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B
A
Well,
we
we
Pete,
we
got
into
it
a
little
bit
in
that
at
after
Henderson's,
not
here.
Yet,
though
I
know
he
replied
to
everybody
that
he
would
be
here.
He
wanted
to
go
to
the
meetings
for
the
marina
we
decided
I
would
go.
We
decided,
that's
not
allowed
I'm
going
and
getting
special
information
ahead
of
time
that
you
guys
are
privy
to
and
and
it's
clearly
in
the
in
the
Sunshine
laws
that
you
talk
about
something
about
it
here
right
and
that's
on.
On
that
point,
it's
it's
eight
o'clock.
C
D
C
First,
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
approval
of
minutes
from
our
last
meeting
meeting
January.
The
8th
I
know
that
the
agenda
said
the
seventh
but
minor
type
of
the
minute
say:
January
8th
any
changes
or
Corrections
or
additions.
It.
C
It's
not
even
in
the
minutes.
Actually,
the
minutes
are
fine,
yeah,
it's
but
I
did
reread
them
and
that's
pretty
much
what
happened
to
it,
I.
Second,
it
all
right.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all
right,
all
in
favor,
of
course,
aye
aye.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Pat
second
item
is:
are
there
any
citizens
to
be
heard
on
items
that
are
not
on
the
agenda?
C
C
C
Please
make
sure
you're
speaking
to
the
microphone.
You
have
three
minutes
to
present
your
your
item
and
and
give
your
name
and
spell
it
please.
If
you
would
for
Patricia.
E
I'm,
a
Clearwater
native
and
pal
Sports
Enthusiast
I'm
here
today
to
make
you
all
aware
of
an
unfulfilled
Marine,
related
Community
need
it's
Marine
related
Community
need
concerns.
The
city
of
Clearwater
and
lacking
safe
designated
Public
Access
launch
sites
for
canoes.
Oc
boats
surf,
skis,
kayaks
and
stand-up
paddle
boards,
my
personal
favorite.
E
E
So
why
do
I
and
other
pal
Sports
enthusiasts
feel
the
needed
urgency
for
a
designated
safe
launch
site
in
Clearwater?
Well,
my
input
as
a
pal
Sports
professional
is,
for
these
six
reasons.
Number
one
launch
directs
residents
and
visitors
where
to
launch
safely
number
two
it
designated
launch
site
will
serve
the
handicap
paddler
safe
access.
E
There
is
none
right
now.
It
enhances
and
complements
parks
and
shorelines
number
four.
It
provides
enjoyable,
Marine,
recreational
opportunities
to
the
community
number
five.
It
prevents
unsafe
launches
where
unseen
obstructions
or
debris
and
dangerous
boat
traffic
may
be
present
number
six.
A
designated
launch
site
will
improve
the
overall
quality
of
life.
It
makes
people
happy
right.
E
Okay,
so
you
may
ask:
where
are
the
suitable
designated
law
sites
well?
Definitely
areas
away
from
boat
and
jet
ski
traffic,
such
as
number
one
Stevenson's
Creek
at
the
shoreline
of
the
Clearwater
shuffleboard
complex?
Let's
install
a
proper
launch,
there
number
two
Overbrook
Park,
it's
also
on
Stevenson's
Creek,
just
off
a
Sunset,
Point
Road,
it
could
be
developed
and
improved
in
both
of
these
locations
are
in
a
proposed
wake
zone
thumbs
up
there,
and
then
we
have
Clearwater
Beach
Recreation
Complex.
E
How
about
improving
a
portion
of
the
existing
City
docks
and
dedicate
a
boat
slip
for
paddle
Sports?
Only
the
city
could
also
improve
and
expand
the
existing
floating
dock
next
to
the
boat
ramp.
Even
better.
Let's
redevelop
the
former
Youth
Center
yep,
that's
that's
old
I
am
walk-in
launch
at
the
rear
of
the
library.
E
So
any
of
these
six
examples
could
be
utilized
and
well
served
to
the
community.
All
are
well
lit,
have
adequate
parking.
They
offer
24
7
access
and,
most
importantly,
limited
boat
traffic
or
near
or
slow
weight
zones.
You're
running
out
of
time.
In
conclusion,
I'm
sincerely
asking
each
Marine
advisor
board
member
to
feel
the
urgency
for
a
clear
plan
that
addresses
this
unfulfilled
Marine
related
Community
need
for
clear
water.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you
before
before
you
step
away.
Do
we
still
maintain
a
boat
ramp
by
the
recreational
center
on
Clearwater,
Beach
I
know,
there's
a
small
thing
there,
and
just
a
little
Dock
and
I
remember.
It
was
always
a
problem
that
people
would
tie
their
boats
up
there
and
wander
off
Yeah
by
taking
away
people
that
come
in.
E
B
If
I
can
comment
it,
it's
still
open
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
I
used
to
use
it
when
I
lived
on
the
beach.
The
biggest
problem
now
is
that
the
city
has
taken
over
a
good
portion
of
the
parking
lot
for
their
equipment.
At
least
the
last
I
knew
and
then,
of
course,
there's
the
rude
people
that
take
up
three
spots
and-
and
nobody
will
do
anything
to
the
police.
B
E
A
D
E
Leads
down
to
the
muck,
the
viaduct
has
a
huge
pole
in
the
center
and
you
have
to
step
around
that's
to
keep
people
from
launching
other
craft
I
know.
But
it's
it's
kind
of
treacherous
because
it's
slow
going
through
there,
there's
always
debris
from
runoff
and
you
know,
and
a
handicapped
person
can't
get
in
there.
C
You
can
we
just
ask
Eric
first.
Is
there
any
comments
on
that?
You
have
on
this
request
and
in
particular
I
know
that
there
was
such
a
facility
planned
at
the
Seminole
ramp
redo
when
that
was
first
started,
that's
on
the
agenda
and
I'll
speak
to
that
oh
yeah.
Shortly!
Okay,
can
you
wait
till
we
get
to
that
point
or
oh
yeah
I'm
here
all.
E
C
C
Okay,
thank
you
very
good,
all
right.
So
at
that
point,
let's
move
on
if
we
can
to
new
business
items
and,
interestingly
enough,
it
looks
like
we're
going
to
have
a
discussion
on
the
Seminole
dot,
so
Eric.
F
What
I
did,
instead
of
covering
this
stuff
under
a
director's
report,
I
wanted
to
break
it
out
into
individual
items
just
so,
it
was
easier
to
see
what
and
we
were
going
to
discuss
in
any
particular
order.
Several
docs
is
is
Germaine
she's,
the
last
speaker,
because
we've
had
some
issues
out
there
and
I
know.
He
mentioned
the
some
discussion
previously
about
the
original
master
plan
for
the
Marina
District
and
the
rebuild
of
the
docks
and
and
the
addition
of
some
docs.
F
So
I'll
start
with
this
location.
This
is
the
property
that
we've
discussed.
That's
in
dispute.
Someone
else
owns
that
c
bottom
who
declare
what
it
does.
They
can't
develop
it
because
they
don't
have
any
Upland
to
develop
it.
So
it's
it's
in
limbo,
so
it
speaks
the
city's
been
in
in
conversations,
but
the
price
point
is
Out
Of
Reach.
F
So
the
next
part
that
was
under
permitting
was
this
floating
structure
off
of
the
pencil
with
a
fish
cleaning
tables
are
to
allow
for
some
side
ties
where
your
weight
first
lip
or
access
or
backs,
and
things
like
that.
F
F
I
did
some
research
on
it
and
while
we
refurbish
the
parking
lot
and
put
a
new
bathroom
in
these
structures
are
oh
and
as
such,
a
significant
spalling
going
on,
and
the
anchors
have
pulled
away
from
the
pier
rendering
that
unsafe
I've
had
a
number
of
complaints
from
the
public
office
in
my
welder
out
there
and
I'll
fix
it
in
five
minutes,
and
things
like
that.
This
is
a
much
more
intensive
project
than
someone
sending
their
own
welder
out
to
fix
our
gangway,
so
the
ambassadors
have
pulled
away
from
the
concrete.
F
F
We
know
that
this
needs
replacing
and
we
know
we
have
issues
with
some
of
the
other
structures.
So
until
we
get
a
report
back
I,
don't
know
what
we're
up
against
I
don't
know.
The
cost
will
be
and
thought
be
best
to
make
a
value
judgment
over
making
sure
the
existing
conditions
were
brought
up
to
spec
and
safe
prior
to
adding
an
amenity.
F
So,
unfortunately,
you
know
that
this
kind
of
falls
back
to
what
the
first
speaker
was
pointing
out
is
that
you
know
kind
of
challenge
here:
we've
had
an
amenity
plan,
the
engineering
it
permitting
it,
but
I've
got
to
cause
that
there's,
there's
I
just
had
to
make
a
safety
call
and
that's
what
so
I'll
be
reporting
back
to
you.
F
I'll
be
meeting
engineering
once
we
get
a
better,
but
it's
significant
I
went
out
and
took
a
bunch
of
pictures
what
they
did
when
they
repaired
these
or
replacing
I
want
to
say
in
the
late
90s
early
2000s.
They
cut
those
concrete
gangways
off.
They
poured
new
concrete
with
with
new
rebar
embedded
and
new
Fasteners
embedded,
and
then
they
put
the
floating
structures
there.
F
So
unfortunately,
you
know,
for
you
know
the
amenity:
it's
got
to
be
paused
until
we
get
this
remedy.
F
Do
you
know
the
age
of
that
I
don't
know,
I
do
not
know
when,
when
those
were
done
originally
significantly
older,
yeah.
F
Older
so
I
think
this.
This
is
going
to
take
a
comprehensive
engineering
solution
to
resolve
this
stuff.
I
mean
our
trades
workers
for
years
have
done,
maintenance
and
things
that
that
they
can
address.
But
you
you
can't
resolve
some
of
the
internal
spalling
going
on
I
mean
the
saltwater
gets
in
there
eventually
and
then
the
rebar
swells
and
the
Fasteners
swelling
have
those
problems.
So
I
went
out
and
took
pictures.
F
I
walked
it
myself
looked
at
it
on
several
occasions
and
there's
no
there's
no
skilled
trade
work
or
solution
that
we
can
employ
at
this
point,
for
this
particular
peer,
so
we'll
have
to
get
the
conditions
assessment
back
and
then
we'll
figure
out
where
to
go
from
there.
So
it's
an
unfortunate
circumstance,
but
it's
something
that
we
had
to
focus
engineering's
efforts
on
this
rather
than
adding
another,
so
that
that's
really
a
summary
of
the
the
seminal
doc
conditions
that
I.
Can
you
know
at
this
point?
C
F
F
Here
I
mean
it's:
it's
the
challenge
with
boat
ramps
and
any
kind
of
long
frames
is
they
get
fouling
on
them?
They
get
slippery
and
things
like
that.
So
you
know
when,
when
you're
launching
a
vessel
off
a
trailer,
it's
one
thing:
when
you're
trying
to
carry
a
kayak
out
and
you
step
on
a
slippery
patch,
it's
another.
F
You
really
don't
other
than
you
know,
Cooper's
value
and
the
existing
boat
ramps.
We
really
don't
have
that
capacity
and
I.
Think
a
lot
of
the
challenge
comes
with
with
land
acquisition.
F
So
Cooper's
value,
as
as
indicated,
it's
a
a
nice
looking
location
at
high
tide
at
low
tide.
It's
200
yards
of
mud
flat
I
mean
I.
I
live
over
there
and
I
know
what
it
it
is.
So
you
got
to
pick
your
conditions
in
tide,
so
I
think
you
know
any
challenge
with
adding
a
new
Marine
access
facility
always
comes
back
to
Upland
property
ownership,
and
things
like
that.
So
it's.
B
So,
on
Stevenson
Creek,
on
the
other,
on
the
side
where
the
city
land,
you
know
they
own
all
the
property
where
the?
What
is
it
the
shuffleboard
and
things
like
that?
A
lot
of
people
in
that
neighborhood
I
know
a
friend
of
mine
and
I.
Don't
know,
possibly
you
guys,
a
friend
of
mine
launched.
He
lives
right
there
on
that
street.
That's
right
there
and
he
launches
in
that
little
area.
That
I
think
there's
a
pump
station
there
or
something
that
that
the
East
end
of
that.
B
What
about
dedicating
some
of
the
parking
there,
at
least
as
a
stop
Gap,
because
there's
a
Sandy
Beach
there
that
you
know
no
facility
really
would
need
to
be
built.
People
are
doing
it,
but
making
it
more
official
at
least
would
one
solution.
That
would
sure
be
something
you
could
do
pretty
quickly.
So
my.
F
A
Sec
but
I
wanted
to
add
to
that
a
little
bit
of
what
we
don't
know
owns
it
I'm
all
for
getting
kayak
launches
anyway,
away
from
actual
boat
launches,
but
almost
anybody
launching
a
boat
is
due
on
the
tides.
You
say
we
can't
have
a
boat
ramp
here,
kayak
ramp
here
because
of
the
tide,
because
it's
a
fact
of
life
and
my
own
when
I
was
fortunate
enough
to
have
a
lift
in
Bel
Air,
there
were
Tides
I,
couldn't
get
my
lift
low
enough
to
get
my
boat
off
of
it
yeah
you.
F
Because
I
barely
addressed
that
because
it
was
brought
up
that
that
value
is
unsafe
and
the
conditions
are
bad
out
there,
yeah
I
don't
want
I
mean
I,
don't
want
to
pursue
another
location
that
has
unsuitable
conditions,
we're
not
talking
about
launching
off
of
sandy
beach
somewhere
like
Bel,
Air
or
Dunedin
Causeway,
for
instance,
we're
talking
about
estuaries
and
tidal
zones
with
mud
and
detritus
and
junk
and
that's
a
nature
area.
You.
A
F
A
F
Mean
is
that
a
danger
I've
got
to
wait
for
the
condition
assessment.
Today,
it's
there,
it's
they're
the
same
age
and
they're,
subject
to
the
same
winds,
waves,
environmental
conditions,
so
there's
a
possibility,
we're
keeping
an
eye
on
it
could
get
worse.
The
crews
are
coming
out
there
to
to
look
at
those
with
regularity
to
make
sure
we
stay
ahead
of
those
it's
just
they're
old
and
and
it's
it's
unfortunately,.
F
Are
all
the
ramps
closed
now,
yeah?
Not
all
of
them,
so
one
Pier
is
closed.
I
I
can
point
to
it
this
this
one.
Oh,
my
big
fat
finger
there
that
one
is
closed
and
yeah
this
one
sorry
to
do
here
that
one's
closed
currently,
and
so
it
limits
access
to
a
lot
of
six
of
them.
Yeah.
F
Of
the
eight
and
it's
problematic
because
that
place
is
so
very
busy
yeah
exceptionally
right,
but
you
know
we
don't
have
a
choice.
I
can't
have
someone
getting,
but
the
whole
thing's
not
going
to
be
closed.
That
was
my
biggest
concern.
No,
that
that's
provided
the
engineer,
so
I'll
come
in
and
say:
oh
my
gosh.
We
got
a
huge
problem.
We
have
to
wait
for
this
condition
this
afternoon
to
really
get
a
better
field.
B
F
G
F
So
those
are
ours.
The
the
small.
D
F
F
F
So
you
know
we
maintain
those.
We
maintain
the
restroom.
We
maintain
the
over
water
facilities.
Here,
it's
a
unique
situation
because,
although
an
Enterprise
fund,
this
I
don't
get
revenue
from
seminal
docs
but
for
any
repair
costs
are
covered
by
the
parking
fees
and
the
parking
department,
so
they
paying
the
revenue
related
to
Seminole
docs.
We
maintain
the
overwater
structures,
the
bathroom
and
ultimately,
if
we
have
a
repair,
we
go
to
parking
fund.
It's
a
it's.
F
C
F
Give
me
some
practice
again.
So
I
wanted
to
speak
to
the
marina
Beach
Marina
I
think
this
is
a
large,
ambitious
project
and
just
give
you
guys,
I
think
you
know
some
of
the
history
out
there
from
previous
presentations,
but
I
wanted
to
kind
of
kind
of
refresh
everyone's
memory
on
the
history
of
that.
So
in
the
50s
the
marina
came
into
existence
out
there.
The
building
was
built
in
early
50s,
a
marine
building
that
we
currently
occupied.
My
offices
and
Tina.
Is
there
one
of
the
restaurants,
salt
cracker?
F
So
ultimately
the
city.
You
know,
for
whatever
reason
at
that
time,
decided
to
kind
of
wait,
kick
the
candle
on
the
road.
If
you
will
and
and
wait
for
another
time
and
a
couple
years
ago,
started
recognizing
the
fact
that
we're
having
barrier
issues,
rotten
filings,
I
brought
a
joists
power
issues
based
on
antiquated
structures
and
not
only
the
the
overwater
structures
themselves,
but
the
utilities
feeding
those
structures
and
the
sea
wall
itself.
F
Some
some
designs
for
that
to
build
in
resiliency
and
I'll.
Give
you
an
example.
The
other
day
we
had
a
real
high
time
had
to
turn
the
power
off
for
all
the
dogs,
just
because
the
sea
level,
so
developing
resiliency
the
the
design
perfect
around
floating
docks
and
as
such,
that's
the
direction
they
were
moving
throughout
this
process
to
build
in
that
resiliency
they've
got
to
raise
the
sea
wall
by
18
to
24
inches
and
the
original
scope
of
the
project
didn't
incorporate
the
seawall.
F
F
Meet
with
Council
and
say
by
the
way
the
money
we've
allocated
for
this
is
insufficient
to
build
this,
and
we
had
a
significant
funding.
Gap
based
on
I,
think
the
initial
thoughts
and
the
initial
estimates
to
build
it
versus
the
reality
we
find
ourselves
in
today
and
the
scope
of
the
project
changed
significantly.
So
the
design
team
met
with
commercial
interests.
F
They
had
conversations
with
a
lot
of
folks
because
our
Marina
history
centers
around
a
working
Waterfront
out
there
I
think
it's
iconic
I,
think
it's
important
and
it
to
me
it's
exceedingly
important
to
maintain
that
component.
So
the
design
team
was
really
tasked
with.
How
do
we
rebuild
an
entire
Marina
and
maintain
our
commercial
fleet's
ability
to
conduct
business
but
I
think
they?
They
really
worked
hard
to
try
and
address
some
of
the
needs
of
the
commercial.
F
Unfortunately,
it's
so
old
that
many
of
the
commercial
tenants
have
over
water
structures,
ice
machines,
storage,
sale,
points
of
sale
at
kiosks
that
are
not
permissible,
so
we're
really
between
Iraq
and
our
place.
How
do
you
rebuild
the
an
entire
Marina
which
is
absolutely
necessary
based
on
its
age
and
condition
and
accommodate
the
needs
of
the
commercial
Fleet,
so
they
they
really
tried
to
thread
the
needle
with
this
one
I
think
it's
a
challenging
task,
because
anything
in
that
flood
plain
is
permissible.
F
The
only
stuff
that's
in
there.
Our
building
is
grandfathered.
It
was
built
in
51.,
so
any
of
the
over
water
structures
are
a
challenge
for
them
to
kind
of
replicate,
so
what
they
did
is
came
up
with
a
plan
that
provides
for
some
Upland
sales
kiosks
and
the
the
vision
as
I'm
understanding
and
have
a
much
better
understanding
of
now
of
the
city.
At
the
time
when
this
this
concept
came
into
play
was
an
extension
of
beach
walk
through
the
area.
So
you
have
this
walking
Promenade.
F
That
brings
people
through
the
marina
as
a
focal
point
and
then,
ultimately,
even
more
ambitiously
is
the
thought
to
connect
it
under
the
pedestrian
bridge
over
to
East
Shore.
When
that
Boardwalk
comes
online,
so
they
were
Forward
Thinking
in
that
respect,
I
think
that
they
they
really
worked
hard
and
since
I
came
on
board,
we've
had
multiple
meetings.
F
F
D
G
F
And
things
of
that
nature,
the
positive
news
is
that
while
we
were
working
through
the
design
options
and
looking
at
the
potential
to
incorporate
a
sea
wall,
because
I
felt
that
that
this
is
disruptive
enough,
now
I
felt
that
that
was
something
we
might
want
to
see.
If
we
could
do
now,
knowing
that
I
have
the
funding
Gap
already
I
think
it
was
a
worthwhile
exercise,
because
I
know
I'm
going
to
have
to
come
back
in
and
be
equally
disruptive
again
to
a
very
sensitive
location.
F
So
a
couple
things
working
simultaneously
but
Thursday
night
city
council
will
vote
on
a
budget
and
capital
Improvement
budget
that
will
that
will
cover
the
cost
of
the
original
concept
plan.
When.
F
Revenues
or
otherwise,
as
a
as
an
additional
plan,
we
came
up
with
to
try
and
bring
me
to
the
sea
wall
now
and
actually
use
timber.
Dock
structures
for
the
entire
commercial,
Fleet
and
I
say
that
that
the
importance
of
that
is
twofold.
Many
of
the
commercial
attendants
prefer
fixed
temper
it.
It
creates
us
some
challenges
with
elevations
and
resiliency,
but
it's
it's
the
the
best
way
to
say
it.
It's
it's
beneficial
to
them
for
loading,
unloading,
offloading
and
and
maneuvering.
Sometimes,
you
know
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
these.
F
F
A
sea
wall
come
back
with
Timber,
docks
and,
and
that
allows
them
to
have
something
that
they're
accustomed
to,
and
it's
that's
more
utilitarian
for
the
commercial
Fleet,
and
then
it
allows
my
Crews
to
fix
it
when
they
get
broken,
because
we've
had
we've
had
a
few
since
I've
been
there
people
you
know,
go
up
over
a
piling
in
a
dock
and
we
can
fix
those
things.
F
Unfortunately,
I
still
have
this
even
with
Council
approving
the
budget
Thursday
night
I
will
still
have
a
significant
budgetary
Gap
that
I
can't
fill.
So
those
are
some
of
the
challenges
I'm
going
to
have
some
meetings
with
council
members
and
have
those
conversations
with
them.
I
have
this
slated
for
for
everyone
for
the
October
3rd
work
session,
I'm
going
to
have
the
design
team
come
in
and
do
a
presentation.
F
Positive
part
of
all.
This
is
that
the
council,
by
way
of
this
budget,
if
approved
on
Thursday,
is
committed
to
this
project
and
committed
significant
resources
to
it
and
and
we're
upwards
of
of
27
28
billion
dollars
for
this
project,
and
that
includes
all
the
Upland
utilities
and
the
overwater
structure.
F
Not
yet
to
see
right,
I,
don't
think
I
can
close
that
budget
yeah,
but
those
were
conversations
I'm
going
to
have
with
Council,
and
that
was
a
very
ambitious
scope.
Change
on
our
part.
Just
to
see
if
we
came
back
in,
did
the
sea
wall
now
and
put
Timber
in?
Would
there
be
a
cost
savings
with
Timber
that
would
offset
a
sea
wall
as
opposed
to
the
floating
concrete?
The
reason
they
had
to
put
floating
concrete
structures
in
parallel
to.
F
So
there's
the
original
concept
plan
of
the
refill
these
this
parallel
floating
structure
was
necessary
because
when
you
put
a
new
Seawall
and
you
have
to
build
a
c
word
of
existing
sea
wall,
if
we-
if,
if
they
had
a
bit
or
put
the
floating
or
put
fix
docks
in
there,
when
I
do
the
sea
wall
I'm
going
to
rip
them
all
out,
and
we
certainly
can't
do
that.
I
mean
that
that
is
an
All-Star
book.
F
So
this
was
a
design
team's
solution
to
we're
going
to
have
to
put
that
c-ball
in
in
the
future.
So
this
is
their
solution
to
that
and
I
think
from
the
commercial
fleet's
perspective.
It
creates
a
separation
from
them
from
their
clients
that
they
don't
have
now
and
I'm
sensitive
to
that,
and
that's
why
we
came
back
in
with
this
sort
of
a
hybrid
approach
that
allowed
us
to
address
the
sea
wall
now
and.
F
I
would
just
ask:
don't
get
hung
up
on
exact
locations,
and
these
are
kind
of
Design
Concepts
at
this
point.
So
this
is
the
model
where
we
went
in
and
the
magenta
is
fixed
stocks
as
opposed
to
the
floating
docks
assuming
we've
tackled
the
sea
wall.
F
Mike
and
I
have
graphic
cones
that
we
have
to
put
in
our
parking
spaces
to
keep
people
from
parking
and,
despite
the
fact
it
says,
no
parking,
Harbor
Master
staff.
So
it's
it's.
The
demand
is
so
high
in
certain
times
of
the
year.
That
creates
huge
problems
for
our
commercial
tenants
and
their
guests
in
the
restaurants.
So
that's
a
another
topic
I'm
going
to
have
a
conversation
with
Council
about,
and
it's
about
the
potential
to
address.
Some
of
these
Upland
storage
needs
and
the
parking
situation
with
conversations
about
a
future
parking
garage.
F
F
You
know
to
see
that
there
are
competing
interests
amongst
a
group
that
we
would
look
at
as
kind
of
a
homogeneous
group.
It's
all
the
commercial
Fleet,
but
they
all
have
different
needs
like
some
of
the
commercial
Fleet
floating
drops
are
wonderful
because
it
it
allows
them
to
load
and
unload
easily
for
the
larger
vessels.
Not
so
much
so
you
know,
I
can't
get
into
the
business
of
Designing
one
off
or
we
would
never
get
this
done
and
the
costs
would
I
can't.
Even
imagine
so.
F
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
give
you
a
little
bit
of
information
as
to
what
we've
done
and
how
much
work
is
going
into
this
and
how
much
thought
I
stabbed
at
night
thinking
about
this
thing,
because
I
realize
we're
not
developing
an
unoccupied
space.
I
have
people
whose
livelihoods
are
there
and
I
have
tenants.
F
Who've
had
their
boats
there
for
decades
and
some
cases
there's
going
to
be
a
point
in
time
where
we
have
to
displace
components
of
that
Marina
and
I
want
to
make
sure
I
can
give
them
ample
Lotus
a
year
to
notice
six
months
and
and
continue
to
push
that
message
out,
because
you
know
we
don't
have
the
capacity
to
relocate
them
to
other
locations.
We
we
have
some
but
down.
Harbor
rate
is
92
occupied,
we're
at
88
at
the
beach
Marina
so
and
that's
situation
is
throughout
the
region
and
I
think
that's
a
challenge.
F
F
We
are
working
with
the
design
team
and
are
going
to
work
with
our
construction
manager
to
try
and
ensure
that
no
one
loses
the
ability
to
do
business
during
the
course
of
this,
and
that
in
and
of
itself
is
a
huge
challenge,
but
that's
been
part
of
our
commitment
from
the
beginning
of
this
I
think
that
you
know
the
it's
funny,
because
a
lot
of
folks
have
become
very
attached
to
their
location.
F
All
the
commercial
agreements
specifically
say
that
there's
no
guarantee
that
you're
in
that
slip,
but
it's
a
sensitive
topic
because
location,
location,
location,
these
things
are
very
important
to
revenue.
Those
are
the
things
we
can't
guarantee
during
the
construction
phase
or
the
rebuild
just
because
of
the
nature
of
it.
I
use
the
trailer
park
analogy:
it's
like
converting
a
trailer
park
to
an
apartment
complex
at
some
point.
F
That
will
also
be
a
challenge,
but
we
are
committed
to
that
because
of
what
it
is
and
because
how
I
feel
about
it.
It's
very
important
to
me
third
and
fourth
generation
here
and
I've,
seen
the
Waterfront
change
over
all
those
years
and
I've
seen
commercial
fleets
throughout
this
area,
get
turned
into
condos
and
high-end
drives
disappear.
So
it's
important
one
last
thing
that
that
so
that
we
anticipate
another
nine
months
or
so
of
design
and
then
not
during
that
time.
F
Nine
months
of
Permitting
you
know
you
know,
probably
an
overlapping
we've
already
started
some
of
the
permitting
process
and
I'd
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
talk
to
the
elephant
in
the
room
here,
I,
don't
know
if
any
of
you
seen
this
or
heard
about
it,
I
think
I've
talked
to
some
folks
about
it.
I
know,
Phil
probably
knows
about
it.
F
So
we've
committed
to
rebuild
this
Marina
within
our
own
footprint
and
with
different
configuration,
but
on
our
city-owned
land
in
1960.
This
blue
thing
was
put
in.
F
That's
a
federal
Channel
folks
and
we
I've
talked
to
several
of
my
predecessors.
I've
talked
to
longtime
politicians
to
try
and
find
the
history
of
this
thing
we
reached
out
to
our
representatives
and
U.S
Congress
Senate
to
ask
for
assistance.
We
got
a
meeting
with
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
as
a
result
of
some
of
that
assistance
and
had
a
conversation
we
currently
are
trying
to
have
that
portion
that
the
burrito
was
built
over
decommissioned.
If
you
will
or
vacated
I'm
hopeful
that
we
can
get
that
done.
F
F
The
city
property
is
deeded
to
us
well
before
the
federal
Channel,
but
then
the
federal
Channel
came
in,
but
certainly
that's
a
critical
component
of
this
project
that,
like
I,
said
I,
think
it's
important
to
know
that
it's
there
and
know
that
we're
we're
working
with
our
lobbyists
and
our
Representatives
in
order
to
try
and
see
what
we
can
do
to
resolve
just
the
footprint.
That's
under
the
marina.
That's
really
and
it's
it's
I
suspect.
F
There's
a
coast
guard
houseboat
on
an
island
Estates
for
years
I
understand
there
may
have
been
a
coast
guard
vessel
where
the
fuel
dock
is
now
I
suspect.
This
was
an
effort
at
some
point
in
time
to
allow
access
to
Clearwater
pass
more
expeditiously
than
running
all
the
way
out
to
the
intercoastal
around
the
island
and
back
and
again,
it's
merely
speculative,
it's
a
strange
thing
and
they
can't
get
in
there
to
dredge.
So
so
we.
F
Really
I
suspect
it
was
specifically
for
the
Coast
Guard
vessel,
which
is
no
longer
that
that
move
in
the
80s.
But
this
thing
came
into
existence
in
1960
and,
like
you
said,
I
I
kind
of
a
history,
buff
and
I've
read
everything
I've
gone
to
the
Coast,
Guard
I
can't
figure
it
out,
and
the
court
when
we
met
with
them,
didn't
have
at
that
time.
I
mean
they
hadn't
had
the
opportunity
to
do.
A
lot
of
research
was
unsure
of
the
history,
but
this
will
be
contingent.
F
The
permitting
will
be
contingent
upon
us
getting
this
portion
that
they
call
a
turning
Basin
and
you
can
kind
of
see
why
vacated
so,
but
it
will
take
congressional
action
to
do
so
presented
my
staff,
my
permitting
folks,
our
design
team
with
challenges
at
every
time.
I've.
B
Got
a
couple
comments.
Number
one
is
a
taxpayer.
The
thing
that
comes
up
in
my
mind
is
how
many
times
city
of
Clearwater
has
rebuilt
that
roundabout
down
down
on
the
beach
I
mean
it
just
was
crazy,
the
number
of
times
they've
and
every
time
that
all
of
us
people
that
live
down
the
beach
would
say
why
didn't
they
think
through
this
better?
The
first
time,
instead
of
first
they
put
up
fountains
and
The
Fountains
blew
water
on
the
cars
and
it's
like
you
know
it
doesn't
take
a
rocket
scientist
to
think
through
this
stuff.
B
B
The
second
thing
do
you
know
what
the
cost
of
this
water
Frontage
project
right
here,
the
the
cost
of
the
yeah
yeah,
what
what
84
million
84
million
okay
so.
B
B
It
just
seems
to
me
and
other
people
that
some
of
this
is
wasted
money
and,
at
the
same
time,
we're
talking
the
Beach
Marina,
which
is
critical
and
is
used
every
day
by
hundreds
of
people
and
tons
of
of
businesses
and
the
budget
isn't
even
a
fraction
of
that,
and
it's
being
you
know,
I
mean
it
sounds
like
you're
having
a
hard
time
getting
the
budget.
So
here
we've
we
need
a
sea
wall
redone
and
we
might
have
to
put
that
off
because
of
budgetary
things.
B
It
just
seems
to
me
that
that
the
money
ought
to
be
there
for
getting
this
Arena
rebuilt
right,
the
first
time,
the
first
time
through
well,
it's
way
more
important
than
this
water
Frontage
thing
in
my
mind
and
on
other
people's
minds.
Also
so
you
know
I,
don't
know
if
the
city
council
talks
about
that,
because
I
haven't
been
to
the
meetings,
but
you
know
the
the
criticality
of
that
Marina
down
at
the
beach
is
it's
undisputable
this
here
I
would
argue,
isn't
as
important,
yet
it's
gotten
way
more
budget.
F
F
Is
pretty
clear
to
this
Marina
with
a
a
an
adjustment
Factor
like
that
I
think
that's!
A
significant
commitment.
I
will
tell
you
this
I'm
an
Enterprise
fund,
so
portion
of
the
the
the
project
comes
from
our
revenues
that
we
generate
fuel
sales,
the
parentals
Etc.
The
expectation
has
always
been
that
Enterprise
funds
cover
our
operating
costs.
They
are
leveraging
pay
for
Pinellas
money,
but
they
don't
because
this
is
a
lack
of
a
better
term.
Smaller
User
Group,
the
Marine
attendance
and
they're,
paying
fees
for
slips
and
Fuel,
and
that.
F
So
I
think
that's
the
distinction
that
has
to
be
drawn
between
a
park
that
anyone
can
go
to
in
a
marina
that's
effectively
after
hours
private,
because
you
can't
go
out
on
the
docks
at
night,
because
those
are
for
the
tenants,
so
I
think
that's
a
distinction
that
has
to
be
made
and
that's
why
it's
a
different
funding
source
and
it's
a
different
approach
to
a
public
park.
A
public
venue
versus
a
marina
that
that
really
is
is
accessible
by
the
tenants
for
the
most
part.
B
C
F
Particularly
if
we
go
back
into
the
parallel
uploading,
you
know
concrete
because
they
have
to
have
a
point
of
sale
and
access
point.
That's
clear
right
and
the
whole
purpose
of
the
parking
garage
I
can't
build
anything.
But
you
know
at
ground
level,
temporary
storage
things
like
that.
If,
if
we
have
a
conversation
about
a
parking
as
a
future
project,
dovetail
with
this
and
design
kind
of
understanding,
some
of
our
needs
could
that
meet
some
of
the
needs
of
the
commercial
tenants
later
to
number
one
allow
for
additional
parking
and
potentially
storage
ice
machines.
F
So
it's
a
challenge,
but
the
kiosk
I
think
were
a
critical
component
of
that
because
now,
if
you're,
if
you're
removed
by
a
couple
feet
from
the
sea
wall,
I
can't
do
my
transactions
over
to
see
one
so
I'm,
I'm,
absolutely
understanding
and
sympathetic
to
that
situation.
I
think
the
kiosks
are
critical.
The
problem
is
they
come
with
a
cost
and
that's.
D
F
F
G
On
recognizing
what
the
commercial
dentists
have
asked
for
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
I
haven't
really
heard
a
lot
in
the
last
couple
months
about
what
was
really
going
on.
I
was
out
of
town
for
quite
a
bit,
but
that's
that's
great
news
that
you've
stepped
back
and
really
are
looking
at
their
their
actual
needs
and
requirements.
G
D
F
The
seawall
replacement
now
was
the
only
thing
that
allowed
me
to
put
wood
structure
in
there
right
so
so
that
model
is
contingent
upon
replacing
the
seawall
now
coming
back
in
with
fixed
docks
for
the
commercial
plate,
because,
as
as
I
said,
and
as
you
know,
I
can't
put
it
in
tear
it
out
and
then
put
a
sea
wall
in.
So
that's
why
the
design
team
came
up
with
that
parallel
floating
is
to
allow
for
a
future
Seawall.
F
Just
adds
significantly
to
the
I
was
hoping
I'd
get
a
trade-off
that
the
sea
wall
expense
would
be
higher,
because
we
have
about
a
million
to
repair
it
versus
four
million
to
replace
it.
I
was
hoping
the
they
would
be
offset
by
A
reduced
cost
for
Timber,
but
that
didn't
do
it.
No
because
I
mean
Mike
bought
some
pilings
the
other
day
and
they
were
undoubtedly
expensive.
So
we
know
the
Timbers.
G
Is
it?
Is
it
possible
to
do
the
sea
wall
replace
the
wood
ducks
along
the
sea
wall?
Leave
the
private
docks
in
place
in
the
new,
because
you,
if
you
did
the
wood
docks
around
there,
you'd
do
floating
out
so
rather
than
changing
that
right
now
you
just
do
the
perimeter
of
Seawall
and
then
you
come
back
and
you
sit
there
and
you
see
well
later,
you
come
back
in
and
do
those
floaters
a
little
bit.
F
F
A
F
Know
I
mean
I'm,
not
a
permitting
guy,
but
I
I,
don't
see
anybody
would
be
an
obstacle
to
permitting
something
based
on
its
age.
I
think
it's
I
think
it
was
a
financial
decision,
quite
frankly
I
think
years
ago,
when
this
this
was
conceptualized,
they
were
given
a
number,
and
that
was
you
know:
18
million
bucks,
20
million
bucks
stay
within
this
number
and
a
c-ball
one
part
of
it
takes
a
guy
like
me
to
come
in
and
say
well,
let's
put
it
in
there
and
then
I
blow
the
cost
through
the
roof.
F
By
changing
the
scope,
you
present
some
challenges,
but
I
felt
it
was
a
necessary
exercise
and
my
staff
and
I
talked
about
it
to
try
and
tackle
that
now,
instead
of
within
the
next
10
years
and
come
back
and
give
the
commercial
Fleet
a
fixed
wooden
dock
and
my
cruise
a
fixed
wooden
dock
that
they
can
work
on
when
it
gets
broken,
it
was
more
ambitious
and
my
budget
allowed
for
and
again
you
know
back
to
the
budget.
The
council
really
I
mean
in
finance
step
up
to
the
plate
to
pump.
F
Won't
know
what
it'll
look
like
later
right.
So
that's
a
future
project.
You
can,
you
can
estimate
I,
suspect
it'll
be
more
than
four
million
dollars.
If
you
do
it
in
you
know,
eight
years
absolutely
now,
if,
if
I
have
new
Marina
I
charge
market
rate,
which
we're
always
well
under
market
rate,
if
I
charge
market
rate
and
look
at
do
I
then
have
the
capital
necessary
to
come
back
in
eight
years
and
do
it
special
there.
F
Just
we
all
I
can't
projects
like
this.
The
problem
is,
and
I
have
to
keep
referring
back
to
the
fact
that
I
have
tenants
there.
I
can't
keep
changing
scope
and
I
can't
keep
changing
it.
We've
gone
through
those
exercises
and
Designs
because
the
more
I
pump
the
brakes
and
double
clutch.
This
thing,
the
more
uncertainty
I
build
into
my
commercial
tenants
and
my
recreational
tennis
there's
no
place
to
go,
and
that's
the
that's
the
thanks
that.
B
I
have
right
now,
but
my
point
is:
there's
intangible
costs
of
doing
it
at
two
different
times,
not
just
the
cost,
but
the
disruption
and
all
those
things
that
you
know
it's
always
better
to
do
something
once
get
it
done
and
be
done
with
it
and
yeah
yeah.
Those
are
my
my
mind.
It's
silly
to
do
it
any
other.
F
Way,
yeah.
Those
are
my
thoughts,
it's
just
you
know,
unfortunately,
and
I
think
it
was
purely
a
financial
decision.
It
wasn't
part
of
the
scope
and,
and
the
Seawall
assessment
gave
them
a
10-year
window,
so
I
think
they
felt
that
if
we
build
it
this
way
we
can
come
in
and
do
Seawall
at
a
later
point
in
time
and
and
I,
don't
know
you
know,
listen,
I'm,
not
an
economist
I,
don't
know
what
the
inflationary
pressures
are
going
to
be
in
five
years.
F
B
There's
another
thing
too,
that
if
you
leave
a
sea
wall,
go
too
long
and
a
big
storm
comes
I
saw
this
in
Waterfront
Community
around
here
I,
don't
remember
where
it
was
I,
think
of
an
Indian
Rocks
and
somebody
had
not
repaired
their
sea
wall
and
a
big
storm
came
and
it
literally
washed
out
half
the
property.
So
when
you
leave
a
sea
wall
too
long
and
a
big
storm
comes
and
back
it,
you
know
washes
out
from
underneath
it.
B
F
I
think
that's
why
we
kind
of
endeavor
to
this
exercise
to
look
at
what
this
would
do
to
the
change
in
scope.
I
mean
we
have
larger
vessels
backed
into
slips
there
that
even
the
prop
wash
undermines
some
of
the
portions
of
the
seawall.
We
have
to
address
that
occasionally.
So
it's
a
concern,
I
will
say
the
advantage
we
have
at
that
location
as
opposed
to
Harbor,
Arena
and
other
locations.
Is
that
it's
it's
really
in
a
protected,
Basin
and
and
we're
fortunate
because
of
that.
B
B
F
Yes,
I
mean
that's,
why
you
know,
and
you
know
I
know
the
design
and
engineering
team
every
time.
I
have
a
you
know,
a
meeting
with
them
they're
like
what's
he
going
to
come
up
with
next
and
what
exercise?
But
these
are
why
we
did
this
is,
is
you
know
we
looked
at
these
things
and
we
we
wanted
to
contemplate
what
it
would
look
like
if
we,
if
we
did
it
now
and
it
just
it
it
like
I
said
it
creates
some
Financial
constraints
that
we'll
talk
over.
A
Irma
alone,
just
in
the
past
month
or
so
St
Joe's
just
finally
reopened
their
Marina
that
was
just
devastated
by
Irma
and
I.
Think
Panama,
City
Beach
just
so
this
summer,
there's
two
completely
rebuilt
marinas
on
the
Gulf
that
maybe
we
can
learn
something
from,
but
theirs
was
that
catastrophic
event.
Not
this
time
worn
like
we
know
we
got
to
replace
it,
so
they
didn't
have
the
options
we
have
of
saying.
Let's
try
this
or
this,
because
if
you
saw
the
early
Devastation
there
it
pretty
much
those
marinas.
F
We're
moving
forward
with
the
replacement
of
those
wave,
attenuators
and
I
just
found
out
this
week
that
the
state
and
we
had
asked
for
1.2
million
representative
desigley,
asked
for
that
for
the
help
of
the
wave
attenuators
to
protect
that
Harbor.
They
came
back
this
week
with
500
000,
so
great
news
for
us
in
that
you
know
the
significantly
expensive
to
fix
those
things.
F
So
that
was
a
bit
of
good
news
on
a
project
that
the
city
had
to
use
General
ton
of
money
and
reserves,
because
it
was
beyond
what
we
had
in
our
Reserves.
So
it
you
know,
that's
a
bit
of
good
news
on
a
but
storm
damage
is,
is
significant
and
it
does
those
things
so
I'm.
G
F
So
I'm
gonna
have
a
conversation
with
Council
we're
going
to
present
to
them
on
October
3rd.
At
the
work
session,
the
design
team
is
going
to
present
to
them
and
based
on
what
they
budgeted.
What
we've
been
able
to
push
in
there
I
have
no
choice
but
to
recommend
the
floating
dock
structure
because
it
just
it
blew
the
budget
we
already
increased.
The
budget
and
Council
was
receptive
to
that.
I
met
with
them
previously
and
explained
the
shortfall
and
they
pushed
eight
million
dollars
additional
into
this
project.
F
I'd
be
hard-pressed
to
come
back
to
them
and
say,
oh
by
the
way,
that's
not
enough,
so
it
creates
this
predicament
that
they've
really
stepped
up
and
recognized
it.
The
original
amount
was
insufficient
and
we
pushed
another
8
million
into
the
project,
but
for
the
scope,
changes
and
trying
to
accommodate
a
lot
of
needs.
F
You
know
I
think
the
the
seawall
replacement,
in
my
view,
was
to
try
and
address
several
things,
primarily
the
sea
wall,
but
then
come
back
in
and
give
the
commercial
Fleet
that
fixed
stock
option
that
they
preferred
and
give
my
people
the
ability
to
fix
it.
I
just
don't
get
there.
I
can't
close
this
budgetary
Gap,
not
on
the
heels
of
them,
increasing
by
8
million
already,
and
we
haven't
even
engaged
with
the
contractor.
So
I
don't
know
hard
numbers.
These
are
engineering
estimates,
though
it's
it's
been
a
challenging
exercise.
F
Phil
I
mean
I've
really
tried,
and
the
design
team
has
tried
to
accommodate
every
need
possible
and
contemplate
every
contingency
possible.
In
this
thing,
it's
not
through
lack
of
effort,
but
I
think
we
ultimately
have
to
identify
that.
This
is
our
budget,
and
this
is
what
we
have
to
work
within:
there's
always
value
engineering
options
with
any
build
that
come
into
play,
but
you
know
I'm
going
to
have
these
conversations.
I'm
going
to
you
know,
meet
with
city
manager.
G
D
G
G
F
Children
I'm
not
going
to
argue
that
point
I
think
by
this
exercise.
You
know
that
that
what
my
view
is
I
the
parking
garage
thing
has
come
up
previously
and
I.
Remember:
I
think
it
was
2015
2016.
There
were
actually
renderings
related
to
a
parking
garage
on
that
facility
and
I.
Remember
from
the
county
I've
been
here
31
years
so
I
remember
some
of
the
Council
debate
and
some
of
the
conversations
on
you
know
blocking
views
and
Heights
and
and
things
like
that,
we're
at
a
different
time
now
the
demand
is,
is
significantly
higher.
F
Now
it
may
be
a
different
conversation,
but
but
I
feel
an
obligation
to
approach
that
topic
with
them,
that
that
was
never
part
of
the
scope
of
this
project
and,
like
I,
said,
if
I
keep
adding
scope
and
changing
things,
we'll
never
get
this
done
and
I
do
have
a
marine
who's
50
years
old
yeah,
but.
B
F
Going
to
have
those
conversations
on
the
council
and
we're
going
to
present,
you
probably
not
chapter
third,
so
that's
the
opportunity,
so
you
know
that'll
be
the
opportunity
for
them
to
to
see
the
exercises.
This
team
has
gone
through
to
try
and
get
this
right,
and-
and
you
know
this
isn't
just
some
some
draftsman
drawn
some
pictures-
I
mean
there's
something.
A
lot
of
person
thought
that
that
goes
into
these
and.
D
F
I
want
to
caution
everybody
that,
regardless
of
what
we
do,
you
can't
meet
everyone's
needs.
It
you're.
You
are
going
to
have
situations
where
you
have
to
make
value
judgments.
You
have
to
work
within
budgets
that
don't
check
all
the
boxes.
That's
just
the
reality
of
of
doing
these
types
of
things.
If
money
grew
on
trees,
it
it,
we
don't
have
the
money.
A
F
Saying
in
a
fantasy
world,
we
can
do
that.
I
appreciate
that
and-
and
you
know,
I'm
sensitive
to
all
those
things
and
my
staff
is
sensitive
to
follow
those
things
the
design
team
is
and
we
you
know,
I've
really
that's
what
I've
wrestled
with
most
is
the
displacement
of
our
tenants,
because
we're
not
talking
about
a
vacant
property,
we're
developing
we're
talking
about
an
occupied
property
and
it's
complicated,
a
nearly
fully
occupied
property
property.
Well,.
F
Would
it
would
my
thought
processes
and
talking
with
the
city
manager
and
parking
and
and
Engineering?
Is
you
know
that
conversation
would
have
to
be
a
related
but
subsequent
design
build
because
it
could
check
some
of
those
boxes
of
Upland
storage
utilities
are
a
problem.
We've
got
to
put
the
electrical
utilities
like
14
feet
up
in
the
air
somewhere
and
so
there's
some
things
that
that
it
would
help
with,
but
I
just
don't
know.
You
know
the
desire
of
form
a
garage
at
that
location
at
this
time.
F
C
Like
that,
literally
okay,
should
we
move
on
to
your
other
next
topic:
Marina
rules
and
agreements.
F
Yeah
so
I
I
mentioned
this
before
we
had
some
like
ordinances,
have
been
antiquated
and
we
have
some
inconsistencies
with
with
between
some
of
our
rules
and
I'll.
Give
you
a
good
example.
Ordinance
allows
for
a
permit
for
a
recreational
slip.
So
we
get
your
information,
we
get.
You
know
registration
information,
we
have
specific
requirements,
we
refer
to
the
rules,
We
Lay
it
all
out
and
and
I'll
use
this
example,
because
it
kind
of
shows
you
where
I'm
going
these
so
ordinance
allows
for
a
permit
for
a
recreational
slip.
F
No
permit
is
required
for
a
transient
subtle.
Well,
transient
can
come
stay.
They
can
you
know
kind
of
circumnavigate
Florida
and
come
stay
for
a
couple
months,
well,
they're
not
bound
by
the
same
permit
effectively
and
that's
kind
of
a
flaw
in
the
ordinance
and
the
flaw
of
them.
So
all
they
have
to
do
is
register.
So
those
are
some
of
the
things
we're
trying
to
clean
up
as
I'm
trying
to
to
craft
registration.
That.
F
Puts
them
on
notice
in
terms
of
what
our
rules
are,
what
restrictions
we
have,
what
their
obligations
are.
So
it's
just
it's
housekeeping
stuff
that
we're
trying
and
staff
and
I
are
meeting
after
this
meeting
to
have
another
conversation
about
it
and
crafting
some
of
these
things
and
changing
some
verbiage
in
the
ordinance.
It's
really
old.
A
lot
of
the
ordinances
are
quite
old,
so
there's
a
few
things
I'm
working
with
legal
on,
so
we're
going
to
probably
have
some
ordinance
changes
that
we
move
forward.
Some
changes
to
the
permits,
changes
to
the
rules.
F
F
F
I
ended
up
sending
certified
letters
to
folks.
We
need
this
stuff,
so
we're
changing
our
agreements
going
forward
to
require
them
to
make
us
an
interesting
part
of
our
insurance,
so
every
time
it
lapses
or
renews
we
get
coffee
now
we're
not
chasing
300
folks
around
and
some
of
them
get
really
frustrated
with
us.
F
Why
are
you
bothering
me,
but
the
onus
is
on
you
and
it
says
your
permit
can
turn
immediately
if
you're
not
in
the
blinds
and
we
had
a
bone,
we
had
to
put
sink
in
one
of
the
slips
and
my
Crews
came
out
there
we
dewatered
it.
We
got
some
additional
support,
we're
climbing
in
this
thing
and
we
just
keep
it
from
going
under
the
the
that
client's
Insurance
slapped
the
next
day,
they've
been
48
hours
later
I
ended
up
with
a
ten
thousand
dollar
bill.
F
So
that's
why
it's
critically
important
for
the
insurance
to
be
current
and
for
us
to
have
a
current
copy,
and
that's
that
is
not
hyperbole.
The
next
day
the
policy
expires,
fired
and
Cito
came
turbo,
U.S
and
came
and
address
a
lot
of
these
things.
So
it's
it's
a
it's!
A
challenge
and
again
another
rule
that
we
are
consistently
battling
and
I
wanted
to
mention
that
it
came
up
about
some
of
the
docs
city
of
Clearwater,
does
not
allow
commercial
operations
from
Marina
or
Marines
unless
it's
a
specified
area.
F
F
F
So
a
lot
of
people
have
an
end
around
and
they're
trying
to
lie.
I
had
one
the
other
day.
That
said
well,
we
look
at
the
insurance
and
it
says
Charter
vessel.
Well,
we
don't
run
Charters
out
of
your
Marina.
We
pick
them
up
at
seminal
docks
I
said.
Well,
that's
our
facility
too.
Can't
do
that
either,
but
you
can
see
we're
policing.
F
This
thing
is
a
the
pain,
so
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
going
with
that
we're
we're
getting
there
legal
and
I've
been
back
and
forth,
and
my
staff
back
and
forth
many
times
on
drafts
and
then
get
there
here,
probably
by
the
next
meeting.
I'll
have
something.
F
This
this
has
been
a
so
I
got
here.
Well,
when
I
was
at
the
police
department,
we
had
conversations
about
it,
Stevenson's,
Creek
and
Wakefield,
and
we
had.
F
It
so
it
came
to
me
initially
over
at
the
PD,
and
we
looked
at
it
and
talked
to
a
variety
of
folks,
and
there
was
a
belief
that
we
we
could
just
establish
an
ordinance
and
put
some
buoys
in
or
or
markers
in,
and
and
make
it
a
wake
sound
much
more
complicated
than
that,
and
we
we
had
another
wake
zone
that
we
were
proposing
out
on.
The
beach
happens
is
the
state
of
Florida.
F
You
have
to
draft
an
ordinance,
send
it
to
FWC,
they
review
it.
They
are
proven
after
you've
already
approved
an
ordinance
in
front
of
household,
then
you
can
move
forward
to
the
permitting
process
which
involves
FTP
and
and
County
waterways
and
Court
of
Engineers
and
all
those
folks.
So
it
I
learned
very
quickly
upon
assuming
this
role
that
this
this
isn't
easy.
F
So
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
surveying
looking
at
the
verbiage
in
the
statute
and
what
would
be
permissible.
We
had
several
room
meetings
with
FWC
in
Tallahassee
and
came
to
the
conclusion
that
I
cannot
do
one
out
in
the
area
of
Clearwater
Yacht
Club,
simply
because
it's
a
private
facility,
it
has
to
be
a
public
Arena.
F
The
the
irony
about
that
is
public
private.
The
damaged
by
wake
since
feeding
vessels
is
the
same
whether
you're
public
or
private,
but
they
strictly
interpret
the
statute
and
that's
what
it
says
must
be
a
public
marina.
So
we
couldn't
do
one
out
there.
This
I
had
some
options
because
the
bridge
clearances
the
the
Bridge
widths,
allow
me
to
regulate
within
300
feet
of
low
and
narrow
Bridges,
all
those
qualify,
Fort
Harrison,
the
patellas
trail
Douglas
and
even
Betty
Lane
between
Douglas
and
Betty.
F
The
Waterway
is
narrower
than
75
feet,
so
it
allows
us
to
regulate
that
area,
all
that
and
we
actually
got
a
response.
A
couple
weeks
ago
from
FWC
I
think
week,
four
last
FWC
gave
me
they
gave
our
ordinance
once
over
the
legal
drafted
with
our
input
on
these
things
and
they
tentatively
approve
the
language.
So
my
next
step
will
be
getting
a
final
draft
for
the
ordinance
done.
Legal
and
I
will
come
up
to
council
with
the
approval
of
council.
Then.
D
A
For
members
that
may
not
know
is
that
Clearwater,
as
a
municipality
has
more
restricted
zones
than
any
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong
any
municipality
in
the
State
of
Florida,
would
we
they
look
at
us
as
kind
of
we've
reached
our
limit
and
that's
why
it's
a
shame
about
the
the
yacht
club
one,
because
that's
easy
to
see
that
people
can
go
high
speeds
over
there,
but
the
Stevenson
Creek
someone's
going
to
die
out
there
by
the
descriptions
of
the
way
some
people
drive
through
there.
But.
F
A
More
on
that
that
to
maintain
all
those
zones
is
expensive
and
adding
more
when
we're
already
way
above
anybody
else,
and
on
top
of
it,
charging
lower
rates
than
anybody
else.
That
was
the
original
when
we
first
started
this,
when
the
gentleman
who
came
and
proposed
this
to
us
first
came:
look
that
that
came
up
and
I
think
that's
important,
that
we
got
a
lot
of
these
zones
not
to
poo
poo
this,
because
the
speed
of
the
creek,
especially
one
I,
think,
is
important.
B
Yeah
there's
blind
Corners
there,
so
I
live
right
by
the
bike
bridge
and
you
can't
see
the
other
side
and
if
somebody's
going
through
there
at
25
miles
per
hour,
it's
just
a
matter
of
time,
so
Eric
real,
quick,
so
the
spot
that
that
you
know
we've
discussed
launching
The
Kayaks.
If
you
look
there
where
between
the
first
bridge
and
the
second
bridge
got
right
there,
yeah
I
mean
it's
just
a
it's
a
beach,
you
could.
B
You
can
launch
a
water
cup
kayak
paddleboard
anytime
there
so
would
making
that
an
official
launch
affect
the
ability
to
restrict
that
further.
There
I'm
just
bringing
it
up
now,
because
you're
you're
undone
with
this,
so
so
you
can
kill
two
birds
with
one
stone
kind
of
thing
is
what
the
question
is.
F
F
B
F
F
Any
other
questions
on
that
I'll.
Keep
you
updated,
it's
it's
a
linky
process,
the
permitting
process
and
locations
of
the
actual
Market.
We
can't
put
piles
in
there
because
we
can't
get
our
part
the
best
one
in
there
to
sink
pile,
so
it'll
be
floating
buoys.
I
mean
we
don't
have
an
option.
I
can't
get
anything
in
there.
Yeah.
B
But
once
once
these
are
put
in
there
and
floating
buoys,
that's
fine,
but
once
they're
in
there
what
about
enforcement
intentions?
I!
Don't
do
that.
F
Now
I
understand
so
so
you
know,
I
I
think
you
know,
Petey's
boat
can't
get
in
there.
Even
our
old
boat
couldn't
have
gotten
in
there.
So
it
presents
some
enforcement
challenges.
You
know
if
we,
if
we
were
to
have
a
consistent
issue,
that
we
could
identify
every
Sunday
at
noon.
F
Pd
can
certainly
act
on
those,
but
you
know,
and
to
arbitrarily
try
and
pick
a
time
to
enforce,
I,
don't
think
the
the
activity
would
make
that
a
crucial
item
I
just
think
you
would
waste
a
lot
of
officers
time
trying
to
monitor
that
for
what
happens
occasionally,
although
you
know
it
has
the
potential
to
create
an
accident
or
a
problem,
the
frequency
is
not
to
the
degree
that
I
think
they
could
make
enforcement
stop.
This.
F
C
E
I
want
to
thank
director
Andy
here,
Todd
Hinkle.
C
E
Okay,
I
just
want
to
thank
director
again
here
for
his
time,
and
it
was.
It
was
very
good
to
hear
all
that
information.
I
I
am
somewhat
familiar
with
what
was
going
on,
particularly
the
marina
and
I
I
agree
with
Steve
and
everyone
else.
You
have
to
do
it
right
the
first
time,
because
these
floating
docks
are
just
a
huge
waste
of
money.
I
see
I'm
I'm
going
to
try
to
pray
a
little
bit
of
input
to
the
city
council.
E
C
F
B
And
they
at
first
they
didn't
realize
how
they
got
my
email
I
think
they
got
it
through
a
neighbor
of
mine
that
likes
to
share
my
email,
also
and
so
I
requested
they
stop
and
they
came
back
and
said
no
you're
on
the
board.
So
I'm
going
to
continue
to
copy
you
I've,
since
you
know
just
put
it
put
that
person's
email
into
spam,
but
I
still
have
to
go
in
and
delete
them
and
I
find
it
extremely
annoying.
And
my
my
opinion
is
what
you
said
earlier
before
we
started.
B
The
meeting
is
that
if
there's
somebody
that
has
business
for
this
committee,
they
need
to
come
here
because
I've
never
seen
this
person
in
the
few
meetings
I've
been
to
come
here
and
and
present
this
information.
If
they
feel
that
important
that
we
need
to
hear
something
or
see
something
or
be
made
aware
of
information,
they
need
to
come
here
present
it
to
the
to
all
of
us
at
the
same
time.
So
we
can
discuss
it
and
say
whether
it's
okay.
A
A
B
Here
so
so
my
point
is:
is
that
I
I
don't
feel
I
should
be
getting
all
these
emails?
A
lot
of
them
are
subject
matter
that
doesn't
involve
us
here
at
all
anyway,
and
I.
Don't
feel
that
that
I
should
be
peppered
with
I
get
hundreds
of
emails
every
week
that
I
have
to
sort
through
as
it
is
and
yeah
we
all
do.
Yeah
I,
don't
want
more
of
them.
B
C
B
It
and
ignore
it
officially
ask
them
to
stop.
Perhaps
they'll
they'll
understand
the
standpoint
of
if
it's
important
come
into
this
meeting
present
it
to
us
provide
all
of
us
the
information
that
way
we
don't
know
if
we're
not
getting
it
from
I,
think
you're,
the
one
that
mentioned
one
day
one
meeting
ago,
that
you
know
you
don't
even
know
who
who,
if
this
really
is
coming
from
this
person,
you
could
open
a
virus
yeah.
D
C
A
C
A
C
C
Right
yeah,
we
need
more
people
like
you,
anyone
else,
Kevin
any
other
comments.
Yeah
wait,
orig.