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A
Today's
meeting
of
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
is
called
to
order
on
september
13
2022
welcome
everyone
agenda
for
today's
meeting
is
on
the
wall
at
the
entrance
to
chambers,
and
please
remember
to
turn
off
your
cell
phones
to
ensure
a
complete
record
of
the
board's
action.
We
ask
that
each
individual
wishing
to
speak
clearly
state
your
name
and
spell
your
last
name
for
the
clerk.
We
ask
that
you
limit
your
comments
to
three
minutes.
A
A
I
Thank
you
good
morning.
Everyone,
it's
good
to
see
most
of
you.
I
think
I've
met
before
during
this
process.
I
think
this
is
the
sixth
time
that
we've
formed
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
for
for
the
local
housing
incentive
strategies
update
for
the
ship
program,
so
welcome-
and
we
appreciate
you
being
here
today,
I'm
going
to
go
into
a
brief
overview
of
why
we're
here.
You
may
remember
from
last
year's
last
year's
local
housing
incentive
strategies
update.
I
I
Yep
there
we
go.
Thank
you,
okay,
all
right.
So
in
2008,
the
city
established
the
first
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
and
the
first
local
housing
incentives
strategy
report,
and
then
that
happened
again
three
years
later
in
2014
and
then
again
three
years
after
that
in
2017.
I
in
2020,
it
became
an
annual
requirement
to
do
this
process
so
before
it
was
every
three
years
now
it's
annually.
So
that's
why
we're
seeing
you
again
so
soon.
So
last
year
you
updated
the
report.
I
have
provided
on
the
2020
2021
report
on
everybody's
desk
this
morning.
So
if
you
want
to
refer
back
to
that,
while
I'm
talking,
please
feel
free
to
do
that.
But
most
importantly,
that'll
be
part
of
your
homework
between
this
meeting
and
the
next
meeting.
I
So
the
duties
of
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
are
to
review
the
local
housing
incentive
strategies,
report
and
local
government
policies.
So
this
includes
policies
and
procedures,
ordinances,
land
development
regulations
and
a
comprehensive
plan,
and
then
once
you
review
those
the
next
duty
is
to
recommend
actions
or
initiatives
to
city
council.
So
you
can
either
continue
the
existing
policies
or
recommendations,
or
you
can
add
new
ones
or
remove
ones
if
things
have
been
completed
so
just
know
that
this
is
an
opportunity
to
review
the
report
and
make
any
changes
at
this
time.
I
So
in
terms
of
meeting
requirements,
we
have
to
hold
these
meetings,
there's
two
meetings
with
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
as
really
discussion
or
workshop
meetings,
and
then
there's
a
public
hearing
for
adoption
of
the
local
housing
incentive
strategies.
All
meetings
are
public
meetings.
All
records
are
public
records
for
for
this
committee,
and
then
the
staff
of
the
city
of
clearwater
provides
the
administrative
and
facility
support
for
these
meetings.
I
So
this
year's
schedule
is,
in
august,
2022
staff
met
and
identified,
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
members
to
invite
september
1st
the
governing
board,
which
is
the
city
council,
appointed
members
to
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee.
So
that's
why
you
all
are
here
today
we
are
meeting
september
through
october,
so
today's
meeting
is
the
first.
The
next
meeting
will
be
in
october,
it'll
be
october
11th
after
that,
we'll
hold
a
public
hearing,
so
you
see
november
8th
up
there.
I
J
I
Okay,
I'm
seeing
nods
okay,
all
right,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
do
that.
So
just
make
a
note
on
your
on
your
on
your
handout
there
that
that
meeting
is
changed
to
no
november
7th
and
you'll
receive
an
invite,
invites
an
additional
notification
of
that
we're
shooting
to
have
the
city
council
public
hearing
for
this
on
december
1st.
I
I
I
I
Residential
dwelling
unit
at
least
are
owned
by
a
household
with
a
household
income
of
120
or
less
of
the
adjusted
area
median
family
income.
So
that's
what
would
be
considered?
Affordable
housing
for
rental
units
must
not
exceed
rates
for
annual
maximum
rents
by
the
number
of
bedroom
unit
was
published
for
this.
The
tampa
st
petersburg
tampa
st
petersburg
clearwater
msa
and
then
for
non-rental
units.
The
sales
price
may
not
exceed
90
of
the
average
area
price
for
the
tampa
st
petersburg
clearwater
msa.
I
So
what
do
those
numbers?
Look
like?
I
went
through
and
checked
on
what
the
current
numbers
are
for
2022.
There
were
a
few
numbers
that
were
published
for
2023,
but
for
pinellas
county
according
to
hud
median
family
income.
Right
now
at
least
the
latest
published,
which
was
2022,
is
82
100,
so
that
would
be
median
family
income.
I
When
you
look
at
the
average
area
purchase
price
for
homes,
ninety
percent
average
per
area
purchase
price,
so
let's
say
for
a
three
bedroom
unit
would
be
five
hundred
and
forty
thousand
dollars
approximately,
and
then
the
nation
nationwide
average
purchase
price
is
368
500.
90
of
that
is
331
000..
So
you
can
see
that
clearwater
in
general
is
a
little
bit
more
costly
than
the
nationwide
average
purchase
prices,
maximum
rental
limits
again.
This
is
for
the
tampa
st
petersburg
clearwater
msa
we're
looking
at
income
categories.
I
At
these
prices,
you
can
see
how
everything
is
is
very,
very
limited,
so
pinellas
county
for
2023,
the
fair
market
run
by
bedrooms
for
a
three
bedroom
unit,
is
2
123.
I
So
when
you
look
at
all
this
together,
we're
looking
at
an
affordability
crisis,
basically
in
the
area,
so
that's
what
we're
trying
to
tackle
through
the
local
housing
incentive
strategy,
so
affordable
housing
agents.
So
so
you
all
are
on
the
supply
side
of
things,
so
nonprofit
developers,
for-profit
developers,
basically
facilitating
affordable
housing,
either
the
production
of
or
perhaps
connecting,
people
with,
affordable
housing.
I
I
So
the
previous
2021
local
housing
incentive
strategy
report
had
many
of
the
same
components
as
the
previous
report,
so
we
start
with
values,
principles
and
visions.
So
this
is
really
the
same
setting
the
framework
for
what
we
are
considering
or
looking
at
and
then
the
actual
strategy,
which
is
the
list
of
incentives
and
recommendations.
B
Yes,
I
have
a
suggestion
about
discussing
the
value
of
mixed
income
housing
and
whether
or
not
we
really
want
to
that.
We
value
that
that
there
are
some
benefits
to
society
to
have
mixed
income
residents
living
together.
B
For
example,
we
have
the
bluff
development
with
gotham
de
nunzio
and
we
have
five
to
600
units
potentially
coming
on
the
bluff
related
to
our
referendum.
This
fall
and
I
advocated
to
have
a
set
aside
of
maybe
10
percent
of
those
units
at
120
percent
ami,
and
that
would
mean
about
for
a
single
person
about
78
000
a
year.
So
this
is
professionals
living
working
for
our
city,
the
hospital,
and
that
was
defeated
on
the
dais
they
didn't
want
that,
and
I
asked
for
five
percent
set
aside
for
120.
B
Ami
nope
and
part
of
the
rationale
was
that
there
was
a
cost
to
the
city
to
incentivize
that,
and
I
think,
denise.
If,
if
I
remember
right,
it
was
like
a
million
dollars
a
year.
Something
like
that,
and
I
don't
know
if
it
was
a
million
a
year
for
10
500
000
for
five,
but
anyway
there
was
a
financial
cost
to
subsidize
workforce.
B
I
would
say
professional
workforce
housing
in
that
development,
with
the
value
of
mixed
income,
housing
and,
and
the
rationale
was
you
can
take
that
500
000
or
million
a
year
and
put
it
in
north
greenwood
or
lake
bellevue
or
some
other
part
of
the
city
and
get
more
bang
for
your
buck,
which
I
understand.
B
But
I
think
that
we
need
to
have
a
discussion
about
the
value
of
having
people
of
mixed
incomes
living
together
and
whether
or
not
that
needs
to
be
part
of
our
value
statement.
And
how
do
we
want
to
communicate
that
if
we
agree
to
the
council,
I
think
it's
worthy
of
a
discussion.
Can
I
can
I
comment.
G
On
that,
if
I'm
reading
this
correctly,
the
definition
of
affordable
housing
a
couple
of
years
back,
if
you
take
two
pinellas
county
school
teachers
that
are
married
and
have
two
children
and
they've
been
teachers
for
10
years,
they
can't
afford
to
live
in
pinellas
county
period.
That's
just
a
cold
hard
fact
right!
Isn't
that
what
you're
talking
about,
I
think,
there's
a
there
seems
to
be
a
if
it's
unaffordable.
Housing
is
only
for
people
who
are
in
poverty
and
that's
not
true,
that's
a
whole
separate
issue.
G
We
have
to
deal
with
and
we
deal
with
every
month,
but
we're
talking
about
people
who
are
correct.
We
weren't
wrong
here:
teachers,
policemen,
nurses,
people
who
are
office
workers.
They
can't
afford
to
live
in
pinellas
county,
and
so
you
want
to
put
more
units
in.
But
then,
when
the
the
term
comes
up
well,
there
it's
affordable
housing,
it
certainly
gets
shot
down
and
that
comes
from
nindy.
Nobody
wants
it
in
their
backyard.
G
Nobody
ever
wants
to
solve
the
problem.
Oh
no,
everybody
wants
to
solve
the
problem.
Nobody
ever
really
wants
it
near
them,
and
that's
something
to
your
point,
kathleen
that
has
to
be
addressed,
and
it
has
to
almost
like
you
got
to
rip
the
band-aid
off
and
start
talking
about
this,
because
until
we
find
a
way
to
help
everyone
across
the
board,
we're
not
going
to
help
anyone.
B
So
can
we
talk
about
whether
or
not
we
value
mixed
income
housing
and
whether
we
think
the
city
should
subsidize
it
in
some
way,
I
think
and
everywhere,
because
part
of
the
pushback
was
not
there.
That's
a
view,
that's
deluxe
that
that
doesn't
belong
there
and
I
think
it
needs
to
be
everywhere.
There
are
cities
across
the
nation
that
require
it
everywhere
that
they
build
housing
in
their
communities
regardless,
if
it's
waterfront
or
you
know,
mountain
view
or
whatever.
So
I
think
it's
worthy
of
a
discussion.
G
B
G
A
So,
if
we're
speaking
specifically
to
the
values
of
affordable
housing,
which
is
what
we're
doing
on
this
slide
right
here,
I
think
that
I
think
the
note
that
we
want
to
add
is
is
what
affordables
the
housing
brings.
So
we
have
to
turn
it
in
a
way
that
we're
not
just
adding
there's
value
to
mixed
income
housing,
because
that
wouldn't
really
fit
in
this
particular
slide
here,
but
it
would
be
something
along.
The
lines
of
you
know
connects
different
socioeconomic
backgrounds.
H
I
I
wonder
if
it's
the
right
place
to
add
it
yeah.
Let
me
let
me
make
a
suggestion.
So,
in
addition
to
the
values,
the
next
slide,
I
believe,
is
principles,
so
we
may
want
to
so
that
so
the
values
are
more
of
the
aspirational
goal.
So
this
is.
This
is
what
we
want
to
work
for
or
move
toward.
The
principles
are:
how
do
we
get
there
a
little
more,
a
little
more
detailed
in
terms
of
how
how
we
get
there?
I
So
I'm
I'm
wondering
if
the
principles
is
the
more
appropriate
place
to
add
some
of
that
more
specific
targeted
language
for
mixed
income
housing.
So
let's
look
at
these,
so
we
have
on
affordable
housing
principles.
The
current
ones
are
affordable
over
the
long
term,
so
that
ensures
that
that
affordability
continues
into
the
future
diverse
supply
that
provides
for
a
mix
of
income
levels
and
the
diverse
needs
of
residents.
I
So
looking
at
that
particular
principle,
there
may
be
more
to
add
to
that
where
we
say
mix
of
income
levels,
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
they're
in
the
same
place
together.
So
maybe
there's
an
opportunity
to
revise
this
particular
principle
to
clarify
that
we're
encouraging
those
that
mix
of
income
levels
together
in
that
same
place
or
the
same
development.
I
Let's
look
at
some
of
the
others,
so
sustainable,
well-designed
and
minimizes
physical
barriers
to
accessibility
in
character
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
and
then
we
have
strategically
located
which
really
refers
to
pedestrian
oriented
access
to
mass
transit,
open
space,
educational
institutions
and
employment
or
workforce
training
opportunities.
So
when
I
look
at
all
of
those
principles,
I
really
I'm
seeing
that
number
two
may
be
the
place
to
to
talk
about
how
we
can
integrate
that.
So
looking
at
number
two:
are
there
any
suggestions
for
how
to
revise
that
language?.
M
B
L
Right
so
so
gina
is
bringing
up
a
point
that
may
be
a
little
bit
nuanced,
so
affordable
housing
projects
are
limited
to
80
and
below.
So
I
don't
wish
to
inadvertently
establish
a
mixed
income
level
that
includes
market
rate
and.
H
C
B
I
J
J
I
Think
we're
still
saying
a
mix
of
income
levels.
So
it's
not
really.
It's
still
open-ended
to
the
point
where
it's
not
saying
it
has
to
be
all
market
rate.
It
has
to
be
all
affordable,
it
could
be
a
mix
of
affordable
and
market
rate.
It
could
be
a
mix
of
different,
affordable
levels
in
terms
of
fifty
percent,
eighty
percent
hundred
and
twenty
percent.
So
I
don't
think
we're
specifically
calling
out
what
that
mix
is
just
that
we're
providing
for
a
mix
of
that.
B
Right
and
if
the
financials
like
from
the
state
require
it
to
be
all
affordable,
then
we
still
have
the
diversity
and
we
can
just
say,
look
we're
not.
We
don't
have
the
flexibility
here
to
have
market
rate,
but
I
think
it
is
good
to
have
market
rate.
I
mean
if
we
really
believe
in
mixed
income
housing.
We
want
some
market
rate
as
well,
wherever
we're
going
to
build,
you
know
unless
it's
precluded
by
it
needs
to
be
affordable
in
30,
60
120
whatever
so
I
you
know,
I
don't
have
a
problem.
B
B
A
Okay,
so
my
question
is
just
to
go
back
to
that,
because
we're
specifically
on
this
edition
talking
about
the
developments
that
are
not
specifically
affordable,
housing
developments.
Is
this
still
the
right
place
to
put
what
we're
talking
about,
because
this
is
talking
specifically
about
affordable
housing
developments.
A
Do
we
want
to
be
careful
in
where
we
place
it
so
that
it's
a
clear
message
that
we're
sending
to
say
outside
of
the
affordable
housing
developments,
the
way
that
they
already
sit
and
they
already
are
working?
We
would
like
the
city
to
consider
basically
including
affordable
housing
in
all
developments
that
are
being
considered.
B
A
I
Correct
so
so
this
particular
so
everything
we're
dealing
with
in
the
whole
local
housing
incentive
strategy
report
is
all
affordable
housing.
So
what
we're
doing
is
we're
creating
values
for
affordable
housing,
principles
for
affordable
housing,
a
vision
for
affordable
housing
and
then
creating
recommendations
of
specific
actions
to
get
there.
So,
yes,
it
does
all
fall
under
the
umbrella
of
affordable
housing.
Okay,
so
going
back
to
the
values
slide,
so
affordable
housing.
I
How
does
this
benefit
the
city?
It
supports
a
dynamic
and
competitive
economy.
It
improves
social
well-being,
builds
a
sense
of
community.
This
is
how
affordable
housing
supports.
The
city
clearwater
ensures
that
the
city's
workforce
can
live
within
the
city.
So
that's
the
overall.
What
is
what
does
affordable
housing
bring
to
the
city
of
clearwater?
Why
do
we
want
to
promote
it?
I
So
that's
what
the
value
side
is
when
you
get
back
to
the
principal
side,
now
you're
narrowing
down
a
little
bit
further
to
what
we
want,
affordable
housing
to
look
like,
and
so
yes,
this
is
number
two
would
be
narrowed
down
to
affordable
housing.
I
think
there's
other
places
where
we
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
those
market
rate,
incorporation
of
market
rate
into
the
affordable
housing.
J
I
In
terms
of
getting
projects
off
the
ground,
we
can
do
that
down
in
the
recommendations
section
as
well.
I
have
to
go
through
and
see
what
specific,
which
specific
recommendation
could
be
tailored
to
add
that
in.
But
I
think
here
for
the
affordable
housing
principles.
I
think
it
does
benefit
you
to
reference
that
you
want
that
in
the
same
development,
because
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
captured
anywhere
other
than
a
specific
recommendation
at
this
level
at
the
value,
principles
and
vision
level.
I
If
we
go
to
the
vision
that
we
currently
have,
which
is
a
very
long
sentence,
yeah
the
affordable
housing
vision
that
was
established
last
year-
and
I
think
there
were
some
minor
adjustments
to
it.
The
city
of
clearwater
will
encourage
the
development
of
a
diverse
supply
of
housing
that
is
safe,
affordable,
sustainable
and
well-designed
that
blends
into
the
character
of
all
the
city's
neighborhoods
approximate
to
public
amenities
and
employment
opportunities,
which
supports
an
inclusive
community
and
the
diverse
needs
of
residents.
I
So
we
don't
specifically
call
out
mix
of
incomes
here.
I
think
we
allude
to
it
in
the
inclusive
aspect:
the
diverse
needs
of
residents,
but
it's
not
specifically
called
out
in
the
vision
either.
So
I
think,
probably
incorporating
it
into
the
principles
under
number
two
we'll
go
ahead
and
do
that
in
terms
of
the
vision.
You
may
also
want
to
adjust
this
a
little
bit
too
to
be
more
specific
about
it.
A
I
think
number
two
needs
to
stay
there
and
it
might
get
a
little
complicated
if
we
try
to
make
that
into
you
know
one
more
aspect:
maybe
we
create
a
number
six,
if
that's
even
possible,
I
don't
know
if
we're
limited
to
the
number,
but
where
we
specifically
address
that
we
would
like
to
city
to
consider
affordable
housing
in
all
developments
that
are
basically
being
brought
to
be
brought
online
right.
Yeah.
M
G
Of
them,
is
it
possible?
I'm
sorry,
is
it
possible
that
somehow
you're
talking
originally
about
maybe
a
million
dollars
being
set
aside
to
help
subsidize
some
of
this?
Is
it
possible
that
we
have
to
look
at
this
or
we
have
to
bring
this
to
the
city
council
and
say:
look
when
a
developer
comes
to
you
and
wants
to
develop.
You
know
five
hundred
thousand
six
hundred
thousand
seven
hundred
thousand
dollar
homes
and
there's
nothing
wrong
with
that.
G
Can
we
set
aside
or
can
we
have
the
developer,
take
five
acres
and
make
that
be
not
600
dollar
homes,
but
be
two
hundred
thousand
dollar
town
houses
that
are
architecturally
designed
into
the
plan
so
that
what
you've
accomplished
is
yeah,
you've
he's
making
money
and
we've
got
the
subsidy
to
here,
help
him
out
a
little
bit,
but
also
guess
what
school
teachers
can
live
in
pinellas
county
who
work
here
I
mean.
Why
is
that?
A
Talking
around
it-
and
I
think
we'll
get
to
that
when
we
get
to
the
recommendation,
part
portion,
but
I
think
we
to
your
point
amanda.
We
can't
recommend
without
also
including
it
into
the
principles
so
that
then
it
makes
sense
when
we
get
to
the
recommendation
that
it
says.
Okay,
that's
why
they're
recommending
this
particular-
and
I
don't
know
that
we
can
be
specific
to
say
you
know,
there's
a
specific
percentage
of
every
single
development
that
needs
to
be
has
to
be
whatever
it
may
be,
but
I
don't
know
it
has
to.
A
N
B
I
have
a
small
comment
about
number
three:
the
sustainable
well
designed
and
minimizes
physical
barriers
to
accessibility.
I
think
our
housing
principles
also
need
to
include
with
the
goal
of
reducing
rental
costs
or
cost
housing
costs,
and
that
means
you
know
more
energy,
efficient
everything
appliances.
It
means
incentivizing
developers
to
have
solar
and
ev
chargers
and
all
those
things
are
going
to
lower
the
cost
of
the
resident
for
the
residents
so
and
we
also
have
green
print
that
speaks
to
lowering
the
cost
of
1
000
low
and
moderate
income
residents
here
in
clearwater.
A
I
Okay,
so
on
number
three,
so
so
on
number
two:
just
to
recap:
we're
going
to
add
a
sixth
principle
right
bottom
to
incorporate,
affordable
housing
into
all
non-affordable
housing
development.
And
then
we
are
going
to
modify
number
three
to
basically
rearrange
it.
We'll
say
designed
for
sustainable
I'll,
say:
energy,
efficient,
maximum
energy
efficiency,
energy
efficiency.
I
B
A
B
Because
all
these
things
are
a
fight
every
time
you
know
we
have
something
that
comes
before
the
council
and
we
need
to
be
able
to
have
a
document.
If
this
is
what
we
care
about
to
hold
up
and
say,
this
is
what
we've.
This
is
what
you
all
have
recommended,
and
these
are
best
practices,
and
please
take
these
into
account
when
you're
awarding
contracts.
L
M
So
we're
always
looking
for
sponsors
and
you
know
we're
trying
to
get
there,
but
it's
impossible.
So
at
least
I
mean
number
three
doesn't
specifically
say
that
it
has
to
be
installed
solar,
but
it
has
to
be
sustainable,
which
you
know
affordable
housing
can
be
sustainable,
can
be
designed
for
cost
effectiveness.
You
know
so
you
know
inaccessible,
you
know,
so
the
ev
station
is
just
one
small
token,
and
you
know
we
can.
You
know
like
as
a
developer.
We
can
strive
to
get
to
that
point
of
energy
and.
M
B
But
I
think
by
saying
that
we
value
it,
we
can
hold
it
up
and
say
this
is
what
we
value
and
then
ask
the
city
to
help
subsidize
it.
I
mean
I'm
not
expecting
developers
to
absorb
everything
right,
but
it's
just.
We
have
to
be
able
to
say
that
these
are
our
beliefs
in
order
to
ask
for
money
from
the
coffers,
and
we
got
to
have
it
written
down.
A
So
we
just
need
to
to
your
point
denise.
We
just
need
to
make
sure
that
none
of
the
language
that
we're
adding
is
going
to
become
something
that
prevents
you
know,
development.
It's
it's
a
guideline.
It's
a
principle
to
your
point,
kathleen
it's
something
that
we
value,
but
it's
not
all
a
requirement,
because
not
all
of
it
can
be
a
requirement.
Unfortunately,
until
we
get
to
that
point,.
I
So
in
terms
of
coming
up
with
the
general
just
thinking
about
the
principles
here
and
in
any
language,
that's
being
added
in
terms
of
general
language,
that's
not
going
to
pin
a
particular
developer
down
on
a
particular
thing
like
you
must
install
solar
panels
at
the
beginning.
Do
we
want
to
use
the
term
energy
efficient?
I,
like
I
heard
technol
technological
advancements.
I
guess
I'm
seeking
from
the
committee
some
direction
on.
I
A
Yeah,
I
think
cost
efficiency
yeah
and
it
cost
efficiency
makes
sense
to
include
it
because
we're
talking
about
affordable
housing,
we're
talking
about,
let's
not
add
a
cost
to
somebody's.
You
know
monthly
bill
if
we
don't
have
to
so
maybe
energy
and
cost
efficient
or
something
along
those
lines.
B
L
Right
to
y'all's
point,
I
just
want
to
be
cautious
that
we
don't
inadvertently
interrupt
the
supply
and
production
of
homes
by
making
it
difficult
for
developers
or
contractors
to
integrate
these
in
there.
So
you
know
it's.
I
find
balance
as
you
all
know,
so
you
know,
I
think,
if,
if
the
principle
is,
as
you
say,
you
know
if
we
use
energy
efficient
and
things
like
those,
I
I
think
we
can
get
deeper
into
the
strategies
where
we
can
identify
those
things
very
specifically
that
those
are
strategies
that
we'll
explore.
L
Maybe
we'll
require
developers
to
evaluate
the
feasibility
of
these
things
when
you're
making
requests
of
the
city
those
kinds
of
things,
but
I
would
just
caution
you
to
kind
of
think
through.
We
don't
want
to
inadvertently
create
hurdles
for
developers
that
they're
not
able
to
overcome
or
that
we
cannot
help
them
overcome
with
our
limited
dollars.
I
Okay,
all
right
so
so
it
looks
like
we
have
some
revision
to
number
three.
So
we'll
add
in
that
language
regarding
energy
and
cost
efficiency,
but
keeping
it
broad
and
then
we'll
add
a
sixth
principle
regarding
the
integration
of
affordable
housing
into
non-affordable
housing
developments.
I
So
I
think
that's
up
for
discussion
on
what
that
could
mean
or
or
does
mean,
so
I
think
when
just
looking
back
on
past
years
for
the
discussions
with
the
affordable
housing
advisor
committee,
I
think
this
was
more
of
an
attempt
to
you
know
to
how
do
I
want
to
phrase
this
to
ameliorate
or
mitigate
some
of
the
concerns
with
affordable
housing
commit
coming
into
a
neighborhood
concerns
about
you
know
how
that'll
look
will
it
be
incompatible
in
terms
of
its
appearance
with
adjacent
homes?
I
A
It
was,
it
was
our
way
I
think,
last
year,
when
we
added
it
to
basically
say
you
know
that
it
doesn't
have
to
look
like
you
know
what
I
mean
like
some
of
the
some
of
the
comments
that
I
think
we
brought
up
were
that
by
putting
this
in
there,
we
would
create
more
of
a
kind
of
like
a
what's
the
word,
I'm
looking
for.
A
We're
not
asking
anybody
to
make
it
look
exactly
like
the
house
next
door,
but
so
that
we
can
say
it
needs
to
it
needs
to
fit
in
the
neighborhood
to
say
it's,
not
it's
not
going
to
look
like
affordable
housing.
If
you
don't
know
that
it
is
affordable
housing,
if
that
makes
sense,
the
way
that,
like.
H
M
Understand
exactly
what
it
means,
but
that
limits
you
know
the
creativity
and
the
design
of
any
affordable
housing.
You
know
so
we're
talking
about
tiny
homes,
additional
structures
not
limited,
because
if
the
neighborhood
does
not
have
any
that
surrounding
character,
then
we
cannot
come
in
with
an
alternative.
You
know
something
that
is
sustainable,
well-designed.
You
know
yeah.
A
H
Things
like
that,
you
know
shutters
on
the
home
compared
to
not,
I
wasn't
thinking
in
general,
it
being
a
single
family
or
a
townhome
or.
H
A
Yeah,
if
you
go
into
the
vision
which
is
the
following
slide,
we
have
a
the
way
that
we
set
it.
There
was
blends
into
the
character
of
the
name
of
all
the
city's
neighborhood,
but
I
think
there's
a
there's
a
point
here
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
make
a
change
to
that
particular
bullet
point
in
the
principles
because
we
obviously
don't
want
it
to
become
a
barrier.
B
Maybe
it
speaks
to
the
you
know:
diversity
of
housing,
choices
and
options.
So
you
can
have
adus,
you
can
have
tiny
homes,
so
we
we
do
value
different
housing
options
right
and
I
think
aesthetically
they
have
to
fit
in
with
a
community.
But
but
I
mean
I
want
as
much
creativity
as
possible.
Triplex's
duplexes,
you
know
even
like
rooming
homes,
right
all
sorts
of
right.
We
need
every
option
available
in
the
in
the
city.
Do
you.
C
K
You
might
want
to
separate
uses
which
would
be
your
adus,
your
duplexes,
triplexes
and
all
from
character.
I
think
that
when
we
look
at
character,
we're
going
to
think
about,
does
it
fit
in
roofline
similarity,
perhaps
porches.
You
know
this
neighborhood
with
porches
like
right.
Now
we
have
a
project
that
has
come
in
for
a
metal
house
that
looks
essentially
like
a
barn
with
no
windows
next
to
a
whole
bunch
of
cottages
and
bungalows.
I
mean
that
is
not
yes,
it
probably
cost
30
less,
but
how
does
that
really
impact
the
property
around
it?
K
K
It
looks
like
it
belongs
out
in
the
middle
of
the
country
you
know
compared
to
in
a
very
urban
environment.
I
think
that
that
that
could
have
some
impacts
on
the
surrounding
properties.
So
anyway,
I
just
encourage
you
to
think
about
those
things
like
architecturally
that
it
you
know
kind
of
blends
in
it.
Doesn't
I
wouldn't
look
at
it
about?
You
know
duplex,
it's
because
there
are
a
lot
of
communities.
Well,
not
a
lot,
but
there
is
definitely
a
trend.
Minneapolis
started
it.
K
K
A
But
that
brings
up
up
a
good
point
gabby,
because
we
were
just
talking
about
how
we
need
to
be
careful
and
how
we
word
principle
number
three,
so
that
we
don't.
Basically
you
know
minimize
the
number
of
people
that
will
want
to
develop
affordable
housing,
but
we're
doing
the
same
thing
with
number
four,
as
it
sits
and
should
we
I
mean.
I
think
this
entire
committee
would
agree
that
we
would
rather
have
affordable
housing,
even
if
it
looks
different
than
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood
and
not
have
it
at
all.
A
So
maybe
that's
a
conversation
worth
having,
because
if
we're,
we
might
not
be
in
agreeance
with
number
four
anymore,
and
if
that's
the
case,
we
just
need
to
make
sure
that
whatever
we
put
down
reflects
that,
because
if
we
say
it
absolutely
has
to
look
like
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood
at
what
cost
are
we
you
know?
Are
we
putting
that
that
that
principle
out
there
do
we
prefer
to
include
something
along
the
lines
of
the
creativity
that
you
mentioned?
A
Maybe
creative
in
the
use
of
you,
know
the
land
and
the
the
size
of
the
units.
The
number
of
the
units,
all
of
those
things,
can
come
into
play
and
that
would
be
more
of
an
open-ended
opportunity
than
closing
a
door
because
it
doesn't
fit
in
a
specific
neighborhood.
I
don't
know
what
this
committee
thinks,
but
I
think
this
is
the
conversation
we're
having
right
now.
C
C
So
this
this
to
me
is
is
written
broadly
for
a
reason
and
and
simply
to
just
maybe
lessen
the
fears
and
concerns
of
those
neighborhoods
where
an
affordable
housing
project
might
be
proposed,
that
we're
showing
respect
for
those
homeowners
in
that
neighborhood
have
been
there
for
decades,
probably
and
and
love
their
neighborhood.
We're
trying
to
encourage
throughout
the
city,
neighborhood
activism
and
people
taking
pride
in
the
neighborhood.
C
So
to
me,
it's
written
brother
for
a
reason
and
it
and
it's
just
simply
a
show
of
respect
to
those
neighborhoods
who
have
who
have
been,
and
the
citizens
have
been
in
those
neighborhoods
for
a
long
time
that
we're
not
going
to
propose
an
affordable
housing
project
that
sticks
out.
Like
a
thumb
like
it's
been
said
earlier,.
H
I
think,
on
the
flip
side-
oh
sorry,
I
just
want
to
say
on
the
flip
side
to
that
point
I
think
it's
also
for
the
people
that
are
living
in
the
affordable,
housing
home.
You
want
to
be
a
part
of
that
neighborhood.
You
want
your
home
to
look
like
a
part
of
your
neighborhood.
You
don't
want
your
home
to
stand
out
when
your
children
go
out
to
play
with
other
neighborhood
kids
and
they
know
they're
from
the
affordable,
housing,
home
and
they're.
H
H
This
is
not
it's
not
really
a
part
of
our
neighborhood,
so
we're
trying
to
blend
a
neighborhood
and
have
it
have
the
character,
and
I
agree,
I
think
I
think,
for
what
we
want
on
there.
I
don't
see
a
change
to
it,
because
I
think
it's
it's
broad,
it's
character,
it's
not
use!
It's
really!
Just
the
aesthetics.
You
know
you
want
to
get
the
general
aesthetics.
I
don't
think
it's
causing
a
barrier
for
affordable
housing
into
a
neighborhood.
M
I
I
respect
your
opinion
in
regards
to
you
know
the
neighborhood
characteristics:
affordable
hospitals,
in
my
opinion,
what
we
built,
which
were
one
of
the
few
and
largest
affordable
housing
in
the
county.
Our
houses
don't
look
bad
at
all
in,
in
fact,
they
look
much
better
than
almost
every
neighborhood
that
we
build
our
homes
and
to
the
point
that
you
know,
respect
of
those
neighbors
that
lived
there
10
20
years
ago.
Those
neighbors
are
able
to
live
there
10
20
years
ago,
because
housing
atlanta
was
affordable.
M
M
Use
we're
talking
about
character,
it
limits
important
housing.
You
know
we
built
a
home
in
west
paschal
that
the
house
had
to
be
in
character,
which
is
from
the
neighborhood,
and
we
ended.
J
M
Building
a
two-bedroom
home
with
one
and
a
half
raffle
two-car
garage,
because
that's
what
the
neighborhood
looked
like
our
house
looked
better
than
any
other
house,
but
that's
I
mean
it
was
a
waste
of
you
know:
affordable
housing,
right
space,
you
know
just
because
they
needed
to
be.
You
know
in
you
know,
in
contact.
M
And
we
could
have
built,
you
know
a
beautiful
home
without
having
to
be
exactly
like
the
surrounding
homes.
So
I
think
that
point
is
definitely
limited.
I
mean
affordable.
Housing
doesn't
have
to
be
bad
or
cheap
and
again
to
the
point
we're
talking
about
the
people
that
serve
this
community,
the
teachers,
the
firefighters,
the
policemen,
the
nurses,
you
know
I
mean,
what's.
M
Right
I
mean
what's
wrong
with
all
of
us
working,
you
know,
and
you
know
office
staff.
So
you
know
we
keep
saying
that
you
know
he's
sort
of
done,
but
you
know
that's,
that's
us
right.
That's
that's
our
people
right.
So
I
feel
like
you
know
why
you
know
and
that's
one
of
the
problems
you
know
people
like.
Don't
nobody
wants
it.
It
doesn't
matter
if
the
house
looks
better
than
the
surrounding
homes
or
neighborhoods.
Nobody
wants
to
be
there
in
their
neighborhood
period.
M
A
So
I
think
if
we,
if
we
flip
the
writing
on
number
four
and
just
say,
brings
value
to
the
neighborhood
that
it's
in
whether
it's
from
character,
whether
it's
from
the
creativity
of
whatever
right.
I
think
that's
what
I
think.
That's
what
we
all
want
this
to
mean
is
that
it's
affordable
housing
is
supposed
to
bring
value
not
just
to
the
people
that
are
living
in
it,
but
to
the
entire
neighborhood
that
it
goes
into
because
it
brings
value
it
does
it's
a
fact.
H
No
there's
not
there's
not
something
that
an
appraiser
will
do,
but
I
would
talk
about
there's
a
difference
between
an
appraised
value
and
then
a
buyer's
market
right,
yeah.
Okay,
so
you
know-
and
I
go
back
to
nothing
with
affordable
housing
because
I
think
most
of
the
habitat
homes
do
look
good.
I
go
back
to
the
barn
house
going
up.
You
know
metal
barn
house
going
up
with
all
of
the
other
homes,
not
meeting
that
character.
So
that's
what
I'm
just
seeing
from
a
real
estate
perspective.
H
So
do
you
want
the
home
that
stands
out
like
that?
The
two
you
know
the
surrounding
neighbors
yeah:
can
that
devalue
the
pro
their
property
value?
Yes
and
a
buyer's
mind
for
sure
so,
you're
gonna
shrink
your
buyer
pools,
so
you're
not
gonna
get
the
price
you
might
want
for
your
property
because
they
don't
want
to
live
next
to
an
eyesore
or
something
like
that,
not
anything
to
do
with
affordable
housing
being
in
my
store.
J
M
L
K
If
it's
a
project
that
just
goes
straight
to
building
from
it
like
a
single
family
home
might,
depending
on
the
lot
size
and
a
lot
of
issues,
we
wouldn't
do
that
kind
of
review.
But
if
it
goes
through,
you
know
a
flexible
standard
process
or
flexible
development,
then
we
would
chances
of
us
getting
into
the
you
know
kind
of
architectural
issues.
H
So
bringing
in
value
in
here,
I
think
what
you
were
kind
of
just
asking
or
looting
out.
How
do
we
determine
that?
That's
adding
value
you
know,
there's
we
can
say
appraisal
value,
it's
a
market
value,
but
some
of
those
are
subjected
right
to
right.
Whatever
it
is.
So
I
get
the
you
know
some
of
the
times.
These
categories
have
to
be
broad,
so
we.
H
J
H
A
But
I
also
think
that
we
have
discussed
that
in
character
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood
is
problematic,
because
of
because
of
everything
that
we've
discussed.
I
think
maybe
there's
a
way,
and
we
don't
have
to
find
a
solution
today,
but
I
think
maybe
there's
a
way
to
to
describe
what
we're
meaning
to
describe
differently
than
the
way
it's
currently
being
described.
I
I've
heard
I've
heard
several
people
mention
aesthetics
specifically,
and
I
know
this
goes
back
to.
Maybe
the
use
was
limited
before
by
having
to
describe
that
character.
It
feeds
into
what
gina
was
saying
as
well.
You
know,
do
we
mean
specifically
aesthetic
character
since
that
isn't
necessarily
always
reviewed
depending
on
the
level
of
review?
I
Do
we
want
to
limit
it
just
to
the
aesthetic
character
blending
in
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
rather
than
having
it
be
broad
character
which
could
refer
to
the
unit
type
fitting
into
the
neighborhood
or
the
configuration
fitting
into
the
neighborhood,
which
I
think
is
the
large
part
of
the
limiting
factor
on
an
affordable
housing
developer
coming
in
aesthetic
character
could
be,
you
know,
just
some
minor
tweaks
to
the
outside
exterior
to
make
it
blend
in.
So
what
are
your?
What
are
your
thoughts
on?
M
Can
say
something
along
lines:
aesthetically
pleasing
we
can
say
something
like
with
an
identified
architectural
style
which
already
limits
that
blocks
house.
You
know,
like
you,
know,
a
box
without
a
forge
or
something
like
that.
So
once
you
have
to
do
that,
you
have
to
define
what
I
might
build
in
here.
So
that
can
be
what
we
have.
Instead
of
you
know
in
character,.
H
I
think
if
you
do
an
aesthetic
character
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood
to
me,
that's
touching
on
all
the
points
we
want,
because
it
literally
is
just
the
aesthetics
we're
not
talking
about
building
use,
we're
not
giving
the
illusion
that
we
can't
have
a
small
home.
We
just
want
that
small
home
to
look
nice
similar.
B
K
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt.
I
thought
it
might
be
useful
to
know
that
in
our
affordable
housing
bonus
section
of
the
code,
we
actually
do
have
criteria
about
standards,
and
this
is
geared
to
attach
dwellings
but
there's
compatibility
criteria.
The
project
shall
be
consistent
with
any
sort
of
special
area
plans.
Proportionality
and
scale
of
the
proposed
development
shall
be
consistent
with
the
community
character.
So
that
is
what
we're
looking
at.
The
overall
aesthetics
of
the
approved
development
shall
be
compatible
with,
or
an
improvement
to,
the
community
character.
K
The
scale
and
coverage
of
the
proposed
development
shall
be
compatible
with
adjacent
properties
and
there's
some
graphics.
Unfortunately,
I
can't
get
them
to
show
on
my
my
screen
here
that
I
could
put
up
here,
but
it
shows
you
like
what
we
mean
by
that
you
know
in
a
graphic
format,
so
you
could
have
a
two-story
house
next
to
a
single-story
house.
It
doesn't
preclude
you
from
doing
that
or
attached.
So
anyway,
we
already
have
a
list
of
these
things
already
in
the
code,
and
we
can
provide
that
to
you
for
your
next
meeting.
J
H
A
I,
but
I
do
think
that
we're
bringing
that
up,
because
right
now
it
just
says
it
has
to
blend
in,
whereas
the
code
actually
says
it
either
has
to
blend
in
or
look
better
or
you
know.
This
is
my
words
but-
and
I
think
that's
that
makes
sense
to
add
that
into
this
particular
area
since
we're
discussing
this
because
to
your
point,
gabby
we're
not
asking
the
house
to
look
the
same
sometimes
and
a
lot
of
the
times.
They
look
a
lot
better.
So
that's
what
that's!
What
we're
bringing
up.
K
And
there's
some
sustainability
features
on
green
building
criteria.
C
I
might
suggest
we
circulate
this
yeah
and
then
we
we
talk
about
it
at
the
next
meeting.
We
can
do
that.
Yeah.
A
I
All
right
so
with
the
principles
it
looks
like
number
four,
we'll
we'll
hold
that
one.
We
know
there's
going
to
be
a
change
to
it
after
gina
provides
that
section
we'll
look
at
it
at
the
next
meeting
and
then
further
refine
that
number
four
principle
as
well.
I
So
with
that
any
other
comments
on
the
principles
moving.
I
Forward
right
so
now
to
the
vision,
so
really
the
vision,
statement
blends
or
combines
the
principles
into
one
overarching
statement
and
again
city
of
clearwater
will
encourage
the
development
of
a
diverse
supply
of
housing
that
is
safe,
affordable,
sustainable
and
well-designed
that
blends
into
the
character
of
all
the
city's
neighborhoods
proxy
to
public
proximate
to
public
amenities
and
employment
opportunities,
which
supports
an
inclusive
community
and
the
diverse
needs
of
residents.
I
Any
adjustments
to
the
vision
or
based
on
some
of
the
conversation
regarding
the
principles,
maybe
some
adjustments
to
reflect
whatever
comes
out
of
it.
I
Does
everyone
agree
on
tabling
that
to
the
next
meeting
until
we
have
the
principles?
Refined?
Okay?
Yes,
all
right.
It's
affordable
housing
strategies
so
now
we're
getting
into
the
specific
strategies
or
recommendations
of
the
local
housing
incentive
strategy
report.
So,
as
we
all
know,
there
are
barriers
to
affordable
housing
and
there
are
incentives
to
affordable
housing.
Sometimes
things
that
look
like
barriers
can
become
incentives,
sometimes
incentives
that
we
think
will
work
as
incentives
turn
out
to
be
barriers.
I
The
process,
specifically
the
permitting
process,
financing
and
public
perception,
there's
also
many
other
barriers
to
affordable
housing,
but
these
are
just
a
few
that
that
come
up
quite
frequently
so
under
florida
statute
under
the
ship
program,
the
incentive
areas
that
we
are
required
to
look
at
under
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
are
expedited
review
process.
The
modification
of
fees,
flexible
densities,
infrastructure
capacity,
accessory
dwelling
units,
parking
reductions,
flexible
lot,
configurations,
modifications
of
street
requirements,
pre-adoption
policy,
consideration,
an
inventory
of
public
lands
and
proximity
to
transportation,
employment
and
mixed
use
development.
I
Additionally,
in
previous
years,
the
ahack
has
identified
other
incentives
that
they
want
to
put
forward
so
at
the
2021
ahack
initiated
incentives,
those
included
the
following,
which
were
continued
from
previous
years.
Looking
back,
these
are
ones
that
have
been
continued.
I
think
throughout
the
duration
of
this
committee's
formation,
adaptive,
reuse,
land
development,
code,
communication
and
marketing
of
affordable
housing,
financing
and
partnerships,
so
those
are
ones
that
are
not
required
by
statute,
but
are
added
as
things
that
the
city
of
clearwater
would
like
to
forward.
I
So
the
first
part
of
the
report
is
to
create
an
inventory
of
the
best
practices
or
incentives
to
provide
affordable
housing.
So
we
are
actually
in
the
process
of
doing
this,
we're
going
back
and
looking
at
what
was
done
during
the
last
cycle
in
2021
and
then
the
progress
to
date,
so
that
is
currently
in
process.
I
However,
we
want
to
talk
today,
just
a
little
bit
about
what
you
see
are
some
of
the
barriers
and
what
are
the
incentives
that
you
want
to
focus
on
for
the
actions
or
recommendations
of
this
plan.
So
I
know
we've
talked
a
lot
about
the
values
and
the
principles
and
getting
into
the
vision,
but
this
is
really
what
are
the
specific
actions
that
you
feel
need
to
happen
in
the
future
and
be
documented
in
this
particular
plan
this
year?
I
F
Yes,
I
would
like
to
see
the
inventory
of
city-owned
properties
looked
into
and
some
of
those
put
into
affordable
housing,
because
I'm
looking
at
the
list
that
we
have
and
it's
not
attractive.
F
B
But
we're
starting
to
purchase
lots
that
are
contiguous
with
that
with
that
intent,
right,
denise
every
now,
and
then
we
have
meetings
where
we're
purchasing
two
or
three
together
or
chuck
wants
us
to
purchase
one
that
connects
to
two.
With
that
in
mind,.
L
Yeah,
it's
opportunistic
right!
So
if
we
see
an
affordable
housing
property
and
there's
an
opportunity
to
acquire
them
at
a
financially
advantageous
way
and
yeah,
we
can
do
that.
We're
strategic.
J
L
Are
some
larger
parcels?
One
is
I'm
not
sure
if
the
rfp
has
closed
but
out
on
south
mlk
as
an
example,
near
woodlawn
avenue
was
one
that
was
just
advertised
for
multi-family
development
very
difficult
to
come
by.
So
a
lot
of
them
come
by
there's
some
other
foreclosure
action
or
achievement,
or
something
like
that.
But,
as
you
may
be
aware,
as
you
most
certainly
are
aware
in
this
marketplace,
you
know
investors
are
buying
those
up
and
they
very
rarely
fall
into
our
hands
for
those
purposes
they're
bought
at
auction.
What
have
you.
L
We
do
look
at
that
every
year,
we're
required
to
do
that
to
to
review
that
list
every
single
year
and
propose
that
slate
of
available
properties
to
council
for
consideration,
they're
placed
on
the
affordable
housing
inventory
list
and
a
few
years
ago
in
charter,
we
created
the
ability
to
sell
at
below
market
value
or
donate
properties
of
less
than
five
acres,
and
that
was
a
shift
from.
I
believe
it
was
a
either
half
or
a
full
acre
that
was
previously
available
to
us.
L
So
we
increased
the
acreage
amount
so
that
we
could
hopefully
and
potentially
have
a
larger
assemblages
of
property
that
we
could
sell
at
a
very
discounted
or
donate
for
affordable
housing
purposes.
So
there
is
the
intention
for
that.
I
would
suggest
that
the
opportunities
are
pretty
limited
in
this
market.
B
L
A
I
think
to
your
point:
if
you're
looking
at
it
from
a
developer's
standpoint,
it
would
be
most
helpful
to
have
an
entire
county
map
that
has
all
the
information
and
then,
depending
on
the
piece
of
land
that
they
hover
over.
It
would
say
this
go
to
the
city
of
clearwater,
for
this
one
go
to
the
city
of
largo.
For
this
one
go
to
pinellas
county
for
this
one
yeah
is.
L
That
available
well,
I
would
suggest
that
maybe
the
this,
the
pinellas
county,
the
housing
compact,
as
you
know,
vice
mayor
beckman,
and
some
of
you
is
right
here
so
and
forgive
me-
I've
not
been
directly
engaged
in
that
process.
I'm
not
sure
that
they've
convened
recently
to
begin
to
address
some
of
the
premises
or
principles
within
that
compact,
but
I
would
suggest
that
would
probably
be
the
place
where
a
map
such
as
you're
describing
county-wide
that
would
include
all
of
those
available
properties.
I
I
B
I
have
a
question
about
whether
or
not
people
have
brought
up
recently,
just
because
the
crisis
is
so
acute.
The
idea
of
I'm
going
to
call
them
like
rooming
houses
or
like
a
fraternity
house
where
you
have
multiple
people
living
in
a
home.
What's
that
possibility
in
our
city?
Do
we
have
that?
Do
we
have
barriers
that
prevent
you
know
a
fraternity
house
set
up
for
affordable
living
in
countryside
or
in
skycrest
are.
K
B
K
K
K
I
I
think
there
the
there's,
definitely
value
for
it.
It
is
something
that
you
find
in
bigger
cities
where
you
know
maybe
you're
having
a
blend
of
older
people
that
want
to
live,
and
you
know
not
have
all
that
maintenance
and
knowledge
this
could
be
affordable.
B
B
I
mean
it's
ginormous,
and
so,
if
you
could
have
you
know
a
young
single,
you
know
parent
working
there
working
living
there
and
and
then
an
elderly
I
mean
again
mixed
age.
B
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
at
everything,
and
I
you
know
I
remember
walking
in
the
countryside
community
and
there
were
a
number
of
there
were.
You
know
less
than
five
that
I
encountered,
but
some
group
homes
that
were
there
in
countryside
and
you
would
never
know
it.
You
know
I
just
knocked
down
the
door
was
campaigning
and
here
it
was
and
it
absolutely
blends
in.
J
B
You
know
you
have
three
or
four
people
living
in
that
home
with
some
kind
of
a
supervisor,
but
we
need
to
see
more
of
that.
I
think
throughout
the
city.
K
No,
we
do
have
some
limitations
through
a
hug
settlement
that
we
had
about.
Having
you
know,
locks
and
like
you,
if
they're
living
together
as
really
a
housekeeping
unit,
that's
totally
fine
people
can
rent.
You
know
out,
they
probably
do
it.
A
A
So
it's
not
a
barrier
per
se,
because
it's
not
something
that
our
ordinances
are
code
basically
prevents
now.
This
brings
up
a
good
point
that
might
be
a
barrier
that
we
haven't
thought
about
in
previous
years,
but
we
may
have
you
know
homeowners
that
used
to
do
that,
would
do
that,
but
now
turn
to
airbnb
or
rental,
short-term
rentals
and
that's
a
barrier,
because
if,
instead
of
a
room
or
a
an
adu
going
to
somebody
who
lives
here
and
works
here,
it
may
go
to
somebody
who
comes
to
visit.
A
So
that
may
be
a
barrier
we
want.
We
may
want
to
add
you
know
rental.
What
are
they
sure
short-term.
A
Another
barrier
I
don't
see
on
here
and
I
think,
is
always
going
to
be
a
barrier-
is
the
current
state
of
the
economy.
I
mean
we,
you
know,
there's
not
much,
that
we
can
do
about
it,
but
it's
something
that
I
think
we
need
to
mention.
It
goes
with
the
cost
of
production,
obviously,
but
also
the
land
availability.
A
If
we
can't,
you
know,
if
we
can't
get
those
those
pieces
of
land,
it's
definitely
going
to
make
it
harder
anything
else.
On.
H
The
barrier
side
that
we're
not
mentioning
would
this
go
into
your
like
down
payment
assistance
program
or
anything.
So
my
only
mention-
and
I
think
I
mentioned
that
last
year-
is
the
length
of
time
it
takes
to
process
an
a
loan.
H
It's
too
long
to
meet
what
a
seller
will
accept
for
a
contract
and
then
I
s
the
the
biggest
issue.
I've
seen
for
years
is
the
hqs
inspections.
H
The
time
of
when
that
inspection
comes
is
killing
a
lot
of
these
transactions,
even
if
we
can
get
them
accepted.
So
it's
very
hard
I
mean
I
used
to
robin's.
I
used
to
use
with
clients
so
many
of
the
down
payment
assistance
programs
and
in
the
last
two
years
I've
maybe
closed
two,
because
it
is
just.
D
D
H
H
Work,
so
it's
almost
probably
it's
more.
It
takes
more
work
ahead
of
time,
but
it
probably
needs
to
go
back
to
like
when
tampa
bay
cdc.
You
know
suncoast
housing
when
they
used
to
reapprove
the
down
payment
assistance
loan
before
the
person
found
the
home,
and
I
know
that
means
they
have
to
do
more
work
up
front.
But
if
we
can't
even
use
the
program,
because
we
have
to
wait
the
45
to
60
days
to
get
approval
it
it
the
program's
not
being
used
and
then
the
hqs
inspections
it.
H
When
I
worked
for
the
city
we
kind
of
started
those
because
we
had
some
cases
where
we
felt
it
needed
them
right
now.
The
hqs
comes,
you
know
sometimes
the
week
of
closing
the
week
before,
and
it
is
absolutely
impossible
to
get
repairs
done
at
that
point
and
then
the
repairs
that
the
hqs
is
is
really.
You
need
to
go
just
off
of
a
4.0
four
points.
H
H
N
N
Not
sure
what
funding
source
city
is
in
peterborough,
they
use
both
both
ship
and
home,
okay
and
we
more
so
use
home,
and
we
try
to
follow
the
guidelines,
we're
having
a
conference
on
our
conference
a
meeting
when
is
it
next
month
with
god
we
can
ask
this
question:
is
it
really
necessary?
Is
this
a
guideline?
Can
we
move
away
from
it,
but,
as
of
now,
we
try
to
follow.
D
Now
again
a
lot
of
times
that's
much
shorter
than
it
had
been
in
the
past.
But
if
you
can
say
to
somebody,
these
people
are
getting
down
payment
assistance.
They
need
10
days
to
get
their
inspection
done.
Perhaps
the
city
can
go
out
within
those
10
days
and
now
you're
not
waiting
until
that
40th
day
to
say
they
can't
buy
this
house.
D
Even
appraisals,
though,
are
taking
two
to
three
weeks
so
now,
you're
already
three
weeks
into
the
process
and
and
you're
past
the
inspection
period,
there's
a
difference
between
the
inspection
period
and
the
appraisal
period.
So
you
have
the
inspection
period
where
the
buyer
can
say
it
didn't
pass
my
inspection
I'm
out
and
nobody
loses
anything.
N
H
D
Comes
in
lower
than
it
kills
the
deal
appraisal.
Doesn't
it
the
only
person
who
knows
the
appraised
value?
Is
your
lender
and
the
buyer?
The
seller
doesn't
know
the
the
appraised
value.
Obviously,
the
down
payment
assistance
program
knows
the
appraised
value,
but
if
the
appraised
value
comes
in
higher
than
the
purchase
price,
it
does
not
kill
the
deal.
N
J
H
The
appraisal
doesn't
affect
the
purchase
price
correct,
but
the
appraisal,
so
you
set
a
contract,
and
this
is
what
they're
purchasing
the
home
for
this
is
the
inspection
period
like
so
it's
basically
the
city's
timeline
city,
government
and
down
payment
assistance
timeline.
Don't
match
real-world
timeline
of
a
real
estate
contract
on
a
real
estate
contract.
You
get
seven
to
ten
days
for
a
home
inspection.
H
J
H
The
appraisal's
ordered
after
that
appraisal
doesn't
affect
the
the
appraisal
is
the
value
of
the
home,
but
it's
in
fact
the
purchase
price
of
the
home.
So
I
see
what
you're
saying
you
have
the
standard.
They
can't
purchase
the
home
for
more
than
what
the
value
is,
but
the
value
never
goes
back
to
the
seller.
We've
already
negotiated
that
price.
This
is
the
purchase
price
of
the
home.
H
The
appraisal
is
more
for
the
bank
to
say
this
home
needs
to
meet
that
purchase
price
and
then,
for
you,
guys,
you're
looking
at
the
appraisal
and
when
the
appraisal
comes
in.
I
actually
don't
know
you
know
you're
if
anything,
they're
just
having
equity.
Now
the
buyer
is
buying
the
home
and
they
have
equity
and
value
in
the
home.
It
doesn't
change
the
amount
that
they're
purchasing.
N
Yeah
lindsay,
we
probably
need
to
talk
one-on-one,
because
I've
seen
what
I've
seen
is
something
different
from
what
you're
saying.
But
you
know
you
know
we
can
work
this
out.
We
can
work
with
again
the
partners
that
do
the
processing
and
kind
of
see
what
challenges
you
guys
are
facing
and
try
to
address
those
challenges.
Yeah.
H
And
I
wonder
if
you,
when
you
talk
to
hud,
if
what
inspection
they're
requiring
because
when
I
worked
for
the
city,
the
hqs
it
was,
we
were
just
kind
of
starting
out,
we
didn't
have
it
before
and
so
hqs
became
an
easy
inspection
to
do
because
it
was
already
happening
with
affordable
housing,
rental
programs.
So
that's
what
we
did.
I
don't
know
if
the
hqs
is
the
actual
required
inspection,
so
it
might
just
be
the.
D
Clearwater
largo
pinellas
county,
all
do
hqs,
pasco
does
not
hillsboro
well,
hillsboro
doesn't
have
one
city
of
tampa
does
and
they
don't
do
an
hqs
either
city
of
st
petersburg
takes
a
copy
of
the
home
inspection
and
goes
through
the
home
inspection
and
anything.
That's
on
the
home.
Inspection
must
be
fixed
before
closing.
N
And
robin
again,
we
will
reach
out.
We
have
a
really
receptive
person
at
hud
right
now.
That
is
our
lead
that
we
can
reach
out
to.
We
will
definitely
pose
this
question
to
that
person
and
see
what
kind
of
feedback
and
I'll
definitely
forward
that
to
you
guys
if
this
housing,
if
the
housing
quality
inspection,
is
absolutely
needed
or
if
we
can
use
the
four
point
that
the
the
buyer
gets
before
purchasing
the
property.
B
It
can,
I
is
this,
a
staffing
challenge
with
the
city.
Is
it
it's.
B
A
I
don't
mean
to
interrupt
the
conversation,
but
I
think
this
is
a
conversation
that
needs
to
happen
at
the
nation
specifically
and
not
in
this
meeting.
So
if
we
can
just
make
a
note
that
we
want
to
have
this
conversation
next
time,
the
nahab
meets.
That
would
be
great
because
I
think
this
is
a
conversation
that
we
need
to
have,
but
that
is
outside
of
what
we're
working
on
currently.
A
N
A
I
So
those
those
those
are
all
very
good
barriers
and
all
very
emergent
now
in
terms
of
incentives,
any
incentives
that
have
come
in
come
to
mind
or
things
that
you
see
as
areas
for
improvement,
either
in
terms
of
process
or
regulation.
I
B
I
think,
with
with
the
inflation
reduction
act,
when
we
have
a
a
lever
about
reducing
the
cost
of
living
for
people
in
affordable
housing,
there
are
all
sorts
of
incentives
that
are
coming
to
help
reduce
living
costs
for
everybody
at
every
income
level.
So
I
think
you
know
we
need
to
get
informed
about
those
and
advocate
for
those.
Those
are
tools
that
you
know.
Single-Family
home
developers
as
well
as
multi-family
or
yeah
developers,
can
can
take
advantage
of
to
lower
the
cost
of
living
for
people.
I
I
think
there's
several
different
places.
We
could
work
that
in
it's,
not
something
that
the
city
would
control
directly,
but
it
could
be
a
matter
of
coordination
or
evaluating
or
providing
information
about.
So
we
can
definitely
look
into
that
I'll
make
a
note
to
see
where
that
would
fit
in.
L
A
I
C
B
I
think
when
we,
you
know
speaking
of
the
hometown
heroes,
I
think
when
we
have
those
incentives
at
the
state
level
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that
affects
our
tax
base
right
and
so
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
get
some
money
back
from
the
state
to
make
up.
For
that
I
mean
absolutely.
I
I'm
in
favor
of
you
know,
rewarding
and
acknowledging
hometown
heroes.
B
L
On
I,
I
would
suggest
so
we're
in
the
process
of
assembling
our
legislative
priorities
for
state
and
federal.
L
A
We'll
bring
it
up
just
the
one
thing
I
want
to
bring
up
is
the
the
first
incentive
area
is
the
expedited
review
process.
Is
that
since
we
just
had
this
conversation
about
dp
assistance
and
how
that
particular
process
basically
hinders
some
of
the
other
processes
we
have
in
place,
would
you
recommend
that
we
put
that
as
a
separate
item
since
it's
not
technically
just
the
review
process?
I
Yeah,
I
think
I
think,
that's
definitely
a
place
to
incorporate
it.
I
think
the
balance
of
that
is
some
of
those
issues
we
can
control
in
some
way.
We
can't,
in
terms
of
city
of
city
of
clearwater
being
able
to
resolve
it.
So
I
think
perhaps
the
recommendation
in
there
which
we
can
discuss
further.
I
The
next
meeting
may
be
along
the
lines
of
looking
into
that
issue
further
and
further
promoting
how
that
can
be
expedited
and
how
that
can
be
coordinated
and
rather
than
actually
at
this
juncture,
coming
up
with
a
specific
resolution,
I
think
there's
more
discussion
that
needs
to
happen
in
terms
to
figure
out
how
how
that
process
can
be
improved
and
who,
whose
responsibility
is
for
that
ultimate
action.
I
So
if
I'm
saying
that
correctly,
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
is,
I
think,
from
the
committee's
recommendation,
it's
more
of
an
investigating
at
this
stage
what
the
appropriate
response
or
solution
would
be.
I
I
know
which
specific
section
you're
talking
about,
so
I
do
think
that
would
be
a
good
place
to
put
it
in
terms
of
process.
I
So
we
can
definitely
look
at
that
so
at
our
next
meeting,
and
I
don't
want
to
take
us
away
from
the
incentives
topic,
but
at
our
next
meeting
we'll
be
looking
at
each
of
the
recommendation
or
incentive
areas
and
the
associated
recommendations
we'll
be
going
one
by
one
and
having
that
evaluation
of.
Do
we
keep
it?
Do
we
revise
it?
Do
we
add
to
it?
Okay,
so
so
that's
what
the
next
step
will
be
so
for
your
homework
between
now
and
and
I'll.
Get
to
this
with
the
slide
as
well.
A
I
Correct
and
so
there's
the
statutory
incentive
areas,
but
then
there's
also
committee-initiated
incentive
areas
if
it
does
not
fit
under
a
statutory
incentive
areas.
We
always
have
the
option
of
incorporating
it
into
that
committee.
Okay,
perfect.
E
As
we're
just
talking
these
incentives-
and
this
may
be
something-
we
want
a
table
for
naha
rather
than
this
committee-
but
how
effective
are
our
incentives?
Are
we
making
an
impact
by
having
these
incentives?
I
don't
know
that
this
is
a
conversation
for
this
committee,
but
I
think
it's
a
conversation.
We
should
have
the
incentives
there.
How
can
we
make
the
incentive
more
effective.
A
B
And
I
had
a
brief
conversation
with
chuck
about
about
the
timeline.
You
know
the
timeline
on
these
earlier
pages.
Well,
there's
I
think
I
I
sent
an
email
about
the
presentation
from
the
florida
housing
coalition
about
affordable
housing,
advisory
committee
orientation,
part
london-
and
you
know
they
have
a
suggested
timeline
on
here.
B
That
has
you
know
it's
sort
of
similar
to
ours,
but
it
has
some
more.
B
It
looks
like
opportunities
for
public
engagement,
and
so
they
designate
staff
and
select
ahac
members
january
through
june
and
july,
through
october,
complete
draft
report
schedule
and
advertise
public
hearing
all
that
stuff.
That
looks
like
we're
kind
of
starting
now,
which
is
you
know,
midish
september,
but
I
said
you
know
they're
starting
way
earlier.
Why
didn't
we
start
earlier
and
he
said
well,
you
know
you
you
don't
you
can
make
it.
B
You
can
do
away
with
a
nahab
and
just
have
it
a
hack
all
along
and
if
we
had
an
a
hack
all
along
you
know,
we'd
have
more
people,
especially
the
developers,
and
you
all
that
that
I
think
enriches
it.
I
I
don't
know
what
the
pros
and
cons
are
of
having
an
a
hack
that
would
meet
year
round,
which
is
like
this
a
hack
timeline,
that's
from
the
state
level,
so
it
might
be
something
to
to
think
about,
because
I
don't
think
the
nahab's
meeting
until
january.
A
Not
necessarily,
I
think
you
know,
if
we
have
something
on
the
agenda,
we
would
still
have
it.
We
would
just
have
it
after
this
meeting
okay,
and
is
that
something
to
answer
your
question?
Is
that
something
that
the
naha
could
discuss
of
the
possibility
of
having
the
ahaki
around
instead
of
or
as
part
of.
L
We
we
certainly
can
discuss
it.
I
would
suggest
you
that
the
a
hack
is
statutorily
defined.
Okay
and
the
nahab's
role
is
different
than
the
a
hack,
so
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
is
narrowly
defined
for
the
purpose
of
the
local
housing
incentive
strategy.
Neighborhood
and
affordable
housing
advisory
board
deals
with
a
consolidated
plan
and
numerous
other
activities
that
are
not
within
the
purview
of
the
a
hack.
So
I
don't
know
that
it's
whether
the
a
hack
is
a
year-round
committee.
I
don't
believe
that
it
would
eliminate
the
mayhap
right.
B
You
know
we
have
the
november
8th
ahack
holds
a
public
hearing
to
approve,
updated
lhis
report,
and
then
the
city
council
holds
public
hearing
to
approve
the
lhis
report
and
submit
to
florida
housing
whatever
finance.
Thank
you,
but
you
know
one.
One
thing
I
have
philosophically
is
the
timing
of
these
meetings.
B
Are
we
really
giving
ourselves
an
opportunity
to
hear
from
the
public
and
allow
that
public
input
to
shape?
What
goes
in
that
report?
Is
there
enough
time
or
is
it
just
this?
Is
our
report
I'll
listen
to
any
comments
you
have,
but
we
don't
have
capacity
time
capacity
to
alter
it
or
come
together
and
have
these
rich
discussions.
A
It's
it's
a
good
point
and
I
it's
a
point
that
I
think
about
a
lot
when
we
meet
at
the
neha,
because
very
often
when
we
meet,
we
have
a
completely
empty
room
and
when
it
comes
to
public
comment,
because
it's
a
tuesday
at
nine
o'clock,
nobody
is
here
to
comment.
I
think
it's
a
fair
conversation
to
have.
I
don't
know
that
this
is
the
place
or
time
to
have
it,
but
I
think
it's
a
fair
conversation
to
have,
especially
because
it
affects
the
residents
to
say.
Is
it
something
that
we
need
to?
A
Is
it
something
that
we
can
even
move
to
a
specific
or
time
that
would
be
more
appropriate
or
a
date
that
would
be
more
appropriate
or
even
just
even
if
it's
just
once
every
quarter
so
that
we
can
still
have
you
know
times
different
times
or
different
days?
That
may
work
better
for
for
public
sessions
and
in
general
I
feel
like
that's
how
the
city
does
it
when
we
have?
L
The
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
does
not
require
public
engagement.
You
all
chose
last
year
and
we're
continuing
this
year
to
have
a
public
comment
opportunity
for
during
the
meetings,
but
the
state
does
not
require
public
engagement
in
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee,
but
for
the
discussion
that
occurs
at
council
in
december.
L
So
certainly
we're
encouraging
it.
You
all
supported
it
and
it
remains
a
part
of
our
agenda
to
have
public
comment.
Nahab,
on
the
other
hand,
does
require
that,
as
you've
said,
camille,
it's
very
difficult
to
have.
People
show
up
and
provide
input,
or,
quite
frankly,
to
even
understand
the
foreign
language
that
we're
often
discussing
for.
For
many,
it's
not
a
you
know.
L
Whether
that
means-
and
you
know
you
all-
are
wanting
to
move
the
naha
or
even
the
ahex,
as
we
are
allowing
public
engagement
to
a
different
time
of
day
or
different
day
of
week.
We
can
certainly
discuss
that.
Obviously,
we'll
have
to
be
in
consultation
with
the
official
records
legislative
services
and
our
public
communications
departments
that
produces
the
meetings
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
can
comply
with
all
the
requirements
associated
with
that
not
suggesting
that
we
couldn't
do
it
just
gonna
take
a
bit
to
figure
it
out.
A
I
don't
know
how
the
entire
committee
feels
about
this,
and
so
I
don't
want
to
speak
on
behalf
of
everyone,
so
I
would
rather
hear
what
the
committee
thinks
so
that
we
can
either
table
this.
I
mean
at
the
end
of
the
day.
A
B
And
then,
as
we're
as
we're
finishing
up
this
meeting,
do
you
think
it's
valuable
to
have
people
on
this
board?
You
know
look
through
the
the
consolidated
plan,
because
that's
what
we
operate
off
of.
I
So
the
so
the
consolidated
plan,
if
you're
referring
to
the
consolidated
plan
for
cdbg
and
home,
is
specific
to
the
federal
grant
program.
The
ahack
is
specific
to
the
state
ship
program,
so
it's
a
little
bit
different
in
terms
of
how
those
programs
are
administered
and
also
the
available
the
available
and
eligible
activities
under
each
of
those
programs
they're
similar
but
but
different.
So
the
consolidated
plan
really
doesn't
govern
this
particular
this
particular
process.
I
This
particular
process
is
limited
to
the
local
housing
incentive
strategy
and
the
lhap
under
ship,
but
you
know
in
terms
of
relationship
to
affordable
housing.
Yes,
there's
a
large
consolidated
plant
process
that
involves
greater
public
input.
I
think
than
this
process
that
documents
the
input
that
was
received
through
that
which
relates
to
affordable
housing.
So,
yes,
is
it
beneficial,
maybe
to
look
at
the
consolidated
plan
and
the
information
that
was
collected
during
that
five-year
cycle?
L
I
L
I
And
just
to
keep
in
mind
that
that
that
consolidated
plan
gets
updated
every
five
years,
so
you
know
we're
coming
around
to
in
a
couple
years.
Actually
it's
coming
really
fast.
I
Another
consolidated
plan
cycle
where
that
data
data
will
be
recollected
and
updated,
and
now
we
have
the
2020
census
data,
which
is
provides
more
updated
information
where
I
believe
the
previous
iteration
of
the
plan
was
looking
back
at
american
community
survey
data
for
the
interim,
so
that
that
real,
true
census
data
wasn't
available
yet
so
the
next
one
may
bring
us
up
to
a
different
place
in
terms
of
some
of
the
information
that's
in
there.
I
All
right
so
so
now
we're
in
the
recommendation
phase,
so
so
everyone's
handout
you've
received
the
2021
lhis
reports.
Your
homework
between
now
and
the
next
meeting,
which
will
be
on
october
11th,
is
to
read
the
previous
report,
evaluate
each
recommendation
and
then
decide
whether
that
recommendation
should
be
continued,
modified
or
removed.
I
So
again,
our
next
meeting
is
october.
11Th
it'll
be
right
here
so
same
place,
and
if
you
have
any
questions
in
the
interim,
please
reach
out
to
chuck-
or
I
know
denise
as
well,
and
they
can
assist
you
with
any
questions
in
the
interim.
Please
be
reminded
that
that
november
meeting,
which
is
currently
shown
as
november
8th
in
your
materials,
that's
going
to
be
november
7th,
which
will
be
the
monday
election
day.
E
A
Okay,
yeah
we're
not
done.
Thank
you
all
right.
Do
you
want
to
make
your
comment
first,
or
do
you
want
me
to
invite
people
from
the
public
to
speak?
First.
G
I'd
like
to
just
ask
for
this
I'd
like
to
get
some
information
for
the
next
meeting.
G
G
L
G
G
G
L
A
I
and
I
think,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
that
that
may
be
a
conversation
for
them
they
have
and
maybe
not
for
the
hack
because
of
the
mission
of
both
departments,
but
it's
good
to
bring
up
before
we
move
on
from
item
2.1.
Does
anyone
from
the
public
wish
to
speak
to
this
particular
item?
A
O
Hi,
I'm
brian
beckman.
I
live
in
clearwater
last
night,
bec
kman
here
with
the
sierra
club
here
today.
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
a
couple
of
specific
points
that
I
heard
talked
about
earlier
when
it
came
to
energy
and
reducing
the
cost
of
living
in
a
home
or
whether
you
own
it
or
whether
you
rent
it,
and
there
are
two
specific
goals
in
greenprint
that
relate
directly
to
energy
and
affordable
housing.
O
Now
to
my
understanding
that
would
apply
to
both
existing
homes,
as
well
as
to
new
homes,
to
be
considered
as
far
as
what
your
committee
here
is
considering
and
then
specifically
related
to
incentives.
O
I'd
like
to
emphasize
what
I
heard
discussed
here
earlier
was
concentrated
a
bit
on
the
inflation
reduction
act,
which
is
great.
There
are
specific
provisions
in
that
that
deal
directly
with
affordable
housing,
not
just
for
anybody,
but
specifically
for
affordable
housing
to
reduce
those
costs.
O
What
I'd
ask
your
committee
to
consider
is
pairing
with
those
specific
incentives
to
make
them
even
more
effective,
so
take
an
example
of
what
dunedin
is
doing,
so
they
already
offer
up
to
it's
either
2000
or
I
think
it
might
be
racist,
you're,
the
2500
per
home
off
of
your
solar
installation.
O
That's
an
example
of
that.
That's
on
top
of
the
federal
incentive
that
just
went
up
to
30
as
far
as
the
inflation
reduction
act.
So
that's
one
example.
You
could
be
doing
that
in
other
areas
as
well,
if
you
wanted
to
make
that
even
more
attractive
for
whether
it's
a
developer
for
a
multi-um
family
dwelling
or
whether
it's
a
single-family
home
or
even
for
existing
homes
is
to
pair
that
opportunity
from
the
inflation
reduction
act
with
a
specific
action
that
the
city
might
entertain
to
make
that
even
more
attractive.
O
A
Okay,
great,
we
are
moving
on
to
item
number
three
citizens
to
be
heard
regarding
items
not
on
the
agenda
is
that
anyone
is
there?
Anyone
here
wishing
to
speak
on
the
on
an
item
not
on
today's
agenda:
okay,
seeing
no
one
come
forward,
I'd
like
to
ask
denise
anderson
if
she
has
anything
else
to
report
to
the
committee.
L
Not
really
thank
you
I
may
have
covered
all
of
that.
The
reason
we
can't
be
here
on
tuesday
is
not
just
that
it's
election
day,
but
that
this
is
a
polling
place.
It's
a
little
bit
challenging.
So
I
did
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
quorum
for
the
november
8th,
so
nodding
of
the
heads.
If
people
have
had
an
opportunity
gabby,
I
believe
you
had
a
conflict
for
excuse
me
november,
7th
at
9
00
a.m.
L
Anybody
else
having
a
challenge:
okay,
seeing
really
none,
that's
kind
of
we're
going
to
have
the
ahack
meeting
first,
unlike
previous
years,
we're
going
to
hold
the
ahack
meeting
first,
followed
by
the
neha
meeting,
and
we
will
have
a
nehab
meeting
for
you
members
on
november,
the
7th
we
have
some
action
items
for
that.
B
I
just
have
a
request,
maybe
if,
if
our
consultant,
if
you
could,
could
you
maybe
share
with
us
a
hack
recommendations
from
some
surrounding
municipalities,
like
maybe
orlando,
st
p,
tampa
what
what
are
they
looking
at
creatively
just
to
just
to
have
some
context
of.
I
I
don't
have
that
information
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
what
I
can
do
between
now
and
the
next
meeting
is
research.
What's
up
yeah
and.
I
Via
email
write,
a
a
sheet,
that'd
be
fantastic,
and
then
that
way
you
can
see
what
what
other
jurisdictions
are.