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Modern technology provides alternatives for energy use, but what is real and what is hype? Make decisions that support living a greener lifestyle, which matches your daily needs and your pocketbook, while avoiding overspending and scams at the same time. Learn how to do that by hearing from nonprofit experts and a panel of everyday users like yourself at the city of Clearwater’s 3rd annual sustainability conference.
A
I'd
like
to
begin
by
asking
Melody
yin
to
just
raise
her
hand,
is
she
here
somewhere
anyway
Melody
there?
She
is
back
there
Melody.
Could
you
raise
your
hand
for
one
second,
Melody
Melody
is
a
sustainability
coordinator
for
the
city
of
Clearwater,
and
she
has
a
major
responsibility
for
organizing
this
event
and
Glenna
Wentworth
of
the
Suncoast
Sierra
Club
has
also
been
a
planner
Glenna,
so
I
heard
a
second
ago
there.
She
is,
and
also
want
to
thank
you
to
the
volunteers
that
have
shown
up
today
to
help
us
today.
A
A
We
may
be
having
to
cut
some
speakers
short
because
we
don't
want
to
get
it
to
where
the
last
speaker
runs
out
of
time,
and
you
don't
have
time
to
hear
that
person
we're
going
to
have
a
stretch
break
in
the
program
and
at
that
time
we're
going
to
do
some
raffling
and
we
have
some
nice
prizes
here
and
they
were
donated
from
the
city
of
of
Clearwater
and
from
the
Suncoast
Sierra
Club
and
from
the
Clearwater
neighborhoods
coalition.
A
We'll
begin.
The
the
is
this
session
with
the
question
of
affordability,
because
we
know
that
many
of
you,
that's
in
the
back
of
your
mind,
can
I
really
afford
this.
So
don't
head
for
the
door
until
you
hear
our
first
presentation,
because
it
doesn't
mean
that
you
can't
afford
it.
Just
hang
in
there
from
there
we're
going
to
go
on
to
a
a
discussion
of
money.
Saving
tips
that
you
can
use
at
home
then
to
solar
energy
and
they'll,
be
followed
by
a
panel
discussion
and
to
electric
powered
vehicles
again.
A
A
panel
discussion
there'll
be
a
10-minute
period
to
allow
you
questions
after
each
presentation.
If
you
don't
get
a
chance
to
answer
your
question,
you'll
see
that
present
presenters
will
have
on
these
red
tags
and
you'll
be
able
to
answer
your
questions
on
your
way
out.
Today
we
have
electric
powered
vehicles,
they'll
be
put
in
the
parking
lot.
A
You'll
be
able
to
go
up
to
them,
see
them
and
ask
questions
of
the
of
the
owners,
so
I'd
like
to
introduce
our
first
Speaker
Rob
Perry
is
Rob
here:
okay,
Rob,
okay,
Rob
is
a
gulf
coast
program
manager
for
the
solar
energy
Loan
Fund.
This
is
a
non-profit
organization
with
a
mission
to
provide
affordable
and
Innovative
funding
for
sustainable
property
improvements,
focusing
on
low
and
moderate
income,
neighborhoods
Rob.
C
B
All
right,
so
it's
a
nice
little
stoop
here:
okay,
it's
a
beautiful
Saturday
morning
out
there
in
in
the
State
of
Florida,
with
with
sustainability
and
solar.
This
is
why
we
live
in
this
area.
I
mean
beautiful
weather
out
there,
so
my
name
is
Rob
Perry
I'm,
the
director
I'm,
the
Gulf
Coast
manager
for
solar
energy
and
Loan
Fund.
It's.
It
stands
for
self,
and
this
morning,
I'm
going
to
talk
to
you
about
why
we
came
to
be
the
people
that
we
help
how
we
help
them.
B
I'm
going
to
talk
about
it
from
A
to
Z
and
I'm,
going
to
talk
to
you
first
about
our
history,
how
we
got
started
why
our
Founders
started
this
organization?
Okay,
so
let
me
make
sure
this
is
working.
B
There
we
go
so
it's
working.
So
let's
talk
about
our
history,
we
began
back
in
2009.
We
were
started
by
a
gentleman
named
Doug
coward.
He
was
actually
a
county
commissioner
in
in
St,
Lucie
County
and
his
his
thing
was.
He
wanted
to
know
that.
Why
was
only
why
only
the
rich
people
were
able
to?
Oh
sorry
about
that.
Oh,
why
only
the
rich
people
were
able
to
to
get
solar
on
their
homes.
Why
were
they
the
only
ones
afforded
this,
so
he
he?
B
He
started
a
crusade
to
be
able
to
get
low
to
moderate
income
families
to
be
able
to
get
solo
on
their
on
their
homes
and
have
more
sustainable
homes,
and
this
was
one
of
the
things
that
that
was
was
near
and
dear
to
his
heart
and
he
actually
made
it
happen,
and
here
it
is
in
2023
I'm
going
to
talk
about
some
of
the
the
dollars
that
we've
lent
out
so
far.
So
this
just
kind
of
talks
about
our
history
I
don't
really
need
to
go
deep
into
detail,
but
it
does.
B
The
third
bullet
says
self,
as
a
certified
community
development,
financial
institution
at
cdfi.
Basically,
just
means
in
layman's
terms
we're
we're
authorized
through
the
U.S
treasury
to
to
loan
funds
all
right,
so
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
next
slide
here
all
right.
Okay
and
that's
the
picture
of
Doug
right,
there
turned
out
to
be
a
really
good
friend
of
mine,
I've
been
with
him
for
five
years
now.
This
is
our
ex
our
excellent
executive
director
Mrs
Dewan
Andrade.
So
this
is
just
a
little
bit
about
them.
B
I
don't
need
to
really
go
into
detail,
but
he's
a
handsome
gentleman
and
very
beautiful
young
lady
there
right
not
as
quite
as
handsome
as
me,
but
I'm
just
kidding
all
right.
So
this
is
our
mission.
Mrs
Cunningham
just
spoke
about.
Our
mission
is
to
rebuild
and
Empower
underserved
communities
that
first
line
basically
says
it
all
there
are.
You
should
hear
some
of
the
the
people
that
are
crying
on
the
phone
when
they
have
a
leak.
A
leaking
roof
and
they've
tried
to
go
to
the
bank.
B
They've
tried
to
borrow
from
family
members
and
they
just
couldn't
get
it
done,
and
then
they
call
me
and
I'm
able
to
give
them
the
12
or
13
thousand
dollars
to
get
their
roof
replaced.
I
mean
they're
literally
asking.
Where
is
your
office?
I
need
to
give
you
a
hug.
You
know
it's
just
people
who
are
in
the
middle
of
summer,
their
air
conditioner
breaks
and
they
don't
have
the
seven
thousand
or
eight
thousand
dollars
to
replace
that
air,
conditioner
and
and
we're
able
to
get
that
done
for
them.
B
I
mean
they're,
actually
looking
for
me
and
they
they
just
this
program,
has
actually
had
people
in
tears
on
the
phone.
So
that
is
why
I
love
working
for
this
organization,
all
right.
But
if
you've
read
our
mission,
like
I
said
it,
it
encompasses
what
we're
all
about,
but
that
first
line
is,
is
what
we're
really
about
all
right.
So
what
do
we
Finance?
Okay
and
I
I
apologize,
I
didn't
bring
my
sheet
up
here.
I've
been
here
for
five
years.
B
I
shouldn't
know
all
this,
but
I
really
can't
see
it,
but
some
of
the
things
that
we
Finance
we
Finance
solar.
We
Finance
sewer
to
we
Finance
lateral
lines,
a
lot
of
people,
their
homes
are
backed
up
and
it's
it's
like
six
seven
thousand
dollars.
Sometimes
it
could
be
as
low
as
three
thousand
to
replace
the
lateral
line.
So
we
will
finance
that
for
them
we
will
finance
Windows
Doors
anything
to
make
your
home
more
energy
efficient.
B
We
will
finance
it
okay,
so
these
are
some
of
the
things
that
we
will
finance,
even
aging
and
in
place.
So
some
people
will
call
me
and
say:
hey
I
need
a
wheelchair
ramp.
It's
going
to
be
3,
500
I,
don't
have
it
so
we'll
take
care
of
that.
For
them
they
need
their
cabinets
Lord.
They
need
a
walk-in
shower
so
Aging
in
place,
disability
upgrades.
We
will
finance
those
items
as
well.
D
B
Okay,
so
this
basically
goes
back
into
some
of
those
improvements
that
we
talked
about:
energy
conservation
and
efficiencies
like
lighting
I
have
a
lot
of
people,
especially
when
the
hurricane
came
through.
They
had
a
lot
of
electrical
issues,
so
we
were.
We
were
financing
electrical
work,
people's
whole
houses
needed
to
be
rewired,
it
was
I,
didn't
realize
it
could
cost
that
much,
but
it
was
anywhere
from
ten
to
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
They
didn't
have
it
so
I
made
sure
that
we
were
able
to
get
those
items
financed
for
them.
B
Our
renewable
energy,
of
course,
solar
climate
resilience,
that's
the
roof,
repairs
impact,
Windows
Doors
hurricane
shutters,
which
is
really
huge
around
May,
is
when
I'll
get
all
of
the
phone
calls
from
hurricane
shutters
water
quality,
okay,
disability
modifications.
I
just
spoke
about
that
miscellaneous
20
of
General
Home
Improvements.
So
that's,
let's
just
say
someone
needs
a
new
roof,
but
the
water
damage
their
floors.
Okay,
we
don't
really
Finance
new
floors,
but
if
it
if
the
Leaky
Roof
damage
your
floors,
that's
where
that
miscellaneous
comes
into
play.
E
B
Okay,
so
let's
talk
about
so
this,
so
a
lot
of
people
say
well
Rob,
you
guys
are
you
say,
you're,
a
non-profit
lender.
You
know
what
makes
you
so
different
from
any
bank
or
any
credit
union.
So
these
are
the
differentiators
right
here.
Okay,
self
loans
help
build
and
rebuild
credit
and
create
more
more
sustainable
homes
and
contractors
below
market
rate
financing,
often
saving
10
to
20
on
interest
rates.
So
before
I
came
here,
I
managed
the
banks.
I
was
my
managed.
B
A
Wells
Fargo
for
a
few
years
managed
like
four
locations
for
a
local
credit
union,
so
I
knew
I
did
underwriting
for
you.
E
B
A
hundred
and
eighty
thousand
dollar
Porsche
all
the
way
to
300
secure
card,
so
I
I
know
about
interest
rates.
So
when
someone
comes
to
me-
and
they
say
you
know-
hey
I
need
a
new
roof
and
it's
going
to
be
twelve
thousand
dollars
and
it's
an
unsecured
loan
and
I'm
able
to
give
that
to
them
at
seven
percent
or
eight
percent.
That's
that's
just
phenomenal!
Okay,
because
I
know
what
the
interest
rates
interest
rates
looks
like
for
for
an
unsecured
loan.
B
So
if
you're
putting
up
your
house
doing
a
HELOC,
yes,
three
percent,
but
if
you
don't
pay,
they
can
take
your
house.
These
loans
are
strictly
unsecured.
Okay,
our
contractor
Network.
All
of
our
contractors
are
vetted
okay,
so
we're
going
to
make
sure
they
have
the
proper
license.
Proper
Insurance
we're
going
to
check
the
Google
reviews.
Better
Business,
Bureau
ratings
make
sure
they
don't
have
any
liens
against
their
license.
B
So
we're
going
to
make
sure
that
these
contractors
are
going
to
do
right
by
you
and
that's
a
part
of
my
job
as
well.
All
right
so
and
you
can
select
any
contractor
you
want,
but
we
will
have
to
vet
that
contractor-
and
this
is
a
huge
differentiator
project-
coordination.
B
Okay,
so
that's
where
I
cut
where
I'm
involved
I
have
you
know
a
lot
of
women
who
don't
really
know
about
they're
they're,
so
afraid
the
contract
is
going
to
take
advantage
of
them
and
some
of
the
guys
too
they're
not
sure
if
they're
getting
a
good
value
or
not
that's
where
I
come
in
I
can
look
at
that.
That
estimate,
I
can
say:
hey
Mr
contractor.
B
What's
this,
this
person
doesn't
need
this
or
I
can
say
if
it's
a
new
roof,
I
can
say:
Hey
where's
the
win
mitigation
report,
they're
going
to
need
that
to
lower
their
homeowners
insurance.
Why
isn't
it
here?
You
know,
so
those
are
the
things
that
I
come
in
to
help
the
person
so
I
work
for
you,
I,
don't
work
for
the
contractors
all
right,
and
just
just
some
of
the
lending
programs
cdfi.
That's
us!
That's!
When
we're
going
to
give
you
the
money.
B
Kiva
has
I
won't
ask
if
any
I'm
gonna
try
to
go
as
quick
as
I
can.
But
everyone
knows
what
GoFundMe
is
correct:
everybody
yeah
GoFundMe,
so
Kiva
is
like
a
GoFundMe
worldwide
organization.
Okay,
they
work
with
about
12
12
companies
here
in
the
U.S,
but
let's
just
say,
I
have
a
person,
their
credit
isn't
the
best.
We
try
not
to
decline
anybody,
but,
let's
just
say
their
credit,
isn't
the
best,
so
we
will
send
them
through
Kiva
Kiva
has
about
three
to
four
million
investors
around
the
world.
B
Everybody
will
send
in
25
until
we
have
enough
money
to
get
that
air
conditioner
replaced,
and
then
we
that's
how
we
get
some
people
financed
all
right,
Halo,
that's
for
the
people
when
I
when
I
spoke
about
the
the
disability
upgrades
water
quality
loans
and
the
last
two
are
some
things
we
recently
added
over
the
last
couple
of
years
for
landlord,
who
have
several
properties
that
need
work
and
developers
who
are
who
are
building
properties
and
will
need
to
add
energy
efficient
upgrades
all
right.
So
those
last
two.
B
If
anyone
has
questions
about
those,
those
are
different.
Gentlemen,
that
take
care
of
that
I
can
connect
you
with
them,
but
everything
else
is
my
expertise
all
right.
So
these
are
just
some
of
the
local
partners
that
we
have.
You
can
take
a
peek
at
those
I'm
going
for
time's
sake,
I'm
just
going
to
keep
it
moving
all
right,
contractor
benefits,
I'm,
not
sure.
B
If
there
are
any
contractors
in
here
or
if
you
know
any
contractors,
but
the
beautiful
thing
about
working
with
self
is
we
don't
have
any
dealer
fees,
it's
completely
free
to
to
work
with
our
organization
and
to
offer
our
financing.
So
that
way
the
contractors
can
can
use
their
cash
price
you'll
see
on
the
air
conditioner
they'll
say:
if
you're
writing
a
check
or
paying
cash.
Is
this
price?
If
you're
financing
is
this
price?
Which
is
higher?
B
That's
because
they're
financing
organizations
charge
them
fees,
so
we
don't
want
and
they
pass
that
right
on
to
you
correct
so
with
with
self
financing.
They
don't
have
to
do
that
because
it's
totally
free
to
use
us.
The
next
thing
is
this:
there,
like
I,
said:
there's
no
dealer
fees
and
we
allow
those
contractors
to
make
more
money,
because
sometimes
in
the
low
to
moderate
income
areas,
they
don't
have
the
check
to
to
pay
you
thirteen
thousand
for
a
roof,
so
usually
they
have
to
leave.
They
have
to
leave
that
business
on
the
table.
B
B
All
right,
just
a
success
story
here:
I
didn't
actually
do
Sylvia's
alone,
but
I
wish
I
had,
but
I
know
her.
She,
it
was
a
really
hot
summer.
She
was
one
of
the
ones,
one
of
the
clients
who
who
just
did
not
have
the
the
ability
to
write
that
check
for
her
air
conditioner,
so
self
came
in.
We
were
able
to
get
her
that
new
air
conditioner
and
she
was
forever
grateful
and
I.
B
She
had
some
some
health
issues
or
a
family
member
that
had
some
health
health
issues
and
it
just
wouldn't
have
been
well
good
for
her
to
have
a
hot
summer
in
her
home.
All
right
self
results.
I,
don't
know
if
this
would
be
important
to
anybody,
but
the
gentleman
that's
that's!
Behind
the
desk.
There,
that's
Mr
Roy
de
Gaines
he's
been
with
us
for
about
seven
years,
so
he's
been
around
for
a
while,
but
40
million
dollars
raised
leveraging
90
million
in
projects.
B
So
you
got
to
think
that's
a
lot
of
money
for
a
financing
company,
that's
doing
primarily
air
conditioners
and
roofs
and
windows.
That's
a
lot
of
money,
but
I
want
to
want
you
to
focus
on
that.
Third
bullet
74
percent
of
self-clients
have
been
low
to
moderate
income
clients
that
is
huge,
I
know.
I
was
teasing.
B
A
lady
in
here
I
said:
I
know
you're
a
millionaire,
but
if
you,
if
you
ever
don't
want
to
use
your
own
funds,
I
said
I'll
Finance
those
windows
for
you,
but
but
everybody
doesn't
have
everybody's,
not
a
millionaire.
So
we
do
have
people
that
actually
that
actually
need
our
help
and
74
of
the
people
that
we
that
we
help
are
low
to
moderate
income,
and
the
next
big
thing
is
average
default
rate
is
below
two
percent.
So
our
financing
is
a
lot
different.
We
don't
look
at
your
credit
score.
B
Okay,
we
look
at
two
things:
we're
going
to
look
at
your
ability
to
pay
so
we'll
look
at
your
monthly
income
versus
your
monthly
expenses,
and
if
you
have
enough
disposable
income
at
the
end
of
the
month,
then
we'll
that
bodes
well
for
you,
then
the
next
thing
we'll
look
at
is
your
pay
history
on
your
credit
report.
So
we'll
look
at
the
last
two
years
just
to
make
sure
nothing
glaring
is
there
and
then
we
will.
B
We
will
extend
the
loan
to
you,
so
we're
not
looking
at
your
credit
score
we're
basically
just
looking
at
your
ability
to
pay.
So
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
that
we
look
at
so
that's
how
we're
able
to
get
a
lot
of
people
financed
and
low
to
moderate
income
areas,
and
our
underwriting
is
really
good,
because
we
only
have
a
two
percent
default
rate.
All.
E
B
Oh
look
at
that
gentleman
all
right.
So
so!
Yes,
that's
me!
Oh
I
had
a
beard
back
then.
So
this
is
my
information.
That's
my
direct
cell
phone
number
with
the
company
that
is
my
email
address
and
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'm
going
to
be
hanging
around
I'll,
be
in
the
back
to
answer
your
questions
and
like
Mrs
Cunningham
said
you
know,
there's
going
to
be
time
constraints
so
hopefully
I
didn't
go
over.
My
time
did
I
go
with
my
time
is
Cunningham
I'm.
B
All
right,
so
thank
you,
everybody
for
giving
me
your
time
on
this
beautiful
Saturday
morning.
Thank
you,
Miss
Melody,
for
inviting
me
like
I,
said
I
will
be
hanging
around
and
you
guys
have
a
great
Saturday.
G
B
They're
definitely
interested
in
that
we
partner
with
a
lot
of
non-profits,
like
with
Miss
Julia
in
the
back
with
son,
so
we
definitely
partner
with
habitat
I,
get
a
lot
of
loans
from
them,
because
sometimes
people
aren't
qualified
when
they
need
things
for
their
for
the
Habitat
homes.
That
they've
been
there
for
a
while,
so
they'll
send
me
people
to
to
finance
so
yes,
we
we
are
open
to
partnering
with
other
non-profits
sure.
B
No
no
no
sounds
like
he
was
asking
about
the
the
interest
rate.
The
three
percent
for
solo
loans
is
that
what
you're
asking
about
the
the
interest
rates
are
going
to
range
from
five
percent
to
9.99?
Now
one
thing
I
always
tell
my
clients
is
I.
Want
you
to
do
what's
best
for
you.
B
If
your
credit
is
really
really
good
and
your
solar
contract
is
offering
you
2.5
or
3
percent,
you're
crazy,
not
to
take
it,
but
you
just
have
to
make
sure
you're
looking
at
all
of
the
fine
print
to
ensure
that
that
three
percent
isn't
actually
something
else
years
down
the
line.
Okay.
So,
but
to
answer
your
question,
our
interest
rates
are
going
to
range
from
5
to
9.99
percent
and
anyone
else.
B
Oh,
hang
on
ma'am
I'll
get
the
young
man
in
the
front
he's
looking
around
like.
B
The
length
is
going
to
be
anywhere
from
five
years
to
a
maximum
of
10
years
but
maximum
of
10
years,
and
we're
pretty
flexible
on
that.
If
I
have
a
client
we're
giving
them
five
years
and
the
the
payment
doesn't
comfortably
fit
into
their
budget,
then
I
will
give
them
six
or
seven
years.
Our
goal
is
to
make
sure
that
the
payment
comfortably
fits
in
your
budget.
We
don't
want
anybody
deciding
if
they're
going
to
pay
self
for
the
roof
or
eat.
B
So
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
that
we're
flexible
for
our
clients,
you're
welcome
ma'am
in
the
back.
B
Anybody
is
eligible,
we
have
the
State
of
Florida
Georgia,
Alabama
and
South
Carolina,
so
anyone
who
lives
in
those
states
are
eligible
for
our
program.
B
B
You
can
take
the
credit
yourself,
anyone
else.
Thank
you
very
much.
It's
been
a
pleasure
speaking
for
you
this
morning
and
I
will
be
hanging
around
if
you
think
about
anything
else.
Thank
you.
A
Well,
I
hope,
I
hope
that
this
made
some
of
you
more
comfortable
that
this
some
of
these
Solutions
might
be
something
that
you
actually
can
afford.
A
A
You
probably
don't
know
and
sometimes
disadvantages.
This
is
one
time
where
you're,
probably
not
an
advantage,
I'd
like
to
introduce
our
next
speaker
and
that's
Brian,
Beckman
Brian.
It's
the
current
chair
of
the
Suncoast
Sierra
group
executive
committee.
If
you're
a
fan
of
wmnf
88.5
the
sustainability
show
on
Monday,
you
probably
heard
him.
A
He
has
led
various
Sierra
ready
for
100
campaigns
across
Pinellas
County
in
Brian's
spare
time.
He
helps
residents
small
businesses,
non-profits
and
churches
to
reduce
their
energy
bills
and
their
carbon
footprint.
If
you've
attended
some
of
our
previous
conferences,
you
probably
are
familiar
with
Brian
also,
but
Brian
is
going
to
tell
us
about
ways
that
you
can
reduce
your
energy
usage
and
save
money.
A
C
It
looks
like
right
good
morning:
everybody
I
am
going
to
start
my
time
clock
up
here
for
myself,
oh
fantastic,
so
what
I'm
going
to
talk
to
you
today
are
really
I'm
going
to
try
to
concentrate
on
things
that
I've
done
in
my
home.
C
So
these
are
all
things
that
I
have
personal
experiences
with,
and
we
started
out
on
this
journey
close
to
five
years
ago,
where
we
looked
at
our
energy
consumption
in
our
home,
we
drove
that
energy
consumption
down
various
ways,
I'm
going
to
talk
to
you
about,
then
we
added
solar
and
we
achieved
Net
Zero
by
doing
those
multiple
things
together
and
we
also
have
two
electric
cars.
So
we
charge
our
cars
off
of
that
same
electricity
and
still
our
Net
Zero.
So
we
don't
pay
money
for
gasoline
in
our
cars
either.
C
So
that's
what
I'm
going
to
talk
to
you
about
here.
So
this
is
a
look
at
our
Energy
bill.
If
you
have
solar,
your
energy
bill
will
look
a
little
bit
different
shows
you,
the
pluses
and
minuses
of
energy
that
you
send
out
to
the
grid
energy
that
you
pull
back
from
the
grid
and
the
net
of
those
two.
This
is
showing
the
electricity
bill
of
a
certain
month.
C
Last
year
there
was
one
month
there
in
January,
where
I
consumed
a
little
bit
more
than
what
it
is
that
I
generated,
but
all
the
other
months,
where
it
netted
zero
and
then
what
happens
with
the
net
metering
loss
that
we
have
in
the
state.
The
power
company
will
provide
a
check
to
you
at
the
end
of
the
year.
Actually,
it's
February
I
think
is
when
they
cut
that
check
for
any
extra
electricity
that
you
generate
and
one
of
the
things
I'll
mention
before
I
go
on
any
of
these
things.
C
I
don't
get
to
here
today,
I
have
up
there
on
a
board
back
there
to
describe
a
lot
of
things
on
my
home,
and
certainly
you
can
ask
me
questions
later
as
well.
So
the
thing
that
I
would
ask
people
to
do
to
try
to
look
at
how
they
can
either
approach
or
reach
Net
Zero.
C
You
have
to
set
goals
you
have
to,
and
this
is
the
same
for
whether
your
city,
whether
you're
a
business,
a
church,
Etc,
look
at
what
you
want
to
do
and
track
that
usage
get
a
free
home
energy
audit,
our
local
provider
here
in
Pinellas
County
is
Duke.
You
can
call
them
up
or
online
and
schedule
a
home
energy
audit.
That's
really
important
and
practice
conservation
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
C
C
Okay,
next
slide.
Okay,
so
here
I
wanted
to
emphasize
a
little
bit
more
about
the
home
energy
audit
again.
This
is
this
is
true
whether
you're
a
homeowner.
This
is
true
whether
you're
a
condo
association,
it's
true
business,
Etc
condo
across
the
street
from
me,
they
called
up
Duke
had
them
come,
do
a
re-evaluation
of
their
build.
They
saved
700
for
the
year
instantly,
just
by
restructuring
the
way
that
their
bill
is
set
up
so
important
from
that
perspective,
but
it's
also
important
as
a
Gateway.
C
As
far
as
duke
is
concerned,
to
be
able
to
realize
rebates
some
of
the
rebates.
You
cannot
get
those
rebates
unless
you
have
a
home
energy
audit
first
and
it's
free
so
very
important
for
that.
I
will
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
incentives
from
the
inflation
reduction
act.
They
are
numerous.
They
are
much
more
in
amount
and
in
the
number
of
appliances
that
are
available
through
the
inflation
reduction
Act.
C
Okay,
so
one
of
the
first
things
that
we
did
in
our
home
is
switch
out.
Our
hot
water
heater.
We
had
an
electric
hot
water
heater.
Many
people
probably
have
that
in
their
home
and
switch
it
out
with
a
heat
pump,
heat
pump,
hot
water
heater.
You
don't
need
to
know
how
that
works.
You
just
need
to
know
that
it
uses
a
lot
less
energy
than
what
a
traditional
hot
water
heater
is.
The
cost
that
I
have
up
here.
C
Mark
pointed
this
out
to
me:
that's
the
cost
that
it
was
for
me
when
I
had
it
installed
about
four
or
five
years
ago.
Those
costs
have
gone
up
a
little
bit
for
those
hot
water
heaters
themselves,
I
think,
probably
depending
on
the
size
of
the
one
might
be
at
about
fifteen
hundred
dollars
and
go
up
from
there.
C
That's
before
that,
you
take
advantage
of
of
I,
don't
think
Duke
has
rebates
for
that,
but
the
inflation
reduction
act.
You
can
get
30
off
for
an
income
tax
credit
as
well
as,
if
you're
what's
considered
to
be
lower
or
moderate
income,
you
might
be
able
to
get
the
full
cost
of
that
Appliance
rebated
through
the
inflation
reduction
Act.
C
So,
from
my
perspective,
save
over
about
three
hundred
dollars
a
year,
one
of
the
things
that
I'll
show
you.
If
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
This
is
actually
an
app
that
comes
with
the
hot
water
heater.
If
you
were
going
to
buy
one
now,
it
allows
you
to
do
similar
things
that
you
could
do
with
your
air
conditioning.
C
C
If,
if
you
have
an
electric
hot
water
heater,
most
of
your
hot
water
heaters
are
difficult
to
control
that
you
have
to
pull
off
a
panel,
get
a
screwdriver
turn
a
dial
or,
if
you're,
diligent
enough,
you
can
go
up
to
your
power
panel
and
switch
off
the
breaker
to
turn
those
off.
You
know
for
if
you're
gone,
total,
maybe
one
or
two
weeks
a
year,
that's
a
lot
of
energy.
That
is
a
another
key
way
to
conserve
and
just
not
have
the
Appliance
on
okay.
C
So
when
it
comes
to
your
air
conditioning
in
your
home,
this
is
a
pie.
Chart
that
I
grabbed
off
the
internet.
That
shows
in
a
typical
home
where
your
AC
dollars
go
and
where
you
can
save
money.
So
when
you
look
at
what
you
can
do
in
your
home,
these
are
the
different
areas
that
you
can
attack.
I'm,
going
to
talk
about
a
couple
of
areas
that
we
attacked
in
our
home.
C
We
we
did
change
out
our
our
windows,
but
that's
not
as
big
of
savings
is
what
you
might
think
that
it
is
from
what
I
talk
to
people
in
real
application.
C
But
again
it's
important
to
know
where
it
is
that
you
can
save
your
dollars
now,
I'm
not
going
to
talk
to
you
about
switching
out
your
whole
air
conditioning
system
here
today,
we'll
talk
about
one
specific
example
of
heat
pumps,
but
I'll
talk
to
you
about
a
couple
of
other
examples.
C
So
one
of
the
key
things
that
we
did,
we
again
got
our
home
energy
audit
and
that
was
the
Gateway
for
us
to
bring
in
an
installer
of
many
installers
qualify
through
Duke
to
allow
you
to
get
this
discount
and
the
cost
of
our
insulation
to
take
it
from
what's
called
an
R8
Factor
up
to
an
r28.
This
is
blown
in
insulation.
This
is
a
picture
up
in
up
in
my
attic
was
125
dollars.
C
This
is
about
four
or
five
years
ago,
so
pretty
low
expense
for
saving
money
and
really
important
to
do
so.
You
might
think
of
insulation
being
important
if
you
heat
your
home,
it's
just
as
important.
If
you,
when
you
cool
your
home
heat,
that's
up
in
your
attic
will
get
down
and
actually
heat
up
your
ceiling
and
that
heat
will
transfer
down
into
your
room
so
very
important
to
change
that
out
or
to
increase
it.
The
other
thing
I
did
actually
right
before
having
this
insulation
blown
in
is
I
installed.
C
This
what's
called
a
Radiant
Barrier
same
concept
as
what
you
put
in
the
windshield
of
your
car
to
reflect
out.
Radiant
Heat,
so
radiant
heat
from
the
Sun
actually
comes
through
your
roof
into
your
attic.
This
bounces
it
back
out,
and
you
just
in
my
case
I'm
able
to
get
up
into
my
attic
I
can
stand
at
the
highest
part
of
my
attic
and
you
just
staple
it
up.
You
can
see
pretty
low
cost
for
that.
C
If
I
was
I,
remember
calling
up
some
installers
at
that
time,
it'll
be
about
seven
hundred
dollars
for
someone
to
come
in
and
do
it
if
I
was
to
pay
somebody
so
I
did
that
myself,
all
it
I
just
needed
two
tools:
I
needed
a
stapler
and
I
needed
a
utility
knife
to
do
that.
This
reduced
the
temperature
in
my
attic
about
30
degrees.
You
know
this
is
me
monitoring
it
before
and
after
you
know,
from
a
summertime
perspective,
and
that
means
that
it's
saved
check-in
time
here.
C
It
means
that
it
reduces
the
load
on
your
air
handler.
In
my
case,
my
air
handler
is
up
in
my
attic
as
well
as
all
my
duck
workers
in
the
Attic
So
less
of
a
strain
on
the
air
conditioning
to
get
that
cold
air
delivered
in
my
home.
C
This
is
the
part
that
I
said
that
I
talk
about
from
an
air
conditioning
standpoint,
so
I
have
two
air
conditioners,
essentially
in
my
home,
because
I
have
two
different
zones:
I
live
in
a
three-story
condo
and
in
that
condo
the
top
two
floors
are
Central
AC
and
the
bottom
floor.
Is
this
heat
pump
and
so
heat
pups
have
come
a
long
way
in
this?
From
the
standpoint
there
used
to
be
that
you'd
be
mainly
dedicate
it
to
one
room.
C
You
now
have
these
heat
pumps
that
are
Ultra
efficient,
they're
like
twice
as
efficient
as
my
regular
AC
that
I
have
on
my
home
and
they
are
lower
cost
as
well,
but
you
can
also
have
them
that
can
cover
multiple
rooms
as
well
in
your
home,
so
look
into
those
if
you've
got
spaces
in
your
home
that
you
don't
and
this
this
does
not
require
duct
work
by
the
way
either.
C
So
it's
more
efficient
from
that
perspective,
and
then,
of
course,
hopefully
this
is
obvious,
but
it's
not
necessarily
in
everybody's
home
is
is
having
a
smart
thermostat
matters
for
you
to
schedule.
When
you
adjust
the
temperature
in
your
home
and
day
of
the
week,
I
have
a
nest.
That's
what's
the
the
picture
that
I
have
up
here
very
important
to
have
that
in
your
in
your
home.
C
Okay,
this
slide
here
I
do
have
a
handout
on
the
back.
That
goes
into
a
lot
more
detail
on
the
inflation
reduction
Act
and
the
credits
and
the
soon
to
come
rebate.
So
rebates
will
be
later
this
year,
where
you
don't
have
to
it's
not
dependent
upon
you
filing
your
taxes.
You
can
just
get
an
instant
rebate,
but
that's
later
in
the
year
is
what
it's
scheduled
for,
but
you
can
see
these
are
high
dollar
amounts.
C
I
was
not
able
to
take
advantage
of
any
of
these
tax
credits
for
any
of
those
upgrades
that
I
did
in
my
home,
except
for
my
solar.
That
was
the
only
thing
I
could
get.
Take
the
tax
credit
on
now,
there's
a
lot
more
that
you
can
take
take
advantage
of.
So
this
is
a
summary
of
those
items
if
I.
C
C
Okay,
yeah
I,
guess
I
I
just
hit
on
those
points
here
as
well.
C
This
is
you
know:
I,
don't
really
go
into
lighting
here,
but
certainly
if,
if
you
have,
if
you're
associated
with
a
church,
small
business
I,
do
this
tomorrow,
for
instance,
I'll
be
at
a
church
helping
them
change
out
their
light
bulbs
like
this
from
fluorescent
to
LED
in
buildings
like
this
lighting
typically
covers
something
like
15
of
your
energy
bill.
You
can
cut
that
in
half
and
then
conservation.
This
is
the
lowest
cost
things
you
can
do.
C
This
is
an
actual
picture
of
our
laundry
on
our
deck
on
our
drying
racks
outside.
So
we
use
I
forget
who
was
asking
me
this,
but
we
use
our
dryer,
probably
once
a
month-ish.
Something
like
that
saves
money,
saves
electricity
and
that's
one
of
the
first
things
that
Kathleen
asked
me
Brian.
Are
you
going
to
hang
out
the
laundry
today?
For
me,
you
know
so
yeah,
okay
I'll
go
do
that
this
is
these?
C
Are
the
savings
that
I
would
summarize
I
have
on
our
home
for
the
EVS
Save
A
Lot
from
a
gas
standpoint?
This
is
all
again
all
from
the
based
upon
the
number
of
miles
based
upon
the
price
of
gas,
the
solar
that
we
have
saved
and
then
I
I
just
included
the
hot
water
heater,
because
I'm
actually
able
to
track
that
using
the
app
on
my
phone
and
get
to
be
get
to
show
those
kind
of
details.
C
So
that's
a
lot
of
money.
Any
questions
you
might
have
I,
don't
know
if
you've
got
time
for
a
question
and
answer
right
now,
but
certainly
I've
got
information
at
the
back
too
hi
Chris.
C
I'm
not
aware
I've
I've
talked
to
buildings
about
it.
It
has
to
be
applied
to
the
general
usage
of
the
building,
because
you
can't
have
it
for
any
individuals
up
on
those
spaces.
I
live
I,
call
it
a
condo.
It's
a
condo
town
home
I
own,
actually
own
a
portion
of
my
roof
in
state
law.
Thank
goodness
is
that
I'm
allowed
to
put
solar
up
on
my
portion
of
the
roof.
C
You
know
I
think
a
Condo
building
probably
would
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
that
I
know
so,
for
instance,
this
is
in
the
inflation
reduction
act.
This
is
a
big
change.
The
city
is
able
to
take
advantage
of
these
rebates,
now
I'm,
pointing
back
to
the
back
of
the
room
here
from
the
city
perspective
that
includes
solar,
they're,
able
to
get
30
percent
off
a
church.
If
you
install
solar
now,
starting
in
2023,
you're
able
to
get
30
percent
off,
and
that
applies
to
the
other,
the
other
things
as
well.
C
Yeah,
so
we'll
go
straight
into
the
grid,
so
I
do
not
have
batteries.
Looked
into
that
what
I
so
so
I've
got
two
electric
cars,
one
of
them
I
have
access
to
the
batteries
that
I
bought
an
inverter
and
I'm
able
to
suck
that
electricity
out
and
apply
it
to
small
appliances.
In
my
home,
I
can't
run
my
air
conditioning
off
it.
So
that's
my
emergency
backup
that
I
have
I
mean,
and
you
see
more
cars,
I
think
Ford
Lightning's
a
big
example.
C
You
might
have
heard
about
where
you're
actually
able
to
put
that
power
back
into
your
home,
and
so
those
options
are
more
and
more
coming.
I
mean
to
me:
that's
an
important
way
to
go,
because
one
of
our
cars
has
got
like
between
60
and
70
kilowatts
of
energy.
When
I
got
it
fully
charged
sitting
there
waiting
to
be
used,
yeah.
C
Sure
sure
she
was
asking
about
the
cost
of
replacing
the
batteries
as
well
as
what
to
do
with
them
from
recycling
standpoint.
Yeah
I
mean
I,
do
not
know
the
answer
to
that
question.
I
know
that
there's
lithium
recycling
Across
the
Nation
in
different
states
that
takes
lithium
batteries
on
a
variety
of
different
forms.
C
You
know
there's
lithium
batteries
that
have
been
existent
for
a
while,
not
as
much
it's
not
until
recently,
from
a
car
perspective,
for
instance,
so
there'll
be
more
of
that
developed
in
the
supply
chain
to
take
in
that
and
make
money
from
it
is
going
to
come
down
to
people
making
money
from
it.
C
We
with
our
electric
cars,
we
have
not
had
batteries
that
we've
had
to
get
replaced.
Our
daughter
had
one
one
of
ours,
a
Chevy
bolt
that
got
a
recall
on
the
batteries
and
they
changed
out
the
batteries
for
free.
So
they
had
to
do
something
with
those
batteries.
I
don't
know
what
they
did
with
them,
but.
C
C
C
We
do
not
so
that
that
would
yeah,
so
I
I
think
the
question
was:
when
you
have
solar,
are
you
able
to
retain
that
energy
and
use
it
when
the
power's
out
with
the
grids
down?
You
have
to
have
one
of
a
couple
of
situations
either
you've
got
to
have
batteries.
There
are
some
inverters
I
could
have
gotten
this
with
mine,
but
I
did
not
where
you're
you
can
have
some
110
outlets
off
your
solar,
so
I
know
that
exists.
C
C
So
the
question
was
on
net
metering
and
and
what
challenges
that
might
face
so
it
was
last
year
I
think
it
was
when
that
was
before
the
legislature
got
passed
by
the
legislature.
Yeah
I
think
that'll
be
something
that
is
going
to
be
looked
at
going
forward.
There's
other
states
that
look
at
that
as
well
and
have
have
changed
some
things.
Each
state
is,
is
a
little
bit
different
in
that
way.
C
So
far
as
I've
seen
it
be
debated
and
crafted
from
a
bill
standpoint
is
that
the
grandfather
and
people
that
have
it
already
so
I
guess
that's
an
incentive
to
to
get
solar,
but
it
still
is
a
great
payback.
One
of
my
philosophies
is,
you
know,
making
sure
you
don't
buy
too
much
solar
for
your
home
and
that
helps
that
Financial
equation
equation
always
be
solid.
You
never
want
to
buy
more
solar
people.
Talk
about
this
probably
later
and
yeah
I
can
talk
that
later.
A
C
Priority
yeah
again
I'd
start
with
an
energy
audit,
because
that
will
help
point
with
where
those
things
are.
If
you
have
some
old
appliances
like
air
conditioning
or
those
other
ones,
those
can
be
very
inefficient
and
that
could
be
the
place
to
start
insulation
I,
find
is,
is
very
thin
here
in
in
people's
homes
that
are
older.
C
A
Okay,
Brian
will
be
available
to
answer.
A
I
think
this
is
something
that
all
of
us
probably
interest.
Everybody.
E
A
Has
an
interest
in
that
next
speaker
that
we
have
is
Julia
Herbst
of
the
Florida
Gulf
Coast
program
associate
she's
for
solar
energy,
solar,
United,
neighbors,
it's
a
non-profit
and
it's
dedicated
to
helping
people
go
solar
through
teaching
volunteer
and
work
experience,
Julia,
champ
and
champions
the
power
of
education
and
local
action
in
positive
environmental
change.
F
Okay,
welcome.
Thank
you.
Everybody
I'm
gonna,
get
my
own
timer.
Is
this
working
so
we're
great?
This
was
on
the
go:
hi
wow.
What
a
great
opener
and
fantastic
questions-
everybody
you
guys
are
really
really
smart
and
I'm
glad
you're
spending
this
sunny
day
here:
I'm
Julia,
herps
I'm,
the
Gulf
Coast
program,
Association
associate
for
Seoul
United
neighbors.
So
we're
going
to
answer
a
lot
of
the
questions
you've
already
had
and
I
might
go
really
fast.
F
F
So
are
there
anyone
who
have
solar
on
the
roof
right
now?
Okay,
so
we
look
around.
These
are
people.
You
can
also
ask
your
neighbors
about
questions.
Is
there
anyone
who's,
driving
an
electric
vehicle
right
now
and
how
many
of
you
here
are
interested
in
buying
an
EV
or
going
solar?
Just
thinking
about
this?
Oh
look
at
this
room
fantastic.
F
So
we
are
the
great
resources
for
you
and
we're
actually
focused
on
people,
so
sole
United
neighbors
is
a
national
non-profit,
we're
active
in
11
states,
Puerto,
Rico
and
Hawaii,
so
we're
actually
not
affiliated
with
any
product
or
any
install
or
company,
so
we're
sort
of
a
vendor
neutral
source
that
defends
you,
the
people
and
the
neighborhood
and
the
community.
This
is
a
group
we
actually
are
a
community
of
people
focused
on
a
new
Energy
System.
We
really
see
rooftop
solar
at
the
Cornerstone
of
a
new
vibrant
Energy
System.
F
F
H
F
This
over
and
I'm,
probably
going
to
go
a
little
fast
than
I
normally
would
in
our
information
sessions,
which
you
can
access
online
at
our
website
as
well.
So
a
lot
of
you
want
to
go
solar
or
interested
in
going.
Solar
have
heard
a
lot
of
sales,
people
and
pitches
about
going
solar
for
free
lots
of
reasons.
Why?
Certainly
a
lot
of
people
want
clean
air,
they
don't
want
to.
Maybe
they
don't
want
to
purchase,
give
their
money
away
to
a
big
Monopoly
utility
and
they
want
more
control.
F
There's
lots
of
reasons
why
to
go
solar
soil,
United
neighbors
can
help
you
with
the
how
we're
going
to
talk
about
solar
panels
and
solar
PV.
So
not
solar
water,
heater,
not
pool
heating.
Those
are
great
technologies
that
we
can
talk
about.
Soil
United
neighbors
is
interested
in
photovoltaic,
which
is
taking
the
sun's
energy
capturing
it
and
turning
into
electricity
to
use
in
your
home.
F
Basically,
we
cover
the
parts
in
our
general
education
sessions,
we're
talking
about
a
solar
panel.
It's
a
little
taller
than
me
about
the
size
of
a
flag.
It's
silicate
sandwiched
between
glass
and
plastic
and
a
frame
and
there's
a
junction
box.
That
panel
is
also
called
a
module.
You
put
them
together
with
other
modules
and
that's
called
an
array.
That's
what
people
think
of
when
they
think
of
a
solar
system
on
their
roof.
It
can
also
go
on
the
ground
on
a
ground.
F
Mount
like
it's
shown
here,
so
you've
got
some
options
in
where
you
want
to
put
it,
but
generally
it's
put
on
the
roof.
It's
connected
with
racking
a
series
of
rails
and
mounts
it
can
go
on
lots
of
types
of
roof
like
asphalt
shingle,
we
have
a
standing,
seam
metal,
that's
a
project
in
St,
Pete,
barreled,
concrete,
Barrel,
tile,
regular
tile
metal
rolled
roof,
TPO,
so
lots
of
options
depending
on
what
roof
you
have
the
guts.
F
The
reason
you
need
this
inverter
is
because
those
solar
panels
create
electricity
in
DC
or
direct
current,
and
then
your
home
uses
it
AC
or
alternating
current,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
give
you
a
baseline
of
some
of
the
technology,
and
you
can
learn
more
so,
if
you're
interested
in
researching
for
yourself
and
doing
proposals,
you
know
what
this
language
is,
and
you
know
what
questions
to
ask,
and
you
can
also
come
to
us
for
more.
So
this
is
the
inverter,
and
that
makes
the
conversion
from
DC
to
AC.
F
So
the
string
or
Central
inverters
take
all
the
little
wires
from
all
the
panels
and
convert
that
in
one
box
near
your
electrical
breaker
box
on
the
right
is
a
micro
inverter,
that's
usually
on
the
back
of
every
little
panel.
So
you
have
a
little
finer
tune
monitoring
you
can
see
the
performance
of
every
panel
and
then
that
comes
together
in
a
combiner
box
and
then
something
in
the
middle
is
a
string
inverter
with
optimizers
on
it.
F
So
the
difference
between
string
and
micro
inverters
are
that
if
you
have
shading
on
a
part
of
your
array,
then
without
optimizers
or
micro
inverters,
the
production
is
reduced
to
the
shadiest
panel.
So
we
want
to
get
the
most
out
of
every
single
panel
on
our
roof,
to
make
it
worth
our
money
and
that's
what
optimizers
or
micro
inverters
do
so
that
you
might
see
those
on
a
proposal.
It's
very
con,
simple
connection
to
your
house.
You
don't
have
to
run
and
switch
any
any
switches
or
Breakers
everything's
automatic
in
your
electrical
panel.
F
F
Two
things
you
want
to
be
familiar
with
when
you're
shopping
for
solar
is
kilowatts
and
kilowatt
hours.
So
you
might
know
some
of
these
terms
from
your
bills.
If
you
actually
look
at
your
bill,
if
you're
thinking
of
going
solo,
you're
going
to
have
to
go
online
and
actually
get
your
bill
and
look
at
the
page
two
and
three,
and
not
just
the
number
that
you
owe
because
we
size
and
price
solar
in
kilowatts,
so
that's
the
capacity!
F
That's
the
maximum
amount
that
you
use
in
one
moment
or
is
produced
by
your
panels
and
kilowatt
hours.
Is
that
over
time
that
energy
over
time,
that's
what
you're
building.
So,
if
you're,
all
in
Duke
territory,
your
bill
is
going
to
be
how
many
kilowatt
hours
you
use?
Okay,
so
those
are
the
two
terms
every
panel
is:
has
a
wattage
on
it.
It's
base
Place
wattage.
So
in
this
example,
one
panel
is
350
watts
and
then
you
put
it
together
with
11.
F
So
if
I
have
12
350
watt
panels,
I
have
4
4,
200,
Watts
or
4.2
kilowatts.
So
that's
how
we
size
solar!
That's
how
we
talk
about
the
energy
it
produces.
That's
going
to
be
really
handy
when
you're
shopping
for
solar.
What
do
we
need
to
look
for
solar?
Do
I
have
a
realistic
potential
to
go
and
save
money
with
it.
We're
going
to
look
at
orientation
of
your
roof
or
ground
east
south
or
west
facing
roof
is
ideal.
F
We
want
little
to
no
shade,
or
only
for
part
of
the
time
and
a
certain
amount
of
room.
So
it's
so
United
neighbors.
We
do
a
lot
of
roof
reviews
for
free
we're.
Looking
for
200
square
feet,
clear
water
is
really
important
in
forcing
some
setbacks,
so
we
can
give
you
a
general
idea
if
you
have
a
good
potential
site
for
going
solar
to
put
the
whole
system
together
to
talk
about
how
this
works.
I
also
have
a
diagram
in
the
back.
F
I
also
have
great
QR
code,
so
you
can
understand
things
like
this
and
net
metering,
so
the
Sun
is
going
to
shine
on
your
panels.
It's
going
to
activate
those
electrons
they're
going
to
be
in
direct
current
they're,
going
to
go
through
the
inverter
or
micro
inverters
and
have
AC
current
running
into
your
electrical
panel
at
your
home,
and
that's
where
you
first
start
saving
with
solar,
because
you're
using
your
own
clean,
locally
produced
Florida
fuel
powered
emission
free
electricity
instead
of
buying
it
from
your
utility.
F
Okay,
first
win:
if
you're
producing
more
than
you're
using
at
the
time
in
your
home
that
extra
kilowatt
hours
goes
out
through
that
bi-directional
meter
number
four:
it's
a
two-way
meter.
It
actually
goes
out
into
the
grid
and
it's
going
to
flow
to
your
neighbor
or
the
store
down
the
street
or
the
lamp
and
electricity
is
opportunistic.
It's
going
to
go
where
the
demand
is
and
Duke
will
sell
it
to
your
neighbor
at
retail
price.
When
that
happens,
you
actually
get
a
credit
on
your
electricity
bill.
F
F
Currently
we're
seeing
rates
go
up
and
we're
buying
our
electricity
about
12
13
cents
a
kilowatt
hour.
You'll
get
credits
for
that
to
be
used
on
your
next
bill.
If
you're
not
producing
enough
and
at
the
end
of
the
year
you
get
paid
out,
it's
variable,
maybe
three
to
four
cents
a
kilowatt
hour
so
sizing
your
system
right
is
really
important
because
you're
not
going
to
gain
a
big
fat
check
by
over
producing
again.
So
that's
the
second
way
you
save
is
by
net
metering
you're,
actually
using
exporting
this
extra
to
the
grid.
F
So
the
grid
benefits,
because
it's
getting
electricity
really
high
demand
times
like
five
o'clock
on
August
afternoon,
you're
providing
electricity
all
around
the
community
from
your
little
rooftop,
and
this
is
the
the
flow
of
it
with
a
net
meter
grid
tied
home.
So
what
happens
when
the
power
grid
goes
out?
This
was
a
great
question,
so
this
is
solar,
PV
systems
that
saves
you
money
by
offsetting
how
much
electricity
you're
consuming
and
purchasing.
If
the
grid
goes
down,
your
system
is
going
to
actually
shut
off.
F
This
is
an
automatic
safety
feature
required
by
law
so
that
your
energized
electricity
generator
well,
your
generator
can
be
fossil
fuel
or
you
can
pick
one
that's
fueled
by
the
Sun,
so
that
is
not
energizing
the
grid
and
hurt
a
line
worker,
so
that
happens
automatically,
and
if
you
want
to
use
and
store
that
produced
clean
solar
energy
on
your
roof,
you
want
to
consider
batteries
or
battery
storage
is
another
term.
You
certainly
can
go
and
have
a
fossil
fuel
generator.
That's
actually
think
about
how
many
times
you
you,
you
lose
power.
F
Over
a
year,
I
haven't
lose
power.
I
can't
remember.
I
get
little
blips
of
it
that
make
me
reset
my
Wi-Fi
router
and
that's
about
it
so
really
measure
this,
but
consider
also
what's
coming
down
the
line,
so
you
might
want
to
consider
batteries
if
you
have
frequent
outages,
maybe
you're
at
the
end
of
a
line
and
you're
like
not
near
the
school
in
the
hospital
and
you're
the
last
to
get
your
power
turned
back
on.
Do
you
have
a
water
pump?
F
Do
you
have
medical
equipment
that
you
really
want
to
be
running
all
the
time
or
you
just
want
to
be
prepared
and
have
it
power
for
a
part
of
your
home
in
sort
of
an
insurance
policy?
So
right
now
we
don't
have
time
to
use
bills.
We
just
purchase
a
unit
of
electricity
and
we
pay
it
whether
it's
in
morning
or
night,
right
now,
we
don't
have
demand
charges
in
our
homes.
Some
of
our
commercial
buildings
do
so
right.
F
Now,
battery
storage
won't
pay
you
to
you,
won't
save
you
money
and
you're,
not
helping
the
Grid
in
the
future.
We
might
see
changes
to
the
way
we
get
billed
for
electricity
and
we
might
see
changes
to
this
thing
called
net
metering.
So
it's
great
to
consider.
If
you
want
to
add
batteries
in
the
future,
because
then
they
can
do
some
electrical
changes
and
consider
inverters
okay.
So
we
have
a
great
storage
guide.
F
These
really
hold
up
to
hurricanes.
So
this
is
a
a
project,
a
co-op
that
we
can
talk
about
later
in
the
Panhandle.
This
is
after
Hurricane
Michael.
So
a
category
five
hit
it
our
installer
that
was
working
with
our
solar
Co-op
members
really
had
they
use
the
NOAA
photography
right
after
Hurricane
Michael
and
found
all
the
systems
to
be
intact,
the
roofs
the
side
of
it
were
in
danger,
but
we
find
that
these
are
all
built
to
code
to
withstand
a
lot
of
hurricanes.
They
actually
protect
the
roof.
F
They
extend
the
life
of
asphalt,
shingles
so
really
tried
and
true,
and
we
certainly
are
seeing
the
same
with
hurricane
Ian,
some
people
in
extreme.
You
know
on
Sanibel,
Island
Pine
Island
lost
a
few
panels,
but
in
general
they
had
less
damage
to
the
roof
where
they
had
solar
panels.
So
it's
really
structurally
strong
great
frequently
asked
questions
that
I
can
cover
quickly.
There's
three
types
of
warranties:
there's
manufacturer
production
and
installer
warranty
that
installer
warranty
is
the
thing
you
really
want
to
get
in
writing
when
you're
shopping
around.
F
What's
the
installer
going
to
cover
for
leaks
and
repairs,
honors
insurance
usually
doesn't
cost
more
to
insure
your
home.
We're
seeing
a
lot
of
Kickback.
The
insurance
industry
in
Florida
is
in
crisis.
We
all
know
that
with
rates
soil,
United
members
here
to
promote
and
help
you
go
solar,
including
with
insurance
problems.
So
we
can
write
to
us.
We
can
help
you
shop
around
and
see
what
companies
are
solar,
friendly,
very
low
maintenance,
there's
no
moving
parts,
so
you
don't
have
to
get
up
there
and
clean
them.
F
There's
very
little
to
do,
and
the
lifespan
is
about
25
years
is
what
we
use:
there's
degradation
of
the
panels,
but
your
electricity
rates
are
going
up
so
you're
going
to
continue
to
save
like
a
long-term
investment.
So
take
it
seriously,
we
have
a
good
solar
rights
law.
Hoas
can't
prevent
you
from
going
solar
in
your
home,
and
the
cost
has
really
gone
down.
Just
want
to
reiterate
the
income
tax
credit
from
the
inflation
reduction
act
extended
it
back
to
30
percent
30
percent
off
the
cost
of
your
total
system.
F
Installation
permitting
interconnection
is
all
there
for
you
and
it's
extended
for
10
years.
It
is
a
credit,
not
a
rebate
and
not
a
deduction.
So
you
do
have
to
have
a
tax
liability
to
take
this
and
you
can
roll
pull
it
over
and
take
it
over
multiple
years.
This
is
a
little
bit
about
sizing,
so
there's
no
one
size
fits
all.
It
depends
on
your
electricity
use.
F
This
is
a
little
chart.
I
can
go
over
this
in
the
future
in
the
back.
It's
basically
a
cash
price,
we're
seeing
about
250
a
lot
and
upwards
in
our
co-ops
right
now,
so
the
price
is
going
up,
but
interest
rates
and
electricity
rates
are
also
going
up.
So
now
is
a
really
good
time
to
go
solar
and
secure
your
bills
in
the
future.
You
take
the
cost
of
the
credit
off
and
then
you
start
saving
with
solar
and
about
10
10
years.
F
In
this
example,
you
see
your
payback
on
your
system
and
you
have
15
more
years
of
savings.
This
is
conservative,
so
we
need
to
update
this
chart
with
it
more
expensive,
as
prices
go
up,
your
savings
do
too
there's
lots
of
ways
to
pay
for
solar
I.
Want
you
to
understand
that
and
solar
installer
works
with
certain
finance
companies.
They
can
often
have
a
a
dealer
fee.
That's
passed
on
to
you
just
so
you
understand
the
terms
of
it.
There
are
a
lot
of
other
opportunities
to
go.
F
Solar
self
is
one
if
you're
having
an
unusual
income
or
you
have
some
credit
interests.
We
also
have
some
credit
unions
that,
if
you're
a
sole
United,
neighbor
member,
which
is
free,
you
can
take
advantage
of
those
credit
unions
and
things
like
climate,
First,
Bank,
great
questions
to
have
on
hand.
We
have
all
these
on
our
email,
so
we
can
say:
hey
I'm
shopping
for
solar,
we'll
give
you
a
list
of
questions
to
ask
your
proposal
and
we
can
also
do
Proposal
review.
F
Sure
so
the
inverter
is
a
key
piece
of
equipment.
You're
going
to
need
so
you'll
be
an
inverter.
Is
the
piece
of
equipment
that
changes.
The
question
was
about
AC
and
DC,
and
this
equipment
called
the
inverter.
So
the
inverter
is
a
really
really
important
part
of
your
solar
system
and
it
changes
the
form
of
the
electricity.
So
it
makes
it
usable
to
the
appliances
in
your
home,
so
there's
different
kinds:
we're
seeing
a
lot
more
micro
inverters
installed
right
now,
because
you
have
the
ability
to
just
change
one
panel.
F
If
one
goes
bad
and
not
lose
your
whole
system
and
then
you
can
monitor
panel
by
panel,
you
can
look
literally
look
and
see
what
every
panel
is
producing
in
your
home,
but
string
inverters
are
tried
and
true
good
workhorses.
F
We
are
question
was
about
soil,
United,
neighbors
role
and
relationship
with
installers,
so
we
are
a
501c3
non-profit.
We
are
actually
vendor
neutral.
We
cannot
make
recommendations
to
an
installer.
However,
we
really
promote
a
robust,
competitive
solar
market,
so
everyone
benefits
we
can
have
good
solar
jobs
and
high
quality
solar
installers.
So
we
do
not
facilitate.
F
We
do
not
do
any
installation
or
any
sales,
but
we
work
with
installers
through
things
like
our
solar
Co-op.
So
that's
a
group
project
where
you
can
get
a
lot
of
education
and
we
actually
facilitate
a
bid
process.
But
again,
members
of
the
co-op
individuals
and
neighbors
and
households
actually
review
the
bids
and
they
select
the
installers.
So
we
have
a
good
relationships
with
installers
because
we
want
business
to
be
good
for
them
as
well,
but
benefit
a
homeowner
in
an
educated
way,
and
there
was
a
question
there.
Yes,.
F
Solar
roof
tiles.
You
have
a
lot
of
Tesla
roof
tiles,
there's
Gaff
tiles,
which
is
much
more
like
the
typical
asphalt
shingle
tile.
You
see.
Technology
is
really
coming.
If
you're
really
interested
in
replacing
your
roof
and
having
a
solar
roof,
you
can
look
to
look
into
that.
The
price
is
very,
very
high
right
now
it's
a
new
technology,
so
we
have
the
first
people
who
are
going
to
adopt
it
and
be
the
Pioneers.
It
is
quite
expensive.
F
F
Great
question
and
I
heard
you
before
so
condos
it
really
in
the
State
of
Florida
to
go
solar
as
a
residence.
It's
really
helpful
to
own
your
roof
and
own
your
electric
meter
and
have
those
two
things
connected.
So
in
condo
situations,
a
lot
of
it
depends
if
you're
to
a
high
rise.
If
you're
two-story
do
you
own
the
roof,
do
you
have
rights
to
the
roof?
And
how
can
you
power
that
individually,
if
it's
a
multi-story
unit-
and
you
have
someone
above
you-
that's
a
lot
trickier-
it
has
been
done.
F
There's
places
for
the
owners
of
the
units
to
go
solar,
there's
one
on
the
east
coast,
we've
been
working
with
and
they
actually
literally
divided
up.
The
roof
did
the
finances,
so
you
could
kind
of
get
a
plot
of
the
roof
and
have
that
power
years.
But
it's
kind
of
Legally
tricky
to
go
solar
in
a
condo
for
the
general
shared
things
great
opportunity
now,
because
the
IRA
makes
that
30
tax
credit
for
non-profits
now
available
as
a
cash
rebate,
so
they
can
get
30
off
the
cost
of
installing
solar
to
power.
F
Those
shared
resources,
whether
it's
their
pool
or
their
rack
building
or
the
general
lighting
and
the
general
air
conditioning,
definitely
an
option.
You
can
write
to
us
and
we'll
help
you
along
the
way.
We
also
have
a
co-op
project
starting
the
end
of
April
for
non-profits,
so
we
it's
like
a
guided,
step-by-step
class,
so
we'd
love
to
help
you
with
that.
Yes,.
F
Great
question
and
I
snuck
it
in
my
bullets,
but
I
didn't
have
time
to
go
over
it's
very,
very
common
because
we
know
insurance
companies
are
making
you
replace
your
asphalt,
shingle
roof
a
little
sooner
than
it's.
You
know
time
so
great
question,
so
solar's
lasting
at
least
25
years,
so
lining
that
up
with
your
roof
life
is
really
tricky.
If
you
have
a
new
roof
great
time
to
go
solar
right,
then
you're
kind
of
matching
some
of
the
the
length
who
has
a
brand
new
roof.
F
F
We
called
an
r
r
fee,
so
they
may
or
may
not
be
able
to
give
you
a
a
quote
if
you
are
not
ready
to
replace
your
roof,
but
you
really
want
to
go
solar
and
it's
in
good
enough
condition
that
the
installer
will
put
it
in,
because
if
it
leaks
it's
the
solar,
installer's
responsibility
and
warranty.
So
you
need
to
have
a
good
condition
roof.
Even
if
it's
a
few
years
old,
you
could
install
solar
and
then,
when
you're,
ready
to
replace
your
roof,
have
the
panels
all
taken
off
stored.
F
E
F
Yeah
there
is
and
I
don't
have
the
data,
but
for
an
asphalt,
shingle
roof
because
of
the
UV
exposure
is
what
is
so
damaging
and
degradating,
especially
in
Florida,
so
putting
solar
on
your
roof.
Even
if
the
solar
is
not
even
plugged
in
and
turned
on,
is
cooling
your
house
right
away
right,
just
dropping
the
degrees
down
and
then
it's
protecting
your
roof.
So
the
area
under
the
solar
panels
extends
the
life
of
an
asphalt
shingle
significantly.
You
know
you
can't
cover
your
whole
roof
with
it.
F
F
Yeah
we
I
used
to
have
a
different
response
for
the
soil.
United
neighbors
does
have
a
whole
web
page
on
it
because
we
do
want
to
help
people
go
solar.
We
also
want
some
Equity
involved
and
we
want
solar
to
benefit
the
homeowner
and
the
neighborhood
as
well.
So
the
best
return
on
your
investment
is,
if
we
can
help
you
own,
your
solar,
in
other
words
you
own
it
and
you
get
the
benefit
of
that
return
with
leasing.
F
Leasing
has
made
it
possible
for
a
lot
of
people,
especially
non-profits
or,
if
they're
older,
and
you
know
so,
they're,
basically
renting
the
equipment.
So
the
installer
takes
that
tax
credit,
not
you
and
you
pay
a
set
amount
with
an
escalator
every
month.
So
it's
very,
very
important,
you're
signing
a
very
long-term
agreement
that
you
will
not
have
the
same
Financial
return
as
you
would.
F
F
F
F
Actually,
solar
prices
have
dropped
dramatically
over
the
past
20
years
and
in
half
over
the
past
five
years.
We
don't
see
the
price
of
Solar
as
far
as
the
equipment
and
the
stuff
going
down
anymore
because
of
materials
and
think
about
the
labor
and
the
cost
of
acquisition.
That's
where
a
solar
Co-op
can
save
you
money,
because
companies
aren't
paying
thousands
of
dollars
per
lead.
F
That's
where
a
solar
Co-op,
which
we
can
talk
about
coming
up,
so
we
don't
see
the
cost
of
solar
going
down
much,
but
it's
the
best
return
on
your
investment
and
it
could
be
because
of
your
shading.
So
if
you
want
to
re-evaluate,
we
see
most
people
paying
off
their
systems
in
seven
to
ten
years
and
most
people
with
a
solar
loan
pay
their
loan
off
early.
So
it's
20
is
double
digits
return.
Roi,
you
know
percentage
rate,
you
really
can't
beat
it
as
far
as
other.
You
know:
retirement
Investments
and
savings.
F
F
Yeah
great
questions
about
locating
and
the
opportunities
besides
a
rooftop
solar
system,
walls,
vertical
surfaces,
side
of
the
roof
are
not
that
great
because
of
the
orientation
you
want
to
be
as
directly
against.
You
know
the
the
sun's
Rays
so
altitude
and
Azimuth
all
matter
there,
but
ground
mounts
are
a
fantastic
scenario.
If
you
have
the
right
room,
you
can
make
them
really
gorgeous.
They
could
be
like
a
carport.
They
could
be
a
part
of
your
pool,
they
could
be
a
portico
because
they
can
be
designed
for
the
best
orientation.
F
So
you
can
get
really
high
production
and
if
you
don't
have
any
shading,
you
can
use
like
a
sunny
boy
inverter,
which
is
just
a
Workhorse,
and
you
don't
have
some
electrical
requirements
with
auto
shut
off,
so
that
can
be
a
good
option,
but
you
need
enough
room
and
there
are
some
code
things
to
consider.
As
far
as
setbacks
in
a
typical
small
Clearwater
home
thanks,
everybody
chat
in
the
back.
A
Thank
you,
Julia
we're
going
to
be
taking
a
little
break
in
a
minute
and
then
we
will
be
having
when
you
come
back,
we'll
be
having
a
drawing
our
first
drawing
and
then
we'll
be
having
a
panel
discussion
which
I
think
will
be
very
useful
to
you
because
a
lot
of
you,
you
get
a
lot
of
information,
but
you
really
want
to
know
about
people
like
you
that
have
used
it.
What
are
the
problems?
A
What
are
the
advantages
so
we'll
be
having
a
panel
discussion,
then
we're
going
to
go
into
a
discussion
about
electric
vehicles,
also
called
EVs
and
we'll
have
a
another
panel
discussion,
we're
going
to
start
with
a
panel
discussion.
So
if
the
panel
could
come
up,
the
the
solar
energy
panel
could
come
to
the
front
now.
A
A
I
A
We
have
a
series
of
questions
and
we
will
also
if
we
have
signed
you
know
we'll
ask
you
to
you,
can
ask
your
own
questions.
The
important
thing
in
here
is
these
are
everyday
users,
so
we
wanted
people
who
have
opinions
who
just
use
it
every
day.
What
are
the
issues?
The
everyday
issues
so,
first
of
all,
I'm
going
to
ask
each
of
the
panelists
as
we
go
around
to
please
say
your
name
and
then
tell
us
what
made
you
go
solar.
D
My
name
is
Jonathan
Wade
I'm,
a
resident
of
North,
Greenwood,
yeah
and
Brian
made
me:
go
solar,
no
actually,
I
was
in
the
process
of
I.
Just
had
a
new
roof
placed
on
my
house.
My
bill
was
every
month
it
fluctuated
between
160,
sometimes
200
a
month
and
I
was
looking
for
a
way
to
bring
that
down
and
have
it
a
little
bit
more
under
control
and
I.
D
After
talking
with
Brian
and
Brian
was
telling
me
about
his
solar
at
his
home
and
how
he
had
insulated
his
attic,
and
he
told
me
to
get
in
touch
with
the
with
the
co-op,
so
I
I
got
in
touch
with
the
co-op
I.
D
Had
some
people
come
out
from
a
company
I'm
not
going
to
mention
their
name
and
they
they
quoted
me
a
price
and
it
actually
was
a
pretty
substantial
price,
and
then
they
wanted
to
do
my
attic
as
well,
which
was
a
lot
of
money
much
more
than
what
you
paid
for
you
for
yours
and
and
then
I
I
reevaluated
and
went
with
another
company,
and
since
that
time,
I've
been
able
to
bring
my
bill
way
down.
Probably
about
62
bucks
a
month,
I,
don't
see
a
downside
at
all.
D
At
this
point
it's
only
I've
only
had
it
maybe
I
think
I'm
going
into
my
second
year.
But
it's
been
it's
it's
been
rewarding.
D
You
know
my
payments
come
out
automatically
I'm
good
to
go
so
I'm,
making
an
imprint
in
in
my
community
I'm
able
to
conserve
energy
and
I'm
looking
at
doing
some
other
things
to
even
bring
that
down
even
further
and
as
you
were
talking
about
the
hot
water
heater
and
those
kind
of
things
so
I'm
looking
at
trying
to
be
more
any
energy
efficient
and
use
that
money
that
savings
to
go
on
vacations.
A
Brian,
what
made
you
go?
Solar.
C
Save
money
and
I
lead
clean
energy
efforts
here
for
Sierra
Club
in
the
county
and
I
want
to
reduce
my
carbon
footprint.
So
those
were
the
two
main
reasons
and
I
and
I
wanted
to
gain
experience.
So
I
could
share
that
with
others
so
Jonathan's.
A
great
example
of
that
yep.
H
My
name
is
Mark
Hedrick
and
I
live
in
Morningside
here
and
we
have
had
solar
since
October.
The
reason
I
went
with
solar
as
I.
Had
somebody
come
to
my
house
and
gave
me
an
estimate,
then
I
started
doing
research
and
then
I
found
out
that's
not
as
expensive
as
I
thought
and
then,
when
I
found
out
about
the
credit
it
was
26,
then
it
up
to
30
percent
and
I
was
able
to
come
up
with
a
good
deal
I'm
all
about
the
deal.
H
So
when
I,
when
I
found
out
I,
could
get
a
good
deal
and
a
good
price
and
I
figured
that
the
cost
of
my
solar
is
give
me
approximately
a
10
Return
of
the
money
that
I
had
to
spend.
I
kind
of
would
equate
that
to
an
annuity.
If
you
took
ten
thousand
dollars
and
put
in
an
annuity
and
they
gave
you
back
a
thousand
dollars
a
year,
that
would
be
a
pretty
good
deal.
H
So,
of
course,
you
have
to
have
that
money
to
put
in
to
get
that
money,
but
it's
working
for
us
and
ours
is
on
our
flat
roof
and
I'm
I've
had
production
of
32
kilowatts
in
October
and
24
this
month,
I
have
a
6.2
kilowatt
system
that
cost
me
about
10
200
net
and
it's
producing
all
my
energy
I
also
have
gas,
which
means
I
have
gas
hot
water
heat
in
a
dryer,
but
my
system
is
designed
to
produce
just
shy
of
9
000
kilowatts,
which
covers
all
my
energy
usage.
H
I
have
my
minimum
bill,
which
is
35
and
even
if
I
didn't
produce
enough
and
net
meter.
If
I
was
a
little
bit
short
because
of
the
minimum
billing
with
Duke
Energy
I
would
still
come
out
ahead,
so
it's
working
for
us
and
I'll
probably
be
looking
to
other
options
with
the
electric
vehicles
in
the
future,
too.
I
Hi
I'm
Maura
Hedrick,
like
Mark,
said
we
live
just
a
few
blocks
away.
Solar
was
really
our
next
step.
We
have
a
tankless
water,
heater
and
I've
had
one
for
years
and
that's
a
great
place
to
start.
We
also
have
a
really
cool
thing
in
our
kitchen,
because
if
you
live
in
Morningside,
most
of
our
kitchens
are
really
dark.
We
have
a
solar
tube,
a
large
solar
tube,
it's
very
inexpensive
to
put
in.
We
hardly
ever
have
to
turn
our
kitchen
light
on.
I
So
if
you
have
a
dark
kitchen
or
a
dark,
Hall
bathroom
super
place
to
start
as
far
as
lowering
your
carbon
footprint.
So
we,
our
objective,
is
to
lower
our
carbon
footprint.
We've
also
had
Prius
cars
and
hybrid
cars
for
years
and
years
and
years
and
for
the
person
who
asked
about
the
battery
we've,
we've
never
had
a
problem
with
our
replacing
our
prius's
lithium
batteries,
the
regular
battery-
yes,
yes,
we
just
my
daughter
and
I
just
had
that
little
experience,
but
we've
never
had
any
problems
with
those
batteries.
I
So
it's
a
great
way.
Anyway,
we
can
reduce
our
carbon
footprint
side.
Note.
Our
son
had
a
Hybrid
Camry
at
in
at
College
when
he
was
up
at
UF
and
his
car
was
always
the
road
car,
because
that
could
go
40
or
50
mile
per
gallon
for
gas.
So
this
was
the
cheapest
car
and
also
our
daughter
is
an
environmental
engineer.
So
we're
we're
all
about
the
environment.
A
G
I'm
Glenna
Wentworth
and
I
moved
here
from
St,
Louis,
I
retired
and
moved
here
in
2016
and
when
I
got
I'm
an
environmentalist
too
I'm
on
the
Sierra
Club
board.
Here
now,
but
when
I
came
here,
I
thought
and
I
learned
that
there
were
300
days
of
sunshine
in
this
state
and
I
thought.
Why
isn't
there
solar
on
every
roof?
You
know
in
the
state,
so
I
was
looking.
G
I
I
had
to
have
a
new
roof
the
next
year
and
the
thing
that
really
made
it
happen
was
when
I
find
out
that
there
was
a
North
Pinellas,
Co-op
starting,
and
so
we
got
our
our
solar
four
years
ago
through
with
through
the
co-op,
and
it
was
a
it
was
a
fantastic
experience.
I
would
recommend
it.
They
they
back
you
up
to
in
every
way,
they're
so
helpful.
A
Okay,
Glenn
hold
on
to
that
microphone,
we'll
start
at
the
other
index.
The
next
question
I
want
to
ask:
you
is
about
the
installation
and
maintenance.
Probably
a
lot
of
you
want
to
know
what
does
it
take
to
not
only
put
it
in
but
to
keep
it
going?
So,
let's
start
with
Glenna.
G
When,
if
like
I
said
four
years
ago,
when
we
had
in
2018
is
when
we
had
the
installation
and
of
our
solar,
which
is
also
six
kilowatts
array
on
a
roof
and
the
it
just
at
that
time,
another
permitting
was
starting
to
be
required
in
Clearwater,
which
was
the
fire
department
permit,
so
it
became
it
was
the
permitting
process
from
the
start
of
signing.
The
contract
to
the
completion
of
installation
was
a
good
three
months,
and
that
was
a
new
experience
for
the
installer.
G
They
were
just
that
was
all
new
to
them.
I
would
say
in
terms
of
Maintenance,
there
has
been
none,
I
mean
our
inverter
went
out.
It
was
warrantied,
they
replaced
it.
That's
that's
the
only,
but
in
terms
of
just
regular
maintenance,
no
I
haven't
had
any
maintenance
issues.
H
H
We
had
our
roof
replaced
before
we
put
the
solar
on
and
we
do
have
some
type
of
a
warranty
and
arrangement
for
them,
removing
the
panels
and
replacing
them.
If
I
had
to
have
that
done
within
10
years,
I
believe.
H
There
was
a
process
of
about
three
months
from
beginning
to
end
and
there
really
isn't
any
maintenance.
I
I
was
told
that
you
can
wash
them
off
with
hose.
In
my
case,
I
would
be
able
to
get
to
it.
H
I
do
have
an
app
that
lets
me
see
what
my
you,
my
solo
array
is
doing
all
the
time
and
it
can
give
me
a
what
I'm
producing
what
I'm
using
and
I
can
mirror
it
with
my
progress
entered
my
Duke
Energy,
so
I
can
also
see
what
I'm,
producing
and
using
and
and
I
can
look
to
see,
what's
being
produced
and
sent
to
the
grid
and
how
much
I'm
actually
using
how
much
I'm
sending
so
it's
it's
a
lot
of
useful
information.
H
Now
there
really
isn't
any
maintenance
required
at
all
in
the
warranty
I
have
and
the
company
I
used
have
been
in
business
for
a
good
amount
of
time.
They
are
also
a
company
that
was
working
with
the
solar
Co-op.
So
when
I
came
across
them,
I
was
very
happy
and
you
got
to
do
information
and
research
and
get
educated.
But
it's
working
great
for
us.
C
I
haven't
had
to
have
any
maintenance
done
on
our
solar
one
of
the
things,
though,
that
I
did
plan
out
so
again,
like
I've
mentioned
several
times
live
in
a
town,
home
and
so
I
don't
have
control
of
when
my
roof
gets
re-ruffed
we
decide
on
that.
Collectively
are
rough
at
that
time
that
we
got
it
installed
was
about
seven
years
old.
C
So
one
of
the
things
you
know
when
Julia
talked
about
this
a
little
bit
earlier.
We
negotiated
in
our
contract
where
I
get
a
free,
teardown
and
free
put
back
up,
so
that
was
important
to
me
and
so,
when
our
roof
gets
replaced,
which
you
know
they're
already
talking
about
looking
at
that
in
our
condo
association,
my
contract
will
allow
that
that
it'll
be
free
to
me.
So
it
is
something
to
pay
attention
to
not
maintenance
that
I've
had
to
do
but
planning
ahead.
D
And
I
don't
have
anything
new
to
add
it.
The
permanent
part
was
a
kind
of
extensive.
It
was
about
like
three
months,
but
once
they
got
started,
probably
they
were
there,
maybe
a
day
and
a
half
and
they
had
them
up.
I
was
a
little
concerned
because
I
had
a
new
roof
or
and
I
didn't
want
anybody
drilling
holes
in
my
roof,
but
you
know,
I
haven't
had
any
leaks,
no,
no
problems
with
it
and
no
maintenance
with
the
inverter
and
none
of
that
stuff.
So
so
far
it's
Problem
free,
okay,.
D
I
went
through
I
went
through
the
solar
Co-op
company
that
the
company
with
the
Solar
Company,
so
I,
forget,
I.
Think
it's
synchrony
I
think
that's
why
I
play
my
my
money
through
and
I
did
get
a
30-year
loan.
It's
a
very
low
interest
rate
and
that's
that's
my
story.
C
H
What
was
that
question
again?
You
wanted
to
know
wow,
okay,
I'm
kind
of
creative
that
way
and
I
was
using
some
of
our
line
of
credit.
I
had
a
credit
card
that
was
giving
me
zero
percent
for
18
months
and
I'm.
H
Constantly
juggling
line
of
credits
aren't
as
good
as
they
were
in
the
past,
but
I
did
see
a
deal
recently
at
a
local
bank
that
was
offering
a
three
percent
equity
loan
for
ten
thousand
dollars
like
that
would
go
a
long
ways
towards
solar,
but
self-financing
espoused
financing
through
the
installer
tends
to
add
something
to
the
price.
G
A
If
you
could
offer
one
tip
to
people
who
are
considering
buying,
what
would
what
would
you
be
in?
What
would
you
tell
them.
G
G
Pass
well
I
think
I've,
probably
I
would
just
say
no
be
informed.
You
know
be
informed
about
get
educated
about.
It.
I
think
you
know.
When
I
ask
my
neighbors
when
they're
buying
solar,
it
can
be
very
confusing
that
you
know,
particularly
if
the
company
is
adding
other
products
to
it,
like
they're,
putting
insulation
in
their
roof
or
on
their
attic
or
their.
G
You
know,
there's
like
add-on
things,
sometimes
that
companies
will
do
and
then
and
then
the
company
will
be
offering
to
finance
all
that
gets
very
confusing,
so
I
mean
when
you
just
like,
find
out
how
much
you're
paying
per
what
I
think.
That's
just
a
critical
thing
when
I
ask
neighbors
like
what
did
you
pay
for
what
I
don't
know,
you
know
they
don't
know,
and
that's
and
like
Julia
said
you
know
the.
G
If
it's
you
know
250
250,
whatever
a
watt
and
there's
a
thousand
watts
and
a
kilowatt.
So
you
know
that's
how
you're
looking
at
the
price.
That's
that
would
be
a
good
price
and
I.
Don't
know
if
a
little
bit
over
that
maybe
is
reasonable
right
now,
but
don't
pay
more
than
that.
Okay,.
I
I
would
I
would
suggest
you
know
doing
all
that
and
then,
like
Brian
was
saying
earlier,
be
sure
and
do
your
Duke
Energy
audit
start
there.
If
you
think
that
eight
to
ten
thousand
dollars
is
too
much
money
start
somewhere
start
somewhere
start
with
the
solar
tube
in
your
house,
I
mean
that,
then
you
have
less
lights
on
what
your
my
goal
always
is,
because
people
look
at
us
we're
in
our
house
34
years
and
people
go.
How
much
longer
are
you
going
to
be
there?
I
It's
like
well
I
want
to
lower
my
carbon
footprint.
That's
my
responsibility!
So
the
little
things
that
we've
done,
leading
up
to
the
solar
and
like
Mark
said
I
mean
an
investment
of
ten
thousand
dollars.
How
can
you
do
better
than
you
know
getting
a
return
on
your
money
that
way
so
think
of
it
as
a
return?
If
you
don't
want
to
do
the
big
thing,
first
start
small
and
and
and
do
all
the
little
things,
and
it
all
makes
a
difference.
Do
something.
H
Being
informed
is
important:
I
I
think
that
I'm
understanding
that
you
can
only
get
115
percent
as
far
as
production
goes
when
you're
having
soil
installed.
So
you
can't
get
an
unlimited
amount
of
panels
on
your
roof
and
generate
way
more
than
you
need
and
sell
it
back
to
to
Energy
company
that
30
percent
credit
course
applies
to
everything
related
to
your
solar
installation.
H
So,
if
you're
adding
extras
on
you're
getting
a
30
credit
on
all
those
things
and
once
again
we
said
that
that's
a
credit
against
your
taxes
and
it
you
can
use
it
in
more
than
one
year.
So
it's
all
against
your
tax
liability.
H
There's
really
no
downside
being
aware
how
it
works
with
Duke
Energy,
like
I,
said
your
minimum
bill
is
going
to
be
35
dollars
and
there's
no
way
around.
There's
a
customer
charge
twelve
dollars,
and
then
they
add
on
the
extra
Seventeen
dollars
for
your
minimum
billing
and
then
they
add
the
taxes
and
you're
at
35
dollars.
H
So
that's
what
it's
going
to
cost
you,
no
matter
what
what
you
might
get
some
money
back
at
the
end
of
the
year
with
the
accumulation
that
you
have
but
you're
not
going
to
make
a
lot
of
money
getting
energy
back
from
Duke.
H
I
looked
at
my
energy
bill
two
years
ago,
my
kilowatts
were
two
cents
less
than
they
are
now
so
11
cents
to
13
cents,
two
cents,
you
think
about
the
increase
there.
If
your
energy
bills
continue
to
go
up,
but
your
cost
to
your
solar,
isn't
that
seems
like
you're
coming
out
ahead
there.
On
top
of
your
return
for
your
ten
thousand
dollars,.
C
I'd
reiterate
what
Glenna
said
on
the
price
per
watt:
that
is
probably
the
most
critical
piece
of
information.
Two
is
get
competitive,
quotes,
not
a
smart
move
if
you're
just
going
to
one
company
and
getting
a
quote
and
when
you
get
most
multiple
quotes.
What
I
did,
in
my
instance,
I
had
two
installers
and
went
back
and
forth
to
negotiate
the
price
to
be
lower
than
what
they
came
to
me
originally
with,
and
then
the
third
thing
is:
don't
buy
too
much
solar,
don't
pay
more
than
what
you
need.
Okay,.
A
Our
last
speaker
is
going
to
be
Dory,
Larson
and
she's,
going
to
tell
you
about
electronic
Vehicles
Dory
joined
the
southern
Alliance
for
clean
energy
in
2017
and
was
named
the
electric
transportation
program
manager
in
2020.
she's
working
to
accelerate
the
transition
to
electric
vehicles,
educating
and
engaging
stakeholders
identifying
strategic
policy
to
propel
Propel
EV
usage
and
advocating
for
comprehensive
EV
structure
after
Dory
we're
going
to
have
a
panel
that
we'll
talk
about
a
panel
of
EV
users
and
we're
going
to
have
a
another
drawing
so
stay
tuned
and
we'll
do
that
right
away.
A
J
I'm,
pretty
short
well
I
think
I
got
it
okay.
Well,
good
morning,
everybody
like
she
mentioned
I'm
Dory,
Larson,
I'm,
the
electric
transportation
program
manager
with
the
southern
Alliance
for
clean
energy.
J
We're
safe
and
I
would
like
to
thank
everybody
for
the
opportunity
to
to
talk
with
you
all
this
morning
about
electric
transportation
share
my
story
as
well.
So
if
you're
not
familiar
with
safes
for
over
35
years,
we
have
been
a
regional
leader
advocating
for
responsible
and
Equitable
energy
choices
throughout
the
southeast.
We're
focused
on
transforming
the
way
that
we
produce
and
consume
energy
in
the
Southeast
Electrify.
J
The
south
is
our
electric
transportation
program
within
space
that
advances
the
work
that
we
do:
leveraging
research
advocacy
and
Outreach
and
education
with
the
focus
of
accelerating
the
Equitable
transition
to
electric
transportation
throughout
the
southeast.
So,
with
this
presentation,
I'm
going
to
go
through
an
overview
of
EV
ownership
by
use
busting
some
some
common
myths
that
we
all
have
about
electric
transportation
and
then
I
will
go
through
charging
and
how
we
charge
our
vehicles
and
then
obviously
some
question
and
answer.
J
You
know
my
the
reason
why
electric
vehicles,
transportation
is
now
the
largest
source
of
carbon
dioxide
pollution
in
the
United
States,
but
we
can
do
something
about
that.
So
that's
where
you
all
come
in
all
right!
J
All
right
come
on
there.
We
go
okay,
so
I've
gone
through
my
agenda.
All
right,
so
I
know
that
we
saw
a
quick
poll
of
who
owns
an
electric
vehicle,
but
raise
your
hand
if
you've
ridden
in
an
electric
vehicle
ridden
in
one
okay.
Has
anybody
driven
an
electric
vehicle?
Awesome?
Okay,
so
you
guys
know
what
I'm
talking
about
they're
fun
they're,
exciting,
we'll
talk
more
about
about
that,
but
just
make
sure
we're
all
level
set.
J
When
we
talk
about
electric
vehicles,
what
we're
talking
about
are
the
vehicles
in
the
blue,
which
are
plug-in
hybrid,
so
they
can
take
both
electricity
or
gasoline
as
a
fuel
source
or
pure
electric
vehicles
that
only
take
electricity
to
to
power
the
car
to
get
it
from
point
A
to
point
B.
So
let's
look
at
some
myths
and
bust
them
this
morning.
J
The
first
is
that
EVS
are
too
expensive
and
you
hear
this
all
the
time,
but
if
you
look
at
lower
total
cost
of
or
if
you
look
at
total
cost
of
ownership,
electric
vehicles
frequently
come
out
ahead
compared
to
their
gas
counterpart.
So
when
you're
purchasing
a
house,
you
don't
just
look
at
the
purchase
price,
you
also
have
to
factor
in
your
insurance
rates
and
and
what
those
monthly
expenses
are
going
to
be
same
thing
with
elect.
J
You
know,
with
with
your
vehicles,
you
see
shouldn't
just
look
at
what
is
the
cost
of
the
car
it's
over
the
course
of
owning
it?
What
is
it
going
to
cost
me
in
terms
of
Maintenance
in
terms
of
fuel
costs
and
all
of
those
when
so,
when
you
factor
them
in
electric
vehicles
are
frequently
lower
cost,
believe
it
or
not.
J
Also
the
IRA
has
ex
brand
new
tax
credits
that
are
available
and
I've
got
some
information
in
the
back.
I've
got
QR
codes
that
you
can
scan
it
and
go
right
to
the
IRS
website.
There
are
two
types
of
credits
that
individuals
can
qualify
for,
so
there's
a
new
electric
vehicle
credit
of
up
to
7
500
per
vehicle.
There's
also
now
a
new
a
used
electric
vehicle
credit,
so
that
can
be
up
to
four
thousand
dollars
for
a
used
electric
vehicle.
So
something
else
to
consider
all
right.
J
So
another
myth
is
that
there
isn't
an
EV
that
meets
my
needs
and,
as
you
can
see,
there's
lots
and
lots
of
different
choices.
J
Another
resource
that
I
have
is
in
the
back
is
from
plug-in
America
it's
their
resource
guide,
so
you
can
scan
it
and
have
the
flyer
that
shows
you
all
the
different
models
and
then
it
also
is
really
useful
because
it
shows
you
the
range
of
the
vehicles,
the
MSRP
and
then
it
links
to
the
to
the
manufacturer
so
that
you
can
get
more
information
about
a
a
model
that
you
might
be
interested
in
and
then
they
also
have
kind
of
a
questionnaire
that
you
can
go
through
and
see
which
model
would
best
meet
your
needs.
J
There
are
currently
66
models
that
are
offered
and
there
are
60
models
coming
by
2025.
So
the
the
choices
and
of
the
models
and
are
are
increasing,
as
each
manufacturer
is
announcing
new
models
coming
to
Market.
J
So
this
is
the
plug
Star
website
that
I
mentioned
that's
a
great
resource
to
check
out
another
myth
that
we
hear
all
the
time
is
that
electric
vehicles
are
going
to
make
my
fuel
cost
explode.
It's
going
to
make
my
power
bill,
go
through
the
roof
and
so
I
broke
it
down.
And
if
you
are
driving
about
a
thousand
miles
per
month,
which
is
you
know,
typically
12
000
miles
per
year,
it
costs
about
35
to
40
dollars
to
fuel
each
month
so
significantly
lower
than
fueling
with
gasoline.
J
So
if
your
car
gets
23
miles
per
gallon,
gallon
and
gas
cost
through
335,
which
I
think
they're
a
little
bit
higher
than
that
right
now,
it's
about
145
dollars
to
drive
a
thousand
miles
35
to
drive
electric
so
significantly
lower
fuel
costs.
J
Another
myth
that
I
hear
is
that
they're
inconvenient,
but
I
love
driving.
My
EV
I
do
not
miss
going
to
gas
stations,
I
pull
in
I
plug
in
in
the
evening
or
when
I
get
home
or
whenever
I
need
to
it's
not
even
actually.
Every
day
we
actually
my,
we
purchased
a
used
Nissan
Leaf
in
2017
for
8,
400
and
I
have
the
car
outside.
So
you
guys
can
take
a
look
at
it
now.
My
son
drives
it.
He
absolutely
loves
it
because
he
never
ever
has
to
pay
for
gas.
J
My
husband
has
a
Chevy
bolt
and
then
my
organization
has
a
Tesla
Model
3,
so
we're
actually
charging
three
electric
vehicles
at
our
house
and
we
do
have
rooftop
solar,
which
is
helps
offset,
but
charging
three
vehicles
and
all
of
our
fuel
costs
for
the
month
last
month
was
135
dollars
was
our
Duke
from
our
bill
from
duke.
So
you
know:
that's
most
people's
gas
bill
for
a
month
also
very,
very
low
maintenance
there's
about
10
of
the
moving
Parts
in
an
EV
than
there
are
with
a
traditional
combustion
engine.
J
So
there's
just
less
things
to
break
in
the
time
that
we've
owned
the
leaf.
We've
put
new
tires
on
it
and
we've
replaced
the
windshield
wipers
and
that's
it
in
terms
of
Maintenance,
so
they're
just
there
aren't.
You
know
oil
changes.
There
aren't
those
routine
things
that
you
have
to
do
and
I
really
don't
miss
sitting
there
waiting,
while
the
oil
is
getting
changed
either
all
right.
J
So
another
myth
is
that
you
can't
go
far
in
an
electric
vehicle
and,
as
you
can
see
in
model
year,
2011
the
the
range
was
much
lower,
went
from
63
to
to
94
miles
and
they've
steadily
increased
as
the
battery
technology
has
improved.
J
So
by
model
year
21,
the
maximum
range
was
over
405
miles
on
a
single
charge
and
the
average
is
about
234
and
that's
about
most
manufacturers
are
making
the
range
at
least
250
miles
these
days
and
that's
partly
because
the
cost
to
produce
the
batteries
has
has
been
decreasing
significantly.
So
a
90
decrease
in
the
in
the
course
of
10
years
to
manufacture
the
battery
cells.
J
Another
myth
is
that
driving
an
EV
is
just
as
dirty
because
our
our
electricity
comes
from
fossil
fuel
and
that's
just
not
correct,
because
electric
vehicles
are
so
much
more
efficient,
they're
using
so
much
less
energy
to
get
from
point
A
to
point
B.
So
when
you're
fueling
your
car
with
gas,
only
about
20
percent
of
the
gasoline
actually
move
Powers
the
wheels
to
make
the
car
go
down
the
road
with
an
electric
vehicle.
J
The
inverse
is
true
so
about
80
percent
of
the
electrons
are
moving
your
car
down
the
road,
so
you're
using
a
whole
lot
less
energy,
so
your
emissions
are
significantly
lower
when,
even
if
with
in
the
case
with
Duke
Energy,
where
our
power
here
is
mainly
sourced
by
fracked
gas
in
America,
you'd
have
to
get
a
car
that
gets
91
miles
per
gallon.
In
order
to
have
the
same
emissions
benefits
as
driving
an
electric
vehicle.
J
All
right,
another
myth
is
that
there
isn't
anywhere
to
charge
an
EV
it's
typically
because
they
just
don't
have
big
signs
like
if
they
do
for
gas
stations.
So
people
aren't
aware
that
the
charging
stations
are
there,
but
there's
an
app
on
your
phone
that
you
can
get
called
plug
share
and
you
can
see
exactly
where
all
the
charging
stations
are
also,
which
is
kind
of
exciting,
is
with
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
law
in
Formula
funding
Florida
is
going
to
get
198
million
dollars
for
DC
fast
charging.
J
So
those
are
the
Chargers
that
allow
you
to
make
Interstate
travel
or
inner.
You
know
travel
across
the
country
you
can
see.
To
date.
We
had
only
spent
27
million
dollars
on
electric
vehicle
charging
in
the
State
of
Florida.
So
that's
going
to
be
a
significant
increase
within
the
next
five
years
for
those
DC,
fast
Chargers
that
are
coming
to
our
state
and
then
there's
additional
2.5
billion
dollars
with
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
law
for
competitive
funding
that
municipalities
can
apply
for
for
for
local
charging
as
well.
J
All
right
so
I
wanted
to
switch
gears
and
just
kind
of
give
you
an
idea
of
where
we
are
in
Florida
and
globally.
Bloomberg
new
energy
Finance
projects
that
by
2040
over
70
percent
of
elect
of
vehicles
on
the
road
will
be.
Electric
Florida,
has
the
second
highest
adoption
rates
of
electric
vehicles
in
the
country.
Only
behind
California
and
the
looking
at
the
Florida
Department
of
transportation's
projections
in
their
master
plan
that
they
that
they
wrote
two
years
ago.
They
anticipate
with
the
aggressive
scenario.
J
35
percent
of
vehicles
on
roads
in
Florida
will
be
electric
by
2040..
So
we
do
a
report
every
year
called
electric
vehicles
in
the
Southeast
and
we
look
at
six
indicators.
So
this
data
comes
from
Quarter,
Two
of
2022,
so
the
end
of
July,
and
we
have
over
156
000
electric
vehicles
on
our
roads
in
Florida,
and
we
also
have
a
six
percent
market
share.
So
that
means
of
all
of
the
new
cars
that
are
being
sold
over.
Six
percent
of
them
are
electric
and
typically
with
this
kind
of
Technology.
J
When
you
see
market
share
over
five
percent,
you
start
to
see
really
steep
exponential
growth,
so
we're
anticipating
that
electric
vehicles
are
going
to
be
coming
and
coming
fast.
So
it's
exciting
that
there's
funding
that
is
happening
through
the
utilities
to
invest
in
charging
infrastructure
as
well
just
wanted
to
briefly
mention:
there
are
electric
transit
buses
that
PSTA
has
been
heavily
investing
in.
J
There
are
electric
school
buses
that
are
coming
to
Pinellas
County
from
Volkswagen
settlement
funds,
so
you'll
start
seeing
electric
school
buses
on
the
roads
for
our
kids,
which
is
great
in
terms
of
Public
Health
and
them
not
having
to
breathe
those
nasty
nasty
toxins
in
from
a
diesel
bus,
and
there
are
also
all
class
three
through
eight
electric
vehicles
that
are
coming.
So
it's
really
kind
of
fun.
J
I
was
on
19
in
holiday,
and
I
saw
a
Walmart
delivery
van
charging
at
a
charging
station,
so
it's
kind
of
cool
to
start
seeing
that
out
in
the
community.
Okay.
So
let's
talk
about
charging
your
electric
vehicle,
so
the
way
on
the
left
is
called
level
one
or
sometimes
it's
called
trickle
charging,
and
that's
basically
like
that
outlet.
Over
there
on
the
wall,
you
can
plug
your
car
into.
J
It
only
adds
about
five
miles
per
hour,
so
it's
not
a
fast
charge,
but
if
your
commute
is
40
miles
a
day
which
most
Americans
drive
under
40
miles
a
day
plug
in
in
the
evening
when
you
wake
up
in
the
morning,
your
car's
got
those
40
miles.
Added
back
and
I
did
that
for
the
first
three
years
that
we
had
the
Nissan
Leaf
I
would
just
plug
it
in
and
recharge
overnight
level.
J
Two
charging
is,
it's
like
a
240
Outlet
like
you
would
have
for
your
range
or
for
your
dryer,
and
that
adds
about
depending
on
the
amps,
but
about
30
miles
per
hour.
So
we
did
choose
to
install
a
charging
unit
in
our
garage
and
then
we
can
take
turns
charging
the
electric
vehicles,
whoever
needs
it
and
then
the
DC
fast
charging
are
those
big
units
that
you
see
along
the
highways
and
those
are
what
add
about
80
miles
of
range
in
80
percent
of
the
range
in
30
minutes.
J
So
just
visually,
it's
basically
a
glorified
extension
cord.
That's
the
level
one
charging
or
the
trickle
charging.
You
plug
it
into
the
wall,
plug
it
into
your
car
done
level
two
charging,
so
those
are
the
kind
of
charging
units
that
you
see
typically
out
in
the
community,
sometimes
they're
free
and
sometimes
they
have
a
cost
associated
with
them,
and
then
the
DC
fast
Chargers
are
the
big
units
that
you
see
out.
Typically
along
highways.
J
This
one
actually
is
over
by
the
blue,
jay
Stadium
in
Dunedin,
and
then
Tesla
has
their
own
proprietary
unit
and
they
don't
work
with
other
vehicles.
This
is
something
to
consider
and
then
just
briefly,
the
utility
rebates
that
I'm
sorry
rebates,
that
I
mentioned
there
are
federal
rebates
with
the
IRA
that
I
have
the
link
to
in
the
back.
There
are
also
utility
rebates,
so
Duke's
got
a
program
where
you
can
get
a
lower
cost
charging
unit,
and
then
that's
our
information.
J
If
you
want
to
stay
connected
with
with
us,
I
would
love
to
have
you
join
and
I
think
my
time's
up.
A
J
Little
bit
more
about
that.
Yes,
so
it's
a
program
called
their
park
and
plug
program
where
you
can
have
a
sign
up
for
with
them
for
for
rates
and
it's
a
separate
unit
for
your
EV
and
then
they
also
have,
if
you
want
in
the
community,
if
you
have
a
business
and
you
want
to
install
charging
stations,
there's
rebates
for
for
that
as
well.
J
J
J
On
a
worldwide
thing,
which
is
what
we're
trying
to
try
to
do
anyway,
what
are
your?
What
is
your
information?
That's
a
great
question,
so
she
was
asking
about
the
resources
to
create
the
batteries
and
what
that
looks
like
and
they've
they've
analyzed
that
Duke
and
that's
one
of
the
links
in
my
presentation.
So
you
can
actually
go
to
the
link
and
read
it
yourself,
but
they've
analyzed
that
it
takes
about
74
gallons
worth
of
gasoline
to
produce
a
battery.
J
So
once
you've
gone
through
what
you
would
have
you
know
used
in
terms
of
of
driving,
74
gallons
worth
of
gasoline
you've
offset
the
energy
and
the
resources
to
produce
the
battery.
So
it's
much
lower
than
people
think
and
the
researchers
she
said.
She
was
like
astonished
to
learn
how
much
lower
even
producing
the
batteries
were.
Then
then,
when
they
started
with
the
research.
K
J
So
the
batteries
you,
the
question-
is
about
batteries
and
what
the
impacts
are
at
the
end
of
use.
So
there's
two
things:
one
is
that
the
batteries
can
be
reused,
even
if
they're
60
capacity,
they
can
be
used
for
storage
impaired
with
electricity
like
you
would
for
for
homes
or
for
buildings,
so
it
it
doesn't
have
enough
capacity
to
continue
working
in
a
vehicle,
but
it
still
has
battery
life
and
an
end
of
use.
J
Life
there's
also
battery
recycling,
so
Redwood
just
announced
they're
spending,
3.5
billion,
with
a
B
to
do
battery
recycling
in
South,
Carolina
and
they're
building
a
huge
facility.
I,
don't
know
if
you
guys
are
aware
of
this,
but
in
the
Southeast,
where
known
as
now
as
the
battery
belt,
we
have
been
there.
J
International
oems
are
investing
billions
of
dollars
to
produce
batteries
in
the
southeast,
United
States
in
Georgia,
Tennessee,
South,
Carolina,
so
up
to
99
of
the
battery
component
can
be
recycled.
It's
not
like
a
traditional
lead
battery
where
it's
a
chemical
reaction
and
then
the
battery
spent
and
you've
got
this.
You
know
sludge
that
you've
got
to
get
rid
of,
or
you
know
that's.
J
That's
it
can
all
of
the
mineral
components
in
an
electric
battery
can
be
recycled
and
it's
going
to
in
order
to
get
to
100
electricity,
electric
transportation,
we're
going
to
have
to
recycle
the
components
that
are
in
the
batteries.
It's
a
lot
less
costly
to
mine
to
to
recycle
than
it
is
to
mine,
and
it's
also
less
damaging
to
the
environment,
to
be
able
to
recycle
the
battery
components.
So
you
know
that's
going
to
be
a
whole
site.
J
Industry
is
recycling
the
battery
components
and
then
just
putting
them
right
back
into
and
that's
why
they
have
the
battery
facility
being
built
in
South
Carolina,
because
then
it's
right
next
door
to
where
they're
building
the
new
batteries
that
are
going
to
go
in
tomorrow's
electric
vehicles.
E
I
I
have
two
questions:
I'm
looking
at
buying
I
I
need
to
get
a
car
this
this
year
and
I'm
looking
at
getting
the
hybrid
or
fully
electric
I'm
going
by
time.
One
two
and
three
charging
are
all
the
cars
able
to
do
that.
You
have
to
select
which
one
is
it.
You
know
when
you
buy
the
car,
and
just
second,
is
that
part
of
the
equation
of
buying
it.
J
Way,
it
depends
on
the
model,
so
almost
all
of
the
new
vehicles
that
are
fully
electric
have
a
level
one
and
two
charger,
and
then
they
have
the
DC
fast
charger
that
are
part
of
the
that
come
standard
with
the
car.
So
that's
the
first
question
the
second
question:
it
depends
on
the
model
like
the
F-150.
The
lightning
literally
has
outlets
in
the
car
that
you
plug
in,
and
you
can
run
appliances
from
your
home
so
and
they're.
A
M
J
Well,
I
mean
I.
Think
that's
part
of
the
used
tax
credit
is
to
try
to
offset
that
that
need
in
the
community
and,
like
I
mentioned
my,
you
know
with
my
personal
experience,
paying
8
400
for
a
car
that
we've
had
for
five
years
and
haven't
had
to
do
any
maintenance
on
or
any
kind.
You
know,
I
to
me,
that's
a
great
solution
and,
as
more
EVS
are
coming
on
the
road
they're
going
to
have
a
greater
aftermarket
and
used
Market
in
the
next
couple
years.
J
J
So
that's
a
great
question
and
with
the
IRA
there
are
also
tax
credits
for
installing
charging
infrastructure.
So
that
is
one
way
that,
like
a
landlord
or
you
know,
a
property
owner
could
offset
some
of
the
costs
to
install
the
charging
infrastructure.
Doing
retrofits
in
condos
and
apartments
is
really
expensive.
J
Thank
you
for
asking
that
it's
very
I'm,
very
passionate
about
it
because
there's
another
solution,
that's
really
cool
that
they
are
have
just
been
doing
in
the
city
of
Charlotte
is
power
poles.
So
if
there
was
a
light
pole
that
used
to
have
a
traditional
light
bulb
and
then
they've
gone
to
the
energy,
efficient
lighting,
there's
enough
power
to
power
an
EV
charging
station
and
they
hang
them
up
high
too.
So
it's
not
a
tripping
Hazard
for
pedestrians.
J
J
I
mean
part
of
that
is
advocating
for
the
the
tax
credits
that
are
in
the
ira.
There's
also
other
programs
to
help
like
there's
the
clean
School
Bus
program.
That's
five
billion
dollars,
that's
in
the
I,
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
law
to
help
transition
our
school
districts
there's
also
the
low
no
grants
for
transitioning
our
transit
buses,
there's
a
billion
dollars
for
medium
and
heavy
duty
vehicles
that
are
in
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
lot.
J
So
there's
it's
coming
and-
and
that's
you
know,
part
of
it
also
is
just
advocating
for
more
programs
with
our
utilities
so
that
they're
spending
money
on
electric
transportation
infrastructure
and
making
it
easier.
For
you
know
if
you
live
in
a
multi-unit
complex
to
be
able
to
to
have
access.
A
Door
is
going
to
be
available.
If
you
have
questions,
we
are
going
to
go
to
the
panel
discussion
of
the
EV
users,
okay,
I'm,
going
to
once
again
ask
you
each
to
say
your
name
first
and
let
us
know
who
you
are
first
question
we
have
is,
what
made
you
decide
to
use
to
buy
or
to
purchase
an
EV
vehicle,
and
what
did
you
purchase.
L
So
my
first
purchase
for
electric
vehicle
I
bought
my
first
one
in
2014.
I,
really
don't
like
gas
stations
I,
don't
like
the
smell
of
gas
on
my
hands
after
I
fill
up
the
car,
so
that
was
one
of
my
biggest.
You
know.
I
just
wanted
to
go.
Electric
and
I
got
a
leaf
was
least
expensive.
The
range
back
in
2014
as
Joy
showed
us
was
very
little,
but
it
was
enough
to
get
me
to
and
from
work
and
I
was
able
to
charge
with
a
regular.
C
Thanks
Frank
Brian
Beckman,
similar
reasons
for
wanting
to
get
it
I
wanted
to
try
it
out
and
see
what
it
was
like
been
super
satisfied
with
it,
and
it
was
a
leaf
as
well.
So
that
was
my
my
first
TV.
M
M
We
bought
ours
a
little
probably
later
than
than
these
gentlemen,
20
and
21,
and
a
big
part
of
it
was
just
wanting
to
to
try
to
help
get
EVS
on
the
road
adding
to
the
inventory
also
trying
to
help
the
environment
as
best
we
could
so
yeah.
A
M
Yeah
so
I
the
longest
one
I
ever
went
on
was
a
trip
to
Tallahassee
and
it
was
not
an
issue.
We
I
basically
I
drove
to
Gainesville
charged
for
30
to
45
minutes
to
have
a
level
3
charger
right
on
the
interstate.
A
Target,
so
I
walked
around
Target
for
a
little
while
and
bought
some
stuff
and
and
then
came
out
and
drove
away.
Then
I
charged
up
and
when
I
got
to
Tallahassee
and
then
I
did
the
same
thing
on
the
way
back.
M
C
So
so
my
longest
trip
has
been
to
Charlotte,
North
Carolina,
so
to
drop
off
my
daughter,
the
bolt
that
she
has
now
and
I
think
I
charged
three
or
four
times,
and
so
the
first
place
was
up
near
Jacksonville
and
an
FPL
location
that
just
happened
to
be
outside
of
an
apartment
complex
there,
and
then
the
other
ones
were
at
Walmarts
along
the
way.
C
C
We
also
have
a
Tesla
dose
charge
from
my
experience
faster
than
the
other
cars
that
we
have
or
or
had,
and
those
we
drive
back
and
forth
to
Boca
Raton
Kathleen's,
driven
it
to
Tallahassee
a
few
times.
The
critical
thing
is
having
using
the
app
on
your
phone
or
in
the
case
of
the
Tesla.
It
does
all
that
programming
for
you
in
your
car
telling
you
where
to
go.
L
The
furthest
I've
ever
taken
my
car
I,
don't
have
the
leaf
anymore
I'm
driving
a
Tesla
I've
taken
it
all
the
way
up
to
Burlington
Vermont.
It
adds
about
I
would
say
about
25.
You
know
more
time
than
it
would
take
than
if
you
were
just
taking
a
gas
car,
but
the
Tesla
does
have,
as
as
Brian
mentioned,
has
built-in
navigation.
It
tells
you
where
the
stations
are
to
stop,
so
it
makes
it
very
very
easy.
It
was
a
was
the
easiest
Drive
I've
ever
done
for
that
kind
of
distance.
L
I,
don't
like
long
distance,
driving
and
I
was
really
wasn't
such
a
bad
drive,
but
it
does
add
some
time.
You
know
it
takes
a
little
bit
of
time
to
charge,
but
you
do
wind
up
some
interesting
places
place
at
the
shop
places
to
eat,
usually
in
newer
locations.
So
you're
not
going
to
be
in
a
rough
end
of
town
or
anything
like
that.
So
it's
it's,
it
was.
It
was
a
nice
drive.
A
L
With
the
the
maintenance
is
pretty
much
what
Joy
said
you
know
tires
wipers
I've
had
my
Tesla
since
2017.
the
mechanics
over
at
Tesla.
You
know
maybe
don't
know
that
much
about
tires.
I
asked
him
to
change
my
tires.
They
said
they
were
good.
I
said
no
they're,
not
good,
they
got
so
they
had
to
go
back
and
change
the
tires,
but
otherwise
there's
not
really
much
more
to
it.
C
Yeah
one
thing
I
was
just
thinking
of
with
the
Tesla.
Is
you
really
you
can't
get
at
stuff
in
the
Tesla?
You
know
everything's
away
from
you,
you
don't
have
a
hood
like
in
a
normal
car.
You
can
go
in
and
look
at
things
in
there.
Basically,
you
can
put
in
that
kind
of
windshield
washer
fluid.
C
We
now
also
have
a
volt
and
that
one
is
a
plug-in
hybrid,
so
it
has
an
electric
drivetrain,
so
it's
always
running
off
the
batteries
if
it
goes
down
below
a
certain
number
it'll
flip
on
over
and
turn
on
a
generator
that
runs
inside
the
car
and
that
will
continuously
recharge
the
battery.
So
in
that
case
that
gas
engine
does
require
oil
and
other
stuff
that
I
guess
come
along
with
a
normal
engine.
C
I've
never
had
to
change
the
oil
on
that
car
I've
had
it
for
four
years,
because
I
very
rarely
Drive
longer
distances
with
it.
So
generally
it's
been
with
one
of
the
cars.
It's
been
tires
other
than
that
nothing
that
I've
had
to
do
to
them
and
I've
had
those
EVS.
Now
our
first
one
a
leaf.
What's
a
what's
five
or
six
years
ago,.
M
Yeah
it's
the
same
for
me,
both
of
our
cars
have
had
tires.
You
know
the
blowouts
are
probably
more
than
the
way.
Well,
there's
been
some
wear
down
on
my
my
Jaguar
I-pace
being
from
being
from
20.,
so
it's
gone
a
little
faster
than
than
a
a
combustion
engine.
Car.
Probably
my
understanding
is
because
of
weight,
which
also
likely
factored
into
the
to
the
pothole
issue
that
that
we
had
but
outside
of
that,
no
nothing,
I,
guess
the
software.
M
E
M
Had
to
try
to
put
it
into
neutral
one
time
and
trying
out
trying
to
figure
that
out
on
my
on
the
I-pace
was
I
was
like
it
was
like
three
hours,
but
once
you
figured
it
out,
it
was
fine
right,
I
mean,
but
there
wasn't
a
lot
on
the
internet
about
it
right
so
you're.
Looking
at
the
internet,
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
information.
Finally,
we
got
it
so
it
worked
out.
A
Have
any
of
you
ever
experienced
a
need
for
emergency
assistance
and
how
did
that
work.
M
S
I
guess
twice
for
the
the
software
issues
and
it
wasn't
a
problem
and
we
tow
truck,
came
picked
it
up
after
we
figured
out
how
to
put
it
in
neutral
and
and
brought
it
over
to
the
dealer.
Like
I
said
they
were
both
update,
update
issues.
C
No
really
the
the
main
thing
you
have
a
greater
attention
to
how
many
miles
you
have
left
on
your
car.
So
it's
if
you're
going
out
on
multiple
hour
drive,
so
you
pay
a
lot
more
attention
to
that
you
plan
for
that
another
example.
So,
on
the
Tesla,
you
probably
have
these
available
on
other
cars
too.
So
you
can.
C
If
you
don't
charge
them
100
all
the
time,
not
not
a
new
thing
when
you
think
about
all
the
devices
that
have
lithium
batteries
in
it,
that's
pretty
common,
and
so
if
we
go
on
a
longer
trip,
I'll
push
that
up
to
maybe
95
that
I
allow
the
car
to
get
charged
to.
But
once
we
get
done
with
the
long
trip,
I
bring
it
back
down
to
like
75
or
so
so
that's
one
of
the
things
you
pay
more
attention
to.
So
it's
a
little
bit
more
thinking
and
planning.
L
As
in
terms
of
emergency,
breakdowns,
I've
only
had
a
flat
tire
one
time
the
Teslas
don't
carry
extra
battery
extra
tires
to
keep
its
late
at
light
as
possible.
You
know
so
you're,
not
they
have
service,
they
have
their
own
service.
You
can
call,
but
I
also
keep
AAA
all
the
time
so
I've
had
that
happen.
One
time
that
I've
had
a
big
enough
flat.
That
I
had
to
get
somebody
to
come
and
tow
me,
but
otherwise
everything
else
is
standard.
I've
never
had
a
breakdown.
L
I've
never
had
a
problem
with
it,
starting
or
anything
like
that.
The
software
updates
that
Michael
was
talking
about
they
got
done
over
air
I
can
program
that
whenever
I
want
after
work
or
at
night
or
whenever
I
want
so
I've,
never
had
any
problems
with
it
not
going
or
or
breaking
down,
or
anything
like
that
and,
like
I
said
I've
had
it
since
2017
so
about
six
years
now
and
I'm
gonna
have
for
a
long
time
to
come.
So
maybe
every
year
I'll
give
you
guys
updates.
Okay,.
L
What
I
did
to
get
a
comfort
level
was
to
buy
something.
Inexpensive.
I
went
with
the
leaf
at
first
to
see
if
it
was
something
that
I
would
like
before
I
got
into
a
little
bit
more
of
expensive
vehicle.
You
learn
a
lot
about
your
driving
habits
when
you
get
electric
car
because
you
don't
ever
want
to
run
out
of
electricity,
so
you
really
find
out
that
you
don't
drive
that
much.
You
know
you
go
to
and
from
work
to
and
from
the
grocery
store
once
in
a
while.
L
You
go
to
the
airport,
and
you
realize
that
you
know
that's
for
me
anyway,
I
mean
if
I
was
a
sales
rep
driving
all
over
the
state.
I
probably
wouldn't
want
an
electric
vehicle,
but
you
know
if
you're
just
going
to
and
from
work
every
day
and
renting
your
regular
errands,
you
don't
need
that
much
range,
it's
very
rare
that
you're
going
for
a
long
distance.
Like
I
said
you
just
learn
a
lot
more
about
your
about
your
driving
habits,
and
you
realize
that
that
it
isn't,
you
know,
doesn't
take
that
much
power.
C
I
I
think
of
you
know,
really
planning
out
that
kind
of
purchase.
You
know
we
talked
about
the
tax
credits
that
are
available.
That's
something
to
think
about,
and
factor
in
to
what
your
income
level
is
with
two
of
our
EVS
that
we
purchased.
We
took
advantage
of
where
the
dealer
took
the
income
tax
credit
and
then
we
sold
to
7
500.
C
They
took
that
tax
credit
and
we
bought
it
for
seventy
five
hundred
dollars
less
whatever
we
negotiated
so
I'll
give
you
an
example:
car
MSRP,
41
000,
and
that
was
one
that
leather
Etc,
so
some
extra
safety.
Otherwise
it
would
have
been
lower
to
start
with
so
41
000
minus
the
7500
that
they
took
off
of
it
minus
negotiation
off
of
that
and
it
was
Thirty.
One
thousand
dollars
was
the
net
so
so
plan
and
and
look
for
those
kind
of
options.
M
And
Brian
took
Brian
took
my
thing:
that's
all
right.
We
did
the
same
thing
on
the
Volvo
that
we
have
so
yeah.
That
was
that
was
great
and
good
to
know
there.
There
is,
as
it
related
relates
to
the
charging
stations.
There
is
an
adapter
for
for
my
car
to
be
able
to
plug
into
a
Tesla
charger.
M
So
it's
not
like
you,
you
can't
use
those
stations
you
can
I,
or
at
least
you
know,
I've
used
ones
at
hotels
and
the
like
I
think
be
prepared
for
your
friends
to
want
you
to
drive
more.
M
You
know,
that's
a
thing:
everybody
comes
everybody
drives
to
our
house
and
then
we
drive
them
wherever
we're
going,
but
but
no
I
think
I.
Think
it's
a
it's
a
good
investment.
It's
a
fun
investment
and
it's
like
I,
said
earlier.
It's
helping
to
helping
to
build
the
inventory,
which
I
think
is
great.
I
I
will
say
that
I
was
not
I.
Didn't
have
the
forethought
that
Frank
had
on
the
on
the
gas
station
thing.
M
M
You
know
I
mean
I,
usually
just
try
to
keep
up
on
it,
as
Brian
mentioned
earlier,
setting
those
charge
levels
and
then
just
trying
to
top
it
off
every
day.
I
mean
I.
If
I'm,
if
it's,
if
I'm
really
down
you
know
to
50
miles,
or
so
my
my
vehicle
gets
about
275.,
so
it
may
take
10
hours
to
fully
charge
it
just
to
doing
it
overnight
is
what
I
would
typically
do,
but
but
normally
I'll
just
keep
it.
You
know
kind
of
topped
up.
C
So
it
depends
upon
the
car,
so
the
the
volt
holds
70
miles,
and
so,
if
I
drive
the
car
that
day,
I'm
usually
plugging
it
in
as
soon
as
I
get
home
and
I
plug
it
in
to
a
wall
outlet
that
I
have
outside
and
I'll
add
about,
as
Dory
said
about
five
miles
an
hour
to
the
car
with
the
Tesla,
it's
charging,
it's
plugging
it
in
every
two
or
three
days,
or
something
like
that,
and
sometimes
it's
to
the
110
outlet.
Sometimes
it's
to
our
level
two
charger
that
we
had.
C
It
all
depends
on
how
much
driving
to
do,
but
the
amount
of
time
is
is
is
no
more
than
what
you
spend
charging
your
phone
in
at
home.
It's
it's
really
the
same
thing.
You
know
you're.
When
you
look
on
your
phone,
it
needs
to
be
charged
you're
finding.
Where
does
my
charger?
Where
do
I
plug
it
in
you?
Do
the
same
thing
with
an
electric
car.
L
Yeah,
what
they
said
is
pretty
much
what
it
is.
You
know,
I
I
never
even
got
those
220
outlets
in
my
house
or
anywhere
I've
always
plugged
into
a
110.
again,
you
know
you're
driving
to
and
from
work
every
day,
so
you're,
whatever
20
30
miles.
You're
doing
you
know
in
this
area
you
just
plug
it
into
a
110
overnight
and
usually
you'll
get
that
charge
overnight
when
I
have
to
prepare
for
a
longer
drive.
L
If,
if
my,
if
my
charge
is
down,
then
I'll
go
to
one
of
the
you
know,
bigger
Chargers
in
the
area
that
they
were
talking
about.
You
know
that
I
was
always
going
to
the
countryside
mall,
because
when
they,
when
they
installed
them
over,
there
I
just
plug
in
there
and
take
a
walk
for
a
couple
of
hours
and
come
out
and
I'd
have
30
miles
in
the
car.
You
know
so
that's
pretty
much.
The
way
I
got
by
I
really
didn't
ever
have
to
put
a
220
in.
L
So
you
do
spend
a
minute
looking
for
them,
but
with
the
with
the
with
the
regular
driving,
you
start
to
learn
really
quick
where
your
chargers
are
you'll
you'll
have
that
figured
out
in
no
time
where
your
charges
are,
because
you
you
start
to
realize
that
again
you
don't
drive
to
that
many
places.
You
know
it's
two
Works
through
the
store
once
in
a
while
here
and
there
so
you'll
know
where
the
Chargers
are
it
won't
be.
L
It
won't
be
much
of
a
much
of
a
thought
provoker
unless
you're
you
know
going
on
going
out
of
town.
That's
when
you
really
start
to
think
about
where
they
are
and
that
kind
of
stuff.
L
I
get
as
much
free
charging
as
I
can,
when
I
had
the
leaf.
If
you
go
to
most
government
buildings,
they're
they're
free,
a
lot
of
garages,
they're
free
I've.
L
For
using
the
Chargers,
no
you
I
mean
you
I
I,
go
there
for
a
purpose
or
something
I,
I,
wouldn't
just
because
I
don't
want
to
hang
out
somewhere
where
I'm
not
supposed
to
be,
but
there's
a
lot
of
places
where
you
can
go
where
they
have
free
charging.
A
lot
of
the
stores,
the
ones
in
front
of
the
stores
are
all
programmed
for
free.
Like
I,
said:
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
at
the
countryside,
mall
plug
in
over
there
and
walk
around
the
mall.
L
It's
at
the
Whole
Foods
Whole
Foods.
Has
it
installed
so
I'd
go
in
and
purchase
something
to
Whole
Foods
and
then
go
hang
out
at
the
mall
for
a
little
bit.
That
was
a
few
years
ago.
It
might
might
have
been
less
demand
at
that
time,
but
there's
there's
a
lot
of
free
charging
and
and
at
home
as
Joy
mentioned.
It's
not
that
really
it's
not
that
hard
on
the
electric
bill.
I
think
it
might
have
been
an
extra
20
a
month.
L
Well,
as
Brian
mentioned
now,
I'm
driving
to
Tesla,
they
don't
even
let
you
play
with
the
batteries.
I
can't
even
charge
a
car
if
I
wanted
to
and
any
any
other
kind
of
car,
they
don't
leave
any
connections
for
you.
If
you,
if
you
run
out
I,
think
you'd
have
to
call
for
assistance.
I
think
that
maybe
Tesla
Service
I
don't
know
if
they
have
a
some
sort
of
a
booster
charge
or
something
but
it'd
be
pretty
hard
with
a
Tesla,
because
they
do
have
a
lot
of
charges
around.
L
K
L
Charging
space
it's
preferable
to
do
that.
It's
always
you
know
the
these.
Some
of
these
extension
cords.
You
know
when
it
comes
to
fire
safety.
Some
of
them
are
very,
very
you
know
you
can
tell
how
thin
they
are
and
they
shouldn't
be
running
too
much
current
through
them.
But
definitely
if
you
have
the
wire
that
comes
with
the
car
without
an
extension
cord,
is
the
optimum
situation
not
to
have
to
use
an
extension
cord.
But
if
you
do
you
know
you,
you
know,
whoever
has
it
should.
L
C
A
M
I
guess
the
you
know,
you
learn,
you
know
the
etiquette
of
charging
at
a
place
like
a
hotel,
real,
quick
right,
I
mean
there's,
usually
you
know
a
charger
or
two
at
those
places,
and
you
really
you
know
you
want
to
charge
as
much
as
you
need
and
then
move
on,
so
somebody
else
can
use
it,
but
outside
of
that,
I
don't
really
have
too
much
to
add
I
mean
I'll
say
that
for
the
city
as
we
plan
to
purchase
electric
vehicles,
you
know
we've
looked
at
mobile
electric
charging
Vehicles
like
a
vehicle
that
can
go
out
into
the
field
and
charge
a
vehicle
that
has
lost
all
charge,
those
sorts
of
things,
so
those
things
definitely
exist,
but
but
we're
still
in
the
research
phase
on
some
of
that
stuff.
M
A
M
We
have
a,
we
have
a
green
Fleet
policy
that
was
put
into
place
last
year
about
a
year
ago,
a
little
more
a
year
ago.
You
know
we're
we're
targeting
I,
believe
it's
2025
as
the
date
in
which
we're
not
going
to
purchase
any
more
new
non-heavy
Duty
non-emergency
combustion
engine
Vehicles,
so
we're
working
to
prepare
ourselves.
For
that.
You
know
the
the
biggest
challenge
we've
we've
run
to
is
well
a
couple
challenges,
one
is:
is
the
back
order
of
vehicles
and.
M
Types
of
vehicles
we
need,
at
the
very
least
and
the
the
second
one
would
be
just
upgrading
Transformers
coming
into
various
places,
so
we're
working
through
all
those
issues
using
things
like
solar
instead
of
the
electrical
grid,
to
charge
to
charge-
and
you
know
any
other
pieces,
the
other
big
piece
that
we're
working
on
is
the
is
the
mechanic
side
of
it.
You
know
we
need
to.
We
need
to
be
able
to
to
fix
the
vehicles
and
they
are
very
different
than
than
a
combustion
engine
vehicle
So,
that's
its
own
challenge.