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A
Good
afternoon,
everybody
and
and
welcome
to
our
june
full
commission
meeting
it's
great
great
great,
to
see
everybody
in
person
and
to
be
back
together
we're
waiting
on
a
few
more
people
which
would
allow
us
to
have
a
quorum
for
our
actual
vote
today.
But
I
don't
see
any
reason
why
we
can't
go
ahead
and
get
started
with
the
business
and
and
be
respectful
of
everyone's
time.
A
So
what
we'll
do
is
push
the
approval
of
the
minutes
back
unless
there's
objection,
push
it
to
the
end
of
the
meeting
and
vote
for
it,
then
so
all
righty.
This
is
her
first
meeting
in
person
in
months,
so
it's
it's
real.
It's
great
to
be
out
it's
great
to
get
dressed
fully
and
come
out
and
see
everybody,
even
though
we
know
that
the
pandemic
is
still
amongst
us.
I'm
grateful
that
we're
here
we're
safe
all
right,
so
we've
called
to
order.
You
know
today
per
the
minutes.
A
We
are
going
to
begin
our
presentation
of
recommendations
from
the
different
working
groups
that
have
been
working
on
the
recommendations
per
the
sections
they've
been
assigned
to
and
we'll
have
today
group
one
and
group
three
who
are
going
to
be
our
first
to
present
so
before
that
I
wanted
to
just
go
through
and
give
the
other
groups
who
are
not
presenting
recommendations
today,
just
an
opportunity
to
give
an
update
on
where
they
stand
and
we'll
decide
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
who
the
groups
are,
that
will
be
presenting
recommendations
for
next
month's
full
commission
meeting
so
for
instructions.
A
If
there's
any
question
or
feedback,
that's
given
to
anything
presented
today,
please
use
that
middle
mic,
that's
there
and
live
so
that
you
can
be
heard
and
for
anybody,
who's,
presenting
anything
recommendations
or
just
an
update.
If
you
could
come
to
the
podium
and
use
the
podium
and
that
microphone
that
would
be
appreciated
all
right.
A
So
with
that,
let's
get
started.
Working
group
updates,
we'll
start
with
group
two.
Is
there
someone
here
to
give
an
update
for
group
two.
A
B
Okay,
great,
thank
you,
madam
chair
good
afternoon,
to
all
my
name
is
gwen
ruff
and
I
will
provide
a
very
brief
update
from
group
number
two.
Our
chairperson
is
alton
russell,
and
so
I
stand
here
before
you
in
his
stead.
B
Our
group
number
two
we've
had
some
very
good
conversations
as
you
can
see
by
the
minutes
that
have
been
submitted
since
that
time.
We
have
made
a
preliminary
recommendation
of
those
points
that
we
brought
up
and
we
have
provided
that
to
the
legal
staff
to
the
legal
team.
They
have
provided
us
with
some
feedback
and
we
will
go
back
together
again
review
the
feedback
that
we've
received
and
we
will.
We
will
be
prepared
to
make
a
formal
recommendation
at
the
next
meeting
in
july.
B
The
main
things
that
we
were
looking
at
are
the
term
limits
for
the
city
council
members,
we're
looking
to
add
some
clarification
on
how
we
communicate
with
the
public
relative
to
information
that
comes
from
the
council,
and
we
are
also
looking-
and
we
will
have
more
discussion
about
incorporating
in
the
charter
some
language
dealing
with
ethics
and
conflict
of
interest
for
the
council
members.
So
I'm
subject
to
any
questions
or
any
comments.
Madam
chair
I'll
turn
the
floor
back
over
to
you.
A
A
Thank
you.
So
much.
Thank
you.
Working
group
number
two
working
group
number
four.
Is
there
someone
here
that
can
give
an
update
on
that
group.
A
C
C
If
you
were
to
want
to
reference
that
I've
got
in
front
of
me
at
section
6-201
and
it's
just
a
simple
clean
up,
some
of
the
verbage
of
when
we
would
hold
that
election
and
try
to
align
that
better
to
the
state
rules
when
a
special
election
should
be
called.
I
don't
have
the
the
verbage.
We
went
over
if
anybody's
curious.
C
C
C
If
you
ever
went
through
this
and
read,
I'd
encourage
anybody
to
read
what
it
takes
to
petition
the
government
for
anything
and
it's
there
may
be
some
areas
that
could
be
cleaned
up
here,
and
so
we
had
talked
about
possibly
just
at
this
meeting
kind
of
presenting
that
to
the
group
just
to
kind
of
start
that
discussion.
If
somebody
wanted
to
look
in
that
direction
and
see
if
there's
something
there
later
again,
we
haven't
anything.
We
have
done
nothing
on
that,
except
just
barely
scratch,
the
surface
of
what
needs
to
be
there.
C
We
have
discussed
what
it
would
take
to
run
for
office
and
to
hold
office,
and
if
those
running
for
office
say
you
want
to
run
for
mayor,
you
want
to
hold
the
office
for
mayor.
Are
those
two
terms
mutually
exclusive,
or
should
we
somehow
kind
of
blend
them
together?
In
other
words,
you're
running
for
office,
but
you
haven't,
provided
the
proper
documentation
to
you
want
to
hold
office.
You
want
to
run
for
office,
maybe
a
second
time.
For
the
first
time
you
haven't
provided
the
proper
documentation
to
do
so.
C
We
we
figured
out-
that's
probably
outside
of
the
scope
of
our
section,
so
I
don't
think
that's
an
issue
we'll
be
addressing
directly,
but
it's
very
it's
a
short
update
and
I
hope
that
matters
here.
I
don't
know
that
we'll
be
ready
to
present
next
time,
but
we'll
get
with
eyes
and
some
others
in
the
group
and
see
if
we
will
be
or
not.
Okay,.
A
Well,
we're
going
to
talk
about
that
when
we
have
the
opportunity
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
Thank
you.
So
much
working
group
number
five.
I've
seen
a
couple
people
come
in.
Has
anyone
from
working
group
number
four
arrived
and
give
us
a
little
update.
D
A
D
Of
fame
ken's,
our
spokesperson,
you
should
have
stood
up
yeah.
We
we
are
meeting
with
councillor
thomas
this
week
next
week.
Is
that
right?
Is
it
next
week
next
week
to
talk
through
a
couple
of
the
areas
that
we're
looking
at
related
to
the
quarters
court
and
a
couple
of
other
issues
that
so
we
really
don't
have
them.
A
Today,
okay,
all
right,
we
look
forward
to
it
next
month.
Thank
you.
So
those
are
the
working
groups
that
are
not
presenting
their
recommendations
and
thank
you
all
again
for
your
work.
I've
been
on
your
meetings.
I
know
that
you're
meeting
and
that
you're
discussing
things.
I
just
want
to
encourage
you,
as
I
did
last
month.
Let's,
let's
push
on.
A
E
E
Our
subcommittee,
I
think
we've
got
a
great
team,
a
good
mix
we've
got
mike
and
chris
here,
we've
got.
You
know
two
attorneys
a
couple
mbas
and
we've
got
former
city
council.
I
mean,
I
think
it's
a
very
strong
group
mike's
been
great
at
helping
provide
insight
into
his
experience
in
city
council
and
some
suggestions.
He
thought
of
ken
understands
a
lot
of
dealing
with
real
estate
with
the
city
the
same
as
chris
and
then
pete
robinson
also
has
a
background
with
government
advocacy
advocacy
as
an
attorney.
E
E
So
as
a
summary,
we
really
focus
on
article
seven,
one
and
two
is
really
just
kind
of
defining
the
powers
of
the
city
government
and
a
lot
of
it
is
just
based
on
what
we're
allowed
to
have
from
georgia.
E
E
There
is
a
section
on
borrowing
and
indebtedness,
property,
tax,
administration,
budgeting
and
procurement.
We
really
focused
on
one
four
and
five,
so
the
first
suggestion
which
we
may
work
with
the
mayor
and
the
city
manager
to
see
if
this
is
still
needed,
based
on
timing.
But
right
now
the
current
language
defines
that
the
the
medical
millage
really
goes
to
hospital
purposes,
which
is
an
an
outdated
term.
It
refers
to
a
1949
definition
that
refers
to
the
city
hospital
and
it
can
be
viewed
as
restrictive.
E
It
doesn't
allow
city
council
to
look
at
other
health
care
purposes,
and
sometimes
it
can
be
viewed
as
getting
it
locked
into
the
medical
center.
So
we
think,
by
making
this
definition
a
little
bit
more
broader,
it
allows
a
more
updated.
It
allows
city
council
to
one
decide
if
there's
other
better
uses
of
the
money,
and
also
it
gives
a
little
more
leverage
to
negotiate
as
they're
doing
these
contracts
each
year.
E
E
This
was
a
little
bit
tricky
because
if
the
mayor
and
city
manager
and
city
council
can
work
with
the
general
assembly,
this
change
to
the
charter
may
not
be
needed.
We're
going
to
monitor
that
as
we
work
with
them
to
make
sure
we
want
to
see
the
change
regardless,
but
if
it's
easier
to
go
through
the
general
assembly,
we're
obviously
happy
to
take
that
route.
E
But
if
you
have
any
comments,
please
speak
up.
A
F
Yeah,
I
think,
there's
a
real
good
chance
that
the
mayor
and
city
manager
and
then
dean
smarry
can
get
that
accomplished
early
in
the
session.
Okay,
this
is
a
housekeeping
measure
because
the
earlier
the
better
on
this
ones
and
then,
if
not,
then
of
course,
this
recommendation
could
go
forward.
F
E
E
When
you
look
at
the
annual
budget
each
year,
you
can
see
last
year's
budget
and
kind
of
next
year's
budget,
or
you
can
see
some
actual
some
budget,
but
it's
really
hard
to
see
all
right
the
past
three
years.
What
did
we
say
was
going
to
get
spent
and
what
was
spent
and
my
experience
with
cfo.
That's
the
that's
the
main
request
for
my
board
right
like
what
did
you
say
you
were
going
to
spend
and
what
did
you
spend?
E
But
you
know
we've
spent
a
month
trying
to
get
this
report
and
the
feedback
we
received
was
that
it's
just
too
difficult
to
build
and
it'll
be
a
large
effort
which
I
think
that's
why
we
want
it
in
the
charter
from
a
you
know,
before
I
was
on
the
charter
review
committee,
I
was
chair
of
the
public
safety
advisory
commission
and
one
issue
that
this
lack
of
reporting
kind
of
highlighted
was
each
year
public
safety
you'd
see
the
actual
spend,
and
then
you
see
the
budget
much
higher
the
next
year,
but
you're
like
that's
great
right.
E
We
need
more
money
going
to
public
safety.
The
problem
is
each
year
they
weren't
actually
spending
that
much,
and
so
the
actuals
were
consistently
well
below
the
budget.
But
without
this
reporting,
that's
not
very
obvious
to
anyone
and
the
fact
that
we've
spent
a
month
trying
to
produce
this
report
and
couldn't
do
it.
I
think
highlights
that
it's
unrealistic
for
anyone
to
have
this
information
that's
easily
consumable.
E
All
right
there's
no
questions
on
it,
I'll
move
to
the
next
one.
This
is
another
standard,
best
practice
from
board
governance.
Is,
I
have
an
audit
committee,
I
know
we
have
it
at
our
company
and
it's
helpful
because
you
know
you
have
a
large
board
and
a
lot
of
times.
They
can
predict
they'll
view
the
financials
or
they'll
get
the
audit
and
everyone's
kind
of
like
looking
at
nodding
their
head,
but
it
helps
to
have
a
select
group
who
is
responsible
for
really
digging
into
that
and
also
you
can
get
more
informed
people.
E
You
know
people
who
have
more
of
a
background
in
accounting
or
finance
to
be
on
that
audit
committee.
So
our
suggestion
is,
there
should
be
three
council
members
and
they
can
appoint
outside
advisors
and
they
also
need
to
be
able
to
meet
in
private.
I
think
that's
important
a
lot
of
times.
If
there's
a
concern,
you
don't
want
to
bring
it
to
the
overall
attention
because
you
don't
know
this
actual
issue.
Yet
you
need
to
do
the
research.
You
need
to
do
the
analysis
and
so
there's
a
potential.
E
Concern
you
hand
it
to
the
audit
committee.
Let
them
do
their
research
and
then,
if
there
are
findings
that
need
to
be
brought
public,
they
can
do
that,
but
if
it
turns
out
everything's
okay,
you
know
you
haven't
wasted
the
public's
time.
Listening
to
something
that
was
a
non-issue.
I
said.
I
think
this
is
pretty
standard
for
board
governance.
E
Mike
did
some
research
and
showed
it.
It
was
considered
best
practice
by
the
government,
finance
officers
association,
and
so
we
think
it's
a
you
know
just
a
best
practice.
I
would
like
to
incorporate
that
for
the
city
council
going
forward
all
right,
there's
no
com,
questions,
I'll
move
to
our
fourth
suggestion:
this
is
a
new
option
for
disposition.
E
What
we
found-
and
this
is
a
lot
of
times
working
with
lucy
and
getting
her
explanation-
is
there
are
pieces
of
land
that
the
city
owns
and
it's
not
really
valuable
to
the
city,
but
they
can't
just
give
it
away
because
it
does
have
real
value.
And
so
how
do
you?
You
know
you
don't
want
to
just
necessarily
disrupt
the
commit
the
community
by
doing
a
wholesale
auction,
but
really
all
the
people
that
are
interested
in
it
are
just
the
neighbors
right.
E
So
this
is
like
a
small
piece
of
land-
maybe
it's
just
it's
unoccupied,
but
sitting
next
to
a
business,
and
so
it
really
shouldn't
be
valuable
to
anyone
else,
except
for
that
business.
So
you
don't
want
to
give
it
away,
but
you
don't
want
to
provide
an
overall
option.
So
how
do
you
more
seamlessly
dispose
of
that
property?
And
so
the
new
suggestion
is
going
to
be
an
option
for
the
city
to
sell
the
land
at
fair
market
value
to
one
of
the
adjacent
landowners.
E
As
long
as
there's
proper
notification,
you
know
notifying
the
the
other
adjacent
landowners
making
sure
that
it's
published
in
the
newspaper,
but
just
giving
them
a
little
bit
easier
process
to
dispose
of
some
of
those
properties
which
you
know,
I
think,
there's
obviously
the
the
sell
that
property
generates
some
cash,
but
it
also
starts
generating
ongoing
tax
property
tax
revenue
for
those
properties,
and
it's
also
just
less
land
for
the
city
to
manage.
A
So
tyson
what
happens
now
to
that
land.
G
Absolutely
condemnation,
proceeding
where
property
is
left
over
or
without
a
public
sale,
which
runs
the
risks
that
someone
else
will
bid
on
the
property
so
that
basically,
this
would
be
advertised
just
like
the
sale
process.
But
it
would
just
allow
the
use
of
an
appraised
value
and
selling
to
only
an
adjoining
property
owner.
E
And
with
the
notifications
we're
putting
in
place,
you
know
to
the
adjusted
landowners
if
it
looks
like
it's
selling
for
less
than
fair
market
value,
and
someone
else
actually
has
an
interest
in
it.
They
can
raise
that
concern.
They
can.
You
know
they
can
receive
the
normal
option,
but
this
is
really
focused
on
you
know:
there's
not
value,
except
for
that.
You
know
specific
landowner.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
sell
it
to
them,
and
you
know
clean
up
our
inventory.
E
So,
if
there's
not
like,
I
said,
I
think
we're
going
to
proceed
with
the
legal
write-up
of
this
and
we
can
submit
that
to
the
overall
committee
in
the
next
few
months.
But
that's
how
we'll
proceed
so
we're
still
in
discussion
on
july
9th
we've
got
a
meeting
with.
H
I'm
understanding
this
correctly.
If
I
live
in
the
same
neighborhood
as
say,
maybe
a
property,
that's
tax
delinquent,
then
I
could
be
a.
I
could
purchase
this
property
if
I
live
adjacent
to
it.
E
E
G
E
And
no
one
knows
what
to
do
with
it.
So
why
not
sell
it
to
someone,
so
they
can
get
value
for
it
and
they
can
pay
some
property
taxes
on
it.
H
And
thanks
for
that-
and
I
apologize
it
took
me
a
second
to
get
my
request-
speak
kind
of
in
order
there.
Could
you
go
back
to
this
live
with
the
medical
center
authority
piece,
just
one
question
that
I
had
there.
I
know
that
it
makes
the
most
sense
to
pass
this
to
council
and
allow
them
to
address
it.
H
E
So
I
think
our
point,
our
goal
is
to
provide
more
flexibility
to
city
council.
Okay,
so
city
council
currently
makes
those
decisions.
We
don't
want
to
take
that
away.
We
want
to
keep
it
with
city
council,
but
this
just
gives
them
more
flexibility
as
to
who
they
want
to
do
the
contracts
with.
So
we
don't
want
to
get
into
too
much
advisory
where
it
should
go
or
what
shouldn't
go.
That's
completely
city
council.
We
just
want
to
give
them
more
leverage
and
more
flexibility.
H
E
So
those
four
like
I
said,
we'll
provide
some
legal
language
for
the
committee
to
review.
Still
in
discussion,
we've
got
a
meeting
on
july,
9th,
with
angelico
and
pam
to
focus
on
revenue,
streams
and
tabs.
I'm
sorry,
revenue,
streams
and
maps.
We've
still
got
some
active
conversations
about
tads.
You
know
just
we
like
the
way
they're
working.
How
do
we
make
sure
that
they're
protected
and
as
efficient
as
possible?
E
And
then
I
know
all
of
the
subcommittees
have
mentioned?
How
do
we
modernize
the
notifications
and
so
we'll
work
with
all
the
subcommittees?
Regarding
that
change,
and
so
you
know,
in
summary,
like
I
may
have
said,
we've
got
the
four
recommendations
around
the
health
care
definition
or
hospital
definition
being
changed
to
health
care,
the
budgeting
versus
actual
reporting,
the
audit
committee,
the
disposition
of
property
and
the
notifications,
and
then
we've
got
the
other
three
topics
that
are
still
in.
K
You're
talking
about
a
private
committee
and
when
I
hear
the
word
private
with
city
government
that
bothers
me
a
little
bit
and
maybe
the
meeting
would
be
open
to
the
public.
I
don't
know,
but
I
think
have
you
all
considered
having
representation
from
the
public
to
serve
on
that
audit
committee
and
I'm
mike.
I
don't
know
if
it'd
be
appropriate
for
the
actual
auditor
to
be
on
that
committee
or
not.
But.
K
I
E
K
E
E
So
maybe
so
so
the
ideas
to
require
an
outside
advisor.
I
guess
what
our
initial
thoughts
were.
It
depends
on
the
purpose
of
what
type
of
outside
advisor
we
want
to
have.
So
if
the
I.
K
L
K
L
A
No,
I
I
get
that,
but
I
I
also
completely
get
the
nature
of
your
typical
audit
committee
is
to
meet
in
furtherance
of
what's
already
been
presented,
probably
publicly
and-
and
there
is
a
chance,
as
you
mentioned,
that
if
the
public
were
invited-
or
you
know
whomever
outside
of
the
three
council
people
that
something
mentioned
might
be
provocative
and
turn
out
never
to
be,
but
it's
out
there
then
and
they've.
A
K
E
M
What
was
there?
You
know?
How
did
they
resolve
those
findings?
There
would
be
a
public
disclosure
at
some
point.
Also.
Some
of
this
could
be
involved
in
an
ongoing
audit,
which
really
is
a
confidential
work
product
until
it's
finished,
so
you
wouldn't
have
any
disclosure
during
that
that
particular
time
and
also
your
counselors
are
bound
by
ethics
laws.
As
far
as
confidentiality
goes,
another
person
coming
in
would
not
be
so.
L
M
And
but
then
certainly
the
council
would
have
a
right
to
bring
in
an
advisor,
which
I
know
you
don't
like
that
term.
But
if
there
was
a
complicated
issue,
if
there
was
a
complicated
issue
that
needed
advice,
you
get
your
advisor
sure
sure,
but
but
that
was-
and
I'm
not
saying
now
that-
and
I
think
we
all
know
the
council
has
the
option
to
create
it.
Now
we
don't
charter
doesn't
have
to
give
them
that
permission.
M
M
And-
and
maybe
it
was
council
was
uncomfortable
setting
it
up.
Maybe
we
all
had
our
hands
full
with
other
things
and
didn't
need
another
committee
to
worry
about
whatever
the
reasoning
was
it
just
never
seemed
to
gain
momentum
and
it
was
never
able
to
be
accomplished
and
I'm
not
blaming
anybody
I
mean
I
was
I
was
there,
it
just
never
was
able
to
be
worked
out
and
I
think
it's
a
you
know
we're
not
a
small
business
anymore,
we're
I
think
our
what
budget
was
fishing,
300
million
dollars
and
almost
2
000
employees.
F
Officially,
it's
going
to
be
governed
by
the
open
meetings
act
and
their
meetings
would
have
to
be
open
to
the
public.
Now
they
could
still
have
executive
sessions
or
staff
meetings
that
were
confidential
depending
on
you
know
what
the
topic
was,
if
there's
some
legal
issue
or
something
they
needed
the
internal
auditor
to
speak
with
them
about
privately.
F
E
F
E
Those
kind
of
confidential
meetings-
I
think,
need
to
happen,
and
so
we'll
have
to
work
with
the
language
to
understand
the
boundaries
and
then
maybe
set
expectations
for
how
it
would
operate
to
make
sure
they
have
the
the
ability
to
meet.
F
Potentially,
and
if
you
do
want
specific
language
in
the
charter,
it'll
just
have
to
be
subject
to
georgia
law
dealing
with
open
meetings
or
if
your
group
wants
to
recommend
to
the
council
that
they
consider
an
audit
committee
going
forward.
You
can
do
that
without
formally
putting
it
in
the
charter,
but
either
way
it's
going
to
be
governed
subject
to
the
georgia,
open
meetings,
law
and
open
records
law.
A
I
I
think
it's
great
thinking.
I
think
it's
exactly
why
we're
meeting
you
know
things
that
20
30
40
years
ago,
just
weren't
thought
of
because
it
wasn't
best
practiced
or
maybe
practiced
at
all,
but
now
it
is
now
when
you're
dealing
with
budgets
and
and
monies
and
responsibilities
like
this
city
government,
it's
not
uncommon.
To
think
that
an
audit
committee
would
be
in
place
and
certainly
going
forward.
So
I
I
think
it's
definitely
something
that
we
should
fine-tune
for
the
practical
aspect
of
it,
but
conceptually,
I
think
it's
spot-on.
C
One
more
tyson
did
we
right
now,
there's
nothing
that
constitutes
having
an
audit
committee,
so
we're
kind
of
we're
creating
this
position
correct,
correct
who
appoints
the
audit
committee
who
decides
who's
on
there
is?
It
can
be
city
council.
E
That
that
should
be
city
council.
In
my
experience,
like
you
know,
you
you
have
the
group
and
they're
looking
at
who'll
be
most
appropriate
for
this.
You
know
committee
right
so
do
we
have
some
accounting
and
finance
or
just
has
a
personal
interest
in
it
right,
so
you
try
to
attract
the
people
who
are
qualified
and
have
a
desire
to
work
in
the
audit
committee.
C
Yeah
that
makes
sense
and
inside
that
you
know
we
into
to
john's
point
it
private
was
brought
up.
When
I'm
reading
your
presentation,
it's
every
other
lines.
You
know
every
every
every
sentence.
Basically,
we
brought
up
the
need
for
it
to
be
held
in
private.
So
I
thought
about
that.
A
lot
and
I
do
agree
in
my
business-
we're
audited
a
lot.
C
I
mean
we,
we
probably
audit
more
than
most
we
have
self
auditors
and
and
we're
entrusted
with
personal
and
private
information
from
our
not
only
our
customers,
but
our
employees
and
some
of
that
stuff
is
governed
and
it
needs
to
stay
private
to
a
certain
point
and
obviously
the
the
results
of
the
audit.
Just
the
mere
question
of
an
audit.
In
some
cases,
I
think
somebody
brought
up
could
insinuate
guilt
when
it's
really
not.
It
may
be
found
not
guilty
in
the
end
by
the
audit
committee
right.
E
Right
because
it's
it's
not
necessarily
they're
doing
an
audit,
so
it
could
be.
Do
we
need
to
change
auditors
sure
you
know:
do
we
need
to
change
our
staff?
Are
we
you
know?
Did
the
audit
committee
mention
something
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
monitor,
and
you
know,
does
if
the
audit
committee
has
a
question?
Who
can
they
contact
to
make
sure
that
it's
going
to
get
addressed?
And
so
I
think
it's
it's
not
necessarily
an
investigative
committee,
but
just
someone
who
can
focus
on
the
financials.
E
A
H
Good
afternoon
everyone,
I'm
norman
hartman,
I
hope
you're
doing
well
so
I'm
presenting
for
action
group
three.
Today
we
are
responsible
for
article
four
I'll
kind
of
speak
to
some
of
the
things
that
tyson
and
clifton
were
talking
about.
The
biggest
thing
I
think
for
all
of
our
groups
of
the
charter
is
learning
where
our
bounds
are
right.
We
start
to
kind
of
get
on
that
hunt
of
changing
and
saving
the
saving
columbus
and
we
realize
we
don't
have
auspices
there.
H
H
Thank
you
for
being
here,
so
we
really
have
two
recommendations
from
our
action
group
and
the
first
deals
with
the
city
officers
and
the
second
deals
with
our
actions
or
authorities,
boards
and
commissions,
and
so
we
really
have
in
article
four
we're
covering
the
executive
branch
and
executive
powers.
H
If
you
want
to
flip
to
article
four
with
us-
and
it
really
covers
the
mayoral
and
the
city
officers
as
well
as
authorities,
boards
and
commissions,
those
particular
executive
powers
and
the
first
area
that
I'd
like
to
draw
your
attention
to
is
4-2-0-1,
paragraph
15
and
I'll
read
it
there.
H
So
this
deals
with
the
mayor's
authority
to
make
recommendations
to
approve
or
remove
a
city
officer,
and
here
it
states,
division
heads
that
really
that
title
really
inaccurately
addresses
our
city
officers
and
so
all
we're
doing
is
making
exchange
for
the
title
division
head
and
we're
in
substituting
in
city
officers.
So
it's
very
it's
really
that
simple,
just
making
sure
that
we're
staying
in
line
with
with
current
language
and
the
second
section
which
is
like
it
is
4-6-10,
paragraph
3..
So
just
flip.
H
Over
a
few
pages
there,
I'll
read
from
from
paragraph
three
says,
the
personnel
review
board
shall
consist
of
five
regular
members
and
five
alternate
members.
Each
alternate
member
shall
be
designated
as
the
alternate
for
a
particular
regular
member
in
the
absence
of
any
regular
member.
The
alternate
so
designated
for
his
or
her
place
shall
sit
as
a
substitute
for
said,
absent
member
and
shall
be
empowered
to
act
as
a
regular
member
until
such
time
as
the
proceedings
begun
in
the
absence
of
the
regular
member
are
concluded.
H
So
obviously,
the
key
key
phrase
that
we
slow
down
on
is
particular
regular
member.
Currently,
each
designee
or
each
regular
member
has
an
alternate
assigned
specifically
to
that
regular
member
makes
more
sense
to
have
all
of
the
alternates
available
to
fill
any
vacancy
at
any
time.
If
a
regular
member
vacates
a
seat.
Currently,
we
would
have
to
designate
that
specific
alternate.
If
that
alternate
leaves
columbus
leaves
the
area
something
happens,
then
now
we
have
to
provide
another
alternate,
go
through
the
the
formalities
of
providing
another
alternate
for
that
regular
member.
H
So
this
just
gives
council
more
flexibility
and
making
sure
that
someone
they
have
a
pool
to
draw
alternates
from
for
the
personnel
review
board
and
that
those
are
our
simple
recommendations
for
updates
to
section
4
or
article
4
of
the
charter,
and
we
have
a
new
action
item
on
the
table
that
we
will
begin
addressing
next
month.
So
we
have
one
item
pending.
Thank
you
clifton
and
lucy.
H
They
have
been
very
instrumental
in
making
sure
that
we've
gone
through
article
four
with
the
fine
tooth
comb
and
we
think
that
we've
gotten
all
the
high
points,
and
so
we
look
forward
to
bringing
our
next
action
item
to
the
floor
very
soon.
With
that
yield
and
open
the
floor
for
any
questions
or
comments.
A
I've
got
a
question
norma
just
to
make
sure
I
understand
so.
The
the
alternate
per
representative
is,
if
I'm
the
representative,
I
have
an
alternate
that
if
I'm
not
available
will
always
replace
me
and
so
does
tyson,
and
what
we're
suggesting
by
way
of
this
recommendation
is
more
like
a
like
alternates
on
a
jury.
If
anybody
goes
out,
the
alternate
replaces
whomever
went
out.
H
K
K
It's
4-201
that
he
mentioned
and
then
it's
paragraph
15.
subject
to
the
approval
of
six
members
of
council.
Removing
division
heads
does
not
replace
section
4-335
dismissal
of
city
officers
in
paragraph
two
of
that
the
mayor
may
remove,
dismiss
and
discharge
any
city
officer.
Such
dismissal
shall
be
effective
immediately,
subject
to
the
affected
city
officers
right
to
appeal,
just
to
be
sure
that
the
mayor
everybody
understands
the
mayor
still
has
the
right
to
fire
those
city
officers
and
then
those
city
officers
have
the
right
to
appeal
it
and.
K
F
A
K
What
bothered
me
clifton
in
that
was
it
in
this:
it
specified
the
fire
chief,
which
is
one
of
the
city
officers
right.
I
K
F
F
K
Yeah,
but
I
think
yeah,
I
that
that
I
understand,
but
when
it
mentioned
fire
chief.
F
I
K
A
H
Question
for
you,
madam
chair,
in
terms
of
proposals:
how
do
we,
how
do
you
want
us
to
move
forward
with
from
submitting
proposals.
A
Okay,
well,
I've
got
some
clarity
around
that
this
week
from
lucy.
Thank
you.
What
the
recommendations
are
when
we
come
before
this
group
and
give
recommendations
are
just
that
and
we
we
want
exactly
what's
happened
today,
input
questions.
What
have
you
we
will
not
be
voting
per
se
on,
what's
going
to
move
forward
to
the
next
step,
which
is
the
public
hearings,
but
we
want
input
because
what
we
take
to
the
public
hearings
is
this
commission's
recommendations.
A
A
We
give
our
feedback,
we
might
have
to
go
and
tweak
do
a
little
more
research,
but
ultimately
later
this
year,
when
we
turn
over
the
recommendations
to
the
public
hearing
portion,
it
will
represent
all
of
us
and
then
we'll
take
from
the
public
hearing
all
the
feedback
that
we're
inviting
the
public.
To
give
and
at
some
point
we
will
have
to
vote
on
what
moves
forward
to
the
ballot.
But
not
at
this
point
we're
just
recommending.
A
G
Please
lucy
right.
We
do
have
some
options,
but
I
think
the
recommendation
would
be
that
we
continue
this
discussion.
We
get
consensus
and
at
the
point,
when
we're
ready
to
go
to
the
public
hearings,
maybe
you
do
take
a
vote
on
each
proposal
and
then,
if
the
public
hearings
change
your
mind
about
what
you
want
to
recommend
as
your
final
recommendation,
then
you
can
come
back
and
take
another
vote
to
eliminate
or
add
items
after
the
two
public
hearings.
A
But
at
any
event
like
today,
we're
not
going
to
vote
on
those
recommendations,
and
we
know
that
you
know
there
may
be
an
addendum
to
the
two
presentations
today.
But
it
is
important
because
the
recommendations
are
the
recommendations
of
the
commission
in
total.
So
it's
important
that
a
we
be
here
be
present
and
and
give
our
concerns
because
they
will
represent
all
of
us.
A
J
I
think
I'm
I'm
following
up
on
john's
deal
right
here
that
I
thought
I
had
was
kind
of
clear,
but
it
looks
like
that.
The
recommendation
is
to
change
on
that
paragraph
15.
J
Instead
of
saying
division,
heads
we're
going
to
include
we're
just
going
to
change
that
to
city
officials
or
city
officers.
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct!
Okay!
Now
I
think
the
part
that
that
now
that
I'm
not
quite
unclear
on
is
that
in
paragraph
15,
it
specifically
says
fire
chief
police
and
fire
chief
and
such
other
officers
as
prescribed
by
ordinance,
then
over
here
in
in
this
other
section,
this
4-35
it
talks
about
specifics
of
the
of
I
mean
it
says,
city
officer
and
any
city
officer's
right
to
appeal.
J
So
I
guess
what
I
mean.
What
my
question
is
now
I
understand
changing
it
to
from
division
heads
to
city
officials
or
city
offices.
I
understand
that
which
is
simple,
but
when
you
specify
only
two
and
then
you
say
and
such
others,
what
does
that
do
to
that
paragraph
about
where
it
talks
about
any
city
officer,
I
mean
shouldn't
something
in
there
be
specific
about
what
a
city
officer
is
I
mean.
That's
I
mean
it
just
seemed
like
that.
J
B
For
me
replacing
paragraph
15
division
heads
with
city
officers,
I
cross
reference.
Excuse
me
with
section
4-300,
which
identifies
the
five
positions
that
are
city
officers.
Currently,
I
would
also
interpret
where
it
says,
and
such
other
officers
as
prescribed
by
ordinance,
would
give
any
incoming
mayor
the
authority
with
the
approval
of
counsel,
to
identify
any
other
positions
as
a
city
officer
position
that
would
fall
underneath
this
umbrella,
where
the
mayor
could
make
a
recommendation
to
remove
any
one
of
those
five
incumbents
with
six
votes
from
council
and
that
person
would
be
removed.
B
If
the
mayor
does
not
make
the
recommendation
that
individual
can
be
removed
with
seven
votes
of
counsel,
but
they
would
also
have
the
right
to
appeal.
I'm
assuming
under
the
personnel
review
board
their
dismissal
and
unless
I'm
misinterpreting
that's
my
understanding
of
it,
and
I
support
the
recommendation
of
the
group.
L
H
Yep,
that's
correct,
so
I
I
just
have
two
final
questions.
One
would
be
do
we
need
to
hang
on
to
our
recommendations
until
later
date,
and
maybe
you'll
ask
for
recommendations
from
the
action
groups
would
be
my
first
question.
A
We
do
that,
but
also
in
the
minutes
I
mean
we
are
recording
the
recommendations
that's
made,
but
but
still
I
know,
groups
are
still
meeting
and
I
don't
want
because
it's
been
presented
for
people
to
feel
that
we're
we're
wedded
to
that,
because
there
may
be
feedback
in
these
discussions
that
you
want
to
go
back
and
make
some
tweaks.
A
So
they
are
being
recorded,
and
I
guess
once
all
the
groups
have
presented
which
hopefully
will
be
in
july
august
at
the
latest,
then
we
can
go
back
and
just
run
through
them
all,
maybe
not
even
with
presentation
but
just
bulleted.
That
would
be
my
suggestion.
G
H
H
A
Thank
you,
everybody
for
your
input.
That's
exactly
why
we
are
here
to
raise
the
questions
we're
raising
and
to
give
the
input
to
these
working
groups,
so
we
can
go
back
and
drive
them
to
the
finish
line
in
terms
of
housekeeping
matters.
I
would
like
to
go
ahead
and
set
the
groups
that
will
be
presenting
at
the
next
month's
meeting
in
july.
A
I
think
the
way
we
should
do
it
is
kind
of
flip
it.
We
may
have
the
updates
just
from
group
one
and
three
based
on
their
discussions
from
today
and
presentations
on
at
least
two
groups.
I
hope
that
we
can
get
two
groups
to
say
we're
prepared
to
present
what
we
have
in
the
form
of
recommendations
for
next
month.
Anybody
want
to
volunteer.
A
Yes,
sir
yeah,
you
all
already
did
it.
We
have
one.
So
we
we
need
at
least
one
more
miss
rough
volunteer
group
two
to
present
next
month.
So
I
want
to
make
the
best
use
of
our
time
and
I
think,
recommendations
from
one
group
we
can.
We
can
have
more
robust
agenda
than
that,
so
the
groups
that
are
remaining
group
four
and
five.
B
D
Know
better
where
we
are
on
that
topic
and
whether
we
would
be
ready
at
that
time.
I
think
it's
possible.
Do
you
agree
jimmy,
but
I
I
would
want
to
okay
since
we're
the
only
two
here
today.
I
want
to
make
sure
the
rest
of
the
group
feels
comfortable
that
we
understand
through
from
that
conversation,
okay,.
A
So
we'll
we'll
have
group
number
two
and
tentatively
number
four
and
then
number
five
I'll
reach
out
and
see
where
they
are
at
least
tee
them
up
for
august.
Does
that
work
and
I'm
assuming
nothing,
has
happened
with
respect
to
our
ability
to
meet
in
person
next
month?
I
don't
keep
track
of
the
governor's
orders
on
gathering.
F
A
Yes,
I
I
sense,
no
discomfort,
okay,
very
good.
Are
there
any
questions,
administrative
things,
everybody
feeling
like
they're,
getting
the
support
and
assistance
from
the
city
and
from
their
working
groups?