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A
A
B
Us
pray,
god
are
helping
ages
past.
You
are
our
hope
for
years
to
come,
god,
you've
been
our
shelter
from
life,
stormy
blast
and
you
are
our
eternal
home
god.
In
this
moment
we
ask
that
you
grant
unto
us
your
wisdom,
your
spirit
and
your
insight
as
we
seek
to
come
to
a
solution
that
serves
your
people
and
serves
as
a
written
example
of
how
you
desire
for
us
to
live
in
harmony
with
one
another
bless
our
deliberations.
This
night
give
us
your
grace,
your
wisdom
and
your
patience.
A
Thank
you,
sir.
I'm
skip
anderson
and
I
will
I'll
kind
of
give
a
very,
very
short
backdrop
on
how
this
committee
got
put
together
and
and
how
we
got
to
where
we
are
and
then
we'll
turn
it
over
the
committee,
because
it's
important
to
understand
I'm
not
on
the
committee.
Neither
is
the
city
attorney's
office,
we're
simply
here
to
help
facilitate
the
meeting
and
to
answer
any
questions.
If
asked,
we
do
not
editorialize,
we
do
not
give
opinions.
A
It
kind
of
got
started
when
we
had
two
ordinances
that
were
before
council
that
were
presented
to
council
with
regards
to
citizen
oversight
of
the
police
department.
One
was
the
new
ordinance
that
had
a
new
citizen
oversight
committee
that
would
have
subpoena
powers.
The
other
one
was
utilizing
the
existing
public
safety
advisory
commission
without
subpoena
powers,
so
counselors
barnes,
who
is
not
with
us,
he's
under
the
weather
this
evening
and
councilor
garrett
and
councillor
thomas,
who
is
also
recovering
from
some
surgery.
A
They
decided
that
there
should
be
a
way
to
come
up
with
a
compromise.
They
counselor,
barnes
and
council.
Garrett
actually
worked
out
a
rough
compromise
that
they
thought
might
work
between
the
two
ordinances
and
they
asked
me
to
put
together
a
committee
and
these
individuals.
I
asked
them
to
serve
and
they
graciously
said
they
would
so.
A
They
can
choose
from.
So
what
we'll
do
is
we
will
so
that
you
have
a
little
bit
of
background
on
the
public
safety
advisory
commission,
tyson
begley
and
let
me
tell
you
who's
on
this
who's
with
us
tonight.
Councilor
walker
garrett
is
is
with
us.
Pastor
adrian
chester
is
with
us.
Lucy
cheftal
from
the
city
attorney's
office
is
is
here
to
provide
some
any
answers.
Any
legal
legal
questions,
tyson
begley,
is
a
former
chair
of
the
public
safety
advisory
commission.
He
was
when
this
started:
miss
shamika,
averitt
and,
of
course,
state
rep.
A
A
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
ask
tyson
begley
if
he
would
to
kind
of
give
us
sort
of
a
run
through
on
the
on
the
public
safety
advisory
commission,
and,
let
me
just
say
to
the
panelists,
the
the
mics
are
hot.
So
if
you
want
to
speak,
just
hit
the
button
right
underneath
your
microphone
and
you'll
be
active
immediately
and
once
we
go
through
all
this,
the
intent
is
to
open
it
up
for
comments
and
we'll
do
it
somewhat
like
we
do
at
council
meetings.
C
Good
evening
everyone,
so,
as
the
mayor
mentioned,
I
was
the
chair
of
public
safety
advisory
commission
for
three
years.
I
was
on
it
when
this
commission
started
obviously
understood
a
lot
of
our
processes.
What
we
were
currently
doing
and
understood
kind
of
the
pain
points
of
you
know
what
we
wanted
to
improve.
C
C
C
It
really
worked
more
in
kind
of
the
relationships.
Everyone
has
a
relationship,
they
were
nominated
by
a
city,
council,
member,
and
so
everyone
can,
you
know,
get
their
voice
heard
through
city,
council
and
citizens
could
come
to
the
group
and
have
a
complaint.
They
could
hear
them
out.
But
really
we
tried
to
look
at.
How
do
we
take
some
of
these
issues
and
either
inform
the
public
or
improve
the
processes.
C
Just
a
reminder,
the
mission
statement
was
to
recommend
resources,
public
safety
practices
and
policies
and
citizens,
responsibility
needed
to
achieve
a
safer
community
to
the
mayor,
club,
city,
council
and
public
safety
departments,
and
so
there's
sometimes
we
had
people
come
in
and
have
a
complaint
and
we
said
hey
this:
is
you
really
just
need
to
un
understand
better
what
the
processes
are?
Those
are
times
we
had
complaints,
we'd
talk
to
the
you
know,
public
safety
departments
and
say
hey.
This
is
what
we're
hearing
and
sometimes
they
can
say
hey.
This
is
something
we
can
fix.
C
C
C
Is
this
better
okay
and
so
we'd
research
further
right,
so
we
had
that
sentences
complaint.
Would
it
happen
again?
Is
there
anything
we
can
prevent
it
from
happening
again
and
then,
once
we
did
some
research,
we
try
to
communicate
what
we
thought.
The
solution
was,
I'm
sorry.
This
is
not
showing
up
well,
but
you
know
we
did
have
a
lot
of
guidelines
be
punctual,
be
respectful
of
others
not
to
have
a
soapbox.
We
tried
to
keep.
You
know,
comments
to
kind
of
brief.
C
So
one
thing
we
did,
we
did
work
on
trying
to
start
a
conversation
about
the
marshall
and
sheriff
department
consolidation.
It
was
one
of
the
it
was
the
most
frequent
question
we
received,
and
so
we
did
a
write-up
and
did
some
analysis
about
how
there
could
be
synergies
and
what
we
thought
was
the
best
approach.
C
C
So
they
could
understand.
You
know
their
homeless
intake
system,
so,
instead
of
driving
around
trying
to
find
help,
they
could
go
with
the
existing
resource
of
the
united
way
for
that
intake.
So
again,
I'm
sorry.
This
is
not
showing
up,
but
this
was
from
a
year
ago,
so
they
had
the
past
police
chief,
the
previous
sheriff,
as
well
as
senator
randy
robertson.
C
We
also
got
crime
prevention
and
new
horizons.
There
were
a
lot
of
questions
about
how
do
we?
You
know:
how
do
we
get
more
money
from
crime
prevention?
A
lot
of
the
crime
prevention
initiatives
seem
to
work.
How
do
we
put
more
money
into
those
services
and
then
new
horizons?
They
help
a
lot
of
people
in
jail.
What
are
they
doing?
C
C
So
it
know
it
was.
An
organization
was
very
organized.
It
was
process
oriented.
We
did.
We
had
a
great
diversity,
you
know
it's,
it's
not
a
group
that
needs
or
requires
a
public
safety
background
right.
So
we
had
some
attorneys.
Some
were
police
officers.
We
also
had
citizens
like
myself,
who
you
know
my
day:
job's
a
cfo.
We
had
other
people
who
were,
like,
I
said,
attorneys
and
other
people
who
are
just
concerned.
Citizens
right
so
you
didn't
have
to
have
a
background.
I
think
that's
what
made
it
helpful.
C
C
A
D
Good
evening,
excuse
part
of
my
back,
but
I
think
you'll
hear
me
better.
If
I
stay
on
this
side
of
the
lectern.
As
the
mayor
said,
the
public
safety
committee
has
been
working
since
september
to
craft
an
ordinance
that
would
address
a
compromise
between
the
subpoena
or
no
subpoena
alternatives
to
public
safety.
Commission
investigations.
D
So
let
me
start
by
taking
you
through
what
the
law
is
now
and
where
the
proposed
compromise
would
change
the
existing
ordinance
and
you're
going
to
be
seeing
the
changes
in
red.
If
you
follow
along
on
the
powerpoint,
the
first
things
have
been
in
the
law:
they're
not
changing
the
general
language
about
the
duties
and
objectives
of
the
commission.
Just
like
tyson
was
talking
about
and.
D
When
we
excuse
me
get
down
to
the
end
we're
going
to
of
the
list
of
provisions
on
the
commission,
we
are
recommending.
I
mean
the
committee's
looking
at
striking
two
provisions
and
what
those
provisions
did
was
provide
that
the
public
safety
advisory
commission
had
no
authority
to
investigate
specific
incidents
or
specific
personnel
with
respect
to
police
activity,
and
so
this
is
a
change
to
take
away
that.
D
Prohibition
and
another
suggestion
that
has
come
forward
in
all
the
alternatives,
is
that
we
would
add
a
new
requirement
of
the
public
safety
advisory
commission
board
members
that
they
all
complete
columbus
police
department,
citizens,
law
enforcement,
academy,
clia
training
within
the
first
12
months
of
their
service
and
then
to
get
to
the
most
important
part.
A
whole
new
code
section
would
be
added
to
the
columbus
code
under
this
proposal.
D
That
would
provide
the
procedures
for
conducting
case
reviews
of
closed
investigations
and
that's
the
new
authority.
The
commission
shall
have
the
authority
to
review
closed
investigations
where
a
use
of
force
by
any
member
of
the
columbus
police
department
is
reported
for
purposes
of
this
ordinance.
An
investigation
is
closed
when
it
is
complete
and
all
direct
litigation
involving
such
investigation
or
prosecution
has
become
final
or
otherwise
terminated.
D
The
investigation
will
be
facilitated
and
in
fact
this
is
something
that
is
already
happening
voluntarily.
The
chief
police
chief
of
police
is
providing
the
commission
with
a
monthly
report
on
all
closed
cases
involving
uses
of
force
by
any
member
of
the
columbus
police
department
that,
if
something
they're
doing,
that
is
how
the
commission
will
you
know,
have
the
data
without
requesting
anything,
to
make
a
determination
if
there's
something
that
they
might
need
to
pursue
in
the
way
of
an
investigation
and
then.
D
C
C
So
if
a
citizen
came
to
us
and
said
this
was
an
issue
we
could
review
it,
we
could
do
the
public
records
request
and
we
could
escalate
it
to
council,
but
that
was
after
the
fact.
This
is
much
more
proactive,
there's
much
more
transparency
by
automatically
providing
those
use
of
force
reports.
The
public
safety
advisory
commission
now
has
a
responsibility
to
review
that
information,
and
I
think
that
transparency
makes
a
big
difference
and
really
it
doesn't
create
any
additional
cost
for
the
city,
and
so
the
transparency,
that's
being
added,
plus
no
cost.
A
Well,
just
to
piggyback
on
that
I
just
want
to
say
that
as
soon
as
we
started
talking
about
that
and
how
it
would
be
facilitated
with
getting
that
information
to
the
to
the
committee
commission,
the
chief
and
I
spoke
and-
and
he
felt
like,
we
ought
to
be
doing
that
now.
So
that's
been
going
on
since,
as
the
city
attorney
assistant
city
attorney
mentioned
since
the
inception
of
this
committee.
I'm
sorry,
ms
hughes
go
ahead.
E
B
A
F
F
Use
mr
mayor,
just
for
clarity,
clear
the
purposes
I
remember
coming
to
a
meeting
we
had
in
the
civic
center
and
the
subpoena
power
was
the
crux
of
the
matter
bottom
line.
That's
why
I
think
all
these
folks
are
here
anyway.
I
didn't
hear
a
clear
answer.
Mr
madame
our
city
attorney
on
the
answer
that
representative
hugley
asked
bottom
line.
If
the
council
says
no,
that's
the
end,
there's
no
other
recall
recourse
for
subpoena
power.
F
One
last
question
so
from
I
know
that
was
a
lot
of
doubt.
Oh
my
god.
Forgive
me,
marvin
broad
would
have
seen
you,
but
there
was
a
a
lot
of
dialogue
that
you
all
had
at
that
last
meeting
concerning
subpoena
subpoena
power.
So
this
is
the
actual
resolution
that
you
all
came
up
with
today.
What
we're
hearing
today.
G
G
H
I
H
You
we
are
here
for
the
option
of
the
ordinance
to
have
one
public
safety,
advisory,
commission,
member
and
one
city
council
member-
to
have
subpoena
power
to
address
police
misconduct
in
muskogee
county.
As
we
begin
our
2021
summer
outreach
campaign,
please
be
mindful
that
elections
have
consequences.
H
In
2016
we
visited
with
the
atlanta
citizens
review
commission,
and
it
was
city
council
of
bruce
huff,
dr
hood
sheriff
countryman,
myself,
freddie
williams
and
the
late
brother
love,
and
it
was
amazing
how
city
and
citizens
work
together
to
alleviate
these
problems.
We
don't
need
this
in
columbus,
we've
had
a
kenneth
walker,
we've
had
a
tony
carr.
We
have
a
hector
ariello,
we
need
to
stop
these
hashtags
and
we
need
to
do
something
other
than
march,
and
so,
if
you
are
sitting
in
these
seats,
we
are
asking
you
to.
H
J
J
I
can
appreciate
what
chief
blackmon
is
doing
now
with
the
commission
by
allowing
us
to
review
these
use
of
forces
that
are
taking
places
that
has
taken
place,
but
I'm
here
to
tell
you
today
that
oversight
is
needed.
I
worked
there
for
over
30
years.
I've
seen
things
happen
and
things
get
pushed
under
the
rub.
J
Now,
whether
or
not
chief
blackman.
I
trust
that
he
will
hold
people
accountable,
but
I'm
here
to
say
that
having
oversight
is
just
another
set
of
eyes
that
we
can
have
in
place
that
can
help
oversee
the
actions
and
behavior
of
those.
In
public
safety
in
law
enforcement
in
our
community,
I
ask
that
we
support
the
idea
of
giving
one
commission
member
the
authority
to
call
for
a
subpoena
and
also
one
council
person
and
to
the
city
to
assistant
city
attorney.
J
Currently,
we
have
in
place
under
the
charter
where
the
personnel
review
board
they
can
call
for
a
subpoena
through
the
clerk
of
council
and
council
will
have
to
approve
that
once
they
get
that
request
from
the
personnel
review
board,
and
I
would
venture
to
say
that
there
have
been
this
idea
circulating
through
our
community
and
to
our
law
enforcement
community
that
this
commission,
the
public
safety
advisory
commission
that
we're
here
to
attack
and
to
go
after
police
officers
in
law
enforcement.
That
is
not
the
case.
J
D
J
She's
still
a
police
detective
with
the
columbus
police
department
and
me
working
there
for
30
years.
It's
no
way
that
I
would
be
in
favor
of
attacking
and
going
after
a
person
who's
in
the
law
enforcement
community,
but
if
they
do
something
that
they
don't
have
any
business
doing,
they
need
to
be
held
accountable.
K
K
J
A
C
Byron,
I
did
want
to
mention
the
oversight
process.
I
know
we're
excited,
we
have
a
new
chief,
but
he's
not
always
going
to
be
there.
So
I
think
that's
why
it's
important.
We
put
these
processes
in
place
for
oversight
so,
regardless
of
who
the
chief
is
now
or
later
we
have
that
additional
transparency,
and
so
I
appreciate
those
thoughts,
byron.
G
G
I
totally
agree
with
what
has
been
stated
by
mr
hickey
and
also
by
ms
hewley
green.
We
need
you
all
to
get
us
to
the
final
step
in
the
process.
You've
done
great
work.
We
recognize
that.
Do
we
not.
We
recognize
that
you
have,
but
at
this
point
we
need
to
push
a
little
farther
we're
not
here
like
it
has
been
previously
stated.
G
We
respect
authority,
we
respect
our
law
enforcement
officers,
we
do
our
desire
is
complete
accountability
and
I
stand
today
for
those
who
are
not
able
to
be
here
who
feel
as
though
they
are
voiceless.
They
are
not.
I
stand
today
for
them
and
I
want
to
encourage
you
all
to
hear
us
and
understand
our
position
here.
We
want
one
city,
one
city,
one
city.
G
L
L
If,
if
you
can't
trust
us
as
citizens
who
pay
the
salaries
of
them
all,
how
can
we
trust
you
with
more
money
in
splice,
etc,
etc?
So
trust
me
gets
trust.
So
we're
saying,
let's
move
into
a
new
path,
a
new
contract
of
trust,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
are
the
ones,
the
citizens
that
are
saying,
that
we
want
more
accountability.
L
And
if
the
government
is
by
the
people
and
for
the
people,
we're
saying
for
the
people
mean
we
think
at
this
point
we
can
help.
You
establish
the
credibility
that
our
law
enforcement
and
sheriff's
department
requires
by
showing
that
you
trust
us
to
also
elect
and
assure
that
the
people
on
these
boards,
regardless
of
not
just
this
one,
others
will
be
there
for
the
purpose
of
assuring
that
one
kilometers
will
grow
as
one
columns.
M
M
M
M
N
N
N
N
N
I
hear
of
names
being
called
the
families
who
have
suffered
someone
passed
away
because
of
people
said
swept
under
the
rug.
I
I
I
wouldn't
investigate
her,
but
we
have
to
understand
that
we're
going
to
have
to
live
in
real
time,
saying
I'm
willing
to
correct
what
is
wrong.
We
don't
need
shadows
following
us.
N
O
This
community
continues
to
seek
input
from
its
citizens
on
how
we
can
do
better.
The
problem
is
once
we
leave
the
meeting
in
agreement
when
we
get
to
the
city
council,
they
tend
to
vote
along
racial
lines
and
it
never
comes
out
the
way
we
talked
in
the
media.
I
would
submit
that
passing
this
ordinance
would
be
a
testament
to
the
capacity
of
progress
that
is
long
overdue
from
this
second
largest
city
in
the
state.
O
Now
we
can
debate
the
percentage,
but
last
I
checked
black
and
browns
in
this
community
make
up
the
majority
demographic.
There
comes
a
time
when
you
cannot
ignore
the
demands
of
the
people.
All
we
are
asking
for
is
transparency
and
accountability
as
the
ordinance
states.
We
are
only
seeking
a
climate
of
mutual
respect
and
partnership
between
the
community
and
public
and
safety
departments.
To
do
so
will
allow
us
to
be
proactive
instead
of
reactive
in
case
of
situations
that
may
arise.
O
We
understand
as
a
as
a
civil
rights
organization.
We
have
often
been
accused
of
playing
the
race
card.
I
can
assure
you
we
have
another
card
to
play
and
that's
our
voter
registration
card
and
we
are
play.
We
are
prepared
to
play
that
in
november
2022.,
as
I
close,
let
me
use
the
words
of
louis
brandeis,
who
served
as
an
associate
justice
of
supreme
court
of
united
states
from
1916
to
1939,
and
he
was
often
quoted
by
my
good
friend
brother
love.
O
He
wrote
about
the
wickedness
of
people,
shielding
wrongdoers
and
passing
them
off,
or
at
least
allowing
them
to
be
passed
to
pass
themselves
off
as
honest
men.
At
the
end,
he
said,
sunlight
is
said
to
be
the
best
disinfectant
with
that
being
true,
when
the
time
comes
for
you
from
the
city
council,
we
have
hoped
that
when
the
city
council
has
the
opportunity
to
vote
on
this
ordinance,
we
need
to
let
it
shine.
A
B
B
Commission
is
seated
at
the
moment
of
seeing
what
adjustments
can
be
made
from
the
city
charter
standpoint
to
bring
us
to
some
larger
consensus
of
how
to
ensure
that
the
average
citizen
is
ensured
that
their
voice
is
heard
through
the
public
safety
advisory
commission,
and
that
is
obviously
through
subpoena
power.
We
have.
We
have
an
option
before
us
today
that
that
has
been
brought
to
our
attention.
B
E
I
want
us
to
all
think
about
where
we
are
and
where
we,
where
we're
trying
to
go-
and
I
want
to
thank
this
committee
for
its
patience
in
terms
of
looking
at
this
issue
and
talking
about
it.
I
understand
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
talk
about
it
and
try
and
move
forward
as
you
as
I
listen
tonight.
E
And
then,
of
course,
I
would
encourage
everyone
here
to
go
back
to
your
member
of
council
and
talk
to
them
about
your
concerns
about
accountability,
transparency
and
oneness,
and
let
them
know
that
we
want
to
have
a
great
relationship
between
the
community
and
law
enforcement
and
one
of
the
ways
you
get.
That
is
through
accountability
and
transparency.
P
P
A
A
The
only
supervisory
authority
that
that
my
office
has
or
the
city
council
has
is
over
the
police
department,
the
the
sheriff
is,
is
the
one
of
the
county's
highest
elected
official.
So
we
have
no
control
over
what
goes
on
with
the
sheriff.
We've
got
a
sheriff
that
embraces,
however,
the
collaborative
initiatives
that
are
that
are
undertaken,
but
it's
the
same
thing
with
the
state.
We
can
send
a
letter
and
we
can
try
to
urge
urge
careful
consideration
if,
if
there's
something
that
we
think
has
gone
wrong,
but
we
have
no.
A
We,
we
have
no
authority,
there's
no
authority
given
to
us
over
the
the
state
patrol
state
troopers.
Those
are
governed
by
the
department
of
public
safety
at
the
state
level,
and
we
actually
for
the
only
relationship
we
have
with
state
agencies
is.
If
we
see
something
that
has
happened
here,
that
we
think
needs
to
be
investigated,
we'll
pass
it
on
to
the
gbi
or
send
it
to
some
other
state
investigative
department
so
that
they
can.
They
can
take
a
look
at
it,
but
I
I
understand
your
frustration.
A
A
Q
E
Q
That
would
be,
I
know,
the
charter
review
committee
is
still
meeting.
I
think
mr
hickey's
proposal
for
one
member
I
I
can
understand
that
I
certainly
want
transparency
and
accountability,
but
I
would
like
to
know
that
at
least
there
was
more
than
one
person
on
council
who
thought
it
was
a
good
idea
to
issue
the
subpoena,
but
three.
Q
If,
if
there
was
a
way,
we
could
do
that
that
would
make
it
where
there
would
never
be
a
majority
political
party
in
power
that
could
control
it,
that
there
would
always
be
at
least
three
members
of
whatever
minority
party
there
might
be
in
office.
It's
the
majority
of
columbus.
I
think
that
would
prevent
political
coercion.
Q
If
three
members
of
council
had
to
do
it,
that
would
obviously
there
would
be
a
need
for
a
showing
by
the
psat
committee,
but
that
would
also
make
it
where
there
was
a
lower
threshold
for
it
to
get
past
as
a
subpoena.
So
that's
that's
something.
I
think
we
should
pass
along
to
the
charter
review
commission,
because
that
would
be
a
compromise
option.
E
Q
A
I
Pastor
flakes
well
thank
you,
mayor
for
allowing
me
this
opportunity
to
come
before
you.
I
was
just
sitting
and
I've
been
following
this
issue
for
a
while
and
due
to
the
pandemic,
it
really
has
inhibited
and
restricted
some
consistent
or
constant
debate
or
discussion
among
larger
groups,
and
so
I
was
just
listening.
I
wasn't
going
to
say
anything.
I
I
R
So
I
want
to
just
agree
with
what
the
general
is
just
saying:
we've
been
here
before,
so
we
do
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
making
a
decision.
Unfortunately,
pops
is
you
know
not
here
today,
but
this
was
in
a
sense
kind
of
his
baby.
You
know
he
was
pushing
for
us
to
do
this
and
unfortunately
he's
not
here,
but
I
know
that
at
the
next
town
hall
he
will
he
will
be
here.
R
K
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
and
members
of
the
commit
of
this
commission
committee,
I'd
like
to
speak
in
support
of
the
ordinance
as
well,
and
I
just
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
like
with
some
research
about
how
crbs
have
evolved
over
the
last
century,
and
especially
within
the
last
few
years,
and
so
within
the
last
two
years.
Actually,
like
there's
been
a
number
of
crbs
that
have
sprung
up
in
in
several
jurisdictions
that
have
been
given
subpoena
powers
as
well.
So
pittsburgh.
K
For
example,
the
city
of
pittsburgh
in
pennsylvania
held
a
referendum
on
expanding
their
board's
super
powers
to
include
subpoena
powers.
They
held
it
on
november
3rd
2020
and
it
won
78
to
21
columbus,
ohio,
our
namesake
as
well.
I
also
held
a
referendum
on
creating
a
board
also
with
with
subpoena
powers,
and
it
won
overwhelmingly
74
to
25.
K
in
portland
oregon.
They
held
a
referendum
on
creating
a
board,
and
this
is,
of
course,
the
city
that
has
been
very
much
on
the
on
the
mind
and
lips
of
a
lot
of
people,
especially
in
mass
media,
regarding
their
demonstrations
regarding
police
brutality
and
and
general
misconduct,
and
that
also
won
last
year,
81
to
18..
K
Just
to
put
that
into
perspective
incidence
review,
boards
and
oversight
commissions
have
been
created
since,
like
in
many
jurisdictions
since
1900,
and
especially
during
the
the
last
50
years,
they
have
increased
in
in
strength
as
well
to
include
investigatory
and
subpoena
powers.
So
they,
and
so
basically
it
may
not
have
the
the
most
cross-partisan
appeal.
But
it
does
have
a
lot
of
appeal
to
a
lot
of
people
who
are
interested
in
greater
oversight
and
greater
investigation
into
police
misconduct.
And
what
have
you
and
and
also
just
to
throw
back
to
something.
K
I
said
last
year
when
we
held
our
the
previous
discussion
on
the
previous
round
of
discussions
on
the
po
on
the
subpoena
powers
as
well,
especially
because
it's
pride
month
we're
it's
just
about
the
end
of
pride
month.
According
to
2013
survey
by
the
williams
institute
at
the
ucla
school
of
law,
48
of
the
lgbtq
community,
who
are
of
color
and
transgender,
have
that
experience.
K
So,
given
that
it
is
pride
month,
I
do
want
to
to
just
drop
that
in
there
and
say
sorry,
I
don't
run
out
of
time.
It
can
just
just
brief
sentence
too
yeah.
I
know
sorry,
if
that's
since
it's
pride
month,
we
should.
We
should
be
very
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
police
brutality
can
happen
does
happen.
We've
seen
it
on
the
cameras
all
over
the
country
all
over
the
world,
and
we
should
be
very
aware
of
the
need
for
greater
oversight
and
hopefully,
columbus
can
join
that
trend
as
well.
E
D
Well,
council
had
by
resolution
did
delegate
subpoena
power;
actually
the
subpoena
power
is
not
delegated
to
the
personnel
review
board.
The
clerk
of
council
is
authorized
to
issue
subpoenas
for
personnel
review
matters
and
that
power
basically
only
extends
to
jurisdiction
over
people
who
are
already
city
of
employees
in
the
city
system.
So
it's
not.
You
know.
Subpoenaing.
L
Again,
a
little
naive,
I
guess
I'm
hearing
all
the
I'm
trying
to
understand
what
on
earth
can
this
group
do
it's
so
severe
and
horrible?
It's
going
to
destroy
the
police
department,
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
what
is
this
boogeyman
thing?
What
is
it
that
they
at
the
end
of
the
day,
a
group
of
people
that
want
to
review
something
that
don't
exist?
It
can't
do
anything
if
it
does
exist
and
it
should
be
examined.
I'm
trying
to
understand
what
is
this
problem?
L
I
don't
I
really
don't
get
it
and
then
the
other
thing
about
it
is
this.
Why
is
the
council
can't
trust
one
of
their
members?
Gotta
have
three
of
them.
I
mean
you,
don't
go
to
the
bathroom.
You
gotta
take
two
other
people
with
you,
so
I'm
trying
to
say
one
person
on
the
council
and
another
thing
about
it
that
god
did
not
deliver
anybody
on
the
council
with
no
special
knowledge.
You
were
a
citizen
like
everybody
else,
you
make
the
same,
thought
and
process,
you
don't
know,
no,
nobody,
no
more
than
anybody
else.
A
A
S
Yeah,
my
name
is
lewis
abram,
I'm
been
a
citizen
here
for
about
what
over
21
years
and
I've
seen
the
changes,
good
and
bad
and
whatnot.
But
what
really
indelible
in
my
on
my
mind
is
the
kenneth
walker
murder
of
2003,
and
I
think
this
this
public
safety
advisory
commission
is
only
just,
I
think,
just
only
to
pacify
the
people
here
in
terms
of
like
you
know,
just
to
get
it
off
the
the
issue.
S
They
you
know
they
some
of
you
for
do
it,
you
don't
have
to
have
a
special
degree
or
anything
or
certificate
or
anything.
You
know,
and
it's
like
you
know,
like
anything
else,
you
know
like
for
jury,
duty
or
grand
jury
or
whatever,
and
it
just
seems
to
be
infallible
that
you
can't
come
up
with
to
do
anything
like
that.
S
I
mean
it's
just
just
remo,
you
know
focus
like
what
other
one
gentleman
said
about
the
other
cities
have
had
they'll
come
up
with
this
program,
this
review
board,
so
I
think
that
you
definitely
need
to
have
put
some
teeth
into
it
because,
like
I
said
that
they
just
only
just
put
out
there
just
to
throw
it
out
there,
just
for
a
pacification
program
for
just
to
you
know,
keep
the
people
quiet
whatever.
Okay.
Thank
you.
M
I
don't
need
three
minutes.
First
of
all,
chief
blackman,
I'm
sorry,
I
missed
your
call
when
you
called
me
back,
but
I
did
tell
katina
williams
that
I
needed
a
number.
So
if
you
could
try
me
again,
I
would
appreciate
it.
Counselor
barnes
is
my
counselor
district
one.
I
hear
that
he's
been
excused
for
the
evening.
Yes
ma'am,
but
I
remember
that
judy
thomas,
the
at-large
counselor,
who
represents
all
of
us.
I
thought
she
was
appointed
to
this
body.
A
T
Name
is
alyssa
williams,
the
first
question
that
I
have-
and
it
probably
won't
be
fully
answered
tonight,
but
I'd
like
to
know
for
the
people
who
are
opposed.
Why?
What
is
your
reason
for
opposition
like?
Is
there
actually
do
you
have
a
valid
reason
or
it's
just?
No.
I
don't
think
that
that
should
happen.
The
second
thing
is:
what
is
the
actual
proposal?
T
B
Brother
mayor,
so
I
guess
to
thank
you,
mr
williams,
for
the
question.
So
what
what
has
been
presented
tonight
was
that
it
would
take
a
majority
vote
of
city
council
for
a
subpoena
to
be
issued.
That
was
what
was
presented
tonight
and
that
went
through
a
lot
of
massaging,
but
we,
but
what
we
have
heard
tonight
is
that
the
public
or
those
who
have
spoken
do
not
want
what
has
been
presented
right
and
so
what
the?
A
This
this
group
did
a
great
job,
I
think
at
least
working
for
the
best
option.
They
could
come
up
with
at
the
time.
But
that's
why
this
is
so
critical.
I
think
to
get
the
input
of
the
citizens
so
that
the
group
account
this
committee
will
be
able
to
determine
if
they
are
on
the
right
track
or
or
not.
So
I
think
that's,
I
think,
that's
where
we
are,
as
this
group
will
come
back
for
another
meeting
and
just
determine
yay
or
nay
so,.
B
A
A
I
think,
to
determine
whether
or
not
that
that
compromise
could
be
reached
and
if
not,
then
they
would
just
say
no,
and
it
would
go
back
to
council,
okay,
but
but
now
this
as
we've
stated
before
this
committee,
if
they
undertake
an
additional
effort,
I
mean
to
to
look
at
some
other
some
other
aspects
or
options.
I
mean
that
can
be
decided
by
the
committee.
C
I
know
we're
saying
that
the
citizens
requesting
subpoena
power-
I
do
just
want
to
back
up
a
little
bit
so
this
two
ordinances
they
were
created
in
response
to
an
incident
where
there
was
a
use
of
force
and
when
I
was
still
chair
of
public
safety
advisory
commission
when
we
found
out
about
it,
we
reached
out
to
city
council
the
mayor
and
they
were
already
addressing
it,
and
so
our
biggest
frustration
was.
Why
didn't
we
find
out
about
this
earlier
right?
Where
is
that
transparency
that
we
wanted?
C
So
this
combined
ordinance
provides
that
trend
transparency?
I
know
everyone's
been
asking
for
transparency,
it
provides
it
and
I
think
it's
doing
it
in
a
way
that
no
other
city
is
doing
it
where
citizens
are
automatically
this
group
of
citizens
automatically
getting
these
use
of
force
reports
and
reviewing
it
right.
It's
not
optional.
C
C
I
don't
think
he
should
have
done
that
city
council.
You
need
to
look
at
this
and
raise
it
and
city
council
has
the
already
defined
power
and
money,
so
they
can
subpoena
that
person
and
provide
the
accountability
or
reach
it
to
gbi,
and
so
when
we
asked
what
the
concern
was
of
having
it,
I
think
there
is
a
concern
that
if
you
start
giving
subpoena
power
to
the
public
safety
advisory
commission
one
can
they
legally
use
it,
because
I
know
there's
that
concern
in
atlanta
and
two:
could
they
screw
something
up?
C
Could
they
start
subpoenaing
subpoenaing
someone
and
they
start
providing
information
and
then
that
suddenly
invalidates
like
the
real
process
of
them
getting
a
process
going
forward?
So
I
think
it
kind
of
alleviates
that
risk
of
saying
hey.
Do
these
average
citizens
who
don't
understand
the
law?
Could
they
take
a
misstep
and
then
let
an
officer
who
should
be
tried
off
due
to
some
technicality?
C
We
don't
want
that
to
happen.
So
do
we
have
a
mechanism
so
one
we
get
the
transparency,
we
can
view
it
and
see
it
and
two.
We
escalated
the
city
council
and
I
know
when
I
heard
a
lot
of
this
a
year
ago,
a
lot
of
people
talked
about
national
reform.
I
think,
what's
appealing
about
this.
Current
ordinance
is
that
it
doesn't
cost
any
money
and
it
provides
transparency.
C
I
think
other
cities
should
be
adopting
something
similar.
They
should
have
public
safety
advisory
commissions
like
columbus.
They
should
have
that
use
of
force.
Reports,
provide
transparency,
and
I
think
that'd
be
a
great
example
for
other
cities
to
follow
so
that
we
start
seeing
transparency
in
other
cities
as
well.
T
Well,
my
only
question
in
response
to
that
is
you
said
that
it
could
mess
up
a
possible
officer
that
has
done
something
wrong,
but
if
they're
requesting
a
subpoena,
then
that
means
that
they
haven't
been
held
accountable
up
to
that
point.
So
that
means
that
there's
not
an
investigation,
there's
nothing
that's
going
on,
which
is
the
whole
reason
why
we
need
it.
C
A
A
In
the
essence
of
time,
we
we've
got
mike
was
telling
me
that
we've
got
a
kind
of
a
cut
off
around
seven.
So
what
we'll
do
is
is
take
this
one
more
speaker
and
and
remember
you
have
time
you
can
still
get
your
your
comments
to
this
board
and
we
will
have
at
the
request
of
this
city.
This
is
this.
This
group,
we
will
have
one
more
public
hearing
so
that
pop
barnes,
who
was
sort
of
the
author
of
it,
will
be
able
to
attend
too
so.
A
H
H
It
may
be
another
public
hearing
it
may
not,
but
because
you're
present,
what
are
you
gonna?
Go
back
to
your
counselors
to
say
to
make
sure
that
the
citizens
get
what
they
want,
because
you
are
also
an
elected
official
and
if
one
is
absent,
we
have
you
sitting
right
here.
What
can
you
promise
us?
What
can
you
tell
us?
How
can
you
grab
everybody
together?
Because
if
you
got
a
public
safety
advisory
commission
who
they
don't
have
subpoena
power,
the
only
people
that
have
subpoena
power
is
city
councilor.
What
can
we
expect
of
you,
sir?.
Q
Q
We
could
give
one
person
power
if
the
charter
was
changed,
and
that
means
we're
waiting
for
a
couple
years.
That
means
we're
waiting
for
a
charter
review
decision,
a
recommendation
by
that
committee
and
then
a
vote
by
the
people,
or
we
can
use
the
power
we
have
now
five
to
four
or
five
excuse
me.
Five
votes
or
six
votes
says
red
mcdaniel
who's.
Q
Q
Q
If
you
have
a
chance
and
look
at
the
ordinance
we've
drafted,
because
I
am
about
equality
for
all-
and
I
am
about
uniting
our
city
and
I'm
happy
to
take
this
ordinance.
So
when
we've
already
got
draft
and
we
have
consensus
on
I'm
happy
to
sponsor
it,
we
just
want
your
seal
of
approval,
and
I
want,
I
know
councilor
barnes
is
the
original
author
of
this
wants
to
be
heard
and
wants
to
hear
everyone,
but
as
soon
as
you're
ready,
you've
got
my
name
to
attach
to
it.
U
U
U
So
what
we
want
is
get
out
here.
Let's
get
our
citizen
review
board
with
subpoena
power
period.
It's
not
about
being
professional
non-professional
and
anybody
know
simple.
Let
the
evidence
lead.
Your
investigation,
so
you
don't
have
to
have
all
kind
of
degrees
and
all
kind
of
experience
for
that.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
sir,
and
listen.
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
participating.
As
the
state
representative
hughley
said,
that's
that's
a
big
big
part
of
this
community
and
the
way
it's
governed.
So
we
we
thank
you
for
your
input.
We've
heard
you
loud
and
clear:
we've
been
tamika's
been
taking
notes
down
here
and
we've
got
it
on
on
record
and
if,
if
we
are
able
to
to
arrange
another
public
meeting,
we
will
publicize
it
and
we
hopefully
will
see
you
back
again.
So
thank
all
of
you
and
thank
this.