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A
Troops
and
will
be
taking
a
vote
on
those
recommendations,
so
that
is
technically
the
final
recommendations
that
we
move
forward
for
the
public
hearings.
So
with
that
bit
of
clarity,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
tamika
for
the
roll
call.
A
A
It's
been
moved
in.
Second,
all
in
favor
of
approving
july's
minutes.
Please
say
aye
any
opposed.
Okay,
very
good!
All
right,
like
I
said
just
a
minute
ago,
our
working
groups
are
working
hard.
I
was
able
to
pop
into
a
couple
this
past
week
and
I
know
that
for
the
most
part,
everybody's
ready,
they're
just
fine-tuning
and
trying
to
get
little
eyes
dotted
and
t's
crossed
before
they
present
their
final
recommendation.
A
C
So
we've
completed
our
recommendations,
we're
going
to
provide
five
and
then
we've
also
got
four
suggestions
to
city
council
either
to
take
on
within
city
council
or
with
the
the
state.
But
we're
we've
got
the
final
legal
language
for
four
of
them.
We're
working
on
finalizing
language,
we're
a
fifth
one
other
than
that.
We're
we're
wrapped
up.
A
Okay,
very
good,
all
right
group
three-
is
that
norman
hartman's
group
is
that
commissioner
hartman's
group
group
three
okay.
He
called
me
and
had
a
emergency
going
on
in
his
house
that
he
had
to
be
there
to
wait
for
some
attendance
to
and
he
sent
me
a
just
a
very
brief
update
and
said
we
will
be
ready
to
present
on
in
our
september
meeting.
Currently
we
are
checking
with
resources
to
see
how
a
city
manager-led
public
safety
office
would
impact
our
current
government.
A
So
that's
the
only
issue
they're
running
down
and
they
will
be
prepared
in
september
to
give
their
final
recommendations
all
right.
So
if
we're
ready,
let's
give
groups
two
four
and
five
our
attention
with
their
final
recommendations.
D
How
about
that
amazing
that
little
red
dot
come
on?
Well,
listen!
Madam
chairman
and
members
of
the
commission.
We
have
pretty
much
finalized
at
least
two
of
our
recommendations.
First,
our
group
two
is
made
up
of
gwen
ruff
willie
bellfield,
dominique
perkins,
vivian,
bishop
and
me,
and
we
we
really
have
a
good
working
relation
and
we've
really
done
a
lot
of
work
and
everybody
has
done
more
than
their
part
so,
but
we
do
have
done
so.
D
I
think
at
our
last
meeting
there
was
a
request
that
we
come
up
with
some
more
information
as
far
as
the
the
term
limits
and
the
none
are
partisan
parts
of
that
we're
in
two
of
our
recommendations.
D
So
first
I'd
like
to
just
do
the
give
some
report
of
what
we
found
with
some
of
the
different
cities
around
georgia
is
pertaining
to
term
limits.
D
First,
I
have
17
different
cities
that
I
have
contacted
and
talked
to
the
city
manager
or
the
city
clerk
or
or
someone
in
the
office
of
of
the
the
council
in
the
mayor's
office
to
get
this
information
first,
we
have
macon
now
macon.
Georgia
is
a
newly
consolidated
government
for
in
the
last
two
or
three
years,
and
right
now
they
have
term
limits
for
their
mayor
of
two
four-year
terms
and
a
council
of
three
four-year
terms.
D
D
The
other
one
savannah
has
two
terms
for
the
mayor
and
no
terms
for
the
for
the
council
and
clark
county
athens,
which
is
also
a
newly
relatively
newly
consolidated
government.
They
have
mayor,
has
two
four-year
terms,
but
the
council
has
no
terms
and
then,
if
you
go
through
albany.
D
Savannah
clark,
county
warner,
robins,
chattanooga,
tennessee,
montgomery,
alabama,
houston,
county
georgia,
houston
county
georgia
atlanta,
when
they
back
up
atlanta,
has
two
four-year
terms
for
the
mayor,
but
none
for
the
council
garden
city,
georgia,
cobb
county,
which
is
a
county
by
itself
and
also
at
worth.
Austral
kennesaw,
marietta
powder
springs
and
smyrna.
D
So
that's
kind
of
a
wrap
up
of
around
georgia,
including
montgomery
alabama
and
chattanooga
tennessee,
the
the,
but
our
recommendation
from
our
group
is
still
that
we
recommend
to
the
general
and
to
the
full
commission
that
we
put
to
the
table
as
a
recommendation
for
term
limits
for
our
council
now.
Mayor
already
has
a
term
limit
so,
but
our
recommendation
is
that
we
bring
it
to
the
full
commission
and
and
and
let
have
discussion
far
against
and
then
I
guess
we
would
vote,
madam
chairman.
So
what?
But
that's
that's.
D
The
first
issue
that
we
have
is
was
term
limits.
The
second
issue
was
that
was
brought
up
at
our
group
was
the
was
partisanship
we
went
through
the
same
the
same
people
in
the
same
17,
different
cities
in
in
counties
in
georgia,
and
also
chattanooga
tennessee
and
montgomery
alabama
and.
D
That's
the
only
one
that
is
partisan,
so
we're
and
of
course
we
are
nonpartisan
for
our
council
and
and
our
mayor
totally
now
what
we,
our
our
group,
still
recommends
that
that
the
recommendation
that
we
change
from
nonpartisan
to
partisan
is
still
our
group's
recommendation
to
the
full
commission.
That
would
be
added
to
a
final
with
discussion
and
then
and
then
an
end
vote.
D
So,
but
we
did
do
this.
This
checking
these
people
out
if
we
did
have
some
help.
Oz
roberts
and
his
group
had
had
done
similar
situation
and
similar
research
just
for
the
mayors.
You
know-
and
I
used
some
of
his
information
to
come
up
with
the
list
that
I
have
so
we're,
even
though
we
do
see
this
as
a
as
a
trend
for
what
other
people
are
doing.
D
It's
still
our
recommendation
from
our
group
that
it
go
to
the
full
commission
for
a
discussion
and
a
vote
now
also
just
to
make
sure
I
think
it's
in
our
minutes.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that,
but
is
that
everybody
in
our
group
does
not
agree
with
this
either
way,
but
we
do
think
that
it
should
come
to
the
full
commission
and
we
think
that's
the
best
way
to
do
it.
D
Okay,
now
the
other
things
that
we
had
in
our
when
our
group
that
we
discussed
we,
we
want
to
be
sure
that,
before
we
make
a
final
recommendation,
that
we
make
sure
that
we're
on
on
target
and
on
the
same
page
with
our
city
attorney
to
make
sure
that
the
language
that
he
has
given
us
through
an
email
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
that
we're
solid
on
what
we're
asking,
and
so
we
will
get
with
clifton
on
that,
if
it's
okay
and
and
come
back
with
that
at
a
later
date,
if
it's
okay
with
everybody,
okay,.
A
I
encourage
any
anybody
who
has
a
question
about
the
potential
legality
of
any
of
the
recommendations
please
get
with
the
city
attorney
or
with
lucy
beforehand,
because
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
make
sure
that
whatever
we're
presenting,
when
we
begin
to
discuss
in
september
and
october,
that
we
know
that
the
things
we're
discussing
are
are
legitimate
and
fair
game.
So
please
do.
A
Are
there
any
questions
I
mean
this
is
not
the
the
time
for
a
debate
or
anything
of
that
nature,
but
please,
if
there
are
questions
about
anything,
alton
and
team
are
here
to
answer.
D
Well,
I
think
that's
what
we'll
do
when
we
start
discussing
them
specifically,
but
our
pros
and
cons
was
even
within
our
group.
We,
we
didn't
all
agree,
so
we
had
some
that
wanted
partisan
and
some
that
did
not,
but
we
felt
like
we
needed
to
bring
the
whole
issue
to
the
full
commission
and
this
list
that
I
have
of
the
17
cities
and
counties,
and
I
don't
know
of
anybody
that
we
left
out.
D
That
was
not
a
major
city
and
when
you
look
at,
I
think
we've
covered
everybody
in
georgia.
That
would
that's
our
size
are
larger
or
smaller.
D
To
come
up
with
this
information
and
and
the
only
the
only
one
place
of
the
seventeen,
the
only
county
or
city
that
has
that
is
partisan
is
cobb
county.
The
rest
of
them
are
nonpartisan
across
the
board
and
there
was
a.
There
was
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
discussion
from
the
mayor's
office
and
the
clerk's
office
as
to
why
they
decided
to
go
nonpartisan.
D
But
I
can
tell
you
what
some
of
them
said
if
that'll
help
you
or.
C
D
A
This
might
be
a
good
time
to
kind
of
put
out
my
thoughts
and
that's
exactly
what
they
are
just
my
thoughts.
I
want
the
input
from
this
group,
but
as
we
look
for
september
and
october,
to
discuss
these
final
recommendations
and
I'm
we're
going
to
split
them
up,
because
there's
no
way
we
can
do
all
five
working
groups
in
one
month,
so
we'll
do
one
portion
in
september
and
then
the
other
final
portion
in
october.
A
I
am
asking
everyone
and
tyson-
I
love
group
ones,
set
up
on
the
paper
where
this
is
the
current
language.
This
is
the
recommendation,
and
this
is
the
rationale
I'm
going
to
be
asking
that
every
group
submit
that
with
their
recommendations
to
tamika
and
then
we're
going
to
roll
up
everyone's
into
one
document.
Now
what
that
is
is
is
the
language
as
it
currently
is.
It's
the
proposed
recommendation.
A
If
it's
a
edit
or
a
striking
or
edition,
or
what
have
you
and
the
rationale,
so
we
can
all
be
working
from
the
same
framework
now
in
terms
of
each
working
group.
My
thought
would
be
since
it's
your
recommendations,
you'll
be
prepared
to
speak
to
the
well.
These
are
the
reasons
why
we're
putting
this
forward
or,
in
your
case,
there's
a
significant
debate
here.
These
are
the
these
are
the
pros.
These
are
the
cons
and
be
prepared
to
talk
to
that.
A
We
could
put
it
in
writing,
but,
but
in
in
some
way
lead
the
group
through
the
thoughts
about
how
we
got
here,
that
those
were
my
thoughts
about
how
we
move
forward
for
september
and
october.
The
writing
one
document
submitted
to
tamika
to
make
it
wins
the
date
you
want
it.
You
have
to
have
time
to
get
the
get
it
to
rachel
and
get
the
whole
document
together.
A
So
what
date
should
it
be
to
you
september
5th,
by
september
5th,
if
all
the
working
groups
will
have
their
document
tamika,
we
may
want
to
send
out
working
group
number
ones
so
that
they'll
see
and
be
able
to
see
exactly
how
they
set
theirs.
I
just
thought
that
was
really
efficient
and
really
a
great
way
to
present
it.
A
A
D
Yes,
ma'am,
except
except
for
the
fact
that
I'm
not
sure
how
how
we
can
put
our
groups
group
two,
how
we
can
put
our
why
we
are
recommending
this,
because,
as
a
group
we're
not
we
we
have,
I
mean
our
group
is
it's
five
people
and,
and
it's
not
that
you
know
that
we're
nobody's
been
throwing
rocks
and
we're
totally
in
agreement
and
and
having
a
good
time
with
the
discussion.
But
but
it's
not
a
I
mean
like
we're.
A
A
A
Now,
if
every
single
recommendation,
even
down
to
the
grammatical
cleanups,
is
an
opportunity
for
every
single
member
to
speak
their
opinion
on
whatever
that
issue
might
be
so
I
mean
next
next
month,
september
and
october,
we
will
only
be
talking
about
the
recommendations
as
put
forth
by
the
working
groups.
No,
no
more
updates
by
the
working
groups.
We
will
be
going
through
that
master
list
and
discussing,
I
hope,
vigorously.
That's
that's
my
desire.
I
mean
that's.
Why
we're
here?
D
C
C
It,
and
so
I
think,
we're
saying
the
same
thing:
okay,.
E
Good
afternoon,
madam
chairperson
fellow
commission
members,
mr
king,
can
you
pull
up
that
powerpoint
for
me
and
also
mr
chairperson?
Here
you
go
thank.
A
E
No,
I
I
can
present.
Oh
okay
he's
our
final
recommendation.
So
okay
just
want
y'all
to
follow
along.
If
I
have
it
on
my
phone,
can
I
transfer
it
over
to
you.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
We
have
in
group
five.
We
just
have
a
couple
of
recommendations.
The
first
one
he'll
get
it
on
the
overhead.
F
In
a
minute,
the
first
one
will
fall
under
chapter
one
representation
of
general
provisions,
section
6,
100
paragraph
one
current,
currently
that
paragraph
states
the
one
line
that
we're
looking
at
the
regular
election
of
the
consolidated
government
shall
be
held
on
the
tuesday
next,
following
the
first
monday
in
november
in
each
even-numbered
year,
the
proposed
change
would
be
the
regular
election
of
the
consolidated
government
shall
be
held
on
the
date
officially
specified
by
state
law
for
non-partisan
office
in
each
even-numbered
year.
F
The
reason
why
we
did
this
was
to
ensure
our
elections
always
align
with
the
state
elections
these
these
this
this
proposed
change
and
the
second
one
we
had
com.
We
had
a
couple
of
conversations
with
nancy
bourne
and
she
we
ask
her
specifically.
Are
there
anything
if
you're
looking
at
the
charter?
Is
there?
Is
there
anything?
That's
potentially
you
know
wasted
effort
for
you
causing
conflict
with
the
state
potentially
costing
our
city
government,
extra
money
and
resources,
and
she
identified
these
two
areas.
F
She
identified
that
exact
verbiage
as
being
a
change
that
would
be
general
enough.
They
could
be
put
into
the
city
charter
that,
regardless
of
what
the
state
law
dictated
for
elections
going
forward,
we
shouldn't
have
to
update
our
charter
that
the
the
language
was
vague
enough,
that
it
could
cover
a
broad
enough
area
of
scope
that
we
wouldn't
have
to
update
it
in
future
charter
reviews.
F
Second
piece
was
conduct
of
elections,
special
elections,
section
6-201,
currently
states
the
special
election
required
herein
shall
be
held
on
the
date
specified
in
the
advertisement,
but
not
less
than
30
days,
nor
more
than
45
days
after
the
publication
of
the
call
of
the
election.
Our
proposed
change
is
to
keep
all
verbage
the
same,
with
the
exception
of
the
45
days,
change
it
to
90.
F
the
90
and
the
45
are
in
direct
conflict
with
the
state,
and
this
would
stop
us
from
having
to
have
two
advertisements
that
we're
currently
right
now
we're
having
to
have
one
at
45
days
and
we
have
to
meet
the
charter
and
when
they
were
having
to
run
an
advertisement
at
90
days
to
meet
the
state.
So
this
would
just
mirror
the
state
as
well
and
just
clean
up
that
verbiage
appendix
2,
which
is
the
code
of
ethics
and
prohibited
practices,
penalties
for
violation
of
code
of
ethics.
F
If
you're,
looking
under
your
code
of
ethics,
the
code
of
ethics
that
it
covers
is
under
conflict
of
interest
disclosure,
use
of
public
property,
testimony
of
public
officials
relating
to
public
affairs
contracts,
voidable
and
rescindable,
ineligible
of
elected
ineligibility
of
elected
officials,
political
activities
of
certain
officers
and
employees,
penalties
for
violation,
penalties
for
violation.
The
current
currently
states.
F
The
council
may
provide
by
ordinance
that
violation
of
section
one
through
seven
of
the
appendix,
shall
be
punishable
by
a
fine
not
to
exceed
six
hundred
dollars
by
imprisonment
not
to
exceed
sixty
days
or
both.
The
proposed
changes
would
be
to
change
that
fine
to
from
600
to
a
number
amount
that
would
better
cover
administrative
costs
and
create
more
of
a
punitive
fee.
This
proposed
document
has
a
number
of
twelve
hundred
dollars
listed.
That's
a
placeholder!
F
I
I'm
not
a
fan
of
placeholder
dollars.
We
identified
that
piece
as
a
group
that
that
it
was
something
that
potentially
needed
to
be
changed
that
possibly
hasn't
been
updated
in
a
while,
and
that
600
dollars
may
be
an
outdated
amount
if
you're,
if
you're
violating
these
ethics
and
and
the
city's
having
to
investigate
them,
etc.
F
F
But
right
now
I
can
propose
to
you
the
scope
of
why
we're
proposing
changing
it,
but
we
don't
have
nailed
down
the
exact
dollar
amount
right
now,
so
we're
open
to
suggestions
there,
conversation
and
certainly
we'll
have
something
more
hard,
but
by
the
next
time
you
know
that
we
meet,
but
that
1200
is
just
a
just
a
placeholder
at
this
time.
Right
now,.
A
I
I
had
one
question:
I
remember
sitting
in
on
you
all's
meeting
and
it
may
be
how
it's
presented
in
this
book,
but
there
seems
to
be
some
duplication
of
pages
in.
Was
it
just
how
it
was
presented
in
the
book,
but
there
there's
some
duplicates
and
I
don't
know
if
we
need
an
action
by
see
in
my
book
at
least
it
says,
chapter
two
conduct
of
elections
and
then
it
starts
over
after
a
blank
page.
With
the
same
thing,
no.
F
A
F
Pulled
the
anytime
when
I
was
reviewing,
you
know,
I
tried
to
pull
it
offline
and
it
was
it's
the
same
version
that
should
be
printed
there.
It
was
the
official.
A
Version
yeah
and
there
was
no
duplication
there,
so
there
was
no
blank
page
like
this.
I
pulled
a
short
straw.
Okay,
no,
no
problem,
then
that
question
is
answered.
Are
there
any
other
questions
for
the
work
for
this
working
group
all
right?
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Okay
group
four.
Are
we
ready.
E
I
think
we're
ready.
Okay,
thank
you,
madam
chairperson,
for
indulging
those
technical
difficulties
on
behalf
of
group
four,
which
consists
of
our
chairperson,
allison,
dow
pastor,
jimmy
elder
john
stacey,
ms
carter
schondemeyer
and
myself
ben
richardson.
E
All
right,
the
first
one
is
section
542
municipal
court
jurisdiction.
As
you
can.
I
talked
in
the
last
meeting
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
track
statutory
law
and
right
now
the
charter
does
not
track
statutory
law.
It
says
the
sum
of
five
thousand
dollars,
as
you
can
see
in
number
one.
So
our
proposed
language
change
is
the
statutory
amounts
as
designated
by
the
state
of
georgia.
It's
our
legal
recommendation.
We
talked
to
the
city
attorney
and
especially
kudos
to
mr
clifton
faye,
miss
lucy
shethar.
They
were
very
helpful.
E
All
right,
the
next
one.
We
noticed
that
there
was
no
removal
process,
so
council
judy
thomas
who
heads
the
recorders
court
subcommittee
for
the
columbus
council.
She
was
a
great
help
and
we
met
with
her
a
couple
of
times,
and
so
we
came
up
with
the
following
proposed
language
under
603.
E
We
felt
that
the
way
it
was
worded
currently
there
was
no
removal
process
and
technically,
if
you've
got
a
four
year
term,
you
can
legally
argue
that
I
have
a
four
year
term
and
not
show
up
for
work.
I
mean,
I
know
that's
an
extreme
case,
but
that
was
possible.
So
we
came
up
with
the
following
language,
which
is
a
subsection
b,
which
we
added
to
603,
which
says
any
recorder
or
recorders.
E
Pro
tem
may
be
removed
by
the
council
of
the
consolidated
government
for
any
of
the
reasons
set
forth
in
ocga,
section
3632,
2.1,
subsection
b,
subsection
1,
which
is
already
the
statutory
language
how
judges
can
be
removed,
and
so
we
basically
just
added
that
language
and
said
in
accordance
with
the
procedures.
Therefore,
from
paragraph
c
d
and
e
of
the
same
code
section,
so
we
basically
again
just
tracking
the
same
statutory
language.
So
that
way
the
charters
have
to
keep
being
reviewed
on
every
10
years.
E
G
E
D
So
in
your
addition,
just
are
we
just
assuming
that
that
removal
will
be
done
by
the
council.
D
H
Judge
I
was
just
going
to
comment.
This
is
the
way
to
do
it,
consistent
with
the
state
law
before
it's
really
been
silent
and
there
have
been
questions,
whether
you
send
it
to
the
judicial
qualifications
commission
or
to
the
council,
and
this
will
just
clarify
where
this
is
a
procedure
they
use
in
every
other
county.
E
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
In
section
604,
we
had
to
fix
that
too,
because
we
wanted
to
make
it
consistent
because
they
followed
each
other
603
604
back
to
back.
So
we
added
in
the
red
language.
The
proposed
language
is
to
say,
unless
such
recorder,
our
recorder's
pro
tem,
is
removed
in
accordance
with
the
provisions
of
section
5,
603
b.
Above
so
only
thing,
we
added
was
the
red
language
after
qualify
because
it
just
said
originally
until
a
successor
is
appointed
and
qualified.
So
we
just
added
that
red
language
to
basically
be
parallel
with
603.
E
All
right,
5605,
the
court's
court
rules,
procedures
and
personnel
records
court
in
columbus.
Georgia
is
an
anomaly.
A
lot
of
jurisdictions
and
counties.
Don't
have
a
recorder's
court,
they
might
have
a
traffic
court,
they
may
have
a
small
claims
court.
They
might
have
a
probate
court
that
handles
traffic
offenses,
but
here
in
columbus,
georgia
we
have
recorder's
court,
so
we
basically
wanted
to
have
proposed
language
because
people
might
say
10
years
from
now
what
is
recorded
scoring.
E
So
we
came
up
with
the
general
language
to
say
the
general
intent
of
this
court
is
to
establish
calls
and
perform
other
statutory
duties
as
divided
by
georgia
law.
You
sometimes
lawyers
have
a
tendency
if
you
give
them
an
inch,
they'll
take
a
mile,
so
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
records
court
is
limited
to
what
it
was
designated
for,
which
is
basically
for
traffic,
offenses,
ordinance
offenses
or
to
establish
probable
cause
to
get
the
case
either
bound
over
to
state
or
superior
court.
E
H
E
Commissioner
begs
me:
big
b:
I'm
sorry
yeah.
If
you
look
at
the
current
charter,
there's
no
definition
of
or
basically
saying
what
a
quarter
court
is,
so
we
just
we
just
wanted
to.
Basically,
like
attorney
cliff
the
face
said
clean
it
up,
so
people
can
see
if
I
charge
my
grandchildren
like
say
10
years
now
I
say
what
is
recorder's
court
so
and
so
it
would
go
in
right.
E
They
see
where
the
asterisk
is,
because
that's
what
the
current
procedure
says-
and
you
can
see
it
just
says-
the
council
share
by
ordinance
fixed
rules
and
regulations
governing
the
time
place
and
number
of
sessions
of
the
court.
The
court
should
have
a
clerk
and
one
or
more
clerks
pro
temp.
Who
should
prepare
the
court
dockets,
maintain
our
court
records
and
serve
as
the
chief's
court's
chief
administrative
officer.
Then
that
was
it.
E
So
that's
why
we
just
proposed
an
ad
in
this
language
saying
the
general
intent
of
this
court
is
to
establish,
calls
and
perform
other
statutory
duties,
that's
provided
by
georgia
law.
So,
even
though
it
says
that
they
can
have
personnel
and
they
can
have
sessions,
it
doesn't
say
what
those
what
the
general
purpose
of
the
court
is.
E
Yes,
it
can
but
great
question
any
other
question
I
I
know
there
might
be
some
puzzlement
out
there,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
all
on
the
same
page,
all
right
and
lastly,
the
last
final
recognition
we
have
is.
We
talked
to
the
sheriff
and
the
current
charter
says
that
he
should
be
the
sheriff
of
the
consolidated
government.
Well,
that
is
not
statutory,
correct
he's
the
sheriff
of
the
county.
So
that's
why
we
propose
language
change
in
both
sections
of
that
current
code
is
to
say
the
sheriff
of
moscow
county.
A
I
just
want
to
note
if
you
go
back
to
one
of
the
this,
this
is
in
the
format
that
we're
looking
for
for
the
master
sheet,
with
the
exception
of
the
rationale
being
stated,
specifically:
okay,
but
the
former
the
existing
provision,
and
then
the
proposed
revision
like
you
have.
It
is
what
we're
looking
for
with
the
addition
of
the
the
purpose
of
this
is
to
do
this.
E
A
All
right
any
questions
about
any
of
the
recommendations
from
the
three
groups
that
are
presented
today,
any
I.
I
hope
that
you
know
the
inactivity
of
questions
and
things
that
we've
experienced
are
all
is
because
we're
all
saving
up
for
september
and
october
to
ask
our
questions
and
give
our
input
again.
I
don't
want
to
keep
beating
a
dead
horse,
but
we're
all
here
for
a
reason,
we're
all
representing
different
constituencies
and
and
schools
of
thought
and
those
all
should
be
heard
before
we
present
this
commission's
final
recommendation.
A
I
Sorry,
madam
chair
just
a
question.
I
know
that
in
our
group
we
had
we
had
a
conversation
around
what
you
had
suggested
about
thinking
forward,
thinking
ahead
and
and
if
I
don't
know
if
there
are
any
other
groups
that
had
any
digital
additions
to
you
know,
there
was
a
printed
paper
and
I
don't
know
specifically,
which
was
their
work,
to
be
honest
with
you.
But
there
was
some
conversation
around
the
items
being
printed
in
the
newspaper.
E
H
We
we've
asked
the
general
assembly
to
look
at
virtual
meeting
items
and
I
don't
know
that
council
has
asked
them
specifically
to
look
at
a
digital
format.
That's
why
I
thought
some
of
these
recommendations
were
good
ones
coming
where
we've
heard
these
expensive
publications,
you
know,
may
not
be
necessary
when
everybody
uses
the
internet
or
social
media
to
look
at
notices
so,
but
we
have
not
heard
anything
out
of
the
general
assembly
lately
on
this
topic
of
you
know
digital
publications.
We
can
certainly
put
that
on
the
list.
J
H
B
A
F
D
Had
several
things
that
we
were
had
looked
at
and
every
time
we
were,
we
went
back
to
city
attorney
to
make
sure
that
we
were
on
the
right
page
and
and
that
the
way
we
stand
right
now
is
that
we
we
we're
going
to
have
to
get
with
the
city
man
city
attorney,
to
make
sure
that
that
what
our
what
we
recommend
is
is
actual
the
right
language
and
the
way
to
in
the
right
way.
D
A
C
We
found
some
language,
I
think
we
just
kind
of
earmarked
it,
because
I
know
that
other
groups
were
talking
about
making
it
consistent
across
the
entire
charter.
So
we
we
earmarked
it
and
just
planned
to
discuss
as
a
as
a
group
to
make
sure
that
we're
consistent
with
everyone
else.
A
Okay,
well,
let's
put
that
tamika
as
something
to
have
a
separate
issue
to
discuss
when
we're
discussing
the
recommendations,
because
we
do.
F
C
F
Madam
chair
we've
had
the
same:
we've
had
the
same
conversation
in
our
group.
In
fact,
we
had
a
an
initial
proposal
that
wasn't
completely
thought
out,
and
so
we
kind
of
we
shelved
it
for
this
announcement
simply
because
of
that
hoping
that
we
could
bring
it
up
as
a
as
a
group.
For
that
reason,
because
there
is
some
of
that
outdated
pieces
in
there
that
require
you
to
put
it
in
the
largest
paper
of
circulation
and.
G
F
You
know
that
would
be
in
the
in
the
future.
I
do
have
a
question
for
for
our
attorneys
in
in
the
city
charter.
It
states
that
you
have
to
be
a
member.
You
have
to
be
a
resident
of
muskogee
county.
I
mean
you
have
to
be
a
resident
of
the
columbus
consolidated
government
to
run
for
office.
Is
there
would
you
see
a
legal
definition
between
the
columbus,
consolidated
government
and
muskogee
county,
and
we
had
talked
about
changing
that
verbiage?
F
It's
kind
of
come
up
again
when
I've
seen
it
been
a
change
there's
from
columbus,
consolidated
government
to
muskogee
county?
Do
you
see
a
definition
between
those
two
that
are
in
conflict
between,
say,
muskogee,
county
and
columbus,
consolidated
government?
Well.
F
D
Okay,
clifton
didn't
this
was
10
years
ago,
when
I
can't
remember
sometimes
10
minutes
ago,
but
but
didn't
we
change
the
charter
last
time
to
say
that
the
use
of
columbus,
consolidated
government,
muskogee
county
city
of
columbus
was
all
the
same
somewhere
in
there.
D
F
I
don't
know
if
this
is.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
in
your
scope.
If,
if
somebody,
if
I
wanted
to
run
for
office-
and
I
lived
in,
you
know
fort
benning,
I
could
probably
do
that
right
now,
based
upon
the
verbiage,
saying
it's
under
cons,
columbus,
consolidated
government
or
could
I.
G
C
D
It
says
citizens
of
the
united
states
resident
an
electoral
consolidated
government
for
two
years
and
shall
be
21
years
of
age
when
elected
and
a
district
council
shall
have
been
resident
of
that
district
for
at
least
one
year.
So
it
is
pretty
much
spelled
out
that
you
got
to
be
a
resident
of
columbus,
consolidated
government.
H
H
To
follow
up
on
what
lucy
was
mentioning
in
section
8
200
part
3..
It
says
these
are
the
priority
of
construing
laws
that
apply
to
the
consolidated
government.
This
is
in
the
first
little
subsection,
a
muskogee
county
town
of
columbus
and
city
of
columbus
shall
be
construed
to
maine
columbus,
georgia,
which
is
the
official
name
of
the
consolidated
government
under
the
charter.
H
Since
71
we
have
been
columbus
georgia.
Officially
now
I
know
the
sheriff
is
a
little
different
as
a
constitutional
officer
he's
the
muskogee
county
sheriff
and
that's
what
he
prefers.
That's
fine,
but
but
these
terms,
when
you
hear
muskogee,
county
town
of
columbus
city
of
columbus,
the
charter
says
they
shall
be
construed
to
maine
columbus,
georgia.
K
Please
so
I've
got
two
things,
one
about
the
muskogee
county
point
and
the
I
think
there
was
mention
of
the
sheriff
and
saying
muskogee
county
fort
benning.
Is
we
have
a
section
of
fort
benning
that
is
part
of
muskogee
county?
So,
are
we
saying
that
the
sheriff
has
jurisdiction
on
the
fort
bending
federal
installation.
G
H
Not
not,
unless
he's
called
in
as
backup
or
mutual
aid
agreements,
the
police,
the
sheriff,
can
be
called
in
to
assist
yeah.
E
I
I
think
statutory
law
would
kick
in
there,
because
that's
a
federal
installation,
yeah
and
federal
law
would
kick
in
because
it's
like
the
post
office
here
in
scuba
county,
like
if
there's
a
crime
happening
in
the
post
office
and
they're,
going
to
call
in
the
federal
authorities.
So
I
think
that's
already.
Okay,
I
think
federal
law
take
care.
K
Of
that,
okay
and
then
the
other
thing
I
I
wanted
to
bring
up
about,
I
think
there
was
mention
of
elections
in
the
date
for
elections
and
getting
that
in
line
with
state
law.
I
think-
and
somebody
feel
free
to
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
the
date
for
general
elections
are
our
state.
The
current
definition
we
have
is
in
line
with
federal
law
is
my
understanding
of
for
general
elections.
K
A
If
there
ever
might
be
a
conflict,
we've
cast
our
light
with
the
state,
that's
something
we
might
need
to
hunt
run
down
like.
Should
there
ever
be
a
conflict?
If
currently,
what
you're
saying-
and
I
believe
that's
correct-
is
the
current
language
mirrors
the
federal
language
with
respect
to
when
elections
are
conducted,
and
we
haven't
scrapped
that
we're
saying
that
we
are
going
with
whatever
the
state
might
be,
which
might
be
the
same?
It
might
not
so
so
what
might
happen?
Should
there
be
a
conflict.
H
I
think
your
state
law
is
going
to
control
the
actual
election
date
and
it's
even
more
confusing
with
consolidated
governments,
nonpartisan
elections,
because
the
mayor
and
council
elections
are
actually
in
may
that's
that's
that's
their
quote,
general
election
when
the
other
general
election
for
president
other
federal
issues
or
november.
So
our
general
assembly
in
georgia
has
gone
back
and
forth
they
used
to
all
be
in
november.
Then
they
set
these
nonpartisan
elections
in
may
and
there
have
been
requests
to
go
back
to
november.
But
right
now
we're
in
may
for
the
local
elections.
H
F
To
your
point,
that
was
that
was
exactly
what
nancy
had
indicated
to
us.
You
know
that
the
state
would
dictate
when
our
elections
would
be
and
that
the
current
verbiage
could
conflict
could
create
conflict
with
the
state
if
they
were
to
change
their
verbiage
and
bring
us
out
of
line
with
that.
K
A
Yeah
we
welcome
that
we
want
to
make
very
informed
decisions
so
that
that
certainly
can
be
part
of
the
discussion
when
that
recommendation
comes
up
all
right
housekeeping
items.
I
I've
had
a
couple
of
calls
from
people
who
I
mean
unless
you've
been
under
a
rock.
You
know
that
the
delta
variant
has
really
caused
some
great
concerns,
health-wise,
something
that's
very
concerning
to
me,
but
we
have
to
operate
again
back
to
georgia
law.
A
There
is
no
state
of
emergency
anymore,
so
our
meetings
I'll,
let
lucy
explain
it
in
greater
detail,
but
just
suffice
it
to
say
that
we,
we
might
lose
some
people
in
person
because
there
is
concern
about
being
out
gathering
together
during
what
is
clearly
the
resurgence
of
covet.
So
I
did
hear
you.
I
did
run
it
down
and
I
do
have
our
state
expert
to
speak
to
exactly
what
our
status
is
in
terms
of
in-person
meetings.
So
lucy,
please.
G
D
Excuse
me,
so
are
you
saying
that
that
somebody
that
is
online
say
with
a
zoom,
are
they
counted
in
the
quorum
call.
G
D
Okay,
so
would
if
this
body
has
a
motion
and-
and
it
passes
that
we
allow
people
that
are
on
in
a
zoom
to
be
counted
as
a
is
a
quorum?
Would
we
be
breaking
the
law?
Could
we
not
do
that.
G
No,
you
cannot
vote
to
supersede
that
law.
D
I
mean,
I
I'm
sure,
listen,
I
am
a
toilet
paper
salesman,
not
a
lawyer,
but
I
just
don't
see
how
the
law
can
say
that
so
I'm
I
would
appreciate
you
showing
it
to
me
which
is,
and
I'm
not
trying
to
argue
with
you.
It
just
bothers
me
that
that
we
can't
run
our
meeting
the
way
we
want
to
run
our
meeting.
G
And
actually,
during
covid
we
went
to
the
general
assembly,
we
had
an
item
on
our
legislative
agenda
asking
for
local
governments
to
be
able
to
have
virtual
meetings
in
any
condition.
Just
as
many
state
agencies
have
the
authority
to
and
the
general
assembly
did
not
go
that
far.
They
simply
said
when
there's
a
health
state
of
emergency,
you
can
have
virtual
meetings
and.
A
Now,
with
no
state
of
emergency,
even
though,
as
a
practical
matter
we're
in
a
state
of
emergency,
we
are
to
meet
in
person
by
state
law.
So
I
I
regret
that
I
really
do.
I
understand
completely
the
very
clear
health
issues
involved
around
gathering,
but
we're
going
to
just
make
it
as
as
hygienic
as
we
can.
Now.
We
even
made
some
concessions
for
this
meeting
today
that
were
over
and
beyond
what
the
meetings
have
been
in
the
past
in
person.
A
But
that's
that's
where
we
are,
and
I
hope
that
for
the
limited
time
that
we're
together
while
everybody
is
wearing
masks
and
social
distancing
and
using
separate
microphones,
and
all
of
that
that
you
will
just
continue
to
bear
with
us.
My
hope
is
that
we'll
have
two
more
meetings.
A
A
I
I
I
think
that
the
best
way
to
do
it
is
just
to
go
in
order,
one
through
five
and
do
maybe
group
one
and
two
in
september
and
three
four
and
five
in
october
I'll
entertain
any
suggestion
in
terms
of
the
slicing
and
dyson
for
the
presentation
doesn't
matter
because
everybody's
ready,
but
what
I
do
suggest,
because
I
really
don't
want
us
to
not
be
able
to
have
the
time
to
adequately
address
things
as
they
deserve
to
be.
A
A
So
I
would
throw
out
there
for
your
consideration
and
input,
adding
an
hour
to
the
september
meeting
and
the
october
meeting.
So
it's
not
one
and
a
half
hours,
it's
two
and
a
half
hours.
If
we
don't
need
it
fantastic,
but
I
know
we
have
tight
schedules
so
better
to
have
it
than
not
have
it.
In
my
opinion,
what
what
what
say
you.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Given
the
again
we've
been
doing
this
for
a
year
now
and
you
all
have
all
been
very
gracious,
I
say
we
absolutely
dedicate
and
commit
to
dedicate
that
time
to
two
and
a
half
hours,
at
least
just
given
the
severity
of
what
we're
working
with
we're
at
the
tail
end
of
it,
and
this
is
one
of
the
most
critical
parts.
So
you
have
my
full
support
for
at
least
two
and
a
half
hours,
if
not
more.
J
E
Just
wanted
so,
if
you're,
a
group
who's
presented
already,
your
final
recommendation,
like
we
did.
B
E
A
Yeah
you
do
yeah
yeah,
but
but
but
it's
to
an
audience,
that's
informed.
So
it's
just
you
will
remember.
This
was
the
language.
This
is
what
it
is.
This
is
our
rationale.
What
say
you,
okay
and
I'm
hoping
that
the
what
say
you
is
really
where
we
spend
our
time,
and
some
of
them
will
be
very
easy
and
very
quick.
Some
of
them
won't
or
they
shouldn't
be.
They
deserve
a
significant
discussion.
A
So,
okay,
okay,
so
we
got
a
second
and
all
in
favor.
Please
say
aye
any
opposed,
okay
great,
so
we
will
have
the
september
and
the
october
meeting
from
two
to
five
or
as
long
as
it
lasts
up
to
five
o'clock,
fantastic
and
tamika.
Would
you
please
remind
those
in
in
the
communication
that
you
send
out,
because
some
people
weren't
here
and
I
want
them
to
have
it
on
their
calendars,
perfect,
all
right!
Any
questions
I
feel
like
we're.
You
know
we
can
see
that
tape
at
the
end
of
the
runway.
A
We
just
gotta,
run
and
lean
in
any
questions
about
anything,
that's
been
presented
or
to
be
presented.
If
not,
I
thank
you
again
for
your
time.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
We
really
really
need
everybody's
presence
and
participation
in
the
next
two,
so
thank
you
in
advance
all
right
meeting
adjourned.