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A
Columbus
Georgia:
this
is
your
City
Council,
where
Theresa
Tomlinson
city
manager,
Isaiah
Hughley,
Huff's,
Barnes
district
Leon,
Glen,
Davis
district
to
loose
district
3
at
Lynn
Turner
clean
we're
pro
Tim
and
district
4
Mike
Baker
district
5,
Jerry
Yellin
district,
six
mini
Woodson
district
7,
Walter,
Garrett
district
8,
Judy
Thomas
coastline
at
large,
councillor
cut
in
Washington
clerk
of
Council
and
City
Attorney
Clifton
Columbus
Georgia.
This
is
your
City
Council.
B
To
the
July
31st
meeting
of
the
Columbus
City
Council,
this
is
what
we
call
a
work
session.
It
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
delve
into
issues
a
little
deeper,
but
we
also
have
some
celebration
this
weekend.
I
really
excuse
me.
This
meeting
hopefully
had
celebration
this
weekend,
but
now
we're
we're
pulling
it
in
for
all
business
here
today,
we're
finally
going
to
fill
our
district
10
seat.
So
we've
got
mr.
B
John
house
and
them
in
the
room,
but
we're
gonna
start
off
first
with
an
invocation
as
we
do
every
time
we
come
together,
because
goodness
knows,
we
always
need
a
little
prayer
and
we're
gonna
call
forward
dr.
Jimmy
elder
of
First
Baptist
Church
to
provide
us
the
invocation
consistent
with
his
faith
tradition
good
morning,
good.
C
Morning,
mayor,
thank
you
very
much.
Would
you
join
me
as
we
offer
a
prayer
together
Lord
as
we
bow
before
you
we're
grateful
for
this
community?
You
have
given
us
so
many
wonderful
things
and
you
bless
us
every
day.
You
awaken
us
to
opportunities,
and
you
show
us
ways
that
we
may
do
things
even
better.
Each
day,
I
pray
you'll
bless.
Our
council
bless
each
person
who
uses
their
time
to
help
govern
and
guide
our
community
and
I
pray
for
their
wisdom
for
their
strength
for
their
understanding.
C
We
pray
for
this
new
one
who
comes
on
board
and
we
pray
for
his
wisdom
and
his
strength
and
health
as
well.
Thank
you
for
the
gifts
that
you
give
us
find
us
responsible,
stewards
of
every
moment,
every
bit
of
the
time,
every
resource
and
every
measure
of
authority
that
we
have
in
your
precious
name.
We
pray.
B
Dr.
elder,
thank
you
so
much
and
you
like
so
many
members
of
our
faith-based
community.
Your
ministry
goes
well
beyond
the
doors
of
the
church.
We
see
you
out
there,
helping
us
with
our
homeless
issues
here
in
the
community
and
improving
on
those
and
also
what
you've
done
with
the
Mercer
Medical
School
and
its
growth
here.
So
again,
thank
you
for
all
you
do.
B
We
have
some
helpers
for
the
pledge
of
allegiance,
so
we
want
to
call
them
forward
there
from
the
children
at
work
and
they
are
ready
to
go
so
you
all
come
here
in
front
of
the
desk.
T
Asha
is
going
to
get
you
a
microphone
and
then
the
rest
of
you
all
will
stand
and
prepare
for
them
to
lead
us
in
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance.
E
B
E
D
B
All
right
so
now
it's
time
for
the
celebration.
We
want
to
call
forward
our
newly
elected
councillor,
John
M,
House's,
wife
Marilyn.
Please
come
forward
to
understand
you
have
other
family
and
friends
with
you
if
you'd
like
them
to
step
forward
as
well.
That's
certainly
fine
and
we
have
Chief
Judge
Gill
McBride
here
who
will
swear
in
the
newly
elected
councillor
house.
F
F
B
H
B
F
F
B
Well
again,
John,
congratulations,
and
here
we
go
alright.
Well
with
that
and
again,
thank
you
to
all
the
volunteers
and
Friends
that
came
out
today.
I
know
this
is
a
joyful
moment.
You
all
worked
very
hard
and
and
your
hard
work
paid
off
today.
We
have,
we
start
out
with
a
consent
agenda.
It's
not
a
typical
business
meeting.
As
I
said,
it's
a
it's
a
work
session,
but
we
are
allowed
to
have
a
consent
agenda,
so
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
our
city
attorney
Clifton,
Fay,
all.
B
J
K
L
B
J
B
J
J
B
M
You
go
okay,
okay,
good
morning
there
and
members
of
council
and
certainly
welcome
council
house.
We
have
a
number
of
items
on
our
work
session
agenda
this
morning.
Our
first
is
an
update
on
the
Spencer
high
school
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
we
have
anyone
that
has
arrived
yet
from
the
school
system.
So
we
will
come
back
to
that
item.
Hopefully
they
will
arrive.
We
will
then
go
ahead
to
our
historic
Westville
update
where
we
have
Rob
Chobot
the
executive
director
who
will
give
us
that
update?
Thank
you
for
being
here
good.
N
Morning,
madam
mayor
councilmembers,
congratulations!
Councilman!
No
I
gave
a
copy
of
our
slide
packet
to
each
one
of
you.
The
first
picture
on
our
cover
slide.
If
you
look
in
the
upper
left
hand
corner,
you
can
see
the
National
infantry
museum,
South,
Lumpkin,
Road
and
across
the
street
from
that
as
Oxbow
meadow,
so
that
just
gives
you
a
relationship
of
where
we
are
our
mission
to
empower
and
present
future
generations
in
thoughtful
and
informed
discussion
of
the
South
next
slide.
Please.
N
This
is
the
history
of
Westville
started
out
up
in
Dahlonega,
Georgia
moved
to
Jonesboro,
then
out
to
Lumpkin,
Stewart,
County
and
finally,
here
to
Columbus,
we
have
four
interpretive
areas:
we're
going
to
examine
now
go
over
those
at
the
end.
There's
there's
diversity,
because
there's
different
experiences
due
to
race
class
and
gender,
a
map
overhead
image
of
where
we
are
in
relation
to
the
Chattahoochee,
the
upit,
which
is
our
western
boundary,
the
eupatoria,
our
southern
boundary
eastern
boundary,
South
Lumpkin
Road
in
Oxbow
in
the
north.
N
N
We
have
another
20
buildings
that
are
down
in
Lumpkin
in
his
funding
becomes
available.
We'll
move
those
up
here,
all
of
our
buildings
will
be
compliant
with
the
Americans,
with
Disabilities
Act
we'll
have
ramps
on
everyone,
they're
all
going
to
be
up
to
code
and
we're
currently
going
through
interpretive
training
to
make
sure
our
staff
is
versed.
The
highlight
is
the
grand
opening
is
going
to
be
on
October,
20th
and
you're
all
invited.
N
We're
going
to
provide
an
immersive,
free-choice
experience,
so
there's
not
going
to
be
any
set
tours.
You
can
go
where
you
want
to
go
and
every
place.
Every
dwelling
will
have
a
different
personality,
a
different
story
in
a
different
interpretation,
they'll
all
be
based
on
the
primary
themes
and
we'll
have
about
28
individuals.
N
O
O
If
we
can
see
what
we
can
do
to
accommodate
the
need
of
the
lighting
in
the
area,
but
not
to
affect
the
history
of
the
area,
I
think
if
we
go
back
to
and
I
don't
know
who's
running
the
show.
But
if
we
go
all
the
way
back
to
the
first
picture,
you
can
see
where
lighting
can
be
all
around
the
buildings.
O
The
area
I
was
like.
Why
are
we
putting
you
know
it
takes
away
from
it?
Another
concern
was
the
concrete
that
we're
going
to
put
through
all
the
homes
I'm
understanding
that
the
concrete
is
because
of
an
emergency.
If
we
had
of
emergen
see
vehicle
come
in
I
guess
the
impact
of
red
clay
if
I'm
seeing
it
correctly.
O
Please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
there's
a
concern,
but
I
was
wondering
if
there
was
a
happy
compromise
not
to
take
away
the
vision
of
what
West,
though,
was
what
are
other
communities
doing
that
have
a
similar
or
close
enough
venue
that
we
can
compare
it
with
to
ensure
that
the
value
and
the
beauty
of
Westville
does
not
get
muttering
eyes,
because
the
whole
idea
is
for
an
individual
and
a
family
to
go
back
in
time.
So
there
were
a
little
concerns
on
the
deputy
city
manager
Lisa.
O
If
you
can
just
follow
up
to
see,
if
there's
anything
we
can
find
or
do
to
ensure
that
we
don't
take
the
vision
and
the
purpose
of
Westville
for
history
and
educating
individuals,
because
back
then
you
didn't
walk
on
concrete
I
do
understand.
We
need
an
emergency
vehicles
to
go
in
because
things
do
happen
and
I
do
understand
it.
You
know
some
things
have
to
be
moved
around,
but
there's
got
to.
O
There's
got
to
be
a
way
where
we
could
do
our
happy
medium,
where
it
does
not
take
away
from
the
look
and
the
feel
of
being
in
Westville.
Okay,
so
listen!
Those
were
my
only
two,
you
know
and
I
don't
need
an
answer
today.
Try
this!
Those
were
my
two
concerns
as
I
walked
around
and
asked
questions,
and
you
know
cuz
I
even
asked.
Okay,
are
you
gonna
have
permanent
benches
inside
the
church
or
not?
O
O
Think
matter
of
fact,
I
think
the
contractor
was
getting
a
little
bit
like
she
axes
a
lot
of
questions,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we're
being
good
steward
art
nurse
and
ensure
the
success,
especially
with
you
know,
Fort
Benning
being
there
using
the
infantry
museum
with
the
Oxbow
medals,
with
the
golf
course
and
hopefully
a
resort
shortly.
You
know
all
that
combined
together,
it's
a
wonderful
experience
and
I
want
to
make
sure
our
community
has
that
opportunity
and
myself
Lumpkin
Rose
leave
out
on
the
station.
Okay.
M
O
B
M
P
You
good
morning
and
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
be
here
today
to
share
with
you
some
of
the
exciting
news.
As
you
know,
we
hosted
the
Olympic
softball
going,
so
we
were
the
first
to
host
Olympic
softball
here
in
Columbus
in
1996,
and
since
then
we
have
had
multitude
of
softball
events
that
have
happened
at
our
complex
and
we'd
like
to
say
you'll,
see
at
the
bottom
of
this
slide.
P
People
will
come
because
of
our
experience,
but
they
come
back
because
of
theirs,
so
we
treat
them
well,
they're
they're
our
guests
when
they
come
into
the
complex
and
so
we're
excited
to
have
them
when
they
come.
So
the
opportunity
we've
kind
of
talked
to
you
before
about
is
the
International
Cup.
This
will
be
in
July
of
2019.
P
If
we
are
awarded
the
event
there,
USA
softball,
it
will
be
six
to
fourteen
teams
and
expose
your
on
ESPN
there'll
be
five
games
that
will
be
televised
on
ESPN,
so
we'll
be
in
front
of
the
world
again
on
that
platform
for
all
softball
enthusiasts
to
watch
those
games
intensely
sell
comments,
as
you
know,
there's
eight
fields
there
at
the
complex.
Our
estimated
impact
for
FY
2018
was
a
little
over
4.6
million
and
the
estimated
impact
since
1995.
We
went
back
through
archives
and
did
a
lot
of
research
to
come
up
with.
P
This
number
was
over
147
million
dollars
that
the
complex
is
generated.
This
is
through
visitor
spending.
So
that's
the
beauty
of
cell
Commons.
When
we're
talking
about
sports
tourism,
you
see
the
annual
venue
utilization
over
2000
local
participants,
that
is
through
our
adult
softball
league.
They
play
at
the
venue
Monday
through
Thursday
and
then
typically,
we
host
our
tournaments
on
the
weekend
so
Friday
through
Sunday.
We
have
visitors
who
come
and
utilize
that
facility
and
we
had
over
9,000
556
and
the
venue
is
used
over
ten
months
out
of
the
year.
P
So
what
are
our
renovation
plans
to
prepare
us
for
International
Cup?
We
are
looking
at
5.6
million
we've
had
architects
contractors,
lighting
experts,
turf
experts,
landscape,
architects,
all
who
have
come
to
see
South
Commons
to
give
us
estimates
on
projects
that
we
can
do.
What
we're
looking
at
is
renovating
the
restrooms
there
in
the
stadium,
as
well
as
the
concession
stands
painting.
We
have
a
lot
of
rust
and
we
have
water
infiltration,
so
several
of
our
rooms
below
have
been
damaged
by
this
water.
We
also
need
to
address
bullpens.
P
We
need
88
compliancy,
our
dugouts
are
now
88
compliant
currently
and
what
we
would
also
like
to
do
while
we're
doing
the
stadium,
because
we
have
two
fields
on
either
side
of
the
stadium
is
look
at
upgrading
those
as
well.
So
in
a
phase
one
of
this
project
taking
those
three
fields,
fill
six
seven,
which
is
our
stadium
and
eight
and
bringing
them
completely
up
to
code,
and
so
this
will
be
through
our
lighting.
P
We
had
our
lighting
expert
come
in
and
do
tests
to
see
what
our
foot
candles
actually
are
today
versus
what
they
were
when
they're
installed
we're
already
past
the
useful
life
of
the
lights,
and
so
we
know
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
Our
dugouts
need
to
be
modernized.
The
fencing
at
the
facility
you'll
see
in
that
bottom
photo.
The
bottom
rail
of
the
current
fencing
at
the
facility
is
no
longer
visible.
It
should
be
visible,
so
you
can
see
in
that
photo.
We
have
to
address
the
fencing
and
the
actual
grass
itself.
P
The
actual
plating
surface
needs
to
be
addressed
for
field
six,
seven
and
eight.
What
we
are
proposing
with
this
first
phase
of
the
project
is
turning
field
six
and
eight
into
what
I
call
mini
stadiums.
This
not
only
will
position
us
for
future
growth,
but
it
also
helps
service
the
customers
who
are
actually
coming
to
the
facility.
Today,
we
have
level
a
play
at
sell
comments
with
colleges
that
come
here.
The
state
high
school
championships
that
play
here
that
it
seeds
what
the
experience
were
given
them
on
those
two
fields.
P
So
if
you
can
visualize
a
Little
League
field,
that's
basically
what
our
field
six
na
currently
look
like.
It
is
not
at
the
level
of
play
that
we
actually
bring
into
the
facility,
and
so
by
creating
these
mini
stadiums
on
6
&,
8
it'll
really
position
us
not
only
for
the
current
customer
that
we
have,
but
for
that
future
customer
and
it'll
really
put
us
on
the
platform.
P
So
beyond
South
Commons,
we
still
have
the
other
five
fields
that
we
still
need
to
address
at
the
softball
complex,
the
round
house,
as
we
call
it,
which
is
centrally
located
around
our
five
fields.
There
are
only
four
restroom
stalls
in
the
facility
we
pump.
Thousands
of
spectators
and
teams
into
that
facility
for
women
stalls
does
not
take
care
of
the
needs
for
that
facility.
The
men's
facility
also
needs
to
be
addressed,
so
we
need
to
expand
the
restroom
facility
expand
the
concession
stand.
The
lungs
are
typically
extremely
long.
P
They're
the
supple
complex
because
of
the
magnitude
of
people
who
are
coming
into
the
complex
and
it
just
doesn't
service
the
need,
in
addition
to
cell
Commons,
we
have
to
address
with
your
form
Soccer
Complex.
As
you
know,
this
past
May
over
Memorial
Day
weekend
a
weekend
that
we
traditionally
host
over
160
teams
due
to
weather
that
event
was
pulled
the
day
before
we
were
to
start
play.
We
lost
two
point:
three
million
dollars
in
revenue
that
we
can
from
that
soccer
event.
P
So
what
we
would
like
to
see
at
would
your
farm
going
into
future
phases,
for
our
facilities
is
some
kind
of
mixed
use
of
turf
and
natural
grass,
as
well
as
a
restroom
and
meeting
area
out
on
our
lower
fields.
It
is
over
1,100
feet
for
our
youth
soccer
players
to
walk
to
the
restroom
when
they're
on
the
lower
fields
at
the
facility,
and
that's
parents
also.
P
So
if
you
can
imagine
during
the
middle
of
a
game
trying
to
walk
to
the
closest
restroom,
that's
a
great
distance
to
walk
just
to
get
to
a
close
restroom.
In
addition
to
our
Woodruff
arm.
Soccer,
Complex
and
I'll
go
through
some
of
the
other
venues
and
some
photos
for
you,
but
we
know
AJ
Macomb
Memorial
golden
Park.
The
list
goes
on
and
on
with
Benning
Park,
even
Bull
Creek
goblin
Creek.
We
across
the
city.
We
see
our
sports
tourism
facilities
and
the
what
our
local
residents
are
using.
P
Okay,
so
would
your
farm
soccer
complex
this
past
fiscal
year
we
brought
in
six
hundred
and
forty
eight
thousand
dollars
and
visitor
spending,
since
the
facility
was
built
over
forty
three
million,
and
that
note
there
again
with
state
cut.
We
lost
that
two
point
three,
so
you
see
the
local
venue
utilization
through
our
local
participation.
There
are
a
couple
of
clubs
that
play
at
would
your
farm,
we
have
our
Columbus,
you
soccer
club,
and
then
we
have
our
red
star
and
so
with
the
two
that
mixed
combination
of
turf
will
allow
for
more
practices.
P
P
Ajay
Macomb
memorial
over
one
point:
six
million
dollars
in
revenue
this
last
fiscal
year
and
since
nineteen
ninety
five
over
22
million
the
local
usage.
There
are
local
high
schools
that
utilizes
the
venue,
as
well
as
our
Columbus.
U
football
that
still
plays
at
AJ,
Macomb
Memorial,
and
then
our
out-of-town
participants
that
come
in
for
the
classics
or
even
for
some
of
those
out-of-town
high
school
games
where
they're
coming
into
play
and
a
J
McCloy
memorial
has
significant
upgrade
needs
from
the
changing
areas
for
the
teams.
P
You
see
the
erosion
there
that
is
underneath
one
of
the
steps
leading
down
to
the
field,
the
natural
grass
because
of
the
the
water
that
comes
down
the
hills
into
the
area
of
the
field.
You
see
constant
dirt
there,
instead
of
grass,
just
because
of
all
the
water
that's
pumped
into
the
facility
and
also
from
the
erosion
underneath.
The
actual
seating
also
occurs
there.
Agent,
McCormick
Benning
Park.
This
is
a
great
little
ball
park,
it's
not
being
utilized
to
its
full
potential.
P
Unfortunately,
you
see
the
great
photos
that
are
before
you
with
some
of
the
fencing
some
of
the
dirt
right
outside
the
dugout
areas,
the
actual
concession
and
restroom
building.
We
utilize
this
venue
a
several
times
a
year
for
our
adult
softball
teams
that
come
to
play
at
South
Commons.
It
is
an
overflow
facility
for
us,
and
so
we
currently
have
visitors
coming
to
this
part
to
play.
We
do
not
use
the
restrooms
at
this
facility.
P
We
bring
in
porta
toilets
as
well
as
portable
hand
washing
station,
because
we
wouldn't
fit
our
visitor
in
this
building
and
so
at
binning
Park.
Not
only
do
the
locals
need
more
adult
fields
to
play
on
for
our
local
softball
leagues,
but
also
for
our
visitors,
who
are
coming
here
to
spend
a
lot
of
money
they're
using
this
part
as
an
overflow.
P
Bull
Creek
Golf
Course
there
again
just
showing
some
of
the
other
venues
in
the
city
that
have
sports
tourism
components
have
a
lot
of
local
utilization
as
well.
That's
an
area
that
the
concession,
the
clubhouse,
the
restrooms
that
need
to
be
upgraded
at
once
we
were
a
top-25
I,
think
it
can
get
there
again.
P
This
just
has
given
you
some
information
from
our
fiscal
year,
2018
our
return
on
investment,
and
this
is
from
the
hotel
mental
tax
that
we
receive
to
what
the
estimated
impact
is
to
the
community.
That
return
on
investment
is
to
six
dollars
and
69
cent.
So
for
every
dollar
of
hotel-motel
tax
we
received
it
generates
26.
You
know
dollars
in
69
cent
facts
of
the
community
per
dollar.
We
had
over
44,000
participants
over
86
events
that
we
helped
support
throughout
the
community.
The
national
average,
with
our
national
association
of
sports
commissions
is
45.
P
Our
top
five
venues
sell
comments
traditionally
is
the
highest
in
impact
return.
One
reason
for
that
is
it's
not
used
by
local
citizens
during
the
weekends
and
so
we're
able
to
book
events
at
that
facility
more
frequently
than
we
are
some
of
the
others
just
because
of
the
local
utilization,
and
so
South
Commons
tends
to
be
the
highest
producing
for
us.
Would
your
farm
this
year
took
a
dip
there
again,
because
the
state
cup
said
that
two
point
three
that
we
generally
have
at
that
facility?
P
It
brought
us
down
to
six
hundred
and
forty-eight,
hey
J,
McClung,
still
holding
strong
Cooper
Creek
tennis
facility
is
an
amazing
facility.
We're
not
finished
there.
Yet,
if
you
drive
through
the
park,
that's
where
we
need
to
really
enhance
Cooper
Creek,
the
restrooms,
the
parking,
what
that
visitor
sees
when
they
come
through
the
front
entrance
Cooper
Creek
still,
even
though,
is
that
it's
upgrades
we're
still
not
done
with
the
park
itself.
The
Civic
Center
through
our
Georgia
high
school
State,
cheerleading
Championships,
we're
excited.
P
We
have
a
great
opportunity
next
February
to
host
another
cheerleading
event
there.
At
the
facility
we
have
site
visits
coming
up
later
August,
so
our
demographics
just
said
just
to
point
out
to
you
kind
of
where
these
ages
and
who's
come
into
the
facility.
We
try
to
focus
on
the
18
and
under
because
we
know
they're
gonna
bring
more
momma's
and
daddies
and
they're
going
to
bring
their
aunts
and
uncles
grandparents,
so
that
18
and
under
is
very
important
to
us.
P
We
enjoy
having
the
collegiate
experience
also
and
bringing
those
college
athletes
to
Columbus
that
is
recruiting
young
talent.
That
is
bringing
people
to
our
community.
That
may
see
industry
here
and
want
to
move
here,
so
that
college
aspect
is
also
important,
as
well
as
the
adults,
the
adults
bring
families.
They
come
back
to
Columbus,
which
is
important.
P
So
just
the
room
nights,
it
shows
kind
of
a
comparison,
FY
18
still
that
dip,
because
a
state
cut
and
then
what's
our
timeline
for
this
construction.
So
we
know
we
had
to
hit
the
ground
running.
We've
had
our
experts
come
in
and
tell
us
their
best
estimates
for
the
facility
to
get
international
cup
ready
and
then,
when
we
start
construction,
we're
looking
at
November,
which
is
right
after
the
state
softball
championships.
So
right
now
the
facility
has
been
utilized
up
into
that
point.
P
Typically,
the
fields
rest
November
through
November
through
January,
and
so
we
have
that
time
frame
to
really
focus
on
the
venue.
We
have
events
scheduled
there
at
the
facility,
even
leading
up
until
international
cup
of
july
2019
and
so
the
contractors.
The
architects
are
all
aware
of
those
dates
that
we
have
and
we're
going
to
do
our
best
to
try
to
maneuver
around
those
existing
events.
But
we
have
a
short
timeline
to
really
get
in
there
repair
the
stadium,
get
it
up
to
speed,
get
it
looking
good.
Some
of
this
is
an
issue
of
pride.
P
For
us,
we
want
to
make
sure
Columbus
is
represented
very
well
in
front
of
these
softball
enthusiasts
in
front
of
our
visitors
from
around
the
world,
who
will
be
coming
back
to
Columbus.
Several
of
the
players
who
played
here
in
1996
are
now
coaching
and
so
they'll
be
returning
to
Columbus.
They
want
to
see
it
in
the
best
light
they
want
to
return
to
the
facility
that
they
played
at
and
see
it
in
a
positive
way.
B
P
B
P
B
B
Q
P
P
Things
as
far
as
the
turf
that
she'll
grasp
the
lip
that
happens
between
the
grass
and
the
dirt
and
Holly's
here,
she
may
be
able
to
better
answer
any
of
the
things
that
they've
done.
But
the
scoreboards
were
purchased
by
the
Sports.
Council
last
year
said
that
that
wasn't
me,
we
couldn't
get
light
bulbs
for
the
old
school
boards
anymore
and
that's
important
when
you're
hosting
big
events
that
are
coming
in
parents
want
to
see
those
scoreboards,
and
so
we
purchased
a
new
scoreboards
last
fiscal
year.
Okay,.
Q
P
We
are
looking
at
is
to
make
sure
that
we
upgrade
the
facilities
when
we're
talking
about
lighting,
we're
talking
about
LED
and
so
we're
doing
we're
trying
to
do
the
best
for
the
facility
that'll
last
and
have
longevity
for
the
facility,
and
so
everything
that
we're
proposing
were
for
the
lifespan
to
continue
to
host
big
events
there.
It
will
need
upgrades,
obviously
their
restrooms
and
other
technologies
that
are
going
to
come
between
now
and
then,
but
we're
hoping
that
the
renovations
that
we
do
will
give
us
several
years.
Okay,.
Q
P
We
have
I
think
we
have
four
fields
who
are
currently
named.
The
stadium
is
not
named,
the
field
is
named
RG
Jones,
but
the
stadium
itself
is
not
named,
and
so
you
see
examples.
Columbus
State
University
has
that
same
example,
where
it's
right
still
fill
birthing
Stadium.
So
there
may
be
an
opportunity
there
to
name
the
stadium
and
through
that
international
exposure
through
ESPN
it'll,
be
said
over
and
over
and
over
again,
where
there,
at
the
stadium
name,
I.
Q
K
Sure
you
have
said
several
times
about
the
economic
impact
of
these
fields.
I
know
that
we
have
tournaments
at
South
Commons
ten
months
out
of
the
year.
Is
that
what
you
said
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
economic
impact?
What
what
is
included
in
that?
What
is
what
are
we
seeing
when
you
have
those
tournaments
and
as
I
understand
it,
most
of
them
are
multi-day
tournaments?
Is
that
correct?
That's.
P
Correct
so
most
of
the
events
that
we
host
our
Friday
through
Sunday.
So
when
we
generate
the
economic
impact,
we're
calculating
their
hotel
stay,
we
do
surveys
throughout
the
venue
asking
what
hotel
they're
staying
in,
how
many
nights
they're
saying
how
many
rooms
they're
occupying.
We
ask
questions
like
what
kind
of
restaurants
they
go
to,
so
we
know
that
visitors
spending,
even
if
it's
not
an
overnight
State
they're,
just
driving
in
for
the
day.
We
know
they're
going
to
spend
money
either
at
the
concessions
gas.
P
Those
other
things
that
they're
going
to
do
while
they're
here
in
Columbus
the
marketing
dollar
isn't
even
calculated
into
this.
So
when
they
come
to
Columbus
for
an
event
what
they
see
here
and
want
to
come
back
for.
That's
just
icing
on
the
cake.
This
is
the
one
time
visitor
when
they
come
into
Columbus,
for
that
particular
event
is.
K
P
Most
of
the
events
have
a
field
rental
agreement
and
three
parts
integration.
We
cover
that
expense
for
a
lot
of
the
events
that
Sports
Council
does
so
that's
one
of
our
recruitment
tools
that
we
use
if
they
have
X
amount
of
teams
that
are
coming
in
to
spend
the
night
we'll
pay
for
that
some
of
their
field
usage
fees.
So
there
is
a
fee
that
goes
back
to
the
city
every
year.
K
P
K
P
Has
been
brought
up
recently
and
so
the
primary
because
of
the
short
turnaround
time,
and
we
need
to
get
to
those
people
who
can
make
those
decisions
very
quickly
has
been
to
really
kind
of
focus
locally,
but
recently
it
has
been
brought
up.
You
know
that
those
are
some
of
the
big
contributors
here
in
Georgia,
the
state
of
Georgia
who
may
be
interested
in
this
project,
not
only
because
it's
international,
because
it's
within
the
state
of
Georgia
and.
K
I
do
want
to
emphasize
that
you
know
I've
had
people
say
to
me
in
fact,
I
had
somebody
say
to
me
today
something
about
the
use
of
that
Stadium.
It's
not
that
complex,
not
used
very
much.
It's
used
every
weekend
put
in
ten
months,
and
we
don't
put
that
out
as
much
as
I
think
we
should
that
there
are
people
down
there
every
weekend
in
our
town.
K
K
P
Is
something
I've
asked
the
landscape,
architects,
our
architects
contractors
who
have
been
at
the
facility
to
help
build
a
program
for
us
to
follow
so
as
we
move
forward
with
renovating
these
facilities,
also
having
a
program
of
work
on
a
regular
basis
of
what
that
would
take.
So
that's
something
that's
being
considered
right
now
and
as
part
of
the
process,
to
make
sure
that
those
things
are
addressed.
Thank.
P
One
thing,
I'll
just
add
real,
quick,
because
our
offices
are
down
at
golden
part.
We
get
visitors
there
pretty
great
early.
We
had
a
gentleman
he
stopped
in.
He
played
at
the
facility
in
1980
in
1981,
and
it
was
from
Seattle
was
in
Georgia
visiting
his
daughter,
who
recently
moved
here
somewhere
in
North
Georgia
and
made
it
a
point
to
bring
his
family
back
to
Columbus,
to
see
that
Park.
That
is
the
return
visitor.
That
is
what
sports
tourism
does.
P
It
brings
people
back
because
of
the
importance
that
was
whatever
level
of
play
that
they
play
here
through
the
state
championships
that
experience
that
they
have.
They
come
back
because
that's
what
they
want
to
see,
they
want
their
grandkids
their
legacy
to
see.
So
it's
pretty
cool
for
us
to
be
on
the
front
1
of
some
of
those
things
that
happen,
but
they
do
come
back,
which
is
fun
I,.
M
Do
want
to
mention
I
know
that
that
has
been
brought
up
about
the
naming
rights.
Currently,
the
Civic
Center
is
pursuing
naming
rights,
and
so
we
could
certainly
add
South
Commons
piece
to
that.
Just
to
see
what
those
opportunities
are
because,
of
course,
there's
money
in
in
the
naming
rights,
and
so
that
would
definitely
help
us
facilitate
this.
If
we
could,
you
know
certainly
may
not
be
able
to
get
it
in
time
for
this,
but
the
opportunities
are
there,
and
so
we
will
pursue
that.
B
R
You
mayor
well,
we've
talked
about
the
5.6
million.
It
is.
Are
you
your
I
guess
goal
is
to
get
to
a
public-private
partnership,
so
you're
looking
for
the
city
to
decide
what
at
what
point?
Well
how
we
can
be
involved
in
at
what
point
so
I
would
like
to
ask
the
city
manager's
office
if
you
would
begin
to
compile
some
data
on
reporting
back
to
council
and
no
we're
working
on
a
quick
timeline
here
with
30
days.
Be
enough
time
for
you
to
okay,
yes,.
M
And
we
meant,
of
course,
with
Marian's
members
of
her
board
and
we
at
that
time
a
number
was
not
thrown
out,
of
course,
because
of
the
fundraising
piece
that
they
wanted
to
pursue,
but
we'll
definitely
kind
of
I
think
we're
able
to
perhaps
hone
in
on
some
exact
figures
of
what
they're
looking
to
raise
versus
what
they're
looking
for
the
city
to
contribute,
so
we'll
definitely
be
able
to
bring
something
back
to
you.
Okay,.
M
Q
Have
another
question
for
the
city
manager's
office
based
off
everything
I'm
seeing
on
here
doesn't
like
eeeh.
This
wouldn't
increase
our
maintenance
cost.
If
we're
gonna
put
money
in
this
and
make
it
a
nice
facility
I
like
some
sort
of
analysis
of
what
are
the
true
maintenance
costs,
because
we
know
we
haven't
been
allocating
enough
for
maintenance
and
I
want
us
to
make
sure
we
can
maintain
this
facility,
so
I
like
council
to
know
what
it
will
take.
A
conservative
number
that
hopefully
we
can
come
in
too
low.
Okay.
M
We'll
certainly
do
that,
and
you
know
that
not
long
ago
we
didn't
come
to
you
and
just
gave
you
an
outline
and
analysis
of
all
of
our
facilities
to
include
your
our
sporting
facilities
as
well.
But,
of
course
that
did
not
include
that
ongoing
maintenance.
It
was
just
updating,
upgrading
renovations
kind
of
thing.
We
can
do
that
on
all
those.
O
O
I
can
get
from
my
district,
but
there
is
a
constituency
that
I
also
have
to
answer
to
and
I
want
to
be
able
to
say:
okay
based
on
the
income
based
on
what's
coming
in,
you
know
this
is
why
we're
supporting
this
to
help
our
budget.
You
know
your
project
that
you're
concerned
is
number
a
blank
blank
blank
on
the
list.
You.
G
O
I
think
that's
important
that
we
keep
in
mind
too
because
often
and
I'm
not
you
know,
against
the
project.
Often
people
in
the
public
will
say
to
us.
Well,
you
know:
we've
been
waiting
for
this
Blaine
Blaine
Blaine,
Collison
Li.
These
people
showed
up
and
you
guys
just
jumped
on
it
and
forgot
about
us.
K
O
L
Thank
you,
Mary
as
it
relates
to
maintenance,
I.
Think
we're
talking
my
understands.
We're
talking
about
two
different
aspects
of
this
there's:
a
maintenance.
There's
maintenance
costs.
It's
budgeted
every
year
that
we
as
a
city,
we
budget,
I,
think
what
you're
my
understanding
of
what
you're
explaining
is
a
maintenance
program
that
would
keep
the
facilities
up
to
respectable,
acceptable
sustainable
standards.
L
In
order
to
support
these
events,
I
think,
there's
been
a
number
I've
had
a
number
of
concerns
expressed
to
me
about
tournaments
other
types
of
venues
that
come
to
town
that
the
surfaces
might
not
be
quite
where
they
need
to
be
ie
soccer.
You
know
other
facilities
and
of
course
again
the
city
has
a
a
budget
that
it
operates
when
and
the
extra
revenue
is
is
not
always
there
to
support
these
venues.
But
what
I
hear
you
talking
about
is
maintenance
costs
that
go
above
and
beyond.
L
P
It
may
be,
you
know,
the
part
of
that
maintenance,
for
our
end
would
be
making
sure
that
the
the
Wi-Fi
all
that
stuff
is
still
up
to
date,
that
the
scoreboards
all
those
component
needs
for
and
actually
that
those
are
being
addressed.
But
also
you
know,
working
with
Parks
and
Recreation
on
a
maintenance
program
with
whatever's
put
in
place
at
the
facility
to
make
sure
they're
comfortable
with
the
maintenance
side
of
what's
being
done
at
the
facility
in.
M
Councilor
Davis
week
budget
about
1.7
million
dollars
across
all
funds,
keeping
in
mind
that
we
certainly
have
over
600
facilities
that
we
have
to
maintain
within
that.
So
it
does.
It
puts
a
dent
in
where
we
are
in
terms
of
maintaining
our
facilities
and
does
not
get
it
up
to
that
standard
and
that
level
of
respectability
that
we're
looking
for
in
terms
of
these
facilities.
What
we
would
like
to
see
them
well.
L
M
T
We
passed
a
2015
sports
and
promised
the
citizens
of
Columbus
that
we
would
build
a
new
Spencer
high
school
near
the
corner
of
Fort
Benning
Road
and
caseta
Road.
You
are
probably
familiar
with
the
fact
that
we
got
got
the
property
and
they
land
swap
with
the
City
of
Columbus.
We
have
roughly
37
acres.
T
The
project
budget
was
56
million
dollars.
The
actual
cost
of
construction
is
going
to
end
up
about
49
million
dollars.
The
school
itself
is
roughly
two
hundred
and
five
thousand
square
feet
and
I
think
you
would
find
everything
you
would
expect
to
find
in
a
new,
modern
and
complete
high
school,
we're
very
proud
of
it.
T
M
T
T
M
T
B
T
Are-
and
that
brings
to
man
an
opportunity
for
me
to
tell
you
how
much
I
appreciate
the
Code
Enforcement
Division,
who
worked
hand
in
glove
with
us
to
make
sure
that
we
got
a
certificate
of
occupancy
and
time
to
open
the
school
of
the
8th
of
August.
So
we
appreciate
that
the
fire
marshal's
office
did
an
equally
good
job
and,
coordinating
with
us
great.
B
B
All
sorts
of
things
and
worked
on
cars
and
things
like
that
and
learn
some
basics,
but
now
they
are
doing
all
kinds
of
things
so
that
kids
have
basic
skills
and
also
for
those
with
disabilities.
They
have
basic
life,
skill
rooms,
teaching
them
how
to
be
adults
and
run
their
own
homes
or
apartments.
So
so
incredible
I
invite
the
community
to
get
out
there
and
see
it
for
themselves.
Councilor
Woodson!
Yes,.
O
Mr.
heck
I
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
went
I
think
it
was
what
like
last
week,
Wednesday
or
something
like
that
and
I
can
tell
you
all.
My
children
went
to
Spencer
Samos
Spencer,
mom
and
cheerleader
for
Spencer
and
I
can
tell
you.
It
is
a
May
using
even
an
individual
who
has
no
capability
or
would
like
to
go
to
college
can
still
graduate
from
school
high
school
with
a
trade.
The
cosmetology
room
was
amazing.
O
The
auto
mechanic
shop
was
amazing,
where
they
can
even
lift
the
vehicles
up
and
work
under
the
vehicles,
the
drama
theater
they
had
their
own
drama
room
with
their
own
stage
and
places
it
was
just
amazing.
I
had
told
the
colleagues
I
went
with
me,
I
kind
of
wish
I
could
go
back
to
high
school.
Now
it
will
be
lots
of
fun.
The
band
room,
dance,
I,
usually
always
neglected
over.
O
You
know
the
footballs
and
baseball
teams
and
stuff,
my
god
that
was
so
impressive,
their
own
area
to
practice
their
own
room,
their
own
individual
rooms
for
them
to
practice.
It
was
just
amazing
science
and
biology
when
you're
dealing
with
chemicals
does
something
happen.
You
know
we
would
have
to
run
down
the
hallway
and
grab
buckets
and
pour
a
lot
over
someone.
You
have
a
shower
right
there,
where
the
individual
can
do
it.
O
O
Also
our
LTC,
which
is
another
group,
that's
always
kept
in
the
background
quietly,
my
god.
What
you
guys
have
done
for
them
is
just
amazing.
It
would
encourage
our
young
people
to
you
know,
serve
our
country,
which
everyone
should
be
and
do
proudly
I
mean
you
guys
did
an
amazing
job.
There
was
only
one
thing
that
I
gave
on
the
person
that
was
giving
us
the
tour
a
little
hard
time.
I
said
on
the
women's
locker
needs
to
be
a
little
bigger.
O
Now
we
need
a
little
bit
more
space
and
they
all
laughed
and
we
talked
about
it,
but
you
have
y'all,
have
all
done
an
amazing
job
and
it
handsome
really
improved
the
area.
I
think
it
will
encourage
the
neighbors
to
have
hope
and
faith
and
redevelop
it
and
make
it
beautiful
that
whole
area
will
have
a
complete
transformation
thanks
to
the
vision
of
the
school
system,
to
relocate,
Spencer
yeah.
So
I
just
like
to
say
thank
you.
Thank.
T
O
Actually
in
college
I
mean
it
was,
it
was
really
really
amazing
and
and
I'm
very
glad
and
the
community
is
very
blessed
to
have
it
there
and
I
hope
that
everyone
can
see
the
vision,
appreciate
and
help
maintain
it
and
let
it
grow
because
those
students
are
well
well
deserve.
It
they've
been
behind
the
scenes
for
a
long
time,
and
maybe
that's
why
they
finally
won
a
football
game.
They
got
that
energy
makes
knowing
they
had
a
new
school.
So
we'll
see
what
goes
on
from
that,
but
thank
you
so
much
appreciate
it.
Thank.
T
I
S
T
The
original
budget
was
56
million
dollars
that
was
established
actually
in
2014,
when
we
were
talking
about
the
2015's
policy
and
the
projects
that
were
to
be
included
in
that
space.
Fortunately,
we
will
be
under
that
budget
by
roughly
three
million
dollars,
I
think,
but
that
budget
included
lion
Costard
included
architectural
fees,
that
included
testing
and
included.
Surveys
included
sole
reports,
sole
investigation,
so
it
included
it
also
included
environmental
studies.
T
I
think
it
bets,
if
that's
a
question,
that's
probably
for
the
superintendent
but
I'll
give
you
my
opinion.
I
think
we
will
have
enough
money
to
build
the
stadium
and
at
least
be
pretty
far
ahead,
as
well
as
the
design
and
the
programming
of
it
and
I
think
there's
a
very
good
chance
that
we'll
be
able
to
build
it.
I.
S
Was
not
able
to
go
on
the
tour
inside
the
building,
but
it
was
I'll
run
it
because
the
day
I
got
the
call
I've
just
been
out
riding
around
the
building
and
it
it's
absolutely
gorgeous.
Although
I
went
to
Carver
High
School
in
no
matter
who
it
was
just
high
school
can
be
real,
proud
of
what
that
facility
looks
like
Thanks
what
it
will
produce,
because
I
know
some
great
man
is
gonna
come
out
of
it.
That's
right.
B
It's
a
lot
to
be
proud
of,
and
the
school
board
and
the
superintendent
all
of
you
all
are
to
be
commended
for
choosing
that
particular
location
and
being
a
part
of
the
Reformation
of
that
area.
You
know,
there's
going
to
be
a
new
interchange
at
the
caseta
road
now
and
that's
going
to
really
open
that
up
for
some
wonderful
development
and
also
community
enrichment.
There's
a
lot
of
great
communities
there.
So,
let's
see
councillor
Davis
mr.
L
T
L
L
L
L
And
your
field,
what
you're,
seeing
in
all
I
know
if
you
started
today,
I
think
those
costs
would
be
totally
different.
I
think
you
would
agree
they
would
be
totally
different.
Are
you
starting
to
see
the
material
cost
I
think
we're
all
starting
to
see
about
you?
Did
you
see
that
of
a
material
cost
starting
to
escalate
construction
cost
starting
to
escalate
now?
L
T
I
would
say
that
over
the
past
five
or
six
years
that
the
effect
of
inflation
has
been
fairly
minimal,
maybe
three
percent
a
year-
something
like
that,
but
yeah
we
do
anticipate
from
everything.
I
read
that
destruction
cost
will
escalate
some
of
it
due
to
the
tariffs.
Steel
is
gonna,
be
more
expensive,
aluminum
is
gonna,
be
more
expensive
and
many
of
the
byproducts
will
be
more
expensive.
Yeah.
L
T
I
U
All
right,
I'll
try
to
be
brief
right
now.
We're
kind
of
in
a
holding
pattern
waiting
on
the
insurance
companies
are
trying
to
get
some
information,
but
we'll
go
through
it
where
we
stand
like
I've
mentioned
before,
which
still
maintains
the
same,
that
the
ninth
floor
below
is
still
open
for
public
access,
10
and
11
are
still
closed.
Serpro
has
completed
all
that
work
in
the
building
service.
Since
that
time,
serous
fence
has
been
replaced
by
Public,
Works
fence,
so
there's
no
any
and
current
costs
from
surf
pro.
U
At
this
time
we've
had
our
mechanical
and
electrical
and
security
numbers.
That's
what
we're
reconciling
back
and
forth
with
the
insurance
adjusters,
so
we
sent
them.
The
initial
number
then
they're
asking
us
questions
about
XY
and
Z,
so
we're
sitting
we're
meeting
with
them
again
sending
back
information
and
going
back
and
forth
with
them
so
I
have.
It
has
hoped
to
have
by
the
end
of
the
month,
but
we're
looking
probably
early
August
to
have
really
have
a
final
number
of
construction,
at
least
for
the
incident.
The
first
incident.
U
In
the
meantime,
we
attack
surf
Pro
to
kind
of
come
back
in
and
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
any
open
ceiling
panels.
Anything
like
that,
so
we've
asked
them
to
come
in
and
cover
those
areas
up
that
helps
with
our
heating
and
cooling
costs,
because
we're
not
even
cooling
all
that
part
of
the
building
and
we're
not
worried
about
any
particles
or
anything
like
that
falling
on
people
or
or
employees.
So
these
are
some
pictures
kind
of
some
situations.
U
This
is
in
the
solicitor's
office,
it's
kind
of
they're
kind
of
half
in
half
in
there
they're
in
there
and
then
they're
in
one
of
the
wings,
but
we
kind
of
blocked
off
the
area
where
we
didn't
want
them,
because
it
is
still
some
material
and
construction
is
gonna
have
to
take
place.
This
is
this
is
Solicitor
General's
night
floor
and
then
this
was
outside
of
that
same
office.
U
That's
one
of
the
floors
where
ideally
we'd
love
to
have
people
not
necessarily
on
it
but
having
to
have
that
courtroom
and
to
also
have
this
solicitor
when
state
court
to
continue
so
we
don't
have
any
backups
in
the
jail,
so
they
can
continue
to
get
that
docket
moving.
We
have
to
have
that
area
open
the
grand
jury's
kind
of
beyond
that,
and
that
is
closed
and
they've
had
that
move
to
another
location.
U
That's
just
Smith's
Municipal
Court.
So
that's
on
the
eighth
floor
that
there
is
the
picture
to
the
riots
and
the
mayor's
conference
room,
so
we're
just
trying
to
kind
of
maintain
what
we
have
at
this
point.
Until
we
get
till
we
get
the
construction
and
start
moving
forward
with
that
for
flooding.
Incident
number
two,
the
four
third
and
second
floors
are
still
open.
We
didn't
have
any
interruption
in
service
there
once
again,
the
mechanical
and
electrical
and
security
have
all
sent
their
numbers
in
for
repairs.
U
Like
I
said,
one
of
the
unfortunate
things
is
because
the
adjusters
were
already
here
looking
at
incident
number
one
when
it's
time
for
them
to
look
at
incident
number
two.
They
just
kept
walking
down
the
stairs
so
we're
already
here,
so
that
helped
with
our
timeline
we're
getting
all
these
numbers
together
so
and
we're
going
back
and
forth
with
them
on
on
that
number,
as
well,
just
to
make
a
comment
up
the
air
quality
testing,
which
was
done
on
July
14th
with
the
areas
affected
in
flood
incident,
which
is
the
4th
3rd
and
2nd.
U
U
Anything
like
that,
like
I've
said
before
we've
talked
to
OSHA,
we've
talked
to
the
CDC
and
there's
not
really
a
good
count
for
mold
they
just
they
there's
not
a
certain
number.
So
it's
not
like
300
is
the
worst
number
or
400
is
the
word.
There's
no
number
they're.
Just
saying
just
to
be
able
to
monitor,
and
now
that
we
have
a
baseline,
we
can
monitor
to
see
if
anything
like
that
changes
and
like
I've
mentioned
before,
there's
no
black
mold
anywhere
any
samples
found
in
any
parts
of
the
building.
U
B
Any
questions
for
John
all
right
looks
like
we're
good
John.
Thank
you.
I
did
want
to
reiterate.
We've
had
some
sidebar
conversations
about
whether
we
should
pull
together
a
group
to
talk
about
how
to
proceed
through
these
changes
and
utilize.
This
opportunity
to
do
some
renovations,
whether
there's
opportunities
to
maximize
some
renewal,
various
floors
or
the
whole
building
and
I
haven't
received
much
feedback.
So
do
think
about
that.
Let
me
know
your
thoughts,
whether
you
think
we
can
start
a
new
group
use
the
the
building
commission.
We
have
and
add
to
it.
B
We
can
have
the
meetings
here,
obviously,
and
they
would
be
opened
and
discuss
the
opportunities,
but
we
are
moving
along
John
I
suspect
the
insurance
company
will
make
their
final
decisions.
They'll
probably
be
some
robust
negotiations
and
at
some
point
a
check
will
be
cut
and
so
we'll
need
to
know
what
we.
What
council's
direction
is
for.
If
we
just
proceed
on
to
do
the
drywall,
the
carpeting,
the
painting
or
take
the
opportunity
to
do
other
enhancements
that
we've
cited
as
being
needed
over
the
time.
B
So
do
think
of
that
we
do
have
a
lot
of
opportunities.
I
sent
you
the
building
commission
report,
we
do
have
a
lot
of
opportunities
for
surveying
and
I.
Think
about
1,800
people
responded
to
our
prior
survey,
which
is
pretty
remarkable
to
get
that
kind
of
input
from
the
and
then,
of
course
we
can
even
do
more
sophisticated
surveying.
So
if
the
counselors,
let
me
know
their
feedback
on
that,
otherwise
we
will
just
proceed
on
to
patch
up
what
we've
got
and
reload
those
floors
and
and
hope
the
pipes
hold
so
John.
Anything
further.
M
O
M
U
Right,
July,
1
of
2018,
the
Department
of
Community
Affairs
at
state
level,
did
approve
a
tiny
home
appendix
ideally.
What
I
wanted
to
do
is
kind
of
get
the
temperature
from
council
kind
of
saved,
where
yay
or
nay,
for
it
is
an
appendix.
So
we
don't
have
to
adopt
it,
but
we
just
did
want
to
present
it
to
you.
U
But
that's
kind
of
the
definition.
So
if
he
goes
over
400
feet,
I
mean
400
square
feet,
then
it
would
have
to
fall
under
our
typical
would
be
a
house
or
a
structure,
and
we
would
have
to
define
it
as
that.
It's
under
400
square
feet,
then
it
would
be
considered
a
tiny
home
and
the
DCA
has
provided
us
with
new
rules
and
regulations
for
those
type
of
facilities
to
try
to
help
explain
it.
U
There's
four
types:
recreational
vehicles,
mobile
homes,
modular
builders,
in
sight,
bill
typically
for
us
we're
only
going
to
be
dealing
with
the
last
two
there
chill
modular
insight
built
structures.
Rvs
are
RVs
they're
going
to
go
where
they
go.
Mobile
homes
are
only
allowed
in
mobile
home
parks.
So
if
you
see
like
the
tiny
houses
on
wheels,
those
would
not
be
allowed.
It
has
to
be
sitting
on
the
ground
on
a
permanent
foundation
or
a
block
crawlspace
foundation,
so
that's
kind
of
the
biggest.
U
So
no
no
RVs
anything
like
that
would
be
considered
a
tiny
house
on
wheels.
They
would
be
considered
an
RV
and
that's
regulated
by
G
dot.
Department
of
Transportation
they'd
have
to
get
a
license
plate
all
that.
So
that's
that's
not
what
we're
talking
about
we're,
also
not
talking
about
mobile
homes,
because
they'll
still
have
a
metal
chassis
attached
to
it.
Those
go
through
HUD
regulations
and
those
are
only
locally
allowed
in
mobile
home
parks.
U
So
we're
not
talking
about
those
either
well
we're
mentioning
now
it's
more
of
a
modular
building
so
say:
if
a
contractor
wanted
to
produce
these
in
mass
and
put
them
on
locations,
those
are
the
things
we
would
have
to
inspect
and
also
for
a
site
built
if
they
literally
just
want
to
build
a
tiny
house
on
a
lot
by
itself.
This
would
be
the
regulations
we're
looking
at
all
right.
So
typically,
our
barriers
to
construction
is
mostly
building.
U
We
have
minimum
square
footage
requirements,
so
your
minimum
square
foot
for
a
bedroom
is
120
square
feet.
That
is
so
in
a
tiny
house.
If
we're
talking
about
400
square
feet,
more
than
half
your
space
would
have
to
be
a
bedroom
and
then
70
square
foot
in
your
kitchen.
So
now
you're
already
up
to
almost
200
over
200
square
feet
and
you're
trying
to
make
everything
else
fit.
You
know
your
living
room
and
all
those
kind
of
things.
U
U
Zoning
requirements
would
be
the
other
part
which
we
just
kind
of
go
into
a
little
detail.
You
got
your
land
use
your
location,
your
high.
Typically,
it's
gonna,
be
it's
gonna
fall
under
your
kind
of
your
setback.
So
say
you
have
a
small
lot
that
may
only
have
you
know,
50
foot
of
street
frontage
and
if
you're
doing
your
setbacks
based
on
each
side,
you
know
setbacks
from
the
adjacent
structures.
U
U
I
tried
to
search
online
and
find,
and
then
that's
kind
of
the
thing
is
people
who,
like
what's
the
track
record
for
these
things,
because
they
technically
has
never
been
a
statute
to
be
able
to
regulate
them
under
people.
Don't
really
publicize.
Hey
I
got
a
tiny
house
here.
I
got
a
tiny
house
there
because
it
doesn't
meet
any
requirements.
So
typically
it's
a
city
or
a
location
or
locale
that
has
allowed
some
type
of
exception
for
them
to
be
built.
U
A
lot
of
these
are
kind
of
staged,
houses,
respect
houses
to
get
people
interested
in
them.
Like
I,
said
tiny
house,
Atlanta
I
know
in
Decatur
they
typically
do
a
kind
of
a
open
house
and
they
bring
a
lot
of
trailers
onto
a
site.
You
do
it
more
or
less
like
a
special
event,
and
then
they
bring
them
out
and
they
have
a
mouth.
People
can
walk
around
them,
but
once
again
those
are
on
wheels,
so
those
aren't
allowed
or
the
ones
you
see
on
HGTV.
Those
are
on
wheels.
Those
wouldn't
be
allowed.
U
B
Let
me
to
add
on
to
what
councilor
Woodson
was
saying.
This
is
actually
a
big
deal.
I
mean
this
is
not
new.
This
has
happened
in
communities
throughout
the
country.
In
fact,
I
heard
a
fairly
lengthy
presentation,
so
it
must
have
been
NPR,
but
on
the
radio
when
I
was
traveling
recently
and
these
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
why
somebody
would
want
to
live
in
a
400
square
foot
house.
B
B
This
is
a
way
to
have
superior
materials,
but
you
save
in
the
cost,
by
the
space,
obviously,
and
in
the
space
limitations,
also
keep
inhibit
the
ability
of
this
home
skyrocketing
to
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
because
it's
in
a
very
desirable
location,
all
of
a
sudden
when
it's
built,
it
was
a
hip
sort
of
you
know,
cutting-edge
location,
let's
say
so:
it
wasn't
very
desirable.
Then
it
becomes
a
really
hot
area,
and
now
people
want
to
pay
a
whole
bunch
for
it.
Well,
not
if
it's
only
400
square
feet.
B
O
O
O
U
S
B
U
Okay,
just
quickly
for
tiny-house
appendix
s
like
I
said
we
would
reduce
the
minimum
square
footage
size
and,
like
I,
said
tiny,
tiny
house
appendix
s.
It's
based
off
the
2018
IRC
appendix
cube,
which
ideally,
the
state
will
adopt
in
2020.
The
state
locally
is
trying
to
get
ahead
of
that
and
have
some
stricter
regulations,
because
they're
adding
conditions
for
smoke
and
CO
detectors
like
you're
doing
residences
that
you
have
to
have
them
before
every
bedroom
before
you
go
into
those
and
the
maximum
Heights
on
lofts.
U
What
we
want
us
to
do
is
that,
if
on
that's
the
third
bullet
there,
the
maximum
height
is
five
feet.
We
don't
want
you
to
cheat
the
system
and
create
a
second
story
by
saying
that
loft
doesn't
have
a
max
height
so
with
that
max
height
you're,
not
cheating
and
creating
another
story.
So
that
also
helps
with
the
regulation
of
Heights
and
neighborhoods,
and
things
like
that.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they,
you
weren't
getting
around
that.
But,
like
I
said
all
the
appendices
to
building
code
must
be
adopted
by
City
Council.
U
So
that's
why
I'm
kind
of
bringing
it
to
you
now
because
I'm
the
state
brought
it
forward
to
us
at
the
state
level
to
say
that
we
can't
adopt
it,
but
I
did
want
to
get
your
thoughts
on
it
before
I,
just
brought
it
to
Council
and
said:
hey,
here's
the
first
adoption,
so
that's
kind
of
why
I
wanted
to
bring
work
session,
so
we
can
and
discuss
it
once
again.
You
can
see
the
one
on
the
left
has
wheels,
not
allowed
we're,
not
nothing
on
wheels.
U
You
kind
of
see
the
one
on
the
right
some
of
the
new
requirements
that
we
would
require
a
railing
across
the
top
of
that
one.
So
you
don't
roll
out
and
fall
down
to
the
bottom
floor
and
you
have
guardrails
all
the
way
up
the
stairs
things
like
that
will
be
a
part
of
the
code,
so
our
like
I
said
our
building
inspectors.
If
your
site
built
they'll
have
to
come
in
and
look
at
it
just
like,
we
would
look
at
any
other
building
rough
out
and
build
and
final
building
completion.
U
U
The
section
kind
of
about
on
existing
lines
is
that
the
tiny
house
would
be
considered
an
accessory
dwelling
if
it
meets
all
the
sections
of
three
to
nine
of
you
do,
which
is
my
next
slide,
and
once
again,
tiny
houses
only
apply
to
modular
and
site
build
houses.
So
the
guest
cottage
is
already
in
the
you
do.
U
So
the
intent
is
to
use
that
same
requirement
for
the
tiny
house
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
minimum
lot
size
of
that
principal
structure
has
to
be
an
acre,
so
it
won't
necessarily
be
more
in
our
denser
areas.
That
will
probably
be
a
little
bit.
You
know
on
the
outskirts,
people
that
have
that
acreage
to
be
able
to
do
it
at
this
time.
U
Zoning
districts
would
be
any
zone
that
meets
that
requirement
and
then
there's,
no,
you
can't
put
them
in
commercial
areas,
so
we
wouldn't
be
permitted
in
non
residential
area.
She's
seen
them
saying
stuff.
We
were
trying
to
make
it
into
an
ordinance
we
already
had
so
we're
not
like
I
said
everybody
can
build
a
tiny
house
everywhere.
It's
just
kind
of
right
now
we're
just
trying
to
see
kind
of
how
this
trend
goes.
U
I
said
right
now:
don't
the
only
intent
is
I
was
just
matching
it
to
the
existing.
You
do
why
they're
not
rented
any
of
those
accessory
dwellings,
so
we've
not
allowed
them
in
the
past,
but,
like
I
say,
if
somebody
has
an
accessory
structure
in
their
property,
we
don't
allow
them
to
sub
rent
it
if
they
qualify.
If,
if
they're
considered
a
guest
cottage,
we
go
out
there
and
deal
with
those
councillor,
Davis
I
know
we
had
one
in
a
neighborhood
in
your
district
that
we
dealt
with,
and
maybe
we.
U
Right,
yes,
this
is
a
like
I
said:
accessory
dwelling
is
a
detached
unit
on
that
property.
Typically,
in
a
garage
of
situations
like
that
they're
attached
to
the
main
his
grandfathered
in
they
were
attached
to
the
main
structure
or,
like
I
said
we
have
a
lot
of
guest
cottages
that
are
in
the
lake
bottom
district.
Like
I,
said
right
now
they
wouldn't
meet
the
requirements
right
now,
because
they
don't
have
the
acreage,
but
they
were
grandfathered
in
when
the
udl
was
adopted.
U
So
when
this
was
put
in
and
it
was
already
listed
that
they
were
not
allowed
for
rental
use.
So,
like
I
said
once
again,
that's
something
we
can
look
at
in
the
you
do.
If
you
so
desire,
like
I
said,
I
was
just
trying
to
like
I
said
I,
don't
want
to
kick
the
door
wide,
open,
I
kind
of
wanted
to
just
crack
it
open
and
see
kind
of
how
this
goes,
and
if
people
are
interested
we
get
calls.
K
R
U
R
Would
be
a
separate
code
amended
to
our
that's
true,
that's
correct!
Okay!
I,
like
this
better,
the
the
other
concern
I.
Had
you
there's
a
reference
to
where
they're
permitted
to
go
as
I
see
your
presentation
right
where
they're
way,
they're
permitted
what
what
is
at
Columbus
they
are
allowed
in
now,
right.
U
Now
that
would
be
any
all
residential
if
they
all
residential
period.
This
is
only
if
it
was
an
accessory
dwelling,
but
if
you
wanted
a
single
single
family
life
and
so
far
one
you
know
family
life,
you
could
build
ones.
That
is
you
can
consider
that
your
primary
structure
right
now
because
of
the
square
footage
is
it
would
fall
under
an
accessory
structure
and
you
can't
have
an
accessory
structure
as
your
primary
structure.
Okay,.
R
I
guess
my
concern:
I
I
can
see
someone
in
a
neighborhood
wanting
to
put
the
tiny
house
in
where
you
have
2,000
3,000
square
foot
homes,
and
so
we
start
getting
calls
from
the
sir
neighbors
not
wanting
that
there
due
to
property
values
and
that
kind
of
thing.
So
in
order
to
prevent
that,
would
you
take
a
look
at
maybe
some
restrictions
in
that
how
it
would
affect
existing
neighborhoods?
R
U
U
Mean,
like
I,
said:
that's
it.
You
know,
we've
been
I've
been
talking
to
planning
for
probably
a
year
or
so
about
this
and
trying
to
find
like
and
that's
what
I
was
trying
to
tell
before
it's
really
hard
to
get
a
place.
That
has
a
track
record
of
them,
because
there's
really
been
no
official
rules
put
down
as
to
disqualify
this
tiny
houses.
This
square
footage
makes
it
a
tiny
house,
and
these
requirements
now
make
you
a
tiny
house.
So
it's
hard
to
call
other
jurisdictions.
U
I've
actually
talked
to
DCA
and
we
would
probably
be
the
largest
city
if
we
adopted
anything
right
now.
I
think
Union,
County
and
another
county
has
done
it
already,
but
they're
counties,
and
so
it's
not
really
concentrated.
So
some
of
these
other
questions
about
urban
infill
and
things
like
that
really
wouldn't
cross
their
thing.
U
Typically
I've
talked
to
building
officials
in
Virginia
that
actually
do
have
it
on
the
books
and
I've
talked
to
some
in
upstate
New,
York
and
closer
to
New,
York
City
that
have
dealt
with
this
and
they're
getting
kind
of
mixed
reactions,
but
one
of
their
things
with
council
Thomas.
They
made
sure
that
it
was
no.
It
was
not
allowed
for
rental
use
because
they
want
that
person
to
own
that
property
and
be
a
part
of
it
as
opposed
to
a
transient
kind
of
housing,
people
in
and
out,
and
they
may
get
rundown.
U
So
when
I
talked
to
code
official
in
New
York,
that's
what
they
told
me,
and
also
in
Virginia,
Virginia,
they're,
half
and
half.
There
is
restrictions.
If
you
do
rent
it
has
to
be
in
this
this
this
zone,
but
in
other
places
you
have
to
be
the
outright
homeowner.
So
there's
different,
like
I
said
it
just
like
I,
said
I,
just
kind
of
want
to
bring
it
to
you
first
and
kind
of
see
which
direction
I
needed
to
go
before
we
brought
any
type
of
proposal
forth.
U
My
thing
is:
is
I
just
want
to
stay
as
close
to
the
state
requirements
as
possible?
So,
if
we're
doing
it,
if
the
state
is
doing
a
statewide,
I
just
wanted
to
bring
it
to
you
all
to
let
you
know
that
it
is
there
that
it
is
an
option,
but
not
necessarily
that
we
have
to
adopt
it,
because
it
is
an
appendix
what.
U
We
talked
to
them
and
and
I've
actually
talked
to
the
building
official
in
Walton
County
kind
of
close
to
Athens,
and
a
lot
of
them
are
looking
at
them
towards
for
college
use
like
for
college
kids,
you
have
those
smaller
structures,
because
you
know
they're
not
really
in
them
like
that.
They're
just
you
know,
in
sleeping
steadying,
move
that
what
what
are
the
uses.
U
R
H
U
H
U
U
So
if
you
just
want
to
buy
a
lot
and
put
a
house
on
it,
the
tiny
house
on
it
there
were
less.
You
met
all
the
setbacks
and
requirements
of
such
you
can
rebuild
it
now
on
an
accessory
light
as
an
accessory
use
on.
Yes,
you
have
to
want
to
a
crucible
requirement
right
now,
because
the
intent
would
be
to
consider
the
guest
cottage
cup
that
is
already
in
our
audience.
Okay,
all
right
good!
Thank
you.
I
L
L
I
think
that
you'd
really
have
to
look
at
that
aspect
of
rental
or
lease
or
whatever
I
think
when
you're
in
a
community
that
we've
got
a
significant
amount
of
rental
properties,
apartments
going
to
homes.
Things
like
that
that
this
would
really
you
know,
maybe
disrupt
our
community
I
think
like
councilor
Allen's,
the
value
of
properties
could
be
disrupted.
I
think
you'd
really
have
to
probably
look
at
maybe
tiny
house
communities,
or
it
would
definitely
be
a
zoning
issue
of
where
these
things
could
go.
L
Only
you
just
start
popping
them
up
everywhere
without
creating
some
some
kind
of
impact
problem.
I
think
design
standards
are
very,
very
important.
You
really
need
to
look
at
that
and
make
sure
that
the
stander
and
the
quality
is.
Is
there
or
else
you
do
start
having
some
of
these
problems
that
we're
dealing
with
them?
L
Having
to
tear
down
these
structures
now
they'll
rapidly
deteriorate,
and
especially
if
they're
they're
used
from
a
transient
standpoint,
but
I
do
think
that
you
know
the
design
and
quality
that's
see
on
the
right
places,
maybe
somewhat
communities
and
that
I
think
you
need
to
look
at
everything
from
green
space
and
things
of
that
aspect.
You
know
it's
a
it's
a
great
little
thing
to
have
social.
L
Specifically,
if
we're
going
to
do
that,
so
you
know-
and
there
may
be,
there
may
be
some
pushback
with
a
homebuilder,
so
you
may
want
to
go
to
the
Home
Builders
Association
and
talk
to
them
see
what
they
say.
I,
don't
see
that
being
a
problem
when
it's
more
of
a
community
or
it's
only
where
you
have
a
you
know
subdivision
so
to
speak,
I
think
even
at
that
you
need
there
needs
to
be
limitations
and
the
numbers
in
areas
throughout
throughout
Columbus.
L
So
those
are
just
some
comments,
off-the-cuff
that
that
I
would
have
dealing
with
dealing
with
these
tiny
homes.
I,
like
the
concept
I,
think
the
Millennials
the
younger
generation
is
really
into
it,
gives
them
an
opportunity
to
have
home.
Ownerships
importantly,
I
mean
that
really
is
important
and
significant
if
we're
going,
if
you're
going
to
have
a
tiny
house
community,
so
you
know
it's
hard
for
these
young
folks
to
make
a
living
today.
You
know
in
a
decent
wage
and
all
and
then
support
utilities
and
everything
else
that
goes
along
with
it.
L
And
you
know,
quite
frankly
you
there,
there
are
generations
that
are
becoming
more
minimalist,
that's
what
they
want
and
they
love
it.
You
know
and
they
love
their
social
spaces,
but
they
want
you
know
if
they
had
enough
small
space
or
fine
with
that.
So
you
know
I
think
that's
something
we
need
to.
We
need
to
explore
and
I
would
encourage
mayor
I
would
encourage
the
department
to
try
to
move
forward
with
something
and
work
on
it.
I
think
that's
what
you're
asking
us
right.
Let's
see
how
we
feel
about
it.
It's.
B
And
councillor
Davis
is
right
on
I
mean
you
know,
we
hear
so
much
about
these
kids
that
work
hard
and
graduate
from
wherever
and
then
they're
still
living
at
home,
in
basements
and
rooms,
and
and
that's
because
it's
$1,300
a
month
to
rent
or
you
know,
and
so
they
have
to
pack
it
with
roommates
or
whatever,
and
so
this
is
a
way
to
help
that
generation
get
out
and
on
their
own
as
they
want
to
do.
But
you're
right
and
what
I've,
read
and
heard
is
that
this
next
generation
is
much
more
mentalness.
B
L
B
We
get
young
kids
in
and
they
don't
have
the
same.
You
get
them
into
more
areas
that
are
in
transition.
They
don't
have
the
same
concerns
our
needs
about
schools
right,
so
you
can
bring
them
into
areas
that
maybe
have
been
suffering
from
distress
and
then
they
create
that
vibrancy.
That's
so
desperately
needed
in
that
area.
That
brings
in
other
local
retailers,
grocery
stores
and
things
of
that
nature,
because
your
populations
increasing
so
anyway.
I
U
Kind
of
talking
about
the
modular
home,
like
I,
said
it
would
be
inspected
by
the
DCA
DCA
puts
and
insignia
on
it.
So
then,
if
it
were
to
come
into
Columbus,
they
would
have
to
get
a
movie
permit.
They'd
have
to
pull
all
trade
permits
for
for
sewer
water
electrical,
and
then
we
would
do
a
building
permit
on
the
foundations
to
make
sure
it's
tied
down
correctly.
U
If
you
were
to
build
it
on
the
site
built
tiny
home,
you
just
building
it
your
you
know
your
cell
phone,
a
piece
of
property
you'd,
have
to
go
through
the
typical
residential
review
process.
So
we
review
it.
You
pull
your
permit.
You'd
have
to
pull
all
the
inspections
that
need
to
be
performed,
and
then
you
get
your
certificate
of
completion,
so
that
would
follow
in
the
same
residential
schedule
that
we
do
right
now
kind
of
how
we
mentioned.
U
In
conclusion,
just
trying
to
find
use
for
some
of
these
irregular
small
lights
we
may
have
in
the
city
to
make
them
attractive
for
redevelopment
and,
like
I,
said,
inspection
codes.
We
just
wanted
to
kind
of
be
ahead
of
the
trend
to
understand.
What's
going
on
what's
coming
and
like
I
said,
the
next
step
is
perceived
bringing
forward
and
ordinance
in
the
next
few
weeks.
It
could
be
months,
like
I,
said,
based
off
of
what
we
find
and
we
can
make
sure
we
bring
that
to
you.
K
U
That's
oh,
but
that's
a
modular,
so
it's
one
of
those
where
they
would
set
it
wherever
you
want
it,
but
they
you
know:
they've
got
a
whole
website
up
there
going
through
DCA
right
now
to
be
approved
as
a
builder,
and
then
they
would
approve
them,
and
you
tell
them
what
site
you
want
to
set
it
on
and
they'll
come
and
set
it.
So
on
average
they
run
up,
probably
between
twenty-five
and
thirty
thousand
to
construct
and
then,
like
I,
said
I'm
talking
to
a
few
contractors.
That's
your
big!
U
Your
big
return
on
profit
is
you
gotta
buy
the
property,
you
find
the
property
and
then
you're
putting
up.
You
know
thirty
thousand
worth
of
house
on
a
sixty
thousand.
Seventy
thousand
dollar
lot.
You
really!
You
know
so
a
lot
of
times.
That's
I
kind
of
had
one
builder
that
was
on
one
way
it
was
like
in
and
I
have
one
build
on
the
other
way.
U
That
was
somewhat
interested
depending
on
how
we,
how
we
zone
how
we
do
it
for
zoning
allowed
in
certain
areas,
but
I
know,
like
I,
said
that
is
the
highest
in
I
hadn't
seen
anyone
cost
much
more
than
that
one,
but
that'll
run
you
about
one
hundred
and
thirty
four
hundred
thirty-five
thousand
dollars
just
to
get
it
to
the
site.
So
that's
not
setting
and
anything
else.
That's
just
that!
B
M
V
Good
morning
we
will
try
to.
We
will
try
to
be
as
brief
we
possibly
can,
but
I
have
a
funny
feeling
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
lot
more
information
than
a
more
conversation
about
this
and
anything
else
right
now,
because
right
now
we
are
talking
about
personal
care
homes,
and
we
do
have
particular
cases
coming
before
you
now
in
doing
with
all
that
aspect
of
it.
So,
let's
me
try
to
go
through
this
I
want
to
explain
to
you
real
quickly
here.
V
Okay,
okay,
all
right!
Thank
you,
personal
care.
In
Columbus
there's
there
are
two
things
you
need
to
understand
about
personal
care,
I'm,
gonna,
I'm,
willing
insult
your
intelligence.
I'm
gonna
read
this
to
you,
so
you
make
sure
you
understand
it,
but
it
means
basically
the
for-profit
or
not-for-profit
provision
of
housing,
food
and
one
or
more
personal
services
on
a
fee
basis
by
two
or
more
adults
not
related
to
the
owner
or
operated
by
a
are
operated
by
blood
or
marriage.
That's
what
personal
care
means
in
Columbus,
it's
under
that's
some
of
the
you
do
now.
V
We
establish
that
definition.
Personal
care
services
means
that,
for
the
purposes
of
regulating
personal
care
facilities,
assistance
with
or
supervision
of,
essential
activities
of
daily
living,
such
as
eating
bathing
grooming
dressing
and
amatuer,
and
watching
and
the
supervision
of
self
administered,
medication
and
summer
services.
These
are
like
type
of
things
you
see
going
on,
hopefully
in
a
personal
care,
home
or
personal
care
service.
For
that
aspect
of
it,
that's
what
we
look
for
when
we
deal
with
the
you
do
on
a
daily
basis.
V
From
that
now,
seven
said
that
we
need
to
understand
that
there
really
are
three
different
classifications
of
personal
care
homes
in
Columbus
Georgia.
The
first
one
means
that
you
is
those
that
are
six
and
under
that
you
have
have
no
more
than
six
individuals.
You
know
you
know
in
a
house
or
building
whatever
you
want
to
call
for
that,
then
the
hen
may
or
may
not
be
disabled
and
excluding
staff
with
a
long-term
resident
family-like
setting.
That's
the
idea.
V
You
know
in
a
in
a
building
itself,
again
they
may
or
not,
may
or
may
not
be
disabled
and
with
again
its
idea
of
long-term
residential
family-like
setting
involved
with
that
personal
care
type,
3
means
19
or
more
that's
saying
the
same
situation
here,
but
it
costs
about
clients
that
are
aged
disabled
or
ill,
excluding
Hospital
clinics
and
similar
institutions
that
provide
medical
diagnosis
and
treatment
of
illness.
These
are
just
large-scale
personal
care
homes,
personal
care
operations
really
than
what
you
have
seen
in
a
single-family
residential
setting.
V
From
that
standpoint,
type
3
includes
the
convalescent
or
nursery
nursing
facility
providing
personal
care
of
medical
care
or
treatment
of
its
residents.
So
this
is
a
little
more
involved
in
terms
we
deal
with
on
a
tight
free
basis.
There
aren't
I,
say
this:
cuz
I'm
gonna
kind
of
dispel
this
rumor
in
just
a
second
here,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
type
3
operations
in
Columbus.
They
are
in
dealing
with
19
or
more
and
I'll.
V
Show
you
in
just
a
second
here
as
well:
type
2
and
type
3
are
not
allowed
really
in
single-family
residential
areas
and
I
will
show
you
to
that
to
that
effect
as
well.
But
these
are
the
three
classifications
we
look
at.
We
deal
with
personal
care
homes
and
Columbus.
These
are
the
the
classification
zoning
classifications
they
can
actually
go
into.
You
can
see
here
on
this
personal
care
really
is
allowed
anything
and
pretty
much
any
type
of
residential
area
itself,
including
an
RMF
one
and
RMF
two
area
itself.
V
From
that
standpoint,
in
doing
that,
you
get
a
personal
care
and
we're
gonna
talk
a
little
more
about
this
about
dealing
with
type
one
you
can
see.
They
are
permitted,
uses
we're
going
to
talk
about
that
just
again
in
a
little
more
detail.
Think
we
understand
what
that,
but
we
want
to
go
in
detail
and
let
you
know
exactly
combat
with
by
permitted
uses.
V
They
can
go
in
those
areas
if
their
zone
correct
and
for
that
to
happen,
and
then
personal
care
type.
Three
are
also
the
same
along
the
same
lines
here
involved
with
again
they're
in
the
RMF
one,
two
as
person
care
type
three
or
they
can
go
as
a
special
exception
in
the
RO
and
I'm
CUBAN
set
C
of
it
ro,
but
G
C
areas
as
well.
Let's
make
that
happen,
so
that's
where
they
are,
they
can
legally
go
today
in
the
community
as
a
whole.
V
There
are
also
two
other
things:
the
two
of
the
classifications
you
need
to
know
about
they're,
not
necessarily
involve
of
these,
but
they
are
called
traditional
housing
facilities,
type
warning,
ten
type.
Two
mostly
these
are
these:
are
our
areas
or
our
operations
that
really
provide
treatment,
therapy,
medical
care,
counseling
guidance
or
other
similar
assistance
for
former
current
and
current
user
and
abuse
of
addictive
or
controlled
substances,
including
legal
and
illegal
drugs
and
chemical
qahal,
tobacco
and
similar
substance.
There's
a
distinct
difference
between
a
traditional
housing
facility
and
a
personal
care.
V
V
It
gets
a
little
bit
goes
a
step
up
really
in
the
sense
that
these
are
folks
that
require
some
kind
of
some
type
of
judicial
or
correctional
control,
Direction
guidance
or
counseling,
including
nine,
include,
but
not
limited
to
the
following
categories:
work,
release,
programs
for
current
and
former
convicts
alternate
incarceration
and
correctional
programs
halfway,
housing,
pre-release
programs,
pre-screening
programs.
These
are
folks,
they're,
generally
involved
with
the
court
system
in
some
way
in
dealing
with
traditional
silly
hunting
type
to
so.
I.
Wanna
share
this
with
you
to
say
this.
V
There
is
a
distinct
difference
between
the
two.
You
have
personal
care
homes
which
are
primary,
providing
a
home
home-like
setting
to
these
folks
to
take
care
of
them.
They're
not
getting
involved,
though
with
things
like
therapy
and
medical
care
and
dealing
with
addictions
and
things
that,
like
the
traditional
house
and
facilities,
would
do
in
Columbus.
So
just
want
make
sure
we
understand
that
and
again
you'll
see
here
in
yellow
these
are
allowed
type
1a.
V
Traditional
housing
is
a
special
exception,
use
it
can
go
in
a
residential
multi-family
one
or
two,
and
it's
a
permitted
use
in
a
general
commercial
type.
Type.
Two
here
is
permitted
only
in
the
in
the
basic
of
manufacturing
I
like
manufacturing
areas.
So
we
have
that
we
have
that.
That
instance
one
time
that
we're
looking
at
someone
coming
in
with
a
type
2
and
they
were
going
into
a
light
manufacturing
area,
but
the
opposition
was
so
great
that
the
program
failed.
V
O
You
question
for
you
just
for
clarification
and
I,
don't
know
maybe
counselor
Davis
can
help
too.
So
in
the
in
the
question
that
came
about
that
we're
looking
at
all.
This
is
because
a
group
home
that
had
ten
young
men
in
it
instead
of
six
that
wouldn't
be
considered
in
a
personal
home
care,
because
if
they're
getting
counseling
or
anything
like
that,
that
would
become
a
transition
home.
Then
it.
V
O
Because
of
the
when
I'm
looking
at
it
in
thinking
and
that's
why
I
want
your
your
guidance,
the
personal
home
care
to
me
is
a
place
where
you
just
gonna
lay
your
head.
You
know
you
live
in.
You
eat
your
basic
medicine,
just
like
a
normal
home
right.
That's
how
I
look
at
a
personal
home
care,
but
in
this
one
here
in
SS
transitional
home
facility,
that's
basically
the
same,
except
they
have
other
programs
like
therapy.
They
have
counseling,
and
things
like
that.
Is
that
part
of
a
group
home
or
is
that.
V
Separate
for
the
most
part,
it
is
separate
if
they
meet
either
one
of
these
definitions
here
on
transitional
housing.
We
have
to
classify
them
as
such.
That
classification
understand
also
comes
about
when
they
make
that
application
to
us.
If
they're
telling
us
for
the
most
part
that
they're
not
doing
any
of
this
stuff,
they
more
they
more,
they
fit
more
into
a
personal
care
home.
Okay,.
O
V
I'll
say
that
and
say
this
at
the
same
time
that
when
we
may
go
out
there
and
review
it
or
we
get
a
complaint
about
it,
if
they're
not
meeting
the
criteria,
we
established
for
personal
care
homes
and
they
are
more
fitting
to
transitional
housing.
Didn't
they
have
to
stop
that
operation
out
there?
They
are
no
law.
There
are
in
violation
of
the
ordinance
at
that
point,
and
we
have
to
have
to
sign
up
for
that
with
that.
That
purpose.
Okay,.
O
V
There
we're
looking
at
we're
looking
at
facilities
that
really
just
accommodate
on
the
personal
care
again.
I
know
this
is
my
terminology
and
it's
somewhat
in
the
language
itself:
a
home
environment,
okay,
much
like
you've
seen
your
own
home
that
someone
come
to
make
sure
they're
adequate
taken
care
of
there
provide
a
place
to
sleep
place
to
eat
things
of
that
nature.
Okay,.
V
I
know
we're
not
going
to
resolve
everything
today:
I'm,
not
that's,
not
the
intent.
She
just
don't
let
off
with
this.
The
idea
here
today
is
to
give
you
an
overview,
a
primer
if
you
want
to
say
that
about
about
personal
care
homes,
what
we're
up
against
here!
The
key
out
of
here,
though,
is
this
thing
called
the
Fair
Housing
Act,
which
we
also
know
is
title
eight
of
the
Civil
Rights
Act
is
notes.
1968.
V
Of
course
you
understand
this
that
you
can't
discriminate
based
on
race,
color,
sex
religion,
things
of
that
nature,
and
that's
important
here
in
terms
particularly
in
terms
of
dealing
with
this
discrimination
idea
of
housing.
You
cannot
discriminate
on
for
housing.
Just
recall
someone
to
have
a
handicap
or
have
something
that's
going
on
there
in
their
personal
life.
Can't
just
can't
discriminate
based
on
that
on
that
matter,
and
then
it
stops
getting
about.
You
know
dealing
with
this
thing
about
banks
and
so
forth
about
there's
screaming
oratory
packs
or
it
gets
down
to.
V
Is
you
have
to
treat
everyone
equally
in
terms
of
providing
housing
opportunities
in
your
community?
That's
where
that's,
where
we
get
us
where
we
go
from
that
everything
we're
talking
about
here,
really
is
now
based
on
this
act.
Is
this
Fair
Housing
Act
returns
what
we're
dealing
with
back
in
January
of
2014?
V
Rather,
we
had
an
application
that
was
made
to
reduce
the
requirements,
from
special
exception
used
for
a
personal
care
home
from
a
thousand
feet
to
750
feet,
as
you
may
recall,
prior
to
that
time,
if
you
want
to
have
a
have
a
personal
care
home
of
six
or
lesson
in
this
community,
you
had
to
count
through
a
for
special
exception
use
and
we
do
special
exception
use.
That
means
we.
V
We
notify
everybody
generally
within
300
feet
of
that
surrounding
property,
and
if
it
warrants
we
may
go
further
than
that
out,
they
go
out
to
a
thousand
some
cases.
Well,
you
had
to
know
that
we
had
to
notify
property
owners
that
and
then,
with
the
requirement,
also
was
for
personal
care.
Home
connote
could
be
no
closer
than
a
thousand
feet
to
another.
Well,
we
had
it
had
an
issue
up
here
where
that
was
that.
V
Why
do
you
have
a
thousand
feet
and
things
that
nature
in
turn,
then
we
requested
an
opinion
from
the
City
Attorney's
Office
about
this
idea
of
a
thousand
thousand
feet
in
separation
and
ku.
We
maintain
it
and
ku.
We
go
forward
from
that
standpoint
from
that
back
in
February
of
that
same
year,
C
Attorney's
Office
issued
a
memo
I
believe
most
council
members
got
that
got
to
copy
this
as
well
and
its
goals
down
the
to
two
sentences
to
media.
V
In
that
in
that
memo
the
first
is
that
he
says
this
office
concludes
the
thousand
foot
separate
separate
space
to
a
requirement.
It's
like
young
unconstitutional
and
a
violation
of
the
Fair
Housing
Act,
which
should
be
removed
from
the
UDF
talking
about
this
idea
about
discrimination.
Now
about
we
were.
We
were
setting
up
standards
for
these
operations
that
were
different
from
others,
other
folks
within
a
single-family
residential
area.
Nobody
else
had
to
have
it
have
a
separation
for
anything
else.
V
We're
involved
with
that,
and
so
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
in
the
memo
goes
on
to
say
this
office
recommends
it's
removed
in.
You
do
and
should
not
be
applied
to
any
current
zoning
applicant
or
applicant
applicant
for
certificate
of
occupancy
for
a
personal
care
home
type.
One
personal
care
home
again
now
is
anything
six
or
less
and
go
primarily
in
any
residential
area.
We
have
zoning
wise
from
that
standpoint.
V
These
are
the
actual
requirements
now
for
a
personal
care,
home
type,
one
can
have
more
than
six
residents
in
the
home.
You
have.
You
know
if
you're
in
a
single-family
and
multi-family
residential
neighborhood
zoning
district,
the
character
that
building
cannot
be
changed,
you
got
to
be
got
to
maintain
to
it.
So
it
looks
like
a
single-family
residential
home
like
any
other
in
that
area.
You
cannot
overdo
that
signs.
V
You
got
to
comply
with
the
UDL
sign
ordinance
section
of
the
ordinance,
which
basically
says
you
can
only
have
a
small
sign
out
there
in
the
front
yard.
For
that
matter.
In
dealing
with
that,
and
then
compliance
you
got
to
comply
with
federal
state
and
local
laws
and
regulations.
This
is
what
we
deal
with
today.
This
is
what
the
criteria
you
look
at
in
terms
of
dealing
with
personal
care
type
homes.
V
From
that
standpoint,
I'll
be
honest,
we
isn't
it's
not
it's,
not
the
strongest
part
of
the
ordinance
we
have
aa,
but
it's
what
we
have
today
from
that
standpoint,
so
because
there's
no
longer
a
distance
requirement.
Now
for
the
for
these
personal
care
type
1
homes,
they're,
all
90
now
handed
out
handed
to
inspection
code
into
the
fire
department.
V
Inspection
codes,
we'll
get
it
because
the
state
now
requires
you
come
get
it
get
a
CO
stiphu
I
can
see
just
saying,
basically
at
your
rate
that
you
ready
to
go
out
into
various,
they
will
look
at
it
sign
off
on.
Basically,
fire
department
goes
and
make
sure
that
the
building's
actually
safe
for
someone
to
be
occupied.
From
from
that
standpoint,
as
I
said,
the
applications
have,
you
know,
have
been:
we've
been
very
swampland
for
the
most
part
in
dealing
with
that
court
inspection
codes,
we've
had
74
these
approved.
V
It's
right
abuse
since
2016,
the
74
of
these
personal
care
homes
is
so,
of
course,
the
complaints
in
the
neighborhoods
have
have
steadily
increased.
Their
complained.
Primary
and
I
know
they
can
pay
if
they
have
complained
to
you
as
well,
about
no
notifications
being
given,
we
didn't
know
this
is
going
to
show
up
in
our
neighborhood
and
the
other
thing
about
concerned
by
use
noise
and
traffic
and
other
other
similar
type
of
items
involved
with
it.
With
that
that
action
itself,
these
are
the
things
we're
dealing
with
from
that
aspect.
V
This
is
a
map
I
asked
for
from
inspection
codes.
This
maps
a
little
bit
misleading,
but
this
really
shows
that
the
location
really
of
personal
care
homes
in
Muskogee
County.
Today
there
are
some
over
200
locations
here,
I
say
it's
a
little
misleading
and
then
this
is
not
indicating
all
personal
care
home
one.
Only.
This
is
all
types
one,
two
and
three
that
we're
dealing
with.
V
So
you
have
location
for
two
and
location
for
three
director
Hutchison
and
his
team
is
putting
this
together
now
I'm,
trying
to
break
these
things
out
and
make
sure
that
they
marry
up.
But
what
the
state
has
and
what
we
have
make
sure
they're
all
legal.
Also,
that's
the
oh!
That's
the
other
objective
here.
You've
got
got
a
good
of
getting
a
handle
on
that
from
that
aspect
of
it.
This
is
what
we're
looking
at,
though
this
is
I
said.
We've
seen
our
share
of.
V
Some
of
these
communities
still
have
it
have
a
distance
separation,
like
I,
said
whatever
reason
they
still
have
it,
and
these
these
folks
that
are
trying
to
operate
these
things
realize
that
in
didn't
Silla
having
to
fight
that
battle
in
the
Atlanta
area
or
Savannah
Macon,
wherever
they're
coming
to
Columbus
and
they're
not
coming
to
Columbus
primarily
disservice,
just
the
folks
in
Columbus
they're,
actually
importing
folks
from
other
parts
of
the
state
to
Columbus.
For
that
reason,
so
where
do
we
go
from
here?
V
We
talked
about
last
last
council
meeting,
we're
asking
for
it
again
we're
ready
to
come
forward
with
it
at
the
next
council
meeting
itself
is
prepare
a
moratorium
by
ordinance
any
new
personal
care
home
for
next
220
days.
That
should
allow
us,
if
you'll
grants,
that
that
option
that
should
allow
us
to
go
back
and
redefine
what
personal
care
homes
are.
There
are
a
lot
of
things,
I
think
we
can
go
in
there
and
actually
be
fire
our
dance
up
and
make
it
a
little
more
a
little
bit
more
stronger
in
terms
of
we're.
V
Looking
for
from
personal
care
homes
established
better
requirements
for
these
personal
care
homes,
we
can
review
what
other
communities
are
doing,
not
only
in
Georgia
but
throughout
the
country
as
well
and
get
a
better
handling
or
what
we're
trying
to
achieve.
We
want
to
sit
down
and
talk
with
artisan,
some
of
the
states
and
the
state
departments
and
some
other
other
entities
about
what
the
requirements
really
are
and
how
we
go
about
monitoring
how
we
can
work
together
on
that,
at
the
request
of
councillor
Davis
I
have
reached
out
to
judge
Ken.
V
In
the
other
day-
and
we
had
a
good
conversation
about
it
and
he
is
willing
to
help
us
in
terms
of
being
a
facilitator
in
some
some
regards
about
bringing
some
parties
together
talk
through
some
of
these
issues
and
that's
what
we
want
to
try
and
do.
Of
course,
we
always
we're
looking
at
new
ways
of
how
we
go
back,
go
about
monitoring
this
and
getting
a
better
handle
on
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
here
as
a
community.
So
with
that
metameric
I.
Think
that
concludes
my
presentation
on
this
all.
R
V
There
used
to
be
a
time
where
zoning
ordinances,
not
just
Columbus
but
others,
had
a
strong
definition.
What
a
family
was
thinking
in
terms
of
that
way.
Have
you
read
elated
by
blood?
Have
you
this
and
that
and
so
forth?
The
courts
have
struck
that
down
many
years
ago
and
so
definition
of
family,
whatever
you
and
I
considered
to
be
family,
is
no
longer
the
case.
V
For
that
purpose,
we're
seeing
a
lot
a
lot
of
folks
that
I,
don't
know
you
I'm
gonna,
pick
on
poor
college
students
here
for
cut
work.
College
students
may
not
be
related
by
blood
that
actually
live
in
that
house.
They
go
to
school
I
understand
they
may
be
two
or
three
of
them
or
more,
and
so
that
that
idea
there's
no,
it's
not
definite.
Really,
it's
not
applicable
to
the
ideal,
be
a
multi-family
in
that
regard.
V
V
R
I
guess
I'm
struggling
with
the
concept
of
personal
care
versus
residence,
and-
and
this
is
talking
about
personal
care-
it's
not
talking
about
a
residence
and
what
your
what
you
just
described
as
I
understood
it
was
a
residence
or
an
apartment
or
a
dormitory
style
environment,
and
that's
not
what
this
is.
This
is
in
some
cases
you
have
medical
care
being
provided
and
with
that
to
get
into
the
the
disposal
of
some
type
of
medical
by-product.
R
That
could
be
dangerous
and
I
think
really
need
to
take
a
close
look
at
what
we're
creating
here,
I
think
you're.
Only
going
to
hear
we
are
only
gonna
hear
more
complaints
from
the
community
as
these
things
pop
up
I
see
a
sense
of
urgency
that
we
need
to
move
very
quickly.
I,
like
the
idea
of
the
moratorium.
I
think
we
need
to
I
would
like
to
vote
on
that
today.
R
V
Our
charge,
I
think,
is
clear.
We
need
to
come
up
with
a
better
idea
of
better
understanding
about
how
we're
going
to
deal
with
these
these
these
operations
and
how
we
can
you
know
how
we
can
make
them
still
accessible
to
the
community,
but
yet,
at
the
same
time,
don't
impact
the
very
neighborhood's
we're
trying
to
protect
and
that's
what
we're
up
against
I
think
more
anything
else.
V
R
More
thing,
as
anybody
looked
at
or
thought
about,
I'm
looking
at
the
income
of
a
typical
home
in
this
category,
with
the
the
idea
of
focusing
on
what
how
the
taxes
are
structured,
I
know
they
buy
groceries
all
that
tax
implication,
but
as
far
as
income
tax
or
those
kind
of
things,
what
what
practically
and
how
do
they
function?
Those
kind
of
things
is
there
a
separate
category
for
state
you
federally
and
whatever.
V
The
right
or
wrong
here
the
city
looks
at
looked
at
the
standpoint
about
is
it?
Is
it
illegal
use
going
into
a
narrow,
particular
area
where
the
area
may
be?
That's
pretty
much
the
extent
of
our
I
guess
our
Authority
has
been
looking
that
we
agree,
have
relied
back
on
the
state
to
actually
come
in
and
monitor
those
things
and
sign
off
on
them
and
say
yeah
there,
there
Alou,
good
use,
but
I
think
we
need
to
take
a
take.
V
An
additional
step
forward
on
this
now
understand
that
we
do
look
at
what
kind
of
what
kind
of
income
is
to
generating
how
these
things
that
you
paid
for
what
type
of
square
footages
or
these
operations
providing
for
our
they
providing
certain
safe
qualifications
for
these
individuals.
What
little
research
I've
done
so
far
and
staff
has
done.
We
know
that
there
the
state
does
establish
these,
but
my
concern
is
how
much
of
that
is
actually
being
enforced
if
you're
saying
that
you
got
to
have
I,
don't
know
60
or
70
square
feet
for
her
person?
V
How?
How
advanced
is
this
in
the
state
coming
forward?
And
looking
at
that,
we
look
at
it
again
from
a
safety
aspect
in
dealing
with
a
fire
and
building
codes,
and
things
of
that.
But
I
think
at
this
point
we're
looking
at
going
another
step
beyond
that
in
terms
of
looking
at
what
really
a
qualification
to
be
revived.
Make
sure
these
are
little
bold
establishments
when
it's
all
said
and
done,
and
that
they
really
can
be
a
can't
accommodate
what
they're
saying
they're
they're
trying
to
achieve.
R
V
R
B
J
No
word:
that's
on
the
14,
a
consol
away.
Do
it
it's
going
to
provide
a
moratorium
on
type
2
and
type
3
homes
that
require
a
special
exception,
use
approval
by
this
council.
As
Rick
is
explained,
you
cannot
prohibit
the
type
1
to
the
six
people
in
any
zoning
district,
and
now
there
is
one
I
think
it's
type,
two
that's
on
the
table
and
yes,
let's
see
the
attorney
back
there
today
that
that
moratorium
will
not
apply
to
that
application.
R
J
J
It's
it
talks
about
personal
care
homes.
It
doesn't
get
into
our
definition
with
different
cases.
We
looked
at
from
all
over
the
country.
That's
a
the
small
residential
personal
care
type
home
similar
to
ours.
You
cannot
put
in
spacing
requirements
or
requirements
that
treat
them
differently
from
any
other
single-family
residence.
You
just
can't
do
it.
Okay,.
K
Couple
of
things
mr.
Jones,
as
you're
looking
at
the
requirements
to
go
into
the
you,
do
I'd
like
for
you
to
take
a
look
at
if
we
need
to
make
any
differentiation
in
type
2
or
type
2
homes,
particularly
by
age.
You
know
if
the
if
the
people
in
this
type
2
home
are
12
and
under
you
have
to
do
these
kinds
of
things,
if
they're,
12
and
older,
you
have
to
do
these
kinds
of
things,
including
some.
You
were
talking
about
square
footage
requirements
and
some
of
those
kinds
of
things
as
I
understand
it.
V
Do
not
state
does
have
some
of
those
requirements
in
there
without
set-aside,
like
I,
said
the
square,
please
that
you
know
open
space.
You
have
provide
for
each
individual
that
you
require
to
a
certain
number
of
bathrooms.
With
that,
a
really
that's
real
quickly
that
you
know
you
couldn't
you
had
to
providing
them.
Basically,
a
living
room
area.
You
couldn't
just
you
couldn't
just
you
don't
spell
fear,
go
there
and
just
chop
the
the
building
up
and
put
nothing
but
put
beds
in
there.
V
K
Look
at
it
at
any
rate
and
I
know
that
I
had
a
conversation
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
with
the
fire
marshal
who
was
concerned
about
requirements
for
sprinklers.
Yes
in
these
homes,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
some
of
those
kinds
of
things
they
may
already
be
in
the
fire
code,
but
I'd
like
for
us
to
make
it
easy
for
someone
who
wants
to
put
one
of
these
homes
in
to
have
all
of
the
information
in
one
spot.
They
don't
have
to
go
to
the
planning
department
and
the
fire
department.
K
You
know,
let's,
let's
see
if
we
can't
get
it
all
together.
The
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
say,
I
saw
in
your
presentation
here
that
you
said
the
complaints
about
these
homes
has
increased.
In
my
neighborhood
appear
within
a
one
block
area.
There
are
two
type
1
homes.
I
would
not
know
that,
except
that
when
the
second
one
was
established,
some
of
the
neighbors
found
out
it
was
going
to
be
a
tight
one
home
with
six
adults
and
complained
today.
K
They've
been
in
existence,
I
guess
a
year
or
so
today
you
cannot
tell
that
that
residence
is
any
different
from
the
residents
next
door
to
it.
There
are
no
more
cars,
there's
no
more
traffic,
there's
no
more
anything,
and
so
I
would
hope
that,
as
we
are
looking
at
their
complaints
and
that
sort
of
thing
that
people
will
will
I
don't
know,
give
these
folks
a
chance.
As
I
said,
you
can't
tell
any
difference
in
this
home
and
in
other
homes
in
the
neighborhood.
So
just
wanted
to
add
that
to
the
conversation.
Thank
you
all.
L
Jones
I
think
it's
wise
and
slowing
down
and
looking
at
this
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
really
strike.
It's
not
I
mean
today
you
can
continue
in
a
personal
care
homes
with
the
limit
of
six.
That's
not
a
that's,
not
an
issue.
I
think
it's
trying
to
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
strike
a
balance
and
boundaries.
L
At
the
same
time,
and
with
the
goal
I
mean
we're
all
concerned
about
the
health
and
welfare
in
the
protection
of
these
children
and
we've
always
dealt
with
these
personal
care
homes,
mainly
and
primarily
with
adults,
and
now
this
request
is
come
as
open
the
door
to
a
lot
of
concerns
and
questions
and
issues
relating
to
children,
I
think
you're
you're
right
as
far
as
there
are
a
number
of
requirements
and
regulations
that
are
out
there.
It's
just
not
our
ordinance.
L
L
You
know
there's
been
concerns
in
residential
areas:
lots
themso,
cities,
I
do
know
that
this
is
just
something
that's
starting
to
happen.
Evidently,
it's
it's
a
it's
a
matter
that
more
and
more
people
are
getting
involved
and
they're
choosing
to
establish
these
care
facilities
in
neighborhoods.
So
therefore,
there's
a
that's
where
the
balance
comes
in
or
you
gotta
strike
a
balance
and
in
the
boundaries
as
well.
L
I
do
know
that
they're,
actually
that
their
ordinance
is
somewhat
mirrors
or
ours
mirror
theirs,
but
now
they're
creating
different
categories,
even
more
so
just
to
deal
with
the
the
youth
aspect,
and
you
know
North
Atlanta,
South
Atlanta,
some
of
these
places,
these
things
are
happening.
I
think
that
it
would
be
wise,
like
you
said,
to
take
time
to
look
at
some
of
this
and
how
they're
trying
to
strike
that
balance
as
well.
L
You
know
life
safety
like
councilor
Thomas,
said,
is
always
a
concern
when
you're
dealing
with
this
and
I
would
suspect
that
some
of
the
laws
that
are
already
out
there
and
rules
and
requirements
kind
of
limit
the
number
of
inhabitants
in
these
care
homes
as
well,
without
having
to
go
to
another
step,
whether
dealing
with
food
services
or
those
type
requirements
and
I'm
sure
there's
probably
some
space
requirements
per
individual
inhabitants
as
well.
So
I
think
it's
it's
wise.
L
If
we're
going
to
accept
these
requests,
you
know
and
we're
gonna
deal
with
these
requests,
then
we're
going
to
have
to
strike
that
balance
in
the
in
the
boundaries.
The
only
way
to
do
that
is
get
the
professionals
in
a
room,
get
the
people
that
know
how
this
works
and
what's
going
on,
and
try
to
find
out
what
we
need
to
do
to
make
sure
that
these
children
and
their
health,
their
welfare,
is
put
up
at
the
at
the
top
and
them
and
their
protection
as
a
as
a
priority.
L
What's
happened
to
children
because
of
the
oversee
the
oversight
is
such
a
challenge
in
this
state
currently
I
think
we're
being
challenged
again
at
the
area
locally
with
defects
you
know
trying
to
trying
to
meet
medians
there.
So
you
know
it's
only
the
right
thing
for
us
to
do.
On
our
end,
when
we're
asked
I'd
hate
for
something
to
happen,
we've
we
start
approving
these
requests.
Some
happens,
I
mean
the
guilt.
L
The
blame
is
on
our
hands,
so
we
need
to
work
together
with
all
these
people
to
make
sure
that
these
children
are
truly
that
that
again,
I
use
the
word
balance
and
boundaries
you
know
is
established
and
then
allow
people
to
to
minister
to
these
children
in
the
in
the
right
form
and
fashion.
Okay,
thank.
S
V
Sort
of
gonna
work
toward
that
go
to
council,
Davis
I
mean
that's
that's
our
objective
here
is
to
make
sure
we
can
have
something
that
really
does
govern
these
things
on,
where
they
go,
and
whether
how
they're
being
used
and
make
sure
we
can't
ensure
the
quality
of
how
they
win.
It's
all
said
and
done
so
that's
that's.
Our
main
objective
here
is
to
really
get
a
better
handle
on
what
these
things
are
impacting
the
community
of
neighborhoods
as
a
whole
and.
L
What
you
it
came
to
my
attention,
would
you
also
really
look
into
this
this?
Whatever
there
are
changes,
the
recent
changes
in
the
law
is
dealing
with.
I
know
it's
dealing
with
the
application
process.
It's
dealing
with
group
homes
as
dealing
with
homes
in
general
I
know,
there's
a
push
to
really
try
to
encourage
foster
care,
and
you
see
that
going
on
now,
there's
a
lot
of
programs
that
are
pushing
foster
care
with
families,
pushing
families
to
take
these.
These
hurt
and
children
are
troubled.
You
then
so
I,
don't
know
how
that
affects.
L
I've
heard
it's
having
an
effect
on
the
group
home
or
the
personal
care
side,
but
I
don't
know
yet
I
know
these
are
just
recent
laws
that
have
that
have
changed.
So
that's
something
that
plays
into
this
whole
matter
as
well,
so
maybe
the
City
Attorney's
Office
can
look
into
that.
Try
to
understand
it,
I'm
sure
the
court
system
probably
knows
about
it,
but
certainly
having
all
the
players
at
the
table.
Pops
you
know.
Even
the
medical
community
would
be
probably
a
good
thing
to
have
at
the
table
as
well
too,
to
to
discuss
this.
V
B
V
G
For
one
I'm
glad
that
we
are
thinking
about
initiate
a
moratorium,
so
many
conversations
over
the
years
that
we've
had
on
some
of
the
organization's
I
know
for
effective
this
state.
They
do
initiate
guidelines
initially
and
they
they're
doing
inspect
these
operations.
To,
unfortunately,
part
of
it
is
the
fact
that
there's
no
continual
maintenance
of
there's,
no
continual
inspections.
G
You
and
I
have
had
a
number
of
discussions
about
some
of
these
operations
where
they
were
somewhat
remiss
in
a
total
care
of
the
young
of
the
individuals
there
and
because
people
are
living
longer,
there's
going
to
be
more
of
an
increased
demand
for
operations
like
this.
So
it's
it's
it's
on
us
as
a
ruling
body
to
make
sure
that
we
protect
the
citizens
that
are
living
there.
So
I'm
kind
of
glad
that
we
are
proposing
a
moratorium
on
these
here.
H
V
It
lived
there.
No,
that's
that's
a
great
point
because
not
necessarily
they
may
have
16
divisions
there,
but
they
may
have
smite.
It
really
is
new
back
up.
It's
really
talking
about
six
individuals
who
actually
live.
Okay
in
the
site,
Oh
myself,
your
your
points,
well-taken
that
they
could
have
a
rotating
staff
in
their
account
every
eight
hours
or
whatever,
but
they
have
to
have
somebody
there
I
would
think
all
supervised
and
maintained
at
that
facility.
Okay,
all
right!
Thanks
all.
B
W
J
If,
when
it
comes
to
you,
you
can
put
in
as
a
condition
a
limit
between
7
and
18.
Of
course,
one
of
the
amendments
that
Rick
and
planning
are
considering
is
maybe
lower
in
that
number
down
to
15
7
to
15.
But
if
it
comes
to
you
as
a
special
exception
request,
you
may
lower
the
number
anywhere
in
that
range
as
a
condition
on.
L
Everything
you
have
to
go
through
so
there's
other
perimeters
are
there
that
just
completely
takes
out
a
picture
so
really
up
to
13
when
it
starts
at
13
and
then
I
think
even
at
9
or
you
know,
8
9
or
10
you're.
Looking
at
life
safety
issues,
you
know,
as
councillor
Thomas
talked
about
what
the
fire
department
stated
and
exits
things
of
that
nature.
Now
that
have
to
it
would
totally
change
the
structure
of
a
residential
home.
L
So
these
things
are
out
there
I,
don't
there's
a
lot
of
like
I,
said
requirements
and
regulations
that
are
out
there
and
it
may
be.
We
want
to
look
at
another
category
to
incorporate
all
this
to
find
that
balance
and
the
boundaries
you
know,
I'm
not
sure
what
these
other
communities
are
doing
it,
but
we're
not
the
only
ones
dealing
with
this
this
issue,
so
you
know
right
there
that
would
stop.
You
know
the
Linda.
Now
the
limit
would
be
7
to
13.
L
B
B
We
can
do
that
Oh,
fantastic,
okay,
great
well.
If
I
can
get
a
motion
then
to
enter
executive
session
a
motion.
Is
there
a
second
all
right,
all
those
in
favor?
Please
state
aye!
Okay,
if
you
would
please
we
are
adjourned
and
we
are
an
executive
session.
If
you
would
please
clear
the
room
and
personnel,
and
so
at
this
time
we
have
a
comment
from
councillor.
O
City
manager,
Lisa
Goodwin,
there's
a
meeting
this
evening
at
6
o'clock.
It
was
brought
to
my
attention
about
the
horse
and
carriage.
Yet
the
loss
can
I.
Please
get
a
copy
of
that
ordinance
that
draft
ordinance
so
that
I'm
there
and
prepare
for
that
meeting.
I
didn't
see
it
in
my
email,
but
I
was
speaking
to
someone
that
doesn't
mean
I
didn't
get
it.
She
was
there
sensei
email
but
I
was
speaking
to
someone
and
they
brought
it
to
my
attention
and
so
I
want
to
be
present.
O
But
I
would
like
to
look
over
the
drafts
so
that
I'm
prepared
any
questions
are
asked
of
me.
I'm
prepared
for
the
conversation
sounds
good,
okay,
goodness
and
Judy,
and
mr.
house,
because
y'all
at
large,
if
you
have
a
time
this
evening,
you
don't
have
anything
to
do
it's
at
the
loft
at
6
o'clock
and
it's
in
the
green
space.
I
guess
it
is
in
that
room.
They
have
up
there
and
it
is
to
discuss
a
draft
ordinance
about
the
horse
and
carriage.
So.