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A
Mayor
skip
henderson
city
manager,
isaiah
hugley
pops,
barnes
district,
one
glenn
davis,
district,
two
bruce
huff
district;
three
toyah
tucker
district,
four
charmaine
crabb
district;
five,
gary
allen,
mayor
pro
tem
and
district
six
mimi
woodson
district
7
walker,
garrett,
district
8,
judy
thomas
post
9
at
large
counselor
john
house
post
10
at
large
counselor
sandra
davis,
clerk
of
council
and
city
attorney;
clifton
fay,
columbus,
georgia.
This
is
your
city
council.
B
We
are
ready
for
our
may
17th
budget
committee
meeting.
We,
I
expect
more
of
our
counselors
to
be
here
this
morning.
They'll
be
coming
in
I'm
judy,
thomas
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
budget
committee,
and
we
have
what
looks
on
paper
to
be
a
short
agenda
that
may
or
may
not
prove
to
be
the
case.
I
want
us
to
hold
for
just
a
minute.
The
first
person
on
our
agenda
is
director
alexander,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
she's
she's
ready
to
do
are
you
leaving
miss
alexander.
C
B
B
The
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
an
item
that
has
been
that
was
requested
by
councillor
davis.
The
employee
retirement
plan
update
we've,
asked
director
alexander
to
bring
us
a
report
on
that
to
tell
us
status
of
that
and
how
we're
doing
and
all
of
those
things
that
are
connected
to
the
employee
retirement
plan.
So
madame
alexander
you're,
on.
D
Good
morning
madam
budget
chair
before
we
get
started
into
the
pension
plan
report
that
we
received
from
our
actuary
truck
car,
I
did
want
to
just
point
out.
There
is
a
revised
schedule
that
have
been
that
has
been
passed
out
to
you
all
regarding
the
budget
calendar
as
it
relates
to
the
advertisement
of
the
budget
which
will
advertise
on
june
7th
we'll
also
advertise
the
first
taxpayer
bill
of
rights.
D
D
The
second
taxpayer
bill
of
rights
will
be
that
evening,
still
in
the
council
chambers,
but
not
a
part
of
any
meeting,
but
we
welcome
any
taxpayers
to
come
out
at
6
00
pm
on
june
14
for
the
second
taxpayer
bill
of
rights.
Hearing
the
third
taxpayer
bill
of
rights
hearing
will
be
june
21st
at
9
00
a.m.
That's
part
of
a
call
council
meeting
because
we
typically
don't
meet
on
the
third
third
tuesday.
D
Also
during
that
meeting
for
the
21st,
we'll
have
the
second
reading
of
the
budget
ordinance
and
the
first
reading
of
the
millage
ordinance
and
then
on
the
28th.
Here
it
does
list
the
time
of
5
30..
D
I
was
sort
of
aware,
after
the
fact
that
there
is
a
conference
going
on
a
it's
either
accg
or
gma.
I'm
not,
I
can't
recall
which
one
specifically,
but
there
is
a
conference
going
on
that
ends
that
day.
So
you
know
I
do
believe
there
are
some
people
that
may
be
attending
that
conference,
so
the
5
30
p.m.
D
D
That
is
based
on
the
information
that
we
received
from
the
tax
assessor's
office
and
due
to
the
delay
in
the
notice
assessment
notices
going
out.
So
we
had
to
add
back
the
june
28
meeting.
It
would
have
typically
been
a
night
meeting,
so
it's
listed
here,
it's
5
30,
but
again,
council
can
most
certainly
choose
to
change
the
time.
For
that
meeting
date.
B
D
Okay,
so
sort
of
going
right
into
the
agenda
here
the
legal
size
document
that
you
have
again.
This
was
the
information
that
was
provided
to
us
by
our
actuary.
Our
pension
plan
actuary
mr
chuck
carr
you
he
from
as
you
can
see
from
this
document
at
the
top
of
the
document.
Is
it
lists
information
for
the
general
government
employees,
pension
plan
and
it
dates
back
for
and
it
runs
from
fy
23
back
to
fy13.
D
D
That
amount
is
about
4.6
million
dollars,
and
that
is
the
total
amount
for
all
contributors
to
include
the
columbus.
The
city
of
columbus,
the
airport,
muskogee
manor
hospital
authority,
the
columbus
waterworks,
are
all
included
in
that
general
employees,
pension
plan,
total
of
4.6
million,
and
you
can
see
right
below
that
number.
There
is
an
asset
performance.
D
In
terms
of
our
planned
performance,
so
we
saw
returns
of
about
26.35.
D
As
we
ended,
fy
21.,
and
so
there
is
a
lag
in
terms
of
the
valuation
date
for
the
that
the
actuary
utilizes
for
the
country
minimum
required
contributions.
It's
about
it.
So
when
we
ended
fy21
as
of
july,
1
is
when
he
did
the
valuation
for
our
fy23
budget,
so
that
is,
that
is
the
lag.
But
again
we
had
an
outstanding
year
last
year,
not
on
the
same
track
for
this
year.
There
is
a
little
footnote
here
at
the
bottom.
D
Our
current
fiscal
year
today,
asset
performance
performance
percentage
is
a
negative
5.79,
and
this
is
as
of
april
30
of
2022.
The
good
thing
in
terms
of
what
the
actuary
does
when
determining
our
minimum
required
contributions
is
that
he
uses
a
three-year
blended
average.
So
it's
not
just
what
our
returns
were
for
the
prior
year.
That
he's
utilizing
he's
utilizing
a
three-year
blended
average
in
terms
of
the
assumptions,
his
actuarial
assumptions
that
determines
the
minimum
required
contributions
that
we
have
to
make
towards
the
pension
plan.
D
So
I
mean
it's
really
sort
of
self-explanatory
here,
just
sort
of
below
that
for
the
general
government
employees
pension
plan,
it
lists
out
the
number
of
covered
members
as
of
fy
23,
which
is
to
the
the
column
to
the
far
left.
We
have
1599
active
employees
818
deferred
vested
members.
These
are
people
who
have
a
vested
interest
in
the
pension
plan,
but
not
retired.
D
retired
members
and
beneficiaries
currently
on
the
plan
is
not
as
of
fy
23
989
for
a
total
member
count
for
the
general
government,
employee
pension
of
3406
members,
so
right
below
that
total
member
count
is
the
funded
percentage
and
you'll
see
here
that
that
number
exceeds
100
as
of
fy23,
and
so
basically,
what
that
means
is
had
the
plan
dissolved
july
1
2021.
D
We
would
have
had
enough
and
we
had
enough
in
assets
to
cover
112
of
our
vested
benefits.
So
this
includes
the
retired
members
and
those
members
who
have
a
vested
interest
in
the
pension
plan.
So
obviously
this
number
changes
based
on
the
assets
that
we
have
as
of
the
end
of
each
fiscal
year,
like
I
said
the
market,
for
as
we
ended,
fy
21
was
awesome.
You
know
we
had
a
performance
there
last
year
over
26
percent
this
year,
not
so
great
as
of
april
30th,
2022.
B
I'm
looking
my
director
at
fy13
10
years
ago,
our
our
funded
balance
was
74.25.
B
B
Continue,
if
you
will,
I
just
wanted
to
draw
attention
to
the
last
10
years.
10
years
ago
we
were
definitely
in
the
red
zone
as
the
actuaries
call
it
that
if
something
were
to
happen,
we're
in
deep
trouble
at
74
percent
payout.
B
But
today
we
have
gotten
to
where
we
are
in
the
general
government
pay
plan
at
112
percent.
Good
job
go
ahead.
D
So,
as
you
mentioned,
madame
budget
chair,
we
do
have
a
separate
plan
for
our
public
safety
officers.
The
contributions
here
are
primarily
for
the
city
of
columbus.
This
covers
our
fire
fire
ems,
our
police
department,
our
sheriff's
office,
our
correctional
officers
at
the
prison.
There
is
a
small
allocation
for
the
airport
that
they
make
a
contribution
to.
D
They
do
have
their
own
police
fire
service
at
the
airport,
but,
as
you
can
see
here
in
terms
of
the
plant,
the
contributions
for
fy
23
for
the
columbus
and
the
airport
we're
right
at
8.9
million
dollars,
pretty
close
to
9
million
dollars.
That's
a
pretty
sizable
difference
from
the
general
government
plan,
which
was
at
4.6
million,
and
that
is
primarily
due
to
the
public
safety
plan
having
a
richer
benefit.
They
are
eligible
to
retire
sooner
than
the
general
government
employees.
D
D
B
And
again,
I
would
call
your
attention
to
fy13.
It
was
at
73
percent
and
we
are
now
over
100-
and
I
this
is
unusual
in
the
retirement
plan
world,
for
a
retirement
plan
to
be
fully
funded.
Most
retirement
plans
that
I'm
aware
of
are
somewhat
less
than
100
percent
funded,
and
so
this
is
a
good
showing
for
our
city,
employees.
E
Yes,
I
I
brought
this
matter
up
a
while
back
when
we
made
some
adjustments
to
supplementing
public
safety
pay.
There
were
some
conversations
about
our
general
government
about
the
employees
in
general
government,
and
then
you
look
at
where
we're
at
you
fast
forward
to
where
we're
at
today
and
I
think,
everybody's
starting
to
feel
the
impact
of
inflation.
The
cost
of
living
prices
are
going
up
left
and
right.
E
So
I'm
taking
a
look
at
this
from
a
standpoint
of
it
looks
like
our
plan
is
pretty
healthy
right
now,
so
the
question
would
be:
is
there
an
opportunity
to
make
an
adjustment
here
to
lower
the
contribution
in
order
the
whole
point?
It
would
be
on
a
temporary
basis
until
we
understand
if,
if
there
is
any
kind
of
impact,
I
think
the
city's
finances
is
in
such
a
good
position
now
that
if
there
is
an
impact
the
city
can
cover
it.
Just
like
we've
covered
our
health
care
plan
for
the
employees.
E
I
I
think
I
feel
like
it's
important
to
do
that,
because,
even
though
we
do
cost
of
living
increases
and
things
like
that
across
the
board,
those
things
are
taxable.
Those
things
the
employees
don't
really
see
the
total
benefit
of
of,
I
guess
ways
to
try
to
help
them
and
supplement
the
cost
of
living
increases,
and
in
this
case
reducing
the
contribution
is
a
hundred
percent
of
that
money
going
back
into
the
pocket
of
the
employees.
E
I
don't
think
it
would
be,
although
it
would
probably
be
a
question
of
doing
it
here
at
the
table.
I
think
the
right
way
to
do
it
is
in
the
form,
with
the
intent
to
put
an
ordinance
together
to
make
an
adjustment.
You
know
I
question:
can
we
go
from
eight
to
seven
percent?
Can
we
go
from
six
to
five
percent
and
still
you
know
there
wouldn't
be
a
major
impact
based
on
what
I'm
saying.
E
I
just
don't
see
that
impact
right
now,
but
I
see
a
temporary
opportunity
until
we
get
to
the
pay
plan
study
and
we're
able
to
implement
it
to
help
our
employees.
I
see
an
opportunity
to
bridge
this
gap
on
a
temporary
basis
if
we
have
to
go
back
and
make
adjustments
in
the
future
we'll
do
that.
I
think
the
employees
will
understand
it,
but
right
now
we're
in
unprecedented
times
I
mean
gas.
I
paid
four
dollars
a
gallon
for
gas
the
other
day.
E
I've
never
seen
them
four
dollars
in
columbus,
georgia,
I'm
just
telling
you,
unless
somebody
else
can
tell
me
they've
seen
it
four
dollars,
but
costs
are
going
up
left
and
right,
and
this
is
a
way
to
try
to
bridge
that
gap.
That's
what
I'm
seeing
it's
an
opportunity,
but
I
think
the
appropriate
way
would
be
to
make
the
request
that
it
goes
back
to
the
pension
review
board
and
let
them
go
through
that
process
and
evaluate
it.
E
I
I
would
like
to
see
us
make
an
adjustment
to
that
contribution,
so
it
would
put
more
money.
It
would
put
money
in
the
general
government
employees
pockets,
it
would
put
money
in
public
safety,
employees
pockets.
So
it's
something
you
can
do
and
I'm
looking
at
it
on
a
temporary
basis,
and
I
question
that.
Why
can't
we
do
that,
and
you
know
if
the
report
comes
back,
that
we
can
do
it
and
it's
decided
that
we
can
do
it.
E
Then
we
can
put
an
ordinance
together
and
and
move
forward
on
a
temporary
basis
until
we
see
the
total
impact
in
the
long
run.
I
don't
think
a
year
or
two
is
going
to
make
a
big
difference
on
affecting
the
retirement
plan.
If
it
does,
I
think
we
can
cover
the
contribution
and
make
that
adjustment
if
it
needs
to
if
there
needs
to
be
a
contribution
to
infuse
it,
but
I
just
don't
see
it
on
a
temporary
basis
and
then
moving
forward.
E
B
C
B
C
And
thank
you,
madam
budget
chair
and
certainly
councillor
davis.
We
can
do
exactly
what
you've
asked:
have
the
pension
board
to
take
a
look
analyze
and
make
a
recommendation
back
to
the
mayor
and
council.
C
C
We're
you
are
intentional
and-
and
you
know
I
I
sit
in
the
pension
board
meeting
with
with
that
group
I
mean
we
have
to
listen,
and
then
we
have
richard
swift,
swift
who
has
done
this
for
many
many
years
and
he
has
a
firm
that
he
works
for
behind
him,
and
so
I
think
certainly
and
then
we
use
chuck
carr.
C
You
know,
and
we
can
certainly
have
them,
look
and
and
make
a
recommendation
so.
F
I
was
just
going
to
add
and
ask
the
counselor,
because
I
I
mean
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
periodically
take
a
look
at
where
we
are
and
what
kind
of
impact
changing
the
contribution
level
would
have.
But
what
I
would
ask
is,
would
it
make
sense
at
this
time
if
we're
going
to
go
check
that
one
piece?
Let's
look
at
some
of
the
other
items
that
have
come
up
from
employees,
for
example,
some
are
paying
eight,
some
are
paying
six.
F
What
would
it
look
like
and
what
would
it
do
to
the
plan
if
we
levelized
that,
so
that
everybody
was
on
the
same
contribution
footing
so
to
speak?
Another
is
we
hear
a
lot,
particularly
from
public
safety
because
of
the
additional
toll
that
that
takes
on
those
individuals
evaluating
whether
or
not
there
can
be
an
earlier
retirement
age?
F
Some
have
even
asked
if
we
can
bump
up
the
the
total
payout
when
in
the
defined
benefit
plan.
So
I
mean
I'm.
This
is
in
the
form
of
a
question.
Would
would
you
like
the
pension
board
to
take
a
look
at
all
those?
F
It
would
take
a
little
more
time,
but
at
least
then
it'd
be
a
complete
look
at
the
best
way
to
provide
the
benefits
that
and,
as
you
pointed
out,
that
the
the
employees
appreciate,
because
they
all
a
lot
of
them,
will
have
different
ideas
about
the
best
way
to
approach
this
and
make
it
make
it
a
better
asset
for
them,
because
it
it's
a
good
plan.
It's
it's
funded.
F
E
Look,
I
think
the
goal
is
simple:
we're
just
trying
to
help
during
this
time
of
of
this
high
inflationary
period
we're
just
trying
to
help
okay
and
right
now
it's
an
approach
from
a
temporary
basis.
I
think
those
are
good
thoughts
and
good
ideas.
If
that's
what
employees
want
to
do.
I
I
know
when
we
started
this,
that
it
we
had
to
do
something
to.
E
I
don't
want
to
say
salvage,
but
I
mean
we
had
to
do
something
to
secure
and
protect
the
retirement
plan
for
for
our
employees
and
at
the
time
it
was
determined
that
those
who
work
prior
to
that
decision
paid
in
less
and
those
that
came
in
after
paid
more.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
that.
If
everybody
wants
to
do
six
down
the
middle,
I
mean
that
works
too.
It
doesn't
help
that
person
on
you
know
making
paying
six
right
now.
It's
not
gonna
help
that
person,
because
they're
gonna
continue
to
pay
the
same.
E
It
helps
the
other
person.
You
know
because
you're
really
giving
them
two
percent,
but
if
you
know
if
they
can
make
that
a
joke,
they
may
come
back
and
say
we
can
do
more.
I
I
don't
know
this
looks
like
pretty
good
numbers
right
here
and
it
looks
like
we
can
get
through
for
a
couple
years
on
a
temporary
basis.
Until
we
re-evaluate
I
mean
that's
what
I'm
looking
at,
but
and
with
the.
E
If
we
do
have
a
concern,
I
think
we
can
cover
it
with
a
contribution
on
temporary
basis
until
we
get
through
that
pay
plan
and
get
salaries
where
they
need
to
be.
That's,
that's
all
I'm
looking
at
this
is
unprecedented
times
right
now
and
it's
gonna.
I
you
know
it's
there's
questions
as
if
it's
gonna
get
worse,
you
know
and-
and
you
know
personally,
I
think
we're
heading
towards
a
recession
and
that's
not
gonna
be
good
for
anybody,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
do
something
with
the
goal
on
temporary
basis.
B
I
think
I
think
then
perhaps
without
objection
we
will
ask
the
mayor
and
the
city
manager
to
take
this
to
the
pension
board
and
be
sure
that
we're
talking
about
both
general
government
and
the
public
safety
plans
they're
two
separate
plans,
both
in
pretty
good
shape
at
this
point,
but
without
objection,
mr
mayor,
mr
city
manager,
if
you
would
do
that
and
then
bring
back
to
council
at
a
later
date,
the
recommendation
of
the
board
is
there
any
objection.
G
H
What
is
the
healthy
range
for
the
funded
percentage
like?
Will
it
get
to
the
point
where
it's
too
much
in
reserves
and
that
we
that
we're
holding
too
much.
D
I
D
And
so
as
the
market
changes
as
it
fluctuates
as
it
decreases,
then
this
funded
percentage
changes.
Okay,
another
factor
that
comes
into
play
here
is
the
cover
the
cost
of
our
payroll.
You
know
with
us
setting
aside
the
10
million
dollars.
D
Well
us
it
being
proposed
in
the
budget,
the
10
million
dollars
for
the
paying
compensation
plan
that
will
increase
the
covered
cost
of
our
payroll,
which
would
then
increase
the
amount
of
cash
that
we
need
to
contribute
towards
the
plan,
because
the
benefits
from
an
actuarial
standpoint
will
be
higher
because
salaries
are
higher,
so
this
number
is
fluid.
I
mean
I
think
you
know,
we've
had
this
conversation
with
our
actuary
chuck
carr,
you
know
it
being
in
the
80
percent
to
100
range
is,
you
know,
obviously,
is
good.
D
You
know
it
being
lower
than
that.
You
know.
There's
some.
You
know
obviously
some
things
that
you
may
have
to
do
to
increase
that
funded
percentage.
One
of
the
things-
and
I
know
the
pension
board
has
looked
at
this
several
times-
is
possibly
changing
the
actuarial
assumption.
D
The
rate
of
return
right
now
is
seven
percent,
and
that
was
part
of
the
reason
why
the
footnote
is
listed
here
in
terms
of
the
asset,
the
year-to-date
asset
performance,
it
being
the
negative
5.79
just
to
say
right
now,
based
on
the
three
year
average
we're
right
below
eight
percent,
so
last
year
was
outstanding
in
terms
of
the
asset
performance
being
over
the
26
percent
right
now,
with
it
being
less
than
a
whole
number,
you
know
three-year
blended
average
it
it's
under
just
under
eight
percent
right
now
that
we're
looking
at-
and
that
was
as
of
april-
and
we
have
may
and
june
to
go
in
terms
of
you
know
where
we'll
officially
land
for
fy
22..
B
B
However,
if
you
will
indulge
me
while
I
love
to
have
the
chief
of
police
sitting
in
the
audience
listening
to
us,
I
know
that
he
may
have
other
things
he
needs
to
be
doing,
and
I
wonder
if
we
could
pull
up
the
the
request
for
chief
blackman
and
his
staff
to
give
us
a
timeline
and
a
review
of
the
new
uniforms
and
equipment
chief
blackman.
If
you
would
do
that,
I
think
that
would
be
would
be
helpful.
Welcome
good
morning.
J
Budget
chair
and
all
the
council
members,
mr
mayor
city
manager,
so
my
presentation
this
morning
will
surround
be
surrounded
with
a
status
report
on
our
vehicles
as
well
as
our
uniforms.
J
The
space
in
those
dars
charges
are
very
limited
and,
of
course
we
we
know
we
cannot
make
changes
all
at
once,
and
so
after
careful
assessment
and
communication
with
our
city
attorney's
office,
we
were
able
to
to
get
our
officers
a
policy
in
place
where
we
permitted
officers
to
wear
facial
hair
under
certain
guidelines
and
then,
as
we
assembled
a
team
together
to
look
at
uniforms,
we
we
were
able
to
get
a
sample
uniform,
which
you'll
see
a
little
bit
later
on
in
the
presentation
we
were
able
to
get
a
sample
uniform,
so
we
had
some
officers,
wear
the
uniform
and
so
other
officers
will
be
able
to
see
those
uniforms
and
then
we
will
be
able
to
get
feedback
regarding
the
wear
of
the
uniform.
J
J
J
J
So
it's
important
to
know
that
this
vehicle,
actually,
we
were
able
to
get
this
vehicle
with
a
lower
cost,
because
the
white
paint
was
not
included
on
this
particular
vehicle
and
as
far
as
the
graphics
are
concerned,
we
are
in
the
contract
with
a
company
that
provides
graphics,
and
so
that
was
just
a
different
style
of
graphics.
But
and
our
officers
were
given
the
opportunity
to
vote
on
the
style,
the
graphics
that
that
they
wanted
to
see
on
the
vehicle
and
so
the
the
ones
that
receive
the
most
votes.
That's
the
graphic
style.
J
So
as
we
move
to
the
uniforms,
you
see
that
we
have
two
officers
here:
the
officers,
the
officer
on
the
far
left
and
the
far
right,
of
course,
is
the
same
officer
and
she's
wearing
the
the
current
uniform
when
we
will
be
transitioning
from
and
as
well
as
also
incentive,
and
you
notice,
with
these
officers,
their
utility
bill.
They
have
equipment
on
the
utility
bill
and
I'll
get
back.
J
J
J
J
This
is
the
ballistics
vest,
the
officers
will
be
wearing
and
they
will
have
the
discretion
to
wear
some
of
their
equipment
around
this
vest
on
the
upper
torso
instead
of
wearing
a
lot
of
equipment
as
they
are
currently
doing
on
the
waist,
and
when
officers
wear
a
lot
of
equipment
on
the
waist
over
the
course
of
time
on
some
officers,
it
tends
to
be
to
present
some
some
challenges
with
their
back
and
and
some
smaller
size.
Officers
are
really
really
challenged
to
wear
all
of
the
required
equipment.
J
But
with
this
odc
officers
will
be
able
to
distribute
evenly
the
weight
from
their
waist
to
the
upper
torso
and
not
have
all
of
the
weight
on
their
waist
so,
and
it
actually
is
one
of
those
pillars
that
I
talked
about
when
I
came
aboard
that
six
pillars
dealing
with
officer
safety
and
wellness.
So
this
gives
officers
an
opportunity
to
be
able
to
have
a
better
wear
of
their
equipment
and
then
the
shirt
you
see
next
to
it
is
the
shirt
that
will
be
worn
beneath
the
odc.
J
And
of
course
this
is
the
just
the
picture
from
the
website,
but
the
actual
odc
that
will
be
worn
will
have
the
our
police
identifiers
on
them,
just
like
the
officers
wearing
on
the
shirt,
the
various
police
identifiers,
with
the
nameplate
emblems
and
so
forth.
So
all
of
that
will
be
clearly
identifying
our
our
men
and
women
as
police
officers.
So
there
will
be
no
doubt
that
there
are
police
officers,
and
this
is
just
a
plain
model
view
from
the
online
picture.
I
J
Yes,
it
does,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
depth
of
chief
lance
deaton
is
here
today
in
the
audience
and
he's
over
the
bureau
that
that's
responsible
for
altering
our
equipment.
So
he
just
came
back
from
the
police
memorial
along
with
assistant
chief
kennedy
at
the
national
memorial
in
washington
d.c,
and
it
was
extremely
hot.
I
talked
to
him
after
the
ceremony
and
he
said
it
was
extremely
hot
that
day,
but
he
had
the
uniform
on
and
he
could
tell
a
noticeable
difference
between
wearing
the
current
uniform.
B
B
K
Good
morning,
good
morning,
chief,
you
look
very
nice
in
your
uniforms.
Thank
you
very
much
have
a
question
for
you.
You
mentioned
other
vehicles
and-
and
I
tend
to
agree
with
you,
because
I
get
frustrated
every
time-
I'm
driving
the
streets
of
columbus
and
see
a
vehicle,
that's
old.
I
asked
chief
one
and
ten.
I
asked
chief
warren
and
now
I'm
asking
you
we're
always
ordering
vehicles.
Why
do
we
still
have
vehicles
that
are
there
from
the
1970s?
K
I
mean
1990s
and
late
earl
80s.
If
we're
always
ordering
vehicles,
and
then
you
mentioned
the
fact,
the
size
you
give
us
the
information
on
how
big
I
remember
one
time
we
had
an
officer
and
he
was
really
tired
and
kind
of
healthy
and
we
had
to
order
a
special
vehicle
for
him.
Can
you
help
me
understand
that?
Because,
if
we're
always
ordering
vehicles,
why
are
those
old
vehicles
still
in
place.
J
And
and
forward,
and
so
it's
a
process
in
order
to
order
vehicles
and,
for
example
like
when
we
ordered
or
attempted
to
order
some
charges,
we
were
told
that
they
are
not
available.
Now
this
is
pandemic
is
not
just
which
we.
J
Pandemic
that
we're
in
but
supply
the
supply
chain
is,
is
greatly
affected,
and
so
some
in
the
production
of
vehicles
were
affected
as
well.
So
chargers
were
not
available
at
the
time.
We
were
attempting
to
place
an
order,
and,
and
so
because
of
the
process
over
the
years
it
takes
a
while
to
be
able
to
change
out
the
fleet
and
when
we
change
out
athlete,
as
I've
mentioned
earlier,
even
with
uniforms,
as
well
as
with
the
vehicles
we're
not
changing
the
entire
fleet
at
one
time.
K
I
J
I
K
J
Right
so
again,
vehicles
are
changed
based
on
their
criteria:
okay,
which
is
for
for
our
marked
vehicles
in
seven
years
or
over
a
hundred
thousand
miles,
and
so
once
that
criteria
is
met,
then
we're
able
to
change
out
a
vehicle.
K
J
K
Okay,
that's
what
I
wanted
to
know.
I
thought
white
paint
was
cheaper.
It's
not
it's
more
expensive.
J
Well
see
the
vehicles
is
my
understanding
that
the
vehicles
that
we
receive
they
come
with.
The
what's
referred
to
is
four
lk
blue,
and
so
the
white
paint
is
is
added
to
the
vehicle,
and
so
the
the
vendor
serves
that
out
and
there
was
an
increased
cost
for
that,
and
so
when
that
was
when
I
was
presented
with
that,
I
made
the
decision
to
to
not
have.
K
K
Know
that
that's
why
I'm
the
questions
I'm
asking
is
not
I'm
upset
or
complaining.
It's
just
lack
of
knowledge
and
I
just
want
to
get
a
better
understanding,
because
I
too,
you
know
I
I
feel
embarrassed
for
the
officer
driving
such
an
old.
You
know
car
when
and
then
I
get
a
little
frustrated
because
I
know
we're
always
ordering
vehicles.
So
it's
hard
for
me
to
comprehend.
K
Why
is
someone
still
in
the
old
vehicle?
So
that's
my
reason
for
asking
it's
nothing
negative!
Nothing
like
that!
It's
just
to
satisfy
my
frustration
on
why
I
see
that
because
sometimes
I'll
write
the
vehicle
number-
and
I
haven't
done
it
to
you
yet-
but
I've
done
it
to
t4
now
I'll
be
near
a
vehicle
and
I
see
it
old
and
I'll
snap
a
picture
of
it
and
send
it.
Why
is
this
car
out
here?
K
I
haven't
done
it
to
you
yet,
but
I
have
done
that
my
other
question,
but
I
think
isaiah
wants
to
relate
to
that.
Do
you
want
me
to
wait
before
I
ask
my
other
question?
Well,.
C
Why,
if
you
moving
away
from
that
budget
chair,
if
I
may,
but
but
to
the
white
paint
that
you
asked
about,
I
just
a
couple
of
things,
because
you
know
I
had
a
conversation
with
the
chief
and
that
when
that
vehicle
comes
and
that
color
blue
and
then
we
add
the
white
door,
paint
the
door
white
and
the
top
white
there's
an
expense.
I
believe.
C
That
when
he
goes
when
he
keeps
it
blue
and
and
he
does
not
paint
the
top
and
the
door
is
white,
he
doesn't
spend
that
sixteen
hundred
dollars.
J
As
a
matter
of
fact,
we
were
able
to
utilize
the
additional
funding
in
another
area
because
of
that
that
increase
in
the
decision
I
made
not
to
to
have
that
color,
then
we
were
able
to
move
towards
purchasing
the
first
year
tasers
as
we
upgraded
our
taser.
So
it
actually
made
the
money
stretch
further
by
not
putting
the
white
paint
on
the
vehicles.
C
And
then
the
second
point
I
wanted
to
make
madame
budget
chair
is
the
useful
life
of
the
vehicle
and
and
public
works
director
drew
short
who
was
promoted
a
few
months
ago,
was
the
fleet
manager
and,
and
they
assessed
vehicles
for
not
just
public
safety,
but
throughout
the
government
and
it's
based
on
age,
mileage
and
condition,
and
and
so
they
evaluate
all
those
vehicles
and-
and
then
I
guess,
the
final
point
I
wanted
to
make
is,
as
I
talked
to
the
chief
vehicles
that
were
ordered.
C
I
remember
when
rick
bourne
was
police
chief
and
they
couldn't
get
vehicles
either
and
he
would
come
and
he
would
say,
there's
12
vehicles
sitting
on
a
lot
in
atlanta
and
you
know,
and
we've
been
waiting
trying
to
get
vehicles
and
what
the
mayor
said-
and
you
know
I
concur-
we
told
them
to
go
get
them.
C
You
know
they're,
not
in
our
process,
but
we'd
rather
get
those
12
off
the
lights.
Some
lot
sitting
up
in
atlanta,
then
wait
another
10
months
or
12
months
to
get
12
vehicles,
because
our
officers
need
them
now
and
we
would
say,
go
get
them
and
and
rick
boyd
knows
that,
and
so,
but
the
chief
was
telling
me
that
vehicles
that
were
ordered
in
2019
before
he
became
chief.
J
K
That
that
the
no
it
wasn't-
I
don't
know
if
it
was
chief
born
or
the
fire
chief
told
me
that
some
vehicles
that
have
been
ordered
they're,
like
five
to
ten
years
behind
it,
could
take
three
to
four
years
the
longest
it
could
take
up
to
ten
years.
One.
K
Thank
you,
yes,
and-
and
I
knew
that
I
knew
that
I
just
I
couldn't
it
just
frustrating,
that's
it
because
I
just
care
about
our
public
safety,
and
I
don't
want.
I
want
them
to
drive
their
vehicle
with
pride.
You
know
not
like.
Oh.
I
don't
want
nobody
to
see
me
in
this
little
kadoo.
You
know
right.
J
C
B
B
You
can't
go
buy
a
new
car
just
you
know
it's
difficult
to
do
right
exactly.
J
We
are
now
in
the
process
of
adding
to
our
fleet
the
ford
explorer,
and
so
so
the
the
chargers,
the
the
crown
vics
the
tahoes.
We
see
a
bee
in
our
fleet
because
we
cannot
change
all
vehicles
at
one
time,
so
it
would
be
a
process
to
be
able
to
switch
the
vehicles
out.
So
we
have.
You
know,
I'm
very
appreciative
that
council
and
fy
22
approved
for
31
ford
explorers
and
and
actually
it
was
no.
J
We
were
trying
to
get
tahoes,
but
they
were
not
available,
so
we
had
to
get
the
explorers
and-
and
so
they
are
still
they
were
ordered-
fy
22,
but
there
we
still
have
some
that
are
trickling
in
and
that's
part
of
that
process.
Mr
city
manager
was
referring
to
they're
still
trickling
in
from
the
order
we
made
last
year.
I
K
Can
you
put
that
picture
back
up
if
you
can,
if
not
that's
fine
on
the
new
vest
here,
you
said
that
shirt
goes
under
there
and
then
they'll
have
their
shirt.
On
top
of
that,
no.
J
Okay,
the
the
vest
would
have
the
identifiers
on
it,
as
well
as
the
shirt
on
the
sleeves
okay,
the
patches
would
be
on
the
sleeves
and
then
the
vest
would
have
the
identifiers
as
well
on
the
vest.
So
the
officer
would
be
clearly
identified
as
a
police
officer.
K
Have
have
any
of
our
officers
already
tried.
This
news
vest
yes,.
J
K
Changes,
if
you
don't
mind
one
that's
set
up,
can
you
send
it
to
me,
I'm
just
curious
to
see
how
it
would
all
lay
out.
K
Yeah
I
like
to
see
what
it
would
look
like
to
see
how
comfortable
it
would
be
for
the
officer
that
was
it
and
again
it
wasn't
nothing
bad.
It's
just
knowledge
for
me
understanding.
You
know
why
and
you've
been
blessed.
I
haven't
seen
one
in
a
minute
there
and
remember
to
take
a
picture
of
it,
but
you
will
well.
C
Yeah
yeah,
I
mean
you
need
to
know
what
it
feels
like
for
an
officer
out
there
with
all
that
gear
on
and
they're
doing
their
job
they
get
into.
You
know
some
alter
physical
altercation
and
they've
got
to
wrestle
with
someone
and
they've
got
all
this
stuff
on.
Mr
chief
I'd
love
to
see
council
members
with
all
that
gear
on
and
just
let
them
get
a
feel
of
it
right
most.
J
I
L
He
forgot.
Thank
you,
madam
brother,
charles
wait
for
the
light
to
come
on,
but
you
asked
most
of
the
questions,
but
mr
city
manager.
I
agree,
I
think,
that's
a
good
idea.
We
ought
to
get
to
try
it
on
and
you
ought
to
bring
the
old
style
fully
loaded
utility
belt
and
then
the
vest.
So
we
can
see
the
difference
because
in
a
former
life
of
mine
I
had
to
wear
stuff
like
that
right
and
I
agree,
the
vest
is
a
great
idea
because
it
makes
the
equipment
much
easier
to
carry.
So
that's
good.
L
L
And
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
straight
about
the
explorers
is
the
goal
and
I
know
it's
a
process
and
it
will
take
years
to
make
it
happen.
But
it's
the
plan
to
replace
every
vehicle
with
an
explorer.
So
the
chargers
go
away
at
some
point
and
all
the
tahoes
go
away
at
some
point
as
we
have
the
time
and
the
money
and
the
supply
chain
cooperate.
So
we
go
to
all
explorers.
Is
that
correct?
That
would
be.
L
L
B
Other
comments
or
questions
counselor
tucker.
M
C
Well,
it's
a
vehicle
policy
and
I'd:
ask
director
drill
short
to
come
forward
and
share
that
with
you
and
and
most
of
it
like
the
federal
government.
You
know
for
buses,
you
know
they
typically
have
standards
for
vehicle,
a
passenger
vehicle
or
a
van
or
a
bus,
and-
and
I
know
just
from
my
days
at
metra-
you
know
it
was
always
five
years
a
hundred
thousand
miles,
whichever
comes
first,
but
just
because
you
get
five
years
or
a
hundred
thousand
miles.
N
Good
morning,
everyone
thank
you
for
having
me
here
this
morning
and
I
thank
the
chief
for
bringing
all
of
this
to
your
attention.
That
is
very
true.
We
do
have
a
vehicle
replacement
policy.
Currently
it
is
for
general
government,
it
is
120
000
miles
or
12
years.
Whichever
comes
first
for
public
safety,
it
is
a
hundred
thousand
miles
or
ten
years
whatever.
Whichever
comes
first,
please
know
that
with
your
pursuit
vehicles,
they
take
a
harder
beating
than
your
standard
general
government
vehicle.
N
In
my
opinion,
based
on
what
we've
been
paying
for
maintenance
of
those
vehicles,
so
there
are
a
number
of
factors
that
go
into
why
you
see
older
vehicles
in
the
fleet,
we're
trying
to
keep
him
in
transportation
for
the
most
part,
and
sometimes
it
takes
those
older
crown
vics
for
a
different
purpose
for
administrative
or
whatever
the
case
may
be.
In
order
for
him
to
keep
his
unit
going.
M
Okay,
I
have
one
more
question.
Yes,
in
reference
to
the
life
cycle
of
a
vehicle,
when
you
say,
let's
say,
for
instance,
the
pursuit
vehicles
when
we
send
them
and
I'm
not
sure
what
the
term
is.
But
you
know
now
we
have
a
lot
of
crown
vics
on
the
road
and
you
know
they
go
up
for
auction.
Does
that
money
get
recoup
back
into
the
city's
budget
when
we
auction
off
those
vehicles
like
what's
that
process
in
reference
to
our
budget,
I'm
going
to
defer
that.
C
C
You
know
I
come
through
on
cassidy
road
every
day
and
there's
a
blue
and
white
there
and
you
can
clearly
see
police
on
the
side,
and
I've
asked
them
to
ask
you,
through
the
vehicle
policy,
to
allow
the
city
manager
to
consider
other
options
for
auctioning
off
the
old
police
vehicles.
Since
you
brought
that
up
and.
C
Well,
it's
they
sent
me
something
last
night
this
morning
and
they
we're
going
to
be
bringing
that
back
to
you
and
not
just
that
one,
but
I've
seen
a
number
of
them
out
there
and
I
you
know
they've
been
behind
me
and
I
thought
it
was
police,
and
so
I
I
that
is,
you
know,
we
heard
you
and
then
I
saw
it
and
witnessed
it
and
experienced
it
for
myself
as
well.
So
we
wanted
to
do
something
about
it.
Yeah.
M
The
the
thing-
and
I
actually
a
citizen,
called
me
last
night
in
reference
to
this,
and
I
said:
we've
been
bringing
it
up
and
my
my
question
was:
does
the
cost
you
know
outweigh
the
us
bringing
in
the
money?
I
don't
know
how
much
money
we
get
off
the
auction
in
reference
to
the
police
cars,
but
they
have
become
a
nuisance
in
our
community
and
you
know
I
just
don't
see
the
cost
benefit
over
the
nuisance.
B
Dayton
would
you
join
chief
blackman
here
this
week
is
national
police
week
and,
as
the
chief
said
to
you,
I
understand.
Chief
deaton,
named
chief
kennedy,
went
to
washington
this
last
week
to
represent
columbus
police
department
at
the
memorial
service
in
d.c,
and
I
just
want
to
say
to
you
to
both
of
you
and
to
the
entire
police
force.
B
You
just
don't
know
how
much
we
appreciate
you
and
what
you
do
and
what
you
do
every
day,
some
of
you
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week.
I
know
that
you're
on
call
and
we
really
appreciate
our
public
service
employees,
not
only
our
police
department
but
our
sheriff's
office
and
the
others
who
keep
us
safe
in
this
community,
and
I
want
to
say
thank
you
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
columbus.
B
J
B
I
do
want
to
tell
the
counselors
councillor
garrett
is
attending
virtually
this
morning,
so
he
may
be
coming
forward.
Thank
you
so
much
to
the
chief
and
to
the
chiefs
for
being
here
and
being
glenn
councillor
davis
did
you
have.
E
Yeah,
mr
city
manager,
I
want
to
go
back
to
what
you
were
referring
to
a
minute
ago,
and
you
probably
know
this-
maybe
not,
I
don't
know,
but
there
are
companies
out
there
now
that
are
refurbishing
vehicles,
whether
they're
fire
trucks
or
police
cars,
and
things
like
that.
You
can
basically
they'll
buy
them
from
you
and
then
they
refurbish
them
and
then
sell
them
to
the
you
know
at
a
discounted
price
to
these
other
counties.
E
I
know
we
sometimes
trade,
not
well
not
trade,
but
we,
you
know
we
auction
or
we
help
out
other
places
and
things
or
donate
things
like
that.
But
there
are
companies
out
there
that
are,
you
know
that
are
buying
these
vehicles
and
trucks
and
things
refurbishing
them
and
then
turn
around
sell
them
at
a
discounted
price.
So
maybe
that's
something
we
can
look
into.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
councillor.
I
think
we
are
now
ready
for
the
next
item
on
the
agenda,
mr
city
manager
or
director.
C
You
madam
budget
chair
and
I
would
say
that
you
would
normally
see
deputy
city
manager
pam
hodge
up
here,
given
the
report
on
indigent
care.
But
you
have
me
today:
she
is
away,
I
believe
it's
her
20th,
25th
wedding
anniversary
or
something
and
it's
much
time
needed
away,
and
then
deputy
city
manager,
goodwin,
is
not
here.
C
June
30th
this
year
will
be
30
years
that
we've
been
in
in
this
agreement,
and
we,
the
agreement
based
on
the
1949
act,
said
three
meals
would
go
for
indigent
care
and
it's
per
that
act
and
that's
section:
seven
102
of
the
columbus
charter
and
in
order
for
us
to
move
forward
in
the
different
direction
that
we've
talked
about,
we
had
to
have
section
7102
of
the
charter
amended
in
order
to
change,
make
a
change
into
three
meals
for
indigent
care
and
that's
per
the
1949
act,
and
so
the
30-year
agreement
expires
on
june
30th
this
year
with
the
medical
center
hospital
authority,
and
you,
the
council,
approved
a
resolution.
C
As
you
know,
as
we
prepare
for
our
legislative
agenda,
you
approved
a
resolution
requesting
that
our
delegation
introduced
a
local
act
that
would
update
and
redefine
health
care
purposes
for
the
health
care
levy
of
up
to
three
meals
of
app
valorem
tax.
We
asked
the
delegation
to
go
forward
and
do
this,
and
so
in
october,
of
2021
on
october
12th,
you
passed
resolution
30
number
354,
354-21.
C
C
I
will
say
to
you
that
after
one
year
and
I'm
using
this
as
kind
of
a
period
but
one
year
of
the
new
indigent
care
approach
that
we've
brought
to
you
and
that
is
providing
service
to
indigent
persons,
we
will
be
in
a
better
position
to
know
whether
we
need
less
than
2.5
meals
or
leave
it
in
the
language
up
to
2.5
meals,
and
I
think
we'll
know
that
after
we
have
put
this
to
work
for
a
one
year
period
and-
and
I
say
that
I
think
we
simply
need
one
year
under
this
new
arrangement
to
be
certain
but
again
the
fiscal
year,
23
recommended
budget.
C
The
mayor's
recommended
budget
includes
two
up
to
2.5
meals,
or
it
says
2.5,
meals
of
avalorum
tax
for
indigent
care
purposes,
and
so
this
ad
valorem
tax,
if
adopted
by
you
in
this
budget,
that
you
will
be
voting
on
next
month
in
june.
If
adopted
would
be
included
in
the
tax
bill
due
october
1st,
you
know
we
get
to
40
and
then
in
december.
First
we
get
to
60.
C
Funds
will
not
be
available
for
distribution
until
october
of
2022,
because
that
first
quarter
we're
collecting
and
we
don't
make
any
disbursements.
C
Today,
three
meals
is
15
million
dollars
annually
over
a
30-year
period
from
5.5
for
three
meals
to
15
million,
and
that's
where
we
are,
and
madam
budget
chair
and
members
of
council,
that
is
where
we
are
with
indigent
care
and
that
energy
care
agreement
expires
june
30
of
this
year,
but
we're
working
it
we're
moving
it
and,
and
so
you'll
be
hearing
more
about
it.
B
Mr
city
manager,
when
you,
when
we
put
out
the
rfp,
will
we
put
out
a
an
rfp
for
a
a
major
or
a
central
body
such
as
piedmont
hospital
to
be
the
main
indigent
care,
but
these
others
can
hook
onto
it
or
will
it
be
each
one
of
those
would
have
a
separate
contract.
C
B
And
it
could
be
that,
for
example,
saint
francis
has
over
the
years
been
the
heart
hospital,
and
so,
if
you
have
an
indigent
care
person
with
a
heart
problem,
they
would
go
through
the
saint
francis,
not
through
one
of
the
other
entities.
Is
that
correct?
That's,
correct,
okay,
questions
of
the
city
manager,
ms
kram.
H
O
O
Well,
that
became
the
medical
center
and
the
medical
center
hospital
authority
through
the
years
you
know,
was
the
entity
running
that
operation
in
1992,
the
council
decided
by
a
6-4
vote
and
against
the
recommendation
of
the
city
attorney
at
the
time
to
enter
into
the
30-year
contract
for
indigent
care
and
prisoner
care
services,
and
so
that's
what
we've
been
operating
under
for
the
last
30
years,
which
was
a
a
one-sided
agreement
not
recommended
by
our
office.
But
you
know
it
was
what
it
was
and
that
is
going
to
expire
june
30th.
O
Now
the
city
will
have
a
chance
to
by
rfp
contract
with
any
number
of
entities
for
indigent
care,
prisoner
care,
mental
health
care,
whatever
the
city
feels
it
needs
it's
all
up
to
the
council
and
you'll
have
up
to
2.5
mills
in
this
year's
budget
to
contract
for
those
services
either
through
one
provider
or
several.
I.
O
H
C
H
F
Yeah,
obviously,
a
lot
of
folks
have
asked
about
that.
If
we
reduce
the
millage
that
is
being
paid
for
the
energy
care,
can
we
put
that
back
into
the
general
fund?
Well,
you
you
really
can't,
because
we
have
a
nine
mil
cap
that
we're
already
bumping
up
against.
So
we
can't
add
another
half
mil
of
operations
through
the
to
the
through
the
general
fund.
Now
it
can
go
into
another
fund,
such
as
paving
sewer
or
debt
service.
F
Now
we
just
incurred
some
debt
in
trying
to
solve
some
of
our
challenges
with
moving
into
a
new
general
government
building
and
the
debt
there
is
going
to
be
around
a
half
a
mill,
so
this
will
allow
us
to
keep
our
transaction
as
we
talked
about
in
the
very
beginning,
with
with
purchasing
the
building
in
uptown
revenue
neutral
for
for
our
taxpayers.
F
So
the
half,
a
mill
that
will
not
be
utilized
for
indigent
care,
will
instead
be
applied
to
our
debt
service
fund
to
retire
the
bonds
that
were
issued
so
that
we
could
complete
the
purchase
to
relocate
the
general
government.
So
it
was
really,
I
think,
our
finance
staff
and
our
staff
did
a
great
job
in
identifying
ways
to
solve
some
issues
that
we've
got
with
space
and
do
so
without
impacting
our
taxpayers.
From
from
what
they've
been
paying.
H
D
H
B
D
H
C
Well,
and
let
me
just
say,
counselor.
C
We
could
we
could,
I
don't
see
drill
short
still
back
there,
but
for
public
safety
we
could
probably
purchase
300
cars
if
we
had
the
cash
on
hand
like
right
now.
We
just
go
ahead
and
order
them.
C
C
C
I
I
don't
know
the
exact
number,
but
my
point
is:
we
got
a
lot
to
do
in
operations,
parts
and
wrecks
still
need
mores
and
and
public
works
they
need
mowers
and
so,
and
so
when
we
get
a
better
interest
rate
and
and
we're
able
to
allow
money
to
go
into
reserve,
then
we
come
back
to
you
with
critical
needs
and
we
start
spending
money
out
of
reserve
trying
to
play
catch
up
right
now.
Parks
and
rec
need
a
lot
need.
Mores,
public
works
need
mores.
C
H
Of
in
in
the
way,
I'm
thinking
and
just
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
the
way,
I'm
thinking
the
way
you're
talking
in
the
way
I'm
thinking
is.
Why
are
we
spending
this
money
in
debt
service
when
we
have
such
a
good
interest
rate,
when
we
have
so
many
other
needs
throughout
the
government
that
we
could
possibly
use
it
on?
What.
D
Can
I
just
say
we
issue
25-year
bonds,
so
the
debt
service
millage
needed
to
be
has
to
be
increased
to
cover
the
debt
service
payments
related
to
those
25-year
bonds
that
we
issue
for
the
new
city
hall.
C
So
yeah
I
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
moving
parts
and
and
and
there
is
just
a
lot
going
on-
and
I
think
your
questions
are
good
questions
but
yeah.
I
just
I
wanted
you
to
be
clear
that
we
have
so
many
needs
to
include
rope
projects
in
and-
and
I
know
that
we
want
to
do
something
always
for
citizens
and
and-
and
you
know
I
said
at
the
last
meeting-
that
we
have
not
had
a
millage
increase
on
citizens
since
2008
no
millage
increase
to
citizens
since
2018
have.
C
E
I
remember
back
when
we
were
in
the
fall
of
the
freeze
matter
that
was
happening
throughout
the
city
and
there
was
a
vote
taken
on
that.
We
talked
about
ways
to
decrease
the
millage,
and
actually
that
was
one
of
the.
I
guess.
Ideas
or
thoughts
behind
thought
of
freeze
is
that
it
would
reduce
a
millage.
I
you
know
respectfully.
I
disagreed
with
that
and
we
are
where
we're
at
today,
but
we've
talked
my
point.
E
Is
we
we've
talked
about
ways
to
reduce
the
millage,
we
really
haven't
reduced
the
millage
and
we
haven't
raised
the
millage
okay.
If
anybody
just
hair
may
be
debt
service
or
whatever,
but
no
we
haven't
raised
the
millage.
I
think
what
I've
been
asking
for
in
this
is
the
options.
What
other
options
do
we
have?
What
I
hear
is
I
hear
the
administration
telling
the
council
what
they
would
like
to
do
with
the
money,
but
I
don't
completely
understand
all
the
options.
E
Today
I
heard
I
know
you
can
use
it
on
debt
service
to
retire
debt
service.
I
know
you
can
now
you
can
use
it
on
paving
and
sewer,
but
is
the
reality
as
a
yes
or
no
that
it.
You
could
essentially
roll
back
the
millage
you're,
not
increasing
the
millage
you'd
roll,
it
back
to
decrease
it.
So
then,
technically
you
could
lower
property
taxes
and
then
in
the
future
you
could,
you
know,
figure
out
if
you
need
to
increase
the
millage
again.
Am
I
am
I
right
on
it?
E
C
I
O
C
E
I
think
we've
gained
over
the
years,
because
the
citizens
been
very
gracious
in
allowing
us
to
have
pennies
to
run
our
operations
and
do
things
that
we've
never
been
able
to
do
and
that's
been
a
blessing.
It
has
been
a
blessing,
so
we
cannot,
under
you
know
undervalue
that
and
just
look.
This
is
pure
100
property
tax
is
what
we're
talking
about.
So
I'm
just
looking
for
the
options.
That's
all
so
you
could
roll
back
the
millage,
you
could
retire.
Debt
service
or
you
could
utilize
it
in
the
paving
or
sewer
fund
right.
C
L
E
At
the
referrals
I
mean
I've
asked
for
a
while
now,
and
I
said
that,
because
we're
in
the
budget
session
now,
the
council
needs
to
understand.
I
think
the
council.
What
they're
hearing
is
that
we
can
only
use
it
for
indigent
care,
that's
what
we're
being
told,
but
that's
not
the
reality
of
it.
No,
that's
not
what
we,
because
we've
already.
C
E
C
O
F
I
F
Increase
you
asked
for
the
options
I'm
giving
you
the
options.
Yes,
yeah.
The
only
option
that
doesn't
exist
is
being
able
to
utilize
if
we
saved.
If
we
went
to
two
and
a
half
meals
on
indigent
care,
that
half
milk,
the
only
restriction
is,
it
cannot
go
into
the
general
fund
for
spending
more
money
which
would
be
an
increase,
a
decrease
in
one,
but
an
increase
in
the
other,
so
it'd
still
be
net
neutral.
But
you
could
use
that
to
go
into
one
of
the
other.
F
Funds,
whether
it's
like
you
know,
debt
service
is
going
up
by
half
a
mill
because
of
the
bonds
that
were
issued.
So
we,
I
think
staff,
saw
this
as
an
opportunity
to
keep
the
total
out-of-pocket
costs
for
the
taxpayers
level
by
moving
the
one-half
mill
from
the
energy
care
into
the
debt
service.
That
way,
there'd
be
no
increase
to
the
taxpayers
in
the
debt
servicing,
but
you
do
have
as
an
option.
You
could
reduce
the
indigent
care
even
more,
and
then
you
could
either
roll
that
back.
F
You
could
put
it
in
a
sewer
fund
in
the
paving
fund
you
wouldn't
need
to
put
in
the
debt
service
fund
because
there's
no
been
no
debt
issued.
That
is
requiring
a
a
an
offset
on
the
millage.
So
those
are
your
options,
but
if,
if
if
you
wanted
to,
for
example,
roll
back,
it's
really
semantics,
because
if
we
said
we're
going
to
take
that
half
a
mil
and
just
give
it
back
to
the
to
the
taxpayers,
we
could
do
that.
But
there'd
also
be
that
bump
increasing
debt
debt
service
by
half
a
mill.
E
E
E
You
could
use
it
to
continue
to
service
debt.
You
can
use
it,
you
can
roll
back
the
millage,
which
is
a
decrease,
and
it's
just
you
know
it
would
be
giving
it
back
to
the
citizens
or
you
can
put
it
in
the
paving
fund
or
sewer
fund.
Those
are
the
four
areas.
That's
all
I'm
asking
that's
what
I've
been
asking
yeah,
okay,.
E
I'm
not
opposed
to
the
idea
of
using
it
somewhat
as
a
grant
fund
to
support
non-profits
and
entities
out
in
the
community
that
are
providing
services.
Okay-
and
let
me
say
another
thing
too:
I
think
that
further
on,
as
we
have
this
conversation,
I
was
told
by
some
millennials
and
some
people
that
work
with
the
underprivileged
that
we
need
to
get
away
from
that
term
in
agent
care
we
really
do
and
they
said
we
really
need
to
talk
about
using
the
word
underserved.
E
There's
a
lot
of
connotations:
there's
a
lot
of
compensating
to
that
term
in
agent
care,
the
the
people
who
fit
that
category,
don't
like
it
and
it
it's
it,
there's
a
stigma
to
it.
So
you
know
I'm
just
going
to
present
that
as
a
people
have
told
me,
we
need
to
get
away
from
that
and
say
underserved
people.
E
I
don't
think
it's
wise
to
utilize
all
this
money
in
one
area.
I
you
know
I
struggle
with
that.
I
think
that
we
have
an
opportunity
to
eliminate
debt,
which
is
equally
good
as
rolling
the
millage
back.
It's
still
helping
the
taxpayers
out.
We've
go
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
debt
out
there.
We've
got
debt.
Now,
we've
got
bonds
that
we
could
service.
E
You
know,
essentially,
you
could
roll
back
the
debt
service
on
your
property
tax
bill
which
would
help
the
individual
homeowners.
E
But
if
you
want
to
keep
that,
I
I
think
that
you
know
we
need
to
really
focus
on
meeting
those
challenges
and
I'm
concerned
about
utilizing
all
these
funds,
because
once
you
do
it,
there's
no
turning
back
and
that's
my
concern
here
with
all
that
we
have
on
the
horizon
and
I
think
it's
wise
to
take
a
portion
of
that
money
and
set
it
aside
to
start
dealing
with
some
of
those
challenges
versus.
Do
you
like
taking
a
hundred
percent
of
it
and
using
it
in
just
one
area.
E
That's
being
stated
now
well,
and
you
know
I
I
mean
I
don't
know
how
my
colleagues
feel
about
that.
But
you
know
what's
being
presented
to
us
in
this
budget.
Is
we're
going
to
take
12.5
million
dollars
and
we're
going
to
start
taking
rfps?
E
Doing
a
lot
of
things
with
with
these
new
buildings
and
new
structures
and
what's
being
put
before
us,
and
we
we've
got
to
utilize
a
strategy
to
deal
with
that.
That's
what
I'm
saying
this
city
manager.
Last
time
we
talked.
I
said
you
need
to
look
at
all
your
revenue
streams,
and
this
is
one
of
them
that
can
be
used
on
debt
service.
C
Well,
and
let
me
just
say
counselors,
we
we
look
at
this
on
a
regular
basis
and
and-
and
I
I
said
in
my
remarks-
that
you
know
yeah
we're
going
to
do
rfps,
you
know
because
you
have
12
and
a
half
million
dollars
does
not
mean
you're
going
to
spend
12
and
a
half
million
dollars.
You
also
heard
me
say
that
we're
going
to
have
a
higher
greater
level
of
oversight,
accountability.
C
You
know,
unlike
the
past
30
years,
we're
going
to
be
putting
our
eyes
on
documents
as
as
they
come
in
from
these
agencies,
the
various
agencies
and
and
we're
going
to
scrutinize-
and
you
know
in
some
cases
we're
going
to
have
be
able
to
compare
notes.
I
mean,
if
one
hospital
does
this
and
another
high
school,
that
you
know
they
do
that
same
thing
and
one
comes
in
at
25
million
and
another
comes
in
at
75
million.
C
F
F
And
to
your
point,
I
think
we
can
do
something
very
similar
to
what
you're
talking
about
because
of
the
increased
accountability
by
shorter
terms
and
renewable
contracts.
It
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
evaluate
not
just
the
not
just
the
healthcare
delivery,
but
it
also
gets
us
gives
us
a
chance
to
monitor.
What's
going
on
and
some
of
these
other
funds
that
might
be
eligible
for
some
of
that
millage
if
it
were
ever
to
be
shifted.
So
there
is
going
to
be
an
ongoing
accountability.
It'll
be
an
ongoing
assessment.
F
You
know
we're
not
going
to
have
a
30-year
contract
where
we
look
at
it.
You
know
a
hundred
years
from
now
or
whatever,
but
we
will.
We
will
be
able
to
try
to
take
a
look
at
these
on
an
annual
basis
and
see
if
there
is
any
of
these
needs,
that
you're
talking
about
and
and
then
it's
a
council
decision
as
to
whether
or
not
that
money
is
is
utilized
for
that.
C
Yeah
and
and
during
the
course
of
a
one-year
agreement,
if
we
have
questions
and
concerns
that
can't
be
answered,
and
we
can't
be
satisfied
after
that
one
year
I
mean
we
can
look
at
other
options
that
you
know.
We
don't
use
that
vendor
anymore.
We
we're
in
control
and
and
that's
what
I
look
forward
to
well.
E
As
we
work
through
this,
I
guess
what
what
I'm
concerned
about
is
over
the
years
as
a
council
representative,
many
people
have
come
to
me
and
asked
me
how
we're
going
to
deal
with
this
situation
that
we're
in
once
the
30-year
contract
expires,
how
you
going
to
deal
with
it
and
you
know
I've.
I've
heard
those
questions
and
concerns,
and
you
know
I
I
think
it's
important
as
a
council
representative
that
that
I
reflect
that
and
the
only
way
I
can
do
it
is
to
to
have
a
vote
right
now.
E
Well,
we've
already
used
0.5
on
debt
service
yeah.
I
would
like
to
take
one
meal
which
would
equate
to
half
of
the
15
million
and
one
meal
to
be
earmarked
for
debt
service
or
paving
whatever
to
be
put
set
aside
and
then
the
other
1.5
mil
to
be
used
on
the
indigent
care
and
health
services.
With
this
new
proposal
that
you're
talking
about,
I
I
think
that's
the
right
way
to
do
it
as
well.
E
C
E
E
D
Well,
can
I
just
make
a
point,
I'm
not
sure-
and
I'm
going
to
have
to
get
some
guidance
from
the
city
attorney
on
this,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
we
can
assess
millage
for
debt
service
if
we
don't
have
any
obligations,
so
the
obligations
that
we
currently
have
in
terms
of
the
bonds
that
we've
issued
point.
Eight
three
meals
covers
the
principal
and
interest
payments
on
those
obligations.
O
G
B
B
O
C
C
E
E
B
I
B
P
Thank
you
ma'am.
I
I
understand
where
council
davis
is
headed,
but
I
would
like
more
history
and
I
think
that's
what
the
city
manager
is
providing.
We
have
had
a
contract
for
30
years.
We've
had
no
accountability,
haven't
we
we've
had
back
in
the
90s,
we
had
heated
discussions
with
some
of
the
staff
at
the
medical
center
over
how
they're
spending
the
money
and
how
we
were
being
charged-
and
this
is
this-
has
been
an
ongoing
situation
for
years
and
it's
been.
It's
been
a
thorn
in
our
side.
P
For
years
now,
it's
cleared
up
we're
on
a
path
to
hold
him
accountable
to
be
able
to
identify
where
the
industry
care
needs
are
in
the
community.
We
have
several
providers
that
are
interested
in
helping,
I
would
say,
let's,
let's
wait
a
year
issue
the
rfps
and
and
get
some
history
get
a
base
of
knowledge
so
that
we
know
how
to
work
with
this
talking
about
rollbacks.
Now,
it's
just
not
the
time,
because
we
don't
know
where
to
go
with
it.
We
don't
have
the
information
so
that
that's
where
I
stand
on
it.
Thank
you.
P
H
You
angelica,
did
you
say
what
did
you
say
our
debt
service
was?
Was
it
point?
You
said
something
like
point
eight
something.
D
H
So
what
I
propose
is
so
we
have
0.5
mils
being
used
from
this
from
this
3
mil
we
have
0.5
set
aside.
Can
we
do
0.83
and
instead
of
the
0.5
and
then
the
rest
goes
towards
the
underserved
healthcare?
H
D
D
H
L
I
L
We
need
the
0.5,
and
this
gives
us
the
0.5
okay,
so
that
keeps
the
millage
rate
even-
and
I
agree
with
mayor
pro
tem-
we're
all
grappling
with
this
in
the
dark
because
we
have,
we
haven't
done
it
before,
and
so
I
think
we
probably
need
to
to
get
some
data.
So
we
understand
better
so
that
next
year,
maybe
it's
not
2.5,
maybe
it's
less
than
that
once
we
know
what
it's
really
going
to
cost
us,
because
now
we'll
have
a
better
chance
to
find
out
for
sure.
That's
not.
B
H
That's
not
how
it
works
in
the
world
if
you
give
them
2.5,
they're,
going
to
use
2.5
and
they're
going
to
always
use
2.5.
If
you
give
them
two
point,
if
you
give
them
two,
then-
and
you
do,
we
do
our
little
experiment
here.
I
think
I
think
we
can
always
you
know,
adjust
it
up,
but
it
never
gets
adjusted
down
ever.
C
That
point
I
I
just
want
to
be
clear:
we're
not
given
anything.
These
are
reimbursable
expenses,
you
know,
and
when
you
submit
your
expenses,
what
I've
tried
to
make
clear
you
know
for
reimbursement.
You
got
to
spend
the
money
to
send
us
some
documents
to
share
with
us
what
you
did
important
after
you
provide
the
service.
You
send
us
the
documents
and
we
get
to
scrutinize
them
in
a
way
that
we've,
they
didn't,
send
us
documents
in
the
past.
So
now
the
greater
level
of
oversight,
the
greater
level
of
accountability.
C
It's
it's
just
like
the
grants
that
we
get
from
the
state.
They
don't
give
us
money.
We've
got
to
have
the
capacity
to
spend
the
money
in
order
to
apply
for
reimbursement
and
when
we
apply
for
reimbursement,
they
scrutinize
the
bill
and
then
they
start
lying
item.
They
learn
how
to
mount
some
things
that
we're
not
paying
you
for
this.
C
M
Yes,
sir,
thank
you
city
manager,
and
this
is
why
education
is
so
important.
I
would
love
to
see
a
presentation
on
pros
and
cons
of
decreasing
and
increasing
millage
rates
and
all
these
conversations
that
we're
having
and
even
breaking
down
exactly
what
you
said
in
reference
to
the
rafp's,
because
right
now
the
clarity
that
people
have
right
now
in
reference
to
how
this
process
works
is
broken.
M
I
think
it
needs
to
be
an
educational
piece
that
way
people
can
really
see
exactly
what
the
process
is
and
when
we're
talking
about
decreasing
and
increasing
when
you
go
to
other
counties
and
when
you
do
go
to
that
training,
you'll
hear
some
of
the
horror
stories
that
people
give
when
you
have
to
come
back
and
try
to
increase
a
millage.
So
I'm
just
asking
if
we
can
get
a
presentation,
I'm
just
saying
it
a
later
yeah.
C
B
D
K
Thank
you
very
much.
I
agree
with
mayor
pro
temp
and
his
comments
earlier,
not
to
keep
repeating
the
same
thing.
We
need
to
to
do
this
test
pilot,
so
we
can
get
history
on
what's
going
on
and
I
I
second
that
request
from
counselor
tucker.
We
need
to
bring
a
presentation
so
that
people
understand
it's
easy
to
say
we'll
roll
back.
K
But
what
are
the
consequences
from
rolling
back,
it's
easier
to
stay,
stable
and
don't
increase,
and
you
can
budget
your
your
life
around
that
way
and
then
we
can
finish
our
debt
services.
We
can
do
other
roads.
We
can
do
other
things,
so
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
am
going
to
support
with
staff
brought
forward,
because
I
want
history
too.
K
I've
been
here
long
enough
with
counselor
allen
to
know
that
before
you
make
a
decision
like
that,
you
better
have
some
history,
because
you're
accountable
to
the
citizens
and
counselor
davis,
said
about
the
concern
with
the
wording
of
intelligent
care.
Then
we
should
say
public
health
because
it
is
health
that
we're
talking
about
when
you
cut
it
down
from
three
meals
to
2.5.
K
K
I
am
not
comfortable
reducing
it
anymore
until
we
have
some
history
because,
just
like
angelica
said
that's
for
the
less
fortunate
and
even
the
jail,
and
we
already
have
problems
in
the
jail
they
they
need.
Nurses,
they
need
mental
health,
they
need
a
lot
of
stuff
and
we're
going
to
cut
it
down
from
2.5
to
1
point
million,
and
we
expect
that
to
take
care
of
the
citizens
and
the
inmate.
I
don't
think
so.
I
I'm
you
can
count
on
me
angelica
and
staff.
That's
your
recommendation!
K
B
H
Thank
you.
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
you
know
is
there?
Is
there
a
can
we
guarantee
that
a
certain
portion
of
this
2.5
will
could
be
going
just
to
the
jail
or
is
it
just
all
gonna
be
like
as
they
come
in
and
the
reason
why
I'm
saying
this
is
it's
like?
Let's
put
our
own
mask
on
first,
so
that
we
can
help
everybody
else
I
mean
we
have
to
you,
know
part
of
our
budget.
We
have
to
take
care.
H
Yes,
I
understand
we
need
to
take
care
of
the
underserved,
but
there
are
citizens
out
there
that
we
all
get
the
calls
for
that
they're
complaining
about
their
streets.
They're
complaining
about
you
know
all
of
these
other
things
and
yes,
we
have
to
take
care
of
the
underserved
and
their
health
needs,
and
I
I
agree
with
that.
100
percent.
H
C
C
C
C
It's
a
crawl
walk,
run,
we're
going
from
three
meals
to
up
to
two
and
a
half
meals,
and
we
stay
up
to
because
we're
gonna,
scrutinize
and
we're
gonna
look
closely.
We're
gonna
have
information
one
year
from
now.
I
think
this
would
be
a
great
discussion
and
we
can
make
decisions
with
facts
in
hand,
but
right
now
we
just
we
don't
know.
C
C
P
Thank
you
just
to
clarify
the
the
monies
that
we're
talking
about
the
2.5
up
to
2.5
those
contract
or
those
rfps
go
out.
That's
only
for
indigent
care,
it's
not
for
any
other
expenses
that
those
facilities
are
talking
about.
The
vendors
are
talking
about
providing
for
the
city,
piedmont,
mercy,
med,
saint
francis
and
whoever.
Whoever
else
is
interested,
they
will
they're.
Only
the
rfp
is
only
to
address
the
indigent
care
that
they
take
care
of.
That's
right.
It
doesn't
cover
any
other.
P
C
We
would
do
an
rfp
and
we
would
sign
sat
in
agreement
with
them
that
they
would
be
reimbursed
for
allowable
expenses
right
and-
and
so
I
don't
know
what
their
what
their
budget
would
be.
I
mean
there's
no
budget,
it's
if
you
submit
expenses,
because
you
have
an
a
an
indigent
care
agreement
with
us
or
whatever
term
we
use,
then
we
are
going
to
review
your
expenses
and
we
are
going
to
pay
you
allowable
expenses
and
or
reimburse
you.
C
So
if
someone
shows
up,
if
we
have
an
agreement
and
they
you,
we
can
determine
that
they're
indigent,
you
should
take
care
of
them
and
they
will
be
clear
on
what's
allowable
and
then
quarterly
or,
however,
they'll
submit
those
expenses
to
us.
We
will
review
them,
scrutinize
them
and
line
item
out
if
it's
not
if
they
put
something
in
there
that
or
they're
trying
to
slip
not
slip
it
through,
but
inadvertently
put
it
in
there
we're
going
to
mark
it
out
the
worst
person
you
want
to
review.
P
C
C
B
P
E
Madam
budget
chair
look,
I
I
think
everybody
needs
to
understand.
This
is
not
our
money.
This
is
taxpayers
money.
It's
the
expert.
It's
an
expired
30-year
contract.
That's
grown
over
time,
doing
a
massive
amount
of
revenue,
okay,
15
million
dollars
and
we've
already
taken
a
little
bit
of
it
to
service
some
debt,
which
is
wise
in
doing
that.
E
All
I'm
saying
is
that
I've
said
it
before,
and
everybody
on
this
council
knows
the
challenges
that
we're
confronting.
You
know
all
the
purchases.
You
know
all
the
transactions,
that's
going
on
and
buildings
out
there.
You
know
the
other
challenges
in
the
future
and
we're
going
to
have
to
look
at
this
from
a
strategic
standpoint,
because
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
stability.
E
I
really
am
in
the
next
five
years,
I'm
concerned
about
stability
with
all
these
moves
that
we're
making
as
a
city
and
they're
excessive
moves
like
we've
never
made
before,
and
I'm
not
so
sure
that
we
understand
all
those
challenges.
All
I'm
saying
is
that
you've
got
a
revenue
stream,
don't
spend
it
all.
You
can
still
use
some
of
it
in
an
area
that
helps
people.
If
we
want
to
do
that,
okay,
some
people
look
at
that
in
various
ways.
E
They
look
at
it
as
helping
people
helping
your
community
entitlement,
there's
a
lot
of
ways
that
they
look
at
it,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
their
property
tax
dollars
that
they're
paying
they're
paying
it.
Not
us,
okay,
they're
paying
it.
So
what
is
wise
with
the
taxpayers?
We've
got
debt
service
out
there
and
we're
going
to
incur
more
debt
and
we've
got
that.
We've
got
bonds
out
there.
E
We
we
have
an
opportunity
to
pay
these
things
off
with
a
revenue
stream
that
we've
never
had
before,
and
so
I'm
just
saying
look
at
it
closely.
We
got
to
look
at
that
closely
because
there's
no
other
funds
out
there
available.
Unless
you
increase
property
taxes,
counselor
allen,
you
want
to
start
increasing
urban
service
district.
E
Two
I
mean
we
can
do
that
and
get
and
solve
some
of
our
needs,
but
we're
gonna
have
to
find
creative
ways
to
deal
with
some
of
these
matters
and
these
challenges
they're
not
going
away
and
we're
going
to
incur
more
and
more
of
these
expenses.
So
you
need
to
have
some
funds
to
deal
with.
That's
all
I'm
saying
and.
C
E
Here,
sir,
mississippi
measure,
here's
my
concern
and
it
reflects
directly
off
of
what
council
crab
said,
and
this
is
government.
This
is
how
the
citizens
view
government
that,
once
you
start
heading
in
direction
and
you
agree
to
start
spending
or
you
agree
to
start
heading
in
the
direction,
there's
no
turning
back.
E
E
If
not
don't
come
in
three
years
from
now,
and
and
tell
me
that
you
know,
we've
already
committed
to
all
these
funds
well
and
we
can't
utilize
them
in
such
a
way.
That's
going
to
benefit
or
help
the
citizens
of
columbus
somebody's
going
to
have
to
cover
all
this
service
in
the
future,
and
you
know
we,
we
need
to
start
figuring
out
ways
to
deal
with
some
of
that.
Well
and.
C
And
I
absolutely
agree:
council,
davis
and.
C
F
Well-
and
I
I
think
all
of
us
share
the
same
concern
that
councilor
davis
is
talking
about,
and
I
think
that
you
know
fortunately
through
the
through
the
planning,
the
financial
planning
we've
done
and
in
putting
together
like
the
the
splost
list.
Most
of
the
major
construction
projects
are
gonna.
The
the
debt
service
has
already
been
identified
through
the
splost,
the
buildings
and
all
the
infrastructure.
That's
going
to
be
created
will
be
pay.
F
And
of
course
you
know,
the
citizens
will
determine
whether
or
not
they
want
to
continue
the
the
t-splost
in
the
in
on
the
ballot
this
year.
So
so
we
we
we've
tried
to
be
very,
very
strategic
in
what
we
present
to
y'all
over
the
last
several
years
with
regards
to
funding
some
of
these
larger
larger
projects.
B
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
council
house.
Did
I
see
you
counseling.
L
C
Okay,
well,
let
me
let
to
what
happens
with
the
money.
The
finance
director.
D
L
D
So
once
we
collect
those
funds
for
indigent
care
purposes,
it'll
stay
in
the
energet
care
fund
or
whatever
term
knowledge
we
use,
but
it'll
be
in
that
fund
and
if
we
don't
utilize
all
of
the
money
it
stays
in
that
fund
for
that
purpose.
So
there
could
be
some
carryover
into
next
year
over
the
next
year.
L
B
C
B
Okay,
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
a
discussion
of
the
councilor
council's
travel
policy.
B
This
is
an
issue
that
several
of
the
councillors
have
brought
to
us
and
brought
up
about
how
we
want
to
spend
this
money
and
know
which
items
did
we
want
to
spend
it?
I
do.
I
do
think
that
we
at
this
point,
madam
clerk,
if
I'm
not
mistaken
in
the
budget,
is
designated
five
thousand
dollars
for
training
and
educational
purposes
and
ten
thousand
dollars
for
council
other
travel
for
counselors.
Is
that
correct?
B
We
were
handed
this
morning,
a
17-page
document
from
the
city
manager,
this
the
city
attorney,
outlining
the
policy
and,
for
the
most
part,
the
council
policy
reflects
that
same
policy
for
employees
and
department,
heads
and
so
forth,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
things
that
that
we
have
been
asked
to
have
some
discussion
on
one
of
the
and
I'm
sorry
that
the
city
attorney
is
not
here.
Madame
chef,
tyler
is
direct
attorney
shift
all
over
there.
B
One
of
the
requests
that
that
I
would
make
is
that
we
separate,
if
you
would,
the
council
expense
and
training
from
the
general
training
policy,
because
I
think
there
are
different
needs
in
the
council.
I
would
like
to
see
us
call
the
five
thousand
dollars
mandatory
training
funds.
B
As
you
know,
when
a
new
counselor
is
elected,
you
have
to
go
to
a
mandatory
training
session
and
every
two
years
there
is
the
possibility
of
up
to
five
counselors
having
to
go
to
this
training
and
because
it
is
mandatory,
it
seems
to
me
that
we
need
to
have
those
expenses
covered
and
you
can.
B
You
can
cover
the
same
type
of
expenses
if
you
will,
for
example,
the
the
per
diem
or
the
registration
fee
or
the
hotel
or
whatever,
as
the
the
17-page
document
lays
out
for
others,
but
we'll
call
it
the
mandatory
training,
not
educational
training,
because
we
can
do
educational
training.
B
That
is
not
the
mandatory
training
and
I
I
would
like
to
I
you
know
the
the
chances
there's
a
chance
that
this
this
next
budget
year,
we
will
have
four
new
councillors
who
have
to
go
to
that
mandatory
training
and
I'm
not
sure
five
thousand
dollars
would
cover
four
people.
B
B
B
B
P
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Some
of
the
things
that
we've
kicked
around
it
is
amending
the
travel
policy
for
council
to
cover
three
thousand
dollars
for
a
single
trip.
Now,
I'm
not
sure
if
we
need
to
put
a
dollar
amount
in
there,
but
maybe
maybe
the
finance
director
could
help
us
with
that
and
talking
with
the
clerk,
I
believe
that
that
amount
would
cover
one
trip
now
that
would
be
if
a
counselor
wanted
to
attend
a
function,
accg
or
gma.
P
And
then
the
the
second
part
of
that
would
be,
as
the
the
chair
described
would
be,
to
set
aside
monies
for
those
newly
elected
that
are
that
will
help
will
have
mandated
training
that
they
would
have
to
have
to
attend.
P
D
The
the
budget
once
adopted
will
be
set
until
you
change
it
for
the
most
part
now
whatever's
left
over,
I
mean
it
doesn't
roll
over
into
the
new
fiscal
year.
You
know
every
fiscal
year
the
budget
resets
but
it'll
be
typically
whatever
the
base
budget
was
for
the
prior
year.
That's
typically
what
we
use
for
the
new
year,
so
I
guess
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
council
allen
of
mayor
pro
tem.
D
P
No
ma'am,
okay,
no
ma'am
we'd,
leave
it
at
the
five
and
the
ten,
as
has
been
discussed.
Okay,
some
counselors
travel,
most
of
them.
Don't
most
all
of
us
have
met
our
mandated
travel.
I
believe
so
only
mandated
would
come
into
play
when
there's
a
new
one
elected.
P
B
Okay,
any
other
discussion
on
this
council
crab.
Q
Counselor
crab
the
most
recent
newly
elected
officials,
training
it,
the
cost
was
12
was
1200.
B
And
what
did
that
cover?
Do
you
recall
either
you
or
ms
alexander.
Q
That
that
covers
the
registration
we
cover.
The
city
covers
the
hotel
fee,
which
is
normally
two
nights.
Normally
it's
a
two
day
training.
It
covers
any
reimbursable
amounts,
such
as
the
per
diem
for
any
meals
that
are
not
covered
as
a
part
of
the
conference,
as
well
as
mileage,
okay
and
malignant
parking.
B
I'm
I
I
will
tell
you,
I
have
not
read
17
pages
of
this
proposal,
but
let
me
ask
you
this
does.
Does
this,
it
doesn't
give
a
dollar
amount
for
the
travel
it
just
says.
D
B
D
Mileage
rate-
yes,
ma'am
is
attached
to
the
rate.
That's
that's
published
by
the
irs.
H
P
I
just
let
me
just
be
clarified
for
the
record.
What
I'm
offering
is,
I'm
I'm
basically
throwing
skunk
on
the
table,
so
we
can
talk
about
it.
So
I'm
putting
this
in
the
form
of
a
motion
so
that
we
can
have
a
little
conversation
about
it,
and
I
think
that
we
would
need
madam
city
attorney.
We
would
need
to
put
this
in
the
form
of
a
resolution
once
we
identify
the
language.
G
That
is
correct.
The
overall
amounts
would
be
set
in
the
budget
ordinance
and
you
would
do
a
council
resolution
expressing
council's
intent
to
sort
of
dole
out
your
own
travel
budget,
essentially
the
basis
on
which
okay,
so.
H
Okay,
so
if
the
mandatory
training
costs
a
thousand
two
hundred
per
person,
then
shouldn't
we
have
up
to
six
thousand
mandatory
training
funds
set
aside
each
year
because
say
say:
every
incumbent
gets
wiped
out
and
so
shouldn't.
We
have
up
to
five.
B
B
P
P
P
M
M
Three
thousand,
I'm
sorry,
three
thousand
per
counselor
per
year
that
they
don't
go
over
the
3
000.
Can
we
just
do
that
and
the
reason
why
I
say
that,
because
now
that
I
have
been
elected
to
the
accg
board
of
managers,
they
actually
pay
for
my
my
registration
fee,
and
only
thing
I
have
to
be
responsible
for
is
the
hotel.
P
So
but
the
chair
said
we're
not
going
to
put
an
amount
in
there,
we're
just
going
to
regulate
it
to
one
trip
a
year.
Now
the
the
clerk
has
said
a
trip
just
to
give
us
a
cost
idea
that
a
trip
costs
should
three
thousand
dollars
per
trip.
If
someone
takes
a
trip,
should
cover
everything
in
there,
the
registration,
the
hotel,
the
the
food
and
lodging
that
kind
of
thing.
M
B
H
I
I
understand
counselor
tucker's
position
because
see
if
we
said
per
trip-
and
it
was
only
you
know-
it
only
cost
a
thousand.
H
H
Where
I
mean
to
me,
I
unders
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from,
where
we
don't
want
to
have
to
change
the
amounts,
but
at
the
same
time
I
think
it's
easier
for
them,
because
when
they're
setting
the
budget
that
they
would
have
that
we
would
have
specific
amounts
because
then
they
they
plug
those
amounts
into
their
budget.
Am
I
right
well.
D
I
was
going
to
say
two
things.
First
thing
you
know
in
terms
of
where
the
budget
dollars
are
labeled.
You
know
we
do
have
to
follow
the
the
guidelines
in
terms
of
the
uniform
chart
of
accounts,
that's
set
by
the
state
I'm
going
to
check
on.
I
do
believe
we
could
likely
set
up
another
travel
code
and
designate
it
as
mandatory
training.
That
would
be
a
code
that
would
be
applicable
across
the
government
in
terms
of
being
able
to
place
budget
dollars
in
that
particular
bucket.
D
D
M
A
question:
can
you
put
in
there
with
no
counselor
exceeding
three
thousand
dollars
per?
I
guess
fiscal
year
or.
D
M
And
then
add
per
budget
trying
to
think
of
what
the
word
would
be
like
budget.
Basically,
if
we
have
it
within
the
budget,
I
can't
think
of
it.
Budget.
M
M
Counselor
can
go
over
three
thousand
dollars
and
also
you
know
just
in
respect
to
how
much
that
ten
thousand
are
we
still
keeping
it
at
the
tenth.
With
the
respect
of
the
ten
thousand
line
item.
M
Figure
out
how
to
how
to
word
it,
because
if
we're
doing
one
trip
and
no
more
than
3
000
per
single
trip,
we
only
have
10
10
000
anyway.
So
that's
really
like
three
three
trips,
you
know
three
counselors,
so
it
just
seemed
like
we
can
word
it
to
know.
One
counselor
expending
more
than
three
thousand
dollars
per
annual
year
within
that
ten
thousand
dollar
budget,
still
keeping
the
ten
thousand
dollar
pledge.
P
I
I
think
that
we
are
opening
ourselves
up
for
criticism
from
the
public
and-
and
some
of
us
have
talked
about
this-
if,
if
we're
spending
our
time
on
the
road
going
to
various
meetings
around
the
country,
then
we're
subject
to
be
criticized
from
the
public
of
spending
money.
That's
not
benefiting
the
city!
If,
if
you
want
to
go
to
a
meeting
and
further
your
education,
then
that's
fine.
P
If
you're
certified,
you
have
received
a
an
increase
in
your
salary
for
your
your
compensation
from
the
city
as
being
a
counselor,
you
can
use
that
money
to
travel,
but
for
me
I've
I've
been
to
the
meetings
I've
received.
My
mandated,
I
learned
what
I
want
to
learn
in
columbus,
georgia,
about
columbus
georgia
and
how
to
better
the
government.
Here.
P
I
don't
need
to
travel
to
further
anything
else
that
I
want
to
do
here
and
what
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is
limit
the
city
budget
for
council
travel
to
a
dollar
amount
so
that
we
don't
indicate
or
show
to
the
public
that
we're
traveling
everywhere
and
we're
doing
all
these
things.
We
we
will
be
subject
to
criticism
when
we
come
up
for
reelection,
and
I
don't
want
to
be
in
that
position
of
having
to
defend
that
and
that's
my
position.
I'm
saying
that
we,
the
money's,
not
transferable.
P
P
G
And
whatever
option
y'all
choose
as
to
the
whether
it's
per
trip
or
pro
maximum
dollar
amount,
we
would
always
in
that
resolution
include
the
following
language.
The
payment
of
conference
fees
and
travel
expenses
shall
be
subject
to
funds
being
made
available
in
the
annual
budget,
and
travel
expenses
will
only
be
reimbursed
in
accordance
with
government
governing
columbus,
consolidated
government
travel
policies.
B
C
So
fifteen
thousand
dollars
is
in
the
budget
and
any
amount
that
exceeds
the
15
000.
Then
you
would
need
to
do
an
ad
category
in
the
add,
delete,
you'd
have
to
add
whatever
additional
amount
and
then
you'll
approve
that
amount,
so
that
then
it
changes
in
the
budget
and
the
finance
director
can
make
that
note.
So,
in
other
words,
if
you
do
3
000
for
each
counselor
and
there's
10
of
you,
that
would
be
30
000,
you
have
15
000.
You
need
to
do
and
add
the
lead
of
15
000..
H
B
The
council
has
a
a
separate
budget
through
the
clerk's
office,
as
I
understand
it,
and
I
think
that's
what
we're
trying
to
get
to
today
is-
and
I
don't
I
haven't
heard
anyone
say-
increase
the
15
000.
we're
just
talking
about.
Let's
see
how
we're
going
to
do
it
and
miss
chef
tall
has
been
hearing
all
of
this
and
can
come
back
to
us
in
a
regular
meeting
with
a
resolution
saying
how
we're
going
to
proceed
on
this.
B
If
that
is
the
wish
of
of
the
council,
if
so,
council
tucker
did
you
have
a.
P
B
It
out
first
before
the
next
meeting,
there
is
a
motion
on
the
table
and
we
need
to
to
handle
it
all.
Those
in
favor
of
the
motion
say
aye.
Q
Madam
chair,
it
sounds
like
mayor
pro
tem
allen
does
want
to
withdraw
his
motion
and
wait.
B
P
We
were
going
to
talk
about
the
travel
policy
and
what
we've
been
advised
is
to
have
the
discussion
in
a
council
meeting.
We
can't
we
shouldn't
have
it
on
a
budget
meeting,
so
I'm
instead
of
withdrawing
my
motion,
we've
got
to
vote
it
down.
So
I'm
asking
you
to
vote
against
my
motion.
B
And
then,
and
then
the
city
attorney's
office
will
bring
us
back
a
resolution
yeah
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
say
aye.
P
B
G
B
Okay,
all
right
are
there
other
items
to
come
before
the
body.
M
M
D
Yes
ma'am,
madam
chair,
I
just
wanted
to
go
over
the
schedule
once
again,
very
quickly
from
what
was
previously
published,
which
was
that
june
seventh
meeting
and
I
worked
with
clerk
of
council
sandra
davis
to
on
the
res,
providing
the
dates
for
the
resolution.
That
council
will
officially
vote
to
change.
The
meeting
dates
on
may
the
31st,
but
the
june
7th
meeting
in
which
was
on
the
budget
calendar
will
be
canceled
on
june
7th.
D
D
We
will
meet
there's
a
regular
council
meeting
scheduled
at
9
00
a.m.
On
june
14th,
during
that
meeting,
we'll
have
the
first
taxpayer
bill
of
rights.
Hearing
we'll
also
have
the
first
reading
of
the
budget
ordinance
also
on
june
14th
at
6
00
pm
we'll
have
our
second
taxpayer
bill
of
rights.
Hearing
here
in
the
council
chambers.
D
It
will
not
be
a
part
of
any
regular
council
meeting,
but
the
public
is
welcome
to
come
as
part
of
the
taxpayer
bill
of
rights,
then,
on
june
21st
at
9
00
a.m.
We'll
have
our
third
taxpayer
bill
of
rights.
Hearing
we'll
also
have
the
second
reading
of
the
budget
ordinance
and
the
first
reading
of
the
millage
ordinance
and
then
june
28th
tentatively.
D
There's
a
council
on
the
list
here
on
the
schedule
here
we'll
meet
that
evening
at
5
30
as
a
regular
council
meeting
on
the
agenda
for
sure
will
be
the
second
reading
of
the
millage
ordinance.