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A
Mayor
skip
Henderson
city
manager,
Isaiah
Hughley
pops,
Barnes
district,
one
Glenn
Davis
district
2,
Bruce
Huff
District
3,
Toya,
Tucker,
District,
4,
Charmaine,
crab
District,
5,
Gary,
Allen,
mayor
Pro,
tem
and
District
Six
Joanne
kogel
district
7,
Walker
Garrett,
District,
8,
Judy,
Thomas
posts;
nine
at
large
counselor
Tyson,
Begley,
Post
10
at
large
counselor,
Sandra,
Davis,
Clerk
of
counsel
and
City
Attorney
Clifton
Faye,
Columbus
Georgia.
This
is
your
city
council.
B
September
12th
meeting
of
the
Columbus
city
council,
we
start
every
meeting
with
a
prayer,
but
before
I
call
the
chaplain
up
here
remind
you
that
of
course,
yesterday
was
Patriot's.
Day
and
Columbus
city
council
is
recognizing
Public
Safety
Week
in
response
to
that
Memorial
attended
a
few,
as
most
of
you
probably
did
attended
a
few
memorials
yesterday,
and
the
common
theme
is
the
farther
it
gets
in.
The
rearview
mirror
the
more
our
memories
dim
and
we
think
about
it.
If
you're
under
30
you,
you
probably
don't
remember
the
day
that
happened
22
years
ago.
B
Actually
some
of
the
folks
that
are
sitting
around
this
table
were
sitting
around
a
council
table
that
Tuesday
morning,
when
the
second
plane
hit
the
first
plane
hit
about
15
minutes
before
we
started
second
plane,
and
we
thought
it
was
a
tragic
accident
second
plane
hit
about
15
minutes
later
and
then
mayor
Pro,
tem,
Jack
Rogers
was
facilitating
the
meeting
and
he
got
called
outside
and
came
back
and
said
that
it
appears
we
are
under
attack
and
everybody
kind
of
just
dispersed
very
quickly
after
that,
but
but
during
Patriots
Day
and
during
Public
Safety
Week.
B
343
firefighters
lost
their
lives
in
that
one
single
day
and
that's
because
while
everybody
else
is
running
down
the
stairs
they're
running
up,
there
were
a
couple
of
dozen
police
officers
that
lost
their
lives,
some
Ports
Authority
individuals,
but
the
bottom
line.
These
were
all
heroes,
rushing
towards
the
challenge
instead
of
away
for
one
reason-
and
that
was
to
try
to
save
as
many
lives
as
they
possibly
could.
B
B
C
Beautiful
day
we
have
today
and
just
talk
about
Public
Safety
recognition
week
this
week,
I'm
just
so
honored
today
to
come
and
pray
for
our
city
for
our
Council
before
our
Public
Safety.
We
do
an
amazing
job
to
keep
our
community
safe.
We
have
amazing
leadership
in
our
department,
so
join
with
me
this
morning,
as
we
pray
together
father,
we
love
you
so
much
this
morning.
We
thank
you
Lord
for
this
day,
what
a
beautiful
day
it
is
today
and
Lord
this
morning,
we
get
to
celebrate
this
week
of
Public
Safety.
C
C
C
B
You
and
thank
you
for
years
of
service
to
the
Columbus
fire
and
EMS
normally
I
lead
to
pledge,
but
I'm
going
to
do
something.
A
little
different.
We've
got
Representatives
here
from
the
police
department,
Homeland
Security,
the
fire
department,
the
Sheriff's
Office
and
the
mCP
the
prison
I'm
going
to
ask
all
public
safety
personnel
if
they
would
to
come.
Try
to
stand
gather
right
here
and
lead
us
in
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance
this
morning,
uniformed
or
not.
We
won't
invite
you
all
up
front.
B
B
G
Thank
you
mayor,
it's
my
privilege
to
publish
this
what
a
moving
prayer
battalion
chief,
Mark
Burnett,
that
was
we're
going
to
miss
you
and
thank
you
for
your
service.
D
F
Mayor
and
members
of
council,
thank
you
for
taking
a
moment
to
recognize
that
members
of
Public
Safety,
what's
interesting
enough,
is
that
we
discovered
some
five
years
ago.
Just
thinking
about
it
is
that
there
is
no
holiday
in
America
that
recognizes
all
of
Public
Safety,
and
yet
one
percent
of
our
population
protects
the
other
90
percent
day
and
night
375
days
a
year
through,
and
we
just
give
thanks
for
the
great
great
leadership
that
everybody
makes
and
sacrifice
that
they
make
in
that
process
starting.
F
The
movement
has
started
here
in
Columbus
to
make
the
week
of
9
11
Public
Safety
Week
in
America
and
cities,
counties
and
States
across
the
country
can
Proclaim
this
week
as
Public
Safety
Week
in
their
jurisdiction,
and
you
know
how
much
it
costs
the
few
minutes
of
time
like
this
Council
has
done
to
recognize
them
and
say.
Thank
you
because
what
a
contribution
they
make
to
us
day
in
and
day
out,
we
give
great
great
thanks
for
it
so
Mr,
Mayor
and
council
members.
B
B
B
There's
a
motion
second
approve
any
edits,
or
discussions
or
questions
hearing
nine,
all
in
favor
say
aye.
Are
there
any
opposed
all
right,
they're
approved
we've
got
another
Proclamation.
This
one
is
to
recognize
help
the
hooch
days
and
I'm
going
to
ask
counselor
kogel.
If
she
would
present
this
so
I
think
we've
got
Lisa.
Cuts
is
Lisa
here,
Lisa
anybody
else
you
want
to
bring
up
with
you.
H
Great,
as
you
know,
the
Chattahoochee
River
spans
a
lot
of
District
Seven.
So
I
am
happy
to
read
the
proclamation
for
help
the
hooch
days
and
it
reads
as
follow,
whereas
the
Chattahoochee
River
is
crucial
to
the
history
and
the
development
of
the
middle
Chattahoochee
Tri
communities
and
whereas
the
Chattahoochee
River
is
approximately
430
miles
long.
The
Chattahoochee
Flint
appalachicola
Rivers
together
make
up
the
Apalachicola
Chattahoochee
Flint
River
basin.
H
Sediment
used
motor
oil,
Garden
chemicals,
plant
paint
products,
fast,
food
containers
and
cigarette
butts,
and
whereas
these
pollutants
fall
flow
through
the
storm
Basin
system
through
the
middle
Chattahoochee
communities
and
empty
directly
into
the
Chattahoochee
River
and
our
tributories,
where,
where
they
harm,
Wildlife
Fisheries,
ruin
Recreation
areas
and
threaten
the
purity
of
the
river
and
whereas
to
protect
the
and
preserve
the
most
valuable
resource
we
have.
The
middle
Chattahoochee
helped.
The
hooch
committee
will
conduct
the
29th
annual
help.
The
Hooch
river
cleanup
on
October
6
and
October
7
2023.
H
and
whereas
non-point
pollutant
pollution
is
a
product
of
human
abuse
and
neglect
to
help.
The
hooch
committee
is
extending
an
invitation
to
every
citizen
of
the
middle
Chattahoochee
communities
to
participate
in
this
cleanup
process.
Therefore,
on
behalf
of
the
Mayor
of
Columbus,
we
do
here
hereby
Proclaim
Friday
and
Saturday.
October
6th
and
7
2023
has
helped
the
hooch
days.
B
I
Thank
you.
I
would
like
to
first
thank
the
mirror:
Council
city
manager,
all
of
our
city
departments,
Our,
Community,
Partners,
Columbus,
Water,
Works,
Aflac,
Pratt,
Whitney,
and
so
many
others
that
helped
to
assist
in
putting
together
this
event.
That's
been
going
on
for
29
years,
and
so
we
want
to
keep
it
going
and
what
I
would
like
to
do
today
is
just
say:
we
love
Columbus,
and
we
want
to
keep
it
beautiful
and
so
I
want
to
encourage
each
of
you
to
register
to
participate
through
your
homeowners
associations,
your
groups,
churches,
any
organizations.
I
Please
register
we're
trying
to
reach
the
pre-pandemic
numbers,
which
was
upward
of
twelve
thousand
since
the
pandemical
course
that
went
down
but
we're
trying
to
grow
it
again.
We
have
the
largest
Southeast
Cleanup
in
the
area
and
that's
a
big
deal
and
we
have
been
awarded
for
that
and
so
we're
trying
to
just
grow
it
and
so
I
encourage
you
to
love
Columbus
and
try
to
keep
it
beautiful.
Like
we
all
know,
you
do,
and
so
I
have
some
of
my
partners
here
today.
I
Our
interim
chairperson
of
our
foundation,
I,
have
some
board
members
and
I
have
some
help
to
who's
committee
members,
and
there
are
others
that
could
not
be
present
today.
So
thank
you
again
for
all
your
support
and
I
encourage
you
give
us
a
call
today
go
online
and
register
for
this
great
event.
At.
R
B
All
right,
we've
got
another
Proclamation
this
one
recognizing
National
Recovery
month.
I
know:
we've
got
some
folks
from
New
Horizon
Behavioral
Health
here,
including
I,
think
Chloe
Landreth
is
here.
If
y'all
would
make
your
way
to
the
front
and
I'm
going
to
ask
councilor
crab.
If
she
would
please
present
this
Proclamation.
S
The
Clinton
Foundation,
the
Georgia
Council
for
Recovery
mobilized
recovery
serve
you
RX,
and
the
Georgia
General
Assembly
working
group
on
addiction
and
Recovery
invite
all
residents
of
the
state
of
Georgia
to
participate
in
National
Recovery
month
and
whereas
the
designation
of
National
Recovery
month
will
encourage
citizens
to
observe
this
month
with
appropriate
programs
activities
and
ceremonies
to
support
this
year's
recovery
month
theme
recovery
is
real.
Now
they're,
therefore,
BH
skip
Henderson
III
Mayor
of
Columbus
Georgia
do
thereby
Proclaim
September
2023
as
National
Recovery
month.
B
So
you
want
to
make
some
comments
Chris,
if
you
turn
that
light
back
on.
Please.
T
I
just
want
to
personally
thank
counselor
Barnes
and
councilor
kogel
for
being
on
our
recovery
on
the
River
Event
this
past
Friday
and
for
reading
that
Proclamation
publicly
for
everyone
there,
and
thank
you
to
the
council
for
accepting
that
Oak
box
into
your
facility
recovery
month
is
super
important
and
we
had
a
great
event
and
we
have
a
great
staff,
a
lot
with
lived
experiences
at
New,
Horizons
and
they're
the
the
true
heroes
this
month.
So
thank
you
all.
H
Yeah
Chloe
Chloe
I
had
full
intention
of
bringing
the
box
with
me
this
morning.
So
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
what
she's,
referring
to
councilor
Barnes
and
I,
accepted
a
hundred
doses
of
Narcan
to
be
distributed
across
of
our
government
buildings
on
behalf
of
New
Horizons.
So
if
it
does
make,
you
feel
any
better.
I
did
forget
to
bring
my
child
to
school
this
morning
too.
H
So
so
the
Box,
the
kid
is
at
school,
but
the
box
is
at
my
house,
so
I
I
will
bring
that
by
a
government
building
later
on
today.
So
thank
you.
U
You
know,
I
tell
everybody
I've
been
blessed
to
live
through
two
generations:
a
generation
40
years,
I'm,
80
and
I've,
seen
a
marvelous
perspective
change,
not
only
in
this
country,
but
in
this
community
when
it
comes
to
individuals
who
are
suffering
from
a
substance,
use
disorder
and
I'd
like
to
thank
New
Horizons
for
staying
in
the
course
for
educating
not
only
taking
care
of
individuals,
but
also
over
the
years
for
being
kind
enough
to
educate
individuals
on
it's
a
disease.
U
U
She
did
an
awesome
job.
First
time
we
were
expecting
like
maybe
two
three
hundred
over
500
people
showed
up
and
everything
went
so
smoothly.
Councilor
kogel
read
the
proclamation.
The
only
problem
I
had
by
the
way
is
that
some
people
said
how
tall
is
Coco.
We
can
just
barely
see
your
head
popping,
but
it
was
such
a
marvelous
turnout
and
all
the
hard
work
of
you,
Chloe,
organizing
it
Susan
Gallagher
who
I've
known
since
I,
worked
at
New
Horizons
many
eons
ago,
and
everybody
that
showed
up
to
support
recovery
efforts.
U
V
I
just
wanted
to
put
in
a
word
about
Narcan
and
getting
Narcan
into
the
hands
of
people
in
the
community.
It's
so
crucial
to
be
able
to
reverse
the
effects
of
an
overdose
and
to
be
able
to
get
100
Narcan
kits
at
city
council
is
fantastic,
we're
government
buildings,
but
if
you're
interested
in
Narcan,
if
you
have
a
family
member
that
maybe
has
an
opioid
use
disorder,
New
Horizons
is
able
to
provide
Narcan
to
the
family
members.
You
can
visit
our
website
at
www.nhbh.org.
You
can
visit
our
connections
program
on
Veterans
Parkway.
V
B
W
Health
needs
help.
Individuals
with
communication
and
provide
intimate
personal
support
daily
and
whereas
the
city
of
Columbus
recognizes
and
honors
this
vital
Workforce
of
direct
support
professionals
at
New,
Horizons
and
Beyond,
who
serve
our
community
with
the
hopes
of
encouraging
interest
in
this
rewarding
profession,
which
impacts
the
quality
of
life
for
individuals
with
intellectual
and
developmental
disabilities
and
now,
therefore,
for
mayor
skip
Henderson
III
of
Columbus
Georgia
do
hereby
Proclaim
September
10th
through
16th
2023
as
direct
support,
professional
recognition
week.
R
R
This
staff
I
could
go
on
and
on.
They
are
absolutely
wonderful.
They
deal
with
so
much
and
are
loving
and
caring
and
dedicated
to
our
individuals.
I
like
to
thank
Miss
Andrea,
our
CEO
of
New
Horizons
I,
would
like
our
own
direct
staff
to
come
up
along
with
the
staff
at
developmental
disability
to
introduce
themselves.
They
are
the
backbone
and
I
appreciate
everything
everything
you
do
for
our
individuals.
R
Thank
you
and
I.
Thank
you
again
without
our
our
client
support
workers,
the
individuals
they
a
lot
of
them
have
been
here
for
years
to
read
them
all
right,
20
years.
So
that
is
dedication
really
taking
care
of
our
individuals
with.
You
know,
variety
of
needs
and
things
we
have
to
do
for
them,
but
we
really
appreciate
an
administration
of
New
Horizons.
Also
I
was
going
to
thank
Chloe
and
Susan,
and
thank
you
so
thank
you
again.
B
All
right
and
we
have
a
proclamation
acknowledging
Constitution
week-
Faye
Wells,
the
Oglethorpe
chapter,
National
Society
Daughters
the
American
Revolution,
and
bring,
if
you
want
all
of
your
folks
to
come
up
and
I'm
going
to
ask
councilor
Thomas
if
she
would
read
this
Council
time.
If
you
hit
your
light,
we'll
get
your
microphone
turned
off.
AA
N
O
B
Well,
we
certainly
thank
all
of
you
and-
and
we
appreciate
you
making
sure
that
we
do
acknowledge
and
recognize
this
day
every
year
and
y'all
do
a
great
job,
Miss
Wells,
thank
you
for
driving
in
from
Buena
Vista
this
morning.
If
y'all
would
come
around,
let
us
thank
you
and
I'll
present
you,
your
Proclamation.
B
AD
AD
AD
AD
AD
AD
We
additionally
recommend
an
engagement
of
a
forensic
consultant
with
a
U.S
HUD
background
to
complete
the
necessary
multi-year
reconciliation
of
the
ccg
general
ledger
and
federal
HUD
systems
going
forward.
Community
reinvestment
and
the
accounting
division
of
finance
will
collaborate
to
keep
records
balanced.
AD
We
recommend
a
review
of
the
service
delivery
models
in
Albany,
Augusta
and
Savannah,
as
they
are
slightly
smaller,
but
operate
somewhat
larger
teams.
Imagine
the
possibilities
I'm
going
to
share
the
podium
at
this
point
with
my
colleague,
Jonathan
Smith,
a
forensic
auditor
on
our
team.
He
has
some
additional
information
for
you
that
appears
in
your
package.
AD
AE
Thank
you.
So
in
your
packet,
you
have
a
set
of
four
graphs.
AE
This,
the
top
two
really
just
show
the
federal
funding
rate
of
the
sister
cities,
which
we
used,
Athens
Macon,
Savannah
and
Augusta,
because
they
are
the
most
similarly
populated
cities,
and
that
is
shown
in
your
second
graph,
with
Columbus
being
the
most
populous
of
those
five
cities.
AE
Now,
although
Columbus
is
the
most
populous,
as
you
can
see
in
the
bottom
left,
they
have
the
lowest
number
of
staff.
I,
don't
think
it's
on
the
is
no
it's
not
going
to
be
on
the
screen,
so
I
apologize,
but
the
Columbus
has
the
lowest
number
of
staffs
out
of
the
five.
Although
they
have
the
highest
population
and
then
only
Athens
and
Savannah
got
back
to
me.
But
I
was
asking
their
directors
about
city
and
county
funding.
AE
Athens
receives
General
Municipal
funding
from
the
county
Savannah
they
have
their
sploss
attacks,
as
well
as
the
sahf,
which
is
the
Savannah,
affordable
housing
fund,
which
the
city
can
contribute
to
as
well
as
private
and
public
businesses
in
Savannah.
So
they
do
have
funding,
but
Columbus
Community
reinvestment
does
not
get
city
funding
on
the
next
page.
There
is
a
pie
chart
showing
beneficiaries
served,
as
you
can
see.
Columbus
pretty
much
boils
every
other
City
out
of
the
water
by
beneficiary
served.
AE
There
is
the
possibility,
though,
that
these
other
cities
use
a
different
system
from
what
I
was
told.
Community
reinvestment
here
in
Columbus
uses
a
census
block
group.
These
other
cities
might
just
focus
on
individuals,
so
that
might
be
a
possibility.
AE
But
yeah,
even
even
if
there
is
that
possibility
having
the
least
amount
of
staff,
but
the
most
amount
of
beneficiaries
is
a
big
gap
and
I
know.
Mr
Scott
wanted
me
to
say
that
there
hasn't
been
a
360
percent
increase
in
beneficiaries
compared
to
the
last
three
year,
reporting
period
from
the
previous
administration
before
he
was
there.
So
that's
a
huge
jump,
but
that
is
I.
Think
that
is
all
I
have
so
I
think
I'm
gonna
pass
the
podium
off
to
my
colleague
Ben.
AE
E
Good
morning,
everybody
thank
you,
my
in
your
packet,
you
should
see
the
bullet
points
on
the
Land
Bank
Authority
for
the
community.
From
a
perspective
of
the
community
community
redevelopment,
the
land
bank
Authority
basically
acquires
tax,
delinquent
and
surplus
properties
for
the
purpose
of
fostering
the
public
with
the
return
of
those
improved
properties.
E
E
There
are
even
hundreds
more
that
are
12
plus
months
tax
delinquent.
The
properties
are
really
only
acquired
by
the
LBA,
though
upon
receipt
of
a
disposition
plan
from
the
Developers
for
the
blam
Bank.
There
currently
are
two
properties
in
inventory
and
there's
one
on
target.
There
are
two
properties
in
inventory
and
they're,
both
targeted
to
be
sold
by
the
end
of
this
month.
E
Acquisition
costs
are
roughly
about
five
thousand
dollars,
and
this
includes
the
judicial
process
with
the
title
and
the
closing
fees
and,
in
addition
to
this
there's
an
additional
incurrence
of
about
a
one
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
in
maintenance
in
the
past
properties
were
often
sold
at
a
loss.
The
board
often
sold
them
at
about
25
to
40
percent
of
the
fair
market
value.
E
E
The
board
had
to
be
persuaded
to
do
this
and
they're
allowing
a
proposal
to
sell
the
property
within
30
days,
in
addition
to
the
property
being
sold.
It
can
also
be
exchanged,
so
that's
another
Avenue
that
can
be
approached.
E
E
However,
the
Community
Development
block
grant
Pro
money
is
vital
and
all
funds
received
should
be
utilized
and
currently
we're
using
those
funds
to
work
on
upgrading
and
adding
new
parks,
improving
the
lighting
through
this
throughout
the
city
and
approving
the
trail.
E
For
land
bank,
there
is
an
issue
where
we
currently
don't
have
any
marketing
there
is,
and
because
of
this,
there
is
untapped
potential
for
the
land
bank,
as
real
estate
developers
have
expressed
more
interest
than
currently
meets
our
attention
right
now
and
they've
reached
out
to
us
and
speaking
again,
engagements
and
Via
social
media
expressing
interest
in
these
properties.
E
Community
redevelopment
is
currently
working
to
address
the
marketing
issue
and
the
land
bank
authority
of
us
also
acquire
more
property
to
meet
the
demand
the
land
bank
is
currently
underutilized.
However,
community
redevelopment
does
have
a
vision
to
remedy,
to
remedy
this,
and
that's
probably
through
marketing
and
reaching
out
to
develop
to
developers
through
various
Avenues.
B
Yes,
councilor
Tucker.
Y
I
know
it
probably
takes
some
time
I'm,
not
sure,
but
I
would
like
to
hear
what
the
vision
is
to
remedy
the
underutilized
underused.
Utilizing
the
landmark
Authority
I'm
sure
that
the
director
is
it
possible
City
Manager
for
us
to
put
this
on
the
agenda
for.
Y
Y
I
think
it'd
be
good
for
all
of
us
to
hear
I
know.
Councilor
Begley
had
eventually
he
was
working
on
a
presentation
and
maybe
hearing
what
director
Rob
Scott
has
in
mind
for
the
land
bank
I
think
that'll
help
us
determine
the
direction
and
probably
help
you
with
your
presentation
as
well
sure
Council
bill.
W
Beckley
a
couple
of
questions:
you
mentioned
the
incidents
where
multiple
properties
were
purchased
under
the
same
contract.
W
I
guess
my
understanding
is
that
when
you
do
this
multiple
properties
under
one
contract,
that's
you
can
have
issues
right,
because
people
can
just
try
to
buy
it
and
they
just
keep
the
the
great
ones
and
then
kind
of
don't
worry
about
the
bad
ones.
Are
there
what
are
the
advantages
of
having
multiple
properties
under
one
contract
in
this
scenario,
or
are
there
any.
E
I'm
I'm
thinking
it's
just
a
I,
I
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
about
that,
but
it
probably
has
to
do
with
just
disposing
of
the
properties.
I.
AF
AF
AG
P
P
Yeah
and
and
that's
something
that
I
would
really
ask
Mr
Mayor
director
Rob
Scott
to
answer,
and
we
can
answer
it
today
or
when
he
comes
back.
P
And
so,
when
you
put
multiple
projects
together
and
you
have
one
that
creates
a
problem
and
then
you
gotta,
it
says
resulting
in
the
return
of
all
funds
that
got
my
attention,
and
so
we
just
we
just
got
to
be.
When
we
deal
with
federal
dollars
period,
we've
got
to
be
very
particular
and
we
got
to
be
very
careful,
but
I
don't
know
if
Rob
Scott
would
want
to
respond
today
or
just
respond
at
a
different.
He
said
he's
here.
P
Why
don't
we
just
make
a
note
of
that
mayor
and
we
will
have
him
to
respond
to
that.
Okay,.
B
W
Did
have
a
second
question
and
I
you
know,
Land
Bank
must
acquire
more
property
to
meet
the
demand.
Do
you
have
any
suggestions
for
how
the
land
bank
Authority?
Are
they
getting
all
the
information
they
need,
or
is
there
anything
you
would
suggest
to
get
make
sure
they
are
they
getting
all
the
information
they
need
and
if
not,
do
you
have
any
suggestions
to
help
them
get
their
information
a
more
timely
basis.
E
I
believe
right
now,
community
redevelopment
is
working
on
putting
applications
online
to
re
so
that
developers
can
access
them
and
I
guess
Once
Upon
filling
those
out.
We
could
probably
answer
some
of
the
questions
for
the
developers,
but
I
don't
other
than
that
I'm,
not
sure
about
any
additional
suggestions.
W
So
to
clarify
I
think
that
would
be
the
land
bank
working
with
the
buyer.
I
guess
on
some
of
this,
like
the
the
343
known
properties.
Are
they
getting
do
they
have
an
updated
list
of
that
in
a
timely
manner?
Or
do
you
have
any
suggestions
to
make
sure
that
they
they've
got
that
possible
inventory
available
when
they
need.
E
It
I
don't
believe
that
that
343
and
community
redevelopment
will
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
don't
believe
that
that
those
343
properties
are
on
some
sort
of
list
that
developers
can
access
right
now
at
the
moment,
okay,.
AH
Thank
you,
mayor
I'm,
the
city
manager
use
the
word
sensitive
I'm.
Looking
at
this
number
two
on
the
recommendations
and
it
seems
to
me
it
appears
to
me
that
it's
a
very
sensitive
issue
is
stated
that
it's
a
priority
on
there
I'm
I'm,
guessing
that
we're
under
a
watchful
eye
when
it
comes
to
federal
funds
that
you
know
I'm
again
guessing
that
periodically.
AH
You
know
people
drop
by
to
take
a
look
at
matters
when
it
pertains
to
the
funds
and
and
granted
I
think
this
is
a
transitional
audit,
so
I
think
some
of
these
issues
may
be
inherited.
I'm
assuming
they've
been
inherited,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
we
need
to
take
action
on
number
two
and
it
looks
like
it's
a
priority
as
far
as
reconciliation
so
I
get.
My
question
is:
is
there
a
timeline
on
this
I?
AH
Don't
even
know
if
we're
out
I'm
looking
at
this
and
it,
and
it
suggests
to
me
that
we're
out
of
compliance
I,
don't
know
if
there's
timelines
on
these
matters,
I
don't
know
if
you're
penalized,
I
don't
know
if
they
give
you
a
time
frame
to
get
it
straightened
out.
But
it
looks
like
we
need
to
bring
in
some
help
to
try
to
reconcile
this
matter
and
get
updated.
I
I,
don't
know
if
everybody
else
is
reading
it
the
same
way
I
am.
AH
AD
Became
aware
of
this
during
field
work,
when
the
Oddity
had
asked
us
to
consider
in
our
transitional
work
the
monitoring
visit
that
they
had
in
August
through
September
late
August
early
September
of
22,
and
it
was
actually
fortunate
for
us
coming
in
doing
transitional
auditing
in
that.
Basically,
someone
from
the
federal
Hood
unit
had
sort
of
beaten
us
to
the
punch
a
little
bit
and
they
don't
come
out
to
monitor
every
year.
AD
I'm
sure
that
one
of
the
reasons
that
they
came
to
monitor
was
that
we'd
had
a
fairly
significant
turnover
and
staff
in
the
department,
and
they
probably
really
had
not
been
there
in
a
number
of
years,
and
they
had
noted
that
the
Caper
reports
that
are
turned
in
each
year.
You
know
that
that's
a
financial
community-oriented
report
that
they
file
each
year
they
could
tell
from
the
financials
in
that
report
against
the
federal
accounting
systems
and
the
idea
system.
They
knew
that
there
was
a
Reconciliation
problem
and
it
was
cited
in
their
monitoring
report.
AD
Now,
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
when
we
looked
at
that
monitoring
report.
It
noted
a
number
of
other
findings
concerns
that
largely
dealt
with
the
documentation
of
policies
and
procedures,
or
you
know
the
records
that
might
be
kept
for
a
particular
program,
and
we
were
pleased
delighted
for
the
team
in
that
they
had
knocked
it
pretty
much
all
out
of
the
park,
anything
that
they
could
have
knocked
out
of
the
park
they
already
had.
AB
P
AH
You
mentioned
monitoring
the
report
right.
AB
AD
AD
I
believe
the
report
probably
was
issued
a
bit
after
the
visit.
The
monitoring
visit
itself
was
late,
August
early
September,
around
Labor
Day
of
22
and
I
believe
it
was
a
couple
of
months
later,
probably
closer
to
maybe
October
or
November,
when
they
actually
issued
a
report
that
summarized
what
they
discovered,
what
they
learned
in
their
visit
and
the
team
really
has
done
a
yeoman's
job
they've
been
all
over
it
as
far
as
addressing
the
the
items
that
they
certainly
could.
This
is
the
last
kind
of
remaining
trouble
spot.
Do.
AD
AH
AD
AH
P
Mayor
I
will
have
a
conversation
with
the
deputy
city
manager
over
that
area
and
Mr
Rob
Scott,
but-
and
so
yes
to
your
to
answer
your
question,
but
I
will
say
to
you
whether
it's
Community
reinvestment,
cdbg,
Home
Metro,
or
whether
it's
a
Workforce
investment
or
other
Federal
programs.
Many
of
the
grants
that
go
to
the
courts
they
monitor
on
a
regular
basis
and
and
when
they
come
down
to
monitor
whether
it's
Community
reinvestment
or
the
others,
It's
Not
Unusual,
and
they
don't
just
send
the
report
to
them.
P
So
I
don't
know
exactly
what
report
you
saw
or
this
number
two
I'm,
assuming
that
the
director
has
had
a
chance
to
see
your
findings
yes
and
has
had
a
chance
to
respond.
Absolutely.
AD
P
P
Okay,
so,
but
typically
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
it's
not
unusual
that
when
those
monitors
come
down,
I
used
to
be
a
monitor
in
my
early
career
in
a
in
a
federal
state
program,
but
they
come
down
and
they
they
do
the
review.
They
send
the
findings
and
then
they
give
you
30
days
to
respond
to
the
findings
you
go
in
and
you
clean
it
up.
P
P
AH
Well
and
then
you
know
you
mentioned
that
there's
other
funds
falling
through
other
departments,
so
right
now,
you're
telling
us
that
it's
your
understanding,
there's
everything's,
been
cleared.
There's
no
other
findings
anywhere
else
that
we
need
to
address
and
I'm
thinking.
If
we
we
need
to
bring
in
some
assistance,
if
there
are,
then
we
can
address
all
those
at
once
if,
if
needed,
but
you
know
I'm
I'm
totally
speaking
from
just
you
know,
just
trying
to
get
a
a
quick
look
at
this
well
and
just
letting.
P
I'm
not
going
to
suggest
at
this
moment
until
I
have
a
conversation
with
the
deputy
city
manager
and
that
director
as
to
whether
we
need
to
hire
a
consultant
to
do
something
or
if
it's
something
that
we
can
simply
clear
up
as
as
staff,
and
when
you
say
whether
there
are
other
findings.
You
know
there.
There
is
one
that
we're
still
dealing
with
in
community
reinvestment.
I,
don't
know
that
it's
mentioned
in
this
report
and
I
shared
with
you
some
time
ago.
P
Where
and
it's
long
before
this
current
director,
it
goes
back
to
2015
to
2017
where
there
was
one
document
missing
and
then
we
were
asked
to
pay
back
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
and
because
that
one
document
and
then
I
think
we
paid
the
money
back.
But
then
they
said
well,
no,
it's
going
to
be
200
000.
and
so
we're
going
back
and
forth
with
them.
P
P
You
know,
in
other
words,
you
know
we're
not
getting
the
response
that
we
need
to
get
you
know.
Maybe
the
mayor
in
the
city
manager
needs
to
sign
a
letter
and
send
it,
and
if
that
doesn't
get
it,
maybe
we
need
to
talk
to
some
Congressional
members
because
they
have
relationships
with
hood,
for
example.
So
you
know
and
I
have
this
conversation
last
week,
so
we
will
determine
whether
we
get
to
that
next
step.
But
so
that's
one
lingering
matter
that
we're
dealing
with
when.
AH
AH
P
AH
P
Hopeful
that
I
have
I
just
received
this
document,
as
you
did
that
he
has
responded
to
this
fan
and
the
auditor
just
indicated
he
has
responded
in
this
document
and
so
I
want
to
see
his
response
and
then
I
will
meet
with
him
yeah
we
will
I
will
share
with
you
after
okay
I.
AI
S
Thank
you
a
lot
of
times
when
we
have
a
report
from
the
internal
auditor
we
have,
the
department
head,
come
and
speak
to
us
and
so
I'd
like
to
invite
Rob
up
if
he
has
something
to
say.
Thank
you.
S
AJ
Good
morning,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
internal
auditor
for
the
auditing
process.
She
was
very
helpful
in
helping
us
to
see
some
of
the
things
some
of
the
highlighting
some
of
the
successes
when
you're
working
and
work
that
we
do.
You
don't
necessarily
understand
the
impact
until
you
start
discussing
it
and
sharing
it
with
those
who
are
not
necessarily
in
the
know
of
what
you
do.
So
it
was
very
important
and
impactful
on
the
work
that
she
did
and
we're
very
pleased
to
have
her
review.
Our
department.
AJ
I'm
not
prepared,
so
we
can
come
back
as
a
city
manager
suggested
and
have
conversations
once
we
once
we
are
appropriate.
Thank
you.
Y
Yes,
this
is
actually
with
the
exception
of
the
finding
number
two.
The
audit
appears
to
be
great
I.
Do
like
the
fact
that
the
director
has
done
this
360
degree
feedback,
it's
something
that
I
would
actually
like
to
see
throughout
the
city
regarding
evaluations,
I'm,
not
sure
what
all
departments
do
evaluations,
city
manager,
but
I
thought
that
that
was
a
good
addition
for
him
to
actually
do
that
in.
Y
Regarding
the
because
I
read
the
responses
before
I
came
to
council
over
the
weekend
and
on
response
on
the
findings
number
two,
the
counselor
Davis
is
mentioning
director.
Rob
Scott
said
that
he
wholeheartedly
agrees
that
further
attention
should
be
given
to
aligning
our
City's
accounting
system
with
the
federal
counterpart
and
considering
the
complexity
involves
basically
needing
additional
assistance.
So
with
that
being
said,
exactly
what
councilor
Davis
mentioned
with
having
a
consultant
that
understands
HUD
systems
would
possibly
be
needed.
I
mean
it
was
mentioning
in
this
and
I'm
sure.
Y
Y
Only
reason
why
I'm
saying
that,
because
it
has
been
really
over
a
year
since
that
process,
so
if
we
could
bring
it
back,
you
know,
at
least
by
the
second
Tuesday
in
October,
because
we
won't
be
good
stewards.
B
Y
AH
Jennifer
Davis
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
say,
even
though
having
questions
and
looking
at
this
document,
I
do
want
to
say
director,
Scott
I
think
this
is
concur
with
my
colleagues.
You
know
for
the
most
part,
it's
good.
It's
a
good
report,
so
I
just
want
to
note
that,
on
the
record,
even
though
we
have
some
questions
of
things
that
need
to
be
potentially
dealt
with,
thank
you.
AD
It
if
I
could
conclude
thank
you
for
all
your
questions
and
and
your
your
input
at
the
back
of
your
PowerPoint
presentation.
We
just
wanted
to
share
some
of
the
impact.
AD
The
the
spirit
of
this
small
team,
very
small
and
mighty
that
they're
making
an
over-the-top
impact
in
the
community
you've
got
to
have
a
missional
heart
to
work
in
this
area,
and
you
can
see
some
evidence
here.
We
wanted
to
just
show
everyone,
just
the
impact
they're
making
the
lives
they're
touching,
and
you
you
have
to
have
that
passion
for
your
community
to
to
serve
and
serve
well
in
this
department.
I
was
very
impressed
by
the
the
degree
of
of
performance
appraisal,
the
the
spirit
that
they
bring
to
their
task.
X
B
D
AH
Thank
you,
mayor,
I'm,
going
to
ask
for
a
two-week
delay.
Continuing
delay.
There's
been
some
still
some
matters
that
have
been
discovered
that
the
a
talk
with
both
of
representing
parties
on
this,
the
applicant
and
others
in
the
office,
Park
and
they've
all
agreed.
They
want
to
continue
to
sit
down
and
see
if
they
can
work
to
a
some
kind
of
a
common
agreement
here
and-
and
so
that's
that's,
my
reasoning
for
asking
the
for
a
two-week
delay
continued.
B
AA
Mr
Mayor
I
would
like
a
little
more
explanation
of
what
this
is
and
what
it
means
and
how
it
will
work
and
all
of
those
kinds
of
things.
Okay,.
X
Basically,
we
are
attempting
to
make
the
plan
absolutely
clear
that
quadro's
qualified
Domestic
Relations
orders,
where
a
judge
comes
in
and
orders
an
ex-spouse
who
is
not
a
beneficiary
to
be
treated
as
a
beneficiary.
Those
are
not
required
for
governmental
plans.
The
language
in
our
plan
indicated
that
it
was
never
intended
to
be
required,
and
we
just
want
to
clarify
that,
so
that
folks,
who
have
Domestic
Relations
issues,
work
them
out
between
the
parties
and
the
pension
benefits.
Folks,
don't
get
involved
in
having
to
resolve
domestic
disputes.
Basically.
AA
X
X
X
B
S
X
S
P
Mr
Hughley,
Mr,
Mayor
I,
don't
think
the
HR
Director
has
any
further
comments
and
and
sometimes
Madam
City
attorney.
It
could
be
a
matter
where
there's
more
than
one
former
spouse
and
and
so
there
could
be
one
two
or
three
former
and
then
there's
a
maybe
some
dispute
over
whether
when
or
the
second
one
or
the
third
one,
and
so
we're
just
trying
to
clean
it
up
that
we
don't
get
involved
in
all
of
the
domestic.
Is
that
right
right.
X
AB
B
We
all
can
vote
on
it,
but
assistant
City
attorney.
If
you
would
go
ahead
and
walk
through
the
sure
what
those
grants.
X
Are
basically,
these
are
two
separate
FAA
grants,
one
to
improve
taxiway
F
in
the
amount
of
approximately
1.9
million
dollars
and
one
to
improve
runway
0624
for
approximately
1.1
million
dollars?
And
this
is
all
federally
funded
and
the
city
simply
has
to
be
the
sponsor
for
the
airport
commission
to
be
able
to
receive
these
grants.
G
AK
G
So
I've
noted
Council
Davis.
AH
Yeah
Mississippi
manager
in
light
of
I,
know,
there's
a
lot
of
things
happening
around
the
country,
whether
it's
economic
conditions,
business
related
business
decisions,
just
adjustments
and
things
being
made.
We
haven't
had
any
updates
recently
from
a
lot
of
our
commissions
authorities
and
so
forth,
and
recently
we
had
asked
the
Development
Authority
to
report
on
a
regular
basis,
I
think
in
in
light
of
just
flipping
through
the
charter.
AH
Recently
I've
noticed
that
it
re
it
requires
that
we're
supposed
to
get
annual
or
periodic
updates
from
whether
it's
commissions
or
authorities
or
any
other
boards
and
things
of
that
nature.
You
know
it.
It
just
crossed
my
mind
that,
with
a
lot
of
things
happening
here
and
not
really
going
into
detail
with
these
requests
on
grants,
could
we
just
start
making
sure
that
we
get
some
updates?
AH
B
Okay,
I
think
that
takes
care
of
the
city,
attorney's
agenda,
we'll
move
on
to
the
public
agenda
and
remember
those
of
you
that
appear
on
the
public
agenda.
You've
got
five
minutes,
unfortunately,
we're
not
trying
to
be
rude,
but
at
the
end
of
five
minutes
to
be
consistent,
we
will
ask
you
to
take
a
seat
if
you're
not
completed.
If
you
haven't
completed
your
comments,
you're
welcome
to
come
back
at
the
end
of
the
clerk's
agenda,
so
the
first
individual
we've
got
Miss
Sherry
Harris
regarding
Animal
Welfare.
B
V
AL
On
August
the
3rd
there
was
a
dog
and
you'll
see
it
on
the
front
of
your
agenda.
When
you
get
it,
this
dog's
name
is
Chester
and
at
two
o'clock
in
the
afternoon
he
was
euthanized
and
at
2
14
the
rescue
that
we
had
been
attempting
to
get
to
help
gotta
Foster
and
call
them.
But
he's
14
minutes
too
late
and
the
the
biggest
thing
about
that
is.
AL
AL
So
they'll
have
it
on
record,
and
basically
it
says
that
for
the
welfare
of
the
animals,
we
would
like
to
present
the
no
kill
equation,
which
is
11
steps
that
the
city
manager
can
take
to
make
our
city
a
no-kill
and
I
say
our
city,
because
even
though
I
live
in
Alabama
I'd
come
and
get
those
dogs
from
cacc.
AL
Just
like
everybody
else,
it's
a
local
area
initiative
rescues
and
animal
lovers
in
Alabama
and
Georgia
come
and
help
cacc
with
their
animals
and
trying
to
find
homes
for
them
and
the
things
that
I
just
wanted
to
point
out.
We
do
some
things.
Well,
we
have
a
TNR
which
is
the
the
cat,
help
the
the
feral
cat,
spay
and
neuter
program.
We
have
low-cost
spay
and
neuter
things
we
don't
have
are
Foster
Care
coming
straight
out
of
the
facility.
AL
There
are
11
steps
and
they're
included
in
your
package
and
with
those
11
steps.
If
they're
all
implemented,
we
can
be
no
kill.
It's
happened
in
many
many
states
across
the
United
States.
It
can
happen
here
in
the
larger
document
which
I'm
going
to
give
to
the
deputy
clerk.
There
is
a
an
example
in
Florida
that
is
very
similar
to
cacc
that
they
were
successful
and
they've.
Given
us
there
that
we
had
a
consultant
come
in
and
give
us
ideas
about
things
we
could
do
and
how
we
could
implement
this.
AL
So
I
implore
you
to
please
take
a
look
at
the
larger
document,
it'll
be
on
file
and
consider
the
benefits
not
only
to
cacc
and
the
animals,
but
to
the
community
at
large,
because
people's
hearts
break
every
time.
We
have
to
kill
an
animal
and
we
want
to
do
everything
we
can
to
save
them
animals.
So
that's
what
I
have
for
you.
B
D
AL
AL
Up
to
that
time,
and
the
other
thing
that
would
help
is
if
we
had
a
longer
day,
people
get
off
work
at
five
o'clock
and
they
close
at
five
o'clock.
So
nobody
has
the
opportunity
to
go
in
and
be
able
to
actually
see
the
animals
do
a
meet
and
greet
in
the
evening
time,
and
so
that
leaves
a
very
limited
amount
of
time.
They
have
to
be
able
to
rescue
dogs
for
the
for
the
community
at
large.
Well,.
Y
Yes,
this
question
was
just
for
the
city
manager.
I
know
that
they
extended
the
hours
on
Wednesday.
Well,
I,
guess
it'll
be
HR,
Public
Works!
Y
P
Mayor
I
can
certainly
take
a
look
and
see
if
that's
if
we
have
an
opportunity
to
do
that.
Okay,.
H
Councilor
Davis
and
I
and
I
hope,
I
hope
you
don't
mind
me
mentioning
this,
but
counselor
Davis
and
I
stopped
by
Animal
Control
earlier
this
week,
just
to
kind
of
see
you
know
we
get
inundated
by
a
lot
of
messages
from
a
lot
of
Advocates
and
activists,
and
you
know
and
we're
trying
to
abide
by
state
and
federal
laws,
and
so
there
just
seems
to
be
a
little
bit
after
talking
with
some
of
the
staff
and
and
some
volunteers
that
they're.
AB
H
Best
that
they
can
and
I
know,
council
is
doing
the
best
that
we
can,
but
is
there
as
we
approach
mid,
mid
budget
cycle
and
even
Beyond?
Is
there
a
way
that
seems
I,
guess
what
seems
to
be
one
of
the
glaring
holes?
H
If
you
will
that
we
just
have
this
lack
of
communication
of
between
the
public
and
the
animal
control
and
so
they're
busy,
because
they're
in
taking
animals
I
mean
I
think
when
we
were
there,
they
said
the
day
before
they
had
16
or
20
intakes,
which
is
a
lot,
especially
if
you're.
If
you've
looked
at
the
animal
control
Facebook
page
yesterday,
they
only
had
two
open
runs,
so
you
know
they're
juggling
animals.
There's
animals
walking
around
outside.
H
You
know
they're
doing
the
best
that
they
can
with
what
they've
got,
but
I
think
we
need
to
do
a
better
job
as
a
city
consolidating
How,
We,
Do
public
relations,
so
that
we
can
help
Animal
Control
get
the
word
out
other
than
just
updating
the
Facebook
page.
They
they
just.
They
can't
do
it
all,
and
you
know
there's
only
three
or
four
people
in
there
who
are
in
taking
in
taking
animals
and
I
mean
I.
H
Have
three
dogs
of
my
own
and
I
can
assure
you
that
that
is
more
than
enough
and
and
I
have
a
hard
time
with
with
just
three
and
so
when
you're
talking
about
I,
think
between
Paws
and
animal
control.
I
think
we
were
talking
about.
60
runs,
that's
a
lot
of
runs
per
ratio
of
people,
and
so,
if
we
expect
them
to
get
the
information
out
to
the
public,
that's
a
little
bit
of
an
unrealistic
expectation
for
for
them
and
then
for
us.
H
So
if
we
can
go
forward,
I
know
that
we
have
several
public
relations.
People
within
the
city.
Maybe
we
can
consolidate
and
and
help
Animal
Control
at
least
want
to
update
their
websites
and
their
Facebook
page,
and
for
I
mean
this
is
a
pun,
so
wait
for
it,
throw
them
around
and
and
and
lend
a
hand
a
little
bit
so
I'd
like
to
see
that
moving
forward.
So.
Y
Yes,
I
wanted
to
thank
the
young
lady
out
in
the
audience
she
was
like
they're
open
on
Saturday
I've
received,
so
many
phone
calls
and
I
don't
think
and
exactly
that's
probably
why?
Because
of
the
marketing
and
PR,
but
I,
do
appreciate
appreciate
the
wtvm
segment
where
they
have
the
adoptables.
But
it's
open
ten
to
five
is
that
every
Saturday.
Y
A
week
six
days
a
week,
yeah
and
I
and
I
want
to
appreciate
you
all,
and
it's
it's
really
sad
but
coming
from
church.
It
was
a
and
I
know
that
we
have
a
problem
with
people,
breeding
pits,
pit,
bulls
and
I've
talked
to
director
short
about
this.
But
it
was
a
huge
pit.
Bull
like
right
outside
the
church
that
just
you
know,
but
I
called,
and
somebody
came
out.
So
please
let
them
know.
Thank
you
for
that,
and.
AH
Thank
you,
mayor,
councilor
kogel,
since
you
brought
it
up.
I
guess:
I'll
have
my
comments,
but
we
we
did
go
out
there
for
various
reasons
we
have
been
seeing
hearing.
You
know
I,
guess
conversation
out
in
the
community
of
various
issues
and
we
wanted
to
go
put
an
eye
on
I,
believe
and
see
him
feel
it
touch
it.
You
know
and
seeing
it
we
both
went
to
the
animal,
shelter,
City's
animal
shelter
and
we
went
to
Paul's
and
and
and
I'll
be
honest
with
you.
They
both
mirrored
each
other.
AH
They,
it
seemed
like
Paul's
had
more
volunteers,
our
animal
shelter
didn't,
but
they
were
certainly
clean
in
order.
I
didn't
see
anything
that
that
looked
bad.
What
really
struck
me,
though,
was
you
know
you
look
at
all
the
breeds
in
there
and
I've
seen.
A
lot
of
them
seem
to
be
the
same,
but
it
just
seems
what
what
struck
me
was
the
challenges,
the
societal
challenges
that
are
happening
today
in
the
world
and
in
our
country,
okay,
and
when
I
look
at
our
staff
and
city
manager.
AH
When
I
look
at
our
staff
in
the
building
over
there,
they've
inherited
one
huge
challenge
and
it's
not
their
to
their
fault.
It's
not
their
calls.
They
just
have
to
manage
it.
That
is
one
heck
of
a
challenge
to
manage
and
then
I'm
starting
to
see
I
think
recently
in
questioning
the
amount
the
numbers
of
in
I
guess
you
call
it
intake
that
are
coming
in
has
been
extremely
high
and
then
I'm
starting
to
think
of.
What's
going
on
in
the
country.
It's
not
just
Columbus
Georgia.
AH
AH
Why
do
people
keep
doing
things
that
are
causing
these
problems?
A
mass
breeding,
the
not
spaying
and
neutering
that
the
things
the
irresponsibilities
that
are
out
there
with
people
in
general?
It's
it's
people
not
doing
the
right
things
with
these
animals
and
then
director
short,
your
staff
inherits
it.
I
I
saw
these
animals
being
loved
and
taken
care
of.
Okay.
Now
contradictory
to
probably
what
what
I'm
saying
a
lot
of
people
wouldn't
agree
with
that,
but
that's
okay
I'm
just
reporting
of
what
what
I
saw
that
day
but
I
do
know.
People
are
not
adopting.
AH
People
are
actually
surrendering
they're,
giving
back
I'm
wondering
if
it's
economic
conditions
now
I'm
wondering
if
people
are
challenged,
they're
having
to
make
tough
decisions,
I
don't
know
what
it
is,
but
I
do
know
that.
There's
a
mass
amount
of
animals
being
surrendered
and
push
back
on
to
communities
or
cities
or
municipalities
out
there
like
never
before,
and
you
know
it
hurts
me
sometimes
to
hear
some
of
the
comments
made
towards
the
staff
about.
AH
AH
But
you
know:
I
I
do
at
the
end
of
the
day,
find
some
kind
of
comfort
in
the
professionals
knowing
that
it's
humanely
handled
and-
and
you
know
hoping
that
that
I
just
trust
that
these
situations
are
handled,
I
feel
like
they're
being
handled
appropriately,
but
I,
don't
know
if
we
talk
enough.
The
communication
is
key
here
of
getting
the
message
out
a
lot
of
times.
We
just
say
the
same
words
over
and
over,
and
we
may
not
be
getting
a
message
out,
but
this
our
municipality,
our
city,
is
under
state
and
federal
regulations.
AH
I,
don't
know
you
know
a
lot
of
times.
The
fight
is
directed
right
here.
It
seems
like
and
the
challenges,
but
maybe
it
should
be
held
somewhere
else
because
they're,
the
ones
that
are
right
in
the
walls
that
this
municipality
in
the
city
has
to
abide
by
and
then
the
staff
has
no
other
recourse
but
to
follow
those.
AH
Or
else
you
I
guess
you're
going
to
have
to
deal
with
the
raft
of
the
the
state
and
federal
government,
but
I
did
want
to
say
that
and
what
what
I
saw
and
what
I'm
seeing
and,
of
course,
that's
gonna
lead
to
when,
when
you
have
these
mass
number
of
animals
that
are
being
surrendered
and
you're
under
a
timeline,
it's
you
know,
people
get
real,
sensitive
and
rightfully
so
people
get
real
sensitive
about
it.
And
you
know
my
family,
my
children.
AH
They
all
have
a
dog
we're
maxed
out
on
adoptions,
and
you
know
we
have
our
animals
but
I
I,
don't
know
what
it
is,
but
it
just
seems
like
there's
a
massive
amount,
I
hate
to
use,
supply
and
demand
okay.
But
when
I
talk
about
numbers
when
you're
talking
about
numbers,
the
amount
of
animals
that
are
out
there,
but
there's
not
a
demand
to
adopt
these
animals
and
to
do
something
with
them
or
to
give
them
a
home,
provide
them
a
home.
What
do
you
do?
Yes,.
B
B
Yeah
we'll
continue
to
work
and
I
know.
Director
short
continues
to
work
and
looking
for
new
ways
to
try
to
address
some
of
these
problems.
We
communicate
with
some
of
the
folks
that
are
our
Avid
advocates
for
the
for
the
animals
in
our
community.
We're
going
to
continue
to
do
that
and
look
for
ways
that
we
can
make
a
difference
in.
What's
going
on.
M
B
P
M
P
But
I
want
you
to
come
in
and
reiterate
the
Saturday
or
the
hours
at
the
out
at
the
center
and
then
your
Communications
piece,
okay,.
M
So
Animal
Control
is
open
six
days
a
week
from
10
A.M
to
5
P.M.
Every
day
when
I
say
open
open
to
the
public
staff
starts
working
at
six
a.m:
cleaning
assessing
determining
waiting
on
the
vet
to
come
in
to
make
determinations
on
animals.
So
we
are
there
seven
days
a
week,
but
we
open
to
the
public
from
ten
to
five
Monday
through
Saturday
Sundays.
We
are
not
close.
We
are.
M
We
are
close
to
the
public,
but
we
are
doing
our
cleaning
and
making
sure
the
animals
are
okay
and
if
our
veterinarian
hasn't
come
in
comes
in
at
that
time.
So
technically
we're
there
seven
days
a
week
and
if
somebody
comes
and
knocks
on
the
door
and
they're
saying
they
want
their
animal,
they
know
that
it's
there
because
they
saw
it
on
our
website,
we're
going
to
give
it
to
them
right
then,
and
there
we're
not
going
to
hold
it
and
wait
until
Monday,
because
space
is
so
critical
for
us.
M
But
in
response
to
our
Communications
we
are
doing
a
lot
of
updates
with
our
website
we're
doing
a
lot
of
updates
with
our
Facebook
page.
If
you
go
online
now
you
can
actually
see
a
schematic
of
our
facility
and
it
will
tell
you
and
show
you
what's
open
and
what's
closed
as
far
as
the
runs
are
concerned.
So,
if
everyone
is
is
taken,
then
it's
going
to
be
read
across
the
board.
If
there's
a
red
or
a
black
dot
in
there,
a
black
dot
in
there.
M
B
Thanks
Trail,
all
right
next
is
Ms
Leah
Braxton
regarding
Smith
road
condition,
with
railroad
crossings
and
roadway
debris.
J
B
AM
AB
AM
An
almond
Ridge
Plantation
for
about
eight
years
and
I'm
joined
here
today
with
with
residents
from
Ivy
Park
Place
in
the
country
in
Woodridge
Heights.
So
we
do
have
multiple
folks
here
for
representation
for
our
community
out
there
and
I
would
like
to
discuss
the
Smith,
Road
railroad
tracks
and
the
condition
of
the
roadway
out
in
that
area.
So,
regarding
the
railroad
tracks
regarding
the
railroad
tracks
as
I
understand
these,
this
Crossing
does
not
meet
dot
or
Norfolk
Southern
standards.
AM
I
recall
when
it
was
put
in
bumpy
bumpy,
like
what
the
heck
are,
they
thinking
and
what
I
was
told
is
more
Folks.
Southern
doesn't
have
to
answer
to
anybody.
So
live
with
it.
It
doesn't
seem
right.
There's
water,
runoff
from
the
Quarry
that
undermines
those
railroad
tracks.
The
the
road
as
I
understand
those
big
trucks,
the
the
dot
came
down
and
said
you
can't
any
longer
put
those.
AM
AM
I've
spoken
to
several
of
you
on
Council
I've
spoken
to
department,
heads
Etc,
and
regarding
that
this
is
the
railroad
tracks
that
you
can
see.
Actually
I
know
the
city's
done
some
work
recently
on
putting
the
there
was
actually
a
big
hole
and
they
did
put
do
some
work
either
them
or
Norfolk.
Southern
did
some
work.
AM
You
can
see
that
ditch
is
full
of
this
concrete
dust.
So
it's
just
instead
of
falling
into
the
little
system
that
they've
built
on
the
right
side
of
the
road
the
roads
tilted
like
this.
So
when
the
water
comes
down,
it's
not
really
going
into
their
system
is
coming
out
into
the
city
street.
It's
going
down
another
couple
hundred
feet
and
it's
going
into
those
railroad
tracks.
Look
at
that
cross
tie
right
there
at
the
track.
It
appears
to
just
be
been.
AM
You
know
it
needs
somebody
to
take
a
look
at
it
and
so
I,
just
I
think
it's
a
difficult
situation
there
that
we
would
like
to
elevate.
I've
talked
to
a
lot
of
people
over
the
many
many
years
I've
been
there.
I've
had
many
many
conversations
with
most
all
of
you,
but
the
times
now
and
I
would
like
really
to
come
to
before
you
and
say:
let's
do
something
to
this:
let's
do
something
for
these
issues
I'm
bringing
up
the
first.
AM
We
are
the
first
exit
that
that
interchange
at
Smith
Road
is
the
first
exit
entering
Muskogee
County
from
Harris
County.
It's
a
critical
Corridor
for
North
Columbus
and
Harris
County,
it's
a
residential
and
Commercial
traffic
and
we
need
to
learn
how
to
coexist.
I
certainly
understand
the
Quarry
has
a
right
to
operate
as
well
as
asphalt
plants
and
all
the
other
businesses
there.
AM
AM
Give
him
a
shout
out
for
his
car
wash
downtown
dirt
ruins
your
paint
so
that
that
is
an
issue
when
you
get
to
the
Smith
Road
near
the
stop
sign
at
Fortson,
Road,
see
again
just
dirt
all
over
the
roadway
I,
don't
even
if
I
had
I
have
a
new
grandbaby
and
so
I've
had
to
delete
some
pictures,
but
I
had
gazillions
of
pictures
of
this
road.
AM
You
know,
since
the
time
I've
lived
here
and
all
the
times
going
and
asking
people
to
to
clean
it
up,
but
anyway,
hopefully
this
pictures
are
worth
a
thousand
words
and
thank
you
for
putting
them
up.
I
do
appreciate
that.
So,
when
you
get
to
Smith
Road
near
the
stop
sign
at
Fortune
Road
as
those
trucks
slow
down
and
they're
loaded,
you
know
it's
100
degrees
in
the
summer.
AM
Here
it's
impacting
that
roadway,
so
we
don't
have
a
smooth
roadway
right
there
and
then,
as
you
turn
right
and
you
go
down
like
towards
the
Vulcan
entry
to
their
Rock
Quarry
it.
Actually,
if
you
go
down
that
road,
you
actually
get
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
road
which
I
realize
is
illegal,
but
I
know
I'm,
not
the
only
one
that
does
it
and.
AB
B
AM
Be
consistent,
I
understand
these
pictures
have
conveyed
it.
I
would
absolutely
like
to
just
say:
how
do
we
fix
this
problem?
How
would
the
city
step
up
and
be
amazing
at
solving
this.
P
Mayor,
let
me
just
thank
Ms
Braxton
for
coming
and
we
we
will
make
sure
the
staff
get
a
copy
of
those
photos
and
we'll
look
at
the
concerns
that
she's
pointed
out.
But
I
will
say.
I
know
that
councilor
Davis
brought
up
railroad
crossings
a
few
meetings
ago
and-
and
we
did
do
an
update
at
a
recent
meeting,
but
I
just
want
to
share
that.
P
We
I
did
have
a
meeting
last
week
or
week
before
with
a
representative
from
Norfolk
Southern
on
the
various
crossings
that
have
been
mentioned
by
you,
specifically
councilor
Davis
and
just
a
piece
of
good
news
is
that
they
are
they've
put
the
Ninth
Street
Crossing
in
motion
they've
gone
back
to
check
because
they
have
to
budget
these
things.
P
But
he
texted
me
back
and
says
he
got
budget
approval
for
the
9th
Street
in
the
23
budget
and
they're
trying
to
find
a
contractor
now
and
and
get
get
it
scheduled,
and
he
did
indicate
they're
going
to
have
to
shut
down
the
whole
Crossing.
Most
likely
I
just
share
that
with
you,
and
but
he
did
want
me
to
share
that
with
with
you,
and
we
did
ask
him
to
look
at
the
yard
in
terms
of
cleaning
up.
P
Y
Yes,
I
wanted
to
ask
the
City
attorney
only
because
I
receive
a
phone
call
recently
in
reference
to
damage
to
a
vehicle
from
going
over
the
tracks.
Are
we
liable
as
a
city
when
they
actually
like,
if
they
they
mess
up
their
car
when
they're
going
over
these
railroad
tracks,.
X
I
do
not
believe
the
city
would
be
liable,
except
in
very
unusual
circumstances
where
the
city
had
received
a
report,
and
the
city
had
responsibility
for
the
maintenance
of
the
track,
which
typically
The
Well
Company
does
and
not
the
city.
AH
Right,
Council
Davis.
Thank
you
mayor
the
city
manager.
Thanks.
Thank
you
for
the
your
comments
in
the
update,
Ms
Braxton.
Thank
you
for
coming
today
and,
and
we
did
have
a
work
session,
the
the
last
meeting
we
had
here
and
we
talked
about
several
of
these
crosses.
But,
as
you
can
see,
you
can
see
some
of
the
photos
that
were
put
up
here
today.
It's
the
roads
out
there
are
deteriorating
and
I
get
the
calls
from
my
constituents
all
the
time
whether
it's
damaged
windshields
or
problems
with
the
The
Crossing.
AH
That
intersection
at
wool
Ridge
and
Fortson,
Road
and
and
Smith
Road
is,
is
deteriorating
rapidly
and
and
reasonably
with
all
the
trucks
and
the
heavy
traffic
out
there
they're
very
active
quarries,
and
certainly
the
the
railroads
use
that
quarry
quite
often
to
to
haul
materials.
AH
But
I
will
tell
you
in
working
on
the
zoning
many
years
back
of
the
Quarry
there
on
Smith
Road
I,
think
they
I
I
I'm,
not
sure
the
name
they
call
it
now
and
if
it's
changed
hands,
but
the
requirements
of
that
resulting
there's
requirements
in
there
they're
supposed
to
keep
that
road,
clean
water
down
brushed
is
not
supposed
to
be
like
that.
But
you
know
over
the
years
people
tend
to
get
a
little
bit
lazy.
AH
You
know
when
they
change
they
change
their
employees
and
and
and
their
management
they
just
tend
to.
You
know
we're
not
out
there
watching
all
the
time,
but
maybe
we
need
to
watch
a
little
bit
more,
but
it's
it's
bad.
It's
it's
getting
bad
and
and
just
needs
to
be
maintained,
because
it
is
in
violation
of
that
rezoning
and
and
essentially,
if
they
don't,
you
know
the
law
says
that
we
can
shut
them
down
until
they
until
they
get
it
right.
AH
I
mean
that's
what
the
law
says
am
I
right
from
the
city
manager,
when
it's
under
ordinance,
like
that,
in
a
condition
of
the
rezoning.
AH
It's
extreme,
but
that's
my
understanding
and
you
don't
I
mean
you
don't
have
to
answer
that
I'm
just
making
a
comment,
but
I
do
know.
It
applies
to
the
rezoning
of
the
co
and
doing
business
because
it
is
a
condition,
conditions,
an
ordinance,
ordinances
law,
so
they
need
to
follow
it.
These
citizens
ask
me
all
the
time.
That's
all
they
request,
but
they're
feeling
the
damage
to
their
personal
property
out
in
their
Community.
They
value
their
Community.
This
group
is
very
close-knit.
AH
That
area
out
there,
even
though
it's
further
out
on
the
city
limits
you
know
and
out
by
Harris
County
they're,
a
good
group
of
people.
They
they
love
their
community
and
and
they
want
to
do
whatever
they
can
to
to
help
out,
and
certainly
they
they
do
their
fair
share
and
all
they're
asking
is
that
that
you
know
we
keep
an
eye
on
some
of
the
challenges
that
they
deal
with.
Thank
you.
Man.
P
And
I
will
say
mayor
that
I
will
have
staff
to
pull
the
ordinance
look
at
the
ordinance
and
and
if
there
are
violations
like
what
the
counselor
has
referenced
in
terms
of
keeping
the
road
clear,
we'll
have
to
issue
them
a
citation.
So
we
will
take
a
look
at
what
the
one
that
says
and
we
will
enforce
it
all.
H
Or
in
reference
to
the
9th
Street,
while
they
are
still
looking
to
put
it
in
the
budget
and
I
know,
we
discussed
at
our
work
session
about
possibly
putting
a
Slowdown
or
a
rough
rough
road
edges
or
rough
road
ahead
or
rough
crack.
Crossing
ahead,
I
did
speak
with
got
after
our
or
representative
of
got,
I
should
say,
and
they
did
mention
that
that
was
a
fairly
easy
process
and
that
we
can
do
within
a
day
or
two
yeah.
P
B
AN
Talking
to
the
Mike
sir
Jonathan
Cole
in
the
state
of
residences,
Georgia
all.
D
AN
So
I'm
here
representing
calls
Tony
recovering.
We
hold
a
non-consensual
towing,
permit
I'm
gonna
use
the
acronym
NCT
as
we
go
through
this
I,
don't
have
to
say
nothing,
Central
Towing
the
entire
time.
AN
Basically,
NCT
is
when
we
tow
vehicles
off
private
property
from
the
private
property
owners
request,
and
we
follow
state
and
federal
procedures.
40-11
one
two
four
and
six
one
requirements
to
have
law
enforcement,
inspective
vehicles
and
complete
a
t-22b
form
once
filled
out.
We
start
the
process
with
Magistrate
Court
I've,
emailed
City
Council
on
the
Chain
email
I've
attached
the
mayor.
This
was
on
5
7
2023
regarding
my
complaint
to
no
avail.
So
here
we
are.
AN
My
issue
is
when
one
vehicle
comes
up
stolen,
that
we
remove
off
private
property
depending
on
what
officer
comes
they
remove
it
off
our
property
by
Griffin
Towing?
They
don't
pay
our
invoice
or
follow
our
check-in
procedure
on
9
5
23.
We
impounded
several
vehicles
from
Northgate
Village
and
Muskogee
County
School
District
called
us
for
abandoned
vehicle.
That
was
at
Midland
Middle
School.
It
was
a
Toyota
Tacoma.
We
followed
the
federal
procedure
and
officer
Reginald
Gordy
came
out.
We
advised
them
of
the
two
stolen
vehicles
and
proceeded
with
this
investigation.
AN
He
then
left
this
was
8
48
a.m.
The
stolen
Tacoma
was
on
our
property
and
the
stolen
Altima
CPD
contacted
the
owner
of
the
Tacoma
and
they
came
to
our
yard
to
retrieve
the
vehicle
fast
forward
to
6
PM
Sergeant
blanks
and
Sergeant
Bailey
come
to
remove
the
vehicle,
the
stolen
Altima.
Only
this
was,
after
our
business
hours,
nine
to
five
pm.
My
dispatcher
asked
for
them
to
come
back
the
next
day,
but
they
threatened
to
arrest
employees
and
get
a
search
warrant.
AN
So
my
Administrative
Assistant,
my
mother,
called
and
talked
to
the
officers
who
blocked
our
gate
for
hours
with
Squad
cards
and
two
Griffin
trucks
for
one
Nissan
Altima.
This
stopped
our
business.
Miss
Cole
then
leaves
home
to
handle
the
situation
she
arrived
and
both
sergeants
refused
to
have
Griffin
pay
for
the
vehicle
or
provide
us
with
insurance
information.
This
is
the
requirement
that
we
have
if
you
come
on
my
property.
So
if
you
damage
another
vehicle,
have
your
insurance
card,
which
has
happened
by
Griffin?
AN
They
hit
another
vehicle
while
removing
a
stolen
vehicle
for
our
profited.
So
when
you
come-
and
you
say,
hey
my
vehicle
wasn't
damaged
before
you
pick
it
up
now
we're
liable
for
a
vehicle.
They
have
damaged,
there's
nowhere
in
the
contract
or
the
law
that
states
all
stolen
vehicles
must
go
to
Griffin
tone.
AN
Actually,
the
contract
says
any
stolen
vehicle
told
at
the
request
of
law
enforcement
office
shall
be
considered
as
told
for
investigative
purposes.
I'll
stop
right
there.
These
weren't
requested
by
law
enforcement.
These
were
requested
by
private
property
and
I'll,
give
you
the
contract
that
city
council
signed
and
I'll
pass
that
around
for
you
at
the
end,
once
you
have
a
stolen
vehicle,
the
procedure,
the
federal
and
state
procedure
is
to
contact
the
customer,
the
lien
holder
by
certified
mail.
AN
The
cards
that
are
stolen
should
be
closed
in
the
system
like
they
have
in
the
past
and
they
should
be
recovered.
Griffin
has
2.2
acres
and
we
have
10.2
Acres
with
indoor
storage
approved
by
the
state
and
meet
all
Georgia
requirements
of,
and
also
all
the
requirements
of
the
city
contract.
We
can
store
over
3
000
Vehicles.
The
reason
they
don't
remove
the
trucks
off
of
your
Buena
Vista
Road
Walmart
and
the
O'reilly's
behind
there.
AN
They
don't
have
the
adequate
space
to
store
trucks
and
trailers,
but
when
it
comes
to
removing
a
vehicle
like
a
Nissan
Altima,
which
is
maybe
six
and
a
half
feet
long
and
weighs
three
thousand
pounds,
they
can
stack
those
in
those
2.2
Acres.
So
when
they
come
on
our
yard,
we
expect
them
to
follow
our
private
property
and
our
rules.
AN
They
follow
the
procedures
of
the
non-consensual
towing
and
they
notify
the
customer.
Customer
pays
them
for
a
job
that
my
company
does
there's
a
Max
rate
tariff
allotted
by
the
state
that
is
enforced.
I
have
all
these
on
the
exhibit.
Hopefully,
by
bringing
this
to
the
city's
attention,
we
can
Rectify
this
situation.
We
impound
thousands
of
vehicles.
If
you
look
across
the
street
when
you
leave
our
signs
are
at
your
library.
AN
We
have
over
a
hundred
NCT
contracts,
the
largest
in
Columbus
Georgia,
and
we
are
the
largest
non-commissioned
towing
company
in
the
Southeast,
no
state
or
County
contracts.
We
are
also
the
Sole
Provider
for
Muskogee
County,
School
District.
So
when
they
have
accidents,
CPD
doesn't
get
involved,
they
call
us
to
do
them.
I
was
really
bothered
by
the
way
the
CPD
handled
the
situation.
The
police
report,
which
I
have
States
none.
What
I
just
mentioned.
We
provide
over
20
jobs
and
pay
our
taxes
to
operate
our
business
in
this
city.
This
was
very
embarrassing
and
unsafe.
B
AO
P
Here,
I,
don't
know
the
details
of
the
situation.
This
Mr
Cole
is
is
talking
about.
I
was
just
going
to
confirm
that
you
know
we
do
an
RFP
for
a
towing
service
for
the
city
and
that
towing
service
is
with
Griffin
and
Griffin.
Towing
and
I.
P
Don't
know
the
details
of
what
you
were
talking
about
at
all
Mr
Cole,
but
I
I
only
have
to
and
I'm
assuming
that
when
it
comes
to
Towing
Vehicles,
the
CPD
or
the
Sheriff's
Office,
any
public
safety
are
going
to
call
Griffin
and
so
because
of
the
the
contract
agreement
that
we
have
with
Griffin
and
so
to
work
through
the
details
that
you're
talking
about
can't
be
done
here,
but
I
know.
The
City
attorney
will
be
happy
to
look
at
your
concern
and
certainly
I
will
be
happy
to
look
at
your
concern.
B
And
forth,
but
I
just
will
we're
hearing
a
lot
of
this
for
the
for
the
first
time.
There's
a
lot
of
different
details
of
moving
parts
to
this
I
know
the
chief
is
here
and
we
will
try
to
sit
down
and
figure
out
what
the
exact
procedure
is.
If
something
went
sideways
there
in
this
process,
maybe
it
didn't,
but
we
need
to
understand
the
process
a
little
bit
better.
City
attorney
I.
X
D
Y
I
was
going
to
say,
I
know,
I
had
to
have
a
conversation
with
Chief
Mathis
last
week
in
reference
to
that
incident
that
you're
talking
about
with
the
part
the
vehicle
on
your
at
your
location
and
the
anyway
the
whole
situation.
Y
It's
been
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
city
manager
regarding
the
Griffin
and
Griffin
contract
and
Mr,
Coles
and
I
do
think.
We
need
to
actually
clear
any
confusion,
one
of
the
things
that
one
of
the
complaints
that
I
actually
received
and
that's
why
I
said
I
know
it's
a
lot
of
back
and
forth,
but
it
was
actually
mentioned
about
codes
going
out
to
accidents
and
you
know
retrieving
the
vehicles
before
Griffin
Griffin
actually
gets
there.
D
Y
P
Well,
I
I,
don't
know
I
and
I've
had
the
conversation
with
the
mayor
and
and
to
your
point
about.
We
are
contracted
with
Griffin
and
Griffin
and
and
I
don't
want
to
make
this
long.
But
I
want
to
give
an
example:
I'm
on
Buena
Vista
Road,
getting
ready
to
turn
and
go
north
on
185
I
see
a
CPD
way
up
coming
from
the
cbnt
on
Buena
Vista
Road,
for
example,
and
I'm
wondering
you
know
they
come
in
our
turn
and
they
come
in
this
way.
P
So
I
crossed
Macon,
Road,
there's
an
accident
and
Kohl's
would
sit
in
there
and
I'm
wondering
you
know,
I
wonder
if
he
headed
to
this
accident
and
of
course,
traffic
was
backed
up
where
the
police
goes
past
me
and
he's
going
to
the
accident
and
I'm
wondering
if
Griffin
and
Griffin
is
our
towing
service.
AO
AO
AO
P
P
So
that
was
a
concern
that,
on
several
other
accidents,
I
would
say
and
CPD
is
investigating,
but
coal
is
there
and
then
Griffin
and
Griffin
were
complaining
that
they
weren't
getting
the
calls,
and
so
we
looked
into
it.
They
are
getting
the
calls.
I,
don't
know
how
all
of
that
was
occurring,
but
we're
trying
to
still
trying
to
figure
out.
How
is
it
that
coal
is
able
if
the
call
goes
through
9-1-1
positive,
that
Cole
is
able
to
beat
Griffin
to
the
scene
when
CPD
hasn't
gotten
there,
so
we're
trying
to
figure
all
that
out.
Y
AP
Yeah,
sir,
thank
you.
The
contracts
and
everything
were
done
at
a
pacific
time.
I
received
several
phone
calls
stating
that
Griffith
and
Griffin
being
the
towing
service
by
contract
and
the
codes
are
doing
a
great
job
in
the
community,
but
it
was
some
concern
that
something
was
going
on
that
Griffin
Griffin
was
being
beat
to
the
punch.
AP
Some
police
officers
had
some
discussions,
we'll
talk
about
that
later
about
if
they
were
in
the
area.
First,
why
couldn't
they
tow
the
cars,
but
we
have
a
contract
but
Griffin
and
Griffin
according
to
what
I
could
find
out
in
receiving
emails
from
everybody,
they
have
a
time
slot
and
they
were
honoring
their
time
slot
to
get
everything
cleared
up.
AP
So
what
it
seems
is
going
on
now
is:
if
we
have
a
contract
within
RFP,
we
have
a
contract,
it's
in
forest
and
the
towing
companies
have
to
get
together
and
honor
what
we're
doing
it's
going
to
take
all
of
them
as
far
as
what,
as
we
grow,
to
get
the
job
done.
But
at
this
stage
at
this
stage
in
the
point
in
the
game.
AP
I
think
the
cold
towing
company
about
Columbus,
towing
company,
or
something
like
that
in
the
past
and
took
over
over
on
the
Oklahoma
City
roadside
and
I
think
Reverend
Griffin
has
bought
more
property,
so
they're
both
expanded.
But
as
far
as
what
I'm
hearing
going
forward
like
I
say,
it's
been
a
lot
of
issues
concerning,
as
the
city
manager
stated.
N
AP
You
would
expect
that
the
police
would
make
the
phone
calls
through
9-1-1
3-1-1
I
mean
9-1-1
calls
would
go
to
whoever
the
contract.
That
firm
is
so
at
this
stage
in
time,
we'll
I'm
sure
everybody
will
get
together
and
talk
about
it,
but
I
have
a
concern
about
actually
honoring
the
contract
and
the
way
it's
written.
The
way
it's
supposed
to
be
performed
and
what
happens
when
the
contracted
company
shows
up
and
there's
another
company
there.
B
Well
and
I
think
it'll
help
when
we
take
a
look
at
it,
follow
the
process
and
just
sort
of
follow
the
trail
of
the
calls
and
who
shows
up
when
and
how
and
then
we'll
come
back
and
and
try
to
clarify
that.
So
the
council
has
a
good
idea
of
what
to
expect
when
they
get
these
calls.
So
right
now,
you're
right,
it
is
confusing
Council
crab.
S
Thank
you.
It's
my
understanding
that
if
there's
an
accident
that
the
owners
of
the
vehicle
have
the
right
to
call
whatever
towing
company
that
they
want
to
call
to
haul
their
vehicle
off
and
the
police
would
only
submit
you
know,
you
know,
suggest
Griffin
and
Griffin.
If
the
two
owners
don't
have
a
preferred
towing
company
but
I,
don't
please
you
know
Miss
attorney.
S
X
Stance
if
they're
you
know
able-bodied
and
can
call
a
tow
truck
for
their
own
accident.
Yes,
they
have
the
right
to
do
that,
but
if
there's
any
issue
over
the
vehicle
being
needed
for
evidence
or
whatever
the
police
would
determine
where
it
was
being.
Okay,.
B
B
Hang
on
hit
that
light
over
there.
If
you
don't
mind
foreign.
K
There
you
go
good
morning:
Council,
my
name
is
Ben
Hecht
I
live
here
in
Georgia.
I
certainly
want
to
number
one
thank
mayor,
Henderson,
council
members
and
city
manager
hugely
I,
appreciate
you
giving
me
the
time
to
come
before
you
on
behalf
of
amways.
I
would
like
to
thank
the
city
of
Columbus
for
allowing
us
to
perform
the
yard
waste
removal
services
through
a
public-private
partnership.
Since
June
of
2021,
we
have
provided
removal
from
containerized
bagged
in
small
piles
of
yard
debris.
K
We
have
invested
heavily
in
our
people,
equipment
and
facility
local
facility
here
in
Columbus.
A
quick
background
on
our
task
in
the
spring
of
2021
is
the
yard.
Waste
collection
was
falling
behind.
There
was
an
RFP
put
out
21-0018
to
provide
yard
waste
removal,
it's
supplemental
service.
In
June
of
2021.
We
were
awarded
that
RFP
and
in
June
of
2021
we
began
servicing
five
of
the
14
routes.
At
the
time
it
took
six
to
eight
weeks
for
us
to
really
get
through
the
city,
get
everything
cleaned
up
back
in
clean
streets.
K
That's!
Okay,
sir.
In
September
of
2021,
the
city
asked
us
to
service
10
of
the
14
yard,
waste
routes
on
an
alternating
basis
as
a
commitment
to
the
city
and
to
show
what
a
public-private
partnership
can
do.
We
agreed
to
take
on
that
task
at
no
additional
cost
to
the
city.
It
quickly
became
apparent.
An
alternating
schedule
was
not
sufficient
for
Council
nor
for
the
constituents
in
the
summer
of
2022
after
the
alternating
routes.
This,
at
the
request
of
the
city,
we
began
servicing
all
14
routes
on
a
weekly
basis.
K
Our
service
has
been
second
to
nine,
as
I'm
sure.
Many
of
you
know,
with
a
99.8
customer
satisfaction,
rating
and
I'm,
basing
that
off
on
missed
pickup
calls
and
a
lot
of
those
missed.
Pickups
are
credited
to
commingled
waste,
so
say
if
there's
regular
trash
in
the
yard
waste
can
we're
not
supposed
to
pick
it
up
for
the
city,
and
this
rating
far
exceeds
the
industry
standard
which
we're
incredibly
proud
of.
K
If
there's
only
one
car
or
20
bags
of
leaves
and
sticks,
our
employees
spend
the
time
providing
a
level
of
service
demanded
by
the
city
and
the
constituents,
whether
that
is
cutting
the
plastic
bags,
putting
the
material
in
the
truck
and
just
fulfilling
the
terms
of
our
agreement
again.
This
is
a
great
display
of
what
a
public-private
partnership
can
be.
The
partnership
with
Public
Works
has
been
outstanding
through
the
entirety
of
the
contract.
K
I
see
drail
and
the
audience
she's
been
fantastic,
and
we
wanted
to
be
a
reciprocal
partner
of
this
and
then
also
Mr,
John
Pittman
who's.
Also
in
the
audience
when
he
came
on
board
during
the
contract,
it
was
you
know,
imperative
that
we
all
have
an
understanding
of
what
they
expect
of
us
and
vice
versa,
and
our
day-to-day
communication
has
always
been
superb,
with
Mr
James
Main
and
our
Focus
has
always
been
to
provide
the
best
level
of
service.
K
With
regards
to
our
local
commitment,
we
employ
over
40
local
people
to
provide
the
level
of
service
we
were
tasked
with.
We
had
48
at
the
height.
You
know
the
numbers
fluctuate
as
folks
come
and
go.
We've
invested
heavily
like
I,
said
in
our
equipment,
our
facility
and
our
community.
We
purchased
late
model
trucks,
I'm
sure,
you've
seen
them
driving
around
very
good.
Looking.
We
have
a
clean,
safe
and
well
maintained
shop.
We
provide
competitive
pay,
excellent
benefits
and
culture
of
safety,
our
team's
led
by
Idris
Hayes
he's
here.
K
In
the
audience
we
had
administrators,
mechanics
drivers
helpers,
local
vendors.
We
support
by
buying
fuel,
tires
Parts
coffee,
tea,
Etc.
All
of
these
are
direct
or
indirect
beneficiaries
of
our
public-private
partnership
and,
lastly,
I
want
to
touch
on
safety.
The
most
important
factor,
our
safety
record,
has
also
been
Second.
To
None,
along
with
our
customer
satisfaction,
put
this
into
perspective
since
June
of
2021.
K
We
have
not
had
a
traffic
accident
since
we
began
this
contract,
that's
quite
an
accomplishment
servicing
approximately
56
000
homes
a
week,
242
000
per
month,
and
that's
trash
math
4.33
weeks
in
a
month
for
trash
men
and
that's
2.9
Million
stops
a
year.
We
stress
the
importance
of
everyone
getting
home
to
their
to
their
families.
That
is
the
most
important
part
of
what
we
do
here.
K
In
closing,
we
are
and
will
always
be
a
partner
with
the
city
of
Columbus,
as
the
outlook
for
all
service
related
businesses
and
operations
change
we're
here
to
assist
whether
it
be
through
another
private,
public,
private
partnership
for
ways
to
debris,
hauling.
Another
option
for
CCC
disposal,
which
we
have
facility
not
too
far
from
here
I
know.
Landfill
space
is
a
major
concern.
We
built
amways
into
a
company
that
can
fit
the
various
needs
of
large
and
small
communities.
Again,
we
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
serve
Columbus,
consolidated
government
and
the
citizens
of
Columbus.
AH
You
mayor,
Mr,
heck
and
other
members
of
amways
who
are
here
I
just
wanted
to
thank
on
behalf
of
the
constituents
I
represented
District,
Two
and
and
representing
the
whole
city
as
well.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
the
service
that
you
provided
for
our
community.
It's
been
outstanding,
I've
heard
nothing
but
good
reports,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
share
that
with
you
I,
don't
know
if
I'll
see
you
anytime
soon,
but
certainly
you
need
to
you
need
to
hear
that.
Thank
you.
S
AG
Mayor
council
members,
city
manager,
I
appreciate
you
giving
me
the
time
to
come
before
you
today,
hello.
My
name
is
Idris
Hayes
I'm,
a
resident
of
Columbus
and
employee
of
Amway
Georgia
4536,
Peak,
Industrial,
Drive,
Columbus,
Georgia
I
have
the
pleasure
of
being
the
leader
and
manager
of
our
local
amways
yard.
Waste
operations.
AG
Currently
we
have
41
employees,
local
to
the
community,
that
service
over
50
000
homes
a
week
rain
or
shine
mostly
a
lot
more
shine
here.
Lately,
as
my
site,
we
pride
ourselves
on
accomplishing
a
strong
safety
service
performance,
centered
culture.
We
display
our
strength
by
a
couple
impressive
results.
AG
One
is
we
have
zero
property
damage
like
I've
been
mentioned,
meaning
we're
not
going
down
the
road
and
hitting
mailboxes
and
hitting
cars
and
trailers
and
destroying
cans.
We
also
have
zero
vehicle
damage
to
our
Fleet
and
nearly
a
three-year
span.
This
is
above
industry
standard.
This
is
a
strong
safety
culture.
AG
The
second
one
I'd
like
to
mention
is
our
code.
Twos
or
missed
pickups
in
the
span
of
six
months,
went
from
50
to
almost
100
weekly
code
twos
to
our
current
average
of
about
12
to
15
a
week.
That's
that's!
That's
a
pretty
impressive
change
servicing
over
56
000
homes.
This
place
is
our
customer
service
at
99.8
percentile
week
over
week,
strong
service
culture,
since
my
leadership,
since
my
placement
in
leadership
and
waste
meets
with
the
Integrated
Waste
leadership
on
a
monthly
basis
to
ensure
expectations
and
performance
are
at
par.
AG
B
The
if,
if
there's,
if
the
consensus
to
counselors
they
want
to
pull
on
my
up,
we
can
do
that
so
yeah.
Let's
go
ahead
and
pull
it
up
so.
P
I
item
I
on
my
agenda
is
a
90-day
termination
period
for
supplemental
yard:
waste
collection
Services.
As
you
know,
over
the
last
couple
of
years
we've
been
operating
with
M
ways
and
I
will
reiterate
to
the
m
ways
Representatives
here
today
that
we
are
very
pleased
with
M
waste
and
the
service
that
they
provided.
They
have.
P
They
have
been
a
a
lifesaver
for
us
during
the
covet
period
when
we
could
not
hire
or
retain
CDO
drivers.
Amways
came
on
the
scene
and
they
were
able
to
help
us
continue
the
quality
amazing
service
and
we
really
appreciate
Amway.
So
thank
you
for
all
that
you've
done
for
us,
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
because
you
know
with
ARP
dollars.
P
We've
ordered
trucks
and
and
I
do
want
the
director
of
Public
Works
to
come
forward,
but
we've
ordered
trucks
and
we've
received
some
of
those
trucks
and
we
are
ready
to
put
those
trucks
into
service
or
they
and
and
so
when
it
comes
down
to
the
service
that
we
have
with
amways.
P
It
comes
down
to
whether
we
can
afford
it
or
not,
and
so
the
supplemental,
Yard,
Waste,
Service
monthly,
is
439
600
dollars
and
for
a
three-month
period,
That's
1
million
three
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
that
we
did
not
budget
and
at
the
rate
of
our
monthly
billing
rate.
P
P
We
anticipate
Public,
Works,
resume
and
service
on
December
1
2023.
Without
the
use
of
amways.
With
the
new
pay
structure,
we've
been
able
to
hire
some
drivers,
CL
drivers
and
then
we've
got
new
trucks,
and
so
that's
why
we
are
moving
forward
at
this
time
to
terminate
the
service
not
because
of
performance.
They've
been
excellent
in
performance,
but
because
we've
got
new
equipment
in
we've
got
the
drivers
hired
and
we
are
ready
to
resume
the
service
under
our
Integrated
Waste
public
works
department
and
so
mayor
I'll.
P
B
S
Thank
you.
How
many
trucks
have
we
purchased
for
this
process.
M
Oh
I
think
we're
only
eight
short.
U
S
M
S
Elaborate
for
you
so
right
now,
I'm
just
I
mean
please.
Please
try
and
reassure
me
that
we
are
we're
going
into
another
time
of
year,
where
yard
waste
is
going
to
be
high.
Priority
and
I
do
not
want
us
to
get
into
the
situation
where
we
were
before.
Amways
is
doing
a
great
job.
I,
don't
want
us
to
take
I
I,
don't
want
our
citizens
to
suffer
I,
don't
I
mean
let.
M
Me
just
be
perfectly
clear:
the
only
reason
why
we
had
to
go
with
a
contractor
to
pick
up
our
yard
waste
is
because
we
didn't
have
the
drivers
we
it
wasn't
about
trucks,
it
was
people
to
drive
those
trucks.
Our
staff
is
back
up
where
it
needs
to
be
with
the
integration
of
automation,
we're
able
to
reduce
the
number
of
routes
that
we
need
to
pick
up.
Household
trash
and
those
drivers
will
drop
down
and
become
extras
and
permanent
drivers
for
yard
waste.
So
we
are
ready
to
go
and
we
should
not
have
any
problems.
S
M
AA
I
have
a
series
of
questions,
and
so
let
me
go
through
some
of
them
and
perhaps
Mr
city
manager
can
respond
to
these.
One
of
the
questions
that
I
have
this
resolution
that
we
have,
or
this
proposal
that
we
have
from
the
city
manager
says
it
was
initiated
by
the
finance
department
and
then
it
talks
about
the
public
works
department
being
involved.
AA
My
question
one
of
my
questions
is:
who
made
this
decision?
Is
it
a
financial
decision?
Is
it
a
decision
that
the
Public
Works
has
said?
Oh,
we
have
enough
people
to
do
this
from
what
I'm
hearing
I
don't
know
that
we
do
have
enough
people
to
do
this.
Amway
just
stood
up
here
and
told
us.
They
have
40
people
who
run
these
routes
and
you're
telling
us
you're
down
seven
or
eight
drivers.
You
know
we
have
a
contract
with
these
folks,
I'm,
not
sure
if
we
have
a
contract
with
these
folks.
AA
AA
Why
wasn't
it
budgeted
for
why
weren't
we
presented
with
this
at
the
budget
to
say
we're
going
to
need
this
kind
of
money
to
fulfill
this
contract?
Has
this
been
in
the
works
since
before
June
July,
when
we
budgeted
when
we
went
through
the
budget
I
just
I
I
always
won't.
You
know
the
Personnel
is
a
real
big
issue.
For
me,
the
lack
of
personnel
is
a
real
big
issue
for
me
and
I'm
I'm,
just
not
sure
that
we
are
currently
at
the
point
where
we
can
terminate
this
contract.
AA
Now
as
I
read
it,
it
says
it's
a
90-day
termination
period.
It
will
there'll
be
on
board
for
another
90
days
I.
AA
You
know
I
of
the
the
complaints
that
I
get
the
the
conversations
that
I
have
the
calls
that
I
get
garbage
and
yard
waste
are
a
major
part
of
that
and
for
us
to
say,
we're
going
to
cut
off
this
service
that
has
around
this
table
has
been
acknowledged
to
be
a
tremendous
service
and
does
well,
and-
and
thank
you
for
your
for
your
work,
but
we
don't
need
you
anymore,
I,
don't
know
that
we
don't
need
you
anymore
is
correct
and
I
just
I
just
have
a
lot
of
questions
about
this
and,
at
this
point,
I'm
not
convinced
that
we
need
to
terminate
this
contract
at
this
point.
AA
It
may
be
that
later
down,
the
road
before
this
contract
is
over
as
I
understand
it.
It's
got
another
almost
two
years
on
the
contract.
Is
that
I
believe
that's
right,
no
and
you're
and
we're
we're
terminating
it
early
I
I
just
have
a
real
concern
about
this
and
cannot
be
in
favor
of
terminating
this
contract
at
this
time,
from
what
I
have
heard
so
far.
Well,.
P
So
you
are
confident
based
on
the
trucks
and
the
drivers
that
we've
hired.
Yes,
that
we
can
resume
service
as
we
did
before,
and
waste.
P
M
You
know
Miss
trash.
Is
this
a
part
of
the
the
industry
itself,
I'm
not
going
to
sit
here
and
tell
you
that
we're
going
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
any
code
twos,
they
even
stated
they
had
coaches,
we
called
them
on
co2s
and
code.
2
simply
means
missed,
so
we
will
go
back
and
we
will
do
our
very
best
to
ensure
that
we
pick
up
every
single
thing.
That's
on
the
ground.
There
are
situations
that
will
arise
when
you
have
mixed
piles
like
they
mentioned.
M
We
can't
even
we're
not
supposed
to
even
pick
those
up,
because
it's
combat
it's
combined
with
household
and
yard
waste.
They
go
to
two
separate
landfills,
so
we're
always
going
to
have
to
contend
with
issues
of
that
nature.
But
as
far
as
our
service
level
is
concerned,
we
are
changing
the
culture
and
waste
collection.
We
are
making
sure
that
our
employees
understand
the
importance
of
what
they
do
and
the
fact
that
anything
can
be
privatized,
and
so
that
then
makes
them
realize
that
they
have
to
do
and
step
up
their
game.
M
And
that's
what
we're
doing
am
I
going
to
sit
here
and
say
that
we'll
never
miss
another
pile.
I
cannot
stand
here
and
say
that,
but
what
I
can
assure
you
is
that
we
will
be
prepared,
come
December
1st
to
take
back
what
we
had
to
contract
out,
which
was
our
yard
waste
collection,
we're
still
doing
household
we're
still
doing
recycling
right
now,
as
we
speak
and
doing
it
well
and
I.
Don't
expect
anything
different
from
yard
waste
and
that's.
P
L
AB
L
Was
that
Public
Works
was
supposed
to
take
back
five
routes
in
July
five
routes
in
August
and
four
routes
in
September
for
all
14
routes,
so
Public
Works
was
supposed
to
begin,
providing
those
Services
again
as
of
October
1st.
Unfortunately,
that
proposed
a
budget
that
was
subsequently
approved
was
contended
on
us
receiving
the
vehicles.
L
The
automated
side
loader
trucks
that
they
directed
previously
mentioned
so
not
having
those
trucks
to
place
in
service
within
that
initial
budgeted
time
frame
has
placed
Us
in
the
position
where
we
are
right
now,
in
terms
of
there
being
an
additional
subsidy
required
from
the
general
fund
to
the
Integrated
Waste
fund.
Keep
in
mind
that
the
general
fund
is
already
subsidizing,
the
Integrated
Waste
fine,
1.2
million
dollars
in
the
FY
24
budget,
so
this
would
be
an
additional
subsidy
to
that
already
approved
amount,
I
mean
as
far
as
the
contract.
L
The
pricing
that
amways
has
agreed
to
for
this
90-day
termination
period
is
the
pricing
that
was
approved
as
part
of
the
First
Amendment.
So
the
pricing
has
not
and
will
not
increase.
During
this
90-day
period
we
have
been
operating
like
I,
said
from
a
pricing
standpoint
under
that
first
amendment
that
has
been
fully
executed.
L
There
was
some
negotiation
in
terms
of
some
of
the
as
far
as
some
of
the
Clauses
within
the
contract
regarding
cancellation
for
convenience,
as
well
as
sort
of
a
phase
out
approach,
but
so
that
is
the
reason
why
we
are
sort
of
where
we
are
with
requesting
the
additional
90
days.
L
As
far
as
the
contract,
there
was
like
I,
said
some
back
and
forth
internally
in
terms
of
what
you
know
is
acceptable
to
the
city
as
far
as
some
of
those
Clauses,
but
we've
sort
of
moved
forward
with
the
pricing
that
had
been
previously
approved
as
part
of
amendment
one
and
the
90-day
closeout
is
actually
something
that
would
have
been
a
part
of
the
Second
Amendment.
L
The
first
amendment
that
was
signed
was
in
accordance
to
the
original
contract,
which
technically
said
that
the
termination
for
convenience
was
30
days.
So.
L
Well,
currently,
the
expenses:
the
revenues
aren't
projected
to
support
all
of
the
expenses
in
the
Integrated
Waste
fund
from
a
budgetary
standpoint,
and
that
was
advised
and
approved
as
part
of
the
FY
24
budget.
The
1.2
million
dollar
subsidy.
P
L
Because,
currently,
based
on
the
rate
that
we
have
included
approved
in
the
budget,
it
does
not
support
the
expenditures
of
the
Integrated
Waste
program.
Okay,.
P
P
Indicated
they're
ready
and
the
equipment
has
come
in
that
we
know
that
we're
ready
and
other
equipment
is
scheduled
to
come
in
and
you've
heard
the
Assurance
from
the
director
of
Public
Works
and
and
of
course
you
know,
finances
you
can't
you
got
to
look
at
your
your
money
as
well,
and
the
Integrated
Waste
fund
yeah
I
want
to
use.
The
word
is
busted,
you
know,
and
so
we
gotta
we
without
a
rate
increase
without
doing
something.
P
AA
Miss
Alexander
I
assume
that
since
we
have
a
contract
with
amway's
included
in
that
contract,
are
the
provisions
for
payment
to
amways?
Is
that
correct.
AA
And
so,
if
we
do
not
terminate
this
contract
in
90
days,
both
the
city
and
amways
are
obligated
to
follow.
What's
in
that
contract,
is
that
correct.
L
Well,
currently,
in
all
transparency,
Council
Thomas,
we
are
not
under
contract
with
amways.
AA
AA
L
L
I
mean
we
have
a
contract
in
that
we
have
been
operating
under
the
first
amendment
that
was
fully
executed
by
both
amways
and
the
city
in
terms
of
the
pricing,
be
RFP
spelled
out
that
the
renewable
periods
would
be
one
year
renewable
period.
So
it's
it's
a
it's
a
situation
where
we're
supposed
to
come
back
at
the
every
year
and
and
re-new
I
guess,
I
should
say
the
contract
and.
L
Well,
what
happened
this
year
as
far
as
I'm
aware
of
that
was
a
notification
from
amway's
of
a
price
increase
for
a
contract
from
last
year,
based
on
terms
from
that
contract
from
last
year
that
were
never
fully
executed
and
agreed
upon
by
the
city
did.
L
L
Well,
as
I
stated
previously
we're
technically
not
under
a
contract
with
amways,
because
it
renews
every
year
the
first
of
August.
L
AA
I'm
a
little
confused
now,
Mississippi
manager,
you
said
contract
extension
and
this
says
a
contract
termination.
L
Well,
I
guess
it
really
could
say
to
execute
a
90-day
contract
with
amways
I
mean
the
RFP
itself
is
was
designed
to
be
over
a
five-year
period.
L
I
mean
us
not
having
negotiated
the
renewal
prior
to
the
end
of
the
contract
is
not
something
that
is
unheard
of.
I
mean
if
there
are
things
that
the
city
doesn't
agree
to
and
the
contractor
doesn't
agree
to,
then
we
keep
continue
to
work
towards
some
resolve
and
so
that
we
can
get
an
execute
a
contract.
AA
Well,
Mr
Mayor,
maybe
I've
beaten
this
dead
horse
enough,
but
I
I
will
say
again.
I
I
cannot
support
this.
This
request.
Thank
you.
W
L
Well,
the
first
amendment
adjusted
the
price
per
route
to
31
000,
for
so
when
they
took
over
all
how
you
get
to
the
439
number,
the
34
I
think
it's
31
400
times
the
14
routes
comes
up
to
the
439..
L
The
reason
why
that
doesn't
exactly
work
out
mathematically
for
the
purchasing
agenda
item
is
because
what
was
included
in
and
approved
in
the
budget
was
a
phase-out
approach
which
included
us
paying
Amway
some
form
of
payment
for
the
routes
that
they
were
to
maintain,
as
Public
Works
took
back,
took
back
providing
services
for
the
city,
so
there
is
already
included
in
the
Integrated
Waste
budget.
L
W
L
L
That
I
can
get
you
fairly
quickly
in
terms
of
the
budget,
I
mean
I
think
you
said
how
many
people
for
the
yard,
waste
collection,
14
people,
one
person
for
each
route-
okay,
so
I
mean
I,
can
get
that,
get
you
that
information
and-
and
that
actually
has
been
shared
previously.
Unfortunately,
you
know
I.
Don't
have
that
in
front
of
me
right
now,
but
it
is.
We
talk
about
salaries,
21
an
hour
40
hours
a
week.
B
Counselor
councilor
kogel.
H
I
think
so,
I
I
mean
one
I'm
still
struggling
that
we
don't
have
a
contract
with
I
guess:
m
waste
is
just
collecting
out
of
the
goodness
of
their
heart.
So
thank
you,
Anne
waste
for
being
a
good
business
and
collecting,
but
we
sat
here
and
listened
to
a
presentation
from
the
cons.
H
The
consult
of
Lady
I
forget
what
her
name
is
now,
but
on
August
8th,
then
I
think
Council
requested
a
work
session
because
and
I'll
paraphrase,
but
there
was
just
there-
was
concern
on
what
we
were
going
to
pass
on
to
the
citizens
as
a
cost,
and
these
were
just
options
that
were
available
at
the
time
and
I
I'm
I'm
on
the
same
page
as
as
counselor
Thomas,
when
I
just
think
90
days
is
a
little
bit
premature
to
say
that
we've
got
it
under
control
and
we
still
I
mean
as
a
council.
H
We
need
to
kind
of.
We
need
to
approve
what
it's
going
to
cost
for
our
citizens,
how
we're
going
to
get
through
Leaf
season,
with
only
one
one
can
what
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
for
an
additional
can,
etc,
etc.
So
there
were
a
lot
of
options
that
were
given
on
on
August,
8th
I.
Just
I.
H
Just
think
that
90
days
is
a
probably
a
little
bit
premature
to
not
have
a
solid
plan
in
place
to
to
fall
back
on
so
I
I
just
would
hate
to
get
into
a
position
where
we
have
to
ask
amways
to
extend
their
non-contract
of
90
days,
another
30
days
and
or
if
that
goes
out
to
60
days.
I,
just
I.
Think
our
for
looking
down
the
road
having
a
renegotiation
of
additional
pickup
months
is
not
a
good
situation
to
be
in
so
I'm
on
the
same
page
as
counselor.
AC
I've
got
a
few
concerns.
One
I
agree
with
councilor
back.
We
need
a
true
financial
analysis
and
I
mean
the
biggest
part
is
going
to
be
the
trucks,
our
maintenance
of
the
trucks
and
how
those
are
applied,
because
right
now,
I
mean
amways
handles
all
that,
and
the
other
thing
is
part
of
the
reason
we
have
drivers
is
probably
because
of
the
there
was
a
not
as
competitive
wage
offering
in
in
the
public
sector
than
the
private
sector,
and
also
we've
got.
AC
We
haven't
had
any
claims
that
I'm
aware
of
with
them,
but
we
have
to
look
at
the
cost
for
litigation
as
well,
because
when
they
any
type
of
trash,
truck
or
big
truck
hits
somebody
it's
usually
pretty
severe
injuries,
and
you
know
for
the
sea.
AC
We're
capped
at
a
half
million
dollars
in
liability,
but
those
can
add
up
very
quickly
and
and
finally,
I
was
I've,
been
texting
with
the
constituent,
a
lot
of
counsel
because
he's
upset
his
entire
neighborhood
and
he
said
pretty
much
as
far
as
he
could
tell
all
around
54th
Street
River
Road
did
not
have
their
their
household
waste
picked
up
yesterday
and
when
he
called
him
they
said
it
was
due
to
the
automation
of
the
trucks
which,
as
far
as
I,
know
that
hadn't
gone
into
effect
right
now.
AC
Either
way
we
were
just
talking
about
part
of
the
the
shift
will
be.
Some
of
the
drivers
from
household
waste
would
go
to
the
yard
waste,
and
if
we
already
can't
pick
up
the
trash
route-
and
it
was,
it
wasn't
just
one
household-
it
was
an
entire
neighborhood
and
he
said
everywhere
around
there
did
not
have
trash
pickup,
but
that's
a
that's.
AC
For
me
that
we're
already
not
providing
the
service
we
want
to
and
as
the
other
councils
are
relayed
trash,
pickup
and
yard
waste
pickup
have
been
the
biggest
concern,
some
of
them
other
than
crime
that
we
have
received,
and
it
wasn't
just
you
know
during
covet.
It
was
also
before
covered,
but
you
know,
I
I,
just
don't
see
that
it's
a
it's
a
very
good
decision
to
terminate
a
contract
with
somebody.
That's
working
out
really
well
right
now.
W
Council
Begley
I
just
want
to
clarify
the
the
situation,
because
if
it
sounds
like,
we
had
a
contract
and
we're
kind
of
just
on
a
month-to-month
basis
right
now,
without
kind
of
a
a
clear
timeline.
So
if
Council
doesn't
approve
this
there's,
there's
still
not
a
contract
right,
so
in
yeah
there's
still
not
a
contract.
That's
right
at
that
point,
so
I'm
not
sure
what
council
would
need
to
do
to
keep
M
waste
working,
because
just
rejecting
this
doesn't
actually
give
us
service
for
90
days.
S
We
this
Council,
initiated
the
amendment
B.
We
we
asked
that
we
asked
to
go
back
and
have
this
amendment
be
with
the
co
with
that
company,
and
so
why
do
we
not
have
a
signed
Amendment
be
I
mean
we,
this
body
told
staff
to
take
action
and
it
appears
that
staff
didn't
take
action
and
the
amendment
B
was
not
signed
on
our
side.
S
L
Well,
the
the
contract
extension,
it's
a
one-year,
it's
a
one-year
extension,
so
every
Amendment
would
come
back
to
the
council
for
approval
initiated
by
purchasing
on
the
purchasing
agenda.
We've.
S
Approved
we've
approved
everything
that
we're
we
we're
doing
with
amways.
We
we
approved
the
initial
routes.
We
approved
the
additional
routes
we
approved
them,
taking
over
the
whole
thing
on
a
weekly
basis.
So
if
we
approved
all
of
that,
why
don't
we
have
a
contract
to
back
us
up
and
protect
us
as
the
city.
L
AA
B
No,
it
was
stated
counselor.
It
was
stated
that
this
is
the
whole
idea
was
to
try
to
get
back
to
utilize.
That's
why
you
all
approved
the
automated
trucks
so
that
we
could
start
going
to
single
individuals
on
the
trucks
and
then
move
them
into
the
into
the
arm
waste,
and
it
that's
why
we
ordered
those
cans
that
were
maneuverable
by
without
needing
to
have
prisoners
on.
P
B
Let
me
I
just
want
to
because
I
think
the
counselor
asks
a
good
question
about
the
contract,
but
the
way
I
understand
what
you're
saying
about
the
contract
is
that
it
was
due
to
be
renegotiated
in
August
right
and
in
August.
We
got
notified
that
that
amways
was
going
to
have
to
charge
I
think
a
surcharge
to
go
up.
B
It
was
unacceptable
to
the
city,
so
a
letter
went
back
to
amways
and
amways
has
been
a
good
partner
because
they
agreed
to
continue
it
at
the
at
the
current
price,
under
the
old
contract
through
I,
guess
November
or
to
until
November.
So
it
was.
It
was
an
agreement
on
both
parts
to
continue
that
contract.
Through
that
letter
that
held
the
cost
down
in
the
same
matters.
That's
what
I
thought
I
heard.
B
P
P
P
S
Is
this
the
is
this
the
budget
presentation
or
is
this
the
presentation
that
was
given
to
us
at
last
last
week
at
the
work
session.
L
P
S
I
have
one
more
question
not
concerning
the
contract
or
that
non-contract,
whatever
situation
we're
in
so
what
happens
during
the
peak
season
when
people
cannot
fit
all
of
their
yard
waste
their
leaves
their
trimmings,
everything
into
the
green
cans
and
they
have
bags
and
they
have
piles.
Are
we
going
to
be
able
to
take
care
of
that?
Well,.
M
Right
now,
yes,
ma'am.
We
will
because
we'll
still
have
the
two
inmates
on
the
back
of
the
rear,
loader
working
yard
waste
like
we
had
prior
to
the
pandemic.
There
are
some
things
that
we
mentioned
already
in
a
previous
presentation
that
we'll
be
bringing
back
that's
going
to
take
Council
approval,
for
example,
to
change
the
bag
from
being
a
regular
plastic
bag
to
a
biodegradable
bag,
which
makes
collection
easier
as
well
as
the
number
of
bags.
The
person
can
place
on
the
rider
way
for
collection,
see.
M
Of
we
are
trying
to
improve
our
program
overall,
make
Columbus
a
more
beautiful
place
to
be.
We
recognize
that,
if,
if
you
all
don't
approve
something
understand
that
we
have
a
plan
B
and
the
plan
B
for
the
bags,
for
example,
if
you
said
no
to
biodegradable
bags,
then
we're
going
to
keep
our
same
process
that
we're
doing
right
now
and
cut
open
the
bags
and
put
the
stuff
in
the
truck
and
keep
going.
So
we
have
a
plan
date,
we're
not
going
to
just
leave
people
hanging
and
the
same
thing
goes
for
excessive
ways.
M
We're
hopeful
that
you
all
will
approve
the
the
rate
study
that
will
give
Integrated
Waste
the
funding
that
it
needs
to
operate
without
having
to
rely
on
the
general
fund
to
be
able
to
make
the
improvements
that
we
want
to
make.
But
that's
just
something
that
that
we've
got
to
do
as
a
community.
We
have
got
to
improve
our
Waste
Management,
how
we
handle
it
and
how
much
it's
going
to
be
costing
our
residents
for
services
that
we
provide
that
they're,
not
even
paying
a
quarter
of
what
it
costs.
B
S
S
P
M
Can
just
add
to
councilor
Begley's
question
about
the
cost,
understand
that
when
amways
was
contacted,
it
was
on
a
phase-in
approach.
We
they
took
on
I,
believe
it
was
five
routes
initially,
then
it
moved
up
until
we
were
at
14..
So
we
were
attempting
in
our
plan
to
do
the
same
thing
going
out.
It
was
never
meant
for
it
to
be
permanent
because
we
knew
Integrated
Waste
could
not
afford
it.
M
Trust
me
I,
slept
been
sleeping
very
well
these
last
few
months,
because
I'm
not
worried
about
waste
collection,
so
I
understand
the
apprehension
of
letting
them
go,
but
I
have
confidence
in
our
staff.
I
have
confidence
in
my
staff.
I
have
confidence
in
that
driver?
That's
out
there.
They
were
excited
Monday.
When
we
rolled
out
those
brand
new
trucks,
I
wish
I
could
have
I
told
Mr
Pittman.
We
should
have
taken
video
of
their
faces.
P
And
Emir,
with
all
that
said,
this
director
has
assured
that
we
are
ready
to
go
December
1
and
we
will
take
care
of
all
of
the
services
that
we've
contracted
out
over
the
last
couple
of
years
with
M
waste,
but
we're
ready
to
go
and
we
can
provide
the
service
gotcha.
And
so
if,
if,
if
Council
want
to
continue
renew
a
contract
with
the
increase
that
has
been
proposed,
we
can
bring
an
agreement.
But
this
is
on
a
month
to
month.
W
W
I
I
do
think
the
financial
analysis
is
important
just
because
on
one
yes,
this
is
why
we're
taking
internal
versus
external,
but
I
also
think
it
gives
us
more
information
to
make
decisions
in
the
future.
So,
for
example,
if
there
is
a
disastpect
from
the
service,
but
we
still
have
more
money
to
spend,
but
that's
still
cheaper
than
M
waste,
we
could
expend
our
service
or
expand
the
staff
and
still
be
cheaper
than
M
waste
Theory,
and
we
could
easier
support
that.
But
I
think
that's
why.
W
That
analysis
is
helpful,
so
we
can
make
very
informed
decisions
and
understand
The,
increased
cost
of
the
savings
of
of
our
decisions.
I
think
that's
very
helpful.
So
that's
why
I
keep
pushing
for
it,
but
I
have
I
appreciate
your
explanation
of
how
the
cost
increased
and
how
you're
taking
on
the
the
services
internally
going
forward.
Y
Yes,
thank
you,
director
short
for
all
that
you
do
I
appreciate
you
a
time.
I
do
have
a
question
I'm.
Looking
at
the
budget
book,
was
it
in
the
departmental
summary
for
the
phase
out
for
Public
Works
in
reference
to
the
phasing
out
amways?
Is
it
in
the
departmental
summary?
Y
What
would
it
be
in
the
budget
book
because
I've
looked
on
under
both
like
the
top
part,
I
mean
y'all,
know
it's
272
pages,
but
I
look
at
the
top,
where
it
has
the
budget
in
general
and
then
I'm
on
the
summary
and
I.
Don't
see
it.
Y
So
I
was
just
trying
to
see
where
the
the
actual
statement
regarding
phasing
out
of
the
M
waste
I
think
that'll
be
helpful
and
I
also
want
to
say
I
agree
with
Council
big
counselor
bigley
in
reference
to
us,
bring
the
information
back
and
you
know
I
try
my
best
not
to
talk
about
making
a
lot
but
y'all
know
I'm
over
there
a
whole
lot
because
I,
my
grandfather
is
over
there
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
had
sent
to
I
think
it
was
all
of
council
and
the
city
manager
and
the
mayor
is
that
making
pays
a
total
of
120
annually
and
it
comes
out
of
their
property
taxes
like
it's
added
to
your
property
taxes
for
all
waste
collections,
I
mean
that's,
recycle,
there's
household
and
also
the
boat
waste,
with
the
leaves
and
things
like
that.
Y
So
I
know
that
it
can
be
done
like
us
and
I
I,
don't
know
right
now.
What
is
the
and
I
say?
I
don't
know
because
I
pay,
my
stuff
automatically
and
I
really
I
I'm
I'm
thankful
that
I
have
that
ability
to
not
really
pay
attention
to
how
much
I
pay
for
my
yard.
My
my
waist
but
I'm
sure
that
other
people
have
to
pay
attention
to
how
much
they
pay
a
month
for
these
services.
So
I
did
want
to
ask
director
short
what
what's
the
actual
before
I
know.
Y
L
Y
Y
M
AM
Y
Y
Y
I
just
I
really
thought
that
was
good,
that
they
only
pay.
You
know
120
dollars.
P
Q
B
AC
P
P
We'll
have
her
to
bring
back
macon's
so
that
we
can
compare
apples
to
apples,
yeah,
we'll
we'll
bring
it
back
at
the
next
meeting.
But.
L
To
answer
your
Council
tax
department,
every
page
specifically
listed
there
under
yard
waste
the
yard,
waste
division,
there's
a
contractual
service
decrease
of
10
to
about
3.9
million
dollars,
I'm
also
referenced
in
the
city
manager's
letter
down
in
the
departmental
highlights.
It
talks
about
the
decrease
being
due
to
the
phase
out
the
phasing
out
of
yard
waste,
pickup
Services
contracted
through
and
waste
and
FY
24.
and
so
I
think.
You
know,
because
that
was
the
conversation,
and
that
was
what
was
proposed
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget
that
May
5th
I'm.
L
Sorry
that
May
9th
presentation
is
that
sort
of
spurred
that
may
not
presentation.
AH
It's
been
an
extensive
conversation
around
the
table
on
this
matter,
so
I'm
just
going
to
try
to
just
share
a
couple
things
I
want
Council
know
during
the
budget.
Section
I
asked
for
a
cost,
benefit
analysis
and
I
earmarked
ten
thousand
dollars
to
have
it
done,
but
I'm
having
difficulties,
because
I've
now
learned
that
I'm
going
to
have
to
do
an
RFP
going
to
have
to
put
it
out.
AH
There
was
a
local
University
that
was
going
to
work
with
us
and
try
to
get
it
done,
but
now
they're
going
to
have
to
go
through
a
process,
and
now
it's
kind
of
just
slowed
everything
down.
I
am
a
big
believer
in
doing
a
cost,
benefit
analysis,
a
financial
analysis
and
understanding
this
I
I
think
it's
the
right
thing
to
do.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
questions
from
a
business
standpoint.
Just
in
my
mind,
I
appreciate
the
passion
to
please
and
doing
it
in-house,
but
they're.
AH
You
know
we
just
went
through
a
trying
time
and
I
think
it's
still
on
everybody's
memory
of
of
what's
taking
place,
I
I
haven't
been
able
to
see
that
breakdown,
which
still
makes
me
a
little
uncomfortable,
but
I
will
and
most
likely
if
it
goes
out
for
RFP,
it's
going
to
cost
a
lot
more
money
to
have
a
cost,
benefit
analysis
and
I'm.
Not
so
sure
somebody
could
probably
build
a
business
around
this
when
you
really
think
about
it,
but
regardless
I
will
go
on
record
and
I'll
make
this
prediction
to
everybody.
AH
The
automated
system,
at
the
end
of
the
day
is
going
to
cost
you
a
lot
of
money.
I'm
just
going
to
tell
you
your
Bill's
going
up,
there's
no
other
way
around
it
with
those
cans
one
can
you
have
to
buy
another?
Can
you
have
to
replace
the
can
they're
extremely
expensive?
So
you
need
to
know
that
that
going
down
that
path,
it's
going
to
be
very
costly.
That's
my
prediction
for
me
and
that's
what
I'm
saying
so
looking
at
it
today
and
looking
at
the
options
from
here
on
out
I.
Y
I
have
one
more
thing
to
say
in
reference
to
the
phase
out,
fy24
were.
V
L
It
was
the
first
three
months
of
the
fiscal
year
in
terms
of
the
phase
out
when
it
was
presented,
like
I
said
when
we
did
that
long
budget
overview
when
the
back
in
beginning
of
May
I
think
the
first
Tuesday
in
May.
It's
also
referenced
there
in
the
presentation
that
we
were
using
general
fund
reserves
to
continue
to
privatization
of
yard
waste
collections
for
a
three-month
phase
out,
and
so
it
was.
The
three
months
was
the
where
the
the
beginning
of
fiscal
year,
as
shown
in
the
presentation
from
May
9th.
H
You
know
looking
at
the
400
300
439
600
dollars.
If
you
divide
that
by
the
sixty
thousand
households
that
we
pick
up
yard
waste,
it's
it
comes
out
to
be
about
seven
dollars
and
thirty
cents,
which
is
essentially
what
we're
talking
about,
raising
our
the
minimum
that
we're
raising
our
pickup
by
so
I
mean
that's
just
something
to
think
about
before
we.
H
Terminate
a
contract
and
I
and
are
100
confident
that
we
can
backfill
without
any
any
heartache
to
our
citizens.
I
mean
it's
a
it's
essentially
the
same,
the
same
thing,
if
not
just
a
little
bit
lower
than
what
we're
we're,
anticipating
that
we
pay,
but
I
do
concur
with
counselor
Davis
and
councilor
Begley
that
we
definitely
need
a
cost
analysis
before
we
cost
benefit
analysis
before
we
move
forward
with
this.
L
Director
can
speak
more
specifically
to
that,
but
she
is
working
on
that
scenario
from
the
commentary
and
the
notes
that
was
received
in
that
staff
meeting.
So
I
do
believe
that
she
is
working
on
that
and
I
do
believe
that
Public
Works
should
have
something
soon
from
the
consultant,
but
it
is
like
Council
Begley
referenced
in
terms
of
us
continuing
to
be
our
ability
to
pay
amways,
at
least
through
November
30th.
We
do
need
counsel
to
approve
the
item.
That's
on
the
person
purchasing
agenda.
AB
B
L
And
so
we
can
get
approval
to
pay
amways
through
November
30th
today
or
we
can
bring
payment
for
services.
Two
and
ways
of
council
decide
to
decide
not
to
approve
the
item
today.
We
can
bring
it
to
every
single
Council
agenda
and
count
and
ways.
We
just
have
to
wait
until
Council
approves
it
on
the
agenda
to
receive
payment
for
the
services.
AH
Add
to
that
I've
been
talking
about
coming
up
with
creative
ways
to
create
new
revenue
streams.
I've
talked
about
that
many
times.
I
think
that
applies
here.
We
don't
ever
talk
about
that.
We
just
keep
focusing
on
that.
60
000
people-
and
you
know
that's
another
variable
in
this-
that
could
make
it
work
that
could
balance
it
out.
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
statement
as
well.
M
M
We
get
requests
all
the
time
to
provide
waste
collection
services
and,
frankly,
we
can't
do
it
right
now,
because
we
don't
have
the
equipment,
and
so
once
we
receive
the
equipment,
we
I
think
we
showed
the
the
new
cans
that
we
wanted
to
place
down
there,
the
ones
that
we
could
bring
in
for
special
events
that
are
strictly
for
recycling
or
strictly
for
yardways
at
AV.
So
we
are
looking
at
other
revenue
streams
throughout
the
city
that
would
allow
us
to
be
able
to
contribute
more
to
the
Integrated
Waste
fund
as
a
whole.
P
Health
insurance
plan
I
know
that
Larry
Campbell
is
here
and
we
are
asking
approval
to
renew
the
Medicare
eligible
health
care
plan
benefits
and
the
United.
B
AK
I'm
going
to
take
much
of
your
time,
but
I
did
want
to
as
usual.
Thank
the
council
for
working
with
us
for
the
health
benefit
package
for
the
retirees
and
these
this
covers
the
post.
65
retirees
doesn't
take
care
of
the
early
retirees
but
and
there's
a
few
folks
that
all
want
to
thank
on
behalf
of
the
retired
employees
and
the
committee
on
Miss
Perry
Johnson
with
Aflac
was
our
resident
Authority
for
this
last
six
years,
four
years
she
her
time
was
up.
So
you
now
have
a
new
person
at
the
chair.
AK
Our
committee
Miss
Christy
Johnson,
is
HR
at
WC
Bradley.
So
we
look
forward
to
working
with
her
for
the
next
several
years.
I,
don't
see
him
they're,
not
anybody
here
today,
but
FP
NFP,
the
Consultant
Group
is
always
an
integral
part
of
our
conversation
and
helping
us
get
bids
and
those
kinds
of
things
and
then
standing
back
in
the
corner.
Around
me
is
rather
our
leader
in
the
HR
department
are
great.
AK
AK
We've
had
former
mayors,
former
counselors
judges,
lots
of
different
folks
as
members,
so
always
looking
forward
to
members
and
again,
thank
you
all
for
what
you
do.
We've
saved
the
employees
some
money
this
time
again
and
which
in
turn
saves
the
city
taxpayers
of
money
because
of
your
how
you
share
and
our
premium
so
again.
Thank
you,
I
appreciate
all
you
do
for
us
and
hopefully
see
you
this
time
next
year.
Thank.
P
You
Mr
Campbell
and
thank
you
to
our
retirees.
Thank
you.
Larry
I've
got
purchases.
Ambulance
I've
got
two
2024
Ford
F-450
ambulance.
B
P
B
B
P
Talking
about
it
and
so
number
Item,
B,
Declan
equipment,
Surplus
and
we'll
go
to
auction,
and
the
one
thing
that
we've
committed
in
the
past
is
that
we
would
not
auction
off
Public
Safety
vehicles.
P
Number
c
would
be
defibrillators
and
accessories
for
Fire
EMS,
Department,
D
maintenance,
service
agreement
for
a
life
pack,
15
cardiac
monitors
for
Fire
EMS,
Department
e
repair
of
motor
grader
for
Public
Works,
Department,
closed
circuit
television,
camera
truck
for
engineering
department
to
do
their
work.
Ge
is
a
contract
extension
for
Pursuit
vehicle,
build
outs
and
H
would
be
right
away.
Acquisition
Services,
it's
an
RFP.
AQ
AQ
I
will,
however,
make
have
some
other
discussions
along
the
way
about
each
of
the
slides
that
you'll
see
on
the
screen,
so
I
just
wanted
to
to
bring
this
update
to
you
to
to
bring
you
up
to
where
we
are
with
council's
requests
regarding
numerous
on-demand
services,
and
mainly
the
dial
arrived
premium
service
that
Council
voted
to
expand
the
service
area,
three
quarters
of
a
mile,
and
so
I
just
want
to
start
by
saying
that
Metro
we
pride
ourselves
in
providing
equitable
and
fair,
affordable,
Transit
service
to
all
of
our
Riders,
and
with
that
because
we
are
federally
funded.
AQ
We
have
Federal
mandates
and
I've
heard
that
a
few
times
today,
and
so
we
have
these
federal
guidelines
with
the
FTA
and
with
the
Ada
that
we
must
adhere
to.
We
have
no,
we
cannot
deviate,
we
have
to
adhere
to
them,
and
so
you
know,
I've
been
at
Metro
for
35
years
and
I
have
not
seen
a
situation
where
we
were
given
opportunity
to
deviate.
AQ
When
you
get
certain
requests
that
you
have
to
try
to
figure
out
how
you're
going
to
accommodate
everybody-
and
you
do
the
best
you
can
within
the
regulations
so
as
I
go
through
this
slide,
if
you're
there
with
me
and
some
of
the
topics
here
today,
they're
sensitive
in
nature,
but
they
are
important,
they're
very
important
because
it's
transportation
for
our
citizens
and
we
can't
look
at
from
our
perspective,
one
person
versus
another
person
or
another.
AQ
We
have
to
look
at
every
person
when
it
comes
to
public
transit
and
so,
at
the
end,
I'll
be
happier
whenever
you
you,
you
know
want
to
ask
me
any
questions,
but
I'll
go
through
it,
and
so
the
first
one
says
regulatory
requirements
per
the
Ada
regulations
providing
premium,
and
this
is
regarding
the
premium
service
that
you
ask
us
to
look
into
providing
premium
service
and
additional
three-quarter
mile
must
not
negatively
impact
metra's
ability
to
deliver
ADA
Compliant
Paratransit
service
within
the
required
three-quarter
mile
corridor
per
the
Ada
regulations.
AQ
AQ
Independent
study
needs
to
be
determined
so
that
we
could
get
the
cost
for
materials,
equipment,
Vehicles
personnel
and
other
resources
to
implement
a
service
expansion
in
compliance
with
the
federal
regulations,
so
that
little
drawing
that
you
see
there
on
the
screen
is
just
a
a
schematic
for
me
to
try
to
explain
if
you
can
Envision
this
being
a
city
map.
I
just
didn't
want
something
to
be
too
small
that
you
couldn't
see
it.
That.
G
Rose,
excuse
me
just
a
minute:
what
are
you
talking
about
just
for
clarifications,
so
everybody
can
understand.
Where
does
the
three-quarter
mile
start?
Is
that
Center
Center
of
Columbus
Georgia
or
how
is
that
measured?
It.
D
AQ
P
Can
I
say:
okay,
yes,
sir,
so
let
me
approaching
them!
So
if
you
go
to
any
bus,
stop
in
the
city,
where
you
see
that
bus
stop
saying
you
got
to
go
three-fourths
of
a
mile
beyond
that
bus,
stop
sign
to
pick
an
ADA
person
up,
I,
don't
care
where
that
bus
stop!
So
it's
it's
got
it
by
the
bus
stops
right
well,.
AQ
It's
really
tricky
because
the
Ada
even
says
in
the
corridors.
We
have
to
provide
88,
I'm,
so
sorry
Ada
service,
so
we're
looking
at
that
the
outside
perimeter,
because
inside
of
our
service
area,
where
buses
travel
through
routes,
we're
already
covering
that
that's
all
covered,
that's
covered
throughout
the
City
by
Ada.
There
are
places
that
the
person
and
I
can
tell
you.
Persons
with
disabilities
in
Columbus
get
far
greater
service
than
people
on
fixed
route,
because
we
we
go
to
their
homes
to
pick
them
up.
They're
in
our
service
area.
AQ
There
are
places
within
the
city,
say:
Macon
Road
out
by
Sears
Woods
Williams
Road
by
botanical,
gardens,
Morris
Road
out
Forest
Road.
We
don't
travel
there
in
a
fixed
route.
So
if
a
fixed
route
person
wanted
to
go,
they'd
have
to
walk,
but
Paratransit
we
take
them.
They
get
to
go
all
of
those
places,
plus
an
additional
three-quarter
mile
that
the
FTA
requires
Now
transit
systems.
AQ
D
AQ
G
And
when
I
say
I'm
sorry
we
have
another
question
hold
on
a
minute:
counselor
Tucker.
Y
Yes,
I
was
gonna,
actually
wait
until
you
go
to
the
next.
D
AQ
Ahead
and
show
there
are
so,
there
are
restrictions
with
the
Ada
requirement,
such.
D
AQ
Hours
and
days
of
service
for
the
for
the
ABA
Paratransit
that
we're
currently
providing
there
cannot
be
any
situations
where
we
cannot
provide
the
hours
and
days
and
they
have
to
mirror
the
fixed
route.
So
whatever
the
fixed
route
is
doing
in
terms
of
of
hours
and
days,
we
have
to
do
that
for
the
ADA
Paratransit,
which
we
do
when
we
always
have
the
service
area
fares,
everything
we
can't
even
have
capacity
constraints.
AQ
You
know
they
they
can
negotiate
times
with
them
because
they
know
the
priority.
Is
the
Ada
compliant
areas?
So
you
know
that
part
I
just
think.
AQ
So
in
moving
forward
with
the
consultant,
timeline
and
and
I
know
that
we'll
probably
get
some
questions
on
this
and
I'll
try
to
answer
them
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
so
the
first
right
here,
October
3rd
and
5th.
This
is
the
consultant's
timeline
and
we
have
fast
forwarded
this
thing.
We
have
moved
this
so
to
the
point
that
they've
said,
we
can't
go
any
faster.
AQ
We
can't
do
it
not
and
do
it
according
to
the
federal
regulations
in
the
process,
so
they
have
scheduled
October
3rd
and
the
5th
for
stakeholder
meetings
public
to
for
the
public
input
that
includes
disability.
Community
agencies
like
the
Easter
seal
Access
to
Independence
River,
Valley,
Regional
Commission.
All
of
this
will
be
involved
in
our
citizen
advisory
committee.
Technical
coordinating
public
I
mean
the
policy
Coordinating
Committee.
We
will
have
everybody
engaged
in
all
of
this
process,
because
that's
what
FTA
says
You
must
do.
AQ
You
cannot
leave
out
the
fixed
route,
customers
to
you
know
from
having
a
voice
or
input
in
it,
and
so
the
Consultants
are
going
to
come
in
and
in
person.
Two
separate
dates
and
meet
with
everybody
to
get
input
then
October
6
through
November
20th,
is
when
they're
going
to
start
compiling
the
data
everybody's
input.
AQ
Okay
on
the
third
and
I'll,
go
back
and
verify
this
date,
but
on
the
third,
it's
going
to
be
here
and
we'll
put
information
out
to
to
the
public
here
at
the
community.
City
Services
Center
community
room
and
the
meeting
will
be
from
five
until
seven
in
the
evening
and
then
on
the
fifth.
It
will
be
at
the
Civic
Center
in
the
hospitality
suite
same
time:
5
p.m
until
7
pm.
AQ
So
those
are
the
days
that
we
we're
going
to
do
when
I
say
putting
this
information
out
promoting
campaign
it
putting
it
out
on
every
website
we're
getting
it
out.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
everybody
is,
is
able
to
attend
one
or
the
other.
AQ
So
then
October
6th
through
November
20th
is
when,
as
I
said,
they
are
putting
all
the
data
together.
Everybody's
input,
all
of
the
agencies,
all
of
the
stakeholders,
a
disability,
Community
data
from
Metro
on
ridership,
because
they've
got
to
look
at
whether
we
have
we're
having
any
issues
internally
before
they
Implement
something
addition
and
and
they've
got
to
look
at
all
and
they
can
project
whether
they
can
see
the
need
to
increase
more
service
with
with
the
80
current
ADA
Paratransit.
AQ
First,
that's
what
they're
going
to
look
at,
and
so
once
they
compile
this
data,
then
they
are
going
to
come
back.
Two
meetings
on
November
28th
in
person,
two
in-person
meetings
and
they're
working
out
the
schedule
for
that
because
they
want
to
set
one
say
earlier,
like
around
lunch
time
where
people
can
come
and
then
one
in
the
evening
and
then
on
the
29th
it'll,
be
a
virtual
meeting
and
it'll
be
a
link.
AQ
They'll,
send
us
a
link
and
for
people
who
you
know
can't
attend
they
can
they
can
go
online
and
attend
the
meeting
then
on
December
12th
they're
going
to
come
back
to
council
here
and
let
you
all
know
what
the
findings
were,
what
the
public
said
they
want
and
what
the
study
showed.
Columbus
should
do
or
their
recommendations
they're
going
to
give
you
what
options
they
think
you
should
consider.
AQ
Y
Ma'am
so
I
have
several
questions,
but
first
I
want
to
thank
those
that
actually
came.
I
know
we
lost
some
people,
I
see
Coco
out
in
the
audience
from
nfbga
post
333,
my
my
people
miss
Patricia
and
Mr
Joe
out
there.
Y
This
is
extremely
important
to
to
the
community
and
I
think
the
timeline
is
a
bit
long,
October
6th
through
November
20th,
that's
over
a
month
to
do
a
draft
report,
I
mean
sometimes
we
do
stuff
in
two
weeks
and
I
will
say
this
and
I
hope
that
we
can
get.
We
got
a
lot
of
veterans.
You
know
out
in
the
community.
I
hope
that
we
can
get
a
lot
of
public
input,
the
public
to
come
out,
but
most
of
our
meetings.
Y
It's
not
a
large
crowd,
so
I'm
not
sure
why
it
would
take
more
than
a
month
to
study.
Draft
report
and
I
know
that
you
mentioned
some
additional
things
like
they're,
studying
your
capacity
and
your
bandwidth
to
actually
Implement.
You
know
what
council
it
has
approved.
Y
That
will
be
part
of
that
that
study
but
you're
moving
all
the
way
into
Thanksgiving
and
then
Christians.
So
it
just
seems
like
this
and
I
know
you're
saying
that
the
consultant
said
they
cannot.
You
know
condense
this
timeline,
but
it
the
timeline,
seems
extremely
long
for
this
process.
That's
number
one
number
and
that's
really
just
a
statement,
so
how
how
many
individuals
actually
ride
the
Dollar
Ride.
AQ
On
a
daily
basis,
now
we
could
get
over
200
and
that's
because
of
covet
we've
we've
lost
it's
starting
to
pick
back
up
and
we
operate
eight
buses
on
the
Paratransit
on
a
daily
basis
and
200
250
is
a
lot
as
it
is
right.
Now
it's
a
lot
to
pick
up
because
you
it's
a
shared
ride
and
you're
picking
people
up
from
their
homes.
It
may
take
a
while
for
them
to
get
to
the
bus.
You
know
average
30
minute
per
person
and.
Y
Y
Just
to
get
an
actual
like
during
this
whole
time
that
we're
doing
this
study
can
we
actually
capture
how
many
people
are
doing
the
dollar
ride.
That
would
be
very
helpful
and
also
I
did
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
reiterate
and
I
know
that
this
is
the
premium
service,
but
per
Ada.
Y
When
we're
talking
about
this,
every
city
can
choose
to
go
above
and
beyond
above
and
beyond
correct
right.
Yes,
so
when
Council
approved
it,
of
course
it
was
one
individual
who's,
a
veteran
and
he
his
routes
that
he
lives
on
the
individual,
Mr
Joe,
that's
sitting
behind
Mr
Broadwater.
Y
They
live
on
the
same
street
like
four
houses
down
from
each
other,
and
that
that
was
the
reason
why
this
became
a
concern,
because
the
individual,
on
a
daily
basis,
looks
at
Dollar
Ride,
passed
by
his
house
to
pick
up
Mr
Joe.
So
my
question
is
far
as
capacity
and
and
truly
extending
the
service.
Y
Y
How
are
we
because,
yes,
we're
we're
advertising
the
public
meetings,
but
do
we
have
some
type
of
database
where
we
can
pull
from
those
individuals
who
may
be
visually
impaired
or
whatever
type
of
disability
that
they
have
where
we
are
reaching
out
to
those
individuals
and
actually
letting
them
know
of
the
services
that
we
are
providing
as
a
city
just
to
see
if
they're
interested,
because
some
people
might
not
need
the
service?
Some
people
may
have
a
family
member
that
will
be
able
to
take
them
around,
but
just
truly
do
an
assessment.
Y
Like
A
needs
assessment
for
our
community
I.
Think
we're
going
to
do.
It
will
be
us
doing
our
due
diligence
for
that
Community
because
they
need
to
have
you
know
quality
of
life
just
like
everybody
else.
You
know,
and
a
lot
of
people
I'm
noticing
like
Rico
is
work.
He's
working
and
other
people
want
to
work.
You
know
other
people
want
to
get
around
so
I'm
just
wondering
when
we're
doing
this
study.
How
are
we
actually
because
one
of
the
things
we
hear
is
counselors?
Y
Well,
we
didn't
know
that
you
had
a
public
meeting
everybody's,
not
watching
City,
Council
meetings,
everybody
not
watching
wrbl
or
WTV
number
or
the
the
news
or
listen
to
the
radio.
So
how
are
we
actually
getting
this
information
out
to
the
ones
that
would
possibly
need
this
or
who
this
actually
impacts?.
AQ
We
we
get
the
information
out
through
every
medium
that
we
know
of
now.
Granted
some
people
may
not
hear
it
if
they
don't
watch
TV,
but
through
every
on
the
websites
we
put
flyers
on
buses,
we
communicate
with
our
customers,
everybody
that
gets
on
a
Metro
bus
will
know
about
it.
We
also
reach
out
to
the
agencies
with
Tiasha
doing
the
city's
information
we
every
way
of
getting
information
out
is
how
we
do
it.
AQ
I
mean
if,
if
we
miss
somebody,
you
know
we've
done
all
we
can
do
to
get
the
information
out
to
everybody.
We've
not
had
that
problem.
We've
not
had
anybody
complain
when
we
do
events
or
public
meetings
to
say
that
they
didn't
know
about
it.
So
I'm
not
saying
it
won't
happen
counselor,
but
we
do
everything
we
can
to
get
and
that's
one
reason
why
we
really
can't
rush
the
con.
The
consultant
we've
got
to
let
the
process
work
so
that
everybody
can
be
involved.
AQ
The
more
you
rush
it
you're
going
to
miss
people,
and
we
want
everybody
to
have
an
opportunity
and
when
I
say
this
timeline
was
pushed
up,
it
was
really
pushed
forward
fast.
They've
got
to
gather.
Do
data
I'm,
not
the
subject,
matter
expert,
but
you
know
this
is
not
something
that
they
take
lightly
because
they
have
to.
They
know
that
this
city
by
this
government
body
has
to
answer
to
the
FTA,
and
so,
while
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
everybody
gets
transportation,
we
want
to
make
sure
we
do
it
the
right
way.
AQ
So,
with
that
being
said,
even
on
our
fixed
route
service,
we
have
people
riding
wheelchairs
all
day
every
day
up
and
down
Winton
Road
main
control
wherever
in
motorized
chairs.
This
is
a
way
of
life.
For
them
they
get
up,
leave
home
out
of
their
communities
and
go
to
a
bus.
Stop
is
very
common,
but
they
choose
to
because
they
can
not.
Everybody
can
do
that.
AQ
So
what
the
Ada
says
is
a
person
for
whatever
their
disability
is,
cannot
navigate
your
fixed
route
service
well
for
whatever,
if
it's
cognitive,
if
it's
physical
disability,
whatever
it
is,
they
qualify
for
the
ADA
Paratransit
so
but
we,
our
fixed
route,
buses,
have
wheelchair
accommodations.
So
we
do
this.
Every
day
we
have
ADA
Paratransit
customers
who
chose
to
ride
fixed
route.
AQ
I'll
mention
that
back
when
Deputy
city
manager,
Lisa
Goodwin,
was
the
director
and
our
Ada
Service
ridership
was
picking
up.
She
implemented
a
program
called
the
PIP
Paratransit
incentive
program
and
that
program
is
still
in
place
at
Metra.
If
a
person
qualifies
for
Dollar
Ride
because
of
their
disability,
but
they
choose
to
use
fixed
route,
they
they
decide.
Okay,
I
can
do
this
for
certain
trips.
I
can
take
the
fixed
route
bus
to
go
to
a
doctor's
appointment
or
you
know,
to
school,
or
what
have
you
they
get
to
ride
fixed
route
for
free.
AQ
So
we
have
people
who
have
disabilities,
but
they
don't
all
want
to
be
Reliant.
You
know
on
that
service.
They
want
to
be
independent,
like
everybody
else,
go
to
the
grocery
store
when
they
get
ready
go
to
down
on
the
Riverwalk
when
they
get
ready,
they
don't
want
to
have
to
call
and
schedule
a
trip.
AQ
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
we
do
it
in
a
timely
manner
so
that
it
comes
out,
and
you
have
good
information
from
people
within
the
community.
Y
How
many
and
and
because
you
mentioned
cognitive
I
had
an
individual
this
weekend,
while
I
was
at
my
veterans
meeting,
she
has
a
daughter
with
a
cognitive
disability
and
she
said
she
was
denied
and
she
actually
wanted
to.
You
know
appeal
and
I
didn't
know
that
process
I
gave
her
my
phone
number
and
I
probably
just
circled
back
around
to
Miss
Carolyn
that
came
to
the
meeting,
but
how?
How
many?
How
many
people
do
we
actually
deny
for
this?
Y
This
dessert
I.
AQ
Don't
have
that
information
but
I
have
it
available
I?
Have
it
I,
don't
have
it
with
me?
It's
is
a
case-by-case
I
can't
you
know,
give
you
an
exact
number,
but
because
covid
is
kind
of
sorted.
AQ
Well,
it's
picking
back
up
but
kind
of
sort
of
behind
us
we're
starting
to
get
more
information
on
applications,
we're
starting
to
get
more
and
more
applications
in,
and
so,
if
and
under
the
Ada
and
I
think
we're
a
little
bit
more
I
shouldn't,
say
generous,
but
we
we
are
not
as
stringent
with
our
process
of
approval
as
a
lot
of
cities,
a
lot
of
cities
if
you
are
able
to
get
out
and-
and
unless
you
have
some-
you
know
severe
cognitive
disabilities-
they
don't
just
say.
AQ
Yes,
you
approve,
they
look
at
how
you
can
navigate
the
system
and
then
based
on
your
doctor's
information,
because
our
process
requires
the
the
applicant
to
take
the
application
to
their
physician
and
say
the
physician
doesn't
make
the
final
decision
all
of
that
is
handled
at
Metro.
But
we
take
that
information
and
look
at
whether
the
doctor
says
they
can
walk
to
a
bus,
stop,
they
can
climb
some
flights
of
stairs
or
they
can
travel
by
themselves
independently,
and
then
we
bring
them
in
for
an
interview
in
person
have
conversations
with
them
to
see.
Y
Yeah
I
just
think:
that's
that's
good
to
see
how
many
people
we
deny
basic
and
also
in
comparison
with
actually
how
many
people
were
actually
servicing
on
a
daily
basis
and
just
look
at
that
as
a
whole.
One
we're
doing
the
the
whole
study
part.
AQ
In
the
in
the
Consultants
you
know
these
are
people
that
are
experts
like
I,
said
one
of
one
of
them
and
I
think
the
city
manager
mentioned
it
on
the
22nd
of
August
40
years
of
experience.
You
know
doing
this
working
with
these
type
of
studies.
In
fact,
they
are
doing
a
study
now
for
one
of
the
the
transit
systems
here
in
Georgia.
That's
how
we
were
able
to
to
get
this
this
process
moving
quicker
and
not
have
to
go
out
for
an
RFP,
because
they
are
currently
doing
a
conducting
a
study.
AQ
So
if
there
are
no
more
I'll
go
to
the
next
slide,
okay,
just
and
I
will
counselor
Tucker
speak
a
little
bit
more
as
we
get
closer.
J
U
AQ
U
Is
as
far
I
have
a
concern,
I
feel
the
same
way
that
counselor
Tom
Tucker
feels
I
think
that
we
need
to
shorten
this
timeline
somewhat,
because
it
is
an
exorbitant
period
of
time.
But
my
question
is
this
here,
and
this
may
seem
somewhat
picky
you
whatever
and
I
I,
have
to
probably
refer
to
this
Council
to
try
to
help
the
old
man
out
a
little
bit.
But
what
is
driving
this
study?
Is
it
one
of
these
two
things
here?
These
regulations
is
that
what's
doing
it
what's
driving.
B
U
I'm,
could
you
go
through
the
those
regulations
and
it's
the
second
one?
Okay,
so
the
first
one
it
says
providing
premium.
Services
explains
it.
The
second
one
is
this
per
Ada
regulations.
Yes,
sir,
and
it
says
what
now
you
have
to
help
me
out
with
this
here.
The
process
of
expanding
a
service
area
should
be
done
in
consultation
with
the
community.
Yes,
sir,
okay,
this
might
seem
somewhat
Picayune
and
whatever
maybe
the
words
have
changed.
U
So
what
I'm
gonna
have
to
rely
on
my
fellow
counselors
here,
but
there's
a
difference
between,
should
give
you
the
way
that
you
should
do.
It
doesn't
mean
it's
mandatory
and
that's
my
concern
that
kind
of
stopped
me
from
the
beginning.
Now,
if
he
said
it
must
be
done,
it's
different
to
me.
Now
am
I.
Being
someone
pick
you
I
could
refer
to
the
the
the
the
the
academic
scholar
here.
The
English
I.
U
U
U
Community
there
has
to
be
some
verbiage.
Now
am
I
wrong,
am
I
being
a
little
pick
you
in
here,
if
it
said,
must
there's
no
there's
no
question
it
has
to
happen,
should
gives
me
leeway.
Well,
I,
don't
choose
to
do
it
and
that's
what
I
had
problems
with
from
the
beginning
when
you
went
down
my
military
training
get
to
so
this
says
should
be
done
in
consultation
with
the
community.
If
that
said,
the
process
of
expanding
a
service
area
must
be
done
in
accordance
in
consultation
with
the
community.
U
Y
AQ
I'm
sorry,
when
we
were
putting
this
information
together,
we
had
already
conveyed
that
public
participation
had
to
happen,
which
is
why
we
were
bringing
the
Consultants
on.
We
didn't.
You
know
just
oh
yeah,
it's
just
a
choice
of
wording
and
I
can
see
why
that
would
don't
push
it.
AQ
X
D
U
U
U
I
I
I
think
we
need
to
shorten
it,
but
what
bothered
me
is
that
second
thing
when
they
say
that
it
should
be
done,
should
be
done
means
well,
that's
fine,
that's
true,
not
mine
must
be
done,
means
you
have
to
do
it,
there's
no
ifs,
ands
or
buts
about
it
and
I'm
stuck
on
that
terminology.
Well
should
mean
something
entirely
different
to
me
than
most
so.
U
B
AK
AQ
Okay,
all
right
so
moving
along
to
the
next
slide,
we're
we're
discussing
another
mode
of
service
on
demand
from
Council
at
council's
requests,
and
so
I
wanted
to
try
to
bring
you
to
where
we
are.
With
this,
when
we
were
asked
to
look
into
this
on-demand
service,
where
we
would
have
Vans
or
vehicles
to
go
throughout
the
city
to
pick
up
citizens
and
take
them
sort
of
like
an
Uber
Lyft
type
of
service,
we
did
some
extensive
research,
our
staff
we've
done
some
extensive
research
on
this
and
I'll.
AQ
Tell
you
some
of
that.
What
we
got
out
of
that,
but
the
discussion
begun
about
a
year
ago,
we've
learned
that
the
service
is
very
costly
to
operate
is
labor
intensive
demands
exceed
ability,
provide
the
service.
You
have
long
wait
times,
capacity
constraints,
vehicle
shortages,
other
agencies
had
only
this
service
as
a
mode
of
transportation.
AQ
They
discontinued
their
fixed
route
or,
if,
for
whatever
reason,
if
they're,
if
they're
a
fixed
route
service,
ridership
decreased,
they
would
Implement
a
microtransit.
A
lot
of
agencies
implemented
a
micro
transit
for
first
mile
Last
Mile
to
connect
people
to
the
fixed
route
to
get
people
into
the
service
area.
AQ
So
we
talked
to
several
agencies:
Hall
County
transit
in
Gainesville.
They
had
a
very
small
fixed
route
system
transporting
about
400
people
a
day.
It
wasn't
cost
effective
for
them
to
continue
a
fixed
route
service,
so
they
implemented
a
micro
Transit
service
and
we
talk
with
them
their
bus.
They
went
from
seven
vehicles
to
17
Vehicles.
It
was
a
big
demand
for
it,
but
they're
they're
right
now
trying
to
figure
out
some
days
how
they're
going
to
meet
that
demand,
but
it
worked
better
for
them
opposed
to
a
fixed
route.
AQ
We
don't
have
that
same
problem.
We
transport
now
we're
climbing
3
000
trips
a
day.
So
the
idea
of
eliminating
a
fixed
route
in
Columbus
or
substituting
it
for
microtransit
would
not
be
ideal
for
us.
We
we
would.
We
would
have
to
put
a
microtransit
out
there
in
addition
to
what
we
have
in
addition
to
our
ADA
Paratransit.
AQ
We
talk
with
Marta
who
worked.
They
worked
with
Georgia
Tech
and
did
a
six-month
pilot
that
Georgia
Tech
developed
an
app
for
them,
so
they
could
see
if
they
could
Implement
on
demand
six
months
and
they've
not
taken
that
any
further.
We
talked
with
them
to
ask
them
what
you
know
what
happened.
They
said
in
the
planning
process.
There
were
some
things
that
they
didn't
anticipate
so
that
was
placed
on
hold
Valdosta
Georgia.
They
didn't
have
a
fixed
route.
So,
yes,
they
have
a
micro
Transit
service
in
place
to
help
people
get.
AQ
AQ
It's
a
great
service,
but
it's
costly.
You
got
to
have
the
vehicles
for
it.
You
got
to
have
the
staff
for
it.
You
have
to
have
the
resources
when
you
implement
a
service
such
as
that,
so
agencies
that
are
able
to
do
it.
You
know
that.
That's
that's
great!
For
that
Community.
You
know.
I've
just
not
talked
to
one
that
have
fixed
route.
Ada
Paratransit
and
also
providing
that
on
demand,
even
in
Valdosta
I,
mean
I'm.
Sorry
in
Gainesville
they
only
pick
up
persons
with
disabilities
at
home.
AQ
Everybody
else
that
uses
the
on-demand
have
to
go
to
a
a
certain
point
on
a
thoroughfare
at
an
intersection.
They
don't
get
picked
up
at
home,
and
so
it
is
again
shared
ride.
It's
great
program,
user,
app!
It's
you,
you
don't
it's
cashless,
you
pay
for
it
like
I,
say
you
know
through
the
through
the
app,
but
it
is
a
costly
service
and
I
just
wanted
to
to
mention
that
and
if
we
were,
if
the
city
were
to
implement
that
type
of
service,
we
would
need
a
consultant.
AQ
We
would
need
someone
expert
to
come
in
and
do
an
assessment
or
you
know,
we'd
have
to
put
an
RFP
out.
We
have
a
resolution
ready.
You
know
if
that's
something
Council
wants
to
do
or
move
forward
with,
but
I
just
wanted
to
bring
to
you
what
we
have
our
research.
Our
assistant
director
attended
a
National
Conference
not
long
ago,
and
he
he
went
there
for
the
purpose
to
find
out
about
microtransit
and
the
question
he's
asked
is:
are
you
sure
you
want
to
do
that?
AQ
Are
you
sure
you
know
we
can
tell
you
all
of
the
pros
and
cons
but
think
it
through
before
you.
You
know
seriously,
consider
it
so
just
to
kind
of
give
you
a
current
status
of
where
we
are
at
Metra,
we're
currently
down
eight
fixed
route,
bus
operators,
which
is
great.
We
we
were
down
about
22,
fixed
route
and
because
of
the
pay
study
we
we
and
we
we
have
applications,
so
we're
going
to
be
interviewing
and
hopefully
that
number
will
go
down
even
more
in
our
maintenance,
Division
and
I'm.
AQ
Sorry,
I
didn't
put
that
on
the
slide
out
of
16
positions,
we
have
five
vacancies
they're
a
little
bit
more
difficult
to
feel
for
that
skill,
maintenance
staff.
So
we're
having
a
few
challenges
with
that,
but
just
want
to
let
you
know
that,
while
we're
looking
at
all
these
different
Services,
where
we
are
right
now
we're
not
where
we
should
be
or
want
to
be
right.
Now
we're
still
running
a
reduced
Saturday
schedule
for
fixed
route.
AQ
We
have
not
reinstated
that
service
yet
so,
and
then
on
this,
where
you
say
the
T,
where
you
see
the
T
splash,
the
2022
Metro
was
awarded
25
million
dollars,
though
that
money
is
already
earmarked
for
projects,
capital
projects
for
for
personnel
salaries,
and
what
have
you
and
15
million
of
it
is
for
salaries
for
the
next
10
years,
so
monies
that
we
have
are
grants
that
we
go
after
for
specific
items,
for
electric
buses
or
or
you
know,
solar
bus
stop
lightings
us
shelters.
AQ
Those
are
things
that
we
go
after
and
so
and
we
do
have
grant
funding
that
we
use
that.
We
get
every
every
year
from
the
federal
government
for
our
capital
projects
and
those
type
of
things
I
also
want
to
mention
the
Uptown
shuttle.
AQ
I
will
go
to
that
slide
because
I
just
want
you
to
see
that
Metro's
doing
a
lot
and-
and
you
know,
as
we
go
through
all
of
these
different
additional
premium,
Services
we've
got
to
consider
some
costs
involved.
AQ
This
was
approved
through
the
the
2020
T
Splash
for
the
Uptown
shuttle,
where
we
have
the
golf
carts
they're
going
to
be
coming
soon
and
just
to
tell
you
the
timeline
for
that.
Because
of
a
demand
and
shortage
and
supplies,
we
we
won't
be
able
to
implement
it
until
right
before
Christmas.
The
cards
are
scheduled
to
arrive
to
us
sometime
around
November,
23rd
and
December
right
before
Christmas.
We
should
have
those
golf
carts
Uptown.
AQ
We
will
be
doing
a
test
of
the
service
without
current
golf
carts
sometime
in
October,
so
just
to
kind
of
show
you
you
know
just
where
we
are
with
the
golf
cart,
we're
excited
about
roll
with
us
because
we
had
to
fund
it.
Y'all
approved
it.
It
was
in
the
budget.
The
money
was
there,
we
got
Staffing,
we
got
the
little
golf
carts
and
so
we're
ready
to
do
that
program
in
terms
of
of
all
of
the
other
programs
and
I
just
want
to
put
this
before
you.
AQ
Our
primary
services
are
the
fixed
route
and
the
ADA
Paratransit
that
we
currently
provided.
We
do
good
job.
We're
asked
to
look
at
on
demand.
We
currently
do
VA
shuttle.
We
also
do
that
with
our
current
staff.
We
have
managers
supervisors,
anybody
who
we
can
find
to
do
the
VA
shuttle
so
for
fixed
route,
ADA,
Paratransit,
on-demand,
VA,
Uptown,
golf
cart,
shuttle
on
demand,
premium,
Dollar,
Ride
service
and
on-demand
micro
Transit.
That's
a
lot
for
a
transit
system,
our
size
that
is
a
that
is
a
that
is
tremendous.
AQ
So
what
I
would
you
know
as
I
conclude
I,
would
seriously
consider
how
these
services
will
be
funded,
not
just
short
term
but
long
term.
These
are
reoccurring,
costs
and
I
say
that,
because
the
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
give
Citizens
Service
and
take
it
back
as
so
many
other
transit
systems
have
done.
We
don't
want
to
do
that,
because
people
become
dependent,
their
livelihoods
are
dependent
on
it.
So
if
we
know
we
can
sustain
it,
we've
got
money
to
pay
for
it
year
after
year
after
year.
It's
great
I
think
we
should.
AQ
We
would
like
to
see
everybody
in
in
Muskogee.
County
have
means
to,
you,
know,
use
public
transportation,
but
we
got
to
be
able
to
pay
for
it.
Businesses,
development
companies
that
come
here,
that's
what
they
do.
They
say
is
public
transportation
accessible
if
I
build.
If
I
come
there
with
my
business,
will
people
be
able
to
come
to
work
that
don't
own
a
car?
AQ
AQ
We
tried
to
see
what
you
know.
How
can
we
help
him?
You
know
until
this
whole
process
is
completed.
Well,
of
course,
we
know
we
can't
go
outside
of
our
service
area
that
still
stands.
We
cannot
do
that
until
something
changes
through
the
study
or
what
have
it
we
can,
and
so,
when
he
was
initially
informed
that
you
know
Brookstone
would
be
a
good
place.
Of
course
we
know
there
weren't
any
sidewalks,
but
most
people
who
live
outside
of
the
service
area
and
come
into
the
service
area
typically
have
someone
to
transport
them.
AQ
AQ
That
would
be
a
safe
place
because
it
is
we
we
take
people
on
dollar
right
into
Brookstone
all
the
time,
but
inside
of
Brookstone
at
Marlow
and
I
think
is
rudgate.
AQ
If
he's
not
able
to
get
up
to
Brookstone
Center.
If
he's
able
to
get
to
Marlow
and
rutgate,
the
Dollar
Ride
can
come
in
and
pick
him
up
at
that
location.
Now
there
are
no
sidewalks,
you
know,
but
we
know:
we've
we've
Mr
Morrison
has
been
riding
down
around
for
some
years.
He
participates
in
our
communities
in
motion,
so
we
know
Mr
Morrison
Well.
AQ
He
he
also
uses
a
motorized
wheelchair,
but
because
of
this
situation,
I'm
sure
he
hasn't
been
able
to
use
a
motorized
chair
because
he's
having
to
put
his
manual
chair
to
to
get
where
he
needs
to
go.
But
if
he's
able
to
get
to
Marlo
and
rutgate
in
his
motorized
chair,
which
is
about
four
tenths
of
a
mile
from
where
he
lives,
dalarai
can
go
inside
and
pick
him
up
there.
AQ
You
know
there
are
other
options.
We
have
people,
we
have
a
person
and
I'll
say
this.
We
have
someone
right
now
who
lives
outside
of
the
service
area,
on
Double,
Churches
Road
and
where
we
thought
the
Easter
seal
would
be
a
nice
convenient
safe
place
for
the
person
to
come
to,
and
they
agree
that
that
would
be
great.
AQ
So
we
I
I
will
reach
out
to
Mr
Martin
I,
don't
mind
doing
that.
To
talk
with
him
to
ask
him
if
he
is
able
to
get
to
Marlow
and
reggae,
and
we
can
pick
him
up.
We
can
pick
him
up
starting
tomorrow.
If
I,
when
I
talk
to
him
today
and
he's
able
to
get
there,
we
can
go
and
get
him,
but
that's
in
the
service
area.
Y
I
think
the
one
main
concern
is
that
the
Dollar
Ride
passes
his
home
so
and
the
Dollar
Ride
is
already
on
the
route
to
his
house.
So
I
think
that
has
been
like
really.
The
main
concern
in
reference
to
this
I
I
have
a
question.
So
this
October
we're
gonna
have
two
meetings
where
the
public
can
be
heard.
Is
there
any
time
other
than
an
issue
where
Metra
hosts
meetings,
I'm
saying
outside
I'm
on
a
regular
basis
outside
of
issues?
Y
Is
there
you
know
something
where
Metro
actually
hosts
meetings
to
get
feedback
from
the
public?
I
know
that
we
don't
have
a
Transit
Authority
or
an
Advisory
board,
or
anything
like
that?
But
is
there
something
where
and
I
know
that
some
of
the
individuals
that
work
for
Metro
have
been
at
certain
meetings?
I
would
say
you
know
one.
D
Y
Employees
that
came
to
Silver
NAACP
meetings
and
talked
about
the
services
that
you
all
have
at
Marta
I'm,
not
more
measure
apologize,
but
is
there
something
I
know
we're
not
making
making
has
Transit
I
know
you
know
other
areas
has
Transit,
but
do
we
have
some
form
of
public
input
outside
of
issues
on
a
regular
basis.
AQ
Annually,
every
year,
for
probably
more
than
20
years,
we
have
what
we
call
communities,
emotions
and-
and
that's
where
we
survey
and
we
get
input
from
any.
We
have
a
table
set
up
for
you
know
for
our
customers
to
come
over
and
we
publicize
communities
in
motion.
So
that's
how
we
met
Mr
Morrison
through
Access
to
Independence.
We
invite
agencies
to
come
and
participate.
AQ
We
mail
out
letters,
we
send
out
information,
it's
advertised,
we've
had
counselor
house
attend,
he
and
his
wife,
they
come
to
communities
in
motions
and
we
have
it
in
October
of
every
year,
we're
actually
getting
ready
to
meet,
because
during
the
time
that
these
two
meetings
are
being
held,
the
first
week
of
October
is
usually
when
we
have
it,
but
we're
going
to
have
to
push
it
back
a
week
or
so,
but
that's
every
year
and
we
get
input
from
the
community.
So.
Y
AQ
It's
we
don't
have
anything
where
we
do
presentation,
it's
just
where
we
have
surveys
and
we
ask
questions
and
we
get
feedback
from
them
on
whatever
issues
or
concerns
that
they
have
and
we
collect
that
data.
But
we
do
it
on
an
annual
basis.
I
think
one
year
there
was
another
we
partnered
with
gosh.
Can
you
think
of
it
on
the
table
is
what
it
was
called
on.
The
table
was
there,
and
so
we
we
had
it
at
the
same
time
they
they
showed
up.
Y
Do
we
provide
the
results
of
the
input
that's
been
collected.
AQ
That
data
is
collected
and
in-house
by
staff,
if
it's
requested,
we
have
it
available
if
anybody
wants
to
know,
but
it's
usually
data
that
we
have
in
case,
we
need
to
respond
on
something
related
to
the
FTA
or
that
type
of
information
like
what's
your
ridership?
What's
your
when
do
most
people
or
for
a
Transit
study,
when
do
most
people
want
to
use
the
service
or
what
days
of
the
week?
Where
are
most
people
going?
What
types
of
trips
travel
to
work
school?
It's
that
kind
of
data
collected
that
we
use
it
for.
Y
H
I
get
the
thank
you
for
for
putting
together
this
this,
the
presentation,
I
I,
just
get
a
vibe
that
this
is
I
I.
Think
I
would
have
liked
to
see
how
less
of
this
service
is
costly
and
the
demands
are
exceed
our
ability
and
more
of
how
we
are
going
to
implement
this,
because
I
think
this
is
a
need
that
our
community
has
and
and
I
think
Council
voice
that
their
opinions
about
that
quite
passionately.
H
And
so
can
you
can
you
explain
why
it's
okay
for
us
to
why
why
we
have
to
pick
up
on
a
certain
route,
but
we
can
drop
off
anywhere
that
we
want
so
like
if
Mr
rasa,
Ross
Rosso
Wanted
made
it
to
the
pickup
point,
but
then
he
wanted
to
be
dropped
off
at
his
house.
We
could
still
go
into
Brookstone
and
drop
off
at
his
house,
but
we
can't
pick
up
at
his
house.
H
So
if
we
have
to
pick
up
on
the
route,
why
can't
and
and
we
can
drop
off
off
a
route?
Why
can
we
not
I
mean
pick
up
off
the
the
same
location,
I
mean
and
I
understand
from
the
federal
federal
guidelines,
but
but
but
just
for
from
the
common
sense
standpoint,
I
I,
just
I'm
struggling
with
and
I
think
councilor
Barnes
as
well
of
why?
Why
do
we
have
to?
Why?
AQ
AQ
AQ
AQ
You
know
if
it's,
if
it's
a
location
where
he
cannot
get
to
his
job,
he
probably
would
not
be
dropped
off
because
he
can't
get
there
so
people
who,
let's
let's
say
if
a
person
can't
get
to
where
they
need
to
be
on
on
the
dollar,
ride
on
the
Paratransit
independently.
AQ
They
are
not
going
to
use
it.
They're
not
going
to
get
picked
up
and
get
dropped
off
to
be
left
somewhere.
Some
people
will
use
the
private
vans
that
go
around
if
they
need
to
because
their
workplace
may
be
further
or
where
they're
going
than
where
they
can
travel.
So
there
are
independent
private,
non
medical
emergency
vans
that
are
all
over
the
city
that
people
choose
to
use
they
for
whatever
reason
some
people
qualify
for
Medicaid
and
it
pays
for
their
trips,
so
they
will
opt
to
use
those
type
vehicles
to
get
them.
AQ
AQ
Up,
thank
you.
I
I,
just
wanted
to
you
know,
appreciate
your
concern
and
your
passion
about
this
I
think
you
know
my
concern
is
I
want
to
go
on
record
publicly
as
saying
when
we
consider
all
of
these
different
services.
AQ
But
thank
you.
Yes,
sir.
B
AQ
P
So
mayor
next
we've
got
director
Ryan
Pruitt
on
the
judicial
Center
and
he
has
Our
Guest
that
he
will
introduce.
AF
Thank
you,
Mr
city
manager,
good
afternoon,
mayor
members
of
council
I'm
here
to
provide
an
update
on
the
judicial
Center,
where
we
stand
with
the
design
process
and
the
project
as
a
whole.
So
I'm
going
to
be
pretty
brief
in
my
remarks.
I'll
introduce
our
team
members
here
in
a
second,
but
it
is
a
process
that
we
are
going
through
really,
since
2019
is
when
we
started
meeting
with
the
user
groups
trying
to
understand
their
needs
and
preferences
and
how
we
could
best
deliver
those
giving
me
the
budget
that
we
have.
AF
So
we
continue
to
go
through
that
process.
You
know
we
currently
under
contract,
have
a
design
team
through
the
slam
collaborative.
We
also
have
a
construction
manager
through
gilbane
building
company
and
so
they're
at
the
table
through
this
whole
process,
and
so
when
we
make
a
change
on
the
design
side,
the
building
side
could
let
us
know
what
the
implications
are
on
that
from
a
cost
standpoint.
So
we've
been
working
through
that
process,
making
making
good
progress
but
still
meeting
with
the
users
to
be
able
to
deliver.
AF
AF
We
have
will
Barnes
and
Paul
Gibson
here
with
Barnes
Gibson
Partners
in
Architecture
Firm
here
locally
on
the
building
side,
we
have
Henry
painter
a
senior
project
executive
with
Gilman
Building
Company,
and
then
we
also
have
David
Hawkins
with
Freeman
and
Associates,
who
is
the
local
contractor
partnered
up
with
gilbang,
so
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Doug
and
let
him
go
through
the
presentation.
O
O
O
We
develop
program
recommendations
really
through
January
of
20
and
moving
into
April
of
22..
Those
are
done
in
concert
with
all
the
users
we
met.
We
toured
they
can.
We
did
surveys
with
them.
O
We
targeted
kind
of
the
core
judicial
components
at
about
311
000,
building
growth
square
feet
that
projection
included
expansion,
space,
their
future
staff,
it
included
right
sizing
and
it
included
best
practices
which
all
impacted
the
total
square
footage
we
incorporated
14
courtrooms,
which
is
a
growth
over
the
10
that
currently
provided,
and
it
included
all
of
those
listed
components
or
departments.
O
We
had
Superior
Court,
State,
juvenile
probate
magistrate,
Municipal,
the
clerk
of
courts,
district
attorney,
public
defender,
the
law,
library,
the
sheriff's
security
component,
not
their
administrative
component,
jury
assembly
and
the
accountability,
Accord
and
there's
a
few
other
minor.
But
those
are
the
main
players
and
I
want
you
to
note.
As
we
go
through
this
timeline,
they're
gonna,
that's
going
to
be
consistent.
We
have
retained
all
of
the
participants
within
this
entire
process.
O
There
were
some
original
options
where
we
had
recorders
court
was
at
one
point
considered
as
part
of
the
the
courthouse
project
as
well
as
at
one
time
that
we
had
the
sheriff's
Administration
and,
and
they
they
did
not
remain
in
the
project
and
in
their
respective
places.
We
had
a
target
for
parking
and
we
had
identified
a
construction
budget
of
around
185
million.
O
So
construction
cost
includes
really
everything
it
takes
to
get
the
building
built,
but
it
also
includes
any
temporary
measures
that
had
to
be
provided.
It
includes
for
the
demolition
as
well.
That's
in
that
construction
budget
number
there
are
other
funds
within
the
splost,
but
that's
I'm,
going
to
just
focus
on
construction
budget.
O
Moving
forward
in
August
of
22
we
presented
schematic
design.
In
this
instance,
we
had
a
around
315
000
square
feet,
same
14,
courtrooms
all
the
same
participants,
the
parking
spaces,
and
in
this
case
we
are
had
were
within
six
and
a
half
percent
of
our
Target
budget.
O
You're
going
to
see
the
budget
fluctuate
a
little
bit,
it's
the
nature
of
the
process.
It
goes
up.
It
comes
back
down.
We
are
doing
this
in
concert
with
our
construction
managers,
providing
the
really
pre-construction
Services
they're,
providing
estimates.
We
have
design
assist
partners
that
are
helping
us
delineate
and
detail
the
scope
as
we
move
forward,
and
you
know
it's
a.
It
is
a
part
of
the
process
of
the
of
the
development
of
the
project.
O
So
from
that
point
we
we
developed
or
trans
transmitted,
that
into
this
lost
recommendations.
So
it's
essentially
that
same
exact,
target
number
and
square
footage
and
the
players
and
participants
within
the
project
which
was
in
November
of
22.
O
In
January
of
23
we
had
produced
in
our
lexicon.
The
next
stage
is
a
design
development
phase.
We
got
a
partial
or
50
set
again.
We
were
tracking
on
our
square
footage.
In
this
case,
we
managed
to
include
an
extra
shelled
courtroom,
just
by
the
way
the
the
layout
of
that
particular
plan
worked.
It
included
all
of
the
Departments
we've
identified
before
the
the
parking,
but
in
this
case
we
have
a
big
jump
relative
to
what
the
estimate
for
that
project
was
at
that
point,
so
we
are
now
24
over.
O
You
know
you
have
to
recall
that
there's
a
lot
of
things
happening
that
affected
really
construction
really
throughout
throughout
our
practice.
We're
seeing
you
know
it
was
affecting
a
number
of
things.
Q
Yes,
good
afternoon,
I'm
Henry
Painter
with
gilbane
Let
Me
Take,
a
Little
Deeper
dive
with
what
doug
was
explaining
and
the
budget
was
set
in
early
2021
and
at
that
point
we
had
factored
in
escalation
and
contingency
yeah,
as
you
can
see
from
this
chart
in
the
year
2021.
This
information
is
from
the
Federal
Reserve.
The
PPI
is
the
producer
price
index.
You
had
an
18.5
percent
increase
in
construction
materials
during
2021..
This
was
right
after
the
budget
was
set.
The
vote
for
the
splice
was
in
November
of
21.
Q
You
know
the
cost
up
to
that:
40
million
dollar
plus
increase
or
34
increase
in
the
construction
material.
So
with
that
I'll
turn
it
back
to
Doug.
O
So,
faced
with
this
challenge,
we
as
a
team
developed
what
we're
calling
the
value
engineering
proposal,
which
is
to
incorporate
portions
of
the
existing
Government
Center,
including
the
east
and
west
wings,
as
well
as
the
plaza
and
the
parking
below
they're
still
achieving
this
315
000
square
feet,
the
number
of
courtrooms
and
everybody
that
was
identified
in
the
original
program.
Target
everybody
still
included.
We
we're
still
achieving
our
parking
count
and
this
value
engine
proposal
got
us
back
to
within
2.7
percent
of
our
budget
at
around
190.
O
You
know
this
was
presented
earlier
this
year.
We
managed
to
spend
a
good
amount
of
time
reviewing
this
with
all
the
user
groups.
O
Here's
a
section
of
of
what
that
proposal
means,
in
effect
we're
building
the
new
courthouse
directly
to
the
north
of
the
east
and
west
wings,
and
engaging
both
the
secure
parking
below
the
Plaza,
we're
utilizing
the
wings
for
the
court
support
space,
the
new
tower
as
I
call
it
or
the
new
new
construction
houses.
All
the
purpose-built
court
functions.
Their
separate
circulations
are
concentrated
in
that
portion
of
the
of
the
construction.
Now.
AA
I
just
want
to
clarify
you
had
said
a
couple
of
times:
14
courtrooms
and
I'm.
Assuming
that's
I
know.
We
had
talked
about
eight
for
the
Superior
Courts
and
you
know
all
of
that
and
then
in
one
slide
you
said
15.
O
S
Thank
you.
So
you
went
back
and
did
redid
the
design
incorporating
the
wings
you
know
so
we're
we
wouldn't
tear
down
the
wings.
Have
you
gone
back
one
step
further
to
see
if,
instead
of
building
a
new
tower,
we
could
redo
the
Old
Tower,
and
if
does
that
save
money
because
we
don't
have
to
buy
as
much
materials
I
mean
I,
know
it
didn't
before,
but
did
we
look
at
that
again?
O
When
no,
we,
when
we
did
our
initial
options
at
the
very
beginning,
we
did
consider
the
practicality
of
renovating
the
existing
Tower
in
order
to
bring
it
up
to
the
square
footage
and
best
practice
and
secure
operations
and
I.
Don't
you
know
the
conclusion
was
it
was
the
most
expensive
and
it
was
not
a
very
practical.
It's.
O
AF
Council,
scrap
I
think
it's
important.
You
know
the
the
original
options
we
had.
Four
original
options
on
Council
made
the
decision
to
go
with
a
new
facility
on
the
existing
site.
You
know
it
was
that
option.
There
was
a
option
to.
AO
AF
It
somewhere
else
in
town
on
the
Green
Field.
There
was
the
option
to
renovate
the
Tower
and
the
cost.
For
that
you
know
we
would
expect
the
cost
to
renovate
it
to
be.
You
know
it's
going
to
go
up,
30
percent,
from
whatever
we
talked
about
back
then,
and
the
bigger
issue
is
finding
temporary
space
for
all
of
the
Court
functions.
You
know
it's
not
as
easy
as
relocating
somebody's
office
space.
AF
There
is
no
way
in
my
opinion
that
you
could
build
the
necessary
addition
to
that
Tower
and
maintain
it
as
an
operating
courthouse,
and
so
there
would
be
tens
of
millions
of
dollars.
I
believe
that
if
we
went
that
route
that
we're
spending
on
a
temporary
facility
for
those
courtrooms,
because
you
have
all
the
inmate
in
custody
on
the
security
Banks,
and
so
we
had
to
find
a
facility
and
retrofit
it
for
the
courtrooms
just
for
those
couple
of
years
right,
okay,.
O
So
they're
waiting
for
this
to
well
there
you
go
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
in
this
new
option
we
really
have
access
to
the
court,
both
from
10th
Street
and
from
the
plaza
they
both
come
together
in
the
lobby
and
go
through
screening.
There's
some.
O
From
our
mindset
relative
to
how
some
of
the
adjacencies
worked
out,
I
think
there
was
one
one
thing
to
note
that
this
particular
scheme,
given
the
available
square
footage
forced
us
to
do
what's
called
here:
A
collegial
or
a
co-located
Judicial
Chambers,
really
for
Superior,
Court
and
I.
Just
wanted
to
note
that,
because
that
came
up
as
part
of
the
review
with
them,
so.
O
As
I
said,
we
have
met
multiple
times
with
each
of
the
users
of
the
building.
We
have
been
focused
on
the
general
concept
of
the
repurposing
and
reuse
of
the
Wings,
incorporating
the
secure
parking
looking
at
their
detailed
plan
layouts
and
making
adjustments
really
with
each
of
these
departments.
O
D
O
So
we
went
back
and
looked
at
how
we
could
address
those
concerns
and
I
have
there's
two
real
options
here:
I'm
calling
this
the
adjacency
alternate.
This
addresses
the
need
or
the
preference
primarily
Superior
Court,
to
have
their
offices
Chambers
and
conference
areas
directly
adjacent
to
their
courts.
O
This
is
the
same
program,
but
we've
taken
in
effect
the
top
floor
of
the
building
and
reallocated
it
on
the
back
of
the
Tower.
It's
caused
us
to
adjust
some
of
the
construction
sequencing
to
know
in
order
to
make
that
occur.
We
believe
we
can
accomplish
this
within
the
same
targeted
construction
estimate
and
again
as
a
single
digit.
We
believe
it's
manageable
as
we
go
forward,
but
that
would
address
their
preference
in
terms
of
operation.
Superior
Court
I
think
it's
also
fair
to
represent.
We
met
with
them
in
a
virtual
meeting.
O
O
This
is
the
the
second
proposal
which
I'm
calling
it's
the
expansion
and
adjacency
Alternate.
It's
a
lot
of
words,
but
essentially
what
we're
doing
or
suggesting
is
that
we
can
develop.
O
Add
an
extra
floor
to
this
scheme,
which
would
now
takes
us
up
to
342
000
square
feet
against
the
315
that
we
had
before.
That's
essentially
the
square
footage
of
one
floor
plate
of
that
court
tower.
That
would
give
us
18
courtrooms,
of
which
four
would
be
shelled,
they're
likely
not
going
to
be
a
single
floor.
I
think
it
makes
sense
for
us
and
we've
we've
studied
the
idea
of
Distributing
those
shelled
spaces
throughout
the
building,
so
that
it
benefits
all
the
courts.
So
we
could
have
extra
Courts
for
really
all
of
the
different
divisions.
O
It
also
benefits,
I,
think
other
users
in
the
building
as
well.
It
adds
it
goes
back
to
eight
floors
correct
and
this.
This,
though,
does
push
that
budget
up,
and
now
we
are
up
at
205.
So
it's
it's
a
little
outside
our
our
ability
to
manage
when
you
start
to
talk
about
double
digits
over
our
Target,
but
that
is
a
another
that
would
address
both
of
the
concerns
that
we
heard
from
the
users.
O
And
it
would
look
like
this,
so
it
does
add
that
extra
floor
to
the
top
and
really
what
we're
doing
is
just
expanding
the
the
sub,
the
cord
floors
and
and
then
placing
pockets
of
shell
that
are
would
be
available.
You
know
the
nice
thing
about
this
strategy
is
that
all
the
public
circulation
is
in
place.
O
All
the
secure
circulation
is
in
place,
judicial
private
circulation
is
in
place,
and
these
rooms
are
sitting
there
available
to
to
be
plugged
in
over
time,
and
it
gives
you
the
freedom
to
develop
them,
and
it's
not
a
huge
premium.
It
is
outside
of
I
think
our
our
ability
to
to
manage
within
the
currents
lost
funding
but
I
think
it's.
It
is
something
that
is
well
worth
consideration
because
it's
pretty
close
to
what
we
should
be.
O
So
this
is
on
the
boards.
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
brief
update
of
where
we're
at,
because
all
of
this
redesign
has
an
implication
to
what
the
building
looks
like
you
know,
we
had
it
more
of
a
mid
block
and
I
think
we
are
conscious
of
the
affected
has
when
we
move
it
closer
to
10th.
Street
and
I
wanted
to
touch
base
on
some
of
these
aspirational
things
that
we
identified
earlier.
You
know
there's
this
idea
about
transparency,
a
connection
to
the
city.
O
So
if
you're
going
to
any
of
the
courtrooms,
if
you're
going
to
the
clerk
you're
going
to
be
on
that
North
Face,
it's,
it
is
the
right
orientation
for
us
to
take
advantage
of
that
natural
light,
but
also
just
the
the
views
and
back
across
the
street
to
all
the
church.
Steeples
smokestacks,
the
city,
even
the
river
I,
think
so
we're
conscious
of
that,
and
that's
still
a
part
of
what
our
proposal
includes.
We're.
Also
borrowing
that
North
light
to
get
inside
our
courtrooms
themselves,
our
courts
in
a
linear
fashion.
O
I
think
the
other
concern
is
just
how
do
we
be
contextual
and
our
context
changes
slightly
with
this
new
proposal,
because
it
now
includes
the
Government
Center
building
now
granted
we're
going
to
make
vast
changes
to
the
appearance
of
the
government
center.
But
now
it's
part
of
our
context
as
well,
in
a
way
that
it
wasn't
before,
because
before
we
were
going
to
demo
the
whole
thing
well
now
it's
now
it
has
to
be
included
in
our
general
context
of
of
Columbus
and
the
project
itself.
O
You
know
we're
very
conscious
of
the
Springer
the
resource
it
is
to
the
community
into
the
city
and
we're
fortunate
to
think
that
it's
a
it
is
part
of
our
approach
and
arrival
to
the
court
that
it
is
really
a
neighbor
in
that
sense.
O
So
these
are
some
images.
Some
of
these
have
maybe
have
been
seen
before,
as
we
repurpose
the
wings
we're
able
to
take
those
white,
we
call
them
tulip
columns.
They
are
really
not
structural
they're
decorative
and
we
can
remove
those.
O
We
can
introduce
daylight
punching
Windows
through
some
of
the
existing
brick
facades
and
developing
the
Plaza,
and
you
know
creating
this
as
a
as
your
part
of
your
procession
and
approach
into
the
pla
into
the
court
itself
and
again,
you
would
process,
through
the
plaza
and
then
be
able
to
enter
the
court
and
and
go
through
screening
before
you
attend
on
the
street
side.
Again,
take
the
Tulip
columns
off
and
we're
looking
at
ways
to
to
Really
Bridge
materiality
some
scalar
elements.
O
The
the
kind
of
material
in
order
to
you
know,
connect
these
two
buildings
together,
so
that
it
really
is
not
a
differentiation
between
the
existing
and
the
new.
That's
particularly
true
inside
the
building.
So
we're
matching
floor
to
floor
Heights
and,
as
you
pass
between
the
wings
and
the
exist
and
the
new
court
construction,
you
won't
even
be
aware
of
the
difference
between
the
two.
O
You
know
we're
still
developing
some
options
and
ideas
about
the
front
of
the
building.
Again,
it's
predominantly
glass
for
the
north
facade,
which
is
our
public
Realm,
but
again
we're
also
looking
at
these
relationships
between
the
court
and
the
Springer.
These
sections
start
to
look
at
the
scale
of
our
building
relative
to
the
Springer
and
how
those
two
you
know
might
actually
form
this
visual
Corridor
down,
10th
Street,
here's
a
more
close-up
section
of
of
what's
been
proposed.
So
what
you're,
seeing
and
left
to
right?
AC
D
AC
O
Just
just
for
clarification,
so
the
the
plans
that
we
have
proposed
actually
have
the
chambers
included
for
an
eighth
Superior
Court
and
for
two
additional
State
Court
Chambers
are
included
in
what
the
difference
in
the
when
we
go
to
the
342
or
the
18
is
really
just
the
courtroom.
So
it
affects
really
just
that
that
piece
of
the
of
the
development.
AA
I
was
a
little
disappointed
that
I
had
thought
that
we
talked
about.
There
has
been
General
conversation
about
making
this
facility
blend
in
more
with
the
the
neighborhood
and
I
know
that
there
are
a
lot
of
those
buildings
and
so
forth
in
the
neighborhood
that
are
brick
buildings
and
they
don't
have
the
windows
that
you've
provided
here.
I
worked
for
a
number
of
years
in
the
mayor's
office
on
the
sixth
floor
and
one
of
the
best
things
we
had
was
being
able
to
look
out
over
North
Columbus,
so
I
understand
that.
AA
But
keep
keep
that
in
mind.
If
you
will
I'm
not
asking
you
to
do
dramatic
changes
to
what
you've
shown
us
here,
but
the
the
compatibility
with
the
rest
of
the
of
the
surrounding
downtown
area,
uptown
area
I,
think,
is
important
to
a
lot
of
to
a
lot
of
folks.
That
and
that's
one
reason
why
the
current
government
center
and
my
estimation
is
probably
the
ugliest
building
in
captivity,
but.
AA
O
Elected
to
contrast,
you
know,
as
opposed
to
compliments.
So
that's
where
we're
trying
to
find
is
a
is
a
a
place
where
we
can
be
complementary
to
that.
The
context,
the
immediate
context,
as
well
as
just
the
entire
city,
so
we're
looking
at
you
know
we're
looking
at
Brick
we're
looking
at
the
scale
of
the
cornice
line
of
Springer
and
how
we
can
match
that
on
the
the
Justice
Center
and
we're
conscious
of
the
view
corridor
from
the
green
space,
that's
in
front
of
River
Center
and
how
our
building
serves
as
a
Terminus.
O
So
those
are
things
we're
conscious
of
I
I,
believe
we
have
a
you
know
an
ability
to
find
out
the
sweet
spot
but
I
again
we're
not
quite
finished,
but
I
appreciate
that
input.
That's
good.
AA
And
Mr
Mayor
I
I,
one
of
the
questions
that
I
have
is
we've
been
given
a
good
bit
of
we're
looking
at
this
and
we're
looking
at
that
and
we're
looking
at.
You
know
this
number
of
courtrooms
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff
who
will
make
that
final
decision
is
that
a
council.
B
Decision
a
council
decision
is
that
a
there'll
be
a
recommendation
from
staff
based
on
what
fits
with
the
area.
What
fits
in
the
budget,
but
if
the
direction
from
Council
turned
out
to
be
add
two
more
floors,
then
we'll
add
two
more
floors:
we'll
just
have
to
adjust
the
adjust
the
budget
go
over,
but
no
it.
This
Council
will
approve
the
final.
AA
B
S
I'm
wondering
if
there's
a
way
we
could
incorporate
them
somehow,
maybe
maybe
as
elements
within
the
courtyard,
as
maybe
a
like
an
umbrella,
or
you
know
something
like
that
and
I'm
not
saying
all
of
them,
but
it
would
just
be
kind
of
you
know,
kind
of
like
what
counselor
Thomas
was
saying.
You
know
we
want
to.
O
AB
O
AE
O
Do
agree
there's
something
about
you
know
they're
very
iconic,
and
they
certainly
represent
part
of
the
history,
but
it
is
some
of
it
controversial,
but
I
think.
S
And
carpet
in
the
closet,
right
I'm,
not
saying
use
a
bunch
of
them
I'm
just
saying
it
would
be
nice
to
see
just
like,
maybe
one
of
them
or
two
of
them
pop
up
somewhere.
But
if,
if
they're,
what
you
say
hazardous,
then
of
course
that
that
goes
away.
Thank.
X
B
Doug
I
think
that's
all
the
questions.
Oh
we've
gotten
councilor
Davis.
AH
Have
you
already
two
questions.
B
Q
Yes,
as
Doug
said
earlier,
we
have
selected
some
design
assist
subcontractors.
We
went
through
a
competitive
process
and
we
have
a
mechanical
and
electrical
curtain.
Wall
and
foundation,
design
assist
partner
on
board
the
city,
Ryan
and
the
design
team
sat
in
on
the
interviews,
and
they
have
been
a
great
help
with
trying
to
run
the
cost
down
and
we've
been
trying
to
make
sure
we've
included
local
participation
Alexander
electric
is
your
design
assist
electrical
firm.
Q
Your
second
question
on
the
schedule
we
received
the
first
early
release
package
for
the
foundations
and
the
demolition
were
last
Friday,
we're
going
through
that
process
currently
to
get
that
out
to
bid
and
have
the
pricing
put
together,
but
at
the
same
time
making
sure
that
the
total
project
fits
within
the
budget
before
we
come
and
ask
for
permission
to
move
forward
with
that
early
package.
If
that
works
out,
we
would
actually
start
that
in
the
December
time
frame.
B
AA
Do
want
to
request:
let's
keep
these
updates
coming,
let
as
you're
as
you're
doing
this.
This
is
a
a
project
that's
going
to
affect
our
community
for
years
to
come
and
I
think
that
if
we
can
have
an
update
or
some
kind
of
a
regular
basis,
Mr
city
manager,
Mr,
Mayor,
Mr
Pruitt
I
would
like
for
us
to
do
that.
I
get
questions
just
about
every
day
about.
AA
What's
going
on
down
there
and
how's
it
well,
you
know:
where
are
we
and
what
what's
happening
and
it
so
I
need
to
know
regularly?
Maybe
not
every
council
meeting,
but
every
other
council
meeting
would
be
nice
to.
Let's
have
some
kind
of
an
update
on
where
we
are
and
how
we're
moving
forward
on
this.
AI
P
Thank
you,
mayor
I,
just
want
to
thank
our
our
team
here
for
their
hard
work
and
your
patience,
because
I
know
a
lot
has
been
going
on
and
every
time
we
we
ask
for
a
meet
in
their
their
present,
the
full
the
whole
team,
so
they've
done
great
work
for
us
and
we
appreciate
them.
So
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
Thank
you,
gentlemen,
mayor.
That
concludes
my
agenda.
B
All
right,
thank
you.
We've
got
a
couple,
counselors
councilor
kogel.
H
Right
I
just
want
to
take
a
point
of
privilege
of
inviting
you
it's
that
time
of
the
year
and
I
would
be
doing
my
predecessor
and
Injustice.
If
I
did
not
invite
you
to
the
Tri-City
Latino
Festival
this
weekend
on
Saturday,
whatever.
What's
the
date
on
Saturday,
the
16th
Saturday,
the
16th
at
the
Civic
Center,
it
is
their
10th
anniversary
so
and
I
know
they
had
their
press
conference
today.
H
So
if
you
can
make
it
out,
I
know,
Mimi
Woodson
would
appreciate
it
and
appreciate
seeing
some
familiar
faces
so
I
think
they
kick
off
around
10
or
11.
I.
Think
there's
a
parade
at
10.
H
Is
a
parade?
So
if
you
want
to
be
in
the
parade
I'm
sure
she
is
looking
for
paraders
as
well,
so
the
parade
I
believe
is
in
uptown
and
then
they'll
make
their
way
over
to
the
Civic
Center.
So
come
on
out.
If
you
can
thank.
AP
Mayor
Mississippi
manager,
beginning
with
you
soon
I,
have
constituents
that
want
to
have
a
meeting
to
follow
up
on
the
meeting
we
had
before
covet
with
the
group
out
at
the
ml
Harris
church.
AP
B
All
right
thanks,
sir
all
right,
Madam
clerk
I
think
it
is
your
agenda.
Z
Z
B
Two
motion
and
second
to
receive
the
minutes
any
that
any
would
like
discussed
all
right
hearing
that
all
in
favor
say
aye
anyone
opposed
they
are
approved.
Z
B
Z
Z
B
B
B
Motion
second,
to
confirm:
Ms,
star
Ross,
any
all
in
favor,
say
aye.
Any
opposed,
she's
confirmed.
Z
Thank
you.
Next
we
have
Council
appointment.
This
one
will
require
vote
tabulation.
The
crime
prevention
board,
the
seat
of
Patricia
Flora.
This
is
the
senatorial
District
29
representative
council.
B
B
Clerk
I
think
the
counselor
wants
to
remove
Marty
went
so
that
should
leave
just
miss
Connie
Cunningham,
okay,.
Z
Z
Z
Z
We
will
bring
this
back
for
a
vote
tabulation
at
the
next
meeting
for
the
land
bank
Authority
the
seat
of
Mr
Lance
hemming.
He
is
not
eligible
to
serve
another
term.
Councilor
Tucker
is
nominated
Miss
Jackie
Leonard,
and
we
will
bring
this
back
for
confirmation
for
the
Liberty
Theater
and
Cultural
Arts
Center
Advisory
Board.
We
had
two
seats
remaining.
Z
Councilor
Huff
has
nominated
Miss,
Kawana
Ingram
and
the
Civic
Center
Director
is
recommending
Mr
Lewis
Carr,
and
we
will
bring
these
back
for
confirmation
at
the
next
meeting.
Thank
you,
Council
house.
Next,
we
have
upcoming
board
appointments.
The
hospital
authority
of
Columbus,
the
council
submits
three
nominees
for
each
of
the
vacancies
or
term
expirations.
The
Authority
makes
a
selection
and
the
council
confirms.
Z
B
B
Litigation:
okay,
potential
litigation,
litigation
and
Personnel
all
right.
We
had
a
motion.
Second,
all
in
favor,
say
aye,
any
post
all
right
we're
an
executive
session.
All
right.
We
were
in
executive
session,
we
discussed
litigation,
potential
litigation
and
Personnel
issues.
There
were
no
votes
taken
during
the
executive
session.
B
Councilor
Begley
did
you
have
anything:
okay,
I'm,
sorry,
all
right,
well,
motion
and,
second
to
adjourn
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed.
We
are
adjourned.