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A
B
You
mr.
mayor
Congressman,
John
Lewis
of
Georgia,
say
these
words
in
that
quote.
The
right
to
vote
is
precious
almost
sacred.
It
is
the
most
powerful
tool
of
a
non-violent
reform
available
to
every
citizen
in
our
democracy.
Mr.
mayor
and
members
of
council
I'm
concerned
about
what
you're
doing
concerning
the
marshal's
office.
Let
me
first
state
this.
It's
not
personal.
For
me,
this
is
not
about
Marshall
grant
country.
This
is
about
the
right
to
vote
and
the
right
for
that
vote
to
count
in
1971.
This
Center
was
consolidated.
B
Thirteen
years
after
their
this
body.
Maybe
not
the
same
group
came
before
the
people
with
a
referendum
and
saying
that
you
wanted
to
consider
abolishing
the
marshal's
office.
The
people
spoke
loud
and
clear
that
people
say
it
note
in
a
referendum.
That's
the
people's
right.
The
body
belongs
to
the
people
16
years
later,
in
2000
with
the
mayor
you
as
a
city
council
member
then-
and
some
of
you
were
council
members-
you
put
it
before
the
people
again,
you
ask
the
people
again
where
they
abolish
the
matter.
B
Their
marshal's
office
in
this
vote,
47
out
of
48
precincts,
say
it
no
47
out
of
48
precincts
said
no
61%
of
the
people
of
this
city
said
to
you,
nine
council
members
might
maybe
not
the
same
body.
They
said
no,
we
won't
the
marshal's
office,
not
Marshall,
we're
countrymen,
the
marshal's
office,
and
so
our
challenge.
Somebody
even
before
I
finish
my
conversation
that
you
go
back
and
revisit
this
and
put
it
back
into
the
hands
of
the
people,
because
what
this
looks
like
hills
that
City
Council
has
decided
that
sense.
B
We
cannot
trust
the
people
to
vote
the
way
we
want
them
to
vote.
They're,
nine
of
us
I'm,
a
legislative
allegation
would
tell
the
people.
This
is
how
we
wanted
to
go.
You
have
asked
us
to
trust
you
with
a
1
cent
sales
tax,
that's
a
referendum!
If
you
can
trust
the
people
with
a
one
cent
sales
tax.
Why
can't
you
trust
the
people
with
the
marshal's
office?
If
you
are
going
to
put
the
marshal's
office
in
the
hands
of
nine
people
and
the
people
have
spoken?
That's
not
a
democracy.
B
That
is
not
the
will
of
the
people,
and
so
I
ask
every
single
council
member
who's
represented
here
today.
Here's
the
fact
is:
not
a
Co
saving
I,
look
at
it
as
stated
pieces
of
silver,
because
our
right
to
vote
cannot
be
both.
You
can't
say
to
the
people
we'll
give
you
an
incentive
and
therefore
we
shut
down
the
office.
Here's
a
fact:
if
you
turn
it
over
to
the
sheriff,
you
can't
guarantee
that
the
sheriff
is
going
to
keep
every
single
employee.
You
have
no
power
over
the
sheriff
to
serve
is
an
elected
office.
B
Secondly,
how
can
sheriff
Tompkins
with
all
due
respect,
lead
the
charge
to
abolish
another
elected
officials
office?
That's
not
right!
The
people
who
voted
in
2000
and
people
who
voted
in
the
1984.
They
are
black
and
white,
they're
Republican
and
Democrat.
They
are
the
majority,
and
so
what
you
say
to
the
people
now
is
we
hear
you,
but
we
know
it's
best
for
you,
that's
not
how
democracy
works.
All
of
you
know
that
this
is
not
against
the
city
manager.
B
I
believe
his
ideas
are
perfect,
but
let
the
people
tell
you
if
you
believe
that
your
product
is
good,
put
it
before
the
people,
because
what
it
looks
like
right
now,
heals
you're,
operating
under
cover
of
darkness-
that's
what
it
it
may
not
be
that
way,
but
that's
what
it
looked
like
you're
saying
here,
these
great
ideas
we
have
but
you're,
not.
We
can't
trust
you
to
vote
the
right
way.
So
we'll
just
do
it
ourselves.
B
That's
not
right!
I
trust,
somebody
in
this
city
council
to
do
what
dr.
King
were
doing
this
moment
to
go
back
and
look
at
this
again
and
let
us
decide
it's
not
too
soon
for
a
2020
Reverend.
What's
the
rush,
let
the
people
decide
in
a
democracy.
That's
what
happens
I!
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
speak
before
you,
but
it
means
nothing
if
you
continue
to
go
forward
under
the
cover
of
darkness,
I
dare
say
it
come.
B
Let
us
reason
together
think
about
what,
if
the
very
argument
I'm
making
is
wrong,
then
challenge
me
on
the
argument
challenge
me
on
the
argument
that
the
vote
does
not
belong
to
the
people.
If
you
believe
in
the
people's
right
to
vote
for
one
cent,
sales
tax,
then
breathing
the
people's
right
to
vote
for
the
marshal's
office.
Thank
you
thank.
C
D
So
each
year
we
do
a
legislative
agenda
and
we
bring
forward
legislative
wish
lists
from
the
City
Council
from
city
staff.
It
can
come
from
any
City
affiliate
agency,
such
as
the
Columbus
convention
Visitors
Bureau
of
the
Health
Department,
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
can
come
from
the
development
authority
and
can
come
from
the
Public
Safety
Advisory
Commission.
In
this
particular
case,
a
recommendation
came
forward
from
the
Public
Safety
Advisory
Commission.
D
There
was
a
vote
at
the
Public
Safety
Advisory
Commission,
based
on
the
information
that
I
received,
and
that
vote
was
8
to
1,
proposing
or
recommending
consolidation
of
the
marshal's
office
into
the
sheriff's
office,
based
on
one
an
announcement
from
the
moisture
an
earlier
announcement
that
said
that
he
would
not
run
for
re-election
for
the
marshal's
office.
It
came
forward
recommending
that
we
bring
it
forward
on
the
legislative
agenda
like
with
any
other
department.
We
brought
it
forward
on
the
legislative
agenda
based
on
no
incumbent
based
on
the
efficiencies
that
might
occur
in
that
office.
D
D
When
we
look
at
the
structures
of
the
organization,
I,
don't
know
that
efficiencies
might
be
realized
immediately,
but
I
can
tell
you
looking
at
the
structure
of
the
organization
causes
concern
when
you've
got
sixteen
sworn
officers
when
you've
got
a
marshal.
A
chief
deputy
you've
got
two
captains,
you've
got
a
lieutenant,
you
got
a
sergeant
and
you
have
two
corporals
and
then
you
have
eight
marshal
deputies.
D
That's
a
one-to-one
management
ratio,
and
so
I
think
when
you
look
at
the
totality,
the
fault
or
notion
is
that
the
efficiency,
the
savings
might
not
come
immediately,
but
somewhere
down
the
road.
You
will
realize
efficiencies
when
you
consider
that
structure,
and
so
the
one
thing
that
we
do
for
employees
when
you
consolidate
an
office
is
that
we
protect
the
employee,
the
employees
in
the
marshal's
office
or
merit
system.
Employees
and
those
employees
are
protected,
and
so,
if
there
is
a
consolidation,
those
sworn
officers
and
non
sworn
officers
would
go
to
the
sheriff's
office.
D
Those
employees
are
guaranteed
their
jobs
and
guaranteed
know
that
their
pay
will
either
remain
the
same
or
they
will
get
a
pay
increase.
The
civilian
employees
pay
would
not
change,
they
would
keep
their
exactly
the
sworn
officers,
pay
is
guaranteed
and
not
only
is
it
guaranteed,
they
are
guaranteed
to
receive
the
same
pay
reform,
one
that
des
sheriff's
deputies
and
sworn
officers
in
the
Sheriff's
Office
have
received
over
the
last
year,
and
so
every
single
sworn
officer
would
get
a
pay
increase.
D
That's
every
single
sworn
officer,
so
the
civilian
employees
are
protected
and
will
guarantee
they're
paid.
Those
sworn
officers
are
protected,
and
not
only
do
you
guarantee
their
pay,
they
will
get
a
pay
increase,
and
so
the
Public
Safety
Advisory
Commission's
recommendation
was
bought
before
this
body
on
the
legislative
agenda.
D
This
council
voted
on
each
of
those
legislative
agenda
items
separately
and,
and
yes,
there
were
nang
councilors
present
at
that
meeting,
and
it
was
a
unanimous
vote
to
send
it
to
the
delegation.
The
next
step
in
that
process
after
the
resolution
is
passed,
that
this
council
is
to
go
to
Hometown
connection
at
hometown
connection,
we
presented
to
the
legislative
delegation
to
carry
with
them
and
introduce
legislation
when
they
go
back
to
the
legislative
session
in
January,
and
so
that
legislative
agenda
item
is
now
in
the
hands
of
the
legislative
delegation.
D
The
legislative
delegation
has
gone
to
them,
asking
them
to
create
or
introduce
a
local
legislation
on
this
particular
item:
local
legislation
to
avoid
any
conflicts
and
when
I
say
conflicts,
there
will
be
no
incumbent.
You
will
not
displace
any
incumbent
and
people
who
may
have
an
interest
in
running
for
the
that
offers
know
well
in
advance
that
that
has
been
an
item
voted
on
by
this
council
going
to
the
delegation
that
will
be
introduced
in
January,
and
so
it
would
be
introduced
knowing
that
there
is
no
incumbent
and
no
one
will
be
displaced.
D
If,
in
the
past,
in
1981
in
2000,
there
were
incumbents,
there
were
sit-in
incumbents
in
the
marshal's
office,
and
so
if
it
were
to
go
forward
with
the
delegation
at
this
time,
knowing
that
people
will
qualify
and
be
on
the
ballot
for
that
office,
then
the
presidential
primary
is
March
of
2020.
It
would
not
be
on
that
ballot.
The
primary
for
Columbus
Muscogee
is
May
of
2020,
and
so,
if
it's
going
to
go
on
the
ballot,
you
would
have
to
put
it
on
the
ballot
in
May
of
2020.
D
You
will
have
marshal
candidates
on
the
ballot
in
May
of
2020
and
if
it
passes
May
of
2020,
then
those
candidates
who
were
successful
or
a
candidate
who
was
successful
in
May
of
2020
would
have
to
be
told.
You
cannot
be
marshal
because
we
just
abandoned
their
office,
even
though
you
warned
the
office
just
got
abandoned
by
a
vote.
D
If
it
were
to
go
that
way,
and-
and
so
then
the
general
election
is,
if
there's
because
it's
partisan
election
in
May,
if
there's
Republican,
Democratic
opposition,
the
person
representing
his
or
her
party
would
be
on
the
November
ballot.
Well,
there
would
be
no
need
to
go
forward
to
a
November
ballot
if
it
was
abandoned
in
May.
D
If
it's
not
abandoned
in
but
made
it's
on
the
ballot,
then
they
could
go
forward
with
the
November
ballot,
but
it
complicates
things
and-
and
that
is
how
we
got
to
where
we
are
today-
and
you
know
I
heard
you
invoke
the
city,
managers
and
I,
don't
know
where
you
were
what
you're
coming.
You
said
the
city
manager
or
whatever
you
see
it,
but
but
I
have
you
know,
first
of
all,
I
act
as
a
professional
city
manager
and
the
recommendations
proposal
that
I
bring
forward
to
this
body
head.
D
They
have
nothing
to
do
with
politics.
The
health
to
do
with
a
professional
managers
recommendation
based
on
what's
most
efficient
and
most
effective
for
this
consolidated
government
I
have
a
fiduciary
responsibility
to
do
that
and
I
intend
to
do
that
and
so
I
brought
it
forward
only
agenda
based
on
a
recommendation
or
proposal
from
the
Public
Safety
Advisory
Commission,
and
when
I
look
at
the
the
budget
in
that
office.
D
It's
not
based
on
a
person
in
the
office
it,
but
it's
based
on
my
14
and
a
half
years
as
professional
city
managers
and
seven
years
as
professional
deputy
city
manager
and
a
total
of
35
years
in
the
city,
government
and
I've
been
around
and
I
have
been
around
long
enough
and
have
the
background
and
experience
in
education
and
everything
else
that
goes
with
it.
That
I
think
I'm
qualified
to
make
a
recommendation
to
you
now
politically.
D
This
council
can
approve
anything
they
want
or
they
can
deny
you
I'm
gonna
fulfill
my
responsibility,
I
committed
to
do
that.
The
day
I
took
this
job
and
I'm
gonna.
Do
it
until
the
day
I
leave
this
job,
and
so
that
is
how
we
got
to
where
we
are,
and
that
is
where
I
stand.
Thank
you,
sir
I'm.
Sorry,
sir
I
can't.
C
B
C
C
C
E
That'll
be
up
to
the
General
Assembly
and
how
they
structure
a
an
amendment
to
this
local
act,
either
they're
going
to
consolidate
the
offices
with
no
referendum,
or
if
they
decided
to
put
a
referendum
requirement
in
there,
then
I
suspect
they
will
allow
for
at
least
one
term.
They
delayed
effective
date.
They
gonna
have
to
do
something
to
make
everything
flow
consistently.
E
F
Feel
like
I
need
to
make
sure
that
some
of
the
things
that
the
city
manager
said
needs
some
further
explanation.
What
this
council
did
was
we
put
on
our
legislative
agenda.
The
question
are
the
concern
that
the
Marshall's
office
be
consolidated
with
the
Sheriff's
Office.
We
did
not
say
to
the
delegation
how
that
was
to
be
accomplished,
and
there
are
two
ways
as
I
understand
it
that
it
can
be
accomplished.
F
One
is
the
delegation
can
introduce
legislation
that
immediately
or
at
some
point
consolidates
that
without
a
vote,
the
other
thing
that
they
can
do
is
to
put
legislation
in
that
requires.
A
referendum.
I
spoke
last
Friday
with
two
of
our
state
legislators.
They
have
not.
Let
me
back
up.
We
did
go
to
the
hometown
connection,
which
was
the
discussion
with
the
delegation
about
our
agenda
and
I.
Think
I
believe
that
we
very
clearly
said
to
that
delegation.
F
It's
up
to
you
to
make
you
the
delegation
to
make
the
decision
of
whether
or
not
there
will
be
a
referendum
or
whether
you
will
do
it
as
local
legislation.
It
is.
It
is
up
to
the
local
delegation
state
delegation
to
make
that
decision.
I
spoke
with
two
representatives
on
Friday
of
last
week.
The
delegation
has
not
met
as
a
delegation
since
the
hometown
connect.
They
have
had
no
discussion
amongst
themselves
of
this
question,
and
so
no
decision
has
been
made
about
which
way
their
delegation
is
going
to
go.
F
Of
course,
the
third
option
that
they
could
have
is
they
could
do
nothing.
They
could
not
introduce
any
legislation
at
all,
and
they
have
often
done
that
to
items
that
we
have
had
on
our
legislative
agenda.
They
have
chosen
not
to
introduce
legislation,
putting
forth
the
question
that
we
want
to
put
forth.
F
Then
you
need
to
be
talking
to
the
state
delegation
and
let
them
know
what
you
want
to
do
and
it's
up
to
them
to
find
out
through
the
legal,
whatever
legal
channels
they
need
how
it
will
work
depending
on
when
it
goes
on
the
ballot.
They
could
choose,
not
to
put
it
on
the
ballot
in
2020,
but
to
put
it
on
the
ballot
in.
F
A
Let
me
we've
got
a
few
other
comments.
Let
me
say
to
council
Thomas's
point
she's
exactly
right.
It
didn't
say
in
the
resolution
that
came
from
Council
as
to
how
it
would
be
done,
but
I
thought
I
remembered
a
number
of
folks
at
that
meeting.
Talking
about
the
the
fact
that
you
know
this
started
back
in
1971
when
it
was
voted
to
consolidate
the
county
and
the
city
government
and
my
understanding
is
the
marshal's
office
wasn't
created
by
referendum.
A
It
was
created
by
the
legislature
to
be
the
police
force
for
that
County
and
the
reason
that
we
had
put
it
on
and
I'm
just
giving
you
my
perspective.
The
reason
we
had
put
it
on
the
ballot
is
because
every
time
it
was
considered
there
was
somebody
that
would
have
been
unseated,
so
we
felt
like,
if
you're,
going
to
unseat
a
sitting
elected
official
that
has
to
go
before
the
people
now
my
opinion.
A
The
decision
was
made
in
71
for
consolidation,
so
this
is
the
first
time
I
know
it's
the
first
time
in
the
21
years,
I've
been
around
this
government
that
there
is
nobody
currently
in
that
seat,
and
so
I
have
talked
to
the
delegation.
Many
of
them
and
I
urge
them
to
use
local
legislation
and
the
reason
I
did.
That
is
because
I
can't
imagine
putting
somebody
through
qualifying
raising
money,
trying
to
get
people
to
vote
for
them
and
then,
at
the
same
time,
have
a
vote
coming
up
to
take
the
office
away.
A
In
my
mind,
this
is
continuation
of
what
started
in
1971
there's
three
other
counties
that
have
been
consolidated
less
than
five
or
six
years,
they've
consolidated
their
entire
public
safety
divisions,
that's
consolidation,
so,
in
my
mind,
I
can
apologize
for
my
voice
in
my
mind
and
what
I
have
conveyed
to
the
delegates
that
I
have
spoken
with
and
I
felt
like
it
was.
The
way
counsel
was
leaning,
didn't
represent
it
that
way.
It
is
my
opinion.
A
This
is
the
only
time
the
only
opportunity
we've
had
to
not
harm
somebody
by
trying
to
move
forward
with
consolidation.
So
council,
Thomas
I,
did
talk
to
the
delegation
and
I
have
urged
them
to
use
local
legislation,
because
the
timing
of
this
thing
is
I
think
it's
unlikely
that
it
would
even
make
the
May
ballot
I
think
it
would
be
November
ballot,
because
by
the
time
it's
approved
by
the
legislature
to
put
it
on
a
referendum
and
then
the
governor
signs
it
it's
going
to
be
a
pretty
short
window
to
get
it
done
in
March.
A
So
in
that
case,
you'd
have
somebody
who
had
won
the
office
and
you'd
still
have
something
coming
forward
in
November.
That
made
no
sense
to
me
whatsoever.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
folks
understood
that,
from
my
perspective,
I
thought
council
had
kind
of
decided
that
the
least
painful
way
and
the
least
damaging
to
anybody
that
might
be
running
was
local
legislation
and
I
shared
my
thoughts
and
I
feel
like
that's
the
best
way
to
go
councillor
Crabb.
Thank.
G
You
I
have
a
question
for
the
city
attorney,
because
a
lot
of
people
are
telling
me
that
it.
It
was
part
of
the
Charter
review
before.
Why
can't
we
do
it
that
way?
Now
so
I
looked
into
the
Charter
and
I
was
looking
through
it
and
I
couldn't
see
anything
about
the
marshal's
department
and
I
think
you
had
mentioned
to
me
and
I
would
like
you
to
say
to
you,
know
this
body
what
you
had
sent
to
me
for
clarification.
The.
E
Only
mention
in
the
Charter
is
the
continuation
of
the
Municipal
Court
itself.
The
court
was
created
in
1915
by
local
legislation,
and
that
is
continued
in
our
1971
Charter,
as
amended
over
the
years
and
our
current
Charter,
but
there's
absolutely
no
mention
of
the
particular
officers
in
that
court,
the
other
than
the
judge
that
I'm
aware
of
it
was
all
created
by
local
legislation
in
1915
and
has
been
a
minute
from
time
to
time
and
the
officers
officers
of
the
court
or
the
judge,
the
clerk
and
the
marshal
and
the
legislature.
E
As
everybody
has
said
here
around
the
table,
is
it's
in
the
General
Assembly's
hands?
Our
local
delegation
council
put
the
ball
in
their
Court
is
as
to
consider
at
this
time
a
consolidation,
because
the
incumbent
has
announced
he's
going
to
run
for
another
office,
but
the
Charter
only
mentions
the
continuation
of
the
court
itself.
It.
G
A
A
B
A
B
Roughly
mr.
see
the
manager
I
apologize
if
you
thought
I
questioned
your
professionalism,
and
so
the
point
I
want
to
make
really
quick
is
number
three.
There
are
no
candidates,
there
are
candidates
ready
to
run
for
that
office.
There
are
people
who
are
ready
to
run
and
I've
always
said
the
office
is
bigger
than
the
marshal.
Then
we
focus
too
much
on
marshal
great
account.
Remember
not
the
office.
The
next
thing
here
at
the
public
advisor
Commission
as
much
as
I
respect
them.
They
don't
know
what
is
best
for
the
people.
B
The
people
know
what's
best
for
them.
Next,
I'm,
not
questioning
the
council's
rationale,
your
legitimacy
or
your
argument.
The
only
thing
I'm
making
a
point
on
down
there
that
the
right
of
the
people
to
vote
is
so
precious
and
it
cannot
be
decided
by
a
few
people
and
I
push
that
for
to
the
end.
Because
of
that
point
the
next
is:
what
do
you
say
to
each
of
you?
What
is
your
message
to
the
61%
who
voted
in
2000
I
was
one
of
those
voters.
What
is
your
message
to
me?
B
Did
my
vote
count
didn't
account.
Did
you
take
it
from
me?
Can
I
vote
again
and
the
next
point
is:
you
are
not
abolishing
and
office.
You
are
an
abolishing
and
elected
position
that
the
people
have
voted
on
since
1971
and
finally,
I
think
you
all
may
have
missed
my
point.
I'm
not
fighting
for
or
against
the
abolishment
of
I've
voted.
No
I
continue
to
spend
on
this
I'm
voting
on
the
right
of
the
people
to
decide
what's
best
for
them.
B
This
council
can
go
back
and
they
don't
have
to
put
it
in
the
hands
of
their
legislators.
You
all
can
go
back
and
put
that
referendum
back
in
the
hands
of
the
people.
We
deserve
the
right,
though
the
first
we
were
here
in
1984.
We
heard
your
argument
and
we
rejected
it.
Those
of
us
who
was
here
in
2000.
We
heard
your
argument
and
we
rejected
it.
B
What
I'm
saying
you
guys
make
your
best
case
to
the
people,
but
don't
let
the
people
think
that,
because
you
could
not
get
it
passed
through
them,
you
decide
to
do
it
on
your
own.
Councilman
bog
put
something
forward
in
2011
and
I
appreciate
them
here
at
least,
say:
let's
put
a
steady
fold,
but
it
didn't
go
anywhere,
and
so
the
big
picture
for
me
is
make
your
best
case.
Make
your
argument,
but
do
it
in
daylight?
Don't
do
it
in
darkness?
B
Don't
pass
this
off
to
the
legislators,
we'll
fight
them
to
we
are
going
to
put
the
argument
to
the
people.
I
might
have
had
it
wrong.
Coming
running,
I,
don't
know,
I
know
that
somebody
did
a
request
to
the
status
and
so
to
counsel
I'm
a
little
calm
night
as
night
I've
missed
all
of
my
paper,
be
I
run
a
business.
If
you
run
the
bills,
you
know
if
you
missed
the
whole
day's
work
you
don't
get
paid,
but
that's
how
important
the
right
of
the
people,
the
people
to
choose.