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A
A
You'll
see
your
microphone
will
light
up
red
when
it's
on,
so
if
you
want
to
just
turn
them
on
and
then
turn
them
off,
so
you
see
that
they'll
all
microphones
will
come
on
when
you
hit
the
button
and
then
when
you're
done
speaking,
you
can
turn
them
off
and
judge
if
you're
ready,
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
started
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you
by
the
way.
For
those
of
you
who
do
not
know
me,
I'm
pam
hodge,
deputy
city
manager,
I'm
not
rick
jones,
director
of
planning.
B
A
B
Sir,
that's
it
okay
good
morning
and
thank
you
all
for
coming
by.
I
want
to
thank
everyone
personally
for
being
here.
This
is
one
of
the
most
important.
I
believe
our
democracy
is
very
important,
and
this
is
one
of
the
most
important
things
we
all
can
be
doing.
B
By
way
of,
I
think
it
would
be
helpful.
I
know
we
all
introduced
ourselves
the
last
time
we
were
here,
but
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
again
to
go
around
the
room
for
the
commission
members
to
introduce
themselves
and
then
we
can
move
on
with
the
meeting.
So
again
my
name
is
mark
d'antonio,
I'm
the
muskogee
county
probate
court
judge
I've
been
a
resident
of
muskogee
county
since
1991.
D
Enrolled
in
board
of
elections,
retired
military
being
a
columbus
fort
benning
over
20
years.
Thank
you.
L
Ud
roberts,
I'm
a
native
of
columbus
georgia
and
with
brentwood
christian
press,
I'm
the
publisher.
B
Thank
you,
mr
williams.
Thank
you
all
again.
I
just
I
sent
out
an
agenda
last
night,
but
I
don't
see
if
anyone
has
any
hard
copies,
but
at
this
time,
if
I
recall
the
agenda,
I
would
like
to
call
on
mr
williams
for
an
invocation.
M
Father
and
creator,
we
come
to
you
right
now
with
bowed
heads
and
humble
hearts.
Thank
you
for
life.
Thank
you
for
giving
us
the
opportunity
to
meet
today,
father
father
and
help
me.
We
want
to
take
in
and
lift
up
a
special
prayer
for
brother
rick
jones
for
his
family,
for
the
ordeal
that
he's
going
through
lift
up
give
him
comforting
spirit.
M
B
Unfortunately,
at
this
time,
I
think
what
I
had
on
the
agenda
was
a
brief
discussion
of
of
what
should
be
our
print
guiding
principles
and
really,
I
think
I
just
wanted
to
lay
that
out
to
you
all
that
each
commission
should
have
guiding
principles
in
determining
districting,
but
I
and
it'll
be
probably
more
helpful
for
those
guiding
to
understand
those
guiding
principles
after
we've
had
a
copy
after
we've
had
an
opportunity
to
review
the
powerpoint
presentation,
ms
hodge
is
going
to
put
on.
M
Mr
chair,
the
next
thing
on
your
agenda
was.
B
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
for,
as
I
said,
I
didn't
have
the
minutes
in
front
of
me,
but
I
did
want
to
talk
about,
as
I
said,
think
about
those
guiding
principles.
At
this
moment.
I
do
think
it
makes
sense
for
us
to
review
and
approve
the
minutes.
It's
my
I
distributed
the
minutes
last
night.
I
don't
know
if
they
are
also
attached
in
the
paperwork
was
given
out
today.
B
H
B
Discussion,
one
thing
I
did
notice
in
the
minutes
was,
I
don't
think
they
reflect
who
seconded
any
motions-
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
an
issue
that
we
should
be
concerned
about
or
not.
If
my
memory
is
not
going
to
be
that
good
anything
else
in
terms
of
discussion
and
who
actually
that's
another
good
question,
I
assume
minutes
are
being
taken
again
today.
G
B
B
B
I
think
it's
important
as
we
review
the
powerpoint
presentation
that
we
think
about
what
should
be
the
commission's
guiding
principles
in
light
of
local
state
and
federal
law.
I
don't
know
miss
boren
or
msheftol.
Do
you
have
anything
to
add
to
that
at
this
moment?
Or
do
we
just
want
to
keep
moving
on.
A
Turn
my
phone
on,
I
will
go
through
a
portion
of
the
presentation,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
assistant
city
attorney,
lucy
sheftall,
as
well
as
nancy
warren
director
of
elections
for
a
portion
of
the
presentation
and
then
I'll
walk
through
the
maps
with
you,
and
these
are
just
for
discussion
purposes
and
we
can
come
back
to
you
with
any
additional
scenarios
that
you
would
like
to
see.
So
just
make
sure
you
understand,
these
are
for
discussion
purposes
only.
A
A
So
again,
this
is
part
of
charter
section
6-102
requires
that
the
commission
and
whether
it's
a
districting
commission
or
a
redistricting
commission
in
the
charter.
It
does
talk
about
a
districting
commission,
a
formulation
of
17
members,
there's
six
months
after
the
federal
population
census
is
released
that
you
have
the
opportunity
to
do
your
work
and
you
are
to
recommend
a
plan
of
re-enforcement
for
council
districts.
A
A
The
report
shall
be
filed
with
the
clerk
of
counsel's
office
and
it
will
be
treated
as
an
ordinance
for
city
council
upon
receipt
of
the
report.
Council
must
follow
its
procedures
for
adopting
a
proposed
ordinance,
which
includes
the
publication
of
the
map
and
the
descriptions.
It
would
also
be
a
first
and
a
second
reading.
So
first
reading
is
a
public
meeting
for
public
comment
and
then
the
second
reading
is
when
council
would
vote
on
the
ordinance
and
it
would
enact
a
redistricting
ordinance
within
six
months.
A
It
does
not
apply
to
any
election
once
the
ordinance
is
approved
within
six
months
of
adoption,
and
so
I
will
go
through
that
timetable.
Just
for
the
commission's
information
in
order
to
meet
the
timeline
for
the
may
24th
election.
What
would
need
to
take
place?
So
there's
kind
of
a
couple
different
timelines
and
requirements
that
the
commission
just
needs
to
be
aware
of
and
at
this
time
for
the
other
legal
requirements,
I'll
let
lucy
cheftal
walk
through
those
as
the
assistant
city
attorney
and
nancy.
O
Pam,
basically
we're
under
three
sets
of
legal
requirements
for
redistricting
the
charter
requirements
that
pam
has
just
been
through,
and
one
point
I
do
want
to
make
on
the
charter
requirements
is
that
this
commission
is
tasked
with
designing
city
council
districts,
and
we
are
hoping
that
we
can
also
use
the
same
districts
for
the
school
board
and
attorney
greg.
Ellington
is
here
to
help
us
work
on
that,
but
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
what
this
commission's
responsibility
is.
O
Another
addition
that
senate
bill
177
has
made
is
that
we
are
also
after
your
work
is
done
after
the
council's
work
is
done.
There
will
actually
also
be
a
local
act
of
the
general
assembly
that
adopts
the
districts,
so
those
are
sort
of
the
new
hoops
to
jump
through,
however,
sort
of
on
the
other
side,
there
is
no
longer
the
requirement
that
the
districts
be
submitted
to
the
department
of
justice
for
pre-clearance.
R
O
A
Okay,
so
this
again
is
just
a
timeline
for
your
information.
If
the
commission's
work
is
to
be
completed
in
line
with
the
may
24th
2022
election,
it
is
a
very
tight
timeline.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you're
aware
of
what
that
timeline
would
be,
and
if
that's
the
intention
of
the
commission,
this
would
be
the
timeline
that
would
need
to
be
followed
in
order
to
meet
the
redistricting
and
the
new
districts
to
apply
to
the
may
24
2022
election.
A
It
it
again,
it's
a
very
quick
timeline.
It
would
require
additional
commission
meetings
if
no
decision
is
is
made
today
in
public
meetings
next
week,
probably
monday
or
wednesday.
Tuesday
is
an
election
day,
and
so
monday
or
wednesday.
This
council
chambers
is
available
for
those
meetings,
the
redistricting
commission,
or
would
have
to
submit
their
approved
plan
to
to
the
city
council
on
november,
the
5th
which
is
next
friday.
A
In
order
for
us
to
have
that
plan
submitted
to
the
state
reapportionment
office
that
ms
chef
doll
just
mentioned,
because
they
require
a
minimum
of
a
five
day
review
in
order
for
the
first
and
the
second
reading
to
take
place
within
that
six
month
requirement.
That's
in
the
charter,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
commission's
aware
of
that
timeline-
if
that's
something
that
is
the
intention
of
the
commission,
to
have
these
districts
in
place
for
the
may
24
2022
election.
A
So
I'll
go
through
the
census
data,
you
heard
some
of
this
information
and
then
we'll
go
into
the
maps.
The
census
population,
those
206
922
when
you
subtract
out
fort
benning,
is
199
814,
and
so
that's
the
number
that
the
commission
is
working
with.
This
is
the
demographic
information
for
the
199
814
from
2010.
A
That
information
was
182
004
and
that
was
split
black
at
that
time
was
46.83
white
was
43.12,
so
there
has
been
a
shift
in
the
demographics
as
well
from
2010
until
2020.
A
So
again,
the
eight
districts,
the
199
814,
divided
by
eight,
the
magic
number-
is
twenty
four
thousand
nine
seventy
seven,
and
that
is
the
ideal
population
per
council
district
and
again,
if
the
school
district
uses
the
same
boundaries,
that
would
be
the
ideal
number
for
the
school
district
as
well.
A
A
We
did
look
at
three
scenarios
which
I
think
was
outlined
to
you
at
the
last
meeting.
So
that's
what
these
maps
represent,
but
again
it's
for
discussion
purposes
and
if
there's
other
scenarios
that
you
want
us
to
look
at,
obviously
we're
happy
to
do
that
and
bring
that
back
to
the
commission
scenario.
One
just
basically
takes
the
population
from
east
to
west
and
divides
it
into
eight
districts.
A
A
So
you'll
see
this
as
labeled
as
scenario
b.
You
can
see
that
district
2
would
not
remain
in
their
district.
The
incumbents,
the
council
member
for
district
8,
would
not
the
school
board.
Member
for
district
5
would
not.
A
Think
those
were
the
ones
who
were
outside
their
district,
so
the
approach
that
we
took
through
the
software
was
what
could
be
done
to
realign
the
district,
so
the
incumbents
stayed
within
their
district
and
also
to
not
divide
a
subdivision
where
there
would
be
one
counselor
for
the
front
part
of
the
subdivision
and
a
different
counselor
for
the
the
back
part
of
the
subdivision.
So
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
we
looked
at
as
well
when
we
went
into
scenario
b
or
scenario
c,
so
I'll
spend
a
little
more
time.
A
Those
this
scenario
is
the
one
that
we
provided:
district,
specific
maps
for
and
so
again
this
is
just
for
discussion
purposes
and
we
will
take
any
requests
from
the
commission
to
provide
additional
maps.
Look
at
it
a
different
way.
We
spent
a
lot
of
time,
adding
this
census
track
and
taking
this
one
out
in
order
to
make
the
puzzle
fit
together
and
to
meet
the
requirements
of
the
population.
A
So
again
we're
happy
to
provide
any
additional
scenarios.
The
commission
would
like
to
see
so
what
I
have
provided
to
you
in
the
powerpoint
presentation
to
go
along
with
each
map
is
a
comparison
of
what
the
existing
district
lines,
what
the
census
data
showed
from
a
population
standpoint,
as
well
as
a
percentage
standpoint,
also
looking
at
what
the
exis
existing
district
showed,
based
on
the
2020
census,
both
population
and
demographic
information
and
percentage.
A
And
then
we
also
looked
at
scenario
c
and
what
that
population
and
percentage
looked
like.
So
this
is
district.
One
again
we
have
indicated
where
the
council,
member
and
the
school
board
member
resides
to
show
that
inside
the
red
color
they
would
still
remain
in
their
district,
and
so
the
outline
in
black
is
the
existing,
and
the
scenario
c
would
be
the
colored
portion
of
the
map.
A
And
then
again,
this
is
the
information
to
provide
the
demographic
information
to
see
how
it
was
in
2010
in
the
current
district,
how
the
census
data
in
2020
in
that
current
district
and
how
the
census
data
would
be
in
the
scenario
c
district,
so,
for
example,
in
2010,
in
that
district
was
14
399
black,
which
represented
62.77
of
the
population
of
the
total
of
the
22
939
in
2020,
without
moving
the
boundaries
at
all
that
black
population
went
up
to
15,
203
citizens
and
represented
64.85
percent
with
the
change
in
the
boundaries
represented
in
scenario
c
would
go
to
14936,
which
represents
59.29
percent.
A
So
I
know
this
is
a
lot
of
data
on
one
piece
of
paper,
but
felt
that
this
was
something
the
commission
was
asking
for
at
the
last
meeting
and
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
provided
that
to
you.
You
can
see
the
total
for
district.
One
under
scenario
c
is
twenty
five
thousand
ninety,
which
is
within
that
variance.
That's
allowed
through
the
law.
A
A
A
A
So
that's
why
you
see
it
in
green
here,
but
kind
of
outside
the
boundaries.
When
you
look
at
the
2010
census,
that
was
part
of
considered
part
of
fort
benning.
This
is
a
fort
bending
technology
park.
There
was
32
people
in
the
census,
so
there's
no
homes
down
there.
So
I'm
not
sure
where
those
32
people
reside
in
that
area,
but
it
is
now
part
of
muskogee
county,
and
so
it
would
be
part
of
district
3.
A
A
A
But
in
order
to
get
that
portion
up
off
of,
I
believe
that's
macon
road,
that
top
section
it
has
to
be
contiguous.
So
we
pulled
muskogee
technology
park
into
district
four,
but
there
was
no
census
impact
or
citizen
impact
in
that
particular
scenario.
So
for
district
four
in
2010
was
22.
932
in
2020
was
25
642,
so
slightly
over
the
target,
and
so
the
scenario
would
bring
them
to
24
944.
A
District
5,
of
course
this
is
one
of
the
districts
that's
kind
of
in
the
center
of
muskogee
county,
and
so
that
was
one
of
the
districts
that
saw
some
more
shifts
than
some
of
the
other
district.
Just
because
of
that
domino
effect
that
takes
place
but
again
trying
to
maintain
the
incumbent
and
a
lot
of
the
incumbents
live
on
the
edge
of
their
district.
A
A
A
We
did
have
a
family
emergency
in
the
planning
department,
not
just
with
director
jones,
but
also
with
another
staff
member
in
rgis,
and
just
want
to
publicly
thank
trey
wilkerson
and
scott
evans,
who
jumped
in
to
work
really
hard
to
get
all
of
these
maps
created
for
the
commission
today.
So
just
want
to
thank
them
for
their
work
on
this,
and
with
that
I'll,
be
happy
to
answer
questions
or
if
you
want
to
look
at
a
particular
map
in
more
detail,
we
can
pull
those
up
on
the
screen.
A
Zoom
in
zoom
out,
add
census
tracks
take
census
tracks
away.
So
you
can
see
how
that
impacts,
the
the
numbers
and
the
target
when
we're
happy
to
do
whatever
the
commission
would
like
for
us
to
do.
H
O
Yes,
fort
benning
people
resident
on
fort
benning
do
not
have
a
local
council
district
or
get
to
vote
in
any
local
elections
as
an
accommodation.
They
can
vote
in
national
and
state
elections
in
the
district
next
to
them,
but
they
do
not
need
to
be
taken
into
consideration
for
purposes
of
the
population,
and
that
has
been
the
long-standing
practice
since
clifton
faye
issued
a
memo
in
2001
on
that
legal
question.
P
P
L
I
appreciate
the
gis
department.
I
went
online
yesterday
and
looked
at
it.
We
didn't
have
a
whole
lot
of
time
to
look
at
it,
but
I
really
appreciate
the
fine
job
they've
done
so
sort
of
what
I
had
summarized.
Maybe
you
can
confirm
this
scenario:
a
districts,
one
two
and
eight
incumbents
are
out
of
the
district
right.
A
A
A
Just
yeah,
so
yes,
yes,
sir,
so
district
two
would
be
out
of
their
district.
L
Q
L
L
A
L
L
B,
two.
L
L
A
F
Well,
when
it
comes
to
like
protecting
incumbents,
I
don't
have,
and
probably
nobody
here
has
a
particular
political
interest
in
protecting
an
incumbent,
but
on
the
other
hand,
when
maps
have
drawn
that
exclude
the
incumbents
where
they
now
live,
then
it
does
look
like
political
considerations
were
given
to
drawing
someone
out
of
their
district
and
if
my
historical
memory
is
correct,
that's
why,
at
one
time
the
council
and
school
board
lines
were
different,
one
of
the
school
board
incumbents
was
about
to
be
drawn
out
of
her
district,
and
I
remember
having
a
discussion
around
the
board
table
saying:
if
incumbents
are
not
returned,
then
the
voters
should
decide
that
not
some
bureaucrats
at
city
hall
and.
N
F
B
B
S
Hello,
okay,
so
miss
paulies.
I
I
think
that
the
state
legislature
has
actually
set
it
as
a
priority
of
theirs
that
the
redistricting
efforts
don't
draw
out
current
sitting
elected
officials
from
their
districts.
I'm
sure,
for
the
very
reason
that
you
articulated
that,
as
it
seems
politically
motivated,
so
there's
there's
the
appearance
and
then
there's
also
the
fact
that
the
state
legislature
that
ultimately
has
to
approve
this
plan
has
set
that
as
a
priority
to
keep
people
in
their
districts.
S
Joining
in
sharing
these
boundary
lines
is
a
consideration,
that's
voluntary
for
them,
and
it
has.
I
think
people
would
agree,
worked
well
in
the
past
and
so
we're.
You
know
here
looking
at
this
body's
deliberative
process,
to
see
if
the
course
that
you
are
heading
in
to
make
a
recommendation
to
city
council
would
also
make
sense
for
the
school
board.
S
That's
not
true
for
the
enabling
legislation
that
created
and
governs
the
school
district.
It
is,
if
you
redraw
a
boundary
and
a
person
who
was
elected
from
district
2,
for
example,
no
longer
resides
in
district
2,
then
under
our
enabling
legislation
that
seat
is
deemed
vacant
at
that
point.
So
it's
a
twist
on
the
considerations
that
you're
looking
at.
R
I
mean
my
thought
would
be
that
if
we
look
at
the
variance
you
know
you
have
your
entire
target
population
and
I've
crunched
some
of
the
numbers,
I'm
not
the
the
math
scholar,
but
if
the
goal
is
to
get
within
that
one
percent
variance-
and
I
think
there
are
only
a
couple
of
districts
that
are
outside
of
that
variance
to
me.
It
would
make
the
most
logical
sense
in
the
path
of
least
resistance,
to
consider
how
we
can
accommodate
just
those
variances
versus
displacing
several
council
members
from
their
from
their
seat.
R
I
mean
to
me
it's
if
we've
got
a
short
timetable
and
we're
looking
to
push
this
through
in
a
week
to
me.
The
most
prudent
course
of
action
would
be
to
consider
exactly
what
I
laid
out.
Where
are
we
on
the
variants?
What
districts
are
heavy?
What
districts
are
like
and
then
make
a
decision
based
on
that,
and
the
other
comment
I
had
was
too,
and
this
is
concerning
just
because
I'm
a
lawyer
if
we
have
legal
considerations
about
diluting
populations-
and
we
don't
know
what
the
variance
is.
R
It
seems
to
me
that
we've
made
the
proposals
have
been
made,
that
if
you
look
at
district
one
you're
looking
at
a
five
percent
drop
in
the
black
population,
and
is
that
going
to
create
some
kind
of
legal
conflict
and
prevent
us
from
passing
this
through
and
to
me
it's,
I
think,
that's
part
of
the
analysis.
What
does
the
case
law
say?
What
is
going
to
make
sure
that
the
decision
that
we
make
is
going
to
get
passed
and
then
we're
not
running
afoul,
something
that
none
of
us
know
right
now.
C
I
think
there's
some
there's
a
five
percent
percentage
difference
between
the
bat,
the
black
population
and
what
the
census
says,
and
now
what
this
the
new
line
would
be
in
the
population
and
that's
a
serious
percentage
drop.
Considering
if
you
see
that
the
white
is
at
58,
so
there's
some
to
me.
That's
some
serious
issues
when
it
comes
to
voting.
B
R
Yeah
and
it's
it's
also-
the
we've
been
given
this
one
percent
variance
rule.
You
know
if
you
look
at
the
way
that
the
each
district
has
grown
you,
you
can
run
the
numbers
and
that's,
I
think
that
was
part
of
the
motion
I
made
two
weeks
ago
was:
how
does
this
break
out
within
that
variance
with
you
know,
from
the
from
the
actual
population,
we
know
that
we've
got
to
hit
this
target
of
twenty
four
thousand
nine
seventy
seven,
and
then
you
get
that
one
percent
variance
either
way.
R
Where
do
all
of
these
districts
fall
within
the
variance
and
to
me
it's
if
district
two
is
heavy,
we
know
that
district
2
needs
to
give
up
a
spot.
If
district
3
is
is
light,
we
know
that
we
need
to
move
up
somewhere
else.
Why
mess
with
the
other
districts,
all
of
them,
because
scenario
c
is
now
completely.
I
mean
it's
not
completely,
but
you're
shifting
lines.
When
I
don't
think
you
necessarily
need
to
do
that.
B
I
guess
the
the
having
the
target
population
and
miss
shefter
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
that
goes
to
the
one
person
one
vote.
Is
that
correct
in
terms
of
our
guiding
point
again,
I'm
I'm
looking
at
this
from
a
point
of
view
of
our
commission
needs
to
develop
guiding
principles
in
order
to
make
decisions.
O
Yes,
that
would
go
to
one
person,
one
vote
and
equal
protection
as
well.
I
wanted,
maybe,
if
we
could
get
miss
borin
to
comment
on
the
the
way
she
anticipates,
that
the
state
commission
will
review
these
plans
and
what
how
they
will
impact
their.
You
know,
implement
their
guiding
principles
and
review.
P
So
I'm
not
100
sure
how
the
state
will
do
it,
but
how
I
visualize
this
commission,
I
think
doing
their
responsibility-
is
developing.
As
the
chair
has
said,
guiding
principles
for
this
commission.
Do
you
want
to
preserve
incumbency?
That's
one
thing:
do
you
want
to
protect
communities
of
interest
subdivisions
precincts
areas?
P
You
know
your
federal
and
state
guidelines
that
you
have
to
do
and
that
that's
the
one
vote
and
not
diluting
minority
population,
but
there
are
other
guiding
principles
that
this
commission
can
then
look
at
like
preservation,
communities
of
interest,
not
not
splitting
subdivisions
not
splitting
precinct
lines,
but
but
those
are
things
that
this
commission
has
the
ability
to
adopt.
If
they
choose
to
now
the
state
when
they
get
it,
they
will
look
at
it
and
look
at
that
plus
or
minus
ideal
population.
They
will
look
at
things
like.
P
Are
there
identifiable
boundaries
like
creeks
roads,
interstates
that
they
can
identify?
If
they
cannot
identify
those,
then
we
will
not
get
technical
certification
of
the
redistricting
plan
without
technical
certification
it
cannot
move
forward
to
council
for
them
to
adopt.
So
technical
certification
comes
from
legislative
reapportionment.
P
B
H
O
Well,
the
actually,
the
charter
review
commission
is
in
session
right
now
and
they
are
about
actually
to
finalize
their
recommendations
and
move
to
public
hearings
on
their
recommendations.
So
obviously
that
could
be
considered.
But
let
me
also
point
out
that
the
schedule
that
is
on
is
any
changes
to
the
charter
would
not
be
adopted
until
november
of
2022..
B
I
I
think
I
want
some
clarity
on
that.
We
could
make
you're
saying
we
could
and
if
I
understand
your
question,
you're
saying
eliminate
the
two
at-large
districts.
That
sounds
like
a
charter
issue,
not
a
that
sounds
like
not
our
commission,
but
please
clarify
that.
L
Regarding
that
subject,
I
believe
we
used
to
have
four
districts
and
six
at
large.
Is
that
correct?
Does
anybody
historically
remember
the
charter
review
recommended
you
know
eight
and
two,
but
it
used
to
be
either
four
and
six
or
six
and
four
six
district,
four
at
large,
that
was
done
by
the
charter
review.
So
if
we
recommend
anything
to
them,
it's
got
to
be
approved
next
november.
L
B
B
J
Room
pam
can
I
circle
back
to
when
you
were
going
through
one
of
the
maps,
and
I
made
a
note
here.
You
said
there
were
32
people
in
the
technology
park,
but
not
a
residential
area.
Well,
our
atlanta
team
is
so
awesome.
They
make
sure
they
count
the
homeless,
so
I
just
want
it
for
the
people
to
be
that's
listening
to
understand,
there's
a
special
operation
that
count
the
homeless.
J
M
With
that
saying,
going
back
to
mr
hale's
initial
question
about
fort
benning
for
clarity,
if
I'm
not
mistaken
in
our
last
meeting
that
we
had
there
right
now,
there
are
civilians
or
retirees
that
live
on
fort
benning
and
you
all
calculated
those
numbers
in
the
numbers.
That's
outside
of
the
7
000
that's
been
taken
away,
or
is
those
numbers
inclusive
in
the
7
000
that
the
ones
that
live
in
the
muscovy
county
area
right
there
when
you
go
into
on
the
fort
benning.
P
M
P
J
I'd
like
to
add
the
soldiers
that
live
in
barracks,
that's
a
separate
thing
for
the
people,
that's
listening!
I
I
know
you
probably
know
that
sir,
but
a
lot
of
times,
people
are
not
that
familiar
with
how
the
census
work.
So
for
those
that
live
in
barracks,
they
are
counted
by
the
department
of
defense
and
that's
a
different
process
and
again
we're
counting
people
where
they
are
on
april
1st,
whatever
year
that
is
2010
2020
and
at
20
30.,
wherever
you're
breathing
on
u.s
soil.
So
you
could
be
there.
J
You
could
be
in
texas
on
the
30th,
but
if
you're
in
muscovy
county
on
april
1st,
you
got
counted
here,
but
if
you
went
back
to
texas
on
the
second
and
that's
where
it
gets
a
little
tricky.
Thank
you.
P
H
A
So
are
there
other
scenarios?
You
would
like
us
to
look
at
that's
a
question
to
the
commission
and
I
heard
the
minority
dilution
as
well
as
the
incumbent.
If
you
can
tell
us
what,
if
you
want
us
to
stay
within
a
certain
percentage,
we
can
go
back
and
look
at
scenario
c
and
and
see
how
we
could
meet
the
request
of
the
commission.
A
Hours,
I
guess,
trying
to
get
to
the
number
and
to
the
incumbent
and
not
to
divide
a
subdivision
and
we
paid
attention
to
the
minority
dilution
as
much
as
we
could,
but
if
there
is
a
percentage
I
know
I
heard
some
of
them
went
five
percent
up
or
down.
If
you
want
us
to
try
to
stay
within
two
percent
or
three
percent,
if
you
can
give
us
that
information,
we
can
go
back
and
try
to
meet
the
request
of
the
commission.
I
mean.
R
I
think
the
problem
is
that
we
don't
know
what
we
could
throw
out
there
and
say
two
percent,
but
it's
two
percent
gonna
comply
with
the
law
and
we
don't
know
that
it's
five
percent
gonna
comply
with
the
law.
We
don't
know
that
and
I
think
that
that's
something
that
we
need
to
know,
and
the
other
thing
is.
If
what
I
would
like
to
see
is
a
scenario
that
is
the
path
of
least
resistance
to
tinkering
with
the
lines
when
you've
got
this
target
that
has
been
recommended
to
us
of
the
one
percent
variance.
A
A
B
You
wanted
to
comment
on.
I
think
mr
broadwater's
first
question
about
how
do
we
know
whether
or
not
what
is
the
amount
of
delusion
to
sleep
and
delusion
that
would
raise
concerns.
O
My
understanding
is,
there
is
no
we're
never
going
to
have
an
absolute
set
percentage.
That
we
know
is
a
safe
harbor.
You
know
that
is
the
type
of
thing
that
is
reviewed
by
the
courts
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
We
do,
however,
on
the
population
variants
have
the
one
percent
guidance
which
I
assume
the
state
will
use
in
their
technical
review,
and
one
thing
additional
point,
just
sort
of
from
a
standpoint
of
common
sense
to
me
that
I
think
is,
should
be
taken
into
account
in
the
dilution.
O
A
We
worked
to
make
sure
that
we
did
not
divide
a
subdivision
now.
I
won't
say
that
we
didn't
divide
a
neighborhood,
because
some
neighborhoods
are
multiple
streets
and
it's
not
necessarily
a
subdivision
where
you
have
an
entrance
and
the
subdivision
loops
around.
So
in
some
areas
it
might
be
multiple
streets.
If
there's
a
subdivision
name
for
those
multiple
streets,
I
can't
say
that
we
never
divided,
but
that
was
the
intention
when
we
were
looking
at
was
not
to
divide
a
subdivision.
L
Could
you
show
us
an
example
of
what
you're
talking
about
I've?
I
looked
there's
a
couple
of
things
I
was
going
to
mention.
Do
we
need
to
mr
chairman?
Do
we
need
to
narrow
our
focus
and
let's
say
I
personally
think
scenario:
a
and
b
are
not
an
option,
focus
on
c
and
then
ask
to
see
the
neighborhood
configuration
and
where
things
could
possibly
be
tweaked
to
make
it
better.
B
I
think
probably,
let's
have
I'm
what
I
what
I
think,
I'm
hearing
everyone
saying
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
make
a
motion
right
at
this
moment,
is
that
the
best
guess
that
the
city
was
able
to
come
up
with
is
scenario
c,
and
it
might
make
sense
to
try
to
talk
about
tweaking
scenario
c,
as
opposed
to
I
mean
we,
you
can
make
a
motion
to
rule
out
scenario.
T
B
L
L
A
One
of
the
areas
that
would
be
called
the
neighborhood
averitt
woods
and
it
does
split
between
the
two
district,
but
not
necessarily
a
subdivision,
but
it
is
a
neighborhood.
So
this
is
one
example
where
we
there
was
a
neighborhood
and
again
this
was
an
incumbent
that
lived
on
the
edge
so
trying
to
maintain
the
incumbents
in
their
district
was
one
of
our
guiding
principles
and
again
that's
to
the
commission.
If
you
want
us
to
not
think
about
that.
F
Q
S
F
I
remember
how
that
winds.
The
park
is
split
between
two
and
five.
I
don't
live
near
there,
but
I
just
remember
that's
a
big.
I
don't
know
if
you
call
that
a
neighborhood,
a
subdivision,
it
does
have
an
entry
and
is
windsor
park
put
back
together
and
the
in
sea.
I
can't
tell
without
a
magnifying
glass.
A
F
L
L
So,
like
I
would
say,
should
we
look
over
on
williams,
road
and
maybe
adjust
there?
Those
are
the
kind
of
things
I
saw
when
I
saw
the
map
to
to
just
see,
could
it
be,
could
it
be
adjusted
and
maintained
the
ratio
of
equity.
S
L
I
L
E
A
Had
grown,
and
so
we
looked
at
this
area
and
then
scroll
over
to
the
east,
and
and
so
we
were
cautious,
because
district
six,
which
is
in
the
yellow,
also
had
grown,
and
so
we
had
to
pull
from
that.
So
we
were
cautious
about
moving
from
district
two
to
district
six,
because
then
that
just
puts
more.
I
Massage
I
agree
with
david
what
he
stated
earlier
and
I
think
that
I
know
that
we're
looking
at
a
timeline
on
this,
but
I
think
we're
going
to
be
moving
too
fast.
It's
going
to
take
a
little
bit
more
time
to
yes
because
of
me
looking
back
at
district
1's
map-
and
you
know
I
got
some
concerns
there
and
things,
and
so
I
just
think
that
we
probably
need
to
just
slow
down
the
process.
I
I
know
we're
trying
to
meet
the
timeline,
but
there's
there's
some
things
that
that
concerns
me
with
the
new
boundaries
for
this.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
miss
hodge.
I
know
that
this
is
a
lot
of
hard
work
and
we've
had
to
do
it
very
quickly.
This
2020
was
a
very
unusual
year.
B
The
factors
that
I'm
aware
of
that
were
covid
related
delays
was
it's
my
understanding
that
some
of
the
members
of
the
commission
were
not
picked
at
the
last
decennial
grand
jury,
but
at
the
first
decennial
grand
jury
also,
as
I
think,
everyone
in
the
room-
and
hopefully
everyone
on
tv
is
aware,
census
numbers
were
delayed
in
coming
to
us
and
that
I
think,
did
have
a
big
impact
on
on
scheduling
and
and
the
po
and
as
we're
all
thinking
about
right
now,
the
possible
consequences
for
the
2022
elections.
B
To
that
end,
I
definitely
do
want
to
hear
from
everybody
about
the
need,
whether
or
not
there's
in
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
any
of
the
attorneys
and
others
involved
here.
There
is
nothing
requiring
us
to
stick
to
the
schedule
that
was
proposed
in
the
in
the
powerpoint
presentation
because,
as
I
said,
this
is
an
awful
lot
of
information
to
digest.
B
Having
said
that,
there
will
be
consequences
in
terms
of
actually.
I
think
the
consequences
will
be
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
the
are
the
council
lines
would
not
go
into
effect
until
2024
and
it
also
may
impact
what
the
school
board
decides
to
do.
Is
that
a
correct
statement,
mischef
doll
or
mr
ellington.
B
Mr
ellington,
I
don't
want
to
put
you
on
the
spot,
but,
as
I
said,
I
do
think
that
we
have
to
factor
in
if
we
want
to
keep
the
lines
the
same,
which
does
which
might
be
one
of
our
guiding
principles,
then
we,
I
think
we
have
to
talk
about
this
very,
very
tight
deadline
that
was
proposed
in
the
powerpoint.
S
S
We
do
have
some
some
timelines,
but
it's
not
stemming
from
from
the
same
timelines
and
deadlines
that
are
determining
some
of
the
considerations
that
you've
heard
about
how
you
got
to
that
suggestion.
So
we're
monitoring
the
timelines,
but
don't
let
that
be
a
consideration
for
y'all.
You
all
are
on
a
tighter
timeline,
quite
frankly
than
the
school
district
would
be.
B
And
I
guess
this
is
all
base.
Our
tight
deadline
is
based
upon
a
primary
in
may
of
20
may
25th
2022.
Is
that
correct,
may
24th
so
and
that
actually
we
don't
have
any
control
over
the
infinite
wisdom
of
the
georgia
legislature,
and
I
don't
know
really
what
no,
because
that
that
six-month
provision
in
the
charter,
I
think,
is
what's
tying
our
hands
on
the
deadlines.
S
And
I
guess
the
other
thing
lucy
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but-
and
this
was
mentioned-
I
believe
at
the
at
the
first
meeting
that
this
commission
held,
and
that
is
the
the
consequence
of
not
getting
it
done
in
time,
for
the
may
elections
of
2022
is
that
the
current
lines
would
be
the
applicable
lines.
So
it's
not
as
though
you
cannot
conduct
elections.
You
begin
conducting
the
elections
under
the
status
quo,
so.
J
J
This
is
something
you
could
probably
digest
very
quickly,
but
just
listening
to
people
when
they
introduce
themselves.
This
is
something
that
is
not
in
their
normal
wheelhouse.
I
just
think
it's
important
so
when
the
there
are
no
thereafters,
so
I
would
agree
with
mr
hickey
for
me
personally.
B
I
think
it's
a
lot
of
information
even
for
those
that
are
accustomed
to
working
with
this,
and
I
think
you
do
bring
up
another
point
that
the
commission
should
consider
in
terms
of
these
deadlines.
I
think
it's
very
important
for
the
general
public
to
have
as
much
input
into
what
we're
doing
as
possible.
What
my
concern.
B
B
A
And
absolutely
we
can,
we
can
go
back,
we
can
bring
you
more
options.
We
can
look
at
what
we
did
and
see
and
make
some
of
the
adjustments.
Based
on
the
comments
that
I've
heard
today
and
bring
you
back,
you
know
more
options
and
maybe
provide
more
specific
information
to
show
that
if
we
add
this
census
tract
back
in
and
take
this
one
out,
what
does
that
do
to
numbers?
So
maybe
even
walk
you
through
that
process
that
we
went
through
and
share
that
and
bring
you
back
more
more
options.
We're
happy
to
do
that.
B
So
just
so,
I
can
be
clear
about
this.
We're
okay
with
any
commission
member
making
requests
for
other
maps
and
the
the
city
will
be
happy
to
try
their
best
to
accommodate
that
and
at
say
the
next
meeting.
G
I
have
a
quick
question:
there
are
some
just
from
myself.
I
actually
would
like
to
be
able
to
play
around
with
some
things
and
move
stuff
around.
Is
it
possible
for
us
to
put
the
census
information
and
maps
in
a
free
or
open
source
redistricting
tool
so
that
some
of
the
members
could
mess
around
with
the
maps
if
they
wanted
to.
P
So,
mr
chair,
I
don't
know
if
the
commission
would
like
to
appoint
a
subcommittee
to
kind
of
kind
of
work
on
looking
at
some
of
these
districts,
maybe
as
a
subcommittee
and
come
back
to
the
full
commission
with
a
report
working
with
gis,
that's
certainly
some
something
something
that
the
commission
could
choose
to
do
if
possible.
Secondly,
I
think
the
commission
needs
to
speak
with
a
unified,
unified
voice
when
asking
for
additional
plans.
B
Right,
I
guess
I
think
right
now
we're
still
talking
about
the
scheduling
and
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
be
able
to
meet
the
deadline
proposed
to
not
affect
the
20
to
have
a
new
districts
in
2022
and
then,
but
I
do
think
you
you
make
a
very
good
point
about
perhaps
having
a
subcommittee
for
those
that
want
to
hang
out
with
the
gis
people
for
a
while
and.
A
So
also,
if
I
want
to
respond
to
mr
perkins
first,
we
only
have
so
many
licenses
for
the
gis
software
that
we
have
and
that's
only
six
licenses,
which
is
from
our
it
department
and
our
planning
staff,
but
we're
happy
if
anybody
wants
to
come
in
as
we're
you
know
going
through
and
making
these
adjustments
it's
you
know
it.
We
can
do
it
at
a
work
session.
A
A
Technical
than
that,
but
we're
happy
to
to
to
handle
it.
However,
the
commission
would
like
us
to.
G
Yeah,
I
I
was,
I
think,
asking
more
about
like
the
the
information
there's.
There
are
free
tools,
free
redistricting
tools
that
we
can
use
that
wouldn't
require
licenses
for
the
group.
So
I
was
just
kind
of
chatting
about
that,
but
I
can
perhaps
mr
chair.
We
can
speak
with
the
guys
in
gis
and
just
have
a
discussion
with
them
about
that.
H
H
B
M
H
The
motion
on
all
of
what
the
judge
said.
N
R
B
This
part
of
the
discussion
on
the
motion-
no
sorry,
okay,
and
actually
would
you
mind
restating
what
I
said.
G
Yes,
I
this
the
comment,
I'm
going
to
make
kind
of
goes
back
to
what
mr
hickey
said
earlier
about
us
slowing
down
just
a
little
bit.
I
just
received
this
information.
I
think
I
can't
remember
which
night
it
was,
but
it
was
like
11
o'clock
at
night,
so
I've
had
very
little
time
to
look
over
anything
we
have
so
I
know
I
know.
We've
talked
a
little
bit
about
incumbent,
incumbency,
protection
and
things
like
that.
G
But
if
we're
going
to
allow
for
more
time
on
this
process,
I
think
it
would
be
best
if
everyone
took
some
time
to
look
through
everything.
We
have
really
think
through
really
think
through
how
we
want
to
proceed
with
this
and
then
move
forward
before
we
start
kind
of
cutting
away.
I
think
so.
That's
just
my
personal
feeling
about
it.
B
G
Yes,
I
would
say
we
hold
off
on
that
until
and
hold
off
on
making
that
decision
until
the
next
meeting,
at
least.
L
G
Yeah,
I
would
say
my
feeling
is
not
is
to
not
move
forward
on
getting
rid
of
option
a
and
b
just
because
of
the
amount
of
time
we've
had
a
b
and
c
in
front
of
us.
So
just
taking
another,
I
guess
a
week
or
so
to
just
look
over
everything
and
digest
all
of
the
information
we
have
before.
We
make
any
decisions
about
getting
rid
of
particular
options
or
anything
like
that.
But.
H
If
a
and
b,
we
know
is
sort
of
infringing
upon
others,
what
moving
people
out
of
their
different
well.
G
I
think
at
least
the
way
I
took
it.
I
think
there's
still
some
questions
about
I
I
know
at
least
this.
What
I
heard
was
the
state
has
preferences,
but
that
it's
not
a
requirement.
So
that
is
correct.
Somebody
correct
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
they
have
a
preference,
but
it
is
not
a
requirement,
and
so
I
just
think
that
we
should
again.
I
would
prefer
to
have
a
little
bit
of
time
to
think
through
all
of
this
before
I
move
forward
with
removing
any
options
that
we've
looked
at
for
48
hours,.
B
And
I,
just
as
part
of
this
discussion,
I'm
going
to
keep
carping
back
to
us
thinking
what
should
be
our
guiding
principles,
because
I
think
that
that
really
goes
to
everything
again.
Some
of
the
guiding
principles
that
are,
I
guess
implicit
in
mr
hales
is
motion-
is
about
incumbent
protection
and
and
dealing
with
delusion
in
one
person,
one
vote,
and
my
own
thought
is
that
we
do
want
to
have.
We
have
to
have
something
to
start
working
with.
Is
there
any
other
discussion
on
the
motion.
F
H
I'll
try
to
remember
what
happened.
The
motion
is
to
accept
scenario
c,
oh
okay,
and
also
go
into
subcommittees
to
discuss
the
changes
that
that
might
be
needed
in
those
in
terms
of
the
numbers.
B
E
I'd
like
to
say
that
with
scenario
c
incumbent
preservation
is
important
to
me,
and-
and
I
will
fight
for
that,
to
keep
these
counselors
in
an
area
where
they
have
worked
for
and
work
for
the
citizens
and
work
for
for
everybody
within
the
government
as
long
as
they
have,
rather
than
just
taking
a
chance
and
writing
somebody
out.
B
B
Okay
moving
on-
and
I
think
implicit
in
this.
M
I
miss
the
chair.
Do
you
want
to
establish
a
subcommittee
at
this
point
now
to
since
that
was
part
of
the.
B
Motion,
I
have
no
opposition
to
doing
that
or
do
we
want
to
talk
about
the
subcommittee
before
or
after
talking
about
the
scheduling
of
our
next
meetings?.
B
Okay
and
I,
I
actually
think
to
some
extent
that
needs
that
does
make
sense
that
we
need
to
talk
about
it.
Here's
what
I'm
hearing-
and
I
don't
know
if
I
do
think
we
need
to
formalize
this-
I'm
hearing
from
the
entire
commission
that
this
is
a
lot
of
information
to
digest
and
that
it
would
be
very-
and
this
goes
in
terms
of
my
important
guiding
principles
about
notice
and
an
opportunity
to
be
heard
by
the
public
as
a
whole.
B
B
So,
in
light
of
that,
do
I
have
a
motion
about
when
we
would
want.
I
actually
one
thing
I
do
want
all
of
these
meetings
to
be
broadcast.
I
do
want
again.
I
want
to
err
on
the
side
of
giving
everyone
an
ample
opportunity
to
have
any
comments.
Any
concerns
raised
whether
they're
part
of
the
commission
or
part
of
the
general
public,
but
I
also
want
us
to
do
our
work
diligently.
B
B
In
light
of
that,
do
I
have
them
so
next
week
miss
said
that
this
room
is
available.
We
don't
want
to
do
it
on
election
day,
although
I
guess
we
could
early
vote
today.
Couldn't
we.
A
So
this
this
room
is
available
monday,
the
first
at
five
o'clock,
5
30,
and
it's
also
available
on
wednesday
november
the
3rd
next
week.
If
you
want
to
meet
in
the
in
the
evenings
and
then
I
can
check
the
schedule
for
you
know,
if
you
let
me
know,
dates
times
days
of
the
week
and
make
sure
that
the
this
council
chambers
is
available
during
that
time,.
I
O
If
I
could
make
one
comment,
just
for
the
benefit
of
the
committee,
there
is
a
very
small
outside
chance
that
the
general
assembly
will
move
the
primary
by
one
month.
It's
been
requested
by
numerous
local
jurisdictions.
It's
not
expected
that
they
will
do
that.
We
will
know
during
the
special
session
in
november
whether
they
are
so.
I
would
urge
the
commission
to
keep
moving
in
the
pos,
because
it's
the
possibility
we
may
have
through
december
to
get
this
done.
B
And
we
can,
as
I
said,
I
don't
want
to
predict
the
infinite
wisdom
of
the
georgia
general
assembly,
but
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
keep
moving
forward.
Do
I
have
a
motion
on
when
we
would
like
to
meet
next
week
and
to
that
end
I
don't
know
if
we
got
the
answer
about
whether
the
fourth
is
available.
B
Information,
though,
I
think
we're
going
to
talk
about
forming
a
subcommittee
too,
so
they
might,
they
might
want
a
day
or
two
to
get
together
and
and
talk
to
the
city.
If
we
were
to
meet
on
monday,
that
would
mean
that
subcommittee
would
probably
have
to
get
with
the
with
the
folks
from
the
city
tomorrow
or
monday,
and
I
just
think
that
sounds
a
little
bit
tight.
J
Yes,
I
think
it's
important
that
people
have
a
chance
as
mr
perkins
to
study
and
review.
Otherwise,
it's
just
like
being
on
a
merry-go-round,
so
I
think
monday
would
be
too
soon.
It's
just
like
doing
your
homework,
where
you
just
have
to
have
a
moment
to
review.
You
might
want
to
confer
with
someone.
You
have
a
question.
J
H
I
wouldn't
even
say
probably
next
week
might
be
too
soon,
especially
if
you
do
a
subcommittee
to
have
a
chance
to
meet,
and
that's
just
me
talking,
you
know
if
you
have.
If,
if
you
pulled
together
the
subcommittee
now
they
would
need
a
chance
to
meet
next
week
and
then
they
might
have
some
information
that
they
would
want
some
maps
drawn
to
get
to
the
gis
folks.
So
maybe
coming
back
at
the
group
in
a
week
in
two
weeks.
A
That
day,
but.
O
A
H
M
A
B
M
F
F
B
Well,
I
don't
I
discuss.
I
think
I
really
do
want
to
talk
about,
and-
and
I
I
share
your
concern,
mr
williams,
about
wanting
to
do
this,
but
I
also
want
to
keep
to
be
honest
with
you:
keep
pressure
on
the
commission
to
continue
to
meet
regularly.
G
Just
as
a
just
a
suggestion
I
have
for
us
to
consider
in
terms
of
when
the
commission
meets,
I
think
it
may
be
easier
for
the
public
just
to
know
when
we
meet
if
we
pick
a
day
in
a
time
and
just
do
that
on
a
regular
basis.
So
like
thursday,
at
5,
30
or
thursday
at
6,
or
something
like
that,
may
be
easier
for
us
to
just
do
that
every
week
and
in
cases
of
a
holiday
we
just
don't
meet.
C
J
Have
to
have
excuse
me,
I'm
sorry.
We
have
to
have
some
evening
meetings
for
those
that
work,
because
it's
open
to
the
public
in
case
they
want
to
be
present,
have
feedback.
I
mean
that's
just
even
with
the
charter
review
mary
sue
and
I
served
on
that
before.
So
that's
a
part
of
making
sure
that
the
public
has
access.
A
Thursday,
we
could
meet
thursday,
the
4th
the
following
thursday
november
11th
is
a
holiday.
The
next
would
be
november
18th
does
that
work
jeremy
november
18th,
then
the
following
thursday
is
thanksgiving.
So.
A
Just
for
the
month
of
november,
probably
not
the
best
day,
but
the
commission
could
meet
the
fourth
and
the
18th,
and
maybe
every
other
week
is
an
option
for
the
commission.
B
A
We
can
provide
how
about
we
provide
you
a
schedule
if
you
can
set
the
next
meeting
date
and
then
we'll
provide
a
complete
schedule
of
when
it's
available
and
if
the
entire
commission
is
going
to
be
this
sub
committee.
We
might
as
well
meet
in
here,
and
we
can
go
through
that
exercise
with
the
entire
commission.
M
B
N
B
B
R
O
One
option
you
could
have
would
be
to
set
a
meeting
as
a
work
session,
not
a
voting
meeting
and
that
way
any
member
who
was
interested
in
participating
in
the
work
session
could
come.
But
the
vote
on
the
plan
would
not
be
taken
at
such
a
meeting
and
then
you
would
advertise
a
full
meeting
of
the
voting
meeting
of
the
commission.
B
N
O
B
B
R
The
scrapping
the
subcommittee
is
would
be
my
idea
if
we
just
have
work
sessions
and
if
those
members
on
the
commission
want
to
come
and
participate,
they're
obviously
able
to
do
that.
But
to
me
it's
if
we're
going
to
continue
to
push
the
ball,
which
we
obviously
need
to
do
and
wrap
up
our
work
in
an
expedient
manner.
R
B
N
C
B
B
B
U
U
U
U
U
So
those
type
of
things
we've
got
to
be
considerate
of
our
general
public
as
you
digest
deliberate
and
discuss
this
issue,
because
this
is
a
huge
issue
to
this
community,
especially
as
the
miss
polly
said.
It's
a
hot
button,
it's
election
year
and
we
all
everybody
in
this
room
knows
what
happened
in
2020.
U
U
Always
just
think
about
that.
For
a
second,
you
don't
have
to
have
a
long
drawn
out
meeting,
but
just
something
I've
said
in
miss
bourne.
I've
said
in
a
meeting,
and
I
was
the
only
citizen
on
a
saturday,
the
only
citizen,
but
you
have
to
give
your
public
due
notice
and
you
have
to
provide
them
the
opportunity
to
appear
before
you.
Thank
you
especially
thank
you
for
your
service,
because
I
know
a
lot
of
you
are
retired.
You
can
be
doing
a
whole
lot
of
other
things
than
being
here
serving
your
community.
T
Hello,
my
name
is
harry
underwood,
I
love.
I
live
at
82
veterans,
parkway
in
district
6.,
and
thank
you
judge
and
and
commissioners
for
meeting
today.
T
I
wanted
to
ask
regarding
the
public
input
and
especially
like
that
only
a
few
of
the
set
of
the
residents
of
the
city
who
are
not
commissioners
are
here
present
and
one
thing
I've
been
like
asking-
and
I
sent
this
to
city
council
regarding
the
commission-
is
to
have
a
website
or
a
web
page
on
the
city
website
columbus
j.gov
for
dedicated
to
dedicated
to
redistricting
in
the
redistricting
process.
T
That
shows
maps
that
has
links
to
the
pdfs
and
maps
and
the
gis
data
and
gis
packages,
so
that
people
in
the
public
can
also
use
this
data
as
well
as
dominic
was
suggesting,
but
having
a
page
dedicated
to
that
with
proper
links
and
also
a
form
for
public
comment,
because
this
is
what
the
general
assembly
is
already
doing.
Even
though
I
do
not.
T
I
do
not
agree
at
all
with
their
partisan
process
or
like
drawing
of
drawing
their
own
districts,
which
at
least
we
have
a
a
non-technically,
non-partisan,
commission-based
process
for
for
drawing
the
districts
here
in
columbus,
that
we
don't
have
a
dedicated
page
or
a
an
online
means
of
public
comment
in
the
off
hours
between
this
meeting
and
the
next
meeting
and
further
on.
So
that's
something.
T
This
is
something
I
I
noticed:
it's
not
a
law,
it's
not
require
required
under
georgia
law,
unfortunately,
to
consider
about
prison
gerrymandering
or
which
is
the
process
by
which
prisoners
in
the
state
across
the
states
are
counted
as
residents
of
the
prisons
in
which
they
are
incarcerated,
rather
than
the
residents
of
their
last
voluntary
domicile.
T
And
what
I'm
hoping
for
for
this
commission
to
look
at
as
a
guideline
to
adopt
is
to
count
residents
in
this
from
based
on
the
census
count
residents,
who
are
also
currently
imprisoned
in
other
parts
of
the
state
or
at
moscow
county
prison
or
in
outside
of
the
states
who
were
last
residing
here
in
columbus
to
continue
to
count
them
as
residents
of
the
city
of
columbus
for
purposes
of
redistricting.
T
The
reason
why
is
because
the
redistricting
process
or
the
census
counts
again
as
counts
prisoners
as
the
residents
of
their
of
their
their
prisons,
but
they
are
also
not
counted
as
voters
because
of
current
of
georgia
law
saying
that
they
are
not
allowed
to
vote
so
what
I'm
hoping
it
will
and
to
interfer
further
on.
T
If
we're
not
counting
them
as
voters,
then
why
is
it
that
our
state
government
and
and
local
governments,
including
in
the
areas
where
they
are
incarcerated,
count
them
as
as
residents
of
those
areas
which
helps
inflate
for
state
legislative
purposes
and
congressional
purposes,
and
maybe
even
local
purposes,
their
their
numbers,
their
population
numbers
and
configure
their
borders
and
districts
based
on
you
know
on
them
being
residents,
even
though
they
cannot
vote.
T
So
I'm
hoping
that
the
city
that
this
commission
can
look
into
counting
prisoners
who
last
resided
here
in
columbus
as
residents,
rather
than
as
dom
residents
of
the
city
rather
than
residents
of
their
prisons?
Finally,
I
was
hearing
a
lot
about
dilution
regarding
voter
dilution
and
especially
over
my
of
minority
voter
dilution.
T
What
I'm
hoping
to-
and
I
I'm
surprised
that
that
none
no
discussion
was
paid
to
the
ideas
of
coalition
districts,
opportunity,
districts
and
influence
districts.
T
I
hope
that
you
can
that
the
members
of
commission,
the
commission,
can
look
at
these
three
terms
because
they
show
different
levels
of
of
not
dilution,
but
rather
the
presence
of
minority
voters
in
communities
so
that,
when
and
within
these
districts,
so
that
when
they
count
it
when
they
cast
their
votes
and
everything
that
they
still
have,
at
least
in
terms
of
the
influence
district,
their
representative
representation
and
a
share
of
the
vote
that
influences
the
result
in
that
district
and
or
opportunity
districts.
T
You
know
for
a
minority
preference
candidates,
I'm
hoping
that
the
that
out
those
eight
districts
that
the
that,
when
you
draw
these
districts,
that
you
look
at
those
three
terms,
even
though
they're
not
required
by
the
vra
the
voting
rights
act
of
1965,
that
you
look
at
those
ques
at
those
ideas
and
and
even
and
pair
it
with
the
idea
of
dilution,
so
that
you
can
have
not
just
have
african-americans
and
other
minorities
packed
in
two
districts
or
packed
and
cracked
into
districts.
T
We
should
probably
be
moving
away
from
packing
and
cracking
because
I
keep
hearing
from
many
members
of
this
community
that
we
have
gerrymandering
in
this
city
and
and
especially
racial
gerrymandering.
That's
something
I
hope
that
we
can
avoid
and
that
we
can
allow
for
coalition
opportunity
and
influence
districts.
That's
my
public
comment.
Thank
you.
So
much.
B
Well,
go
into
the
first
part
of
your
comment
about
posting
things
on
the
city's
websites.
Ms
hodge,
can
you
address
that.
A
Yes,
we
will
make
that
happen.
We
will
create
a
link
on
the
home
page
to
a
districting
commission
page
and
what
we
will
post
there
will
be
what
we
have
presented
to
this
commission
so
far,
so
we
obviously
won't
post
anything
that
doesn't
come
to
the
commission
first,
so
we'll
post
the
maps
that
you
saw
today,
the
powerpoint
presentation,
the
minutes
and
the
agenda
and
then,
as
the
commission
receives
information,
then,
following
that
we'll
post
that
to
the
website.
A
C
It
also
possible
to
post
the
upcoming
dates
of
the
meetings
and
then
also
the
recording,
so
a
link
to
wherever
people
can
watch
it
live
just
for
those
who
cannot
attend
have
direct
access
on
a
website
where,
if
they
can't
be
here
in
person,
they
can
watch
it
at
a
later
time
and
they
can
still
ask
the
same
questions
even
though
they
may
not
be
able
to
do
it
in
person.
Yes,.
A
N
T
T
And-
and
thank
you
so
much
for
for
that
as
well,
I
know
I
know
I
was
like
kind
of
badgering
a
little
bit
about
that
so
and
yeah
so
and
any.
If
y'all
have
any
discussions
about
present
dream,
mandarin
or
coalition
opportunity
and
influence
districts,
there
are
many
websites
and
links
for
that
for
those
resources
as
well.
Thank
you.
V
Bruce
city,
council,
district,
3
representative,
thank
you
to
the
commission
for
slowing
the
process
down.
I
had
mentioned
that
a
few
weeks
ago,
that
not
here,
but
in
a
council
session
that
I
ran
during
the
census
of
2010
and
during
that
time
everything
was
going
on.
They
were
collecting
data,
everything
2011
I
took
office
and
they
were
digesting
the
numbers
2012
an
election
took
place,
but
they
were
still
working
on
the
maps.
V
We
did
not
get
our
new
maps
until
march
of
2013.,
so
I
thank
you
all
for
throwing
the
process
down
because
in
my
situation,
if
you
take
a
good
look
at
district
3,
I'm
being
ripped
apart,
you're
saving
a
lot
of
people
but
you're
ripping
me
apart
to
david.
Is
it
row
weather?
I
get
your
name
right,
okay
to
his
point.
If
you
look
at
the
existing
maps
without
trying
to
move
us
out
of
our
districts,
I
only
need
it.
My
district
has
grown.
V
I
only
needed,
maybe
three,
four
hundred
people,
so
all
you
had
to
do
at
the
top
of
my
district
is
move
me
to
the
right
or
the
left.
It
doesn't
matter
either
way
and
pick
up
what
you
need
and
move
on,
and
so
I
request
that
when
you
start
looking
at
the
maps
that
you
go
back
to,
if
what's
existing
right
now
and
see
with
the
ones
that
are
affected,
then
can
you
just
move
us
right
or
left
and
everything
works
at
that
point.
V
And
my
last
point
is
at
this
late
date.
I
thank
you
for
slowing
it
down
and
I
am
one
that
wants
to
run
under
the
existing
lines
now
without
changing
anything
before
next
year,
because
we
and
the
other
counselors
and
people
school
district
members
that
have
been
working
for
these
last
eight
years.
Under
the
new
lines,
we've
been
working
for
our
constituents
very
hard
to
get
things
accomplished,
and
it
would
be
nice
to
give
them
the
opportunity
to
re-elect
us.
V
So
thank
you
for
all
your
work.
I
think
I've
covered
everything
here.
The
public
hearings
was
covered
about
trying
to
have
you
know
at
5,
30,
sometimes
maybe
a
saturday
meeting
in
order
for
people
to
get
here.
That's
what
we
have
to
do
with
our
city
council
meetings
and
the
timetable
you
have
slowing
down
so
in
in
the
census
blocks.
V
V
Back
almost
where
I
started
in
2010
and
the
district
has
grown
and,
as
I
mentioned
to
a
few
people
met
a
lot
of
good
people
over
the
years.
So
I
just
request
that
we
get
to
stay
because
my
understanding
is,
there
are
maybe
two
districts
that
have
been
affected
mostly,
so
it
should
be
not
not
a
hard
problem
when
you
get
through.
V
It
was
requested
that
you
all
would
be
working
with
the
with
the
census,
tracts
and
everything
on
the
system
of
gis
system,
so
it
should
be
easy,
easy
fix
for
all
10
of
us
well,
two
at
large,
all
eight
of
us
to
have
districts.
Thank
you
so
much.
J
Have
any
other
comments?
Yes,
sir?
If
I
may,
the
gentleman
had
a
question
about
the
census
and
the
counting
of
prisons.
That
is,
a
group
quarters.
This
commission,
based
on
my
experience
as
an
employee
of
the
u.s
census
bureau
for
two
decennials.
J
This
commission
does
not
decide
about
the
prisoners
and
how
they're
counted.
That
is
something
that
goes
at
a
higher
level.
Prisoners
are
counted
where
they
are
on
april,
1st,
whatever
that
every
10
years,
as
well
as
college
students
and
so
for
all
of
the
parents
here
in
columbus.
I
love
to
use
this
example
that
sent
their
children
to
the
university
of
georgia
in
2010.
They
were
able
to
get
another
congressional
seat
because
it
was
so
many
college
kids
there.
J
J
We
have
to
count
them
here
as
with
stewart
county,
and
that
is
a
political
argument
that
comes
up
every
time,
because
we
had
a
commissioner
in
stuart
county
that
was
concerned
that
the
people
in
prison
there.
You
know
they
were
not
residents,
but
it's
wherever
you
are
breathing
on
april
1st.
So
we
don't
have
the
authority
to
change
that.
That's
higher!
If
that's
something
that
you
would
like
to
reach
out
to
the
u.s
census,
bureau.
G
Thank
you.
If
I
could
harry,
I
just
want
to
be
clear
what
you're
talking
about
when
you're
talking
about
gerrymandering
of
prisons?
Are
you
talking
about?
The
counting
of
it
is,
is
your
concern
the
count
or
is
your
concern
that
prisoners
are
being
used
toward
the
totals
that
we're
for
the?
Because
I
have
a
concern
about
this
too
we're
just
talking
about
a
lot
of
information.
G
My
my
thought
is,
and
you
tell
me
if
you're
thinking
the
same
thing,
and
if
this
was
the
basis
of
your
question-
is
that,
if
we're
not
counting
fort
bending
residents
toward
the
206
000
person
total,
because
they
don't
get
a
vote
on
city
council,
that
we
should
also
not
count
prisoners
who
are
housed
at
rutledge,
because
they
also
will
not
be
able
to
vote
at
least
for
the
time
that
they're
going
to
be
in
prison
in
columbus?
Is
that
your
concern
or
your
concern
about
how
the
count
is
being
done?
Well,.
T
T
What
it
is
is
that
when
they
read
it,
when
they
do
redistricting,
then
they
they
don't
include
the
numbers
or
the
the
residences
of
the
or
the
last
voluntary
in
residences
of
these
prisoners
who
are
now
incarcerated,
wherever
else
and
everything,
but
were
previously
residents
of
the
city
or
or
of
their
specific
of
that
specific
neighborhood
in
the
city
and
when
they
redraw
the
map,
they
don't
include
the
numbers
of
those
who
are
now
residents
in
those
in
those
prisons.
T
So
when
they
do
that,
that
means
that
that
there's
more
you're
right,
they're
right
right,
because
the
sit
this
they're
still
citizens,
however-
and
they
should
but
the
the
position,
especially
from
folks
like
verified
and
fair
districts.
Georgia
is
that
when
they
do
redistricting
that
these
prisoners,
when
they
when
they
are
counted
well,
not
not
when
they're
counted,
but
when
they
are
when
the
maps
are
redrawn,
the
districts
are
redrawn,
that
they
include
the
numbers
that
and
whatever
districting
authority
will
be
able
to
do
this.
They
will
be
able
to
do
this.
T
It's
not
about
the
census
here,
like
the
census,
is
only
just
counting
the
prisoners,
but,
but
rather
this
redistricting
authority
would
then
redraw
the
map
to
include
those
individuals
in
the
final
drawing
of
the
map.
T
So
that's
pretty
much
what
it
is
not
about
the
counting
and
everything
it's
just
about
when
they
accounting
for
them
in
the
map,
so
that
and
that's
something
that,
like
lots
of
organizations,
including
the
prison
policy
institutes,
have
amazing
resources
on
about
prison
gerrymandering
and
why
at
least
10
states
says
of
this
year
have
banned
prison
gerrymandering
for
purposes
of
state,
legislative
and
congressional
districting,
and
I
believe
in
tennessee
they've
also
done
that
at
least
for
allowing
for
counties
to
prohibit
prison
gerrymandering,
which
is
interesting.
It's
a
unique
among
the
states
that
doing
that.
G
Just
because
we
have
a
charter
review
commission
meeting
and
I'm
on
the
charter
review
commission
also,
it
seems
like
part
of
the
part
of
the
issue
we've
been
having
in
terms
of
timeline
and
lucy.
If
you
could
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
on
this,
but
part
of
the
the
constraint
we
have.
Is
this
requirement
that
six
months
after
the
federal
population
census
is
released,
we
have
these
things
we
need
to
do.
Would
you
would
you
agree
with
that?
P
O
G
Okay,
so
do
you
do
you
feel
like
I?
As
you
know,
some.
G
P
But
in
2014
there
were
some
changes
made
to
the
legislation
and
it
removed
the
delay
of
the
primary
later
in
the
summer
in
an
even
numbered
year
after
a
decennial
census.
That's
the
first
thing.
The
second
thing
is
the
primary
is
now
moved
earlier
in
the
summer,
so
now
we're
looking
at
the
may
24th
2022
date
for
the
primary,
and
that
was
done
so
that
we
could
have
45
days
before
a
primary
and
a
runoff
for
the
military
voters.
P
B
T
One
more
thing
to
say
about
president
gerrymandering:
the
another
reason
why
we're
like
I'm
commenting
against
and
so
heavily
against
prison
dream
mandarin
is
because,
when
these
people,
when
prisoners
are
taken
out
of
their
communities
and
put
into
prisons
or
into
incarceration
that
technically
also
punishes
the
neighbors
or
or
residents
of
that
community
in
terms
of
representation,
because
they
were
previously
somebody's
family
member,
they
were
they're
still
somebody's
family
member
and
because
they
are
removed
from
that
from
that
community
or
removed
from
it.
T
T
That's
what
I
I'd
like
to
to
bring
that
bring
up
regarding
why
prison
gerrymandering
is
probably
something
that
we
should
probably
avoid
and
count
those
people
as
residents
of
the
community
as
far
as
redistricting
is
concerned,
even
if
the
census
will
will
still
count
them
as
domiciles
of
their
last
of
their
prisons
or
places
of
incarceration.
Thank
you
so
much.