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March 13, 2023
Rules Committee Meeting
A
A
D
You
so
if
I
can
just
direct
the
committee
to
the
Draft
rules
that
are
appended
to
the
resolution,
I
think
you'll
find
that
these
are
a
significant
departure
from
what
you've
seen
in
the
past.
D
So
I
want
to
point
out
some
obvious
edits
that
need
to
be
made.
These
were
not
a
final
cut,
so
under
section
one
it
should
be
the
2324
term
and
by
the
way,
I
just
point
this
out
for
you
in
case
you
had
things
you
were
going
to
say
about
it.
Just
take
it
off
your
plate.
D
In
the
second
paragraph
on
the
section
two
two
third
sentence
rule
is
rules
in
the
third
footnote
on
page
one,
the
council
president
has
asked
me
to
Define
committee,
as
the
I
beg
your
pardon
as
a
quorum
of
a
committee.
As
a
simple
majority
of
the
members
on
the
committee
on
page
two
item,
C
last
sentence:
District
should
be
Ward.
D
I
had
developed
these
with
other
councils
in
mind
and,
as
you
know,
we
have
39
cities
and
towns,
but
only
Seven,
Cities
so,
and
some
running
districts
some
run
Awards.
So
in
any
event,
next
change
on
page
two
at
the
bottom
of
the
page,
the
paragraph
that
says
docket
generally,
it
refers
to
an
exhibit
a
in
another
section.
In
the
rules
we
refer
to
an
exhibit
B.
D
Those
are
essentially
the
agendas
for
the
meetings
and
those
are
developed
by
the
clerk's
office,
so
the
clerk
would
have
to
provide
whatever
version
they
want
as
the
exhibits
for
the
rules.
But
my
recommendation
is
rather
than
put
the
order
of
an
agenda
in
the
rules
just
depend
the
exhibits
that
are
used
for
the
Committees
and
append
the
exhibit
that's
used
for
the
council
as
a
general
course
of
business.
D
In
addition
to
which
one
of
the
changes
that
I
would
recommend
to
the
regular
docket
for
the
council,
there
is
an
item
toward
the
end
of
the
agenda
that
talks
about
something
about
items
on
the
clerk's
desk.
That
is
a
misnomer
in
a
unicameral
legislature.
That
is
a
heading
used
for
bicameral
legislatures
I.
Don't
know
how
it
got
there,
I
didn't
do
it,
but
it
should
not
be
there.
It
is
a
misnomer.
It
should
not
be
used.
There
is
no
desk
in
a
unicameral
legislature.
D
You
either
have
present
business
or
you
have
business
carried
over
and
we've
accounted
for
those
in
the
agenda.
The
other
change
on
page
two
is
footnote.
Four
second
sentence:
there's
a
comma
missing
after
voting.
These
are
all
changes
that
have
either
been
pointed
out
to
me
or
that
I'm
recommending
myself
and
they're
just
grammatical
issues,
page
three
at
the
top
of
the
page.
There's
a
missing
word
before
the
word
available
in
the
third
to
the
last
sentence.
D
Next
paragraph
last
sentence
where
it
says,
if
applicable,
there's
punctuation
missing
at
the
end
of
that
that's
been
taken
care
of.
D
D
Page
four,
under
Section
forward
talks
about
standing
committees
generally
similar
to
What's
Done
in
the
council
as
a
whole
talks
about
what
happens
if
the
chair
is
not
present
and
I'd
been
requested
to
add
a
sentence
talking
about
if
the
vice
is
absent
than
a
majority
of
the
committee,
then
present
would
vote
for
that
particular
meeting
to
elect
a
chair.
Among
those
committee,
members
present.
D
Fifth,
paragraph
down
on
that
page
first
sentence:
the
letter
a
is
missing
before
the
word
member
case.
You
had
picked
that
up,
I
figured
I'd,
save
you
some
time
on
page
five
in
the
middle
of
the
page,
The
Heading
committee
dockets,
and
that
first
sentence,
the
word
dockets
should
be
capitalized.
We
took
care
of
that
and
again
in
that
paragraph,
there's
a
reference
to
the
exhibit
B.
Those
exhibit
B's
are
essentially
each
of
the
standing
committee
dockets
samples
of
which
should
be
provided
by
the
clerk,
as
your
overall
exhibit
B.
D
D
In
the
last
paragraph
on
that
page,
what's
sentenced
down
its
considerations,
that
of
their
consideration.
D
Fourth
sentence
down
after
Clerk
and
before
contract,
the
contractor
engaged
to
provide
Media
Services.
D
Page
seven
under
motions
item
number:
two
where
it
says
the
following
motion
should
be
motions:
that's
been
taken
care
of.
D
Similarly,
on
page
eight,
the
First
full
paragraph
that
begins
subject,
the
president
may
call
instead
of
my
hand,
at
the
bottom
of
that
page
last
paragraph
where
it
talks
about
recusals.
D
Second,
full
sentence
from
the
bottom
requires
the
recusing
council
member,
not
members,
so
to
be
the
recusing
council
member.
So
two
changes
in
that
sentence
under
miscellaneous
on
page
nine,
where
it
talks
about
Robert's
Rules
of
Order,
oh
I
decided
to
make
an
edit
and
decided
against
it
never
mind.
Last
paragraph
sponsors
of
the
legislation
or
responses
of
legislation
is
the
title
of
the
paragraph
last
paragraph,
any
council,
member
May
request
of
the
president
missing
word
and
that's
what
I
had
for
grammatical
changes.
D
So
if
people
have
others
I'm
I'm
happy
to
happy
to
help
with
those
there
was
one
item.
D
I
wanted
to
come
back
to
on
page
three,
where
it
talks
about
obligation
of
council
members
for
docket
content
is
a
missing
word
in
the
second
sentence
before
the
word
docket
we'll
insert
that
there
was
also
a
question
raised
to
the
president
to
me
concerning
it
is
a
sentence
that
reads
as
follows:
questions
and
concerns
should
be
addressed
to
the
president
or
his
or
her
designee
on
a
particular
subject,
during
normal
business
hours
of
the
days
leading
up
to
a
meeting
date
at
the
risk
of
having
a
misunderstanding
that
someone's
trying
to
initiate
a
rolling
Quorum.
D
That's
not
what
it
means
so
I'll
clarify
that
sentence
to
indicate
concerns
about
non-substances
of
non-substantive
or
non-dispositive
items,
not
encouraging
you
to
have
a
problem
with
the
open
meetings
act.
In
any
event,
the
open
meetings
act
would
control.
D
It's
assumed,
you'll,
follow
that
and
that's
all
I
have
thank
you,
madam
chair
and
I'll
be
available
to
answer.
Whatever
the
questions
the
committee
has.
A
Thank
you
so
much
to
the
clerk.
We
can.
Please
put
it
on
the
record
that
we
have
council
member
John
Donegan
present
with
us
this
evening.
E
Thank
you
to
the
chair.
How
are
we
going
to
proceed
from
here?
Do
we
if
we
have
amendments
to
this,
do
we
just
propose
them
now
and
then
vote
on
them,
or
do
you
prefer
a
different
way
to
handle
these
or
go
one
by
one.
A
A
Right,
well,
we
don't
want
that
so
I
have
no
problems,
taking
it
as
an
entire
Amendment.
Given
the
fact
that
the
legal
counsel
that
you
know
Angel
has
already
provided
us
with
the
suggested
and
recommended
changes
to
to
the
rules,
unless
anybody
has
any
objection
at
all
on
that.
E
No
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna
have
more
my
questions.
I
have
more
amendments.
I
have
to
make
so
I'm
happy
to
propose
what
soliciting
angel
said
as
a
block.
That
was
perfectly
I'll,
make
a
motion
to
propose
all
the
Amendments
as
soliciting
Angel
proposed
to
the
rules
and
hear
them
as
a
walk
or
whatever
there's
a
block.
E
To
amendment
I
have
a
motion
to
amend
the
the
rules
I.
F
E
E
I
might
probably
have
a
flaw
for
a
little
bit,
so
if
there's
anybody
else
that
has
any
edits,
I'll
defer,
if
not
I'll,
just
start
going
down
the
list
go
ahead.
Thank
you
all
right.
So
first
question
I
have
is,
on
page
two
d,
decide
the
docketed
items
of
business
to
be
brought
to
the
council,
where
such
determination
is
not
otherwise
made
by
law,
Charter
or
ordinance.
I
just
wanted
some
clarification
on
that
I
know.
This
is
under
the
presiding
officer.
E
Duties
I
want
to
make
sure
that
if
these
rules
are
approved,
if
somebody
has
a
council
member
communication
or
something
like
that
that
it's
going
to
get
on
the
docket
that
it
wouldn't
be
edited
or
not
put
on
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
my
that's
my
concern
with
the
wording
there
I'm
not
totally
opposed
to
the
wording.
That's
here,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
setting
up.
D
Would
defer
to
the
president
as
a
matter
of
policy?
You
know
it's
really
the
presiding
officer,
I
guess
we
can
start
with
the
council
as
a
whole,
but
the
presiding
officer
has
you
know,
I
see
what
you
guys
so
you're
talking
about
the
the
regular
monthly
agenda,
yeah.
E
My
question
is
just
more
towards
that:
if
we're
going
to
have
the
council
meeting-
and
we
put
something
in
as
business
or
either
business
new
business
or
Council
of
communication,
I
just
have
concern
and
I'm
not
saying
that
the
president
wouldn't
do
this
at
all.
This
is
all
these
are
all
the
rules
just
want
to
get
clarification
on
that
moving
forward.
C
No
I
prefer
to
leave
it
as
it
is
a
safety
net,
but
you
know
to
your
point:
I'm
not
going
to
be
an
obstructionist
in
any
way
so.
A
Okay,
well,
if
I
can
add
to
that
I
know
in
my
time
so
far
being
on
the
council.
There's
never
been
a
problem
at
all
with
any
of
the
council
presidents
that
I've
encountered
in
terms
of
adding
any
items
under
Council,
Communications
whatsoever.
I.
Think
that's
one
of
the
good
things
that
we've
had
when
I
compare.
If
this
is
where
you're
trying
to
get
at
right
and
I've
seen
other
cities
in
towns
where
it's
like,
if
it's
the
council
president
doesn't
allow
it,
then
it's
not
happening.
A
I
think
we
all
you
know
are
grown
adults
to
be
able
to
at
least
be
able
to
add
an
item
into
the
agenda.
E
E
C
Just
one
other
point,
I
think
that
this
is
useful
too,
for
example,
I
give
an
example
of.
Let's
say
you
have
multiple
council
members
putting
on
the
same
item
of
communication.
There's
some
overlap
in
something
and,
as
we
know,
we're
pressed
with
time
deadlines
of
the
clerk
post
and
the
agenda,
something
as
innocent
as
that.
G
We
might
not
want
overlap,
so
is
it
perhaps
a
compromise
could
be
made
to
somehow
verbalize
that
at
the
discretion
of
the
president,
if
there
is
overlap,
you
know
she
can
at
her
discretion,
modify
that
I
think
that's
very
different
than
not
allowing
something
on
the
docket.
It's
just
my
opinion.
Thank
you.
A
F
D
Sure,
if
you,
if
you
want
to
make
sure
that
a
council
member
is
right
to
put
on
Communications,
is
preserved,
part
of
the
thought
I
can
tell
you
the
thought
behind.
This
is
not
to
Aid
the
president
or
presiding
officer
who
choose
to
be
an
exclusionist,
but
rather
to
Eid
the
provide
the
presiding
officer
when
it
comes
to
a
night.
For
example,
let's
assume
that
you
had
a
night
where
you
could
find
yourself
hearing
three
zone
change.
D
Petitions,
council,
president,
might
say
we
have
to
hear
all
three
because
by
law,
the
timing
is
such
that
we
have
to
hear
all
three
but
we're
moving
all
the
other
business
to
another
night.
Just
because
it's
a
regular
night
doesn't
mean
we're
going
to
sit
here
until
one
in
the
morning.
So
that's
that
that's
part
of
it
too.
I
also
know
that
there
have
been
some
duplicative
council
member
communication
items
in
the
two
years
that
I've
been
here
before
now.
D
You
know,
and
also
there
was
a
there-
was
some
discussion
or
thought
behind
what
I
had
proposed
here.
You
know
there
are
some
items
that
are
better
suited
before
committees.
You
know
candidly
that
adds
a
lot
of
time
at
the
end
of
at
the
end
of
a
docket
so
as
to
Communications
themselves.
You
know
that's
really
a
policy
decision
for
the
for
the
council
and
the
committee
as
a
whole,
but
this
does
give
the
council
president
or
the
presiding
officer
the
ability
to
move
the
docket
around
and
to
split
it.
E
To
speed
things
up,
what
I'll
do
is
I'll,
withdraw
my
emotion
on
this
and
I'll
withhold
to
the
full
Council,
because
I
think
we
can
come
up
with
a
compromise
on
this
to
protect
the
council
member
Communications,
not
that
we
need
to
I'm
not
saying
we're
going
to
do
anything
different,
but
and
this
one,
if
we
can't
come
to
a
compromise,
I'm
happy
to
withdraw
it
for
now,.
A
All
right,
so
then
we
can
withdraw
the
second.
My
councilman
compobiano
is
that
good.
D
Bit
Madam
chair
in
order
he
doesn't
have
to
withdraw.
A
second
is
if
the
motion
is
withdrawn.
The
second
dies
hit
you
up
pleasure
if
it's
okay
with
the
committee
and
you
don't
need
to
take
a
vote
on
this
I-
can
Redline
some
language
here
so
that
whatever
changes
come
out
of
here
tonight
and
go
to
the
full
Council,
you
can
simply
make
those
changes.
They
won't
show
up
in
red,
but
the
proposed
language
would
show
up
in
red
with
respect
to
item
D.
If
that's
what
the
committee
would
like
to
do,.
A
E
I'll
just
make
motions
to
speed
things
up,
and
then
we
can
discuss
I
like
to
make
a
motion
to
remove
e,
because
I
think
chart
of
section
3.07
covers
it,
and
that
was
page.
Nine
of
the
the
old
rules
had
it
listed
in
there.
B
A
E
And
I
think
the
3.07
also
has
the
language
that
the
charter
has
well,
it
is
a
charter,
so
it
has
a
language
about
three
council
members
can
call
a
meeting
at
any
time,
so
it's
kind
of
yeah
they
conflict
a
little
bit.
Not
though
not
all
the
language,
but
some
of
it,
which
item
is
that
item
e
on
page
two.
A
E
I
think
three
members
of
the
council
can
call
a
meeting,
but
I
know
the
mayor
can
call
a
meeting
too
so
I
just
didn't
want
this
to
be
conflicted
with
the
charter,
if
possible,.
D
E
Councilmember
Noggin
wrote
his
hand
up
where
I
ain't,
my
colleagues
and
then
I
might
without
emotion.
Thank.
F
You
chairwoman
Council
vice
president
I
I,
understand
councilman,
Paul,
vasquez's
intent
and
looking
at
the
charter.
The
the
one
thing
that
I
would
based
on
my
understanding
of
the
charter.
You're
correct.
It
does
allow
for
three
members
to
call
for
an
emergency
meeting,
but
that
doesn't
allow
for
the
the
presiding
officer
of
that
committee
to
call
for
a
meeting
which
this
this
rule
change
would
allow.
A
G
Just
have
a
question
on
H
of
page
two
of
a
nine
regarding
the
appointments
to
boards.
I
just
wanted
some
more
clarification,
because
this
is
already
is
this
after
the
ordinances
and
the
charter
Provisions
that
allow
us
to
have
appointees
to
boards.
This
is
after
that
correct,
not
in
place
of
any
of
that
attorney.
A
G
B
G
The
last
line
of
that
paragraph,
if
you
see
it
towards
the
bottom,
before
the
one
that
was
changed
to
be
indented
the
last
sentence,
such
participation
is
not
always
permitted.
However.
For
example,
the
public
is
not
permitted
to
participate
in
executive
session
matters,
which
is
obvious
and
should
stand
and
may
not
be
permitted
to
participate
in
a
workshop
meeting
of
the
council.
G
I
think
that
we
really
need
to
change
this
language.
A
little
bit
workshops
are
important
opportunities
for
the
public
to
to
work
with
us
on
things.
We
get
a
lot
of
valuable
information.
A
good
example
was,
you
know
the
public
input
we
took
for
arpa,
and
that
was
in
a
workshop,
so
I
just
I,
don't
think
in
the
spirit
of
transparency
that
we
want.
Anyone
to
think
and
I
know
it
says-
may
not
be
permitted.
I
I,
just
I'm
interested
in
what
my
colleagues
feel
about
that
language.
A
C
President,
but
thanks
I
know
as
a
constituent
before
my
years
on
Council,
the
city
council
participated
in
workshops,
for
example,
with
other
commissions
like
the
planned
commission,
and
the
public
was
not
invited
to
participate
and
there
are
sometimes
unique
circumstances
areas
that
are
you
know
of
issue
that
it's
important,
especially
when
you're
combining
the
city
council,
particularly
with
another
commission,
in
a
workshop
for
timeliness
issues
ETC
to
have
the
option,
depending
on
the
subject
where
you're
not
involving
the
public
in
participation.
C
D
D
You
know
it's
not
an
educational
seminar
for
them,
it's
for
the
boards
and
commissions
and
so
forth,
and
the
language
that's
here.
It
says
it
doesn't
say,
shall
not
it
just
says.
May
not
you
know
it
may
not
be
a
proper
subject
for
them.
Another
issue,
for
example,
I,
know
that
affordable
housing
is
going
to
continue
to
be
a
developing
issue
and
a
Hot
Topic,
and
there
may
be
times
where
you
need
to
hear
from
you
know
Planning
and
Zoning
in
the
administration
as
well.
As
you
know,
heaven
forbid
the
attorneys.
D
To
give
you
a
little
background
on
some
of
on
some
of
this
again,
that's
really
not
an
item.
You
know
that
you're
going
to
open
it
up
to
the
world.
We,
you
know
not
in
the
business
of
holding
educational
seminars
for
the
world,
but
I
do
think
it
does
give
the
chair
some
latitude
depending
upon
the
the
topic
at
hand,
and
that
was
my
thought
behind
it.
So.
A
G
Renzoli,
thank
you,
I
appreciate
that
clarification
and,
let's
see
on
why
I'm
really
here
for
for
one
very
specific
reason,
I
do
agree
with
a
lot
of
things
my
colleagues
are
presenting,
but
on
page
six
of
nine
under
debate,
the
second
paragraph,
the
last
line
in
committee,
only
committee
members
are
permitted
to
participate
in
debate.
G
G
Maybe
you
don't,
but
if
my
ideas
are
bad,
then
no
one
should
really
have
a
problem
with
me
saying
them
out
loud,
because
no
one
will
vote
for
them
and
no
one
will
care.
So
I
think
that
you
know.
We
really
need
to
consider
this,
because
if,
if
we
have
to
get
up
and
just
go,
go
speak
with
the
public
every
time.
I
really
don't
think
that's
fair
and
we
didn't
do
that
before
I.
G
Don't
think
anyone
wants
that
happening
going
forward
and
a
prime
example
would
be
with
the
budget
because
the
budget
is
we
go
through
the
budget
where
we
ask
questions
to
the
directors
as
special
finance
committee
meetings.
So
that
means,
if
you're,
not
a
member
of
Finance,
you
won't
be
able
to
ask
any
questions.
G
Do
we
not
have
anything
to
offer
because,
as
a
Citywide
council
person,
I'm
representing
you
know,
as
far
as
the
votes
went,
I
went
Madam
president
councilman
Ferry
and
myself
I
got
more
votes
than
everybody
else
on
the
council
and
I
represent
those
people
and
should
be
able
to
speak
I.
Think
that
upon
thinking
about
it,
you
all
will
agree.
Thank
you.
D
Yeah
the
the
thought
behind
this
was
not
to
preclude
anyone
from
speaking.
The
thought
here
is
one
of
parliamentary
procedure.
When
there's
a
motion
on
the
floor
of
the
committee
or
the
council,
the
debate
occurs
among
that
group.
So,
if
it's
before
the
council,
it's
among
the
group
of
nine,
if
it
is
before
the
committee,
the
debate
on
the
motion,
whatever
the
motion
is
pending
at
the
time
of
the
vote,
is
among
the
committee
members.
It
does
not
preclude
a
council
person
from
speaking
at
the
meeting
or
being
recognized
to
speak
at
all.
D
That's
that's
not
the
point
of,
nor
is
it
the
way
that
this
is
written.
So
I
I
understand
councilwoman
renzuri's
concerns,
but
this
would
not
preclude
a
council
person
from
speaking
on
a
topic
in
committee.
If,
even
if
they're,
not
a
member
of
the
committee.
G
So
my
question
solicitor-
thank
you
for
explaining.
That
is
that
what
what
does
when
does
debate
occur
because
I
to
my
understanding,
someone
makes
a
motion
someone
seconds
it.
Someone
says
virgin
discussion
and
then
we
discuss
is
that
when
someone
would
be
able
to
speak,
it
doesn't
matter.
If,
obviously
the
committee
members
should
speak
first,
maybe
there's
time
limits
and
obviously
we've
been
practicing.
Everybody
speaks
first.
Everyone
speaks
once,
however,
you
want
to
do
it.
That's
fine
I'm,
just
trying
to
understand
what
you
mean
by
debate,
because
even
in.
D
I'm
talking
about
debate
in
the
context
of
the
Motions
emotion
is
a
second
and
then
there's
debate
on
the
actual
motion.
These
rules
give
latitude
to
committee
Chairs
into
the
president,
or
vice
president,
whoever
runs
an
actual
council
meeting.
The
presiding
officer
can
open
the
question
up
for
a
general
discussion.
It
doesn't
mean
you're
debating
on
the
motion.
Discussion
on
emotion
is
really
debate.
D
Okay,
that's
what
it
is
you're
debating.
The
merits
of
them
of
the
motion
doesn't
mean
you
can
at
that
point
in
time.
You
should
not
be
taking
testimony
from
the
public.
You
should
not
be
taking
of
the
testimony.
You
know
you,
you
know
at
the
committee
or
the
council
has
heard
from
The
World
At
Large,
and
then
it's
for
people
on
this
side
of
the
rail
at
that
point,
to
have
a
motion
a
second
in
to
debate
the
merits
of
the
motion.
D
What
has
happened
often
is
that
groups
have
conflated
the
word
discussion
in
debate
and
they
have
allowed
the
public
to
get
up
and
down
at
will
to
allow
Council
people
to
actually
physically
participate
in
the
debate
on
an
amendment
to
emotion
when
those
Council
people
have
not
been
members
of
the
committee,
and
that
has
happened
in
the
last
two
years
and
I
have
pointed
that
out
to
committee
chairs
in
to
the
in
into
the
leadership.
D
It's
not
appropriate
that
when
you,
when
there's
a
motion
proper
on
the
floor,
that's
been
seconded
and
it
is
up
for
discussion
as
to
the
passage
of
that
motion.
If
you're
not
on
the
committee.
No,
you
may
not
participate
in
the
debate.
That's
Robert's,
Rules
of
Order
101.
E
Yeah
I'll
make
a
motion
within
committee.
Only
committee
members
are
permitted
to
participate
in
debate.
That's
in
page
six
of
nine
under
debate,
motions
and
voting
and
under
discussion.
I'll
preface
my
motion
with
well
actually
I
get
a
second
first,
never
mind
second
I'll
preface
the
reason
I
did.
That
is
because
there
are
times
that
things
come
up.
You
know
where
there
might
be
an
ordinance
change
and
that
affects
War,
five
and
I'm,
not
on
the
ordinance
committee
and
we've
always
allowed
other
members
of
this
body
to
participate
and
debate.
E
Always
the
committee
members
were
allowed
to
speak
first
and
then
usually
the
non-committee
member
will
speak
once
or
at
least
be
able
to
put
their
two
cents
in
I
mean
we're
elected,
so
I
will
make
that
motion
and
I
don't
think
it's
needed.
Only
nine
of
us.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you,
I,
don't
have
an
issue
with
it.
The
way
that
it
is
because
it's
not
saying
the
council
members
who
are
not
on
a
committee
cannot
have
you
know,
discussion
their
thoughts
on
the
particular
topic
and,
most
importantly,
the
prior
rules
committing
the
prior
session.
Never
did
put
forth
any
type
of
rules
for
us,
so
we
were
operating
under
Robert's
Rules,
so
we
were
technically
operating
under
this
rule
previously.
So
there
is
no
change,
it's
simply
codifying
what
was
already
the
rule
previously.
E
To
the
chair
yep
on
Inauguration,
not
this
past
101
a
few
years
ago,
I
know
the
rules
committee
never
met,
but
the
motion
that
was
made
on
the
floor
was
to
follow
the
2019-20-21
rules.
Until
new
rules
were
put
in
place,
you
go
back
and
watch
the
video,
so
we
were
operating
under
Council
rules
and
I,
don't
even
believe
they
were
addressed
in
there.
E
To
be
honest
with
you,
because
I
never
said
that
a
Committee
Member
couldn't
speak
once
the
we
have
debate,
I
mean
you
really
don't
speak
on
anything
until
there's
a
motion
in
a
second
on
the
floor.
So
that's
that's
my
issue
here
is:
if
you
have
a
motion
to
suck
on
the
floor,
we
now
have
discussion.
So,
if
you're
not
so
when
I
come
to
a
meeting
and
I'm
not
in
the
committee,
I
should
just
sit
out
there
and
speak
under
public
comment
which
we've
never
done
before
so
I.
F
Thank
you,
chairwoman.
Vice
president
I
am
I'm
going
to
vote
in
favor
of
changing
this
I.
F
Would
if
we
were
if
we
were
the
the
general
assembly
or
a
larger
legislative
body-
and
there
were
you
know,
not
nine
of
us
I
would
understand.
The
I
would
be
more
sympathetic
to
needing
to
limit
the
debate
or
discussion
to
just
members
of
the
committee.
But
given
that
there's
only
nine
of
us,
it's
a
fairly
small
body
to
to
begin
with
overall
I
think
councilman
Pablo
ask
us
his
point
about.
F
You
know
if
it's
an
ordinance
that
will
specifically
impact
you
know
the
community
that
that
you
or
or
they
represent
that's
a
good
point
and-
and
you
know
what,
if
you're
the
sponsor
of
something
but
you're,
not
a
member
of
that
committee,
so
I,
I,
I,
don't
I,
certainly
don't
ever
foresee,
and
and
not
that
I.
F
Don't
I
know
that
you
know
councilwoman
or
council
president
Mourinho
or
Council
vice
president
Vargas
or
any
of
the
other
chairs
of
the
body
certainly
are
are
Advocates
of
of
a
healthy
debate
on
all
on
all
issues.
So
I
don't
think
that
in
any
way
are
they
trying
to
to
limit
that?
I
will
point
out,
though,
that
I
I
was
cut
off.
F
Last
term,
from
participating
in
a
debate
when
I
was
not
a
member
of
the
committee
in
what
was
an
embarrassing,
quite
embarrassing,
meeting
of
one
of
the
Committees
but
I'll
be
in
I'll,
be
voting
in
favor
of
this
change.
C
Yes,
councilman
Don
again,
I
recall
that,
specifically
too,
that
was
Safety
Services
and
that
was
under
councilman
Renzulli.
Who
specifically
did
not
allow
you
to
speak
as
you
were.
Not
a
Committee
Member,
but
I
do
want
at
some
point
if
I
could
refer
to
legal
counsel
as
to
what
rules
we
were
operating
under
in
the
prior
term,
because
it
seems
to
be
some
discrepancy.
D
G
I,
don't
have
that
in
front
of
me
right
now,
but
I
believe
to
my
recollection,
councilman
Donegan
needed
to
speak
first
because
he
needed
to
be
somewhere.
So
that's
how
I
remember
it.
However,
in
every
occasion
and
every
meeting
we've
had,
we
have
spoke
back
and
forth
with
each
other
I
go
you
go
I,
go
you
go.
We
talk
all
the
time.
I
just
want
to
get
to
speak.
I
think
that
more
of
us
should
be
speaking
and
having
intelligent
conversation
that
we
have
all
the
time
A
lot
of
times
agreeing
with
each
other.
G
This
should
not
be
one
team
versus
the
other,
and
it's
only
leaving
a
couple
people
out
at
every
meeting,
because
we
are
so
small
and
as
far
as
I
understand
it
under
this
speaker
in
the
general
assembly,
they
are
encouraged
to
go
to
committee
meetings,
they're
not
on
and
speak
from
their
chairs,
not
with
the
public,
because
I
checked
before
I
came
here.
I
did
see
in
another
part
of
this
we're
supposed
to
do
our
homework
before
we
get
here.
Okay.
G
So
this
was
a
literal
like
genuine
comment
because
I
don't
whether
anyone
gets
silence
here
or
not,
the
internet
is
free
and
we
can
go
on
there
and
talk
or
on
channel
10
or
on
talk
radio.
But
that's
not
the
point
of
this
conversation.
The
point
is
to
do
this
together
in
meetings
and
I
swear
on
my
children.
That's
all
I'm
trying
to
do.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
I'll
say
that
you
know
I'm
in
in
committee.
As
it
reads
right
now.
It's
in
committee
only
committee
members
are
permitted
to
participate
in
the
debate
and
I
have
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
when
I'm,
not
in
a
committee.
I
think
we
all
have
during
budget
season
right,
because
asking
questions
and
I
don't
know.
If
that's
considered
a
workshop,
I
would
say
it's
considered
a
committee
meeting.
A
You
know:
I
I
have
no
problem
having
anyone
within
the
council.
Members
speak
within
a
committee.
Maybe
perhaps
we
can
have
everyone
like
we
normally
or
the
protocol
somewhat
has
been,
whereas
we
all
on
the
committee
speak
first
and
once
we
have
all
spoken,
then
those
that
are
not
on
the
committee
speak.
Second
I'm
not
speak
second,
but
speak
followed
after
everyone
has
spoken.
However,
I
think
we
should
also
participate
in
any
possible.
You
know.
A
Debates
as
well,
and
I
can
also
say
that
I,
don't
think
I've
ever
personally
have
ever
discouraged.
Anyone
from
not
speaking
at
all
and
I
think
we
should
all
be
allowed
to
participate.
In
a
conversation.
However,
because
if
we
have
a
Robert's
Rule
in
the
Robert's,
Rule
of
Order
is
telling
us
that
we
can't
participate,
because
you
have
to
be
a
committee,
then
I
would
have
to
respect
that
and
follow
that,
but
I,
but
I
think
that
it
definitely
has
been
done
in
the
past.
A
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
based
on
who
the
chair
is
and
how
the
person
probably
feels
that
day,
whether
or
not
they're
going
to
allow
the
person
to
speak
that
day
or
they're,
not
gonna.
The
other
person
speak
that
or
if
the
person
probably
feels
that
you
know
this
particular
ordinance.
That's
coming
before
us
is
something
that
they
support
or
don't
support
or
have
the
votes
who
don't
have
the
votes
or
think
they
have
the
bullets
or
so
forth.
A
So
but
I
I
think
everyone
should
be
allowed
to
participate
and
I'll
Echo.
What
council
member
Don
again
said
right?
We
have
we're
nine
members
and
you
know
we
we
we're
not
the
general
assembly
on
the
house
where
there's
you
know
more
than
50.
that
that's
that's
my
take
on
here.
So
what
don't
we?
Why?
Don't?
You
repeat
what
the
motion
again
is:
councilman
papelasquez
and
then
we
can
have
the
clerk
do.
E
It
was
to
eliminate
the
last
sentence
in
the
paragraph
second,
from
the
I
see
it
bottom.
A
Actually,
before
we
we
move
on
to
having
the
clerk
do
a
a
role
on
this
to
the
solicitor.
Does
it
make
sense
at
all?
If
we
were
to
does
it?
Is
it
the
same
thing
if
we
were
to
say
we're
going
to
remove
it,
whereas
we're
gonna
just
leave
it
and
say,
while
committee
members
are
participated,
to
are
permitted
to
participate
in
a
debate.
D
E
A
C
Yeah,
no
thanks,
yeah,
no,
no
one's,
no
one
at
all
is
looking
to
be
silenced
or
anything
like
that.
Like
I
said,
everyone
is
going
to
be
able
to
speak
that
this
doesn't
say
you
can't
speak
on
an
issue.
It
was
just
in
terms
of
when
it's
then
before
the
committee
having
committee
members,
Do
It,
but
perhaps
and
I
defer
to
attorney
angel.
C
E
A
Listen,
that's
what
I'm
doing
tonight.
It's
a
rules
committee
right!
We
have
members
who
are
not
on
this
committee
this
evening,
and
this
is
what
it's
about,
participating
and
making
sure
that
all
our
voices
get
heard
and
I'm
very
fair
when
it
comes
out.
I
will
be
very
fair
when
it
comes
down
to
that
whether
this
passes-
or
it
doesn't
pass
this
evening
or
before
the
full
Council
so
I
think
the
matter
is
we
leave
it
up
to
the
discretion
of
the
chair.
A
Then
it's
not
fair
to
the
committee
members
that
are
sitting
in
that
committee.
That
may
not
be
able
to
speak
at
that
point.
However,
if
the
matter
comes
before
us
in
full
Council,
you
can
then
speak
then,
but
I
think
participation
amongst
all
of
us
is
extremely
important
and
I.
Think
that's
the
reason
why
we're
all
here,
constituent
School
District
Buddhism
food,
is
Us
in,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
able
to
provide
our
thoughts
and
opinions
on
matters
that
are
coming
before
us
at
any
committee
meeting
or
before
the
full
Council.
F
A
C
To
president
Mourinho
I
just
like
to
make
a
motion
to
amend,
to
add
to
that
last
that
same
paragraph
on
after
personalities
period
to
add
in
committee,
comma
committee,
members
are
permitted
to
speak
before
non-committee
members.
Second,.
B
B
C
G
Thank
you.
This
is
just
a
question
as
to
language
page,
eight
of
nine,
under
reconsideration
of
a
vote
I
just
want
to
bring
forward
the
idea,
because
I
can't
amend
anything
where
it
says.
When
a
vote
has
passed,
it
shall
be
in
order
for
any
member
voting
with
the
majority
to
move
a
reconsideration
thereof
at
the
same
meeting
goes
on.
I
think
prevailing
side
versus
majority
might
be
language
that
I've
seen
in
Prior
rules.
I
may
be
incorrect.
I
just
wanted
to
bring
it
forward.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
and
this
might
have
been
addressed,
solicitoring
Angel,
when
you
were
going
through
your
edits
and
if
it
was
I
apologize
on
page
four
of
nine
understanding
committees
generally,
the
second
paragraph
down
the
third
paragraph
on
the
page,
but
the
second
paragraph
down
this
is
each
committee
shall
see
five
members
I
would
like
to
make
an
amendment.
Each
committee
shall
seat
five
or
seven
members,
because
I
know
it
depends
on
some
of
the
Committees
right
councilman.
E
Absolutely
page
four
standing
committees
generally,
which
is
the
first
or
second
bullet
point
down
it's
a
third
paragraph
down
on
the
page
where
it
says
five
members
I
was
wondering
if
we
should
change
that
to
seven,
because
I
think
some
of
the
Committees
have
seven
just
so
it
doesn't
conflict.
Five
or
seven
members.
A
F
F
I'm,
just
thinking
about
the
the
end
of
that
the
end
of
that
sentence
with
two
members
of
the
minority
party
Seated
on
each
committee.
Obviously
I
support
that
did
did
the
last
rules
and
and
I
apologize
for
not
having
it
in
front
of
me
did
they
mend?
Did
it
specify,
obviously
that
if
there
are
not
two
members
of
that
standing,
you
know
up
not
to
members
of
that
party.
That
I
mean
it's
self-explanatory,
but
I
think
there
was
explicit
language
in
the
last
rules.
That
said,.
E
Yeah
I
think
it
I
might
have
specified
like
yeah
as
long
as
there
are
two
members
are
because
you'd
have
to
have
a
member
of
the
minority
party
on
each
committee.
If
there
is
one
like
I
remember,
the
other
councilman
Jeff
Burrell
was
on
and
he
was
the
only
Republican
and
he
was
on
every
committee.
E
A
I
believe
it
was
I
I
believe
if,
if
my
memory
is
not
failing
me,
which
it
does
happen,
I
think
it
was
made
too
by
council
members
whether
it
might
have
been
Cycles
or
right
before
that
to
make
sure
that
there
was.
The
minority
party
had
always
two
members
on
each
committee,
so
that
might
have
been
changed
by
before
councilman
Don,
again
and
I
got
in
on
our
first
term
or
just
the
term
right
before
that.
F
E
What
I
have
it
right
here
chair
and
it
does
say
five
members
here
too
so,
but
this
says
the
standing.
This
is
the
old
rules
from
you
four
years
ago,.
E
20
19
to
2021
it
was
rule
17.
This
is
how
it
was
I'm
just
going
to
read
exactly
what
it
says
here.
The
standing
committees
shall
each
consist
of
five
members
of
the
council,
but
said
number
may
be
increased
at
the
discretion
of
the
council
president
at
least
two
members
of
such
standing
committees
shall
be
members
of
the
minority
party.
Unless
the
council
consists
of
less
than
two
members
of
the
minority
party,
the
president
of
the
council
shall
be
a
member
ex
officio
of
all
committees
shall
be
entitled
to
vote
on
all
matters.
E
F
E
E
I
have
a
I
have
a
question
for
a
solicitor
Angel,
and
maybe
Robert's
rules
addresses
this
solicitor
in
the
in
the
old
rules
there
was
rule,
26
can
talked
about
putting
something
on
the
table
and
then
after
three
months
it
falls
off
the
table.
If
no
action
is
taken
by
the
council,
do
we
need
to
insert
that
in
the
new?
No.
D
D
Tabling
things
is
a
very
dangerous
practice.
You
continue
it.
D
Otherwise
you
run
into
time
limits.
You
know,
I
mean
if
somebody
had
tabled
the
audit
report.
D
You
know
and
try
to
try
to
pick
those
pieces
up
off
the
floor,
so
I
mean
that's
the
the
modern
convenience
of
continuance
to
a
date.
Certain
is
is
a
better
approach.
That's
that's
my
considered
opinion,
not
just
with
this
group,
but
with
others
who
are
similarly
situated.
It
works
better,
it's
more
practical
and
if
you're
gonna
kill
it,
you
kill
it
if
you're
going
to
pass
it
pass
it.
If
you're
going
to
wait
for
information.
Well,
then
you
wait
for
information
if
it
comes
in
great
if
it
doesn't
make
a
decision
at
that
point,.
E
Under
motions
on
page
seven,
it
lays
out
what
takes
precedent
in
the
list
of
motions.
Some
motions
aren't
here
that
are
in
Robert's
rules.
Are
we
still
able
to
use
all
robots
rules.
D
D
E
A
F
E
A
question
these
will,
if
they
pass
tonight,
this
will
be
forwarded
to
the
full
Council
for
a
vote
at
the
end
of
the
month.
I
believe.
G
Guys,
that's
a
question
absolutely
thank
you.
If
these
get
forwarded
to
the
full
Council
and
someone
tries
to
make
some
kind
of
substantive
change,
so
I
have
to
go
back
to
the
rules
committee,
or
can
we
just
pass
them
there
at
the
council?
No.
G
D
G
A
A
B
E
Aye
no.