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Description
This summit, co-hosted by the City of Cupertino, is a "how-to" event for activists and local government agencies for developing policies that aim at preventing plastics from entering the environment. In this fourth installment, Emy Mendoza of the City of San Jose discusses key outreach tools for plastic bag reduction. Recorded February 23, 2011. (45 min.)
A
B
Have
all
my
props,
what
I'm
going
to
talk
about
mostly
is
I
was
looking
at
the
agenda.
Key
outreach
tools
for
plastic
bag
reduction
and
I
wanted
to
share
some
of
our
tactics.
A
lot
of
our
tactics
have
really
been
about
being
out
in
the
community
talking
to
as
many
people
as
possible
about
what
it
means
to
ban
plastic
bags.
What
is
behind
it
in
terms
of?
Why
is
the
city
looking
at
this
issue?
B
We
have
free
bags
that
we
give
out
to
the
community
into
every
neighborhood
association,
the
Lions
Clubs,
the
school,
the
kids
that
we
visit.
We
give
out
a
free
bag,
but
our
policy
is
that
we
never
give
somebody
a
bag
without
telling
them
why
we
are
looking
at
banning
plastic
bags.
So
it's
not
just
a
freebie,
it's
not
just
schwag,
they
have
to
listen
to
a
presentation,
and
then
we
give
them
a
bag,
and
also
you
give
somebody
a
free,
reusable
bag
and
they're
your
friend
forever.
B
It
was
passed
in
December
I've
been
getting
phone
calls
from
maybe
some
of
you,
but
from
people
from
as
far
away
as
Atlanta
and
mendocino
and
all
over.
So
people
are
excited
about
banning
plastic
bags.
So
let
me
just
get
started
because
there's
a
lot
to
cover.
The
first
thing
to
talk
about
is
what
the
ordinance
is
actually
going
to
do
it's
going
to
be
a
ban
on
plastic
bags
and
there
will
be
a
store
charge,
we're
really
careful
to
call
it
a
store
charge
on
paper
bags
of
ten
cents.
B
Paper
bags
have
to
be
at
least
forty
percent
recycled
content
and
the
store
has
to
charge
the
minimum
amount.
Is
ten
cents
if
a
store
wanted
to
charge
fifteen
cents
for
a
bag?
They
could
do
that,
but
they
have
to
charge
at
least
ten
cents,
and
we
call
it
a
store
charge
because
it
that
the
whole
amount
is
retained
by
the
store.
B
None
of
this
comes
back
to
the
city,
so
sometimes
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
about
prop
26
and
this
new
fee
and
does
prop
26
apply
to
this
to
this
this
fee
on
paper
bags,
and
our
response
to
that
is
that
this
is
a
tool
that
we're
using
or
the
the
fee
is
something
or
the
store
charge
is
something
that
is
going
to
dissuade
people
eventually
from
from
using
paper
bags
and
we'll
move
people
towards
reusable
bags
so
and
also
that
the
store
retains
the
whole
amount
that
none
of
it
is.
None
of.
B
This
is
creating
income
for
the
city.
So,
let's
see
also
in
San.
Jose
applies
to
all
retailers
and
we
have
another
year
or
it'll
go
into
effect
in
January
of
2012,
but
in
terms
of
how
this
whole
process
started,
I
wanted
to
just
mention
a
couple
of
key
things
in
2007
was
when
the
city
of
San
Francisco
banned
plastic
bags
in
2007
was
also
when
the
city
of
San
Jose
adopted
the
green
vision.
The
green
vision
was
the
mayor.
B
There
was
a
new
mayor
at
the
time,
Chuck
Reed,
and
he
you
put
out
ten
ten
ten
goals
for
economic
development
that
have
a
positive
environmental
impact.
Was
it's
a
big
statement
for
the
city
of
San
Jose?
We
there's
a
lot
of
excitement
about
it,
so
san
Francisco
has
banned
plastic
bags.
The
green
vision
has
come
out
and
then
councilmember
chu
and
a
couple
of
other
council
members
together
brought
the
issue
of
banning
plastic
bags
in
San.
B
Jose
brought
that
forward
in
early
two
thousand
eight,
and
that
was
when
they
called
some
people
from
my
department
from
environmental
services,
and
they
said
the
American
Chemistry
Council
is
here
the
California
grocers
Association
is
here.
We
would
like
you
to
come
up
to
a
meeting
right
now,
yep
right
now
and
start
meeting
and
meet
with
us
right
now
and
start
talking
about
this
issue,
and
then
we
would
like
for
you
to
continue
that
that
discussion
with
these
stakeholders,
so
the
American
Chemistry
Council,
California,
grocers
Association,
became
a
part
of
a
stakeholder
group.
B
Trish
and
other
environmental
representatives
also
joined
representatives
from
other
cities,
eventually
became
a
process
we're
all
pretty
much
every
other
week
we
met
and
sat
down
and
talked
through
the
issues
related
to
banning
plastic
bags.
We
were
learning
things
from
all
the
other
cities
that
were
looking
at
this
issue
from
San
Francisco
Oakland.
Then
there
was
a
lawsuit,
so
we
were
learning
about
everything
about
banning
plastic
bags
from
the
beginning
with
that
stakeholder
group
we
also
took.
We
also
did
also.
B
We
also
went
out
to
the
communities,
but
when
we
talk
about
the
stakeholder
process,
a
lot
of
it
does
focus
on
meeting
with
those
organizations
and
meeting
with
a
number
of
stakeholders
in
the
in
the
south
bay
I
wanted
to
just
give
a
shout
out
to
the
recycling
and
waste
reduction
Commission.
We
call
them
the
r
WRC.
They
are
an
advisory
group
to
the
board
of
supervisors.
They
are
another
body,
political
body
that
took
on
this
topic
and
was
it
has
been
looking
at
this
issue
for
the
whole
South
Bay.
B
So
all
of
the
cities
in
the
south
bay
are
looking
at
storm
water
issues
and
so
there's
a
reason
why
Palo
Alto
also
already
banned
plastic
bag
eggs.
So
the
r
WRC
is
another
body
that
has
been
involved
and
then,
after
about
a
year
and
more,
the
City
Council
finding
finally
gave
us
a
direction
and
told
us
to
go
ahead
and
develop
an
ordinance
to
ban
plastic
bags,
and
then
they
send
the
direction
at
that
time
was
figure
out
what
to
do
or
how
to
address
the
issue
of
paper
bags.
B
So
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
in
just
a
second.
These
slides
are
a
lot
of
the
slides
that
we
use
in
our
outreach
when
we're
talking
to
the
community-
and
we
start
talking
about
plastic
bags.
We
put
out
the
question:
where
do
all
these
bags
come
from,
that
we
use
to
carry
our
groceries
paper
bags?
B
The
United
States
14
million
trees
are
used
every
year
to
produce
those
bags,
and
plastic
bags
are
not
made
from
from
oil
they're
made
from
natural
gas,
but
if
you
took
all
of
the
natural
gas
that
was
used
to
make
plastic
bags
in
the
United,
States
would
be
the
equivalent
of
12
million
barrels
of
oil.
All
of
that
is
to
make
38
billion
bags
that
every
year
are
designed
for
for
being
used
once
hold
on
a
minute
being
used
once
for
an
average
of
about
12
minutes.
That's
the
time
it
takes
to
bag.
B
All
your
groceries,
get
them
into
the
car,
get
it
home
and
then,
after
afterwards,
lots
of
times
those
bags
are
reused
for
trash
can
liners,
for
example,
but-
and
this
is
where
I
always
have.
My
props
and
I
tell
I,
show
people
so
that
those
kinds
of
bags
are
designed
for
a
single
use.
These
bags
are
designed
for
multiple
uses.
B
When
our
grandparents
didn't
have
bags
and
our
grandparents
reused
items
over
and
over
again,
we
didn't
have
a
disposable
society
and-
and
we
do
now
and
I
think
the
current
economic
situation
makes
us
want
to
be
more
careful
about
how
we
use
our
resources
wanted
to
talk
about
this
slide
as
well.
This
is
another
one
that
we
show
to
people
that
gives
people
an
idea
of
how
much
energy
is
used
to
create
a
paper
bag
and
to
create
a
plastic
bag.
So
it's
in
BTUs,
british
thermal
units
or
jewels.
B
It's
the
amount
of
energy,
that's
used
to
create
these
products
and
gives
people
an
idea
of
some
equivalent
ideas
that
they
people
can
relate
to.
So
I
wanted
to
show
you
that
slide,
and
I've
shown
you
that
one.
So
I'm
also
I
work
in
integrated
waste
management
for
the
city
of
San
Jose
with
environmental
services,
so
we
are
also
looking
at
this
issue
from
the
point
of
view
from
the
recycling
point
of
view
and
in
San
Jose.
B
That
plastic
bags
are
an
item,
and
film
are
an
item
that
actually
gets
caught
in
the
machinery,
and
this
is
a
picture
of
some
of
that
machinery
that,
once
that
conveyor
belt
of
materials
has
gone
through
and
some
of
it
is
jammed
now
in
the
machinery
that
whole
conveyor
belt
has
to
stop
and
when
you
stop
a
work
line
like
that,
that
is
money
that
is
being
lost.
That
is
work
that
is
not
going
on,
because
these
machines
are
not
designed
for
this
kind
of
material.
The
other
picture.
B
That's
there
is
a
picture
of
plastic
bags
that
were
being
stockpiled
that,
in
the
end,
were
had
very
little
value
again.
The
economic
conditions
affect
me:
recovery
effect,
recycled
markets
as
well
or
recycled
materials
markets,
so
plastic
bags
are
are
not
an
easy
thing
to
recycle
for
all
kinds
of
reasons.
I'm
going
to
go
quickly
through
all
this,
because
there's
a
lot
to
cover,
impacts
on
watershed,
environmental
services,
overseas,
waste
management
and
also
watershed
division
is
a
part
of
environmental
services.
So
we
are
in
partnership.
B
We
work
in
partnership
with
our
watershed
folks
and
on
these
slides,
come
from
them.
I
tell
the
community
about
or
I
show
this
picture
to
the
community,
and
it
looks
like
a
lot
of
squiggly
lines
really,
but
this
is
a
picture
of
the
watershed
for
the
south
bay
and
I
talked
about
how
San
Jose
might
not
be
known
as
a
water.
Rich
neighborhood,
I
water,
rich
community,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
creeks
and
we
have
a
lot
of
rivers
a
lot
of
in
the
downtown
area.
B
The
guadalupe
river
area
is
full
of
trails
and
lots
of
access.
A
lot
of
money
has
gone
into
redevelopment
of
that
area,
so
it's
a
huge
there.
These
creeks
are
a
huge
asset
for
us,
but
I
also
tell
the
community
that
a
number
of
these
creeks
are
are
being
regulated
because
of
the
amounts
of
trash
that
are
being
found
in
these
creeks.
So
those
purple
lines,
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
see
them
in
the
in
the
slide
are
the
guadalupe
river,
coyote,
creek
and
Silver
Creek
in
San.
B
Jose
are
the
ones
that
are
declared
impaired
by
trash.
The
star
in
the
middle
is
the
downtown
area,
City
Hall
and
San
Jose
State.
This
is
an
up-close
picture
of
that.
So
on
one
side,
you'll
see
guadalupe
river.
On
the
other
side,
you'll
see
coyote
creek,
the
red
dots
are
the
outfalls.
That
is
the
places
where
the
storm
drains
empty
out
into
the
creeks
into
those
creeks,
and
then
these
are
the
storm
drains
in
that
area.
B
B
We
also
tell
the
community
about
other
commute
other
other
cities
that
have
already
taken
action
on
this
issue.
We
will
always
get.
We
will
always
get
somebody
who
raises
their
hand
and
says:
oh
yeah,
I
was
in
Germany
and
I
went
to
the
grocery
store
and
it
was
so
embarrassing.
I
was
the
only
person
in
the
store
that
didn't
have
my
own
bag
and
it's
like
yep
around
the
world.
This
issue
is
being
considered
and
in
fact
the
United
States
were
one
of
the
last
countries
to
to
take
action
on
this
issue.
B
So
on
the
one
side
is,
you
know
some
of
the
cities
that
have
taken
action
in
Washington
DC
and
on
the
other
side
in
California,
some
of
the
cities
that
have
also
taken
action
and
then
the
last
three,
the
ones
that
have
actually
done
an
e
ir
most
recently
in
the
last
couple
of
months.
This
is
a
slide
from
2009
that
shows
how
many
communities
have
been
looking
at
this
issue.
B
B
So
at
this
point
I
tell
the
community.
You
know
when
I
do
these
presentations,
everybody
comes
to
me
and
says
you're
right.
We
got
to
get
rid
of
plastic
bags.
You
know
what
I'm
going
to
do,
I'm
going
to
switch
to
paper
bags.
That's
the
solution
right
and
I
have
to
tell
them.
Actually
that
is
not
the
solution.
Paper
bags
have
an
environmental
impact
that
is
bigger
than
plastic
bags.
They
require
a
lot
of
trees
and
a
lot
of
energy
to
make
them.
So
no
that
is
not
the
solution
and
in
fact,
in
San
Jose.
B
What
we're
proposing
is
to
charged
ten
cents
for
a
paper
bag,
because
we
think
that
people
might
pay
that
the
first
time,
but
after
a
few
times
they
will
start
bringing
their
own
bag
and
people
nod
their
heads
at
that
people
say:
oh
yeah.
That
makes
sense
in
some
groups
when
this
issue
is
really
popular.
When
we're
talking
to
like
the
real
choir
like
people,
the
residents
who
are
really
into
this
issue
and
we've
we
put
up
the
the
question,
you
know
what
do
you?
B
What
is
the
amount
that
you
would
suggest
that
we
charge
as
part
of
the
stakeholder
process
we're
getting
input
from
people?
What
would
you
charge
charge
a
dollar
for
a
paper
bag
charya
make
it
hurt,
so
we
thought
that's.
That's!
Thank
you
for
that
input.
We
appreciate
your
letting
us
know
your
opinion,
so,
but
we
didn't
go
with
anything
that
high.
B
That
is
the
segue
into
the
whole
question
of
the
environmental
impact
report
an
or
the
e
ir
an
e
AR
summarizes
potential
impacts.
An
ER
is
generally
done
for
a
project
like
an
apartment,
building
being
built
or
a
new
freeway,
that's
being
installed.
So
doing
an
e
ir
for
a
plastic
bag
ordinance
is
not
the
usual
kind
of
thing
that
we
that
people
do
in
AI
r
4,
but
there
was
a
gentleman
who
was
suing
cities
on
the
basis
of
not
doing
an
e
ir
because
he
was
saying,
if
you
do.
B
If
you
take
action
just
on
plastic
bags-
and
you
don't
address
paper
bags
and
everybody
switches
over
to
paper
bags,
there
will
be
an
environmental
impact
from
all
that
increased
paper
bag
usage.
So
you
have
to
do
an
e
ir
to
describe
those
potential
impacts
and
unfortunately,
the
california
supreme
court
agreed
with
him
on
that.
So
it
summarizes
the
potential
impacts
for
us.
B
It
really
came
down
to
then
estimating
what
is
the
behavior
change
that
we
can
somehow
try
to
predict
in
terms
of
if
we
charge
a
certain
amount
for
paper
bags,
how
many
people
are
going
to
switch
over
to
reusable
bags?
So
that
is
that
became
kind
of
the
crux
of
the
issue
and
in
the
end
we
decided
that
the
project
that
we
were
going
to
do
the
e
ir
on
the
project
would
require
a
ban
on
plastic
bags
and
the
store
charge
on
paper
bags.
B
B
Er
looks
at
different
categories
of
impact
and
summarizes
them.
I
was
going
to
have
a
holy.
I
are
here
with
me
and
I,
just
didn't
pack
it
with
me.
It's
a
big
old
document.
It
goes
through
each
of
these
categories
and
describes
that
there
is
either
no
impact
or
a
beneficial
impact,
so
it
just
summarizes
all
of
that.
B
This
is
the
chart
that
shows
the
are
the
way
that
we
tried
to
get
our
arms
are.
What
is
the
behavior
change
going
to
be
based
on
the
indifferent
amounts
of
of
a
charge
on
a
paper
bag
and
based
on
what
has
happened
in
other
countries
and
the
two
things
that
are
start
here:
San
Jose
and
Seattle
there
starred,
because
these
figures
are
there
not
because
of
any
actual
project.
This.
These
are
figures
that
we
got
when
we
did
a
phone
survey
of
the
residents
in
San
Jose
I
was
a
random
digit,
dial,
statistically
significant.
B
B
The
this
also
there's
a
source
there
that's
listed
Herrera
environmental
consultants
was
another,
was
the
organization
that
did
the
bag
fiscal
bag,
fee
fiscal
analysis
report
for
the
city,
so
I
wanted
to
give
a
shout
out
to
them
as
well,
there's
a
lot
more
to
say
about
behavior
change
and
I'm
going
to
keep
going,
because
there's
there's
still
more
information
this.
This
is
a
list
of
the
e
ir
studies
that
or
the
studies
that
were
analyzed
in
the
e
ir.
B
These
are
some
of
them
are
life
cycle
analysis
reports
that
are
done
that
have
been
done
throughout
the
world.
A
lot
of
people
will
talk
about
the
boosted
report,
the
care
for
report
in
the
e
ir
there's
a
section
that
also
just
summarizes
all
of
these
reports
and
talks
about
the
pros
and
cons
of
including
the
results
from
these
reports.
In
the
e
ir,
for
example,
the
car
for
is,
is
in
french
and
it's
looking
at
waste
treatment
from
a
French
context.
B
How
much
of
that
is
applicable
in
the
United
States,
not
probably
not
very
much,
it's
a
very
different
kind
of
way
that
they
process
the
Franklin
associates
report
is
a
life
cycle
analysis
that
was
done
by
the
American
Chemistry
Council,
so
probably
a
little
biased.
The
last
one.
The
paper
bags
a
life
cycle
analysis,
one
that
was
done
by
the
paper
bag
industry.
So
again,
is
there
an
independent
life
cycle
analysis,
not
really
not
one.
B
That
applies
directly,
but
all
of
these
reports
have
to
be
included
because
they
are
the
reports
that
are
out
there,
and
this
is
not
the
complete
list.
There
are
more
I
wanted
to
give
talk
a
little
bit
about
metrics.
We
do
have
some
ways
of
trying
to
measure
what
is
a
paper
bag
usage
at
paper,
bag,
plastic
bag,
reusable
bag
usage
in
in
advance
of
the
ordinance
and
then
in
the
years
to
come.
B
Paper
bags
reusable
bags,
there's
some
litter
assessment
work
that
we've
done
in
San
Jose
the
hot
spots
trash
and
creeks
work
is
always
going
to
continues
part
of
the
storm
water
permit
and
then
I
wanted
to
mention
the
great
American
litter
pickup,
because
that
is
an
event
where
we
actually
asked
the
volunteers.
If
they
have
time
if
they
have
the
inclination,
please
count
how
many
plastic
bags
you're
picking
up.
Please
count
how
many
cigarette
butts.
B
Please
count
how
many
food
containers
you're
seeing
so
that
information
is
great
information,
but
it's
from
volunteers
and
it's
so
it's
some
sites.
We
have
so
many
sites
throughout
the
city
and
some
sites
there
will
be
people
there,
who
will
say
I
totally
want
to
help.
And,
yes,
I
will
count
what
would
I
pick
up
and
then
other
sites.
They
don't
give
us
any
information
at
all
so
and
because
it's
volunteers,
it's
not
being
done
in
a
really
scientific
way.
So
there's
an
asterisk
next
to
that
information.
B
The
last
piece
is
about
implementation
and,
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
next
year,
council
adopted
the
ordinance
in
December
and
from
here
on
until
January
of
2012
we're
going
to
be
doing
we're
going
to
continue
doing
outreach
to
residents.
We
are
doing
outreach
to
retailers
and
then
there's
a
little
bit
about
enforcement.
B
I'm,
just
going
to
go
to
outreach
of
the
residents
is
a
lot
of
what
we've
continued,
what
we've
been
doing,
but
we
are
now
going
to
be
sitting
in
front
of
more
safe
ways
and
more
malls,
giving
out
reusable
bags
doing
what
we
call
is
the
the
bag
pledge
and
that's
where
we
give
somebody
a
bag
and
we
asked
them
with.
Could
you
would
you
put
your
initials
here
when
you
take
this
bag
and
by
taking
this
bag?
You
are
promising
to
shop
with
this
bag.
B
When
you
go
to
the
retail
or
grocery
store
and
people
say
sure,
yeah,
that's
a
great
idea.
I
can
initial
that
and
that
will
initial
that
and
the
idea
is
that
you're
giving
somebody
a
bag
but
again
we're
trying
to
do
at
least
a
little
bit
of
public
education
every
time
we
give
somebody
a
bag.
So
that
pledge
also
has
some
questions
about.
B
We
have
been
making
phone
calls
and
people
are
surprised
that
we're
doing
follow-up
and
we
get-
and
it
is
it
is
it
is
the
reminder
it's
beat-
we're
doing
that,
because
we
get
a
whole
lot
of
feedback
of.
I
love
this
project
I.
This
is
such
a
great
idea.
I
always
forget
to
bring
my
bag.
So
this
is
the
reminder.
B
That's
the
pledge,
outreach
to
retailers.
We
will
be
doing
a
mass
mailing
that
is
probably
the
biggest
expense
to
the
five
thousand
retailers
small
mom-and-pop
7-elevens
everybody,
one
big
mailing
in
the
next
month,
or
so
just
to
say
the
ordinance
has
been
adopted.
It
will
be
going
into
effect,
be
on
the
lookout
for
more
information.
The
last
the
last
line
is
the
one
I
want
to
highlight
business
self-certification
letter.
B
This
will
be
something
that
goes
out
closer
to
the
like:
a
November,
for
example,
where
a
business
will
sign
a
document
that
says
I
understand
that
bag
that
plastic
bags
are
banned.
I
will
be
implementing
this
law,
this
ordinance
starting
January
of
2012,
so
it's
a
way
for
them
to
acknowledge
that
they
understand
the
ordinance
and
that
they
are
going
to
be
in
compliance
with
it.
It
is
something
that
just
kind
of
gives
us
something
to
follow
up
on
when
we
do.
B
B
We
have
records
that
you
did
receive
it,
so
the
Ord,
the
enforcement
will
be
complaint
driven,
and
that
is
to
say
that,
as
all
the
information
is
getting
out
there,
it
will
become
obvious
who
is
complying
with
the
ordinance
and
who
is
not,
and
there
are
people
out
there,
some
of
maybe
some
people
in
this
room
who
will
call
in
and
let
us
know
that
a
particular
store
still
is
using
plastic
bags.
We
will
then
go
out.
Do
a
visit
and
again
the
first
visit
is
about
education.
B
Did
you
know
that,
there's
a
ban
on
plastic
bags
in
San
Jose?
Did
you
get
this
information?
You
need
to
be
in
compliance
with
this,
and
these
are
the
fines
that
will
go
into
effect.
If
we
get
another
call,
so
the
the
fine
amounts
are
listed
in
our
I
was
I.
Think
it's
five
hundred
dollars
for
the
first
infraction
750
after
that,
a
thousand
dollars
after
that.
So
the
last
call
out
is
to
the
fact
that
this
project
in
San
Jose
has
been
the
project
of
partnerships
with
a
lot
of
regional
partners.
B
B
So
again,
the
r
WRC,
the
board
of
supervisors
and
bay
rock,
and
then
the
last
slide
I
wanted
to
highlight
is
the
press
event
that
we
had
in
Sacramento.
We
are
still
looking
for
state
legislation
on
this
issue.
The
more
cities
that
implement
a
ban,
the
better
the
chances
that
we're
going
to
have
a
state
that
we're
going
to
state
legislation.
So
I
guess
now
I'm
going
to
take
questions.
B
B
Sure
sure
so
the
question,
so
so
what
happened?
At
this
event,
the
question
was
that
this
is
our
representative
from
senator
Lowenthal's
office
and
you
live
in
Sacramento
County
and
you
weren't
aware
that
Sacramento
County
was
moving
forward
on
a
bag
ban.
The
event
in
Sacramento
was
for
cities
that
cities
and
counties
that
wanted
to
put
it
on
to
their
agenda
in
the
coming
months.
So
it's
not
that
they're
necessarily
some
of
these
cities
milpitas,
for
example,
is
moving
forward
there.
B
They
are
doing
a
study
but
other,
but
the
cities
that
are
listed
here
are
at
different
stages
of
some
kind
of
implementation.
In
some
ways.
For
some
cities,
just
getting
it
on
to
a
council
agenda
is,
is
enough
for
them
to
have
been
standing
up
there
with
us
and
in
solidarity
that
we're
all
going
to
be
trying
to
do
something
on
this
issue.
C
Amy,
thanks
for
the
presentation,
the
e
ir
or
actually
the
whole
process
do
we
have
estimated
cost
for
the
city
of
San
Jose
on
that
yeah.
D
C
E
B
For
us,
the
cost
on
the
for
the
e
ir
ended
up
being
about
a
hundred
and
forty
thousand
dollars.
So,
but
what
but
for
other
cities,
I'm
not
sure
how
much
lower
the
cost
would
be,
but
I
would
but
I
would
say
that
the
groundwork
has
been
done
so
that
any
consultant
that's
going
to
come
on
board
and
and
take
rei,
are
and
kind
of
make.
It
particular
to
your
jurisdiction
or
to
it
to
a
different
jurisdiction
is
going
to
have
a
lot
less
work
ahead
of
them.
I'm
not
sure
how
much.
D
F
D
And
oral
argument
should
be
and
scheduled
in
the
next
month
or
so,
and
that
should
so
right
now
the
e
ir
the
question
of
whether
it's
needed
is
not
absolutely
set
in
stone
and
Marin
County's
moved
forward
with
a
categorical
exemption.
So
anyone
like
to
look
at
my
web-site
plastic
bag
laws
or
guy
have
a
lot
of
information
about
that
particular
subject.
Thanks
Jenny's.
G
Thank
you
and
my
name
is
Angela
from
the
city
of
Monterey,
our
communities
smaller,
although
we
have
a
lot
of
tourists
and-
and
there
are
two
military
facilities,
but
we're
actually
considering
banning
bags
throughout
the
entire
city.
So
that
means
fast.
Food
means
everything
and
I
think
actually
I
talked
to
Leslie
about
it
a
while
ago
to
maybe
steer
away
from
that.
Do
you
have
any
input
on
that?
We're
kind
of
just
going
for
the
big
gust
0
at
this
point,
but
so.
B
In
San
Jose,
we
did
not
ban
plastic
bags
at
restaurants.
We
felt
that
that
was
one
sector
where
a
reusable
bag
is
less
practical,
especially
when
food
is
wet
and
potentially
drippy
and
all
those
kinds
of
questions
I
think
there
was
partially
also
a
sense
that
we
are
going
to
be
looking
at
that
sector
for
polystyrene
food
containers
for
a
band
so
that
on
so
that
we
will
be
addressing
that
sector
on
for
that
for
those
products.
So
we
did
keep
them
out
of
the
plastic
bag
ban
that
I,
don't
know.
If
that
really
answers.
B
Your
question
in
terms
of
going
for
the
gusto
is
great
sure.
We
totally
want
to
encourage
that
and
I
think
different
jurisdictions
throughout
California
are
the
universe
of
retailers
that
the
plastic
bag
ban
applies
to
is
different
in
different
cities
in
Los
Angeles.
I
believe
it's
for
the
large
grocery
stores
and
the
convenience
stores,
and
that's
it.
They
haven't
gone
for
like
the
whole
gamut
of
all
retailers.
San
jose
has
gone
for
the
whole
gamut
of
all
retailers,
but
different
again,
different
jurisdictions
are
looking
at
different,
different
sizes
of
universe.
E
E
I
will,
however,
observe
that
legislation
is
incremental,
and
if
you
feel
that
your
council
members
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
stand
up
to
absolutely
everybody
in
their
district
banging
on
their
door,
I
would
say
at
least
start
with
a
component
that
you
think
you
can
get
across
the
finish
line
and
in
future
years
you
can
certainly
amend
that.
Certainly,
that
is
the
strategy
at
the
state
level,
so
you
know
and
I
apologize
I.
Don't
remember
that
individual
context
of
our
conversation,
you
know
I'm
listening
to
now,
I'm
thinking
wow.
E
If
you're
in
Monterey,
at
least
the
aquarium
shouldn't
be
handing
out
plastic
bags,
so
maybe
you
could
get
them
thrown
in
there,
if
not
all
retailers,
but
it
is
an
individual
calculation.
I
just
also
want
to
respond
to
the
gentleman
who
was
asking
about
the
e
ir,
and
I
know
that
san
jose
designed
their
a
ir
to
be
able
to
be
used
and
replicated,
and
there
are
significant
sections
of
the
e
ir
that
you
can
take
whole
cloth.
E
Individual
statements
of
your
city's
situation.
Components
of
ER
would
have
to
be
redone.
I.
Think
it'd
be
very
interesting
for
you
to
share
with
a
group
from
a
legal
analysis
of
your
city's
attorneys
what
they
think
it
would
cost
to
redo
those
sections.
My
guess,
is
significantly
less
than
the
cost
of
the
e
ir.
Certainly
LA
County
design
their
a
ir,
and
I
know
that's
not
a
Bay
Area
EIA
are,
but
they
design
there's
to
be
done
that
way
so
they're.
Eighty
eight
cities
could
use
it
and
replicate
it
easily
with
low
cost.
E
Me
understand,
cities
don't
have
money
for
this,
and
the
green
cities
California
has
on
its
website
the
master
environmental
assessment,
which
is
part
of
Annie
I.
Are
you
know,
reference
documentation
that
certainly
is
available
to
all
cities?
So
when
you
hear
that
big
number
do
not
be
dissuaded
initially,
do
some
more
investigation
and
speak
to
people
like
Emmy,
specifically
with
your
city
attorneys
and
find
out,
because
the
thought
of
large
cities
and
counties
is
to
make
their
materials
able
to
be
replicated
easily
by
those
of
you
who
do
not
have
legal
resources.
H
F
B
Yeah
the
it's
interesting
because
I
mean
we
could
talk,
there's
so
much
to
say
about
that,
but
maybe
the
the
saving
statement
I'd
like
to
make
on
that
is
that
the
person
that
has
been
suing
all
the
cities
has
had
a
window
of
time
to
file
a
lawsuit
and
that
window
of
time
has
expired.
So
because,
and
since
we
have
actually
done
the
whole
a
ir,
this
one
person
I,
don't
know.
If
do
you
feel
like
he'd
still
come,
I
mean
he
could
still
come
back?
They
could
always.
B
So
Jenny
says
were
safe,
but
but
I
am
so
so
so
there
is
that
there
is
that
one
gentleman
who
and
I
use
the
term
loosely
who
who,
who
sues
yeah,
he's
very
nice
guy
who
sues
on
the
grounds
of
not
having
done
any
I
are
so
we
have
done
any
ir
and
the
timeline
for
him
to
see
you
based
on
that
has
come
and
gone,
and
our
attorney's
office,
like
have
you
ever
done,
like
I,
have
not
heard
anything
so
I
believe
that
is
the
st..
B
I
I
Then
I
just
have
two
quick
questions.
Thank
you
so
much.
This
was
very
informative,
I'm
with
save
our
shores
and
I'm
working
with
angela
and
monterey
as
well
as
santa
cruz.
To
make
this
happen,
two
questions,
one
is:
do
you
have
more
information
about
the
lack
of
a
market
for
recycled
bags?
This
is
the
biggest
argument
the
ACC
keeps
coming
back
to
us
with
that.
We
should
just
recycle
bags
more
if
we
had
some
facts
about
how
there
are
not
markets
for
this
material.
I
think
that
would
really
help
our
case.
F
B
Don't
I
don't
have
a
like
a
great
answer
for
you
on
that,
but
I
will
say
that
the
maybe
to
talk
with
your
Murph's
and
find
out
what
kind
of
markets
what
kind
of
the
information
that
we've
been
getting
is
that
emerge
can
get
about
forty
to
sixty
dollars
per
ton
for
of
plastic
bags?
It's
at
that
point.
When
I
tell
the
community
that
that
I
hold
up
a
flimsy
little
plastic
bag
and
say,
can
you
imagine
how
much
work
it
takes
to
collect
a
ton
of
these
and
they
have
to
be
clean?
B
This
is
not
that's
why
this
is
a
problem
product.
So,
if
they're
getting
forty
to
sixty
dollars
for
a
ton
that
seems
like
not.
That
seems
like
a
lot
of
work
for
not
very
much
money
and
that's
in
the
markets
for
recycled
materials
are
volatile,
and
so,
when
the
economy
took
a
big
downturn,
this
pile
of
plastic
bags
was
being
stockpiled
at
a
materials
recovery
facility
and
they
had
to
call
somebody
and
had
to
pay
to
have
somebody
take
it
away.
There
was
less
than
it
was
no
market,
it
was
an
expense
for
them.
B
I
Great
and
then
just
another
quick
question:
I
love
your
idea
about
sending
that
certified
letter
to
businesses
to
have
them
sign
on.
Was
there
any
requirement
for
them
to
return
that
to
you
or
any
kind
of
penalty
if
they
didn't
just
hoping
that
they
would
and
be
more
aware
of
it?
Ok!
Great!
Thank
you.
Oh
sorry,.
J
Hi
good
morning
melody
city
of
San
Jose.
We
will
be
doing
the
enforcement
over
in
the
watershed
protection
side
of
environmental
services
across
from
Emmy,
and
we
are
going
to
ask
them
to
send
back
a
self-certification
as
we
get
closer
to
the
ordinance
to
acknowledge
that
they
fully
have
read
and
understand
it.
D
Jenny
again
and
just
one
point
regarding
the
plastic
bag
recycling,
it
is
the
ACC's
favorite
issue,
so
I'm
working
with
their
bills
in
the
state
legislature
in
vermont
and
maryland,
and
the
AC
is
really
pounding
them.
They're
about
plastic
bag
recycling.
So
I'm
developing
a
comment
letter
and
talking
points
for
them.
So
I
can
save
share
that
with
you.
If
you
like,
and
my
website
has
updated
information
and
and
interesting.
D
One
interesting
point
is
that
China
actually
moved
to
ban
the
import
of
contaminated
plastic
bags
in
film
in
2008,
because
it's
so
dirty
that
they
don't
want
to
process
it.
So
the
real
market
is
just
a
film
Phil,
clean
films
that
have
not
been
used
and
that's
really
a
points,
that's
overlooked,
and
even
the
EPA's
statistics
that
I
think
it
was
6.1
percent
of
plastic
bags
were
recycled.
That
included
all
films
that
surround
packaging
and
shipping
and
those
statistics
were
actually
developed
by
the
ACC
and
given
to
the
EPA.
So
recent
information.
E
E
These
statistics
indicated
and
as
I
indicated
earlier
in
my
comments-
California's
own
recycling
law,
maybe
24
49,
failed
miserably,
and
even
years
after
its
implementation,
the
integrated
waste
management
board
now
renamed
Cal
recycle,
cannot
authoritative
lycée
with
the
problems
pecet
by
the
process
of
reviewing
the
data
and
everything
else
that
the
law
had
going
for
it
wrong.
They
can't
even
conclusively
say
that
the
law
worked.
So
I
think
when,
when
the
American
Chemistry
Council
comes
at,
you
is
just
statistics
like
that.
E
You
can
cite
to
jenny's
fact
sheet
that
you
can
get
off
of
her
website.
You
can
cite
to
EPA
statistics
from
a
long
time
ago.
You
can
cite
to
California's
own
statistics
about
how
many
bags
really
are
recycled,
and
you
can
cite
to
the
failure
of
California's
own
attempt
to
do
recycling
and
San
Francisco's
Jack
Macy
is
here.
Maybe
he
wants
to
comment
if
San
Francisco
has
statistics.
K
We
did
ours,
which
was
but
was
three
years
ago.
You
know
we
cleaned
around
a
one
percent
recovery
rate,
and
you
know
there
was
some
sort
of
debate
about
that,
but
I
remember
begging
being
in
a
forum
with
trex
which
makes
the
plastic
lumber
there
them
and
they
said
yeah
we're
by
far
the
primary
market,
like
a
very
high
percentage
of
plastic
film
was
going
to
trucks
and
their
numbers
nationwide
were
about
1%
of
plastic
bags.
So
I
said
okay
well,
that
kind
of
confirms.