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From YouTube: Wellness: An Introduction to Herbalism
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Medicinal plants can play a powerful role in preventive care, as well as providing relief for many common challenges like anxiety, depression, digestive pain, skin inflammation, sleeplessness and more. In this workshop, Finn Oakes, a writer, educator and clinical herbalist, will explain the ways that common herbs can support your mental, emotional and physical well being. Recorded November 24, 2019
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The City Channel
A
Good
afternoon
and
welcome,
my
name
is
Claire
for
SEO
and
I
am
the
community
librarian
at
Cupertino
library,
I'm
so
happy
to
have.
You
join
us
today
for
this
last
wellness
program
of
2019
and
we're
looking
forward
to
continuing
the
series
in
2020.
Today's
wellness
program
is
an
introduction
to
herbalism,
and
it's
brought
to
you
today
with
support
from
Cupertino
library
foundation.
Our
speaker
today
is
Finn
Oakes
Finn
Oakes
is
a
writer
educator
and
clinical
herbalist,
who
is
a
graduate
of
the
blue
Otter
school
of
herbal
medicine.
A
Finn
is
also
co-owner
of
steadfast
herbs,
a
small
herb
farm
located
in
Pescadero
California
that
provides
local
herbs,
seedlings
and
herbal
medicine
to
the
greater
Bay
Area
in
their
clinical
practice.
Finn
supports
clients
in
their
mental
and
emotional
health,
with
a
focus
on
building
resiliency
to
trauma,
you
can
learn
more
about
their
practice
at
Finn,
Oaks,
comm
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
up
Finn
for
today's
program.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
if
there's,
if
there's
any
point
where
you
can't
hear
me
and
just
raise
your
hand
and
I'll
speak
a
little
louder,
I
always
start
my
workshops
with
saying
that
we're
here
to
talk
about
health
and
wellness.
So
if
you
need
to
take
care
of
your
body
in
any
way
in
the
next
hour
and
a
half,
if
you
need
to
drink
water
or
use
the
bathroom
or
stretch,
please
do
so.
That
is
welcome.
So
please
take
care
of
your
needs.
B
As
Clara
said,
my
name
is
Finn
Oakes
and
I'm
involved
in
herbalism
in
two
different
ways.
Right
now,
I
co
run
and
co
farm,
a
half
acre
and
Pescadero
called
steadfast
herbs,
and
a
lot
of
folks
are
familiar
with
the
local
food
movement.
Right
like
the
idea
that
you're
trying
to
source
your
food
within
some
people
say
100
in
order
to
use
less
fossil
fuels
and
support
the
local
economy.
B
And
so
we
started
this
project
really
in
response
to
that
to
try
to
grow
more
herbal
medicines
for
the
bay
area,
because
most
herbs
are
actually
imported
from
outside
the
United
States
and
that's
mostly
for
labor
costs.
So
there's
herbs
that
are
like
really
easy
to
grow
here
that
grow
abundantly
here
in
California
or
the
US
and
are
imported
from
Bulgaria
Morocco
or
a
lot
of
different
places,
just
because
it's
easier
for
the
and
cheaper
for
the
larger
companies
to
source
that
way.
So
we
wanted
to
create.
B
B
And
there
are
a
number
of
practitioners
in
the
greater
Barre
Bay
area,
so
if
you're
interested
in
working
with
an
herbalist
for
more
complicated
conditions,
I
really
encourage
you
to
do
that.
There's
something
really
profound
and
working
with
someone
one-on-one
and
being
witnessed
in
that
way
and
being
supported
in
that
way,
I
often
like
to
tell
my
own
sort
of
story
of
how
I
found
our
blossom.
It
was
about
12
years
ago,
and
I
was
like
deeply
impacted
by
chronic
stress
showing
up
mostly
in
my
physiology.
B
B
Very
easily
startled
very
depleted
and
there's
something
that
some
a
lot
of
people
experience
both
just
because
of
like
their
work
environment
because
of
caregiving
because
of
trying
to
survive
under
capitalism
because
of
structural
oppression
or
interpersonal
traumas.
And
what
this
means
is
that
try
to
not
give
too
much
physiology.
But
our
bodies
don't
really
know
the
difference
between
needing
to
run
away
from
a
bear
and
needing
to
run
to
catch.
The
BART
train
right
like
intellectually.
We
might
understand
that.
B
There's
a
distinction
but
physiologically
stress
hormone
cascades
happen,
and
what
they're
doing
is
that
they're
working
on
survival,
so
they're,
sending
all
the
blood
and
all
the
energy
to
your
extremities
and
to
your
heart.
But
then
what
gets
neglected
are
other
organ
systems.
So
often
digestion
is
impacted
and
immune
systems
are
impacted
and
other
things
that
aren't
as
necessary
for
survival.
And
so
when
people
are
in
a
chronic
stress,
State,
that's
where
those
imbalances
show
up
and
for
steadfast
herbs.
B
We
sell
at
farmer's
markets
a
lot
of
the
time
and
that's
a
lot
of
what
we're
seeing
as
people
will
come
to
us
needing
digestion,
support
with
insomnia.
Looking
for
help
with
stress
and
anxiety,
so
it's
kind
of
a
it's
kind
of
a
chronic
condition
for
a
lot
of
people,
but
I
was
in
that
state
and
so
I
started
to
work
with
an
herbalist
one-on-one
and
our
about
a
course
of
a
year.
B
I
saw
a
really
profound
change
in
terms
of
the
way
my
nervous
system
was
a
lot
more
resilient
and
the
way
I
felt
a
lot
calmer
and
my
day-to-day
so
clearly
that
had
a
pretty
big
impact
on
me
and
an
impact
on
my
day-to-day.
But
the
other
thing
we
did
is
it
just
opened
my
eyes
to
this
world
of
herbal
medicine.
I
didn't
grow
up
with
plant
medicine
at
all.
B
I
was
definitely
given
a
lot
of
pharmaceuticals,
and
so
I
didn't
even
know
that
this
was
an
option
and
it
was
really
empowering
to
start
to
learn
about
the
plants
and
to
start
to
learn
the
ways
that
I
could
treat
myself
so
I
started
to
learn
if
I
was
feeling
anxious.
I
could
take
this
verb,
help
skullcap
as
a
scary
name,
but
it's
a
very
gentle
plant
I
could
take
a
skullcap
and
I
would
starts
to
feel
calmer.
B
I
learned
that
if
I
was
starting
to
get
a
cold
or
the
flu
I
would
take
echinacea
or
garu
or
plant
like
that
and
I
would
not
get
sick
a
lot
of
the
time
or
it
wouldn't
last
for
as
long
so.
The
sense
of
agency
that
that
gave
me
was
really
huge
to
know
that
I
could
have
an
impact
on
my
body.
I
could
have
an
impact
on
my
mind
and
my
overall
health
and
it
I
just
kind
of
fell
in
love
with
the
plants
too.
B
Other
plans
too,
so
thank
you
for
showing
up
today
for
being
open
to
learning
about
some
plant
medicines.
I
also
always
like
to
give
some
honor
and
respect
to
my
teachers.
I've
had
a
number
of
teachers,
but
Karen
Sanders
and
Sarah
Holmes
are
the
teachers
who
have
really
had
the
most
profound
impact
on
me
and
my
practice,
and
they
actually
have
a
radio
show
they
like
to
tell
folks
about.
That's
called
the
herbal
highway
and
it's
on
the
Berkeley
public
radio
station
KPFA
it's
on
your
yellow
sheet.
B
If
you
picked
up
one
of
those
handouts,
but
it
was
before
the
days
of
pot
cats,
they
had
this
radio
show.
That
is
also
now
in
podcast
form
format.
But
the
incredible
thing
is
that
there's
like
a
20
year
archive
of
these
shows
it's
once
a
week.
So
there's
a
lot
of
really
great
free
herbal
education
that
out
there
from
Karen
and
Sarah,
and
two
of
my
friends
and
colleagues
Emiliano
Dimas
and
Rene
Kamiya
have
also
been
co-hosting
a
lot
and
bringing
in
interviews
with
a
lot
of
really
great
younger
herbalist
you.
B
B
Pharmaceuticals
are
pretty
new,
and
even
at
this
point,
40%
of
pharmaceuticals
are
actually
derived
from
plants,
so
you
might
be
taking
a
of
plant
medicine
and
not
even
know
it,
but
every
every
people's
every
culture
have
had
a
tradition
that
plant
medicine
I'm
using
the
herbs
that
grew
around
them
in
order
to
support
their
health
and
well-being
and
the
health
of
their
community.
So
you
might
know
the
herbal
tradition.
B
You
might
be
like
part
of
an
intact
cultural
tradition
where
you
know,
like
my
grandma,
always
made
this
tea
and
I
make
this
tea,
which
is
amazing,
if
you
are
that
connected
to
an
oral
tradition,
or
maybe
it's
a
few
generations
back
for
you.
But
every
culture
in
every
place
has
had
a
relationship
to
the
plants
and
have
used
plants
for
helping
to
support
health
and
well-being
in
most
culturals
and
most
ancestral
cultural
herbal
traditions.
B
So
there's
some
or
herbs
that
you
might
actually
eat
or
cook
with,
and
there
are
some
herbs
that
you
could
take
as
a
tea
like
every
day
and
it
would
be
a
tonic
would
be
something
that
would
be
nutritive
and
help
support
you.
And
then
there
are
some
herbs
on
the
spectrum
that
are
really
just
for
super
acute
situations
that
are
a
little
more
like
drugs
like
pharmaceutical
drugs,
and
that
can
actually
be
poisonous.
If
you
take
them
in
the
wrong
dosage
right.
B
So
sometimes
when
I
talk
about
pharmaceuticals,
people
feel
like
I
might
be
an
outside
pharmaceutical
or
Absa
allopathic
or
Western
medicine
and
I'm.
Definitely
not
I
feel
like
the
two
can
be
complementary
and
that
both
have
their
strengths
and
both
have
their
weaknesses.
So
if
I,
you
know,
was
in
a
car
accident
and
I
broke,
my
leg
I
would
definitely
go
to
the
hospital
to
get
my
bone
set.
B
Pharmaceuticals
to
support
their
mental
health.
I
find
that
using
both
herbs
and
pharmaceuticals
can
be
really
supportive
for
folks.
So
I
definitely
don't
feel.
Like
never
take
Pharmaceuticals
are
over-the-counter
drugs,
I'm,
not
a
purist
really
in
anything,
but
know
that
both
can
be
used
in
concert
where
Beach
is
most
appropriate
or
in
combination
to
I
as
much
as
possible.
B
I
usually
like
to
try
to
bring
the
plants
into
the
room
so
that
you
can
have
a
sense
of
the
plants
themselves,
so
I
organize
a
little
bit
of
a
slideshow
of
plants
that
I
feel
like
are
probably
more
familiar
to
you.
These
are
plants
that
are
either
native
to
the
Bay,
Area
or,
however,
become
naturalized
here
and
are
easy
to
find
or
plants
that
grow,
often
in
folks
gardens.
So
I'm
just
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
these
plants
and
their
uses,
and
we
are
gonna,
have
Q&A
at
the
end.
B
So
if
one
of
these
plants
really
sparks
your
curiosity-
and
you
have
some
questions-
that's
great
just
made
me
save
it
to
the
end,
and
we
can
address
those
questions
now.
So
does
anyone
know
what
this
plant
is
here
this
side,
California
Poppy,
raise
your
hand
if
he
knew
that
it
was
medicinal
yeah,
not
a
lot
of
folks.
So
California
Poppy
is
a
plant
where
the
whole
plant
is.
You
sow
the
seeds
and
the
flowers
and
the
leaves
and
the
stems
and
the
root
all
of
it
is
used,
and
it's
a
really
great
anti-anxiety
herb.
B
B
So
for
folks
who
live
very
much
in
their
heads
and
maybe
can
kind
of
like
spin
in
their
heads
that
helps
to
ground
people,
and
it
helps
to
get
them
a
little
more
centered
and
a
little
more
into
their
heart,
and
it's
also
just
a
really
beautiful
plant.
So
there's
a
lot
of
Medicine
just
being
around
it
and
it's
a
really
big
pollinator.
B
So
all
of
these
pictures
that
I'm
showing
are
from
our
farm
from
the
steadfast
herbs
farm-
and
this
is
one
that
always
have-
we
have
bee
hives
too,
but
there's
always
honeybees
rolling
around
and
the
flowers
as
well
as
bumblebees
to
you,
and
it's
one
that
I've
been
wanted
to
plant.
It's
really
easy
to
start
from
seed,
throw
it
in
your
garden
and
then
it
all
self
seeds
you
so
you'll
have
endless
poppies
once
you
first
have
them
in
your
garden.
B
This
is
photo
of.
Does
anyone
know
plant?
This
is
yeah.
These
are
dandelions.
You
know,
which
are
often
weeded
out
of
people's
lawns
are
seen
as
a
weed
and
the
leaves
are
really
super
nutritious.
They
have
a
lot
of
vitamins
and
minerals,
and
then
the
roots
are
really
strong,
liver,
so
they're,
really
good
at
detoxing
and
supporting
the
liver
and
in
western
herbalism,
as
well
as
I
believe
in
TCM
or
traditional
chinese
medicine.
B
The
way
that
a
lot
of
conditions
are
treated
is
first
through
the
liver,
so
skin
conditions
are
treated
through
the
liver
things
like
eczema
or
psoriasis.
Acne.
Often,
if
you
get
the
liver
into
balance,
it'll
help
with
skin
issues.
Hormonal
imbalances
often
are
treated
first,
because
hormones
are
synthesized
there
in
the
liver,
allergies
can
be
supported
by
supporting
in
the
liver
and
also
just
since
we
live
in
an
environment
where
there's
a
lot
of
toxins
I
feel,
like
kind
of
everybody
needs
some
liver
support.
You
so
dandelion
is
one
of
those
food
herbs.
B
It's
one
that
you
could
use
daily
as
a
tea
or
a
tincture
or
as
using
it
in
your
food
too.
The
dandelion
greens
are
a
bitter
and
bitters
are
also
really,
which
is
bitter
as
a
flavor,
that's
not
often
in
diets
and
its
really
helpful
for
priming
the
digestion.
So
it
gets
all
the
enzymes
like
from
your
salivary
glands
down
into
your
stomach,
ready
to
process
food
so
Daniel
and
is
a
really
powerful
herb
and
we
actually
have
a
really
hard
time
growing
this
one.
B
B
Similar
similar
to
rye
grass,
it
is
oats
or
milky
oats,
and
this
is
the
kind
that
we
cultivate
as
Avena
sativa.
It's
the
same
oats
that
you
would
eat
in
your
oatmeal
and
around
here,
especially
in
the
hills
of
the
East
Bay,
but
I
think
probably
around.
Here
too,
you
often
see
wild
oats
growing,
so
they'll
be
like
those
long
grasses,
like
you
see
in
the
back,
that's
kind
of
spread
their
seed
and
early
summer
when
the
dry
season
hits-
and
this
is
a
really
amazing
nervous
system
tonic.
B
So
the
grass
the
stems
oat
straw-
has
a
lot
of
vitamins
and
minerals
and
nutrients,
and
then
the
O
heads
there's
a
stage
where
they're
milky,
which
is
between
when
they
flower
and
they
go
to
seed.
It
has
this
like
gooey
latex
inside.
If
you
pop
them,
you
can
see
the
kind
of
ooze
out,
and
this
is
amazing
food
for
the
brain.
It's
called
a
troffer
restorative
when
there's
a
way,
there's
an
herb
that
acts
like
the
food
for
a
certain
organ
system,
and
this
is
the
one
for
the
nervous
system.
B
So
it's
really
helpful
with
stress
and
anxiety
and
for
helping
people
who
are
in
depleted
states,
it's
one
that
is
gentle
enough,
that
you
could
give
it
to
elders.
You
can
give
it
to
kids,
you
can
give
it
to
someone,
no
matter
what
pharmaceuticals
they
might
be
on.
The
only
thing
is
one
has
a
no
allergy,
they
wouldn't
want
to
use
it,
but
otherwise
it's
a
really
beautiful
medicine.
So
those
are
it's.
B
A
picture
of
the
oat
heads
have
just
been
gathered
when
they're
milking
in
that
basket,
and
then
you
can
see
the
straw
in
the
back
and
I.
Think
if
you
have
this
image
in
your
mind,
you
might
notice
next
summer
the
it's
it's
kind
of
it's
basically
a
weed
around
here.
When
you
see
that
tall
grass
there's
a
good
chance,
that's
wild
oats.
B
B
It's
something
you
could
take
daily
to
make
sure
you
don't
get
sick
or
if
you
do
get
sick,
it
can
help
you
to
get
over
the
cold
or
the
flu
faster,
and
these
elderberry
mm-hmm
yeah,
and
these
this
variety
sambuca
mexicana
that
is
kind
of
blue
and
has
this
yeasty
blush
on
it.
This
is
the
kind
that's
native
to
here
to
California
to
northern
Mexico
California
up
into
Oregon
Washington.
This
is
the
kind
of
elderberry
trees
we
have
and
you'll
often
see
them
actually
growing
around
the
highways
highway.
B
101
there's
like
huge
stands
of
elderberry
trees,
they're
also
often
and
the
Oakland
Hills.
You
can
find
them
and
they
put
out
these
beautiful
white
flowers
in
the
spring
and
these
berries
in
the
summer
and
you,
but
you
don't.
You
only
want
to
use
the
berry,
the
stems
and
leaves,
and
everything
are
a
little
bit
toxic,
not
like
deadly
toxic.
Just
give
you
a
stomachache
toxic.
You
still
want
to
avoid
that
and
I
was
generally
a
trained,
not
too
wild
harvest
plants.
B
B
The
health
of
the
stands
that
they're
harvesting
from
and
also
not
know
whose
plant
medicine
they
might
be
taking
from
right.
So
this
can
also
be
detrimental
to
communities
who
have
been
tending
to
plants,
maybe
for
generations,
and
someone
isn't
really
paying
attention
to
that.
Just
comes
in
and
says:
oh,
this
is
a
medicinal
plant
and
takes
that
medicine.
B
So
that's
a
little
bit
of
my
wild
crafting
spiel
is
just
to
be
aware
if
you're
buying
things
that
are
wild,
crafted
to
kind
of
check,
white
sage
is
something
that
often
you're
seeing
now
wild
crafted
bundles
for
sale
like
at
Walmart,
actually
in
Kmart
and
white
sage
is
actually
endangered.
It's
an
endangered
plant
and
it's
also
a
plant.
That's
really
important
and
sacred
to
a
lot
of
Native
Nations
and
communities
in
California.
So
also
just
to
be
thinking
about.
B
Are
you
practicing
culture
appropriation?
Are
you
giving
respect
to
the
people
whose
medicine
this
is
and
where
was
this
sourced?
So
that's
information
that
a
lot
of
people
don't
know
about,
but
just
to
let
you
know
as
much
as
possible
to
support
herbs
that
have
been
cultivated,
maybe
rather
than
wild
crafted
or
to
try
to
grow.
Your
thumb
yourself
to
a
lot
of
these
plants
are
really
easy
to
grow.
C
B
A
plant
that
often
is
growing
in
people's
yards,
maybe
not
wild
rose
but
other
forms.
Other
varieties
of
roses
are
growing
and
it's
one,
that's
nice
to
just
spend
some
time
with.
So
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
how
you
might
use
herbs
in
terms
of
how
you
might
ingest
them,
but
I
think
that
herbs
are
really
powerful
without
having
to
take
them
into
your
body
or
consume
them
just
spending
time
with
plants
is
really
healing
as
well
and
building
relationships
with
them.
B
The
flower
mm-hmm
is
the
part
that's
used,
and
so,
if
you
have
a
rosebush,
you
know
maybe
just
spend
a
little
time
with
it
or
your
neighbor
does
or
you
peer
around
roses
and
just
see
just
pay
attention
to
how
you
might
feel
physically
mentally
emotionally.
Do
you
feel
any
kind
of
shift
or
any
kind
of
adjustment
when
you're
around
the
planet
and
also
just
notice
it
sent
notice?
It's
color
notice
how
this
plant
looks
in
different
seasons
and
the
bay
area
there's
a
much
milder
climate.
D
D
B
This
one
is
time
the
herb
time
and
it's
in
flower
in
this
picture
and
a
lot
of
the
herbs
that
culinary
herbs,
especially
culinary
herbs
that
come
from
European
continent,
are
actually
really
antibacterial
and
really
strongly
antiviral
and
sometimes
antifungal
as
well.
Antimicrobial
is
when
they're
all
of
those
things
and
and
they're
used
in
cooking
because
they
were
acting
as
preservatives
so
before
refrigeration
people
would
use
things
like
oregano
and
rosemary
and
thyme
to
kind
of
coat
their
their
meats,
the
vegetables
to
try
to
preserve
them.
B
So
a
lot
of
those
plants
are
really
helpful
for,
if
you're
starting
to
get
sick,
because
they're
so
antimicrobial
and
there's
a
really
good
book
that
I
put
on
that
resource
list
called
the
herbal
kitchen.
If
I,
can
you
make
poor
guy,
and
it
just
has
a
lot
of
recipes
with
herbs
that
you
might
already
have
in
your
kitchen
that
you
might
already
have
in
your
spice
cabinet
or
that
are
really
easy
to
access.
B
B
And
you
could
use
it
fresh
or
dried
when
you're
looking
for
herbs
in
the
supermarket
or
at
a
health
food
store.
If
you're
looking
for
dried
herbs
like
thyme,
for
example,
you
just
want
to
make
sure
that
they
still
have
a
good
strong
smell
and
that
they
also
have
a
good
color,
because
if
herbs
have
been
sitting
around
for
a
long
time
at
a
store
or
like
I'm
saying,
a
lot
of
herbs
are
imported
to
you.
B
B
This
is
calendula
and
it's
an
herb
that
you'll
sometimes
see
in
people's
gardens.
It's
this
bright
orange
color,
where
we're
growing
it.
Sometimes
it's
yellow
and
it's
a
plant.
That's
really
easy
to
grow
from
seed.
If
you
put
seeds
in
the
ground
when
I
was
a
garden
educator
when
I
worked
with
kids
we'd
plant,
this
one
a
lot
because
it
would
grow
so
easily
from
seed
and
it'll
make
a
ton
of
seeds.
So
once
you
plant
it
it'll
just
keep
planting
itself,
and
this
plant
is
really
great.
B
B
It's
also
a
really
good
limp
tonic
good
for
lip
balm
things
like
that,
and
it
feels
really
nice.
So
if
you
like
rub
a
flower
on
your
face,
so
it
feels
really
silky
and
soft
and
there's
this
concept
in
western
herbalism.
It's
called
doctrine
of
signatures
and
it's
the
thought
that
you
can
tell
from
the
shape
of
the
plant
what
it
might
help
with
for
humans.
So
if
something
looks
like
heart,
like,
maybe
it's
helpful
for
the
heart
and
I
kind
of
adopted
that
a
little
bit
more
strongly
like
how?
B
B
B
B
B
It's
not
native
to
California
Mullin
is
native
to
Europe,
but
has
kind
of
grows
wild
here
it
was
brought
over
with
colonialism
and,
as
you
can
often
find
a
wild
or
in
people's
gardens
yeah,
but
this
plant
here
is
native
to
California.
Does
anyone
know
this
one
yeah?
This
is
yarrow,
and
this
is
the
medicinal
variety.
B
The
the
white
flowers
here
Achille
it's
Milla
folium
is
the
Latin
name
for
it,
and
this
is
the
only
medicinal
variety
often
you'll
see
in
people's
yards
kind
of
like
a
terracotta
or
a
pink
yarrow
or
an
orange
one,
they're
really
beautiful,
but
they
don't
have
as
many
medicinal
properties
and
this
one
is
native
to
here.
It
also
grows
in
a
lot
of
different
continents
all
over
the
world.
It's
one
that's
easy
to
find
in
a
lot
of
countries
and
then
a
lot
of
different
herbal
traditions.
B
It
can
also
bring
on
a
help,
break
a
fever,
bring
on
sweat
and
the
the
leaves
are
really
great
for
stopping
bleeding
so
Achille
achillea,
Milla
falling
and
being
the
Latin.
It's
coming
from
the
story
of
Achilles
and
the
thought
was
like
that
his
wound
was
was
covered
with
these
leaves
because
these
leaves
are
a
septic
they'll,
stop
bleeding.
B
So,
if
you're
ever
on
a
hike
and
this
one
grows
wild
around
the
bay
area
and
you
cut
yourself,
you
can
kind
of
chew
up
the
leaf
and
put
it
on
the
skin
and
it'll
help
to
stop
the
bleeding
and
I'll
also
help
to
prevent
infections
and
in
general,
it's
interesting.
It
also
helps
to
break
up
stagnant
blood
in
the
body.
It's
really
helpful
for
bruising.
B
It
can
also
bring
on
menstruation,
so
it's
one
of
those
interesting
herbs
that
can
kind
of
like
it
knows
what
to
do.
It
knows
if
it
should
stop
the
bleeding
or
bring
bleeding
on
and
a
lot
of
these
plants
as
you've
noticed.
Probably
they
have
a
variety
of
uses
right,
so
there
are
some
things
like
Molin
hoots,
mostly
adjust
for
the
lungs,
but
a
lot
of
them
have
like
15
different
uses,
and
those
are
just
the
ones
that
I
know
about,
and
probably
folks
working
in
other
herbal
traditions
and
probably
know
15
other
uses.
B
So
these
plants
are
really
are
both
holistic
and
the
way
that
they
work
inside
of
our
bodies,
but
they
themselves
have
a
lot
of
different
properties,
and
this
one
kind
of
spiritually
energetically
yarrow,
is
really
helpful
for
boundaries
too.
So
for
people
who
have
a
hard
time
saying
no
to
others
or
kind
of
like
feel
a
little
bit
like
they
kind
of
like
merge
or
blend
with
other
people,
don't
know
where
they
start
and
someone
else
start
stops.
B
Yarrow
can
be
helpful
for
that
to
you
and
I'll
have
some
clients
where
I'll
put
like
a
little
bit
of
yarrow
and
someone's
herbal
formula
and
the
next
time
I
talked
to
them.
They
were
like
I,
said
no
to
my
boss
and
I
broke
up
with
my
boyfriend
and
like
how
to
talk
with
my
landlord,
and
that
was
suddenly.
Okay,
YUM
yarrow
helps
in
there,
so
I
think
that's
the
last
slide
can
leave
it
up
there.
B
B
Instead,
if
you
don't
want
to
use
something,
that's
alcohol
based,
but
they're,
really
potent
extracts
of
the
plants
and
they
often
come
I
have
some
in
the
back,
but
they
often
come
in
little
like
brown
bottles
that
you
can
find
at
a
health
food
store,
and
you
either
put
a
few
drops
under
your
tongue
or
in
water,
and
most
bottles
will
say
the
dosage
on
them,
and
the
great
thing
about
tinctures
is
that
they're
portable?
You
could
take
them
with
you
anywhere.
B
You
can
just
put
them
in
your
bag
and
they
have
a
really
long
shelf
life
they
usually
last
from
between
eight
to
ten
years.
So
if
you
buy
one,
you
don't
use
it
right
away.
That's
fine
and
people.
Often
we
attend
to
sell
more
of
more
tinctures
than
anything
else
at
steadfast,
because
I
think
it's
pretty
it's
a
lot
more
like
an
over-the-counter
drug
or
a
pharmaceutical,
and
that
there's
not
that
much
work
right,
you're
just
kind
of
like
taking
it
as
you
need
it.
So
it's
a
good
entry
point
for
people.
B
Another
forum
is
to
get
teased
and
I.
Think
that
there's
something
really
great
about
making
tees
just
because
they
take
time,
but
that's
also
what
often
prevents
people
from
you
from
making
to
use
is
that
a
little
bit
more
time
and
energy
that's
required
and
you
can
find
herbal
teas
at
health.
Food
stores
and
tea
bags
are
great,
but
they're,
not
usually
as
strong
as
what
I'm
talking
about
when
I'm
talking
about
herbal
tea
preparations,
usually
you're
going
to
use
more
plant
matter
and
you're
going
to
steep
it
for
a
long
time.
B
So,
if
you
have
a
cup
of
chamomile
tea,
that's
great.
That's
gonna
like
bring
a
little
bit
calming
and
soothing,
but
if
you
make
a
strong
infusion,
then
it's
really
gonna
help
with
anxiety.
It's
really
gonna
help
with
fear
help
with
adda.
All
of
these
other
things,
so
you're
usually
going
to
make
a
little
bit
stronger
of
a
tea
than
a
tea
bag.
But
again
whatever
you
have
access
to
is
great.
B
B
So
if
you
just
soak,
if
you
have
a
sty
or
an
eye
infection
or
anything
like
that,
you
just
steep
that
tea
bag
in
hot
water
and
then
you
can
use
it.
Let
it
cool,
don't
burn
your
eye,
but
then
you
can
put
it
on
the
lid
of
your
eye
or
in
your
eye
and
that
really
helps
to
heal
up
any
kind
of
eye
infection
really
quickly.
So
that's
chamomile
is
something
that
people
often
have
access
to,
and
it's
often
overlooked
because
it's
such
a
common
form
of
herbal
medicine,
but
it's
actually
a
really
powerful.
B
It's
a
really
strong
anti-anxiety
medicine
and
it's
also
helpful
for
infections
too.
That's
one
thing
to
know
about,
so
you
can
take
teas.
You
can
also
you
as
I
was
saying
before
you
don't
have
to
ingest
plants
to
to
experience
plant
medicine.
You
can
also
you
could
put
some
sprigs
in
your
bath.
If
you
take
baths,
you
can
make
a
foot
soak.
If
you
don't
have
access
to
a
bathtub,
you
can
also
carry
a
sprig
in
your
pocket
and
again
just
being
around
the
plants
themselves
can
be
really
helpful.
B
So
the
way
that
I
was
trained
and
the
way
that
I
work
with
people
is
it's
really
about
building
a
relationship
with
the
plants
to
get
the
most
out
of
it.
So
if
you're,
just
like
in
this
short
little
slideshow,
we're
like
I
need
that
plan
and
I
need
that
plan
and
I
need
that
plan,
which
is
often
people's
reactions,
because
we're
all
in
need
of
a
fair
amount
of
support.
B
B
If
there's
any
community
gardens
here,
we'll
have
medicinal
plants
like
community
gardens
that
are
focused
on
raising
vegetables
or
community
garden
projects
and
they'll
have
medicinal
plants
just
sort
of
like
to
attract
butterflies
and
bees,
and
things
like
that,
but
no
one's
really
using
them
or
spending
time
with
them.
So
that's
often
a
source.
B
Yeah
so
I
encourage
you
to
like
both
think
about
you
know.
Do
you
come
from
your
own
herbal
tradition
to
you?
Are
there
people
that
you
can
ask
in
your
family
about
the
herbs
that
they
used
to
try
to
revive
some
of
those
traditions,
or
also
just
kind
of
like
follow
your
gut
of
what
plants
that
you're
most
drawn
to
yeah
and
I
want
to
leave
plenty
of
time
for
questions
too
and
I.
B
Just
ask
that
if
you
have
a
question
just
think
about,
is
there
maybe
someone
else
in
the
room
who
might
be
holding
the
same
question
to
you
and
if
there's
something
like
very,
very
specific,
you
feel
free
to
email
me
or
talk
to
me
afterwards.
Yeah
I
think
we're
gonna
go
to
ask
questions.
We're
gonna
this
microphone
here,
yeah
I!
D
B
E
B
F
B
B
Yeah
hibiscus
is
a
really
great
herb.
It's
helped.
It
does
contain,
contain
a
good
amount
of
vitamin
C.
So
that's
one
benefit,
but
it's
also
super
cool.
So
in
it's
hydrating.
So
it's
helpful.
If
you
know
you're
gonna
go
into
a
situation
where
you
might
get
overheated
or
you
might
get
dehydrated
to
make
it
beforehand
to
have
it
available
or
if
you're,
in
that
state
of
feeling
really
dehydrated
or
overheated,
you
could
do
a
hibiscus
tea.
For
that.
E
B
Know
I
haven't
looked
at
that.
That
means
you
know.
Yeah
I
haven't
looked
at
that
specific
book
list,
that's
one
that
Clara
put
together,
but
on
the
yellow
sheet
there
are
some
book
recommendations
for
me,
yeah
and
of
those
that
I
can
speak
to
you.
The
gift
of
healing
herbs
I
like
that
book,
a
lot
because
it's
mostly
it's
someone
who's
been
in
clinical
practice
for
like
thirty
years
and
she's,
mostly
tallying,
giving
the
information
via
story
which,
for
me,
is
a
as
a
helpful
way
to
integrate.
B
E
B
So
the
kitchen,
the
kitchen
herbalist
on
book,
but
it's
also
in
that
yellow
sheet
that
one
has
half
half
of
it
as
recipes
with
herbs
that
are
easy
to
find
and
the
other
half
is
basic
as
a
materia
medica,
where
it
lists
it
lists
herbs
and
the
conditions
that
they
treat.
So
that
would
be
a
good
starting
place.
Well,.
H
E
E
B
That's
a
pretty
good
rule
of
thumb
and
the
most
poisonous
plant
that
grows
wild.
That
a
lot
of
people
don't
know
about
it
grows.
Definitely
in
Pescadero,
where
I
am
kind
of
everywhere
is
a
poison
hemlock.
So
people
sometimes
mistake
it
for
like
for
wild
carrot.
It
has
that
look
to
it,
but
it's
one.
That's
like
the
deadly
hemlock
that
Socrates
supposedly
you
had
to
take.
So
it's
that's
like
one
of
the
most
poisonous
lamps
that
we
have
growing
around,
but
there's
not
a
lot
that
are
as
poisonous
is
that
yeah
you're.
E
B
It
kind
of
depends
on
what's
going
on,
for
you
too,
and
eyebright
is
a
herb
that
sometimes
used
for
eye
conditions,
and
people
will
do.
I
washes
with
it,
so
you
can
actually
get
a
little
like
cup
in
a
natural
food
store
where
you
basically
make
a
tea,
and
you
kind
of
wash
your
eye
on
it.
So
chamomile
and
eyebright
are
two
herbs.
If
it's
something
that's
structural,
it's
gonna
be
hard.
You
work
with
it
with
herbs.
If
it's
about
the
shape
of
the
eye,
that's
going
to
be
something
that's
harder
to
treat
with
herbs.
B
B
B
B
So
inflammation
as
it
really
it
stars
right
us
or
just
inflammation
and
general
uh-huh,
one
of
the
great
anti-inflammatory
herbs
out
there
is
turmeric
is
super
anti-inflammatory.
It's
really
helpful
for
arthritis
specifically
and
with
turmeric.
You
can
get
some
good
quality
fresh
turmeric
too,
on
the
market.
You
can
also
get
tablets
of
powder
turmeric
like
capsules.
Unfortunately,
you
kind
of
need
to
get
the
expensive
ones.
So
if
you
go
to
a
health
food
store-
and
you
see,
turmeric
capsules
I
would
get
the
higher
grade
ones.
B
B
Yeah
mm-hmm
another
folk
herbal
remedy
that
I
read
about
recently
for
arthritis
is
taking
a
little
bit
of
apple,
cider,
vinegar
every
day
and
water
I
think
with
honey
as
well,
and
that
thought
is
a
folk
remedy
that
some
folks
find
to
be
effective
and
then
also
just
using
topicals
for
the
pain
like
a
CBDs
of
it's
one.
That's
generally
in
the
strongest.
We
also
we
have
a
stab
that
also
has
mugwort
in
it,
and
comfrey
and
hops,
like
that.
B
I
I
B
Don't
know
of
laboratories
to
send
to
you,
I,
would
say
it'd
be
a
matter
of
like
sourcing
it
from
places
that
you
trust
in
the
first
place.
I
think
that
generally
mountain
rose
herbs
is
one
of
the
bigger
suppliers
and
Pacific
botanicals.
Those
are
two
kind
of
large-scale
suppliers
in
the
US
that
are
organic
and
they
have
good
reputations.
They
are
doing
a
lot
of
importation
like
I
was
speaking
to,
but
they
also
will
say
what's
been,
Pacific
botanicals
themselves
grow
a
lot
of
what
the
herbs
that
they
sell.
B
G
B
J
B
The
herbs
try
what's
the
best
way,
to
try
and
store
the
herbs.
There's
a
few
different
methods.
You
could
you
like
that
you're
harvesting
from
your
own
garden?
Is
that
you
could
you
could
kind
of
you
can
eat,
make
like
a
drying
rack?
That's
basically
a
picture
frame
that
has
like
screen
material
on
it
and
you
can
hang
it
there
or
you
can
take
basically
a
hanger
and
with
clothespins,
just
dry
the
herbs
that
way
what
other
way.
B
Whatever
way
it'll
have
like
good,
airflow
good
circulation,
and
then
you
want
to
dry
them
out
of
the
direct
Sun.
Sometimes
people
get
confused
because
they
think
I
want
to
dry
the
thing
the
fastest
way
to
dry.
It
is
to
put
it
in
a
sunny
window,
but
that
will
actually
take
some
of
the
nutrients
and
the
properties
out
of
the
plants.
So
it's
good
to
do
it
in
like
a
dark
place.
B
Sometimes
people
use
food
dehydrators
on
a
low
setting
or
even
in
your
oven,
on,
like
a
super
low
like
warm
setting,
you
can
put
the
herbs
on
a
sheet
and
and
dry
them
that
way
and
then
store
them
like
glass.
Stars
are
best
if
you
have
them
or
ziplock
bags
to
you
could
just
anything
that
is
like
airtight
they're
gonna
keep
the
longest.
That
way.
J
B
K
C
K
B
Thank
you
for
your
question.
Mother
work
is
a
really
great
herb
for
lowering
blood
pressure.
It's
a
heart
tonic
and
it's
an
anti-anxiety
and
it's
one
specifically
that's
good
for
blood
pressure
that
that
spikes,
when,
when
stress,
is
happening,
it's
a
really
lovely
plant.
It
also
kind
of
gives
a
sense
of
being
like
it's
a
mother
where
it's
like
sense
of
being
held.
B
Yeah
chamomile
is
actually
a
really
great
one
for
that.
It's
good
for,
like
kids,
who
are
at
amped
Ramin,
but
it's
also
good
for
adults
who
are
doing
their
own
version
of
having
a
tantrum.
It's
just
like
is
very
soothing
and
really
good
for
general
irritability,
I
think
milky.
Oats
is
a
nice
one
for
that
and
the
oats
the
picture
that
I
showed
it's
just
it's
just
like
a
soothing
calming
tonic
that
can
kind
of
ease
things
overall
and.
B
H
F
Thank
you
much.
The
great
talk,
I
have
a
question:
do
you
have
any
herb
that
you
recommend
for
bronchial
a
somatic
condition
triggered
by
like
smoke
or
something
like,
for
example,
lately
with
all
the
fires
you
know,
I
have
some
condition
which
is
triggered
by
smoke.
Yeah.
Is
there
any
herb
or
something
you
can
do?
You
know
curanto
basis,
mm-hmm
the.
B
Molen
that
I
talked
about
is
one
that
can
be
really
helpful
for
that
for
helping
helping,
if
you
know
that
you're
exposed
and
it's
one
that
you
can
kind
of
take
daily
to
to
prevent
asthma
attacks
as
much
and
to
help
heal
the
lungs
themselves.
There
are
some
herbs
that
are
more
helpful
for
like
acute
situations.
B
So
it's
one
that
you
want
to
be
pretty
careful
about
I'm,
just
doing
really
low
quality
quantity
and
it's
kind
of
hard
to
find
on
the
market.
For
that
reason,
but
that
is
one
that,
if
someone's
feeling
a
tack
coming
on
can
be
useful,
elderberry
like
I
showed,
is
one
that
has
an
affinity
for
the
lungs
so
using.
That
can
sometimes
be
helpful
too.
F
D
B
B
B
I
would
say
if
you're
really
I
would
say
yeah,
maybe
2
cups
a
day
and
with
the
roots
you
want
to,
instead
of
just
pouring
hot
water
over
them,
you
actually
want
to
simmer
them
in
the
hot
water,
because
they're
harder
to
break
down
than
leaves
so
you're
gonna
simmer
them
for
about
20
minutes
a
half
hour
to
get
all
the
medicine
out
of
them
and
drink
them.
That
way,
thank.
B
How
are
they
look
how
to
lower
information?
Yeah
yeah?
We
were
just
talking
about
turmeric,
being
a
really
great
one,
turmeric
root,
Oh
being
a
really
good
one,
and
you
could
mix
that
in
with
the
herbs
that
your
submarine.
So
if
you
have
like
burdock
root
and
dandelion
root
on
the
stove
ginger
is
anti-inflammatory
to
you,
give
it
ginger
and
turmeric
in
there
and
then
that
would
be
a
delicious
tea
and
it
would
also
help
with
the
liver
and
help
with
inflammation
and.
B
We
teach
classes
at
steadfast,
so
if
you
go
to
a
fast
herbs,
calm
or
website,
the
first
thing
gets
on
the
first
page.
There's
a
point
where
you
could
put
in
your
email
and
we'll
add
you
to
our
list.
We
only
assigned
emails
like
four
times
a
year
five
times
a
year,
not
a
lot,
but
we
announce
when
we
have
classes
and
so
we're
yeah
we'll
be
teaching
some
at
the
farm
and
Pescadero.
Thank.
B
F
B
We
would
never
work
because
everyone
wants
to
or
the
baby
animals
so
it's
closed
to
the
public,
but
there
are,
we
do
have
workdays,
probably
going
to
start
to
have
them
once
a
month
in
the
spring
and
summer,
where
you
don't
have
to
work.
If
you
can
just
come
and
see
or
we're
open
for
workshops
to
you.
Okay,
this.
G
B
D
B
G
B
B
Sometimes
people
will
just
kind
of
like
copy
paste
from
each
other's
like
medicine,
blogs
and
things
like
that.
We're
going
to
came
up
with
this
in
the
first
place,
and
now
it's
repeated
so
I
would
definitely
cross-reference
like
you
can
use
it
for
a
Dean
somewhat,
but
I
would
like
cross-reference
it
with
a
published
book.
Oh
cuz,
my
recommendations
for.
B
G
G
A
B
B
Volunteers,
yeah
we're
gonna
start
to
have
more
regular
workdays
volunteer,
workdays,
probably
once
a
month.
So
if
you
sign
up
on
our
the
email
list
online,
then
we'll
send
down
announcements
about
the
workdays
mm-hmm
yeah
and
we'll
have
like
lower
impact.
You
know
we'll
have
like
until
weeding
or
seed
planting
tasks
to
like
digging
we'll
have
a
whole
spectrum,
and
also
people
are
welcome.
It's
also
just
gonna
be
open
houses
where
people
are
welcome
to
just
walk
around
to
you
and
have
access
to
the
garden
yeah.
B
D
H
B
Bay,
especially
california
bay,
is
very
strong,
so
it's
one
that
I've
used
mostly
just
as
a
steam.
So
if
you
have
like
clogged
sinuses,
you
can
put
it
in
a
like
pour
boiling
water
into
a
bowl
crumble
up.
Some
bay
leaves
put
your
face
under
a
towel
over
the
bowl
and
you'll.
Get
that
steam
to
help
with
the
congestion.
I
know
that
it's
a
plant
that
the
Ohlone
and
some
other
Native
Nations
did
use
medicinally,
and
it's
one
that
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
familiarity
with
aside
from
the
lake
aromatics
of
it,
yeah.
B
Is
this
and
don't
use
it
if
blank,
because
herbs
are
real
and
they
do
work,
and
so
they
are
working
on
a
physiological
level
that
could
be
interacting
with
a
pharmaceutical
or
a
condition
in
a
negative
way.
So
that's
a
really
good
point
to
bring
up
that's
important
to
do
a
little
bit
of
research.
First
yeah.
B
An
expectorant
to
help
get
it
out,
yeah,
there's
a
number
of
herbs
that
are
expectorant
I,
believe
time
is
when
we
were
talking
about
time,
that's
one
that
can
help
you
to
cough
things
up,
and
it
also
depends
on
like
do
you
have
phlegm
in
your
lungs
and
like
what
color
is
it?
It
can
be
like
that
specific.
B
B
B
B
B
K
K
K
B
B
Has
this
information
been
tested
by
science?
So
the
way
the
ways
that
I've
been
trained
are
both
are
kind
of
in
two
different
schools.
One
is
Western
herbalism,
which
is
kind
of
just
a
term
for
like
a
conglomeration
of
things,
but
it
was
kind
of
came
out
of
the
70s.
There
was
two
main
herbalist
rosemary
glad
star
and
Michael
Moore,
not
the
filmmaker,
but
the
herbalist
make
them
work.
They
kind
of
did
a
little
bit
of
revival
in
the
u.s.
kind
of
when
the
back-to-the-landers
around
kind
of
European
or
bola.
B
Their
practice
and
energetic
herbalism,
which
comes
partly
from
Karen,
is
Choctaw
and
she
was
raised
by
her
elders
in
into
plant
medicine.
So
it's
partly
coming
from
her
tradition
as
a
Choctaw
person
and
also
a
little
bit
combined
with
Western
herbalism
and
the
understanding
of
energetic
herbalism.
Is
that
the
mind
body
and
spirit
are
all
really
interrelated,
which
is
true
and
a
lot
of
different
traditions
and
so
and
to
also
use
kind
of
like
low
dosages
like
use
the
lowest
effective
dose
to
meet
your
needs.
B
John's,
whereas
one
in
part,
because
it's
contraindicated
with
so
many
medications
and
it
became
really
popular
in
the
name
to
use.
So
that's
one
that
there's
like
a
ton
of
studies
on
echinacea
is
one
that
there's
a
lot
of
studies
on
elder
is
one
there's
like
the
study
that
came
out
of
a
hospital
in
Israeli
about
how
it's
more
effective
than
the
flu
shot.
B
The
of
course
it
depends
on
which
flu
shot
gets
made
that
year,
but
so
there
are
some
plants
that
have,
but
there's
just
not
a
lot
of
money
and
research.
For
this,
and
and
so
like,
and
also
talking
about
how
a
lot
of
pharmaceuticals
like
40
percent,
are
derived
from
plant
material
like
they're,
obviously
doing
the
research
on
those
plants
to
extract
that
constituent
make
that
compound,
but
whether
that's
publicly
accessible
that
kind
of
research
I,
don't
know
and
I,
think
the
university
is
not
really
studying
it.
That
much
yeah.
C
B
The
well
that
radio
show
that
I've
talked
about
herbal
highway
is
a
great
way
if
you
just
want
a
free
educate.
You
know
access
a
podcast,
some
really
great
for
yerba
l'éducation.
That
would
be
a
good
place
to
start
checking
books
out
of
the
library
and
then
I
put
in
there
some
places
where
you
can
take
just
like
one
workshop
or
a
weekend
workshop
they're,
all
more
like
East
Bay,
so
they're
a
little
bit
far
from
here,
but
I'm,
there's
I'm
sure
that
there's
people
practicing
and
teaching
in
Silicon
Valley
as
well.
B
B
What
is
lavender
for
uhm
lavender
is
super
antimicrobial
antibacterial
antifungal.
So
it
comes
from
the
word
to
wash
the
Latin,
so
it's
often
used
for
cleaning
things.
It's
also
really
helpful
in
stagnant
depression
to
to
kind
of
like
also
wash
out
the
mind
a
little
bit
and
it
can
be
calming
for
some
folks
and
it
can
be
actually
a
little
bit
stimulating
for
other
people.
So
there's
kind
of
this
idea
that,
like
lavender,
is
always
calm
me
and
I.
B
I
B
Medicine
Moringa,
it's
used
in
a
lot
of
different
traditions,
I
have
a
neighbor
and
co-worker
who
ain't
who's
from
Oaxaca,
and
he
he
gave
us
a
plant
and
it's
used
from
pizzas
as
like,
not
like
a
Carol,
but
it's
used
for
like
a
lot
of
different
conditions.
It's
not
one
that
I
was
trained
in
or
that
I'm
super
familiar
with,
but
it
does
show
up
in
a
lot
of
different
ancestral
traditions
and
I.
Think
is
used
for
a
lot
of
things,
but
I'm
personally,
not
educated
and
its
uses.
B
B
I
have
to
like
sometimes
that
question
as
well,
because
it's
I
there's
a
lot
of
kind
of
training
that
I
have
to
overcome
around
these
things.
But
people
will
come
up
to
us
at
the
farmers
market
and
be
like
it's.
The
strangest
thing
I
like
bought
your
sleep,
support,
tincture
and
then
I've
been
sleeping
really
well,
like
I,
don't
understand
it.
B
And
it
works
so
if
you're,
not
if
you're
like
lucky
enough
to
like
grow
up
with
herbs
in
your
life
and
to
know
their
power,
that's
awesome!
But
if
you're
near
to
this
lick
it
is.
There
is
a
little
bit
of
a
learning
curve
or
it
can
take
someone
a
like
a
while
to
believe
in
that.
If
that
wasn't
the
belief
system
that
you
were
given
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
you
know
yeah.
So
it's
not
fast
herbs.
B
We're
at
three
farmers
markets
right
now,
we're
at
the
Santa
Cruz
one
on
Wednesdays,
we're
at
the
Ferry
Plaza
Farmers
Market
in
San
Francisco
on
Saturdays
and
the
Berkeley
farmers
market
on
Saturdays
and
we're
gonna
try
to
do
the
San
Mateo
farmers
market
next
season
as
well.
So
there's
the
farmers
markets
were
at.
We
also
have
an
online
store
too,
for
so
people
can
get
things
that
way
as
well
yeah,
so
the
yeah
so
steadfast
herbs
calm.