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From YouTube: NASA Speaker Series: Life as an Existential Threat
Description
NASA has landed in Cupertino for a year-long speaker series aimed at educating, motivating, and entertaining the community. The first event in the series was recorded January 22, 2020 at the Cupertino Community Hall.
The first speaker, Jerry Davis, is a former Global NASA Chief Information Security Officer, whose talk is titled "Life as an Existential Threat." He discusses how he overcame the existential threat of life—including extreme poverty, hunger, homelessness, and racism—to become one of the most inspirational security executives today.
A
You
know
I'm,
not
gonna,
really
do
a
background
on
mr.
Jerry
Davis.
He
can
introduce
himself
you'll
find
out.
I
wanted
to
just
tell
you
why
I
invited
him
here
a
couple
of
reasons
and
then
a
little
of
our
history.
So
you
guys
know-
or
maybe
some
of
you
don't
know-
I
grew
up
in
Cupertino
I,
don't
currently
live
here,
but
I
was
from
age
five
when
I
went
away
to
college
and
in
that
period
of
time,
and
it
was
kind
of
a
joke
where
I
used
to
work
at
NASA
I
had
no
idea.
A
There
was
a
NASA
Center
20
minutes.
That
way,
so
part
of
my
thing
is
first
of
all:
if
there's
nobody,
if
people
don't
know,
there's
a
NASA
Center
in
the
Bay
Area
you
now
know,
and
secondly,
we
have
such
a
stem
focused
environment
in
our
community
and
our
schools
are
so
great.
You
know,
NASA
is
always
looking
for
that
next
generation
of
space
explorer,
so
we
I'm
just
here
to
stimulate
the
learning
and
confirm
my
philosophy
of
continuous
learning
and
kind
of
kind
of
create
a
different
environment
and
a
different
perspective
within
cupertino.
A
It's
such
a
great
city.
We
should
be
talking
to
all
of
our
different
partners
and
everybody
to
be
speaking
so
I
was
just
talking
with
us
this
nice
lady.
Here
we
have
a
program
that
is
this
whole
year,
the
NASA
speaker
series,
and
once
we
lock
down
one
more
date,
I'll
be
able
to
publish
the
whole
thing,
so
you
can
see
the
dates
and
times
of
all
of
those
all
of
those
talks
in
the
coming
year.
So
I
thank
Gerry
for
kicking
this
series
off.
A
So
a
couple
a
little
bit
about
Jerry
and
I
Jerry
and
I
used
to
work
at
NASA.
Together
he
was
the
chief
information
officer
at
NASA,
Ames
and
I
was
the
something
called
the
associate
center
director.
No
one
will
know
what
that
means.
It
just
means
the
city
manager
for
Ames
Research
Center,
as
it
turns
out
right.
A
You
know
afterwards,
Jarrell's
is
going
to
talk
for
like
for
the
first
45
minutes
to
an
hour.
You'll
have
plenty
of
opportunity
to
ask
questions.
He
is
a
cyber
security
professional.
So
there's
lots
of
questions
about
his
professional
expertise.
I
invite
people
to
come
up
to
the
mic
here
to
to
you.
Ask
him
those
questions,
I'm
so
happy
to
see
a
lot
of
students
here,
definitely
time
for
that
as
well,
so
the
coordination
with
the
schools
turned
out.
So
please
join
me
in
welcoming
mr.
Jerry
Davis.
B
B
B
It's
about
my
path
of
where
I've
been
and
where
I've
come,
from
and
and
and
kind
of
where
I
am
today
and
and
and
how
I
got
there
and
things
that
influenced
me
to
help
me
get
to
you
to
where
I
am
we
just
celebrated,
hopefully
mostly
just
celebrated
Martin
Luther
King's
birthday
a
couple
of
days
ago,
and
you
know
he
was
a
absolutely
a
phenomenal
individual.
You
know
everything
from
a
Nobel
Peace
Prize
to
doctorate
and
civil
rights
leader
and
had
a
really
profound
effect
on
my
life.
B
B
It's
not
often
that
you
get
to
live
your
dreams
and
one
of
my
dreams
had
been
to
work
at
NASA.
One
of
my
dreams
had
also
been
to
work
at
Central,
Intelligence
Agency.
What
I
had
an
opportunity
to
do
that?
The
interesting
thing
about
all
of
this
is
that
in
livingmydream,
the
the
statistics
say
from
where
I
come
from.
In
my
background
in
my
life
is
I
shouldn't
even
be
here,
statistically
speaking
again
from
my
background
in
the
environment
that
I
grew
up
in
I
was
supposed
to
be
dead
or
incarcerated
by
time.
B
So
let's
just
talk
about
a
little
bit
sort
of
my
background
and
and
a
family
side
when
I
was
a
lot
younger.
That's
me
and
my
three
brothers
above
there
that's
Martin
Luther,
King,
jr.,
Center
I'm
from
South
Bend
Indiana
and
if
any
of
you
have
heard
softening
the
island
in
the
news
of
late,
that's
where
mayor
Pete,
beauty,
judges
from
same
city,
same
exact
place
this
picture
at
the
bottom.
That's
me
I'm
the
real
handsome
one
in
the
middle
little
guy
in
the
middle
as
your
fiction,
a
picture
to
the
right.
B
That's
my
middle
brother
Dwayne
who's
about
a
year
older
than
me
and
in
a
taller
guy.
That's
my
oldest
brother,
Michael,
I,
say
humble
beginnings,
because
Hubble
is
just
another
way
of
saying
poor.
You
know
where
you
live
this
environment,
but
it's
kind
of
funny
when
you're
poor
and
everybody
around
you're
poor.
You
don't
realize
that
you're
poor
right,
you
don't
understand
it
at
all.
You
have
no
concept
of
it,
but
as
kids
you
know
we
grew
up.
B
We
were
probably
about
southbend
is
probably
you
know,
20
30
miles
or
so
from
Gary
Indiana,
and
this
is
at
the
same
time
there's
a
real
famous
family
from
Gary
Indiana
right,
the
Jacksons
right,
Michael
Jackson,
the
Jackson
5,
and
so
that
picture
that
was
taken
there.
That
was
a
around
Easter,
probably
about
1973-74,
or
something
like
that
and
I.
Remember,
because
the
jacksons
was
such
a
such
a
big
family
in
the
music
industry.
We
thought
that
we
could
be
the
like:
the
Jackson,
5
us
or
her
own
singing
group
and
ask
for
things.
B
So
we
were
wear.
These
suits
all
the
time
that
we
got
for
Easter
and
tried
to
sing,
and
we
thought
we'd
have
a
recording
album
one
day.
Well,
you
see
how
that
that
turned
out
didn't
turn
out
so
so
great,
but
the
effect
of
Martin
Luther
King
or
dr.
King
on
my
life.
It
really
started
with
that
with
that
Center
that
you
see
and
the
picture
above,
and
that
was
a
sinner
that
was
as
a
community
center
that
was
set
up
in
South
Bend.
B
It's
still
there
that
really
kept
us
out
of
harm's
way
kept
us
out
of
trouble.
It
gave
you
activities
to
do
and
things
to
do
in
the
afternoons
in
the
summer,
but
one
of
the
big
things
that
it
did
was
in
the
summer
times
it
fed
you,
low-income,
kids
and
low
camp
become
families.
You
could
go
there
and
you
can
eat
during
the
breakfast
and
lunch.
They
would
serve
every
day
during
the
summer,
and
I
can
remember
being
a
little
kid
and
in
the
mornings
they
would.
B
There
was
this
bill
that
would
ring
and
all
the
kids
would
come
running
out
of
the
houses
were
running
down
an
alley
to
go
and
get
this.
This
free
lunch
eating
or
industry
breakfast,
and
then
you
could
stay
there
all
day
and
you
play
tennis
and
play
basketball
and
it
really
just
kept
you
off
the
streets.
And
then
you
do
the
same
thing
around
lunch.
It
didn't
even
any
times
you're,
usually
at
home,
with
your
families.
B
When
I
was
about
5
years
old,
my
mother
left
South
Bend
and
moved
to
Southern
California.
It
was
her
feeling
that
her
children
were
not
gonna
survive
in
South,
Bend
Indiana.
If
she
stayed
there,
so
she
moved
here
to
California
to
make
things
better
for
us,
my
mother,
by
time
she
was
19
years
old,
already
had
three
boys
and
my
cousin
I
got
a
cousin
who's
about
a
year
younger
than
me
that
lived
with
us
as
well.
B
So
it's
really
kind
of
four
of
us,
and
so
my
mom
had
moved
away
and
we
stayed
with
the
matriarch
of
the
family,
which
was
my
grandmother.
Her
name
is
Bernice
what
we
called
her
called
her
Nita
and
she
was
very,
very
strong,
strong,
strong
hand
and
very
much
kept
us
in
line
in
an
order.
We
were
latchkey
kids.
She
worked
three
jobs
during
the
day,
two
or
three
jobs.
She
was
a
cook.
She
was
on
her
feet
all
the
time,
but
just
a
phenomenal,
phenomenal
lady.
B
She
didn't
tolerate
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
nonsense
and
she
couldn't
because
we
were
just
you-
know
four
kids
kind
of
living
in
a
house.
We
were
like
home
alone
on
ourselves
all
the
time,
and
so
she
didn't
tolerate
a
lot
of
knobs
as
one
of
her
favorite
sayings.
As
always,
you
know,
if
you
don't,
if
you
don't
do
what
I
say,
if
you
don't
come
and
do
what
I
tell
you
to
do,
I'll
beat
the
black
off
of
you.
B
Multiple
jobs
was
to
one
day
owner
her
own
home,
and
so
she
worked
and
worked
and
work
and
my
grandmother
was
always
kind
of
in
ill
health,
but
she
fought
through
it
and
she
worked
that
she
did
it
largely
for
the
kids.
She
always
wanted
us
to
have
our
own
bedrooms
and
in
a
home
that
we
can
come
home
to
and
really
call
our
own
home.
We
slept
in
you
know
and
in
our
bedroom
I
remember.
B
There
was
two
Bad's
and
me,
and
one
brother
slept
in
one
bed
and
my
other
brother
and
cousin
slept
in
another
bed
and
we're
all
kind
of
squished
up
and
that's
just
kind
of
how
how
life
was
my
dad
was
around
kind
of
it
kind
of
in
and
out
of
my
life
and
my
his
mother
I
have
a
grandmother.
They
lived
on
the
other
side
of
town,
so
we
had
a.
B
The
excitement
of
we
finally
own
our
own
home,
and
the
interesting
thing
is
that
there
was
a
little
contention
between
my
grandmother
and
my
dad's
side
of
the
family.
South
Bennett
at
that
time
was
was
still
very
segregated
and
in
the
community,
where
my
grandmother
had
bought
the
house
was
in
a
predominantly
white
neighborhood
and
so
the
the
folks,
my
own,
my
my
dad's
side
of
family
were
saying.
You
know
you
probably
shouldn't
buy
a
house
over
there.
Shouldn't
live
in
that
in
that
neighborhood.
There's
no
people
like
us
there's
little
black
people
over
there.
B
It's
really
segregated,
but
my
grandmother
wanted
a
better
place
for
us
to
live.
So
she
got
this
house
and
I.
Remember
like
it
was
yesterday
I,
remember,
moving
everything
into
the
house
and
running
through
it
and
seeing
the
bedrooms
and
seeing
how
happy
my
grandmother
was
and
my
brothers
and
we
had
just
it-
was
just
such
a
joyous
day
that
day
it
was
phenomenal,
and
you
know
after
we
got
everything
moved
in
everything's
in
the
house.
B
B
We
took
off
when
we
went
grocery
shopping
and
you
know
I
remember
as
we
were
coming
back
home
and
we're
going
down
the
street
I
remember
almost
again
like
like
it
was
yesterday,
and
the
thing
is:
is
that
because
of
the
color
of
our
scans
of
people
elected
to
burn
the
house
down
and
I
could
still
remember
it
like
yesterday,
I
can
still
smell
it
when
I
think
about
it.
I
can
still
smell
it.
B
I
remember
looking
at
the
the
look
of
my
grandmother's
face
and
at
that
point,
I'd
never
seen
my
grandmother
cry
ever
never
seen
my
grandmother
cry
and
I
remember
walking
up
in
a
fire
department
where
today
we're
just
standing.
They
said
there
was
nothing
they
can
do.
The
house
is
a
total
loss.
I
can
still
remember
the
the
flames
coming
out
of
the
roof
of
the
house
and
houses
large,
just
just
charred
embers,
and
they
let
us
at
some
point,
walk
up
into
the
entranceway
of
the
house.
B
I
remember
seeing
just
too
big
a
hole
in
the
floor
and
still
can
smell
that
smell
of
the
bird
and
it's
and
it's
interesting
and
that
it
had
such
profound
effect
on
me
that
it's
not
that
my
smell
any
kind
of
a
saying
would
Bernie.
It's
very
specific.
I
can
very
specific
to
remember
that
particular
smell
of
that
house.
B
Burning
I
still
remember
to
look
on
my
on
my
grandmother's
face
and
and
the
tears
coming
down
her
face,
and
my
grandmother
never
was
able
to
get
a
home
since
then,
and
it
had
a
profound
effect
on
me
for
years.
I
was
deathly,
afraid
of
house
fires,
definitely
afraid
of
house
fires
for
years
and
years
and
years
every
time
I
would
come
home.
B
Let
us
hold
anger
for
that
and
I.
Remember
my
grandmother's
very
clearly
telling
me
and
my
brothers
that
we'd
have
to
forgive
people
for
for
doing
that.
We'd
have
to
forgive
and
I
felt
always
felt
for
for
years
that
my
grandmother
had
every
right
to
be
angry.
She
had
every
right
to
be.
You
know
some
of
a
racist
and
ask
for
anything
against
another
group
of
people.
What
my
grandmother
would
say:
it's
not
everybody.
You
can't
basically
can't
put
everybody
in
the
same
bucket.
This
is
some
a
few
ignorant
people,
but
she's,
not
gonna.
B
Let
us
see
shows
you
have
to
give
people,
and
that
was
she
was
a
big
believer
in
a
big
follower
and
she
would
always
talk
about
dr.
King,
and
that
was
one
of
the
the
principles
that
I've
kind
of
kind
of
lived
behind
is
about
forgiveness
and
when
he
says
we
must
develop
and
maintain
the
capacity
to
forgive.
These
are
things
that
I've
taken
with
me
everywhere.
That
I've
worked
is
about
this
attitude
of
forgiveness,
and
my
grandmother
held
that
very
very
near
and
dear
for
years
and
I
always
felt.
B
B
At
this
point
you
know
we
had
moved
around.
I
lived
with
my
other
grandmother
for
a
while.
We
lived
through
some
different
places.
We
were
able
to
slowly
kind
of
get
back
on
your
feet
and
at
this
point,
I'm
at
the
point
where
I'm,
probably
about
ten
years
old
or
so,
and
it
was,
is
about
time.
They're
gonna
reunite
us
with
my
mother
and
my
mother
is
in
in
California,
and
so
my
mother
had
to
set
up
a
home
for
us
in
Southern
California
and
had
sent
for
us
and
I.
B
Remember
it
very,
very
clearly
leaving
stopped
being
in
the
middle
of
the
night.
One
of
my
my
aunts,
good
friends,
picked
us
up
and
drove
us
into
Illinois's,
where
I
stayed
with
my
great-grandparents
for
a
few
hours
and
then
a
great
uncle
came
and
took
us
to
or
her
airport,
and
that
was
the
first
time
I
had
ever
gotten
on
an
airplane.
B
But
it
was
in
the
middle
of
night
and
they
did
that
because
my
mother
and
they
read,
was
afraid
that
if
my
father
found
out
that
he
would
stop
things
and
keep
us
there
in
soft
bed,
and
so
just
like
a
good
spy
novel.
We
were
spirited
out
of
South
Bend
in
the
middle
of
the
night
and
several
hours
later
in
California,
my
oldest
brother
Michael,
he
was
you
know
we
were
all
close
to
my
grandma,
but
he
was
extremely
close
to
my
grandmother,
so
he
decided
to
stay.
B
He
didn't
want
to
leave
my
grandmother,
and
so
he
decided
to
stay
with
her.
She
had
moved
to
Illinois.
At
that
point
he
decided
that
he
was
gonna
stay
with
her
for
a
little
while
and
eventually
he
joined
about
a
year
year
and
a
half
later
in
California
my
grandmother.
We
could
never
get
her
to
move.
She
would
not
leave
Illinois's,
that's
where
her
parents
were
that's
kind
of
where
she
grew
up
and
she
decided
to
stay
there.
We
always
stayed
in
very,
very
close
touch.
B
Things
were
great
1978
I
moved
to
Southern,
California
I
go
to
a
private
school,
my
mom
was
doing
really
well
and
she
gets
she
gets
married
to
another
gentleman,
and
things
were
going
really
well.
They're.
Both
educators
and
life
life
was
good,
and
but
it
didn't
stay,
it
didn't
stay
good
for
long.
It
started
to
getting
really
really
tough.
B
We
had
a
couple
of
dollars
to
pay
on
bills
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
I
remember
that
it
was
a
picture
like
this.
That
I
saw
I
remember
looking
at
refrigerator
one
day
and
it
was.
It
was
completely
completely
empty
and
I
want
to
tell
you
something.
If
you
about
hunger,
hunger
is
a
very
motivating
force,
it
was
it's
extremely
motivating
force
and
I.
Remember
like
that
debt,
deep!
You
ever
get
that
deep
hunger
feeling.
B
You
know,
imagine
that
for
a
handful
of
days,
where
you're
just
so
hungry
you
don't
you
don't
know
what
to
do,
and
my
mom
always
tried
to
do
something.
One
of
the
big
things
she
would
do
is
when
she
got
a
couple
of
dollars.
She
would
buy
a
lot
of
lot
of
pinto
beans
and
and
flour,
tortilla
shells
and
I
ate.
Probably
you
know
more
bean
burritos,
then
you
could
shake
a
stick.
B
Actually
she
would
make
them
and
then
she
would
put
him
in
the
freezer
and
it
got
to
the
point
where
we
just
didn't:
have
money
even
for
food
anymore.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
was
up
the
street.
There
was
a
store,
there's
a
safe
waste
store
and
we
figured
out
that
at
certain
times
during
the
week
they
would
throw
out
certain
foods,
particularly
in
the
bakery.
B
They
were,
throw
out
a
lot
of
the
baked
goods,
and
so
we
would
go
into
the
dumpster
behind
the
store
and
take
all
those
old
baked
stuff
out
and
take
it
back
to
the
house
and
then
my
mom.
If
the
if
the
electricity
was
on,
she
would
throw
it
in
a
freezer,
particularly
the
bread
and
that
sort
of
thing,
and
then
we
would.
We
would
eat
that
over
time.
So
be
me
and
my
and
my
brother
and
my
mom's
husband
at
the
time
we'd
go
back
behind
his
store.
B
We'd,
take
all
this
this
food
out
of
out
of
the
dumpsters
and
one
day
we
were
back
there
and
we're
coming
out
of
the
dumpster
and
the
the
guy.
He
had
the
big
rack
of
bradsy
throat
and
he
went
back
in
well.
He
was
coming
back
out
with
another
rack
and
I,
remember
looking
out
and
we're
seeing
this
guy
and
we
just
thought:
okay,
the
gigs
up,
we're
gonna
get
in
trouble
were
going
to
jail
or
whatever
and
I.
Never
and
I.
Still,
you
know
it's
again.
B
It's
one
of
these
things
where
I
remember
this
gentleman's
face.
You
know
this.
Just
white
guy
I
remember
his
face
and
I.
Remember
him
looking
at
us
with
just
disbelief
in
his
face
as
we're
like
coming
out
of
this
out
of
these
trash
cans
out
of
the
dumpsters
and
he's
in
yeah.
He
says
what
do
you?
What
are
you
doing
and
and
I
remember
my
my
mom
says
I'm
saying
you
know:
look
we
don't
have
any
food
we've
been
coming
here
for
a
couple
of
weeks
and
we've
been
taking.
B
You
know
those
things
that
you're
thrown
away
and
I'll.
Never
forget
that
guys.
He
says
you
don't
have
to
do
that.
He
said
you
know
what
he
says.
I'll
tell
you
I'll,
let
you
know
when
I'm
gonna
bring
this
out
and
you
meet
me
and
I'll,
bring
it
out
and
I'll
help
you
put
in
the
car
this
guy.
This
guy
could
lost
his
job
over
this
and
I
and
I.
B
Remember
him
doing
that
he
started
doing
it
every
week
and
any
sort
of
bringing
meats
out
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
a
guy
had
phenomenal
compassion
and
that's
one
of
the
things
also
when
he
talks
about
an
individual
has
not
started
living
until
he
can
rise
above
the
narrow
confines
of
as
an
individual's
concerns
to
the
broader
concerns
of
all
humanity.
Humanity
was
something
again
that
really
resonated
with
me
about
the
compassion
that
this
guy
that
he
had
for
us
for
people.
B
He
didn't
even
know
you
know
three
little
black
kids
climbing
out
of
a
out
of
a
dumpster
and
he
put
his
job
on
a
lie
to
not
just
bring
out
the
old
food
day-old
bakery
but
started
bringing
out
meats
and
that
sort
of
thing
eventually.
Eventually,
things
got
worse,
all
right
so
we're
in
the
house,
and
we
can
no
longer
stay
in
a
house
and
and
they've
taken
the
cars
and
that
sort
of
thing.
At
this
point
I'm
home
school,
we
had
been
homeschooled
for
a
number
of
years.
They
came
and
it's
just
a
car.
B
B
I'll,
never
forget
and
the
wind
went
whip
through
and
my
mom
and
her
husband
and
he
had
a
daughter
that
was
the
same
age
as
me.
They
had
a
little
camper
that
he
had
borrowed
from
a
friend
a
little
fifth
wheel
that
they
pulled
in
and
it
was
pretty
old.
They
stayed
in
there
and
I.
Remember
just
laying
there
at
night
and
wondering
you
know
where's.
The
next
bill
gonna
come
from
where
what
are
we
gonna
do
what
what
what's
to
become
of
me,
but
I
never
ever
really
lost.
B
You
know
my
way
and
hope,
and
and
in
doing
that,
I
learned
over
time
about
having
humility
now
just
jumps
ahead
years
and
years
and
years
that
one
of
the
things
that
I
did
is
you
know?
That's
that's
my
that's
my
left
forearm
that
you
see
down
there
and
that's
a
tattoo
that
I
got
and
it
just
says
forget
not,
and
then
it
has
as
longitude/latitude
numbers
on
there
gateway
to
humility
and
those
those
numbers
that
you
see
there
if
you
were
to
put
them
into
Google
Earth.
What
they'll
do
is
they'll.
B
Take
you
right
to
where
that
that
blue
pin
is.
It
says
the
Gateway
to
humility,
that's
the
entrance
to
the
park
and
then
what
I
did
was
I
have
a
picture
that
same
exact
picture
and
I
would
take
it
everywhere.
I
went
in
my
career
and
I
would
hang
it
up
and
it
always
remind
me
of
of
remember
where
I
came
from
and
always
be
a
humble
person
and
always
have
humility
and
have
humility
towards
others
and
not
to
just
walk
by
people
and
people.
B
You
never
know
people's
situations
as
an
app
sort
of
thing
and
I've
always
kept
those.
You
know
deep
within
myself,
I
also
carry
it.
You
know
for
me,
I'm
very
much
a
people
person
I
always
say
that
you
know
my
profession
is
around
cybersecurity
and
information
technology,
but
my
real
passion
is
around
people
and
so
I.
You
know
I
wear
it
on
my
sleeves
sometimes,
but
I
try
to
be
extremely
humble
and
try
to
have
a
lot
of
humility.
The
words
that
dr.
B
King
says
that
we
must
speak
with
with
all
the
humility
that
is
appropriate
to
our
limited
vision,
but
we
must
speak,
and
so
I
always
try
to
do
that.
I
always
try
to
learn
through
that,
and
we
stayed
in
that
Park,
probably
for
a
couple
of
weeks
and
interesting
enough,
my
mother
and
her
husband,
you
know
they
were
very
much
involved
at
a
church.
They
were
very
tied
to
a
church
and
the
interesting
thing
that
that
you
know
that
had
an
effect
on
me
was
that
you
know
no
one
came
out
there
to
help
us.
B
B
We
eventually
left
that
park
went
to
my
mom's
friend's
house
and
we
slept
and
we
we
slept
in
her
driveway.
So
me
and
my
brothers
moved
into
the
little
fifth
wheel,
camper
that
sat
in
her
driveway
and
my
mom
and
her
husband
moved
into
her
garage
and
at
that
point
we
worked
to
try
to
get
back
on
our
feet
now
mind
you,
my
my
my
mother's
husband
was.
It
was
a
bright
guy.
Had
a
PhD
in
psycholinguistics
went
to
Berkeley
and
did
graduate
school
down
in
Pomona
colleges.
It
was
like
he
was
a
bright
guy.
B
His
thing
was,
he
didn't
want
to
work
for
anybody,
and
so
he
would
rather
starve
and
be
homeless,
didn't
work
for
anybody.
Well,
he
achieved
that
goal.
We
got
very
hungry
and
we're
very
homeless,
but
eventually
they
came
up
with
a
plan
and
they
started
working
again
and
started
meeting
people
and
we
were
able
to
eventually
move
move
out
of
that
park
and
move
into
a
home.
B
Sometime
later,
as
she
leap
forward
a
number
of
years,
I've
made
my
way
into
to
the
Marine
Corps
and
I'm
kind
of
like
I,
don't
tell
people
I'm
kind
of
like
the
black
Forrest
Gump
I,
said
I'm,
always
just
kind
of
like
falling
into
things.
I
ended
up
in
going
to
the
the
Marine
Corps
Reserves,
because
I
felt
lean
at
the
time
that,
when
I
went
in
that
it
was,
it
would
give
me
something
that
I
could
fall
back
on
because
I'll
tell
you
again
being
hungry.
B
It
was
something
I
never
wanted
to
experience
again
being
homeless
is
something
I.
Never
want
to
experience
again
so
I
figured
if
I
went
into
the
Marine
Corps,
particularly
the
reserves
like
I
could
learn
something
I
was
in
and
out
of,
I
worked
all
time.
I
was
in,
and
out
of,
college
I
was
going
to
Community
College
down
in
Southern,
California
and
eventually
I
made
my
way,
and
at
the
time
you
know,
I
was
a
huge
fan
of
the
Central
Intelligence
Agency
I
wanted
to
be
any
intelligence.
B
Community
I
had
gone
to
the
Gulf,
War
was
decorated,
combat
marine
come
back
and
I
make
my
way.
I
changed
jobs
at
a
Marine,
Corps
and
I
go
into
the
counterintelligence
field
and
I
applied
to
a
Central
Intelligence
Agency.
They
recruited
me
out
of
Southern
California
and
I,
made
my
way
into
central
intelligence
agency
that
that
document
on
the
left
is
is
actually
my
offer
letter
with
my
badge
from
1994.
B
What
I
was
making
a
grand
total
of
something
like
26
thousand
dollars
and
I
packed
up
Southern
California
and
they
moved
me
to
Northern,
Virginia
and
I.
Remember
going
into
my
first
day
at
Central,
Intelligence
Agency
and
when
you
go
at
the
main,
the
main
off
are
the
main
headquarters:
building
there's
a
huge
seal
of
Central
Intelligence
Agency
on
the
floor
and
I.
Remember,
standing,
understand,
I,
remember,
crying
because
again,
I
wasn't
supposed
to
be
there.
Cia
hires
less
than
1%
of
the
people
that
apply
to
that
environment.
B
The
process
was
grueling.
You
know,
I
went
through
eight
hours
of
polygraph
two
years
of
background
investigation.
They
used
to
go,
see
a
psychologist.
They'd
seen
you
see
a
psychiatrist,
they
couldn't
believe
that
I
had
never
done
drugs.
You
know
growing
up
in
Southern,
California
spent
a
harsh
environment
so
had
they
never
believed
they
hadn't
stolen
anything
they
hadn't
killed.
B
Somebody
and
I
made
my
way
now
and
I
remember
standing
on
the
on
their
Great
Seal
and
you
know
in
an
oversight,
suit,
commit
and
have
money
for
for
a
good
suit
and
just
kind
of
tears
rolling
down
my
face
because
I
couldn't
believe
I
thought
I
was
there.
It
was
just
so
surreal
to
me
and
I
made
my
way.
I
remember
going
through
the
main
hall
you
make,
you
make
a
make
a
left
when
you
come
into
the
main
doors
and
you
go
through
the
guard
station.
B
You
take
a
laugh
and
all
the
all
the
directors
there's
oil
paintings
of
all
the
directors
of
Central,
Intelligence,
Agency
and
I
had
been
a
real
intelligence.
Buff,
so
I
knew
everything
that
was
going
on
around
an
intelligence
community
in
terms
of
directors
and
operations
and
a
sort
of
thing
and
I.
Remember
just
one
by
one.
Just
looking
all
directors
and
I
went
to
the
I
went
to
the
library
and
there
was
a
there's,
a
famous
CIA
officer
that
worked
there,
that
he
was
gone
by
time.
B
I
got
there,
but
his
name
was
James,
hey,
Zeus
Angleton
and
he
was
known
for
doing
counterintelligence
work
and
finding
spies
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
kind
of
very,
very
interesting,
individual
and
I
remember
going
and
finding
his
old
office
and
walking
around
and
just
couldn't
believe
that
I
was
there
and
then
the
thing
is
several
years
later.
So
now
you
fast
forward
almost
10
years
later
and
NASA
NASA
calls
and
says:
hey.
Do
you
want
to
be
the
chief
information
security
officer
at
NASA?
B
The
interesting
thing
about
that
is
is
that
in
2003,
so
this
is
2007
in
2003
I
applied
to
the
astronaut
program
and
I
didn't
make
it
obviously,
but
NASA
came
back
and
said
you
know
I
guess,
for
years
later,
as
I
said
as
a
consolation
prize,
I'd
like
to
run
cyber
security
for
all
of
NASA,
I
can
do.
That
sounds
like
something
that
would
be
fun
to
do.
B
But
the
thing
is:
is
that
in
this
these
things
in
life
that
are
supposed
to
tear
you
down
or
potentially
make
your
dreams
and
and
and
everything
that
you
care
about
your
passions
go
away.
I
always
maintain
a
level
of
hope,
always
maintain
a
level
hope,
even
even
when
I
was
a
little
kid
living
in
Indiana
I
had
no
context
of
anything
outside
of
self
in
or
outside
our
environment,
but
I
always
knew
there
was
something
different.
There
was
always
something
else
there
I
just
knew
it.
B
Innately
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
what
that
is,
I,
don't
know
what
you
call
it,
but
I
never
lost
hope
for
these
things
and
my
grandmother
would
never
let
you
lose
hope
for
that.
My
ground
means
to
say
all
the
time
she
used
to
say.
You
know
you
can
be
a
you
know
the
doctor
or
a
lawyer,
any
interview,
she's
playing.
You
know
she
was,
but
but
you
better
not
ever
be
a
thief.
She
thought
I
said:
don't
ever
be
a
thief.
She
was
like
one
thing:
she
goes
icing.
B
I
can't
stand
a
thief
and
I
can't
stand
a
liar
and
it
was
so.
You
know
always
felt
like
I
fulfilled
her
dreams
by
making
it
to
CIA
by
making
it
to
NASA
at
a
time
you
know
when
I
was
at
CIA,
nobody,
you
know
and
ephemerally
knew
what
I
did
right.
I
told
him:
I
did
risk
management
and
I
was
flying
all
over
the
world.
Now.
B
All
of
this
is
I'm,
not
even
30
years
old,
yet
I'm
27,
or
something
like
that
at
this
point,
when
I
got
to
NASA,
I
was
already
a
senior
executive
and
in
the
government
was
a
senior
executive
at
about
36
years
old
and
made
my
when
I
made
my
way
to
NASA
and
I
was
you
know,
my
grandmother
was
so
proud
of
me
when
I
made
it
to
NASA
and
I
was
telling
her
about
it
and
she
would
always
say
well.
Do
you
have
to
go
up
on
a
space
shuttle
right
now,
I?
B
Well,
maybe
one
day
I'll
have
to
go
up
and
fix
something
you
know,
and
and
and
I
really
thought
that
that
was
the
things
that
made
her
most
proud
about
me
and
and
my
brothers
that
went
on
to
do
things
and
and
and
their
own
level
of
successes.
However,
they
they
defined
it,
but
I
always
kept
that
hope
and,
as
especially,
you
know,
we
must
accept
finite
disappointment,
but
never
lose
infinite.
B
Hope
and
I
never
did,
and
these
again
are
some
of
the
things
that
kept
me
moving
forward
and
getting
to
the
positions
whether
it
was
at
NASA
or
other
places
and
where
I
am
today
is
by
kind
of
having
these
use
character,
rictus
and
he's
tracing
these
attributes
that
I
that
I,
never
let
let
go
of
what
is
he
in
there?
This
is
what
the
big
things
as
I
found
overall
was
was
really
about
love.
You
know,
love
for
family
and
friends
and
people
and
really
the
things
that
really
move
me
forward.
B
You
can
speed,
you
know,
or
Michael
Jackson
get
up
there
at
the
top.
Those
are
me
and
my
brothers
that
the
pictures
a
little
old,
but
they
look
pretty
much
the
same
I'm
still
the
best-looking
one
out
of
the
group
I'm
in
a
very
middle
there,
Michael
with
the
big
afro
he's
on
the
right
this
time
in
Dewayne,
my
middle
brother
he's
on
that
he's
on
the
left
there.
The
beautiful
lady
kissed
me
on
the
cheek
is
my
mother.
B
That
was
a
my
wedding
and
in
1995
when
I
was
married
and
at
the
bottom
there
the
laugh
of
me
is
my
grandmother.
Nita
she
passed
away
a
number
of
years
ago
back
in
2009,
that's
the
only
picture
that
I
have
at
her
and
I
the
picture
that,
when
you
walked
into
he
saw
of
me
when
I
was
a
little
kid.
That's
was
up
on
a
screen.
It's
it's
one
of
the
only
ones
I
have
because
everything
all
the
pictures
I
had
were
lost
in
the
fire.
I
have
maybe
three
or
four
pictures.
B
I
have
no
pictures
of
me
and
my
grandmother.
That's
the
only
picture
that
I
have
and
their
lady
to
to
the
right.
There
is
my
aunt
Pat
who
was
much
like
a
mother
to
me
as
well.
She
was
on
the
exfiltration
team
to
help
get
us
out
of
Indiana
into
into
California
and
to
the
right
there.
My
better
half
Colleen
who's
in
here
on
the
right
corner
keeps
me
on
on
the
straight
and
narrow,
but,
as
dr.
King
said,
there
could
be
no
deep
disappointed
where
there
is
not
deep
love.
B
It
sounds
like
really
softy
things,
but
those
are
the
exact
things
that
I
believe
has
helped
me
moved
through
my
career,
whether
professionally
and
and
in
my
own
personal
life
that
I
offer
up
the
people
all
the
time
to
to
use
and
gravitate
to
you
when
we
often
think
about
dr.
King,
often
people
think
of
it
as
a
black-white
thing.
B
It's
it's
so
much
for
us
for
everything
that
he
talked
about
everything
that
he
taught
everything
that
he
preached
was
for
all
of
humankind
and
I
always
had
you
know,
talked
about
all
the
time
you
know
I've,
given
this
talk,
probably
just
sparked
a
fifth
time
over
the
last
four
years
is
that
everybody
should
embrace
doesn't
matter.
You
know
what
your
your
race
or
creed
or
anything
of
that
nature,
but
he
said
these
things
and
visiting
on
the
benefit
of
all
humankind.
B
Wasn't
just
a
just
a
black
or
white
thing,
but
again,
I've
had
all
these
sensors
has
given
me
just
a
real
reflection
on
I
want
to
give
you
a
real
reflection
of
my
life
and
how
these
threats
that
were
out
there.
These
attributes
and
these
principles
are
the
things
that
really
did
help
me
get
through
to
where
I
am
today
and
I've
had
a
just
again,
a
phenomenal,
exciting
career
and
I
look
forward
to
continuing
with
that.
So
I
asked
folks
at
the
end.
B
You
know
a
lot
of
it
is
about
character
and
a
content
of
your
character,
and
the
ultimate
measure
of
a
man
is
not
where
he
stands
in
moments
of
comfort
and
convenience,
but
where
he
stands
at
times
of
challenge
and
controversy
and
I
always
ask
people
when
you
look
inside
yourself,
you
know
what's
the
content
of
your
character.
That
concludes
my
talk.
B
A
C
D
Didn't
know
it's
gonna
be
front
and
center
here
like
thank
you,
but
thank
you
very
much
for
your
inspiring,
autobiography
sure
and
connecting
it
with
dr.
King
sure.
My
question
is
about
training
within
your
life.
You
said
you
went
to
a
community
college
and
then
from
there
into
the
Marines
and
then
from
there
into
the
CIA
and.
B
Absolutely
so
yeah,
so
that
was
in
Community
College
for
quite
a
while
I,
eventually
got
undergraduate
degree
in
business,
with
a
focus
on
IT
security
and
later
got
a
master's
degree
in
network
security
from
a
school.
It's
just
their
program
is
a
National
Security
Agency
center
of
excellent
school
in
Maryland,
and
when
I
was
at
CIA
a
prior
to
CIA
and
a
Marine
Corps,
all
the
training
that
I
got
particularly
around
counterintelligence.
B
F
B
Lot
of
weapons
training,
what
we
call
gates
guards,
alarms
and
that
sort
of
thing,
so
I've
learned
a
lot
about
physical
security
with
the
physical
security
school
down.
There
I
spent
time
as
a
private
investigator,
so
in
between
the
time
be
while
I
was
in
the
reserve
before
CIA
hired
me,
I
was
a
private,
investigator
and
I
got
into
that
job.
B
From
learning
what
I
learned
in
the
Marine
Corps,
so
I
work
for
a
private
investigation,
companies
doing
skip
tracing
people
who
skip
out
and
disappear,
finding
people
finding
hidden
assets
and
things
like
that
and
doing
a
lot
of
what
they
call
SIU
Special
Investigations
Unit.
So
I
did
a
lot
of
Investigations
around
insurance
scams
insurance
fraud
and
that
sort
of
thing
for
that
company
and
again
parlay
that
plus
the
work
I
did
in
the
Marine
Corps.
It
came
in
very
helpful
at
at
CIA
and
finished
up
my
degrees.
At
that
time.
B
It
took
me
eight
years
to
get
my
undergrad
degree.
80
I
could
have
been
a
doctor
by
time.
I
finish
getting
my
undergrad.
My
master's
degree
took
me
a
little
sure.
I
got
my
master's
degree
in
about
11
months
or
something
like
that.
So
yeah
I
sped
through
that
out
I
just
said:
I
wanted
to
get
it
done.
I
got
done
at
about
11
months,
so
yeah
and
I'm
wondering
people
I'm
a
continuous
learner,
I've,
always
learning
stuff.
B
My
coffee
tables
full
of
books,
I'm,
always
picking
up
things,
I'm,
always
I'm,
always
reading
I
read
a
lot
of
leadership,
books
and
I
read
a
lot
of
functional
kind
of
you
know
around
security
and
things
I've
been
always
trying
to
keep
open
my
skillset,
that's
what
I'm
always
doing
something
I'm
actually
taking
a
class
online
next
week
or
next
month,
I'm
sorry
with
MIT
on
artificial
intelligence,
a
machine
learning
in
a
manufacturing
environment.
Just
something
I
wanted
to
learn
something
something
new.
B
So
great
question:
I
was
I
departed
NASA
in
2018
in
July,
2018
I
took
what
they
what's
called
a
deferred
retirement
I
have
enough
time
in
years,
combined
with
my
military
time,
but
not
I'm,
not
old
enough
to
retire
I.
Don't
look
at
look
like
it,
but
I
do
have
two
girls
that
are
30
and
31
years
old,
yeah
I,
look
great,
don't
I!
It's
hard
to
hard
to
maintain
this
yeah.
C
Mr.
Davis,
first
of
all,
thank
you
so
much
for
the
foot
stories
it's
really
moving.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Yeah.
As
you
look
around,
you
see
a
lot
of
young
folks
here.
You
know,
or
you
know,
looking
up
to
you
as
a
role
model,
their
stories
and
your
career
achievements.
What's
the
message
you
would
send
out
to
them,
especially
coming
out
of
adversity
coming
out
of
you
know,
struggles
and
not
having
the
resources
to
pretty
much
being
set
up
for
success.
What's
the
message
you
send
out
to
those
people
yeah.
B
There's
there's
a
there's,
a
term
that
I
use,
but
what
I
talk
to
the
younger
folks
and
I
called
the
persistent
pursuit
of
passion
right
that
you
have
to
have
a
person.
You
have
to
have
this
persistent
pursuit
about
your
passion
and
if
you
have
that
persistent
pursuit
you'll
get
to
where
you
want
to
go,
I
guarantee
it
you'll
get
to
where
you
want
to
go.
I
didn't
always
have
computer
resources
or
things
that
makes
you
remember.
We
went
out
when
I
was
getting.
There
was
no
internet.
B
If
you
could
believe
that
some
of
the
younger
was
probably
like
what
was
he
saying?
What
kind
of
nonsense
is
that
there
was?
There
was
no
internet
and
when
I've
gone
to
other
disadvantaged
communities,
one
of
the
things
I
did
when
I
was
at
NASA
was
I,
would
go
to
disadvantaged
communities
and
and
talk
to
the
kids
in
two
different
schools
and
I
went
to
South
Chicago
to
environments
where
kids
would
never
see
someone
from
NASA
or
never
heard
about
that.
B
Nate
didn't
have
any
access
to
resources,
but
I'm,
like
you
know,
you
don't
have
to
have
a
tablet
or
a
PC
or
phone
I'm
like
you
got
the
library
right.
I
grew
up
going
through
the
library
you
know
and
I
would
took
like
go
to
the
library
latch.
You
want
to
find
yourself
a
mentor,
someone
that
you
really
admire
and
hold
on
to
their
leg
and
make
them
mentor
you
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
I
did
as
well.
B
Is
that
when
I
found
folks
that
I
really
admire
and
I
feel
like
they
could
mentor
me,
I
never
asked
them
to
mentor
me
I
just
made
them.
Do
it
I
just
followed
them
around
I'd.
Ask
them
questions
about
everything,
I'd
hold
onto
their
legs
and
what
they
dragged
me
around
and
that's
how
I
that's
what
that's?
What
I
did
I
co-opted
people
all
the
time
from
a
mentorship
perspective,
but
you
know
they're
there.
If
the
resources
aren't
there,
you
know
electronically
or
digitally.
There
are
other
resources.
B
There
are
tons
of
things
that
we
do,
but
just
about
every
kid
today,
every
school
has
some
like
try
to
resore
dig
in
be
a
self
learner.
When
I
talk
about
the
pursuit
of
passion,
a
lot
of
times,
people
talk
about
motivation
and
they
always
say
my
god.
You
know
my
motivation,
I
don't
have
the
motivation
and
one
of
the
things
I
learned,
particularly
in
the
Marine
Corps
motivation,
has
nothing
to
do
with
it.
What
a
motivation
is
actually
I,
I
kind
of
look
at
it
as
a
bad
word.
B
It's
really
the
discipline
part
of
it
all
right.
You
can
not
be
motivated
and
that
really
shouldn't
mean
anything.
But
if
you
have
the
discipline
about
doing
things
and
pursuing
those
passions,
I
guarantee
you
you'll
get
to
where
you'll
get
to
where
you
want
to
go
guarantee
it
kid,
South,
Bend,
Indiana,
west,
side
projects,
rough
environment,
house
burned
down
just
about
every
one
of
my
uncle's
died,
violently
I
guarantee
you
that
if
you
have
that
dream,
you
have
that
passion
and
you're
persistent
about
it,
get
it
you
get
anywhere,
you
want,
you
can
get
anywhere.
G
Thank
you
very
much
that
was
really
very
impressive
and
extremely
inspiring.
You
know
when
we
look
at
the
whole
nature
versus
nurture
debate
what
you
said,
something
that
was
very
humble
when
you
said
about
your
siblings
and
perhaps
your
cousin,
that
they
have
chosen
their
own
paths
that
are,
you
know,
they've
carved
out
success
based
on
how
they
see
it.
What
would
interest
me
is
given
the
environment
that
you
did
grow
up
in
and
your
grandmother
being
such
a
force
of
nature?
G
B
Absolutely
you
know
more
people
through
role
model.
You
see
it
through
their
actions.
More
than
anything,
my
older,
my
oldest
brother
Michael,
as
a
PhD,
in
divinity
my
younger
brother
middle
brother
Dwayne.
He
spent
most
of
his
career
in
logistics,
but
they're
both
pastors.
They
both
spent
a
tremendous
amount
of
time
working
with
people,
and
it
is
interesting.
My
my
my
mother
does
a
lot
of
the
same
thing:
she's
a
pastor
as
as
well
a
quick
story
when
we
were
living
in
that
in
that
Park
and
we
had
nothing
to
our
names.
B
B
It
will
give
you
the
shirt
off
their
back
and
a
heartbeat
and
a
heartbeat
I'll
give
you
two
sure
off
the
back.
Just
phenomenal
individuals
and
I
I,
often
turn
to
to
my
oldest
brother,
when
I
have
questions
about
things
or
whatever
and
he's
he's
written
some
books
on
emotional
intelligence
and
he
does
a
lot
of
counseling,
and
so
we
have
discussions
about
things
like
that.
But
but
that's
that's
their
lives
all
about
really
helping
people
one
on
on
one
on
one.
B
The
funny
thing
is
this:
this
story
has
many
times
told
they've,
never
heard
it.
They've
lived
it
they've,
never
heard
me
tell
it
and
maybe
they've
said
oh
you're
gonna
speak
I'm
like
ya
know
what
do
you
time?
I
I?
Don't
we
lived
in
the
park
and
everything
they're
like
okay,
you
know,
but
they've
never
heard
the
story,
but
you
know
I
always
say
well
because
they
lived
it
as
well,
but
they've
never
heard
it,
but
my
entire
family
that
our
lives
has
always
been
around
helping
others.
That's
that's
been
my
my
upbringing.
B
B
B
Yeah,
you
know
I
know
I,
don't
really
know
if
if
I
could
teach
someone,
I
can
only
share
my
experiences
right,
like
I
like
when
I,
when
I
came
in
today
and
as
I
said
earlier,
my
real
passion
is
about
people
and
I.
Try
to
reach
people
by
telling
these
these
stories
and
again
and
I've
done
it
through
I've
mentor.
People
from
you
know
really
young
young
kids
all
the
way
up
through
adults
that
were
much
much
older.
B
B
I
spend
a
lot
of
time
kind
of
for
lack
of
a
better
term
preaching
that
one
out
when
I'm
engaging
with
folks
but
I
tell
folks
all
the
time
you
know
and
calling
here's
for
me
always
say
you
know,
don't
sweat
the
small
stuff
and
it's
all
small
stuff.
You
know
my
attitude
is
if
you're
not
bleeding
or
dying,
it's
probably
not
that
big
of
a
deal
you
know
and
again
it
goes
back
to
that
attitude
around
getting
beyond
hope
and
and
having
having
that
passion.
B
Even
when
the
chips
are
down,
it
just
seems
like
an
impossibility.
It
just
got
to
keep.
You
got
to
find
it
within
yourself
to
keep
maybe
forward
and
I
and
I
really
don't
know
other
than
you
know.
You
know
the
picking
up
personality
traits
from
my
grandmother's
or
things
that
she
told
us
directly,
I
kind
of
don't
know
where
it
came
from
within
me
and
I.
Don't
and
my
brothers
they're
the
same
way
they
just
keep
driving
forward.
B
If
we
just
keep
driving
forward
dog
even
when
it
seemed
like
there
was,
there
was
no
hope
you
know,
but
in
my
head
I
just
always
knew
that
just
wasn't
this
wasn't
how
things
were
always
going
to
be
right.
It's
just
gonna,
be
it's!
Maybe
it's
wartime,
and
maybe
for
a
couple
months,
maybe
for
a
couple
years,
but
it's
not
gonna
be
like
this
all
time.
When
I
look
I,
look
back
in
my
life,
I
I
go
wow.
That
was
crazy.
B
That
was
really
crazy,
the
bad
things
and
then
the
crazy
good
things
that
that
came
out
of
that
there's,
not
a
lot
of
people
that
get
to
you
know.
You
know
what
a
folks
sure
that
worked
at
NASA
with
me
and
Deb
that
get
to
talk
about
your
friends,
the
astronaut
right,
you
know
sitting
around
with
astronauts,
and
you
know
Leland
Melvin
astronaut
sent
multiple
multiple
flights.
So
it's
it's!
These
things,
I
look
back
on
and
I
try
to
tell
people.
B
You
know
that
that
all
came
about
from
the
passion
that
I
had
I
wanted
to
working
at
Ellen's
community
I
worked
in
each
other's
community.
I
wanted
to
work
at
NASA
and
I
wanted
to
be
an
astronaut.
They
said
no,
but
you
come
work
for
us
anyway.
He
won't
be
back
twice,
and
so
it
was
it's
just
about
that.
That
passion
helps
I
think
build
that
resiliency.
All
right
you
got
to
have
that
passion
that
kind
of
fire
inside
of
you
and
just
keep
stoking
the
flames.
Just
keep
stoking
the
flames.
It's
it's
not
easy.
B
E
Hiya
human
late
bear
was
able
to
heal
some
of
it.
Some
of
what
you're
speaking
and
what
struck
me
was
your
what
you
said
about
passion
now
years
ago,
say
in
the
late
70s,
when
the
leaders
of
NASA
NASA
had
that
passion,
because
they
had
a
particular
vision
right.
They
wanted
to
launch
a
space
program.
They
were
always
looking
forward
now.
What
is
the
vision
looking
forward
because
it
seems
like
even
in
politics,
we
are
looking
backward,
make
America
great
again,
rather
than
looking
to
the
future.
We
look
to
the
past.
E
E
Can
answer
it
yeah,
because
I've
also
seen
NASA
go
through
its
budgets
cuts
and
you
know
where,
before
you
had
engineers
who
were
willing
to
take
the
positions
at
NASA
at
less
than
the
industry
average,
simply
because
you
were
motivated
by
vision
by
passion,
like
you
say,
but
I,
not
sure.
If
the
those
incentives
are
there
now
yeah.
B
B
You
know
we're
at
the
realm
of
politics,
and
it
just
depends
on
which
administration
and
administration's
goals
and
that
sort
of
thing
on
how
how
that
passion
looks
how
it
stoked
all
those
flavours,
totes
or
if
the
past
looks
like
it's
dined
out.
I
know
individually,
you
go
to
each
NASA
Center
and
there
is
a
tremendous
amount
of
people
that
are
work.
B
Hi
engineers,
highly-skilled
researchers
highly
skilled
scientists
that
are
working
for
a
tenth
of
what
they
could
be
making
in
in
their
in
the
rest
of
the
world,
and
they
do
it
because
they
do
it
because
of
passion.
You
know
they
do
it.
They
know
they're,
not
gonna,
get
rich
working
at
NASA,
but
they
love.
They
love
I,
think
they
do
it
because
one
day
they
love
NASA.
You
know
they
love
it
and
and
they
love
the
country.
You
know,
and
it's
it's
their
passion
to
work
in
here.
B
Most
people
that
worked
at
NASA
when
I
was
particularly
at
Ames.
That's
the
only
place
they
had
ever
worked
in
their
entire
lives.
They
had
no
concept
of
anything
else.
Deb
fain,
oh
yeah,
you
know
so
you
know
I
would
say:
there's
there's
a
there's,
a
kind
of
an
outward
perception
about
passion
and
what
it
may
look
like
outwardly,
but
internally
I
think
there's
there's
a
lot
of
passion
there
and
and
and
some
people
may
say,
hey,
you
know
NASA's
not
on
on
track
or
the
country's,
not
on
track.
B
One
thing
I,
you
know
from
a
guy
who
was
in
the
Marine
Corps
and
ran
across
the
deserts
of
Saudi
Arabia
and
in
Kuwait
were
such
a
resilient
country,
we're
very
resilient
country
and
and
if
I
could,
if
I
didn't,
have
bad
knees
and
a
bad
neck
and
and
a
bunch
of
other
things
wrong
me.
If
they
told
me
asked
me
to
go
back
and
run
across
the
desert
or
Saudi
Arabia
again
I'd.
B
Do
it
I'd,
do
it
I'd,
do
it
in
a
heartbeat,
I
hope
they
don't
ask
me,
though,
but
you
know
I
can't
say
much
more
about
that.
It's
just
there's,
there's
there's
perceptions
around
it
and
I
think
you
have
to
kind
of
be
internally
to
really
understand
that
that
ecosystem
of
NASA
and
politics
and
asteroid
and
they're
very
very
difficult
things
to
understand.
It
probably
didn't
answer
your
question,
but
it's
it's!
It's
a
it's
a
tough
one.
To
answer!
It's
a
good
question:
it's
a
tough
one
to
answer.
H
B
Think
I
think
for
me,
as
is
as
I
said
earlier,
is
learning
right.
I'm
always
like
so
Jonathan
was
one
of
the
one
of
the
guys
I
sorted
mentoring
years
ago,
he's
a
he's,
a
NASA
civil
servant,
but
he
started
off
there
as
an
intern
and
there's
for
a
while.
He
was
an
unpaid
intern
and
he
just
kept
coming
back.
He
a
lot
of
passion,
kept
coming
back.
B
No
pay
and
I've
been
working
with
him
for
a
few
years
now,
but,
as
I
said
earlier,
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
you
could
really
look
at
is
what
I
said
about
education
all
right
and
when
we
sit
down.
I
talked
about
that
all
time
you
always
wanted
to
be
ever
since
I
was
a
kid
I.
I
was
I
was
a
voracious
reader.
Both
my
brother,
we
all
read
all
the
time.
My
mom
is
a
big
reader.
I.
B
Was
that
weird
kid
at
read
the
dictionary
encyclopedias
I
still
do
I
still
do
I'm
I'm,
not
an
attorney
by
any
stretch
of
imagination,
but
I
love.
Reading,
Black's
Law
Dictionary,
which
Colleen
bought
me
for
wasn't
my
birthday
yeah.
She
bought
me
a
big
thing,
but
because
I'm,
a
weirdo
and
I,
just
like
reading
and
learning
things
but
I
think
that
the
big
thing
is
like
you'll
see
me
consistently
disciplined
about
learning
and
and
always
being
a
continuous
student.
B
Always
you'll
always
see
me
reading
some
picking
up
something
learning
something
new
getting
into
areas
of
things
that
I
know
nothing
about
and
and
and
doing
fairly
well
with
it
in
just
a
matter
of
months.
My
my
last
job
after
I
left
NASA,
was
in
a
semiconductor
environment,
never
worked
in
semiconductors.
B
My
entire
career
didn't
ever
think
I'd
work
in
semiconductors,
but
when
I
got
into
it
jumped
into
it
at
a
hundred
miles
an
hour
right
here,
think
I
could
about
and
got
I
think
pretty
proficient
about
it
in
a
short
order
of
time
about
six
months
till
a
lot
of
don't
know
about
it.
But
it's
not
education.
If
you
haven't
begun,
one
thing
I
tell
folks
is
like
stay
up
on
education
and
learning
about
things.
F
So
I
read,
those
lovely
quotes
you
had
from
dr.
King
and
he
was
a
follower
of
Mahatma
Gandhi
and
Matt
Matt
Gandhi.
Okay,
so-
and
he
was
a
he's
before
he
was
a
follower
of
non-cooperation
and
non-violence
and
many
of
dr.
King's.
The
things
that
he
involved
in
engaged
in
right
was
of
non-cooperation
non-violence
right
right.
So
in
this
world,
where
we
are
seeing
increasing
hatred
and
violence,
he
talked
about
hope.
So
how
do
you
think
that
we
should
think
about
keeping
hope
that,
ultimately,
humanity
would
survive
in
this
world
of
yeah?
It's.
B
Iiii
think
you
said
it
you
just
you
you
have
to
have
them.
You
have
to
have
hope.
You
know
I
did
this
this
talk
when
I
did
this
talk
the
second
time
at
Ames
I
think
it
was
twenty
eighteen
or
twenty
seven
I
can't
remember
one
of
the
one
of
his
quotes
that
I
had
I
had
some
different
ones,
but
one
of
the
quotes
that
I
had
at
that
time.
It
talked
about
its.
B
It
says
quote
where
he
talks
about,
why
we
hate
each
other
and
he
says
because
we
fear
one
another
and
we
fear
one
of
each
other,
because
we
don't
talk
to
each
other
and
I
see
a
lot
of
that.
Taking
places
that
there's
just
no
communication,
people
are
too
impatient
to
have
the
the
Crucial
Conversations
and
and
to
understand
the
other
person
sitting
across
the
table.
B
I
think
passion
or
excuse
me,
compassion
is
much
more
than
just
you
know,
they'll
for
the
homeless
person
or
things
that
it's
compassion
really
about
when
you're
at
odds
and
positions
people,
but
about
having
compassion
for
that
person
across
the
table
and
really
sitting
down
and
listening.
That's
the
one
thing
that
I
don't
think
people
do
very
well
is
listen,
listen,
there's
a
skill!
There's
a
skill
and
I.
B
Don't
think
people,
let's
be
were
too
tied
up
into
their
their
own
thought
process
and
what
they
want
to
say
and
they
want
to
get
their
plane
across
that
they
don't
listen
and
I
mean
from
from
a
micro
level
to
the
macro
level
and
I
think
I
think
to
be
able
to
stoke
the
fires
of
hope
is
that
it
takes
each
individual.
It
takes
individuals
right
to
make
that
happen.
It's
not
gonna
just
happen
at
the
you
know.
You
know
with
you
know,
with
the
president
or
with
someone
in
administration.
B
It's
individuals
have
to
be
willing
to
to
have
the
conversations
and
communicate
and
communicate
with
people
that
are,
unlike
them,
I
think
when
you,
when
you,
when
you
really
look
at
individuals
deep
down
inside
each
other,
we
all
want
the
same
things.
We
really
do.
We
all
really
want
the
same
things
when
I
was
in
Washington
DC
for
20
years
and
some
of
the
highest
levels
of
government
and
going
to
Congress
and
that's
learning-
and
you
had
you
know
one
political
part
in
this
political
party
at
some
level.
B
You
really
all
want
it
the
same
thing,
so
you
just
took
different
paths
to
get
there
and
maybe
not
always
communicated
in
the
right
way,
but
people
I
think
at
the
you
know
the
national
level
you
down
to
cities
and
counties
and
and
towns.
People
want
the
same
things,
but
you
have
to
have
the
conversation
a
lot
of
times.
We
just
don't
have
a
conversation
and
when
we
do
have
a
conversation,
almost
really
listening,
so
you
gotta
you
gotta
kind
of
force.
B
It
you
got
to
just
keep
getting
out
there
and
talking
and-
and
you
know,
that's
throw
a
cliche
out
there,
but
I'm
a
big
believer
of
not
judging
the
book
by
its
cover.
I.
Get
that
a
lot.
You
know
people
seem
like.
Oh
I
was
at
NASA
yeah
and
they
think
I
came
from
anything.
I
went
to
Princeton
and
mater
thing,
and
then
they
find
out
that,
like
I'm
from
the
ghetto
and
South
Bend
Indiana
and
that's
where
they
but
again
I
I
think
those
are
the
the
key
attribute
is
about.
B
I
B
It's
funny
it
it.
It
wasn't
a
desire
mine
until
I
got
in
it
and
really
understood
what
it
meant
to
be
a
public
servant.
You
know
again,
you
know,
I
I
went
to
the
Marine
Corps,
not
because
I
was
patriotic,
because
I
didn't
want
to
be
hungry
anymore.
All
right
and
I
wanted
to
have
another
another
skill
set.
You
know
I
wanted
to
have
some
skills,
but
once
I
once
I
got
in
it,
whether
it
was
a
Marine
Corps
and
in
on
my
way
to
the
public
service,
I
was
really
impatient
about
it
right.
B
You
know,
I
worked
at
the
the
Department
of
Education,
you
know
some
of
the
you
know.
Nasa
is
the
most
recognizable
brand
in
the
world
and
you
know
somewhere,
like
the
Department
of
Education,
isn't
right
people
who
are
like
what
are
you?
What
did
you
know?
I
was
I
was
the
director
for
information
assurance
or
cyber
security?
Basically
information
protection.
There
people
would
say
like
well.
What
do
you
do?
You
protect
SAT
scores,
or
what
do
you
do
there?
B
And
but
but
I
had
a
big
passion
for
their
mission
and
their
mission
was
it
was
about
you
know
you
know
putting
you
know,
you
know
the
constituency
through
higher
education
through
loans
and
policies
and
that
sort
of
thing
it's
like
I
I
got
behind
that
mission
and
got
impassionate
about
that.
That
mission
and
then
I
worked
at
the
Department
of
Veterans
Affairs
to
the
largest
agency
in
the
federal
government.
B
I
tried
to
put
I
said
you
know
public
service
I
said:
there's,
there's
no
greater
thing
than
serving
there
really
there's
something
about
I.
Think
for
me,
why
I
didn't
why
I
did
it
for
long
because
it
fulfilled
me
in
some
kind
of
way
it
made
me
feel
good
about
that.
I
was
serving
doing
something
bigger
than
myself.
You
know
doing
something
great
it
wasn't.
It
wasn't
a
it
wasn't
about
me.
It
was
about
the
people
it
was
about
was
at
NASA.
B
It
was
about
you
know
the
astronauts
and
the
scientists
and
the
engineers
and
doing
things
that
were
gonna
benefit
all
of
mankind.
Right
I
had
some
little
piece
of
that:
the
Department
of
Education,
about
the
students
and
Veterans
Affairs,
and
about
the
veterans.
It
was
always
just
something:
I
just
wanted
to
do
something
bigger
than
myself,
and
so
that
was
that
was
kind
of
you
know
the
the
hook.
For
me,
it
wasn't
always
that
it
was
something
I
look
and
said:
I
want
to
be
this
lifelong.
B
You
know
civil
servant
or
public
servant
once
I
got
in
it,
I
loved
it.
You
know
III
really
loved
it
like
anywhere
else
like
any
other
job.
There's
a
lot
of
frustrations,
there's
a
lot
of
times
where
you're,
like
you
know
this
place,
can
kick
rocks.
You
know,
I
want
to
go,
do
something
even
at
NASA
I
was
like
this
place,
can
kick
rocks.
B
D
You've
worked
for
a
couple
decades
in
security,
cybersecurity
information
security
and
you
live
in
our
society
and
you've
got
a
computer
at
home
and
a
cell
phone.
Could
you
touch
on
on
what
you
do
to
be
a
smart
and
safe
person
in
our
universe
in
a
world
so
that
your
phone
doesn't
get
hacked
and
yeah.
B
D
B
It's
it's!
It's
tough,
because
technology
is
evolving
so
fast,
right
and
and
the
world
is
very
different
than
it
was
even
twenty
years
five
years
ago,
so
different
and
the
threats
that
are
out
there
or
constantly
evolving,
constantly
you're
always
trying
to
stay
on
top
of
things.
You
know
the
hard
part
of
it
it
and
in
protecting.
You
know
myself
is
trying
to
just
keep
up
with
everything.
That's
that's
going
on
all
right,
so
I
try
to
focus
on
a
couple
of
really
simple
things.
B
You
know
if
we're
talking
about
you
know
your
your
online
presence.
What
I'm,
when
I'm
starting
to
find
out
I've
learned
over
the
last
couple
of
years
is,
is
that
me
personally,
I
have
to
kind
of
dumb
down
my
online
presence
right
because
people
now
they
get
online,
they
find
out
who
you
are,
and
they
start
to
use
that
against
you.
Do
it
person,
eight
other
people
and
a
certain
things
to
know.
I
start
I
have
to
start
stripping
some
things
off
offline
I
have
a
lot
of
content.
B
Online
I've
got
videos
of
I'm
doing
a
lot
of
different
things,
but
things
like
LinkedIn
and
s
or
so
it's
a
treasure.
Trove
of
information
and
people
use
that
to
to
attack
you
by
coming
through
or
or
coming
in,
like
through
LinkedIn
as
LinkedIn
requests
and
they'll,
use
that
and
find
out
who
you're
connected
to
you
and
try
to
do
different
things
like
so
one
thing
is
kind
of
kind
of
doling
down
that
that
online
presence
I
think.
B
The
other
thing
is
when
you're
just
talking
about
just
basic
security,
whether
it's
a
phone
or
a
laptop,
a
desktop.
It's
like
keeping
them
updated
right.
What
we
call
basic
hygiene,
keeping
them
updated
patching
things
like
antivirus,
really
really
simple
things,
what
we
call
blocking
and
tackling
basic
blocking
tagging,
which
we
also
find
in
a
security
community
as
most
people
don't
do
that
a
lot
of
times
you're
here
out
in
the
world
like
all
these
sophisticated
attacks,
are
going
on
and
they're
doing
this
and
they're
they're
able
to
get
into
that
a
lot
of
times.
B
When
you
really
raise
the
hood-
and
you
look
at
what's
really
happened-
it's
really
not
that
sophisticated,
because
we've
done
a
lot
of
things,
we've
locked
all
the
front
doors
where
we
left
all
the
back
doors,
open,
really
simple
things
and
people
just
come
in
right
through
the
back
doors.
So
I
try
to
do
really
basic
hygiene.
B
When
I
get
emails
in
I,
don't
click
on
every
link,
like
everybody
wants
to
click
on
links,
right
away,
I
make
sure
I,
don't
just
click
on
a
link.
They
could
be
fraudulent
and
and
loaded
up
with
malware
to
let
somebody
onto
my
system,
I'm
very
suspicious
about
that
I'm
suspicious
about
getting
phone
calls
now
from
individuals
that
I've
never
heard
of
before
I'm,
very
suspicious
about
emails
from
individuals
that
addressing
this
hey,
Jerry,
bla,
bla,
bla,
bla,
bla,
hey,
here's,
the
link
I'm
here
so
don't
like
I,
don't
think
so.
B
So
it's
the
level
of
awareness,
I,
try
to
have
a
heightened
level
of
awareness
and
I
always
tell
folks,
even
when
I
was
in
when
I
was
in
the
physical
security
right
and
worked
a
level
of
executive
level
protection
and
my
time
at
CIA,
its
we
always
tell
people
and
especially
to
travel,
seems
like
if
something
doesn't
look
right.
It
probably
isn't
right.
People
have
a
good
people,
have
senses
and
you'll
notice
things,
but
people
a
lot
of
times,
don't
listen
to
their
their
senses.
So
even
like
digitally.
B
If
something
doesn't
look
right,
it
probably
isn't
right.
The
personality
other
info,
probably
isn't
a
prince
in
Kenya,
just
got
money
locked
up
and
he
needs
a
thousand
dollars
from
you
to
unlock
this
thing.
But
that's
one
thing
I
told
my
my
mom
not
too
long
ago.
My
mom
called
me.
Probably
you
know
two
months
ago
and
I
was
back
in
October
and
she
says:
hey
I'm,
on
the
phone
with
this
guy
and
he's
he's.
He
says
that
someone's
hacked
my
computer
and
he
needs
me
to
give
him
information,
so
he
can
go
cleaned
up.
B
He
said
he's
from
Microsoft
and
she
says
I
told
him
to
hold
on,
because
my
son
knows
about
this
and
something
sounds
right.
I
said
mom,
hangar
I
could,
did
you
give
him
any
information?
She
goes
no
I
was
going
to,
but
she
looked,
but
it
just
seems
so
weird
so
I
told
him
I
said.
Is
he
still
in
the
line
she
said?
Yeah
I
go
hang
up
on.
It
hang
up
that
she
said
it
was
from
the
bank.
B
He
said
he
was
also
for
he
wanted
to
check
to
make
sure
no
one
had
got
into
her
bank
account,
so
I
needed
her
banking
information,
Sheils
yeah
I
said
mom.
No
one
needs
your
banking
information.
I
said
in
the
bank.
Isn't
gonna
call
you
and
do
it
that
way,
so
she
did
so.
It
was
one
of
those
things
where
she
started
to
have
the
dialogue,
but
did
she
realize
doesn't
sound
right?
Something's
not
right
about
this.
B
C
B
Flags
yeah,
but
basic
hygiene,
keeping
things
up
to
date,
be
careful
about
downloading
apps,
even
apps
in
the
App
Store
a
lot
of
them.
You
know
they
they
get
verified
or
validated,
but
still
they
get
through
and
they're,
packed
with
malware,
packed
with
things
that
distill
your
credentials
and
identities
and
that
sort
of
thing
to
be
real,
careful
about
going
out
and
only
I
always
tell
folks
only
download
apps
that
you
need
or
that
you
want
don't
just
randomly
go
out
there.
B
B
You
know
a
bunch
of
you'll
be
you'll,
be
amazed
at
if
you're
able
to
you
know,
look
at
your
operators,
my
phone,
if
you
have
a
lot
of
apps,
all
those
all
the
things
they're
doing
and
talking
and
ask
for
a
thing,
probably
probably
not
a
good
thing.
So
always
so.
Folks
will
be
really
careful
about
the
app
set
that
they
download
yeah.
So
just
really,
it's
really
just
really
basic.
What
I
like
to
say
common
sense,
you
know,
but
that's
my
my
boss.
B
When
I
was
at
CIA,
she
says
she
say:
common
sense
does
rare
than
money,
but
it's
gotta
use.
She
said
common
sense
is
rarer
than
money.
It's
always
tell
people,
you
know
it's
a
lot
of.
It
really
is
just
really
calm,
insisting
and
trust
that
gut
instinct
I
mean
that's
the
way
it's
going
right
cloud
cloud
services
everything's
moving
out
to
the
cloud
you
have
to
have
some
level
of
trust
in
your
cloud
provider
that
they're
doing
the
right
things
on
on
their
side.
B
B
You
know
thumb
drive
with
the
presentation
as
well,
like
I
was
guaranteed
something
probably
going
to
go
wrong.
You
know
so
I
like
to
the
to
is
what
one
is
not
so
I'll
back
up
things
to
the
cloud,
but
I
also
have
it
on
hard
media
as
well
just
I'm,
a
little
paranoid.
That
way,
you
gonna
ask
me
something
really
hard
yeah.
B
B
We
have
what
we
called
a
global
security
operations
center
in
the
zone
at
Ames
and
it's
a
pretty
cool
environment.
I
was
responsible
for
help
standing
it
up
when
I
was
running
cyber
security
for
NASA
in
2007
2008,
we
started
building
this
environment
and
it
can
see
all
of
NASA
all
the
networks,
all
the
computers,
all
the
way
out
to
the
Russia
site,
and
we
would
see
tons
and
tons
of
attacks
taking
place
on
a
daily
daily
basis.
So
all
the
time.
J
B
Great
I
loved
it
I
loved
working
at
CIA
was.
It
was
one
of
one
of
my
most
favorite
jobs
that
ever
have
maro.
It
was
a
I
was
a
really
young
guy
older
than
you,
but
a
lot
younger
tonight
than
I
am
now
and
I
went
all
over
the
world
got
to
see
a
lot
of
interesting
things
and
meet
a
lot
of
interesting
people
all
on
the
government's
dollar.
So
it
was
pretty
cool.
Thank
you.
Yep.
K
B
Hr
yeah,
I,
think
I've,
told
I,
think
yeah.
You
know
you
know,
because
I
love
people,
I
love
interacting
with
people,
I
love
talking
to
people,
I
love,
just
having
that
dialogue
with
people.
So
I
always
said
that
if
I
was
gonna,
do
anything
else
outside
of
security
I'd
be
in
human
resources
and
when
I
tell
him
to
human
resources,
people
they
look
at
me
like
I
got
two
heads
you're
like:
why
would
you
wanna
I'm,
like
I,
just
think
it's
kind
of
cool,
like
you
sit
down
with
people
you
get
to.
B
B
Know
it
was
you
know
that
that
weird
kid
thing
in
me
where
I
was
fascinated
with
the
intelligence
world
right
and
I,
don't
remember
how
I
exactly
how
I
got
exposed
to
it.
At
some
point,
I
did
and
that's
what
I
wanted
to
remember
when
I
lived
in
Southern
California,
twelve
years
old
and
for
Christmas
a
couple
of
Christmases
or
probably
like
11,
so
I'll
fight
about
13
at
a
time
one
of
the
things
I
got
was
a
fingerprint
kit.
K
B
B
It
had
a
little
like
pieces
of
scotch
tape
and
you
put
that
over
and
it
would
lift
the
print
out,
and
then
you
put
him
on
these
fingerprint
cards
and
I
had
the
whole
family
I
had
them
all
lined
up
at
one
point
and
I
was
doing
each
of
their
fingerprints
and
I.
Had
this
fingerprint
kit
and
I
had
a
briefcase,
an
incentive
briefcase,
not
a
walkie-talkie,
my
fingerprint
kit
and
rope
and
and
I
remember
my
mom.
B
If
I
hadn't
killed
myself,
she
was
gonna
kill
me
cuz
I
was
on
the
roof
of
the
house,
and
I
was
on
my
spy
mission
and
I
had
tied
the
rope
around
the
chimney
and
I'm
trying
to
come
down
to
Chile
with
the
briefcase
in
my
hand,
trying
to
come
down
the
chimney,
and
my
mom
could
see
me
see
the
Rope
hanging
down
in
front
of
the
kitchen
window.
She
comes
out
and
I'm
like
halfway
trying
to
get
down
to
him
and
I
got
this
big
briefcase.
B
Trying
to
think
what
people
are
doing
and
that
sort
of
thing
that
really
kind
of
pushed
I
was
a
private
investigator
first
and
then
got
into
the
counter
children
first
through
the
Marine
Corps
and
then
onto
the
CIA
from
there.
But
it
was
just
a
lot
of
it
was
was
was
curiosity,
you
know,
I,
just
I
was
just
fascinated
by
spy
stuff.
B
Yeah,
absolutely
absolutely
yeah
and
I
got
a
couple
other
ones
as
I
got
older.
One
of
the
things
that
I
was
I
was
a
runner.
I
was
in
cross-country
and
ran
track
and
everything
you
wouldn't
know
is
50
pounds
lighter,
but
being
in
a
track
and
field,
and
so
I
have
a
couple
of
favors
out
there.
One
is
a
guy
named
Jim,
Ryan
and
another
guy
is
a
guy
named
Billy
Mills
that
big
big
room,
all
big
fans
of
when.
B
Lamb,
so
at
Lamb,
I
was
a
chief
security
officer
and
I
was
responsible
for
all
the
computer
systems.
Security
of
the
computer
systems.
I
was
just
possible
for
what
we
call
physical
security,
so
that
was
the
protection
of
all
our
facilities
and
our
employees
and
things
like
that
all
over
the
world
and
then
the
last
piece
of
it
as
my
responsibility
was,
for
we
call
business
continuity.
So
something
happened
to
the
company
to
the
whether
it
was
the
systems
or
the
equipment
we
used
to
manufacture
our
technology
there.
B
B
You
know
I've
kind
of
washed,
it
not
a
lot
of
comments.
I
think
I.
Think
some
folks
don't
quite
understand
fully.
You
know
what
it
is.
I,
don't
think
it's
fully
baked,
but
I
think
at
the
at
the
end
of
day,
when
we
look
at
space
force,
it's
not
it's
a
it's
a
it's
new
in
title,
but
the
missions
and
the
roles
of
people
that
filler
are
things
that
are
already
going
on.
B
So
what
you're
probably
gonna
see
is
folks
move
from
different
elements
of
of
Air
Force
in
particular,
and
the
other
military
units
move
under
space
force
to
fill
out
the
ranks
and
that
sort
of
thing
it
won't
be
some
a
new
thing,
I
think
a
lot
of
people
think
it's
actually
going
to
be
a
space
force.
Where
you
know
we
we
run
out.
We
hop
in
our
spaceship
and
we
fly
around
the
world
fly
out
in
space
now,
I
think
it's
it's!
It
really
is
just
taking
existing
capabilities
and
people
into
one
new
environment.
B
The
trip
to
Mars
is
gonna,
take
seven
or
eight
months
roughly.
So
how
do
you
sustain
humans
for
seven
to
eight
months
in
a
little
tiny
spacecraft
going
to
Mars?
The
other
side
of
is
there's
a
lot
of
radiation
out
there
and
they
still
haven't
quite
figured
out
how
to
keep
astronauts
safe
from
the
radiation.
So
would
it
be
probably
a
while
before
we
see
anybody
go
to
Mars
but
I?
B
M
B
App
gives
the
data
side.
That's
a
great
question
because
of
the
fact
that
in
cybersecurity,
what
we're
finding
and
we
started
to
find
any
years
ago
is
that
there
is
a
tremendous
amount
of
data
inside
of
the
security
systems
and
I
always
used
to
say
that
inside
of
all
that
data,
there's
a
pony
in
there
somewhere,
and
so
when
the.
When
the
career
paths
of
data
science
came
up,
they
were
working
in
a
lot
of
other
areas
right
to
improve
efficiencies
of
systems
and
processes.
B
In
the
last
probably
eight
or
nine
years,
we've
seen
a
big
shift
of
data
Sciences
working
specifically
in
a
cybersecurity
area,
one
of
the
places
that
I've
seen
it
happen.
The
most
is
in
a
department
of
energy,
an
apartment
and
energy.
Not
only
do
they
work
around
energy
manners
and
nuclear
weapons,
and
things
like
that
is
there
also
in
the
United
States,
very,
very
big
on
and
have
a
mission
around
cybersecurity.
B
One
of
the
things
they
do
is
they
employ
a
lot
of
data
scientists
to
tease
out
things
and
figure
out
how
they
can
use
things
like
artificial
intelligence
within
cybersecurity
and
a
data
science.
There
that
goes
along
with
it
to
improve
what
we
call
resiliency
or
make
better
systems.
So
data
science
is
a
is,
is
a
growing
profession,
especially
in
the
cybersecurity
arena
and
I.
B
B
Get
get
out
to
the
resources
get
out
on
on
on
the
web.
Read
about
those
things
join
join
two
different
groups
that
are
out
there:
I'm
a
I'm,
a
big
YouTube,
nut
right,
and
so
there's
just
so
much.
You
can
learn
on
YouTube
whenever
I
hear
about
something
I,
don't
know
anything
about
it.
I
go
right
to
YouTube,
you
know
data
sight
and
there's
somebody
doing
a
30-minute
briefing
on
data
science.
So
I
do
a
lot
of
get
a
lot
of
self-study
a
lot
of
learning,
but
usually
what
resources
are
out
there?
B
The
Internet
there's
a
treasure
trove
of
those
types
of
things,
particularly
places
like
YouTube
that
has
a
lot
of
videos
and
and
and
learning
the
environment
out
there.
You
can
learn
things
right
away
so
I,
just
you
just
jump
right
in
find
some
books,
and
things
like
that
you
may
like
buy
them
and
read
through
and
I,
always
take
a
lot
of
notes
too
I.
Do
it
just
like
I'm
in
class
I
sit
at
home
and
I,
read
things
and
I.
Take
notes,
so
yeah
a
lot
of
self
actuation
just
jump
in
it.
A
M
A
M
A
I'm
really
glad
he
got
out
here
and
so
happy
that
you
guys
came
out
again
he's
the
first
in
our
series
of
about
10
this
year
and
we're
working
on
just
confirming
a
few
more
talks
so
that
we
can
publish
the
whole
program
and
you
can
kind
of
see
what's
coming,
but
they
are
largely
once
a
month
about
the
middle
of
the
month,
not
a
council
week,
so
that
I
can
be
awake
and
moving
and
moving.
This
have
some
big
council
week,
but
please
look
for
that.
Soon.