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Coverage of the Monday, August 29, 2022 Cupertino City Council Hybrid Meeting. (Part 2 of 2)
A
B
B
There
are
three
tier
two
sites
listed
as
16,
a
b
and
c
two
of
which
have
owner
interest
on
them
along
this
corridor
off
head,
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
existing
uses
in
there.
I
believe
these
are
all
commercial
buildings,
though,
on
the
corridor
in
the
central
area,
east
of
de
anza
boulevard,
the
densities
along
stephens
creek
were
assumed
to
be
50
units
per
acre,
but
again
since
these
were
not
recommended
by
the
commissions,
there's
no
real
set
density
for
any
of
these
sites.
A
Okay,
thanks
luke,
I'm
pretty
sure
16a
is
a
gas
station.
16B
is
a
restaurant
16c,
I'm
not
really
sure
what
that
is
off
to
the
off
to
the
right,
but
any
anyone
like
to
start
us
off
on
council
for
these
council
member
willie
and
moore
have
their
hands
ready,
councilmember
willie.
Why
white
to
start
us
off?
Would
you
like
stars?
Oh
leftover,
councilmember
moore.
C
Okay,
thank
you
mayor
paul,
so
I
would
like
to
have
a
closer
look
at
those
properties
to
know
what
what
is
on
them
exactly
currently
and
then
also
the
the
I
I
believe,
yeah
we're,
showing
50
dwelling
units
per
acre
is
the
new
minimum
yeah
minimum
density.
I
I'd
like
to
hear
if
there's
a
staff
recommendation
or
is
that
the
staff
recommendation
and
then
what's
the
total,
that
we
would
get
to
were
those
developed.
A
A
D
Thank
you,
yeah.
I
could
help.
I
think
it
was
the
staff's
recommendation
to
go
with
the
50.
again.
These
are
tier
two
sites
they're
only
in
here
in
the
event
that
there's
a
tier
one
site
that
doesn't
make
it
these
would
just
be
studied
in
the
environmental
review.
No
changes
would
be
made
to
the
minimum
densities
unless
council
actually
takes
action
on
it.
Now,
with
regard
to
the
yield
on
these
16a
would
be
23.
Units
16b
would
be
24
units
and
16c
would
be
32
units.
E
A
F
A
G
B
B
I
know
these
the
two
sites
just
indicated
that
they
wanted
to
be
included
on
the
housing
site's
inventory
list.
I
don't
know
if
any
particular
density
was
recommended.
The
50
was
recommended
by
staff
along
the
stevens
creek
corridor.
But
again,
since
these
sites
were
tier,
two,
there
was
very
little
discussion
at
the
planning
commission
of
the
tier
two
sites.
G
I
D
H
I
All
right,
understood
and
and
these
locations
actually
are
very
close
to
schools.
I
know
as
some
design
right
behind
it.
They
have
middle
school
and
elementary
school.
So
will
we
consider
closing
to
close
to
schools
as
moderate
income
housing,
because
we
do
need
more
income
housing
for
our
housing
elements
again?
How?
How
can
we
encourage
that.
D
These
sites
are
fairly
small
they're
all
in
the
half
acre
range.
You
know
in
order
to
make
these
be
viable
for
affordable
housing,
they
do
need
to
have
a
certain
amount
of
density
on
them,
particularly
if
we
do
it.
We,
if
we
do
expect
any
kind
of
parking
to
be
included
with
that
as
well.
So
that's
the
reason
why
these
were
kind
of
thrown
out
there
to
make
it
to
see
whether
these
would
stick
and
to
see
if
they
might
be
of
interest
to
affordable
housing
developers.
I
A
H
G
B
Yes,
thank
you
mayor
paul,
similar
to
the
last
slide.
Again.
There
are
nothing
but
the
tier
two
properties
shown
on
hart
acidity
crossroads,
as
I'd
mentioned
earlier
in
the
evening,
the
large
rectangular
area
at
the
bottom
of
the
slide
on
the
south
side
of
stevens
creek
boulevard
between
stelling
indianza.
That
is
the
hardest
city
crossroads.
That
is,
I
believe,
well
well
over
one
site's
over
10
acres,
so
the
entirety
of
that
is,
you
know,
fairly
large.
The
reason
we
included.
H
B
On
this
slide
in
case
the
council
had
any
interest
in
the
discussion
sites.
15
a
and
b
are
also
tier
two
they
had
owner
interest.
But
again
I
just
want
to
reiterate
the
larger
site,
the
crossroads
itself.
We
do
not
have
any
owner
interest
receipt
and
I
know
we
reached
out
at
least
twice
to
that
property
owner.
B
Similarly,
I
believe
these
sites
were
shown
as
a
mix
of
50
and
30
dwelling
units
per
acre
with
15,
a
and
b
being
50
in
the
crossroads
site
itself
being
30.,
and
I
could
turn
it
over
for
questions
with
that.
But
again
I
just
want
to
avoid
any
confusion.
These
sites
are
not
currently
recommended
and
reflected
in
the
tier
one.
Housing
total.
A
B
B
G
A
C
C
A
J
So
I'm
happy
to
get
the
question.
Of
course,
I
always
like
to
move
down
the
list
of
you
know
what
I
would
consider
the
best
type
of
exchange,
little
less
a
little
less
for
the
best
type
of
exchange.
When
we're
getting
two
million
square
feet
of
office
of
alco.
I'd
like
to
see
office
for
office
changed,
you
know
losing
office
for
housing.
J
Before
we
start
saying
we're
going
to
be
impacting
our
retail.
I
share
what
one
of
the
residents
said
that
when
you
do
start
putting
the
housing
in
the
retail,
the
retail
starts
dwindling
and
stuff.
So
I
would
rather
start
with
a
good
understanding
of
bub
road.
If,
if
it
really
comes
out
that
bub
road
is
just
not
doable,
then
I
would
consider
crossroads
I'd
rather
not
consider
crossroads
until
we
really
have
explored
the
bubba
road.
A
A
I
So
I'm
actually
in
agreement
with
councilmember
moore,
I
do
like
the
a
b
c
and
g
sites,
because
that's
the
a
really
complements
the
p5.
That
would
have
it
right
there.
If
you
have
a
little
bit
more
housing,
then
you
can
have
transit
go
over
there
and
the
b
and
c
and
g
are
sites
that
right
on
frank,
stephens,
creek
and
it's
it
is
located
pretty
close
to
possible
transit.
So
I
do
like
councilmember
moore's
comments.
D
D
Correct
it's
still
in
process
got
it.
I
did
want
to
make
a
comment,
mr
mayor,
if
I
may,
with
regard
to
sites
15
cng
15c
is
the
former
fontanas
restaurant.
It
has
a
parking
lot
associated
with
it.
15G
is
the
parking
lot
in
front
of
the
staples
building,
which
is
the
primary
parking
lot
that
is
used
for
the
staples
building
at
the
rear.
If
that
does
get
developed
for
housing,
then
that
staples
building
does
become
pretty
unbiable,
so
I
just
did
want
to
point
that
out
and
for
the
council's
consideration.
A
A
A
D
G
D
G
D
G
A
C
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
mentioning
15g
being
the
parking
lot,
while
15d
probably
has
enough
spare
parking
to
to
essentially
help
the
staples
slot
out
it's
to
its
to
the
east,
so
I'd
I'd
actually
be
interested
in
15e
and
having
a
ground
floor
retail
component
on
on
on
those
three,
the
cg
and
e
lots.
I
don't
know
if
that
would
be
awkward,
but
there
is
a
lot
of
parking
also
in
the
15d
area.
C
C
H
A
A
A
Okay
and
then
with
regard
to
okay,
well
with
regard
to
to
addressing
the
possibility
of
the
problem
that
you
raised
pew
with
15g
as
a
parking
lot
to
staples
and
then
putting
15e
as
perhaps
mixed
use.
That's
all
something
that
can
be
done
within
the
subsequent
discussion
right.
If,
but
if
we
were
going
to
do
that,
we
would
probably
want
to
identify
that
now
right
for
the
purposes
of
the
viability
of
the
past
yeah.
D
A
G
Yeah,
I
want
to
add
something
on
okay.
I
think
we're
wasting
a
lot
of
time
asking
what's
the
site
for
what's
the
anchorage
of
this
site.
It
would
be
great
if
we
have
this
list.
For
example,
this
is
obtained
actually
from
peggy's
email
and
added
some
information.
If
we
have
this
information
together
with
each
site,
that
will
save
us
a
lot
of
time
plus
the
anchorage.
A
G
A
Great
thanks
thanks
very
much
yeah,
all
good
information
to
have
in
a
snapshot
there.
So
let's
go
on
and
to
members
of
the
public
we're
at
about
nine
o'clock
right
now,
we've
gone
through
maps
a
through
g.
If
you
have
any
further
comments
on
our
going
over
maps
a
through
h,
let's
go
ahead
and
open
up
to
another
round
of
comments
on
those
and
then,
if
just
we'll
take
a
look
at
where
we
are
time
wise.
A
A
B
B
B
And
then
the
sites
over
to
the
west,
we
did
not
have
owner
interest
for
those
the
sites
on
the
west
side
of
stelling
are
largely
made
up
of.
I
believe
it
is
the
valley
church,
and
these
are
sites
devoted
to
outdoor
recreational
uses
like
sandlot
courts
and
maybe
some
tennis
courts
over
here.
We
have
the
commercial
center
that
includes
the
bowling
alley,
so
these
are
again.
These
are
one
of
our
three
areas
where
we
have
a
considerable
amount
of
unit.
B
C
I
I
I
A
K
D
A
A
D
A
A
A
D
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
D
A
A
Okay,
all
right-
and
you
know
I'm
wondering
about
that-
20b
site
they
had.
We
were
considering
it
in
the
last
housing
element,
potentially
as
some
of
the
alternative
sites
I
mean,
if
they
had
expressed,
I
mean,
presumably
because
of
the
nature
of
the
way
we
went
about
it.
I
mean
they
had
expressed
some
interest
at
some
point
in
the
past
I
mean.
Is
there
any
sense
of
why
there's
not
that
willingness
to
stay
part
of
this
particular
conversation?
A
H
A
A
All
right
so
final
question
with
regard
to
these
various
follow-ups,
irrespective
of
whether
it's
you
know
you've
heard
from
the
owner
in
the
past
or
you
know,
just
looks
like
a
potentially
viable
site.
Do
we
have
a
plan
for
following
up
again?
You
know,
in
terms
of
I
mean
you
know.
Maybe
maybe
part
of
this
is
the
communication
you
know
process
I
mean
they
hear
from
us
once
and
then,
maybe
seven
years
later
they
hear
from
us
again
I
mean.
H
D
A
C
Sure
I'm
just
asking
for
a
favor
from
staff.
If
I
could
have
and
probably
all
of
council
if
we
could
have
the
excel
spreadsheet
version
of
the
recommended
sites
inventory,
because
I
tried
to
do
a
conversion
and
didn't
come
out
very
well
to
convert
the
pdf.
So
if
someone
could
please
send
us
a
excel
version,
and
I,
if
I
wanted
to
manipulate
the
numbers
a
little
bit
on
my
own
okay-
is
that
doable.
C
A
E
Obviously,
we'll
certainly
work
our
darndest
and
work
with
the
the
consultant.
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
andy,
but
I
think-
and
you
should
be
able
to
do
that,
but
our
focus
right
now,
of
course,
is
to
get
all
these
comments
together
and
then
come
back
to
you
tomorrow.
But
yes,
we'll
definitely
work
with
consultant
and
staff
and
trying
to
get
that
to
you
customer
more.
C
I
I
I
know
we're
going
to
make
outreach
to
the
owners
and
I
think
they
belong
to
two
owners.
Probably
the
bowling
belongs
to
one.
I
remember
vaguely
the
bony
bowling
owner
actually
reached
out
to
the
city
for
one
time,
and
so
maybe
we
can
really
walk.
I
just
think
that's
a
really.
This
is
a
really
good
location
to
have
some
density
housing
with
some
retail
under.
So
thank
you.
I
G
Yeah
my
concern
is,
the
record
has
been
once
we
turn
a
shopping
center
into
mixed
use.
It
kills
the
retail
because
they
tend
to
have
very
tiny
retail
space.
So
this
right
now
is
a
very
lively
shopping
center.
Yeah,
it's
outdated.
It
should
be
updated
like
the
homestead
shopping
center
at
the
corner
of
the
anza.
G
G
A
B
G
G
M
A
Okay,
great
thanks
very
much
so,
let's
councilman!
Well,
you
have
your
hand
raised.
Did
you
still?
Okay
yeah,
you
know,
I
I
think.
Actually,
the
the
site
located
over
at
20b
is
is
a
fairly
vibrant
shopping
center.
At
this
point
I
mean-
and
you
know
we
do
have
a
couple
of
bowling
alleys.
Is
that
bowling
alley
still
open?
Do
people
know
it
is
right?
It's
on
homestead
lanes
yeah,
so
I
mean
it's.
A
You
know
one
that
I
think
is
you
know
pretty
pretty
readily
accessible,
but
yeah
and
one
one
thing
I'll
say
you
know
the
reason
I
asked
my
question
about
the
odd
fellows
lodge
is
that
I
believe
it
was
opened
in
the
great
depression
for
basically
housing
purposes,
and
so
you
know
I
think
it
would
be.
You
know
interesting
to
see
if
there
was
a
desire.
You
know
inconsistency
with
their
their
founding
charter
to
you
know,
you
know
work
on
this
issue
together.
A
So
any
event,
I
don't
see
any
new
hands
raised
at
this
time,
and
so,
as
promised,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
bring
this
over
to
the
public
again,
so
we've
been
through
maps
a
through
h
feel
free
to
raise
your
hand
if
you
have
comments
at
this
time
and
so
jennifer.
Thank
you
for
your
your
patience.
I
see
that
your
hand
has
been
raised
for
a
while
and
so
we'll
go
by
the
same
methodology
with
regard
to
other
public
comments.
A
If
you
have
your
hand
raised
in
zoom
by
the
time
that
the
first
speaker
jennifer
is
done,
then
we'll
call
on
you
for
this
round
of
public
comments
and
same
goes
for
any
blue
cards
live
or
any
emails
that
go
into
city
clerk.
All
one
word
at
cupertino.org
in
the
time
the
first
speaker
is
done
is,
is
speaking
and
so.
Jennifer
welcome.
You'll
have
three
minutes.
N
Thank
you.
You
know
I
had
received
a
phone
call
for
some
reason
right
at
the
point.
You
guys
were
talking
about
the
plan
for
tonight,
so
I
sent
you
a
couple
of
emails
about
when
the
public
would
get
input,
so
just
ignore
that
I
and
I
it
would
be-
it's
really
good-
also
to
keep
the
public
updated
as
to
when
they
can
get
input.
N
I
tried
to
keep
track
of
all
the
different
sites.
Planning
commission
took
input
as
we
went
along
yeah.
This
stuff
is
killer,
but
you
know
we
have
to
go
through
it.
Hcd
is
intent
on
destroying
my
city.
I
shop
at
westgate
and
san
jose
is
trying
to
destroy
westgate,
so
there'll
be
no
place
to
shop.
We
can't
buy
gas
well,
there'll
be
no
place
to
buy
drugs.
I'm
really
really
really
depressed.
N
Okay,
mapei
velco,
village,
okay.
This
is
right
across
from
apple.
I
do
not.
I
spent
a
great
deal
of
my
life
making
sure
that
those
ash
trees
on
homestead
were
preserved
and
apple
has
done
a
bang-up
job.
I
don't
want
valco,
village
or
cupertino
village
or
whatever
it's
called
now,
to
become
a
high-rise
pile.
Next
to
apple,
they
have
to
have
setbacks
that
I'm
I
don't
give
a
hang
about
hcd.
N
This
is
my
city,
that
is
the
sunnyvale
gateway
on
wolf
road
at
homestead,
and
if
hcd
doesn't
understand
that
we
need
a
new
governor,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
if
they
want
to
build
that
pile
next
to
sunnydale
and
wolf,
that
they
have
adequate
setbacks
and
we
have
street
trees
there.
In
fact,
I
demand
it.
You
know.
Apple
is
a
great
commodity
for
this
city
and
I
give
them
every
credit
for
doing
the
tree
part.
I
don't
want
hcd
to
destroy
that
corner.
N
Hcd
is
not
going
to
be
here
in
20
years
b.
Okay,
I
don't,
if
they're
putting
in
supportive
housing
in
that
tiny
teeny-weeny
lot,
and
I
know
who
owns
that
lot.
Okay,
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
going
on
in
this
city,
but
if
they're
putting
supportive
housing
in
there
on
that
lot,
at
the
back
of
the
valve,
hoping
it's
no
big
secret,
the
public
has
to
be
told.
N
I
have
reasons-
and
I
set
one
of
the
city
council
members-
why
I
am
not
going
to
divulge
that,
but
we
need
to
know
why
what
type
of
housing
is
going
in
there.
The
public
has
the
right
to
know.
Also
the
east
side
is
getting
dumped
on
it's
it's
it's
balco,
it's
it's
hcd!
Hcd
does
not
give
a
hang
about
anybody
living
in
this
city
and
I'll
say
that
again,
I
feel
devaluated
discriminated
again,
just
because
I
happen
to
have
scrambled
to
try
to
buy
my
house
when
it
didn't
even
appraise
rancho
was
a
dump.
N
There
were
murders
in
there
and
I
am
so
tired
of
being
accused
of
being
stuck
up
because
I
happened
to
buy
a
house.
I
bought
a
house
in
one
of
the
worst
areas
in
this
state
25
years
ago,
and
if
nobody
can
understand
that,
then
that
is
their
problem.
I
am
not
going
to
count
out
any
of
these
people
again.
This
is
the
biggest
announcement.
A
M
K
K
I
know
that
there
was
earlier
discussion
about
how
what
happened
in
san
francisco
was
not
unusual
to
the
circumstances
of
the
housing
development,
but
I
think
that
if
we
take
steps
now
to
avoid
wasting
our
time
with
this
housing
plan
by
getting
called
out
by
the
state
and
take
time
to
reduce
these
pipeline
projects
and
make
actual
cohesive
plans
that
will
better
the
people
of
our
city,
it
will
be
better
for
us
to
have
housing
that
is
actually
workable,
making
a
cohesive
plan.
I'm
a
little
bit
worried
about
that.
K
O
Hi
good
evening,
mayor,
paul
and
council
appreciate
the
dialogue
tonight
in
the
leadership
to
keep
us
all
on
track,
but
this
meeting,
especially
at
the
start,
felt
rushed.
You
know
we're
at
a
very
critical
time
in
the
process.
As
you
all
know,
and
I
think
the
public
should
have
more
opportunities
to
comment,
especially
property
owners
in
attendance.
As
their
sites
are
being
discussed
tonight.
O
The
public
had
a
chance
to
comment
for
three
minutes
each
but
as
I
understand
it,
in
these
first
eight
maps,
there
are
probably
over
25
plus
sites
that
we
just
went
through.
I'm
sure
there
are
residents
that
have
multiple
thoughts
on
many
properties
throughout
the
city
and
with
only
one
chance,
with
three
minutes
to
speak
at
the
opening,
there's
really
no
way
for
the
public
to
summarize
their
thoughts
coherently.
O
In
this
amount
of
time.
I
know
the
planning
commission
followed
a
format
for
public
comment
that
allowed
each
attendee
three
minutes
to
speak
on
each
map
page.
This
feels
fair
council
member
wiley.
You
asked
for
more
public
engagement,
but
in
this
meeting
it
doesn't
feel
like
the
public
is
having
much
chance
to
do
that.
Often
you
know
with
only
13
folks
on
this
call
right
now
allowing
the
public
to
comment
more
often
as
you
work
through
each
map
page
wouldn't
really
take
up
a
lot
more
additional
time.
O
O
I
know
one
of
the
parcel
owners
is
owned
by
a
developer,
who
would
love
nothing
more
than
to
build
housing
on
the
site,
but
the
center's
encumbered
with
restrictive
ccnrs
that
prevent
one
owner
from
building
on
their
own,
so
that
property
is
all
or
nothing
either
get
all
three
or
you
don't
have
anything
and
it's
doubtful
without
clear
owner
interest.
Letters
to
show
hcb
that
the
state
would
accept
these
properties.
O
O
A
Great,
thank
you
very
much,
scott
and
scott.
I
wanted
to
thank
you
for
the
the
work
that
you
did
with
regard
to
a
request
that
I
had
made
in
terms
of
the
call
out
boxes
and
the
information
that
you
had
shown
me
when
you
requested
a
meeting
so
yeah.
That
was
a
very
much
appreciated.
I
know
it
took
a
fair
amount
of
time
to
do
so.
Next,
we
have
lisa
warren
welcome,
lisa.
M
I'm
on
vacation
and
my
I'm
spotting,
but
here
I
go.
I
don't
have
time
to
comment
on
everything
because
we
didn't
go
one
map
by
map.
I
believe
that
that
was
what
was
expected
based
on
the
discussion
at
the
last
meeting,
but
it's
not
happening
so
here
I
am
hopefully
you're
not
gonna
break
up
and
you
won't
be
able
to
hear
me.
M
I
think
it
was
luke
that
mentioned
in
the
discussion
over
the
north
laney.
I
think
that's
that
was
area
nine,
that
lack
of
interest
from
a
property
owner
is
not
necessarily
a
deterrent
for
hcd
and
choosing
sites.
That's
been
something
that
has
been
inconsistent
throughout
this
whole
process,
which
I've
been
at
every
meeting
there.
M
You
know
you,
you
get.
Why
isn't
this
being
considered
as
in
the
pizza
hut
and
then
fontanas
and
other
places?
Well,
there's
no
owner
interest.
Well,
is
there
no
owner
interest
or
is
it
you
just
never
heard
anything
never
been
clearly
stated
in
9a
there's
non-owner
interest,
yet
it
feels
okay
to
staff
and
the
consultant
to
go
ahead
and
have
that
be
a
site.
Yet
when
you
get
down
to
other
sites
that
have
interest
no
interest
or
no
comment,
it's
just
so
convoluted
how
that
answer.
M
M
I
earlier
suggested
that
we
maybe
start
from
the
other
side
of
town,
because
by
the
time
you
get
to
the
side
to
the
west,
if
you
feel
like
your
numbers
are
good,
I
fear
that
you
won't
consider
sites
that
have
been
deemed
having
no
sights
in
certain
areas.
I
think
you
need
to
find
sites
in
those
areas,
and
I
fear
that
you
won't
consider
tier
two
where
they
may
be
better
than
the
tier
ones
that
are
selected
and
above
et
cetera,
et
cetera
and
then
again
on
bub
property
interest,
who
why
care
there.
So.
A
I
think
that
was
a
very
important
you
know,
structure
to
have
in
terms
of
the
follow-on
I
take
it
that
the
staff
is
recording
in
some
fashion.
You
know
the
discussion
here
and
so
I'm
getting
a
nod
from
our
city
manager
and
so
with
regard
to
the
actionability
of
how
we
take
the
discussion
that
we've
had
and
translate
it
over.
P
P
A
G
I
actually
did
not
know
our
comments
tonight
will
be
considered.
The
notes
were
taken
because
I
did
not
really
say
a
lot
of
my
opinions,
although
I'm
making
notes
on
what,
if
I
make
a
motion,
what
I
would
like
to
do,
for
example,
the
the
site
that
I
think
when
public
just
mentioned
the
15
d,
that's
also
a
vibrant
shopping
center
that
I
would
not
want
to
see
redevelop
the
english
cycle
and
even
as
tier
2,
and
so
so
there
are
a
lot
of
comments
that
I
am
making
in
my
notes.
G
A
Right
so
the
protocol
today
is
we're
going
through
these
maps
and
we're
trying
to
get
some
information
shared
with
regard
to
what
our
comments
and
feedback
are.
The
questions
that
we
have
with
regards
to
these,
the
the
comments
from
public
were
taken
at
the
very
beginning
and
after
the
eight
maps
were
gone
over
by
staff
and
by
by
council,
and
so
with
regard
to
being
able
to
have
an
actionable
document
that
reflects
some
of
the
discussion
that
was
made
today.
A
L
P
G
A
A
J
J
You
know
I
pulled
up
bub
road
previously,
during
this
meeting
scott
heard
my
discussion
about
bub
road
and
actually
did
his
quick
research
and
sent
it
to
me
all
those
properties
on
bub
road,
10,
800,
10,
100,
10,
130
boom
boom
boom.
It
adds
up
on
both
sides
of
bubba
road.
All
those
office
buildings
add
up
to
27.08
acres,
the
you
start
at
the
stephens
creek
and
you
move
in
10
800
10
100
is
vacant.
J
As
we
speak,
contacting
the
owner
and
saying
you've
got
a
vacant
building
you
could
be
par
and
and
also
all
those
buildings
single-story
buildings.
What
do
you
think
is
going
to
happen
over
time?
The
owners
of
those
individual
buildings
they're
going
to
increase
them
they're,
going
to
make
them
two-story
or
three-story
just
like
what
apple's
doing
and
that
office
space
is
then
going
to
be
even
more
office
space.
J
Get
that
owner
say
hey.
We
will
give
you
30
acres
or
30
units
per
acre
on
your
site,
there's
a
a
strong
likelihood
that
he's
going
to
say
yes,
yes,
has
staff
done
that
the
combination
of
those
office
buildings
is
27.08
acres.
If
you
said
it
has
a
current
far
of
0.45
single
story,
0.45
would
give
you
530
000
square
feet
of
office
on
those
properties.
J
If
they
were
kept
office
and
those
owners
said,
you
know
what
we're
going
to
double
those
by
putting
second
stories
on
it.
You've
got
a
million
square
feet
and
if
they
were
to
say
we're
going
to
make
them
three
stories
or
four
stories
like
apple
does:
you've
got
two
million
square
feet
of
office
on
bub
road,
and
yet
back
in
the
year
2022
we
had
the
opportunity
to
start
housing
on
that
strip
and
then
let
the
dominoes
fall.
J
J
In
in
business,
you
don't
stop
there.
I
don't
want
to
hear
that
there
was
no
response
from
the
owner.
I
want
to
hear
we
talked
to
the
owner
and
the
owner
said
he's
not
in
the
business
of
of
going
into
housing
or
something.
Then
I
can
appreciate
it.
But
no
response
from
owner
to
me
is
not
an
answer
for
the
type
of
project
that
we
have
to
do
for
our
city.
J
San
jose,
I
mean
jennifer
does
not
like
san
jose,
no
question
about
it.
They
do
what
they
want
to
do,
regardless
of
what
the
building
owners
want
to
do,
or
the
community
they're
doing
their
their
little
villages
all
up
and
down
winchester
and
stevens
creek
they're,
rezoning
and
putting
in
their
urban
villages,
because
they
know
long
term
they're
going
to
start
the
process,
and
then
it's
going
to
play
out
and
we're
sitting
back
and
not
even
taking
that
proactive
type
of
of
work
process.
J
A
J
A
A
G
A
A
Okay,
yeah,
okay,
so
luke
councilmember
willie
to
the
city
clerk
as
a
request
from
vice
merchant,
all
right,
so
councilmember,
moore
or
councilmember
way.
Do
you
have
any
comments
at
this
time?
Councilmember
moore?
I
don't
see
your
hand
raised
because
we're
away
I
had
a
head
shake.
So
okay
kill
some
more.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
I'm
not
sure
how
the
bub
road
properties
could
factor
in
in
here.
So
I'd
like
to
to
understand
that
and
I'd
like
to
understand
the
the
process
for
for
tomorrow
and
how,
for
instance,
so
I'd
had
a
little
bit
of
a
exchange
with
council
member
willie
about
how
to
work
on
the
the
equity
question
with
regards
to
heart
of
the
city
and
the
the
east,
the
the
east
crossroads,
and
I
think
it's
center
area
central,
and
so
I
have
just
just
looking
at
those
three
areas.
I
would.
C
I
had
worked
on
trying
to
rebalance
if
you
weren't,
going
to
have
the
east
area
used
and
you're
moving
it
to
central
and
then
some
parts
of
crossroads
staying
away
from
the
10-acre
main
portion,
so
it
looked
like
that
was
something
that
could
work.
But
if
we're
looking
at
bub
is,
are
we
thinking
we're
going
to
have
something
tomorrow
that
we
can
be
looking
at,
because
I
think
that
would
be
very
interesting
to
to
further
bring
out
some
distribution.
I
think
that
that's
a
really
intriguing
area,
thanks.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
councilmember
moore,
and
you
know
I,
I
think
that's
a
fair
point
in
question.
So
so
let
me
utilize
my
my
time
here
and
follow
up
to
ask
staff.
Is
there
a
sense
of
how
we
could
turn
this
around?
I
think
the
points
are
fairly
well
taken
in
terms
of
going
ahead
and
applying
these
minimum
densities.
A
You
know
I
mean
I
I
think
essentially
it's
it's
something
that
if
you
haven't
heard
back
from
the
owners,
you
know
that's
that's
a
factor
to
consider,
but
it's
not
necessarily
something
that
would
would
would
be.
You
know
preclusive
as
to
whether
we
impart
the
same
kind
of
designation
as
as
we
see
in
the
recommendations
for
the
16
maps
that
we're
looking
to
examine
and
so
so
pew.
A
D
D
However,
I
did
want
to
point
out
that
there
apple
actually
leases
multiple
buildings
in
that
area
and
they
like
those
buildings,
particularly
because
they're
one-story
tilt-up
buildings,
and
so
they
can't
scrape
those
buildings
which
they
regularly
do
on
the
interiors
and
redo
them
every
almost
every
year.
If
I
were
you
know,
if
we
looked
at
permit
history,
they
just
like
those
areas
because
they're
so
flexible.
D
D
So
that
is
something
that
there
they
we,
you
know
taught
had
discussions
in
the
past
with
them
and
they
don't
have
no
interest
in
giving
that
site
up,
and
so
then
there's
a
church
that
also
has
property
there
and
other
than
that.
There's
one
vacant
office
building,
which
was
in
the
process
of
redoing
the
interiors
of
that
building
right
before
the
pandemic,
but
then
the
pandemic
hit
and
they
hit
pause
on
that
construction
that
they
were
in
the
middle
of
so
but
those
apple
buildings
are.
They
have
long-term
leases
on
those
buildings.
A
Okay,
the
fact
that
caltrans
has
a
courtyard
there
doesn't
mean
caltrans
owns
the
site.
That's
been
right:
okay,
okay,
let's
go
to.
Let's
see
we
have
vice
mayor
chow
and
councilmember
moore
with
hands
rise.
You
know,
let's,
let's
take
a
look
at
this
process,
wise
and
and
also
timing,
wise,
we're
a
little
bit
before
10
o'clock
right
now
did
we
want
to
try
to
get
through
a
couple
more
maps.
A
You
know
today
to
give
us
more
of
a
chance
to
perhaps
get
through
fewer
than
half
of
them
tomorrow
and
allocate
a
bit
of
time.
What's
the
sentiment
here,
I
I
saw
a
head
nod
from
council
member
willie.
I
see
a
head
nod
from
council
member
way,
rather
than
going
into
a
you
know
deeper
dive
of
discussion
at
this
time.
A
I
I'm
happy
to
have
another
few
minutes
for
council
members
each
if
they're
interested
in
sharing
some
thoughts,
but
I
think
we
do
have
an
opportunity
to
perhaps
get
through
maps
I
and
j
at
the
very
least
this
evening.
So
vice
mayor
ciao,
you
have
your
hand
raised
councilmember
moore.
You
also
have
your
hand
raised.
Frankly,
I
don't
remember
the
order
in
which
you
initially
spoke
in
this
round.
Councilman
willie
did
you
still
want
to
speak
as
well
on?
A
I
see
your
hand
is
up
in
the
zoom
function,
and
so
I
don't
seem
to
react
so
I'm
going
to
assume
that
you're
in
the
queue
here.
Oh
you
can't
get
it
okay,
you
look
like
you're
thinking
about
it.
You
put
in
the
queue
okay
so
and
then
counter
away
is
now
raised
really
as
well.
So,
let's,
let's,
let's
do
this-
it
does
seem
like
there
is
a
desire
for
another
round
of
comments.
Is
that
correct,
councilmember
you're
looking
to
make
you
know
a
brief
comment?
A
G
G
Symbian
property
we
should
have
setback
requirement
from
existing
single-family
homes
and
the
border
or
bordering
wall
has
to
be
maintained
for
map
c.
I
think
we
should
remove
this
site,
which
is
mini
storage
plus
single
family
home.
I
don't
think
we
need
one
more
site
in
the
area
and
for
the
changing
shopping
mall.
G
I
think
we
should
move
to
tier
one,
because
we
should
encourage
more
office
to
be
turned
into
building,
especially
because
of
even
though
it
is
still
in
an
area-
that's
too
close
to
vocal,
but
then
I
think
it's
a
rare
opportunity.
We
have
office
site
owners
who
would
like
to
develop
and
map
e
on
the
united.
I
think
I
got
the
number
mixed
up
anyway,
the
united.
Oh,
it's
the
same
map,
yeah
united
furniture
and
the
gas
station.
Those
I
would
want
to
remove
them
from
consideration
because
they
are
right
across
from
welcome.
G
I
think
I
would
like
to
keep
them
retail,
so
we
can
connect
the
retail
from
local
and
to
to
have
a
contiguous
retail
strip.
That's
even
if
that
will
be
developed,
not
this
cycle.
That's
have
alpha,
build
and
see.
What's
the
impact
and
decide
what
reason
is
suitable
in
that
area,
I
hope
that
they
revitally,
like
that
center
map
f,
I
would
like
to
move
15
a
b
and
c
to
tier
1,
which
is
the
least
garden
and
b,
I'm
not
sure.
G
What's
in
there
and
the
c
is
the
fontanas
those
are,
I
think
it
could
be
moved
to
tier
one
and
the
rest
on
15
d
e,
f
g.
I
would
like
to
just
remove
them
from
this
cycle
and
the
map
h
at
19
a
that's
currently
single
family,
home
b.
I
don't
know,
what's
that,
I
would
like
to
see
the
20
the
bowling
alley
to
be
moved
to
tier
2
on
and
then
I
think
the
church
side
sounds
good.
G
J
J
I'm
in
high
tech
we're
constantly
challenged
if
we're
not
challenged
we're
not
moving
forward.
If
we're
not
challenged
japan,
korea,
singapore,
china,
they're
going
to
move
ahead
of
us,
we
don't
stop
at
small
obstacles,
apple
owning
or
apple
leasing,
all
of
those
buildings
after
a
pandemic
that
has
changed
the
landscape
for
office
buildings.
J
J
The
corporate
yard
is
2.96
acres.
The
vacant
building
is
0.87.
You
now
got
almost
four
acres
to
deal
with
now,
caltrans
having
that
corporate
yard
caltrans
is
one
of
the
easiest
types
of
businesses
to
move
to
a
different
site
anywhere
next
to
a
roadway
is
perfectly
fine
they're,
not
building
buildings
and
tearing
down
buildings.
It's
it's
parking
spaces
for
trucks
and
materials.
J
So
caltrans
should
know
how
big
of
a
problem
california
and
the
housing
crisis
is,
and
here's
an
opportunity
for
caltrans
to
actually
help
boy.
Maybe
we
call
call
gavin
newsom
and
tell
him
to
talk
to
caltrans
and
and
move
2.96
worth
of
their
equipment
to
a
different
site
off
at
280..
There's
a
lot
of
empty
land
off
of
280..
J
A
I
Just
a
procedural
question
asked
if
we
are
adding
new
sites
into
our
consideration
and
make
a
decision
tomorrow,
are
we
giving
our
community
enough
time
to
respond
to
it,
because
our
community
is
reviewing
the
size,
for
example,
the
bubble
size
just
pop
up
today?
How
is
the
procedure
we're
gonna?
Let
the
community
review
it
make
comments
on
it
and
not
rushing
24
hours.
L
So
I
I
guess
I
would
jump
in
here
I
mean
the
community
has
had.
This
has
been
noticed.
The
community's
had
multiple
opportunities
to
weigh
in.
Ultimately
this
is
council's
decision.
You
know,
there's
been
multiple
rounds
of
public
comment
already,
and
you
know,
and
the
people
that
are
here
are
not
necessarily
representative
of
the
broader
community.
In
any
event,.
A
Yeah,
so
so
I
guess
councilman
way,
it
just
goes
back
to
the
general
noticing
right
if
we're
able
to
talk
about
this
map
13
or
any
given
area,
because
of
the
fact
that
this
is
noticed
as
the
housing
element
for
the
entirety
of
the
city
and
it
has
been
throughout
the
entire
process.
So
I
think
the
the
general
idea
is
that
people
are
unnoticed
and
it's
been
a
continual
discussion
throughout.
A
Get
some
input
yeah?
Well,
you
have,
I
guess
the
fact
that
you
know
again.
The
noticing
is
basically
through
the
entirety
of
the
process,
and
so
maybe
that
maybe
that
particular
set-
or
maybe
there
will
probably
be
other.
You
know
areas
as
well
as
we
continue
with
our
discussion
right.
So
that's
all
part
of
this
process
is.
I
A
C
A
D
C
Or
does
anyone
know
there
was
I
read
something
about
a
loan
program
was
what
did
that
happen
here?
Any
affordable
housing
built
by
apple
from
that
two
and
a
half
billion
dollars
that,
because
I'm
seeing
that
they
they
had
sites
all
over
the
state.
But
I'm
not
aware
of
any
here
and
I
just
might
have
missed
it
director
food
did
you
want.
E
C
C
Leased,
okay,
okay,
and
if,
if
you
were
to
suggest
because
I'd
just
you
know
even
a
few
years
ago
there,
the
members
of
the
public
had
indicated
to
me
that
they
were
interested
in
having
a
combination,
retail
with
some
housing
up
above
along
bub
road,
and
they
they
thought
that
would
be
a
nice
area
for
it.
If
you
were
to
suggest
a
density
for
the
housing
in
along
there.
D
A
You,
okay,
thank
you,
councilmember
moore
and
so
you're,
pretty
much
timed
out
at
exactly
three
minutes,
sir.
So
vice
mayor
ciao,
you
had
exhausted
your
time
earlier.
So
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
move
over
to
councilmember
way.
Did
you
have
any
follow-on
or
is
that
hand
just
risen
from
the
prior
comments.
A
Right
so
have
a
couple
of
have
a
couple
of
maps
here,
we're
at
1007,
so
let's
go
ahead
and
take
a
five
minute
break
at
this
time
before
we
get
into
maps
I
and
j
and
just
to
give
the
public
a
sense
of
how
this
is
going
to
go
with
regard
to
the
feedback
we'll
go
through
inj
in
a
similar
way
that
we
went
through
the
prior
maps.
It's
just
that
after
we
ask
our
questions
about
I
and
then
ask
our
questions
about
jay.
A
A
B
Welcome,
okay,
I'm
I'm
fine
I'll,
go
ahead
and
do
that,
even
though
andy's
sharing
this
the
screen
great
absolutely
so!
Yes,
let's
see
this
is
map
I,
which
has
the
one
site,
which
is
the
mary
avenue
right
away,
which
is
adjacent
to
the
westport
or
the
oaks
project
right
now.
This
is
currently
literally
just
that
right
of
way
it's
not
a
private
parcel
yet,
but
was
seen
as
a
good
site
again
a
site
that
could
potentially
offer
some
affordable
housing
opportunities
in
this
area.
B
So
and
just
for
clarification
too,
I
think
on
a
previous
list.
This
was
listed
as
a
garden
gate
property
and
is
now
shown
in
heart
of
the
city
west.
So
if
there's
any
confusion
on
that,
I
think
that
resulted
from
maps
that
emc
had
prepared
earlier
and
in
conversion
to
the
city's
gis.
So
it's
the
same
mary
avenue
site
the
right
of
way
that
everyone's
been
looking
at
who's
followed
this
process,
it's
shown
at
30
units
per
acre
and
it's
kind
of
an
odd
configuration.
A
J
Yeah
so
boy,
I'm
going
back
to
three
and
a
half
years
ago.
First
being
on
the
council,
one
of
the
first
emails
and
meeting
requests
came
from
oren
mahoney
and
the
rotary
wanting
to
put
this
particular
site
as
a
a
special
site
for
people
with
disabilities,
wow
absolutely
fantastic.
Unfortunately,
three
and
a
half
years
later,
it
hasn't
made
much
visible
progress,
but
I
believe
staff
should
know
more
about
it.
J
The
getting
the
checks
done
for
the
amount
of
land
that
is
actually
in
the
city
versus
caltrans
or
what
whatever
state
agency
owns
that,
but
where
I'm
going
with
this
at
that
time,
my
memory
is,
is
that
oran
mahoney
was
suggesting
that
they
were
hoping
to
get
like
34
units
on
this
site.
So
that's
the
reason
I'm
bringing
this
up.
J
If,
if
the
map
that
we're
currently
looking
at
is
listing
it
at
22,
and
yet
it
was,
I
believe,
34
the
last
time
I
did
talk
to
orrin
mahoney,
which
would
have
been
about
a
year
ago
at
one
of
the
events
here
that
we
had.
It
may
have
been
the
crest
awards
or
something
here,
and
he
said
that
they
were
actually
trying
to
increase
it.
J
So
if
it
was
originally
34,
I
don't
think
they
broke
the
40
boundary,
but
I
think
he
was
saying
they
were
trying
to
increase
it
a
little
bit
and
go
to
38
or
39..
So
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there.
Staff
should
be.
On
top
of
that,
I
would
think
my
discussions
with
orrin
mahoney
was
hey.
Tell
me
how
I
can
help
move
this
thing
forward.
You
know,
and
so
it
is
on
our
work
plan,
which
I
pushed
for
the
last
several
years
saying
you
know
what
is
in
fact
the
quarterly
updates.
J
A
C
Okay,
so
thank
you,
councilmember
willie,
for
bringing
the
mary
avenue
project
up
yeah.
So
I
was
wondering
if,
if
we're
seeing-
which
I
don't
think
we
are
an
outback
steakhouse
site
in
this
list
is-
is-
is
that
in
here,
because
that
was
the
the
other
kind
of
alternative
location
for
for
having
some
the
county
had
purchased
it
potentially
for
some
eli
units.
Even
any
comment
on
that,
I.
C
C
Okay,
it
just
seems
that
we
should
include
it
otherwise
we're
making
some
assumptions,
especially
if
the
simeon
property
is
there.
They
are
interested
in
the
county,
owns
the
outback
which
they
purchased
for
housing,
and
it's
I
thought
it
was.
I
thought
it
was
about
an
acre,
but
I
could
be
wrong.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
B
D
I
I
can
try
to
help
answer
that
question.
We
we
actually
talked
to
the
county
about
that
about
the
housing
element
process
as
well,
and
we
did
not
receive
interest
owner
interest
on
developing
that
particular
site,
which
is
why
I
didn't
end
up
on
the
the
list.
However,
the
property
owner
for
the
simeon
did
that
has.
G
A
I
A
Thank
you
councilman
way.
That
was
right
about
half
a
minute
with
a
couple
and
a
half
minutes
left.
So
let
me
just
reset
my
clock
here.
Okay,
so
let
me
verify:
where
would
the?
Where
would
that
outback
steakhouse
shopping
center
be
which
map
have
we
have
we
reached
it
because
it
looks
like
we're
west
of
that
right
now,
and
so,
if
we
were
to
talk
about
it
later,
which
which
map
are
we
talking
about
here?.
A
I
would
expect
that
you
know
luke,
you
or
or
andy
would
have
that
information
readily
available
with
regard
to
which
map
we're
talking
about.
But
if,
if
neither
of
you
do
look
it
up,
let
us
know
you
know
later.
I
I'm
scrolling
back
to
the
maps.
It
doesn't
look
like
any
of
them
that
we've
seen
so
far
covers
that
particular
area.
A
E
F
There
certainly
wouldn't
be
a
problem
with
it
being
a
tier
two
site
and,
and
that
way,
as
whatever
transpires
for
the
site
progresses
in
this
next
nine
months,
we'll
be
at
a
position
to
easily
add
it
as
a
tier
one.
If,
if,
if
that's
what
the
council
desires-
or
we
could
do
so
sooner
than
that,
I
don't
foresee
an
issue.
A
Yeah
I
mean
it's
still
I
mean
given,
given
what
we
know
of
the
site.
Right,
I
mean
there's
obvious
owner
interest
in
development.
Right
I
mean
the
county
owns
it,
they
got
it
for
affordable
housing.
I
mean
that.
That's
that's
indisputable
right,
I
mean
that's
kind
of
if
we
were
to
be
looking
at,
we
would
put
a
a
you
know
mark
on
it
I
mean
I.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
netting
a
better
benefit,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
there
is
uncertainty
out
there.
I
mean
we
and
we
shouldn't
be
pre-packaging.
A
You
know
assumptions,
that's
that's
true,
so
I
mean
I
just
I
reiterate
the
question.
What
would
be
the
harm
in
you
know
taking
it
through
that
you
know
particular
exercise.
So
any
event,
that's
my
question
and
comment.
Let
me
go
ahead
and
move
back
to
council
member
willie.
Then
council,
member,
the
order
here
was
council,
member
willie
moore
vice
mayor
chow,
councilman
wayne
than
myself,
but
I've
exhausted
my
time.
So
let
me
let
me
go
back
to
councilman
moore,
I'm
sorry,
councilmember
willie.
H
C
A
G
Yeah,
I
want
to
clarify
the
purpose
of
identifying
all
these
sites.
Right
now
is
we
need
to
do
an
eir
to
do
environmental
impact
study
and
then
anything,
that's
included
could
potentially
be
developed
later
so
that
we
have
studied
them.
So
therefore,
it
seems
to
be
essential
that
we
include
outback,
because
if
it
has
a
potential
to
be
developed
that
we
want
to
study
that
right
and
then
we
might
add
additional
sites.
Now
it
doesn't
mean
they
are
included
or
not
included.
A
Yeah,
let's,
let's
just
clarify
the
question
and
I
think
vice
marriage
house
question
is
essentially
if
we,
if
we
select
this,
you
know
or
any
given
site
for
environmental
impact,
review
analysis
that
doesn't
commit
us
to
including
it
into
the
housing
element.
The
final
housing
element
is
that
correct
luke,
you
have
your
mic
on.
B
Yeah,
yes,
that
could
be
correct.
I
also
wanted
to
just
clarify
that
you're
in
a
position
tonight
to
add
sites
if
there
were
a
site
that
is
not
on
the
inventory,
such
as
the
outback
stakes
site,
that's
not
listed
as
tier
one
or
tier
two.
It
is
certainly
the
council's
prerogative
to
include
that
on
the
list
as
either
tier
one
or
tier
two
and
yeah
your
earlier
question
mayor
paul
on
the
maps
why
the
outback
stake
site
is
not
shown
anywhere.
A
A
F
A
A
F
Is-
and
we
also
want
to
be
a
little
strategic
because
we
don't
want
to
have
you
know,
200
percent
of
our
arena
as
as
a
single
approach
or
strategy
or
alternative,
because
then
our
mitigation
might
actually
overwhelm
the
reality
of
that
100
arena.
So
we
just
have
to
be
strategic
about
how
we
put
forth
our
our
different
alternatives
so
that
all
of
the
sites
that
we're
looking
to
measure
can
be
measured
and-
and
we
can
do
so
in
a
way
that
is
going
to
result
in
appropriate
environmental
mitigation.
F
A
Great
thanks
next,
we
have,
I
think,
councilmember,
did
you
have
your
hand
up,
or
was
it
taken
down?
No
okay,
so
councilmember
willie,
you
had
your
hand
up,
but
now
it's
down,
so
let's
go
ahead
and
close
that
map
h
and
move
on
to
map.
I,
rather,
let's
close
that
map
I
for
now
and
move
on
to
map
j
and
luke.
Did
you
want
to
give
us
a
brief
overview
again
on
map
j
which
looks
like
it
is
the
south
de
anza
boulevard,
special
area.
B
Yes,
thank
you,
mayor
paul,
so
yeah
the
south
deans
area
has,
as
you
can
see
by
far
the
most
total
properties.
This
is
a
uniformly
among
the
tier
1
sites
at
50
units
per
acre.
Again.
This
was
one
of
the
corridors
where
the
planning
and
housing
commissions
recommended
a
split
density
with
50
towards
the
street
30
towards
the
west
side
of
the
properties.
B
B
We
have
quite
a
few
properties.
I
think,
as
you
can
see,
starting
with
a
through
l.
There
are
some
tier
two
sites
on
here
as
well.
I
think
23f,
notably,
is
the
summer
wins
nursery,
which
there
was
some
discussion
at
the
housing
and
planning
commission
meetings
where
we
had
both
the
yamagamis
and
summerwind
nurseries
involved
in
the
discussion,
the
owners
of
yamagamis.
I
C
Okay,
thank
you.
So,
on
the
on
the
east
side,
we're
looking
at
the
danza
urban
village
from
the
city
of
san
jose
for
a
good
part
of
what
we're
looking
at
here
and
and
they've,
they
have.
They
have
the
large
senior
living
complex.
I
don't
know
if
they've
completed
that
yet,
but
it
looked
like
they
had
like
like
a
zero
zero
setback
from
the
back
of
sidewalk.
C
So
has
anyone
from
staff
looked
into
what
the
development
plans
are
on
the
the
east
side
of
danza
boulevard?
Will
it
be
more
like
what
we're
seeing
because
they're
they're
really
not
not
not
being
the
best
neighbors
to
put
it
kindly
so
are
we
can
we
expect
more
of
that
type
of
development?
That's
really
close
to
the
street
and
tall
like
that.
B
B
I
don't
know
the
density
and
height
that
they've
specified.
I
do
know
that
they
have
a
map
on
their
website.
That
showed
again,
I
believe
it's
about
it.
Maybe
nine
sites
comprised
of
about
a
dozen
properties.
I
would
assume
the
scale
of
development
is
probably
going
to
be
pretty
similar
and
urban
in
nature.
B
In
terms
of
being
multi-story,
I
would,
I
would
assume
densities
that
are
probably
going
to
be
in
the
50
unit
range
and
up
from
there
for
a
pardon,
and
I
and
above
that
I
would
assume
I
would
assume
that
that's
the
case.
I
know
well,
for
instance,
in
west
san
jose
there
was
a
project
completed
about
two
years
ago,
near
santana
row
on
winchester
boulevard,
near
williams,
it's
five-story
apartment
development,
called
lynn
haven
and
the
density
for
that
is
83
per
acre.
B
We
can
certainly
try
to
learn
more
because
the
sites
were
have
only
been
up.
I
want
to
say
for
a
few
weeks
at
this
point
30
seconds,
so
if
we
can
learn
some
more
about
the
the
nature
of
them
we'd
be
happy
to.
But
yes,
san
jose
is
definitely
going
to
be
putting
some
housing
sites
along
this
corridor.
C
C
G
G
G
G
Similarly,
on
the
board
side,
that's
bordering
sunnyvale
are:
are
there
other
development
being
planned
by
sunnyvale
and
so
in
saratoga?
I
think
they
also
placed
some
development
near
the
northern
part
of
the
the
near
prospect
road
I
wish
yeah.
So
I
think
we
should
have
some
idea
of
what's
coming
and
these
are
likely
should
all
be
included
in
the
eir
right.
So
would
our
eir
include
all
this?
B
Yeah
environmental
impact
reports
typically
look
at
if
other
cities
have
a
proposed
development
of
budding
your
city
limits
you,
you
would
be
looking
at
that.
You
essentially
look
at
all
of
the
cumulative
impacts
and
any
project
that
is
known.
That
could
affect
say
you
know
traffic
or
things
that
are
regional.
You
need
to
take
into
account
all
that
you're
aware
of,
and
how
that's
going
to
affect
your
your
conditions
in
the
future.
G
G
B
G
B
That's
partially
true
because
there
was
again
a
desire
to
try
to
have
sites
while
in
some
ways
this
is
right
down
the
middle.
We
sort
of
looked
at
de
anza
boulevard
as
the
east
west
divide,
and
this
was
one
area
on
the
west
side.
So
to
speak,
where
you,
you
had
development
opportunity
between
prospect,
road
and
highway
85
along
south
india
boulevard
a
lot
of
the
other
western
western
side
of
the
city.
It
was
largely
single-family
or
did
not
have
as
many
properties
that
appeared
to
be
viable
housing
sites.
H
A
Curious
you're
well
over
time,
vice
mayor,
so
let
me
go
ahead
and
turn
this
over
to
council
member
willie.
If
you
have
any
comments
on
this
map
or
questions,
you'll
see
your
time.
Okay.
So
let
me
go
ahead
and
ask
my
question
or
question
so
I'm
noticing
that
the
pipeline
project
here
is
listed
and
elsewhere
in
the
packet,
as
I
think
it
was
7357
prospect,
yes
73.50,
so
is
that
the
entire
shopping
center
there
or
is
that
some
other
site?
A
Okay,
so
you
know
just
looking
at
the
acreage,
or
at
least
the
relative
size
to
other
parcels
and
then
looking
at
what
the
pipeline
information
has
it.
It
seems
to
be
a
bit
so
so,
basically,
the
total
net
new
units-
and
it
doesn't
look
like
there-
are
housing
units
on
there
right
now
on
page
171
of
the
packet
is
34..
D
H
A
D
B
Yeah,
thank
you
pew.
I
was
just
gonna
try
to
jump
in
on
that.
I
I
don't
have
an
answer
on
the
retail
square
footage,
but
I
believe
it
was.
Last
month
I
had
a
conversation
with
the
architect
and
the
developer
was
involved
where
it
pointed
out
that,
given
its
location
and
listing
as
a
housing
site,
that
greater
density
was
possible.
B
So
pew
is
correct,
that
there's
town
homes
along
the
western
edge
which
the
developers
sounded
committing
to
keeping
those
because
they're
an
interface
with
the
single
family
homes,
but
they
may
be
open
to
the
idea-
and
I'm
just
saying,
based
on
that
conversation
of
adding
additional
density.
As
you
get
closer
to
the
de
anza
boulevard
corridor,
because
I
had
pointed
out
the
50
unit
per
acre,
which
was
recommended
by
the
planning
commission
uniformly.
So
there
may
be
a
chance
that
the
project
could
be
revised
to
include
more
units
based
on
that.
A
A
With
bollinger
I
mean
it
would
be,
it
would
have
been
nice
to
kind
of.
Maybe
you
know
have
some
kind
of
ability
to
have
enhanced
signalization,
but
I
mean
we're
talking
about
multiple
jurisdictions
and
on
the
other
side
of
that
is
residential,
but
here
there
seems
to
be
a
different
situation
where
the
city
on
the
other
side
of
the
street
is
looking
to
do.
You
know
kind
of
something
very
similar.
A
H
A
Think
that's
just
an
extension
essentially
of
of
of
councilman
moore's
question,
but
I
think
asked
in
a
little
bit
of
a
different
way.
You
know:
is
there
a
conversation
happening
with
regard
to
trying
to
you
know
compatibilize?
If
you
will,
you
know,
what's
going
on
on
the
west
side
and
on
the
east
side
of
the
of
the
major
thoroughfare
here.
D
D
Not
in
this
stretch,
so
there
are
about
eight
or
nine
sites
north
of
85,
where
san
jose
has
both
sides
of
the
right-of-way
okay
to
bollinger
san
jose.
Frankly,
you
know
they
have
a
zero
setback
at
deanza,
as
you
can
tell
from
the
building
that
they're
constructing
right
now
right,
so
they
we
actually
sent
letters
when
they
were
in
the
process
of
reviewing
that
project.
To
ask
for
some
sort
of
you
know
consideration
for
the
fact
that
we
actually
have
a
50-foot
setback
here
in
the
southeast
area.
D
A
H
A
D
A
I
Away,
thank
you
mayor
paul,
so
I
have
two
questions.
The
first
one.
When
we
talk
about
san
jose
interface,
wisdom,
I
think
we
should
also
look
into
the
saratoga
cities
housing
plans.
They
might
have
some
housing
close
to
where
we
are
on
prospect
and
sunnyvale
sartoka
road.
Maybe
we
could
look
into
that
and
do
a
joint
traffic
study
or
eir
or
something
like
that.
The
second
question
is
about
the
p4.
I
was
looking
this
this
carriage
house
with
34
units
of
housing.
I
A
A
J
J
J
A
C
Okay,
thank
you,
so
I
so
I
did
send
the
clerk
kirsten
at
email,
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
arrived,
but
it
it
shows
the
I
did
find
the
housing
element
site
inventory
they
have
it
on
on.
I
guess
it's
their
gis
maps,
so
I've
been
looking
at
that
and
they
have
a
number
of
lower
income
sites
which
extend
down
from
on
south
danza
boulevard
so
and
they
seem
to
have
a
layer
also
showing
their
previous
ones.
Yeah.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
there's
there's
a
number
of
sites.
C
These
are
listed
as
lower
income
sites.
I
was
just
looking
at
their
their
mapping
a
little
bit
it's
kind
of
interesting
where
they
decided
to
put
moderate
income
sites
which
is
further
over
more
towards
downtown
area
and
out
here
we
don't
have
any
any
of
the
mixes.
It's
all
lower
income
sites.
I
thought
that
was
kind
of
interesting,
but
some
are
actually
on
the
west
side
of
of
de
anza,
which
is
it's
kind
of
interesting
how
the
border
goes
anyway.
H
A
A
C
A
G
And
thank
you
councilman
burma
for
sharing
that.
I'm
really
curious
now
how
san
jose
determine
what
sites
is
considered
a
low
income
or
moderator
or
what
it
seems
we
are
not
separating
them.
According
to
this,
it
will
be
interesting
to
know
that
and
then
my
main
question
is
for
this
map
or
right
now,
but
we
showed
a
map
again.
Twenty
three,
the
size,
23.
G
G
G
B
G
B
D
D
D
D
G
Yeah,
that's
fine,
I
mean
just
it.
Hopefully
we
will.
We
will
have
a
dock
with
this,
because
I
can
remember
everything,
but
that's
fine.
So
another
question
is
regarding
the
pipeline
project.
So
we
are
we
reaching
out
to
them
to
invite
them
to
join
housing,
elements
to
be
considered
for
rezoning
to
higher
density
things.
They
are
missing.
It
seems
they
are
missing
this
opportunity.
Maybe
they
would
consider.
D
G
Mean
the
pipeline
side,
I
mean
it
seems
we
are
including
a
lot
of
people
who
have
a
proposal.
They
really
want
to
build
then
how,
as
a
result,
they
are
missing
this
opportunity
of
many
of
these
other
sites
are
being
zoned
from
30
units
up
zoned
to
more
and
30.
So,
but
then
these
who
are
already
in
the
pipeline,
don't
didn't
get
that
benefit.
That
seems
to
be
unfair
to
them.
So
did
we
offer
them
that
they
can
be
considered
for
housing
element,
or
are
they
declining
that
because
they
want
to
get
going.
D
A
Thank
you,
okay,
thank
you.
Vice
mentioned,
and
councilmember
you
had
your
hand
raised
was
that
from
before?
Okay,
let's
do
this
at
this
time,
let's
go
to
our
members
of
the
public
and
we
did
just
go
over
maps
I
and
j,
and
so
we'll
open
up
an
opportunity
for
members
of
the
public
to
share
their
perspectives,
and
so
let's
go
ahead
and
go
to
lisa
warren
on
zoom,
who
is
the
only
hand
raised,
and
so
please
the
remaining
members
of
the
public
here.
A
M
Thanks,
okay,
so
I
just
want
to
ask:
this
is
a
general
thing
I
heard
earlier
that
across
the
board,
I
think,
is
what
I
heard.
The
target
density
and
the
target
heights
need
to
be
corrected
on
all
these
maps,
because
they
all
basically
say
the
same.
What
was
determined
to
be
incorrect
heights
for
the
density?
M
To
my
knowledge,
it
is
still
the
same
owner.
It
has
been
on
the
market.
I've
been
told
recently
that
well
the
city's
been
told
recently
that
it
is
in
contract
with
someone
to
purchase.
So
I'm
wondering
who
has
indicated
the
interest,
the
current
owner
or
the
potential
future
owner
and
the
motivation
that
time
between
either
one
of
those
answers.
M
21.
Sorry,
I
don't
have
that.
No,
the
dog
ate
it
the
kelly
moore
site.
You
know
the
term
underutilized
is
used.
Often
in
these
situations-
and
I
could
tell
you
the
kelly
moore
site
is
completely
underutilized.
They
took
over
the
granite
rock,
basically
their
materials
were
there.
They
had.
You
know,
house
materials
for
granite
rock
and
they
had
a
huge
showroom
with
examples
of
what
could
be
done
and
yada
yada.
They
took
up
that
whole
building.
Kelly
moore
works
at
the
very
front
and
the
back
is
they
store?
M
You
look
back
in
the
back
and
there's
a
few
cans
amongst
a
lot
of
empty
space.
So
I
and
I
I
think
it
was
pew
that
said
earlier-
that
planning
commission
upped
30
dwelling
units
per
acre
on
most
of
those
23
map
sites
and
that
scene.
I
have
notes
that
they
did
as
the
same,
but
that's
not
reflected
in
what
the
august
9th
chart
says,
there's
still
some
30s
in
there.
A
A
O
Hi
there,
everybody
just
a
kind
of
a
random
question
about
the
shortfall
of
very
low
and
moderate
units
right
now,
so
I'm
trying
to
understand
or
get
a
context
so
with
respect
to
future
development
potential
of
non-pipeline
sites
on
the
recommended
sites
inventory
that
are
targeted
for
30
du,
an
acre
or
above
in
this
case
it's
30
or
50.
It
generally
seems
like
it's
shaking
out
at
how
should
property
owners
of
these
sites
that
are
on
the
call
tonight
understand
how
affordability
restrictions
might
play
into
their
site's
future
development
potential.
O
In
other
words,
is
it
safe
to
assume
that
when
you
have
property
owner
interest
from
say
the
yamagami
nursery
site
at
50
units,
an
acre,
the
list
is
showing
a
total
of
121
units,
or
you
know
mr
cooper's
kelly
moore
paint
site
that
these
sites
will
essentially
be
a
hundred
percent.
Affordable
housing
sites?
Is
that
the
intent
when
you're
looking
at
these
sites
on
dan's
boulevard
that
can
take
perhaps
higher
density
than
other
sites
in
the
city?
O
I
think
it's
important
to
understand,
and
I
think
that
today
there
haven't
been
a
lot
of
discussions
about
how
all
of
these
sites
we're
going
through
at
30
or
50,
ultimately
play
out
to
how
many
affordable
units
are
going
to
be
needed
to
be
at
the
site
and
I'd
love
to
know
is:
is
it
a
requirement
or
is
it
just?
You
know
hey.
This
is
a
50
united
acres
site
and
as
long
as
you
meet
the
15
in
lieu
requirement,
everybody
square
because
that's
going
to
hurt
potentially
the
shortfall
you're
trying
to
solve.
O
So
I
think
understanding
how
that
math
will
work
and
then,
when
that
math
will
be
will
be
shown,
I
think
would
be
would
be
valuable
and
I
think,
in
this
last
site
that
we
looked
at,
I
mean
there
are
sites
on
there.
Like
you
know,
summer
wins
that's
owned
by
the
corporate
nursery
parent.
You
know
and
you've
got
jack
in
the
box
on
there.
O
That
has
been
there
since
I
was
in
high
school
30
years
ago
and
there
might
be
sites
that
are
getting
set
up
for
hcd
to
say
well,
there's
a
long-term
lease
on
that.
So
we're
not
going
to
accept
it,
and
so
I
just
say
that
with
all
due
respect,
but
I
just
curious
if
you
could
comment
on
how
that
affordability,
when
you're
talking
in
30
plus
unit
an
acre
of
what
the
city's
expectation
is
because
I
think,
in
the
context
of
this
it's
to
solve
that
1500
unit
shortfall
of
very
low
and
moderate.
A
Yeah
really
good
question
scott,
so
I
you
know
we
alluded
to
this
earlier,
but
with
regard
to
the
the
dwelling
units
per
acre
density,
once
you
reach
a
certain
threshold
and
that's
30
dollar
units
per
acre
statutorily,
you
have
certain
presumption
for
the
purposes
of
the
housing
element
and
zoning
and
potential
invocation
that
you
do
have
a
very
low
income
and
low
income.
Affordability.
L
A
If
I
do
I
apologize,
but
so
so
I
I
think
that's
the
essentially
complete
answer
to
that.
There's
no
additional
threshold
at
50
dwelling
units
per
acre
that
confer
any
presumptions
in
the
statutes
as
far
as
I'm
aware,
but
if,
if
there
is
I'm
sure
the
city
attorney,
would
let
us
know
and
if
I've
said
anything
inaccurate,
please,
you
know
feel
free
to
you.
H
A
A
You
know
parts
you
know
the
bub
road
corridor
to
examine
that
and-
and
I
think
it
was
map
22
that
andy
had
indicated-
would
encompass
also
the
the
outback
stakes
out
stakeout
site,
and
so
let's
go
for
some
follow-on
comments
at
this
point
from
council.
If
there
are
any
and
vice
mayor
ciao,
I
see
your
hand
is
raised,
did
you
have
and
so
yeah
everyone's
hand
has
gone
up
at
this
point?.
H
G
I
actually
have
mentioned
this
to
staff
a
few
times
and
I
have
been
waiting
when
it
will
be
on
the
council
agenda,
so
I
can
suggest
this
and
finally
it's
here,
and
so
this
is
a
site,
that's
to
the
west
of
post
office.
It's
three
parcels
that
they
are
too
small,
but
then
I
think
that
the
staff
is
considered
parcel
consolidation.
G
G
I
saw
this
this
particular
site
is
.568
acre,
I'm
just
throwing
out
the
idea.
I
don't
really
have
a
strong
feeling
whether
this
should
be
included
or
not
included,
but
I
just
thought
similar
sites
have
been
included
in
other
areas
of
the
city.
It
seems
it
should
it's
only
fair
to
consider
this,
because
there
is
very
little
sign
considered
in
this
area
and
for
this
one
also
it's
a
similar
site.
But
then,
if
you
consolidate
three
sites
together,
that's
the
anchorage
there
that
you
can
make
a
bigger
site,
and
then
this
is
a
bubble.
G
Road
area
that
consuming
broadway
mentioned
many
of
these
sites
are
actually
pretty
big
in
size.
There
is
one
side
even
owned
by
on
santa
cruz
is
extension,
so
I
wonder
if
they
have
interest,
I
think
whether
there
is
long-term
lease
or
not
whether
there
is
interest,
we
really
should
seriously
consider
these
sites.
Otherwise
it's
really
not
fair
to
the
other
areas
of
the
city
where
we
did
include
those
sites,
even
in
tier
one,
when
there
is
no
owner
interest.
Thank
you.
J
Yeah
that
that
actually
is
very
good.
Thank
you
vice
mayor
that
was
kind
of
once
again
going
to
encompass
what
I
was
going
to
to
refer
to,
where
I
really
like
the
maps
that
we're
going
through
and
for
consistency's
sake,
having
those
maps
for
these
sites
that
we're
talking
about
looking
at
may
not
make
it.
J
C
C
I
Thank
you
mayor,
paul.
Just
very
briefly,
I
think
was
mentioned
by
other
a
couple.
Other
council
members
that
our
entitled
properties
we
might
be
able
to
offer
them
some
more
density,
especially
I'm
looking
at
the
west
port,
the
last
portion
that
was
sold
to
taylor
morrison
for
ada
royal
royal
homes
and
town
homes,
that
neighborhood
is
really
by
the
freeway
and
the
dog
park
and
apartments
adjacent
to
park.
I
I
wonder
if
we
could
offer
them
a
little
more
density
so
that
we
could
have
a
little
more
housing
in
that
area
right
across
from
dienza
college,
maybe
some
dorms
for
the
students,
type
of
thing
or
even
teacher
housing,
and
I
don't
know
about
the
marina
food
side.
It's
probably
in
the
process.
I
wonder
if
that
side
could
have
a
little
more
density
too,
because
the
location
is
really
right
on
the
major
streets.
So
just
some
proposals
for
existing
entitled
properties.
Maybe
we
could
looking
to
offer
them
a
little
bit
more
density.
A
A
P
P
I
believe,
is
30
dwelling
unit
per
acre
at
the
45
feet
height,
so
we'll
correct
that
and
we'll
also
consolidate
the
comments
I
received
so
far
and
present
that
to
council
to
see
how
much
that
will
be
directed.
There
are
a
lot
of
wonderful
comments
that
were
provided
tonight.
I
don't
know
if
planning
staff
will
have
time
to
have
those
feedback
and
follow
up
by
tomorrow,
but
certainly
they
could
be
addressed
in
the
draft
document
or
we'll
have
a
separate
study
session
after
that.
P
A
Well,
without
without
opening
the
door
to
reiterating
everything,
that's
been
repeated
that
you
didn't
hear.
City
manager,
wu
recite
with
the
understanding
that
you
know
again,
there's
been
a
commitment
to
summarize
the
the
comments
that
have
been
heard
and
also
it
probably
would
be
helpful
if
you
shared
material
to
send
that
over
to
the
city
clerk
to
be
able
to
be
shared
with
with
staff
the
city
manager,
as
well
as
the
cdd
department,
because
presumptively
they'll,
be.
A
You
know
incorporating
that,
if
available
into
the
notes
that
are
available
to
both
the
public
and
to
us
for
tomorrow
evening's
meeting.
So
without
inviting
again
overly
extensive
reiteration
of
what
we've
already
discussed
this
evening,
let
me
go
back
in
order.
I
have
hands
raised
from
council
member
willie
vice
mayor,
chao
and
councilmember
moore
councilmember.
Wooley
is
lowering
his
hand
right
now
and
vice
mayor
ciao.
Let's
go
to
you
before
councilman
moore.
G
P
P
G
C
Thank
you
mayor
paul,
so
I
just
want
to
repeat
and
also
clarify
that
my
complaint
is
with
the
developer,
because
it
looks
if
my
if
the
math,
when
I
looked
in
their
plan,
set
I'm
seeing
not
361
very
low
income
units
but
267
and
my
complaint
is
that
they
used
the
modification
allowance
to
decrease
the
the
inclusionary
housing
at
the
at
the
very
low
income
level
and
move
it
up
to
the
the
low
income.
So
I
want
I
would
like
staff
to
double
check
if
I'm.
L
A
Okay,
well
thanks
very
much,
and
that
does
it
for
our
council
comments
at
this
time.
So
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
continue
this
to
tomorrow
evening
per
my
discussion
with
the
city
attorney
at
the
very
beginning
of
the
meeting,
we're
not
going
to
go
ahead
and
continue
it
as
an
exclusively
zoom
meeting.
A
It
will
be
a
hybrid
meeting.
This
space
will
be
available.
Council
and
you
know,
attendees
are
free
to
attend
in
person
if
they
wish,
but
under
our
current
protocols.
Even
a
meeting
like
this
or
for
that
matter
are
regularly
scheduled
meetings.
You
could
be
coming
into
an
empty
chamber,
but
of
course
we
don't
want
to
notice
them
as
such
and
not
show
up
so
so
tomorrow.
This
space
will
be
available
in
case.
Anyone
wants
to.
A
L
A
J
A
C
A
Okay,
so
we'll
effectively
have
a
zoom
meeting
tomorrow,
folks
and
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
continue
this
meeting,
as
noticed
originally
as
a
hybrid
meeting.
But
if
you
do
decide
to
come
into
community
hall,
I
guess
apologies
in
advance
for
the
relative
loneliness
of
the
experience.
So
thank
you
very
much.
We
will
be
adjourning
this
meeting
and
we'll
continue
it
tomorrow
evening
at
5
pm.
That's
tuesday
august
30th
2022..
Thanks
very
much
we'll
see
you
tomorrow.