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Coverage of the May 24, 2022 Cupertino Planning Commission Teleconference Meeting.
A
A
B
B
May
we
have
the
roll
call.
Please.
C
B
E
Yeah,
I
wasn't
here
on
the
last
one
I
was
traveling
in
india,
so.
B
F
Chair,
I'm
actually
pulling
the
agenda
up
to
check.
There's
there's
no
minute
submitted,
so
it's
not
on
the
agenda.
F
They
they
haven't
been
prepared
yet
or
they're
in
the
process
of
being
prepared.
They
will
be
presented
as
soon
as
they're,
ready.
F
B
B
Anyone
wishing
to
speak
on
an
item
not
on
the
agenda
can
have
three
minutes
and
do
we
have
well
after
anyone
speaks,
we
can
move
on
if
there's
any
oral
communications
that
are
submitted
electronically
during
the
time
it's
open.
So
let
me
move
to
the
participants
one
second
and
okay.
Anyone
wishing
to
speak
during
oral
can
raise
their
hand.
I
don't
see
anyone
with
their
hand,
raised
going
once
going
twice
going
three
times:
okay,.
G
F
B
B
B
F
Chair,
we
do
not
have
a
staff
report.
This
is
the
same
material
that
was
presented
to
the
commission
at
the
april
26th
meeting
that
that
presentation
was
conducted
by
emc.
However,
we
do
have
the
sites
list
and
all
the
attachments
that
were
available
with
that
agenda
with
us.
So
if
you
have
any
questions
about
any
of
that,
we're
happy
to
share
that
stuff
with
you.
B
Okay,
why
don't
you
bring
up
the
the
map
of
the
recommended
site?
Inventory
item
item
two
on.
H
F
We
did
have
a
cep
meeting
a
cep,
strategic
advisory
committee
meeting.
We
also
had
a
community
meeting
that
occurred
last
night,
so
there
was
a
lot
of
work
that
goes
into
on
the
back
end
of
preparing
for
those
meetings
and
actually
presenting
materials
require
just
the
logistics
of
it
all
and
as
a
result,
there
was
yes
you're
right.
There
was
no
additional
work
that
was
done
on
this
particular
item.
F
B
Okay
wow
in
four
weeks
there
was
no
additional
work.
You
know
what
are
our
chances
of
finishing
this
in
time.
Considering
you
know
the
lack
of
progress.
F
As
you
are
aware,
chair
yeah,
you
are
a
member
of
the
committee
with
the
strategic
advisory
committee
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
is
coming
out
of
from
recommendations
of
the
strategic
advisory
committee,
and
so
we've
been
focusing
on
doing
all
of
that
work,
and
so,
while
it
may
not
seem
apparent
that
work
is
progressing,
we
are
progressing
on
outreach
and
other
pieces
of
the
project,
not
necessarily
on
the
site's
inventory
and-
and
this
this
item
was
put
on
this
agenda.
At
your
request.
B
F
B
You
know
so
the
reason
I
brought
this
back
is
we
didn't
you
know
the
previous
planning
commission
meeting
was
canceled.
There
were
a
lot
of
residents
complaining
about
that
and
to
cancel
two
planning
commissions
in
a
row
and
not
have
the
public
have
a
chance
to
comment
I
mean
to
me
was
not
acceptable
and
I
am
disappointed
that
there's
been
no
progress
on
the
site
selection.
So
when
is
this
going
to
city
council?
B
F
Well,
at
the
last
meeting,
the
planning
commission
did
say
state
that
they
would
not
want
to
see
this
again,
which
is
why
we
suggested
that
it
would
go
to
city
council,
but
if
it
is
the
planning
commission
as
well
on
seeing
it
again,
we
do
plan
to
bring
this
back
in
june.
If
that
is
the
will
of
this
commission.
B
I
Thank
you
and
thanks
for
having
us
on
the
agenda
just
to
talk
about
it.
However,
it
can
be
talked
about,
and-
and
I
understood
that
the
city
council,
or
at
least
some
members-
I
don't
know
if
there
was
a
vote-
requested-
that
it
go
back
to
planning
commission
before
it
came
to
them
with
with
any
changes
that
may
have
happened
since
four
weeks
ago.
Not
like
today
doesn't
count,
I
hope
anyway,
and
pew
mentioned
just
now
that
outreach
has
been
happening.
I
I
I
kind
of
would
like
to
know
what
that
has
been,
and
if
some
of
the
requests
to
reach
out
to
people
who
didn't
respond,
yay
or
nay,
property
owners
attempt
to
get
like
pizza
hut
and
fontanas
and
any
others
that
were
mentioned
well,
everybody
that
didn't
respond.
I
I
I'd
like
to
know
if
that
happened
and
if
there
was
any
new
information,
because
if
staff's
been
working
on
outreach,
I
hope
it
doesn't
only
include
the
affh
items
and
I
did
attend
last
night's
meeting.
Well,
I
don't
know
it
was.
It
was
good
and
it
I
think
I
had
a
good
turnout.
I
I
don't
know
how
that
information
is
getting
carried
on
to
other
people
that
weren't
there.
I
and
I
did
after
the
meeting,
speak
to
andy
from
emc
and
to
luke
as
well.
So
I
knew
that
there
wasn't
from
speaking
to
them.
I
knew
that
tonight's
information
wasn't
going
to
be
really
any
different,
but
I
I
am
concerned
that
not
all
the
count
planning
commissioners
were
at
that
meeting,
where
we
all
did
that
dialogue
and
I
and
the
minutes
aren't
there
for
them
to
look
at.
I
I
hope
I
I
think
it
wasn't
just
mooney.
I
think
someone
else
was
in
and
out
or
missing.
I
hope
that
you
guys
have
all
even
the
people
that
were
there
look
watch
the
video
again,
please
to
refresh
your
memory
of
what
was
said.
What
was
requested
because
think
it
wasn't
just
your
body
asking
for
things
to
be
done,
but
it
was
residents
asking
for
much
of
the
same
thing
and
it
would
be
nice
if
there's
feedback
and
then
on
last
monday.
I
What
is
it?
The
the
advisory
committee?
There
was
a
property
owner
that
was
very
frustrated.
That
they've
never
heard
whether
they're
on
the
site
selection
list
and
it's
like
they
were
asked.
They
responded
and
they
never
heard
back,
and
so
that
brings
in
another
layer
of
an
issue
if
people
that
did
respond
are
not
hearing
back
and
some
people
that
didn't
respond,
if
they're
not
being
reached
out
to
again,
I'm
not
saying
they
aren't,
but
I
just
would
like
to
know
what
has
happened
in
that
four
weeks
so,
like
out
of
time.
B
All
right,
thank
you,
lisa,
and
regarding
the
meeting
last
night,
we
were
advised
by
the
city
attorney
that
while
we
could
watch
it,
we
were
not
allowed
to
participate.
So
this
was
for
the
advisory
committee,
so
I
did
not
attend
and
will
watch
the
video
instead.
J
Hi
there
good
evening,
planning,
commission
and
chair
sharp
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak.
Chair
sheriff,
I
I
I
share
your
sentiment
about
what
appears
at
least
at
you
know.
50
000
feet
is
not
a
lot
of
stuff
having
been
done
since
the
last
previous
planning
commission
meeting,
and
I
think
your
question
of
can
we
get
this
done
in
time
is
a
really
valid
question.
I
mean,
I
think,
if
you're
a
property
owner
now
and
your
site
is
on
the
site
inventory
list.
The
only
thing
that
you
know
right
now
is
is
a
density
range.
J
I
know
property
owners
whose
properties
are
on
the
side
inventory
list
that
have
questions
about
potential
commercial
requirements
for
their
property
relative
to
the
density
range
and
they've
had
a
really
hard
time
getting
any
kind
of
response
from
staff
to
just
understand
it.
Even
a
rudimentary
level
of
of
you
know
what
they
can
expect
from
this
initial
density
range,
and
I
think
it
feels
like
there's
not
a
lot
of
robust
debate
around
the
site
inventory
list.
I
know
when
I
spoke
last
month.
J
That
weren't
necessarily
deleted,
at
least
in
my
recollection
in
the
last
planning
commission
meeting,
and
I
think
you
know
you've
got
such
a
road
ahead
of
you.
I
mean
you've
got
to
establish
the
site
inventory
list
with
all
the
detail
and
that
detail
involves
you
know
what
sites
will.
It
will
include
what
level
of
affordability
ultimately
accumulating
to
a
total
number?
J
Obviously,
cupertino
is
lucky
because
valko's
going
to
take
a
big
chunk
out
of
it
out
of
that
arena
requirement,
but
I
think
you
know
once
you
once
the
council
approves
the
inventory
list
when
it
ultimately
gets
to
them.
There
is
still
90
to
120
days
of
the
eir
notification,
the
prep
the
work
before
it
even
gets
submitted
to
the
state.
J
J
Where
are
we
at
and
there's
not
a
lot
of
substantive
leadership,
and
I'm
not
saying
that
from
a
planning
commissioner
anybody's
perspective,
I
just
think
again
I
get
back
to
the
leadership
from
the
consultant,
because
that's
what
the
city
is
paying
the
consultant
for
so
I
would
just
I'd
be
curious
as
to
how
the
content
of
this
meeting
is
going
to
go,
because
I
think,
ultimately,
the
council
is
looking
for
recommendations
on
this
inventory
list
from
the
commission
so
that
they
can
then
take
that
thoughtfulness
that
you've
put
towards
the
list
and
enroll
into
their
own
discussions.
J
So
I
just
I
I
feel
like
we're
sort
of
going
in
circles
in
this.
I
know
everybody's
doing
the
best
that
they
can,
but
I
I
think
it's
it's
lacking
a
leadership
from
the
consultant.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
scott.
Would
anyone
else
like
to
speak
before
I
bring
it
back
to
the
staff
and
planning
commission
members.
I
don't
see
any
other
hands
raised,
so
I
will
bring
it
back.
I
see
one
hand
raised
by
commissioner
manipatla
and
then
after
him
sanjeev
so
go
ahead.
Mooney.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
chair,
so
so
first
of
all
I
certainly
know
didn't
want
to
miss
last
meeting,
even
though
I
was
traveling
in
india.
I
wanted
to
be
in
that
meeting
because
I
know
this
is
an
important
topic,
but
unfortunately
you
know
where
I
was.
I
didn't,
have
you
know
proper
reception,
so
I
had
to
you
know,
bail
out
right
after
attempting
a
few
times
not
to
join.
E
You
know
I
couldn't
join
so
so
I
was
really
feeling
bad
and
about
missing
out
on
the
intensive
discussion
on
this
topic,
but
I'm
happy
that
you
know
it
came
back
again
in
this
meeting,
so
I
went
through
all
the
materials
you
know
that
was
shared
and
and
so
kind
of
now
I'm
up
to
speed.
So
I
really
appreciate
you
know
you
know
bringing
back
again
and
sharing
all
the
materials,
the
presentations
from
last
meeting
and
all
that
right.
So
so
there's
an
opportunity
for
me
to
weigh
in
on
this.
E
So
with
that
being
said,
I
have
a
question
for
planning
manager
for
you,
one
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about.
Knowing
the
previous
meetings
was,
you
know
to
get
a
excel
spreadsheet
off
in
all
the
properties.
You
know
400
plus
properties
with
various
attributes,
so
that
we
can
kind
of
you
know
slice
and
dice
the
data
in
terms
of
you
know
the
size,
and
you
know
what
is
it
shown
for,
and
you
know
stuff
like
that
right.
So
it
was
hard
to
work
on.
K
Yeah,
I
think
there
was
an
attempt
by
emc
to
try
to
get
the
number
of
sites
more
manageable,
so
the
spreadsheet
presented
at
the
april
26
meeting
had
the
recommended
properties
and
then
it
had
sites
not
recommended.
They
became
different
worksheets
on
that
spreadsheet.
K
I
think
just
to
try
to
enable
a
more
focused
conversation,
because
the
390
some
sites
was
seen
as
too
large.
So
I
think
that
was
the
decision
that
our
consultant
made
to
try
to
make
the
discussion
go
more
smoothly
on
april
26th.
E
You
know,
sites
of
certain
size
to
start
with
and
then
you
know
start
plugging
in
numbers
and
then
you
know
and
then
look
at
you
know
certain
types
of
zoning
right,
so
you
can
filter
them
based
on
the
zoning
type
and
all
that
and
then
the
geographical,
like
you
know
the
the
location
right
so
so
it
makes
it
easy
to
work
right
because
a
lot
of
community
input
is,
you
know
like
they
want
to
see
it
distributed
right
so
and
ins
instead
of
you,
know,
working
from
this
map,
which
is
not
kind
of
going
to
make
it
hard,
especially
it
would
have
been
much
easier.
E
You
know
I
don't
know
if
it's
too
late,
but
I
would
like
to
see
that
spreadsheet.
You
know
if
it's
possible.
E
B
Yeah
mooney,
let
me
interrupt
as
well
the
the
one
of
the
issues
with
that
spreadsheet
was
quote,
not
recommended.
It
didn't
mean
that
the
site
there
was
something
wrong
with
the
site
and
that
we
shouldn't
look
at
it.
It
meant
that
the
property
owner
had
not
responded
to
the
outreach
and
one
of
the
things
we
brought
up
was
we
wanted
in
the
last.
You
know,
since
that
meeting
we
wanted
more
outreach
to
the
property
owners
that
didn't
respond,
especially
the
ones
that
would
seem
to
be
excellent
locations.
B
You
know
someone
mentioned
pizza,
hut
and
and
fontanas
and
other
locations
where
you
can't
just
send
a
letter
or
a
postcard,
and
then,
if
you
don't
get
a
response,
you
get
just
give
up.
That's
you
know
that
is
not
acceptable,
but
that
seems
to
be
what
happened
with
the
mc,
and
I
thought
they
agreed
that
they
would
do
further
outreach
and
not
just
sending
another
post
mail
but
actually
contacting
these
property
owners
and
luke
do
you
know.
Has
any
of
that
happened
in
the
last
month.
K
No,
I
believe
that
the
focus
on
outreach
has
really
been
on
going
into
the
meeting
like
last
night
for
the
community
meeting
and
what
we've
been
meeting
with
the
advisory
committee
on
more
of
the
af
affh
based
outreach
and
community
engagement.
There
hasn't
been
any
additional
direct
outreach
to
property
owners.
D
A
couple
of
questions
on
the
last
meeting,
we
had
a
very
long
meeting
four
hours
worth
of
meeting
last
time
in
april,
and
I
think
the
minutes
would
have
been
very
useful
because
meeting
being
long
lot
of
discussion
happened
and
a
lot
of
comments
were
made.
D
That
would
have
helped
this
meeting
substantially.
If
those
minutes
were
made
available,
I
was
looking
for
it
didn't
get
it
but
anyways.
I
have
few
comments.
We
did
discuss
a
lot
among
the
recommended
sites,
inventory
side-by-side
places
and
we
captured
a
lot
of
comments
from
the
residents
and
public
in
general.
D
It
would
be
useful
to
to
get
a
little
bit
explanation,
because
that
is
a
substantial
list
as
well,
and
what
I
see
there
is
that
there
are
lots
which
are
fairly
large
all
the
way
I
can
see.
Some
of
them
are
even
five
acres,
seven
acres
and
things
like
that,
and
so
it
definitely
falls
in
the
range
of
0.5
to
10
acres,
which
is
so,
and
there
are
16
or
17.
18
zones
are
mapped
into
it,
so
there's
some
level
of
discussion
is
required.
Why?
D
How
that
has
been
sorted
out?
That's
one
question
that
is
second,
I
just
was
trying
to
understand
from.
Maybe
you
or
somebody
else
can
explain
to
me
that
in
the
attachment
which
you
sent
out
the
there
is
a
significant
difference
between
the
simulator
average
and
anticipated
capacity
right
some
of
them.
We
see
that
three
times
difference
in
those.
So
how
what
is
the?
D
D
F
D
Third
question:
I
was
trying
to
say
that
in
the
recommended
site
listing,
we
went
side
by
side
right
so
and
we
did
discuss
about
some
of
the
new
density
and
the
current
maximum
density.
There
is
a
three
times
to
four
times
four
x.
New
density
is
four
x
of
the
current
maximum
density
in
some
of
the
areas
right,
so
we
came
up
with
some.
D
I
don't
know
I
I
I
don't
recall
getting
the
right
explanation
for
it,
how
the
new
density
has
to
be
four
times
or
of
the
current
maximum
density.
D
I
did
ask
that
question
though,
but
I
was
hoping
that
that
for
each
of
those
map
ids,
you
want
to
put
in
at
least
the
public
opinion
comment
related
to
in
general,
for
that
particular
category
of
the
the
sites
which
are
listed
in
that
so
that
when
we
revisit
them,
we
know
what
we
talked
about
right.
D
It's
I
I'm
hoping
that
you'll
capture,
that
in
some
minutes
or
something
something
substantive
so
that
we
can
really
capture
that
discussion
from
the
public
on
those
parcel
sizes
versus
current
maximum
density
based
on
the
map
id.
So
we
have
18
map
ids
or
whatever
for
each
map
id.
What
is
the
rational?
D
K
Yeah,
I
think
that
we
recognized
on
the
densities
which
were
prepared
by
emc,
that
there
wasn't
a
rationale
listed
and,
in
my
conversations
with
emc,
the
recommended
densities
were
based
on
different
factors.
In
some
cases,
the
property
owner
may
have
submitted
an
interest
form
and
recommended
that
density
themselves.
I
don't
think
they
were
intended
as
a
final.
This
is
absolutely
what
the
density
needs
to
be.
K
I
think
it
was
based
on
location,
the
consultant's
judgment,
a
combination
of
the
property
owner
interest,
so
there
there
wasn't
one
consistent
factor
as
to
why
a
given
density
may
have
been
proposed.
K
I
think,
on
future
presentations,
whether
it's
before
the
commission
or
the
council,
we're
aware
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
provide
a
consistent
rationale
for
each
of
the
recommended
densities.
So
I
appreciate
the
comment
and
that's
something
we
need
to
address.
D
D
D
Instead
of
saying
I
mean
exact
number
is
very
difficult
to
get
to
it,
but
I
would.
I
would
think
that
at
least
you
are
highlighting
that
there
is
a
potential
here
for
a
displacement
and
a
high,
maybe
low
medium
and
three
three
shades
low
medium
high
to
put
it
over.
There
second
thing
is:
there
was
a
comment
about
that
that
when
we
are
proposing
his
sites
out
there
there
there
was
a
parking
on
the
other
related
concerns.
D
So
is
there
a
plan,
something
to
add
more
attributes
to
this
particular
spreadsheet,
like
recommended
site
list,
which
you
have
right
now.
K
So
to
answer
your
first
question:
yes,
I
think
in
terms
of
displacement,
especially
for
displacing
existing
units,
I
think
we
need
to
show
what
the
net
gain
is.
So,
if
you're,
removing
a
certain
amount
of
units
and
you're
proposing
a
certain
density,
what's
going
to
be
the
net
result,
that's
another
thing.
We're
aware
that
needs
to
be
acknowledged.
K
I
think,
even
in
terms
of
commercial
use,
capturing
what's
on
the
existing
site
and
if
the
site
were
to
be
redeveloped,
we
need
to
note
the
change
what's
there
today.
What
would
be
the
end
result?
K
D
Okay-
and
one
other
aspect
has
been-
I
think,
talked
about-
I
I'm
not
sure
how
that
metric
is
likely
to
be
factored
in.
D
Is
the
affordability
of
these
new
sites,
which
you
are
you
have
in
the
recommended
table,
and
so
is
there
a
metric
you
can
capture
which
tells
that
okay
map
id
1
map
id
2
all
the
way
up
to
20
f,
where
how
to
factor
in
the
affordability
factor
in
those
new
units
which
you
are
proposing,
for
instance,
you're,
proposing,
let's
say,
map
id2
you're,
proposing
129,
plus
12
141
units
right
and
out
of
which
is
there
a
way
to
figure
out
that
is
this
new
unit
will
have
how
what
is
affordability
factor
to
it.
F
I
I
can
try
to
address
that
look.
It
would
be
it's
not
always
clear,
commissioner
kapil,
whether
those
units
would
be
for
sale
or
for
rent,
and
that
does
impact.
What
the
affordability
range
is,
how
many
units
are
made
affordable,
et
cetera
on
the
low
end
we
do
have
you
know.
A
rental
program
is
a
15
program.
F
Bmr
program,
as
in
15
of
the
base
density
has
to
be
set
aside
as
bmr
units,
and
so
you
know,
but
on
the
on
the
higher
end
for
condominiums
and
other
developments,
ownership
developments,
it's
a
20
affordability
set
aside,
and
so
it
does
range.
But
if,
if
that
pleases
the
commission,
then
we
can
certainly
present.
You
know
the
range
of
units
that
could
be
affordable,
but
the
the
level
of
affordability
is
also
different.
F
D
So
in
this
table
of
recommended
sites
inventory
in
the
last
column,
then
we
say
that
colonial
units
and
we
map
them
into
the
map
ids
right
for
up
to
20
map
ids
are
there
and
we
have
listed
them
in
each
mf
id
the
total
new
units.
Do
we
have
any
insight
that
the
15
and
20
percent,
which
you
are
saying
will
make
that
apply
to
each
each
of
those
units.
F
Well,
yeah,
I
mean
so
that's
what
I
mean.
I
mean
on
a
conservative
level.
You
could
say
it's
15
of
the
total.
It
would
be
bmr
on
on
a
more
optimistic
level.
It
could
be
20
of
the
total.
D
So
it
will
be
universal,
it
will
be
on
the
total
basis,
not
per
categorized
map
for
id
basis.
Right
is
that
the
ways
it.
B
F
Which
sites
we
choose,
it
would
just
depend
on
the
developer.
That
comes
in
I
mean
if
a
market
rate
developer
ends
up
buying
a
site,
we
thought
is
going
to
be
an
affordable
site.
It
would,
you
know,
we'd,
be
overestimating.
B
B
Right,
okay,
all
right,
sorry
to
interrupt,
were
you
done
kapil.
G
H
Ahead,
hi
hi
chair,
I'm
looking
at
this
and
and
I'm
really
concerned,
and
and
it's
not
I
mean
our
job-
is
oversight
and
and
it's
oversight
over
staff
oversight
over
what's
going
on,
and
I
think
we've
got
a
project
management
issue
here
I
mean
we've,
I
think,
in
this
room
among
the
commissioners.
H
This
is
stuff
I
could
do
in
like
three
hours
or
people
could
hear,
could
do
in
five
hours
or
we'd
be
happy
to
chip
in
like
because,
like
this
doesn't
make
sense.
Put
that
spreadsheet
together,
like
an
intern,
can
do
that
in
less
than
two
hours.
Okay.
So
so
something
is
off
right
and,
and
we've
all
been
in
these
kind
of
projects
before
we've
managed
these
complexity
of
projects,
and
it's
not
acceptable.
So
so
first
question
I
have
is:
do
we
feel
emc's
competent
in
meeting
our
needs
like?
Are
they
doing
a
good
job?
H
Did
they
meet
their
performance
milestones
like
do?
We
have
a
performance
kind
of
contract
here,
and
I
know
I
know
I'm
like
you
know,
I'm
in
the
private
sector
and
we
get
stuff
done
all
right,
but
but
at
least
at
least
for
the
sake
of
our
residents
as
citizens.
This
doesn't
make
any
sense.
So
my
first
question
to
the
team
is:
are
the
consultants
meeting
established
milestones?
L
If
I
made
a
chair
to
step
in
here,
commissioner
wong,
I
just
want
to
bring
us
back
to
what's
agendas,
which
is
the
fourth
meeting
on
housing,
site,
selection
and
so
chair.
I
think
you
you.
We
understood
that
we
were
going
to
bring
this
back,
and
I'm
hopeful
that
the
commissioner
and
the
public
read
the
agenda
materials
and
understood
that
we
will
be
using
the
same
materials
from
the
last
meeting,
which
has
not
been
changed,
which
have
not
been
changed
right
right.
So
I
think
we
are.
L
Yeah,
no
point:
don't
worry
so
happy
at
this
point.
Thank
you
for
your
your
commentary,
commissioner
wong.
But
you
know
unless
there's
something
specific
you
want
to
discuss
regarding
the
materials
that
were
presented,
I
I've
been
a
request
to
share
to
to
move
on
to
to
the
next.
H
You
have
questions
right
regarding
to
what's
germaine
here
and
I
would.
I
would
actually
disagree
that
this
is
still
germane
to
the
process,
because
it
is
impacting
our
process
in
terms
of
being
effective.
But
let
me
let
me
go
to
some
other
questions
that
I
think
you'll
feel
a
little
bit
more
comfortable
with
you
know
and
to
to
in
terms
of
where
we
are,
but
I
mean
do
we
have
I
mean
based
on
what
we
have
right
here
I
mean
it
seems.
H
F
Yeah
we're
in
the
process
of
making
sure
that
our
calculations
are
correct
and
so
that
all
of
that
information
is
going
to
be
presented
at
a
future
planning.
Commission
meeting.
H
F
What's
the
date,
it
depends
on
the
additional
work
that
that
we
have
to
do
in
order
to
it's
a
resource
situation.
Commissioner
wong
resource.
F
On
both
ends,
we
have
a
consultant
doing
this
work
for
us
because
there
are
resource
challenges.
On
our
end,
however,
I
see
that
the
assist
the
assistant
city
attorney
has
his
hand
raised
and
I'll.
Let.
F
L
Again
again,
all
really
excellent
questions,
and
you
know
that's
why
we're
looking
forward
to
this
meeting
to
solicit
the
commission's
views
and
further
comments
on
site
selection
and
the
materials
that
are
presented
and
then
it'll
allow
us
to
continue.
Our
staff
continue
to
work
with
the
consultant,
taking
back
to
good
comments
and
observations
and
to
follow
up
on
on
all
of
those
for
for
a
future
meeting,
either
back
here
or
with
the
council.
But
your
your
input
is
very
valuable.
We
want
to
provide
you
the
opportunity
now
to
resent
those
with
respect
to.
H
H
L
B
L
I'm
saying,
as
articulated
by
commissioner
wong,
they
appear
to
be
directed
at
management
of
of
a
specific
contract
with
the
consultants,
and
this
is
an
agenda
to
evaluate
performance
of
the
consultant.
This
agenda
is
to
discuss
the
housing
sites.
H
It
is
impacting
our
ability
to
make
a
decision
and
has
delayed
our
process.
So
therefore
it
is
germaine.
That's
my
point
here,
four
weeks
later,
four
weeks
later,
we
have
nothing.
Okay,
that
is
not
acceptable
in
any
project,
and
I
don't
care
I'm
just
telling
you
right
now.
That
is
not
acceptable
and
the
public
here
should
be
outraged
and
the
taxpayers
here
should
be
outraged
based
on
the
cost
we
are
paying
for
that
project,
but
anyways.
I
I
yield.
B
My
time,
thank
you,
okay,
commissioner
madipatla,
and
please
try
to
keep
it
directly
on
this
agenda
item.
E
Sure
yeah,
so
thank
you.
So
thanks
for
the
clarification
chair
char
on
the
not
recommended
list,
you
know
that's
not
the
way
that
I
understood
it.
When
I
saw
it
and
you
clarified
it's
not
it's.
Basically,
you
know
the
the
corners
that
haven't
responded
to
us.
Not
necessarily
we
don't
recommend
it.
So
that's
good
clarification.
E
So,
having
said
that-
and
I
also
heard
you
say
you
know
it's
a
bandwidth
issue,
so
I
have
a
related
question
to
attorney.
Is
there
anything
that's
preventing
us?
Like
you
know
some
of
us
as
commissioners,
like
you
know,
I'm
willing
to
call
some
of
these
people.
There
are
no
roughly
75
to
100
sites
that
are
on
the
not
recommended
list.
So
I
don't
mind
calling
you
know
five
at
day
right
for
next
two
weeks.
I
don't
know
who
else
is
no
willing
to
do
that,
and
you
know.
E
B
B
B
Right
are
we
allowed
to
reach
out
to
help
reach
out
to
property
owners
on
this,
for
the
sites
are
we.
B
The
ones
that
are
not
recommended,
especially
so
hopefully
this
is
germaine,
because
we
do
have
that
not
recommended
list
and
at
the
last
meeting
we
did
ask
that
they
they
reach
out
to
those
property
owners
again
and
apparently
that
has
not
occurred
in
the
last
four
weeks.
So
would
it
be
appropriate
for
the
planning,
commissioners
or
or
someone
else
to
start.
B
L
B
L
Well,
I'm
sorry,
I
cannot
still
speak
to
what
others
may
feel,
but
you
know
that's
an
interesting
question.
I
I
I
don't
think
it's
illegal
for
you,
as
a
commissioner
to
you
know,
go
next
door
to
your
neighbor
and
say:
hey:
have
you
heard
about
arena
and
hcd
and
house's
election?
L
So
you
know
I
I
don't
believe
that's
illegal.
Having
said
that,
I
I
I
do
want
to
reflect
upon
what
you're
requesting,
because,
ultimately
I
hear
the
frustration-
and
you
know
I
mean
it's
it's
it's
you
know
I
mean
we
can.
We
can
have
a
blank
line
right,
I'm
not
happy
the
way
to
improve
our
run,
and
so
I'm
going
to
you
know,
step
in
and
help
you
know
manage
supplies
for
swimming
pools.
You
know
I
just
you
know,
there's
there's,
there's
a
policy
decision.
L
I
imagine
that
that's
probably
important
to
be
discussed,
and
so
the
upshot
of
it
is.
You
know.
I
think
it's
certainly
within
your
your
purview,
just
like
just
like
members
of
the
community
who
are
who
are
watching
this
meeting,
they
can.
They
can
contact
their
friends
or
neighbors
and
and
tell
them
about
this
process,
and
certainly
that's
you
know.
We
cannot
conclude
you
from
that
right.
Having
said
that,
I
I'm
not
prepared
here
to
say
the
fictional
policy
that
this
commission
should
start
implementing
a
process
along
those
lines.
B
Right,
I
I
just
yeah
the
question
is,
would
and
obviously
we
can't
collaborate
on
that
with
more
than
two
of
us,
but
it
sounds
like
it
wouldn't
be
forbidden
for
us
to
go
out
and
look
at
that
list
and
contact
the
property
owner
and
say:
hey
you
know,
are
you
aware
that
your
site,
you
know,
might
be
appropriate
for
the?
How
you
know
a
housing
element.
E
Yeah
yeah,
it's
just
one
of
us
like
you
know,
I
want
to
call.
If
I
have
you
know
the
contact
details
for
those
70
to
80,
not
recommended
list
property
owners.
I
don't
mind
calling
you
know
five
or
10
a
day,
just
call
them
and
say
you
know
hey
because,
as
sharp
said,
like
the
mailers,
you
know
sometimes
you
know
don't
get
to
the
right
people
right.
E
So
so,
if
staff
is
bandwidth
constrained
to
call
them,
you
know
I
can
call,
and
you
know
whoever
is
willing
to
call
you
know
we
call
and
ask
them
like
hey
your
site
is
qualified
and
you
know
and
we'll
have
a
script.
You
know
what
we
can
say
what
we
cannot
say
and
see
what
their
response
is.
If
they're
interested,
then
you
know
we
can
throw
them
in
the
list
of
recommended
sites.
L
L
We
want
to
do
it,
did
it,
so
it's
a
fine
line.
I
just
don't
want
to.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
there
aren't
other
unintended
consequences
or
under
potential
conflicts
rules.
I
just
I
just
I
just
you
know
want
to
reflect
upon
this
story
right.
H
H
The
reason
I
raised
this
concern
in
such
a
forceful
tone
is
because
we're
failing
them
at
this
moment,
and
we
can't
do
that.
We
have
a
housing
crisis.
Everybody
here
is
committed
to
making
that
including
the
staff.
Here
we
have
consultants
added
to
actually
staff
up
so
to
help
us
get
there,
but
if
they're
not
doing
their
job,
someone
needs
to
call
them
out
on
it
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
make
a
point
here.
The
fact
that
they're,
not
even
on
this
call,
is
very
frustrating
to
me.
Okay
and
that's.
H
To
say
so,
we're
willing
to
help
we're
willing
to
roll
up
our
sleeves
I've
looked
through
this
document
many
times,
and
I
think
the
elements
are
there.
There's
stuff
there,
it's
just
not
pulled
together.
The
work
has
been
done.
It's
just
not
been
pulled
together
right
and
it
needs
to
be
pulled
together
in
an
effective
way
so
that
the
public
can
look
at
and
say
hey.
You
know
what
that
makes
sense.
Oh,
I
know
that
neighbor
right
and
people
make
that
call
right
now
the
data
is
so
scattered.
H
It's
useless
like
unless
you're
like,
unless
you've
got
like
hours
to
look
at
it
like
we
do
right.
The
public
can't
figure
out
left
to
right
unless
you're
housing
advocates
saying
oh,
we
want
it
over
here,
like
the
general
public,
doesn't
have
a
shot
at
making
this
work
and
that's
what
the
concern
is.
So
I'm
I'm
done
with
this
point,
but.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
commissioner
wong.
So
before
I
go
back
to
the
public,
there
was
another
thing
on
the
spreadsheet
luke.
If
they,
if
they're
able
to
add
some
columns
to
it.
One
thing
I
would
like
to
see
is
for
each
site
what
the
parking
requirements
would
be
based
on
the
location
because,
as
we
know,
there's
some
state
laws
regarding
allowing
developers
to
include
less
parking
or
no
parking
and
I'll
get
into
that
later.
In
my
next
presentation,
but
based
on
feedback
from
affordable
housing
advocates.
B
That's
a
big
issue,
because
the
residents
of
the
affordable
housing
actually
have
a
more
of
a
need
for
parking
almost
than
the
market
rate
residents,
and
I
didn't
even
realize
that
until
I
talked
to
some
affordable
housing
proponents
about
this
and
I'll
get
into
that
later,
but
that
would
be
another
a
nice
column
to
have
in
the
spreadsheet
how
many
parking
spaces
and
how
many
units.
B
K
K
So,
but
certainly
if
you
wanted
to
get
information
on
estimated
parking
based
on
the
total
number
of
units,
we
can
try
to
put
something
together
and
present
that.
B
Right,
it's
not
so
much
the
dense.
I
know
we
had
no
control
over
that
part,
but
we
do
have
control
over
is.
If
someone
comes
in
and
says,
oh,
you
know,
I
want
rezoning
for
more
units
and
higher
height
and
that's
discretionary
on
our
part.
You
know
beyond
the
density
bonus
and,
and
that
may
affect
our
decision.
B
You
know
whether
or
not
they're
going
to
provide
adequate
parking
if
we
and
that
might
sway
sway
the
council
on
the
planning
commission
as
to
whether
or
not
we
would
recommend
a
zoning
change
for
for
higher
height
and
higher
density.
So
that
that's
why
I
would
like
to
see
that
there
and
again
I'm
gonna
get
into
that
a
little
later
in
the
next
presentation.
B
J
Really
really
quickly,
commissioner
wong,
I
know
you
weren't
able
to
speak
on
to
where
you
were
going,
but
I
think
it's
got
a
lot
of
validity
and
a
lot
of
I
I
think,
you're
on
the
right
track,
and
so
I
I
wish
you
the
best
and
the
idea
of
the
planning
commission
making
calls
to
owners.
J
I
mean
why
have
a
consultant,
if
I
mean
that's
it,
it's
admirable
that
you'd
want
to
do
that,
but
I
think
that
will
confuse
things
and
I
just
think
you
got
to
have
a
sit
down
with
the
consultant
figure
out:
who's
kicking
off
and
who's
receiving,
because
all
the
things
you
said,
commissioner
wong,
are
correct
and
I
I
feel
for
you
and
I
wish
you
guys
the
best
of
luck.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
I
Okay
thanks:
this
is
going
to
be
all
over
the
place,
but
I
need
to
fit
three
minutes.
So,
first
off
the
attachments
from
emc
have
been
labeled
last
meeting
and
this
meeting
as
third
version
for
review,
which
is
totally
misleading
because
it
was
the
only
the
first
version
that
you
reviewed.
It
may
have
been
their
third
vision
version,
but
no
one
saw
it
and
no
one
saw
version
one
and
two
and
and
then
it
concerns
me
that
the
assistant
city
attorney
said
this
is
the
fourth
meeting
on
site
selection.
I
I
We
have
property
owners
that
are
wondering
what
is
going
on.
We
have
residents
and
non-residents
who
have
applied
to
be
in
a
stakeholders
which
got
shut
down
then
they're
supposed
to
be
focus
groups,
and
I
recently
heard
that
there's
no
budget
for
focus
groups.
So
since
january
we've
been
clamoring
for
people
to
give
input,
and,
oh
my
god,
we
don't
have
enough
people
to
do
this.
Okay,
we
have
some
now
this
is
our
group.
I
I
Okay,
so
here
we
are
last
time
when
I
was
speaking,
I
said
something
about
they're
also
being
need
to
be
paid
attention
to
the
units.
There's
a
requirement-
and
I
don't
know
the
document
offhand
and
I
don't
know
the
exact
paragraph
or
page,
but
there's
a
document
that
tells
you
the
housing
music
need
to
be
just.
I
Dispersed
well
throughout
the
city
yet
and
then
pugh
said
no
in
the
middle
of
me,
saying
that-
and
I
said
I
don't
think
she's
talking
to
me-
I
did
get
clarification
from
her
later
and
I
hope
she
confirms
this
that
she
was
not
talking
about
me
saying
that
being
wrong.
She
was
talking
about
something
else.
So
pew,
please
chime
in
and
say.
B
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you
pew.
Can
you
respond
to
that.
F
About
miss
well.
F
F
F
F
B
C
Okay,
hi,
my
name
is
connie
cunningham
and
for
those
who
aren't
aware,
I
do
sit
on
the
housing
commission,
I'm
speaking
for
myself.
Only
in
this
particular
case.
I
attended
the
planning
commission
meeting
on
april
the
26th,
and
I
thought
it
went
quite
well
and
there
were
lots
of
time
for
people
to
speak
and
to
get
opinions
out
and
questions
asked
and
answered
in
a
very
robust
way.
C
At
the
end
of
that,
the
chair
stated:
oh
okay,
this
is
going
forward
to
council.
We
don't
have
to
see
this
again.
I
sounded
quite
pleased
with
that.
Okay,
so
I
was
quite
surprised
in
fact
to
see
that
this
came
back
to
the
planning
commission.
C
C
I
truly
believe
that
the
reason
we're
seeing
this
tonight
is
because
the
city
council
wanted
the
planning
commission
to
see
it
again,
then
that
it
would
be
basically
the
reason
that
we're
all
here
tonight.
I
am
deeply
concerned,
perhaps
offended
by
commissioner
wang's
rant.
C
I
would
call
it
on
amc,
the
consultant
and
our
staff,
who
all
do
a
fine
job
working
hard
in
what
I
consider
very
confusing
times
where
they
get
distinctly
different
orders
from
different
people,
and
I
want
to
go
on
record
here,
as
all
commissioners
should
know,
commissioners
do
not
have
any
oversight
capacity
over
the
staff.
C
I
then
think
by
whatever
the
next
step
over.
We
don't
have
that
kind
of
direct
ability
to
give
orders
to
emc
either
it
goes
to
the
council
and
it
goes
through
the
city
manager.
I
therefore
think
personally
that
commissioner
wang
was
out
of
line,
and
I
would
certainly
think
that
that
his
behavior
approached
unacceptable
in
its
approach
to
the
staff
and
emc.
B
Okay,
thank
you
connie
and
thank
you
for
reminding
me
what
I
had
stated
two
weeks
ago,
but
I
do
remember
the
whole
thing
where
I
was
told
there
was
no
time
for
it
to
come
back
a
second
time
to
planning,
because
the
city
council
was
going
to
get
it
before.
We
would
have
a
chance,
and
actually
that
did
not
occur
at
the
last
city
council
meeting
and
I'm
not
sure
it's
going
to
occur
at
the
next
one
either.
So
it
turns
out.
B
There
is
time
for
it
to
come
back
and
I
hope
it
does
come
back
with
the
suggestions
of
the
planning
commissioners
for
modifying
the
spreadsheet
and
yeah.
Thank
you
for
attending
the
erc
meeting.
You
know
I
I
agree
with
you
that
it
would
be
nice
if
that
property
owner
would
consider
something
else,
but
that
meeting
was
just
about
the
whether
or
not
a
mitigated
negative
declaration
was
appropriate
and
in
the
future
when
it
comes
to
planning
and
city
council.
B
G
B
Okay,
anyway,
the
hand
is
not
raised
anymore,
so
I
will
move
back
to
who
has
their
hand
raised
now.
Sanji
is
your
hand
raised
from
before,
or
do
you
have
another
comment?
I
just
have.
D
One
more
comment:
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
the
last
meeting
there
were
a
lot
of
comments
by
the
public
and
there
is
a
lot
of
feedback
given
and
that
feedback
needs
to
be
incorporated
inside
this
site
inventory
list,
and
that
needs
to
be
tabled
again
here
for
planning
commission
to
to
deliberate
on
whether
that
additional
columns
or
attributes
whatever
are
added
to
the
site
inventory
list
or
any
additional
input
comes.
So
that
is
the
reason
why
you
need
this
to
be
discussed
in
planning.
Commission
again,
that's
my
opinion.
B
B
L
B
H
Yeah,
I
know
I
am
expressing
outrage,
but
not
outrage
here
only
because
the
fact
that
commissioners
have
oversight
responsibility,
we
cannot
direct
staff,
that's
true,
but
we
have
an
oversight.
Responsibility
to
the
public
for
making
sure
projects
are
on
time
that
they're
following
the
rules.
They
provide
the
input
and
it's
in
place
and
if
you're
a
commissioner
and
you're
not
doing
that
in
your
commission,
that's
abysmal!
That
should
not
be
happening,
and
so
that's
what
this
has
been
about,
and
so
I
know
the
staff
is
working
very
hard.
I
do
sympathize
on
it.
H
B
H
Am
but
I
think
that
if
we
had
input
over
the
last
four
weeks
from
the
previous
meeting
and
not
seeing
it
in
the
next
results
and
nothing
was
updated
over
the
last
four
weeks,
how
can
we
actually
get
to
a
decision
process
right?
So
so
it
is
within
council's
right
and
we
take
direction
from
council.
Ultimately
right,
we
don't
direct
city
staff,
but
I
would
encourage
council
to
push
back
on
this
question
to
city
staff
through
the
city
manager
as
to
why
this
is
delayed.
Why
we
haven't
gotten
the
input?
B
City
council
can
send
through,
we
can't
do
it,
but
I
make
those
recommendations.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
ray
okay,
seeing
no
more
hands
raised.
I
think
I
can
close
this
agenda
item.
There's
no
action
required
and
we
can
move
on
to
the
next
item,
which
is
consider
the
reality
of
current
and
future
mass
transit
in
silicon
valley,
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
equity,
fairness
for
families
of
all
income
levels.
B
This
is
something
I
prepared,
not
the
staff,
and
then
I
did
receive
email
from
the
mayor.
I
don't
know
if
he
actually
looked
at
the
agenda,
saying
that
the
planning
commission
does
need
to
look
at
the
transportation
issues
as
related
to
the
housing
element,
so
I
will
share
my
screen.
If
I
can,
let
me
see
here
one
second,
okay,
share
screen.
E
So
can
I
can,
I
ask
a
question
sure
yeah,
so
I
remember
I
saw
some
emails
from
one
of
the
public
on
this
topic,
so
I
want
to
ask
the
city
of
attorney
if
there
are
any
issues
in
chair
presenting.
L
Yeah,
the
the
commissioner's
handbook
authorizes
the
chair
to
bring
a
mother
for
discussion
and
he
in
consultation
with
the
with
the
staff
liaison,
and
so
this
was
decided
to
present
here
and
and
it
actually
does
fall
within
the
the
the
duties
of
the
planning
commission
set
forth
in
2.32.070.
L
B
E
B
Mooney
and
thank
you
city
attorney,
yeah,
the
only
thing
I
was
asked
to
re.
I
had
the
city
logo
on
all
the
sides.
I
was
asked
to
remove
that
and
I
did
and,
as
I
mentioned
before,
I
actually
got
a
email
from
the
mayor
yesterday
saying
that
the
planning
commission
actually
should
be
looking
at
the
issue
of
transportation.
So,
but
I
did
this
before,
I
even
knew
that
so
I
will.
I
will
start
I
can
y'all
can
see
my
slides
right.
B
Yes,
okay,
very
good.
Okay,
let's
see
how
I
can.
B
Okay,
so,
while
crafting
our
housing
element
and
selecting
sites,
we
need
to
consider
the
reality
of
current
and
future
mass
transit
in
silicon
valley,
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
equity
and
fairness
for
families
at
all
income
levels-
and
I
kind
of
got
this
from
one
of
the
affordable
housing
groups
from
southern
california,
because
they're
very
concerned
about
displacement
happening
in
the
core
cities,
as
people
were
displaced
and
higher
cost
housing
was
being
built
and
it
was
dispersing
the
lower
income
people
out
to
the
outer
regions
of
the
los
angeles,
the
los
angeles
area,
where
they
had
no
choice
but
to
drive
cars
to
get
to
work.
B
I
shouldn't
say
beyond
transit,
that
should
say
beyond
what
is
offered
by
vta,
and
this
came
from
this
came
from
the
spur
website
and
so
and
all
these
slides,
I
did
go
ahead
and
put
references,
so
people
could
look
up
to
see
where
the
stuff
I
wrote
came
from
that.
I
just
didn't
make
it
up.
B
You
know
from
my
head-
and
I
think
you
all
know-
I'm
a
big
bicycle
advocate
and
I
would
love
it
if
everyone
could
ride
bikes,
but
you
know
we
have
to
look
at
reality,
so
this
is
just
a
slide
showing
our
population
and
as
many
people
know,
our
population
has
been
falling
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
since
some
about
20
18
we've
been
losing
population,
and
this
is
our
demographics,
our
median
income,
our
median
age.
B
I
thought
our
median
age
was
going
to
be
higher
and
our
unemployment
rate
and
our
average
commute
time
is
28.08
minutes
and
this
source
there
is
bestplaces.net,
and
this
is
the
commute
modes
in
cupertino.
B
So
right
now,
mass
transit
accounts
for
four
percent
of
people
commuting
of
residents
how
they
commute
to
their
jobs.
This
is
not
how
people
from
outside
cupertino
commute
into
cupertino.
I
that
data
is
not
available,
and
this
is
the
commute
times
for
cupertino
for
most
people
it's
between
20
to
34
minutes.
B
These
are
again
residents
commuting
to
work.
Cupertino
residents
commuting
to
work
so
obviously
most
of
them
are
not
working
in
cupertino
with
those
times,
and
I
know
in
the
one
of
the
previous
meetings.
There
was
a
lot
a
lot
of
comments
saying
we
got
to
put
all
the
housing
along
stevens
creek
because
of
the
23
and
523
bus,
but
I
don't
know
if
anyone
really
considers
that
bus
as
high
quality
transit,
no
matter
what
the
state
is
saying,
constitute
high
quality
transit.
I
went
on
to
the
bta
website.
Looked
at
the
boardings.
B
E
B
Oh,
oh,
how
many?
How
many
well
yeah?
I
should
have
done
that.
I
don't
know
exactly
how
many,
but
I
mean
you
can
figure
that
out
with
15
minute
headway.
So
that's
four
per
hour,
it's
probably
and
then
with
the
523.
B
I
don't
know
exactly
how
I
would
guess
it's
about
50
to
60,
which
would
jive
with
the
average
passenger
load
on
vta,
which
is
around
nine
nine
people
per
bus.
Thank
you,
okay
and
then
we're
talking
about.
No,
this
surprised
me
well.
This
is
because
the
vta
passenger
load
is
so
low,
but
we're,
actually
you
actually
have
less.
B
You
actually
have
less
passenger
miles
per
gallon
on
the
bus
than
we
do
in
private
vehicles,
which
was
also
surprising,
and
I
have
the
source
down
there.
Reason.Org
and
yeah.
They
did
a
study
on
greenhouse
gas
reductions
and
mass
transit,
which
was
kind
of
surprising
now,
of
course,
if
you
could
get
the
number
of
people
per
bus
higher,
eventually,
I
guess,
if
you
about
doubled,
it
you'd
be
about
to
40
passenger
miles
per
gallon.
B
So
you
know
that
would
be
a
good
goal
to
get
more
people
on
the
bus,
but
you
know
that
so
far
hasn't
worked
for
vta
and
then
then
I
looked
at
electric
buses
from
two
different
sources.
So
so,
when
you
move
to
electric
buses
and
electric
cars,
then
you
kind
of
get
a
slight
advantage
to
the
electric
bus,
and
this
is
again
based
on
the
same
current
load-
passenger
load
of
9.22
people
per
bus.
B
So
I
think
vta
does
have
a
plan
to
buy
some
electric
buses,
but
it's
not
a
huge
advantage
and
also
the
tesla
model.
3
is
not
the
most
efficient
electric
car
out
there,
so
it's
probably
about
equal
and
then,
as
we
know,
vta's
financial
audit.
You
know
we
have
a
fair
recovery
about
9.1
and
that
was
in
2019
pre-pandemic.
B
We
don't
know,
really
know
what
it
is
for
since
the
pandemic
started.
Obviously
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
a
lot
lower
than
that,
and
then
this
I
got
from
a
former
city
council
member
of
sunnyvale
and
actually
for
some
people.
It
may
seem
counterintuitive,
but
it
actually
is
not
when
you
increase
the
housing
density.
B
B
Okay.
This
is
a
slide
showing
the
current
non-stop
vta
bus
service
from
cupertino
to
major
employers,
the
only
one
where
you
really
have
of
them-
and
I
got
this
these
employers
from
silicon
valley.
B
I
forget
the
name
of
the
new
silicon
valley
business
journal,
so
the
only
one
where
you
actually
could
get
on
a
bus
and
go
in
one
stop
is
to
adobe.
B
There
used
to
be
another
bus
in
cupertino
that
I
think
it
was
the
81
that
went
from
around
the
valco
area
down
to
santa
clara
and
the
train
station
vta
cut
that
bus
out
in
their
last
service
reduction
and
then
those
first
three
companies.
They
all
have
private
transportation
service,
so
those
employees
would
not
be
using
a
vta
bus,
even
even
if
it
existed
and
and
then
it
was
interesting.
B
B
Another
one
that
this
is
basically
touched
on
what
they
found
in
la
where
you
have
the
poor
populations
moving
further
out
as
they're
displaced
in
the
urban
core,
with
redevelopment.
B
And
this
one
was
interesting:
this
is
from
the
brookings
institute,
which
is
you
know,
quite
a
liberal
institution.
It's
not
like
hoover
institution
and
they're
they're,
saying
the
federal
government
should
be
offering
credits
to
help
low-income
workers
obtain
obtained
vehicles,
so
they
can
improve
their
economic
situation.
B
So
I
thought
that
was
very
interesting
from
brookings.
I
would
expected
that
they
might
have
said
well.
Everyone
should
take
the
bus
to
ride
a
bike,
but
that
is
not
what
they
concluded,
and
this
is
this
is
from
employ
also
from
brookings,
based
on
employers
and
welfare,
administrators
and
transportation.
Barriers
are
the
key
obstacle
to
success
on
the
job,
and
then
this
is
what
I
mentioned
earlier
regarding
site
selection,
because
there's
state
legislation
that
eliminates
minimum
parking
requirements.
B
This
could
actually
end
up
hurting
the
production
of
affordable
housing
near
transit,
simply
because
cities
would
choose
other
sites
that
don't
have
the
minimum
parking
requirements
eliminated
as
sites
that
they
might
up
zone
for
more
housing,
and
I
can't
really
go
into
this
here,
because
the
developer
asked
me
not
to,
but
this
definitely
could
affect
one
site
in
cupertino
that
that
it's
possible
that
they
would
be
willing
to
add
more
housing
to
their
site
and,
like
I
said
you
know,
we
might
be.
B
This
is
up
to
the
city
council,
of
course,
whether
they
want
to
rezone
parcels
for
greater
height,
but
if
it
would
result
in
a
lack
of
parking,
they
might
be
less
likely
to
be
willing
to
rezone
that
now,
as
was
pointed
out,
this
doesn't
affect
someone
that's
doing
a
density
bonus.
They
can
get
out
of
parking.
This
really
affects
a
site
that
zone
for
a
specific
height
and
the
property
owner
might
want
to
go
higher
than
even
what
the
density
bonus
would
allow.
B
Now,
what's
interesting
for
market
rate
units,
of
course
the
developer
would
include
adequate
parking
because
if
they
didn't,
they
could
not
rent
or
sell
the
units,
and
you
know,
as
we've
also
seen
in
other
cities
when
you
don't
provide
adequate
parking,
you're
exporting
the
parking
to
surrounding
neighborhoods,
because
the
residents
are
still
going
to
own
a
cart
and
there
was
a
slide
I
wanted
to
add.
But
I
didn't
because
I
had
already
submitted
this
presentation.
B
And
then
this
was
something
about
personal
mobility
and
co2,
and
this
came
from
mit
and
people
are
welcome
to
go.
Look
at
that
report-
and
this
is
this-
was
an
interesting
slide
that
I
put
together.
It
shows
vehicle
miles
traveled
in
the
u.s
by
year,
and
then
I
went
in
and
added
to
that
when
various
mass
transit
systems
throughout
the
country.
These
are
all
rail
mass
transit
when
they
came
online,
so
you
know,
maybe
it
would
have
been
worse
with
without
those
and
it
probably
would
have,
but
vehicle
miles.
B
Traveled
has
been
increasing,
despite
all
the
money
being
spent
on
adding
real
mass
transit
rail
mass
transit
throughout
the
country.
So
there's
bart
all
the
way
through
houston's
metro,
rail.
B
B
Include
vta
here
as
well:
yeah,
here's
vta
in
1986.,
so
I'm
almost
done.
Okay,
go.
E
E
B
Then
this
was
some.
This
was
a
report
I
found
regarding
the
pandemic
and
why
mass
transit
has
not
been
recovering
in
terms
of
ridership.
So
you
know,
as
we
all
know,
during
the
pandemic,
remote
work,
you
know,
became
very
common
and
it's
actually
continuing
at
least
several
days
a
week.
If
you
saw
the
recent
report
on
apple
deciding
not
to
require
three
days
a
week
and
the
other
issue,
it's
not.
I
don't
think
it's
an
issue
really
for
vta
as
much
but
for
bart.
B
The
impact
of
crime
is
a
big
issue
on
on
the
usage
of
bart
there's
been
so
so
much
such
a
big
increase
of
crime
on
the
bart
system,
and
this
is
related
to
covid
and
the
drop-off
in
public
transit.
So
it's
about
60
and
really
only
air
travel
has
begun
to
return
to
pre-pandemic
level,
and
even
cars
are
actually
lower.
B
And
then
this
was
yeah.
H
B
H
B
B
B
B
I
B
I
But
the
unit
count
is
not
typically,
its
bedroom
count
not
unit
count,
and
I
don't
you
know,
I
don't
know
that
you
have
any
way
of
knowing
that
other
than
averaging
some
something.
So
just
I
would
caution
that
when
you
see
well,
however,
many
parking
spots
related
to
how
many
units
it
really
depends
on
how
many
bedrooms
are
in
the
unit.
B
Yes,
that
you
know
that's
a
valid
point,
I
think
we
would
have
to
look
in.
You
know
I
think,
a
lot
of
one-bedroom
apartments.
You
probably
do
have
two
working
people
with
two
cars
and
for
multiple
bedrooms
with
a
family
or
probably
nearly
all
of
them,
but
yeah.
That's
something
perhaps
that
the
consultant
can
include
if,
if
and
when
they
update
that
spreadsheet,
did
you
want
to
continue.
G
I
I
B
Multi-Generational:
okay,
yeah;
okay.
Next
we
have
shinpei
liu
welcome
shintay.
M
A
Look
into
other
solution
perspectives
and
only
look
into
a
car
centric
solution.
It
does
not
take
encounter
other
alternative
to
cars
like
walking
public
transportation
in
the
united
states
in
general,
the
few
exceptions
are
very
poor,
inconvenient
and
inefficient
due
to
card
dependent
urban
planning
and
the
lack
of
concern
we
have
for
it
in
general.
So
saying
is
like
here
for
a
reason
why
cars
are
key
to
economic
and
social
mobility
is
because
it's
like
the
only
reliable
options
americans
have
today.
A
I
agree
that
owning
a
car
would
be
the
best
option
in
today's
world,
but
I
believe
that
doesn't
mean
other
options
are
not
viable.
I
believe,
like
other
options,
are
not
good,
because
it
simply
does
not
have
the
infrastructure
necessary
from
a
local
to
national
level
to
make
a
great
option
sustainable
option
for
people
it
could
be
so
what
I
believe
solutions
to,
probably
while
having
benefit
adding
sustainability,
make
city
more
walkable,
bikeable,
have
extremely
convenient
public
transportation
for
residents
to
use
and
essentially
decrease
card
dependency.
Urban
sprawl.
A
B
Okay,
thank
you,
shin
pay,
and
that
was
well
stated,
and
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
you
know
when
I
was
on
city
council
and
mayor.
We
spent
a
lot
of
money,
improving
our
bicycle
infrastructure,
adding
protected
bike
lanes
which
did
upset
some
residents
that
lost
their
on-street
parking.
B
We
also
added
the
via
shuttle
to
have
an
alternative
and
I
would
be
thrilled
if
silicon
valley
could
build
a
sustainable,
effective
mass
transit
system.
B
I
disappointed
that
bta
never
finished
the
light
rail
system
up
the
median
of
85
like
they
were
supposed
to
when
the
system
was
planned,
but
I
do
appreciate
that
and
I
I
would
love
it
if
we
could
become
less
car,
dependent
and
cupertino
and
and
the
united
states.
So
thank
you
for
your
comments
and
now
roy
go
ahead.
N
N
N
N
N
So
I'm
a
little
bit
in
of
where
do
we
stand?
The
system
is
broke,
things
aren't
getting
done
and
we
are
not
being.
We
are
not
being
informed.
We
we
signed
up
early
when
the
first
came
out
and
we,
but
there's
no
information
getting
back
to
us
other
than
with
your
meetings
and
your
meetings
are
very
informative,
but
a
lot
left
to
be
desired
as
far
as
an
overall
solution
to
the
problems.
N
B
B
Okay,
all
right,
I'm
bringing
it
back
to
the
panelists
again,
please
keep
it
on
topic
for
this
agenda
item.
I
will
call
on
mooney
welcome
mooney.
E
So
so
there
is
a
one
attendee
raised
that
hand:
do
you
want
to
go
to
them?
Come
back
to
us.
B
Oh
okay,
I
didn't
see
that
okay,
janet
van
soren,
welcome.
O
O
I
just
wanted
to
mention
an
out-of-the-box
idea
that
that
I've
not
heard
anybody
talk
about
with
regard
to
transportation.
I
grew
up
in
a
suburb
where
most
of
the
families
only
had
one
car
and
most
of
the
women
were
not
working.
They
were
home
with
their
children
and
the
way
we
managed
was
that
there
were
a
number
of
companies
who
had
a
vehicle
that
came
around
once
a
week
and
delivered
milk.
O
Well,
there
were
two
different
milk
men
and
you
could
get
milk
every
day
if
you
signed
up
with
both
companies
for
on
alternate
days,
if
you
had
one
company,
there
was
a
bakery
truck
that
came
around.
There
was
a
bus
with
fruits
and
vegetables
and
homemade
sausage.
There
was
the
fish
truck
that
came
on
fridays,
etc.
O
So
my
point
is
that
that's
something
to
think
about
because
if,
if
you
didn't
have
to
run
out
to
get
the
necessities
that
you
needed
in
order
to
run
your
family
home
and
if
more
and
more
people
are
working
from
home,
then
you
put
a
cart
up
on
the
window
and
then
the
truck
knows
whether
or
not
to
stop
at
your
house,
and
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
ways
that
could
be
automated
with
all
the
technology
that
we
have
today.
So
it's
just
something
to
think
about
it's
totally
outside
the
box.
O
The
other
comment
I
have
is
that
there
are
a
number
of
people
who
cannot
drive
for
one
reason
or
another
and
with
regard
to
the
house,
housing
planning
and
whatnot,
it's
important
to
try
to
help
those
people
be
housed
near
where
there
is
transportation
that
could
be
seniors,
who've
lost
their
ability
to
drive
or
could
be
people
with
developmental
disabilities
who
never
had
the
skills
with
which
to
be
able
to
drive,
and
so
anyway,
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
those
two
points.
Thanks
a
bunch
guys.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
jana,
and
I
would
point
out
that,
for
the
upcoming
six
cycle
arena
that
the
vast
majority
of
our
units
are
in
areas
with
mass
transit,
we
have
the
ones
that
the
rise
previously
known
as
valco.
We
have
westport,
we
have
marina
and
you
know
all
of
those
have
transit.
I
believe
some
of
the
large
sites
that
are
on
the
list
that
are
not
along
stevens
creek
also
have
some
sort
of
transit
as
well.
So
we're
really.
B
You
know
when
I,
when
I
mentioned
about
needing
a
car,
you
know
that
that's
almost
not
even
a
huge
number
of
sites
that
that
that
would
be
needed
and
of
course
we
do
have
the
video
shuttle
that
anyone
can
use.
That's
very
inexpensive,
and
I
I
do
I
do
remember
growing
up.
I
guess
I'm
showing
my
age.
We
also
had
two
different
milk
companies
delivering.
B
We
even
had
a
potato
chip
company
delivering-
and
I
guess
now
we
kind
of
have
instacart
and
other
delivery
services
as
well,
but
it
would
be
nice,
you
know
to
need
less
car
trips,
especially
with
the
price
of
gasoline
these
days.
Even
the
delivery
fees
seem
reasonable,
so
yeah
I'll
bring
it
back
to
panelists.
Does
anyone
else
have
anything
to
say
before
we
move
on
okay,
I
see
two
hands
raised.
B
First
ray
go
ahead.
H
Yeah,
I
know
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
put
the
presentation
together.
You
know,
while
we
all
want
to
look
at
environmentally
friendly
options
that
are
there,
the
reality
is.
We
are
a
car
based
structure
here
and
given
the
commutes
and
where
jobs
are.
I
think
you
know
it's
nice
to
wish
that
you
know
your
first
job
and
maybe
your
third
job
will
be
next
to
your
home.
The
reality
is
like
we
move
around
to
different
jobs
and
different
opportunities,
and
I
think
the
data
here
is
very
insightful.
H
B
B
H
So
but
my
point,
my
point
being
here,
is
that
you
know
I
mean
the
way
that
these
are
being
structured
by
developers.
Maybe
a
way
to
I
mean
you
know
it's,
it's
two
dollars
a
ride
for
anyone
to
travel
you
know
around,
which
is
interesting
between
the
ends
of
boulevard,
bs
shuttle
and
low
income.
H
Incentive
rates
are
two
bucks
they're
heavily
subsidized
at
this
moment,
but
are
they
designed
for
developers
to
I
mean
create
different
levels
of
you
know,
density
bonus
based
on
that
an
additional,
what's
going
on
with
the
what's
happening,
with
the
with
the
lack
of
transit
or
kind
of
transit
that
we
have
here.
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
like
is
that
the
structure
that's
in
place,
so
I
mean
maybe
maybe
what
I
really
need
is
apple's
transit
data
and
maybe
the
google,
the
genentex
shuttles
like.
H
We
probably
need
something
like
this,
so
that
we
actually
have
better
data
to
help
you
with
with
what
you're
trying
to
understand
so.
B
Well,
I
don't
know
if
you
recall
from
a
couple
years
ago,
vta
wanted
that
data
from
apple
facebook
and
google.
That
is
not
data,
that
anyone
is
willing
to
give
up.
It's
proprietary
and.
H
B
B
So
I
don't
think
they
looked
at
like
like
a
per-ride
subsidy,
but
they
looked
at
hey.
Could
uber
operate
something
like
this,
and
the
answer
was
no
for
several
reasons
for
security
and
for
and
uber
wasn't
willing
to
do
it.
I
mean,
as
you
know,
uber
loses
money
on
every
ride
they
provide
now,
so
they
probably
were
not
willing
to
lose
money
on
a
on
a
grand
scale.
I
don't
know
you
know
when
if
ever
uber
and
lyft
will
become
profitable,
but
that's
all
I
know
about
that.
B
E
Okay,
thanks
for
the
presentation,
it's
really
informative.
So
and
especially,
you
know
the
links
that
we
we
can
go
and
look
at.
You
know
more
details,
so
I
really
appreciate
you
know
you
take
time
to
put
together
this
presentation.
That's
very
useful,
a
lot
of
good
stuff
and
I
knew
some
other
stuff
already.
You
know
based
on
my
own
experience,
but
also
you
know,
there's
some
new
information
there.
I
just
want
to
share.
You
know
some
two
three
points
right,
so
so,
just
along
the
lines
that
you
mentioned
right
so
I
mean
yeah.
E
You
know
borrowing
family
same
number
of
miles.
You
know
we
drive
every
year
and
we
made
a
switch.
You
know
to
electric
car
right,
so
we
drive.
You
know
three.
Fourth
on
electric
and
you
know
one
fourth
of
the
miles
on
gasoline.
So
it's
like
you
know,
being
environment
friendly.
We
also
have
you
know
solar,
so
100,
you
know
it's.
You
know
our
red,
car
and
home
everything
is,
you
know
from
solar.
So
that's
all
good
news.
I
see
you
know
a
lot
of
people.
E
You
know
moving
the
direction
so
hopefully
right,
but
I
don't
see
myself
in
my
family.
You
know
getting
away
from
car.
Unless
you
know
the
public
transit
improves
right.
I
don't
see,
as
you
know,
reducing
the
number
of
miles
driven
right.
So
I
don't
think
you
know
anybody
at
the
state
level
at
federal
level
is
looking
at
solving
that
problem.
I
know
it's
beyond
the
scope
of
you
know
our
city
and
our
team
to
fix
that
issue.
E
Ideally,
what
I
would
like
to
see
is,
you
know
a
loop
around
the
bay,
like
you
know,
take
the
bart
coming
on
the
east
bay
and
you
know
capturing
on
the
west
bay,
create
a
loop
and
then
put
a
tentacles
around.
You
know
from
that
loop
outward.
You
know
to
north
south
and
you
know
west
and
in
all
directions.
E
Then
the
housing
becomes
affordable
right,
like
you
know,
people
in
from
anywhere
all
the
way
up
from
sacramento.
If
they
can
be
reached.
You
know
job
centers
in
30
minutes
to
45
minutes
on
a
fast
transit.
You
know
we
solve
the
housing
affordability
problem
right,
but
I
don't
think
you
know
anybody
is
looking
at
that.
So
unless
you
know
we
have,
that
kind
of
you
know
fast
food
transit.
I
don't
see
you
know
me
personally,
you
know
getting
rid
of
cars.
I
don't
see
us,
you
know
reducing
the
number
of
miles
per
month.
E
I
would
like
to
you
know,
buy
to
my
world,
but
unfortunately
you
know
the
road
that
I've
looked
at.
It's
pretty
scary,
very
dangerous
right,
so
the
the
biking
infrastructure
is
not
there
for
me
to
bike.
So
I
bike
on
weekends.
You
know
I
most
bike,
you
know
100
miles,
you
know
every
week,
but
I
don't
bike
to
work
and
the
reason
I
don't
bike
to
work.
Is
it's
not
safe
right?
E
So
that's
the
reality
of
you
know
what
we
have
so
unless
you
know
the
transit
situation,
the
mass
transit
situation
gets
addressed
at
the
bay
area
level
right
at
a
state
and
federal
level.
I
don't
see
the
equation
changing.
You
know
the
communities
being.
You
know
car
centric,
you
know
even
the
all
the
any
income
level
they're
going
to
be
different
on
cost,
but
just
you
know
my
day.
Thank
you.
B
Yeah,
thank
you,
commissioner
manipula.
I
think
there's
been
a
little
bit
of
effort.
We
have
the
ace
train
that
goes
out
up
to
stockton
and
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
you
know:
affordable
housing
in
tracy
and
lathrop
and
all-
and
I
mean
one
thing-
that's
very
hard
to
get
away
with,
and
we
we
had
a
building
industry
executive
on
a
call
with
cali.
A
few
a
couple
of
months
ago
is
what
kind
of
housing
people
want
and
they
want
single
family
homes
or
town
homes.
B
B
You
know,
I
don't
see
how
we
change
that
and
I
think
commissioner
wong
had
a
good
point.
You
know
when
we
moved
to
cupertino.
My
wife
worked
about
three
quarters
of
a
mile
away
from
our
house
and
then
her
company
moved
to
santa
clara
and
then
they
moved
further
away
in
santa
clara
and
then
they
moved
even
further
away.
So
she's
been
in
four
different
buildings,
and
now
you
know
it's
nine
miles
away
before
it
was
one
mile
and
obviously
you're
not
going
to
move
every
time.
Your
job
moves
just
to
be
close
to
it.
B
You
know,
plus
you
have
multiple
workers,
so
this
idea
that
you
can
get
people
to
live
right
next
to
their
job
is
just
you
know
it's
a
nice
idea,
but
it
really.
You
know
when
people
work
for
one
company,
their
whole
life
and
the
company
never
move.
Maybe
that
was
practical,
but
but
now
it
really
is.
E
B
Well,
it's
not
even
really
changing
jobs.
It's
you
know.
I
you
know
one
of
my
friends
who
works
for
apple.
They
were
in
cupertino,
then
they
were
in
sunnyvale
they're
in
san
jose
you're
working
with
the
same
company.
You
can
be
working.
You
know
in
four
different
places
during
during
your
career
there,
so
yeah.
We
have
to
find
a
way
for
personal
mobility,
whether
you
know
whether
it's
electric
vehicles,
electric
bicycles
or
some
way
to
move
people
around.
That's
practical,
and
so
thank
you.
Sanjeev
go
ahead.
D
A
comment
regarding
the
this
housing
element,
current
density
to
new
density.
So
I
I
get
your
point.
Your
presentation
was
good
a
lot
of
very
car
centric,
but
you
know
we
have
to
align
this
number
of
vehicles
against
the
density
increase.
So
we
talked
about
in
the
last
meeting
probably
that
in
some
con
some
sites,
they
are
increasing
the
density
from
30
to
85
or
something
and
obviously
the
number
of
cars
are
not
gonna
remain
constant
at
25
or
whatever
they
have
right
now.
D
So
somebody
in
that,
I
think
from
the
consultant
said
we
will
be
building
multi-storied
car
parkings
in
those
developments
where
we
are
increasing
the
density
many
folds
out
there.
So
there
is
something
probably
to
take
away
from
that
and
extend
that
idea
a
little
bit.
I
did
see
that
in
singapore
I
lived
in
singapore
for
three
years
and
they
have
the
concept
of
a
shared
pocket
for
multiple
apartments,
so
they
build
a
multi-storage
car
parking
and
that
is
shared
by
more
than.
D
More
than
one
different
complexes
and
people,
it
is
up
to
the
whether
people
pay
for
it
or
it
is
paid
by
by
the
residents
or
by
the
complex
it's
it's
it's
a
very
efficient
way
of
saving
space,
rather
than
clogging
the
roads
and
taking
away
the
bike
space
next
to
the
curb
parking
into
a
in
a
neighborhood
which
is
shared
by
let's
say,
20
or
25
houses.
Something
like
that
that
that
might
might
be
relevant
for
the
context
where
we
are
increasing
this
density.
D
Many
folks
in
that
congested
list.
G
D
B
Yeah,
you
know
that's
a
very
good
point,
especially
relating
to
you
know
the
use
of
the
public
streets
and
we've
seen
this
in
san
francisco.
You
know
they're
saying:
okay,
developer,
you
don't
need
to
provide
any
parking
on
your
future
development.
Well,
that
doesn't
mean
that
people
aren't
going
to
own
cars.
It
just
means
they're
going
to
park
them
in
the
street
and
they
have
permit
parking
through
most
of
the
city.
B
B
It's
not
really
a
city's
interest
to
convert
their
streets
into
parking
lots
for
everyone,
and
that
was
my
disappointment
with
some
of
the
things
that's
happened
in
san
francisco,
where
they're
saying
oh,
you
don't
need
to
do
parking
anymore,
and
you
know
with
the
false
belief.
Well,
then,
no
one
will
own
a
car
which
it
just
it
just
doesn't
work
that
way,
and
I
have
a
lot
of
relatives
in
san
francisco.
B
My
wife
grew
up
there
and
it's
it's
just
crazy,
some
of
the
neighborhoods,
especially
now
that
they
have
adus
or
they
call
them
in-law
units
in
the
houses
that
are
very
close
together.
So
there's
very
little
street
parking
and
it's
extremely
competitive
to
get
a
parking
space.
People
put
their
garbage
cans
out
in
the
street,
trying
to
reserve
a
space
and
other
people
move
them.
It's
just
not
a
good
idea
to
not
include
sufficient
parking.
G
B
Now,
oh
I'm
looking
at
them
now
my
agenda
changed
to
a
city
council
agenda.
That's
not
what
I
wanted.
Let's
see
because
someone
that
has
the
agenda
up,
tell
me
what
the
next
item
is
until
I
can
get
it
back
up
here.
B
B
Okay,
any
of
the
commissioners
have
they
attended
any
meetings
during
the
past
two
weeks.
H
H
No
nothing
yet
on
housing,
but
on
leed
certification
and
energy.
Now,
looking
at
scope,
2
scope,
3
emissions,
as
we
look
at
trying
to
get
to
more
energy
efficient
buildings,
buildings
represent
70
percent
of
the
world's
global
emissions
on
esg,
and
people
are
looking
at
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
get
more
efficient
buildings.
So
it's
learning.
G
B
E
So
ray,
I
know
there
is
a
lot
of
talk
about
the
esc.
You
know
topic
right,
looks
like
a
lot
of
funds.
You
know
moving
away
from.
It
are
not
listening
to
loosening
and
there's
some
noise
going
around.
So
is
anybody
talking
about
that
at
all
as
a
topic
at
davos,.
H
Yeah
out
here
in
davos,
there's
a
lot
of
folks
that
are
investing
in
impact
funds
and
looking
at
different
alternatives.
I
think
cities
could
take
advantage
that
if
they
want
to
partner
to
get
into
some
of
these
early
adoption
kind
of
projects
and
pocs,
I
think
there's
lots
of
opportunities
here.
To
do
that,
you
know
we
can
see
some
of
that.
You
also
see
some
of
the
autonomous
vehicle
companies
that
are
also
looking
at
ways
to
actually
provide
transit,
improve
equity
and
access.
H
I
think
all
those
things
are
available
so
so
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
opportunities
like
that.
There
are
other
things
right
in
terms
of
emissions
and
energy
efficiency
that
are
being
looked
at
as
well,
and
anything
from
energy
storage
to
power
production.
Those
are
other
topics
that
are
out
here
so
yeah.
B
Okay,
so
I
attended
the
cali
meeting
this
california
alliance
of
local
electives
on
sunday
and
housing
elements
are,
of
course,
a
big
big
source
of
discussion.
It
was
revealed
that
san
francisco
realized
they
would
be
1.2
billion
dollars
short
of
what
they
needed
for
their
affordable
housing
arena
and
it
actually
wasn't.
It
was
12.2
billion
the
first
year
of
the
eight
year
cycle,
not
1.2
billion
for
the
whole
cycle,
so
it
was
kind
of
something
hey
we've
been
saying
this
all
along.
B
You
know
the
affordable
housing
needs
to
be
funded
by
someone,
you
know,
presumably
by
the
state,
because,
obviously
cities,
you
know
san
francisco,
big
city
or
small
city
cupertino.
Obviously
we
don't
have
the
money
to
fund
that
housing,
construction
of
affordable
housing
of
you
know
600
to
800
000
per
unit.
So
it
was
kind
of
good
to
see
san
francisco
finally
admit
the
issue.
B
B
E
B
B
G
F
I'd
have
to
discuss
it
with
luke
and
emc.
I
know
that
there
is
another
strategic
advisory
committee
meeting
coming
up
and
I
know
that
they
have
another
affha
meeting
that
they
need
to
prepare,
for.
We
are
hoping
that
it
will
come
back
on
june
14th,
but
with
that
said,
you
know
it.
It
all
depends
on
the
items
that
come
out
of.
You
know
other
meetings
related
to
this
project,
because
there
are
finite
resources
with
the
project.
F
B
Oh,
so
let
me
ask
the
city
attorney
for
a
future
agenda
item.
Based
on
what
we
heard
from
the
public
and
from
some
commissioners.
Can
we
put
an
item
on
the
agenda
to
discuss
the
timeline
and
the
performance
of
of
our
consultant
in
regards
to
the
housing
element,
since
we.
L
So
chair,
you
had
the
discretion
to
add
something
to
an
agenda
and
then
in
consultation
with
the
planning
manager
who
can
set
when
that
will
occur,
on
which
agenda.
B
L
Here
I
just
I
just
want
to
clarify
I'm
sorry,
I
apologize,
but
you
know
it's
certainly
within
your
discretion
to
is
elect
to
add
an
item
to
a
agenda
in
the
future
and
when
that
is
actually
scheduled,
it's
a
function
of
a
discussion
between
you
and
liaison
to
the
commissioner,
which
is
the
planning
manager.
H
H
To
the
senior
assistant
city
attorney.
L
H
I
believe
that
is
the
case,
but,
however
city
council
and
a
council
member,
I
know
some
of
council
members
are
here,
can
also
request
and
have
that
meeting
with
the
city
manager
to
make
sure
that
is
on
the
agenda.
Is
that
correct
as
well.
H
Okay,
I
would
encourage
that
to
happen,
because
the
performance
of
this
is
jeopardizing
our
ability
to
be
compliant
with
hcd
and
if
the
idea
here
is
to
fail
us
fail
us
and
have
hcd
take
over
I'm
very
concerned.
So
it
is
a
matter
of
diligence
and-
and
I
really
think
it's
important-
that
we
actually
do
our
due
diligence
on
our
end.
So
I
would
encourage
any
city
council
person
here
to
make
this
a
performance
issue
the
item
and
ask
for
that
to
be
put
on
our
agenda.
So.
B
B
Else,
besides
that
have
any
items
they
would
like
to
have
me
put
on
a
future
agenda.
H
Do
you
have
a
question
which
is
related
to
when
are
we
going
back
to
in
person?
Do
we
have
a
date
on
that.
B
Yeah,
I
don't
know
mr
city
attorney,
do
we
do
we
know?
I
know
it's
because
of
the
surge
that
this
has
kind
of
been
delayed.
Now
yeah.
L
I'm
not
aware
of
any
discussions
about
going
back
to
in
person.
Having
said
that,
I
believe
that
the
city
council
has
authorized
continuing
remote
through
some
point
in
june
and
as
required,
they
they
need
to.
They
can
extend
it
on
a
30-day
basis.