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Coverage of the November 23, 2021 Cupertino Planning Commission Teleconference Meeting.
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A
C
Good
evening,
folks
welcome
to
the
city
of
cupertino
planning
commission
meeting
for
november
21st
2021
welcome
here.
As
you
know,
in
accordance
with
government
code,
this
is
a
teleconference
meeting
without
a
physical
location
to
help
stop
the
spread
of
kovid.
And
of
course,
if
you
wish
to
comment
on
agenda,
you
can
do
it
by
email
before
5
pm
on
a
tuesday
before
the
meeting.
And
of
course
you
can
email
comments
during
the
time
for
public
comment
during
the
meeting.
C
D
E
C
And
I
believe
commercial
kapil
is
here,
I
see
a
nod
for
those
that
are
falling
and
are
visually
impaired.
So
here
we
go.
Thank
you
very
cool,
all
right,
well,
first,
item
on
our
agenda
and
before
we
begin
we
will
switch
items
number
two
with
number
three
for
those
who
are
following
along,
but
our
first
item
agenda
is,
of
course,
our
approval
of
minutes.
So
let's
take
the
time,
read
the
october
26th
planning
commission
minutes
and
we'll
spend
a
few
minutes.
F
C
C
C
C
C
H
C
While
we're
waiting
for
that,
I
believe
we
don't
have
any
other
items
in
terms
of
postponements,
but
do
we
have
any
oral
communications
that
we
can
kind
of
start
that
process
as
well?
So,
let's
start
with
that,
so
this
is
the
portion
of
the
meeting
that's
reserved
for
persons
wishing
to
address
the
commission
on
any
matter
within
the
jurisdiction
of
the
commission
and
not
on
the
agenda.
So
those
two
things
are
important.
Speakers
are
limited
to
three
minutes.
C
We
will
do
a
countdown
of
course,
and
of
course,
in
most
cases,
state
law
will
prohibit
the
commission
from
making
any
decisions
with
respect
to
matters
not
on
the
agenda,
though
we
might
sometimes
comment
as
necessary.
So
with
that
I've
got
a
couple
names
up
here:
people
with
their
hands
raised.
We'll
do
that
and
let's
get
mr
commissioner
kapil
on
board
along
the
way.
If
you
need
anything,
commission
appeal,
please
use
the
chat
function
and
we'll
make
sure
we
capture
what
you
want
to
stay.
C
I
Hello:
everyone,
my
name
is
kylie
and
I'm
the
public
policy
coordinator
at
west
valley,
community
services.
I
want
to
make
some
comments
this
evening
in
response
to
the
statements
made
about
homelessness
at
previous
planning.
Commission
meetings.
Homelessness
is
a
very
real
issue
and
cupertino
is
no
exception.
I
A
quarter
of
our
clients
live
in
cupertino
and
with
the
city's
high
housing
rates
and
lack
of
affordable
housing.
This
is
really
no
surprise.
All
of
california
is
dealing
with
more
in-house
individuals
than
ever.
According
to
the
2020
annual
homeless
assessment
report,
41
of
every
10
000
people
in
california
were
homeless.
I
I
Homelessness
not
only
impacts
the
individuals
and
families
who
experience
it,
but
it
has
a
real
and
a
measured
impact
on
everyone.
In
the
community,
a
2015
study
titled
home,
not
found
the
cost
of
homelessness
in
silicon
valley,
found
that
our
regions
spend
520
million
dollars
annually
for
public
safety,
health
care,
criminal
justice
and
other
public
services
attributed
to
homelessness.
I
Now
imagine
if
we
could
have
spent
that
money
on
housing
those
folks
instead
helping
them,
build
a
pathway
to
launch
long-term
stability,
self-sufficiency
and
self-determination
at
wvcs,
we
serve
more
than
120
unhoused
households,
almost
all
of
whom
live
at
least
part-time
in
cupertino
providing
services
such
as
low-income
housing
food
via
our
wvcs
market.
In
our
parking
market,
which.
J
I
Mobile
food
party,
financial,
coaching,
emergency
rental
and
deposit
assistance,
transportation,
support
and,
more
additionally,
through
our
haven
to
home
program,
we've
placed
20,
chronically
homelessness,
homeless,
households
in
housing
and
through
case
management,
we're
supporting
them
to
maintain
their
housing.
There
are
several
new
initiatives
happening
in
and
around
our
communities
to
end
homelessness,
such
as
safe
park
programs
and
job
training.
Furthermore,
zoning
is
beginning
to
change
to
include
more
household
types,
and
the
housing
element
will
provide
an
opportunity
to
create
a
pathway
to
ending
homelessness
in
our
community.
I
However,
these
initiatives
and
recommendations
are
just
to
start.
We
need
to
be
prepared
to
do
much
more
if
we
truly
believe
in
building
a
community
where
every
person
has
food
on
the
table
and
roof
over
their
head.
Our
vision
at
west
valley,
community
services,
that's
why
we
invite
you
to
join
us
in
working
toward
ending
homelessness.
I
C
If
you're
still
here
and
listening,
you
know
we
we'd
love
to
know
who's
got
documented
lists
of
cupertinos
are
addressed
among
the
homeless
and
what
we
can
do
to
help
so
happy
to
connect
with
you
feel
free
to
send
me
an
email
at
rwng,
cupertino.org,
we'd,
love
to
know
the
actual
registrations
of
folks
who
are
in
cupertino
and
what
we
can
do
to
help.
So
thank
you
for
being
here.
B
As
people
remember,
in
december
of
last
year,
sb9
and
sb10
were
introduced,
I
believe
by
senator
weiner
and
some
other
folks
and
look
where
we
are
now.
The
governor
has
signed
them
we're
going
into
an
uncertain,
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
a
complete
disaster
in
january
because
of
nine
and
ten
they
have
pushed
unrest
in
the
state.
I
have
grave
doubts
about
where
the
governance
of
this
state
is
going.
B
People
who
have
backed
nine
and
ten
have
taken
certain
liberties
with
not
allowing
the
public
to
make
comments
about
nine
and
ten.
I
am
extremely
wary
of
the
intentions
of
the
groups
that
are
backing
nine
and
ten
and
other
housing
bills.
These
are.
These
are
not
groups
that
are
trying
to
provide
housing
for
homeless
people
these.
These
are
many
ventures
and
the
people
that
are
supporting
nine
and
ten.
Some
of
them
have
full-time
jobs
at
these
charities
paid
for
by
the
backing
money
to
push
nine
and
ten.
B
I
have
a
lot
of
great
concerns
about
them.
No
one
has
asked
the
public
about
them
and
we're
the
ones
that
are
being
completely
affected
by
it,
and
I
really
hope
that
we're
not
going
to
see
more
of
this
next
year
because,
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
there's
a
lot
of
politicians
in
this
state
that
are
taking
liberties
with
the
public's
goodwill
and
what
we
will
believe
in
and
tolerate
in
this.
But
I
have
I
have
lost
complete
faith
in
sacramento
and
the
politicians.
B
I
have
grave
concerns
about
where
the
governor
is
going
as
he
governs
this
state,
so
keep
your
eyes
out.
I'm
sure
we're
going
to
have
lots
of
interesting
and
very,
very
bizarre
housing
bills.
I
think
there's
a
complete
attempt
to
take
over
the
state
as
some
sort
of
a
socialist
communist
government.
That's
my
take.
Thank
you.
C
K
K
K
K
That
is,
you
know
everyday
necessity,
retail
for
the
residents
of
cupertino,
because
if
you
have
retail
in
your
own
city,
you're
more
apt
to
get
there
to
the
grocery
to
pharmacies,
to
you
know,
dentists,
small
medical
offices,
you're
more
likely
to
get
there
by
foot
or
by
bike
and
leave
a
smaller
pre
footprint.
If
you
do
drive,
if
it's
within
your
own
city
and
building
rest
building,
developments
that
are
primarily
restaurants
doesn't
do
the
trick.
C
Thank
you
lisa.
I
don't
know
what
we
can
do
to
ask
staff
what
the
scenario
is
for
that.
Maybe
we
can
get
our
response
at
some
point.
It's
not
on
the
agenda.
So
that's
the
point.
We
can
actually
figure
where
that's
going.
It's
not
only
agenda,
so
we
can't
really
take
action
on
that,
but
hopefully
we
can
get
some
clarification
as
to
what
the
limits
are
at
main
street
and
what
applications
are
in
place.
It'd
be
nice
to
know
that
in
advance,
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
C
C
Oh
yes,
you're
in
now.
Congratulations
all
right,
we're
now
one
team.
So
thank
you
for
being
there.
Okay,
with
that
we're
gonna
switch
the
order
of
the
public
hearings,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
let's
do
number
three
first
and
that
is
consider
a
development
proposal
to
demolish
an
existing
commercial
building
and
residential
unit,
remove
and
replace
four
protected
trees
and
construct
a
mixed-use
development
consistent
of
18
units,
which
is
five
apartments,
five
single-family
homes
and
eight
town
homes
and
a
4
500
square
feet
of
commercial
space.
So
you
can
follow
us.
The
applications
are
here.
C
The
recommend
action
by
the
staff
is
that
the
planning
commission
adopt
the
draft
resolutions
recommending
that
the
city
council
won,
adopt
the
mitigating
negative
declaration.
Two
approve
the
zoning
map.
Amendment
three
approve
the
development
permit.
Four
approve
the
tentative
map;
five
approve
the
architectural
and
site
approval,
asa
and
approve
the
use
permit
and,
of
course,
approve
the
tree
removal
permit.
That
is
there
with
that:
let's
turn
it
over
to
our
staff
pew.
All
yours.
D
M
Okay,
so
the
project
is
at
1065,
south
foothill
boulevard.
This
is
the
project
location,
so
it's
right
where
south
foothill
and
siemens
canyon
meet
adjacent
to
mclaughlin
andrews,
so
the
property
is
bounded
by
single-family
residents
to
to
the
north,
west
and
south
across
to
the
east.
You
have
a
series
of
duplexes
and
townhomes
on
the
other
side
of
the
road.
As
mentioned,
the
project
involves
the
demolition
of
the
existing
structures
on
the
site
and
the
construction
of
18
residential
units
and
4
500
square
feet
of
current
commercial
space.
M
The
project
will
require
the
approval
of
the
zone,
change
development,
permit
architectural
site
approval,
tenant
map
entry
rule
permit,
so
the
property
is
as
a
land
use
designation
of
commercial
residential.
As
I
mentioned,
there
will
be
a
zone
designation
chain.
There's
no
map
change
to
have
it
be
planned.
Development
with
general
commercial
residential,
the
net
law
area
is
1.37
acres
and
the
gross
flyer
is
1.546.
M
So
this
is
just
a
the
project
site.
Building
one
is
the
mixed
use,
building
where
the
commercial
component
is
located
below,
that
is
the
underground
parking
and
above
that,
are
the
apartments,
the
rest
of
the
property.
It
has
the
different
single
family
unit,
types
duplexes
and
duplexes
triplexes
and
detached
townhomes.
M
Here
is
is
30
feet
and
all
the
buildings
have
been
designed
to
be
below
that
they
vary
in
different
variants,
yeah
or
different
building
types,
but
generally
they
are.
They
are
all
below
the
30
foot
height
limit
in
terms
of
density
that
so
the
project
was
a
density
of
12.98
gallon
units,
the
acre,
so
that's
less
than
the
general
plan
density
setbacks,
they're,
unique
to
the
site.
It's
it
varies
quite
a
bit.
It's
detailed
in
in
the
staff
report
the
different
setbacks,
but
they
range
from
zero
at
that
front.
M
Building
to
about
15
on
the
sides,
some
of
the
buildings,
but
again
they
vary
in
regards
to
the
open
space.
So
the
project
we
work
with
the
applicant
to
kind
of
base
it
off
the
heart
of
the
city
specific
plan,
so
the
private
open
space
has
a
minimum
of
60
feet.
That's
60
square
feet
where
they
started,
but
that
varies.
So
the
apartments
are
a
little
bit
around
60
a
little
bit
more
and
then
the
other
kind
of
townhome
units
have
up
to
591
square
feet.
M
There
is
a
a
common
residential
open
space
as
well
on
the
project
measuring
about
two
thousand
nine
hundred
ninety
five
total
square
feet
and
then
there's
a
commercial
open
space
as
well
common
open
space
of
1657
square
feet.
That
space
is
mainly
to
provide
some
active
uses
for
the
commercial
use
for
whoever
ends
up
going
in
there
in
terms
of
parking.
So
the
commercial.
M
Is
parked
at
a
rate
of
one
for
every
250
square
feet
of
commercial
space
so
that
it's
about
18.
unit
or
18
parking
stalls?
The
apartments
are
parked
at
two
units
or
two
spaces
per
unit,
and
then
the
other
units
are
parked
at
2.8
with
two
in
the
garage
and
then
the
0.8
kind
of
spread
out
on
throughout
the
site.
M
There
is
a
requirement
for
some
commercial
for
bicycle
parking
for
the
commercial
component,
which
requires
or
which
applicants
provide
five
class,
one
an
18
class,
two
hurricane
or
bicycle
parking.
So
this
is
another
site
plan
kind
of
showing
the
landscaping
that
the
project
will
be
doing
so
again.
One
of
the
the
project
again
is
off
stevens
canyon
and
you'll
kind
of
notice
that
the
two
sides
there's
kind
of
a
landscape
buffer
to
kind
of
bookend
the
development.
M
M
By
providing
you
know,
tree
canopy
and
coverage
throughout
the
landscaping
includes
various
types
of
ground
cover,
but
the
big
thing
is
that
they're,
low
low
water
usage
as
well,
the
along
the
perimeter
of
the
applicant,
has
worked
to
to
do
basically
privacy
planting,
that's
something
that
we
we
do
for
a
lot
of
our
single
family
developments,
so
this
project
has
basically
wrapped
itself.
So
that's
not
trying
to
minimize
the
impact
to
the
adjacent
properties.
M
They
use
similar
colors
materials
to
kind
of
again
to
connect
the
two
sites.
So
the
unit
makes
five
apartments
and
eighteen
for
sale
units
the
project
we
required
to
provide
two
units
for
sale
and
one
apartment
unit,
the,
although
all
the
units
would
be
at
99
year
terms.
The
for
sale
units
would
be
available
to
one
median
and
one
moderate
income
level,
and
then
the
apartment
itself
would
be
available
to
very
low
income
households.
M
In
terms
of
the
environmental
analysis,
there
was
no
significant
impacts
that
couldn't
be
mitigated.
We
did
include
some
mitigation
measures
for
air
quality,
biological
resources,
cultural
and
tribal
resources,
noise
levels,
geology
and
soils
and
utilities,
and
these
are
pretty
typical
medications
that
we've
seen
throughout
the
city,
noise.
N
M
Is
you
know
making
sure
that
the
construction
equipment
isn't
too
loud?
Biological
resources
is
a
lot
for
you
know
the
removal
of
trees
and
making
sure
there's
no
nesting,
birds,
air
qualities,
construction
equipment
and
that
kind
of
thing
as
part
of
the
project.
We
did
update
it
for
the
cultural
and
tribal
resources
to
consult
the
local
tribe
to
make
sure
there's
no
to
kind
of
work
with
them
to
avoid
any
impacts.
M
M
Done
their
own
research,
I'm
sorry
their
own
outreach
for
for
the
project,
and
they
can
talk
about
that
if
the
commission's
interested,
but
they
did
their
own
community
meetings
as
well
as
our
recommended
action,
we
do
recommend
the
planning
commission
adopt.
The
draft
resolutions,
recommend
that
the
city
council
adopt
the
mitigate
negative
declaration
and
approve
the
the
different
permits.
The
zone
map,
amendment
development,
permit
tentative
map,
architectural
sign
approval,
use,
permit
and
true
permit.
C
Thank
you,
senior
planner,
serrano,
very,
very
useful.
Let's
return
to
the
commission
and
see
if
there's
any
thing.
Commissioners
have
to
ask
questions
so
over
to
you.
Commissioners
I'll
raise
your
hands.
First
one
is
muni
muni
made
pala,
you
are
on
and
then
followed
by
stephen
scharf
and
then
and
then
commissioner
sanjeev
kapil,
so
go
ahead.
Muni
four
is
yours:.
F
M
O
Yeah
thanks
eric
good
evening,
commissioners,
we
did
two
different
outreach
meetings
before
we
submitted
our
application
to
our
official
application.
We
had
met
with
staff
with
some
preliminary
meetings,
and
then
we
had
two
different
community
outreach
meetings.
We
noticed
farther
than
needed
within.
I
think
a
300
foot,
radius
city,
the
city
staff,
helped
us
with
addresses
and
we
mailed
out
invitations
to
a
community
meeting
on
site.
We
had
one
on
a
thursday
evening
and
one
on
a
saturday
afternoon
to
accommodate
people's
schedules.
O
Both
of
them
were
attended
by
over
100
people.
I
think
the
total
between
the
two
of
them
was
220
or
230
people.
I
think
commissioner
scharf
was
actually
at
one
of
those
meetings
and
there
was
another
city
council
member
at
that
time,
that
also
attended.
But
we
took
questions
for
an
hour
hour
and
a
half.
We
had
blueprints.
We
actually
had
a
model
built
of
the
project
and
showed
how
the
underground
parking
apartments
and
retail
would
work
in
conjunction
with
the
residential
component.
F
O
O
I
think
this
project
will
become
a
cornerstone
for
this
area
of
cupertino,
and
hopefully
there
will
be
some
neighborhood
retail
and
community
involvement
with
that
retail.
So
that
was
one
question
that
was
asked
as
eric
alluded
to
it's,
and
maybe
even
you
alluded
to
commissioner
wang
to
an
earlier
someone
asking
about
retail
is
there's
only
so
much
we
can
do
as
owners
and
developers.
People
need
to
come
to
us
with
an
idea
or
a
concept
or
a
restaurant
or
something
retail
to
put
into
the
project.
O
O
Talking
about
the
trucks
from
the
quarry,
it
did
tie
in
a
little
bit
because
it
came
to
my
attention
from
some
neighbors
that
those
trucks
were
parking
and
idling
in
our
parking
lots
at
length,
and
so
we
said
that
would
probably
cease
to
exist
if
we
didn't
have
any
more
large
parking
areas
and
the
parking
area
was
underground,
as
it's
proposed
to
be
for
the
commercial
and
apartments
it'll
be
a
little
tough
for
those
trucks
to
get
down
in
in
that
parking
garage.
So
those
are
the
two
things
that
were
talked
about
most.
O
F
M
No
rain
communication,
I
do
recall
when
dan
was
doing
his
outreach.
I
did
receive
some
kind
of
process
questions
from
some
of
the
people
who
may
have
attended
his
meetings.
Okay,
but
just
generally
like,
what's
the
process
like
what's
the
project
look
like,
and
I
think
I
just
answered
basically
what
mr
shaw
had
shared
with
the
city,
I
did.
K
C
G
G
So
I'm
I
mean
I'm
fine
with
this
project,
but
I'm
still,
you
know,
as
the
owner
said,
they
can
only
do
so
much
in
terms
of
getting
retail
into
a
project
and
since
we've
seen
all
these
other
mixed-use
projects
in
cupertino
struggle.
Oh,
I
forgot
the
biltmore
as
well.
The
the
turnover
is
just
huge.
These
businesses
cannot
survive.
G
If
you
remember
the
veranda,
it
was
originally
supposed
to
have
11,
affordable
units
and
retail
on
the
bottom,
and
we
took
out
all
the
retail
and
added
eight
more
affordable
housing
units,
which
I
think
was
a
good
thing
to
do
so.
Personally
again,
I
would
have
no
problem
with
this
project
I'll
miss
cupertino
bike
shop,
but
I
wish
I
personally.
I
think
this
should
be
all
housing.
C
L
Yeah
thanks
for
the
presentation.
Actually,
I
have
a
question
related
to
the
bmr.
So
what
is
the
this?
Is
a
mix,
use
development
and
I
noticed
that
you
mentioned
in
your
presentation
eric
the
two.
I
believe
two
sfrs
single
family
homes
and
and
one
apartment
allocated
for
bmr
correct
out
of
80,
and
so
is
that
some
some
that
is
there
as
per
the
guideline
or
is
that
the
priority
of
the
developers.
M
Yes,
that
that's
for
the
guideline,
so
with
this
project,
when
it
was
submitted,
the
requirement
is
15,
and
so
it's
spread
between
the
the
two
units.
So
you
get
one
sfr
one
row
house
and
one
apartment,
and
so
the
for
sale
units
are
are
median
and
moderate
and
then
the
the
apartment
for
power
guidelines
is
to
be
at
a
very
low
income
level.
M
E
E
It
was
fairly
busy
over
the
weekend,
so
I'm
glad
we
have
some
space
there.
In
fact,
I'm
asking
I'm
wondering
if
we
have
some
special
dedicated
bike
parking
area
there
or
some
of
the
car
parking
could
be
allowed
to
have
a
bike
parking
there.
That
was
one
question
and
the
second
question
for
me
was
also
related
to
the
amount
of
parking
there.
Do
we
have
any
overflow
parking
because
we
have
about,
like.
I
think
if
I
remember
collecting
about
50
to
20
homes
there.
E
H
M
In
terms
of
the
parking
requirements,
so
the
the
town,
homes,
brew
homes,
kind
of
thing
that
the
small
lot
homes
are
parked
at
a
rate
of
2.8
per
unit.
So
there
is
a
built-in
like
guest
parking
that
goes
along
with
it,
so
they
have
the
two
internal
and
then
the
0.8
times.
You
know
0.8
times
13
again
can't
do
the
math
right
now,
but
but
that's
that's
also
provided
on
site
to
kind
of
do
that.
That's
that
guest
parking,
that's
built
into
the
code
as
well.
M
E
E
Yeah,
so
I
think
that's
pretty
much
all
I
had
in
mind
the
bike
parking
and
everything,
because
this
area,
the
street,
is
quite
busy,
I'm
not
even
sure
whether
we
are
allowed
to
be
street
parking.
Unfortunately
so,
and
it
gets
a
lot
of
crap
like
so
street
parking
is
not
the
safest
there.
So
I'm
glad
we
have
enough
parking-
and
I
personally
like
to
see
some
commercial
area
there,
because
you
don't
have
anything
else
around
this
and
it's
good
to
have
some
shop.
C
Great,
I
do
some
questions
for
the
applicant
and
I'll
jump
in
and
then
go
to
vice
chair
sharp.
So
just
in
general
questions,
I
I
wonder
if
there
are
any
accommodations
made
for
the
existing
retail
units
that
are
there
judy's
kitchen,
the
laundry
I
think,
there's
a
liquor
store
and
stuff
there,
as
are
they?
Do
they
plan
to
come
back
or
they're
going
to
relocate
temporarily
so.
O
The
only
active
tenant
post,
coveted
was
the
bike
shop
and
the
bike
shop
worked
with
the
bike
shop
owner
and
helped
him
relocate
to
the
old
kelly
moore
store
over
on
dienza
boulevard
was
aware
that
that
was
in
the
development
that
had
been
approved,
but
the
developers
were
not
moving
forward
and
I
introduced
him
and
helped
him
get
his
his
business
moved
over
there.
I
don't
know
if
he's
interested
in
coming
back.
O
He
talked
about
retiring
actually,
but
he
moved
over
there
and
stayed
in
business.
So
I
hope
he
stays
in
business.
He's
a
good
community
local
owned
business,
not
a
giant
national
conglomerate,
so
I
hope
he
survives
and
thrives,
but
the
other
businesses
were
there,
the
laundromat
the
store
closed
several
years
ago,
the
laundromat
closed
five
or
six
years
ago,
before
we
even
owned
it.
So
there
hasn't
really
been
a
lot
of
activity
on
site,
except
for
the
bike
shop.
For
the
past
three
to
five
years,.
C
M
M
There's
certain
requirements,
of
course,
but
if
the
applicant
would
have
multiple
tenants,
they
can
go
through
that
sign
program
itself.
If
not,
there
is
our
signed
ordinance
that
we
work
with
the
applicant
and
their
tenant
to
kind
of
get
the
best
sign
best
sign.
That's
consistent
with
our
requirements.
Okay,
cool.
C
G
Thank
you,
chair
wong.
I
just
wanted
to
make
it
clear
that
I
would
love
if
we
could
have
successful
retail
there.
I
just
know
that
all
the
other
retailers
that
were
there
left
long
before
this
development
started
and
I
and
yeah
I
I
hope
you
can
find
some
retailers
willing
to
go
in
there.
It's
just
that.
G
I
I
see
the
other
mixed-use
developments
in
cupertino
that
tried
this
and
they
just
cannot
keep
the
retailers
there's
just
not
enough
foot
traffic
for
those
retailers
to
survive,
and
you
get
a
constant
churn
of
retailers
trying
to
establish
business
and
then
failing
after
a
year
or
even
less
I
mean
we
had
one
retailer
at
biltmore.
I
think
they
only
lasted
three
months
before
they
folded.
G
F
M
M
H
M
M
F
Okay,
okay,
yeah.
Thanks
for
the
clarification
I
I
I
really
like
the
mix,
so
I
I
appreciate
you
know
the
you
know
the
applicant
and
and
the
staff
you
know
working
together
like
it's
a
good
mix
of
you
know
for
sale,
units
and
the
bmr
center
and
stuff.
You
know
paying
a
in
loop
fee.
You
know,
building
the
housing
you
know
at
location.
Is
I
really
appreciate
it?
You
know
that's
very
important
because
we
do
want.
You
know,
bmr
units,
you
know
mixed
within
the
community
and
stuff.
F
You
know
paying
the
fees
and
you
know
putting
the
burden
on
the
city.
You
know
to
broke
mine
to
land
somewhere
else
to
build
right.
It
doesn't
always
work.
So
I
really
appreciate
it
on
the
retail
comment.
I
agree
with
you
know
vikram
because
you
know
that
area
doesn't
have
details.
So
I
know
it.
Retail
is
a
challenge
in
terms
of
you
know,
make
me
tactful,
but
given
the
by
traffic-
and
I
myself
is
a
biker,
so
I
cross
that
street.
You
know
multiple
times
and
I
usually
go.
F
You
know
bike
shop
as
well.
So
it's
okay!
You
know
if
it
moves.
You
know
somewhere
else
as
long
as
it's
within
kubernetes,
but
I
would
like
to
see
retail
succeed
at
that
location,
especially
you
know,
but
the
amount
of
traffic
you
know
that
goes
through
that
junction
bike
and
foot
traffic
will
be
nice
to
have
some
kind
of
a
retail
that
serves
that
kind
of
people
want
to
fall.
Thank
you.
C
L
Yeah
one
question
for
eric
is
that
I
I
go
through
that
route
multiple
times
and
it's
on
a
t
kind
of
a
t
junction
there
and
the
basically
the
the
setback
from
the
the
bike
shop.
I
always
notice
that
to
the
main
road
was
very
well
now
you
are
adding
so
much
of
development
out
there,
multiple
houses
and
town
homes
and
apartments,
and
things
like
that.
So
I
presume
that
a
lot
of
vehicles,
the
traffic
will
coming
in
into
the
unit
into
this
development
site
and
coming
up
will
increase,
is.
H
L
A
plan
to
widen
that
road,
or
is
that
the?
How
is
that
going
to
work
in
terms
of
the
increased
occupation
of
that?
Because
the
complex
was
not
so
much
that
it
was
not
very
active
there?
I
noticed
that
for
two
plus
years
that
not
much
was
going
on
there,
but
now,
since
you
are
adding
those
houses,
those
car,
the
lot
of
ways,
your
traffic
will
increase,
and
that
is
actually
a
bike
route
as
well
as
the
road
is
not
that
wide.
In
my
opinion,
I
don't
know,
that's
my
personal
opinion.
M
Yeah,
so
a
couple
things
happened
with
this
project.
One
of
the
things
we
did
coordinate
with
our
transportation
division
and
with
the
applicant's
transportation
consultant
as
well
to
kind
of
work
to
line
up
the
driveways
and
kind
of
work
to
make
sure
the
line
of
sights
were
being
met
for
the
project,
so
that,
basically
you
know
the
you,
the
vehicle
users
and
the
bike
users
would
be
able
to
see
one
another.
M
Should
the
you
know
if
it
you
know
when
they
were
using
the
site
or
visiting
the
site
so
that
that
was
an
intended
thing
and
even
kind
of
lining
them
up
with
the
the
streets
across
so
that
they're
not
running
into
each
other
with
shrimp
generation.
So
when
you
look
at
children,
generation
commercial
using
actually
provides
a
higher
number
of
trips
because
there's
more
turnover
in
the
users.
C
L
C
M
Yeah,
you
know,
I
understand
your
concerns,
and
so
we
did
look
at
different
factors
into
the
analysis
and
we
can
work
with
the
applicant
to
kind
of
provide
more
way
finding
signage,
and
you
know
to
make
sure
that
the
users
of
the
site
are
aware.
You
know
to
look
to
look
for
different
users.
The
intent
here
is
that
it
is
a
mixed-use
development,
and
so
we
do
anticipate
pedestrians,
bicycles,
vehicles,
all
being
users
on
the
site,
and
so
with
that
there
are
certain
expectations.
M
C
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
additional
comment.
With
that,
I'm
going
to
move
to
the
public.
Now
we
have
one
comment:
if
you've
got
a
comment,
please
raise
your
hand
in
zoom.
If
you
can't
find
that
there's
a
raised
hand
button
somewhere
there,
if
not,
sometimes
it's
in
the
comments
section
and
other
additional
actions.
Oh
commissioner,
saxena
we'll
go
to
you.
First
then
we'll
come
back
to
the
comments
I'll
go
ahead.
Commissioner,
sexting
you're
in.
E
E
It
is
in
the
interest
of
the
developers
to
make
sure
that
the
retail
thrives
here,
because
the
city
leads
later.
We
need
the
revenue
within
our
access.
We
don't
want
to
be
driving
10
miles
to
buy
a
pair
of
shoes
which
I
have
done
at
some
times
so
as
a
general
guidance
to
the
planning
you
know
like
if
we
could
incentivize
and
encourage
the
new
developers
to
provide
rent
at
a
place
where
the
businesses
can
sustain
and
drive.
That
would
help,
because
andrew
would
be
a
surprising
problem.
E
C
B
B
I
know
that
when
we
were
kids,
we
used
to
go
up
and
picnic
up
at
the
dam
and
up
up
in
the
parks
up
by
the
creek,
and
my
mom
would
sometimes
stop
and
get
supplies
for
picnics,
napkins,
etc
at
the
the
little
store
that
was
there,
and
I
think
that
it's
important
to
remember
that
this
is
there
are
a
lot
of
homes
up
there.
You
do
have
a
lot
of
traffic.
Now
we
have
bicycles.
We
didn't
really
have
that
back
when
I
was
a
kid.
B
People
were
very
brave,
but
it
is.
There
is
a
lot
of
through
traffic
that
is
going
up
to
the
park
areas
back
up
now
we
have
bicyclists
and
it
might
be
interesting.
You
might
wind
up
with
an
ice
cream
shop
there
you
might
have
maybe
a
store
that
would
have
help
if,
with
bicycle
issues,
you
might
have
it'd
be
wonderful
if
they
had
like
a
corner
cafe
or
they
had
like
a
7-11
type
situation.
B
But
I
I
was
just
curious
what
types
of
retail
they're
looking
at
would
they
be?
Could
this
site
4200
square
feet?
Can
that
accommodate
a
cafe,
etc,
etc?
Or
you
can
even
have
a
beauty
salon
in
there?
Also,
did
you
all
look
at
whether
eventually
stevens
canyon
road,
I
think
it's
called
stevens
canyon
road
up
there.
If
that
is
going
to
eventually
be
widened,
I
I
never
really
knew
what
the
plans
were
at
that
point.
B
But
yes
thank
you
for
keeping
retail
there.
I
know
it's
a
challenge,
but
I
I
think
that
it
is
important
that
we
try
to
provide
some
sort
of
retail,
as
lisa
said,
to
keep
people
shopping
in
town
and
even
if
you
sold
cookies
up
there,
it
might
be
a
good
place
to
stop
and
get
a
cup
of
coffee.
Thank
you.
J
J
And
sexina
that
we
need
to
have
retail
in
these
commercial
centers
and
we
need
to
find
the
right
kind.
We
don't
need
all
these
nail,
salons
and
bubble
shops.
We
need
things
that
service
the
community
and
in
this
particular
case
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
bike
users
on
the
weekends
and
even
during
the
week,
something
that
I
I
would
request
that
whatever
goes
in
is
not
a
high
volume
parking
need.
J
C
K
I
just
I
have
seen
things
happen
when
there's
commercial
involved
in
retail,
where,
because
there's
no
for
sure
tenant
at
the
time-
and
you
don't
know
what
kind
of
activity
you're
going
to
have
or
what
kind
of
business
activity
there
is
in
just
getting
it
stocked,
shall
we
say
so,
and
I
didn't
look
at
these
plans
closely.
I
will
tell
you
that,
but
I
know
other
places
that
have
been
approved
and
I
just
think,
oh,
my
gosh.
What
are
they
thinking?
K
There's?
No
there's
no
room
for
deliveries.
There's
you
know,
so
I
just
hope
that
all
of
these
kind
of
places
there's
that
thought
process,
because
even
some
bigger
projects
who
have
supposedly
had
that
thought
process.
It
doesn't
work
out
because
it's
not
thought
through
well
enough.
I
guess
so
it's
not
specific
to
this
project
at
all.
This
comment,
it's
just
you
know,
because
you're
not
exactly
sure
what
you're
going
to
have
you've
got
to
have
plans
for
worst
case
scenario.
C
Great
comment
there
by
lisa,
I
think
the
two
major
formats
that
are
emerging
in
these
areas
for
small
stores
are
gross
rots,
so
the
blend
between
groceries
and
restaurants,
something
to
think
about
repair
shops
and
also
places
that
actually
serve
also
with
amazon
type,
lockers
and
locker
capabilities
that
actually
drive
retail
foot
traffic
there.
So
just
something
to
think
about
seeing
that
in
the
research
on
retail
from
the
national
retail
foundation.
F
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
expand
on.
You
know
what
commissioner
sexena
said.
Sucks
of
retail
depends
on
you
know.
Mostly,
you
know
the
landlord
being
accommodative.
I'd
say
that
no
from
my
own
personal
experience
I
used
to
have
a
restaurant
and
when
in
a
new
development
you
know
I
opened
it
and
you
know
it
ran
for
quite
some
time.
F
I
didn't
make
any
money,
but
you
know
I
was
keeping
it
open
for
you
know
the
customers
send
it
on
for
the
employees
that
were
working
there
and
I
would
go
to
you
know
the
landlord
and
often
you
know,
show
the
books
and
say
you
know.
Hey
here
is
how
it's
doing,
and
you
know
I
need
help.
You
know,
can
you
you
know
reduce
the
rent
or
here
and
there
you
know
that
landlord
was
very
accommodative,
so
I
was
able
to
operate
it
for
almost
eight
nine
years.
F
So
then
comes
you
know
the
building
gets
sold
and
you
know
new
landlord
comes
everything
changes
right,
so
I
couldn't
run
it
anymore.
So
I
was
like
you
know,
making
losses.
You
know
two
years
in
a
row
and
you
know
I
had
to
you
know
close
it
right
so
so
the
landlord
plays
a
huge
role
in
successful
retail.
F
So
I
think
you
know
I'm
speaking
from
my
own
experience
right,
so
I
kept
it
open
just
for
customers
and
kept
it
open,
for
you
know
the
employees
and
I
had
to
close
it
so
so
I
I
I
would
I
would
wish
I
wish
you
know
success
with
this
project
and
you
know.
Hopefully
you
know
you
can
be
that
accommodative
landlord,
for
you
know
the
retail
retailers
that
come
there.
Good
luck.
C
Thank
you,
commission
maripotla
see
if
there's
any
other
questions,
I'm
just
going
to
put
some
comments
in
here.
I
I
wanted
to
comment
that
I
understand
this
has
been
a
very
long
project
and
process.
There's
been
a
lot
of
community
input.
There's
been
a
lot
of
work
with
the
city
and
the
city
staff
to
make
this
process
possible.
I
know
you've
gone
through
a
lot
as
a
applicant,
I'm
impressed
by
the
way
we
looked
at
parking.
I
think
that's
very
important
here
I,
like
the
design,
aesthetic.
C
I
think
it's
nice
to
have
some
modern,
contemporary
looking
buildings
in
play,
and
I
also
like
the
way
it
blends
in
mixed
use.
I
think
it's
a
great
way
to
look
at
mixed
use.
That
area.
When
I
look
at
the
demographics
and-
and
I
draw
a
little
map
around-
it-
is
what
we
call
retail
desert
and
and
much
needed.
We,
we
need
basic
shops,
basic
repair,
things
things
that
people
need
to
get
to
like
even
a
small
pharmacy.
We
great
for
some
of
the
folks
there.
C
That
also
is
an
aging
area
of
cupertino,
where
we
see
the
average
ages
in
that
population
group.
Actually
have
been
going
up
over
time,
so
there's
certain
services
that
are
there.
I
do
have
sentiments
as
well.
I
wish
you
luck
as
a
vice
chair,
sharp
says
on
the
retail.
It
is
very
hard
to
do
that
there.
So
hopefully
that
piece
does
succeed.
I
think
that
you
know,
hopefully
our
projects
in
the
future
work
this
way.
C
Hopefully
they
don't
take
as
long,
but
we
work
well
with
applicants
in
the
future
to
be
able
to
create
these
mixed
use
environments
that
serve
the
community's
needs.
I
think
it's
also
very
important
to
be
able
to
meet
some
of
the
new
emerging
standards
that
we
have
in
the
community
to
be
able
to
actually
create
the
right
mix
of
housing,
retail
and,
of
course,
the
right
type
of
environment.
So
I
commend
you
on
that.
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
great
project,
I'm
in
full
support
of
us.
C
D
C
G
Yeah.
Thank
you
pew.
That's
a
good
point
because
I
know
at
metropolitan
when
they
they
tried
to
lease
it
to
retailers
and
were
not
successful
and
they
they.
This
is
before
I
was
in
council.
They
came
to
city
council
said:
hey:
can
we
change
this?
So
we
can
put
in
medical
offices
and
the
city
council
agreed
because
they
realized
that
retail
was
not
not
possible
to
be
successful
there
so
yeah.
C
Also
known
as
eb5
investment
vehicles
but
anyways,
let's
go
ahead
not
to
be
snarky
at
this
meeting.
Any
other
comments
from
commissioners.
So,
okay!
Well,
let's
put
this
thing
to
a
vote.
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
and
you
can
of
course
approve
all
six
parts?
I
think
it's
six,
I
better
double
check
here
or
in,
or
you
know,
in
little
segments,
actually
all
seven
resolutions.
So
sorry
about
that.
C
I
don't
know
whatever
we
can
do
it
all
seven
at
once.
If
you
want,
if
you
understand
you
know,
we
can
break
them
all
up
too.
If
you
really
want
to,
but
I
think
seven
I
think
we're
in
agreement.
We
can
all
do
seven.
So
let
me
make
a
proposal.
Is
there
a?
Is
there
a
proposal
to
approve
draft
resolution
for
ea
draft
resolution
for
z,
draft
revolution
for
the
development
permit,
drastical
decision
from
the
tentative
map,
architecture
and
site
approval,
use,
permit
and
tree
removal
permit?
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve.
C
C
E
C
C
F
E
C
C
Okay,
cool
with
that
we're
we'll
move
to
item
number
two,
which
is
the
third
item
at
this
moment
for
those
following
along
here
and
keeping
score.
I
want
to
take
a
five
minute
break
just
to
get
everyone
there
in
case
you
need
a
bio
break
and
let's
adjourn
for
a
quick
five
minutes
and
come
back
at
let's
say:
8
00.,
actually,
no
7
56.,
let's
see
if
we
can
get
here
with
their
math
I'll,
come
back
at
7,
56
I'll,
take
a
quick,
five
minute
break.
C
C
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
C
C
Okay,
let's
go
to
agenda
item
number
two,
which
is
now
agenda
number
three,
but
I
will
jump
in
here.
Okay,
agenda
number:
two:
consider
a
development
proposal
to
demolish
an
existing
commercial
building
and
construct
a
new
nine
unit.
Single-Family
home
development
with
one
home
containing
an
adu
applicant
number
is
a
lot
of
those.
Now
the
applicant
is
allen
enterprise
llc,
located
on
22
690,
stevens,
creek,
boulevard,
apn,
number
341-14-066
and
342-14-104
and
105..
C
For
those
remember,
that's
the
mate
brothers
store.
That's
there
recommended
action.
Staff
recommends
that
the
planning
commission
adopt
the
draft
resolution
recommending
that
the
city
council
won,
adopt
a
mitigated
negative
declaration
to
approve
the
zoning
map.
Amendment
three
approve
the
development
permit
for
approve
the
tentative
map.
Five
approve
the
architectural
and
site
approval
and
six
approve
the
use
permit.
So,
okay!
So
let's
go
to
the
staff
report.
Who
do
we
have.
D
M
Okay,
can
everyone
see
my
screen-
okay,
perfect,
okay,
so
again
I'll
be
presenting
on
the
project
at
two
to
six:
nine,
zero,
stephen's,
creek
boulevard
or
the
tape
property
as
it's
commonly
referred
to,
so
the
project
is
located
at
the
corner
of
foothill
and
stevens
creek.
The
project
is
actually
three
different
parcels
with
the
two
two:
six,
nine
zero
being
the
main
address
so
surrounding
the
project
you
have
residential
and
office
uses
to
the
north
to
the
west.
M
Sorry
to
the
east,
you
have
the
the
cupertino
auto
carrier,
gas
station
south
you
have
a
continued
residential
uses
and
to
the
west
you
have
residential
uses
and
then
the
monte
vista
fire
substation
as
well.
The
project
would
demolish
the
existing
commercial
building
and
replace
it
with
a
nine
unit
subdivision
with
one
unit
containing
an
adu.
M
As
an
issue
of
commercial
residential,
the
zoning
destination
would
need
to
be
changed
to
plan
cg,
pcg,
ratchets,
plant
development
and
general
commercial,
residential
intent.
The
net
law
area
is
0.63
acres
and
the
gross
law
area
is
0.78.
Acres.
Now,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
of
the
quite
a
bit
of
the
lot
that
is
being
dedicated
for
public
improvements
along
siemens,
creek
and
foothill.
The
density
allowed
is
15
billion
to
the
acre,
and
the
maximum
height
allowed
is
30
feet.
M
So
this
is
the
property
or
the
development
itself.
It's
a
conceptual
site
plan.
As
you
can
see,
the
units
are
loaded
towards
the
front
towards
stevens
creek
and
towards
foothill,
giving
itself
a
lot
a
larger
back
larger
setback
from
the
adjoining
residential
uses,
so
the
height
of
the
buildings
is
below
30
feet,
compliant
complying
with
the
general
planet
varies
but
below
30
feet.
The
density
proposed
is
11.5
billion
units,
the
acre
consistent
with
the
general
plan.
M
The
open
space
similar
to
the
other
project
we
heard
earlier
is
consistent
with
the
part
of
the
city
specific
line
where
there's
a
range
of
private,
open
space
between
115
and
635.
639.
Excuse
me
a
square
feet
of
of
open
space.
There
is
also
a
common
open
space.
That's
located
in
the
project
in
the
interior
that
has
a
thousand
four
hundred
seventy
five
square
feet,
or
a
little
bit
more
than
150
square
feet
per
unit
parking
for
the
site.
It's
2.8
parking
spaces
per
per
unit.
H
M
Yeah
yeah,
no,
that's
fine!
So
with
the
unit
mix
and
bmr
requirements,
there's
a
there's
different
three
different
unit
types
unit,
one
and
unit
two
both
have
four
bedrooms
unit.
Three
type,
three,
I
should
say,
is
three
bedroom
with
an
adu.
The
project
would
be
required
to
provide
one
bmr
unit
as
part
of
our
housing
mitigation
procedures,
and
that
would
be
for
medium
income
household
and
the
the
requirement
that
that
stays
at
that
income
level
for
a
period
of
99
years,
going
into
the
site,
planning
and
architectural
design.
M
The
project
has
its
largest
physical
separation
provided
along
the
rear,
which
includes
a
row
of
privacy
trees
throughout
it
throughout
the
development
to
kind
of
mitigate
any
potential
privacy
concerns
from
the
adjoining
properties.
Guest
parking
is
also
to
the
rear.
Next
to
the
common
open
space
for
the
project
and
then
along
the
frontage.
There's
a
lot
of
physical
improvements,
detached
sidewalk
trees
to
help
screen
the
buildings
and
provide
a
more
pedestrian
friendly
environment.
M
In
terms
of
the
architecture,
napping
has
introduced
various
architectural
elements
and
materials
to
help
reduce
the
massing
of
the
buildings.
This
can
be
seen
in
the
different
projecting
elements
during
the
along
the
frontage
and
the
different
materials
and
horizontal
masking
elements
further
help
to
alleviate
the
massing
of
the
structure.
M
With
the
environmental
analysis,
there
is
no
significant
impacts
for
the
project.
There
are
mitigation
measures
for
air
quality,
biological
resources,
cultural
and
tribal
resources,
noise
levels,
geology
and
soils
and
utilities
for
air
quality.
It's
construction
equipment
that
that
kind
of
thing
biological
resources
is
nesting,
birds,
making
sure
there's
not
no
nothing
within
the
project
site,
cultural,
tribal
resources.
We
did
during
the
nli
period
for
this
project.
M
M
Also
did
their
own
outreach.
They
coordinated
a
couple
of
a
few
two
or
three
zoom
meetings
as
well
to
kind
of
get
some
input
for
the
project
and
our
recommended
action
that
the
planning
commission
adopted
draft
resolutions
recommended
the
council,
adopt
the
mitigate
negative
declaration
and
approve
the
zone
map
amendment
development,
permit
10,
map
architectural
site
approval
and
use
permit,
and
with
that
avail
for
any
questions
we
do
also
have
the
applicant
and
their
team
here
as
well
and
in
case
there's
any
other
questions.
M
C
M
So,
generally,
generally
speaking,
it's
it
should
require
some
sort
of
commercial
component,
but
it's
not
explicitly
dictated
in
the
general
plan
as
a
shell
for
neighborhood
commercial
sentence.
But
it's
encouraged
to
have
those
types
of
uses
that
make
a
mixture
of
residential
or
mixture
of
commercial
and
residential.
If
warranted.
C
E
D
That
the
general
plan
doesn't
have
any
minimums
or
maximums
on
commercial
square
footage.
The
general
plan
does
have
a
policy
that
discusses
development
of
neighborhood
commercial
centers
in
a
certain
way
in
a
mixed
use:
urban
in
a
mixed-use
village
format,
but
the
language
of
the
general
plan
is
permissive.
It
does
not
have
a
lot
of
shells.
It
is
mostly
it
talks
about
how
a
development
should
be
developed
with
certain
criteria
in
mind,
and
so
the
requirement
is
not
very
exacting
in
how
the
commercial
space
or
how
the
development
should
be
designed.
D
F
So
is
there
an
opportunity
to
fix
the
language,
but
I
understand
you
know
in
this
case
you
know
it's
subject
to
interpretation
and,
and
so
things
were
allowed
and
and
if
you
wanted
to
respond
to
the
applicant,
you
know
there
is
a
time
frame
within
which
you
know
we
should
have
responded
so
that
time
has
la
lapse.
So
so
I
understand
you
know
this
is
a
little
bit
tricky,
but
at
least
you
know
to
avoid
running
into
this
in
future,
you
know:
do
we
need
to
make
some
changes.
D
D
You
know
conceptual
plans
that
the
applicant
had
grown
up.
It
did
not
make
a
viab.
It
was
not
very
viable
to
include
commercial
space
on
a
very
small
lot
such
as
this
one,
particularly
one
that
was
losing
quite
a
bit
of
frontage,
to
I'm
sorry,
quite
a
bit
of
land
to
frontage
improvements
that
they
had
to
make
to
accommodate
street
improvements.
F
F
It's
it's.
You
know
at
that
junction.
You
know
homestead,
you
know
foothill
junction,
so
it's
very
far
off.
There's
nothing
there
right,
so
ordinary
a
lot
of
come
towards
in
a
post
office
right.
So
I'm
kind
of
a
little
bit
concerned.
You
know
giving
away
that
option
right.
I
mean
I
understand.
You
know
this
project.
You
know
it's
water
under
the
bridge,
but
but
in
general
you
know.
I
would
like
to
avoid
running
into
this
in
future.
N
Yeah
I
mean
the
straightforward
answer:
is
that
yes,
for
you
know
it
going
forward
prospectively,
it
is
a
policy
decision
that
planning,
commission
and
council
can
consider
to
to
to
make
requirements
that
to
make
the
requirements
clearly
mandatory
for
commercial
use
in
certain
you
know,
neighborhood
center
commercial
nodes
within
the
city.
You
know
that
that's
just
a
policy
decision
that
that
planning,
commission
and
council
would
have
to
balance
flexibility.
F
M
I
believe
it's
a
normal
wooden
fence
and
yeah.
The
applicator
has
been
in
constant
contact
with
the
adjoining
property
owners
to
kind
of
work
with
them
and
to
minimize
any
impacts.
They've
had
actually
a
lot
of
contact
with
them,
but-
and
we
do
have
the
consult
the
applicant's
architect
here,
correct
me.
If
I'm
ron
john
and
jamie
about
the
fence,
I
believe
it's
a
wooden
fence.
F
C
G
G
I
really
appreciate
that
and
I'm
just
hoping
we
can
avoid
this
kind
of
thing
in
the
future
and
we
don't
miss
out
on
the
opportunity
to
require
the
commercial
and
retail
just
because
we
missed
that
30-day
window,
so
hopefully
the
city
manager
and
the
new
city
manager
can
take
steps
to
ensure
that
this
kind
of
thing
doesn't
happen
in
the
future.
That's
all
I
have
to
say
we
don't
really
have
much
choice
here.
Thank
you.
L
L
Is
there
something
that
it's
a
basic
amenity,
basically
that
you
need
to
have
some
some
level
of
retail
available
in
a
certain
distance
from
a
if
you
have
certain
amount
of
density
of
population
at
one
place,
so
just
for
my
education
is
there.
Any
guideline
like
that
has
been
is
exist
in
the
general
plan,
or
it
is
just
a
discretionary.
I
think.
C
Commissioner
kapil
I'm
gonna
answer
that
only
because
we
we
have
a
situation
here
and
but
the
site
is
designated
as
neighborhood
commercial
residential,
which
allows
residential
on
upper
floors
only
see
neighborhood
commercial
residential
definitions
in
the
general
plan,
appendix
a
land
use
definitions,
page
a4.
That
means
it's
a
subset
of
commercial
land
use
designation.
This
category
includes
retail
activities,
personal
services
and
limited
commercial
offices
that
serve
primarily
the
residents
of
adjacent
neighborhoods
residential
living
units
may
only
be
allowed
as
upper
floor
uses.
C
We
missed
that.
We
missed
that,
and-
and
that's
what's
the
discussion
point
here
so
what
the
strategy
in
the
land
use
document,
13.1,
commercial
and
residential
uses
review
the
placement
of
commercial
and
residential
uses
based
on
the
following
criteria.
All
mixed
use
areas
with
commercial
zoning
will
require
retail
as
a
substantial
component.
C
The
north,
the
anza
special
area,
is
an
exception.
That's
it,
and
so
these
are
neighborhood
commercial,
centers,
neighborhood
commercial
centers
serve
as
adjacent
neighborhoods
and
provide
shopping
and
gathering
places
for
residents,
so
retaining
enhancing
neighborhood
centers
within
and
adjacent
to
neighborhoods
throughout
cupertino
supports
the
city's
goal
for
walkability
sustainability
and
creating
gathering
places
for
people.
That's
what
lu2
is
about
right,
and
this
is
really
what
this
was
supposed
to
be
and
the
goal
was
to
do
that
to
promote
on
the
business
community
side,
revitalization
of
retail,
uses
creation
of
new
gathering
spaces
and
parcel
assembly.
C
This
housing
element
represents
the
city's
priority
for
residential
development.
Residential
uses
should
be
designated
on
the
mixed-use
village
concept
discussed
in
the
element
and
like
what
the
other
applicant
did
earlier.
That's
what
that
discussion
here,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out.
There
we'll
go
to
commissioner
saxena
and
also
go
to
city
manager.
Larson,
so
can
we
show
saxena?
Please
go
ahead.
E
E
C
I'm
a
bit
worried
about
this,
commissioner:
let's
give
the
acting
city
manager
a
chance
to
reply
and
then
also
for
the
staff
to
reply.
I'm
just
saying
what
staff
does
a
great
job.
We
definitely
complement
them.
When
we
have
issues
we
do
need
to
be
transparent
and
bring
it
to
parent
city
manager.
Larson.
Would
you
like
to
respond?
I
guess
you
get
your
hand
up
anyways.
I
will
jump
you
in
here.
R
R
R
H
D
D
The
the
definition
that
was
being
referred
to
by
the
member
of
the
public
is
for
neighborhood,
commercial
residential,
which
does
not
apply
to
this
property
and
the
language
about
the
residential
living
units.
It
may
only
be
applied
as
upper
floor
uses
is
on
the
neighborhood
commercial,
slash,
residential
land
use
designation.
D
C
D
Same
version,
that
is
the
correct
version,
but
the
land
use
designation.
The
definition
is
different
from
what
the
neighborhood
designation
is,
and
the
neighborhood
designation
takes
you
to
a
different
part
of
the
general
plan
that
kind
of
identifies
how
the
development
should
occur,
but
not
shall
occur
so
that
there
is.
There
is
a
little
bit
of
nuance
there.
But
again,
once
again,
I
do
want
to
clarify
that
there
are
certain
parts
of
the
city
where
that
particular
definition
does
apply,
but
to
this
particular
property.
That
definition
does
not
apply.
C
E
About
the
designation
and
what
you
said
that
there
was
an
an
asterix
called,
but
there's
something
else.
So
what
are
the
the
three
different
sections?
Are
we
talking
about
degraded,
commissioner?
Wong
see
the
asterisk
and
where
don't
we
don't
see
the
aztec
like?
What
are
these
two
couple
of
things
you're
talking
about
here?
If
you
could
just
clarify.
D
H
D
D
D
D
This
is
not
necessarily
a
definition,
but
it
talks
about
what
it
serves,
and
it
does
talk
about
that
and
it
talks
about
it
being
again
developed
with
the
mixed
use
herb
as
a
mixed-use
urban
village,
and
this
does
it
is
permissive
because
it
says
it
should
be
designed
on
this
particular
concept,
which
is
discussed
below
and
that's
the
permissiveness
of
the
language,
and
that's
where
that's
why
the
development
is
designed.
The
way
it
is
right
now
is
proposed.
D
C
In
this
I
mean
it
says,
on
page
lu70
I
mean
chapter
three
of
the
land
use
design
element,
so
so
there's
a
definition
for
neighborhood
centers
I'll
challenge
you
on
that,
but
you
know
being
polite
on
that.
There
is
a
definition
for
a
neighborhood
center,
so
that's
listed
there
so
whether
it
should
shall
must
I
mean
this
is
a
little
bit.
This
is
part
of
the
issue
here
right.
I
apologize
to
the
applicant
as
we're
discussing
these
things.
C
C
C
L
L
M
The
intent
of
those
planting
is
to
provide
some
privacy
screening
to
the
adjoining
residences,
and
those
trees
would
be
protected,
basically,
basically
in
perpetuity
for
the
development,
and
so
any
removal
of
one
of
those
trees
would
be
required
to
go
through
a
tree.
Removal
permit
process
and
be
replanted
in
kind
should,
should
they
ever
be,
you
know,
should
the
applicator
property
owner
ever
wish
to
remove
the
trees?
M
G
G
C
J
J
J
All
I
ask
right
now
is
that
you
fix
it
fix
it
now
and
don't
let
it
happen
again.
We
need
retail,
we
need
commercial,
and
these
centers
with
the
stars
need
to
stay
there
to
support
the
neighborhood
and
there
is
there's
the
definitions,
their
policies,
their
strategies,
their
goals,
and
it's
very
clear.
J
J
If
you
could
go
to
the
second
page,
please,
okay.
I
said
that
the
project
requires
a
general
plan
amendment.
I
think
that's
what
it
should
have
got
done
right
now,
the
way
it
is
it
it's
you're,
leaving
all
the
neighborhood
commercial
centers
at
risk
of
becoming
converted
to
resident
residential,
only
developments,
and
we
need
that
support.
We
need
to
be
able
to
run
the
7-eleven
or
the
coffee
or
tea
shop,
to
support
bikes,
also
in
the
staff
report.
J
Every
time
they
talk
about
plan
development
with
the
p,
they
say
that
there's
nothing,
nothing
allowed
nothing
required,
but
then
they
mention
r3
r3
does
have
requirements.
One
of
them
is
two
stories.
This
project
is
three
stories
and
nowhere
in
the
staff
report
does
it
mention
three
stories
so
and
the
setbacks
it
does
have
setbacks.
They
should
be
listed.
The
r3
setbacks
should
be
listed
as
allowed
required
so
that
you
don't
give
the
impression
that
just
anything
goes
which
right
now
it
does.
T
Hello,
my
name
is
gene
badord
and
I
am
a
long
time
resident
here
in
cupertino.
First
of
all,
let
me
say
I
am
thrilled
to
finally
have
something
happen
on
that
corner.
When
I
moved
here
30
years
ago,
it
was
an
eyesore
and
every
single
city
council
since
then
has
tried
to
get
some
sort
of
development
there.
That
would
make
it
more
attractive
as
one
of
the
main
entrances
to
the
city,
so
this
project
needs
to
go
ahead.
It's
the
first
one
that
somebody's
actually
proposed
that
appears
to
be
viable.
T
T
Please
get
this
approved
and
let's
get
it
built
and
get
that
eyesore
out
of
there.
I
think
you
need
to
pay
attention
to
the
fact
that
you
know
pew
has
said
that
the
land,
the
property
owner
is
giving
up
substantial
area
to
improve
that
corner.
That's
what
cupertino
needs
not
more
dead
retail.
Thank
you.
C
B
Thank
you
chair.
This
is
jennifer
jenny,
jennifer
griffin,
and
you
know
I
very
very
familiar
with
this.
The
intersection
there,
the
crossroads
and
in
terms
of
the
retail
of
this
cider
commercial,
because
now
that
we
understand
what
commercial
is,
this
is
a
big
change
in
that
we
don't
have
commercial
in
now
in
the
new
plans
for
this
project,
this
puts
a
an
added
strain
on
the
gas
station
site
across
the
street.
B
That
gas
station
site
does
have
a
snack
shack
in
there
you
can
buy
candy,
you
could
probably
get
water
bottles
of
water
etc.
So
that
gas
station
sort
of
functions
as
a.
I
don't
know
what
you
would
call
it
a
mini
7-eleven
and
to
some
extent,
but
that
also
means
that
in
the
future,
if
someone
wants
to
redevelop
the
gas
station
site,
that
means
that
gas
station
site
is
going
to
have
to
stay
a
gas
station
because
there
are
no
other
gas
stations
in
the
entire
area.
B
Unless
you
go
down
the
hill
toward
the
homestead
complex
at
trader
joe's
there's
a
gas
station
there-
and
I
I
you
know-
I
don't
know
who
owns
that
gas
station
I've
gone
there
periodically.
My
girlfriend
has
her
car
service
there,
but
one
should
probably
talk
to
that
property
owner
and
say:
hey.
Do
you
realize
what's
happening?
B
That
is
a
major
intersection
where
people
are
going
back
and
forth
and
it
yes,
it
may
be
a
retail
desert,
but
it
is
a
gas
station
desert.
You
know
you
have
car
repairs,
so
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
removing
every
essential
gas
station
types
of
situations
like
we're.
Not.
I
do
not
want
to
live
in
a
san
francisco,
where
you
don't
have
a
gas
station
for
five
miles
that
to
me,
that
is,
that
is
no
way
to
live.
B
B
B
K
The
council
at
the
time
wasn't
horribly
supportive
of
residents
getting
involved.
There
were
a
few
very
few
residents
who
had
an
opportunity
to
meet
with
a
couple
staff
members
and
try
to
tighten
up
some
language
in
some
areas,
but
it
was
too
little
too
late.
Well,
I
was
grateful
that
that
was
happening.
It
just
really
was
too
little
too
late
and
language
was
loosey-goosey.
K
K
C
P
P
Okay,
well,
I'm
I'm
I'm
glad
to
hear
all
the
you
know
what,
with
the
talk
and
the
discussion
here,
because
I
think
it's
all
good
talk.
I
think
it's
something
we're
faced
as
an
architecture.
Practice
is
how
we
go
about
doing
mixed
views
and
what
are
the
possible
ways,
and
I
just
want
to
reiterate
as
far
as
our
process,
we
did
not
automatically
design
homes
and
try
to
create
a
pedestrian
character.
P
We
looked
at
how
we
could
possibly
do
mixed
use
on
the
site
and
different
avenues,
so
we
did
spend
some
time
and
we
did
work
with
staff
before
our
final
submittal.
As
far
as
what
the
possibilities
are.
It
is
a
small
site,
you
know
0.63
acres
and
again
it
got
some
area
got
taken
away
by
right-of-ways
and
so
forth.
That
was
mentioned
by
eric,
but
the
thing
that
again
0.63
of
the
height
things
like
that
made
it
tough
to
do
the
mixed
use
as
far
as
really
creating
a
viable
project.
P
You
know
for
our
client
and
something
that
that
would
be
attractive.
That
was
mentioned
earlier
for
cupertino,
and
I
think
that
was
our
task
again
doing
something.
Creating
a
good
buffer
to
our
neighbors,
you
know
how
the
street
the
parking,
the
trees,
everything
worked
and
still
create.
You
know
like
front
porches
and
pedestrian
quality
and
along
stevens
and
one
of
the
things
maybe
in
closing
I'd
like
to
maybe
suggest
for
you.
I
think
you
talked
about
changing
language,
making
it
firmer
one
of
the
thoughts.
I'd
add
to
that.
P
As
far
as
you're
going
to
look
at
that,
I
would
look
at
some
of
the
zoning
items
such
as
height
such
as
density
that
basically
could
make
mixed
juice
more
viable
for
a
developer,
and
I
know
that's
a
tough
call
as
far
as
you
know,
looking
at
height
and
different
density
and
things
like
that.
But
I
think
those
are
considerations
if
you're
looking
at
language
and
things
like
that
about
what
could
make
a
project
more
viable
on,
say,
smaller
sites
like
this,
for
a
developer
or
for
a
retailer.
P
P
C
Well,
john
jamie
you'll
have
more
time
if
we've
got
stuff
back
in
the
deliberation,
so
don't
worry
so
stop
if
any
of
the
council
members,
council
members,
commissioners
actually
have
any
questions
for
you,
they'll
be
able
to
jump
in
and
ask
you
that
actually
quick
question
for
staff.
What
is
the
height
requirement
for
that
area?
Eric
just
double
checking.
C
C
That's
a
good
point
right.
Many
people
often
comment
that
the
west
side
is
is
not
as
dense,
and
you
know
there
may
be
some
density
thick
changes
that
could
occur
on
the
west
side,
so
just
an
interesting
kind
of
point
of
view.
Okay
and
we
could
put
underground
parking
there
as
well
like
the
way
the
other
site
had
on
canyon,
crossing,
correct.
M
C
We
kind
of
closed
public
comment
by
accident
here,
just
making
sure
there's
no
one
else
that
wants
to
jump
in.
If
anybody
does,
please
raise
your
hand,
you've
got
five
seconds
to
do
so,
and
we
will
jump
back
to
the
commissioners
and
we've
got
commissioner
madipatla
with
a
question
there.
Okay,
seeing
that
there
are
no
other
public
comments,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
public
for
your
comments.
Today
we
will
go
to
commission
ramadi
patwa
and
commissioner
saxena.
Please
go
ahead.
M
Yeah,
so
so
the
in
the
area
of
the
general
plan,
it
does
allow
for
30
foot,
height
limits
and
it's
it's
a
hard
sailing.
So
the
applicants
work
with
the
engineering
team
or
public
works
team
to
make
sure
that
that
requirement
is
being
met,
they're
roughly
29
feet,
10
inches
or
something
like
that.
The
adjoining
properties
can
go
up
to
28
feet.
M
So
it's
not
too
much
of
a
height
difference
or
height
allowance
difference,
but
it's
three
different
stories
and
I
can
pull
up
the
drawings
but
the
floor
or
the
floor
to
ceilings
about
nine
feet
for
each
one
and
there's
space
in
between
kind
of
for
building
materials
and
structural
members.
I
believe.
F
C
E
Yeah,
I
seem
to
have
lost
you
in
the
middle
yeah.
I
think
many
of
the
commentators
raised
very
valid
points
yeah,
clearly
that
corner
of
the
area
of
the
city
could
have
been
better
developed.
You
know
those
buildings
were
really
old.
Well,
I
would
call
them
nicer.
I
mean
because
that's
our
history,
that's
what
we
were,
so
I
wouldn't
call
a
history
eyesore,
but
yes,
it
could
have
been
better
that
the
land
is
quite
valuable
there.
E
And
what
happens
is
that
when
we
have
these
omissions,
exceptions
or
interpretations
which
lead
to
people
feeling
surprised
it
breaks,
trust
it
makes
starts
in
the
process.
It
breaks
trucks
in
the
council
and
breakthroughs
with
the
city
panels
and
and
kind
of
thing.
If
there's
one
thing
which
a
country
needs
right
now
is
a
greater
trust
of
everybody.
You
know
in
a
very,
very
heavily
polarized
country,
and
it's
reflecting
in
so
many
different
things.
E
So
I
just
want
to
take
this
opportunity
to
say
that,
like
the
issues
which
have
been
raised
by
various
parties,
all
of
them
resonate
to
me,
and
I
hope
we
take
this
as
a
lesson
to
actually
work
together,
collaboratively
where
all
the
different
parties
feel
heard
and
we
make
the
adjustments
needed
to
make
things
viable
while
preserving
the
intent
and
the
goals
as
set
out
in
the
plan.
Thank
you.
C
L
Oh
yeah,
so
I
was
also
a
little
bit
surprised
to
hear
that
it
is
a
three
story
thing
which
was
missed
out.
I
didn't
glad
in
the
report,
so
is
there
anything
else
we
should
be
knowing
which
has
not
been
deliberated
out
in
the
presentation,
because
this
was
specifically
called
out,
so
we
came
to
know
about
it,
but
what
this
kind
of
thing
raises
a
doubt
that
we
have
to
go
through
it
more
thoroughly
ourselves.
C
F
Yeah,
so
so
one
of
the
things
that
you
know
going
through
both
the
documents
you
know
for
both
the
developments
that
we
reviewed
today
I
saw
in
the
city
staff
report
that
no
no
setback
requirements,
so
I
was
a
little
bit
surprised
right
so,
and
I
know
one
of
the
residents
talked
about
it
as
well.
Right
so
can
the
staff
clarify
you
know
how
we
we
couldn't
possibly
have
a
setback
requirements
on
this.
M
Yeah
so
their
their
plan,
development
and
so
for
projects
that
you
want
wanted
to
be
streamlined.
They
would
follow
the
r3
development
standards,
but
that
would
you
know
not
require
any
discretion
or
review
the
applied
development.
Zoning
designation,
or
the
p
in
this
instance,
does
give
the
applicant
some
flexibility
and
development
standards
when
they
tend
to
coordinate
the
site
to
kind
of
work
for
the
best
project,
and
so
in
this
instance.
M
That's
why
there's
a
greater
setback
towards
the
rear
and
the
the
frontage
is,
you
know,
set
back
quite
a
bit
from
what
have
what
would
normally
have
been
their
property
line,
but
because
of
the
improvements
needed,
they
really
worked
with.
Our
public
works
division
to
try
to
get
as
much
infrastructure
improvements
along
that
frontage,
and
so
it's
it's
different
standards.
If
you
try
to
go
streamline
you
basically,
you
you
do
the
r3,
but
this
wasn't
that
case.
So
there
is
more
flexibility
in
these
standards.
F
Okay,
yeah.
The
reason
I'm
asking
is
that
you
know
I
mean
I
didn't
see
anything
you
know
standing
out
on
both
of
these
plants.
I
looked
at
them,
you
know
they
look.
Okay,
you
know,
in
terms
of
you
know
how
far
they're
from
the
pedestrian
walk
and
all
that,
but
you
know
I've
seen
some
neighboring
cities.
You
know
towns
where
you
know
the
the
wall
is
right
up
to
the
pedestrian
walk
right
and
people
can
literally,
you
know,
knock
on
the
windows
right.
That's
how
bad
it
is
right.
F
Yeah,
it's
not
only
pedestrian
friendly.
Even
you
know
the
privacy
for
people
that
are
going
to
live
in
these
homes
and
all
that
right.
We
want
some
space
right
so
between
the
strangers,
and
you
know
on
the
people
at
the
house
right.
We
don't
want
them
to
be,
like
you
know,
just
knock
on
the
window
right
so
right.
C
C
D
Yeah,
so
the
r3
standards
that
are
allowed
in
the
plan
development
zoning
district
was
one
of
the
measures
that
the
city
put
in
place
in
order
to
avoid
confusion,
when
a
streamlined
project
is
proposed
in
a
planned
development,
zoning
district.
So
the
plan
development
zoning
district
offers
two
paths.
One
is
you
can
just
develop
and
the
r3,
which
is
for
multi-family
units
which
are
attached
multi-family
like
apartments,
so
you
use
those
standards
and
if
you
were
to
build
to
those
standards,
you
could
pursue
a
streamlined
development
in
the
alternative.
D
You
could
go
through
the
discretionary
review
process
and
propose
alternative
standards
for
different
unit
types,
such
as
for
sale,
units
single.
You
know:
row,
houses,
town
homes,
single
family
homes.
So,
however,
depending
on
the
type
of
development
that
you're
proposing,
you
would
propose
standards
for
those.
C
P
Yeah
I'll
take
that
I
guess
you
can
hear
me.
I
guess
the
question
brainstorming.
I
guess
I'd
have
to
get
down
the
sketch
paper,
the
big
thing
about
going
four
stories.
The
thing
you
also
need
to
realize
about
retail
is
you
want
to
go
about
15
feet
with
the
retail
space
to
really
create
a
space
as
far
as
duct
work
and
things
like
that?
The
other
item
you'd
really
want
to
go
on
this.
P
So
part
of
it
is
be
honest,
is
you
know
some
degree
is
get
out
some
sketch
paper
and
start
looking
at
it
again
with
those
criteria,
but
that's
not
the
criteria
we
have
today
I
mean
I
would
love
to
participate
with
the
the
city.
You
know
and
talking
about
possibilities,
and
maybe
these
areas
besides,
like
I
said
besides
the
language,
would
be
possibly
because
I
think.
P
Maybe
what's
missing,
maybe
is
you
know
you
put
numbers
on
things
and
I
think
it's
maybe
yeah
maybe
sketching
things
out
and
brainstorming.
What
does
that
mean
and
what,
like
you
just
said,
if
I
did
40
feet,
if
we
did,
you
know
underground
parking
and
if
we
did
this
and
all
the
requirements
it'll
be
quite
a
different
project
than
we
have
here
today.
But
it's
it's
something
I
would
welcome.
You
know
to
join
the
city
and
looking
at
something
and
it
might
be
a
gathering.
P
C
P
P
Well,
I
think,
okay,
let's
say
40
acres,
maybe
three
and
four
stories
high.
You
have
maybe
three
to
four
thousand
feet
of
commercial
and
again
you'd
have
the
you
have
the
whole
site.
You
have
underground
parking
and
maybe
a
few
surface
spaces
and
back
the
other
thing
you'd
have
to
look
at.
As
far
as
our
site's
only
75
feet,
property
line,
the
property
line.
You
would
probably
have
to
look
at
your
neighbors.
You
know
we're
going
tall.
You
probably
want
to
look
at
the
back
being
tapered,
so
you
might
be
right
about
you
know.
P
Maybe
it's
35
40,
because
you're
going
to
want
to
probably
create
a
45
degree
angle
on
the
back.
You
know
what
we
other
jurisdictions
have
do
like
single
family
neighborhoods.
So
that's
that's!
That's
another
aspect
that
you
know
hurts
you
know.
Compliments
creates
a
more
complex
building.
You
know
the
garage
and
then
tapering
it,
but
those
those
are
things
maybe
to
take
a
look
at
as
far
as,
if
again
and
some
of
these
tight
sites.
Like
this,
you
know
bigger
sites,
you
have
more
room
to
maneuver,
but
this
is
again
75
feet.
C
I'm
just
thinking
like
we're
sitting
in
like
el
camino
real
somewhere
in
burlingame.
We
could
probably
pull
that
off
right
right.
This
is
a
little
bit
more
residential,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
where
we
are
yeah.
Why?
My
challenge
here
is
a
little
bit
different.
I
know,
commissioner.
Saxony
won't
jump
in
so
go,
go
jump
in
I'll
I'll
jump
into
my
part,
yeah.
E
H
E
P
E
P
Well,
it's
right
now
I
could
be
off
on
the
negative
side.
Seventy
five
thousand
dollars,
seventy
five
thousand
from
a
hundred
thousand
for
a
parking
space.
You
know
part
of
what
happens
with
the
garage.
Is
you
have
to
you?
Dig
it
out,
you
gotta
make
sure
it's
drained.
You
got
to
waterproof
it
and
then
the
concrete
you
got
to
form
it.
It
takes
time
to
form
it
all
the
rebar
again
you're
doing
a
foundation.
P
P
You
know
suddenly
you're
looking
at
a
six
months
or
longer,
construction
time
and
part
of
what
we
haven't
talked
about
here
is
what
land
prices
are.
You
know,
land
prices
are
just
up
there,
which
you
know
where
again,
our
clients
start
from.
So
all
that
sort
of
again
more
most
of
our
clients
are
looking
at
ways.
They
don't
have
to
do.
Garages
they're
actually
looking
at.
Is
it's
interesting
right
now?
What
again
construction
costs
just
have
gone
up?
P
C
E
N
C
Okay,
germainus
a
point
of
order
and
your
maintenance
here
from
our
city
attorney.
So
let's
go
there.
My
line
of
question
is
a
little
bit
different
right
and-
and
this
is
actually
my
challenge-
we
broke
a
first
principle.
We
broke
the
first
printer,
which
is
really
the
general
plan
and
to
do
what
we
needed
to
do
required
a
general
plan
amendment
and
that's
where
I'm
at
odds
right,
and
I
know
how
much
work
goes
into
this.
I
know
how
much
planning
goes
into
this
and
I'm
frankly,
appalled.
C
I'm
appalled
that
we
miss
this
right,
especially
in
a
time
where
everything's
ministerially
approved
and
we're
relying
on
city
and
the
city
staff
to
make
sure
that
we
follow
proper,
appropriate
legislation
and
that
we
catch
things
before
they
occur.
Things
don't
expire
right.
We
don't
miss
deadlines,
we
file
documents
in
order,
and
this
has
been
going
on
for
decades.
That's
why
we
have
a
new
city
council.
I
mean
that's,
why
people
voted
out,
that's
what
was
going
on
and
we
have
residents
like.
Oh
that's,
just
disregard
the
rules.
It's
okay!
C
We
need
more
housing
like
hello.
Do
we
have
rules
for
a
reason?
That's
that's
our
job
as
a
planning
commission
right,
that's
our
tribe
as
a
planning
department.
That's
our
job
as
a
city
I
mean
come
on.
I
mean
that's
what
we're
about
right!
So
yeah!
You
could
walk
more
housing
in
that
area,
but
once
again
I
do
respect
the
fact
that
we
need
more
housing.
We
need
more
density,
we
need
more
services
and
and
there's
a
lot
of
effort
here,
and
so
I'm
trying
to
think
about.
C
Is
there
a
way-
and
this
is
really
directed
at
you
know
chris
and
maybe
there's
a
way
here
to
keep
this
germain.
Is
I
mean?
Is
there
a
way
that
we
can
go
back
and
say,
let's
give
them,
let's
figure
out
a
general
plan
amendment
and
let
them
build
the
thing
that
they
want
to
build
there
right.
Is
it
four
stories?
Is
it
45
inch
and
45
feet
in
height?
Can
we
proper
setbacks?
Can
it
be
financially
viable
right
if
they
had
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board?
C
How
can
get
a
win-win
here
so
that
the
efforts
that
you
have
aren't
completely
wasted?
We
respect
our
general
plan,
amendment
general
plan
and
provide
a
general
plan
amendment
so
that
we
don't
set
precedent,
a
very
bad
precedent
in
neighborhood,
centers
and
and
come
to
like
some
kind
of
like
you
know,
win-win
I
mean
that's
where
I'm
at
right,
because
I'm
gonna
vote
no.
If
we
can't
get
to
a
win-win,
but
I
even
if
I
vote
no,
I
want
to
see
this
project
through.
I
want
this
project
to
be
successful
right.
C
I
want.
I
want
people
to
build
something:
that's
viable
there,
I'm
just
appalled.
I
was
appalled
at
the
environmental
review
committee
city,
council,
person,
kitty
moore
was
appalled.
I
mean
we're
just
appalled
like
how
do
we
miss
these
deadlines
right?
I
don't
want
to
set
a
bad
precedent
right,
but
I
also
want
to
support
housing.
I
think
there's
some
great
things
we
can
do
get
a
little
bit
more
density.
We
can
get
some
more
units,
you
guys
could
be
a
little
bit
more
profitable.
We
can
get
some.
You
know
developmentally
challenged
housing.
C
G
Well,
I
appreciate
that
chair
wong,
you
know.
Unfortunately,
you
know
this
got
through
the
cracks.
We
all
got
the
confidential
memo
from
the
city
attorney.
I
don't
know
if
it
was
today
or
yesterday
and
hopefully
we
all
read
it.
So
I
mean
I
will
be
voting
yes,
I
you
know,
we
don't
want
to
subject
the
city
to
any
lawsuits.
The
state
law
is
pretty
clear
and
yes,
I
think
we
would
all
like
something
different
something
better,
but
it
seems
like
you
know,
chris.
G
You
can
kind
of
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
it
seems
like
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
options
here.
You
know
based
on
what
the
state
law
is
so
I
mean
I
will
be
voting
yes,
I
wish
this
was
different,
but
you
know
this
fell
through
the
cracks
the
acting
city
manager,
you
know
said.
Hopefully
it
won't
happen
in
the
future
and
we'll
have
to
have
to
work
harder
to
prevent
this
from
from
happening
in
the
future.
I'm.
C
G
G
C
Our
previous
project
was
amazing,
the
city
staff
that
did
a
great
job,
great
collaboration.
It
shows
what
the
best
the
city
could
do
right.
I
I
commend
the
staff
on
that.
This
is
like
the
opposite,
I'm
like
what
the
heck
right.
So
let
me
ask
this:
do
you
need
a
second
opinion
with
with
the
city
attorney
like?
If
we
can,
you
know
figure
out?
If
we
can
vote
no
or
make
this
happen,
or
can
we
work
with
the
developer
to
figure
out
how
to
get
them
the
stuff
that
they
really
want
to
build?
C
N
N
C
That's
a
great
question:
we
don't
want
to
put
you
on
the
spot,
john
and
jamie
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
developer.
I
just
put
it
out
there
as
as
chair.
I
would
be
open
to
a
conversation
to
allow
you
to
find
and
file
a
general
plan
amendment
to
allow
you
to
build
something
much
more
suitable
for
that
project,
meet
your
project,
economics
and
also
meet
the
community
needs.
That's
where
I
would
be.
C
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
clean
up
our
bad
language
throughout
the
general
plan.
We've
been
trying
to
do
that
for
quite
some
time,
so
there
isn't
that
interpretive
measure
around
there.
So
that's
kind
of
where
I
stand
john
jamie.
I
think
you
want
to
jump
in
john.
I
think
you
muted
yourself.
There.
P
Yeah,
I
I'd
say
at
this
point
and
knowing
what
it
takes,
make
everything
you're
talking
about
and
the
time
frame.
Speaking
for
my
owner,
you
know
he's
not
going
to
want
to
do
that.
Just
because
again,
some
of
all
the
things
you
talk
about,
it's
going
to
take
a
long
time
to
do
that
and
we've
already
spent
a
lot.
It's
been
a
long
process,
it's
been
over
two
years,
so
you
know
I
speaking
for
my
client.
P
I
think
we
sort
of
stand
by
what
we
have
now
understand
everybody's
concerns,
but
we've
done
a
lot
of
work.
We've
gone
through
a
lot
of
things
as
far
as
what
we've
done
to
get
to
this
point,
so
I
guess
that's
that's
trying
to
be
as
polite
as
I
can
about
it.
That's
I
think,
where
we
stand
with
our
client.
E
Okay,
thank
you
for
sharing
jamie
john.
I
had
a
question
for
you
and
jamie
also.
It
looks
like
it
took
18
months
or
more
like
that.
To
get
this
to
this
point
right,
if
I'm
here,
but
could
you
share
share
your
thoughts
about
like
you
know
where
the
process
was
slow,
where
the
process
was
fast?
Where
was
it
start?
Was
it
called?
Was
it
like,
because
18
months
is
a
long
time
and
for
somebody
who's
going
down
a
couple
of
million
on
that?
It's
there.
P
Well,
I
I
I
think
eric
alluded
to
before
is
you
know,
you
know,
there's
been
staff
changes,
there's
making
sure
there's
a
lot
more
rules
as
far
as
making
our
our
packages
complete.
You
can
look
at
our
package,
it's
80
sheets,
so
part
of
be
honest.
What
happens
is
everything
we
have
to
do
now?
Is
architects
and
doing
our
submittal,
so
that
would
be
something
I
think
all
my
clients
would
like
to
ask.
S
And
the
the
environmental
review
was
a
very
lengthy
process,
so
we
had
a
submittal
submitted
and
then
it
sat
for
like
six
months
or
six
to
eight
months,
just
waiting
for
the
environmental
review
to
be
completed.
So
that
was
a
really
lengthy
process
as
well,
that
you
know
obsessively
could
have
been
faster.
G
E
Okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
about
one
thing
that,
while
I
think
at
least
some
of
the
people
here
feel
that
a
general
plan
amendment
would
have
been
the
better
way
to
go.
But
chris,
you
feel
given
the
circumstances
and
how
the
stage
law
is
written.
That's
not
something
which,
which
is
desirable
from
just
to
confirm
that
once
again
with
chris.
N
It's
yeah,
so
I
I
think
you
know,
generally
I'm
hesitant
to
give
this
kind
of
advice
in
public,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
the
community
to
hear
it,
and
so
you
know
they
understand
that
position.
That
you're
in
is
that
that
I
I
I
think
it
is
difficult
to
insist
on
a
general
planned
amendment,
because
at
this
point
in
the
project,
for
for
the
reasons
that
were
stated
in
the
memo
that
was
provided
to
you.
E
E
F
C
F
I
I'd
like
to
thank
the
community
member
piggy
griffin
for
bringing
this
whole
thing
to
our
attention.
You
know
that
that's
kind
of
you
know
the
community
that
we
have
right.
We
pay
attention
to
little
details
right.
So
that's
what
makes
you
know
this
community
great.
So
I
really
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
Peggy.
R
C
C
E
I
think,
after
what
this
told
me,
I
would
follow
what
his
advice.
I
think
we
made
our
concerns
very
clear
and
had
a
big
discussion,
so
I
would
go
with
what
chris
is
addressing
that,
even
though
a
gpa
would
have
been
an
ideal
in
situation,
but
perhaps
we
don't
have
that
window
anymore.
So
let's
stable
that
and
as
you
being,
let's
discuss
this
assuming
the
gpa
is
out
of
the
table
and
a
yes.
No
after
that,
that's.
L
F
G
S
G
G
F
C
Well,
just
for
john
and
jamie
sake,
I
have
read
all
eight
pages
of
your
filing
and
I
do
like
the
white
duck
stucco
and
the
long
something
western
cedar
for
your
aluminum
siding.
You
know
some
great
color
choices
and
palettes
there.
I
think
the
design
aesthetic
is
great.
So
you
know
those
were
noticed.
So
we
do
read
these
things,
and
just
so
you
know,
I
think,
the
I
I
I'm
just
very,
very
disappointed
that
we
did
not
catch
things
in
time.
C
I
have
to
vote
no,
mostly
because
of
a
policy
perspective,
but
that
doesn't
mean
the
other
commissioners.
Do
it's
not
because
I'm
in
favor
of
more
housing,
it's
not
in
favor
of
density.
It's
just
that.
We
have
roles,
we
have
roles
and-
and
we
rely
on
our
staff
to
enforce
those
roles
to
manage
those
rules.
We
had
a
lot
of
issues
in
the
past
from
valco
all
the
way
on
to
here.
That's
why
we
have
a
new
city
council.
That's
why
people
were
voted
out.
That's
why
these
things
are
here.
C
We
have
a
very
active
residential
community,
as
you
can
tell
they
actually
look
at
the
details.
I
think
I
turned
to
my
residents
more
often
for
rules
about
things
I
didn't
even
know
about
and
especially
for
a
long
history
with
people
that
have
been
coming
to
these
meetings
for
a
very,
very,
very
long
time-
and
you
know
I
mean
I
I
that's
that's-
why
we
have
them
here
and
and
as
a
commissioner.
C
Our
job
is
to
reflect
our
residents
and
and
their
wishes,
but
I
do
understand
the
position
that
the
city
attorney's
taken
his
wise
decision
there
and
council
so,
but
I
will
have
to
vote
no
and
that's
that's
where
it
is
it's
not
because
I
don't
like
the
project
and
or
nor
have
I
read
the
project.
I
have
gone
through
it.
I've
gone
through
the
site
and
have
looked
at
that.
So,
okay,
let's
put
the
motion
for
a
vote.
C
C
Yeah
yeah,
ideally
that
would
make
our
lives
a
lot
easier
and
for
city
staff
as
well.
So
so
here's
the
motion.
The
motion
is
to
approve
to
adopt
the
mnd,
the
mitigating
sorry,
mitigating
negative
declaration
just
forgot
what
that
stands
for
approve
the
zoning
map.
Amendment
approve
the
development
permit,
approve
the
tentative
map,
approve
the
architectural
and
site
approval
and
approve
the
use
of
proof
permit
is
there
a
motion
to
approve
wants
to
make
that
motion.
C
F
E
G
G
C
H
C
C
I
do
read
your
homework,
read
the
freaking
hcd
and,
like
all
the
development
stuff,
it's
coming
right.
We've
got
our
housing
elements,
so
please
read
up.
Look
at
all
the
old
stuff.
Read
your
planning
like
go
to
the
planning
commission
academy
website
from
like
two
years
back
where
you're
back
read
up
on
stuff.
So
if
you
can
super
important
okay,
cool
staffing,
commission
reports,
anybody.
G
Well,
I
think
we
all
got
the
letter
from
the
loma
created
chapter
of
the
sierra
club,
as
did
the
city
council,
and
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
the
sierra
club
did
oppose
sb
35,
even
though
to
no
avail,
and
they
had
some
very
good
points
about
the
need
to
balance
commercial
and
residential
development,
and
you
know
they,
they
use
the
proper
number
of
150
square
feet
per
per
employee.
So
I
went
back
and
did
the
calculations
on
the
doc
osb35
project,
and
it's
just
it's
just
shocking.
G
I
mean
sp35
was
ostensibly
to
promote
more
housing
and
in
reality
you
know.
As
we
all
know
it
does
the
exact
opposite.
You
know
the
state
has
promoted
a
1.5
to
1
jobs,
to
housing
ratio
and
that
project
is
about
5.7
to
1..
So
we
all
know
that
this
initiative
is
coming
next
year
on
the
ballot
and
we
really
need
to
look
at
that
carefully.
Thank
you.
C
D
Sorry
chair,
I
just
recalled-
I
do-
have
one
announcement
to
make
with
regard
to
the
upcoming
work
program
items.
So
I
just
wanted
to
remind
the
chair
that,
at
this
point
is
the
time
when
the
commission
will
be
thinking
about
work
program
items
and
to
forward
to
the
council
for
its
consideration,
and
we
will
probably
bring
that
item
in
december
for
the
planning
commission's
considerations.
It's
just
a
prompt
for
you
all
to
think
about
what
program
items
for
next
year.
C
C
Okay,
I've
been
attending
these
tally
meetings
and
looking
at
what's
going
on
with
these
initiatives
to
take
back
local
control,
redondo
beach
mayor
bill
brand
has
been
launching
initiative
to
protect
zoning.
I
think
it's
becoming
a
statewide
initiative
for
those
that
are
interested.
I
think
that's
very
important.
It's
gonna
they're
gonna
need
about
a
million
signatures
to
be
placed
on
the
november
2022
ballot
and
signatures
must
be
collected
pretty
soon
131
days
before
the
vote.
C
This
is
to
combat
sb9,
which
has
been
taking
away
our
local
community
choice,
and
so
this
is
the
community's
choice
at
communities
for
choice.org.
You
can
kind
of
take
a
look
at
that.
There's
a
statewide
initiative
to
take
back
control,
give
us
back
our
local
land,
loose
land
use
control
back
so
that
we
can
actually
make
our
decisions.
This
effort
is
probably
it's
pulled
at
66
of
people
in
favor,
so
it's
gonna
be
interesting
to
see
how
this
turns
out
also
been
spending
some
time.
C
C
F
Sure
yeah,
no,
I
I
feel
pretty
good
about
now
proving
27
units
of
housing
today
at
those
two
sides.
So
so
that's
great.
So
thanks
for
everyone,
you
know
comments
and
hard
work
on
this.
You
know
the
staff
and
the
commission,
so
I
really
appreciate
it
and
hopefully
you
know
people
that
constantly
bad
mouth.
Could
you
know
take
note
of
it
right.
So
there
are
some
people
know
their
full-time
job
is
not
too
bad
mouth.
You
know
the
city,
even
though
city
is
doing
great.
You
know
on
a
lot
of
fronts.
R
You
know
I
just
want
to
say
first,
thank
you
to
the
commission.
You
know,
planning
commissions
are
obviously
or
often
the
toughest
job
in
any
city,
because
you
don't
have
the
stature
of
being
a
council
member
but
you're
doing
the
hard
work,
and
you
had
a
couple
of
tough
cases
tonight
that
you
went
through
and
you
did
it
collaboratively
and
collegially
and
thoughtfully.
So
thank
you
for
that
work.
On
behalf
of
the
city,
I
had
hoped
to
attend
a
couple
planning
commission
meetings.
R
H
F
E
Yeah,
you
know
if
I
had
to
say
something
I
would
say
I
encourage
to
stop
to
bring
issues
or
bring
developments
where
a
gpa
can
really
make
a
difference
like,
especially
if
they're,
like
smaller
lots
and
so
on.
Where
you
know
a
few
small
adjustments
later
there
can
allow
allow
something
really
better
and
something
which
works
for
more
of
the
interested
entities
involved.
E
The
part
of
the
part
of
the
charter
of
the
commission
is
to
be
making
those
exceptions
when
and
if
they
help
the
overall
community,
and
you
know,
preserves
the
developers,
rights
and
everything.
So
I'd
encourage
you
to
to
doing
more
of
that,
because
we
are
here,
and
we
love
to
give
our
ideas
and
our
thoughts
to
make
things
better.
R
H
R
R
G
G
Oh,
I
want
to
echo
what
commissioner
saxena
said
and
also
what
the
architect
said
today.
You
know
once
once
they've
started
the
plans
and
completed
them.
That's
not
the
time
you
know
for
a
general
plan
amendment
it's
way
too
late,
they're,
not
gonna.
You
know
come
back
and
start
over
and
I
had
this
discussion
with
another
property
owner
who
has
a
project
in
our
housing
element
and
asks
them
hey.
You
know
this
is
a
great
location
for
you
to
go
a
little
taller
and
put
in
some
more
affordable
housing.
G
Why
don't
you
ask
for
a
gpa?
And
they
said
you
know
where
the
project
is
designed.
We're
done.
You
know
we're
not
going
to
go
back
now
and
go
through
that
whole
gpa
process
which
could
take
another
year.
So
we
really
need
to
be
proactive.
If
we
see
a
site
that
really
could
support
additional
housing
and
additional
height
and
density.
G
R
R
If
pugh
gauche
mentioned
about
the
workshops
and
work
ahead
with
the
work
program,
that's
that's
the
important
stuff.
That's
going
to
shape
this
community
for
20
years,
and
I
just
challenge
you
all
to
step
up
for
it.
It's
going
to
be
hard
work,
but
the
repercussions,
if
you
don't
do
it,
are
so
severe.
I
I
live
currently
in
a
community
that
tried
to
pretend
the
housing
element
didn't
matter,
and
you
know
the
the
community
suffered
because
of
it,
and
it's
it's
just
you.
You
have
to
follow
those
rules,
any
case
we're
way
off
agenda.
C
R
C
So
no
thank
you
welcome.
Thank
you
and
yeah
with
that.
You
know.
I
don't
think,
there's
any
comments.
I
I
can't
see
anything
here,
I'm
on
a
zoom
screen,
so
we'll
see
what
happens,
but
with
that
welcome
and
we
are
going
to
end-
and
this
is
we're
going
to
end
the
november
23rd
2021
planning
commission
meeting
of
the
city
of
cooperation.
This
meeting
is
now
adjourned.
Thank
you
very
much.
Everybody.