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From YouTube: Cupertino City Council Meeting - April 19, 2022 (Part 2)
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Coverage of the Cupertino City Council Meeting of April 19, 2022. Part 2 of 2.
A
A
Mr
city
manager,
jim
troop,
who
do
we
have
to
provide
the
presentation
and
before
you
hand
it
over
to
that
person
I'll
refer
this
quickly
to
the
person
who
pulled
it,
but
who's
providing
the
presentation.
Jim.
B
A
C
Mr
true,
I
could
help.
A
Okay,
we'll
start
with
ben
ben
okay
ben
foo
director
through
of
our
of
our
planning
department.
I
know
it's
not
called
that
anymore,
but
so
let
me
see
who
pulled
the
item
that
is
number
21
was
councilmember
moore
councilmember.
Did
you
want
to
speak
briefly
to
the
reason
that
you
pulled
the
item.
D
D
I
thought
it
was
also
interesting,
the
number
of
units
which
are
in
the
bmr
program
and
the
number
which
are
expiring-
and
I
was
a
little
bit
concerned
about
that
in
relation
to
the
the
entirety
of
the
contract,
because
it
looks
like
they're,
they're
they'll,
the
city
will
be
losing
a
significant
number
of
these
bmr
units,
and
I
think
we
should
probably
also
highlight
that
information
for
the
general
public
to
be
aware
of.
A
C
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
governor
council,
members
and
food
georgia,
community
development.
I
think
considering
there's
some
specific
questions
from
councilmember
moore,
I
probably
just
hand
off
to
carrick
hughes
or
a
housing
manager
that
can
explain
this
a
little
bit
in
a
little
greater
detail.
Instead
of
me
actually
doing
a
presentation.
That's
okay
with
you,
mr
mayor.
C
E
This
item
went
before
the
housing
commission
on
march
10th
and
I
am
here
to
present
the
commission's
recommendation
to
select
rise,
housing
solutions
which
is
formerly
known
as
hello
housing
as
the
city's
bmr
program
administrator
and
award
a
four-year
consultant
agreement
to
serve
the
needs
of
the
city's
existing
bmr
program
consisting
of
242
units.
I
am
available
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
and
I
can
provide
the
answers
to
councilmember
moore's
question
mayor
when,
when
you'd
like.
A
E
Sure
so,
in
terms
of
the
in
terms
of
the
length
of
time
for
the
proposal,
we
did
send
out
the
rfp
or
excuse
me
the
rfq,
to
over
200
contacts,
and
we
are
pretty
familiar
with
the
agencies
that
serve
bmr
programs
in
the
santa
clara
county
and
beyond,
and
we
received
the
two
proposals
from
house
keys
and
from
rise
housing.
And
so
we
did
review
all
proposals.
We
did
not
get
any
inquiries
from
any
other
agencies,
including
agencies
that
serve
existing
programs
in
santa
clara
county.
E
We
chose
to
present
a
four-year
contract
this
evening
to
manage
the
existing
242
units,
knowing
that
approximately
67
of
the
city's
bmr
program
will
be
expiring
in
five
to
six
years
by
the
end
of
20
30.
So,
let's
say
five
to
eight
years
and
the
reason
for
that
is
that
the
program
will
change
significantly
significantly
at
that
time
due
to
the
reduction
in
units
unless
the
city
is
able
to
find
other
means
to
build
additional
bmr
units
or
to
to
preserve
the
existing
units.
E
D
Thank
you,
mayor
paul
in
the
this
is
a
question
for
kerry.
So
if
67
of
the
242
units
are
expiring,
that's
we're
losing
162.
D
Is
that
correct
and
I'm
kind
of
wondering
I'm
going
to
assume
those
are
all
rental
units
and
not
the
for
sale
units
so
could
could
that
be
clarified
a
little
bit?
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
You
that's
a
great
question:
they
are
all
rental
units
and
I
will
work
to
pull
up
the
exact
number
I
do
have
a
chart
and
it
is
in
the
housing
element
as
well
and
I'll
see.
If
I
can
quickly
get
you
the
data,
it's
all
rental
units-
and
these
are
the
inclusionary
units
that
are
built
into
the
market
rate
projects
spread
throughout
the
city.
E
So
it
will
be
it's
it's
not
a
complex
like
vista
village,
where
we
could
work
with
a
non-profit
owner
and
incentivize
them.
This
is
market
rate
development
that
was
scattered
throughout
the
city
and
they're,
coming
up
on
the
end
of
previous
regulatory
agreements
at
the
30-year
mark,
and
so
the
cities
to
anticipate
a
question.
The
city's
current
bmr
regulatory
agreements
tend
to
align
with
a
55-year
tax
credit
time
limit
or
a
99-year
preferred
city
regulatory
agreement
limit.
So
we
don't
enter
into
these
30-year
agreements
anymore,
but
this
will
be
a
big
reduction
for
the
program.
D
Through
the
mayor,
I
have
one
one
last
question,
so
the
the
request
for
rfqs
the
rfq
request
for
qualifications,
the
rfq
had
it
was
out
for
12
days,
and
maybe
this
is
a
question
for
the
for
the
manager
or
the
attorney
is
this?
Is
this
typical
because
it
does
it
just
seemed
to
me
that
was
kind
of
brief
and
for
for
other
contracts?
Is
this
a
kind
of
a
normal
time
frame
as
well?
I'm
just
in
general
curious
about
that.
A
B
Excuse
me,
thank
you
mayor.
It
does
depend
they're,
they're,
rfps
rfqs.
They
vary
on
length
of
time.
There
is
no
set
time.
I
would
maybe
ask
our
planning
director
or
cct
director
to
maybe
ask
him
if
there
was
a
reason
for
the
12
days,
but
there
has
been
I've
been
where
it's
been
10
days.
It's
been
15
days,
30
days,
it's
been
longer,
but
I
don't
know
if
ben,
if
you
had
a
anything
behind
that.
C
C
Carrie
has
done
a
significant
amount
of
sort
of
outreach
already
so
to
alert
providers
that
this
is
this
is
coming,
and
so
that
just
and
also
too
is
considering
the
timing
and
expiration
of
the
contract
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
out
there
as
quickly
as
possible
in
a
length
of
time,
it
doesn't
necessarily
get
you
any
more
quality
applicants.
So
this
is
what
we
had
decided
on
for
this
particular
one.
D
Thank
you
and
one
last
question,
since
these
are
expiring
within
five
to
eight
years.
Is
this
going
to
have
any
impact
to
our
our
housing
element
and
the
number
of
units
which
we're
trying
to
locate,
because
it
seems
to
me
that
hcd
could
argue
that
we
need
to
add
on
162,
more
bmr
units.
A
Okay,
I
see
our
city
attorney
turning
on
his
microphone
chris.
F
Yes,
so
so
that's
a
good
question.
I
think
that
the
the
arena
allocation
is
directed
at
the
production.
Production
of
new
units
and
old
units
could
be,
you
know,
could
leave
the
market
for
a
number
of
reasons
or
change
affordability
status
for
a
number
of
reasons,
and
I
I
don't
believe
that
those
are
debited
against
your
arena
allocation,
but
I
will
confirm
that.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
and
let's
go
to
our
member
of
the
public
with
the
hand
raise
that
is
peggy
griffin
and
I'll
remind
all
members
of
the
public,
whether
they're
you
know
on
on
zoom
or
calling
in
live
or
have
access
to
email.
That
you'll
need
to
indicate
that
you'd
like
to
speak
on
this
item
before
the
first
member
of
the
public
is
done
speaking.
That
would
be
peggy.
A
G
Good
evening,
council
and
staff,
I
support
the
housing
commission's
recommendation
and
I'd
like
to
again
thank
the
council
for
having
this
item
first
be
reviewed
by
the
housing
commission
if
the
city
will
lose
67
percent
of
its
bmr
rental
units
between
july
2026
and
january
2028.
G
A
H
A
Okay,
jennifer,
why
don't
you
fill
out
a
blue
card
after
your
comment
and
then
we'll
go
ahead
and
recognize
jennifer
griffin
welcome
jennifer.
I
I'm
sorry
I
had,
I
don't
know,
was
20
and
then
22-
and
this
number
is
this.
I
Confusing
anyway,
yes,
I
didn't
plan
to
speak
on
this
one,
but
I
am
appalled
I
mean
if
there's
nothing,
it's
not
the
city's
fault.
I
I
am
appalled
that
we're
losing
67
of
our
bmr
units.
I
was
around
when
the
city
started.
This
I
mean
I
that
was
the
first
thing
I
was
so
glad
when
we
annexed
into
the
city,
the
cupertino
had
the
bmr
units.
That's
why
this
is
the
problem
with
sacramento
messing
around
with
the
internals
of
cities.
I
I
I
I
would
like
to
know
how
many
apartment
complexes
these
bmr
units
are
in
whether
they
I'm
assuming
that
when
these
developments
were
put
in-
oh
god
it
you
know
this.
This
goes
back
2003.
Every
single
development
we
used
to
be
able
to
get
bmr
units.
Out
of
this
is
probably
the
cali
mill
apartment
complex.
I
forgot
verona,
veranda
or
whatever
it's
called
we
should
be.
I
guess
the
problem
is
that
we
only
negotiated
for
30
years.
In
my
mind,
we
need
to
go
to
permanent.
I
We
don't
know
what
marina
land
hcd.
They
are
out
to
get
every
city
in
this
state.
They
are
going
to
nail
us
and
ream
in
every
way
possible,
but
it's
not
our
fault
that
the
bmr
units
are
going
to
be
going
back
to.
I
guess:
whoever
owns
these
apartment
complexes,
they're
going
to
be
charging
five
hundred
or
three
thousand
dollars
market
rate
for
those
units,
and
we
are
going
to
get
reamed
by
hcd.
I
can
tell
you
right
now
that
it'll
be
front
page
news:
cupertino
is
losing
67
of
its
bmr
units
and
they're.
I
So
awful
they
don't
want
to
house
people.
Well,
I'm
sorry!
I
was
there
when
the
bmr
units
were
there
before
there
was
the
hcd
involvement.
There
was
no
yimby,
we
looked
out
for
our
people
in
our
city
and
I
don't
want
to
have
hcd
coming
back
and
slapping
it
in
our
face.
I
am
a
grown
adult
with
a
bachelor's
degree
and
I
am
not
going
to
put
up
with
this
clap
trap
anymore
from
yembi
land
and
hcd,
telling
me
that
I
am
not
smart
enough
to
live
in
my
own
city.
I
It
is
a
bunch
of
hokum,
I
don't
believe
it.
I
never
believed
it
and
I
think
hcd
needs
to
get
out
of
the
business
of
micromanaging
everything
in
every
single
city
15
seconds.
You
know
we
need
to
try
to
get
these
units
back
and
and
we
need
to
have
our
developers
step
up
and
give
us
bmr
units.
Thank
you.
A
A
J
Okay,
I
moved
to
authorize
the
city
manager
to
execute
consulting
agreement
with
rice
housing
solutions
for
bmr
program
administration,
not
to
exceed
one
point:
one
million
one
thousand
forty,
seven
thousand
two
hundred
and
six
dollars.
A
Okay
and
just
to
clarify
the
amount
was
one
million
one
hundred
and
forty
seven
thousand
two
hundred
six
dollars.
That's
correct,
yeah!
Okay!
Would
anyone
like
the
second
vice
merch
house,
I
I
saw
a
hand
raised
and
councilman
willie.
Would
you
like
to
a
second,
absolutely?
Okay,
excellent!
Does
anyone
care
for
discussion
at
this
point
prior
to
taking
a
vote
on
this
motion?
I
see
councilmember
moore
with
the
hand
raised
as
well
as
vice
mayor,
chow,
councilmember,
moore.
D
Thank
you,
mayor
paul.
I
was
just
wondering
if
there
is
any
way
that
the
city
can
negotiate
with
these
bmr
property
owners
in
order
to
have
some
continuation.
Is
there
some
way
that
the
city
can
incentivize
them
and
if
we
do
so,
what
benefit
can
can
we
have
such
as
including
these
numbers
in
our
next
arena
cycle?
The
one
the
one
we're
working
on
right
now,
yeah.
A
Councilmember
you
know
I
actually
totally
agree
with
the
sentiment
expressed
by
the
memphis
of
the
public
on
this
one.
The
one
item
I've
had
to
recuse
myself
in
in
seven
and
a
half
years
had
to
do
with
an
apartment,
complex
close
to
where
I
live.
That
was
actually
not
treating
the
bmr
units
that
still
had
under
bmr
units
allocation
as
bmr
units
because
it
was
within
500
feet
of
my
house.
A
You
know,
I
think,
the
industry's
standard
as
these
things
go
30
35
years
ago.
You
know,
however
long
it
was.
It
seemed
like
a
really
long
time
that
was
generationally
long.
It
was
a
bmr
unit.
I
you
know,
I
think,
there's
a
shifting
in
the
attitude
at
this
point.
You
know
from
what
I
know,
but
let
me
let
me
turn
this
over
to
our
staff.
A
I
mean,
I,
I
think,
if
you're
in
the
business
of
owning
these
units
you're
making
business
decisions
right,
I
mean
I
don't
know
what
kind
of
leverage
we
would
have.
A
Necessarily
at
this
point
to
jennifer
griffin,
the
member
of
the
public's
comment,
I
don't
think
we
would
get
lambasted,
because
these,
you
know
terms-
are
pretty
much
universal
throughout
the
cities,
but
I
I've
seen
a
number
of
things
happen
in
our
city,
that
you
know
don't
happen
to
other
cities,
and
you
know
I
have
various
theories
as
to
why
that
happens,
but
I
don't
think
it's
necessary
to
share
those
right
at
the
moment,
jim
chris.
B
Thank
you
mir.
I
you
know
I
can.
I
can
get
with
ben
and
his
staff
and
see
if
there's
a
discussion,
if
there's
a
possibility,
I
think
what
you
said
is
it's
coming
down
to
a
business
decision
for
the
property
owner,
but
if
there's
something
they
say
well,
if
the
city
can
do
x,
y
or
z,
we
might
consider
it.
I
mean
it.
Doesn't
it
never
hurts
to
ask
somebody
so.
B
A
Thanks,
jim,
yes,
councilman.
D
A
Right
grant
money,
and
you
know
I
would
add
to
that
displacement
you
know
so
would
either
jim
or
chris
or
or
or
anyone
on
zoom
care
to
speak
to
those
issues.
C
Yeah
we
concerned
you
reach
out
to
the
property
owners,
but
I
think
mayor
you,
you
you're
right
and
it's
it
becomes
a
business
decision.
You
know
these
property
owners
purchase
these
units
back
in
the
day,
with
a
certain
expectations
and
then
times
have
changed.
That's
why
you're
seeing
a
lot
more
99
a
year
limitations
as
opposed
to
55,
and
we
can
sort
of
reach
out
and
see
if
there's
a
desire
to
continue
participation
in
our
program
and
sort
of
what?
What
sort
of
incentives
that
we
can
provide?
C
But
you
know
is,
is
a
significant
change
in
terms
of
the
property
value
as
well
so,
but
we
can
certainly
reach
out
and
find
out.
A
Okay,
thank
you
dirk
foo
and
I
vice
mayor.
I
do
see
your
hand
raised.
I
I
do
want
a
follow
up
on
that
comment
that
I
just
made,
though,
what
do
we
do
about
the
issue
of
displaced
people
here?
What
happens
to
the
the
denizens
of
a
lot
of
these
bmr
units
and
ben
or
kerry?
If
you
want
to
speak
to
that,
I
would
imagine
that
you'd
be
the
closest
in
our
in
our
city
staff,
to
these
issues.
E
I
I
can
speak
to
that
mayor.
So,
in
terms
of
the
unit
expiration,
we
will
have
six
of
the
nine
developments
that
will
expire
by
january
of
2028,
and
there
are
staggering
expiration
dates
and
we
will
begin
the
transition
plan
a
few
years
in
advance
and
we
will
work
closely
with
our
bmr
program
administrator
to
ensure
that
our
bmr
program
participants
have
adequate
notice,
whether
they
are
longer
term
eligible
tenants
or
whether
they
are
new
tenants
moving
in
for
a
term
of
a
year
or
two
prior
to
the
expiration.
J
J
I
heard
that
there
is
a
low-income
housing
tax
credit
that
has
been
used
to
sympathize,
the
acquisition,
construction
and
the
rehabilitation
of
affordable
rental
housing,
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
applicable
to
inclusionary
rental
units,
but
I
remember
that
the
treasurer
of
california.
They
have
a
program
also
to
rehabilitate
this
kind
of
bmr
units
that's
facing
out.
F
J
yeah.
Thank.
A
You
all
right,
thank
you
for
that
that
thought
and
commentary
vice
mayor,
ciao,
council,
member
willie.
K
So
one
question:
yeah:
the
displacement
item
would
be
of
concern
to
me.
A
I
think
there
was
a
a
rental
moratorium,
I'm
not
sure
what
the
you
know.
K
I
I
thought
that
there
was
a
statewide
rent
control
item
and
if
so,
the
question
would
be
that
for
these
below
market
rate
units,
if
they
were
to
revert
back
to
so-called
market
rate,
wouldn't
they
be
subject
to
the
if
there
were
rent
control,
the
increments
that
would
be
allowed
normally
for
rent
increases,
as
opposed
to
going
from
you
know
something.
That's
a
brm
all
the
way
up
to
market
rate
in
one
in
one
increment.
A
E
F
E
A
A
Thank
you,
madam
city
clerk.
Let's
go
on
to
item
number
22..
The
subject
is
to
consider
a
master
funding
agreement
between
the
city
and
the
metropolitan
transportation
commission
and
supplement
1
to
the
master
funding
agreement,
accepting
grant
funds
awarded
to
the
city
for
updating
the
heart
of
the
city
specific
plan,
mr
city
manager,
who
do
we
have
first
off
from
staff
on
this
as
a
presentation.
A
Okay,
so
before
we
go
back
to
direct
food,
let's
go
to
councilmember
more
briefly,
councilmember
moore
you
initially
pulled
this.
Did
you
want
to
speak
to
this
before
the
staff
presentation.
C
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
and
mr
samia
engine
city
council
good
evening
ben
food
director
of
community
developments
with
me
tonight
is
erica
proveda
project
planet
on
this
particular
project.
Here,
as
you
recall,
we
brought
this
to
your
attention
a
couple
months
ago
and
most
recently
we
took
it
to
plane,
commissioner,
as
well,
to
get
additional
input.
C
Think
erica
has
a
presentation
for
you
kind
of
go
over
the
a
little
refresher
course
on
what
the
item
is
and
then
the
result,
the
permission
and
also
our
recommendation
and
we'll
have
to
answer
questions
after
that,
as
well.
So
with
that
erica.
L
All
right,
thank
you
good
evening.
Everyone,
I'm
erica
veda,
associate
planner
with
community
development
department
tonight,
I'm
here
to
present
on
a
master
funding
agreement
between
the
city
and
the
metropolitan
transportation
commission,
as
well
as
the
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
priority
development
area
planning,
grant
funds
awarded
to
the
city
or
updating
the
heart
of
the
city.
Specific
plan.
L
So
staff
presented
the
pda
planning
grant
item
to
city
council
back
in
february
and
at
that
meeting,
council
deferred
its
decision
and
requested
that
the
item
be
presented
to
planning
commission
for
its
recommendation
and
at
the
march
22nd
meeting
planning
commission
recommended
to
staff
to
accept
the
awarded
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
pda
planning
grant
funds
and
to
time
the
work
for
the
heart
of
the
city
update
to
wait
until
after
the
housing
element
update
has
been
certified.
L
The
master
funding
agreement
would
be
effective
from
fiscal
year
2021
2022
through
20
31
32,
and
will
act
as
an
umbrella
agreement
by
setting
the
main
terms
and
conditions
over
the
next
10
years,
so
that
they
do
not
have
to
be
renegotiated.
Every
time
a
grant
is
awarded
to
the
city
rather
than
execute
a
full
contract
for
each
grant
awarded
to
the
jurisdiction
during
the
agreement
period,
the
city
would
only
have
to
submit
what's
called
a
supplement
to
the
agreement.
L
Along
with
the
project,
scope
and
budget
milestones
and
as
an
example,
the
city
has
been
awarded
a
pda
planning
grant
to
update
the
harvard
city
specific
plan.
If
the
city
council
accepts
these
funds,
it
would
be
the
first
mtc
grant
awarded
to
the
city
under
the
master
funding
agreement
and
would
be
considered
supplement.
One
mtc
will
allow
the
city
until
april
30th
to
execute
the
master
funding
agreement
and
the
supplement
of
the
pda
planning
grant.
L
The
scope
of
work
complies
with
abag
and
ntc's,
grant
guidance
and
outlines
tasks
related
to
public
engagement,
community
assessment
and
policy
development
and
adopted
plan
documents
to
use
the
grant
funds.
The
specific
plan
update
must
meet
all
the
deliverables
outlined
in
the
scope
of
work,
including
all
assessments
and
analysis,
as
well
as
establishing
a
community
advisory
council
and
technical
advisory
committee.
L
And,
based
on
this
timeline,
we
would
wait
to
bring
a
consultant
authorization
or
contract
to
to
city
council
to
until
after
the
housing
element
has
been
certified
and
based
off
of
mtc's
deadline.
L
Approval
staff
would
return
to
council
in
order
to
budget
the
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
grant
revenue
in
conjunction
with
a
consultant
scope
of
work,
as
well
as
any
requested
additional
funds
and
contract.
L
Staff
is
also
recommending
that
the
city
council
consider
adopting
draft
resolution
attachment
b
to
accept
the
pda
planning
grant
funds
from
mtc
authorize
the
city
manager
to
execute
the
supplement
agreement
for
the
pda
planning
grant
and
to
direct
staff
to
present
consultant
agreement
after
the
housing
element.
Update
has
been
certified
by
hcd.
L
And
upon
authorization
from
council
city,
the
city
manager
can
execute
the
master
funding
agreement
and
pda
planning
grant
supplement
prior
to
april
30th
and
staff
will
return
to
council
following
the
hcd
certification
for
next
steps
and
we're
available
for
questions.
L
A
You
okay,
thank
you
erica
any
questions
of
the
presenter
for
the
presentation
before
we
move
this
to
comments
from
the
public.
I
see
councilmember
moore
how's,
your
hand
raised.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
So
thank
you
for
the
presentation
erica.
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
go
back
one
slide
before
the
the
the
questions
slide.
If
we
could
take
a
look
at
that,
I
just
wanted
to
read
it
again.
L
So
we
have
had
talks
with
mtc
and
based
off
of
their
grant
guidance
grants.
They
are
asking
for
grants
to
be
authorized
within
six
months
of
being
awarded.
So
technically
that
would
have
been
a
couple
months
ago.
However,
several
jurisdictions
are
running
into
this
issue
of
it's
just
taking
a
bit
more
time
to
get
to
this
point.
So
in
talking
with
mtc
and
abag,
they
are
allowing
us,
until
the
end
of
this
month,
to
authorize
the
grant.
D
Okay,
there
was
a
a
slide
that
mentioned
contract
approval.
Could
you
please
clarify
who
would
be
doing
that
contract
approval.
L
Or
is
this
contract
approval
for
for
the
master
funding
agreement
or
for
the
consultant.
D
I
think
it
was
for
the
consultant,
but
you
would
need
to
scroll
back
a
few
slides.
Okay,.
F
D
D
Okay
and
last
question
on
on
the
presentation:
the
goals:
if
we
could
look
at
the
goals
page,
it
was
kind
of
early
on.
D
L
I
do
remember
that
that
came
up
during
the
last
meeting
as
well,
and
we
did
address
that
in
the
staff
report
just
to
make
sure
that
it
was
clear
so
in
terms
of
that
grant
goal.
That
is
a
regional
grant
goal,
rather
than
a
grant
goal
for
the
city
itself.
So
all
work
for
the
grant
will
be
dependent
on
what
comes
out
of
the
assessments.
L
So
it
really
just
depends
on
what
our
assessments
say
in
terms
of
the
jobs
housing
balance
as
well
as
what
comes
out
of
the
the
public
engagement
portion
of
it.
D
Okay,
okay,
thank
you
erica,
and
so
my
next
question
is
for
the
the
city
attorney.
So
my
concern
is
that
if
we,
if
we
take
this
grant
money,
that
there
might
be
some
requirements
that
we
we
might
regret
having
agreed
to-
and
so
I
I'd
kind
of
like
to
see
actually
a
comparison
table
of
this
is
what
you
have
to
do.
D
If
you
take
their
grant
money
and
this,
this
is
what
you
have
to
do,
if
you,
if
you
decide
to
self-fund
an
update
to
the
heart
of
the
city
plan,
so
my
concern
is:
are
there
things
that
that
we
that
we're
agreeing
to
that?
We
might
not
want
and
kind
of
be
stuck
with,
and
have
you
looked
at
this
this
this
grant
and
the
requirements
in
the
in
that
light.
F
So
so
yeah,
so
you
know
we
did
take
a
look
at
the
the
grant
requirements
when
this
previously
came
towards
council.
Thank
you
mayor.
The
the
requirements
are
they're
they're,
largely
procedural,
and
there
are
significant.
You
know,
process
requirements
in
this
grant
that
we
would
have
to
comply
with
the
the
the
requirements
are
not
outcome
oriented.
F
I
I
I
would
say
that
you
know
I
think,
given
you
know
some
of
the
goals
of
the
grant
that
we
went
through.
You
know
that
there
would
be
an
expectation
that
the
city
would
take
a
serious
look
at.
You
know,
particularly
additional
housing
in
the
area
covered
by
the
grant.
I
don't
think
there
are
hard
mandates
in
the
requirements.
F
D
Okay,
and
and
through
the
mayor,
if
I
may.
D
So
it
did
look
like
there
was
the
affirmatively
furthering
fair
housing
element
also
in
in
this
kind
of
tied
into
this
grant
acceptance,
and
I'm
a
little
I'm
personally
concerned
about
that,
because
that's
so
far
for
our
housing
element
proven
somewhat
ambiguous
and
it
I
don't.
You
know
it
doesn't
seem
to
have
these
like
really
easy
to
understand,
check
boxes.
D
So
so
are
we?
If,
if
are
we
going
to
be
looking
at
the
same
somewhat
ambiguity
with
this
with
this
grant
for
affh
as
we're
seeing
with
the
housing
element
process.
F
I
think
that
there
should
be
an
expectation
that
there
will
be
significant
public
process,
including
outreach
and
and
the
type
of
affh
that
we're
looking
at
in
the
context
of
the
housing
element.
I
don't
think
it
will
be
the
same
magnitude
as
the
housing
element,
just
given
the
different
scope
of
the
projects,
but
but
it's
it
re
I
I
would
you
know
this
is
subjective
assessment,
but
I
would
say
this
requires
a
significant
amount
of
public
outreach
for
a
planning
change
of
this
scope.
J
A
I'm
not
sure
that
is
specifically
a
question
for
our
city
attorney's
office.
Perhaps
you
know
our
city
manager
or
someone
in
planning
would
be
more
appropriate
to
speak
to
that
upon
an
initial
impression,
but.
C
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
and
assistant
manager.
I
can
get
started
and
erica
can
back
me
up
here,
but
I
think
a
significant
overhaul.
The
plan
will
be
significantly
more
expensive
than
than
the
estimated
than
than
the
grant
proposal
significantly
more
because
it
will
be
a
very
major
project.
C
I
think
our
thought
on
this
originally
is
seeing
the
award
program
item
surfacing
a
few
years
ago
and
wanted
to
do
that
part
of
the
work
and
perhaps
in
conjunction
with
the
housing
element
or
not,
is
what
resulted
in
in
this
particular
proposal,
but
eric.
I
know
if
you
have
anything
you
want
to
do
out
of
that.
A
Okay-
and
you
know
again,
this
is
not.
This
is
not
time
for
commentary
just
questions
at
this
time
and
I
do
see
vice
mayor.
Councilmember
has
her
hand
raised
as
well,
but
let's
do
this,
why
don't
you
rap?
If
you
have
another
question,
ask
it
and
if
councilmember
moore
has
another
question,
go
ahead
and
ask
it
then
I'll
open
it
up
to
members
of
the
public
vice
mayor?
Do
you
have
a
follow-up
question
at
this
time.
J
L
Those
sure
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
that,
so
those
items
are
specifically
outlined
in
the
scope
of
work.
I
believe
attachment
d
and
those
range
from
different
public
engagement
efforts
to
various
analysis,
such
as
equity
analysis,
jobs,
housing
analysis
and
the
formation
of
the
tac
and
cac,
for
instance,
as
well
as
plan
adoption.
L
Sure
so
there
there
is
some
overlap
in
the
sense
of
looking
at,
for
instance,
some
community
assets
and
services
like
retail.
L
However,
it
is
a
more
expanded
scope
of
work
than
what
council
was
initially
thinking
of
in
terms
of
building
setbacks
and
landscape
modifications,
so
it
I
think
that
what
council
was
wanting
could
probably
be
wrapped
up
into
this,
but
this
grant
is
definitely
a
larger
scope
than
the
initial
work
program
item
from
a
few
years
back,
so
it's
we
would
defer
to
council
to
see
if,
if
this
work
effort
is
in
line
with
your
priorities,.
L
Right
right
exactly
so,
it
is
too
early.
I
guess
either
unfortunately,
unfortunately
to
say
exactly
what
will
be
amended,
because
the
main
purpose
of
this
grant
is
to
really
focus
on
the
assessments
so
figuring
out.
You
know
in
terms
of,
for
instance,
mobility
or
housing.
L
What
does
this
special
area
have
and
where
is
it
deficient
and
then
also
what
the
community
and
you
know,
the
cac
and
tac?
What
can
they
identify?
So
I
think
it'd
be
premature
for
staff
to
identify
exact
policies
or
programs,
or
you
know,
exact
texts
to
be
amended.
L
The
main
purpose
of
the
goal
is
really
to
increase
housing,
reduce
bmt
and
bring
it
more
in
line
with,
eventually
our
housing
element
update
and
any
amendments
to
our
general
plan.
So,
unfortunately
it
is
a
bit
fuzzy,
but
that's
just
because
we're
not
going
in
with
any
preconceived
notions
of
what
needs
to
change,
because
we
really
are
relying
on
these
assessments
and
the
community
involvement.
J
L
I
would
say
that
we,
we
do
know
the
scope
of
what
work
will
go
into
it,
but
the
outcome
of
what
exactly
that
will
look
like
that'll
really
depend
again
on
the
assessment
and
the
engagement,
so
hopefully
that
that
would
reflect
the
needs
of
the
community.
A
M
A
L
Cares,
oh
yeah
about
that
so
to
to
clarify
the
master
funding
agreement
as
well
as
the
supplement
agreement
for
this
particular
grant
would
need
to
be
authorized
by
the
end
of
the
month.
L
However,
as
noted
in
both
planning
commission's
recommendation
and
the
draft
timeline,
actual
work
on
this
effort
would
not
start
until
after
the
housing
element
update
has
been
certified
by
hcd.
So
I
believe
at
that
time,
if
council
changes
their
mind,
we
would
need
to
talk
to
mtc
to
to
notify
them
so
that
they
could
reallocate
the
money
to
a
different
jurisdiction,
but
I
think
it
would
be.
It
would
be
helpful
to
to
know
going
into
it.
If
council
does
support
this
work.
A
D
Okay.
Okay,
so
I
appreciate
erica
that
you
that
you
did
mention
that
this
would
happen
after
the
housing
element
was
certified
and
I
think
that
that's
kind
of
important,
because
we're
locating
in
selecting
sites
during
this
housing
element
sites
that
would
be
within
the
heart
of
the
city.
D
So
I
think
that's
kind
of
a
curious
situation,
because
we
have
these.
The
housing
element
sites
are
being
selected.
We
were
earlier
this
evening
talking
about
having
the
bike
lanes
along
stephens,
creek,
boulevard,
funded
down
to
de
anza,
and
then
they're
going
to
continue
further
down,
and
we
also
have
the
stevens
creek
boulevard
transportation
study
underway,
where
we
just
approved
funds
a
couple
of
months
ago
for
a
study
all
the
way
to
to
foothill.
D
So
I
would
want
to
see
all
all
of
three
of
these
items:
kind
of
be
integrated
together.
So
is
there
some
assurance
that
we
have
that
that
the
transportation
study
isn't
going
off
in
another
direction,
different
from
this
heart
of
the
city
plan
that?
Because
we
don't,
we
don't
want
to
have
these
projects
at
odds
with
one
another.
So
I'm
just
curious
how
these
are
all
gonna
work
together.
L
Right
and
that's
how
we
would
see
it
too,
is
all
these
different
efforts
throughout
the
city
and
different
departments
working
cohesively
to
within
each
other,
to
really
create
a
heart
of
the
city.
That
is
consistent.
So,
for
instance,
one
of
the
assessments
that
we
will
be
looking
at
is
the
mobility
assessment.
So
we
will
be
taking
that
information
that
our
transportation
team
is
working
on
and
incorporating
it
into
heart
of
the
city
to
see
where
it
makes
sense.
A
Okay,
great
I'm
gonna
stop
this
right
now
with
regard
to
questions,
because
this
can
kind
of
go
on
and
on
and
on
so,
and
you
know
we're
kind
of
a
little
bit
late
right
now
to
be
where
we're
at
so
so.
Let's,
let's
go
ahead
and
take
this
are
members
of
the
public.
I
have
two
hands
raised
from
the
public
on
zoom
function.
Those
are
from
lisa
warren
and
peggy
griffin.
A
I
have
two
blue
cards:
that's
jennifer
griffin
and
gene
bedord,
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
let
our
members
of
the
public
know
that
you'll
need
to
have
your
hand
raised
in
the
zoom
function
or
on
your
phone.
That
is
star
9
on
your
phone
or
your
blue
card
in
by
time
that
the
first
speaker,
which
will
be
lisa
warren,
is
concluded
speaking
and
so
welcome
lisa.
This
is
item
number
22.
You'll
have
three
minutes.
N
Thank
you,
okay.
So
the
fact
that
this
is
is
been
referred
to
as
fuzzy
more
than
once
is
a
red
flag
to
me.
I
I
feel
like
tonight,
there's
been
maybe
more
better
questions,
different
questions
that
have
been
asked
in
the
past.
So
certainly
this
was
not
wise
to
be
a
consent
item,
in
my
opinion,
and
it
seems
like
the
more
details
that
you
get
and-
and
I
feel
like
planning
commissioning-
was
lacking
some
of
this
information
that
they
should
have
had
when
they
made
their
decision
or
recommendation.
N
If
there
has
to
be
more
hoops,
we
jump
through
just
like
the
housing
element
that
no
one's
even
figured
that
out
as
council
member
moore's
hinted
at
I.
I
don't
know
how
you
can
even
judge
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
to
do
what
you're
required
to
do
and
whether
that
outspends,
the
400
000
you're,
going
to
get
it.
It
just
doesn't
seem
like
a
good
idea
and
I'm
guessing
that
there
will
be
other
opportunities
in
the
future
when
you're
really
ready
for
money.
That
may
be
worth
looking
at
and
applying
for.
N
N
N
N
G
Council
and
staff-
I
second
everything
lisa
warren
has
said.
I
have
serious
concerns
about
this,
specifically
the
staff
in
the
staff
report.
It
states
that
they
will
have
asked
mtc
whether
it's
allowable
to
wait
until
the
housing
element
is
certified
to
even
begin
did
they
ask
and
did
they
get
a
direct
answer?
G
Also
this
is
a
significant
work
item,
as
vice
mayor
chow
brings
up
and
it
will
bump
other
higher
priority
work
items.
The
initial
housing
part
of
the
city
work
item
was
minor,
but
this
will
bump
lots
of
items
out
because
of
the
deadline.
G
G
A
A
Blue
cards?
Okay,
so
our
public
speaker
is
jennifer
griffin,
followed
by
gene
mcdourd
from
the
public
jennifer
welcome,
or
I
should
say
our
live
public
speaker
so
welcome.
I
Our
zoom
public
speaker
hi,
I'm
jennifer
griffin
and
this
item
to
me.
It's
like
the
poison
apple
in
what
sleeping
beauty
or
snow
white
that
the
witch
gives
snow
white.
Don't
take
it
don't
bite
it.
I
I
We
don't
need
technical
advisory
committees
and
I
don't
know
what
a
cac
is
a
community
advisor.
We
don't
need
those
to
tell
us
about
heart
of
the
city,
we're
going
to
have
people
imported
from
other
cities
telling
us
you
have
to
dump
part
of
the
city.
You
have
to
cut
your
ash
trees
down.
You
have
to
put
in
housing
on
the
sidewalk
two-story
adus
on
the
sidewalk.
I
That
is
what
it's
all
about.
People
hate
our
heart
of
the
city,
not
people
in
cupertino,
but
other
cities
hate
it
evidently
sacramento
hates
it
too.
I
I
you
know,
I'm
sorry.
We
already
have
the
drama
of
sb9.
The
drama
of
sb10
adu
is
being
built
in
pg
e
clearances.
We
have
a
bill,
that's
going
to
have
two
story:
adus,
we
have
a
bill
that
will
allow
any
adu
to
be
on
a
front
lawn
four
feet
from
a
property
line.
Every
street
tree
in
the
city
will
be
cut
down.
Yes,
that's
true,
there
is
a.
I
There
is
a
bill.
We
have
the
hell
of
the
housing
element,
it
is
pure
hell,
it
is
taking
up
our
time.
It's
eating
up
our
money
and
it's
happening
to
every
other
city
in
the
state
we
have.
No,
we
have
no.
I
I
You
know
and
I'm
sorry
I
am
a
woman
who
cannot
ride
a
bicycle
and
I
have
to
drive
around
parents
that
are
elderly.
You
can't
get
me
on
a
bike
and
you
ain't
getting
me
on
a
bike,
so
I
really
resent
the
part
where
they're
saying
they
have
to
make
everyone
in
the
city
ride
a
bike
get
it.
I
don't
ride
bikes.
I
O
O
You
do
have
an
email
in
your
inbox
with
a
number
of
reasons
for
approving
this
grant,
including
the
fact
that
you
really
need
to
appease
hcd
right
now.
You
have
a
target
on
your
back,
keep
in
mind
that
this
is
a
competitive
application.
O
It
is
for
reimbursable
expenses.
You
are
not
required.
However.
Let
me
point
out
as
a
resident
that
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
is
a
significant
amount
of
money
from
the
general
fund
and
so
you're
going
to
spend
probably
well
over
a
million
on
this
type
of
work
like
it
or
not,
and
so
the
question
becomes
whose
pocket
does
it
come
out
of?
O
It's
reimbursable.
There
are
relatively
few
requirements,
as
your
city
attorney
has
said,
it's
more
procedural.
If,
by
some
chance
you
don't
spend
that
much
money
on
revising
the
specific
plan,
then
you
don't
apply
for
the
funds.
Otherwise,
I'd
like
that
money
to
reimburse
the
general
fund.
Thank
you.
A
D
It
says
under
recommended
potential
policies
and
investments
based
on
based
on
any
inequities
identified
in
the
equity
assessment
and
challenges
identified
in
this
housing
assessment,
create
a
short
list
of
potential
policies
for
further
investigation
and
potential
inclusion
in
the
specific
plan.
So
I'm
going
to
highlight
a
couple
under
protection.
They
mention
rent
stabilization,
condominium
conversion,
ordinance,
foreclosure
mitigation
under
production.
They
mention
having
density,
bonus
above
state
law,
elimination
of
parking
minimums,
increased
density
through
objective
development
standards
and
then
under
funding.
D
D
Provide
these
policies
and
and
and
funding,
and
am
I
understanding
that
correctly.
F
So
yeah,
no,
I
I
think
that's
consistent
with
my
my
earlier
comment
is
that
there's
doubt
there
will
be
an
expectation
that
there's
you
know
serious
consideration
of
of
policies
of
these
type
of
policies.
You
know
I
think
these
are
are.
These
are
not
a
consideration
of
every
one
of
these
policies
and
it's
definitely
framed
in
terms
of
you
know:
potential
consideration
again.
F
You
know
it
it
it's
it's
framed
in
procedural
terms,
rather
than
saying
that
the
city
must
adopt
these
policies,
and
you
can
contrast
that
to
the
housing
element
process,
where
you
know,
there's
there
there's
a
menu
of
policies,
but
there's
an
expectation
that
you
adopt.
F
Some
of
them
to
you
know,
encourage
sufficient
production
of
housing.
I
I
don't
see
that
kind
of
mandatory
language
you
know
in
this
section
and
but
but
but
that,
but
but
there,
as
you
know
I
mentioned
earlier,
I
think
there
will
be
an
expectation
that
that
that
some
subset
of
these
policies
get
serious
consideration
by
the
city.
I
think
the
decision
as
to
whether
pursue
specific
policy
remains
in
city
council's
hands,
and
I
don't
see
anything
you
know
in
these
criteria.
In
general,
and
in
that
specific
passage
that
you
quoted,
that
would
change
that.
D
Also
through
the
mayor,
one
issue
I
do
take
with
us
is
that
this
would
be
one
particular
strip
of
the
city
this
this
pda,
heart
of
the
city,
which
would
have
a
set
of
rules
and
requirements
that
the
rest
of
the
city
would
not
have
to
follow,
and-
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
understand
that
that
we're
setting
a
special
we
would
be
setting
a
special
set
of
rules
for
this
one
part
and
and
there,
when
you
talk
about
equity,
that's
it
it's
interesting
that
that
this
would
actually
be
taking
the
based
on
any
inequities
that
would
inequitably
be
making
requirements
for
this
pda.
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
moore.
I
I
don't
see
emotion
on
the
table
at
this
point,
so
I
I
will
go
ahead
and
ask
for
one
in
order
for
us
to
continue
the
discussion
vice
mayor.
Do
you
want
to
bring
forward
a
motion?
You
don't
seem
to
be
willing
council,
member,
okay,
council.
Member
way
did
you
want
to
bring
forward
a
motion?
Yes,.
M
I
I
move.
We
approve
the
planning
commission's
recommendations.
M
Yes,
the
recommended
action:
okay
per
planning,
commission's
recommendation.
M
A
Planning
commission
had
identified
one
thing
that
the
staff
was
recommending
against,
which
I
think
was
to
bring
it
back
after
the
sixth
cycle
housing,
although
I'm
not
sure
is
that
if
anybody
want
from
staff
wants
to
speak
to
that
is,
is
staff
essentially
recommending
the
planning
commission's
recommendations?
I
think
so?
Okay,
no,
that
was
directed
at
staff.
Nut,
can
come
from.
Where
can.
M
Staff
come
from
erica.
L
Sure,
yes,
so
yes,
so
staff's
recommendation
is
consistent
with
planning
commissions.
In
terms
of
timing,
however,
we
are
also
recommending
a
little
bit
more
specific,
such
as
the
master
funding
agreement.
So
we
do
have
two
recommended
actions.
As
stated
in
the
staff
report,.
A
Well,
even
for
discussion
purposes,
I'll
go
ahead
and
well,
you
know
seeing
no
second
for
this
motion,
then
I
think
that
we
can,
you
know,
essentially
you
know,
move
on
from
it
unless
there
is
another
motion
that
anyone
wants
to
bring
with
regard
to
this
item.
A
Okay,
vice
mayor,
you
want
to
make
a
comment:
okay,
a
brief
comment,
since
there's
no
motion
to
deliberate
upon
at
this
time.
J
So
my
understanding
is,
I
think,
I'm
going
to
draw
here.
We
are
doing
a
lot
of
outreach
now,
for
can
I
draw.
J
J
J
J
A
lot
of
outreach
for
housing
element
and
then
we
are
planning
to,
for
example,
consider
on
potential
setback
and
other
things
that
could
potentially
reduce
density.
So
we
have
to
consider
those
together
with
the
housing
element,
because
this
is
when
we
are
up
zoning
some
site,
and
they
are
therefore
we.
J
Now
we
were
only
just
going
to
amend
the
heart
of
the
city
for
a
few
things
set
back,
not
a
lot,
but
with
this
mtc
grant,
it
will
require
us
to
to
do
a
lot
more
stuff
that
we
were
not
planning
to
do,
but
then
we
would
be
required
to
do
that
to
do
that,
not
only
the
money.
We
will
need
a
lot
of
staff
time
council
time
in
order
to
implement
something
we
didn't
plan
to
do
so
yeah.
J
It
seems
like
free
money,
it's
not
free;
it
will
cost
us
a
lot
of
staff,
time
and
council
time
for
doing
something.
We
are
not
planning
to
do
and
this
little
thing
that
we
are,
we
really
want
to
do-
should
have
done
together
with
the
housing
element
this
year.
So
let's
just
get
that
integrated
with
the
housing
element
this
year
to
get
it
done.
That's
my
point.
Okay,.
A
Well,
thank
you
for
the
comment
and
councilmember
wooly.
Did
you
want
to
make
a
brief
comment
before
moving
on
to
the
next
item.
K
K
K
So
at
this
point
I
I
think
it's
better
to
make
sure
that
we're
the
ones
driving
the
boat.
K
Yes,
we've
got
a
target
on
our
back,
but
still
we
have
a
duty
to
be
representing
the
residents,
the
community
that
put
us
here,
that's
our
duty
and
it
can't
be
shortchanged
because
a
bad
actor
from
from
everybody's
perception
pretty
much.
The
bad
actor
is
offering
us
to
offering
to
give
us
some
money
which
may
move
things
in
the
wrong
direction.
A
Okay,
I
see
councilmember
way
with
the
hand
raise.
I
I'm
not
going
to
entertain
endless
discussion
at
this
point
because
we
don't
have
a
motion
on
the
table,
so
let's
go
ahead
and
wrap
this
council
member
way.
If
you
want
to
make
a
very
brief
comment.
A
M
M
Why
we're
not
taking
the
money
and
do
it
with
the
housing
elements
and
get
ring
burst
for
400
000,
and
that
was
the
staff's
first
recommendation
when
we
heard
this
last
council
meeting,
so
I
don't
think
empty
like,
like
our
attorney
says
it's
procedural
that
we're
already
doing
and
the
outcome
is
not
controlled
by
and
mtc.
So
I
I
I'm
just
a
little
baffled.
Why
we're
not
using
that
our
housing
element
and
get
reimbursed,
but
it's
not
often
just
my
comment.
A
Okay,
well,
thank
you
very
much
councilman
way
and
vice
mayor
I'm
not
going
to
open
this
back
up
to.
You
know
further
discussion
because
you
know,
frankly,
there's
no
emotion
on
the
table.
If
you
want
to
put
a
motion
on
the
table,
fine,
but
otherwise
I
would
just
go
ahead
and
you
know
close
this
item
and
then
move
on
to
item
number
23..
A
You
still
have
your
hand
raised.
I
I
I
very
very
brief
comment.
This
is
not
an
endless
discussion
on
something
this.
J
Grant
was
approved
april
2021
if
it
was
brought
to
the
council
at
that
time.
I
think
it
would
be
different
and
right
now
this
requires
a
technical
advisory
committee
on
community
advisory
committee.
Those
are
things
that
we're
not
planning
to
do,
and
we
don't
have
time
to
do
right
now,
even
when
it's
combined-
and
this
is
just
the
wrong
timing,
if
it
had
been
a
year
earlier
on.
That
would
be
great,
also
yeah.
So
just.
A
Okay,
well,
let's
go
on
and
we
are
at
10
39
right
now,
let's
reconvene
at
10
45,
oh
and
we'll
start
with
item
number
23.
When
we
come
back.
A
All
right
welcome
back
everyone
we're
on
item
number
23,
and
this
is
actually
an
item
that
I
pulled
from
the
agenda
from
the
consent
calendar.
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
little
bit
of
context
to
it.
I
will
be
attending
the
united
states
conference
of
mayors
from
june
3rd
through
june
6..
I
think
it's
been
a
while
since
cupertino
mayor
attended,
and
so
I
wanted
to
give
our
council
an
opportunity
to
communicate
through
this.
A
You
know
vehicle
with
our
other
mayors
from
across
country
that
are
attending
they.
They
have
in
this
conference
the
ability
to
share
resolutions.
These
are
non-binding.
Of
course,
I
mean
there,
there's
there's
no
legislative
authority
in
the
united
states.
Conference
of
mayors
is
just
a
separate
non-profit
organization,
mainly
for
the
ability
to
communicate
with
other
jurisdictions
across
country.
So
what
they
do
have,
however,
is
a
set
of
resolutions
that
they
do
consider
as
a
group.
A
Again,
non-binding
I'll
share
with
you,
the
yeah
I'll
share
with
you,
the
last
meetings,
information
which
I'll
go
ahead
and
email
the
link
to
the
city
clerk
as
well,
so
that's
available
for
people
who
want
to
reference
it
after
this
meeting.
So
this
is
the
website
for
the
united
states
conference
of
mayors,
the
adopted
resolutions
from
the
89th
annual
meeting,
which
was
virtual
in
2021
and
and
there
are
various
committees
that
you
know,
resolutions
get
assigned
to.
A
So
you
see
at
the
top
here:
children,
health
and
human
services,
all
the
way
down
to
transportation
and
communications,
and,
for
example,
if
you
wanted
to
choose
energy
for
instance,
and
you
conducted
a
search,
it
would
basically
give
you
the
various
resolutions
so
supporting
a
clean
energy
transition
by
2035.
A
For
instance,
you'll
see
a
number
of
recitals
of
the,
whereas
is
and
now
therefore
be
resolved,
and
so
you
know
essentially
what
I'm
suggesting
is
that
our
council
have,
until
this
friday
or
whenever
I
was
indicating
it
in
the
recommended
action.
A
It
would
be
until
yeah,
this
friday
april
22nd
to
send
in
proposed
resolutions,
and
I
would
suggest
either
city
manager,
jim
troop
or
perhaps
katie
nomura,
our
deputy.
You
know
city
manager
to
receive
those
proposed
resolutions
and
then
we
could
come
back
at
our
may
3rd
council
meeting
once
those
have
been.
A
You
know
published
to
the
public
for
evaluation
just
to
see
what
we're
you
know
looking
to
set
forth
and
then
you
know
perhaps
pick
and
choose
among
that
group,
and
you
know
if
there
seems
to
be
you
know
decent
consensus,
maybe
put
that
on
the
consent
calendar
as
well.
So
that's
what
I'd
like
to
you
know
propose
that
we
send
either
to
katie
or
jim
our
proposed
resolutions
by
the
end
of
this
week
and
councilman
moore,
you
have
a
question.
D
Yeah,
yes,
mayor
paul,
could
you
pull
up
the
89th?
The
screen
share
that
you
just
did
and
if
you
would
just
quickly
go
to
the
environment,
tab
and-
and
I'm
just
curious,
if
there's
anything
on
plastics.
Anything
like
that
in
there.
A
Okay,
oh
support
plastic
pollution
reduction,
yes
yeah,
so
so
yes,
there
was
this
resolution
here
and
I
think
it
it
probably
did
pass.
So
just
there's
another
point
of
you
know
information.
I
think
they
actually
also
had
a
little
bit
more
granularity.
A
So
you'll
note
here
says
that
in
2016
they
adopted
a
rule
where,
if
you
had
a
no
vote
on
a
specific
resolution
that
would
be
also
recorded
so
there's
a
link
to
see
who
recorded
no
votes.
You
know
for
the
for
the
prior
meetings.
You
know
proposed
resolutions,
so
council,
member
away,
yes,.
M
Thank
you,
mayor
paul.
I
have
two
questions.
The
first
one
is:
do
we
just
propose
topics
or
because
I
really
don't
know
how
to
write
it.
Full
resolution.
A
I
I
would
I
under
under
this.
I
would
ask
that
a
full
resolution
be
set
forth
and
even
if
it's
you
know
a
couple
of
recitals-
and
you
know
maybe
we
can
word
smith
at
a
bit.
M
A
You
know
actually
under
this
process
and
again
this
is
us
going
back
into
this
conference
after
I
think
at
least
a
several
year
hiatus.
If
we,
if
we
go
in
a
little
bit
earlier
in
the
process,
you
can
get
other
mayors
signing
on
you
know
or
other
people
attending
signing
on.
A
We
actually
have
a
deadline
of
may
4th,
which
is
the
day
after
our
next
council
meeting,
and
so
I
I
think
you
know,
let's
kind
of
you
know
so
to
speak,
get
our
feet
wet
dip
our
toe
back
in
the
water
in
the
in
this
process
and
and
then
see
what
happens
in
in
future.
You
know
future
years
would
be
my
suggestion.
M
Yes,
do
you
want
us
to
propose
one
two?
Three,
you
don't
want
us
to
propose
a
whole
bunch
of
it.
Oh.
A
You
know
actually
I'm
not
setting
a
limit,
and
my
expectation
was
maybe
a
handful
at
the
most
would
would
come
in.
But
if
you
have
you
know,
these
are
basically
discussion,
points
councilmember
way,
and
so
you
know
things
that
we'd
like
to
set
forth.
As
you
know,
you
know
agreeable
to
you
know
I
think
you
know
put
in
as
stated
principles
in
a
in
a
national
conference
from
our
other
jurisdictions.
A
One
thing
I
will
say
is
that
this
group
does
tend
to
have
some
pretty
good
poll,
as
you
would
imagine
on
a
national
level,
and
so
I
participated
in
a
zoom
meeting
that
they
had
last
week
with
regard
to
funding
for
for
for
clean
energy,
and
so
they
actually
had
key
representatives
from
both
the
federal
department
of
transportation
and
the
department
of
energy.
A
So
I
I
think
this
is
just
you
know
really
good
opportunity
for
us
to
go
out
there
and
interface
with
you
know:
people
making
you
know
federal
level
decisions,
but
also
you
know,
cities
from
all
across
the
country.
Thank
you
sure
any
other
questions
on
this.
I
don't
see,
hands
raised
and
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
ask
for
any
members
of
the
public
that,
like
to
speak
on
the
item,
to
raise
their
hands.
I
see.
A
Okay,
I
see
a
blue
card
from
jennifer
griffin
and
so
jennifer
did
you
want
to
speak
on
this
item?
Item
number
23
and
you
know,
oh,
you
were
mixing
up
the
numbers:
okay,
fair
enough
thanks
thanks
jennifer,
and
so
madam
city
clerk
did
we
happen
to
have
any
emails
that
came
in
with
regard
to
this
item.
Number
23.,
no.
H
A
A
A
P
P
P
Staff
will
regularly
report
to
the
audit
committee
on
the
implementation
status
and
the
implementation
plan,
and
any
status
reports
will
be
available
on
the
city's
website
at
cupertino.org
budget
under
internal
audit.
At
this
time,
I'll
introduce
colleen
rozillis
a
partner
at
moss
adams
to
present
the
procurement
operational
review.
Q
Q
Sorry,
our
our
number
one
risk
as
a
result
of
the
enterprise
risk
assessment,
was
procurement
and
contract
management,
and
so
we
conducted
this
procurement.
Operational
review
to
focus
on
improving
the
procurement
function
is
efficiency
and
effectiveness.
Looking
at
procurement
processes
also
looking
at
procurement
principles,
so
things
like
equity
ethics,
fair
competition,
quality
and
sustainability.
Q
Overall,
we
found
that
the
city
was
performing
well
in
terms
of
procurement,
with
some
pretty
significant
opportunities
for
improvement
and
how
procurement
is
structured
and
processes,
particularly
in
terms
of
documenting
those
processes
and
communicating
those
out
to
staff
as
a
result
of
the
city's
procurement
model.
Q
The
success
of
the
city's
procurement
model
is
really
hinging
on
some
very
significantly
dedicated
staff,
really
some
very
careful
collaborative
efforts
among
city
staff,
particularly
in
finance,
who
work
hard
to
make
sure
that
the
current
procurement
processes
work
for
the
city
and
that
staff
communicate
as
much
as
they
do.
Our
primary
recommendation
and
finding
here
is
that
the
city
operates
under
a
highly
decentralized
model,
with
a
pretty
limited,
centralized
oversight
of
procurement.
Q
That
is
a
very
common
model
in
smaller
cities,
with
less
complex
operations
as
cupertino
has
grown
and
gotten
more
complex,
that's
also
gotten
more
complex
and
challenging
for
the
city,
and
that
has
pretty
significantly
increased
the
risks
for
the
city.
Q
It's
also
impacted
the
city's
ability
to
to
do
some
things
like
have
oversight
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
we
can
control
standardized
procurement
processes,
making
sure
that
we
can
have
enhanced
cooperation
between
city
departments
that
we
can
reduce
duplicate
purchases,
that
we
can
have
shared
specialized
knowledge
among
procurement
staff,
particularly
for
really
complex
purchases
and
contract
management
change,
orders.
Things
like
that,
and
also
taking
advantage
of
economies
of
scale
and
cooperative
purchasing
with
other
agencies
that
ultimately
saves
the
city
money.
Q
So
we
would
recommend
that
the
city
does
look
at
a
different
procurement
model,
some
increased
level
of
centralization
central,
more
centralized
oversight
that
can
help
the
city
to
leverage
its
purchasing
power
and
maximize
value,
reduced
risks
and
increased
controls.
We'd
like
this
city,
to
take
a
look
at
other
models
of
staffing,
other
models
of
procurement,
governance
and
also
other
models
of
technology,
to
just
make
sure
that
we
can
be
as
efficient
as
effective
and
effective
as
possible
in
terms
of
delivering
procurement
services
across
the
city.
Q
After
we've
evaluated
the
current
model,
then
there
are
a
number
of
other
recommendations
that
we
have.
That
includes
streamlining
processes
and
clarifying
policies
and
procedures,
roles
and
responsibilities,
ensuring
those
policies
and
procedures
are
updated
and
that
staff
are
regularly
trained
on
them.
That
self-service
training
is
available.
Q
Those
are
really
important
because
if
we
don't
have
those
policies
and
procedures
updated,
we
can't
hold
staff
accountable
to
them
and
that
they're
aligned
with
city's
priorities
and
values.
So,
for
example,
procurement
is
an
area
where
council
members
often
have
a
really
a
high
level
of
interest
in
terms
of
aligning
procurement
with
values
with
our
priorities,
so
things
like
we
might
want
to
have
local
government
incentives
for
buying
local.
Q
We
might
want
to
have
incentives
for
small
businesses
in
the
community
to
be
able
to
do
business,
but
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
our
procurement
laws
and
processes
align
with
that,
and
so
those
are
things
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
are
updated
on
a
regular
basis
and
that
we
have
that
oversight
same
thing
with
procurement
thresholds
and
then,
finally,
within
our
recommendations
to
mitigate
risk
and
when
we
have
a
really
highly
decentralized
process,
we've
got
individuals
in
departments
who
don't
have
any
backup.
Q
We
have
quite
a
few
people
who
wear
a
lot
of
hats.
Who've
been
doing
procurement
for
a
long
time,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
cross-training
staff
we're
identifying
backups
so
that
we
are
making
sure
that
we
have
those
appropriate
controls
and
that
we're
also
being
as
effective
as
possible
in
terms
of
mitigating
that
risk
of
having
just
one
person
who
has
all
of
that
intellectual
knowledge
and
institutional
knowledge
for
procurement
across
the
city.
So
with
that,
I
will
conclude
my
presentation
and
let
you
all
ask
questions.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
colleen
and
good
to
talk
to
you
again.
We
had
a
great
conversation
a
few
weeks
ago,
and
so
let
me
go
ahead
and
ask
our
members
of
the
public.
If
there's
anybody
that
would
like
to
make
a
comment
on
this
presentation
at
this
time.
So
I
I
don't
see
any
members
of
the
public
with
their
hands
raised.
Oh
peggy,
griffin,
peggy
griffin,
has
a
hand
raised
in
the
zoom
function
and
same
with
any
members
of
the
public
that
are
live
here.
A
G
Good
evening,
council
and
staff,
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation
I
had
some
questions
once
I
apologize
that
I
haven't
read
the
report
in
detail,
but
you
mentioned
like
changes
in
examples
of
recommendations
and
one
was
change
in
structure.
G
A
A
A
The
recommendation
is
consider
accepting
the
procurement
operational
review
final
report,
and
so
would
anyone
like
to
move
that
in
the
form
of
moving
to
accept
the
procurement
operational
review.
A
Oh
before
we
go
to
a
motion
sure
let's
go
ahead
and
ask
questions
of
either
staff
or
our
outside
consultant
for
mos
adams,
councilman
moore.
D
Okay,
thank
you
kirsten.
I
do
believe
I
did
send
a
an
email
regarding
this
item.
I
hope
I
got
the
the
number
correct
on
it
regarding
item
25.
D
It
had
three
attachments
and
I
just
sent
it
so
I'm
curious
there.
There
were
some
comparisons
with
some
other
cities
at
the
at
the
end
of
this
report,
and
I
would
like
to
if
it
could
be
summarized
what
the
difference
is.
I
I
would
appreciate
that
and
I'll
just
start
with
with
that
question
and
then
and
then
I
have
a
couple
of
a
couple
of
other
questions
and
hopefully
that
the
the
email
I
sent
in
gets
into
the
public
record.
A
Okay,
well,
thank
you
very
much,
councilman
moore.
I
think
this
is
probably
a
question
for
colleen.
I
think
you're,
probably
referring
to
appendix
d
of
the
report,
where
it
references
pure
benchmarking,
and
it
looks
like
the
cities
where
sunnyvale
mapidas,
los
altos
and
gilroy
colleen.
Did
you
want
to
speak
to
this
in
terms
of
the
question
from
councilman
moore.
Q
Sure
I'd
be
happy
to
so
we
did
do
peer
benchmarking.
We
worked
with
the
city
to
identify
peers
and
then
we
added
campbell
after
the
audit
committee
meeting
at
the
request
of
council
member
moore.
So
the
results
of
this
benchmarking
showed
that
you
know
essentially,
cities
that
are
larger
than
you
tend
to
have
a
centralized
or
hybrid
procurement
model
cities
that
are
smaller
than
you
tend
to
be
decentralized.
Q
Q
This
was
to
provide
the
city
with
just
some
additional
information
as
they're,
considering
what
the
level
of
staffing
might
look
like
if
they
were
to
gather
purchasing
ftes
in
a
centralized
or
hybrid
environment,
as
well
as
what
those
policies
and
and
other
thresholds
looked
like
in
other
cities.
So
it
informed
our
analysis
in
terms
of
what
the
the
model
that
we
recommended
in
terms
of
moving
towards
centralized
or
hybrid,
and
we
just
wanted
to
present
you
with
the
the
most
information
that
we
have.
D
Yes,
thank
you.
So
I
I
don't
know
if
this
was
within
your
report,
but
I
was
wondering
if,
if,
if
you
have
a
recommendation,
that
all
contracts
must
be
in
writing
because
we
do
have-
and
that
was
what
was
in
the
attachments
which
I
sent
to
the
city
was
an
indication
that
we
have
some
verbal
contracts.
And
so
I
that
that's
the
first
item
that
I
have
a
question
about
is
there?
D
So
are
you
recommending
that
there's
a
requirement
that
that
we
have
contracts
always
in
writing,
or
is
that
not
an
area
that
leaves
us
open
to
fraud,
waste
and
abuse.
Q
D
Okay,
so
the
next
one
is,
I
would.
I
found
a
contract
example
which
didn't
exactly
have
a
nexus
with
council
direction,
and
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
that
a
staff
member
had
had
a
contract
drawn
up
and
within
the
contract
it
actually
had
had
a
paragraph
stating
that
they
would
go
to
city
council
to
have
approval
of
of
the
project
that
they
were
working
on
and
then
continue
on
and,
and
it
kind
of
looked
like
it
was,
was
missing
the
council
direction
element.
Q
Without
seeing
it
in
front
of
me
without
knowing
what
the,
what
the
threshold
is,
whether
it
was
above
or
below
your
your
approval
threshold,
I
can't
say
for
sure
what
we
do
want
to
see
is
that
your
policies
and
procedures
are
in
alignment,
that
everyone
is
well
trained
on
them,
that
everyone
has
regular
refresher
training
and
is
well
aware.
That's
one
of
the
risks
in
a
highly
decentralized
environment,
and
you
know
we
do
know
that
that
we
heard
from
staff
that
we
have
you
know.
Q
Old
policies
are
really
easy
to
be
passed
around
in
this
environment
when
we
don't
have
one
person
or
you
know,
kind
of
centralized
oversight.
And-
and
so
I
would
say
that
you
know
it's
not
uncommon-
that
things
can
slip
through
the
cracks
in
that
regard,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
those
things
are
buttoned
up
and
that's
why
internal
controls
exist.
D
Q
We
certainly
can
program
that
into
future
audit
plans.
Yes,
okay,
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
councilman
moore
and
colleen
and
colleen
with
regard
to
the
decentralized
versus
centralized
versus
hybrid,
would
you
say
that
the
centralized
system
is
is
easier
to
audit.
Q
You
know,
I
think
it
would
be
easier
to
audit.
It
depends
on
what
your
records
are
like.
So
that's,
probably
the
the
number
one
thing
is
whether
your
records
are
are
kept
in
good
shape,
and
so
so
that's
the
technology
and
the
systems
that
you
use.
That's
important
and,
and
then
probably
you
know
in
terms
of
ease
of
audit,
then
it's
communication
and
collaboration
with
you
all
which
your
staff
did
have
very
good
communication
and
collaboration.
Q
So
I
so.
I
would
think
that
you
know
from
an
audit
and
testing
perspective
that
part's
great.
A
Great
and
in
our
conversation
I
wanted
to
share
this
with
the
public.
You
had
mentioned
a
procurement
officer,
which
is
a
position
that
could
be
really
very
useful
in
terms
of
trying
to
get
us
a
more
objective
opinion.
I
guess,
from
the
perspective
of
the
public,
for
something
like
construction
contracts.
Can
you
elaborate
a
bit
on
that
particular
topic.
Q
There
are
public
associations
for
procurement
officers,
it
absolutely
is
a
profession
and
a
body
that
is
specialized
knowledge
and
so
for
things
like
negotiating
construction
contracts,
making
sure
that
the
city
is
getting
the
best
deals
right
when
we
think,
for
example,
of
all
of
the
money
that's
coming
in
through
federal
and
state
infrastructure
dollars
and
being
prepared
from
both
a
capital
programming
and
a
procurement
perspective
to
actually
be
able
to
spend
those
dollars.
A
Okay,
great
thanks,
colleen
and
then
my
final
question.
Let
me
follow
up
on
the
inquiry
from
the
member
of
the
public
who
asked
what
are
our
next
steps
here
and
you
know
realizing
within
the
staff
report.
There
is
kind
of
an
identification
of
no
fiscal
impact.
But
of
course
you
know,
the
report
that
we're
looking
to
approve
are
being
asked
to
prove
tonight
actually
has
quite
a
few
far-ranging
follow-up
items.
A
That
would
you
know,
take
time
and
money
frankly,
and
so
when,
when
you
look
at
it
from
the
perspective
of
the
entity
generating
the
report,
what
do
you
see
as
perhaps
the
next
two
or
three
major
steps
that
we're
looking
at
as
a
jurisdiction
so
that
we
have
a
kind
of
a
clear
direction
going
forward?
If
we
approve
this
as
a
final
report
this
evening.
Q
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question,
so
what
our
clients
typically
do
is
city
council
accepts
our
report
and
directs
staff
to
develop
an
implementation
plan
and
we
have
10
recommendations
in
our
report.
Our
primary
recommendation
is
to
evaluate
the
staffing
model
and
the
city's
entire
model
for
procurement
and
to
consider
looking
at
a
framework
that
looks
at
a
more
centralized
or
hybrid
approach,
so
that
would
be
taking
an
assessment
of
whether
you
want
to
add
an
fte
or
whether
you
want
to
assess
based
on
staff
that
are
in
departments.
Q
Most
of
them
are
partially
dedicated
to
procurement,
whether
you
can
take
partial
ftes
from
departments
and
cobble
together
staff
so
that
you
can
identify
those
centralized
that
centralized
capacity
we've
seen
that
done
both
ways.
So
I
would
do
that
step
first.
That
would
be
the
number
one
priority,
and
that
is
our
primary
recommendation.
Q
The
next
step,
I
would
say,
would
be
to
take
a
look
at
those
policies
and
procedures,
because,
once
you
are
centralizing,
you
are
going
to
change
your
processes
and
so
looking
at
those
policies
and
procedures
and
those
roles
and
responsibilities.
Those
are
the
next
two
things
that
I
would
do
and
that
will
probably
keep
that
procurement
officer
and
your
administrative
services
team
busy
for
the
next
12
to
18
months
working
on
those
things.
And
then
I
would
come
back
and
I
would
do
some
internal
controls.
Testing
of
procurement.
A
That
sounds
great
well.
Thank
you
very
much
colleen
and
thank
you
very
much
for
keeping
that
direct
channel
of
communication
open.
Would
you
recommend
that,
in
fact,
that
direct
channel
of
communication
stay
open
between
you
know,
I
guess
particularly
the
subcommittee
members
from
the
city
council
and
yourself
or
your
colleagues
at
moss
adams,
as
the
external
auditor.
Q
Yeah,
yes,
and
that
absolutely
is
internal
audits
role,
we're
here
for
city
council
and
we're
certainly
available.
Yes,
okay,.
A
Great
thanks
very
much,
and
at
this
point
I
do
see
a
new
hand
raised
from
councilmember
way
so
councilman
wayne.
M
Thank
you,
mayor
paul,
so
I
have
two
questions,
so
I
I'm
glad
you
asked
the
procedures,
and
so
I
understand
the
next
steps
is
to
do
what
what
to
do.
I
am
particularly
interested
in
page
501,
because
I'm
a
city
council,
so
it
mentions
the
city
council.
It
seems
to
be
that
procurement,
roles
and
responsibilities
are
not
clearly
understood
among
city
staff
and
the
council,
which
can
hinder
organizational
effectiveness
so
the
whole
next
paragraph
concerns
me
and
my
fellow
council
members.
M
Maybe
I
have
to
start
one
in
the
middle
okay,
I'll
be
really
fast.
Okay,
the
council
has
shown
elevated
interest
in
city
operational
matters
and
technical
activities
and
has
engaged
in
detailed
level
work
such
as
reviewing
credit
card
statements.
This
practice
is
not
the
best
use
of
counsel
time,
and
the
insertion
of
counsel
into
day-to-day
matters
can
perpetuate
a
sense
of
doubt
among
city
staff,
hindering
operational
efficiency.
M
Such
environment
weakens
the
authority
and
expertise
of
city
leadership
to
develop
and
implement
strategic
updates
to
procurement
practice.
The
following
table
identifies
high-level
distinctions
between
the
roles
of
the
city,
council
and
city
staff,
so
there's
a
table
of
city,
council
and
city
staff
to
do
a
not
to-do
list.
My
question
for
you
is
in
the
following
steps.
M
After
the
procurement
procedures
has
been
identified,
and
maybe
we
could
hire
extra
staff,
we're
there
being
training
for
both
city,
council
and
city
staff
on
our
roles
and
responsibilities,
so
that
this
new
procurement
procedure
and
staff
or
the
teamwork
can
move
forward
under
you
know,
expertise
of
city
leadership
and
to
develop
and
that
strategic
update.
So
my
question
is:
is
there
a
follow-up
on
training
for
both
city
council
and
staff.
Q
Yeah,
I
think
that's
a
great
idea
and
an
excellent
suggestion
and
when
we
think
about
updating
policies
and
procedures
and
your
very
important
role
in
terms
of
setting
policy
and
strategy
for
the
city,
setting
policy
and
strategy
for
what
we
do
purchase,
who
we
engage
with
who
our
vendors
and
contractors
are
that's
a
very
important
role.
And
so
you
should
definitely
be
updated
as
the
policies
are
updated,
as
rules
and
responsibilities
change,
making
sure
that
they
align
with
your
vision
and
direction
for
the
city.
Q
A
Great,
thank
you
very
much
councilmember
way
and
and
colleen
is
there
anything
that
prohibits
us
in
these
guidelines
from
examining
things
like
credit
card
statements
and
seeing
the
various
details
of
how
things
are
being
spent
in
the
city.
Q
No
you're
absolutely
not
prohibited.
You
know
from
from
our
perspective,
what
we
want
is
for
people
to
be
operating
at
their
highest
and
best
use,
and
what
we
see
across
the
city
is
that
lots
of
folks,
council
management
on
down
are
pulled
down
into
the
weeds,
a
lot
and
pulled
down
into
operational
duties
and
not
necessarily
up
at
their
highest
and
best
use,
not
working
at
that
policy
and
strategy
level.
People
wear
a
lot
of
hats
in
the
city.
Q
Another
piece
is
that
we're
not
as
efficient
as
we
could
be,
and
this
is
one
of
those
processes
that
could
be
a
lot
more
efficient
and
have
people
working
at
the
in
the
places
where
they
are
most
effective
and
when
the
process
is
more
effective,
then
we
can
build
that
trust
where
you
don't
necessarily
maybe
need
to
feel
like
you
need
to
do
those
spot
checks.
So
often
when
you
have
the
appropriate
controls
in
place
right.
A
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying
calling
in
it's.
It's
greatly
appreciated
in
terms
of
you
know,
adding
a
bit
more
context,
and
you
know
parameters
to
the
the
efforts
there.
Let
me
read
the
preface,
since
you
know,
councilmember
way
did
start
mid-sentence
in
there.
A
The
council
has
shown
elevated
levels
of
interest
in
city
operational
matters,
and
so
you
know,
with
regard
to
credit
card
usage
colleen,
you
know
what
I
would
ask
you
is
if
we're
pointing
out-
and
I
was
actually
pointing
this
out
a
couple
of
years
ago,
four
years
ago
now,
with
regard
to
the
usage
of
credit
cards,
I
wasn't
going
through.
You
know
each
of
the
purchases,
but
at
the
time
I
was
wondering.
Okay,
is
this
the
best
way
to
make
sure
that
we
have?
A
A
You
know
bring
this
up
in.
You
know
like
other
contexts.
What
would
you
kind
of
suggest,
as
you
know,
kind
of
maybe
a
more
effective
long-term?
You
know
way
of
of
of
addressing
this,
because
there
are
certainly
areas
that
can
be
improved
in
in
any
system,
and
I
think
that
there
are
tendencies.
If
you
will,
you
know,
irrespective
of
you
know,
trying
to
create
a
dichotomy
between
you
know
so-called
policy
and
so-called
implementation
of
that
policy.
A
Q
Well,
with
respect
to
credit
cards,
it
absolutely
is
understandable
that
you're
in
the
situation
that
you
are
in-
and
it
absolutely
does
take
time
to
rebuild
trust
and
confidence,
and
so
so
and
that's
part
of
why
we're
here
right,
that's
part
of
why
you
have
an
internal
audit
function.
So
establishing
that
and
establishing
a
program
that
you
have
confidence
in,
I
think
is,
is
part
of
it.
We
did
review
credit
card
policy,
we
talked
to
all
of
our
interviewees
about
credit
cards.
We
reviewed
usage
as
part
of
this.
Q
We
didn't
find
anything
that
was
not
standard,
it's
kind
of
like
you
know.
I
hate
to
use
this
metaphor,
but
if
an
airplane
crashes
right
that
airline's,
probably
the
safest
one
to
fly
for
a
while,
and
so
we
found
you
know
very
much
standard
practice,
best
practice
in
terms
of
cow
cards
in
place
at
the
city,
which
is
why
you
didn't
find
any
findings
or
recommendations
really
related
specifically
to
credit
cards
in
this
review.
Q
What
I
would
recommend
is
doing
you
know:
regular
internal
controls,
testing
and
testing
of
credit
cards
across
the
city
within
our
internal
audit
program,
which
we
absolutely
can
build
into
next
year's
program.
And
if
it's
something
that
you
have
a
high
level
of
interest
in,
we
can
do
at
a
higher
frequency.
A
Okay,
fair
enough,
and
so
let
me
take
this
back
to
council
if
there
are
any
other
follow-up
questions
at
this
point,
we'll
go
ahead
and
have
some,
but
if
we
can
briefly
wrap
those
up
and
then
set
a
motion
forward
for
further
discussion
and
again,
this
is
fairly
simple
with
regard
to
the
requested
action,
which
is
to
accept
the
final
report.
Councilmember.
D
Moore
yeah,
thank
you,
mayor
paul.
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
kind
of
refresh
our
memories,
but
I
think,
with
regards
to
the
the
credit
cards,
I
think
there
was
a
situation
in
the
fall
where
an
individual
had
used.
The
credit
card
for
personal
item
purchase
some
items.
If
you
remember
that,
and
and
what
happened
from
that
situation,.
A
I
I
think,
that's
really
more
of
a
question
for
for
staff.
That
was
something
that
that
was
handled
internally
with
our
then
interim
city
manager,
but
perhaps
jim
you're.
Aware
of
that,
and
could
you
know
share
to
the
extent
that
you
can
yeah.
B
Thank
you
mayor.
Yes,
that
was
part
of
the
controls.
We
did
find
that
that
there
was
there
had
been
a
purchase
that
should
have
been
purchased
and
that
was
found
through
the
process
of
checking
and
having
the
backup
having
the
people
in
the
different
departments
request
them.
You
know,
like
let's
say
it's:
a
management
analyst
who's
working
on
putting
together
the
credit
cards
asking
for
that
backup
it
wasn't
there.
J
A
Okay,
anything
else,
counseling
or
more
or
vice
mayor.
You
have
your
hand
raised.
D
Well,
I'm
curious:
what,
with
regards
to
policy,
are
we
going
to
be
working
on
for
the
for
the
next
steps,
and
I
do
see
some
some
issues
with
with
regards
to
cal
cards
in
in
this
document?
D
So
since
we
are
supposed
to
be
creating
reviewing
and
adopting
strategic
policy,
I'm
going
to
assume
that
that
would
would
cover,
like
my
request,
that
all
contracts
be
in
writing
that,
if
we're
going
to
have
invoices
paid,
if
we're
going
to
have
payments
to
an
organization
that
we
actually
have
an
invoice
which
explains
what
that
was
for,
because
some
of
these
from
the
public
records
requests
that
I
did,
I
I
found
218
000
have
been
paid
without
having
associated
invoices,
and
that
to
me
is
a
policy
problem
that
needs
to
be
fixed.
D
A
Well,
that's
a
fair
question:
councilmember
moore
and
jim.
I
I
do
see
that
you
have
made
eye
contact.
A
To
address
that,
because
I
I
was
going
to
suggest
that
since
we
do
have
an
audit
subcommittee
identified
in
council,
that
perhaps
is
part
of
the
motion
we
can
ask
them
to.
You
know:
go
forward
and
work
with
staff
as
well
as
colleen
and
moss
adams,
to
help
identify
particular
items
of
immediate
follow-up
based
upon
an
assumed
final
acceptance
of
this
report.
A
So
jim
did
you
have
anything
to
add
to
that
suggestion:
okay,
great
councilman,
moore
anything
else.
Vice
mayor
ciao,
did
you
have
a
question
before
we
set
a
motion
in
place.
J
So
I
have
not
looked
at
the
credit
card
statements,
but
I
really
appreciate
on
council
members
who
do
take
the
time
to
look
at
that.
So
my
understanding
is
the
recommendation
is:
if
we
have
internal
control
in
place,
then
there
is
less
need
for
a
council
member
to
look
at
those
statements,
but
right
now
there
isn't
such
control.
J
Therefore
we
can
some
council
members
are
spending
time
trying
to
find
out
where
there
might
be
potential
problems.
That
zoe
can
add
control
like
some
of
the
things
that
we
find
out
a
council
member,
more
found
out
about
some
of
these
payments
without
invoice
and
or
or
we
staff
don't
even
know
what
they
are.
A
Yeah,
absolutely
yeah.
No,
I
I
don't
think
I
could
have
said
it
better
myself
and
the
one
thing
that
I'll
add
to
that
is
that
you
know,
as
this
process
goes
along
and
you
know,
mas
adams
is
obviously
a
very
reputable
auditor
and
you
know
we
have
been
designated.
I
think
very
capable
point
person
at
this
point.
You
know,
as
this
process
goes
along,
we'll
have
more
communication
with
the
the
auditor
will
have
more
interface
with
our
staff
members
in
terms
of
being
able
to.
A
You
know,
deliver
what's
happening
here.
I
I
will
point
out
that
this
was
council
itself
that
set
this
audit
into
place,
and
so
you
know
without
casting
aspersions,
I
will
say
that
it
is
nice
to
be
able
to
have
colleagues
that
engage
more
directly
and
get
into
you
know
more
of
those
details,
because
you
know
the
truth
of
the
matter.
Is
this.
You
know
democratic
representative
politics
when
you
have
really.
You
know
very
well
funded
special
interests
in
there
at
the
end
of
the
day.
A
They
don't
really
want
you
to
get
into
the
weeds
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
kind
of
like
okay,
you
don't
really
have
to
do
any
work
at
all,
just
vote.
The
way
that
we
tell
you
to-
and
so
you
know
from
my
perspective
I
feel
like.
Why
are
we
doing
this
as
a
system?
If
that's
basically
the
attitude
that
a
lot
of
people
take,
so
you
know
I'm
very
grateful.
A
I
know
it's
extra
work,
but
really
that's
kind
of
the
point
of
our
system,
which
is
to
allow
us
to
get
into
those
weeds
and
get
those
you
know
basic
and
more
specific
understandings.
So
I'm
I'm
happy
to
move
this
item
and
council
member
way
you
have
your
hand
raised.
Did
you
have
a
kind
of
a
final
okay
sure?
Do
you
mind
if
I
move
the
make
the
motion?
A
So
I'm
happy
to
move
this
item,
as
recommended
with
the
modification
that
I
had
discussed
previously,
that
we
asked
the
audit
committee
members
of
the
council
to
go
forward
and
work
with
our
staff
and
the
external
auditor
to
bring
forth
a
a
list
of
immediate
next
steps.
Following
this
final
report
and
council,
remember
more,
you
have
your
hand
raised.
Did
you
I'm
sorry,
did
you?
Oh
you
wanted
to?
Second
it
did
you
want
a
second
councilman
or
more?
M
A
Okay,
well
all
right
well
councilmember
way
seconded,
and
I
think
you
had
a
comment,
although
councilmember
moore
did
want
to
second
it,
but
you
know,
I
know
it's
it's
up
to
you.
If
you're,
okay,
with
it,
okay,
councilmember
moore,
did
you
still
want
to
second
the
motion
that
was,
you
know,
set
forth?
Second,
okay,
great
council?
Member
way,
you
have
the
first
comment
off
the
motion.
M
Yes,
I'm
very
glad
that
we
are
starting
this
process
and
I
do
believe
that's
going
to
have
once
we
have
that
procedure
and
staff
put
in
place.
We
can
build
trust
and
and
really
we
can
do
less
internal
work,
but
we
still
should
be
on
top
of
it.
Absolutely.
M
M
Maybe
it's
not
perfect,
it
needs
to
be
refined
and
I
do
think
we're
doing
a
good
job
of
having
our
outside
editor
internal
editor
to
work
on
it,
and
we
have
great
city
council
members
to
work
on
it,
but
I
do
want
to
say
I
think
our
staff
has
worked
very
hard
and
they
do
have
certain
procedures.
That's
why
they
found
out
that
personal
expense.
So
I
I
I
want
to
be
fair
to
the
staff
like
it's,
not
that
they
don't
have
any
internal
check.
J
Yeah
definitely,
I
think
the
staff
is
already
doing
everything
they
could
to
follow
the
current
rule.
But
then
there
are
sometimes
gaps
in
the
rule,
that's
unintended,
and
then
we
are
trying
to
just
improve
the
system
and
I'm
guilty
that
I
didn't
read
the
entire
report,
and
so
there
are
10
recommendations.
J
A
Well,
vice
mayor
chow,
what
I
would
say
is
that
I'm
glad
that
we
have
the
motion
on
the
table
that
we
do
so
that
we're
not
basically
giving
open-ended
instruction
by
way
of
failing
to
give
any
kind
of
instruction
in
terms
of
how
we
proceed
in
the
next
step,
because
I
I
think
that's
how
you
end
up
getting
a
lot
of
the
verbiage
that
you
see
in
some
of
these.
You
know
reports
because
we
do
authorize
something
and
then
ultimately,
we
no
longer
have
any
stewardship
over
the
process.
A
And
so
what
I
will
say
is
that
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
prioritize
every
single
one
of
those
10
recommendations
as
an
immediate
next
step.
But
at
least
we
have
a
couple
of
our
public
representatives
working
on
trying
to
get
those
prioritizations
back
to
counsel
and
report.
Back
as
to
you
know
what
it
is
that
we
would
would
recommend
moving
forward.
So
at
this
time,
I'll
be
honest
with
you,
I'm
not
prepared
to
tell
you
out
of
those
10
which
ones
I
would
go
in
what
order.
J
O
J
A
I
could
give
you
a
top
level,
you
know
sense
of
the
world.
You
know
from
my
experience,
I
think,
having
a
procurement
officer
would
be
a
really
nice
thing,
because
you
know
I'll
I'll
be
frank.
If
something
is
a
little
bit
more
acceptable,
you
know
to
people
that
want
to
do
it.
It
might
seem
a
little
bit
less
expensive
and
if
it's
less
acceptable,
it
might
seem
more
expensive.
A
So
really
for
me,
I'm
kind
of
like
well,
it
would
be
nice
to
have
someone
who,
whose
dedicated
job
is
to
make
sure
that
they're
evaluating
this
from
a
neutral
perspective.
So
so
I
mean
I
would
actually
put
that
fairly
high
on
my
list,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
I'm
not
really
prepared
to
say
you
know
what
else
would
be
really
high
and
what
would
be
a
lower
priority.
I
mean,
I
think,
systemically
when
you're
talking
about
the
the
way
procurement
is
done
from
a
top
level
perspective.
A
A
So
you
know
that's
by
way
of
my
answer:
if
councilman
moore,
you're,
the
other
member
of
the
audit
committee,
did
you
want
to
speak
to
that.
D
Okay,
so
there
wasn't
anything
in
the
list
that
I
would
say
no
to
in
particular
I
might
if
it's
supposed
to
be
viewed
as
a
prioritized
list,
I
would
move
item
seven,
which
is
regarding
policy
up
up
higher.
Perhaps,
and
then
there
is
a
a
nice
amount
of
flexibility
within
each
of
these
recommendations
as
well.
D
So
there's,
I
don't
feel
like
we're
being
cornered
into
into
a
specific
course
of
action,
and-
and
one
of
them
in
particular,
is
like
with
regards
to
having
our
our
policy
essentially
dovetail
into
our
beliefs,
if
you
will,
for
instance,
if
if,
if,
if
we
wanna
have
the
single-use
plastic
ordnance,
then
when
we
have
an
event
for
the
public
where
we're
providing
water,
how
are
we
going
to
be?
D
Do
we
ever
allow
water
bottles
throughout
the
city
for
events
or
are
we
gonna
use
some
other
means
to
provide
provide
hydration
that
those
those
kinds
of
things
so
there's
a
lot
of
flexibility
there
and
I
particularly
like
the
idea
of
of
saving
money
by
centralizing
this,
and
I
I
think
that
the
subcommittee
can
go
through
here
and
and
come
up
with
a
prioritized
list
and
and
within
the
the
flexibility
that
we
have
make
some
recommendations
based
on
that.
A
Okay,
great
thanks
very
much
kelsey
moore
and
again,
we
do
have
the
motion
on
the
table
any
other
comments
or
follow-ups
at
this
time,
all
right
great.
Let's
vote
with
our
lights.
A
A
Let
me
check
in
initially
I
had
said
that
we
want
to
be
able
to
reserve
the
thursdays
of
the
weeks
of
council.
I-
and
I
know
that
we
were
trying
to
you-
know,
try
to
cut
back
a
little
bit
on
on
the
meeting
schedules
and
keep
it
on
regular
agendas.
A
But
let
me
see
if
there's
an
appetite
for
having
a
special
meeting
this
thursday
or
a
continuation
of
this
one
for
item
number
27..
Let
me
first
check
in
with
our
city
manager,
so
so
jim
is
that
something
that
we
could
you
know
potentially
entertain
for
this
thursday.
B
Yeah,
that's
something
we!
You
know
I
I'd
rather
not,
but
this
is
important,
but
I'd
like
to
throw
out
an
idea
that
the
the
work
plan
you
know
the
rankings
we've
done
them
twice
now.
This
one
really
was
sort
of
another
time
where
we
had
the
same
presentation
same
powerpoint.
B
It
was
going
to
be
the
opportunity
for
council
to
rank
them
again
here,
but
if
we
want,
we
can
say
take
that
home,
send
it
back
into
usa
by
thursday
and
then
we'll
have
that
all
ready
to
go,
because
this
was
going
to
be
like
the
final
ranking
at
that
point
in
time
until
we
come
back
during
the
budget
cycle
again.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
would
help
where
it
would
have
been
like.
B
I
said
the
same
presentation,
but
when
we
get
to
the
part
with
the
projects
they
were
now
ranked
in
the
new
orders
and
with
katie
she
has
it
set
up
where
you
know
you
have
the
new
excel
spreadsheet.
You
can
re-rank
it
at
that
point
and
then
we'd
have
it
done.
If
you
wanted
to
do
it
that
way,.
A
Okay,
well,
let's
see
what
the
pleasure
council
is
I'd
be
willing
to.
I
I
see
a
head
shaking
down
the
the
dyes,
so
would
anyone
like
to.
A
F
D
D
Paul
mayor
paul,
I
I.
D
D
A
Okay,
well,
it
sounds
like
continuation
to
thursday
how
are
schedules
looking
councilmember
way.
You
have.
A
A
A
Okay,
okay,
so
nine
o'clock
without
work
for
schedules
here
in
terms
of
it
actually
does
push
it
up
a
little
bit
earlier
than
it
would
have
appeared
this
evening
anyway,
by
nine
o'clock
on
thursday.
Would
that
work
to.
A
Yes,
jim,
I.
B
Was
gonna,
say
or
or
if
councilmember
moore
has
questions
we
could
meet
with
her
separately?
If
that
might
answer
anything
just
trying
to
think
of
different
ways,.
J
A
Be
a
yeah.
J
A
M
A
A
Okay,
so
is
that
something
that
we
can
do
just
to
refer
those
questions
individually
staff
to
get
to
the
point
where
we
can,
although
we
we
would
need
a
consolidated
understanding
of
what
that
you
know,
information
would
be
so.
Okay,
let's,
let's
think
this
through
we're
on
april
19th
and
then
april
may
3rd
is
our
next
meeting.
If
we
were
to
put
this,
I
think
we
need
to.
We
need
to
cover
this
before
our
may
3rd
meeting,
just
in
order.
D
A
You
know
proceed
with,
you
know.
D
D
I've
got
the
the
cep
at
11
and
then
like
yeah,
and
then
the
audit
committee
at
four
you're
not
going
to
have
too
much
brain
power
coming
from
me.
After
that.
A
A
The
27th:
let's
do
this
councilmember
way.
You
know
I'm
I'm
very
apologetic
about
tomorrow,
but
it
sounds
like
that's
the
one
that
would
and
actually
chris
did.
You
say
that
tomorrow
isn't
going
to
work
for
you.
I.
K
About
this
assistant
city
attorney
in
place
of
chris.
A
A
Okay,
well,
you
know,
I,
I
think
that
at
this
point
friday.
A
Last
I
have
a
fuhsd
commitment
where
I
I
don't
need
to
stay
at
the
entire.
You
know
board
meeting,
but
I
I
will
be
there
at
the
beginning
of
it.
A
A
Yeah
we're
we're
going
to
need
to
postpone
that
one
with
regard
to
getting
that,
never
made
it
on
my
calendar
and
you
know.
Unfortunately,
I
have
a
long-standing
commitment
to
attend
the
fuhsd
meeting,
so
I
I
would
say
that
if
next
tuesday,
we
would
probably
also
need
to
start
it
at
eight
o'clock.
O
D
A
I
I
don't
think
so.
That's
closed
session
litigation,
so
that's
usually
not
something
that
gets
you
know
concluded
in
a
really
I
I
would
allocate
at
least
an
hour
and
a
half
or
two
hours
for
that.
So.
A
Well,
I
I
think
we're
back
to
thursday
of
this
week.
Frankly,
and
you
know,
hung
councilmember
way.
You
hadn't
mentioned
nine
o'clock.
F
A
M
A
Okay,
okay,
the
the
work
day.
Okay,
then
councilmember,
where
you
said
eight
o'clock
is
the
earliest
that
you
can
make
it
all
right.
Let's
make
it
eight
o'clock,
then
thursday,
and
that
would
be
on
the
21st,
we'll
we'll
continue
item
number
27
and
then
for
item
number
29.
Let's
kirsten,
do
you
have
no
actually
he's.
I
remember
28.
A
Let
me
take
a
motion
to
continue
item
number
27
until
8
o'clock
this
thursday
I'll
I'll
make
that
motion.
Can
I
have
a
second
for
that.
J
Right,
the
council
member
way
said:
seven
is
okay.
I.
J
A
There's
60
minutes
allocated
for
this
under
our
original.
You
know
program,
so
you
know.
A
A
D
A
Okay,
well
now
that
we've,
you
know,
spent
the
time
on
this.
Do
you
want
to
continue
both
until
thursday
or
should
we
move
to
send
the
teen
commission
item
to
may
3rd?
I
think.
A
B
A
Only
one
working
day
between
now
and
then
so,
okay,
so,
okay,
I
don't
see
any
members
of
the
public
with
the
hands
raised
on
on
this
item.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
madam
city
clerk
and
madison
clerk.
If
you
could,
I
know
you
estimated
four
minutes
for
your
presentation
on
item
28..
Could
you
present
item
28,
please
if
you
could
certainly
yeah.
H
Okay,
can
you
see
my
screen?
Okay,
so
so
staff
is
looking
for
guidance
on
correcting
the
teen
commission
term
schedules
in
order
to
move
forward
with
the
annual
recruitment
process.
H
As
previously
noted,
the
code
specifies
that
the
commission's
appointments
should
be
made
in
five.
Appointments
should
be
made
in
odd
numbered
years
and
four
appointments
and
even
numbered
years,
as
shown
in
this.
In
this
photo,
it
became
off
balance
in
2011
to
where
five
members
were
appointed
to
two-year
terms
and
council
chose
not
to
include
a
one-year
term
as
as
necessary,
so
that
resulted
in
six
vacancies
for
the
following
appointment
cycle.
That's
where
we
are
now.
H
We
have
three
terms
expiring
in
this
even
year
where
the
code
specifies
that
there
should
be
four
terms
expiring.
H
H
I
did
check
with
the
the
commission
at
their
last
meeting
and
no
teen
commission
members
have
accepted
and
then
the
second
option
would
be
to
amend
the
code
direct
staff
to
amend
the
municipal
code
to
match
our
current
appointment
terms
of
six
appointments
in
odd
number
years
and
three
appointments
in
even
numbered
years
and
then
authorized
staff
to
proceed
with
the
annual
recruitment.
H
The
the
deadline
for
for
the
may
interviews
is
is
no
longer
recommended.
It's
not
viable
to
properly
notice
and
interview.
So
we've
we're
recommending
august
application
deadline
at
4,
30
pm
on
on
july
29th
and
interview
dates
occurring
at
5,
30
pm
on
monday
august,
8th
and
tuesday
august
9th,
and
so
there
were
a
couple
of
options
that
were
suggested
at
the
last
meeting,
but
they
actually
do
not.
H
H
J
So
whatever
we
do,
you
need
to
amend
the
code.
You
are
just
recommending
amending
the
code
to
make
it
as
six
three.
Then
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
make
sense.
I
agree
with
council
member
welly
that
we
should
appoint
for,
but
we
will
just
have
one
extra
voting
member
this
year.
We
are
not
complying
anyway.
It
doesn't
matter
how
not
comply
so
we'll
just
have
10
members
rather
than
nine
this
year.
I
so
what
it
doesn't
comply
anyway
and
then
next
year
will
be
fine.
K
A
H
A
Okay,
so
having
no
members
of
the
public
either
on
zoom
or
on
the
phone
or
here
live
or
over
email.
Let's
go
ahead
and
bring
this
back
to
to
counsel.
I
didn't
hear
any
questions,
it's
fairly
clear,
that
the
question
is:
how
do
we
bring
this
back
into
code,
compliance
on
a
5'4
basis,
and
so
you
know
I
do
hear
the
notion
that
we're
already
out
of
compliance.
So
why
not
do
what
we
can
to
get
it
back
into
compliance?
You
know
based
upon
what
this
the
code
states,
council.
A
Member
way,
you
have
your
hand
raised.
Did
you
want
to
make
a
comment
or
suggestion
at
this
time.
M
Yes,
I
would
like
to
make
a
suggestion,
I
kind
of
like
what
john
suggested,
but
instead
of
a
0.4
with
one
non-voting,
let's
just
a
point
three
with
a
bet
with
a
what's
that
alternate
a
backup
and
then,
when
the
one
expires
just
bring
that
person
on
board,
then
we'll
we're
in
compliance.
M
A
D
Okay,
so
if
we
do
a
0.4,
we'll
have
a
total
of
10.,
and
I
would
so
the
cep,
for
example,
has
four
members
it's
an
even
number.
So
I
was
wondering
if
the
city
attorney
could
explain
what
happens
in
in
the
event
of
a
tie,
the
cep.
What's
the
cep,
the
housing
element,
advisory
committee.
F
A
You
just
have
have
ten,
and
you
know
it's
kind
of
like
asking
someone
to
curtail
their
term
by
a
year
I
mean
I,
I
wouldn't
want
to
put
someone
on
unequal
footing
with
the
other
nine
or
the
other
members
of
the
of
the
commission,
so
I'll
put
forward
that
motion
that
in
this
upcoming
cycle
we
interview
for
four
positions
and
in
the
subsequent
cycle
we
interview
for
five
when
the
current
two-year
cycles
for
the
six
are
expired
and
then
that
would
set
us
back
into
compliance.
A
You
know
a
year
out
from
now.
Can
I
have
a
second
for
that.
D
Wondering
do
do
we
want
to
have
any
aspect
of
the
municipal
code
change
to
reflect
this.
This
brief.
You
know
that,
for
for
the
period
of
you
know
now,
until
the
next
interview
process,
the
the
commission
will
have
10
members
or
something.
A
D
A
A
I
suggest
that
we
direct
our
staff
to
come
up
with
a
resolution
that
we
place
on
our
agenda
and
that
basically
explains
for
the
historical
record,
what
we
are
doing
and
why
we
are
doing
it
so
can
can
we
can
we
do
that
instead
of
you
know
having
a
an
ordinance
to
that
effect.
F
A
A
Okay,
then
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
change
my
motion
to
so
direct
staff
to
bring
back
a
resolution
to
us
at
our
next
regular
meeting
on
may
3rd
to
that
effect
and
as
a
secondary
council
member
more
will
you
accept
that?
Yes,
okay,
so
we
have
motion
in
a
second
and
so
we're
going
to
bring
this
back.
Hopefully
you
know
on
the
consent.
Can
we
bring
this
on
the
consent
calendar
chris?
You
know
to
potentially
just
move
forward
with
this
for
may
3rd.
F
We
could
bring
it
on
the
consent
calendar
or
you
know
we
could.
We
could
bring
the
resolution
forward
at
the
time
that
you
select
the
commissioners
as
well.
A
Okay,
okay,
so
we
could
proceed
with
okay.
So
why
don't
we
proceed
with
the
interviews?
You
know
in
a
timely
manner,
first
of
all
and
in
a
manner
that
doesn't
delay
the
normal
schedule
and
then
have
the
resolution
come
back.
Whatever
you
know
is
most.
You
know
consistent
with
that
that
aim
vice
mayor
ciao.
J
A
H
H
J
I
forgot
they
can
actually
attend
virtually
right,
so
in
case
they're
not
back,
they
can
attend
the
interview
virtually
if
it
could
be
either
in
person
or
virtual.
Then
probably
that
works.
A
F
A
A
Okay,
okay,
so
we
would
probably
need
to
be
live
or
a
majority
of
us
would
need
to
be
live
and
otherwise
subjected
brown
act,
but
the
interviewees
could
be
over
video,
okay.
Well,
vice
mayor,
I
it
sounds
like
you
were,
making
a
comment
that
you
basically
thought
about,
and
you
know
essentially
retracted.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
vote
with
our
lights
on
the
motion.
That's
on
the
table.
H
A
As
suggested
the
the
august,
the
august
interview
schedule
is
what
okay
is
being
recommended.
J
We
clarify
that
the
interview
will
be
have
the
virtual
option
for
attendees
for
for
the
interview.
A
I
I
think
if
we
go
ahead
and
I
think
if
we
go
ahead
and
direct
staff,
you
know
in
that
manner,
then
you
know
the
city
clerk's
office
can
make
it
clear
in
the
notice
that
it
will
be
a
virtual
interview
if
the
applicant
switches
right.
Okay,
please
vote
with
your
lights.