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Coverage of the January 25, 2023 Special Cupertino City Council Meeting.
Regular Meeting segment. Part 1 of 3.
A
B
Yes,
mayor,
we
do
have,
for
we
have
two
speaker
cards
so
just
to
be
clear.
Are
we
having
an
oral
Communications,
then?
Are
we
having
a
public
comment
for
item
one.
C
Yep
so
generally,
we
do
not
have
oral
Communications
at
a
special
meeting.
Okay.
A
C
Thank
you
mayor
members
of
council
I
have
a
very
brief
presentation
which
I
will
attempt
to
bring
up
here.
C
C
C
You
know,
apart
from
the
introduction
we
just
there's
the
selection
of
the
mayor
and
the
vice
mayor
and
again
just
to
be
clear.
Selection
and
removal
of
the
mayor
are
are
refers
to
selection.
Removal
of
the
mayor,
as
from
their
offices,
is
Mary.
Vice
mayor,
a
nut
from
Council
Council
cannot
remove
its
members.
C
That
can
only
be
done
by
the
voters,
rules
around
council
member
commissions
and
subcommittees
rules
for
other
cities,
commissions
and
committees,
and
then
various
administrative
matters,
relationship
with
staff,
agenda
and
staff
reports,
meeting
procedures
section
on
closed
session,
and
then
the
enforcement
and
suspension
of
the
rules
council
did
receive
an
agenda
packet
on
Friday
with
that
that
included
both
staff
recommendations
to
amendments
to
the
version
that
was
considered
it
on
January
17th,
as
well
as
recommendations
from
council
members
that
were
collected
by
the
city
attorney's
office.
C
In
addition
to
that,
the
the
information
you
received
on
Friday,
you
did
receive
a
supplemental
item
yesterday,
and
that
includes
certain
suggested
revisions
that
were
made
after
Friday
and
then
those
are
highlighted
for
your
convenience
in
that
supplemental
agenda
packet.
So
you
could
see
the
changes
that
were
made
after
the
agenda
was
published
so
with
that
I
am
available
for
any
further
questions.
That
Council
has
and
I
will
return
this
to
the
mayor.
A
Right,
thank
you
see
the
attorney
Jensen,
so
I'm
going
to
open
up
for
Council
questions.
If
you
have
any
questions,
please
let
me
know.
A
B
Yes
mayor,
would
you
like
to
start
with
the
in-house
people?
First
sure.
B
Yes,
I
have
three
blue
speaker
cards.
First
person
is
Peggy
Griffin,
then
Jennifer,
Griffin
and
then
Lisa
Warren
Peggy,
welcome.
D
Okay
good
evening
Council
and
staff
I
have
oh.
B
D
Start
again:
yes,
that's
perfect.
Okay,
good
evening
good
afternoon,
Council
and
staff
I
want
to
thank
you
for
having
this
additional
discussion.
An
opportunity
to
comment.
I
have
10
very
important
requests
regarding
the
city
council
procedures.
Manual.
First
do
not
adopt
this
procedure
manual
today.
It's
a
study
session
study.
It
two
section:
4.4
appointment,
leave
the
last
sentence,
as
is
former
council
members,
are
not
eligible
for
appointment.
New
councils
always
allow
Commissioners
to
serve
out
their
terms.
This
is
targeting
commissioner
Scharf
section
6.6,
council
member
access
to
information
compromised
reword.
D
It
say
before
resorting
to
a
public
records
request.
They
may
should
meet
with
X
to
resolve
the
issue.
Four
section
7.1
future
agenda
items,
compromise
reword.
It
allow
those
who
put
the
item
on
the
future
agenda
list
to
take
it
off.
You
can
ask
them:
5
Section
8.4
order
of
business,
Define
consent,
calendar
public
hearings,
action,
calendar
defined
study
session.
What
can
and
can't
be
done
during
a
study
session,
don't
make
decisions
or
I
mean
approve
stuff
oral,
Communications
change
to
say.
Additional
speakers
will
not
may
be
given
additional
time
at
the
end.
Section.
D
8.5
consent
calendar
Define
it.
What
goes
in
it
lately,
its
use
has
been
abused.
Two
examples
on
the
January
17th
agenda,
the
housing
element
where
the
public
was
asked
to
provide
input
and
they
did
and
the
proposal
for
a
design
for
a
new
park
on
the
east
on
a
park
deprived
east
side
where
both
put
under
consent.
D
Okay,
section
8.1
5.1,
adding
item
to
consent
calendar
during
the
meeting
delete
it.
People
come
to
speak
on
an
item
and,
if
all
of
a
sudden,
You
Yank
it
out
from
under
them
and
stuff
it
in
consent,
that's
not
encouraging
people
to
come
section
8.5.2.
D
B
E
Good
afternoon,
everyone,
this
is
an
interesting
time,
I'm,
going
to
start
out
with
a
lot
of
the
things
that
Peggy
said.
I
I
have
a
lot
of
similar
concerns
with
first
of
all,
let's
talk
about
oral
Communications
I,
don't
think
there
should
be
a
limit.
Yes,
three
minutes,
two
minutes
believe
me.
I've
seen
in
the
22
years,
I've
been
coming
here.
I
have
seen
everything
one
of
the
Mayors
actually
got
in
trouble
because
he
limited
the
the
time
and
it
kind
of
followed
him
we're
here.
E
The
the
pup
cities
are
a
two-way
street.
People
create
cities,
people
who
move
to
areas,
especially
if
it
was
a
Wilderness
cities,
are
created
by
people.
Farms
become
cities
Etc.
You
all
know
that
you
know
the
history
of
this
country,
so
therefore
the
public
always
needs
to
be
in
touch
with
their
elected
legislators.
I
am
very
proud
that
my
family
from
near
Charlottesville
actually
helped
create.
E
E
Let's
make
sure
that
we
can
still
pull
things
from
consent
calendar.
It's
a
two-way
street
I
have
believed
me.
In
22
years,
I
have
seen
a
lot
in
these
council
chambers
and
some
of
the
people
that
sit
in
the
audience
were
former
city,
council,
members
and
Mayors.
E
You
know
who
knows
we
may
get
the
former
mayor
of
San
Jose
in
our
audience,
someday
I,
don't
think
we
should
be
voting
on
this
procedure
manual
tonight.
That's
irregular.
That
has
never
happened
in
the
history
of
this
city.
E
You
also
have
to
make
sure
that
it's
noticed
in
the
paper.
I
think
things
are
still
noticed
in
the
in
The
Courier,
but
half
of
the
neighborhood
doesn't
get
it.
I
haven't
figured
that
one
out
in
22
years
and
I
just
think
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
messing
with
something
that
was
not
broken.
E
Believe
me,
I
have
seen
a
lot
in
22
years
and
this
year
has
been
one
of
the
strangest
and
most
irregular
so
far,
and
it's
only
one
month
old
I'm,
assuming
that
we
can
speak
on
item
number
two
at
some
point.
Please
correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong
that'll
be
the
next
thing
coming
up
here.
You
know
you
have
to
remember,
too,
that
the
public
spends
a
lot
of
time
following
this
yeah
I'm
retired.
Now
this
is
my
job.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
retain
input
in
my
city.
Thank
you.
Thank.
F
Thank
you,
so
I
sent
something
at
the
very
last
minute
at
2
30
to
get
into
you
guys.
Hopefully,
you've
seen
it.
If
not.
Since
this
is
a
study
session
and
notice,
final
decision
should
be
made.
You'd
have
a
chance
to
review
it
and
I
didn't
even
have
a
chance
to
finish.
It.
I've
been
jocking
business
meetings
with
trying
to
do
this
to
give
my
input,
but
I
can
save
a
little
time
by
just
saying:
I
agree
with
everything,
Peggy
Griffin
said
and
most
of
what
I
heard
Jennifer
say.
F
Key
thing,
I
just
hinted
at
no
decisions.
Final
decisions
should
be
made
at
any
session
study
study
session
at
any
time
whether
it's
Planning
Commission
city,
council,
Etc.
It's
just
not
correct
and
there's
some
bad
information
floating
around
about
that.
So
selection
of
Mayor
I
will
just
start
2.1
the
lecture
of
Mayor
and
vice
mayor.
Please
consider
deleting
the
sentence
the
mayor
and
the
vice
mayor
shall
not
serve
consecutive
terms.
Provided,
however,
this
provision
shall
not
prevent
the
vice
mayor
from
succeeding
the
office
of
Mayor
2.2.
Please
remove
the
or
excuse
me.
F
It's
the
removal
of
mayor,
or
vice
mayor,
I,
support,
chow
and
mohan's
ad.
She
added
to
the
selection.
They
both
chose
the
same
terminology
to
add
and
I
agree
with
that
also
add
language
to
clarify
that
if
a
mayor
or
vice
mayor
is
removed
from
office,
they
will
remain
on
city
council.
That
was
verbally
said,
but
I
didn't
see
it
in
writing.
Yet
appointment,
3.1
support,
Moore's
revision
and
I
won't
read
it
because
it's
long
and
I
won't
get
through
everything.
F
4.4
appointment
of
commissions
and
committees
delete
the
last
sentence,
which
is
former
council
members,
are
not
eligible
for
appointment
to
any
commission
or
committee
without
four
years
of
having
served
on
the
city
council
within
four
years.
Sorry,
if
you
choose
not
to
delete
that,
then
do
not
change
the
draft
language
in
the
sentence
from
the
original
sentence
from
for
appointment
to
to
service
on
which
was
a
suggestion
by
mayor
way.
F
That
would
be
a
huge
mistake
in
many
ways
and
I
outlined
those
reasons
on
what
I
wrote
and
sent
support,
Mars
revision
to
add
the
4.4
commission
and
committee
members
shall
not
be
employees
of
the
city
of
or
companies
with
which
the
city
contracts
with
or
employees
of,
subconscious
contracted
companies.
I
would
add
to
that.
F
B
You
and
that
concludes
our
speakers
that
have
submitted
blue
speaker
cards
in
in
Community
Hall,
and
now
we
will
move
to
those
people
that
have
their
hands
raised
on
zoom,
and
that
is
those
are
rotify.
Donna,
Austin,
Louis,
sadati
and
danessa
techmanski
and
I
will
allow
Rhoda
to
speak.
Welcome
Rhoda.
G
Hi
good
afternoon,
I
concur
with
both
of
them
as
Griffins
and
Ms.
Alton
I'm
really
shocked
that
the
city
would
consider
adoption
of
these
in
a
study
session.
Looking
back
nine
years,
a
final
action
has
never
been
decided
in
a
study
session.
I've
sent
you
the
data
to
prove
it.
It
is
my
expectation
that
these
items
will
not
be
on
consent
calendar
at
the
next
meeting.
G
They
should
be
fully
discussed
by
the
public,
as
expected
as
to
timing
I'm.
Likewise,
I've,
likewise
never
seen
a
study
session
start
as
early
as
four
o'clock
or
even
4
30
PM
for
that
matter,
generally
they're
at
5
30.,
so
I
just
feel.
Like
you
know,
the
public
is
being
marginalized
in
our
opportunity
to
participate.
G
What
can
we
expect
moving
forward?
You
know
in
general,
I
found
that
the
you
know
the
responsibilities
for
staff
is
lacking
in
in
the
in
these
guidelines.
I'd
like
to
see
more
what
staff's
commitments
are,
for
instance,
having
the
reports
shall
be
made
available.
Timely.
G
Not
there
was
a
should
be,
but
not
shall
be
as
far
as
the
back
packets
I'd
also
like
to
see
public
comment
posted
on
the
website
in
advance
of
the
meeting
and
as
staff
should
disclose
ex
parte
Communications
with
former
planning
commissions
and
council
members
and
and
other
influencers.
So
we
really
know
where
everything's
going.
Then,
all
of
a
sudden,
this
idea
of
a
nine
minute
notice
came
up
that
we
should
give
and-
and
you
know
what
I
think-
that
five
or
even
three
or
even
one,
is
just
fine.
G
Even
in
the
past
on
regular
agenda
items,
you
had
to
get
your
card
in
before
staff
was
done
speaking.
You
know
what
maybe
it's
within
five
minutes
of
this
first
speaker,
because
you
know
at
the
end
of
the
day
is
it
provides
the
the
mayor,
an
opportunity
to
say?
G
Okay,
everybody
moving
forward
gets
two
minutes
first
for
something
that
I'm
also
concerned
a
little
bit
about
the
oral
Communications
being
only
for
half
hour,
and
it's
not
really
clear
whether
it's
a
half
hour
of
allocated
time,
if
it's
half
hour
of
actual
speaker
speaking
or
on
the
clock,
you
know,
there's
a
certain
amount
of
overhead
involved
in
getting
people
through
and
I
think
that
it
really
should
be
speaker
time.
G
I
see
that
today
that
people
in
the
audience
have
gone
to
speak
first,
we
need
to
really
understand
where
we're
at.
If
this
continues
this
way,
people
on
Zoom
would
talk
during
our
Communications,
then
you've
got
then
you've
got
the
people,
people
in
a
room
who
would
wind
up
being
stuck
in
the
room
until
until
the
end
of
the
meeting
and
I
will
speak
to
item
two
when
item
two
comes
up
and
I
I.
G
Thank
you
very,
very
much
for
your
time
and
really
I
know
you
all
ran
on
your
campaigns
on
transparency,
and
you
know
public
participation.
May
your
way.
I,
listened
to
your
comments,
very,
very
I
loved
your
comments
to
the
to
the
Chamber
of
Commerce,
and
you
know
about.
We
are
part
of
the
city
and
I
want
to
feel
part
of
the
city,
but
you
know
what,
for
the
first
time
in
my
nearly
40
Years
of
Living
in
Cupertino,
I,
don't
feel
like
I'm
part
of
the
city.
G
B
H
You
hear
me:
yes,
yes,
okay,
my
name
is
Donna
Austin
I'm
a
47
year
resident
of
Cupertino
I,
disagree
with
everything,
wrote
a
fry
said
and
Lisa
Warren
and
I
think
her
name
was
Jennifer.
I
really
think
this
procedure
manual
will
serve
the
purpose
of
making
things
more
efficient
and
everybody
getting
a
chance.
Instead
of
the
same
group
and
the
same
people
all
the
time,
I
would
I
believe
that
the
former
council
members
should
never
be
on
the
commission
unless
they've
been
out
in
the
community
for
four
years.
H
The
the
permissions
have
always
represented
the
community
in
general
and
former
city
council
members,
or
even
you
know
they
can't
be
City,
should
not
be
they
double
dip.
They
were
voted
down.
Steve
Scharf
was
voted
down
twice.
The
people
didn't
pick
him
and
yet
he
got
appointed
and
he
should
never
have
been
appointed.
H
That
seems
to
be
wrong,
and
so
I
agree
with
this
in
the
procedures
manual.
The
study
session,
you
should
be
able
to
make,
definitely
agree
and
make
us
your
comments.
The
city
of
Cupertino
and
in
the
San
Jose
Mercury
News,
was
voted
or
said
or
spoken
of
as
the
worst
governed
city
that
was
last
year.
The
the
grand
jury
wants
us
to
change
our
procedures.
H
B
I
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
can
you
hear
me
awesome?
I
am
Louise.
I
am
a
resident
of
Cupertino
for
37
years.
I
would
like
to
commend
the
city
staff
and
the
City
attorney
for
their
incorporation
of
the
Civil
grand
jury,
findings
and
recommendations
into
his
draft
of
the
procedure.
Manuals
and
I
also
really
in
particular,
like
the
recommendations
that
hongwei
made
in
the
revisions
that
she
recommended,
because
we
want
transparency
and
good
governance
in
our
government
in
our
government
and
presently
the
the
way
the
meeting
has
run.
I
I
We
never
got
past
item
number
two,
so
yes,
the
City
Council
meetings
definitely
needs
to
have
a
procedure
manual
to
have
the
meetings
run
more
efficiently
more
efficiently,
in
particular,
I
think
the
recommendation
for
pulling
out
consent
items
that
if
you
pull
out
a
consent
item
that
it
be
put
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
rather
than
having
a
ton
of
consent,
items
jammed
up
and
pulled
out
discussed
at
the
beginning
and
all
the
agenda
items
get
put
until
really
way
too
late
in
the
evening
for
the
public
like
who
most
of
them
work
have
access
to.
I
Secondly,
I
really
agree
with
what
the
the
procedure
manual
recommended
to
decrease
the
use
of
Public
Information
Act.
It's
been
excessively
used,
it
seems
by
some
of
the
council
members
when
you
have
30
percent
of
the
staff
time
being
utilized
answering
staff
public
disclosure
disclosures.
That's
does
seem
to
give
the
appearance
of
circumventing
the
city
management
style
of
Governors
that
we
should
have
so
this
procedure
manual
I
can
see
it
has
a
lot
of
input
in
it.
I
I
won't
go
into
all
the
specific,
but
it
seems
that
a
lot
of
the
items
are
for
efficiency.
Streamlining,
because
if
you
make
the
meeting
streamline
then
more,
the
working
public
can
be
present.
Whereas
if
you
allow
everybody
to
talk
for
two
hours
and
until
past
midnight,
then
you
are
losing
a
lot
of
Public
Access
to
the
meeting.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
this
procedure.
Manual
I
recommend
the
city
adopting
it.
Thank
you.
J
You,
my
name
is
danessa
techmanski
I'm
a
31
year,
Cupertino
resident
first
off
I.
Don't
think
that
we
should
be
voting
on
this
manual
during
a
study
session.
I,
don't
know
when
we
voted
in
study
sessions
before
and
I.
Don't
like
the
four
o'clock
start
time.
A
lot
of
people
are
still
at
work
and
they
can't
even
participate
and
that
that
to
me
seems
a
big
shame.
J
Couple
things
I
agree
with
things
that,
like
Rhoda
and
Peggy
and
Lisa
all
said,
section
4.6
of
the
manual
procedural
manual
that
prohibits
council
members
from
Syrian
on
committees
for
four
years
after
their
service.
That
to
me
doesn't
make
sense,
because
you
think
that
a
council
member
would
be
a
more
current,
experienced
and
informed
regarding
our
City's,
Affairs
and
I
mean
they
could
pick
up
the
ball
running
on
something
where
brand
new
person
is
going
to
have
quite
a
learning
curve.
It
seems
efficient.
You
would
want
someone
with
experience.
J
I
do
know.
I
heard
that
I
understand
mayor.
We
wants
to
change
the
wording
to
say
that
former
council
members
can't
serve
I
thought
the
attorney.
Jensen
said
this
wasn't
personal.
That
sounds
kind
of
personal
because
it
would
remove
long-time
involved
resident
former
council
member
former
mayor
Steve
Scharf
from
the
Planning
Commission,
especially
when
you
want
to
roll
two
other
committees
into
the
Planning
Commission.
J
It
seems
like
a
poor
timing
on
that.
I.
Also
don't
like
saying
that
council
members
and
Commissioners
can't
speak
or
be
involved
on
in
other
meetings.
When
you
know
when
they're
not
on
the
dice,
they
should
have
the
same
freedom
of
speech
as
any
other
member
of
the
public
that
that
just
does
not
seem
right
to
me.
J
Section
6.6,
saying
that
the
council
members
count
on
circumvent
the
city
manager's
Direction
regarding
Pras,
but
according
to
California
government
code,
elected
members
of
any
state
or
local
agency
are
absolutely
entitled
to
have
access
access
to
the
public
records
of
that
agency
if
they
feel
it's
warranted
and
if
you
have
to
take
it
their
right
to
have
a
public
records
access
to
a
vote.
J
The
other
council
members
that
really
seems
kind
of
like
a
way
waste
of
their
resources
and
time
if
they're
not
involved,
and
if
you
can
only
do
the
pra
through
the
city
manager.
My
opinion
is
that
that
creates
kind
of
an
opportunity
to
possibly
prevent
information
from
coming
to
light.
It
could
be
abused
or
protect
an
individual
staff
staff
member
or
it
could
be
manipulated
to
reduce
staff
workload
by
disallowing
a
council
member
to
do
a
PRN.
A
You
thank
you,
Mada
City
Kirk,
now
I'm
closing
the
public
comments,
I'm
going
back
to
the
council
for
Council
to
ask
questions
and
make
discussions.
I
I
have
a
proposal
because
I'm
being
how
we're
gonna
move
this
forward
with
discussion
of
each
item
and
I
remembered
mayor
Paul
when
he
did
the
the
housing
element
site
selection,
he
went
to
each
site
and
do
straw
polls
on
council
members.
Do
we
agree
on
this?
Do
we
want
to
add
this?
Do
we
want
to
delete
that?
A
And
when
that
one
side
is
finished,
we
go,
we
went
to
another
site,
it
seemed
to
be
very
efficient
to
me
and
also
very
transparent
that
every
Council
member's
suggestions,
recommendations
are
being
discussed
and
looked
at
I
want
my
fellow
council
members.
Let
me
know
if
that's
a
good
way
to
discuss
this
item,
because
we
do
have
a
lot
of
you
know:
items
to
go
through
or
I'm
open
for
recommendations.
K
Council,
member
from
so
I'd
agree
with
that.
I
would
also
say
that,
if
we're
going
to
start,
we
should
start
from
a
common
Point
of
Departure
and
I
would
suggest
the
most
recent
set
of
revisions,
which
is
reflected
in
the
written
Communications
from
the
city
attorney.
As
of
yesterday.
That
way
we're
starting
from
the
same
departure
point.
L
I
I
wanted
to
start
off
the
discussion
by
making
sure
that
we
and
the
public
are
clear
as
to
what
a
study
session
involves
versus
a
regular
meeting,
because
we've
heard
public
comments
that
we
can
do
certain
things
and
we
cannot
do
certain
things
and
I
was
hoping
I.
Could
we
could
get
a
clarification
from
the
city
attorney?
L
C
C
There
are
no
rules
in
the
brown
act
or
state
law
or
any
City
rule,
either
defining
or
limiting
what
can
be
discussed
in
a
study
session,
the
latest.
It's
simply
a
label
for
convenience,
I,
wouldn't
recommend
agendizing
anything
that
Council
cannot
vote
on.
That
doesn't
mean
that
Council
has
to
vote
on
something
but
I,
don't
think.
I
would
always
recommend
giving
Council
the
option
to
vote
if
it's
ready
to
vote.
A
Okay,
thank
you
attorney,
Jensen,
more
questions
and
yes,
council,
member
ciao,
yeah.
M
So
a
question
about
in
the
I
think
attachment
a
for
this
agenda.
The
council
procedures
does
not
include
the
the
ceremonial
procedure
and
the
mayor's
initiative
item.
C
C
You
know
unless
there's
a
need
for
further
debate.
There'll
just
be
a
clean
full
copy
for
you
to
consider
as
part
of
the
resolution
yeah.
M
So,
thank
you
very
much
for
adding
the
council,
the
ceremonial
procedure
to
the
agenda
title
for
today's
meeting
and,
as
I
said
back
to
the
public,
didn't
even
know
that's
a
new
item,
since
it
was
included
as
an
attachment
for
the
last
meeting,
and
some
items
were
new.
Some
items
were
old.
That
was
confusing,
so
I
think
in
the
future.
We
just
need
to
strive
to
be
more
descriptive
in
what
way
is.
Are
we
approving
so
public
is
not
confused
yeah
and
thank
you
for
taking
making
the
effort
for
that.
M
I
have
a
question
about
the
procedure
in
terms
of
a
lot
of
times
like
last
time.
The
public
has
a
lot
of
comments
or
questions,
and
then
the
mayor
started
with
asking
the
staff
to
answer
questions
by
the
public,
and
then
the
current
procedure
has
five
minute
limit
for
each
council.
Member
then
do
we
count
those
as
part
of
the
council
member
time
when
we
are
asking
staff
to
ask
answer
questions
by
the
public
or
how
do
we
account
for
those.
C
So
the
the
under
the
draft
procedures,
the
council-
has
five
minutes
for
for
questions.
That
time
could
be
extended.
You
know
additional
time
could
be
given
to
council
members
by
the
mayor.
I
think
my
assumption
would
be
that
the
mayor
would
allow
enough
time
for
council
members
to
get
all
their
questions
answered,
so
they
could
make
an
informed
decision.
C
You
know
I
I,
when
when
there's
a
question
from
the
public
that
Council
wants
answered
by
staff,
my
recommendation
would
be
for
Council
to
ask
that
that
specific
question.
So
so
staff
knows
what
information
Council
feels
like
it
needs
to
make
the
decision
you
know.
Often
there
are
good
questions
that
that
members
of
the
public
have
but
I
think
it
makes
would
make
it
easier
for
staff.
If
council
members
repeat
those.
M
Home,
okay,
so
so
many
questions
from
the
public.
The
council
should
repeat
those
questions
and
ask
for
the
staff
to
answer,
and
that
accounts
for
the
five
minutes
that.
C
Would
be
my
recommendation
is
that
that
that
that
that
staff
answers
is,
you
know,
is
answering
council's
questions
that
that,
obviously
you're,
you
know
you're
there
to
represent
the
public
and
if
they
have
questions
that
you
feel
they
need
to
be
answered.
I.
M
C
F
C
To
you
know
when
there
are
questions
from
Council
or
the
public,
and
you
know
I
think
there
could
be
some
flexibility
with
that
and
it's,
but
it
is
not
in
the
procedures
as
drafted.
A
Thank
you
if
I,
because
if
I
know
it's
attachment
C,
that
is
the
the
clean
version
that
that's
how
I
read
it
and.
C
C
M
C
Was
distributed
to
council
but
I
believe
by
the
deputy
clerk
yesterday
and
and
that
it's
also
available
on
the
City
website.
A
Right
so
we
get,
we
got
it
late.
So
do
anybody
want
to
send
to
us
one
more
time
just.
N
You
so
I
am
looking
at
the
written
Communications
version
and
it
refers
to
the
attachments
and
I
I
want
to
clarify
this.
So
we
have
the
ceremonial
correspondence
policy.
Exhibit
a
I
didn't
see
that
in
today's
agenda
packet
and
along
with
exhibit
B,
C,
D
or
E
so
I
have
trouble.
N
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
I'm
going
to
ask
a
question:
if
Mada
city
clerk,
do
you
know
if
there
are
study
sessions
that
excite
remember,
we
did
make
take
actions
and
voted
on
during
study
session,
maybe
I
remembered
incorrectly?
Do
you
have
any
records
that
you
can?
Let
us
know
I.
B
A
Okay,
because
my
Recollections
we've
done
that
before,
but
maybe
I
recollected
wrong,
but
but
now
we
at
least
we
get
the
attorneys.
You
know
advice
that
it
is
not
illegal
or
yes
because
we
publish
it,
it
says,
recommended
action
on
a
special
meeting
or
study
session.
It
is
there,
so
it's
not
that
we
cannot
do
it,
but
may
we
have
not
decided
to
do
it
so
I
I
think
that's
my
understanding.
A
A
M
I
think
I
I
have
sent
some
email
to
the
City
attorney
and
the
city
manager,
but
I
think
they
are
not
shared
with
the
rest
of
the
council
or
the
public
I
pulled
the
Palo
Alto
and
the
diversity
of
Berkeley
Council
procedures.
They
specifically
mentioned
that
study
session.
No
action
will
be
taken.
So
like
a
lot
of
items
on
this
console
procedure,
we
could
be
more
restrictive
so
that
we
are
more
transparent
to
the
public
and
and
then
I
think
a
rolled
up
rice
and
an
email
written
communication
to
the
council.
M
She
pulled
the
all
the
actions
all
the
items
considered
in
study
session
in
the
past
nine
years.
That's
all
the
record
available
in
every
one
of
them.
Action
was
taken
at
a
later
date.
Okay,.
M
Is
there
has
been
no
time
the
city
has
taken
action?
Of
course,
we
can
always
change
that
to
be
less
transparent
to
the
public
from
now
on,
if
we
want
to,
but
we
can
always
drive
to
make
it
clear
from
now
on.
We
don't
take
action
and
we.
K
Can
do
that
too?
Another
question
I
have
under
the.
A
A
Thanks
so
so
that
so
we
can
really
see
everybody's
suggestions
or
recommendations.
We
go
on
each
item,
I
think
it's
really
good.
A
Can
ask
them
first
once
we
you
know
we
go
to
that
item.
We
have
questions
on
that
particular
item.
We
can
discuss
it.
M
A
Study
session-
and
we
have
that
material
from
last
time,
so
I
I
was
under
the
impression
that
if
we
have
questions
we
should
have
send
it
in
already
so.
M
A
Okay,
so
we
come
to
that
item
because
we
will
see
it
in
the
in
the
item
that
refers
to
that.
So
we
can
do
it
at.
C
That
time,
yes,
so
so
so
I
mean
I,
think
it
might
if
there
there
are
a
brief
question
that
the
mayor's
initiative
that's
appropriate,
but
that
is
not
agendized
for
Action.
Today,
that's
a
budget
item
process
item,
that's
included
for
reference.
O
C
Council
would
not
be
able
to
act
on
that
today
if
Council
wants
to
change
that,
it's
certainly
the
opportunity
to
agendaize
it
separately.
Okay,.
A
Already
thank
you
attorney
Jensen,
so
I'm
waiting
for
that
to
download
why
I'm
waiting-
maybe
yes,
please.
M
I'm
very
confused,
so
the
the
mayor's
initiative
item
there
was
so
it
was
attached
in
the
17th
agenda.
You
mean
that
item
there.
It's
not
a
new
procedure.
It
was
I
thought
it
was
changed
from
a
previous
one.
E
N
We
are
not
following
that
resolution
and
and
I
do
believe
it
does
need
to
be
discussed
because
there's
issues
with
regards
to
the
budget,
what
the
resolution
actually
States,
what
the
process
is
supposed
to
be
and
I'm
concerned
that
these
attachments
don't
exist
in
this
particular
agenda
and
exhibit
a
the
ceremonial
correspondence
policy
is,
is
new,
so
I
will
I?
Can
I
can
follow
the
the
the
attorney
with
regards
to
resolution
07-103,
but
because
we
are
adopting
a
policy
manual,
and
that
is
a
resolution
regarding
policy.
I
think
it
is.
N
It
would
be
very
prudent
of
us
to
have
a
discussion
about
that
original
policy,
because
we
are
choosing
to
continue
on
with
it,
but
going
back
to
the
ceremonial
correspondence
policy
with
that
being
brand
new
I
think
it
should
have
been
attached
in
this
in
this
study
session
for
the
public
I
see
that
it's
being
said
that
it's
continued
from
January
17th,
but
I
think
you
know
in
the
future,
and
perhaps
even
for
today
that
these
attachments
should
have
been
made
available.
N
We're
trying
to
establish
trust
and
be
more
transparent,
and
that
would
include
having
having
all
the
attachments
ready
for
the
public
so
that
they
don't
have
to
go
back
in
and
dig
into
the
January's
17th
report.
So
I
think
we
do
need
to
have
a
discussion
about
the
ceremonial
correspondence
policy.
Have
that
brought
up,
and
in
fact
all
of
these
attachments
should
be
part
of
this
discussion
that
we
shouldn't
just
be
approving
attachments
that
we're
not
even
having
any
discussion
on
okay.
A
O
If
I
may
chime
in
a
little
bit
so
it
sounds
like
there's
a
few
point
of
contentions.
I
just
want
to
kind
of
clarify
for
the
record.
First
of
all
study
session
special
meetings.
There
are
terminologies
that
oftentimes
we
use
and
I
apologize
for
the
members
of
public.
This
might
be
foreign
to
you,
but
study
session
is
allowing
the
city,
council
or
elected
bodies
a
possibility
in
a
forum
to
discuss
an
item.
O
The
action
that
city
council
oftentimes
are
asked
to
provide
is
to
provide
a
direction
for
staff
to
move
forward
to
complete
a
program.
One
of
the
most
recent
direction
that
Council
gave
to
staff
was
in
December.
In
regard
to
the
5G
deployment
studies.
City
council
considered
a
study
session
on
how
to
move
forward
on
developing
a
5G
ordinance.
That
was
the
action
city
council
considered
today.
What
city
council's
asked
is
to
review
the
proposed
draft
Council
procedures
and
policies?
O
Should
you
decide
to
move
forward,
staff
will
bring
back
a
resolution
for
you
to
adopt
in
the
following
public
meeting.
That
was
Point
number
one
point
number
two.
These
mayor's
initiative
fund
a
City
attorney
already
mentioned.
It
was
an
adopted
resolution.
I
do
want
to
clarify
to
council
member
Chao,
which
is
the
reason
why
I
could
not
answer
some
of
the
answer.
Questions
that
you
had
raised
in
the
email
I
apologize.
If
you
read
my
email
as
a
disregarding
your
email
that
just
want
to
clarify
number
three.
O
N
Yes,
go
ahead.
I'm
sorry,
I
just
want
to
clarify
the
recommended
action
for
today
is
to
provide
input
regarding
Council
procedures
and
approve
resolution
number
23-021,
adopting
the
procedures
manual,
including
a
new
ceremonial
correspondence
policy
which,
like
I
said,
was
not
included,
so
the
the
recommended
action
isn't
simply
to
provide
input
and
that
we
would
get
a
resolution
some
other
day
in
the
future.
This
recommended
action
is
that
we
would
approve
it
today.
Thank
you.
A
All
right
so
can
I
share
my
documents
in.
M
Today's
agenda,
which
says
the
resolution
hereby
adopt
the
Cupertino
city
council
procedure
manual
attached
here
to
as
a.
C
I
think
the
purpose
of
this
meeting
is
it
what
was
to
go
through
the
the
policy
itself
and
and
resolve
remaining
issues,
so
we
could
bring
a
full
full
version
back
for
Council
review.
You
know,
as
I
said,
I
always
want
to
give
Council
the
opportunity
to
act,
but
I
think
that
that
the
purpose
would
be
served
best
served
by
doing
that.
Okay,.
A
So
I
propose
we
start
with
our
procedure.
Okay,
so
can
anybody
see
my
screen.
A
Oh
perfect,
yes,
thank
you
very
much
so
I
just
want
to
repeat
the
purpose
of
this
manual
is
to
promote
communication,
understanding,
fairness
and
Trust
among
the
members
of
the
city,
council,
City
staff
and
members
of
the
public
concerning
their
roles,
responsibilities
and
expectations
for
management
of
the
business
of
the
city
of
Cupertino
I'm,
going
to
put
just
a
little
bit
of
comment
on
this.
This
actually
is
to
promote
communication.
A
So
this
is
really
so
that
we
can
follow
our
guidelines
and
run
the
business
and
still
have
a
lot
of
public
input,
so
it
the
intention,
really
is
not
to
inhibit
public
input,
it's
actually
to
open
up
for
more
public
input
so
that
people
know
when
and
where
to
come
and
speak
with
to
the
public,
to
the
public
and
to
the
city
council
on
certain
items
so
I'm
going
to
move
to
purpose
1.1.
There
is
a
comment
from
council
member
Moore.
A
N
N
That
makes
me
concerned
I
mean
we
can
come
back
to
this,
but
when
we
get
to
the
end,
if
we
find
that
the
the
the
majority
is
wanting
to
limit
public
comment
limit,
you
don't
want
to
see
one
individual
be
able
to
comment
on
three
items
or
four
items
for
three
minutes
each
because
you
don't
want
to
you.
N
You
want
to
harm
that
person
and
limit
their
ability
to
speak
if
we
get
to
the
end,
and
we
find
that
that's
really
what
this
this
activity
is
about
or
or
to
specifically
Target
former
council
members
who
are
willing
and
knowledgeable
and
want
to
serve
on
commissions,
I
think
that
this
this
purpose
might
need
to
have
some
further
alterations.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
A
So
for
the
moment,
you're
okay,
with
okay,
go
ahead.
L
Or
not,
my
recommendation
is
to
leave
the
language
as
it
is
because
it
it
recognizes
that
members
of
the
public
are
an
integral
part
of
this
whole
discussion.
There's
the
city
council,
there's
the
city
staff
and
members
of
the
public,
so
I
wanted.
The
language
I
think
indicates
their
integral
role
in
in
the
in
the
procedures.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you
and
then
councilmember
Moore
councilmember
child.
Do
you
have
any
recommendations?
Sorry
I
went
too
fast.
A
Of
the
public
okay,
so
it
looks
like
we
are
going
to
leave
the
languages
as
yes,
so
let's
go
to
1.3,
because
there's
nothing
on
1.52
councilmember
child
had
some
recommendations.
Okay,.
M
A
M
So
I
drew
the
language
from
the
municipal
code
that
was
included
in
the
part
of
the
one
of
the
exhibition
in
the
council
procedures,
menu,
Municipal,
Court,
section
2.17.020.
M
It
says
on
the
intent
of
this
section-
is
maintaining
control
and
direction
of
the
city
by
the
city
council
as
a
whole
and
ensuring
that
the
city
council
members
have
free
access
to
the
flow
on
of
any
information
related
to
the
operation
of
the
city.
So
I
thought
it's
good
to
include
that,
as
in
a
in
the
intent
and
purpose
of
the
council
procedures,
menu.
N
K
A
M
Many
of
the
other
items
were
in
the
municipal
code
also
I.
Think
it's
important
in
the
introduction
to
set
on
the
expectation
of
the
its
procedure,
and
especially
since
this
manual
with
all
good
intentions,
was
prepared
by
the
staff,
but
we
are
a
public
agency
serving
the
interests
of
the
public
and
when
it's
buried
in
the
municipal
court,
it's
easy
to
forget
about
that.
M
So
that's
why
it's
important
to
repeat
it
here,
to
highlight
on
in
the
council,
city,
council
and
city
manager,
governance
form,
who
is
in
control
the
city
council,
but
we
are
not
in
control
by
ourselves.
We
are
in
control
because
we
are
elected
by
the
public
and
therefore
we
need
the
free
flow.
Information
is
important
for
the
city
operation.
So
I
think
that's
that's
our
Municipal
Code.
So
why
why?
Why
do
you
think
we
should
not
just
restate
that
because
otherwise,
it's
buried
in
the
the
very
end
of
the
document.
A
M
A
A
N
Please,
okay,
I,
have
a
further
revision
on
this
item
with
regards
to
the
selection
of
the
mayor
and
the
vice
mayor
and
I
would
like
this
to
continue
on
to
selections
of
chairs
and
vice
chairs
of
committees
and
and
commissions
that,
because
I
watched
a
meeting
yesterday,
where
staff
made
a
recommendation
for
a
committee
to
elect
a
point
who
would
be
the
chair
and
the
vice
chair
of
that
committee,
which
is
a
practice
I
have
never
seen
before
in
Cupertino.
N
This
needs
to
be
explicitly
stated
somewhere,
I'm,
not
seeing
it
it
it's
it's
common
practice
that
the
Committees
from
all
the
various
cities
around
us
and
the
and
the
the
councils
that
they
we
decide
who
the
mayor
and
the
vice
mayor
is
and
I
have
never
seen
a
staff
recommendation
and
where
it
becomes
a
problem,
is
that
it
looks
like
there's
a
bias
towards
certain
individuals
by
staff,
and
this
is
supposed
to
be
a
document
which
is
to
promote
communication,
understanding,
fairness
and
trust.
But
the
actions
I've
recently
seen
call
that
into
question.
So.
A
A
C
C
Might
be
better
dealt
with
it
in
a
revision
to
our
commissioner's
manual.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
That's
what
I
thought
and
Vice
America
Mohan,
please!
No
I,
don't
have
any
comments.
Okay,
anyone
has
any
comments.
M
M
A
I
do
believe
Council.
Sorry,
attorney
generally
I
knew
your
question
again.
Our
election
of
mayor's
Vice
Mayors
are
in
our
municipal
code
right
how
we
elect
them
or
what
what's
the
cost?
Do
we
do
customarily
or
is
it
we
do
it
because
we
have
rules
to
follow.
C
So
I,
so
the
municipal
code
does
provide
for
the
appointment
of
the
mayor
as
far
as
the
procedures,
I,
don't
think,
there's
anything.
That's
that's
there's
any
particular
detail
which
is
you
know
what
we're
attempting
to
establish
here.
I
think
the
at
least
you
know
the
last
appointment
occurred
on
it
has
has
I
guess
that
occurred
on
the
Friday,
but
generally
it
occurs
on
the
Thursday
following
election
day,
at
least
during
election
years,
and
so
this
is
just
really
reflecting
that
past
practice.
Okay,.
A
So
I
would
leave
staff
out
of
this,
because
staff
doesn't
appoint
mayonnaise
and
vice
Mayors.
I
do
have
something
to
say
about
this
I
like
to
repeat
this
and
just
I
believe
this
is
public
information.
But
when
I
talk
to
a
lot
of
people
and
I
said
you
know,
in
the
past
five
years
we
have
mayor
Paul,
Mayor,
Scharf,
mayor
sharp
mayor,
Paul,
Mayor
Paul,
it
is
I,
do
believe.
It
is
a
little
strange
to
have
two
council
members
become
Mayors
in
the
five
years.
So
I
am
a
mayor
right
now.
A
I
do
not
want
to
be
another
mayor
in
the
next
year.
I
do
believe
everyone,
that's
elected,
is
capable
to
be
mayor
and
vice
mayor
they
are
elected
by
our
by
everybody
here.
So
that's
what
I
do
believe
that
I
and
I
don't
want
to
be
another
mayor
in
our
town.
I
do
believe
I
need
to
let
my
other
colleagues
be
Mayors.
So
that
is
my
what
I
would
say.
I
agree
with
this
because
and
of
course
our
Council
can
always
change
it.
It
you
know.
A
If
there
is
a
strong
mayor,
we
wanted
them
to
he
or
she
become
a
second
year.
I
I,
there's
nothing
in
here
that
stops
that
council
member
to
elect
mayor
another
time.
This
is
just
a
manual
for
us
to
think
about
it,
and
so
that
is
my
take
on
this.
That's
why
I
approve
this
as
a
current
mayor,
because
I
can
say:
I
want
my
fellow
council
members
to
become
mayor
next
year,
so
that
everyone
is
capable
and
can
take
a
turn
and
have
the
trust
of
the
voters
who
voted
for
them.
N
Thank
you
through
the
mayor,
City
attorney.
Would
you
please
point
to
where
the
selection
of
the
mayor
and
the
vice
mayor
is
in
the
municipal
code?
I
am
unable
to
locate
it
yeah.
N
That
wasn't
clear
from
Mike:
okay,
I
apologize
for
that
all
right!
Thank
you,
okay,
and
because
we
have
now,
as
of
Monday,
seen
that
staff
has
elected
to
give
themselves
permission
to
make
a
recommendation,
a
recommended
action
on
who
the
audit
committee
should
appoint
to
be
their
chair
and
their
Vice
chair.
So
we
have
a
precedent
where
staff
has
decided
that
that
is
going
to
be
their
new
way
of
doing
things,
and
we
have
the
municipal
code
not
providing
a
process.
O
Sure
so
I
I
am
not
the
best
person
to
answer
council
member
Moore's
question,
but
I
do
believe.
There
are
two
different
categories
of
discussion
so
for
audit
committee
there
was
a
recommendation
from
staff
to
facilitate
the
discussion
on
chair,
and
vice
chair
and
I
made
that
point
quite
clear
at
the
audit
committee.
Given
that
there
were
two
brand
new
council
members
appointed
to
audit
committee,
it
was
in
my
mind
a
bit
awkward
to
go
through
the
chair
and
vice
chair
and,
as
I
mentioned,
an
instated
audit
committee
meeting.
O
This
is
Steph's
recommendation
to
go
for
with
a
chair
and
vice
chair.
The
audit
committee
has
all
your
discretion
to
discuss
and
form
a
new
chair
which
they
did
in
the
new
Vice
chair,
which
they
did
based
on
the
audit
committee's
interests.
I,
don't
believe
that
was
that
any
president
for
mayor
and
vice
mayor
election,
going
forward
as
we
don't
have
any
recommended
station.
M
A
O
M
So,
okay
for
this
item,
I
think
I
think
we
have.
We
have
to
trust
the
staff
here.
I,
don't
want
to
I.
Think
we
I
will
trust
the
staff
that
will
be
prudent
and
would
not
be
making
a
written
communicate
recommendation,
which
I
assume
was
what
happened
with
audit
I
didn't
read
the
agenda,
but
I
assume
that
they
will
follow
the
presidents
and
leave
the
selection
of
Mayor
and
vice
mayor
to
the
new
council
members
without
making
any
recommendation
I,
don't
think
we
have
to
write
this
down.
M
A
L
Something
now
I'm
going
to
be
brief
on
this.
My
understanding
is
that
we're
talking
about
the
selection
and
the
of
the
mayor
and
vice
mayor
at
this
point,
because
if
we
are
going
to
address
the
audit
committee
concerns
that
a
council
member
Moore
raised
I'd
like
an
opportunity
when
we
talk
about
the
commissions
and
Commissioners
to
elaborate
my
point
of.
N
Say
yes,
I'm
going
to
just
throw
something
on
the
overhead.
N
M
A
M
Forgot
to
come
in
under
executive
term
of
Mayor
can
I
do
that
now,
so
I
don't
really
have
strong
feelings
about
this
one
way
or
the
other.
However,
I
do
want
to
put
on
the
record.
Many
cities
do
have
Mayors,
who
serve
consecutive
terms,
some
even
like
five
or
ten
years
terms
of
people
who
are
mayor.
It's
just
different
city
have
different
procedure
and
some
some
cities
feel
that's
more
stability
and
I
did
gave
up
my
chance
to
be
the
mayor
and
let
former
mayor
Paul
has
a
second
term.
M
A
Thank
you
councilmember
really
appreciate
your
comment.
So
astroval,
please
councilmember
phone.
M
A
Okay,
thank
you,
nice
to
meet
council
member,
more
okay.
K
So,
let's
again
offer
one
thing
through
the
marriage:
there
is
a
provision
in
this
draft
for
us
to
suspend
the
rules
so
in
the
extraordinary
circumstance
that
you
know,
we
found
ourselves
in
a
situation
where
we
really
wanted
to
have
back-to-back
Mayors
or
back-to-back
Vice
mayors.
That
is
a
possibility
following
that
procedure.
M
Can
I
can
waste
change
shawl
to
shoot
here
so
that
I
think
the
mayor
also
said
that
it's
possible
there
might
be
a
time
we
want
to
change
that.
Then
this
allows
the
future
Council
if
there
is
a
need
to
change
that.
So
it's
not
show
but.
A
I
do
believe
it
is
allowed.
I
was
going
to
council
member
front
if
this
document
has
nowhere
to
stop
the
councils
from
making
exceptions
or
make
a
decision.
M
At
that
time,
what
would
be
the
process
in
case
future
Council
sees
a
need
to
do
that.
C
So,
under
the
the
the
the
the
staff
recommendation,
council
could
suspend
any
rule
in
this
manual
by
a
two-thirds
vote,
so
assuming
all
members
were
voted
that
would
voting.
That
would
require
four
votes.
Thank.
M
C
H
C
In
mind
that
that
any
of
these
rules,
as
proposed
by
staff,
could
be
you
know
overridden
by
you
know
a
super
majority
of
council,
and
so
not
only
can
Council
amend
the
rules
at
any
time,
but
but
but
it
can
choose
to
suspend
them,
so
these
are
not
set
in
stone.
These
are
just
here
to
try
to
make
our
business
run
a
little
more
smoothly.
Yeah.
M
A
A
Oh,
oh,
okay,
sorry
about
that
screen
share
oops!
A
A
A
My
proposal
was
to
delete
for
calls
because
that
seemed
to
have
caused
a
lot
of
questions.
What's
the
cause
and
I
do
believe,
Council
has
its
Authority
with
the
three
major
three
a
majority
affirmative
vote
and
I,
like
the
already
in
the
notice
that
there
are
72
hour
notice
to
the
mayor
or
the
vice
the
mayor.
If
that's
going
to
happen,
so
that
is
my
recommendation.
Now,
let's
go
to
council
member
Charles
because
remember
ciao,
you
want
to
speak
to
to
your
recommendation.
Yeah.
M
I
think
the
property
code
was
on
asking
about:
what's
the
cost,
so
I
looked
other
city
or
board
in
there,
so
this
language
is
extracted
from
other
menus
that
procedures
that
I
found
for
for
a
normal
cause
of
removal.
M
I
think
it
the
benefit
of
having
an
explicit
cause
listed,
is
I've,
seen
political
fights
in
other
city
council
meeting
the
council.
Members
wants
to
censure
each
other
over
political
differences
I.
This
I
hope
that's
not
what
we
will
be
I
think
we
are
very
cordial
and
collaborative
Council
and
especially
under
mayor
ways,
leadership
so
I,
but
then
I
see
that
other
people
could
right.
Now
there
is
cancer
culture.
People
could
get.
L
A
Okay,
so
comments
from
council
member
more.
N
Yeah.
Thank
you.
I
won't
accept
item
D
other
illegal
activities,
because
that
could
mean
you
would
be
removing
them
for
a
speeding
ticket.
Thank
you.
Okay.
A
Council
member
Foon
any
recommendations,
yeah
the.
K
One
thing:
that's
a
good
comment:
I
I
would
like
everyone
to
be
aware
of
with
regard
to
creating
a
a
for
cause.
Requirement
is
just
that
we
do
create
a
legal
cause
of
action,
meaning
that
the
the
mayor
removed
from
the
position
or
vice
mayor
removed
from
the
position
could
take
the
city
to
court
on
the
topic.
I
I
doubt
that
that
would
be
a
winning
case,
but
irrespective
of
that,
it
does
create
a
cause
of
action.
So
we
might
want
to
harmonize
that
by
simply
requiring
a
super
majority.
A
And
so
my
personal
comment
is:
if
we
start
to
lease
costs,
there
is
a
limited
cause
that
some
people
agree
or
disagree.
We
do
leave
to
that
current
Council,
who,
hopefully
that
doesn't
ever
happen,
but
it
when
it
does
happen.
They
have
a
council,
that's
elected
by
the
public,
who
make
comments
who
have
majority
affirmative.
They
are
the
ones
who
decides
whether
that
costs
they
can
debate.
They
can,
you
know,
discuss
deliberate
and
I.
Think
I
want
to
leave
to
that
Council
to
decide
how
to
remove
that
current
mayor.
A
So
this
is
not
for
us
to
is
for
everyone
to
follow,
but
I
would
like
to
leave
it
as
open,
as
we
can
for
the
that
current
Council
to
make
decisions.
That's
why
I
said
delete
for
cause,
because
that
current
Council
would
know
what
they're
going
to
bring
that
up
and
decide
whether
that's
a
cause
or
not,
and
with
a
majority
affirmative
vote
of
the
members
I
do
think
that's
enough
to
take
actions.
A
So
that's
why
I
proposed
what
I
proposed
the
leak
for
cause
and
change
the
majority
firmative
vote
of
the
members
just
to
make
things
easier
again
to
follow
the
comments
from
our
City
attorney,
then
Council
or
this
current
Council.
Okay,
anytime,
make
decisions
not
following
this
proposed
manual.
This
is
just
something
for
Council
to
current
future
Council
to
have
something
to
start
with.
So
that's
why
I
would
like
to
make
it
as
simple
as
possible.
N
Member
more
through
the
through
the
mayor,
I,
have
a
question
for
the
City
attorney.
So
I
understand
that
that
one
of
our
council
members
is
an
attorney
and
what
I
heard
a
few
moments
ago
sounded
like
it
was
treading
into
legal
advice.
So
I
would
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
always
looking
to
you
as
our
City
attorney,
who
is
providing
our
our
legal
advice
on
these
matters.
N
So
there
was
there
was
information
provided
and,
and
it
sounded
like
advice
and
I
want
to
make
it
clear
that
who
you
know
who
we're
supposed
to
be
listening
to,
and
I
would
like
to
hear
your
comments
on
that
matter
as
well,
because
I
I,
like
the
kind
of
the
combination
between
the
vice
mayor's
suggestion
and
council
member
Chows,
and
that
leaving
leaving
for
cause
wide
open
ends
up.
N
Allowing
that
to
be
open
to
abuse
is.
Is
my
concern
so
I'd
like
to
hear
what
you
have
to
say
and
I
think
that
the
other
comments
that
we
had
from
the
vice
mayor
in
the
in
council
member
Chow
are
very,
very
thoughtful
and
specific
and
I.
Think
that
provides
a
layer
of
transparency,
a
level
of
transparency
and
openness
that
you
know,
Fosters
Trust,.
C
Yeah,
so
yes,
so
yeah,
so
of
course,
if
you
know
if
there
was
something
that
was
incorrect,
I
would
have
I
would
have
corrected.
It
I
mean
so
by
creating
a
foreclause
requirement.
There
does
have
to
be.
You
know,
evidence
to
support
the
removal
of
a
mayor
that
could
always
be
that
could
always
be
challenged
in
court.
C
There
has
been,
there
have
been
at
least
one
legal
challenge
that
I'm
aware
of,
and
that's
where
the
the
72
hours
notice
requirement
comes
from,
is
that
you're
required
to
provide
that
there
is
case
law,
says
that
you're
required
to
provide
notice
before
removing
a
a
a
mayor
or
a
vice
mayor
for
cause,
and
so
that's
reflected
in
the
the
staff
recommendation.
A
I'm
so
so
I
do
want
to
make
a
comment
on
council
member
Morris
comment.
We
all
come
with
our
expertise.
A
Councilmember
Froome
is
an
attorney,
but
he
is
you
know
he
can
use
his
expertise
to
say
what
he
believes
in,
but
we
do
yes,
trust
our
City
attorney
that
Jensen
that's
going
to
make
us
give
us
our
legal
advice,
but
if
I
were
a
contractor
and
I
knew
something
that
in
the
construction,
that's
my
expertise
and
you
have
expertise
in
environmental
impact
reports,
so
we
all
use
our
expertise
to
contribute
to
the
council,
so
I
don't
see
anything
appropriate
for
council.
A
M
Go
ahead
mayor,
so
yeah
I
I
would
support
vice
mayor,
mohan's,
Edition,
I
think
illegal
activity,
because
this
is
a
council
procedure
that
as
well
interpreted.
Of
course,
we
are
not
going
to
interpret
a
parking
ticket
or
speeding
ticket
as
the
illegal
activity.
I
think
that's
a
reasonable
understanding
and,
as
the
attorney
has
clarified,
we
always
have
that
authority
to
modify
and
pause
any
of
this
procedure,
as
we
see
need
sorry.
A
Thank
you,
Jensen
can
I,
ask
you
a
question.
Are
you
okay,
with
the
language,
as
stated
by
vice
mayor
Mohan,.
C
A
Thank
you.
So
let's
have
a
strong
vote
council
member
from
which
one
do
you
recommend,
or
you
recommend
the
original
language.
You
can
say
what
you,
your
preferences,
I'm.
M
N
Okay
with
that,
that's
right
and
council
member
Moore
I'm
still
concerned
that
you
know
I,
perhaps
we'll
ask
the
City
attorney
is,
is
getting
a
speeding
ticket
is
that
was
that
illegal
activity?
What's
the
definition
of
illegal
activity.
C
A
Idea
out
there
I'm,
okay
with
it,
because
I
would
think
our
elected
council
members.
We
have
common
sense,
not
to
remove
a
mayor
because
of
a
parking
ticket
or
a
speeding
ticket.
So
so,
let's
move
on.
So
we
are
going
to
put
this
in
the
recommendation.
Let's
move
on
to
3.1,
we
do
have
comments
on
that
council.
Member
ciao
has
comments
on
3.1
I'm,
going
to
let
council
member
Charles
say
it
first
and
then
go
to
council
member
Moore's
comment.
M
M
I
think
I
agree
that
in
the
past
we
have
been
kind
of
informal,
but
I
I
would
like
to
see
that
when
we
form
an
ad
hoc
committee,
we
do
have
more
written
status
and
the
Palo
Alto
require
the
city
manager
to
provide
the
estimation
of
how
much
staff
time
it
will
take
how
many
meetings
I
think
city
manager
Pamida,
has
been
doing
that
with
the
city
hall
subcommittee.
I,
think
that
was
really
good.
So
that's
an
ad
hoc
committee
has
a
final
number
of
meetings
and
ex
and
even
expected.
M
Agenda
for
each
meeting,
so
that
was
very
good
I'm
just
trying
to
clarify
that
and
I
I
think
that
the
city,
as
we
have
the
current
practice,
is
the
council
majority
appoint
the
members
in
a
council
meeting.
Of
course,
mayor
who
prepared
the
agenda
can
always
come
with
the
recommendation,
but
I
think
it's
a.
N
Thank
you
mayor
way,
so
I
was
in,
and
perhaps
I
did
not
understand
this
particular
item
for
these
committees
and
subcommittee's
assignments,
so
I
think
of
it
in
terms
of
we
also
have
our
our
the
the
regional
committees
that
we
are
we
are
assigned
to
as
well
and
I
and
I.
Don't
think
that
we
get
into
that
in
this
particular
procedural
manual.
N
So
I
just
put
everything
when
I'm
saying
the
the
standing
committees
I'm,
including
these
Regional
committees
as
well,
which
is
why
I
would
want
to
have
the
the
consideration
of
the
council
member's
preference
to
be
on
them
or
not,
equitable
distribution.
If,
if
certain
council
members
are
getting
other
certain
positions,
their
their
seniority
experience
and
benefit
to
the
actual
committee
that
you're
assigning
the
individual
to
the
reason
I
bring.
That
up
is
you
know
with
regards
to
like
the
VTA
pack
lost
10
members,
which
is
a
huge
amount
of
turnover.
N
So
there's
that
issue
where
the
consideration
of
that
particular
committee,
it
should
have,
should
have
been
taken
into
account
because
it's
it's
difficult
for
other
agencies
to
then
have
to
bring
a
lot
of
new
people
up
to
speed
and
I
did
like
how
previously
we
would
have
the
nomination
coming
from
this
entire
Council,
rather
than
having
everything
being
dictated
by
the
mayor
in
for
for
every
committee
and
ad
hoc
committee
and
subcommittee
I
felt
like
that
was
putting
too
much
power
into
a
non-elected
mayor,
because
we
are
not
a
direct
election.
N
A
You,
okay,
thank
you.
Councilmember
I'm,
going
to
move
to
the
original
language,
then
move
to
council
member
Charles
promotion
recommendation
so
that
we
can
all
take
a
look
at
it
and
then
I'm
going
to
get
a
straw
vote.
So
this
is
the
original
language.
Oh
council,
member
of
room,
you
want
to
say
something:
no,
okay
and
then
this
is
council.
Member
Charles
comments
recommendation,
and
this
is
council,
member
Moore
recommendation.
So
may
I
have
a
struggle
council,
member
from.
M
I,
like
my
language
of
course,
and
comment,
I
think
it's
related
to
the
original
assignment
that
that's
not
addressed
in
this
item.
Vice.
A
N
Member
Moore,
okay,
just
to
clarify
through
the
mayor,
councilmember
Chao,
you
agreed
with
your
own
language.
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct!
Okay!.
M
We
never
gave
the
mayor
the
authority
to
appoint
members
to
the
Civil
committee
or
ad
hoc
committee
before
it
was
always
put
on
the
council
agenda
and
approved.
The
mayor,
of
course,
always
can
make
a
recommendation
and
they
usually
do
and
I
think
that
should
stay
it,
but
the
way
it's
written
now,
it's
very
odd
that
the
mayor
appoint
and
then
the
council
rectified.
That's
never
something
we
have
done
that
I
think
we
shouldn't
change
that.
A
So
we
may
ask
a
City
attorney
a
question
so
when
it
says
the
council
at
the
next
meeting
to
ratify
the
council,
can
always
vote
to
change
it
right.
That's.
C
A
Okay,
so
so
I'm,
okay
with
the
language,
because
it
doesn't
give
the
mayor
ultimate
authority
to
appoint
or
assign,
because
the
council
still
gets
to
to
do
it
then.
M
What
do
you
think
we
just
make
it
clear
that
the
council
will
approve
the
appointment
with
recommendation
by
the
mayor?
That's
more
clear,
that's
our
current
practice
is.
A
So
City
attorney
is
there
any
difference
in
the
language
proposed
by
council
member
more
than
Senator
member
John
in
this
one.
C
The
the
the
only
deception
to
difference
would
be
that
right.
Ratification
that
the
the
appointed
member
could
assume
their
duties
immediately
as
opposed
to
waiting
for
Council
approval.
But
you
know
either
one
either
one
is,
is
an
acceptable
and-
and
both
are
common
ways
to
to
handle
commission
and
committee
appointments
so
or
at
least
committee
appointments.
Not
so
much
commission
appointments
so
so
it
would
be
up
to
council
to
decide
whether
it
which,
which
it
preferred.
A
Okay,
so
the
only
difference
if
I
understand
correctly,
is
by
ratification.
The
the
appointed
council
member
can
start
right
away
or
while,
if
we
say
approved,
they
cannot
take
the
position
until
at
a
regular
meeting
or
a
council
meeting
that
they
prove
it
is
that
did
I
am
I
getting
correctly.
That's
the
difference,
correct!
Okay,
thank
you.
N
I
just
want
to
make
a
point
about
what
the
Optics
of
the
the
procedural
manual
as
written
for
3.1
will
look
like
okay.
So
if
we
say
we
would
like
to
have
a
subcommittee
to
do
look
at
this
seismic
retrofit
that
perhaps
is
needed
at
this
bridge.
Something
like
that.
We
will
be
sitting
at
the
council
and
the
the
mayor,
whoever
it
is
at
any
time
will
be
the
person
saying:
okay,
I,
appoint
so
and
so
and
so
and
so
to
be
on
that
subcommittee.
And
then
we
wait
for
the
next
meeting.
N
So
I
I,
don't
like
the
Optics
of
that
I,
wouldn't
want
to
be
part
of
that
myself.
I
would
want
my
Council
as
a
team
to
use
the
knowledge
they
have
in
order
to
nominate
who
who
they
would
like.
You
can
have
substitute
motion
and
make
that
selection.
So
with
that
I
I
support
council
member
Chow's
suggestion
for
the
replacement
on
of
section
3.1.
N
M
M
Then
we,
if
we
don't,
take
my
recommendation,
it
will
be
committee
that
has
no
written
scope.
No
staff,
estimation
of
time,
and
already
we
want
the
mayor
to
talk
to
two
other
council
members
outside
of
the
council
meeting
about
appointing
them
to
a
committee
that
the
mayor
will
try
to
appoint
them
without
having
substantive
discussion.
M
C
C
So
this
is
console
organizing
its
own
operations,
so
it
this
is
this.
This
is
a
guide
for
Council
to
decide
how
it
wants
to
govern
itself.
This
doesn't
limit
public
input.
This
determines
who,
on
Council,
will
be
working
on.
What,
in
this
particular
provision,
there
are
Provisions
in
section
3.2
that
set
instructions
and
expectations
for
committees,
so
certainly
it
and
those
make
it
clear
that
the
Committees
this
committees
are
subcommittees.
Jurisdictions
should
be
defined
in
writing
and
that
would
have
to
be
approved
by
Council.
C
A
I
have
a
question
to
follow.
Council
member
Moore's
question
is
at
the
next
regular
meeting,
because
I
do
know
that
sometimes
we
us,
if
we
do
a
subcommittee
at
that
meeting,
we
would
you
know,
ask
for
volunteers
or
and
then
vote
for
it.
So
is
there
any
way
we
can
say
at
the
current
at
that
meeting
or
the
next
regular
meeting
so
that
we
don't
impede
on
you
know
having
to
wait
until
the
next
meeting
to
rectify
it.
A
So
yeah
so
councilmember
asked
that
question
and
she
doesn't
want
to
wait
until
the
next,
for
example.
Right
now
we
say:
oh,
let's
do
a
subcomm,
you
need
to
do
certain
things
and
then
we
have
two
council
members.
You
know
being
nominated
and
or
appointed
and
then
everybody
approved
it.
But
can
we
approve
it
at
that
time
or
we
have
to
wait
until
the
next
regular
meeting
to
approve
it.
C
So
so,
under
the
under
the
procedure
as
drafted,
what
would
happen
is
Council
would
vote
from
a
subcommittee.
The
mayor
would
at
some
point
not
necessarily
during
the
meeting
request
to
council
members
to
serve
if
it
were
an
ad
hoc
subcommittee
that
was
limited
to
two
members
and
and
then
that
would
come
back
to
a
council
for
ratification
at
the
next
regular
meeting,
where
there
would
be
an
opportunity
for
Council
to
to
review
the
marriage
decision
and
for
the
public
to
comment
on
it.
A
C
Said
if,
if
Council
wants
that
process
done
in
public,
they
should
adopt
a
rule
that
has
that
process
done
in
public
and
and
and
and
both
are
acceptable
ways
of
of
Staffing
commissions
and
committees.
Okay,.
N
More
okay,
so
through
the
mayor,
if
I
understand
correctly,
we
have
a
majority
of
council
agreeing
that
the
mayor
can
and
go
in
the
parking
lot
and
ask
a
couple
of
council
members
to
serve
on
standing
and
ad
hoc
committees
and
subcommittees
if
I'm,
understanding
that
correctly.
C
M
So
let
me
understand
so
usually
we
form
a
subcommittee,
not
usually
we
have
to
form
a
subcommittee
by
Council
Direction
at
on
the
dice,
and
sometimes
we
as
part
of
the
motion
we
already
assigned
to
council
member
on
those
subcommittee
that
can
be
done
in
the
same
on
the
same
day
right
when
we
form
the
subcommittee,
but
sometimes
we
forgot
to
assign
or
didn't
assign
for
whatever
reason,
and
if
the
mayor
sees
the
need
to
start
this
committee
to
meet
immediately
before
the
next
regular
meeting.
The
mayor.
M
This
item
will
allow
the
mayor
to
co-op
to
council
member
and
say
you
should
start
meeting
now
we'll
Rectify
this
in
the
next
regular
meeting.
So
that's
what
this
item
would
do
and
I
don't
see.
There
is
like
a
really
urgent
need
for
this
at
all.
Maybe
we
should
just
struck
the
whole
item
and
then
have
the
council
approve
the
appointment
as
we
usually
do.
If
we
just
drag
the
whole
item,
the
council
will
still
then
appoint
the
Indian
whenever
we
schedule
an
item
on
the
agenda
right.
C
So
so,
for
the
vast
majority
of
appointments,
this
is
not
going
to
make
any
difference
in
in
the
procedure
either.
The
mayor.
The
current
practices
is
that
the
mayor
typically
recommends
both
council
members
to
serve
both
on
standing
and
ad
hoc
committees
at
council,
at
least
in
my
experience,
usually
agrees
with
those
those
recommendations.
I
think
the
exception
would
be
when
there's
an
ad
hoc
committee
formed
and
Council
appoints
members
from
the
diocese,
but
again
either
is
a
is
a
completely
acceptable
way
of
managing
council's
Affairs
and
and
and
saying
so.
M
So
the
better
practice
is
for
the
council
to
just
follow
the
current
procedure,
make
appointments
as
part
of
a
regular
agenda
item
or
a
special
meeting
agenda
item,
whether
when
but
this
item,
maybe
we
should
clarify
fight
that
that
normally
the
major
make
a
recommendation.
An
appointment
will
be
appointed
as
and
at
the
time
when
committees
are
formed
or
at
a
later
agenda
council
meeting
and
when
there
is
urgency
and
the
the
mayor
could
point
to
council
members
to
it
at
the
heart
committee
and
have
the
recommendation
ratified
in
the
next
regular
skill.
M
C
So
yeah
so,
and
if
if
if
council
is
concerned
about
that
perception
and
then
they
could
certainly
adapt
changes
to
the
proposed
rules
to
address
that
perception.
A
So,
just
to
follow
the
question
again,
I
want
to
emphasize
and
make
sure
I'm
correct
that
nothing
in
this
one
in
this
manual
prohibits
the
current
the
console
to
make
decisions.
Otherwise,
for
example,
if
we
had
a
hot
committee
at
that
time,
the
council
said:
oh,
let's
appoint
it
and
just
want
to
clarify
that
I'm
not
going
to
argue
about
it
just
say:
is
that
a
clarification
that
I
understand
correctly.
C
Yeah
so,
to
the
extent
that
that
that
there's
a
need
to
override
a
a
procedure
that
that
could
be
always
be
done
by
you
know,
four
council
members
thank.
A
You
sorry,
okay,
so
I
would
like
to
move
on
and
hear
a.
M
M
C
I
think
that
there's
a
number
of
ways
that
that
could
be
addressed,
Council
I
mean
council,
could
certainly
make
you
know,
recommendations
for
appointment
by
motion
when
things
are
when
items
are
considered,
council
could
override
the
rules
and
to
direct
the
mayor
to
appoint
somebody.
You
know,
I,
don't
think
that
that's
going
to
be,
if
Council
recommends
that
certain
you
know
that
certain
members
be
appointed
I,
don't
think
that's
going
to
create
any
problems,
because
Council
has
to
approve
the
appointments
anyway,.
M
C
M
That
what
yours,
you
just
said,
makes
more
sense
if
that's
3.1,
which
is
the
console,
can
appoint
to
members
to
the
subcommittee
as
part
of
the
motion.
When
the
committee
is
formed,
and
then
the
council
can
also
direct
the
mayor
to
appoint.
M
C
So
you
know
to
the
extent
that
there's
a
different
procedure
that
Council
would
like
to
use
for
ad
hoc
committees,
because
certainly
I
think
I
I
mean
I,
don't
think,
there's
really
any
difference
in
for
for
Stan
the
standing
committees
that
are
appointed
annually
between
this
and
our
current
procedure,
but
to
the
extent
there's
a
different
procedure
that
Council
would
like
to
use.
I
could
certainly
incorporate
those
any
revisions
that
Council
can
agree
upon
into
a
revised
draft.
C
I,
don't
think
it's
changing
that
I,
don't
think
the
substance
there'll
be
very
much
difference
with
that,
because
those
are
appointed
annually
and
and
and
and
and
and
again
they'll,
be
voted
on
by
Council.
A
May
I
make
a
little
revision.
Maybe
we
I
would
propose.
This
is
my
proposal,
nobody
to
remove
the
ad
hoc
committee,
the
council
members
to
the
standing
and
subcommitting.
If
that's,
what
usually
is
on
the
on
the
list
and
just
remove
the
ad
hoc
committees,
that
would
be
my
proposal
and
so
now,
let's
make
a
strong
vote.
So
I
I
have
my
proposal
to
remove
the
actual
committee
and
we
have
council
member
Charles
proposal
right
here
and
we
have
council
member
Morris
proposal
right
here.
So
can
we
make
a
straw
vote?
N
Oh
come
on
Memorial
yeah,
yes,
thank
you.
I
just
want
to
just
go
back
to
the
purpose.
Is
the
purpose
of
the
manual
is
to
promote
communication,
understanding,
fairness
and
Trust
among
the
members
of
the
city,
council,
City
staff
and
members
of
the
public?
Okay,
so
I
feel
that
if
you
have
just
the
mayor
making
these
appointments,
whether
they
are
in
the
parking
lot
or
over
at
a
restaurant,
that
that
is
not
following
what
this
procedural
manual
is
about,
I
would
want
these
decisions
to
be
made
on
the
dice.
M
N
A
Yes,
so
let
me
I
would
like
to
put
a
little
comment
on
council
member
was
coming
standing
committee
and
subcommittees
have
always
been
on
the
list
with
the
Regional
committees
that
the
mayor
had.
You
know,
taken
priorities
and
and
work
on
it
and
I.
Think
it
mayor
Paul.
Did
it
mayor
sharp,
did
it
so,
according
to
what
that
that
is
my
understanding,
but
at
her
committee
I
think,
is
a
little
different
is
when
we
decide
to
have
a
subcommunity.
A
So
that
is
my
understanding,
but
you
guys
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
So
that's
so
I
propose
to
put
the.
M
So
my
understanding
of
the
current
or
previous
committee
assignment
process
has
always
been.
Yes,
all
the
council
members
have
made
your.
M
To
the
mayor,
the
mayor
makes
a
recommendation
not
assignment,
but
then
that
recommendation
is
approved
by
the
council.
The
council
still
wrote
on
it.
It's
the
same
procedure.
It's
different
from
the
proposed
here,
the
proposed
according
to
the
City
attorney.
Is
that
exception
when
you
really
need
something
that
you
cannot
wait
for
the
next
regular
meeting
for
the
council
to
vote
on,
then
the
mayor
could
appoint
someone
to
an
ad
hoc
committee.
Then
the
council
ratified
later
that's.
Why
I'm
trying
to
distinguish
between
the
rule
and
the.
C
N
But
okay
I'm
just
a
clarification,
so
the
the
subcommittees.
For
instance,
the
the
there
was
a
gosh,
a
a
grant
subcommittee
that
myself
and
the
vice
mayor
grant
funding
subcommittee
that
we
served
on.
We
also
were
looking
at
a
fee,
Festival
a
festival
fee
waiver
subcommittee.
There
was
a
a
city
hall
subcommittee,
those
were
all
decided
by
votes
of
the
collective
Council,
so
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
there
was
a
statement
about
ad
hoc
committees.
N
One
ad
hoc
committee,
which
we
have
had,
which
was
really
needing
to
be
a
standing
committee,
was
the
economic
development
committee
and
I,
don't
know
of
of
of
of
others
that
fall
under
that
heading.
At
this
time,
perhaps
the
fiscal
accountability
committee
I
believe
it
was
called
so
I
I
go
back
to
to
having
my
preference
for
council
member
Chows
suggestion.
A
Okay,
so
councilman
Memorial
votes
for
council
member
Charles
and
vice
and
councilmember
is
good
with
the.
I
M
A
I
am
okay
with
the
current
language,
because
I'm
going
to
trust
city
managers
statements
that
it's
really
not
a
bigger
difference
and
then
the
council
can
you
know
at
that
time?
Whatever
counselor
wants
to
make
decision,
they
can
always
have
a
decision
made
so.
O
I
suggest
a
maybe
a
five
minute
recess.
We've
been
going
on
for.
A
N
So
my
comment
is
simply
to
make
sure
that
we
have
reports
or
minutes
coming
from
the
Committees
and
the
subcommittees
so
that
we
get
to
hear
what
they
are
doing
so
often
and
you've
probably
seen
this
at
other
at
other
committees
out
the
regional
committees.
You'll
have
reports
to
that
committee,
for
instance
from
VTA
pack,
the
the
chair
of
the
pack.
N
A
You
and
anyone
accommodations
on
any
other
input
from
Council
Members
I
like
to
not
have
everything
in
writing
when
there
is
a
recommendation
to
be
made
in
writing,
because
I
did
go
to
a
lot
of
Council
meetings
and
report
back
I.
Think
an
oral
report
would
do
for,
for
example,
a
Silicon
Valley
clean
energy.
Sometimes
has
you
know
actually
has
this
these
that
they
put
on
next
door
and
a
simple
report
in
during
our
Council
report
meeting
would
be
would
be
good.
A
But
if
there
is
a
recommendation
for
the
council
to
take
actions,
I
think
that
needs
to
be
in
writing.
I,
don't
think
everything
needs
to
be
in
writing
that
just
my
personal
guys,
I'm,
okay,
let's
take
a
strong
vote,
any
or
more
comments,
because
remember
ciao.
A
M
M
A
Because
remember
vice
mayor.
L
I
thought
it'd
be
just
leave
out
or
rephrase
it
to
say
these
reports
or
minutes
shall
be
made
in
writing.
You.
L
I
wanted
to
leave
it
a
little
more
open
and
say
when
the
the
reports
or
minutes
of
these
subcommittees
or
Council
committees,
when
they
feel
it's
warranted,
that
that
a
report
needs
to
be
made
to
the
council.
That's
when
it
should
be
made,
and
not
necessarily
with
the
recommendation
or
without
recommendation.
N
Mayor
Ray,
so
you're
saying
everything
should
be
in
writing.
I'm
saying
you
make
a
make
a
report
on
the
actions
of
that
of
that
committee
or
the
subcommittee
so
that
you're
keeping
the
council
informed
of
what's
what's
going
on.
It's
not
looking
for
a
a
book
report,
so
I'm
just
looking
for
a
few
bullet
points.
What
what
happened?
It's
the
same
thing
that
you're
you
know
you!
N
We
make
an
oral
report
at
Council
and
it
would
be
better
if
we
had
prepared
and
advanced
and
have
those
reports
available
so
that
members
of
the
public
know
what's
going
on
at
the
other
meetings
and
we
we're
being
a
more
accountable
and
transparent.
A
About
these
other
places,
I
would
like
to
make
it
more
flexible
because
sometimes
we're
doing
writing.
Sometimes
it's
simple
report
we
just
we
pour
out
so
I
would
I
would
agree
with
the
current
recommendation
is
good,
so.
M
A
Meeting
we
we
have
majority
to
approve
the
yeah,
so
let's
take
a
five
minute
break
because
I
think
we're
two
hours
into
it.
Okay,
thank
you.