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Coverage of the January 25, 2022 Cupertino Planning Commission Teleconference Meeting.
A
A
C
Good
evening,
fine
citizens
of
cupertino-
this
is
the
city
of
cupertino
planning,
commission
meeting
for
tuesday
january
25th
2022
and,
as
you
know,
in
accordance
with
government
code
5954953e,
it's
a
teleconference
meeting
without
a
physical
location.
So
if
you
wish
to
comment,
you
can
email
comments
by
5
pm
on
tuesday,
as
you
know,
to
planning
commission
cupertino.org
email
comments
during
the
times
for
public
comment
during
the
meeting
to
the
commission
at
planning
commission
at
cupertino.org
and
the
staff
liaison
will
read
the
emails
into
the
record
and
display
any
attachments
for
up
to
three
minutes.
C
Of
course
you
can
also
use
teleconference
and
folks,
using
following
along
here
on
zoom
and
in
the
teleconference
of
course
raise
your
hands,
and
we
will
call
on
you
with
that.
Let's
go!
Do
a
roll
call!
Sarah
over
to
you.
F
C
Okay,
well
welcome
everybody.
We've
done
our
roll
call,
let's
get
to
the
approval
of
the
minutes.
So
item
number
one
approval
of
january:
11,
planning.
Commission
me:
it's
recommendation
action
approved
january
11th,
planning,
commission
minutes,
so
take
a
chance!
Look
at
the
draft
minutes.
If
you
get
a
moment
and
of
course,
if
someone
wants
to
make
a
motion
to
approve,
please
do
so.
G
C
E
E
I
believe
that
dates
were
changed
for
the
mayor's
meeting.
For
me
I
noticed
the
I
was
put
in
on
october,
although
I'm
fine,
but
that's
a
change.
What
we
agreed
upon
in
the
meeting.
C
E
C
That
I
don't
know
either
syrah
can
we
make
those
corrections
and
just
leave
that
as
amended,
we'll
get
the
right
dates
for
commissioner
kapil.
C
All
right,
I
guess
the
motion
with
amended
changes
in
terms
of
the
dates
for
the
present
for
the
mayor's
meeting.
We'll
do
that
and
add
that
all
right,
let's
call
for
a
vote.
E
H
C
We
don't
see
any
postponements
until
we
get
to
the
fun
part
of
the
meeting
oral
communications.
This
portion
of
the
meeting
is
reserved
for
persons
wishing
to
address
the
commission
on
any
matter
within
the
jurisdiction
of
the
commission
and
not
on
the
agenda.
You've
got
three
minutes
and
in
most
cases,
state
law
will
prevent
the
commission
from
making
any
decisions
with
respect
to
a
matter
not
on
the
agenda.
So
if
you've
got
a
question,
you've
got
a
comment.
Please
join
us
raise
your
hands.
We
our
first
one,
is
jenny.
I
Thank
you.
Can
you
all
hear
me.
I
Yes,
thank
you,
mary.
Merry
christmas,
sorry
happy
new
year
and
happy
new
year
again
to
everyone
celebrating
anyway,
with
the
new
year,
we
have
a
new
legislative.
I
The
season
in
sacramento
politicians
have
come
back
to
sacramento
or
holland
kicking
from
home,
we're
not
sure,
but
there
is
a
bill
called
ab1401
by
laura
friedman
from
southern
california,
which
is
essentially
going
to
limit
parking
across
the
state
parking
limits.
This
one
was
introduced
last
year
and
it
wound
its
way
through
the
houses
chambers,
and
I
think
it
was
put
on
as
a
two-year
bill,
so
it
will
not
be
taken
up
again
into
perhaps
june
may
june
july.
I
don't
want
people
to
forget
about
this
bill.
I
I
I
hope
that
this
bill
is
not
just
pushed
along
and
like
the
public,
is
not
allowed
to
speak
on
it
and
then
it's
passed
by
everyone
and
the
governor
signs.
It
that's
the
way.
Sb
9
and
10
went,
but
this
one.
We
need
to
have
vigorous
discussion
because
we
are
seeing.
We
are
living
with
sb9
and
sb10
now,
and
it
will
forever
change
the
way
politics
are
happening
in
oregon,
washington
and
california,
and
and
1401
is,
is,
is
like.
We
fell
over
the
ledge
into
the
rabbit
hole
we
have
to.
I
The
public
has
to
have
a
say
in
this.
I
can,
I
will
repeat
it,
the
public
has
to
have
a
say
in
it.
We
are
stakeholders
and
I
hope
that
when
1401
comes
along
that
it
will
not
just
be
signed
and
passed
by
the
governor
like
nine
and
ten,
were
I
intend
to
voice
my
displeasure,
but
thank
you
very
much.
C
Thank
you
very
much
appreciate
your
comments.
Anyone
else
with
any
comments
would
like
to
join
us.
Please
raise
your
hand
and
zoom.
You
can
find
that
under
ray's
hand
or
another
comment
section,
and
we
will
give
you
three
minutes.
C
C
All
right
study
session
housing
element,
update,
study
session,
focusing
on
the
establishment
of
a
housing,
site's
inventory
and,
of
course,
recommended
action
that
the
planning
commission
receive
the
report
and
present
and
provide
input
to
the
staff
on
the
housing
element.
Priority
housing
sites
inventory.
Let's
turn
that
over
to
you,
pio.
G
Good
evening
planning
commission,
I
did
want
to
introduce
you
to
our
city
city
team
with
that
is
leading
the
housing
element
update
process.
We
have
a
new
planner
here
today.
Luke
connolly
he's
our
senior
planner.
He
comes
with
the
vast
variety
of
experience
from
various
other
communities
and
we're
very
lucky
to
have
him
here.
He
is
actually
spearheading
our
housing
element
update
process
with
a
lot
of
support
from
existing
staff
that
we
have.
G
We
have
john
martier
a
senior
pioneer
and
eric
aveda,
our
associate
planner
we're
also
assisted
in
this
effort
by
our
planning
consultant,
emc
planning
group.
We
have
andy
flower
here
tonight
to
help
us
leave
that
discussion,
they're,
actually
the
ones
who
are
going
to
be
presenting
tonight
and
in
addition
to
andy,
we
also
have
david
massington.
G
He
is
an
architect
as
a
sub-consultant
for
the
emc
group
who
will
lead
us
through
those
discussions
about
you
know,
what's
a
good
site
for
housing,
where
could
it
be
cited,
etc
and
without
further
ado,
I
will
pass
the
baton
on
to
andy
and
our
city
staff
is
available
for
any
questions.
J
J
Our
agenda
will
begin
with
talking
about
housing
element
and
just
have
a
brief
overview
and
and
the
arena
numbers
we'll
then
move
on
to
potential
existing
sites
and
with
our
equity
focus,
we'll
look
at
an
overlay
of
the
images
shared
with
the
agenda
packet
tonight
of
the
first
five
maps
and
then
we're
open,
of
course,
to
questions
and
feedback.
J
I
wanted
to
first
discuss
the
roles
so,
as
we
put
together
the
document,
the
plan
will
of
course,
first
come
to
it'll,
be
reviewed
by
the
housing
commission
for
for
initial
analysis
and
and
then
it'll
be
brought
to
the
planning
commission
for
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council.
Where
it
will
then
once
it's
adopted,
it
will
then
go
to
the
state
housing
community.
J
J
We'll
then,
put
our
put
our
focus
on
the
zoning
and
land
use
that
may
need
to
be
changed
in
order
to
be
ready
for
bringing
everything
across
the
finish
line.
At
the
same
time,
we'll
then
be
bringing
forward
a
sql
draft
and
then
for
the
environmental
studies
and
we're
hoping
to
have
public
hearings
in
late
fall
early
winter
for
hcd
submittal
in
january
of
2023.
J
J
So
what
is
rina?
It
may
well
be
that
all
the
commissioners
here
tonight
already
know
what
this
is,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
anyone
watching
will
be
able
to
learn
and
join
our
process
and
contribute
to
the
plan.
So
regional
housing
needs
allocation
and
we
pronounce
it
rena,
and
this
is
the
number
of
homes
needed
now
and
through
the
eight
year
cycle
of
of
this
housing
element.
J
J
Department
of
housing,
community
development,
and
specifically
here,
are
the
arena
numbers
for
cupertino,
so
we're
looking
at
1193,
very
low
income
units,
687
low
income
units,
755,
moderate
income
units
and
1953
above
moderate
income,
with
a
total
of
four
thousand
five
hundred
eighty
eight,
and
we
can
see
with
the
percentages
here
that
as
far
as
the
way
that
these
are
dispersed,
it's
pretty
much
online
with
both
the
county
and
the
bay
area.
J
Certainly,
certainly
the
full
number
4
400
excuse
me.
441
176,
that
gets
assigned
through
hcd
and
abag
then
assigns
the
numbers
specifically
to
the
109
jurisdictions
within
the
bay
area,
and
there
is
copious
information
about
how
they
come
to
that
conclusion,
and
the
group
of
people
who
make
up
a
bag
are
selected
from
throughout
the
region,
and
I
believe
we
have
links
to
all
of
that
on
our
on
our
website.
At
engagecuppertino.org.
J
And
to
give
a
little
bit
of
context
about
what
this
means,
who
this
matters
to
and
who
would
be
living
in
these
housing
units
when
we
talk
about
low
income,
if
it's,
if
it's
a
single
person
household,
that
person
would
be
earning
around
82
450.-
and
you
can
see
within
this
table
that
maybe
our
assumption
about
what
would
be
understood
as
a
a
low
income.
Salary
is
maybe
a
little
different
than
than
what
is
in
reality
for
for
santa
clara
county.
F
J
F
J
J
Okay,
so,
even
though
those
additional
people,
if
you
had
a
two-parent
household,
of
course
the
kids
aren't
bringing
in
money,
but
there
is
an
assumption
that
that
the
household
would
would
need
more
money.
Yeah.
K
E
So
there
is
a
question
here:
the
less
than
80
percent
of
area
median
income
is
that
correlated
to
the
number
of
people
in
households
or
is
it
is
static
number
and
which
you
basically
compare
against
as
the
number
of
people
in
the
household
increases,
as
you
notice
in
the
previous
slide,
I
just
thought
in
the
previous
one:
oh
yeah,
next
one.
I
think
the
one.
E
E
Is
it
for
a
equivalent
comparison
for
a
one
person
household
income,
or
is
it
a
static
number
which
you
compare
against,
irrespective
of
the
number
of
people
in
the
household.
F
J
Is
the
ami
fixed?
Well,
the
ami
is
updated
on
a
regular
basis,
so
this
is
specific
to
the
year
2021.
But
then
the
ami
is
proportional
to
the
number
of
people
who
are
in
the
household.
So
just
like
you
see
the
numbers
here
that
the
full
ami
is
proportional
in
in
the
very
same
way.
E
So
if
I
read
this
for
a
household
of
eight
people,
155
000
450
will
be
the
equivalent
number
for
eighty
percent.
G
J
So
as
as
we
begin,
our
discussion
tonight
about
site
inventory,
you're
gonna
notice
that
well,
you
may
not
notice
tonight,
but
certainly
at
our
next
meeting,
when
we
really
start
to
escape
numbers
with
with
specific
sites,
we're
going
to
go
over
that
4588
number
for
for
a
number
of
good
reasons.
J
Early
on
in
the
process
like
we
are
now
and
part
of
that
is
that
hcd
recommends
it
and
they
recommend
it
for
reasons
that
are
one
of
the
reasons
is
that
it
benefits
the
city
so
within
this
eight-year
cycle,
because
we
need
to
be
so
specific
with
each
individual
site
if
a
site
does
get
developed
and
it
maybe
doesn't
include
as
much
affordable
housing
or
low-income
housing,
as
was
intended.
J
If,
if
that
happens
often
enough,
there
would
potentially
be
a
need
for
a
mid-cycle
reassessment
and
possible
re-evaluation
that
could
be
costly,
time-consuming
and,
and
it
sort
of
opens
up
this
whole
process
all
over
again.
So
if
we
have
enough
of
a
buffer
where,
if
one
site
is,
has
some
flexibility
and
the
next
site
makes
up
for
it,
then
that's
one
reason.
J
Another
reason
is
because
we're
early
in
the
process
right
now
we
sort
of
have
everything's
on
the
table
approach
so
that
you'll
see
one
of
our
maps
includes
some
of
the
most
basic
criteria,
which
is
a
size
of
a
of
a
property.
J
So
if,
if
we
are
as
inclusive
as
possible
now
for
any
site
that
may
be
become
part
of
our
site's
inventory
list
at
the
end,
then
we
have
flexibility
for
those
sites
that,
for
the
most
importantly,
if
if
a
property
owner
has
no
interest
in
developing
a
site,
then
we
don't
want
to
include
that
site
at
all.
There's
there's
a
much
higher
bar
in
this
cycle
for
hcd
to
have
a
clear
understanding
about
things
like
long-term
leases.
J
Oh
well
sure,
just
one
last
reason
that
we're
wanting
to
have
such
a
wide
net
for
sites
early
on
is
that
we
are
incorporating
this
into
our
mapping
program
that
we've
begun
with.
It's
called
the
balancing
act
with
cupertino
housing
simulator
and
in
our
next
generation
we're
going
to
be
much
more
site
specific.
J
C
So
andy,
just
in
your
professional
judgment,
given
the
lawsuit
that's
being
filed
about
the
audit
to
hcd
for
having
inflated
numbers,
given
the
decline
in
population
in
california
and
some
other
factors
that
are
going
on
is
that
15
to
30
buffer
warranted.
Because
in
each
cycle
we
have
been
seeing
an
increasing
tightening
of
the
screws
on
the
cities
in
terms
of
the
numbers
need
to
produce
and
if
we
put
out
30
and
we
really
need
50
as
a
buffer,
then
the
next
cycle
it
just
is
like
we're
a
gerbil
in
a
wheel.
J
Well,
I
understand
your
concern.
One
piece
of
good
news
is:
we
are
just
creating
capacity
for
the
housing,
it
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
the
housing
will
get
built,
and
one
other
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is.
J
Incorporated
into
the
assessment
by
a
bag
with
each
cycle
is
an
understanding
of
the
number
of
housing
units
that
have
been
constructed
within
the
previous
cycle,
so
when
a
community
maybe
has
has
the
ability
or
the
good
fortune
or
the
synergy
so
that
housing
gets
built
in
addition
to
that
basic
number
of
rena,
then
that
gets
that
becomes
part
of
the
process
and
the
analysis
for
the
next
round
of
numbers.
J
So,
if
anything
that
would
and
I've
seen
this
happen
in
another
community
that
we're
working
with
they
were
able
to
construct
in
excess
of
the
very
low
income
units
that
they
that
were
part
of
their
last
round
agreement.
So
this
round
they
have
fewer
units
that
they
need
to
produce.
C
J
J
But
it
is
important
also
with
sites.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
taking
mean
meaningful
actions
in
addition
to
combating
discrimination
that
overcome
patterns
of
self-create
segregation,
which
is
both
race
and
financial
segregation
and
foster
inclusive
communities
free
from
barriers
that
restrict
access
to
opportunity
based
on
protected
characteristics.
J
So
in
considering
cupertino
housing
type,
we
can
see
that
there's
around
70
percent
single
family
between
both
the
attached
single
family
and
standalone
single
family
and
approximately
30
percent
multi-family
median
rent
in
in
this
in
these
last
five
years,
has
gone
up
exceedingly
in
cupertino,
particularly
in
comparison
with
both
santa
clara
county
and
the
bay
area.
General.
A
B
Me
can
you
go
back
to
that
slide
about
the
rents,
so
where
are
2020
and
2021?
Because
if
you
look
at
the
statistics,
that's
when
rents
started
coming
down
throughout
the
bay
area
and
vacancy
rates
aren't
going
up.
So
it
looks
like
there's
two
years
missing
from
this
chart.
J
I
understand
your
question
and
I'm
happy
to
share
your
I'm
happy
to
share
the
the
source
data.
My
understanding
is
the
source
data
for
this
information
is
the
most
recent
is
2019.
B
Okay,
because
down
at
the
bottom
left,
it
says:
data
source,
abag,
2021
and
yeah,
we're
missing
2020
and
2021.
J
Correct
but
the
base
data
that
they
were
reliant
on
in
coming
up
with
this
analysis
didn't
doesn't
have
information
beyond
2019.,
okay,.
E
And
what
is
the
median
rent
calculated
for
like
what
kind
of
accommodation
this
is
taking
as
a
reference
like
how
many,
what
type
of
a
house
this
is,
this
data
is
depicting
like
it
doesn't
measure.
E
E
J
My
understanding
is
that
it's
it's
generalized
and
so
that
it's
it's.
M
C
F
Keep
going
yeah,
so
I
have
two
two
questions
right,
so
on
the
previous
slide,
do
we
have
somewhat
that?
Not
the
one
before
you
yeah
this
one?
Do
you
have
this
kind
of
data
for
neighboring
west
valley
cities,
I'm
just
curious
right,
so
that
data
is
available
now
I
would
like
to
get
access
to
it
and
go
to
the
next
slide.
F
J
F
Reason
I'm
asking,
is
you
know
this
rent
depending
on
which
city
it
is
it's
going
to
be
different
right?
Like
you
know,
santa
clara
county
barrie
average
understood
right,
but
if
you
go
to
campbell,
you
know
it
might
be
much
closer
to
you
know
the
santa
clara
county
asmr
board
los
altos.
Are
you
know,
palo
alto?
It
could
be
no
war
kubernetes,
I'm
just
trying
to
see.
You
know
what
role
this
data
plays
in
deciding.
You
know
how
many
units
get
allocated
our
numbers
get
allocated
for
a
given
city.
G
G
C
G
We
followed
the
arena
process
pretty
closely
in
terms
of
how
the
units
were
allocated
and
my
understanding
is.
The
median
rent
did
not
really
play
a
factor
in
how
many
units
were
allocated
to
cupertino,
but
there
were
other
factors
that
did
count,
and
those
were
whether
we
were
a
high
resource
area.
They're
just
other
categories
that
they
and-
and
there
were
there-
are
reports
that
staff
will
to
counsel
about
the
factors
that
they
took
into
consideration
during
that
process,
and
that
is
also
available
on
the
engagedcupperchannel.org
website.
If
you're
interested.
C
C
Whenever
we
see
charts
like
this,
that
don't
compare
other
cities,
it
leaves
us
vulnerable
without
the
comparison
data
and
it's
important
to
show
where
los
altos
is
or
where
saratoga
is,
where
los
gatos
is
because
these
number
of
cities
are
low
density,
wonderful
educational
systems
and
high
median
income,
and
I
think
it's
good
to
compare
those
as
opposed
to
comparing
some
other
cities
within
the
county.
Right.
J
There
tends
to
be
even
the
highest
rate
of
being
cost
burden
and
to
be
cost
burdened
is
to
spend
between
30
and
50
of
your
income
for
housing
that
could
be
either
rent
or
or
a
mortgage.
C
Just
just
a
point
of
comparison:
when
there'll
be
most
of
the
bay
area
we
we
often
buy.
If
we
have
the
capability
or
ability
we
often
buy
homes
that
are,
you
know
crazy
in
comparison
to
the
rest
of
the
country,
I
mean
it's,
you
know
the
cost
burden
that
most
people
pay
is
is
pretty
incredible
here.
So.
F
Is
this
data
for
couponing
or
for
entire
area.
E
This
is
incredible:
this
is
86.5
for
14
335
units
spent
for
around
30
00
to
30
percent
of
income
used.
M
Well,
yeah,
if
you
think
about
it,
you
know
the
combinations
of
proposition
13
and
long-time
homeowners.
That's
where
you're
gonna
see
that
where
they
have
low
mortgage
payments
and
low
low
tax
obligations.
B
That
that's
true,
but
you
know
the
seniors
that
are
retired,
also
have
a
much
lower
income.
You
know
combined
with
their
lower
taxes
and
mortgage
payments.
That
is
true.
No
more!
No!
No
mortgage
payment,
probably.
F
Yeah,
I
think
you
know
the
right
most
bar
indicates
that
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
families.
You
know
that
are
greater
than
ami
and
and
obviously
you
know
because
they
make
more,
you
know
less.
They
spend
less
on
the
house
right
right.
J
J
So
on
to
our
site's
inventory,
so
the
background,
the
requirements
for
the
existing
suitable
sites,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
they're
zoned
appropriately
and
that
they
are
available
for
residential
use
during
the
planned
period
of
2023-2031.
E
But
excuse
me
yes
for
the
previous
one
city
must
identify
additional
sites
if
there
is
no
land
available
to
be
allocated
how
what
the
city
is
gonna
do
isn't
that
the
case
for
cupertino.
J
N
B
J
B
Right,
well,
I
mean
obviously
if
abag
says
we
need
to
build
x
percent
of
a
certain
level.
Obviously
you
know
we.
We
can
say
okay,
this
site
needs
that
that
percentage,
you
know
we
can't.
They
can't
give
us
a
percent.
You
know
30
percent
of
very
low,
but
then
when
we
allocate
they
say,
oh
no,
no,
no,
you
know
you
know
you're
putting
too
much
very
low
on
that
site.
I
mean
I
mean
it's
like
the
immovable
object
against
the
you
know,
irresistible
force.
J
It's
no
longer
a
paper
exercise
like
some
who
described
maybe
some
past
housing
element
cycles.
This
one
takes
takes
a
whole
lot
of
working
through,
so
we're
excited
to
work
with
this
team
on
route
to
putting
together
a
plan
so
for
those
sites
that
have
maybe
been
used
in
the
fourth
or
fifth
cycle
there
are.
There
are
some
requirements
that
may
apply
and
the
the
first
of
which
would
be
that
those
those
sites
would
need
to
allow
residential
use
by
right.
J
So
a
conditional
use
permit
couldn't
be
something
that
would
be
required
of
a
site
that
we've
maybe
used
in
cupertino
in
the
fifth
cycle,
and
now
we
want
to
use
again
if
it
was
a
vacant
site.
That's
also
true
if
it
was
a
vacant
site
and
used
in
both
the
fourth
and
fifth
cycle
I
should
say
so.
The
other
piece
of
it
is
that
the
density
would
need
to
shift
if
it's
less
than
20
dwelling
units
for
per
acre
in
in
santa
clara
county.
J
Just
within
the
last
couple
of
months,
it's
been
determined
because
of
the
population
size
that
now
30
billion
per
acre
is,
that
is,
is
the
required
density
number
as
a
proxy
for
affordable
housing.
C
Okay
on
that
slide,
please
sorry
and
vice
chair
shark
go
ahead.
Please.
B
Oh
sorry,
so
for
non-vacant
sites,
I'm
thinking
of
the
hamptons,
where
we.
A
B
And
and
irvine
corporation
has
no
interest
in
following
through
and
building,
even
though
the
project
is
completely
approved,
they
could
do
it
whenever
they
want.
I
mean
to
reuse
that
site.
Do
we
have
to
raise
the
number
of
units,
and
even
if
we
did,
they
still
wouldn't
build?
So
what?
What?
What
is
the
point
here.
J
M
B
Yeah
I
mean
yeah
that
that's
the
bottom
line.
You
know
you
have
an
approved
project,
but
the
construction
costs
the
falling
rent.
The
falling
demand
is
in
the
population
exodus.
It's
you
know,
they're,
just
not
gonna
build
because
it
just
doesn't
pencil
out,
but
there's
nothing.
We
can
do
about
about
that
right.
C
J
Yes,
oh
if
it
has
skipped
fourth
and
fifth
cycle,
then
not
necessarily.
H
J
So
some
of
the
steps
in
our
initial
site
selection,
where
we've
been
looking
at
the
carryover
list
of
sites
used
in
the
past
cycle
and
sites
with
existing
entitlements
and
sites
with
stated
owner
interest
and
the
city,
has
also
sent
letters
asking
whether
or
not
owners
may
be
interested
in
in
joining
this
effort
and
that
those
letters
were
sent
to
owners
of
all
sites
listed
above
and
also
owners
of
sites
within
within
the
hcd
recommended
state
range
of
and
and
finally
owners
within
owners
of
sites
within
corridors.
J
That
we'll
see
here
in
a
minute,
and
that
was
included
in
your
agenda
back
here.
So
now,
we'll
we'll
begin
with
the
layering
map,
layering
that
we've
provided
for
today's
exercise.
So
with
the
five
maps
that
were
described
and
included
in
the
packet
tonight,
we're
gonna
see
an
interplay
of
those
and
see
them
overlapped,
because
I
think
that's
what
we
all
instinctively
wanted
to
do.
J
Once
we
saw
those
maps
so
that
we
can
see
what
new
information
might
come
about
and
and
what
goals
planning
commission
might
have
and
moving
forward
and
thinking
creatively
as
chairwang
mentioned
earlier,
so
that
we
can
be
as
inclusive
as
possible.
So
this
first
map
it's
important
to
understand
that
the
numbers
do
not
coincide
with
the
number
of
units
or
a
number
of
sites.
J
J
And
here
we
have
potential
housing
opportunity
sites,
and
these,
as
we
mentioned,
are
carryover
sites
or
sites
that
already
have
entitlements
or
sites
where
there
has
been
potentially
even
multiple
conversations
with
staff
about
an
intent
to
build
at
these
locations.
J
J
I
apologize,
I'm
not
sure
I've
not
had
this
happen
before.
Okay
and
we'll
also
look
at
an
overlay
of
the
special
areas
that
are
designated
at
the
city
of
cupertino,
and
here
we
have
a
small
table.
That's
brought
over
from
our
balancing
act,
our
housing,
our
cupertino
housing,
simulator
tool
that
has
been
on
our
website
and
was
part
of
our
workshop
that
took
place
on
december
9th
2021,
and
these
are
the
responses
that
we
received
from
that
exercise.
J
We
can
see
that
the
majority
of
people
thought
that
the
majority
of
units
should
be
placed
in
the
heart
of
the
city
in
relationship
to
other
special
areas,
and
second
was
north
falco
park
and
third
was
balco
shopping
district.
J
There
was
also
some
popularity
from
vista
village
and
bub
road,
and
this
may
just
be
relative
to
the
size
of
each
of
these
special
areas
as
well.
For
the
neighborhood
areas,
the
garden
gate
area.
F
F
J
Not
sure
why
this
isn't
showing
the
full
map,
but
what
we
wanted
to,
let
you
know
is
that
we
did
take
into
account
all
hazard
areas
when
we
selected
our
sites.
J
Oh
yes,
thank
you
for
asking.
Well,
we
had
a
workshop
on
december
9th
it
was
a
community
workshop
and
we
blasted
that
information
out
to
everybody
and
we
were
hoping
for
a
large
crowd
and,
and
we've
also
continued
to
make
that
available
on
the
website
and
I'll
I'll
show
how
that's
linked
as
soon
as
we're
done
with
our
mapping
here
and
it's
still
open
and
available.
J
So
anyone
who
wants
to
share
comments
and
share
preference
and
create
a
heat
map
of
density
across
both
of
our
neighborhood
areas
and
our
special
areas
to
get
to
that
arena
number
then
we're
able
to
extrapolate
that
and
and
that's
what
we've
shared
as
as
an
attachment
to
the
agenda
packet
tonight.
J
C
Andy,
how
many
people
participate
in
that
process?
I
think
that's
what
vice
chair
sharp
is
getting
it
oh
and
that's
correct
as
well.
B
Wondered
you
know
when
she
said
people
like
what
people
is
it
professionals.
C
B
Or
is
it
I
guess
it's
interested
residents
right.
J
Primarily,
yes,
and
we
were
hoping
for
hundreds.
Unfortunately,
we
we
we
got
seven,
so
we're
we're
hoping.
L
J
Our
next
iterative
map-
I
it
may
be
that
it
was
so
broad
in
looking
at
areas
and
maybe
as
we
winnow
down
and
look
more
specifically
to
sites
we're
hoping
for
more
participation.
But
that
map
remains
open,
so
we're
hoping
that
the
public
will
come
and
join
the.
C
So
effort
think
it'll
be
important
to
get
more
outreach
out
there.
I'm
concerned
that
seven
data
points
might
be
skewed.
We
don't
know
where
all
the
seven
people
live.
They
could
all
be
on
the
west
side
voting
for
the
east
side
and
they
could
all
be
on
the
east
side
voting
for
the
west
side
and
that
could
create
some
very
interesting
controversy.
C
E
For
site
selection
based
on
something
else
other
than
the
people
having
an
interest
in
allocating
sites
on
that
particular
area
in
that
map-
or
there
is
some
other
criteria
as
well.
E
Questions
the
you
have
color-coded
it
right,
so
the
people
have,
I
guess
you
pulled
the
people,
then
they
they
gave
you
the
feedback
related
to
the
site
selection
for
this
allocation,
so
that
right,
and
so
that
so
is
there
any
other
criteria
besides,
besides
that
that
people
giving
you
some
their
own
opinion
about
where
the
things
will
be
more
interesting
than
than
any
any
other
criteria
like
this
site
is
more
favorable
for
allocation
because
abcd
these
are
the
prices.
J
I
think
I
understand
your
question,
but
please,
let
me
know
if
I
don't
hit
the
mark
here.
I
do
want
to
be
clear
that
the
only
the
only
thing
that's
carried
over
from
from
the
mapping
exercise
from
the
seven
people
who
have
participated
are
these
two
tables.
All
of
the
other
maps
have
been
brought
together
from
other
criteria
and
I'll
I'll
describe
each
of
that
criteria.
Again,
as
we
come
to
each
map.
M
Yeah,
the
balancing
effort,
the
bouncing
act
effort
was
intended
to
get
initial
thoughts
about
what
general
zones
without
getting
into
specific
sites.
F
Right
so
so
I'm
trying
to
understand
this
map
right
so
like
homestead,
it
says
some
number,
that's
like
you
know
less
than
200
right,
and
so
the
homestead
special
area
is
shown
on
top.
Is
that
what
people
said
you
know
hey
in
this
area?
We
need
to
go
and
build
another
200
units.
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
this
data.
J
I'm
happy
to
share
with
you
what
that
mapping
exercise
looks
like,
but
first
I
thought
we
would
maybe
just
go
through
the
the
layers
and
how
how
they
interact
with
one
another.
J
Thank
you.
So
this
map
did
not
come
from
the
mapping
exercise.
This
map
came
from
gis
of
the
city
and
it
was
specific
to
expressing
those
sites
that
are
between
half
acre
and
10
acres,
because
hcp
has
suggested
that
to
be
most
probable
for
redevelopment
or
development,
so
this
is
just
sort
of
a
baseline
criteria,
so
we
wanted
to
have
an
understanding
of
throughout
throughout
the
entire
city,
where,
where
do
those
size
sites
exist?
J
So
this
doesn't
this
map
only
has
that
information
connected
with
it,
but
now,
as
far
as
outreach,
each
and
every
property
owner
within
these
blue
zones
was
sent
a
letter
asking
if
they
would
like
to
participate
in
this
housing
effort
and
if
they
would
like
to
consider
possibly
including
their
property
on
the
housing
sites
inventory
list
so
we'll
be
reporting
back
at
our
next
meeting
here
at
the
planning
commission
and
let
you
know
how
that's
going.
O
Okay,
no
problem,
I
think
you're
weighing
quickly
on
that
yeah.
The
the
outreach
to
the
property
owners
is
really
about
a
two
week
gold
process.
So
it's
really
only
two
weeks
ago
or
early
yeah,
so
we
would
anticipate
getting
more,
but
as
of
yet
it's
early
early,
so
in
the
next
couple
weeks
we
should
have
a
lot
more
information.
J
Thank
you
for
that.
This
next
layer
is
the
purple
layer
are
sites
that
are
understood
by
the
city
to
be
either
already
entitled,
or
multiple
discussions
have
already
taken
place
for
that.
This
property
owner
is
interested
in
moving
forward
with
development,
so
these
are
opportunity
sites
that
are
probably
are
our
initial
ones.
That
are
no
all
of
what
you
see
there
in
purple,
and
you
can
see
that
they,
they
overlay
well
with
glue
because
un
understandably,
they
are
within
that
property
size
that
hcd
considers
so.
F
J
F
J
J
Understood
so
this
next
layer
that
you
see
here
with
the
orange
we
have
david
with
us
today
and
he
can
describe
a
little
bit
about
these
corridors
and
how
they
were
selected
and
how
they
overlay.
M
M
M
So
so,
when
we
overlaid
it,
it
turns
out
that
it
matched
very
similarly
to
a
lot
of
the
opportunity
sites
that
the
hcd
identifies,
including
some
that
are
also
in
the
purple.
It
doesn't
mean
that
you
know
all
of
these
sites
are
warranted
for
redevelopment,
but
it's
it's
one.
You
know
through
all
this
mapping
exercise
we're
trying
to
find
different
ways
to
looking
at
it,
and
this.
This
kind
of
shows
how
the
confluence
of
of
public
transit
in
existing
built
form
can
tell
us
that
there's
some
some
opportunity
areas.
M
There
is
existing
transit
on
stevens,
creek
and.
B
M
Yeah,
I
mean
certainly
the
the
south
bay
does
not
have
you
know
the
most
significant
public
transit
system,
but
for
a
lot
of
people,
especially
in
lower
incomes.
They
really
do
count
on
the
bus,
even
though
it's
not
the
most
convenient.
So
I
do
want
to
try
to
you
know
prioritize
areas
where
the
bus
has
that
availability.
J
J
Yeah,
that's
something
we're
dedicated
to
with
this
cycle.
C
Yeah,
no,
we
we
don't
want
to
have
food
deserts
or
retail
deserts.
You
know
as
well.
So
I
think
that's
something
important.
We
also
need
to
protect
our
tax
base
and
our
small
businesses
that
are
out
there.
I
do
have
a
question
in
your
professional
opinion
and
we
do
have
bus
lines
that
run
to
the
west
side
by
the
post
office
west
of.
M
You
know
I
didn't
see
the
size
and
type
parcel
that
seemed
like
it
would
be
a
great
fit.
It
is
a
little
bit
of
a
judgment,
call
as
you
go
through
there
and
I
think
there
may
be
potential
for
that.
You
know
we
talked
also
on
another
corridor
on
the
east
side
that
that
could
possibly
be
counted
as
well.
You
know
it's
an
iterative
process,
I
mean,
I
think
we
need
to
take
all
these
things
into
you
with
all
the.
E
All
these
blue
opportunity
zones
are
residential
right
now,
or
they
are
a
mix.
M
They're
a
mix
yeah
they're
they're,
both
commercial
and
residential
lots,
the
the
blue
simply
is
related
to
the
lot
size
and
it
meets
the
hcd
suggestion
and
that's
not
to
say
that
you
couldn't
take
a
lot.
That's
smaller
than
half
an
acre
and
put
housing
on
it
and
count
it.
But
the
hcd
tries
to
make
it
simpler
for
municipalities
and
when
they
try
to
make
judgment,
calls.
J
C
Yeah,
while
we're
doing
this,
as
everybody
knows,
this
is
a
very
important
part
of
the
process.
You
know
understanding
housing
element
sites
are
important.
I
encourage
commissioners
to
take
these
maps
drive
out.
Take
a
look
at
some
of
those
locations.
Talk
to
people
around,
encourage
other
people
to
participate
in
this
process.
I
think
it's
important
to
have
a
lot
of
input,
not
only
just
from
the
residents
also
some
of
the
businesses
in
the
area.
You
know,
there's
impact
to
foot
traffic,
there's
impact
to
traffic
in
general,
I'm
also
trying
to
figure
out.
C
You
know
where
people
can.
Actually,
you
know,
identify
new
opportunities,
so
I
think
it's
going
to
be
very
important
to
do
that.
You
know
be
creative
think
about
areas
where
our
commercial,
at
the
moment
that
be
converted
to
residential
think
about
places
where
we
can
incorporate
tax
basis
with
the
right
density
to
actually
support
retail
operations.
C
E
C
I
think
that's
up
to
us
to
use
that
and
put
that
in
there
vice
church
shark.
Do
you
have
a
question.
B
Yeah
I
was
going
to
bring
up
schools
as
well.
When
I
look
at
the
map,
it's
unfortunately,
most
of
the
housing
sites
are
in
areas
where
the
schools
are
not
under-enrolled
and
the
under-enrolled
schools
don't
have
many
sites
that
would
contribute
to
adding
to
their
enrollment
and
potentially
stopping
them
from
being
closed.
B
I
think
that's
just
that
just
falls
out
of
the
way
cupertino
has
been
developed.
The
areas
with
under-enrolled
schools
have
a
lot
of
single-family
homes
and
not
any
open
space
for
more
housing,
but
not
a
hundred
percent.
I
mean
you
have
the
bub
road
area
which
would
feed
into
the
under-enrolled
schools.
On
the
west
side,
you
have
south
deanzo,
which
would
feed
into
some
of
the
under-enrolled
schools
or
could
in
saratoga.
B
M
I
would
also
suggest,
from
my
experience,
I'm
working
with
the
community
college
district
in
fremont
right
now,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
have
cupertino
specific
numbers
on
what
the
school
enrollment
is
going
to
look
like,
but
generally
the
bay
area
school
enrollment
over
the
next
10
years
is
expected
to
decline,
because
people
are
having
fewer
kids.
People
are
moving
away.
M
The
bay
area
median
age
is
getting
older,
so
I
know
from
the
community
college
standpoint
they're
actually
concerned
that
they're
not
going
to
have
enough
students-
and
I
don't
know-
if
that's
the
case
in
cupertino,
but
that's
kind
of
the
bay
area
trend
over
the
next
10
years.
B
Right,
I
mean
it's
the
concern
of
at
least
two
of
the
high
schools
and
one
of
the
middle
schools
and
several
elementary
schools.
But
on
the
other
hand,
there
are
schools
where
they've
actually
had
to
move
students
to
neighboring
schools,
because
they
don't
have
space
for
them.
So
it
varies
greatly
by
neighborhood.
C
David,
what
you
need
to
know
as
context
is
we're
one
of
the
last
cities
that
actually
you
go
to
the
school
where
you
live.
We
don't
do
that
creative
stuff
to
drive
api
scores
up
or
put
like
a
you
know,
a
science
and
tech
center
in
a
really
poor
performing
school
to
fake
the
averages
and
make
the
unions
happy.
You
know
we
don't
do
that
kind
of
stuff,
and
so
that's
kind
of
why
this
distribution
is
the
way
it
is
yeah
understood.
J
Okay,
okay,
so
back
to
our
map
layers,
this
map
layer
shows
a
combination
of
all
four
things.
We
have
the
sites
that
are
the
appropriate
size.
We
have
our
opportunity
sites,
that's
recognized
by
staff
and
we
have
the
corridors
and
then
the
the
last
layer
that
we
have
here
is
self-selected
property
owners,
property
owners
who,
even
prior
to
our
outreach
and
our
recruitment,
so
to
speak
for
property
owners
to
come
forward,
and
let
us
know
if
they
have
an
interest.
M
And
what
I,
what
I
like
about
this
map
is
that
the
interest
is,
you
know
it
does
cluster
in
some
areas,
but
there
is
interest
across
the
city,
and
I
think
you
know,
as
we
look
towards
trying
to
find
an
equitable
solution
for
this
together
on
where
the
housing
could
be
located.
The
most
equitable
solution,
usually
is
it
is
spread
out.
There
is
opportunity
for
this
type
of
housing
throughout
the
city,
because
people
will
live
and
work
in
different
places.
C
I'm
just
going
to
make
an
observation
in
the
interest
of
our
comments:
around
inclusivity
and
equity
you'll
notice
that
the
west
side
is
significantly
less
dense
than
the
east
side
and
that
traditionally
creates
a
lot
of
tension
in
our
community.
So
it's
just
something
to
think
about.
As
you
consider
the
app.
J
And
this
one
shows
the
boundaries
of
all
of
the
neighborhoods
to
to
help
sort
of
put
our
arms
around
those
those
opportunities
that
we
might
have.
As
we
hopefully
hear
back
from
these
property
owners.
With
the
letters
that
we've
sent
out.
J
E
And
this
is
just
yeah.
I
mean
just
to
point
out
the
comment
earlier
that
literally
the
west
side
is
kind
of
empty.
Almost
there
is
nothing
interesting
going
on
on
the
west
side,
absolutely
because
everything
is
is
earmarked
on
the
east
side,
north
poland
is
south
planning
garden
gate.
Nothing
on
the
other
side
right,
if
you
notice
that
it
is
completely
skewed
on
the
east
side,.
J
My
understanding
of
development
over
time
the
month
vista
neighborhood,
was
one
of
the
early
neighborhoods
surrounding
the
rail
that
came
through.
So
this
is
maybe
more
historically
single-family
areas
and
with
that
development
over
time,
it's
left
behind
very
few
sites.
That
would
be
large
enough
to
consider
building
a
site
that
can
support
a
number
of
housing
units
in
one
location.
G
Actually,
if
I
may
jump
into
here,
andy's
absolutely
right.
The
sites
on
the
west
side
of
85,
for
the
most
part,
are
sites
that
are
single-family
and
they're
owned
by
single
property
owners.
There's
some
sites
which
are
larger,
mostly
churches.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
there's
a
rec
center
there's
some
sites
that
are
a
little
larger,
but
most
of
these
are
owned
by
single
family
owners,
and
so
there
are
no
very
large
sites
that
are
available
for
redevelopment
on
the
west
side.
C
Like
and
if
you
want
to
go
higher
nearly
high
cement,
you
could
potentially
do
something.
B
J
I
think
this
is
a
real
opportunity
to
rethink
areas
that
that
you
know
would
benefit
from
a
change
in
zoning,
and
I
I
hear
your
point-
it's
it's.
Certainly
it's
not
essential,
particularly
for
those
sites
that
are
new
in
this
sites.
Inventory
process
that
due
diligence
is,
is
higher
for
sites
that
are
being
reused.
J
So
if
we've
used
the
site
in
the
fifth
cycle-
and
we
want
to
use
it
again
in
the
sixth
cycle-
then
we
really-
we
need
to
make
sure
that
there's
some
property
owner
interest
for
you
know,
do
some
discovery
about
barriers
that
may
be
keeping
them
from
considering
constructing
there,
but
for
for
sites
that
have
not
been
used
before.
If
we
want
to
take
this
process
and
realize
and
recognize
opportunities
to
to
shift
cupertino
in
ways
that
is
meaningful
for
the
future
of
cupertino
this.
C
As
defined
by
hcd
and
as
defined
in
a
squid
game
like
process
here
is
really
at
the
point
here
so.
G
Yeah,
the
other
thing
that
I
would
do
I
could
speak,
and
the
other
thing
I
do
want
to
say
state
is
that
you
know
if
a
property
owner
specifically
sends
a
letter
to
say
you
know
what
do
not
include
me
in
this
process.
I
do
not
believe-
and
maybe
andy
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong-
that
you
know
we
could
hcd
would
allow
us
to
use
that
particular
site
as
a
priority
housing
site,
particularly
where
the
you
know
the
property
owner
has
said.
I'm
I'm
not
interested,
I'm
not
developing.
B
C
H
J
Housing
element
is
that
we
can't
overthink
it.
I
I've
I've,
seen
processes
get
stymied
because
people
are
trying
to
think
about
next
steps
and
how
we
might
be
able
to
supersede
things
we're
trying
to
just
be
as
transparently
iterative
as
we
can,
and
as
inclusive
throughout
the
radically
inclusive
for
for
people
to
be
engaged
and
involved,
and
and
for
this
group
of
commissioners
to
help
lead
that
process
and
we
value
your
service.
Thank
you
for
being
a
part
of
this.
B
Well,
I'm
I
know
I'm
I'm
I'm
just
thinking
of
a
property
owner
that
has
a
underused
commercial
site
and
thinks
hey.
You
know.
Housing
is
not
profitable
for
me,
because
the
construction
costs
and
the
and
the
rental
market
is
not
going
to
recover,
and
you
know
I'll
just
hold
out,
and
maybe
I
can
get
commercial
later
and.
B
J
C
No,
I
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
think
a
couple
cycles
out
as
well.
I
mean
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
meet
our
numbers.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
protect
our
residents
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
overextend
things
that
you
know
may
be
useful
later
and
did
different
cycles.
So
we
don't
want
to
completely.
You
know,
give
away
our
complete
hand
and
also
be
able
to
actually
deliver
for
the
future
cycle.
So
I
think.
B
That's
good,
chair
wong,
I
don't
know
if
you
lived
here
back
then,
but
there
was
a
proposal
to
build
housing
on
bub
road,
on
where
commercial
office
buildings
now
and
the
owner
said:
hey
these
buildings
are
obsolete,
nobody
wants
them
and
the
rezoning
didn't
go
through
and
then
apple
took
over
all
those
buildings
and
renovated
them.
B
C
That's
a
great
point.
I
really
want
to
get
through
andy's
presentation.
I
want
to
know
how
much
sorry
more
slides
you
have.
No,
no!
No!
I
want
to
have
more.
Oh,
that
was
the
last
slide.
Yes,
yes,
wonderful!
Okay!
I
do
have
some
questions.
These
are
creative
questions
and-
and
this
is
really
about
how
we
meet
our
housing
elements
and
and
what's
required,
and
so
I
have
two
for
you
that
that
just
a
little
bit
out
of
the
box
but
may
help
us
think
through
the
problem.
C
The
first
one
is
how
much
well?
How
deep
can
we
go
on
housing?
We
always
talk
about
going
up.
How
deep
can
we
go
to
make
those
numbers
and
reach
density?
So,
can
we
build
five
stories
down
build
proper
light
wells
and
say:
hey,
look,
we're
meeting
our
housing
numbers
by
going
down
as
much
as
going
up.
So
that's
the
first
question.
M
Well,
you
would
have
to
meet
all
the
adequate
light
requirements
and
then
the
cost
of
building
down
like
that
does
come
at
a
real
premium.
I
think
the
challenge
is,
you
know
in
terms
of
whether
a
developer
would
be
willing
to
take
it
on.
I
think
it
would
be
difficult
to
convince
them
to
take
that
on
because
of
the
increased
cost
and
the
undesirability
of
those
types
of
units.
So
I
think
it's
it's
a
tough.
It's
tough
sell.
M
I
will
just
say
generally
the
thing
that
usually
trips
up
developers,
the
most
is
the
parking.
So
it's
something
that
I
think
every
every
jurisdiction
needs
to
think
about
the
parking
counts
and
how
they
want
to
go
after
that,
because
that
will
take
up
a
significant
amount
of
site
area
and
reduce
the
amount
of
dwelling
units
even
on
a
large
site.
C
Well,
the
thought
process
was
as
you're
going
up
right.
You
put
two
levels
down
on
parking:
two
levels
of
housing
right,
go
four
levels
down
and
then
go
four
levels
up
for
our
you
know:
setback
and
height
requirements.
You
might
be
able
to
get
more
housing
and
more
density
there.
So
I
understand
your
market
and
market
acceptability.
I'm
kind
of
curious
as
to
like.
C
Has
anyone
tried
that
yet
because
we
could
run
out
housing,
here's
the
second
one,
one
of
the
biggest
property
owners
has
not
been
approached,
and
they
they
really
should
be
they.
They
have
a
responsibility
and
obligation
caltrans.
Let's
say
I
want
to
build
housing
over
280
kind
of,
like
you
have
oasis
in
chicago
right.
You
know,
like
you,
come
across
there's
property
over
bridges
and
stuff
like
that.
M
So
that's
an
air
rights
issue
and
you
would
need
to
secure
the
air
rights
with
caltrans.
I
think
you
would
have
to
go
through
caltrans
to
do
that.
That
was
really
invoked
back
in
the
50s
and
60s.
If
you
go
on
the
mass
pike
in
massachusetts,
there's
like
grocery
stores.
M
M
Everyone
had
these
things.
Everyone
did
there's
a
premium,
obviously
cost
like
a
monorail
for
simpsons,
but
yeah
exactly,
but
it
is
you
know
getting
through
the
caltrans
bureaucracy
to
achieve
that
would
be
a
lengthy
process
that
would
probably
take
more
than
the
eight-year
cycle.
I
would
imagine
no
problem,
I'm
just
asking.
C
Why
they're
not
doing
their
part
but
okay,
all
right?
Thank
you.
Let's
get
the
public
involved.
We've
been
talking
for
quite
some
time
here
and
we've
got
two
hands
raised.
Let's
go
to
public
comment
and
come
back
again
and
let's
start
with,
we
got.
Let's
do
it
in
this
order.
We've
got
lisa
warren
johnny,
griffith,
celine,
doming,
jeanette,
jonathan
bruns
and
peggy
griffin.
So
we'll
go
in
those
orders.
Let's
start
with
lisa.
P
Hi
thanks,
I've
been
scribbling
things
and
some
have
been
answered,
but
I
too
was
very
curious
about
how
many
people
created
maps
in
the
cycle,
one
of
the
stimulation
I
myself
went
on
there
I
have
played
with
it.
I've
saved
some
things,
but
I
haven't
sent
it
to
be
viewed
and
I
hope
I
can
retrieve
what
I
did
before.
P
If
it
wasn't
completely,
I
know
it's
hard
to
explain
how
to
use
it
and
you
and
etc,
but
it's
not
horribly
clear
what
you're
looking
for
to,
I
think
a
lot
of
people
it
would
be
like.
I
have
no
idea
so.
Hopefully,
people
will
warm
up
to
that,
but
existing
density
for
density,
zoning
for
properties
that
are
being
considered
you,
where
they're
zoned
for
five
units
per
acre
instead
of
you
know
30
or
80
or
90
or
whatever
are
we
limited
to
that
or
we
can?
P
P
It
would
be
really
great
instead
of
having
just
the
maps
and
the
overlays
from
that
have
been
produced
by
you
to
have
a
list
of
addresses
the
sizes
of
the
addresses
the
parcel
numbers,
if
possible,
so
people
can
go
and
actually
see
what
they
are
if
they're
interested,
because
I
know
some
places,
I
think
maybe
it
was
on
the
map.
But
it's
such
a
tiny
map
on
a
15-inch
laptop.
P
I
don't
know
and
having
that
information
would
be
very
helpful
for
me
so
and
you
must
have
it
and
also
knowing
everyone
that
you
sent
a
letter
to
would
be
very
helpful
because
if,
if
someone
knows
the
property
owner
and
wants
to
encourage
them
to
do
something,
it
would
be
good
for
them
to
be
able
to
communicate
that.
P
Let's
see
this,
isn't
all
my
questions
I
had
more
and
there
I
didn't
even
know
how
to
write
them
down
and
to
ask
them.
So
I
guess
I'm
just
going
to
think
about
it.
Maybe
right
in
or
something
yeah.
Oh,
I
know
the
circles.
P
The
last
overlay,
which
were
circles,
property
owners
who
came
to
the
city
to
say
that
they
have
not
have
interest,
is
what
they
were
defined
as
they
had
numbers
in
them.
What
did
those
numbers
represent?.
C
C
C
I
Thank
you.
This
is
jennifer
griffin.
I
hope
you
all
can
hear
me.
You
know
this
is
like
the
third
or
fourth
housing
element.
I've
gone
through
with
the
city
since
2001
when
we
came
in
from
with
rancho
riconata
came
in
from
the
county
and
I'm
gonna
say
right
now.
You
know
the
city
staff
and
emc
and
andy
and
luke
and
david.
I
You
know,
god
bless
you.
You
know
this
is
like
the
first
march
to
captivity
land.
You
guys
are
trying
so
hard,
you're,
so
brave,
but
I
you
know.
Frankly,
I
have
spent
the
last
three
to
four
years
since
the
housing
bills
came
out
of
scott
weiner
land
and
nancy
skinner
and
eric
cyrus,
knowing
far
more
about
the
creation
of
these
housing
bills
than
probably
I
ever
wanted
to,
and
therefore
I
am
forever
painted
in
terms
of
when
what
we're
doing
to
the
city
with
the
5
000
housing
units.
I
This
is
what
you
guys
are
up
against.
I
mean
if
hcd
even
thinks
that
a
lot
of
the
people
in
santa
clara
county
don't
understand
what
is
going
on
with
these
inflated
numbers.
Then
they
really
ought
to
not
be
running.
This
I
mean
we've
all
been
staring
at
this
for
the
last
four
two
three
one
years
and
now
we're
saddled
with
sd9
sb10.
I
You
know,
we
don't
know
if
we're
gonna
get
weiner
housing
next
door
with
four
units
stuck
on
a
5,
000
square
foot,
lot
so
yeah
to
me
this
is
like
a
force
march
or
a
bad
drug
trip.
It
is
we
have,
you
know
until
hcd
comes
to
its
rationality
or
we
get
a
new
governor
or
the
governor
wakes
up.
This
is
what
we're
stuck
with
and
I'm
not,
I
don't
believe
abag
is
capable
of
handling
anything
or
hcd
or
anything
else,
but
that
doesn't
make
your
job
any
easier.
I
So
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
forcing
churches
or
religious
sites
to
sell
their
land
and
convert
into
high-density
housing.
That's
what
I'm
really
really
concerned
about
with
this.
I'm
also
concerned
that
we're
that
we're
upping
the
value
I
think
this
land
once
it's
rezoned,
you
can't
down
zone.
So
these
property
owners,
their
land,
is
going
up
in
price
completely.
So
we
have
to
understand
that,
but
I
think
the
arena
numbers
are
completely
off
the
wall
and
it's
a
it's
really
really
bad.
I
But
I'm
concerned
that
we
don't
that
we're
going
to
wind
up
doing
more
damage
to
cupertino
this
cycle
than
we
have
in
the
last
three
or
four,
and
it's
just
been
in
the
last
four
years.
I
that
the
blame
lies
with
hcd,
senator
weiner,
senator
skinner
and
and
the
you
know,
jerry
brown
and
the
current
governor
for
voting
this
stuff,
in
that
they
have
really
made
life
in
our
cities
unbearable
and
that's.
A
C
C
Thank
you
for
your
views,
yes,
and
there's
a
local
control
initiative
that
people
are
looking
at
to
check
in
the
authority
of
hcd
and
on
the
governor.
Let's
go
to
our
next
resident
and
caller
or
celine
dumerjee.
Please
join
us
and
we
have
three
minutes.
Q
Hi,
what
an
entertaining
presentation-
I
definitely
learned
a
lot
about
cupertino.
I
want
to
thank
the
consultants.
I
think
the
heat
map
idea
is
amazing.
It's
a
really
good
way
to
get
people
to
be
specific
about
what
they
want
to
see
in
the
city.
I
hope
the
outreach
increases,
but
it's
a
great
idea.
I
also
want
to
highlight
what
the
consultant
said
about
this,
not
being
a
paperwork
exercise.
Q
The
governor
just
allocated
millions
of
dollars
in
the
latest
budget
to
the
housing
accountability
unit,
which
is
going
to
take
a
more
antagonistic
stance
towards
cities
like
cupertino,
who
historically
have
brought
negative
attention
onto
the
city
with
obstruction
like
the
obstruction
we've
seen
at
valco.
Q
Q
One
law
that
is
new
revolves
around
the
realistic
capacity
of
the
cytometers,
so
around
page
20
to
22
of
hcd's
technical
assistance
on
site
inventories.
It
clarifies
that
non-vacant
sites
with
an
existing
use
have
to
have
a
realistic
likelihood
of
development,
and
one
way
hcd
says
you
can
figure
out
that
number.
If
you
lack
better
evidence,
so
look
historically
at
what
was
the
development
rate
of
the
last
cycle,
so
the
number
for
cupertino
is
six
percent.
It's
actually
5.7
percent.
Q
That
is
a
very
low
likelihood
of
development,
meaning
you
need
to
compensate
for
that
by
adding
additional
sites,
and
partly
this
is
because
of
how
hostile
the
city
is
to
development,
and
if
you
were
to
address
that,
you
might
be
able
to
increase
the
probability
of
development
on
the
sites,
but
right
now
this
is
it's
among
the
lowest
in
the
air.
Q
I
also
just
want
to
say
I
thought
the
idea
of
putting
low-income
people
middle-class
people
underground
was
offensive.
If
that's
not
an
affha
violation,
I
don't
know
what
it
is.
Thank
you.
C
Well,
thank
you
for
the
mb
law
volunteer
alliance,
point
of
view.
Hopefully
he
stays
around.
He
hasn't
stayed
around,
but
I
want
to
correct
some
facts.
The
issue
at
valco
is
a
issue
of
the
developers.
Doing
the
land
was
toxic.
C
Cupertino
is
doing
everything
it
can
to
make
the
housing
available
and
approve
it's
unfortunate
that
we
have
some
issues
that
the
san
diego
santa
clara
county
fire
department,
has
taken
over
and
said
this
land
is
toxic
and
it
needs
to
be
changed
or
cleansed
or
approved
before
anyone
can
be
safely
put
on
that
housing-
and
you
know
not
thinking
about
the
health
and
welfare
of
residents
before
they
move
in.
There
is
a
serious
issue
and
it's
much
more
about
inclusiveness
and
equity.
C
We
wouldn't
want
to
do
that
to
anybody,
regardless
of
where
they
are,
and
so
I
think,
that's
important.
On
the
issue
of
basements
and
digging
deep
those
are
for
market,
they
could
be
very
low
income.
On
top.
There
could
be
four
market
on
the
bottom.
It's
not
necessary
for
everyone
down
there.
So
sorry
that
someone
takes
offense
to
that
in
a
dare
in
an
age
where
everyone
takes
offense
to
everything
that
wasn't
the
intent,
you
can
actually
design
for
market
housing
and
create
penthouse
type
patios
on
the
bottom.
C
R
Good
evening,
I'm
jan
stokley
executive
director
of
housing
choices
we're
a
non-profit
that
works
with
cupercino
families
of
adults
with
developmental
disabilities,
who,
in
growing
number
over
the
past
decade,
have
been
forced
out
of
cupertino
to
live
in
other
communities
and
not
able
to
remain
in
the
community
where
they
grew
up.
R
I'm
hearing
a
lot
of
comments
from
commissioners
as
if
this
is
some
sort
of
exercise
that
you
have
to
go
through
to
show
hcd,
and
I
understand
why
you
might
feel
that
way.
But
on
the
other
hand,
don't
forget
about
all
the
people,
the
families
that
we
work
with
and
many
others
who
are
counting
on
you
to
come
up
with
a
realistic
plan
for
creating
housing.
So
they
can
stay
in
cupertino.
R
So
that
was
my
comment.
My
question
is:
I'm
going
around
to
a
lot
of
housing
element
meetings,
speaking
on
behalf
of
people
with
developmental
disabilities,
and
what
I'm
seeing
in
in
other
cities
is
they're.
You
know
working
really
really
hard
on
their
general
plan
and
their
land
use
element
and
their
specific
plans,
because
they're
counting
on
those
zoning
changes
to
be
adopted
in
time
for
the
numbers
to
be
real
right,
and
so
what
I
think
I
heard
the
consultant
say
is
cupertino
is
going
to
look
for
opportunity.
R
Sites
come
up
with
the
housing
element
and
then
see
what
zoning
changes
are
needed
and
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
because
it
seems
backwards.
It
seems,
like
you
really
should
be,
have
a
good,
solid
plan
for
doing
the
zoning
changes
that
you
need
so
that
you
can
come
up
with
a
housing
element
that
seems
realistic.
R
So
that
was
my
question:
the
sequencing
of
making
the
necessary
zoning
changes
so
that
you
can
have
a
realistic
plan
and
doing
that
at
the
time
of
the
submission
of
the
housing
element
so
that
the
housing
element
can
be
approved.
But
you
know
mostly,
I
just
want
to
say
the
community's
counting
on
you
to
produce
housing.
We
really
really
really
need
it
and
it's
cupertino
residents
who
need
it,
not
some
other
folks.
It's
it's
young
adults
in
their
30s
and
40s
who
are
leaving
cupertino
in
large
numbers.
R
It's
people
who
work
in
your
shopping
in
your
stores,
it's
people
that
are
going
to
take
care
of
you
when
you
have
to
go
into
assisted
living.
These
are
all
people
that
you
want
to
keep
in
cupertino
and
to
do
that,
you
really
need
to
address
the
housing
with
all
seriousness
and
not
just
treat
it
as
an
exercise.
So
thank
you.
C
And
thank
you
for
sharing
your
voices
and
your
work
advocating
for
the
for
development
challenges
as
well,
people
that
are
trying
to
stay
in
cupertino.
We
appreciate
your
comments.
Please
take
the
time
to
reach
out
to
us
individually.
I
think
a
lot
of
us
would
love
to
speak
with
you.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
perception
here
that
we
are
not
interested
in
taking
this
seriously.
That
is
not
true.
I
think
every
commissioner
here
takes
it
very
seriously.
C
I
think
it's
the
misperception
in
the
media
that
continues
to
blame
cupertino.
That
has
been
a
big
issue.
Vice
chair
scharf,
you
want
to
add
something
before
we
get
to
the
next
comment.
Oh.
B
So
yeah,
what
what
miss
stokely
mentioned
about
the
rezoning
before
you
know
before
the
sites
are
selected.
You
know
that
that's
what
I
had
raised
earlier,
it's
like
do.
We
need,
and
it
sounded
like
from
the
consultant
if
a
property
owner
is
not
interested
in
making
their
property
a
housing
element
site
that
there's
no
point
in
us
rezoning
it
because
they
have
no
interest,
and
you
know
I
liked
what
jan
said,
because
I
think
maybe
not
for
this
cycle
of
moving
forward.
B
We
might
want
to
think
about
sites
where
the
owner
currently
has
no
interest,
but
if
they
knew
that
the
site
was
rezoned
high
enough
to
make
something
profitable,
they
might
actually
end
up
being
interested,
and
I
also
want
to
tell
jan
actually
I
was
outside
today
and
who
walked
by,
but
former
mayor
orrin
mahoney
and
former
mayor
sandy,
james
and
and
mr
mahoney
said
the
site
on
mary
avenue.
They
are
moving
forward.
B
You
know
everything
takes
longer
than
we
wish
it
would
take,
but
that
project
has
you
know
still
going
forward,
and
you
know
we
hope
that
we're
going
to
get
that
developmentally
disabled
housing.
You
know
when
I
was
on
city,
council
and
mayor.
We
were,
we
were
still
talking
about
that,
and
you
know
it
would
be
a
great
place
and
I
hope
we
can
get
that
going
faster
than
than
it
has
been.
Thank
you.
S
Good
good
evening,
everyone
thank
you
all
for
the
information
and
for
making
the
preservation
of
our
retail
centers
a
priority.
This
will
help
as
our
density
grows.
I
have
a
hodgepodge
of
questions
and
comments
and
stuff,
so
I'm
going
to
go
as
fast
as
I
can.
First,
I
request
that
in
the
future,
when
you
put
a
a
graph
or
a
bar
up
based
on
input,
it's
somewhere
in
the
corner,
you
put
the
number
of
people.
S
I
looked
at
it
and
thought:
oh
thousands
and
it
was
seven,
so
it
really
does.
It
is
important
to
have
that
number.
S
Let's
see
two,
I
would
ask
that
you,
you
prioritize
and
explore
the
sites
on
the
west
side
that
expressed
interest
in
developing
just
for
the
schools
and
and
possibly
to
increase
the
transportation
areas
that
are,
I
think,
should
be
explored,
are
south
de
anza,
the
bub
road
area,
and
also
the
stephens
creek
from
85
to
the
blue
pheasant
like
down
that
hill
or
maybe
not
at
the
top
of
the
hill.
S
Let's
see,
that's
that
one
two
questions
one
is:
does
housing
that
is
not
identified
as
a
housing
element
site
get
counted
towards
rena
if
it
gets
developed
and
also
what
about
adus?
Do
you
get
credit
for
that,
and
my
last
question
is,
I
see
in
I
have
developmental
disabled
adults.
S
G
Sure,
with
regard
to
group
homes,
I
think
and
andy
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
believe
that,
in
order
for
something
to
count
as
units
you
have
to
have
individual
kitchens
in
them
and
in
a
group
home
setting,
you
only
have
one
kitchen,
so
it
would
only
count
as
one
how
one
unit,
but
aside
from
that,
I
don't
think
the
cost
of
the
new
homes
that
are
going
up
with
the
number
of
bedrooms,
etcetera,
they're,
running
about
three
and
a
half
four
million
dollars.
G
Even
four
and
a
half
depending
on
where
it
is,
it
is
a.
It
is
a
large
amount
of
money
and
of
course
we
will.
You
know,
expand
the
bmrh
offense
funds
in
a
manner
that
the
city
council
authorized
authorizes
us
to
spend
those.
But
you
know
I
think
that
this
has
to
be
the
priority
of
the
council
to
directors
to
do
something
like
that.
I
don't
think
that
can
come
from
staff.
G
But,
aside
from
that
andy,
do
you
want
to
take
the
other
question
that
peggy
had.
J
For
both
adus
and
let's
see
what
was
the
other
question-
adu's
talent.
J
G
G
Accommodation
of
the
arena
essentially
means
a
discussion
of
thinking.
You
know
what
the
densities
will
be
on
these
particular
sites,
because
we
do
want
to
make
sure
that
the
development
form
that
takes
place
on
those
sites
you
know
is
is
appropriate
for
the
type
of
what
the
community
desires
to
see
at
that
particular
site
and
location,
and
that
will
kind
of
lead
us
down
the
path
of
what
number
can
we
fit
in
that
particular
form?
And
so
we
do
want
that
input.
G
We
also
want
input
on
the
shopping
centers
that
you
know
the
community
wishes
to
dearly
hold
on
to,
because
that
will
inform
us
in
in
the
decision
and
the
planning
commission
on
the
city
council,
in
terms
of
which
sites
should
be
retained
for
the
city.
So
I
I
do
encourage
the
community,
even
those
that
have
just
started
draft
housing.
C
Yeah
two
points
there
I
mean
it's
really
important
as
we
increase
density.
We
don't
want
to
create
food
access,
inequity
and
then
that's
a
very,
very
important
thing
as
we
get
food
deserts
as
we
lack
the
ability
to
actually
find
locations
for
pharmacies
for
essential
services.
It's
very
important
in
the
overall
planning
perspective,
so
please
think
about
it.
C
That
way-
and
I
actually
do
want
to
commend
staff,
because
I
believe
this
approach
and
the
consultants
approach
allows
us
to
actually
streamline
the
process
of
actually
completing
one
big
gpa
amendment
in
terms
of
doing
it
in
piecemeal
and
without
community
input,
and
it's
very
impulsive
important
to
have
that
inclusive
community
input.
Let's
go
to
our
next
caller
scott
connolly.
Please
join
us
and
thank
you
for
joining
us.
N
There
you
go
yep,
I
think
it's
it's
on
right
now
appreciate
you
know
we
can
hear
you,
we
can
hear
you.
Thank
you
good
evening,
everybody.
I
had
a
couple
of
questions
and
they
may
be
a
little
bit
too
much
in
the
weeds
or
too
much
detail,
but
I'll
just
roll
through
them
quickly.
I
I
think
it's
important
and
I
think
at
this
early
stage
you
probably
don't
know
yet,
but
I'm
curious
of
the
roughly
4
500
new
units
in
this
arena,
six
cycle.
N
If
the
city
has
any
idea
how
many
of
those
units
will
be
attributed
to
whatever
gets
developed
at
alco,
I
imagine
valco
could
could
take
a
reasonably
large
chunk
out
of
that
total.
N
One
thing
to
point
out
is
it's
my
understanding
relative
to
how
hcd
may
scrutinize
the
ultimate
inventory
list
that
gets
put
in
front
of
it
from
the
city,
but
that
in
this
current
arena,
five
cycle?
I
I
believe
that
the
number
was
around
1500
units
and
I
think
that
only
11
of
those
units
actually
got
built
in
the
last
eight
years
and
it
was
a
small
senior
development
on
stevens
creek
boulevard.
N
In
terms
of
in
in
the
11
units,
in
terms
of
the
sites
that
were
identified
in
the
in
the
arena
five
cycle-
and
so
I'm
just
curious
if
the
city
is
concerned,
that
hcd
might
scrutinize
the
list
coming
out
of
cupertino.
N
My
third
question
is
that
I
thought
andy's
presentation
was
great,
but
on
the
project
timeline
page,
it
looked
like
you
had
the
formal
hcd
submittal,
where
cupertino
sends
their
draft
housing
element
to
the
state.
It
looked
like
on
that
sheet.
It
was
shown
after
january
of
23
and
and
my
understanding
is
that
this
hcd
needs
to
accept
the
housing
element
prior
or
or
or
by
january
of
23,
and
that
that,
as
the
city
submits,
their
initial
housing
element
that
hcd
plans
on
several
rounds
of
comments
with
cities
back
and
forth.
N
Where
there's
you
know
90
and
60-day
turnaround.
So
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
the
timing
of
when
that
gets
done,
and
then
lastly,
I'm
just
curious.
If
you
could
talk
at
all
about
what
I've
come
to
understand,
is
it's
called
the
our
neighborhood
voices
initiative
and
it
from
what
I
can
tell
on
that
website.
N
N
You
know
possible
state
control
at
the
relative
to
rena
and
the
housing.
You
know
illness
process
and
again
thinks
that
you
can
answer
them
great.
If
not
it's
too
early,
I
understand,
but
scott.
N
Yeah,
I
grew
up
in
cupertino
and
my
mom
still
lives
there.
I
went
to
monte
vista
high
school
kennedy,
korea.
C
Thank
you
I
think
vice
chair
scharf
would
like
to
answer
some
of
your
questions
and
get
to
it
and
we'll
get
to
some
staff.
B
B
Mr
connolly
mentioned
the
current
reno.
First
of
all,
the
the
veranda
was
11
units,
but
the
city
council
expanded
it
to
19
by
getting
rid
of
the
ground
floor,
retail
which
was
not
a
good
location
so-
and
I
think
mr
connolly
may
have
been
involved
with
that
somewhat
from
his
employer,
barry
swenson
and
for
the
other
four
sites
we
have.
All
of
them
are
approved,
so
westport,
formerly
the
oaks
is
approved,
valco
is
approved,
hamptons
is
approved
and
marina
is
approved.
B
Now
the
problem
that
you
know
we're
all
aware
of
now
is
the
market
for
market
rate
rental
housing
is
not
something
that
encourages
the
property
owners
to
build
this
time.
So
I
know
one
of
the
projects
is
going
to
be
converting
to
for
sale,
condos
with
20,
affordable,
and
I
know
westport
is
moving
forward.
Presumably
the
hampton's
probably
not
moving
forward
and
valco.
Of
course
you
know
we're
all
aware
of
the
issues
with
the
site
contamination
which
hopefully
will
be
solved,
and
you
know
once
those
are
solved.
B
You
know
they
can
build
either
their
sp35
project
or
you
know,
they're
free
to
build
build
something
else
as
well.
B
So
I
just
want
to
point
out
it's
you
know
the
cities:
don't
build
housing
actually
legally
based
on
article
34
of
the
california
constitution.
We
couldn't
even
build
it
if
we
wanted
to,
but
we
we
approve
projects
and
we
hope
that
the
hope
that
the
property
owners
pull
permits
and
build,
and
so
far
you
know
that
didn't
happen
much
in
the
current
cycle.
B
So
you
know
I
don't
know
what
we
do
in
the
next
cycle
to
say:
if
someone
takes
an
entitlement
that
they
are
required
to
build
within
a
certain
number
of
years,
you
know,
but
again
we
can't
change
market
conditions.
I
understand
why
these
property
owners
decided
not
to
move
forward
with
their
approved
projects.
They
just
they
just
didn't
pencil
out
so.
C
Thank
yeah,
no,
no,
it's
a
great
question
and
a
great
point
there.
You
know
we
made
the
we
made,
the
entitlements
developers
didn't
build.
The
onus
is
on
the
developers
and
there's
market
conditions,
and
so
I
think
that's
something
we
can
look
at
in
trying
to
helping.
I
do
have
a
related
question
to
staff
and
to
our
consultant.
C
G
Yes,
that
is
true:
you
have
to
pull
a
building
permit
in
order
to
be
it
to
to
get
discounted
from
the
arena
in
that
in
that
planning
period
in
that
production
period,
which
is
which
is
that
23
to
2031.,
yeah
and
most
of
our
approvals
are
a
two-year
approval
timeline.
If
developers
request
a
longer
timeline,
it
is
up
to
the
planning,
commission
and
the
city
council
to
accept
that
or
approve
that
so,
but
in
general,
approvals
are
only
good
for
two
years.
C
Now,
thank
you
for
sharing
that.
I
think
that's
very
useful
as
well.
So,
okay,
we
have
a
one
last
individual
and
just
letting
folks
know
if
you
want
to
continue
to
add
input,
it'd
be
great
to
have
input
as
well
from
people
who
live
in
cupertino,
as
well
as
other
people
that
are
calling
in
from
outside
as
well.
So
you
can
raise
your
hand
and
join
we'll.
Give
you
three
minutes
steve
kelly.
Please
join
us
and
welcome.
T
Good
evening,
I
I
just
wanted
to
add
my
two
cents,
having
grown
up
with
the
funeral
having
a
client.
Currently,
you
know
just
going
through
the
process
of
getting
here
properly
rezoned.
T
There
are
things
that
could
be
done,
including
simplification
of
the
building
code.
Her
site
was
an
acre.
It
could
have
had
five
single-family
homes
easily
situated
on
the
side.
T
T
I
was
pushed
out
one
of
my
tents
that
rents
a
room
for
me
grew
up,
went
to
kennedy,
monte
vista,
just
like
I
did,
and
just
about
my
whole
high
school
class
was
pushed
out.
You
know
so
if
you
reduce
the
minimum
lot
size,
so
families
can
split
their
lot
and
let
their
adult
children
stay
in
the
community.
T
T
C
Thanks
for
sharing
your
thoughts
on
your
real
estate,
expertise
and
appreciate
your
comments,
okay,
I
don't
see
any
other
questions
and
comments
from
anybody
here
and
for
many
people
who
are
in
the
class
of
1980
through
1990.
That
was
in
the
period
where
cupertino's
boom
was
huge
and,
of
course,
property
prices
went
up
because
of
apple
other
tech
companies
in
the
first
wave
of
the
internet,
other
countries
other
counties.
Other
cities
also
face
that
kind
of
boom.
C
Just
for
historical
perspective,
we
got
one
more
in
here:
let's
get
barris
eveletch
and
let's
get
you
in
here.
Thank
you
for
raising
your
hand,
welcome.
K
Okay,
great
thank
you
hi.
This
has
been
very
informative.
A
couple
things
one
is
first,
I
wanted
to
agree
with
the
vice
chair's
comments
earlier
about
the
communication
to
potential
properties
in
terms
of
why
it's
beneficial
for
that,
in
addition
to
just
being
a
good
citizen
to
participate
in
this
program,
also,
the
questionnaire
that
is
required
for
participation,
the
owner
as
an
owner.
K
I
would
certainly
suggest
that
you
take
a
look
at
that
questionnaire
because
it
includes,
as
I
said,
many
questions
that
are
just
not
something
the
owner
could
answer
at
this
time,
and
perhaps
someone.
Thirdly,
could
expand
on
the
requirement
that
that
the
properties
involved
that
are
in
the
program
be
permitted
within
this
cycle.
What
are
the
consequences
consequences
if
any
for
the
owner
that
participates.
C
Well,
these
are
great
questions.
Thank
you
for
asking
them.
Let's
see
if
anyone
on
staff
can
help
you
answer
and
address
those
questions,
and
it's
a
good
point
on
the
engineering
aspect,
I
mean
you
have
to
be
pretty
much
an
expert
to
respond
to
that.
Maybe
there's
some
things
we
could
do
to
improve
that.
So
cue
go
ahead.
J
I
can
start
the
first
question
that
I
heard
or
the
last
question
that
I
heard
that
I'll
answer.
J
First,
is
whether
or
not
there's
any
consequences
if
a
site
is
included
and
then
chooses
not
to
have
something
permitted
within
that
cycle,
there
are
no
consequences
that
that
is
not
something
that
that
an
individual
property
owner
would
face
a
consequence
to
be
included
with
with
this
cycle's
site
inventory
list
and
then
opt
to
not
develop
within
this
eight-year
cycle,
and
if
I
may
look
is,
would
this
be
an
opportune
time
for
me
to
take
everyone
to
the
site
we
we
did
hear
this.
This
comment
about
the
property
owner
interest.
O
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
learn
too
is
we
want
to
make
sure
that
people
who
aren't
sitting
on
the
property
or
who
are
disinterested
in
developing,
so
if
the
current
owner
does
have
an
interest
over
the
eight
year
cycle?
That
would
be
something
good
to
know
whether
or
not
they
have
the
expertise
to
develop
the
site
themselves.
J
And
we've
now
included
options
that
are.
C
J
So
if,
if
you
noticed
I,
I
took
us
from
engagecupertino.org-
and
you
can
see
here
that
we
do
have
this
website
available
in
multiple
languages.
So
when
I
click
on
the
english
and
then
we
can
see
here,
I
do
also
want
to
bring
everybody's
attention.
We
are
recruiting
for
a
stakeholder
group
so
that
application
form
is
available
immediately
in
the
front
page.
There's
also
the
form
available
here,
and
it
takes
you
to
the
same
thing.
J
So
when
we
click
on
the
property
owner
interest
form,
you
can
see
that
we
ask
for
very,
very
little
contact
information
and
we
have
included
this
answer
in
our
in
all
of
our
options
to
say
unsure,
because
we
understand
that
if
you're
a
property
owner
and
not
a
developer,
it's
fine.
What
matters
most
to
us
is
whether
or
not
you're
interested.
If,
if
you
are
interested
and
you,
you
are
pretty
sure
that
there
would
be
a
requirement
to
to
change
zoning
that
helps
us.
J
If
you
help
us
understand
what
kind
of
development
you
might
already
be
pondering,
you
can
still
say
unsure
there
if,
if
you're
unsure
about
any
of
these
answers,
that
is
now
an
option
for
all
of
these
questions,
and
it's
it's
a
total
of
20
questions.
J
These
questions
are
related
directly
to
what
hcb
is
asking
asking
us
to
provide
for
a
little
more
certainty
about
whether
or
not
a
property
that
we're
choosing
on
our
choosing
to
include
on
our
site's
inventory
list
is,
has
a
reasonable
chance
of
being
felt
within
that
eight
years.
But
I
do
want
to
repeat
again
if,
if
you
select
to
be
part
of
this,
and
then
you
choose
to
not
develop
within
this
eight-year
cycle,
there
are
no
negative
consequences.
C
Andy
actually,
a
real
good
point
made
by
barristan
unless
you're
like
an
engineering
consultant
or
redeveloper.
It's
almost
as
if
you
need
to
get
a
phd
understand
what
each
cd
is
doing.
So
maybe
there's
a
way
to
help
people
understand
what
the
answers
are
to
those
questions
like
a
quick
video
or
something
like
that.
I
don't
know
how
many
people
are
going
to
fill
it
it's
worth
the
time,
but
I
think
that
would
help.
C
I
think
that's
a
very,
very
important
piece,
because
some
of
those
people
really
don't
know
how
to
answer
those
questions
and
you
might
get
a
lot
of
other,
but
it
does
map
very
well
to
the
hcd
requirements
which
is
which
is
nice,
but
I
just
think
you
know,
I
mean
think
of
the
number
of
consultants
who
are
trying
to
figure
this
out
right.
C
I
mean
they've
made
a
process,
super
complicated,
very
hard
for
people
to
understand,
and
and
if
we
want
to
involve
people
to
actually
help
with
the
housing
element,
you
know,
maybe
we
can
make
it
easier
for
them
so
and
then
a
lot
more
inclusive
that
way.
Okay,
we're
done
with
questions
everyone's
gotten.
Their
three
minutes,
we
thank
you
for
participation
very,
very
important.
We're
excited
that
so
many
people
participated.
C
I
think
it's
a
very
critical
part
of
where
the
city
goes
forward.
I
cannot
understate
that
we
have
worked
very
hard.
The
consultants
here
have
worked
very
very
hard
to
make
this
inclusive
and
equitable
a
process.
That's
streamlined,
a
process
that
works
towards
what
hcd
is
trying
to
accomplish
and
what
we're
all
trying
to
accomplish
in
terms
of
improving
housing.
Affordability.
C
If
people
doubt
that,
I
really
think
that
you
know,
please
provide
your
input
and
comments,
we're
open
to
hearing
that
we'd
love
to
hear
what
your
suggestions
are
and
let's
turn
it
back
to
our
commissioners.
So
we're
gonna
bring
back
the
commissioners
for
any
discussion,
and
I
think
we
can
close
this
out
since
the
study
session
and
probably
take
a
break
in
the
next
five
minutes.
As
we've
been
going
pretty
hard
viceroy.
B
Oh
thank
you.
So
I
wonder
if
the
consultants
could
discuss
the
cost
of
different
heights
of
buildings.
I
think
one
of
the
speakers
during
communications
mentioned
the
cost,
and
I
was
looking
it
up
during
the
meeting,
so
it
sounds
like
it's
very
expensive
for
a
developer
to
go
more
than
seven
stories.
B
M
As
part
of
the
site
selection
at
this
point,
we're
not
looking
for
that
level
of
detail,
but
I
can
talk
generally
about
construction
types
and
how
those
relate
with
cost
generally,
due
to
the
construction
costs
that
you
were
seeing
in
the
bay
area
nationally.
The
thing
that's
penciling
most
easily
in
in
terms
of
height
is
a
four-story
wood
structure.
M
When
you
see
denser
sites
have
four-story
wood
over
a
concrete
podium,
but
that
type
of
thing
is
not
penciling
great.
As
you
start
going
up
in
height,
you
can
move
in
from
type
five
to
type
three
construction,
and
you
can
get
up
to
that
six
floors,
which
is
a
little
more
expensive,
but
generally
wood
construction.
M
Once
you
get
above
that,
and
you
get
into
what's
called
life
safety,
which
means
the
top
floor
level
is
75
feet
or
above
that's
when
the
costs
really
start
to
go
up,
because
you
have
additional
life
safety
components
to
add
in,
and
at
that
point,
like
one
of
the
commenters
correctly
said,
you
don't
build
a
seven
or
eight
floor
building.
You
have
to
go
higher
than
that
to
actually
make
the
construction
costs
work,
but
I
think
for
cupertino,
you
know
the
target
for
the
tallest
densest
is
probably
somewhere
in
that
wood
frame.
M
Four
to
five
floor
range.
That's
developable.
Fourth,
floor
with
parking,
which
is
called
right.
Yeah,
it's
called
a
texas
rap.
They
do
a
lot
of
this
in
texas,
where
you
take
a
parking
garage
in
the
middle,
you
wrap
it
with
a
wood
frame.
It's
very
efficient.
It's
fast
to
put
up
it.
Just
takes
a
larger
site
for
podium
construction.
M
You
can
get
a
slightly
smaller
site,
but
I
think
you
know
whenever
we
look
at
these
sites,
we'll
we'll
make
some
judgment
call
about
that
to
a
certain
extent,
but
I
think
over
four
to
five
floors,
probably
isn't
realistic
from
a
cost
perspective.
Right
now,.
C
Actually,
can
you
just
give
us
a
rough
idea?
What
is
a
cost
per
square
foot
for
construction
for
a
four-story
building
versus
seven?
I
think
people
need
to
jive
with
it.
Is
it
four
hundred
dollars
a
square
feet
right
versus
like
six
hundred
dollars
a
square
foot,
given
our
you
know
prevailing
wage
laws,
given
our
safety
laws,
our
earthquake
retrofit?
The
regulations
are
here
as
opposed
to
building
in
texas,
which
is
definitely
about
200
square
feet.
M
Yeah
I
mean
building
in
texas,
I
mean
the
land
costs
are
much
much
lower
in
texas,
the
labor
costs
are
lower
and
I
would
say,
in
the
bay
area
for
a
wood
floor
frame
project
you're,
probably
looking
maybe
550,
to
600
square
foot.
If
you
start
getting
into
the
higher
levels
of
concession,
you're,
looking
seven
eight
hundred
dollars
a
square
foot,
I
would
think
steel
prices
are
really
high.
Wood
prices
are
really
high,
that's
not
going
to
last
forever,
but
it
is
affecting
the
market
today.
M
C
Very
good
and
just
for
people's
reference
home
values
are
running
about
a
thousand
to
twelve
hundred
dollars
a
square
feet
here
in
cupertino
for
single
family
homes.
B
And
chair
wong,
I
point
out
that
our
veranda
project
in
cupertino,
which
was
completed
two
or
three
years
ago-
those
are
all
studio
apartments
and
they
were
about
780
000
per
unit
to
construct
those
studios.
So
that's
the
kind
of
thing
we're
looking
at
here
in
terms
of
construction
costs
so
obviously
to
build,
affordable
housing
we're
going
to
have
to
have
subsidies
from
the
state
government
federal
government.
B
You
know
the
county
doesn't
have
enough
money
and
obviously
the
city
doesn't
either
so
we're
going
to
have
to
look
forward
to
getting
some
some
cut.
The
developer
will
have
to
get
some
kind
of
money
in
order
to
build
these
projects.
M
M
They
understand
exactly
the
economics
of
the
projects
and
how
to
tap
into
that,
but
they
they
alone
cannot
develop
all
the
affordable
housing
and
it
turns
out
that
market
rate
projects
with
an
affordable
component
are
probably
responsible
for
the
largest
amount
of
affordable
housing,
and
they
do
it
through
subsidizing.
The
construction
of
that
affordable
housing
through
a
percentage
of
the
cost.
B
But
the
reason
they're
not
building
out
that
they
just
can't
charge
enough
rent
to
subsidize
that
that
bmr
housing-
and
I
I
don't
know
when
that's
going
to
change.
You
know
in
the
bay
area.
But
I
mean
you
can
look
at
the
rent
graphs
and
see
see.
What's
going
on.
C
Let
me
give
every
commissioner
three
minutes
to
share
their
thoughts,
all
right
and
no,
no,
no,
I'm
just
afraid.
Some
people
here
might
actually
have
to
do
the
bio
break
since
we've
been
going
this
far
in
this
long.
So
we'll
go
commissioner
maripotla
and
commissioner
kapil
and
then
and
then
I'll
close
with
some
comments
and
then
thank
our
staff
and
our
consultants
so
go
ahead.
Yeah.
F
So
I'd
like
to
thank
the
staff,
you
know
for
all
the
data
that
they
put
together.
It's
very
informative.
One
section
you
know
when
you
put
up,
you
know,
charts
like
you
know,
bar
charts
and
some
of
those
you
know
maps
as
one
of
the
residents
commented.
You
know,
please
include
another
context
right
because
I
also
misread
you
know
exactly
like
no.
She
was
saying
you
know
like
wow,
thousands
of
people
participated.
I
didn't
know
what
those
numbers
stood
for
and
looks
like
you
know.
Only
seven
people
participated
so
so
the
so.
F
F
Good
input
from
resident-
and
I
agree
with
that-
I
have
a
question
for
the
consultants
right,
so
I've
been
on
the
commission
for
some
time
and
you
know
I
keep
hearing
you
know
like.
Sometimes
it
gets
very
tiring,
like
you
know,
when
people
just
constantly
you
know
keep
attacking
as
if
you
know
we
are
blocking.
You
know
these
development
activities.
F
When
you
know
we
have
we
hear
all
these
comments
that
you
know
there
are
real
challenges,
the
construction
cost
and
then
the
cost
of
you
know
building
seven
stories
up
ten
stories
right.
So
so
I
just
have
a
question
to
the
consultant.
Like
you
know,
do
you
see
the
same
kind
of
a
you
know:
attacks
for
lack
of
better
term.
You
know
by
people
for
other
commissions,
you
know
when
you
go
and
you
know
do
the
same
work
that
you're
doing
for
us
for
other
cities.
F
I'm
just
curious
right
because
I
feel,
like
you
know
we
unfairly
get.
You
know
pinned
or
blamed
right
for
as
if
you
know
we're
getting
standing
in
the
way
like
you
know,
the
valco
project
is
approved,
nobody's
in
the
way
of
you
know,
building
that
that
the
developer
building
the
project-
and
so
is
you
know
the
the
one,
the
what's
that
property
called
right
next
to
the
apple,
that
one
is
approved
too,
but
they're
not
building.
So
so.
L
So
yeah
I
appreciate
this-
is
that
I
love
that's
that's
happening
and
it's
good
questions
from
the
commissioners,
but
if
we
can
turn
this
back
to
this,
this
arena
discussion
and
the
site
selection,
if
somehow
you
can
frame
your
response,
that'd
be
really
good.
C
Yeah,
let's
turn
the
response
and
let's
do
it
this
way
and
thank
you
michael
for
providing
the
legal
guidance
there.
Let's
ask
the
question
as
to
what
do
other
cities
face
and
what
are
other
people
saying?
You've
had
those
learnings,
you
go
to
different
cities
and
I
think
we,
I
think
the
public
would
actually
value
that
input
and
help
us
understand
how
we
fit
in
the
larger
process.
M
Well,
I'll,
let
you
weigh
in
on
the
sandy
terms
your
other
housing
element
work
but
I'll
say
generally
that
your
experiences
are
not
unusual
in
the
bay
area.
We
do
hear
a
lot
of
that
at
different
cities
and
it's
a
struggle
to
build
housing
and
it
has
a
lot
of
different
reasons.
And
it's
you
know:
it's
market
forces.
It's
it's
zoning
challenges,
it's
parking,
it's
all
that.
So
it
really
depends
by
municipality.
But
it's
very
typical.
C
Okay:
let's
go
to
commission
rick
appeal:
let's
get
your.
E
Yeah,
it
was
pretty
good,
actually
a
lot
of
information
in
there
and
the
only
thing
I
just
kind
of
want
to
point
out-
or
maybe
it's
a
suggestion
there-
that
when
you
consider
housing,
element,
site
selection
on
a
map
or
something
like
that,
are
you,
I
am
sure,
you're
considering
the
transportation
and
other
aspects
of
the
community
which
is
going
to
populate
this
housing
element
sites,
so
is
there?
Transportation
plays
any
role
there,
because
the
reason
is
I
and
what
I
saw
in
that
housing
site
selection
map.
It's
very
uneven.
E
I
mean,
to
put
it
mildly.
It
is,
it
is
one
one
set
of
area
is
a
heavily
dominated
site,
selected
and
other
area
is
completely
vacant.
I
mean,
to
put
it
very
mildly,
this
thing,
so
that
could
be
for
various
reasons,
because
somebody
said
that
the
property
owners
are
not
willing
to
to
accept
those
sites
for
development
or
for
various
other
reasons.
But
my
point
is
that
it
could
be
because
there
is
a
good
transportation
on
that
side
of
things
where
you
have
selected
those
housing
sites
and
the
other
side.
E
We
are
not
so
easily
commutable.
That
could
be
one
reason
or
second
reason
could
be.
The
cost
of
that
is
that
I
do
know
that
west
side
has
very
big
family
lots.
It's
not
that
they
are
5
000
square
feet
or
something
like
that.
They
are
10
to
12
000
square
feet
block
so
effectively.
E
N
E
Was
located
on
the
east
side
only
if
you
can
go
back
to
that
map,
you
will
notice
that
except
those
25-26
circles
on
the
west
side,
everything
else
was
low
density
development
on
the
west
side
of
the
thing.
So
so
there
is
a
definitely
a
reason
out
there.
It
could
be
a
cost,
it
could
be
transportation
or
something
of
that
nature
which
probably
can
be
taken
into
account
to
you
know
even
out
the
the
distribution
area.
That's
all.
H
M
Okay,
I
can
comment
generally
on
that
I
think
andy
can
can
talk
a
little
about
this
as
well,
but
the
the
blue
sites
that
are
shown.
The
reason
you
don't
see
so
many
on
the
west
side
is
it's
simply.
It's
an
area
issue.
So
the
hcd
says
that
you
typically,
the
suggestion
is
the
smallest
site
that
you
would
take
would
be
half
an
acre
which
would
be
21
780
square
feet
and
most
of
those
lots
just
don't
meet
that
definition.
J
J
I'm
sorry,
the
other
thing
that
our
mapping
doesn't
take
into
consideration
is
the
effects
of
sv9.
So
most
of
those
sites
on
the
west
side
are
actually
rather
good.
Candidates,
potentially
for
sb9,
we'll
be
getting
further
guidance
from
hcd
in
this
coming
month
about
how
to
apply
sv9
for
our
housing
element.
How
much
we
can
we
can
count
those
potential
sites
that
there
are
opportunities.
If
we
wanted
to
incentivize
the
act
of
sb9
on
the
west,
then
there
could
be
an
openness.
J
There
could
be
ways
to
incentivize
that.
So,
if
that's
a
policy
question
that
we
want
to
take
into
consideration,
there
was
a
question
earlier
about
our
timing,
and
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
we've
got
to
get
our
sequa
our
our
eir
initiated
soon,
and
that
that
goes
to
your
question
about
transportation.
J
Transportation
will
be
fully
analyzed
as
we
get
to
the
eir
process,
but
we
have
to
start
that
soon
if
we're
going
to
make
our
deadline.
So
that's
why
we
need
to
get
our
sites
underway
as
soon
as
possible.
G
Add
a
couple
of
things
to
this
discussion.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
for
commissioner
kapilsaken
for
anyone
else
that
quite
did
maybe
get
the
map.
The
first
map
with
the
blue
sides
is
really
just
sites
that
meet
that
site
criteria,
as
david
pointed
out.
So
essentially,
if
these
are
not
chosen
sites,
those
are
not
like
any
sites
that
staff
has
chosen
or
the
the
consultant
has
chosen
as
sites
that
would
be
rezoned
or
included
in
the
housing
element.
G
That's
just
a
map
shown
for
purposes
of
discussion
to
allow
the
commission
to
tell
us
you
know
which
sites
it
might
wish
not
to
consider,
for
example,
among
those
blue
sites.
The
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
point
out
is
yes:
there
are
some
sites
that
are
fairly
large
on
the
the
west
side.
Those
are
up
in
the
hills.
G
They
have
pretty
steep
slopes
and
things
like
that,
but
they're
also
in
the
high
fire
severity
zone,
areas
and
hcd
may
or
may
not
accept
those
sites,
because
they're
in
the
high
wildfire
zone
areas
on
the
priority
housing
list
so
and
they
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
about
that
also
so
those
are
not
necessarily
shown
on
there,
but
all
the
other
sites
that
are
shown
on
there
are
basically
sites
that
are
potentially
developed,
developable
or
underdeveloped,
currently
in
the
city
that
meet
that
the
site
criteria
that
that
was
that's
recommended
by
ecd.
G
C
G
E
Whatever
was
put
forward
not
to
say
that
it
was
wrong
or
right
basically,
I
mean
there's.
Of
course,
more
thought
needs
to
be
given
in
that
probably.
C
G
Oh,
yes,
we
could
absolutely
the
council,
the
city
I
mean.
G
C
No
totally
understand
okay.
This
is
great.
Okay.
Now,
commissioner
kabir
you're
done.
Thank
you
yeah.
No,
no
problem,
great
questions,
big
comments.
I
just
want
to
make
some
comments
here.
I've
I've
talked
to
a
numerous
number
of
residents.
They
do
have
some
concerns.
They
want
to
make
sure
we
protect
our
religious
sites.
They
want
to
make
sure
that
these
places
of
worship
are
not
discriminated
against
and
that
they
are
protected
and
not
turned
in,
because
there
are
typically
five
acres.
10
acres,
some
of
these
religious
sites.
C
There's
we've
talked
to
other
individuals
along
the
way,
and
there
was
a
comment
you
know
many
people
have
actually
expressed
this.
You
know
if
we
continue
to
upzone
properties
that
don't
get
built.
Are
we
just
rewarding
folks
for
waiting?
And
so
can
we
actually
liminalize
that?
So
if
we
hey
you,
you
know
we
up.
So
we
gave
you
the
zoning,
you
better
pull
permit,
let's
get
building,
let's
stop
waiting
right,
that's
nothing!
C
We
can
control
as
a
city,
but
maybe
there
are
things
that
we
can
do
from
a
policy
perspective
to
improve
that,
and
then
I
do
want
to
thank
the
consultants.
I
know
you
spent
a
lot
of
time
here
spent
a
lot
of
time
working
on
this,
so
david
luke
and
andy.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
work
you've
done.
I
think
it's
very
helpful.
I
really
appreciate
the
process.
We're
here
to
you
know
ensure
we've
got
a
equitable,
inclusive,
fair
housing
element
that
represents
our
residents
interest.
That
represents
the
region's
interest.
C
That
also
takes
into
account.
You
know,
equity
across
the
neighborhoods
here
and
also
thinking
about
what
the
long-term
impact
for
housing
will
be,
and
then,
of
course,
I
really
do
hope.
We
get
revised
arena
numbers
as
there's
an
hcd
audit
going
on,
and
maybe
that
will
actually
impact
and
hopefully
give
us
that
much
more
realistic
numbers
that
represent
where
our
population
growth
is
and
the
trending
of
the
population
growth.
C
So
I
think
all
those
factors
are
probably
going
to
come
through,
and
I
really
appreciate
your
work
and
with
that
I
think
we
can
move
on
to
the
next
agenda
item.
Thank
you
for
participating
thanks
for
the
public
input.
I
think
that
was
amazing
and
really
appreciate
all
that.
G
O
Look
go
ahead,
yeah
because
we're
scheduled
to
come
back
on
february
22nd
before
you
to
kind
of
wrap
this
up,
and
this
was
sort
of
a
lot
of
information
tonight,
a
lot
of
the
maps
just
to
get
people
familiar.
O
That
would
help
you
in
terms
of
site
selection,
something
we
didn't
have
tonight,
because
I
think,
as
andy
has
said,
we
we
have
a
pretty
ambitious
schedule
to
meet
the
hcd
deadline
and
4822
is
going
to
be
coming
up
quickly.
So
I
would
just
like
to
know
be
new
to
the
city.
If
there's
something
that
we
could
provide
you,
that
would
help
that
mean.
C
Facetiously,
it
would
be
nice
to
have
this
in
the
meta
reverse,
so
we
can
experience
this.
I
went
to
20
of
the
26
sites
of
people
who
actually
said
I
want
to
volunteer
my
property.
I
was
kind
of
a
pain
in
the
butt
I
wish
I
could
have
videotaped
and
everyone
else
could
see
it,
but
I
think
it's
anything
to
help
the
public
understand
the
impact
of
what
development
will
be
like
or
the
benefits
of
what
development
will
be
like
and-
and
I
don't
know
how
any
better
way
to
visualize
it.
C
I
know
these
layers
actually
were
very
useful,
but
it
isn't
until
you
actually
get
onto
the
property
site,
and
it's
like,
oh
god,
that's
not
going
to
work
right
or
you
go
in
there.
It's
like,
oh
god,
we
can
actually
do
something
great
here,
and
this
would
be
amazing
right.
So
so
I
think
I
think
any
way
to
do
that.
To
put
some
pictures
to
the
sites
might
even
be
more
helpful.
Just
for
now
I'll
see
what
other
commissioners
believe.
Commission,
capital
and
commissioner
vice
church
go
ahead.
E
Is
there
a
any
cost
imperative
to
the
to
the
site
selection
based
on
the
choice
and
how
much
that
sharing
done?
If
you
are
doing
a
commercial
press,
residential
or
things
like
that
on,
that
is
that
the
property
owner
bears
that
or
is
that
a
different
options
around
there?
For
that?
That
might
be
one
of
the
hindrances
of
not
opting
your
property
or
could
be
one
of
those
things,
probably
just
clarifying
that
in
your
data
or
just
putting
a
bullet
like
that,
probably
might
have.
O
I
mean
yeah,
we
do
need
to
look
at
constraints
which
can
include
fees
and
a
whole
range
of
things,
anything
that
could
hinder
property
to
development.
We
need
to
identify
in
the
housing
element,
but
yeah.
I
was
just
really
trying
to
focus
on
february
22,
because
I
know
these
meetings
keep
coming
up
to
try
to
advance
the
discussion
towards
actually
selecting
sites.
O
So
I
appreciate
it
the
chairs
comment
about
maybe
having
more
visual
information
that
focuses
on
the
site,
so
you
could
look
at
that
and
see
if
there's
anything
that
could
be
an
obstacle,
but
any
thoughts
you
have
would
be
helpful
to
staff.
G
Certainly,
among
other
thoughts,
you
know
like
what
kind
of
heights
the
you
know
the
commission
might
be
considering
when
they're
looking
at
these
sites,
for
example,
you
know
it'll,
give
us
an
idea
to
bring
those
images
back
to,
because
you
know
our
expectation
of
or
our
idea
of
what
development
could
look
like
or
should
look
like
on
on.
A
particular
site
may
not
be
the
same
as
the
commissions,
and
it
would
be
very
helpful
to
us
to
kind
of
visualize
what
the
commission
wishes
to.
C
No,
I
really
appreciate
that
and
thanks
for
asking
for
that
input
and
I
encourage
the
public
to
also
use
the
model
and
simulation
as
well
to
go.
Do
that
vice
chair,
sharp
I'll,
give
you
the
last
question
and
oh
andy,
are
you
asking
questions?
Sorry.
Are
you
raising
your
hand?
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
not
missing
out.
Oh.
J
I
was
just
thanking
you
for
directing
people
to
the
simulator
and
you
can
find
that
on
on
that
same
housing
cupitino.org.
So
thank
you.
C
Yeah,
no,
no,
it's
great
and
it's
a
great
tool.
I
hope
more
people
use
it.
We
need
more
than
seven
data
points,
so
we
need
at
least
like
30,
maybe
to
get
some
some
level
statistical
significance.
But
yes,
vice
chair
shark,
please
good.
B
Oh
okay,
so
for
february
22nd,
if
we
could
have
an
idea
of
a
the
heights
that
these
property
owners
are
thinking
of
building.
I
know
it
was
mentioned
that
practically
speaking,
if
these
are
not
going
to
be,
you
know
super
high
buildings
just
because
it's
too
expensive,
but
also
are
they
thinking
of
rental
units
or
for
sale
units
and
all
because
that
that
affects
the
schools,
because
if
it's
rental,
you
get
a
lot
more
turnover
of
students
and
you
get
a
higher
average
time
average
student
impact.
If
it's
for
sale.
B
B
So
you
know
I
I
think
it's
great
to
have
for
sale
housing,
but
it
does
mean
fewer
new
students
for
schools
and
areas
that
might
benefit
from
more
students.
So
if
we,
if
we
could
have
some
idea
on
february
22nd
of
what
these
site
owners
are
thinking
of
building-
or
maybe
it's
too
early
for
that-
I
I
don't
know,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
have.
C
C
Actually
think
about
options
for
base
base
year
value
transfer
right
for
people
to
hit
55,
and
I
might
actually
accelerate
that
as
we
think
about
that
and
school
impact,
I'm
sorry
go
ahead.
G
I
was
just
suggesting
yes,
certainly
as
as
property
owners.
You
know
come
in
and
talk
to
us
and
I'm
not
sure
how
many
may
even
contact
us
before
the
22nd,
but
you
know
to
the
extent
that
we
have
that
data
we'll
be
happy
to
share
that
data.
But
you
know
it's
it's
not
just
what
the
property
owners
want
to
build,
but
what
you
know
the
the
city
may
want
to
envision
on
the
property.
G
You
know
whether
that's
you
know
there
are
no
apartments
on
the
west
side,
for
example,
or
you
know
there
are
fewer
ownership
units
on
the
east
side
or
whatever.
That
is.
You
know
that
kind
of
that
kind
of
intangible.
You
know.
Input
might
also
help
us
kind
of
come
up
with
the
zoning
standards
that
could
accommodate
that
can
be
accommodated
on
property.
C
Yeah
we
could
get
real
stores
to
knock
on
doors
and
find
four
adjacent
property
loans
and
say:
hey,
we'll,
buy
you
out
and
build
an
apartment,
complex
here.
Oh
you
can
encourage
folks
to
do
that.
Sorry,.
B
One
other
thing
that
has
been
happening
throughout
the
state
is
these
conver
a
conversion
of
existing
hotels
into
housing
with
project
home
key,
and
I
know
we've
got
two
hotels
approved
in
cupertino
and
given
the
long-term
results
of
business
travel,
they
may
not
move
forward
and
there's
other
hotels
that
may
even
want
to
convert
to
housing.
So
I
think
some
of
those
existing
hotel
sites,
I'm
not
sure,
if
they're
in
our
list.
G
B
M
C
Yeah,
thanks
for
we've,
exhausted
all
comments
and
questions
here
really
appreciate
everyone
here.
So
thank
you
for
being
here,
david,
andy
and
luke.
Thank
you
for
spearheading
this.
On
the
staff
side,
we
appreciate
everybody's
help,
we're
going
to
take
a
10
minute
break
and
let's
come
back
here
at
9
15
for
those
following
along
and
we'll
get
to
the
next
agenda
item.
So
thank
you.
Everybody
we'll
be
back
in
10
minutes.
C
C
C
C
C
C
A
A
A
A
A
H
A
A
A
C
Thanks
for
taking
the
break
and
for
the
public,
that's
following
along
and
really
appreciate
so.
C
Yep
and
yeah
for
those
listening
in
this
is
great
and
thank
you
for
enjoying
the
metaverse
conversation
a
little
update
on
ces.
You
should
be
talking
about
the
niners
la
game.
It's
gonna
be
a
very
fun
game
for
the
nfc
champion.
We
know
who's
on
which
side
there
you
might
have
some
transplants.
C
You
know
along
the
way,
so
all
right
well
welcome
back
everybody.
I
am
super
excited.
We
item
number
three,
the
election
of
the
planning
commission,
chair
and
vice
chair
and
committee
representatives.
That's
item
number
three.
You
know
recommended
action
like
planning,
commission,
your
chair
and
vice
chair,
appoint
representative
and
alternate
alternates
for
the
erc
drc
and
housing,
commission
and
economic
development
committee
and
discuss
the
hearing
schedule
for
2022.
C
before
we
do
that.
I
want
to
thank
everybody.
I
want
to
thank
the
staff
you
know.
I
want
to
thank
the
commissioners
that
are
here
today.
I
really
I've
had
a
wonderful
time
being
chair,
I'm
not
interested
in
running
for
chair
again
I'll
make
that
clear.
But
if
you
do
vote
me
in
it'll
be
very
interesting,
but
yes
and
we're
doing
the
selection
process
before
we
do
that.
C
G
I
do
believe
that
you
also
got
an
updated
staff
report
as
a
redline
document
this
afternoon.
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that,
for
the
record.
C
Oh
yes,
definitely
definitely,
please
check
the
updates
on
the
website
and
they'll
have
that
discussion.
So
here's
you
know
the
recommended
action
is
to
point
that
discussion.
Piece
selections
for
chair
and
vice
chair
are
typically
based
on
seniority
and
are
rotated
among
commissioners.
C
The
vice
chair
is
typically
selected
by
the
commissioners
as
the
current
chair,
the
current
vice
chairs,
commissioner
char,
but
it
doesn't
have
to
follow
that,
but
that's
typically
the
tradition,
I'll
read
out
the
committee,
so
the
public
knows
environmental
review
committee.
Historically,
the
chair
of
the
planning
committee
serves
on
the
environmental
review
committee.
However,
the
commission
can
elect
another
commissioner.
The
planning
commission's
recommended
erc
member
will
be
accepted
formally
by
the
city
council
at
one
of
its
meetings
in
the
drc
in
the
design
review
committee.
C
According
to
our
cmc
code
2.90.050,
the
vice
chair
of
the
planning
commission
is
the
chair
of
the
drc.
Therefore,
the
commission
only
needs
to
select
one
commissioner
as
an
alternate,
so
we'll
do
that
process
as
well.
Michael,
please
lead
us
through
this,
so
we
don't
get
confused
and
then
the
housing
commission
has
a
matter
of
interest
and
not
because
there
are
requirements
to
do
so.
The
planning
commission
selects
a
representative
to
attend
housing
commission
for
ongoing
coordination.
C
The
planning
commission
is
observed
at
these
meetings
is
not
a
voting
member
and
will
have
no
term
of
office.
The
selection
is
usually
determined
by
the
voluntary
commissioner
interest.
The
current
representative
may
be
reappointed
or,
if
you
or
a
new
representative
may
be
selected
and
of
course
we
have
an
economic
development
committee
each
year.
C
The
planning
commission
sends
a
representative
to
the
edc
to
help
enhance
awareness
and
communication
with
cupertino
business
owners,
which
is
something
we
probably
should
do
more
of
the
edc
is
an
ad
hoc
committee
and
is
currently
under
restructure
within
the
city
council.
The
commission
may
choose
to
reappoint
the
current
representative
or
appoint
a
new
one
that
may
be
selected
once
the
restructuring
is
completed.
So
thank
you,
sarah,
for
putting
this
together
and
a
very,
very
good
note
for
all
of
us
to
look
at
so.
A
C
L
I
don't
think
you'll
miss
anything
sharon,
you're
currently
still
chair.
This
is
going
to
be
a
democratic
process
and
you
know
there
is
a
majority
vote
should
go
through
these.
That's
fine
to
the
extent
that,
for
at
least
for
the
duration
of
this
meeting,
you
continue
to
be
chair,
and
so
you
know
you're
happy
to
take
nominations.
People
can
self-nominate
themselves
and
then
you
know
there's
a
second
and
then
you
know
sarah
can
kick
the
vote
and
I
think
that
would
that
would
be
the
process.
C
God
we're
four
people.
It
could
be
a
2-2
vote.
It
could
get
exciting
here,
just
like
our
nfl
playoffs,
all
right.
Anyone
with
a
nomination
for
someone
to
be
chair,
so
I.
C
B
Okay,
yeah.
B
I'm
willing
to
be
chair,
although
I'd
be
thrilled
if
chair
wong
would
do
another
year,
but
I
understand
that
I
think
you've
done.
Have
you
done
two
years
already?
I
don't
know.
C
C
Okay,
all
right
any
other
discussion,
any
points
any
comments,
anyone
else
from
the
commission
without
anything,
okay,
cyra,
let's
take
a
vote.
F
D
G
Just
wanted
to
check
with
michael
and
michael
can
correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong,
is
there
any
need
to
have
a
public
hearing
on
any
of
these
data
films.
L
C
Yeah
yeah
well
we'll
go
back
resend,
resend,
resend,
okay.
So,
let's,
let's
ask
for
any
public
comment
as
well
in
this
process.
If
you've
got
a
comment
or
question,
please
raise
your
hand.
You've
got
three
minutes.
So
thank
you
for
asking
a
question
pew
and
thank
you
michael
for
confirming.
C
We
have
no
comments.
We
will
go
back
to
the
vote
so
all
right.
Let's
retake
the
vote,
sir.
His
commissioners
have
changed
their
mind.
F
D
C
All
right,
let's
do
the
vice
chair
election
and
I
would
like
to
nominate
commissioner
mari
patla,
so.
C
F
You
be
interested
right,
so
yeah
I
know.
Certainly
you
know
I
would
be
happy
to
work
with
chair
steven
right,
so
it
brings
a
lot
of
experience
and
so
certainly
no
yeah
I'll
be
a
good
understudy
for
him.
C
Okay
by
ster
sharp,
you
have
some
comments.
Commission
compile
we'll
get
to
you
as
well.
Vice
chair.
B
No,
no,
I
I
think
I'm
thrilled
to
support
mooney
as
well.
I
think,
over
the
past
year,
he's
proven
himself
to
be
asking
specific
questions,
good
questions
and
has
the
interests
of
the
community
at
heart.
E
Yeah
I
mean
I
personally
do
think
that
he
has
been
asking
relevant
questions
in
the
commission
and
as
long
as
you
are
there,
so
your
experience
will
be
always
available.
So
I
have
no
objection.
C
Okay,
yeah,
I
know
I
support
moony,
I
think
you've
been
very
active
in
the
community
and
it's
a
good
progression
of
all
the
different
commissions
you've
been
on
and
and
really
the
active
piece
here.
I
think
it's
very
important
for
everybody
here
on
the
commission
to
have
an
opportunity
to
see
how
it
works
from
all
different
angles
and
really
really
appreciate
you
thinking
about
the
vice
chair
position.
So,
okay,
let's
take
the
votes,
tyro.
P
P
C
Okay,
so
now
it
gets
a
little
bit
more
confusing
because
we
have
to
add
specific
members
along
the
way,
so
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
adding
the
right
folks,
we
need
to
add
a
additional
individual
right
now.
I
think
believe
it
is
that
to
the
I
always
get
the
erc
drc
from
mixed
up.
So
let
me
double
check.
We
have
to
add
x,
an
additional
person
to
the
drc.
Is
that
correct.
C
Okay,
all
right
so
auditioning
with
a
future
chair,
sharp
the
drc
will
now
be
staffed
with
commissioner
kapil.
So
very
good
and
that's
not
elected.
We
just
assign
those.
C
If
I
remember
that's,
correct
and
then
back
to
the
housing
commission.
If
that's
correct,
you
know,
I
think,
that's
we
don't
really
do
we
have
a
representative
that
wants
to
go
to
the
housing
commission.
D
Yes,
let
me
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen
so
that
way
you
can
see
what
I
have
here.
D
Can
everyone
see
my
screen?
Okay,.
D
So
I'll
go
ahead
and
I'll
make
sure
to
get
this
out
to
the
commission
once
it's
finalized
at
tonight's
me,
so
we
were
on
designer
review
committee.
That
was,
I
believe,
commissioner
kapil
volunteered.
A
O
C
D
C
C
E
C
C
B
I'll
do
the
edc
if
it
ever
comes.
E
C
No,
it
did
not.
I
was.
B
C
D
We'll
do,
and
I
just
wanna
confirm
since
we're
on
this
topic
for
the
mayor's
meeting
at
the
october
meeting,
who
was
going
to
replace
kapil
at
the
october
meeting.
E
D
Understood,
okay,
so
then
we
will
need
somebody
for
the
january
meeting.
C
Okay,
great
we're
just
dropping
and
jotting
these
down
as
fast
as
you
can
like.
Oh
it's,
a
good
idea,
all
right
cool.
I
think
we've
succeeded
in
completing
this
piece.
Any
other
comments,
any
other
things
that
we
need
to
do
before.
C
Tbd
is
whether
a
commissioner
saxon
would
be
interested
in
being
part.
B
I
would
just
like
to
thank
ray
for
his
service
as
chair
for
the
last
two
years.
I
think
he's
he's
done.
A
wonderful
job.
He's
accurately
pointed
out
things
that
needed
to
be
said
so
good
job
ray
yeah.
F
I
I
know
I
I
know
stephen's
comment
right,
so
both
bray
and
stephen
s,
white
chair,
I
think
you
know
I'm
amazed.
You
know
the
level
of
details.
You
know
that
you
both
the
understanding
that
you
have
on
the
process
and
you
know
and
and
the
quotes
and
all
that
stuff.
So
you
know
it's
a
great
learning
experience
for
me.
So
I'll
learn
more
working
with
steven
closely,
so
we
are
lucky
to
have
you.
So
thank
you.
C
Okay
with
that,
thank
you
everybody.
We
will
move
on
to
our
last
item
and
I
believe
that's
we're
just
reviewing
something
on
the
planning
commissioner's
academy,
which
would
be
really
important
for
everyone
to
attend
and
get
an
update
of
all
the
wonderful
bills
that
have
been
passed
over
the
past
year
or
two
so
q.
What's
going
on
what
date
is
it
and
what
do
we
need
to
do
to
sign
up.
G
G
This
saira-
and
you
know
our
our
management
analysts
will
be
very
happy
to
sign
up
any
planning,
commissioners
that
are
interested
in
attending
this
session.
I
believe
it
is
still
in
person.
I
have
not
heard
that
it
is
going
to
be
virtual,
so
it
is
something
that
I'm
going
to.
Thank
you,
sorry.
Are
you.
F
G
C
G
16Th
through
the
18th
of
the
san
ramon
marriott-
and
there
are
the
courses
and
courses
that
are
available
are
all
in
here.
Rather
the
sessions
that
are
in
here
so
there's
a
lot
to
be
learned
from
this.
It
does
have
interesting
sessions
on
the
housing
laws.
It
does
talk
about.
You
know
stuff
related
to
planning
essentially,
and
it
also
has
some
sp9
stuff
in
there.
F
G
F
I'd
like
to
attend,
I
I
I'm
looking
at
my
calendar.
It
looks
like
you
know.
I
blocked
this
these
three
days
on
the
calendar
so.
G
And
if
it's
any
of
any
help,
the
conference
schedule
is
currently
shown
on
the
screen
so
wednesday,
thursday,
friday
march
16th,
17th
and
18th.
Okay,.
C
Yeah,
if
you
go
early,
you'll,
get
a
walking
tour
of
san
ramon
and
what
they're
doing,
and
then
you
know
on
the
first
day
and
then
the
second
day
is
a
lot
of
the
different
educational
sessions
you
might
want
to
get
updated
to
the
bills.
You
can
meet
some
of
the
folks
who
are
in
hcd
ask
them
why
they
do
the
things
that
they
do,
and
you
know
what
we
can
do
to
improve
things.
G
G
Yes
and
we'll
be
we'll
take
care
of
the
registration
process,
and
you
know
you
basically
will
just
attempt
it
we'll
send
you
all
the
information
yeah,
the
travel's.
C
Covered
and
you
can
file
an
expense
report
for
that
as
well.
G
G
Yes,
the
stealth
variant
in
the
santa
clara
county,
but
anyway
sign
that
aside
currency,
it
is
scheduled
to
be
in
person.
Okay,.
I
C
Yeah
and
the
other
thing
too
is
well
if
you
do
get
a
chance,
there's
some
great
resources
from
previous
years.
You
can
always
see
the
presentations
as
well
after
the
fact,
and
they
provide
those.
So
you
can
get
a
refresher
before
we
get
there
as
well
so
good
stuff
to
read.
C
Okay,
well,
thank
you
very
much
look
forward
to
going
to
that
and
hopefully
see
everybody
there
as
well.
Okay
with
that,
I
don't
think
we
have
other
any
other
agenda
items.
Please
correct
me
if
I
missed
that
and
if
that's
the
case,
we
can
adjourn
wait
no
in
case
you
have
announcements
and
and
other
things.
So,
let's
see
if
anybody
has
any
other
announcements
and
commission
staff
reports,
so
any
staff
reports
so
so.
C
C
Comment:
okay,
commissioner,.
F
F
I
I
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
procedural
thing
or
like,
I
think
it
was
in
the
bike.
Commission
right.
C
We're,
I
think,
we're
doing
the
appointments
that
start
in
the
february
term
so
that
I
think
it
might
have
been
an
election
year.
That
typically
happens
where
the
commissioners
haven't
all
been
elected.
Yet,
okay,
I
think
that
might
happen
that
or
if
the
city
council
member
gets
or
someone
gets
promoted
to
a
different
job
or
position.
F
Well,
yeah,
so
I
attended
the
mayor's
meeting
last
week.
I
think
it
was
last
week
or
the
week
before
and
just
trying
to
pull
up
my
notes
I'll,
send
the
notes
to
you,
sarah
and
copy
you
so
just
generally.
F
Know
what
we
have
done.
You
know
in
the
last
two
meetings,
because
there
was
no
meeting
in
december
and
then
there
are
updates
from
various
commissions,
and
so
I
captured
all
of
them
and
I'll
send
the
notes
to
you.
Okay,.
B
C
Okay,
okay,
yeah!
Thank
you
everybody
with
that.
I
will
adjourn
congratulations
to
the
new
chair,
scharf
and
the
new
vice
chair,
maripotla,
and
congratulations
there.
We
are
attending
the
january
25th
meeting
of
the
city,
cupertino
planning,
commission.
It
is
now
adjourned,
bye.
Everybody.
Thank
you.