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From YouTube: Cupertino Parks and Recreation Commission Meeting - May 18, 2022 (Live Streamed Version)
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Coverage of the May 18, 2022 Cupertino Parks and Recreation Commission Teleconference Meeting.
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Hi
good
evening
so
couple
things
I
want
to
say,
unfortunately,
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
stay
for
the
whole
meeting
of
another
meeting.
I
really
am
interested
in
in
your
agenda
item,
but
first
I
want
to
thank
parks
and
rec
department
and
any
of
you
who
may
have
had
some
influence
on
it
for
allowing
zoom
meetings
to
continue
as
far
as
classes
for
fitness,
because
it's
been
really
great
for
a
lot
of
us
to
be
able
to
do
that
and
not
have
to
come
into
the
building
or
have
the
classes
canceled
altogether.
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And
secondly,
I
wanted
to
request
that
you
consider
having
some
discussion
at
some
point
soon
about
the
naming
of
what
is
now
referred
to
as
lawrence
mitty
park.
Midi
is
a
street
in
san
jose
lawrence.
Expressway
is
just
that
an
expressway
and
it's
the
it's
a
county
road.
It's
not
in
any
city,
it
goes
through
cities,
but
it's
on
our
border,
but
it
is
not
even
our
road,
so
it
makes
little
to
no
sense
to
me
because
it's
not
a
very
attractive
name
or
it's
maybe
park,
and
it
doesn't
even
make
sense.
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It
sounds
like
you're
in
the
middle
of
this
awful
intersection
which
you're
just
at
the
end
of
this
awful
intersection.
So
I've
had
some
discussions
with
people
who
say:
oh
yeah
yeah.
I
shouldn't
say
that
and
there's
been
some
brainstorming
with
some
ideas,
and
I
don't
need
to
tell
you
those
now.
But
if
you
could,
please
assist
with
getting
the
name
to
be
a
more
appropriate
name
for
the
location
and
the
city
in
general,
and
that's
it.
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I
thought
maybe
I
lost
you
for
a
minute
so
so
good
evening.
Commissioners,
as
molly
said,
my
name
is
lisa
camelli,
I'm
a
project
manager
in
the
capital
improvement
program
for
the
city
tonight,
we'll
be
discussing
the
two
feasibility
studies
conducted
and
conducted
for
the
future
use
of
the
blackberry
farm.
Golf
course
we'll
also
be
soliciting
your
feedback
on
the
next
steps
of
this
project.
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I'd
like
to
give
you
an
overview
of
the
presentation
and
I'll
apologize
now
for
the
robust
agenda
on
the
on
the
presentation.
It's
a
little
bit
long-winded,
but
we'll
get
through
it
first
I'll
be
providing
some
gra
some
background
on
the
site
and
its
operation.
Then
I'll
discuss
current
issues
at
the
golf
course
that
are
compelling
the
city
to
look
more
closely
at
the
how
the
site
is
used.
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The
entire
site
is
approximately
16
acres
in
size
and
about
12.5.
Of
those
acres
require
irrigation
to
the
north.
Is
the
existing
golf
course
parking
lot,
which
is
adjacent
to
the
main
building
which
houses
the
pro
shop,
the
blue,
pheasant,
restaurant
and
and
the
restrooms
hole
number
one
is
immediately
adjacent
to
the
main
building
located
here
and
the
course
meanders
through
the
site
in
a
few
different
directions
and
hole.
Number
nine
begins
about
this
location
and
the
green
for
hole.
Number
nine
is
immediately
adjacent
to
the
existing
parking
lot.
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In
parallel
to
the
stevens
creek
corridor,
master
plan,
the
city
hired
the
national
gulf
foundation
to
look
at
options
for
renovation
of
the
golf
course.
At
that
time,
the
focus
was
on
completing
needed
repairs
to
the
course,
as
well
as
looking
into
ways
the
course
could
become
financially
self-sufficient.
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It
may
also
provide
an
opportunity
to
marginally
expand
the
footprint
of
some
teas
and
greens
that
are
undersized,
given
the
amount
of
use
the
course
sees
to
reduce
initial
costs.
The
teas
and
greens
can
be
selectively
replaced,
but
the
industry
standard
is
to
replace
them
every
six
to
ten
years,
so
reconstructing
teas
and
greens
during
renovation
and
installation
of
the
irrigation
system
is
the
best
use
of
downtime
for
the
forest.
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Also,
there
are
localized
locations
on
the
course
that
can
be
leveled
to
help
with
accessibility
and
prevent
people
from
slipping
on
sleep
steeper
slopes
additionally
netting
between
hole,
number
four
and
number
six
is
needed
to
prevent
errant
balls
from
hole.
Number
four,
hitting
a
person
teeing
off
on
hole,
number
six.
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First,
there
were
county
wide
water
use,
restrictions
which
were
implemented,
and
the
city
requested
that
the
company
maintaining
the
site
implement
water
restrictions
also
for
the
golf
course.
The
city
installed
a
higher
efficiency
control
system
for
the
irrigation
heads
at
that
time,
and
there
was
also
a
considerable
reduction
in
the
total
acreage
being
irrigated.
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Unfortunately,
we
do
not
have
specific
information
on
the
operational
reduction,
so
we
can't
tell
you
how
many
acres
have
been
irrigated
over
the
past
five
or
six
years.
It
has
been
considerably
it's.
It's
fluctuated
considerably
based
on
conditions,
but
we
do
know
that
periodically
nearly
one.
Third
of
the
sprinkler
heads
have
been
turned
off.
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Now,
with
a
new
irrigation
system,
ngf
is
projecting
water
use,
as
indicated
in
this
table.
If
you
focus
on
the
area
circled
in
red,
you
can
see
how
a
new
system
can
help
reduce
water
use,
while
still
providing
excellent
efficiency
and
effectiveness
on
the
far
left
is
the
total
acres
being
irrigated.
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If
we
use
a
current
baseline
of
8.5,
gallon
million
gallons
for
future
irrigation,
we
can
supply
about
12
acres
with
adequate
irrigation
year-round
in
times
of
further
water
use
restrictions.
We
can
easily
limit
the
acreage
being
irrigated
if
we
irrigate
9.5
acres
of
the
turf.
The
city
can
save
approximately
21
of
the
water
over
the
over
current
average.
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The
the
other
caveat
on
this
is
that
groundwork.
Groundwater
use
fees
have
increased
substantially
over
the
past
five
years
and
we
do
see
increases
coming
up
in
the
future.
Also,
this
led
us
to
the
conclusion
that
use
of
the
water
well
for
irrigation
of
the
air
of
the
golf
course
is
not
financially
or
environmentally
sound.
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The
cost
24
year
25-year
outlook
for
the
convert
to
habitat
option.
Option
b
includes
a
capital
investment
of
1.88
million
dollars,
a
25-year
ongoing
operations
and
maintenance
costs
of
10.22
million
and
a
total
cost
of
12.1
million.
Again.
These
costs
do
include
projected
revenues
and
they
do
not
account.
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Tonight
we
have
with
us
the
consultants
that
completed
the
studies
and
who
are
helping
us
with
this
project
to
assist
with
answering
any
questions
we
have
mig
with
us
tonight.
They
conducted
the
they
conducted
the
work
on
the
convert
to
habitat
option.
We
have
ngf
who
conducted
the
minor
repairs
study
and
we
also
have
cascadia
consulting
who
is
assisting
us
with
the
public
outreach
process.
So
we'll
take
your
questions.
Thank
you.
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I
saw
that
the
industry
standard
is
for
the
teas
and
greens
to
be
upgraded.
Every
six
to
ten
years
is
the
cost
for
that
included
in
the
25
year
outlook.
It
is
yes,
excellent.
Thank
you
and
the
comparison
of
the
city
labor
costs
between
the
the
golf
course
and
the
natural
habitat
it
looks
like
the
natural
habitat
are
much
higher
on
city
labor
costs,
and
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
give
us
a
little
bit
of
clarification
on
why
that
might.
G
Be
sure
I
can
tell
you
what
I
know
and
molly
or
jenny
may
be
able
to
chime
in
also,
so.
My
understanding
is
that
this
currently
this
site
is
maintained
by
a
private
party.
The
golf
course
is
predominantly
maintained
by
a
private
party.
The
maintenance
of
a
natural
area
would
probably
be
taken
over
by
our
ground
screws.
G
After
conversations
with
our
ground
crew
supervisors,
there's
the
assumption
that
we
would
need
one
and
a
half
full-time
persons
and
that's
based
on
a
average
acreage
of
about
12
acres
of
of
ongoing
grounds
maintenance.
Additionally,
costs
for
rangers
to
manage
the
site
and
for
safety
issues
would
also
add
to
the
cost
of
the
site.
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I
can
tell
you
that
the
contracted
price
right
now
is
about
205
000
a
year
to
our
turf
maintenance
contract,
and
that
has
been
that
contract
has
been
the
same
for
about
at
least
seven
years
now,
so
there
hasn't
been
any
increase
in
it.
So
we
are
currently
going
out
to
do
an
rfp
for
that
maintenance.
So
I'm
expecting
that
to
be
higher,
but
we
don't
really
know
what
exactly
that
will
be
until
we
get
that
completed.
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K
Sure
yeah,
I
think
it
probably
depends
on
what
kind
of
participation
you've
seen
in
past
surveys,
but
you
know,
I
think
one
thing
we
would
just
want
to
make
sure
of
regardless
is
that
we
feel
like
we've,
had
a
good
representative
sample
of
the
community
respond
to
the
survey.
So
I
think
that's
something
that
will
be
important
to
consider
as
we
evaluate
the
effectiveness
of
that
method.
D
Okay
and
just
one
more
question-
and
I'm
asking
this
just
because
I've
seen
council
members
ask
it
in
the
past
and
they've
asked
it
after
surveys
have
come
back
and
that
is
what
is
the.
Is
there
a
methodology
to
prohibit
one
individual
from
submitting
multiple
responses?
And
I
hope
I
know
the
answer
to
that.
But
I
just
want
to
get
it
on
the
record.
L
Yes,
sorry
about
my
voice,
so
we're
going
to
be
doing
the
survey
through
engage
cupertino
and
we
can
require
someone
to
register
for
an
account.
So
we
got
two
options
again.
I
have
the
survey
open,
just
the
general
public,
where
anyone
can
write.
Anyone
can
make
a
comment
and
take
the
survey
without
registering
or
they
can
register
for
an
account
through,
engage
cupertino,
and
we
can
only.
We
can
require
someone
to
have
a
account
with
us
and
then
it
locks
them
into
that.
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M
So
so
I
mean
I'm,
you
know
I'm
walking
that
trail
very
often
now,
and
I
just
love
that
trail
there.
I
do
have
some
questions
where
you
know.
With
regard
to
safety,
what
has
been,
what
has
been
you
know
what
analysis
or
what
have
you
done
from
a
perspective
of
understanding
what
the
safety
is,
because
you
do
see
signs
when
you
see
when
you
go
on
that
trail,
that
there's
rattlesnakes
and
there's
this
and
that
and
everything
else
there,
which
is
great.
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I
would
say
perhaps
molly
has
a
little
more
input
on
how
things
operate
at
mcfarland
ranch,
because
it
would
probably
be
something
parallel
to
that.
We
did
not
get
into
the
details
of
safety
related
issues
for
the
site
for
this
study.
That
would
be
something
that
would
be
safe
for
further
study.
If,
if
that
decision
is
made.
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I
mean
currently
at
mcqualin
ranch.
We
do
have
the
signage.
That's
out.
We
notice
people
if
there's
something
serious.
Like
a
mountain
lion,
we
close
down
the
trails.
We
have
a
whole
policy
for
incidents
that
might
come
up
like
that.
But,
aside
from
that,
you
know
it
is
a
nature
preserve.
We
do
expect
all
of
those
those
natural
beings
to
be
out
there
and
we
do
our
best
to
just
make
sure
that
people
are
aware.
If
there
is
some
kind
of
threat.
M
F
It
would
likely
be
a
ranger
there
during
the
daytime.
So
currently
our
rangers
work
approximately
eight
hour
days,
sometimes
longer
they
close
the
scenic
circle
gate
in
the
evenings,
and
I
would
expect
their
hours
to
be
a
little
bit
longer.
If
we
were
to
go
that
route,
you
would
probably
need
rangers
who
are
doing
a
little
bit
more
interpretive
work
than
what
they
do
currently,
so
it
definitely
wouldn't
be
overnight.
M
I'm
trying
to
remember
which
page
it
was
on
so
can
you
comment
a
little
bit
on
the
cost
that
you
provided
for
changing
it
into
a
natural
habitat?
How
much
you
expect
you
know
what
was
the?
What
was
the
analysis
based
on
and
how
much
you
expect.
You
know
it's.
Of
course
it
was
not
adjusted
for
inflation,
but
besides
that,
how
how
accurate
or
not
accurate
were
the
cause.
G
Sure
sure
I
can
address
that
so
so
the
mig
report
predominantly
addresses
the
capital
cost
elements
and
then
so
those
that
is
what's
called
a
rough
order
of
magnitude,
cost
estimate
which
is
probably
plus
or
minus
20
percent,
and
that
would
be
true
for
both
of
these
reports
beyond
the
capital
costs
associated
with
the
site.
I
work
closely
with
with
mig
to
get
more
detail
on
the
the
so
for
the
for
the
restoration
option,
the
native
habitat
option.
M
C
M
All
right,
so
we
still
have
we
don't
have
I
mean
it's
still
an
estimate,
but
you're
saying
it
is
plus
or
minus
20.
Okay,
one
more
issue
with
regard
to
the
bios.
Well,
that
that
can
you
put
that
map
back
up
again
and
show
me
where
and
does
that,
where
that
bio
swell
is
and
with
regard
to
you
know
it's
basically
storm
storm
water
that
goes
through
right.
So
how
does
that
affect?
You
know?
There
are
a
lot
of
homes
in
that
area.
G
N
Hello:
everyone
we
just
saw
that
bioswale
as
a
potential
feature
of
interest,
because
it's
a
little
bit
different
topography
and
as
an
opportunity
to
use
a
little
different
plant
palette
rather
than
going
in
and
re-grading
the
site
at
that
cost.
So
that
was
that
was
the
thought
behind
the
bios,
the
area.
We
call
the
bioswell,
it's
just
a
little
lower
area
in
in
topography.
Something
interesting
to
look
at
as
you
walk
by
on
a
trail.
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H
O
Hi
I'm
trying
to
unmute
it
okay,
I
did
it
okay.
Thank
you
again.
I
think
very
well
articulated
as
well
lister
the
report
and
then
how
to
compare.
I
was
just
taking
notes,
but
a
lot
of
things
are
very
clear,
so
thank
you
for
putting
that
out
and
for
the
consultants
worked
on
those
detailed
study,
a
few
questions
on
on
the
first
one
on
the
golf
course
side.
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I
Now
there
may
be
some,
maybe
issues
close
to
the
clubhouse
and
around
the
building
and
everything.
But
those
are
those
are
things
that
are
going
to
have
to
be
addressed
anyway.
Eventually,
but
speaking,
just
from
the
golf
course
standpoint
to
to
bring
things
into,
compliance
is
actually
a
very
minimal
part
of
the
overall
scope.
O
All
right
yeah,
so
the
question
was
also
second
question
I
have
is
that
if
there
is
any
of
those
leveling
needs
to
be
done.
I,
assuming
that
the
cost
is
included
on
other
side
as
well,
which
is
on
the
natural
habitat
right.
That
is
correct.
Yes,
okay
got
it.
Thank
you
so
the
second
question
I
have:
what
do
we
mean
by
the
reduced
acre
irrigation
of
reduced
acre?
I
saw
those
many
options
all
right.
What
does
that
mean?
Is
it
means?
G
So
now
we
have
a
baseline
water
usage
of
about
eight
and
a
half
million
gallons
annually,
and
the
way
that
they've
achieved
that
they've
increased
some
of
the
efficiency
of
the
of
the
sprinkler
heads
relative
to
pre-2013
or
2014,
but
predominantly
they've
turned
off
heads.
So
they
have
stopped
irrigating
up
to
a
third
of
the
area
that
they
currently
irrigate
and
that's
predominantly
the
the
reason
we
see
such
an
extreme
drop
in
the
water
usage.
G
What
we
found
from
the
ngf
study
is
that,
if
we
put
in
a
new
system
we'll
want
to
put
in
a
new
system
for
the
full
12
and
a
half
acres
of
the
golf
course,
and
if
we
irrigate
all
12
and
a
half
acres
of
the
golf
course,
we
will
be
using
slightly
more
water
plus
or
minus
four
percent.
More
for
us
to
maintain
our
current
usage.
We
would
be
needing
to
irrigate
about
12
acres
and
for
us
to
severely
cut
water
usage.
G
O
Thank
you
and
a
couple
of
more
questions
and
in
the
option
a
when
we
talk
about
the
capital
cost
of
1.97
million,
I
think
and
overall
he
said
there
is
an
adjusted
revenue.
So
that's
whatever
the
revenue
is
already
adjusted,
because
I
see
the
final
comparison.
Can
you
call
that
it
is
minus
revenue?
The
revenue
is
already
taken
in
correct
that.
G
C
O
What's
in
today,
and
how
do
we
project
that
one
based
on
the
number
of
people
increasing
or
what
is
the
calculation
being,
it's
pretty
good
significant,
but
I
want
to
understand
what
the
rational
begin.
What's
the
revenue
now
and
how
do
we
project
it
for
25
years
and
what
percentage
growth
of
usage.
G
Right
so
we
did
not
project,
so
we
projected
a
continued
use
of
approximately
28
000
rounds
per
year
and-
and
you
can
see
on
line
item
number
two.
The
total
expenditure
for
o
m
over
25
years
of
the
repair
of
the
golf
course
is
about
17
and
a
half
million
dollars,
and
then
we
minus
out
the
estimated
revenue
which
we're
projecting
again,
because
we
can't
really
say
it's
going
to
go
up
it's
going
to
go
down.
G
O
Increase
to
cost
is
accounted
in
that
correct,
correct,
yes,
on
both
the
side,
because
you
took
one
okay,
excellent
right.
So
the
other
question
on
the
same,
but
I
have
two
more
questions
on
this-
is
that
city
labor
cost
and
the
contractor
owen
operation
maintenance
services
are
also
put
in
there
as
seven
million
each.
O
O
G
O
I
see
so
that's
the
two
million
plus
the
rational
behind
the
two
million
plus
is
ranger
cost
and
maybe
additional
ground
stuff
may
be
needed,
correct
awesome,
and
if
I
then,
I
think
I'll
like
to
switch
to
the
option
b.
The
question
I
have
is
on
the
am
I
the
total
expense
1.88.
It
says
capital
cost.
So
now
I'd
like
to
understand
what
is
the
capital
cost
of
1.88?
I
could
able
to
visualize
or
imagine
the
1.97
capital
cost
for
irrigation.
O
A
O
B
M
I
just
have
a
couple
more
questions.
I
promise
it
won't
take
long,
the
the
new
looking
at
option
b,
where
you
have
the
natural
habitat
just
now.
Somebody
mentioned
that
there
would
be
drip
irrigation
for
some
of
that
habitat
and
how
long
will
that
trip
irrigation
continue
to
be
there
and
what
are
the
water
costs
you
know,
for
that
I
mean
that
drip
has
to
be
connect
to
some
source.
G
G
The
the
water
cost
is
considerably
lower.
It's
the
cost
for
work
golf
course
for
golf
course.
Irrigation
is
estimated
at
about
one
point,
almost
1.6
million
and
for
the
natural
habitat
option,
it's
approximately
a
hundred
thousand
so
that
that
is
accounted
for
by
use
of
a
drip,
irrigation
system,
and
there
are
several
reasons
for
that:
incredible
reduction.
First
of
all,
the
irrigation
would
only
need
to
take
place
on
or
around
the
habitat
islands,
for
for
up
to
eight
years.
M
G
M
M
Okay,
wouldn't
that
be
part
of
the
parks
and
rec
revenue
in
general
as
classes
I
mean.
Why
would
that
be
specific?
To
the
I
mean
it
would
be
a
habitat
associated
class,
but
why
would
it
be
put
into
this
option
over
here?
Wouldn't
it
be
part
of
typical
parks
and
rack
revenues,
maybe
directly
you
can
address
that.
F
I
mean
it
would
be
the
same
as
the
golf
course
essentially
right,
so
we're
saying
that
the
golf
course
is
going
to
provide
this
amount
of
revenue,
so
we're
saying
that
the
new
natural
habitat
would
then
provide
this
amount
of.
You
know
the
same
amount
of
revenue
that
we
had
had
projected,
which
I
think
was
about
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
over
the
course
of
25
years.
G
Right
and
and
I'll
add
to
that,
you
know
there
there's
a
relatively
high
level
of
confidence
at
this
point
from
the
folks.
I've
talked
to
that
we
would
be
able
to
find
grant
funding
for
the
conversion
option.
If
that's
the
direction
the
city
decides
to
go,
and
I
just
put
a
number
in
the
comparative
cost
analysis
of
approximately
six
hundred
thousand
dollars,
with
the
assumption
of
a
about
a
three
300
000
grant
in
the
initial
construction
and
then
another
300
000
in
ongoing
grant
funding.
B
And
thank
you
and
yeah
you're
really
asked
several
questions
I
had,
but
because
there
are
so
many
numbers,
I
still
have
three
questions
regarding
the
comparative
costs
of
the
25
year
old.
Look.
The
first
question
is
regarding
the
revenue
for
next
25
years
of
option
a
the
golf
course
revenue.
I
just
want
to
know
because
in
the
presentation
I
saw
the
the
revenue
difference
for
pre-pandemic
and
after
pandemic.
B
So
I'm
I'm
just
wondering
this
projection
is
based
on
the
revenue
pre-pandemic
or
after
because
I
use
this
number
divided
by
25.
I
think
it's
higher
than
free
pandemic,
but
lower
than
current
year.
So
I'm
just
curious
how
to
how
did
you
calculate
the
nine
million
and
yeah
three
seven,
eight
six,
two
four
right.
G
B
D
B
G
B
B
G
G
B
B
B
H
Hello,
hi,
are
you?
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
I
can
yes,
okay,
wonderful
presentation,
very
exciting,
you
know
one
way
or
the
other.
You
know
this
is
a
treasure
for
our
city
and
and
other
people.
So
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
they've
done
here.
My
my
I
I
was
I
want
to
comment
on
the
survey.
I
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me.
This
is
just
from
memory,
but
one
of
the
things
is
it
talks
about
it.
Very.
H
H
I
mean
I
mean
we're
talking
about
14
million
gallons
versus
168
to
212
million
gallons,
and
I
don't
know
how
you
would
state
that
on
the
survey
without
biasing
the
survey,
you
know
what
I'm
saying,
but
I
think
it's
kind
of
important
for
for
the
residents
and
others
that
use
the
area
to
know
the
difference
in
the
water
usage,
especially
with
global
warming
and
and
everything,
and
the
old
girl
scout
in
me.
Kind
of
really
feels
that's
important.
H
So
if
there
is
some
way
of
stating
that,
as
I
said,
without
totally
biasing,
for
me,
I'd
say
biases
and
things
you
know
that
would
be
important
and
the
other
little
minor
issue
is
when
you're
talking
about
the
stephens
creek
a
trail.
I
think
it's
good
for
cupertino
to
like
do
slash
mcclellan,
because
it
it
kind
of
it
kind
of
it,
makes
it
more
personal.
I
mean
so
to
when
you,
when
you
stayed
about
there's
the
blackberry
farm
golf
course:
there's
blackberry
farm
and
then
there's
mcclellan
and
they're.
H
P
Oh,
thank
you.
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
thank
you
chair
and
commissioners.
I
was
very
interested
in
this
topic
for
a
long
time.
I
enjoy
all
the
parks
in
in
our
city.
I
was
very
impressed
with
the
report
and
the
level
of
care
that
was
taken
to
to
show
both
of
the
pros
both
of
the
options
in
in
their
in
a
full
light.
P
I
noticed
the
first
speaker
said
that
as
well,
using
california
native
plants,
bushes
and
grasses
will
reduce
the
need
for
outdoor
watering
systems,
and
the
projections
long
range
do
show
that
the
natural
system
will
use
less
water
overall
and
with
possible
droughts
in
the
future.
I
think
we
really
need
to
pay
attention
to
that.
Someone
talked
about
adding
that
to
the
draft
survey
as
a
as
something
to
be
considered,
and
I
think
that's
a
really
good
idea.
P
P
B
Q
Ftsv
develops
youth
through
golf
at
municipal
golf
courses.
Throughout
silicon
valley
we
teach
children
important
life,
lessons
using
golf
as
a
vehicle
in
our
golf
course
in
school
programs.
Respect
for
oneself,
others
in
one's
surroundings
is
possibly
the
most
important
core
value
that
we
teach.
This
includes
being
good
stewards
of
the
natural
spaces
in
which
golf
courses
exist
since
2000,
we
have
positively
impacted
the
lives
of
over
86
000
children
in
santa
clara
county
16
000
in
golf
course
classes
and
seventy
thousand
in
school
programs.
Q
All
youth,
regardless
of
background
or
ability
to
pay,
may
participate
as
a
result,
over
35
percent
are
from
low-income
families
and
85
are
non-white
over
90
of
our
families
and
school
teachers
consistently
report.
Seeing
behavioral
and
character
improvements
in
their
children,
we
rely
upon
municipal
golf
courses
for
our
character
building
programs
and
for
our
participants
to
develop
into
lifelong
golfers.
We
strongly
encourage
our
participants
to
play
golf
courses
like
bbf
outside
of
our
regular
classes.
Q
We
are
a
long
time
partner
of
youth,
on
course,
which
subside,
which
subsides
rounds
so
that
children
may
play
bbf
for
just
five
dollars.
Silicon
valley
ranks
near
the
bottom
nationally
in
golf
courses
per
capita,
so
we
at
ftsv
are
passionate
about
helping
the
bay
area
preserve.
The
courses
that
we
already
have
ftsv
is
fortunate
to
have
rancho
del
pueblo
golf
course:
east
san,
jose,
gavilan
college
golf
course.
Gilroy
and
bayland's
golf
links,
palo
alto
as
environment,
environmentally
friendly
program
locations.
Q
Q
We
believe
that
cupertino,
like
palo
alto,
has
an
a
unique
opportunity
to
enjoy
the
best
of
both
worlds
by
improving
bbf
while
preserving
natural
spaces.
This
would
benefit
all
residents
and
give
ftsv
even
more
reason
to
encourage
our
participants
to
play
and
appreciate
the
natural
beauty
of
bbf.
Respectfully
george
max.
B
O
Right,
I
think
this
is
just
a
discussion
and
answering
right.
That's
it
so
there's
not
a
question
in
the
session.
Okay!
So
a
couple
of
things
again,
my
points
may
be
related
to
the
question
as
well.
So
is
this
available
for
anyone
outside
of
copperton
asphalt
or
is
mainly
reserved
for
cupertino.
It
is
for
everyone.
O
O
So
let
me
stop
there
for
now.
That's
my
input
and
maybe
we'll
go
for
a
discussion,
but
I
know
the
account
creation.
I
think
earlier
my
first
time
talked
about
it.
Whatever
method
we
end
up
in
doing
it,
but
I
think
that's
what
even
though
it
restricts
the
number
of
people
doing
it,
but
otherwise
the
problem
on
the
other
side
is
completely.
We
have
no
idea
recent
days.
Even
bots
can
just
keep
on
going
and
working
for
it
and
just
getting
the
survey
I
can
not
me
like.
O
D
G
Right
so
I
think
the
initial
thinking
was
to
try
to
target
or
ensure
that
we
that
that
only
cupertino
residents
may
be
able
to
take
the
survey
after
having
spoken
with
brenton.
We
realize
there's
limitations
associated
with
that.
Of
course,
we
ask
in
the
survey
itself
if
the
person
is
a
cupertino
resident,
so
we're
relying
on
their
relying
on
their
honesty
associated
with
that.
But
you
know
at
this
point.
G
D
D
I
believe
that
that
was
limited
to
you
could
take
it
once
and
you
know
I
know
that
because
I
I
know
there
was
a
question
from
council
and
I
think
I
mean
so
I
I
took
that
survey
and
I
wanted
to
expand
on
my
my
comments,
and
so
I
tried
to
go
back
in
and
it
wouldn't
let
me
so.
I
really
wasn't
trying
to
vote
twice
on
the
work
program,
but
I
did
know
that
it
did
limit
me
from
going
in
from
my
computer
a
second
time
to
redo
the
survey.
D
So
somehow-
and
I
don't
think
that
was
a
registration-
it
was
just
a
you
know:
do
you
live
or
work
in
the
city
or
and
what
do
you
want
to
see
in
our
work
program?
It
was
like
two
questions.
It
was
very
simple,
but
there
was
a
limitation,
and
so
I
I
think
we
definitely
want
to
know
when
people
are
are
answering
the
questions,
and
hopefully
you
know
it's
on
the
honor
system.
Are
you
a
resident
of
cupertino
yeah?
We
could
have
a
follow-on
question
to
ask
for
an
address.
D
So
so
that
might
be
one
way,
but
I
think
we
want
to
make
it
as
available
as
possible
and
track
who
the
people
are
in
terms
of
the
responses
that
we're
getting.
If
we're
getting
you
know
what
I
would
expect
is,
as
we've
seen
before,
is
that
there
are
a
lot
of
people
who
use
blackberry,
farm
golf
course
and
they're
going
to
want
to
come
in
and
say
we
want
the
golf
course
and
we
should
know
where
people
are
living.
D
If
you
know
with
respect
to
their
responses,
and
so
hopefully
we
can,
we
can
track
that
data
and
then
are
we
talking
about
the
demographic
data?
Are
you
wondering?
Do
you
have
suggestions,
or
do
we
want
to
talk
about
that
in
a
minute,
get
through
this
eligibility
first
and
then
we'll
talk
about
demographic
data.
G
O
Is
it
okay,
a
culture
on
the
eligibility
criteria?
I
just
wanted
to
answer
okay,
yeah
question
raised
by
commissioner
stanley.
So,
typically,
when
you
do
it
it's
the
restriction
of
the
next
one
is
tracked
by
the
session.
Typically.
So
that
means,
if
you
are
on
the
same
browser,
if
you
are
doing
it
now
generally,
it
will
not
allow
you
because
sometimes
they
keep
the
session
track.
But
if
you
close
the
browser
and
start
again
launching
it
will
allow
you
to
go
again
unless
that
way,
they
track
it's
not
ip
level
tracking.
O
Typically,
they
don't
do
it.
Rather
it
will
do
on
a
session
level
tracking.
So
if
you
are
in
the
same
session,
it
will
not
allow
you
but
close
the
browser
and
go.
It
will
allow
you,
so
I
just
want
to
put
that
in
it
if
it's
not
allowing
for
the
first
time,
just
an
information,
that's
all
I
don't
have
any
specific
questions.
I
just
want
to
provide
some
insights
to
commissioners
on
this
question.
M
Yeah
in
the
f,
the
first
question
in
the
survey
says:
do
you
live
in
cupertino
or
work
in
cupertino
go
to
school
in
cupertino,
etc?
So,
if
we
do,
if
you're,
assuming
that
the
person
lives
in
cupertino,
you
can
ask
for
an
address
that
you
you.
If
they
work,
you
know
you're
still
going
to
go
verify
I
mean
we
don't
have
a
proper
way,
there's
also
the
option
of
I
visit
shops
and
restaurants,
and
you
know
stuff
like
that,
so
I
don't
know
that
we
can
necessarily
make
this
more
complicated.
M
So
we'll
just
you
know,
live
it
to
the
best,
but
there
aren't
there
any
tools.
Maybe
you
know
we
can
take.
Are
there
any
tools
for
sort
of
sorting
out
through
this
I
mean
this.
Is
any
survey
can
now
be
answered
with
a
bot
right,
so
there
must
be
some
way
we
can
figure
this
out.
Is
there?
Is
there
a
beta
version
of
some
tool
that
that
sorts
through
this
just
asking
in
general.
L
M
Okay,
so
the
first
question
on
the
survey
says
which
of
the
following
describes:
you
I
live
in
cupertino
I
work
in
cupertino
I
go
to
school
in
cupertino,
et
cetera,
et
cetera
and
then
there's
an
option
that
says
other
so
technically.
Even
if
I
ask
I
mean,
if
I'm
not
a
person
who's
living
in
cupertin
for
a
person
who's
living
in
cupertino.
Technically,
we
can
ask
them
the
address
and
you
know
you
think
that
we
will
verify
it.
M
So
in
that
case
I
mean
that
person
a
person
can
come
in
and
say
other
and
potentially
you
know,
keep
create
a
new
session
each
time
and
really
mess
up.
This
thing
just
basically
use
a
bot
to
answer
this
question.
What
I'm
asking
is
answer
the
survey,
so
what
I'm
asking
is?
Isn't
there
any
kind
of
tool
available?
M
L
I'll
just
comment
on
engage
cupertino,
so
when
we
run
the
reports,
we
can
go
ahead
and
see
all
the
pretty
much
all
the
responses
can
filter
everything
out.
There's
no
tool
on
engage
cupertino
at
least
a
survey
platform
that
goes
through
and
specifically
targets
bots
or
tells
you
if
it's
a
bot,
I
will
say
in
our
previous
surveys:
we
haven't
come
across.
Anything
that
does
look
like
it's
bots
are
piling
in
responses
to
any
of
our
surveys.
That's
about.
L
O
Thank
you
so
brandon,
and
maybe
the
answer
to
commissioner
ashus
one.
It's
like
a
gacha
and
many
other
alternatives
have
come
in
any
service.
You
have
it's
so
easy
to
just
put
it
there
to
stop
any
of
them.
So
it's
again
it's
for,
overall
for
city,
getting
the
right
kind
of
rightful
type
of
inputs
and
even
avoid
the
ddos
attack
where
it
can
bring
down
the
site
too
in
case,
if
any
people
wanted
to
do
so.
O
A
problem
everywhere
and
I
think
we
should
take
some
action
and
it
is
not
at
all
a
major
parliament.
There
are
simple
ways
to
just
enable
such
a
human
like
we
all
see
that
whenever
you
go
and
take
some
survey,
it
says
okay
find
out
what
the
street
lights.
What
are
the
birds?
What
are
the
things
it
last
few?
There
are
many
many
different
types
of
things
can
be
included
so
that
the
bot
will
fail
miserably
so
that
we
can
get
the
right
input.
O
It's
it's,
it's
simple,
it's
easy
to
implement
it
and
we
should
start
putting
that.
Otherwise
the
site
will
get
so
again,
I'm
happy
to
work
with
the
staff
brandon
you
or
I
think
it
could
put
in
a
site
whoever
it
is
offline.
I'm
come
from
the
tech
world
and
if
it
is
any
help
needed,
I
definitely
I
can
guide
and
do
that.
You
just
want
to
put
that
suggestion
on
the
table.
K
F
G
D
Okay,
yeah,
I
was
just
gonna
comment
with
respect
to
the
bots.
I
know
we
think
we're
very
important,
but
I
don't
think
that
these
kind
of
surveys
are
that
high
of
that
high,
huge
interest
that
we're
going
to
get
people
generating
a
lot
of
bots
to
do
it.
So
I
don't
think
it's
a
real
practical
problem.
D
So
I,
from
a
practical
perspective,
I
don't
think
that
it's
a
real
practical
problem,
but
I
think
we
should
just
be
aware
of
it
and
and
be
looking
for
it.
I
agree
with
the
chair
and
and
the
comment
from
susan
moore
that
the
there
should
be
a
comment
about
the
water
usage
difference
and
I
don't
I
think
you
have
to
compare.
I
don't
know
how
you
can
do
it
without
being
comparative.
There's
this
option,
there's
that
action
we're
looking
between
the
two.
D
G
Sure
we
can
are
you
still
seeing
that
slide?
The
public
outreach
slide
there
yeah,
okay.
So
the
the
other
question
that
we
wanted
to
garner
some
input
from
you
on
was
the
collection
of
demographic
data
and
the
two
primary
data
points
we
would
be
looking
for
would
probably
be
age
and
then
ethnicity,
the
two
that
that
we're
considering
adding
to
the
to
the
survey.
Just
like
your
input
on
that.
M
Yeah,
okay,
I'm
going
to
be
the
controversial
one
here.
Why
do
you
want
to
know
that
simply
I
mean
it's
a
survey
you
want
to
know
what's
going
on?
What
are
you
gonna?
Why
do
you
want
to
know
what
the
age
of
the
person
is
or
what
their
ethnicity
is
their
ethnicity?
I
mean
whatever.
Why
do
you
want
to
know
the
question?
And
secondly,
what
are
you
going
to
do
with
that
data.
G
Right
right:
well,
the
question
is
up
for
debate.
That's
why
we're
here
discussing
it.
So
I
don't
think
the
city
is
an
investment
one
way
or
the
other
about
which
direction
we
go.
It
just
seems
to
be
a
common
question.
That's
asked
in
surveys
as
far
as
the
benefit
of
it.
It
just
helps
us
sort
of
increase
the
the
particle
size
of
of
the
input
we're
getting
essentially
so
that
we
can
granulate.
Okay.
G
D
Thank
you.
I
guess
my
comment
on
that
is
collecting
it,
not
that
you
would
do
anything
with
it,
but
it
would
tell
you
if
you
had
a
representative
sample
of
your
population
and
so,
if
it,
if
it's
cute
and
maybe
not
the
well,
I
mean
it
could
be.
If
you
get
certainly
on
the
age
thing,
if
you
get
primarily
an
older
skew,
then
you'll
know
that
you're
not
getting
a
cross-section
from
the
whole
community
and
if
it's
primarily
a
one
particular
race
that
is
not
representative
of
the
whole
community,
that
you
say
well.
D
That
particular
subgroup
is
more
engaged
in
this
particular
thing,
but
it's
not
necessarily
representative
of
the
whole
community,
so
I
think
it
can.
It
can
give
you
that
information
and
you
can
make
a
judgment
about
it
if
it's
important
later
or
not,
but
at
least
you
have
the
information.
Otherwise,
if
you
come
at
it,
and
you
didn't
ask
the
question,
then
you
just
don't
know,
that's
my
thought
on
it.
Okay,.
M
It's
fair,
that's
a
very
fair
answer,
but
my
thing
is
just
so.
This
is
a
survey
that
we're
sending
out
to
you
know
it's
on,
engage
cupertino
and
we're
going
to
send
postcards
to
everybody
in
virginia.
Saying:
take
the
survey
only
a
certain
race
decided
to
take
the
survey
you
can't
make
the
other
people
take
it
so
getting.
That
is
a
data
point
for
sure,
but
you
know
or
a
certain
age
group.
M
All
those
people
that
play
in
the
blackberry
golf
course
may
be
the
only
ones
that
that
participate
in
the
survey.
But
then
we
don't
know
that
for
sure
I
mean
we
might
be
able
to
get
it,
but
from
age
and
from
race.
We
don't
get
that
information.
We
get
that
from
the
survey
itself,
so
I
I'm
just
being
like
I
said
in
the
beginning.
You
know
it's
like:
why
do
you
want
to
know?
M
O
Thank
you
chair.
No,
I
the
reason
rational
behind
my
I
said
yes,
it's
okay
is
twofold:
number
one:
once
we
collect
these
ages
age
group,
whatever
we
know
that
it
is
going
to
help
feed
the
program,
whatever
we
option
a
b
or
picked
up.
We
know
that
when
we
talked
about
what
kind
of
programs
we
are
going
to
put
together
in
the
habitat
or
any
of
them,
so
at
least
it
is
a
data
to
that.
Okay,
these
kind
of
programs
were
going
to
attract
these
many
people.
So
we
talked
about
revenue.
O
We
talked
about
more
amenities,
so
it
is
a
good
data
to
help
us
to
drive
what
how
we
plan
to
invest,
how
we
wanted
to
do
either
of
those.
So
in
that
part,
the
edge
will
be
really
useful,
at
least
for
the
park
staff
and
for
their
planning
and
future
planning
of
those
things.
That's
a
first
reason
why
I
asked
the
ethnicity.
The
reason
I
asked
is
that
again
we
talked
about
low-income
families
and
other
ethnicities
in
general.
The
previous
report
would
be
good
to
know
that
who
really
loves
or
which
area
represented
us.
O
I
think
I'm
shana
talked
about
it's
a
good
thing
that
if
it
is
not
reaching
out
to
you,
it
is
again
a
data
point
for
the
staff
that,
based
on
the
prior
history
of
the
service,
we
maybe
we
may
not
be
reaching
out
to
one
particular
set
of
people
and
stuff,
and
then
actually
it
gives
a
data
point
which
I
it's
not
first
one
is
to
make
a
decision
on
future
investment.
The
second
one
is
to
see
that
how
our
outreach
is
really
going
on
to
see.
Are
we
really
doing
the
outreach?
O
O
O
B
G
B
O
C
B
B
F
F
O
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
Okay,
that's
yeah!
I
was
thinking
that
you
know
what
needed,
but
I
think
you
need
an
input
from
us
so
that
you
can
go
back
and
see
what
constraints
or
things
you
have
to
do
it
again.
I
just
want
to
reiterate:
maybe
later
we
can
summarize
it
chair
can
help
we're.
Definitely
putting
some
kind
of
a
mechanism
to
track
is
really
important.
O
It
need
not
be
again
whatever
way
it
is
it's
ip
tracking
or
it
whatever
is
feasible,
because
I
don't
want
this
to
be
dragging
down
our
staff
to
go
on
the
survey
for
another
two
months
three
months.
No,
so
you
have
a
strict
timeline
to
go
to
get
it
one,
but
completely
opening
wild
way
of
doing
it
is
definitely
I
won't
prefer.
We
should
have
some
mechanism
to
track
so
that
we
are
comfortable
again
collecting
address.
All
of
them
may
be
so
intrusive,
so
we
may
not.
C
O
M
I
have
exactly
the
same
comments.
I
I
don't
want
to
make
it
more
complicated.
We
want
as
many
people
as
possible
to
take
the
survey,
so
we
don't
need
their
address
or
anything
else
that
will
prevent
them
from
taking
the
survey.
However,
there
must
be
simple
ways
to
fight
this.
You
know
not
let
it
out
in
the
wild.
Literally,
as
commissioner
markman
said,
we
there
are
simple
little
things
that
we
can
do
and
we
should
be
able
to
do
that
technologically
to
prevent
this
problem.
M
Now,
if
somebody
from
the
same
household
has
like
you
know,
four
five,
six
people,
that's
fine,
I
mean
you
know
they
all
obviously
use
one
thing
or
the
other.
That's
that's
they're
all
residents
and
they
have
a
right
to
give
that
opinion.
That
part
is
okay,
but
beyond
that
I
mean
there
must
be
simple
ways
to
fix
this,
and
not
just
let
it
be.
B
D
There
should
be
so
so
I
guess
they
would
describe
it,
so
we
could
see
it.
I
mean
this
is
pretty
standard
stuff
that
I
don't
think
we
want
to
be
reinventing
the
survey
process
for
the
city
of
cupertino,
that
that
is,
you
know,
that's
not
practical,
for.
I
think
us
as
a
commission
to
be
asking
staff
to
do
so.
I
think
they
need
to
work
within
the
systems
that
have
been
provided
and
they're
looking
to
put
this
online
very
quickly.
D
D
B
Okay,
so
let
me
clarify
so
the
two
questions
raised
by
staff
we've
already
finished
the
discussion
on
the
first
one.
The
eligibility
to
take
online
survey
is
that
right
so
for
the
second
one,
I
think
we
agree
that
we
can
add
this
the
question
about
those
to
collect
the
data,
but
that's
optional.
So
the
discussion
for
the
second
question
is.
O
Thank
you.
Thank
you
chair.
So
I
understand
I
think
I
just
want
to
just
add
on
to
what
commissioner
stanley
said
understand.
Engage
cupertino
has
whatever
put
in
that's,
why
he
made
it
clear
that
they
should
work
on
it,
but
at
the
same
time,
outside
threats
are
in
increasing
a
day
by
day.
That
means
our
system
has
to
be
up
to
some
extent
to
avoid
that's
the
main
reason.
O
So
if
you
are
on
a
still
on
the
same
infrastructure
and
nothing
touching
on
it
and
then
it
will
get
exploited
because
outside
is
moving,
that's
that's
the
reason
I
said.
Some
measure
should
be
done,
not
really
push
it
for
two
months
kind
of,
and
so
we
need
to
be
given
that
in
the
daily
I'm
on
facing
on
a
daily
basis
at
work
and
others
outside
threats
are
increasing
hourly
basis
or
even
not
minutes.
So
we
need
to
be
a
little
more
careful
on
on
updating
it
regularly.
O
I'm
sure
the
staff
is
doing
it,
I'm
not
undermining
their
capability,
but
any
inputs
we
can
offer
to
do
it
to
just
to
strengthen
the
data
collection
is
the
the
rational
behind
it.
It's
just
strengthening
it
so
that
we
do
that's
the
only
reason
I
made
it.
Then
I
have
a
comments
on
the
thing.
Maybe
chad,
I
should
wait
once
we
discuss
the
survey
type.
I
I
do
have
some
questions,
but
I'll
wait.
B
D
M
But
coming
coming
actually
coming
back
to
the
point
with
regard
to
what,
where
before
we
come
out
the
other
demographic
question,
what
is
the
final
answer
with
regard
to
eligibility?
We're
just
saying
our
recommendation
or
our
to
the
staff,
has
basically
put
some
some
kind
of
as
to
use
a
commissioner
kumarpan's
words
strengthen
the
security
of
the
survey.
M
O
I'm
clear
on
the
first
one
as
we
said
we
we
we
don't
want
to
wildly
open
and
we
want
to
put
some
way
to
enforce
some
of
the
eligibility
or
the
checks
it's
up
to
what
the
staff
limitations
and
stuff
we
have
and
if
they
need
any
help
or
guidance
happy
to
provide
that's
where
we
stopped
on
it.
I
don't
think
that
really
anything
on
the
demographic
I
I
do
agree
that,
if
collecting
ethnicity
creates
a
concern
in
general,
I'm
fine
but
edge
would
be
really
useful.
A
G
G
The
other
option
would
be
to
try
to
engage
either
in
a
different
survey
platform
or
to
work
with
the
commissioner
to
try
to
strengthen
the
tracking
on
that
so
there's
kind
of
three
options.
I
see
at
this
point
if
the
third
option
would
probably
delay
the
release
of
the
of
the
of
the
survey.
We
don't.
M
M
Yes,
no
or
if
no,
why,
at
least,
if
we
have
that
answer,
then
we
know
what
we're
doing
as
opposed
to
getting
a
blind
survey
where
we
have
really
no
idea
who
do
who
answered
the
survey
so
just
that
third
option
should
be
there
and
if
it
is
not
going
to
fit
in
the
time
scale
going
forward
next
time
we
do
a
survey.
We
need
to
make
that
as
a
requirement.
But
that's
aside,
but
right
now
we
need
to
get
that
answer
whether
that
is
possible
or
not
possible.
L
Yeah
lisa,
if
you
don't
mind,
I
can
jump
in
so
yeah,
so
pretty
much.
The
options
currently
are
no
registration.
The
survey
is
open
to
everyone.
Two
would
be.
The
survey
is
requires
registration,
so
you
have
to
register.
Have
a
engage
cupertino
account
to
be
able
to
take
the
survey.
The
third
option,
which
I
don't
think
we
can
address,
don't
the
engage
cupertino
doesn't
do
like
ip
tracking
that
I
know
of.
I
would
have
to
look
into
that.
L
I
can't
I
can't
confirm
that
it
does
have
that
and
that
we
could
use
any
like
additional
strength
and
security
measures.
However,
one
thing
we
could
do
would
be
to
have
the
survey
be
open.
Ask
the
the
the
first
question,
which
is
I
like?
How
do
you
identify?
I
live
in
cupertino
and
then
potentially
do
some
additional
security
questions.
On
top
of
that,
like
ask
about
the
we
could
ask
about
address
age
and
gender.
This
way
too.
G
O
I
would
say
I
think
it's
we
spent
time
on
it,
so
it'll
be
good
for
the
staff
to
go
back
and
ask
the
request
if
there
is
third
option
available
or
not,
if
not
it's
okay
for
the
time
frame.
But
what
is
it
we
plan
to
do?
That's
a
request.
Is
that
to
strengthen
or
to
add
additional
thing?
That's
pretty
much.
I
know
you
know
better.
So
again
we
don't
know
the
exact
intricacies
within
the
infrastructure
on
the
platform
you
have,
but
it'll
be
good
to
get
a
response
back
to
us
to
the
commission.
O
Q
M
O
R
You
I
just
want
to
ask
clarify
the
the
intention
of
the
commission.
Is
the
commission
saying
that
we
should
not
move
ahead
with
the
survey
until
we've
sorted
out
the
security
tools
or
that
we
can
proceed,
but
we
will
also
check
into
the
security
tools?
I
I
think
it's
a
good
suggestion.
I
just
want
to
see
I'm
seeking
I'm
afraid
that
it
would
delay
the
output
of
the
survey
for
a
couple
months.
If
we
had
to
rectify
to
answer
that
fully.
M
I
think
what
I
heard
was
that
we
don't
even
know
what
it
is,
so
it
would
be
nice
to
figure
out
at
least.
Is
there
a
quick
like
a
you
know,
ask
of
the
it
department?
Is
there
something
that
you
can
put
to
make
this
a
little
bit
more
secure?
Yes,
no
that
answer.
If
you
can
come
back
to
the
commissioners,
then
at
least
we
have
an
idea
of
what
to
expect
right
right
now,
we're
going
totally
blind.
R
Okay,
so
in
other
words,
for
the
purposes
of
trying
to
figure
out
the
content
of
the
survey
and
trying
to
launch
it,
we
can
the
preference
that
I'm
hearing
from
the
commission
is
that
we
can
proceed
with
not
getting
registration,
but
simultaneously.
We
would
seek
to
better
understand
and
implement
better
security
tools
to
the
best
of
our
ability.
So
that
is
something
we
can
find
out
about
and
follow
up
to
the
commissioners
about.
D
Okay
thanks
that
sounds
good
to
me.
I
think
it's
really
a
best
efforts
thing
at
this
point
for
this
particular
survey
and
because,
even
if
you
go
find
out
we're
not
going
to
have
another
meeting
before
the
you're
looking
to
launch
this,
so
we
need
to
be
practical
about
what
we're
expecting
here
and
yes,
so
I'm
sure
we'll
hear
about
that
at
some
future
point.
But
it
should
not
be
a
dating
item
for
launching
the
survey
for
sure.
M
O
B
Yeah,
I
don't
know,
I
think,
for
the
first
one
yeah
it's
it's
time
and
for
the
second
one
we
we
already
agreed
that
we
can
collect
those
data,
but
these
data
are
optional,
so
so
for
on
this,
this
point
we
already
agreed.
But
now
the
question
is
what
kind
of
data
we're
going
to
collect
so
we
need
the
input
from
staff.
That's
one
of
my
understanding
is
that
right.
O
B
M
M
Only
do
you
play
at
blackberry
farm
only.
Do
you
play
it
both
and
you
know
a
space
to
say
you
know
any
further
comment
of
why
you
prefer
one
or
the
other
or
you
play
it
both.
I
would
like
that
information.
I
want
to
know
how
many
people
play
it.
Both,
I
think,
it'll
be
useful
for
those
that
play
at
blackberry
farm.
We
should
maybe
think
of
finding
some
way
for
deep
cliff
to
give
them
a
discount.
All
that
is
different,
but
that
information
will
be
useful.
O
O
What
is
stopping
us
to
refer
that
for
mention
and
that
people
can
just
refer?
I
know
they
may
not
be
able
to
go
to
even
they
we
can
refer
both.
If
you
want
to
have
a
complete
presentation
on
all
of
them,
they
can
click
and
see
that
before
they
answer
it,
because
these
are
the
data
you
are
providing
to
the
community
members
because
not
everybody
is
attending
it
today
and
it
is
a
public
record,
so
we
should
be
able
to
provide
that
and
possibly
the
second
days
if
they
need
a
specific
one
on
it.
O
We
can
just
put
the
chart
along
because
they
want
to
know
okay,
I'm
planning
to
do
what
does
it
cost
and
what
it
is.
They
will
figure
it
out.
What
is
the
water
cost,
all
of
them
from
that
itself?
So
I
think
that's
a
summarized
view
you
have
on
the
budget.
I
think
that
would
be
my
recommendation.
I
know
there
were
a
lot
many
questions
earlier
on
that
one,
especially
your
community
member
also
asked
about
it.
So
I
think
that
should
solve
some
of
those
ambiguity.
O
M
Yeah
I
I
just
want
to
quickly
comment.
Actually
there
is
a
place
there
that
we
can
add
this
chart
to,
or
maybe,
if
I
make
up
the
reports,
if
you,
if
you
can
lisa
bring
the
other
page
of
the
survey
up,
see
all
the
questions,
the
the
you
know,
the
setup
of
the
whole
survey,
no,
no,
no
just
the
appendix
f,
the
first
page
of
the
appendix
f
or
the
catchment.
M
Yeah
yeah
so
down
there,
they
say
if
you
want
to
see
the
details
of
the
reports,
it's
it's
here.
You
can
review
the
reports
for
each
option
and
sign
up
for
an
email
right
at
the
bottom
of
the
page.
So
there
you
can
actually
put
that
comparison
chart.
So
it
makes
it
easier
for
people
to
make
that
decision
of
which
one
they
want
it's
right
there.
So
it's
just
add
another
link.
O
B
D
O
Put
the
image
here:
don't
give
a
link
for
the
table
if
you're
giving
a
table
we'll
provide
the
table.
It's
easy
for
me
to
make
a
call,
rather
than
I'm
not
interested
in
going
through
an
entire
report.
If
they
wanted,
you
can
give
a
report
a
link,
but
the
table
can
be
easily
embedded
in
that
information,
because
that
really
gives
them.
M
D
I
think
a
picture
and
you
know
I
think
you
still
want
links
to
the
full
reports
for
those
people
who
have
that
inclination,
because
you're
gonna,
if
you,
if
you
have
the
chart
alone,
you
really
you
need
to
have
the
caveats
of
it,
doesn't
include
the
you
know:
the
increase
in
water
costs.
It
doesn't
include
the
potential
grants
and
so
it's
very
difficult
to
convey
complex
information
in
a
simple
survey.
D
But
I
I
think
we
need
a
little
bit
more
information
here
and
one
of
my
biggest
concerns
about
the
discussion
or
the
description
of
the
options
is
option,
a
golf
course
minor
repairs
and
improvements.
So
when
we
were
talking
about
this
option
initially
it
was
with
respect
to
the
other
option,
which
was
a
full-blown.
D
You
know
state-of-the-art
golf
course,
and
this
was
the
minimized
version,
but
when
people
hear
minor
improvements,
they're
not
thinking
two
million
dollars,
and
so
I
think
we
have
a
real
semantic
problem
with
continuing
to
call
this
minor
repairs
and
improvement
and,
in
other
places,
minimal
repairs
it's
throughout
the
whole
thing.
But
I
really
think
it
gives
the
wrong
impression
of
what
the
scope
of
this
project
is.
D
B
M
E
R
You
thanks
for
first
of
all,
I
wanna
I
wanna
before
I
forget
before
the
evening
goes
on
too
much
just
thank
you
all
so
much
for
actually
getting
into
the
details
of
of
the
reports
and
the
questions,
and
everything
really
appreciate
the
investment
that
you've
made.
So
I
appreciate
it,
it's
an
important
part
and
your
input
so
far
is
great.
I'm
making
notes.
R
R
We
at
this
point
be
very
difficult
to
rename
the
project
and
the
survey
and
the
study
because
of
the
references
that
come
along
that
are
in
it's
in
the
city
work
program
it's
in
the
cip,
so
I
think
it's
actually
a
good
it's
good
feedback
and
to
the
degree
that
we
can.
I
think
we
would
implement
it,
but
there's
going
to
be
some
limits
to
it.
O
Yeah
susan,
I
I
understand
that
knowledge,
but
this
is
not
going
to
be
a
major
one
and
every
neighbor
of
days
I
think
you're
sending
a
wrong
message.
As
commercial
sonic
said,
I
really
wanted
to
see
this
change.
I'm
not
sure
what
other
references
you
just
mentioned,
but
these
are
all
the
way
in
which
we
present
and
absolutely
will
go.
So
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
this
gets
really
addressed.
I
want
to
call
as
miner
which
may
downplay
the
things
on
it,
so
it
is
out
of
context.
O
It
is
being
referred
and
what
commissioner
brought
up
is
really
valid
point,
and
I
want
to
support
that.
We
need
to
call
that
out
and
if
that
needs,
I'm
not
sure.
What
are
the
changes
to
be
done
in
that
report.
The
report
can
say
minor
on
it,
but
at
least
on
the
survey
one
on
my
face,
I
want
to
say
it's
a
necessary
required.
That's
how
it
has
to
see
it
and
even
the
table.
We
can
modify
it.
It's
a
report
but
changing
from
a
minor
to
necessary.
R
O
O
I
will
be
really
really
surprised
and
I
wanted
to
see
that
one,
because
this
is
important
and
we
want
to
send
the
right
because
we
know
it.
That's
why
the
comparison-
and
even
I
forgot
on
that
particular
reference.
It's
a
very
important
point.
So
we
need
to
send
the
right
message
and
I'll
be
surprised
if
somebody
comes
back
and
says
it'll
take
a
month,
and
I
want
to
know
why
and
what
okay.
D
B
So
yeah
my
comments
is,
and
so
this
name
change
is
only
for
the
survey
when
the
that
that
word
minimum
minor
appear.
So
I
don't
think
it
affects
all
the
document,
the
other
place
yeah.
So
only
in
only
the
survey
yeah.
That's
why
we
we
think
it's
a
simple
change.
Yeah,
it
doesn't
mean
we
need
to
change
all
the
documents
refer
to
the
option:
a
and
option
b:
okay,
yeah
just
genesthenic.
You
can
continue.
D
Okay,
thanks,
if
we
go
back
to
the
next
set
of
questions
right,
so
I
think
I'm
okay
with
these
again.
So
when
you,
when
you
go
down
to
the
last
question,
there
says
assuming
costs,
are
similar.
Choose
one
minimal
repairs
to
the
existing
nine-hole
golf
cart,
so
that
should
be
necessary
repairs
to
in
our
terminology
that
we're
going
through
here.
D
Question
so
this.
The
second
point,
though,
is
conversion
the
golf
course
to
natural
habitat
with
an
extension
to
the
stephens
creek
corridor
trail.
It
doesn't
say
anything
that
there's
access
for
people
there
I
mean
it
does
in
the
initial
description
of
trails,
but
it
doesn't
say,
accessible
natural
habitat
and
I
think
that's
what
we're
doing.
I
would
be
concerned
that
people
are
saying:
oh
we're,
going
to
turn
it
into
a
natural
habitat
that
you
know
it.
D
D
Yeah
the
access,
the
quest,
the
additional
questions
that
I
thought
of
is
if
so,
there's
two
questions,
two
parts
of
it.
If
the
necessary
improvements
are
made
to
the
blackberry
farm
golf
course,
how
often
would
you
use
it?
So
this
is
forward-looking.
This
isn't,
how
much
have
you
done,
but
would
you
use
it
in
the
future?
D
D
How
often
might
you
use
it
or
or
visit,
and
so
you
know
those
are
guesses,
but
I
think
it's
future
looking
that
will
give
us
a
sense
of,
and
people
may
not
even
know
if
they
would
or
not,
but
I
think
that
could
give
us
some
additional
information
there.
So
those
are
a
couple
of
questions
that
that
I
would
have
so
I'd
like
to
hear
if
the
other
commissioners
think
those
are
useful
or
not.
B
M
Absolutely
agree:
we
need
to
add
those
two
questions
that
commissioner
stanek
mentioned
very
useful.
I
also
want
to
have
a
little
bit
more
information,
not
just
adding
the
deep
cliff
question,
but
very
similar
to
the
question
on
blackberry
farm.
I
would
like
a
question
on
deep
cliff
just
to
get
an
idea
of
how
many
people
are
using
this
and
then
subsequently
the
third
one
would
be
okay.
Do
you
use
both?
Do
you
use
this,
or
do
you
use
that?
M
D
I
have
I
have
a
comment
on
not
on
the
specific
questions,
but
on
this
the
online
survey
in
general
and
and
that
is,
we
still
have
a
number
of
people
who
do
not
go
online,
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
this
survey,
it's
not
that
hard
to
have
a
paper
one.
Would
it
be
available
in
paper
form
at
the
library
or
at
quinn,
community
center
or
other
places?
Is
that
something
that
we
have
considered,
because
only
having
it
available
online
is
a
limiting
factor
in
and
of
itself?
G
G
R
R
A
D
D
D
B
A
R
I
would
actually
interject
that
we're
gonna,
take
your
feedback
and
we're
going
to
make
tweaks
to
the
questions,
and
I
think
that
the
timeline
dictates
that
we
really
do
need
to
move
forward
with
this.
But
we
can
share
with
you
what
we
come
up
with.
I
don't
know
when
that's
going
to
be
done,
but
we
can.
O
But
I
would
like
to
see
that
one
so
many
comments
are
given
and
I
just
wanted
to
see
that
and
you
don't
have
to
wait
for
the
approval
from
it,
but
it
will
be
good
to
share
it
before
it
goes
live,
and
it
was
something
completely
dramatic.
Of
course,
we'll
come
back,
it'll,
be
good
to
see
all
these
inputs-
or
I
know
you'll,
be
incorporating
it
I'll,
be
good
to
share
it
to
the
commission.
B
F
D
Hi
yeah,
you
know
this
part
of
the
the
commission
meeting
used
to
be
everybody
on
the
commission
would
would
offer
the
their
comments
on
community
events
that
they've
attended,
and
I
think
it
used
to
be
very
useful
and
I
think,
we've
gotten
away
from
that
a
little
bit.
So
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
describe
the
community
events
that
I
attended
in
the
last
month,
and
I
hope
that
we
will
see
more
of
these
kinds
of
reports
from
everyone.
In
addition
to
the
the
mayor's
meeting
update.
D
I
also
took
a
visit
over
to
the
creekside
labyrinth,
just
to
see
how
it's
doing
there
have
been
times
when
it
gets
a
little
bit
messy
and
either
I've
cleaned
it
up
and
straightened
it
out
or
or
we
have
a
cappuccino
fairy
godmother
who
has
straightened
it
out.
I
don't
know
who
that
might
be,
but
I've
come
sometimes
when
I
thought
it
was
messy
into
my
back
to
fix
it,
and
it's
been
all
completely
fixed.
This
time
when
I
went,
I
have
to
report
that
the
labyrinth
is
completely
gone.
D
It
is
not
messed
up,
it
is
not
it.
So
it's
just
gone
and
I
followed
up
with
the
director
to
ask
her
if
public
works
had
contacted
her
about
removing
it
and
the
response
from
public
works
was
that
you
know
they
did
not
give
anyone
direction
to
do
that
and
they
thought
it
was
vandalism.
Now
it's
completely
gone.
There
is
not
a
stone
left
and
there
were
hundreds
of
stones.
D
So
I
think
we
haven't
quite
gotten
to
the
bottom
of
what
happened
to
the
creekside
labyrinth.
But
what
it
points
to
is
the
need
for
the
city
to
support
these
labyrinths,
that
we
already
have
with
some
signage
and
some
maintenance
and
some
clear
direction,
and
I'm
hoping
to
work
with
the
our
new
director
of
public
works
to
to
talk
about
the
existing
one
at
mcclellan.
D
That's
still
there,
it
has
some
weeds
growing
up
through
it
and
then
also
our
additional
as
we
go
and
look
at
additional
parks
that
will
be
coming
to
us
and
we'll
be
able
to
say
well
in
this
park.
Renovation
we'd
like
to
see
a
labyrinth,
so
that
will
be
that's
part
of
sort
of
ongoing
park
review
and
who
knows,
maybe,
as
part
of
the.
If
we
go
to
natural
habitat
at
blackberry
farm,
we
could
have
a
labyrinth
in
there
who
knows
what
we
you
know
or
where
it
would
be
or
at
memorial
park.
D
D
The
group
that
has
been
that
has
come
to
our
meetings,
so
many
times
has
continued
to
very
professionally
and
courteously
work,
and
let
council
know
what
their
priority
is,
and
it
is
basically
tied
with
a
couple
other
items
for
a
number
one
priority
on
the
work
plan
this
year.
So
considering
where
that
was
last
year
at
number,
53
and
basically
staff
said
we
know
it's
on
the
work
plan,
but
it's
so
low
in
priority
that
we
don't
have
time
for
it.
D
Things
have
definitely
changed
and
the
work
plan
is
going
to
be
reviewed.
I
guess
it
was
reviewed
last
night
at
the
at
the
council
meeting,
so
I
think
they're
done
with
that
for
now,
but
I
believe
tomorrow,
night
on
the
agenda
again
is
community
grants
and
hopefully
they'll
get
to
it.
It's
a
continued
meeting
and
there's
a
lot
of
things
on
that
meeting
as
well.
Maybe
molly
has
an
idea
if
they're
going
to
get
to
the
community
grant
tomorrow.
I
think
it's
on
the
agenda
is
that
right,
molly.
D
D
D
They
also
have
a
skateboard
park
there,
which
I
thought
was
very
interesting.
They
also
opened
up
their
inclusive
playground
there.
So
I
recommend,
if
anybody
is
interested
in
getting
more
ideas
about
what
inclusive
playgrounds
look
like
since
we're
going
to
be
having
one
at
jolly
men
and
again,
the
sunnyvale
one
was
was
given
to
magical
bridge
to
to
manage
which
we're
not
doing
in
cupertino,
but
magical
bridge
does
have
all
the
experience
doing
that
in
in
most
of
santa
clara
valley.
D
So
if
you,
I
definitely
highly
recommend
if
you
have
not
been
to
an
inclusive
playground
that
you
go
over
to
fair
oak,
to
see
it
and-
and
it's
really
remarkable
very
nicely
done-
they
also
have
a
a
dog
park,
a
fenced-in
dog
park
area
there,
and
I
have
to
say
that
that
is
the
one
big
disappointment
in
that
park.
It
is
sort
of
your
standing
dirt,
fairly
small
fenced-in,
dirt
dog
park,
which
I
know
that
our
residents
have
said.
We
don't
they
don't
want
that.
B
O
Yeah,
thank
you,
chad.
I
forgot.
I
attended
the
mayor's
meeting
and
the
only
thing
is
that
I
was
standing
from
new
york
in
the
late
night,
so
there
was
audio
issues,
so
I
couldn't
completely
so
I
was
just
doing
assigned
things
to
understand
audio,
but
I
did
cover
one
portion
which
I
would
like
to
touch
on,
which
is
on
the
the
tech
commission
raj.
He
was
presenting
it,
which
is
very
important
once
currently.
O
This
is
on
the
to
counter
the
safety
needs
and
also
there
is
one
twilight
he
they
talked
about,
which
I
don't
know
much
about.
It
is
the
lehigh
nice
plus
environmental
pollution
deduction.
So
it
looks
like
there
is
a
pilot.
Currently
monitoring
is
in
progress,
so
those
are
the
two
updates
from
them
and
there
are
new
proposals
for
2023.
O
Is
that
a
license
plate
recognition?
They
call
lbr,
that's
the
one
in
the
proposal
in
the
plan
and
then
also
like.
Typically,
they
do
every
time
every
year
the
cyber
security
outreach
which
they
are
going
to
plan,
given
that
it
is
still
increasing,
so
they
wanted
to
and
the
third
one
is
chatbot
help
to
answer.
The
questions
for
the
operational
site
kind
of
in
the
website
looks
like
there
will
be
a
chatbot
which
you
can
answer
the
questions
automatically.
O
If
the
community
member
have
any
questions
to
interact
with
it
so
that
they
can
provide.
So
those
are
the
key
things
they
touched
on
it,
the
others.
I
noticed
a
little
bit
and
I'm
reaching
out
to
those
commissioners
to
get
a
little
more
information
and
once
it
is
there,
I
will
send
it
to
the
staff
to
be
included
in
the
next
possible
in
the
minutes.
So
I'll
get
back
to
kevin
and
jessica.
On
that.
B
Thank
you
and
I
have
some
updates,
but
maybe
commissioners
already
got
email
from
our
vice
mayor,
liang
chao.
She
sent
email
talking
about
the
hybrid
meeting
so
as
she
said,
our
council
meeting
they
are
allowed,
not
only
the
audience
can
go
online,
but
sometimes
when
there's
some
council
member
is
maybe
on
business
trip.
They
can
log
in
online
and
join
the
council
meeting
in
future.
So
that
means
the
hybrid
is
not
only
for
audience
but
also
for
people
under
the
arts,
and
she
said
if
commissioners
have
interesting
have
interest
in
this
option.