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Coverage of the March 22, 2022 Cupertino Planning Commission Teleconference Meeting.
A
A
Present
so
we
do
have
a
quorum
with
commissioner
wong
and
manipula
absent,
and
our
first
order
of
business
is
to
approve
the
minutes
of
the
february
22nd
meeting.
However,
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
put
this
off
to
the
next
meeting
since
we're
missing
two
of
the
people
that
would
have
to
vote
on
this.
A
Have
a
quorum
okay
and
we
have
a
quorum
of
people
that
were
at
the
last
meeting.
They
don't
think
anybody
was
absent
from
the
previous
meeting.
So
if
you
all
could
take
a
minute
to
look
at
the
draft
minutes
and
then
we
can,
if
someone
can
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes,
and
I
will
look
at
them
as
well.
A
C
I
yeah
I'm
talking
about
the
points
mentioned
on
page
number,
I
believe,
second
to
last
so
that
is,
I
don't
see
the
page
number
mentioned
in
this,
but
what
the
heading
is.
The
planning
commission
was
asked
to
consider
the
identified
goals
for
this
housing
element
cycle
and
were
asked
to
provide
feedback
and
additional
goals
to
determine
a
consolidated
list
in
this
bullet
points.
One
bullet,
which
was
I
noted,
was
present
in
the
discussion,
was
to
minimize
observing,
which
is
missing
here
and.
C
E
A
A
A
B
And
actually,
thank
you,
commissioner,
kapil
for
obviously
doing
your
homework
beforehand
and
noting
that
you
had
some
questions
about
the
minutes
and
I'm
glad
it
was
resolved.
But
I
appreciate
you
doing
that
so
I'm,
basically
I'm
trying
to
be
part
of
the
housing
element,
conversation
which
has
been
very
difficult,
and
it
should
not
be
that
difficult.
B
It's
difficult,
difficult,
difficult,
it's
difficult
to
follow
what
is
or
isn't
going
on.
I
believe
that
you,
as
planning
commission,
were
slated
to
receive
presentation
related
to
the
site
selection,
three
different
times
in
the
last
two
weeks.
I
note
that
tonight's
agenda
is
void
of
that
discussion
as
well,
and
that
surprises
me.
B
B
B
I
also
understand
that
hcd
is
correctly,
expects
equitable
disbursement
of
housing,
quantity
and
type
throughout
cities.
I
have
questions
about
the
value
of
the
current
mapping
exercise
available
to
the
public
and
why
that
has
not
been
moved
past
part,
one
into
part
two.
When
they
talked
about
it
and
talked
about
it,
it's
just
not
there
and
side.
Note
continued
note.
B
Still,
I
received
zero
emails
from
that
website
notification
system
and
it's
been
talked
about.
It's
actually
come
out.
Finally,
I
believe,
finally,
in
public
that
it's
there
is
a
glitch
and
no
one's
getting
them
and
there's
supposed
to
be
a
workaround
and
I
swear
to
god.
I
think
that
was
a
month
ago
and
still
nothing
so
I'm
just
putting
it
out
there.
Thank
you.
A
F
Of
course,
I
may
I,
the
sites
inventory
discussion
was
sidetracked
a
little
bit
because
of
the
presentations
that
were
that
were
necessary
to
be
presented
to
the
council
and,
in
addition
with
the
required
subcommittee
that
that
was
set
up
by
the
the
city
council
regarding
the
housing
element,
and
so,
as
a
result
we
need
to
have.
You
know
that
discussion
will
come
back
to
the
planning,
commission
and
the
city
council.
F
We
just
simply
are
not
ready
to
have
that
discussion
yet
because
we
don't
have
a
fully
complete
list
to
present
to
the
planning
commission
to
have
that
discussion
and
with
regard
to
the
noticing
you
know
there,
there
isn't
anything
to
notify
the
public
about.
You
know
updates
to
the
housing
element
project
itself
at
this
time,
and
we
do
anticipate
that
there
will
be
a
subcommittee
meeting
shortly
and
as
soon
as
we
have
that
scheduled-
and
you
know
there
will
be
agendas
and
notifications
sent
out
about
that.
F
F
A
I
Thank
you,
I'm
sorry,
oh
thank
you.
Head
of
the
planning
question
hi,
I'm
jennifer
griffin
and
you
know
leading
offer
for
lisa
had
been
talking
about.
I'm
just
gonna
make
a
couple
of
comments
here.
The
there
was
an
audit
run
for
the
last
year
of
the
arena,
numbers
hcd,
the
plan
bay
area,
and
this
audit
brought
up
some
extremely
extremely
difficult,
very,
very
bad
flaws
in
how
the
housing
element
is
being
rolled
out
by
hcd,
mtc
and
a
bag.
I
I
I
think
that
they're
gonna
have
to
go
back
when
you,
when
you
have
these
massive
statistical
problems,
you
have
to
throw
it
out
and
go
back
to
the
beginning,
and
I
mean
we
have
to
go
back
to
the
beginning.
When
plan
bay
area
methods
were
first
adopted
by,
I
believe,
mtc
and
abag.
I
think
it
was
over
a
year
ago
because
there
were
people
that
complained
about
it.
Where
did
they
get?
What
statistical
methods
were
they're
using?
This
is
like
a
black
box
and
it
keeps
getting
worse.
I
The
magician
pulls
out
rabbits
and
sticks
and
ducks,
and
we
don't
know
what
statisticians
began-
the
plan
bay
area
numbers.
This
is
why
you
have
audits
to
find
out
where
people
went
astray
when
things
went
wrong,
nobody
knows
for
sure,
but
but
the
mtc
numbers
are
the
arena.
Numbers
are
obviously
wrong
in
whatever
capacity.
I
So,
of
course,
as
usual,
the
cities,
the
staff,
the
elected
members,
the
public
are
the
ones
that
are
left
holding
the
bag
and
having
to
essentially
waste
their
time
or
not
waste
their
time.
Trying
to
deal
with
it's
like
the
who
was
the
guy
that
was
pushing
the
rock
up
the
hill
edifice,
I'm
not
sure
we
are
stuck
with
these
bad
numbers,
and
yet
we
have
hcd
yelling
at
the
cities
that
they
have
to
try
to
meet
these
numbers.
It
makes
no
sense.
I
Therefore,
we
can't
have
anyone
yelling
at
the
city,
because
it's
an
impossible
task
to
push
this
rock
up
the
hill.
This
rock
came
from
hcd
a
bag
mtc,
and
they
need
to
correct
it
or
admit
they
did
something
wrong
it's
if
the
city
is
having
to
tote
the
line,
but
I
really
really
am
very
concerned
that
we
are
dragging
massive
statistical
error
along
with
us
and
it's
it's
not
a
rock.
It's
a
snowball
and
it's
getting
worse.
Thank
you.
A
K
All
right,
thank
you.
Can
everyone
see
my
screen
yep
all
right,
perfect,
all
right!
Good
evening
sharon,
commissioners,
I'm
erica
poveta,
associate
planner
with
community
development
department
and
tonight,
I'm
here
to
present
on
the
pda
planning
grant
funds
for
the
heart
of
the
city.
Specific
plan
update.
K
K
K
The
hsc
is
considered
the
most
important
commercial
corridor
in
the
city
and
spans
approximately
596
acres
as
part
of
the
2019-2020
city
work
program,
council
directed
staff
to
amend
the
hsc
specific
plan
to
clarify
setbacks
on
corner
lots,
review
street
tree
requirements,
update
sections
like
transit
corridors
and
consider
minimum
retail
percentage,
also
in
2019.
In
response
to
a
call
for
letters
of
interest
and
in
anticipation
of
the
six
cycle,
housing
element
update.
K
K
The
required
community
advisory
council
or
cac
would
be
a
representative
group
of
residents,
local
employees,
community-based
organizations,
service
providers
and
other
involved
members
in
the
special
plan
area.
The
role
of
the
cac
is
limited
to
reviewing
draft
plan
materials
and
informing
the
planning
process
through
their
community
experience.
J
K
K
It
is
also
anticipated
that
there
may
be
some
priority
sites
along
the
heart
of
the
city
transit
corridor,
in
keeping
with
the
state's
requirements
for
meeting
greenhouse
gas
targets
and
the
city's
obligation
to
meet
ghg
emission
goals
under
sb
375,
and
while
the
current
housing
element,
update
and
hse
specific
plan
update
are
separate
efforts.
Both
are
expected
to
run
along
parallel
tracks.
K
In
finding
a
consultant,
we
feel
that
there
are
two
options:
option
one
is
to
issue
a
new
request
for
proposals
for
the
work
option.
Two
is
to
work
with
the
existing
housing
element,
update,
consultant,
emc
planning
group
staff
recommends
the
second
option
due
to
the
fact
that
there
is
much
overlap
in
the
scope
of
work
for
both
efforts,
including
public
engagement,
analysis
rezoning
and
required
environmental
studies.
K
K
Should
we
proceed
with
option?
2
all
related
work
required
in
conjunction
with
the
housing
element,
is
expected
to
be
completed
by
january
31st
2023,
any
additional
tasks
beyond
what
is
required
by
the
housing
element.
Update,
are
anticipated
to
be
completed
within
three
years
of
contract
approval,
as
required
by
abag
and
mtc.
K
Staff
recommends
that
planning
commission
consider
the
information
and
consider
whether
to
adopt
the
draft
resolution
recommending
that
city
council
accept
the
pda
planning
grant
funds
initiate
the
hoc
specific
plan
update
in
conjunction
with
the
sixth
cycle
of
housing,
element,
update
and
award
a
revised
consultant
agreement
to
emc
to
incorporate
the
hsc
specific
plan
update
into
the
contract
scope
of
work
for
the
six
cycle.
Housing
element
update.
A
K
K
A
Okay,
yeah,
you
know
my
concern
is,
and
we've
seen
this
already
in
the
oral
communications
comments
is
that
the
planning
department
and
emc
seem
to
be
overwhelmed
with
the
task
of
creating
the
housing
element.
I
would
not
want
to
give
either
of
them
more
work
at
this
time
and
there's
definite
issues
with
doing
them
simultaneously.
A
A
A
I
I
They
have
done
some
things
in
the
last
two
years
that
are
reprehensible,
and
I,
which
causes
a
lot
of
the
public
to
question
any
of
the
methods
that
they
are
using,
because
I
can
say
right
now.
I
think
hcd
is
being
very,
very
abusive
to
the
cities
over
the
housing
elements
and,
as
the
chair
had
mentioned,
about
what
was
happening
in
southern
california
with
their
housing
elements,
they
are
just
being
reamed
by
hcd
for
no
reason,
so
I
think
that
this
grant
does
sound
attractive.
I
But
to
me
it
comes
with
too
many
strings.
I
don't
really
like
the
fact
that
we're
supposed
to
have
a
cac
and
a
tac,
a
committee,
which
is
what
something
I
guess
that
mtc
and
a
bag
say
that
we
have
to
have
who
are
these
people
and
why
are
they
making
decisions
about
our
heart
of
the
city?
I
have
a
lot
of
years
of
my
personal
life
tied
up
in
heart
of
the
city
and
believe
me,
I
am
not
ready
to
deliver
it
to
anyone
else
unless
the
city
goes
through
it.
I
Part
of
the
city
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
housing
element
and
as
far
from
what
I
have
seen,
the
way
that
hcd
and
mtc
and
abag
and
a
lot
of
other
groups
are
really
really
grabby
about
heart
of
the
city.
Heart
of
the
city
is
something
that
is
particular
to
cupertino
and
there
are
a
lot
of
other
people
outside
of
this
city
who
do
not
like
the
fact
that
cupertino
has
a
heart
of
the
city.
I
am
not
willing
to
surrender
heart
of
the
city
to
anyone.
I
I
have
years
of
my
life
and
time
committed
to
that,
and
I
am
not
going
to
go
back
on
that
if,
if
other
cities
and
in
agencies
and
parts
of
the
state,
don't
like
it,
that's
their
problem,
so
I
am
not.
I
don't
think
we
should
take
this
grant.
We
we
we
have
we've
got
apple,
we
have
people
that
can
donate
money
to
help
us
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
I
I
hate
to
say,
is
a
drop
in
the
bucket
in
amount
of
of
money
and
funding
that
is
available
to
cupertino
if
they
ask
for
it
properly.
I
just
think
that
this
grant
comes
with
too
many
strings
and
too
many
fingers
that
are
too
grabby
to
try
to
re-zone
the
heart
of
the
city.
I
I
don't
want
to
go
through
another.
I
A
L
So
I'm
asking
a
permission
to
finally
put
all
residents.
First,
no
matter
their
socio-economic
background
and
hope
that
the
commission
accepts
and
recommends
the
grant
to
the
council
and
furthermore,
pushes
for
more
housing
in
the
heart
of
our
city,
as
it
is
the
most
equitable,
fiscally
responsible
and
culturally
needed
step
forward
for
our
residents,
and
I
would
also
like
to
add,
as
a
lifelong
resident
of
our
city,
who
has
attended
our
public
schools
works
in
our
city
visits
and
thrives
on
our
small
businesses.
L
I
understand
that
cupertino
has
so
much
potential
and
so
much
culture
that
we
cannot
let
go
and
that
we-
and
we
can
and
to
not
accept
this
grant
at
this
moment,
because
it
will
take
too
much
work
or
because
the
drop
in
the
bucket
is
not
what
we
need
right
now
and
we
have
a
very,
very
extensive
housing
crisis
which
requires
immediate
attention,
especially
from
experts
across
the
state
and
region.
And
then
I
guess
before
I
leave.
L
I
want
to
note
that
today,
I've
heard
some
of
my
neighbors
and
I've
heard
some
of
my
neighbors,
not
only
in
this
meeting
but
before
this
meeting
urged
to
not
accept
this
grant.
But
I
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
we
cannot
go
down
this
same
exclusionary,
racist
and
classist
pat
against
housing,
and
we
just
need.
We
just
require
immediate
action.
M
M
M
M
B
B
And
I
haven't
planned
on
saying
this
because
it
doesn't
sound
right
coming
from
me,
how
I
feel
about
finances,
but
really
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
just
to
accept
it
with
a
goal
that
is
not
ready
to
be
tackled,
and
why
are
we
just
now
hearing
when
there
was
I
it's
unclear
who
applied
for
this
grant?
I've
heard
before
it
was
pew,
and
previously
it
feels
like
something
was
hinted
that
it
was
erica.
I'm
seeing
a
document
that
says
in
2019
it
was
ben.
B
I
it's
it's
just
hard
to
follow
what
even
happened
and
why
it's
taken
so
long
for
staff
to
bring
this
forth
to
planning
commission
and
city
council.
So
I
wouldn't
be
in
a
big
hurry
to
take
any
amount
of
money
if
it's
not
being
used
the
way
we
need
to
or
when
we
need
to.
So
I
ask
that
you
do
not
recommend
the
city
council
to
the
city
council
that
any
portion
of
the
draft
resolution
at
this
time.
B
B
They,
in
my
opinion,
aren't
performing
now
and
why
muddle
them
waters
and
give
them
control
over
something?
When
we
get
improper
feedback
from
them,
when
it's
most
needed,
we
could
be
in
big
trouble
with
hcd.
If
we
don't
get
this
housing
element
right-
and
I
agree
with
you,
chair
sharp
with-
I
believe,
all
the
statements
you
made.
J
B
A
F
A
F
Well,
there
we
go.
Thank
you,
sarah
dear
planning,
commissioners
and
staff.
I
do
not
think
the
city
should
accept
this
planning
pda
planning
grant
for
the
following
reasons.
Our
immediate
need
focus
on
and
complete
our
housing
element
by
january
2023.
Do
not
confuse
people
by
adding
the
hoc
focus
on
site
selection
needs
to
cover
the
entire
city,
not
just
one
area.
We
need
to
bring
transportation
to
areas
of
the
city
that
are
underserved.
F
Arcs
are
located
on
school
property,
equitable
access
and
distribution
of
produce
markets,
grocery
stores,
etc
are
critical
to
ensuring
our
entire
city
thrives
and
grows.
We
must
reduce
our
areas
of
inequity.
The
amc
group
already
has
a
very
full
agenda.
Don't
overload
them
they're
already
behind
schedule.
Adding
additional
requirements
will
not
improve
this
planning.
Commission
meeting
on
site
selection
has
been
cancelled
two
times
already.
Notifications
have
not
been
going
out
as
expected.
F
Our
planning
staff
already
are
overworked
limited
city
staff.
Our
staff
has
mentioned
multiple
times
that
they
are
stretched
thin
continually
hiring
new
planning
staff
give
them
time
to
become
familiar
with
our
city.
Its
specific
plans
and
zoning
staff's
time
has
already
been
spent
meeting
with
an
abag
mtc
grant
manager
to
prepare
attachment.
Three
pda
planning
grant
draft
scope
of
work
when
it
could
have
been
focused
on
our
housing
element.
It
probably
also
involved
the
emc
group's
time.
The
real
cost
cost.
F
F
Accepting
this
grant
would
force
the
city
to
begin
now
april,
30th
2022
over
two
years
earlier
than
the
staff
planned.
This
is
not
what
the
staff
planned
opportunities
for
future
funding.
As
the
staff
wisely
stated
in
their
staff
report,
page
six
of
nine
last
bullet.
If
the
city
does
not
accept
this
grant,
it
will
continue
to
be
eligible
to
apply
for
grant
funding
in
a
new
funding
cycle.
As
stated
in
attachment,
4
pda
planning
grant
guidance
document
documents
produced
previously
for
our
housing
element
could
be
used
as
part
of
satisfying
a
new
grant
work
effort.
F
Many
of
the
guidelines
and
suggestions
and
attachment
for
pda
planning
grant
guidance
can
be
used
to
help
the
city
complete
its
housing
element
without
being
tied
to
additional
requirements
for
the
grant
request.
Please
recommend
to
the
city
council
that
they
do
not
accept
the
pda
planning
grant
at
this
time.
Sincerely.
Peggy
griffin.
F
A
F
F
F
F
This
with
regard
to
yes,
the
grant
would
force
the
city
to
begin
in
april.
2022
is
what
the
email
from
ms
griffin
stated.
The
acceptance
of
these
grant
funds
do
not
require
the
city
to
start
the
process
or
the
work
in
april
2022.
We
could
still
we
we
still
have
three
years
from
when
we
enter
into
a
contract
to
spend
the
funds.
So
I
did
want
to
point
that
out.
A
C
Yeah,
actually,
my
understanding
of
this
proposal
is
that
there
is
a
10
10-year
worth
of
master
funding
program
associated
with
this.
That
means
that
that
is
not
master
funding
program.
If
you
accept
this
grant,
you
will
be
entered
into
that
master
funding
program,
and
I
have
no
clue
based
on
the
pdf
attached
that
what
that
master
funding
program
is
all
about.
So
definitely
there
is
a
lack
of
clarification
in
the
write-up,
which
was
forwarded.
C
Related
to
this
second
thing
is
that,
unless
that
it
is
about
vehicle
miles,
travel
that
that
point
is
well
taken,
because
if
it
is
a
corridor
which
is
associated
with
a
lot
of
offices
and
workplaces,
maybe
it
becomes
a
walking
distance
and
maybe
it
becomes
a
vta
related.
That
part
is
true,
but
greenhouse
gas
emission
piece
is
not
understood,
because
greenhouse
is
not
only
related
with
the
vehicles.
C
E
F
And
there
was
no
item
on
the
agenda
with
regard
to
whether
we
should
apply
for
the
grant
or
not.
There
were
no
requirements
to
have
that
discussion.
We've
been
encouraged
to
apply
for
grants
in
the
past.
There
have
been
certain
you
know
overall
direction
that
we've
received,
and
so
as
a
result
of
that.
E
E
F
F
Work
as
well
and,
in
addition,
as
erica
mentioned,
they're,
not
necessary
that
all
the
housing
element
sites
would
go
in
the
heart
of
the
city
area,
but
it
is
quite
possible
that
it
might
be
one
or
two
sites
that
could
be
in
a
housing
priority
area
and,
as
a
result,
some
of
the
housing
element
money.
Contract
money
could
be
replenished
from
these
grant
funds.
E
F
It
just
has
not
been
prioritized
because
of
staffing
challenges,
and
you
know
in
terms
of
just
the
work
that
was
associated
with
it,
but
since
we
had
a
consultant
since
there
might
be
some
sites
that
would
go
on
this,
we've
staff
actually
is
bringing
that
item.
As
a
recommendation
for
the
planning,
commission
and
council
to
consider
okay.
E
Yeah,
I
think
thank
you
for
setting
that
context,
because
this
explains,
you
know
why
it
is
here
and
what
it
is
here
and
why
you
explained
prior
time,
given
all
that
is
happening
in
the
city
with
with
the
housing
element
and
the
study,
I
also
tend
to
believe
that
probably
we're
not
ready
for
this
right
now
I
mean
ideally,
if
you're
applying
for
a
grant.
It
should
be
something
which
is
prioritized
high
for
the
city
which
pushes
it
forward,
not
something
which
we
are
doing,
because
somebody
is
giving
us
money.
E
E
F
A
A
So
my
feeling
on
this
I'm
mixed,
I
I
don't
support
doing
a
heart
of
the
city,
update
concurrent
with
the
housing
element.
I
think
that's
a
bad
idea
for
multiple
reasons.
It
became
even
more
of
a
bad
idea
after
I
was
at
this
planning
commissioner
academy
and
consulted
with
some
of
my
colleagues
from
southern
california.
A
We
really
don't.
We
don't
want
to
do
anything
that
would
mandate
us
putting
more
housing
in
the
heart
of
the
city
when
this
affh
affirmatively
furthering
fair
housing.
These
other
cities
got
hit
by
this
because
they
were
doing
what
we're
doing,
putting
all
the
housing
in
one
place
and
not
putting
it
in
the
neighborhoods
that
are
higher
resource,
and
so
I'm
concerned
about
that.
Especially
you
know:
they're
getting
their
housing
elements
rejected,
right
and
left,
and
the
legislative
analyst
for
california
league
of
cities
he's
saying.
A
Well,
yes,
they
are
but
hcd
can't
sue
every
city
in
california,
but
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
good
good
reason
to
do
something
that
would
cause
us
to
get
rejected
too.
We
really
have
to
craft
a
housing
element
that
passes
muster
with
hcd
and
I
understand
yeah.
The
state
auditor
auditor
report
was
a
big
topic
of
conversation
at
the
planning
commissioner
academy,
but
it's
really
not
going
to
affect
the
sixth
arena
cycle
at
this
time,
they're
not
going
to
go
back
and
redo
all
the
numbers.
Despite
what
the
auditor
found.
J
F
There
was
a
call
for
interest
from
abag
and
mtc
back
in.
I
believe
it
was
2019
and
at
that
time
that
call
for
interest
a
letter
was
sent
in
by
the
city
for
its
pda,
in
anticipation
of
the
sixth
cycle,
housing
element,
and
so,
as
a
result
it
doesn't
like.
I
said
it
doesn't
bind
the
city
into
doing
anything,
but
it
did
allow
us
to
apply
for
those
grad
funds.
F
A
And
I
know
one
of
my
fellow
commissioners
mentioned
transit
and
greenhouse
gas.
That
was
also
a
big
topic
at
the
planning
commissioner
academy
and
in
another
meeting
I
had
on
sunday,
and
it
was
interesting
because
what
was
really
driving
up
the
cost
of
housing
according
to
a
building
industry
executive
was
via
was
the
change
to
vmt.
A
A
I
know
vta
has
no
plans
for
high
quality
transit
up
the
stephens
creek
corridor,
despite
the
brt
line,
we're
not
planning
any
elon,
musk
boring
tunnel
or
a
monorail,
or
anything
like
that.
That's
that's
not
happening
and
again
we
you
know.
In
the
short
term,
we
need
emc
and
the
planning
staff
to
concentrate
on
the
housing
element
and
not
get
distracted
with
doing
a
heart
of
the
city
update
at
the
same
time.
A
D
A
I
won't
say
anything
about
what
consultant
should
get
it,
because
by
that
time
you
know.
Maybe
emc
does
make
a
good
proposal.
So
let's
not
exclude
anyone
so
that'll
be
the
motion
to
accept
the
award
but
do
not
initiate
the
hoc
specific
plan
until
after
the
housing
element
has
been
completed
and
approved
and
accepted
by
hcd.
E
Shall
we
start
discussion
on
this
sure
yeah?
I
wanted
to
check
with
the
staff
whether
that's
something
which
would
work,
because
I
think
this
is
something
which
agrees
with
the
principles
I
had
about
not
forcing
something
on
the
city
when
we
already
knew
deep
in
something
else.
So
would
that
work?
Would
that
be
something
acceptable
to
the
grant
allocator
or
where
we
getting
the
ground
from.
K
K
K
Sure
so
this
is,
you
can
see
it.
This
is
the
draft
scope
of
work.
It
does
have
several
different
tasks,
namely
public
engagement,
and
this
is
where
let
me
zoom
in
a
little
bit.
This
is
where
the
community
advisory
council
and
technical
advisory
committee
would
fall
under
in
addition
to
public
engagement.
K
J
K
E
A
E
C
Right,
my
thinking
is
that
you,
you
have
the
opportunity
to
for
this
fund
later
in
time.
Also,
so
when
it
becomes,
your
housing
element
becomes
clear
at
that
point,
you
can
still
apply
for
this
and
get
going
with
it
tying
your
hand
right
now,
with
this
fund
and
without
knowing
what
it
entails
in
terms
of
details
is
probably
going
to
bite
you
by
in
the
near
future.
F
Started
in
2023,
I
think
a
two-year
timeline
might
be
adequate
for
a
specific
plan
update
it's
it's
not
a
very
large.
You
know
update,
particularly
if
we're
going
to
wait
until
after
the
housing
element.
I
do
want
to
caution
that
if
we
were
to
try
there
might
be
another
funding
cycle
in
a
few
years,
but
if
there
are
not
many
sites
in
the
heart
of
the
city,
for
you
know
consideration
it
would
not.
F
Our
the
scope
of
work
would
not
align
with
abac
and
mtc's
goal,
which
is
to
increase
housing
and
jobs
and
connect
vmt
et
cetera,
which
they
you
know.
The
the
the
conventional
thinking
is
that
where
there
is
transit,
if
you
put
housing
there,
the
greenhouse
gas
emissions
etc
go
down
so
so
that
linkage
is
kind
of
lost
a
little
bit.
However,
with
that
said
in
general,
two
years
might
be
adequate
to
do
that.
Update.
F
So
the
goal
is
also
to
consider
the
rezoning.
I
don't
think
they
want
to
only
pay,
for
you
know,
clarifications
to
side,
yard
setbacks
or
you
know
pollinator
pathways,
or
you
know
things
that
might
be
in
the
city's
interest
other
than
just
you
know
upzoning.
So
I
did
want
to
caution
that
so
we
would,
we
may
not
necessarily
be
competitive
enough
for
them
in
order
to
qualify
for
the
grant.
A
You
mean
if
we
reapplied
correct,
okay.
Well,
I
mean
it's:
it's
the
city
council
that
decides
this.
You
know
we're
just
making
a
recommendation,
so
you
know
I
would
stick
with
my
recommendation
that
we
accept
the
money,
but
don't
start
the
hoc
update
until
after
the
housing
element
is
completed
and
the
city
council
at
their
meeting
they
can
decide
whether
or
not
it
makes
sense
given
the
timelines
to
proceed
so
that
yeah.
A
E
F
J
F
F
C
F
K
Abac
and
mtc
is
requesting
a
master
funding
agreement,
and
this
is,
you
could
think
of
it
more
as
just
an
umbrella
contract,
and
we
have
had
our
attorneys
take
an
initial
look
at
it.
So
I'm
sure,
if
you
have
questions
about
the
details
of
the
perhaps
michael,
you
could
jump
in
if
I'm
missing
anything,
but
this
is
just
an
initial
umbrella
contract
to
kind
of
start,
the
the
funding
relationship
between
the
city
and
abag
and
mtc
subsequently
any
funding
specific
funding
sources.
K
D
So
if
I,
if
I
can
jump
in
commissioner
compute,
so
this
is
really
just
a
delivery
mechanism
to
facilitate
providing
grants
for
specific
services.
So
what
mtc
the
model
they've
gone
through
is
to
create,
what's
called
a
master
agreement
that
has
all
the
legal
terms
and
conditions
so
that
all
of
the
legal
counsel
can
review
it
provide
comments
and
then
negotiate
that
and
subsequent
to
that
anytime,
a
new
grant
comes
into
play.
D
C
What
I
wanted
to
actually
know
was,
basically,
if
you
accept
this
initial
400
000
grand
does
it
bind
you
to
the
subsequent
clauses
in
the
master
funding
program,
which
you
need
to
adhere
to
means
that
if
you
have
accepted
this-
and
you
have
used
that
initial
400
000
for
the
purpose
and
then
you
will
have
to
follow
through
on
the
remaining
clauses
which
the
master
funding
program
has
is.
There
is
something
like
that:
a
link
between
the
two.
F
Michael,
if
you
may,
I
mean,
if
I
may,
in
terms
of
the
master
funding
agreement,
all
it
kind
of
states.
Is
you
know?
How
is
the
city?
How
is
the
city
going
to
be
reimbursed?
You
know,
it
kind
of
you
know
talks
about
the
general
terms
of
how
the
city
will
approach
it
will
take.
It
will
accept
the
money
that
comes
from
a
bag
mtc,
but
the
planning
pda
grant
funds,
that's
kind
of
nested
under
that
master
funding
agreement.
F
So
unless
we
apply
when
once
we
get
invoiced
by
our
consultant
for
a
certain
amount
of
work,
that's
when
we
would
apply
to
a
bank
mtc
to
get
reimbursed
for
that
work.
So
it
doesn't
really
tie
us
to
anything.
If
we
ultimately
at
the
end
of
2020,
let's
say
april
2025,
we
only
got
through
one-third
of
the
work
that
was
required
for
this.
F
F
There
are
certain
pieces
that
will
exist.
For
example,
let's
say
there
is
a
retail
assessment.
That's
done
so
there
is
some
amount
of
money
that
that
is
tied
to
that
retail
assessment.
The
consultant
will
invoice
us
for
the
work
that
they
do
in
a
certain
month
and
once
we
get
that
once
we
have
that
retail
report
completed,
that's
when
that
we
get
paid
for
that
amount.
E
Erica
could
we
just
again
show
the
final
section
which
talks
about
the
documents
which
have
to
be
generated,
because
I
think
that
document
actually
had
a
lot
of
process
issues
of
how
we're
going
to
do
it.
But
there
was
a
final
section
which
talked
about
the
the
actual
deliverables.
Could
you
just
share
that
again.
E
K
F
J
F
Internal
review
meeting
they
will
pay
for
that
work,
subsequent
cac
meetings,
they'll
pay
for
that.
If
we
get
to
the
final,
can
you
scroll
down
erica?
If,
for
example,
we
don't
get
to
an
administrative
draft
or
we
don't
get
to
the
final
specific
plan,
they
won't
pay
for
that
particular
piece:
okay,
okay,
that.
A
A
A
E
A
A
I
mean
the
reason
I
I
phrased
it.
The
way
I
did
is
because
the
recommendation
on
the
agenda
is
different
than
what
what
I'm
recomm,
what
I
propose
to
recommend
to
city
council,
so
I
yeah
I
made
the
motion.
It
has
not
been
seconded
yet,
okay
does
anybody.
You
know
want
to
second
it
that
we
accept
the
pda
funding,
but
we
do
not
start
the
update
to
hoc
until
our
housing
element
is
complete
and
approved
by
hcd.
E
E
A
J
A
A
F
A
H
H
H
The
code
also
requires
any
appeals
for
those
projects
to
be
heard
by
planning
commission
followed
by
city
council.
State
law
requires
ministerial
approval
of
accessory
dwelling
units
up
to
800
square
feet,
regardless
of
site
conditions,
so
the
adu
is
not
going
to
be
considered
as
a
part
of
the
appeal.
H
H
The
7
adjacent
property
owners
were
notified
via
mail
and
a
site
sign
was
posted.
We
received
one
comment
during
the
comment
period
requesting
clarification
of
a
setback.
We
then
received
an
additional
comment
from
the
appellate
miss
hall.
After
the
end
of
the
comment
period
on
january
6th,
the
concerns
included
size
and
design
of
the
project,
privacy
impacts
on
the
second
story
and
concerns
that
the
project
would
have
severe
adverse
impacts
on
affordability
in
the
neighborhood.
H
Staff
responded
to
each
public
comment
and
included
a
summary
of
comments
and
responses
in
the
action
letter
dated
february
4th.
Although
ms
hall's
comments
arrived
after
the
end
of
the
comment
period,
language
was
included
in
the
action
letter
that
acknowledged
that
we
received
the
comments
and
we
briefly
addressed
her
concerns
at
that
time.
H
H
In
response
staff
conducted
a
review
of
the
existing
homes
on
barnard
avenue
near
the
subject,
property
between
meredith
drive
and
sterling
boulevard
staff
also
performed
a
windshield
survey
of
a
portion
of
the
rancho
during
canada.
Neighborhood.
Both
reviews
indicate
that
the
surrounding
neighborhood
is
transitional
and
has
a
mix
of
both
single-story
and
two-story
residences.
H
The
figure
here
highlights
the
two-story
residents
in
the
immediate
surrounding
area
near
the
subject
property
within
the
0.3
mile
stretch
of
barnard
avenue
that
was
surveyed.
We
found
that
34.8
of
the
homes
were
two-story
residences,
with
an
average
floor
area
of
approximately
2
600
square
foot,
the
proposed
2271
square
foot
two-story
residence.
H
It's
important
to
note
that
this
neighborhood
does
not
have
a
single
story
overlay.
Therefore,
the
city
cannot
require
the
home
to
be
limited
to
single
story
in
this
neighborhood.
Additionally,
the
project
complies
with
all
development
regulations
for
r15
zone
properties.
Regarding
that
symbol,
including
the
floor
area
ratio
first
floor
building,
envelope,
setback
regulations
and
building
height
again,
the
proposed
attached
adu
is
not
being
considered
as
part
of
this
two-story
permit,
but
it
also
complies
with
state
laws
and
the
city's
adu
site
development
regulations.
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
The
appellant
also
had
concerns
with
fire
hazards
caused
by
development
near
utility
lines
on
the
site.
Staff
had
noted
that
the
proposed
project
is
free
and
clear
of
the
existent
public
public
utility
easement.
The
only
proposed
alterations
within
the
easement
area
were
landscaping,
modifications
which
are
not
restricted
in
the
easement
area.
H
H
A
P
I
mean
this
this
project
and
it
goes
on
and
on
like
this
short
notice,
short
notice
and
short
notice,
and
then
it
is
as
if
this
is
already
been
planned
to
push
be
pushed
through.
So
you
know
it's
like
eating
your
head
against
the
wall
anyway,
so
I
tried
to
you
know
for
me,
I'm
right.
Next
to
this,
I
find
that
it
is
not
unnecessarily
large
plan.
J
P
And
why
I
think
that
is
that
our
neighborhood,
from
wonderland
on
out
to
stalin
is
not
full
of
large
houses.
The
large
houses
are
to
the
west
of
wonderland
on
barnhart
and
also
the
large.
There
are
no
large
houses
that
if
nobody
presented
this
on
the
side
on
the
backside
of
this
project
known
on
on
on
the
guest
and
they
have
very
nice
single
level
homes,
there's
a
nice
single
level
home
going
up
next
to
me
on
the
other
side
and
there's
a
a
nice
single
level,
one
on
the
on
the
other
side.
P
There
I
mean
it's
very
possible
to
put
in
a
nice
moderate
home.
I
feel
this
has
just
been
pushed
through,
so
somebody
can
make
a
lot
of
money,
and
it's
just
been
very
frustrating
to
me
that
I
can't
find
reasons.
One
thing
I
said
was
that
apparently
it
used
to
be
that
you
can
take
you.
You
need
to
have
an
owner
applicant
for
this
type
of
project,
and
this
project
has
been
a
rental
for
years.
P
These
other
ones
are
really
really
tight
in
the
back
and
as
for
not
having
any
reason
for
screening
on
the
sides,
I
don't
understand
that
one
at
all.
It's
our
side
side
by
side,
people
that
are
actually
getting
a
whole
lot
of
needing
a
whole
lot
of
protection
here
and
there's
no
plan
for
doing
a
big
screen
on
the
on
the
sides.
The
east
and
the
west.
P
J
P
Excuse
me,
and
it's
just
like
the
structure
just
dwarfs
the
current
neighborhood,
so
I'm
sure
I
could
be
better
prepared.
This
has
been
very
hard
for
me,
but
I
am
concerned
about
the
light
light
level
coming
from
the
new
project.
It's
very
bad
to
sleep
in
a
very
light.
You
know
the
heart.
You
should
be
sleeping
in
nice,
dark
spots
and
and
I'm
straight
at
the
light
level
here
and.
P
P
The
other
thing
that
I
think
that
they
should
be
mandated
to
do,
and
there
is
things
to
say
so-
you
should
is
make
sure
that
you
recycle
your
things
that
you
that
you
can
and
my
you
know
I've
seen
people
just
come
in
there
and
just
flatten
over
it.
That
is
why
it's
old,
it
is
excellent
quality,
redwood
siding.
P
A
I
I
This
is
basically
a
monster
house
that
has
come
back
again.
It's
2700
square
feet
on
a
5
000
square
foot
lot.
I
was
shocked
to
see
that
this
was
happening.
Okay
now
I
understand
about
the
adu,
but
we've
got
three
different
factors
here.
One
of
them
is
to
me.
The
most
glaring
example
is
that
we
have
a.
We
have
an
adu
construction
sitting,
six
inches
from
a
five
foot,
pg
e
clearance,
which
is
across
the
back
of
all
the
properties
in
rancho
rinconada.
It's
across
the
back
of
mine.
I
You
cannot
have
a
building
that
close
to
the
pg
e
clearance,
in
los
angeles,
their
utility
company
requires
10
feet
from
any
easement
to
the
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge.
This
is
the
first
time
that
I
have
seen
any
type
of
a
structure,
I'm
going
to
throw
it
out
there,
the
adus
built
next
to
or
in
a
public
utility
easement.
We
need
to
have
a
steady
session
on
this.
This
is
not
going
to
fly.
They
could
burn
down
the
entire
neighborhood,
the
icler's
beer
knockoff
eichlers,
they
burn
in
nine
minutes.
I
You
cannot
have
any
type
of
construction
16
feet
of
adu
five
feet
from
the
property
line.
Has
anybody
talked
to
pg
e?
We
have
to
have
a
discussion.
We
will
have
a
discussion.
I
will
begin
calling
senators
tomorrow
and
escalate
it
to
the
government.
We
cannot
have
80
views
that
close
to
utility
lines.
The
other
one
is
to
me.
The
adu
law
about
the
forefoot
setbacks
was
voted
was
passed
by
the
governor
a
year
ago
with
zero
input.
We
have
not
had
the
city-wide
discussion
on
the
four-foot
setbacks
of
the
adu.
I
We've
been
dancing
backwards
in
high
heels,
and
we
will.
We
will
have
the
discussion
on
this.
The
other
one
is.
The
house
is
too
large
for
the
lot.
It
is
a
monster
house,
I'm
sorry
to
bring
that
term
up,
but
we
need
to
have
that
discussion
again.
How
did
this
happen?
That
lot
would
be
required
to
have
a
2250
house
and
then
you
throw
in
the
500
square
foot
adu.
It
is
25
larger
than
allowed.
How
is
this
happening?
I
B
Thank
you,
so
I'm
repellent.
I
want
to
agree
with
most
of
what,
on
all
probably
of
what
the
appellant
has
stated
and,
more
importantly,
what
she
had
written,
because
I
think
she
wasn't
able
to
cover
everything
she
wanted
to
say.
But
I
I
agree
with
all
her
points.
Sadly,
I
think
many
of
them
there's
no
control
over
due
well
in
part
with
the
adus,
the
state
law
that
allows
this
thing
to
be
added
to
a
lot
with
a
normal
sized
house
for
the
lot.
B
I
wish
there
was
a
way
you
could
wave
your
magic
wand
and
make
those
particular
people
who
are
doing
this
to
make
money,
and
you
know
they
have
the
ability
to
do
it
so
who
can?
Who
can
tell
them
not
to?
I
guess
but
have
respect
for
those
who
are
existing
neighbors
and
in
many
cases
these
things
don't
show
that
any
form
of
respect
others
do.
B
I
I
understand
sharon's
frustration
about
not
having
privacy
on
the
side
first
off.
I
want
to
mention
that
in
the
plan
set
page
a5
and
a6
in
the
pro,
so
this
isn't
the
stamp
set,
because
the
stamp
set
was
even
worse.
This
was
labeled
as
an
amended
set,
and
I
don't
know
what
the
amendments
were,
but
they
don't
show
proper
elevate,
the
label,
the
labels
on
the
elevations
and
I've
seen
this
before
in
plans
that
come
through
and
it
doesn't
get
caught
by
the
planner.
B
I
think
it
gets
caught
by
the
building
department.
I
hope,
but
honestly,
when
all
a
person
has
to
look
at
as
a
plan
set
and
they're
trying
to
figure
out.
How
is
this
property
this
building?
Going
to
affect
me
and
the
labels
on
the
pages
are
incorrect.
They
have
west
elevation,
marked
east
east
marked
west
north
mark
south
south
mark
north.
So
you
don't
know
unless
you
it's
horrible,
it's
sloppy
plane
sets,
and
I
just
saw
one
two
months
ago-
same
situation
and
I've
seen
them
before.
B
B
A
G
This
is
jackson
yeah,
the
applicant
sorry,
I
was
just
trying
to
find
a
raise,
my
hand
button
hello,
good
evening,
planning
commission
I'm
here
trying
to
represent
mrs
huang,
which
is
the
owner
of
this
property.
She
might
have
a
hard
time
expressing
herself
in
english,
but
I
think
she
will
tries
to
do
it.
Regarding
this
project.
G
I
mean
I
mean
I
I
know
mrs
wong
for
a
while.
She
have
two
kids.
Her
son
actually
go
to
cupertino
sports
center
for
basketball
right
and
they
have
two
two
old
parents
in
the
house,
so
they
actually
need
the
space
for
them.
So
I
mean
I'm
getting
this
we're
getting.
There's
a
lot
of
comments
saying
this
is
a
massive
house.
You
know,
there's
no
backyard,
I
mean
if
we
were
building
a
one-story
house.
G
We'd
still
be
allowed
to
build
45
percent
with
a
view,
and
you
know
that
would
leave
them
with
literally
no
backyard
at
all
with
the
the
adu
setback
and
we're
trying
to
do
our
best
to
you
know
to
protect
the
privacy
of
the
neighbors.
I
I
you
know,
I
told
her
at
the
beginning.
You
know
have
to
have
your
windows
about
five
feet.
You
know
above
the
five
feet.
So
so
you
don't
you
know
you
don't
encroach
on
your
privacy
of
your
neighbors
and
do
not
build
a
balcony.
G
I
mean
you
know
we're
compared
to
all
the
newly
developed
around
this
neighborhood.
Well,
everybody
seems
to
be
building
balconies,
you
know
lower
window
sales.
You
know
we're
really
trying
our
best
to
protect
the
privacy
of
the
neighbors,
and
I
don't
honestly.
I
think
I
don't.
I
actually
absolutely
need
the
space
to
live
in
I
mean
I,
I
don't
think
this
should
be.
You
know
denied
us
for
our
project.
G
A
Q
Q
I'm
glad
to
see
california
and
cupertino
has
taken
this
adu
policy
to
make
sure
we
have
a
comfortable
space
for
everybody,
and
also,
I
know
adu
is
out
of
the
discussion
scope
for
today's
meeting,
but
even
for
the
main
house.
According
to
my
research,
all
the
new
houses
approved
by
the
city
of
cupertino
in
the
past
20
years
in
this
community,
this
house
is
among
the
average
size.
Q
So
I
don't
think
the
scale
is
beyond
the
you
know,
the
average
two
two-story
houses
which
is
totally
allowed
in
this
neighborhood,
so
I
you
know
as
a
regular
citizen
and
resident
in
this
community
and
the
future,
hopefully
a
bigger
family
who
will
live
here
happily
for
many
years.
I
really
support
this
new
house,
which
will
improve
the
whole
community
by
its
beautiful
design
and
the
decent
design
and
very
practical
for
to
accommodate
more
families
coming
to
our
beautiful
cupertino.
Thank
you.
A
N
N
A
J
H
A
So
so
maybe
this
is
nitpicking,
but
my
concern
is
you're,
showing
a
house
with
forests
and
lakes
around
it,
but
not
any
of
the
surrounding
houses
and
how
how
small
they
are,
and
you
know
I
know
this
is
a
legal
house,
but
it
does
seem.
I
I
I
rode
my
bike
over
there
this
this
afternoon
to
look
at
it
and
it
does
seem
way
out
of
scale
for
that
side
of
barnhart
avenue.
It
just
seems
enormously
large
based
on
this
photo,
and
I
just
wonder
why
our
photos
are
not.
A
F
I
can
take
a
stab
at
it.
It
may
be
satisfactory.
The
municipal
code
only
requires
a
3d
rendering
of
the
house
itself.
It
doesn't
necessarily
require
a
rendering
of
what's
around
it
and
as
a
result,
this
is
it
it's
something
that
applicants
certainly
nitpick
with
us
about.
We've
asked
to
clarify
that
it's
further.
A
Okay,
so
this
is
what's
legally
required.
You
don't
have
to
actually
show
what
it
looks
like
in
the
neighborhood.
I
see:
okay,
yeah
I'll,
go
back
to
the
planning
commission
and
see
what
their
comments
are
go
ahead.
Let's
see
who
has
their
hand
raised
anybody,
sanji
go
ahead,
sanju,
go
ahead
or
sanjeev.
Sorry.
C
C
Is
it
not
costing
more
to
have
this
meeting,
and
this
is
amount
of
the
time
we
are
spending
on
this
one
and
and
over
and
over
again-
and
we
are
doing
nothing
about
it,
because
this
is
the
fourth
time
I'm
listening
to
this
privacy
concern.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
a
little
psyched
up
on
this.
One
second
thing
is
that
that
this
is
not
27
22
71
square
feet,
build
area
and
560
square
feet
is
not
2700.
It
is
28
32,
which
is
56.6
percent
covered
area.
You
remove
the
edu.
C
Maybe
that
is
less
so
effectively.
It
is
a.
It
is
a
big
house
as
compared
to-
and
I
actually
went
this
afternoon
there
and
I
and
all
the
houses
next,
which
are
bigger
houses.
They
are
either
facing
towards
the
road
accepting
one
or
two
exceptions
they
are
facing.
The
cross-section
their
windows
are
towards
the
cross-section
out
there
or
they
are
facing
towards
another
double-story
house.
C
This
house
is
sitting
in
a
single
story
on
a
and
neighbor
a
single
story.
Then
both
sides
never
is
single
story
and
few
houses
down
the
line
are
all
single
story
and
I
walked
through
the
street
around
it.
The
some
of
the
houses
are
double
story
here,
but
they
are
in
general,
their
windows
are
facing
towards
the
road
not
towards
somebody's
backyard
or
the
scene,
but
that
is
something
for
the
the
the
planner
to
figure
this
out.
Second
thing:
maybe
the
privacy
is
covered
under
landscape
requirements.
C
C
Third
thing
is
that
if
you
have
a
a
utility
pole
next
to
it,
I'm
an
engineer-
and
I
know
that
the
pole-
if
there
is
a
sparking
on
the
on
the
wires
which
happens
in
my
neighborhood
so
often
if
your
aidu
is
next
to
it
five
feet
from
there.
How
is
that
wooden
structure
is
not
gonna
catch
a
fire
or
if
there
is
a
storm
that
particular
a
coal
is
going
to
fall
on
that
area?
C
How
is
the
people
under
in
living
in
that
area
are
not
going
to
be
hurt,
so
that
is
a
valid
point
of
utility.
There
are
some
solutions
to
it.
You
can
ask
pgna
to
move
the
pole
to
10
feet
or
whatever
from
the
property,
so
that
that
that
is
not
an
issue.
But
to
me
these
two
are
the
main
I
would.
I
would
have
hold
the
appeal.
E
Okay,
so
I
had
a
few
questions.
First
of
all,
are
typically
adu
supposed
to
be
added
to
existing
homes,
or
can
you
build
a
new
home
with
an
adu
like?
Is
there
like?
I
always
thought
the
spirit
of
edu
was
to
add
a
second
home
which
another
family
or
people
can
live
in
in
the
same
lot
on
an
existing
home.
So
I
wanted
to
get
some
clarification
from
the
staff
around
that.
E
A
E
The
second
thing,
a
question
I
had
for
folks
for
that
you
talked
about
the
easements,
so
I
heard
some
conflicting
information
that
the
adu
would
be
too
close
or
would
not
be
honoring
the
easements.
Could
you
clarify
that,
like?
What
exactly
is
the
the
code
and
how
far
the
eda
would
be
from
the
easement
line,
and
so
on.
H
B
E
A
E
Yes
exactly
so,
so
I
guess,
if
you
just
break
it
into
two
components,
and
if
somebody
built
the
house
and
they
wanted
to
add
an
adu,
it
would
still
be
legal.
The
fact
that
it
is
happening
together
as
part
of
a
new
construction
is
not
impacting
that
taxes
right.
Okay,
thank
you.
I
think
the
the
next
thing
was
that
you
had
in
the
proposal
you
had
that
the
applicant
should
submit
plans
with
grade
levels.
H
H
H
F
E
Okay,
okay,
awesome,
so
it
looks
like
the
there
is
no
exception
being
made
on
any
parts
on
the
design
or
the
approval
of
the
home.
It
is
compliant
with
all
our
ordinances
and
everything.
Okay.
The
other
question
I
had
is
in
the
picture.
It
looks
like
there's
a
side
porch
on
the
house.
Like
you
know
the
the
house
in
the
middle
of
lakes.
That
picture.
Could
you
just
show
the
design
once
more.
E
F
E
C
Yeah
what
I
was
talking
about
that
the
second
in
the
in
the
second
level,
you
have
those
windows
right.
They
are
basically
straight
windows,
they
are
like
and
they
I
think
what
the
the
r1
zoning
requires
is
that
they
should
be
at
least
five
feet
from
the
floor,
and
even
and
if
they
are
not,
then
you
will
have
to
provide
some
kind
of
shrubs
on
the
on
the
side
so
that
you
can
block
the
view
or
something
like
that
so
over
here.
C
This
is
in
general,
if
you
notice
in
commercial
building
and
google
it,
you
will
find
that
many
buildings
have
that
kind
of
a
provision
where
it
is
at
30
degrees
and
angled
glass,
where
the
viewer
can
only
see
towards
the
right
angle
to
that
particular
window,
which
basically
goes
to
the
to
the
road,
and
that
is
one
second
thing.
I
noted
in
this
property,
even
if
you
provide
those
shrubs
right.
The
shrub
name,
which
I,
which
is
mentioned
here
I
actually
went
on
the
wikipedia
and
and
and
search
its
name.
C
Its
typical
height,
is,
is
somewhere
around
seven
feet
to
ten
feet
at
that
point,
and
we
are
talking
about
a
building
of
26
feet,
high
okay.
So
so,
even
if
you
take
the
the
lower
portion
of
that
window
that
five
feet
here,
that
shrub
is
not
going
to
cover
what
the
shrub
mentioned
in
this
plan,
and
I
have
the
name
for
that.
Also.
J
N
C
J
C
Third
thing
is,
you
know
I
mean
these
are
when
the
autumn
comes,
there
are
no
leaves,
and
when
storm
comes,
the
these
things
fall
on
your
drainage
system
or
your
guardrails,
and
it
will
block
your
plumbing
whatever.
So
there
are
a
couple
of
issues
out
there,
so
that
is
related
to
privacy.
I
would
say:
okay.
E
F
If
I
make
commissioner
saxena
a
laurel,
nobelis
grows
to
between
15
to
20
feet
in
height
the
whole
purpose
of
planting
these
shrubs
is
to
provide
a
reasonable
screening
within
three
years
of
planting
when
they
are
planted.
They
we
require
that
they're
planted
at
a
minimum
height
of
six
feet,
okay
and
the
only
place
where
they
are
required
to
plant.
These
is
currently
in
the
backyard.
The
rest
of
the
windows
are
all
exceed
the
five
foot,
sill
height
limitation,
that
the
city
has
in
its
code.
J
C
A
E
So
this
is
some
summarize,
I
think
the
house
by
itself
is
compliant
with
all
the
regulations
we
have.
Although,
like
many
of
us,
we
are
surprised
that
our
regulations
have
approved
that,
including
building
that
big
adu,
which
is
like
almost
like
one
third
of
the
square-
footage
of
that.
But
that's
my
understanding
from
what
the
staff
has
told
me
all.
A
F
So
I'm
I'm
going
to
be
very
cautious
about
the
words
that
I
use
here.
Otherwise,
I'm
going
to
be
represented
by
michael
here,
but
in
general,
this
neighborhood
is
a
neighborhood
in
transition.
There
are
many
two-story
homes.
There
are
many
large
two-story
homes.
There
are
many
small
two-story
homes,
but
in
general
they
all
comply
with
the
cities.
Fbr.
In
fact,
all
the
homes
that
we
see
right
now
come
in
with
an
far
44.9
percent.
F
We
do
not
see
any
homes
that
come
in
at
35
25
any
of
those
other
percentages,
everybody
maxes
it
out
and
as
has
this
applicant,
so
from
that
perspective
you
know-
I,
I
don't
believe
you
know,
according
to
the
housing
accountability
act,
two,
because
this
is
two
units
that
that
are
being
proposed,
one
of
which
we
cannot.
You
know
we
cannot
consider
tonight
because
it's
a
ministerial.
L
F
We
cannot
reduce
the
density
of
the
of
the
units
which
includes
the
size.
We
allow
45
percent.
That's
what
we
got
to
allow
you
know.
So
from
that
perspective
there
is
a
precious
little
that
we
can
do
about
the
size
of
the
unit
itself.
You
know
if
the
commission
wishes
to
consider,
you
know,
is
it?
Do
you
want
to
lower
the
height
by?
Maybe
something
or
you
know
something-
that's
not
you
know
totally
egregious
in
terms
of
reducing
the
size
of
the
unit.
F
D
No,
I
think
pew
has
correctly
articulated
the
requirements
under
the
housing
accountability
act.
This
is
a
this
is
a
project
that
objectively
fits
within
all
of
our
objective
status
requirements.
So,
therefore,
if
you,
if
you,
you
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
decrease
the
size
of
this
of
this
project,
unless
you
make
some
very
specific
findings
and
they're,
it's
it's
very,
and
those
findings
are
read
to
you.
D
You
would
have
to
this,
commissioner,
defined
that
you
conditioned
you
reduced
the
size
of
this
project
at
the
mix
that
that
this
project
has
a
specific
adverse
impact
upon
the
public,
health
or
safety
unless
the
project
is
disapproved
or
approved,
by
the
condition
that
projects
develop
at
a
lower
density
and
a
specific
adverse
impact
means
a
significant,
significant,
quantifiable,
direct
and
unavoidable
impact
based
on
objective
written
public
health
or
safety
standards.
So
you
know,
and
that's
the
requirement,
because
it
does
objectively
meet
all
of
our
standards.
F
Well,
I
mean
yeah
michael
is
right
that
that
is
not
something
that
you
know.
Maybe
design
features
is
might
be
something
that
the
commission
could
consider.
The
other
thing
the
good
commission
could
consider
is,
like
I
mentioned,
maybe
lowering
the
height
six
inches.
You
know
foot
these.
These
are
ten
foot
plates
on
both
the
first
and
the
second
floor.
You
know,
so
there
are
certain
design
things
potentially
the
commission
could
consider,
but
in
terms
of
the
square
footage
they
need,
it.
E
D
E
E
C
I
I
still
don't
understand
how
safety
criteria
is
met
for,
if
you
have
a
next
to
adu
of
five
feet
away
a
pg
e
pole
for
a
distribution
of
wires.
I
have
seen
in
my
neighborhood
many
times.
Pigeon
is
truck
standing
when
a
big
storm
hits
and
the
wires
have
have
fallen
on
on
the
ground
and
nobody's.
So
this
is
not
something
happens
once
in
10
years
it
happens
every
year
or
maybe
every
second
year,
something
like
that,
and
if
adu
is
five
feet
away
from
that
pg.
How
is
that
not
safety
concern?
E
C
Second
thing
is
privacy-wise,
I
mean,
according
to
the
law,
there
is
no
restriction
on
the
big
windows
on
the
first
floor
right,
they
are
extending
over
the
fence.
I
saw
that
here
so
I
mean
it
is
only
for
the
second
level.
You
have
this
five
feet
criteria
over
the
floor.
On
the
first
floor,
those
those
are
the
the
maximum
fence
is
six
feet
or
something
which
is
otherwise.
You
have
to
take
a
permit
from
the
city
and
and
and
these
windows
are
much
so
there
are.
C
C
A
D
A
D
This
point:
I
believe
that
it
is
required
for
the
for
the
rear
and
the
the
applicant
has
proposed
some
trees
for
the
sides
for
the
sides.
I
I
like
to
defer
to
the
staff
whether
there's
there's
things
that
they
can
do
in
terms
of
a
design
to
to
mitigate
privacy
further,
but
they
have
complied
with
awareness
requirements.
F
J
F
Want
to
make
that
clear
that
is
not
up
for
debate
at
this
meeting
in
because
state
law
preempts
us
from
doing
anything
related
to
it
in
terms
of
privacy
protection.
If
you
know
the
commission
wishes
to
again,
these
windows
are
about
five
feet:
two
inch
in
sale
height.
You
know
that
that
is
the
clear
requirement
of
our
municipal
code.
If
the
commission
does
wish
to
have
those
windows,
be
you
know,
obscure,
glass
or
something
like
that.
F
Maybe
that
is
something
that
the
commission
could
consider,
but
again
they
do
meet
the
code
as
it
is
written
right
now.
You
know
if
the
applicant
doesn't
like
the
commission's.
You
know
additional
conditions.
Let's
say
they
do
still
have
continue
to
have
the
ability
to
appeal
the
the
planning
commission's
decision
tonight.
C
C
That
would
also
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
see
that
that
how
this
development
is
out
of
the
picture
out
of
proportions
compared
to
the
remaining
ones
yeah.
That's
just
one
one
other
comment,
because
that
information
is.
It
would
be
useful
for
people
to
review
and
see
that
that
what
we
are
talking
about
here.
A
J
F
You
can
again,
but
just
just
to
clarify,
if
I
may
share
sharp
you
can
look
at
architectural
details.
You
can
certainly
say
again,
you
know,
I'm
just
throwing
things
pulling
things
out
of
thin
air
right
now,
but
you
could
certainly
say
the
whole
house
has
to
be
made
of
siding.
You
know
that's
a
design
feature
that
doesn't
necessarily
reduce
the
density
of
the
the
the
the
proposed
project.
You
could
say:
oh
the
house
needs
to
be
painted
pink.
You
know,
there's
certain
things
that
you
could
say.
F
E
Okay,
so
just
to
call
out
the
degree
of
freedoms
we
have
that
we
don't
really
have
a
basis
for
denying
this
waiver
on
the
basis
of
ordinance
it's
compliant,
but
we
do
probably
have
flexibility
in
changing
certain
parameters
right
and
those
parameters
include
hide
the.
What
do
you
call
it?
The
facade
and
those
things.
E
D
So
it's
that's.
That's
that's
correct
commissioners.
I
say
that
it's
it's
certain
things
with
the
facade.
You
can
condition
your
approval
on,
but
in
terms
of
height,
I
want
to
caution
you
that
you
know.
Dense
density
is
construed
as
the
you
know.
The
square
footage
of
of
the
of
the
facility
and
of
the
development-
and
you
know
people
suggested
me
reducing
the
the
ceiling
height
down
six
inches
and
that
that
that
seems
you
know
to
to
not
interfere
with
the
living
space,
but
the
the
problem.
D
Reducing
density
is
then
you're
changing,
reducing
the
size
and
changing
the
density.
So
getting
back
to
to
chair
sharp's
point,
though
it's
we
start
with.
What
does
the
code
allow?
And
at
this
point
you
know
under
the
code
this
the
size
of
this
development
is
consistent
and
it
complies
with
code,
and
so
once
you
have
that
the
second
inquiry
is
this
is,
if
that
meets
the
objective
standards
and
under
state
law.
You
can't
you
can't
reject,
because
the
size
of
the
density,
yeah.
A
Right,
yeah,
no
one
is
suggesting
that,
but
I'm
reading
our
code
now
and
right,
the
project
is
consistent
with
the
cooperating
general
plan
applicable,
specific
plans,
ordinances,
blah
blah
blah
and
then
numbers
three
and
four
number.
Three.
The
proposed
project
is
harmonious
in
scale
and
design
with
the
general
neighborhood
and
number
four
adverse
visual
impacts
on
adjoining
properties
had
been
reasonably
mitigated.
E
Yeah,
I
think
it's
a
third
and
fourth
part
where
there's
an
element
of
subjectivity,
and
I
personally
would
be
very
comfortable
proposing
a
reduced
height,
because
10
feet
is
much
taller
than
most
older
homes.
Like
I
know,
the
home
I
live
in
is
just
under
eight
foot.
More
many
in
your
homes
are
up
to
nine
feet,
so
ten
feet
is
in
somewhere
stretching
it
and
it
is
sort
of
making
it
really
stand
out
above,
especially
that
because
it's
a
two-story
home.
So
that's
something
I
would.
I
would
be
very
supportive
of.
A
J
A
J
A
F
J
F
The
second
floor:
we
are
more
and
more
seeing
10
feet
heights,
but
you
know
typically,
we
do
see
nine
or
nine
foot
six
on
the
second
floor,
but
you
know
that's
what
we
see
and
I
did
want
to
add.
You
know
we.
We
have
approved
a
lot
of
permits
last
year
and
and
the
year
before
we
approved
34
in
2020
and
33
and
2021.
So
and
I
you
know,
if
we
haven't
seen
any
eight
foot.
A
D
E
E
D
C
F
E
C
Yeah,
I
mean
the
ultimately,
you
are
providing
that
as
a
privacy
criteria
right.
So
you
have
to
meet
that.
If,
if
it
is
part
of
the
thing,
then,
then
how
can
you
say
that
we
will
will
provide
six
and
eight
feet
tree
and
it
will
grow
in
two
years
to
something
like
you
know,
16
or
20
feet
or
whatever
right.
So
it
is
after
two
years
we
will
meet
your
goal
of
privacy.
C
C
E
E
I
think
the
new
motion
is
that
the
planning
commission
adopts
the
proposed
resolution
to
find
the
action
exempt
from
sql.
We
deny
the
appeal
and
uphold
the
director's
decision.
Approving
our
2021-56
require
the
applicant
to
reduce
the
height
of
the
plate
height
to
a
maximum
of
nine
feet
at
both
the
at
both
the
floor
for
both
the
floors.
C
F
E
E
C
C
J
A
C
A
E
F
C
E
F
Sense
there
are
a
couple
of
things
that
I
will
say
that
that
landscape
easement
is
about
five
feet
wide.
It's
not
a
landscape
event,
but
the
pg
easement
is
about
five
feet
wide.
You
know
planting
a
tree
over.
There
doesn't
necessarily
help
we
require
trees
to
be
about.
I
believe
it's
eight
feet
tall
when
planted
so
that
doesn't
necessarily
help,
but
we
could
certainly
require
that
the
shrubs
be
pla
that
be
planted
be
about
eight
feet
tall.
They
are
very,
very
hard
to
find,
even
at
eight
eight
feet
tall.
F
So
we
have
to
allow
some,
you
know
be
practical
about
what
what
gets
required
in
terms
of
planting
so
shrubs
do
grow
faster.
You
know,
if
you
want
a
faster
growing
shrub.
You
know
there
is
the
pittosporum
which
does
grow
faster.
It
becomes
like
a
nice
hedge
pretty
fast,
but
it's
it
is
not
practical
to
require
that
the
shrubs
be
planted
and
that
screening
be
immediate,
the
planning
department's
long
and
since
the
since
these
privacy
requirements
went
in,
which
was
in
1999.
F
The
the
requirement
has
been
that
the
expectation
is
that
within
three
years
they
will
probably
provide
a
partial
screening,
and
so
that
that
is
what
the
standard
has
been.
I
mean
I
would
be
loads
to
have
something
very
specific
for
this
one
particular
applicant.
When
you
know
we
have
34
and
58
others
that
we've
approved
without
this
particular
requirement
and
and
the
the
appellant
is
also
on
the
side,
not
necessarily
at
the
rear.
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
point
as
well.
A
F
I
wouldn't
say
a
small
number:
I
mean
a
lot
of
our
homes
that
we
see
are
in
the
rancho
neighborhood
as
well.
I
mean
again,
I
don't
have
the
statistics
to
rattle
that
off,
but
but
they
do,
we
do
see
a
lot
of
you
know
homes
being
replaced
in
rancho,
which
are
right
next
to
the
flat
top
homes.
You
know
800
square
foot
flat
top
homes
in
rancho.
J
L
A
F
F
F
A
N
F
A
A
C
Or
I
mean
the
up
to
the
the
owner
of
this
property
can
choose
to
replace
the
glasses
type
if
it
chooses
to
mitigate
it
in
a
different
way.
I
mean,
as
per
the
the
law
you
have
to
to
provide
the
shrubs,
but
if
the
shrub
is
not
providing
the
adequate
privacy,
which
is
the
intent
of
that
particular
law,
then
the
owner
can
replace
the
glasses
to
different
variety
and
and
mitigate
it.
A
A
A
To
require
the
applicant
to
reduce
the
plate,
height
of
the
principal
structure,
to
a
maximum
of
nine
feet
on
each
floor,
to
replace
the
rear
privacy
planting
shrubs
to
be
pitisporum,
tener
folium.
I
guess
I
got
not
sure
I
got
that
right
require
the
applicant,
provides
the
existing
natural
grade
for
all
height
measurements,
including
building
envelope
overall,
height,
etc.
A
H
A
A
O
A
C
What
is
the
the
procedure
for
making
this
ordinance
amendment?
Because
this
is
coming
fourth,
fifth
time
and
we
are
hearing
over
and
over
again
the
same
thing
from
various
different
parties
right,
so
somebody
has
to
take
a
a
step
forward
and
modify
that
ordinance
to
incorporate
some
of
these
issues,
which
are
there
right.
So
what
is
the
procedure
for
that?.
A
J
A
O
Good
evening,
chair
sharks
and
commissioners,
I
am
closing
all
the
other
items
on
my
screen,
so
I
can
load
the
quick
presentation
for
you
this.
Just
as
I'm
doing
that
I
can
let
you
know
that
this
housing
report
is
an
annual
report
and
it
was
submitted
to
hcd
the
california
state
department,
department
of
housing
and
community
development
on
march
7th
ahead
of
the
april
first
deadline.
It
went
to
city
council
on
march
15th
we're
here
before
you
this
evening,
and
it
will
also
go
to
housing
commission
on
april
14th
as
an
informational
item.
J
A
O
Very
much
so
as
I,
as
I
mentioned,
this
item
was
submitted
to
hcb
and
we
are
in
compliance
with
this
report
for
the
year
of
2021,
and
I
wanted
to
give
you
a
quick
overview
of
the
2021
general
plan.
Annual
housing
element
progress
report,
so
we
call
this
the
hcv
apr.
Everything
in
housing
is
a
lot
of
acronyms.
O
O
O
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
many
of
the
moderate
units
are
adus,
which
we
expect
to
continue
to
see
production
of
adus
towards
the
balance
of
67
units.
So
this
information
lives
on
the
city's
housing
documents
website
and
was
updated
to
to
be
in
sync,
with
this
report
that
I'm
reading
to
you
and
then
next
I'll
show
you
the
arena
generation
by
developers
for
2014-2021
for
purposes
of
the
annual
housing
element
report.
O
O
A
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
staff
for
the
good
presentation.
I
was
there
when
this
was,
I
think,
went
to
the
housing
commission
and
I
think
it's
going
to
city
council
again.
I
will
tell
you
right
now
that
I
am
appalled
at
the
hcd
mtc
abag.
I
have
never
seen
so
much
drama
in
the
last
20
years.
This
cycle
is
a
joke.
I
mean
our
staff
is
fantastic.
The
things
that
have
been
come
out
of
sacramento
to
abuse
the
people
of
these
cities.
I
I
have
requested
a
study
session
on
adus
in
danger
fire
areas
and
pg
e
utilities.
This
is
what
we
are
up
against
the
the
idiots
running.
This
state
have
no
idea
what
the
people
of
this
state
want
now.
Okay,
this
is
great.
We
have
to
have
a
report
and
do
our
little
tables
and
graphs
to
keep
up
with
whatever
faulty
role
that
hcd
wants.
Okay,
that's
great!
Okay,
that's
fine!
We
already
know
the
arena.
I
Numbers
are
a
complete
joke
for
this
cycle,
but
therefore
we
have
to
prance
to
the
music
from
whatever
ludicrous
group
is
running
and
it's
yimbi
is
running
hcd
right
now.
I
will
start
that,
but
if
the
public
is
having
to
ask
for
study
sessions
to
deal
with
danger
areas
like
adus
being
stuck
in
pg
e
clearances,
then
that
then
there
is
a
problem
in
sacramento.
I
But
yes
getting
back
to
this,
we
have
to
turn
our
numbers
and
graphs
and
charts,
as
david
letterman
used
to
call
it
on
the
tonight
show.
We
have
to
turn
them
in
to
sacramento
to
hcd.
Hcd
is
abusing
cities
they're
abusing
the
public
they're
being
run
by
yimbi.
So
yes,
I
we
have
to
turn
our
little
graphs
and
charts
in
and
that's
wonderful,
but
I
have
zero
confidence
in
the
way
this
state
is
run,
and
there
is
no
nothing
made
to
make
sure
that
the
public
is
safe.
I
We
have
transgressions
sb9
sb10
the
arena
numbers.
I
have
never
in
my
life,
seen
such
an
abuse
of
the
public
local
control
being
threatened
in
our
neighborhoods.
Why?
Okay,
so
racial
stuff?
Did
you
did
they
go
after
my
parents
a
generation
ago
yeah?
This
is
it's
all
out
war.
I
I
think
that
this
this
cycle
is
going
to
go
down
in
the
books
as
one
of
the
worst
cycles.
I
have
never
seen
anything
like
this
in
cupertino
in
20
years
and.
A
A
A
Right
agreement,
we
received
it.
Okay
and
I
would
point
out,
I
know
you
know
we
get
attacked
a
lot
in
cupertino,
but
we
have
entitled
far
more
units
in
our
arena
than
required.
We
have
not
denied
any
permits
that
were
legitimately
requested.
You
know
the
problem
we
always
have
and
we'll
continue
to
have.
A
A
A
A
A
A
We
were
mentioned
actually
in
the
report,
but
in
the
sb9
presentation,
and
it
was
a
little
funny
because
they
mentioned
woodside
and
the
their
effort
to
make
their
whole
city
exempt
from
sb9
due
to
mountain
lions.
But
then
they
mention
cupertino
in
our
ordinance
that
prevents
buildings
from
shading
neighboring
buildings
on
solar
installations,
and
you
know
being
there
from
cooper.
You
know
I
got
quite
a
bit
of
feedback
from
other
planning.
Commissioners
and
city
attorneys
there
that
hey.
That
was
a
really
good
idea.
You
know
we're
going
to
try
to
do
something
similar.
A
You
know
they're
coming
after
the
impact
fees,
because
that's
a
significant
expense
for
for
developers
to
pay
those
impact
fees
so
need
to
watch
out
for
that.
There's
some
moderately
bad
bills,
there's
one
that
would
allow
adus
to
be
30
feet.
Hot
sorry,
25
feet
high,
instead
of
the
same
height
as
the
the
main
building.
So
we
don't
know
if
that's
going
to
go
through
and
some
good
bills
like
a
reintroduction
of
jim
bell's
bill
that
would
provide
two
billion
dollars
a
year
for
affordable
housing
which
the
governor
vetoed
a
few
years
ago.
A
C
I
also
attended
the
planning
commission
academy
and
sb9
sd-35
and
sb
10
were
discussed
quite
a
bit
and
it
was
sb9,
especially
it
was
very
clear
in
terms
of
articulation
of
what
it
confirms
and
how
it
will
increase
the
housing
density.
But
I
heard,
as
you
said,
I
heard
the
comments
that
it
is
only
5.45
effective
in
terms
of
meeting
the
goals.
It's
not
very
effective
as
that.
That's
what
came
out
other
than
that
I
think
sequa
sessions
were
very
good.
C
They
were
sequa
and
advanced
equal
and,
although
it
was
very
specialized,
there's
a
sequa
has
to
be
approved
separately
and
the
project
can
be
approved
separately,
but
most
of
the
time.
I
recall
that
we
see
this
over
here
in
planning,
commission
sql
report
and
the
other
project
all
in
one
one
piece.
C
C
C
C
I
noted
that
everybody
is
aware
all
the
planning
commissioners
whom
server
I
network
there.
There
are
one
thing
they
are
aware
is
balco.
They
are
aware
of
all
the
things
related
to
volco
and
how
the
sequa
mitigation
can
be
done
there
and
what
not.
So
that
was
fairly
surprising
to
me,
but
that
was
a
fact.
A
Yeah
yeah
they
were
at
the
tables
I
was
sitting
at
falco
did
come
up.
I
think
because
it's
you
know
the
major
sp
35
project
and
everyone
is
wondering,
what's
happening
with
it
and
what's
happening
with
the
the
cleanup
of
the
site
and
yeah
just
told
them.
Well,
you
know
they're
trying
to
clean
it
up
and
we'll
see
what
you
know.
What
eventually
happens
there
and
yeah
that's
it.