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Coverage of the January 25, 2023 Special Cupertino City Council Meeting.
Regular Meeting segment. Part 2 of 3.
A
B
Yeah
councilmember
Moore,
oh
I'm,
sorry
I
thought
you
were
going
to
read
it
sure
I
was
just
adding,
preferably
the
chair
of
the
vice
chair,
but
I'm
happy
either
way.
A
Okay,
council,
member
Chow
I.
C
D
C
D
E
C
D
C
D
A
Thank
you
so
I
do
like
councilmember
Moore's
Edition,
preferably
the
chair
or
the
vice
chair,
so
I
like
to
incorporate
councilman
members
Edition
and
my
and
but
I'll
take
a
straw
vote
council
member.
B
A
So
I
vote
Yes
too,
so
we
have
a
fight
zero.
Thank
you
all
right
now
we're
gonna
move
to
4.4
appointment
of
commission
and
committee
applicants.
Okay
and
we
have
it-
says
multiple
council
members
suggest
to
not
eligible
to
serve
on
any
commission
and
council
member
Chao
has
a
comment
and
councilman
Moore
has
a
comment.
Can
we
have
council
member
Chao
putting
your
comment?
First.
C
Yeah
I
think
there
is,
we
should
remember
and
anyone
serving
as
a
commission,
they
have
to
sign
form
700
and
then
any
communication
they
have
on
an
item
will
be
subject
to
open
meeting
role
law,
the
brown
Act,
so
the
undue
inference
actually
I'm
more
concerned
of
from
the
past
four
years,
are
and
do
inference
by
former
Commissioners
and
City
Council
Members
communicating
with
City
staff,
since
they
are
not
subject
to
wrong
act
or
any
or
from
700.
C
B
Well,
I'm
I'm
interested
in
what
councilmember
Chow
was
just
adding
there.
So
I
would
like
to
know
about
the
the
communications
from
the
I
think
it's
getting
awfully
difficult
when
you're
talking
about
just
a
specific
council
members.
But
if
you
know
I
wonder
when
we
have
a
lot
of
developer
interaction
with
with
the
staff
we
see.
Some
projects
come
to
us
pretty
far
along,
and
it
seems
sometimes
that
decisions
have
been
made
before
they
get
to
the
Planning,
Commission
or
or
Council
a
lot
of
decisions.
B
So
I
am
curious
about
this
I'm,
not
really
sure
how
it
should
be
best
worded,
but
I
I
feel
that
this
one
item
seems
to
Target
an
individual
commissioner
and-
and
they
seem
to
have
been
named
during
the
public
comment
as
well,
which
is
which
is
troubling
so
I,
wouldn't
want
to
think
that
this
was
written
in
order
to
in
order
to
somehow
sanction
that
individual.
B
Best
were
this
companies
which
the
city
contracts
with
or
employees
of
subcontracted
companies,
so,
for
instance,
I
I,
wouldn't
want
to
see
somebody
who's,
a
subcontractor
of
a
company
that
we
have
doing
a
a
project
per,
perhaps
a
yeah.
So
there
you
know,
I
have
seen
that
and
then
I
would
I
would
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
being
revealed,
because
sometimes
it's
harder
to
find
and
if
a
person
doing
a
form
700
says
that
they
worked
for
this
company.
B
But
you
dig
into
the
you
dig
into
the
actual
contract
and
you
see
who
they
have
for
a
con
subcontractor.
Then
you
find
it
there
that
that
could
be
problematic
right.
Thank.
A
You
councilman
Memorial,
do
we
have
comments
from
the
other
council
members
or
the
City
attorney
had
wanted
to
come
in
on
council
member
Morris
concerns?
A
I
do
believe
we
have
rules,
that's
for
commission
and
commission
appointments
to
follow
and
do
we
have
any
comments
from.
D
D
You
know
the
city
contracts
with
you
know,
for
example,
Microsoft
you
know
to
to
to
to
to
to
to
for
to
obtain
Microsoft
software
and
so
I'm,
not
sure
that
that
the
intent
would
be
to
you
know,
prohibit
a
software
engineer
that
was
working
at
Microsoft
to
who
you
know
otherwise
is
qualified
to
serve
on
a
commission
to
be
a
City
Commissioner.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
the
correlation
council,
member,
no
manager,
Jensen
I,
like
to
say
multiple
council
members
recommended
to
not
eligible
to
serve
on
any
commission
I'm
one
of
them.
It
is
not
talking
on
any
specific
former
council
members
or
council
members,
because
we
are
all
included.
We
are
all
going
to
be
formal
council
members,
so
this
is
a
general
I
I
want
to
specify.
We
are
elected
officials
and
appointed
officials
are
still
officials,
they
are
officials,
they
do
have
to
form
the
phone
700.
I
want
to
share
one
one.
A
One
document
with
you:
the
undue
influence
to
me
is
real
because
it's
not
I'm
not
yet
maybe
I'm
not
really
concerned
about
staff
I'm
more
concerned
about
for
former
council
members
have
friends
who
are
current
council
members,
and
a
lot
of
things
can
be
done
so
I'm
going
to
share
one
document
with
you
that
I
am
very
concerned
about
this.
A
A
I
actually
have
to
say:
I
was
surprised,
then
planning
commissioner
Stephen
sharp,
who
was
a
former
mayor
and
former
council
member
and
also
a
candidate
for
city
council.
Was
there
and
I've
asked
many
many
councils
around
us?
This
conference
is
for
am
I,
am
I
doing
right
to
show
this
conference
is
for
city,
council
members
and
also
actually
city
manager,
as
never
meant
for
City
Planning
Commission.
They
have
their
own
City,
Council,
and
so
I
asked
city
manager
who
paid
for
this.
A
This
is
what
undue
conflict
and
do
influence
I'm
influenced
to
I'm,
not
blaming
anything
I'm.
Just
saying
as
a
city
council
member
when
I
retire,
I
should
not
be
on
any
commission
right
away,
because
I
will
probably
have
known
the
C
attorney
for
or
city
manager
for
a
long
time
and
I
have
colleagues
on
the
on
the
console.
So
it's
very
easy
to
influence
decisions,
and
as
a
retired,
former
city,
council,
member
or
CD
man
mayor
there
are
so
many
things
we
can
do
in
the
community.
To
still
contribute
our
expertise.
A
We
can
join
non-profit.
We
can
make
public
comments.
We
can
do
a
lot
of
things,
but
to
be
on
a
appointed.
Commission
is
a
bit
out
of
order
to
me
because,
as
a
city
council
member
after
eight
years,
you're
not
supposed
to
run
you're
going
to
read
for
four
years,
then
if
you
want
to
run
again,
you
can
run
again
to
me.
That's
a
very
good
rule.
I
I
understand
this.
A
In
my
personal
view,
so
I'm
going
to
open
up
to
everybody's
comment,
but
to
me
this
is
undo
influence
from
someone
who
knows
the
current
council
members
well
and
to
me
this
is
not
a
good
way
to
spend
public
fund
and
I
was
surprised
that
that's
happened.
That
doesn't
mean
I
propose
this.
Actually
this
was
not
proposed
by
me.
You
know,
see
attorney
Jensen.
Does
it
when
I
look
at
it.
A
B
Okay,
thank
you.
So
that
does
go
back
to
my
sense
that
a
individual
planning,
commissioner,
is
was
being
singled
out
and
and
I
think
that
that's
important
to
point
that
out
so
also
our
our
city
manager
was
appointed
in
Late
July
and
the
decisions
about
what
trips
are
paid
for
or
not
paid
for
are
are
made
under
the
city
manager's
office.
So
if
that
trip
was
given
to
the
the
Planning
Commission
the
planning
commissioner
to
to
go,
then
that
was
a
decision
that
was
made
by
the
city
manager.
B
So
I
think
you
should
bring
up,
bring
your
question
up,
and
perhaps
you
I
hope
that
you
did
bring
that
question
up
to
the
city
manager
and
it
also
brings
up
another
item
which
is
travel
policy
which
I
didn't
see
in
in
this
procedural
manual.
Because
I've
had
this
question
myself,
I
want
to
go
to
the
NLC
conference
in
in
DC
coming
up
and
there's
some
question
for
about
whether
or
not
I
would
be
able
to
do
that.
B
If
the
city
would
pay
for
it
or
not,
and
it's
unclear
to
me
how
much
money
has
been
allocated
for
travel.
How
many
conferences
are
we
allowed
to
to
go
to,
and
you
know,
moving
on,
I
have
questions
about
other
reimbursements,
I
purchase
a
great
number
of
of
books,
I'm
a
fan
of
Solano
press
they've
got
you
know,
you
know
pitch
for
them.
They've
got
all
these
governmental
books
and
and
that
I've
been
buying
them
with
my
own
money.
B
B
Well,
I
think
you
moved
to
the
subject
on
to
having
almost
into
singling
out
a
planning,
commissioner
and
I
really
think
the
issue
there
is
that
your
your
manager
made
a
decision
that
that
trip
would
be
paid
for
so
take
up
your
issue
with
the
manager.
B
You
can
bring
it
up
to
the
whole
Council
and
talk
about
travel
policy,
but
I,
don't
think
it's
appropriate
for
us
to
be
singling
out
a
planning
commissioner
and
say:
oh
well,
you
can't
serve
a
consecutive
term,
because
the
city
manager
decided
that
you
could
go
to
a
conference
down
in
Long
Beach
I.
Don't
think
that
that's
appropriate.
A
Right,
thank
you
very
much
council
member
Moore,
so
I
I
just
want
to
repeat
what
I
said.
I
did
say
the
relationship
with
the
city
manager
too,
and
the
seat
attorney
after
you
know
four
or
eight
years
there
is
a
personal
influence
and
a
appointed
officials
are
officials
and
they
have
the
same
privilege,
sometimes
as
the
elected
official
I'm
going
to
rest
my
case
and
go
back
to
council
member
ciao.
C
Okay,
so
I
want
to
clarify
first
I,
think
City
attorney
mentioned
that
he
reviewed
the
council
procedures
in
like
seven
or
eight
other
cities,
and
only
one
other
city
council
has
similar
policy,
which
is
the
Los
Altos
city
council,
and
that's
one
of
the
city
council
that
all
tend
to
have
political
advice
between
council
members.
So
that's
your
information
and
my
question
about
this
modification.
C
That's
proposed
is:
if
it's
not
proposed,
if
it's
not
modified,
it
doesn't
apply
to
the
planning
commissioner
Stephen
Schoff,
but
if
it's
modified
it
would
apply
immediately
to
him
right.
D
D
D
No,
this
is
that
that
the
the
only
grounds
that
I'm
aware
of
in
the
commissioner's
handbook
for
for
the
city
clerk
terminating
a
commissioner
without
Council
action
is
is,
is
attendance.
Okay,.
C
C
Has
I
think
we
want
to
work
well
with
the
city
staff,
but
a
lot
of
times
unbearably
council
member
might
mention
something
to
a
city
staff.
What
do
we
need
is
a
council
City
staff.
The
city
manager
should
communicate
sensitive
staff.
C
If
anyone
make
a
recommendation,
that's
not
a
direction
and
therefore
they
should
convey
that
message
or
suggestion
to
the
city
manager
or
their
supervisor,
rather
than
being
influenced,
whether
one
person
is
being
influenced
or
not
is
then
or
or
the
the
council,
the
the
product
of
the
the
code
of
conduct
of
City
staff,
so
I
wonder
what
kind
of
training
City
staff
has
in
terms
of
how
to
deal.
C
A
To
we
can
talk
about
that.
Another
agenda
item
can.
A
The
what
we're
deciding
right
now,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
items
to
go
to.
A
B
So
I
want
to
point
out
that
this,
the
the
suggestion
to
add
the
word
service
on
has
the
effect
of
punishing
punishing
a
planning
commissioner
for
having
been
allowed
to
attend
a
conference
and
I
wanted
to
understood
that
these
conferences
have
multiple
tracks.
When
you're
there
they're
educational-
and
you
know
that's-
that's
why
we
go
so
this.
This
individual
planning,
commissioner,
is
being
targeted
and
punished
with
removal
from
the
Planning
Commission.
B
By
that
suggestion-
and
this
is
the
first
I
have
to
say-
this-
is
the
first
time
this
has
been
brought
up
to
this
Council
by
by
the
mayor
and
I.
Think
that
this
is
the
timing
is
odd,
because
this
travel
happened,
I
believe
in
in
September,
and
it
was
authorized
travel
authorized
by
the
city
manager.
B
So
again,
I
think
if,
if
the
mayor
has
a
problem
with
that
decision,
that
a
discussion
about
travel
policy
should
be
put
in
place,
a
discussion
with
the
city
manager
about
the
allocation
of
these
trips
should
should
happen,
but
we're
we're
punishing
them
without
and
we're
not
even
allowing
him
to
speak
and
I.
Think
that's
quite
unfair.
Okay,.
A
E
A
Any
council
members
in
as
or
Commissioners
and
as
City
attorney
Jensen
said,
a
removal
of
the
commission
still
needs
to
be
a
process.
C
C
We
need
to
empower
the
city
staff
to
give
them
a
tool
to
report
and
do
inference
by
former
council
member
Commissioners
so
that
they
can
then
use.
They
say
I
need
to
report
that
and
therefore,
then
that
could
be
a
way
to
curb
any
future.
Undue
inferences,
so
I
would
like
to
add
City
staff
on
the
one
that's
proposed
here.
C
City
staff
should
report
Communications
from
former
council
members
and
former
Commissioners
on
issues
related
to
City
business
through
phone
calls
or
in-person
Communications
I
did
not
include
email,
because
that's
already
part
of
the
public
record
on
hugely
searchable,
but
it
could
be
just
through
any
communication
means
I.
Think
this
really
empowers
the
city
staff
to
make
this
transparent.
A
G
I'm
I'm,
okay
with
the
original
language,
but
I'm,
also
if
to
move
the
process
along.
If
we
want
to
say
that
City
staff
should
report
Communications
relating
to
City
business,
etc,
etc.
Through
phone
calls.
So
in
person,
I'm
I'm,
okay
with
that
as
well,
because
it
does
make
things
a
little
more
clear
city.
A
Manager
can
you
teaching
this
because
it
posed
a
lot
to
me.
It
put
a
lot
of
undue
work
on
City
staff.
You
know
well,
how
do
they
know?
Who
is
as
former
city
council
back
20
years
later
or
a
commissioner?
We
have
multiple
Commissioners,
so
I
I
do
think.
Implementation
could
be
a
little
challenging
for
staff.
H
Thank
you
mayor
way,
so
this
is
happening
already
without
being
Spilled,
Out
and
I
hope.
City
staff
feels
comfortable
coming
to
me
as
the
leader
for
the
organization.
If
such
occurrence
happened,
I
was
not
in
this
position.
When
this
conference
took
place,
I
don't
know
if
staff
was
putting
in
an
awkward
position
to
approve
their
registration.
I
wish
I
do
so,
but
if
council
member
Chow
feels
strongly
about
putting
this
commitment
in
writing,
I
would
support
you,
but
this
is
happening
already
in
the
organization
and
as
Chris
and
I
oftentimes
say
to
staff.
H
C
A
So
add
current
to
it:
okay!
So
now
I
really
want
to
scroll
vote
on
this.
How
to
proceed?
Okay,
to
give.
B
If
we
say
any
current
commissioner
committee
come
on
we're
serving
on
all
sorts
of
regional
commissions
and
committees
out
there:
okay,
if
we're
not
eligible
for
service
on
them,
we
need
to
all
resign
from
all
of
these
appointments.
We've
just
received
and
out
there
so
I,
don't
think
that
works.
C
Okay,
I'm,
okay,
with
not
mentioning
correct.
A
C
C
I
would
like
to
add
the
the
one
that
I
had
there,
which
city
manager
mentioned
that
it's
already
been
implemented.
City
staff
should
report
Communications
from
formal
commissioner,
former
council
member
and
former
Commissioners
on
issues
related
to
City
business
through
phone
calls
or
in-person
Communications.
A
H
If
I
can
ask
for
foreign
qualification,
so
reporting
out
is
to
me
reporting
out
is
not
to
counsel.
For
instance,
many
council
members
in
the
past
could
be
a
foreign
face
to
the
newly
recruited
employee
and,
as
mayor
wait
mentioned,
I
don't
want
that
to
be
a
confusion
going
with
Council
Howard
City
staff,
not
know
a
council
member
from
20
years
ago.
So,
but
if
State
staff
has
any
issue
with
anybody,
they
will
come
to
me
in
it.
D
A
D
I'm,
sorry
that
wasn't
clear
the
the
second
suggestion
from
council
member
Chow
was
was
was
I
was
not
sure
that,
because
that
really
dealing
with
staff
reporting
to
the
city
manager,
I'm
not
sure
that
that
was
agendized
today,
okay,.
A
A
So
we
have
a
struggled
I'm.
Okay
with
the
current
language
and
fun
is
a
quote:
okay
with
the
current
language
and
council
member
Moore,
councilman
Michelle
wants
her
language
and
are
we
going
to
I.
B
Okay,
well,
since
since
it
was
brought
up,
I
would
like
there
to
be.
If
I
can
ask
a
memo
to
explain
the
planning
Commissioners
how
it
came
to
pass
that
that
planning
commissioner
attended
the
conference
who,
who
made
the
decision
I
think
the
the
council
mate
might
benefit
from
that
and
hopefully
down
the
road.
We
establish
a
travel
policy
which
is
not
in
this
procedural.
A
Revision.
Okay,
so
we
have
three
votes:
support
original
language.
So
that's
what
go
from
there
and
4.5.
A
D
It
yeah
just
that
that
was
that's
just
simply
a
a
typographic
error
that
this
staff
is
recommending
that
be
corrected.
C
Yeah
I
think
the
it's
very
hard
for
someone
to
take
their
time
to
attend
meetings
and
some
commissions.
They
have
like
four
meetings
a
year
and
missing
one
and
sometimes
would
be
already
a
penalty
for
this
25
and
they
might
have
tried
really
hard
to
attend,
but
then,
due
to
whatever
reason,
maybe
sickness,
Maybe
emergency
and
then
they
will
be
removed
from
a
four-year
term
of
their
service.
I
thought,
probably.
We
should
have
this
reported
to
the
council
and
then
make
a
decision
rather
than
automatic
removal
by
the
City
Club.
That
seems
inhumane.
G
A
Okay,
so
I
do
have
a
comment:
we
appoint
Commissioners
and
they
understand
their
obligations
to
miss
a
lot
of
meetings.
It
doesn't
do
any
benefit
to
the
city
or
to
that
commission.
So
I
do
believe
that
when
they
apply
just
like
any
council
members,
we
commit
to
what
we
commit
to
and
to
help
the
city
and
provide
input.
So
I
would
think
the
city
clerk
would
have
the
authority
to
do
it,
but
I
do
remember
they
can
come
and
petition
to
the
city,
council
and
I.
A
We
have
received
a
few
of
them,
so
I
think
the
procedure
is
there
and
I
would
recommend
so
I'll
take
a
struggle,
but
so
that's
so
I
really
want
to
keep
this
short.
This
is
a
pretty
easy
item
too.
It's.
D
A
E
F
The
the
City
attorney,
if
I
might
in
the
language
immediately
after
find
it
here,
the
commissioner's
handbook,
since
it
references
only
attendance
policies,
would
we
be
able
to
add
or
other
eligibility
requirements,
because
those
are
purely
ministerial
anyway,
things
like
residency
requirements
and
so
forth.
D
D
That
we
have
done
that.
So
my
understanding
of
the
process
is
that
that
that
you
know
a
request.
The
request
is
made
to
council,
council
members
and
Council
council
members
can
elect
whether
to
put
the
appeal
on
the
agenda.
C
H
Yes,
my
most
recent
recollection
and
city
code
can
correct
me
is
when
the
commissioner
receives
a
notice
from
the
city
clerks
about
their
absence
and
their
termination.
They
will
appeal
through
the
clerk's
office
and
clerk's
office,
will
notify
me
and
in
conjunction
consultation
with
mayor,
to
see
when
we
can
put
it
on
the
next
Council
agenda
for
Council
to
consider
their
appeal.
Also.
H
I
Mayor
so
yes,
I
may
clarify
so
that
the
resolution
states
that,
as
well
as
the
attendance
policy
in
the
handbook
that
the
any
commissioner
that's
terminated
because
of
the
attendance
policy
May
request
a
waiver
from
Council
of
that
termination.
By
sending
a
letter
to
the
city
council
members
a.
I
C
B
You
thank
you.
I
have
trouble
with
the
word
performance
and
Committee
Member
performance.
It's
not
really
pointing
to
the
requirements
of
the
the
handbooks
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
that,
and
so
the
way
I
would
remedy.
That
is
to
make
sure
that
this
is
not
retroactive,
but
to
also
add
something
some
language
saying
that
it's
performance
identified
in
the
the
handbook.
So
what
I
don't
want
to
see
is
well,
we
didn't
the
the
the
certain
members
of
this.
B
This
Council
didn't
did
not
find
a
way
to
remove
a
planning,
commissioner,
so
now
we're
going
to
bring
it
up
on
a
performance
issue
and
it's
not
retro
it.
It
is
not
retroactive,
so
we
can
bring
up
something
that
happened
last
year
or
five
years
ago
or
whenever
and
remove
that
individual.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
not
what
we're
doing
here.
A
Thank
you
so
strovel,
please.
A
C
Still
would
prefer
if
it's
clear
how
to
appeal
a
diet
I'm
just
about
one
vote.
B
Okay,
I
will
agree
with
the
edits
which
are
in
the
which
the
staff
provided
and
I
want
to.
I
want
to
reiterate
that
I
would
prefer
this
not
be
able
to
when
once
this
is
applied.
If
we
do
agree
with
this
procedural
manual
that
it's
that
it's
effective
as
of
the
date
of
the
resolution
moving
forward
and
that
we
are
not
Looking
Backward
with
it.
A
A
B
So
here
there
this
was
actually
a
recommendation
that
we
heard
in
the
in
the
last
meeting,
so
I
added
it
on
so
that
we
could
have
it
for
discussion
and
it's
it's
saying.
Individual
council
members
and
Commissioners
shall
have
the
right
to
attend
meetings
of
Commissioners
and
others
Cupertino
governmental
bodies,
but
shall
refrain
from
speaking
now.
B
At
the
last
meeting
we
had
a
a
commissioner
to
come
and
speak
to
us
and
I'm,
not
sure
how
this
this
sentence
would
apply
to
that
commission
that
commissioner,
it
seems
as
though
they're
saying
that
they
would
they
could
come
to
this
meeting,
but
we're
because
we're
a
Cupertino
governmental
body
they
wouldn't
be
allowed
to
speak.
It
seems
like
it
would
work
both
ways
right.
D
And
that-
and
that
was
not
the
intent,
which
is
why
the
they
that
edit
is
reflected
in
the
staff
recommendation
that
was
broader
than
was
intended,
because
obviously
we
want
Commissioners
to
be
able
to
come
to
council
to
be
able
to
speak.
Okay.
B
But
through
the
through
the
mayor,
you're
using
the
word
commissions,
so
there
are
commissions
outside
of
the
city.
This
is
a
broad
term
and
you're,
also
not
using
the
word
committee
here
either.
So,
for
instance,
we
have
various
committees
as
well
and
that's
not
being
referenced
here
and
in
in
some
instances
like
I
mentioned
audit
earlier,
you
have
two
council
members
already
there.
If
you
bring
a
third
council
member,
you've
made
a
quorum
of
the
Council
right.
D
Well
for
the
for
the
council
committees,
because
council
is
represented,
I,
don't
think,
there's
necessarily
the
same
concern
with
with
you
know
undue
influence.
So
you
know
in
that
situation,
council
members
would
continue
to
be
able
to
attend
subject
to
the
brown
act
limitations
which
you
know
means
they
couldn't
participate
in
deliberations
and,
and
you
know
commissions
is
it.
This
I
mean
ever
this.
D
This
document
is
limited
to
City
of
Cupertino
bodies,
and
that
is
what
commissions
certainly
means
in
that
context,
and
you
know
again,
the
inclusion
of
of
Commissioners
was
not
the
intent,
and
so
that's
been
that's
recommended
that
that's
be
removed
from
the
staff
recommendation.
B
Through
the
mayor,
could
we
have
definitions
added
to
this,
to
to
clarify
the
use
of
the
term
commission
and
committee
to
mean
Cupertino
City
commissions
in
committee,
so
that
there
is
Clarity
there?
I
would
appreciate
it.
A
So
you
recommending
adding
Cupertino
council
members
to
it
because
the
commission's
notice
are
being
deleted
have
been
deleted
recommended
by
the
staff.
So
we
are
looking
at
a
Cupertino
Council
manual,
so.
C
A
Already
so,
let's
can
you
repeat
where
you
want
to
add
Cupertino.
B
Okay,
thank
you
so,
under
on
4.6
second
line
from
the
bottom,
it
says
shall
have
the
right
to
attend
meetings
of
commissions
and
other
Cupertino
governmental
bodies.
But
we
wanted
to
say,
meetings
of
here
say
Cupertino
commissions,
but
I
I
think
actually
there's
probably
a
simpler
way
that
that
staff
can
make
an
edit
so
that
every
time
that
we
see
the
word
commissions
that
we
understand
that
to
mean
Cupertino
commission,
so
that
we're
not
limiting
our
rights
to
all
these
other
commissions
and
committees
that
we're
serving
on.
A
Council,
member
senior
attorney
Jensen:
do
you
have
any
comments
on
that?
Do
we
have
any
issues
adding
Cupertino
commissions
to
it,
or
is
it
necessary.
A
Such
so,
let's
take
a
straw
vote.
A
I'm
I'm
going
to
start
say:
I
re
staff,
accommodation
plus
council,
member
Morris
addition
to
at
Cupertino
in
front
of
commissions.
That
is
my
stroll
out.
B
No
thank
you
I'm.
Just
looking
at
the
word,
the
the
publicly
criticized
commission
recommendations
if
we
are
already
limited
so
that
we
can't
speak
or
or
be
involved
in
deliberations
you
you
there's,
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
certainly
not
publicly
criticize
a
commission
recommendation
or
is
that
when
the
recommendation
comes
to
council
I'm,
not
really
sure
what
you
meant
there
and
then
it
circles
back
at
the
end
which
I'm
getting
a
little
bit
lost
with
this.
B
So
council
members
should
not
attempt
to
influence
or
publicly
criticize
commission
recommendations
or
to
influence
the
commission
members
and
then
later
on,
you're
saying
they
shall
refrain
from
speaking
if
they,
if
they
attend
okay,
so
I
I,
guess
I'll
St
I
just
add
the
word
Cupertino
for
commission
and
commissions
of
the
second
line
from
the
bottom
and
and
leave
it
at
that.
A
And
do
you
agree
with
the
staff
recommendation
to
the
lead
Commissioners
from
the
last
sentence?
Yes,
okay,
thank
you
and
council
member
phone
and
council
member
Chow.
C
Yeah
I
agree
with
his
death
recommendation
and
the
clarification
for
that.
This
is
limited
to
Cupertino
government
bodies.
But
then
I
have
concern
about
the
publicly
criticized
in
commission
recommendation
part
because
that's
infringement
of
the
council's
freedom
of
speech
right.
Okay,
so
but
I
know
that
I
don't
have
the
vote
and
also
I
have
a
and
addition,
that's
not
exactly
under
this
item,
but
so.
C
C
A
Commission,
okay,
so
I'm
sorry
I'm
going
to
cut
you
off
a
little
bit
because
we're
evaluation
to.
A
A
So
you
you
do
not
vote
for
it,
so
I
like
to
move
forward,
because
we
really
have
a
lot
to
cover.
Okay.
H
A
B
Thank
you
mayor
way,
so
I
brought
this
up
at
the
last
meeting.
I
had
heard
about
a
council
member
who
had
missed
13
meetings,
but
there
wasn't
any
policy
about
that
and
I
think
that's
a
significant
right.
It's
a
significant
number
to
miss.
So
I
was
thinking.
We
we
have
terrific
council
members.
We
show
up
at
pretty
much
every
single
meeting,
we're
doing
great,
so
I
put
the
number
three.
D
B
A
Is
okay,
thank
you
councilmember
Moore.
Can
we
take
us,
so
is
it
305.
A
A
C
B
It
says
lawful
meetings,
that's
a
good
point
so
through
them
through
the
mayor,
because
we
did
have
the
trainings
that
council
member
Chow
had
to
could
absolutely
not
attend
and
I
think
that
would
be
unfair
for
her
to
be
penalized
because
she
had.
There
was
no
way
that
she
could
attend
because
of
her
work
and.
A
Okay,
so
City
attorney
Jensen.
Can
you
clarify
lawful
meetings.
D
So
I
just
I
think
this
is
up
to
council
as
to
how
you
know
how
they
want
to
structure
the
reporting
requirements.
If,
if
council
member
Moore
is
open
to
to
to
to
language,
that
would
make
the
report
required
if
there
are
five
or
more
regular
meetings
are
missed.
You
know
that
that
could
address
the
concern
that
council
member
Chow
is
Raising
and.
A
I
have
a
question:
if
a
council
member
remotely
attended
the
meeting
as
specified
by
the
government
law,
is
that
considering
missing
a
meeting
or
not
no.
D
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
I
also
customer
is
okay.
With
that,
your
recommendation,
oh
councilmember,.
A
Yes,
yes,
that's
what
is
being
proposed
and
council
member
from
you
want
to
say
it
again
that
you.
E
A
B
B
I'm
I
would
just
want
to
understand
if
that
has
any
connection
with
this
particular
item
with
regards
to
correspondence,
because
the
municipal
code
is
talking
about
written
Communications
and
it's
yeah
I'm
concerned,
because
this
might
actually
be
covering
this
item
so
2.08.100
written,
Communications,
B,
written
Communications
addressed
to
the
city
council.
Let's
see
not
that
one
written
Communications
transmitted
to
a
majority
I
think
this
one
is
just
going
based
on
written
Communications
to
the
council,
not
that
which
is
being
sent
out.
Okay,
so
I
think
we're
all
right
with
that.
B
I
just
want
to
do
a
last
minute
check
that
we
didn't
have
any
overlap.
So
the
point
of
mind
is
that
if
we
have
a
member
of
the
council
who
who
are
who
are
sending
out
communication
on
City
letterhead,
that
all
the
council
members
would
would
be
have
that
provided
for
them.
I
can't
think
of
an
instance
where
you
would
have
a
council
member
sending
something
out
on
on
the
official
letterhead
without
it
going
through
the
mayor.
But
if
that
were
possible,
I
think
we
would
all
want
to
know
about
it.
F
I
think
the
one
instance
where
that
might
come
up
would
be
you
know.
A
number
of
us
in
the
past
have
had
interns,
and
if
you
wanted
to
write
a
letter
of
recommendation
for
them,
I
think
it
would
be
perfectly
acceptable
for
that
letter
to
go
out
on
City
stationary
with
just
your
signature
and
not
need
to
go
to
before
the
city
council.
D
B
I'm
concerned
about
that,
so
we
are
allowed
to
use
City
stationary
to
write
a
letter
of
recommendation
and
then
put
our
official
title
on.
The
bottom
is
that
is
that
actually
allowed?
Because
that's
I
didn't
I,
wasn't
not.
H
Aware
city
manager,
I
believe
that
is
addressed
in
the
ceremonial
matter
policy.
That's
also
a
part
of
the
exhibit
to
the
council
procedure,
so
correspondences
usually
are
emails
or
just
a
regular
letterhead.
It
has
a
city
council
letterhead
that
does
not
have
the
individual
Council
member's
letterhead,
but
the
mayor
does
have
an
individual
letterhead.
B
So
we'll
be
going
through
the
that
attachment
tonight
at
some
point:
okay,.
A
Okay,
so
let's
take
stravo,
do
we
want
to
add
council
member
Moore's
recommendation
to
this
section?
5.2
I
I
still
have
one
question:
if,
if
it's
an
email
out
without
a
letterhead,
that's
not
included
in
this
right.
So
it's
it's.
When
we
use
a
letterhead
of
the
city.
A
Formal
correspondence,
correct
yes,
for
example,
I
do
write,
recommendation
letters
for
not
just
interns,
but
people
who
ask
me,
but
I
don't
use
letterhead,
it's
just
me
going
out,
so
it
should
be
okay
right.
Okay,
just
want
to
clear
okay.
So
actually,
this
is
for
our
individual
council
members
to
say
it
it
do.
We
want
to
do
this,
for
any
member
of
the
council
should
provide
to
all
members.
Is
the
original
draft
doesn't
address
that
I
thought
it
did
address
that.
A
Okay,
so
so,
okay,
so
let's.
E
C
C
Then
so
I
am
assuming.
That
means
normally,
when
it's
not
urging
such
correspondence
will
come
to
the
council
for
approval
I'm
reading
between
the
line.
This
is
again
we
are
making
talking
about
exception
without
meaning
mentioning
the
rule
and
then
in
case
this
happens.
Well,
this
correspondence
be
put
on
the
next
Council
agenda
to
be
ratified.
D
So
generally,
not
because
I
mean
if
the
correspondence
is
sent
it's
pretty
difficult
to
unscend
it.
The
rule
is
the
first
sentence
of
section
5.2
performance
proposed
correspondence
from
the
mayor.
Other
council
members
on
City
stationary
should
generally
be
reviewed
by
the
council
and
draft
form
prior
to
release.
The
exceptions
are,
are
you
know,
roughly
speaking,
urgent
requests
that
are
generally
consistent
with
City
policy
and
routine
correspondence?
Oh
so
so
that's
that's
kind.
D
C
D
Not
necessarily,
although
some
of
the
correspondence
is
published
on
the
website
and
and
you
know,
if
it's
noteworthy,
our
our
Communications
officer
will.
C
D
That
there's
the
public
has
access
to
public
records
and
you
know
again,
if
it's
noteworthy,
we
it's
often
something
that's
publicized.
So.
A
B
Yes,
I
do
want
to
add
it,
but
I
do
want
to
point
out
that,
because
it's
discretionary,
if
a
letter
is,
is
provided
to
the
public
that
you
kind
of
get
into
the
tree
fell
in
the
forest
who
you
know.
How
do
you
know
to
make
that
public
records
request
about
that?
B
So
I
want
to
be
sure
that
that
that
official
correspondence
beyond
what
it
I'm
concerned
about
what's
happening
with
the
legislative
Review
Committee,
because
all
those
letters
were
put
on
that
website
and
we
went
through
a
lot
of
effort
to
make
sure
that
everything
was
transparent.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
public
will
have
access
to
to
this
and
know
what
their
city
is
sending
out.
It
seems
like
a
good
and
transparent
thing
to
do.
Thank.
A
You
and
so
astravo,
please
they.
C
Propose
something
for
us
draw
vote
and
I
would
like
the
the
staff
recommendation
with
the
addition
that,
on
the
that
urgent
correspondence
sent
be
put
on
the
next
city
council
agenda,
underground
Center
for
information,
because
I
don't
think
we
should
be
expecting
the
public
to
make
public
records
requests
all
the
time.
This
is
the
official
correspondence,
let's
just
make
it
that
available.
Thank
you.
F
I
I
prefer
council
member
Charles
Edition
over
the
one
that
council
member
Moore
suggests.
A
May
I
have
the
City
core,
do
you
have
you
follow
through
council
member
Morris,
councilmember,
Charles
Edition
to.
A
The
agenda
I
I,
so
city
manager,
will.
A
Agenda,
so
is
it
okay,
councilmember
city
manager,.
H
I,
rather
not
to
crowd
the
city
council
agenda
with
that
request,
if
I
can
ask,
this
is
if
this
is
something
I
could
work
it
out
with
the
mayor
to
determine
the
urgentness.
If
staff
can
turn
it
around
and
having
a
quick
consultation
with
mayor-
and
we
can
have
this
done-
this
will
save
a
lot
of
time
on
putting
in
on
Council
agenda.
C
H
B
The
the
if
the
Public's
interested
call
us
issue
goes
back
to
the
tree
falling
in
the
forest.
How
do
you
know
that
this
happened?
The
public
doesn't
know
that
a
letter
was
sent.
So
how
does
we
need
to
have
a
mechanism
so
that
that.
A
A
Any
ammo
comments
from
the
council
members-
if
not
I,
would
like
to
make
a
comment.
We
do
a
lot
of
work
in
the
city
a
lot
and
if
we
want
to
put
everything
on
the
C
agenda,
it's
that's
a
lot
of
work.
So
we're
talking
about
about
letters
of
it
could
be
a
congratulatory
letters.
It
could
be.
You
know,
legislative
letters.
A
I
know,
legislators
is
on
our
website,
so
I
I'm,
all
for
providing
a
lot
of
information
to
the
public
through
different
portals
website
correspondence
newsletters,
but
to
put
anything
on
the
agenda,
that's
actual
work
for
the
staff
and
also
it
to
be
poured
and
discussed
and,
and
so
I
would
concur
with
city
manager-
us
consideration
to
make
it
a
little
more
flexible,
not
to
make
everything
on
our
agenda.
That
would
be
my
preference.
A
So
now
so
we
have
three
actually
I'm,
sorry
5.2.
We
actually
have
three
comments
or
two
comments:
one
from
council
member
more
and
one
for
council
member
ciao,
one
as
he
is
so
I
like
to
make
a
straw
poll.
Please
anybody
want
to
go
first.
E
A
C
C
I
I,
like
the
Urgent
correspondence,
especially
anything,
that's
the
poor
League
of
City
position.
This
must
be
something
of
public
interest.
It
should
be
on
the
put
on
the
next
regular
meeting,
likely
unconsent,
which
does
not
take
much
time.
Tell.
A
Okay,
so
we
have
three
to
move
forward
and
just
a
I
just
want
to
make
one
comment:
this
doesn't
mean
we
don't
have.
We
cannot
come
back
and
have
do
a
little
bit
more
research.
So,
let's
move
forward
5.3.
We
have
one
comment
from
councilman:
Memorial,
councilman
Memorial.
You
have
the
floor.
B
Okay,
so
my
comment
was
that
we
would
add
that
the
council
representatives
to
the
various
boards
will
keep
the
council
informed
of
ongoing
business
through
brief
oral
and
written
reports
of
the
council
and
also
add
the
following
that
the
council
representative
shall
provide
a
written
report
to
council
consistent
with
Section,
3.3
and
I
think
going
back
to
3.3
if
I
recall
correctly,
there
it
was
struck
to
have
the
written
report.
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct,
okay,.
D
B
Edit,
no
longer
is
it's
a
moot.
A
Point:
okay,
so
if
there's
no
further
discussion,
I
would
like
to
get
a
straw
poll.
Please
anybody
want
to
start.
I'll
start
I
support
the
language,
all
right,
council,
member
Vice,
support
original
language,
and
next.
A
Council
member
Moore,
because
you
already
said
the
written
was
not.
B
It's
a
moot
point:
are
you
okay
with
it?
No
I'm,
not
okay
with
it.
Okay
I
would
like
to
have
the
written
report.
A
C
A
A
It's
the
same
as
the
the
one:
that's
for
committees
and
subcommunities
and
standing
committees,
the.
C
E
C
A
A
Recommendation,
okay,
so
let's
take
a
strong
vote
council
member.
B
Yeah,
do
you
have
a
question
so
I
I
would
actually
like
the
the
language
that
I
had
suggested
for
3.1
appointment
to
be
added
here,
and
that
was
that
the
that
there
would
be
consideration
of
council
member
preference.
I
heard
that
from
watching
Los
Altos
city
council,
they
talked
about
the
the
mayor.
There
spoke
about
how
they
took
that
into
consideration.
Council,
member
preference,
equitable
distribution,
seniority,
experience
and
benefit
to
the
committee.
B
I
would
add
that
in
before
it
says,
subject
to
ratification
and-
and
it
has
been
the
past
practice
of
the
the
the
mayor,
we
would
each
be
given
a
list
of
these
Regional
bodies.
We
would
write
down
what
our
our
preferences
were
and
I
already
spoke
about
the
issue
with
taking
care
of
that
committee,
because
there
are
certain
agencies
where
removing
a
person
off
of
that
off
of
that
committee.
B
So
in
my
instance,
I
was
chairing
a
regional
body
for
two
years
and
was
removed
from
it,
and
it
happened
that
the
chair
and
the
vice
chair
were
gone
at
the
same
time.
So
literally,
the
very
first
person
who
logged
into
that
meeting
was
made
chair,
Pro
Tem
and
they
said
that's
never
happened
before
so
I
think
there's
a
care
in
consideration
that
should
be
taken
and
that's
why
I
added
in
those
items
for
the
mayor
to
take
into
consideration.
A
A
Okay,
thank
you
councilman.
So
we
have
two
two
comments.
One
is
from
council
member
ciao
to
add
to
if
I
remember,
the
exact
language
for
approval
mayor,
makes
recommendations
and
approved
by
the
city,
council
and
council
member
Moore
added
her
other
comments
to
this
I
think
it's
pretty
clear
what
council
member
Moore
wants.
So
can
we
have
a
strovo
please.
C
I
have
a
question
regarding
another
portion
of
this
I,
like
that.
It
says
right
now
that
an
ish
if
an
issue
arises
that
is
specific
to
Cupertino.
It
should
be
put
on
the
council
agenda
to
discuss
right
and
I
think
there
were
some
other
issues
like
the
cities.
Association
would
like
to
become
a
jpa
and
that
they
that
was
approved
by
the
board
of
directors
could
go
ahead,
but
the
Cupertino
never
considered.
So
how
would
this
kind
of
thing
be
put
on
the
council
agenda
now?
I
think.
A
A
A
Not
report
I
would
like
to
go
back
to
the
this
original
one.
This
item
to
see
if
we
have
a
store
vote,
so
we
have
council,
member,
Charles
recommendation
and
council
member
Morse
recommodation
added
her
other
recommendation
to
it.
So
can
I
have
a
strovo
to
move
forward
from
this
one
to
a
less
councilmember
child.
You
have
really
have
a
one-minute
comment
again
so.
C
The
the
assignment
to
other
Regional
bodies-
they
don't
have,
we
don't
do
a
written
report
and
the
incidents
that
I
talked
about.
I.
Think
the
representative
did
not
report
and
then.
E
A
A
Can
we
have
a
straw
vote
and
anybody
want
to
start?
We
have
one
from
council
member
Chow
wine
from
councilmember
Moore
and
with
the
addition
to
it.
A
H
G
Support
5.3,
as
is
in
the
original,
because
I
do
I,
think
that
it
covers
most
of
the
incidents
that
we
will
come
across
in
our
ordinary
course
of
business.
It
doesn't
deal
with
every
single
eventuality,
but
as
it
stands
now,
it's
it's
good
enough.
It's
good
enough
for
me.
A
D
C
A
A
Big,
let's
move
forward,
we
have
three
votes,
so
let's
go
to
next
one
with
recommendations:
5.7
Council
training:
there
is
a
staff
recommendation,
can
city
manager,
Jensen
or
City
attorney
Jensen
City
manager
will
report
on
this.
D
Yes,
so
this
is
a
this
is
a
staff
recommendation.
It
is
reflects
comments
that
were
provided
by
council
member
Moore
to
to
just
make
it
clear
that,
if
there's
a
conference
that
such
as
such
as
the
league
of
cities
conference
that
Council
just
attended,
that
training
is
offered
at
that,
it's
that
training
can
be
that
that's
an
appropriate
way
for
Council
to
receive
required
training.
A
B
Yes,
I
do
have
a
comment
on
5.8.
It
was
something.
B
So
this
one
says
the
mayor
may
use
the
mayor's
initiative
budget
established
as
part
of
the
city
manager's
discretionary
fund,
okay,
so
in
our
in
our
operating
budget,
our
city
managers,
discretionary
fund
does
not
have
the
mayor's
initiative
budget
in
it.
B
It's
showing
up
and
you
can.
You
can
find
it
under
the
four-year
oh
gosh,
four-year
expenditures
at
the
account
level,
appendix
B,
and
but
it's
not
actually
an
amount
and
it's
under
city
council.
It's
actually
not
under
the
manager's
discretionary
fund.
So
we've
got
a
problem
and
I'm
not
sure
how
to
fix
it.
But
we
are
not
following
the
requirements
of
resolution.
07-103.
H
So
I
would
look
to
for
us
in
terms
of
interpretation.
There
is
a
separate
budget
line
item
for
the
city
for
the
mayor's
fund
and
the
city
manager's
discretionary
fund.
There
are
two
separate
budget
item:
city
managers,
office
budget
encompasses
the
city
council's
budget.
B
I
think
this
item
needs
to
come
to
council
because
we
did
not
determine
what
the
mayor's
initiative
budget
has
has
been
and
I
think.
We
should
also
see
what
the
spending
has
been,
what
the
initiatives
have
been
over
the
past.
H
Several
years,
so
the
mayor's
fund
has
been
budgeted.
Fifteen
thousand
dollars,
75
000
for
each
of
the
six
months
for
the
fiscal
year,
and
that
has
been
a
lying
budget
item
and
the
dollar
amount
and
I
could
probably
have
Christina
correct
me.
The
dollar
amount
has
varied
in
the
past
years.
I
think
has
gone
up,
it
has
gone
down
it
very.
It
has
been
budgeted
for
the
number
of
years
that
I
have
looked
at
our
budget.
A
There's
no
amount
there.
So
as
a
mayor,
I
was
very
curious
about
this,
so
I
did
request.
Our
finance
department
sent
me
last
two
years
Mayors.
How
do
the
Mayors
spend
their
budget
and
I
do?
Have
that
on
record,
but
to
save
time
I'm
going
to
say
I'm
not
going
to
show
it,
but
I
do
agree.
I
think
we
need
to
have
some
guidelines
of
how
Mayors
spending
their
mayor's
fund
and
I
I
like
that
a
lot.
A
So
this
probably
doesn't
say
it
yet,
but
it
did
say
the
initial
budget
is
determined
by
the
city
council,
which
is
fifteen
thousand
dollars,
7
500
for
each
term,
because
our
fiscal
is
fiscal
budget
is
from
July
1st
to
June
30th,
while
the
mayor's
turn
is
for
that
20
like
minus
20
23
years,
so
over
lapped
six
months
six
months,
so
I
think
this
maybe
could
come
back
a
little
bit
later.
A
So
we
can
do
a
little
bit
more
research
as
a
budget,
because
I'm
curious,
too
I
hesitate
to
spend
any
money
without
my
council
members
know
about
it
and
I
to
tell
the
truth.
I
do
have
some
questions
on
how
previous
Mayors
spent
their
money
and
we
can
talk
about
in
a
later
date,
but
at
this
time,
if
with
adjustment
from
city
managers
proposal
is
acceptable
to
us,
let's
approve
it,
move
it
and
put
it
on
a
next
agenda
item
through.
B
The
way
it's
written,
we're
not
following
what's
written
here
that
yeah
and
that's
and
like
I
said
so,
that's
the
problem
and
then
there's
more
to
it,
so
I
I'm
I'm
reluctant
to
approve
it,
because
we
we're
not
following
the
resolution
that
we're
referencing
and
then,
for
instance,
this
resolution.
So
you
have
the
state
of
the
city
coming
up
the
resolution
talks
about
you
would
be
stating
what
your
mayor's
initiative
would
be
at
the
state
of
the
city
actually,
but.
A
That's
from
the
relationship
right
right,
but
that's
what
it's
saying
so
so
I
think
for
the
sake
of
time
or
if
we
haven't
been
following
it,
but
we
have
a
approved
manual,
then
we
should
be
following
it.
I
I
think
that's
how
I
see
this
right
from
now
on
we're
gonna,
follow
it.
I
would
love
to
follow
it
as
a
mayor
and
ex-mayors.
A
H
So
my
recommendation
are
twofold:
one
is
to
go
ahead
per
staff's.
Recommendation
second
is
to
modify
the
mayor's
fund
resolution
that
was
previously
adopted.
What
I
heard
is
that
traditionally
there
was
a
resolution,
but
it
hasn't
been
carefully
followed,
so
there
were
presidents
said
and
in
order
to
make
sure
that
Council
acts
according
to
what
has
been
laid
out.
Hence
the
policy.
So
our
recommendation
is
this
was
a
good
good
recommendation
as
in
the
adopted
resolution,
so
we
recommend
for
Council
to
follow
it
if
Council
sees
it.
A
B
I
think
we
need
to
bring
up
the
entire
city
council
budget
for
discussion,
because
we've
got
travel,
you've
got
the
state
of
the
city
and
this
mayor's
initiative.
So
there's
multiple
items
here:
the
technology
fund
that
those
dollars
amounts
as
well
I
think
we
should
talk
about
all
of
it,
bring
and
and
I
think.
If
we
start
now,
it
might
be
a
nice
introduction
into
the
whole
budget
where
we're
looking
at
what
those?
What
does
a
contract
Services
amount,
actually
mean?
How
much
can
that
money
be.
A
C
Regarding
this,
through
the
city
manager,
they
were
not
insert
that,
but
I
think
it
needs
to
be
clarified.
So
if
the
mayor
thinks
a
project
importantly
wants
to
pursue
a
project
with
the
city
staff
time
hours
spent
with
this
mayor
than
big
directed
state
city
staff
to
work
on
a
project
not
by
the
council.
C
Mike,
please,
oh
sorry,
thank
you.
So,
since
the
mayor's
initiative
enables
the
mayor
to
work
on
projects
the
mayor
deem
important
without
the
council
approval,
then
would
the
mayor
be
able
to
direct
staff
to
work
on
this
mayor's
initiative
project
and
with
our
spend
on
the
projects,
be
part
of
the
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
So
how.
A
Would
that
work,
May
I
propose
we
have
a
resolution,
07-01
103.
If
we
want
to
edit
that
that
will
be
another
agenda
item
right
now,
we
are
just
going
to
decide
on
the
mayor's
initial
budget.
Are
we
as
following
this
resolution?
That
would
be
another
to
me
as
we
another
agenda
item
to
agenda.
If
you
want
to
revise
the
whole
mayor's
how
the
budget
is
going
to
miss
in
spend
how
much
staff
time
for
mayor's
initiatives
and
I
do
think
we
need
to
go
back
to
this
item
and
approve
it
or
not,
approve
it.
C
D
I
say
it
correctly
so
yeah,
so
that
that
resolution
is
not
under
consideration
tonight.
If,
if
council
is
uncomfortable
with
that
resolution,
I
there,
this
this
provision
is
not
integral
to
the
the
policy,
that's
under
consideration
and
it
could.
It
could
be
deleted
in
its
entirety.
You
know,
alternatively,
Council
can
move
forward
with
the
staff
recommendation.
A
C
At
the
expect,
a
I
think
the
the
the
ceremonial
procedure
part
we
are
approving,
even
though
that's
attachment,
so
that's
confusing.
So
some
of
the
attachments
we
are
is
new.
We
are
adopting
some
of
the.
A
A
So
I
think
the
recommendation
from
staff
is
either
we
delete
this
or
we
have
any,
and
if
we
have
concerns
we
can
delete
the
whole
thing
and
revisit
the
mayor's
initial
budget
later.
Okay,
so
any
proposals
from
our
council
members
councilmember.
B
Moore
I
would
actually
delete
it
and
start
over
with
the
idea
fresh
and
you've
brought
up
the
issue
with
the
ending
of
the.
F
C
I
will
be
in
favor
of
deleting
this,
because
this
item
makes
it
very
confusing
which
of
the
attachment
is
part
of
the
agenda
or
not
part
of
the
agenda.
Okay
I
think
it's
better
to
write.
A
G
A
A
So,
okay,
so
so
actually
I
I
don't
see
any
diff,
okay,
okay,
so
we'll
move
forward,
keep
it
embed
the
recommendations,
bring
back
resolution
07-013
because
I
do
agree
with
council
member
froon.
That
is
a
resolution
that
we
have
to
follow
anyway,
if
before
we
make
any
ads
to
it.
Okay,
let's
move
forward
to
the
next
item,
which
is
moving
moving
moving
already
item
number
6.6
council
member
access
to
information.
A
A
We
are
elected
officials
work
closely
with
our
staff.
I
do
believe
our
staff
work
really
hard
to
satisfy
our
requirements,
our
inquiries
and
and
if
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong
city
manager
or
a
City
attorney
Jensen,
we
do
have
municipal
code.
That's
talk
about
council
members,
not
interfering
with
the
regular
workload
of
the
staff
and
I
do
believe.
Our
staff
really
try
to
accommodate
everything
we
want
to
do.
But
if
a
information
costs
10
hours,
the
staff
might
need
a
little
bit
more
time.
A
A
Of
course
it's
not
illegal,
but
it's
unusual
I
do
think
we
want
to
address
any
unusual
things
in
our
city,
council
and
I
want
to
ask
city
manager
Wu
to
explain
this
a
little
bit
further
that
so
we
can
work
collaboratively
as
a
team
that
we
don't
need
to
use
public
records
at
for
our
council
members
to
seek
information
and
I
do
believe.
Council
members
have
the
right
to
get
information
and
you
know
in
a
timely
manner,
so
council
member.
H
Of
course,
in
your
way,
so
I
would
like
to
clarify
that
all
council
members
have
your
rights
to
get
the
information
just
like
any
member
of
a
public.
However,
here's
to,
however
it
comes
in
staff,
has
the
day-to-day
routine
operational
activities
when
a
information
comes
in,
it
sometimes
interferes
with
their
daily
operation.
H
If
this
is
something
that
staff
can
provide
within
five
or
ten
or
at
the
most
30
minutes,
we
will
provide
that
immediate
response
to
you
when
the
research
goes
up
to
hours,
if
not
days
or
sometimes
even
a
month
together,
to
provide
that
information.
We
asked
for
an
extended
period
of
time.
The
difference
between
that
and
the
public
records
request
is
that
when
a
pra
is
filed,
staff
has
to
drop
everything,
we're
doing
and
comply
with
the
state
law
to
provide
that
information
to
the
person
who
made
that
request.
H
So
just
based
on
the
information
that
we
have
received
in
2021
again,
this
is
not.
During
my
tenure
there
were
two
public
records
request
made
to
the
clerk's
office
in
2022.
They
were
21.
the
amount
of
time
that
staff
spent
in
2021
is
about
300.
Some
hours
for
the
Pras
in
2022
is
about
close
to
600
hours
of
Staff
time.
It
is
not
a
significant
in
terms
of
the
number
of
staff
that
we
have
on
the
team.
A
So,
thank
you.
Now.
We're
open
up
to
Council
so
I
did
try
to
compromise
that
if
there
is
really
an
urgent
seeing
one
of
our
council
members
really
want
this
information.
It
might
take
10
hours
or
you
know
we
can
really
explain
it,
approve
and
say:
hey
staff.
We
really
need
this
information
in
order
for
us
to
make
decisions.
A
So
that's
why
I
put
that,
except
with
the
approval
of
the
council
with
the
majority
of
firmly
vote
of
members,
because
we
can
evaluate
whether
this
information
is
really
urgently
need
in
the
next
few
days
or
two
weeks.
That's
just
why
I
made
that
comment
so
and
councilman
Memorial.
Actually,
your
next
one.
So
I
would
like
you
to
put
your
input
to
it.
B
Okay,
thank
you
mayor
way.
So
so,
first
there's
there's
been
a
reference
to
the
grand
jury
report
which
the
city
council
has
not
responded
to
and
in
that
report
they
make
it
sound
as
though
I
asked
a
staff
member
directly
for
a
credit
card
statements
and
the
the
City
attorney
has
the
folder.
B
That
I
was
given
from
the
previous
city
manager,
which
clearly
indicates
that
that
was
not
the
case
and
so
I'm
bothered
by
the
reference
to
a
report
where
I
was
not
asked
by
the
grand
jury
about
that
issue,
and
it
took
a
very
long
time
to
find
and
I
was
going
through
staff
to
find
out
what
all
of
these
charges
were
that
were
coming
through
on
our
accounts
payable.
B
So
that
was
an
instance
where
staff
the
city
manager
was
making
a
decision
about
whether
or
not
my
request
would
have
any
priority,
and
what
I've
been
told
by
the
city
manager
is
that
their
first
priority
are
the
requests
of
the
entire
Council
and
then
next
comes
the
requests
by
individual
council
members.
So
what
happens
as
a
individual
council
member
is
that
you
are
put
on
a
certain
rung
for
where
your
request
actually
lie.
B
B
It
unfortunately
puts
us
in
a
position
where
we
need
to
find
information
and
staff
is
not
demonstrating
that
they're
willing
to
to
do
that.
So
I
would
never
limit
a
council
member's
ability
to
use
the
public
records
act
because
I
am
at
first
a
member
of
the
community,
a
citizen
here.
In
fact,
I
don't
even
have
to
be
a
citizen,
because
if
you
look
in
the
public
records
numbers,
we
have
people
from
different
continents
who
are
repeatedly
asking
us
for
public
records.
A
So,
thank
you,
council,
member
Moore,
duly
noted.
I
would
like
to
ask
Cindy
manjo
a
couple
questions
regarding
council
member
Bruce
Moore's
coming
for
a
public
record
ad
of
the
eight
thousand
dollars
when
they
count
the
city
staff.
Return
that
information
right
away.
Why
does
why
did
council
member
Moore
need
a
public
record
set,
but
maybe
you
were
not
a
cityman
Japan.
H
I
I
was
not
I
think
this
is
referring
to
the
credit
card
fraud
that
was
discovered,
I
believe
this
was
discovered
in
one
of
the
accounting
payable
receivable
expenditure.
The
finance
realized
that
something
to
balance
out,
so
they
look
into
it
called
the
vendor
and
we
discovered
and
unfortunately
the
city
had
to
let
the
employee
go
and
also
recover
the
fund
that
was
not
authorized.
A
A
H
So
this
is
a
hard
question
to
answer
when
you,
when
I
put
council's
work.
First,
that's
my
day-to-day
job.
My
job
is
here
to
assist
counsel
I
would
prioritize
that
then
to
spend
my
time
over
one
Council
member's
request.
However,
like
I
said,
all
council
members
have
the
right
to
information.
H
Sometimes
it
is
a
matter
of
time
if
a
certain
council
member
needed
that
information
in
an
urgent
matter,
if
you're
attending
a
state
conference
tomorrow-
and
you
need
to
make
a
presentation
knowing
in
the
data
that
you're
you're
requesting,
we
won't
make
that
happen
for
you,
but
but
in
a
general
sense,
my
job
is
here
to
serve
the
council.
The
five
of
you.
A
So
would
it
be
fair
to
say
councilman
Moore,
would
you
have
confidence
in
our
current
city
manager
and
staff
that
your
you
know,
requests
would
be
honored
whenever
you
need
well.
B
I
want
to
clarify
something
going
because
look
at
the
credit
card,
not
the
credit
card,
but
because
the
the
8
000
payment
was
mentioned.
So
the
the
the
information
that
I
received
through
the
public
records
act.
It
did
come
back
to
Council
on
June
21st
2022.
That
was
our
previous
manager's
last
day
and
it
those
items
were
added
as
an
attachment
as
attachments
to
that
item.
So
the
eight
thousand
dollar
question
came
to
council,
but
we
were
not
allowed
to
speak
about
the
those
attachments
and
council
member
chow,
and
myself
requested.
B
Those
attachments
would
come
back
to
city
council
so
that
we
could
have
a
discussion
about
them.
They
have
never
come
back
to
council.
They
have
not,
and
I
asked
about
that.
To
have
them
come
back
and
I
was
given
a
response
and
the
city
manager
can
I
can
speak
to
this
about
not
having
them
come
to
council
before
the
election
and
if
the
city
manager
can
because
I'm
paraphrasing
correct
that.
But
still
so
do
it's
been
now
over.
A
A
So
we
we
have
city,
council
questions
and
we
have
city
manager
who
said
she
would
do
she
would
do
her
best
and
I'm
reading
this
as
council
members
show
no
council
members
shall
circumvent
the
city
manager's
Direction
regarding
our
quest
for
information
by
seeking
information
through
a
public
records
at
so
we're.
Looking
at
this
sentence
that
whether
we
want
to
strike
it
or
not,
so
I
want
to
focus
on
decision
on
that.
Okay,
so
council,
member
ciao,
okay,.
C
C
I
need
to
share
to
reference
to
the
municipal
code.
That's
adopted
by
the
council.
I
think
we
need
to
comply
with
it,
and
this
is
actually
I.
Think
I
referenced
before
that
it
starts
with
intent,
is
free
flow
of
information
and
under
this
individual
council
members,
as
well
as
Council
as
a
whole,
have
complete
freedom
of
access
to
any
information,
and
this
section
timely
response.
It
does
reference
the
workload
issue
that,
of
course,
we
don't
want
to
overload
the
staff
on
the
regular
operation.
C
But
it
says
clearly
the
request
is
not
of
a
magnitude
either
in
terms
of
workload
or
policy,
which
would
require
that
in
more
appropriately,
be
assigned
to
staff
through
the
collective
direction
of
the
council.
So
I
think
it's
clear
from
the
Municipal
Court.
The
city
manager
does
not
have
the
Direction
the
the
ability
to
decide
what
information
the
council
should
have
or
not,
but
the
collection
direction
of
the
council
has
that
and
therefore
I.
C
A
D
So
they're
quite
their
criteria
that
are
listed
in
in
section
2.17043
that
the
city
manager
should
consider
before
before
assigning
staff
to
respond
to
a
request
from
an
individual
council
member.
Among
other
things,
it's
whether
you
know
the
response
would
take
more
than
one
staff,
member
or
or
or
two
hours
of
two
hours
of
time.
That's
not
a
hard
and
fast
rule.
Those
are
criteria
that
the
city
manager
should
exercise
judgment
over
for
requests
that
take
more
time.
D
The
municipal
code
you
know
generally
would
require
the
the
the
the
the
the
direction
from
the
full
Council
and-
and
that's
that's,
that's
the
intent
of
of
that's
one
of
the
Intensive
chapter,
two
type
17,
as
as
council
member
Chow
correctly
points
out.
The
other
intent
is
to
make
sure
that
Council
has
access
to
information,
that's
necessary
to
do
their
jobs.
C
D
C
I
think
that
more
so
I
I
also
pointed
out
that
in
the
government
called
the
brown
act
specifically
mentions
the
people
in
delegating
Authority
do
not
give
the
public
servants
the
right
to
decide
what
is
good
for
the
people
to
know
or
not
to
know
so.
C
If
that
would
take
significant
time,
maybe
I
would
like
to
know
too
please
forward
by
the
way,
please
forward
that
information
to
me
I
would
like
to
know
that
too
today
yeah,
but
but
if
it's
put
on
the
council
agenda,
maybe
other
council
member
would
like
to
know
if
it
takes
more
time,
let's
design
together.
Therefore,
my
recommendation
is
just
put
this
request
on
the
console
agenda
for.
C
Especially
for
important,
if
there
is
potential
fraud
or
potential
things
that
a
personal
council
member
might
have
discovered
through
some.
A
Initial
information,
I,
don't
see
a
comment
from
you,
though.
That's
written
I
have
I,
see
my
SC
council
member.
C
The
suggestion
is,
city
manager,
put
a
requests
which
requires
significant
workload
on
Council
agenda,
so
the
entire
Council
can
decide
with
public
input
which
complies
with
the
existing
Municipal
Code.
That.
A
B
Yes,
so
that
we
also
have
and
I
need
to
find
this
again,
oh
there,
we
are
okay,
2.17.034.
Regarding
information,
there
is
a
line
in
here
that
I
think
is
important
as
as
well.
The
the
individual
council
members,
as
well
as
the
city
council
as
a
whole,
have
complete
freedom
of
access
to
any
information
requested
of
staff
and
will
receive
the
full
cooperation
and
Candor
of
City
staff
in
being
provided
with
any
requested.
B
Information
and
I
want
to
bring
up
the
Candor
remark,
the
Candor
statement,
and
when
we
go
back
looking
at
the
the
information
which
I
requested
with
regards
to
the
the
first
installment
to
the
non-existent
contract.
When
the
other
information
came
out,
we
were
told
about
verbal
contracts
and
I
question
whether
or
not
the
answers
that
that
we
were
given
did
Encompass
the
full
Candor
from
the
staff,
and
it
wasn't
until
June
21st,
so
that
we
heard
Evergreen
contracts
and
I
would
not
say
that
that
follows.
A
A
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
let's
go
back
to
this
comments.
We
have
your.
We
have
council
member
Charles
comment
and
we
have
my
comment
and
we
have
council
member
Moore's
coming.
Do
we
want
to
make
any
edits
to
our
comments.
C
I
want
to
be
more
specific
about
my
proposal.
Is
we
need
to
struct
the
entire
sentence,
starting
with
no
council
members,
just
circumvent
the
city
manager,
because
that
simply
does
not
comply
with
the
municipal
code?
And
then
we
should
not
mention
the
public
records
request,
because
if
we
provide
the
proper
remedy,
which
is
putting
the
request
on
the
council
agenda,
I
think
the
council
member
more
had
to
resort
to
public
records.
A
E
E
C
E
C
C
A
E
B
Okay,
so
council,
member
Chow,
could
you
please
I
see
that
you're
you're
you've
accepted
my
revision
to
delete
the
sentence?
I
think
that's!
That's
the
right
thing
to
do
having
this
kind
of
a
sentence
in
there.
All
that
does
is
lead
for
the
council
member,
any
council
member
to
go
and
ask
someone
else
to
go.
Make
a
public
records
request
for
whatever
information
they're
trying
to
get
and
and
like
you
said
it
is
existing
public
information
you're
not.
B
Member
Chows
extra
sentence
that
she
has
added
Beyond,
striking
the
the
pra
rights
which
we
we
all.
A
A
D
C
C
B
A
A
Yes,
okay
and
councilmember
child
you're
voting
for
yours
and
council
member
Morris,
but
yours
is
stated
by
City
attorney
Jensen.
Okay.
So
now
we
have
another
vote
from
fellow
member
from
your
hands
is
on.
F
Yes,
so
I
would
accept
the
language
as
it
stands
at
6.6,
but
insert
right
before
the
last
sentence:
the
language
that
council
member
Chao
has
proposed
on
its
own
right.
D
A
And
put
city
manager,
Jensen's
correct.
F
Correct
the
reason
being
simply
that
it
is
not
given
to
any
one
council
member
to
arrogate
to
themselves
the
ability
to
dictate
staff
time
there
were
over
134
hours
that
were
consumed
in
estimated
time
from
the
city
clerk's
office,
just
servicing
council
member
pra
requests
and
those
fall
into
a
different
level
of
priority
relative
to
what
we're
asking
for
as
a
whole
and
what
individual
council
members
are
asking
for.
I
think
that
that's
the
right
compromise.
A
A
C
Here
attorney,
could
you
confirm
if
we
keep
the
last
language,
no
City,
no
council
membership
circumvent
the
city
manager's
Direction.
Regarding
a
request
for
information
for
pra?
Are
we
not
complying
with
the
municipal
code,
as
stated
today.
D
So
there
there
are
do
there
are
definitely
requests
for
information
that
that
the
city
manager
gets
and
I
think
it's
challenging
for
the
city
manager
to
to
stay
within
the
bounds
of
the
municipal
code
and
responding
to
those
requests.
I
I
do
think
that.
C
D
D
There
are,
there
are
limited,
it's
appropriate
I,
shouldn't
say
limited,
it's
appropriate
for
city
city,
council
members
to
get
information,
and
certainly
they
need
to
get
the
information
they
need
to
do
their
job,
but
when
there
are
efforts
that
take
significant
staff
time,
that
direction
should
come
from
the
council,
and
so
that's
so
so
that
that
that
is
that's
what's
built
into
the
municipal
code,
and
this
is.
H
Eight
o'clock,
so
the
meeting
is
scheduled.
A
Until
eight-
and
we
have
the
second
item
that
we
have
not
gone
so
we
we
have
a
consensus.
So,
let's
move
on,
we
have
a
consensus.
Let's
just
move
on:
okay,
let's.
B
Go
I
think
it's
important
that
this
gets
stated
because
you're
trying
to
have.
E
B
Extreme,
thank
you.
So,
while
there
is
an
argument
against
doing
the
public
records
request,
please
note
that
my
public
records
request
yielded
up
that
staff
signed
liability
waivers
on
behalf
of
a
outside
entity
and
waive
the
facility
fees
for
that
entity
that
they
made
verbal
agreements
and
paid
on
invoices
which
had
no
underlying
contracts.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you,
council,
member,
more
so,
let's
move
to
7.1
future
agenda
items.
I
did
make
some
recommendations
but
I'm
willing
to
scrab
it
because
I'm
trying
to
say
if
they're
outdated,
we
have
a
whole
list
of
future
agenda
items
and
I'm
pretty
sure
some
of
them
are
outdated
or
obsolete.
So
I
was
just
trying
to
see
if
we
can
shorten
the
the
list,
so
we
can
be
more
practical
in
looking
at
what
we
really
want
to
do
so
I
did
some
thinking.
A
That's
why
I
put
outdated
or
obsolete
items
that
may
be
removed
from
the
future
agenda
item
by
a
majority
vote
of
the
city
council
and
the
city
manager
can
ask
the
council
to
reaffirm.
Are
these
items
two
of
you
really
want
to
put
on
the
agenda?
That's
what
I'm
trying
to
do
but
I'm
willing
to
not
recommended
so
multiple
council
members
said
any
I
think
we
removed
okay.
So
can
we
have
a
brief
discussion?
Please?
A
C
Like
to
adopt
what
Palo
Alto
city
council
has
regarding
using
colleague's
memo
as
a
way
to
propose
a
gender
item,
so
two
council
members
can
write
a
one-pager
colleagues
memo
to
specify
what
they
would
like
to
put
on
the
agenda
and
then,
as
long
as
they
submitted
like
10
days
before
council
meeting.
This
page
is
put
on
the
console.
A
Days,
okay,
do
we
have
it?
Can
the
city
clerk
access
it
and
read
it
to
us?
Okay
and
then
I
I
said
I'm
willing
to
scrap
mine
and
multiple
council
members.
A
B
I'll
be
quick,
so
I
I
had
seen
the
I
believe
the
colleague
memo.
It's
called
and
I
agree
with
that.
I
think
it's
a
terrific
new
addition
and
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
have.
Okay,
then,
can.
C
A
I
So,
colleagues,
memo
based
on
the
City
of
Palo
alto's
Council
procedures.
Any
two
council
members
can
co-author
a
colleague's
memo,
which
is
often
a
one-page
description
of
a
problem
and
a
proposed
solution
or
policy
direction
or
consideration
the
memo.
As
long
as
the
memo
is
submitted
three
days
before
the
agenda
is
published,
the
memo
is
put
on
the
agenda
for
consideration.
The
council
can
discuss
and
decide
whether
to
put
the
matter
on
a
future
agenda
for
staff
to
look
deeper
or
not
to
take
an
action.
A
A
C
That
correct
that's
their
current
Council
procedure,
because
otherwise
we
will
be
proposing
something
in
during
future
agenda
setting.
But
we
couldn't
go
into
substance
on
why
it's
necessary
right.
E
C
So
this
way
it
puts
more
work
for
the
person
proposing
it
and
less
work
for
the
staff.
Otherwise
we
will
be
making
a
very
informal
comment.
We
want
to
do
something
in
the
next
meeting,
that's
more
for
the
staff
to
find
out
what
to
put
put
on
there.
So
I
think
this
is
making
it
more
clear
and
allowing
the
council
to
have
substantive
discussion.
F
F
I
do
think
that
it
would
be
important
for
there
to
be
certain
limitations
on
how
many
colleagues
memos
could
be
written
and
added
to
a
specific
agenda.
Etc
I
think
that
that's
that
merits
a
separate
study
session
in
the
future.
For
right
now
we
are
already
at
8.
E
F
We've
been
going
for
another
two
hours
since
our
last,
it's
probably
appropriate
as
a
point
of
privilege
for
us
to
take
a
five-minute
recess
and
I
would
propose
that
we
continue
moving
forward
with
the
rest
of
the
agenda
and
take
this
back.
The
question
of
colleagues
memos
for
a
future
agenda
setting.
G
No
I'm
I'm,
okay,
with
proceeding
with
the
with
this
item.
A
So
my
concern
I
I
want
to
conquer
with
council
member
from
suggestion.
My
concern
is
this:
we
have
a
four
or
five
page
official
agenda
items.
Now
we're
going
to
add
this.
In
addition
to
that,
so
I
would
like
to
have
a
study
session.
We
need
to
look
at
our
future
agenda
items
and
and
go
from
there,
and
so
can
you
unshare,
so
I
can
do
I
do
I
still
have
it.
Okay,.
A
Again
so
so
the
the
comment
is
this
agenda
item
is
to
do
we
a
struggle.
Do
we
want
to
do
anything
about
it.
C
If
we
are
going
to
discuss
this
I
would
suggest
we
don't
adopt
anything
that
does
not.
That
is
not
consistent
with
the
current
practice,
which
is
the
the
last
sentence.
Three
council
member
can
remove
an
agenda
item,
that's
not
our
current
practice
and
if
the
majority
wants
to
go
forward
to
include
that
then
I
would
like
to
this.
To
add
that
the
three
council
member
must
include
two
of
the
original
council
member
who
proposed
the
agenda
so
that
we
will.
B
Please
just
question:
so
what
is
the
current
procedure
for
removing
a
future
agenda
item?
In
fact,
if
the
City
attorney
could
answer.
B
F
A
F
C
I
think
we
discuss
it.
I
think
it's
important
to
point
out.
The
current
practice
is
to
council
member
puts
on
a
proposing
agenda
item.
The
mayor
has
Authority
and
to
decide
when
to
schedule
that
a
lot
of
times
they
never
get
scheduled.
That's
why
it's
become
that
long
I
think
it's
really
good
idea
to
have
bring
it
under
control
to
have
a
more
so.
Your
comments.
C
So
let's
remove
that
and
have
a
discussion
I
really
like
that
idea.
A
A
Okay,
I
in
order
to
move
forward
I'm
going
to
support
it,
but
we
come
in.
We
come
back
with
a
study
session.
D
A
I'm
supporting
the
original
language,
but
come
back
with
the
recommendation
for
the
city
manager
to
really
work
on
this
one,
and
we
can
always
change
it:
okay,
okay!
So
let's
move
to
7.2
preparation
of
gender.
That's
no!
Nothing!
7.5
agenda,
publication
staff
recommend
to
a
movie
to
Wednesday.
B
D
Other
jurisdictions
do
have
longer
lead
times.
You
know
that
10
10
to
14
days
up
to
10
to
14
days.
So
you
know
three
days
is
the
minimum
required
by
the
brown
act
where
we
are
72
hours.
You
know
we
clear
we.
We
generally
aim
to
publish
agendas
on
on
Wednesdays.
So
that's
six
days,
so
you
know
so.
Certainly
council
could
establish
a
longer
time
period
if,
if
it
chose
to
do
so,
they're
clearly
advantages
to
having
more
time
to
review
the
agenda.
B
Thank
you
through
the
mayor.
I
would
like
us
to
go
to
the
10
days
following
Berkeley
and
Palo
Alto,
and
the
reason
being
is
that
once
we
get
into
the
budget
well,
we
were
already
at
1200
pages
right
and
we
had
a.
We
had
a
three-day
weekend
in
order
to
go
through
that
amount,
which
is
basically
telling
us
that
you
need
to
lose
your
weekend
and
the
and
the
the
holiday
in.
A
H
Sure
thank
you
mere
way.
So.
Currently,
for
the
past
six
months,
we
have
been
publishing
the
agendas
on
Wednesday.
This
allows
staff
sufficient
time.
There's
a
lot
of
work
behind
us,
seeing
that
council
members
may
not
know
that
goes
beyond
the
staff
report.
So
when
the
author
start
drafting
the
staff
report,
the
author
goes
into
the
division
manager,
the
department
head,
City
attorney,
Finance,
director
assistant
city
manager,
then
me
so
goes
through
six
rounds
of
review.
H
A
It
on
Wednesday,
okay,
thank
you.
So
now
we
have
do
you
have
any
other
proposals.
We
have
one
Wednesday
and
we
had
one
ten
days
before.
E
C
So
there
there
is
a
comment
from
me:
the
package.
E
C
C
The
staff
do
have
certain
time
to
update
with
the
packet
material,
but
then
it's
10
days
ahead
that
they
know
what's
going
to
be
on
their
agenda
and
so
the
the
staff
can
continue
to
finalize
the
package
in
on
Wednesday,
but
maybe,
as
a
compromise
is
when
we
have
important
budget,
for
example,
those
are
like
only
a
few
times
a
year,
maybe
those
certain
things
we
have
that
material
posted
earlier
and
make
that
available
that
we
know
it's
coming.
That's
a
compromise.
We
if
we
could
do.
A
A
city
manager
will
I
I,
remember
we
do
get.
You
know,
agendas
materials
earlier
sometimes,
and
we
even
have
individual
staff
consultation
on
agenda
items.
I
am
very
comfortable
with
Wednesday
I
think
it's
plenty
of
time
for
us
to
review
it.
I've
been
on
console
for
two
years
and
I
think
the
first
couple
years
it
was
summer.
First,
sometimes
it
was
Thursday,
so
I'm
I'm,
really.
Okay,
with
that
we're
elected
to
review
our
packages
I
think
six
days
is
more
than
enough.
I
actually
do
not
like
to
con.
A
B
Council
Members
pardon
councilman.
Thank
you
so
I
want
to
just
mention
a
couple
of
things.
So,
while
you're
there
have
been
efforts
to
try
to
shorten
the
council
meetings
and
remove
various
committees
and
here's
the
problem,
so
the
the
audit
committee
recommendation
from
staff
on
Monday
was
to
have
the
audit
committee
review
the
monthly
treasurer's
investment
report
council,
member,
which.
A
A
A
Then
10
days
from
council,
member
Moore
staff
recommend
Wednesday
and
council
member
Chao
added
Wednesday
or,
if
they're
important,
like
budget,
that
we
get
information
earlier.
Do
you
think
information
earlier
or
gender
earlier,
which.
A
So
that's
actually
maybe
a
direction
for
for
city
manager.
It's
not
really
on
this.
Unless
you
want
to
add
to
staff
recommendation
some
sentences
behind
it.
I.
A
Can
you
repeat
your
comment
or
your,
let
me
just
share
what
would
you
like
to
add.
C
It's
shown
here,
it's
copied
from
Palo
Alto
console
procedure
that
all
the
staff
prepared
responses
before
the
to
all
council
members,
as
well
as
put
up
on
some
place
that
the
public
can
access,
because
right
now,
I
think
we
each
individually
ask
certain
questions
and
sometimes
I
hear
oh
council
member
Moon,
learn
about
this
then
she's
concerned
about
something
on
the
agenda.
But.
A
D
Okay,
just
note
that
that's
reflect
the
concept.
Members
child's
suggestion
is
reflected
after
sex
and
7.6
in
the
doctor
that
we're.
A
F
I
was
about
to
offer
the
same,
but
I
will
say
that
I
would
be
happy
to
see
the
the
staff
recommendation
move
forward
on
this
I
understand
councilmember
Moore's
desire
for
more
time.
I
think
that
that
would
be
good
in
the
future
at
our
current
Staffing
levels.
F
I,
don't
think
that
that's
really
feasible
or
realistic,
so
we
should
just
continue
with
Wednesday
and
I
would
encourage
the
city
manager
perhaps
to
revisit
the
idea
of
the
agenda
forecast
that
used
to
be
attached
to
items
of
interest
that
might
satisfy
some
people
who
want
more
advanced
notice.
A
A
A
Was
great?
Okay
me
too,
and
Council
vice
mayor
I.
G
B
You
councilmember
I
just
want
to
bring
up
the
the
the
previous
item
that
we
had
on
future
agenda
items
would
be
that
we
would
get
a
quarterly
report
to
council,
so
you're
not
going
to
get
the.
We
had
a
very
frequent
report
from
the
and
we
were
not
going
to
be
getting
that
anymore
and
you're
choosing
not
to
have
that.
A
H
So
council,
member
chav
I
can
ask
for
clarification.
Are
you
asking
for
all
correspondences
from
one
council
member
to
provide
it
to
all
Council
or
any
specific
area.
E
H
So
what
we
have
suggested
in
a
supplemental
material
is
that
when
we
receive
questions
from
Council
and
a
members
of
the
public
like
the
desk
items,
we
will
publish
that
so
right
now
we
don't.
We
don't
include
any
questions
from
council
member,
but
in
the
future,
if
any
council
member
can
specify.
This
is
a
question
specifically
for
item
number
such
on
the
council
agenda.
We'll
include
that
in
the
desk
item.
E
C
These
so
yeah
okay.
So
if
our
subject
line
specify
the
agenda
item,
that
would
make
it
you
will
try
to
include.
We.
A
Can
can
we
have
a
because
this
language
thing
to
me
seems
very
long?
Can
we
have
approved,
as
is
but
come
back
with
a
additional
language
that
was
satisfied,
member
Charles
because
I'm
curious
on
that
too,
but
I
am
concerned
about
making
copies
and
the
the
details
in
there.
So
maybe
the
staff
and
city
manager
can
work
on
it
and
come
back
with
the
language.
Your.
H
A
Okay,
so
so
so,
let's
have
a
stroll
vote
to.
A
My
recommendation
is
to
accept
language,
as
is
with
city
manager,
come
back
with
a
language
that
satisfies
council
member
Charles
request.
B
Yes,
please
sorry
I
was
going
this
way.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
we
we
had
previously.
You
know
several
months
ago
been
receiving
these
other
questions
in
the
written
Communications,
the
the
answers
responses
and
it
was
helpful.
It
was
a
little
a
little
unwieldy
because
you
had
to
make
sure
that
you
hit
the
written
Communications
and
you
would
just
sort
of
find
it
was
like
an
Easter
egg.
B
So
if
that's
going
to
be
the
process,
that
would
be
helpful
and
I'm
still
working
on,
for
instance,
that
development
impact
issue
and
and
I
have
a
now
an
ongoing
collection
of
information.
So
there
is
an
imbalance
and
I
don't
feel
comfortable
with
it
when
we're
making
choices,
so
anything
you
can
do
to
provide.
That
would
be
helpful.
Okay,
so.
A
That's
for
city
manager
to
take
notes.
Thank
you
all
right.
So
can
we
have
a
store
vote
on
this
to
move
forward.
F
A
A
Thank
you.
Now,
let's
move
to
8.3
8.4
8.4,
we
do
have
one
comment
from
Council
staff
recommendation.
A
A
Gonna
move
forward
and
then
the
staff
recommends
revised
section
8.4
to
include
any
oral
Communications
that
continue
beyond
allotted
30
minutes
in
the
oral
in
the
order
of
business.
E
C
C
A
A
A
B
B
It
sure
you
would
well
probably
after
the
closed
session
report,
perhaps
I
don't
know
if
staff
could
make
a
recommendation
for
where
we
would
ordinarily
see
it.
That
would
be
preferable.
It's
working
anyway.
C
So
one
more
thing
we
might
want
to
add
an
item
before
the
current
item.
12.,
that's
postponed
the
consent
agenda
items
because
our
new
way
would
be
some
items
of
poor
the
consent
agenda
items
so
that
the
public
is
is
clear
that
that's
the
place.
Those
pulled
items
would
be
discussed.
E
D
E
C
A
A
When
we
have
agent,
we
we
I'll
see,
you
know
our
agenda
items
proposals
and
we
ask
the
city
staff
to
do
something.
Yeah.
H
Mere
way,
if
I
may
so
recently,
we
have
been
adding
a
lot
of
informational
items
on
consent
which
gets
pulled.
For
instance,
last
last
Tuesday
we
had
an
informational
item
on
housing
element
update.
You
will
have
another
update
on
the.
We
also
had
another
one
on
Lawrence
midi
design.
So
you
have
a
number
of
these
updates
and
they're
really
just
informational
item.
There's
no
action
for
Council
to
take
so,
as
opposed
to
put
it
on
consent
and
gets
pulled.
We'll
just
provide
you
an
informational
memo.
A
Okay,
so
we
have
two
two
proposals:
one
is
to
add:
postponement
and
agenda
items
before
before
seven
after
six
and
council
member
Charles
would
like
to
move
10
and
11
to
before.
A
To
be
right,
after
six
right
after
six,
so
now
I'm
a
little
confused,
so
council
member
Morris!
This
item
will
be
right
after
six
and
then
yours,
because
we're
kind
of
everything
is
going
to
be
between
six
and
seven.
A
So
I
think
what
we
have
right
now
is
postponement
is
right
after
six
and
then
we
can
move
10
11
to
right
after
that,
okay.
B
Thank
you,
I
pulled
up
on
October
4th
agenda
Okay,
so
we
have
postponements
and
Orders
of
the
day
coming
right
before
oral
communication.
E
B
A
A
A
am
I,
correct,
okay,
so
I
I
would
like
to
say
we
really
want
to
do
the
business
and
listen
to
the
comments
of
public
and
everything.
So
we're
trying
to
do
a
lot
of
adjustment.
A
It
is
I.
I
have
received
quite
a
few
comments
from
public
saying
that
they're
waiting
for
an
830
item
or
9
30
item,
then
it's
11
30,
then
come
back
in
two
days
or
next
week
or
in
next
meeting.
So
I
do
think
our
action
items
need
to
come
first
before
other
items.
That's
why,
after
public
hearing
action
items
is
there
so
that
the
people
who
are
waiting
for
Action
items
actually
are
not
being
put
off,
and
so
that's
I
ask
a
lot
of
C
other
cities
I
consult
with
Campbell
Sunnyvale.
A
Actually,
today,
quite
a
few
others
see
this.
They
do
do
if
you
pulled
out
consent
agenda,
it's
going
to
the
end
so
that
they
can
do
the
business
first
and
have
people
who
are
there
for
those
businesses
have
their
time
taken
care
of,
and
then
we
do
consent
agenda
in
the
end.
So
to
me,
that
is
a
very
good
way
to
move
forward
with
what
we
promise,
the
public
that
we're
going
to
do
that
our
business
and
also
be
very
open
for
consent,
agenda
discussions.
A
So
I
am
okay.
So
that's
my
comment.
Any
other
comments.
We
have
two
proposals
on
the
recommendation
on
the
table
and
we
have
stat
recommendation
and
we
have
council,
member,
Morris
and
council
member
Charles,
and
so
do
we
have
a
straw
vote
please
or
we
can
recommend
you
know:
staff
recommendation
or
council
member
child
councilman,
Memorial
combination
of
those.
C
So
I
have
a
list
that
I
can
share.
E
C
A
C
So
this
is
my
proposal
and
I
think
the
port
concerned
agenda.
I
agree.
It
should
be
after
the
regular
action
calendar
and
but
then
I
think
it
should
be
probably
before
the
remainder
of
the
oral.
So
it
should
be
here.
So
it's
after.
C
E
A
Council
report
and
comments
city
manager
reporting
department
has,
if
we
put
if
you
want
any
I,
do
believe
we
can
put
an
end
and
maybe
put
in
writing
post
it
somewhere.
I
would
not
want
to
impede
at
the
order
of
the
day
to
go
to
public
hearing
action
calendar.
So
I
would
like
to
keep
it
as
proposed.
E
A
F
I
would
support
mayor
Way's
suggestion,
which
is
council
member
Chow's
proposal
here,
except
that
10
and
11
would
remain
in
their
originally
proposed
positions.
E
A
Vote
for
my
own
okay
and
council
member,
more
or
vice
mayor,
Mohan,.
G
I'm
not
quite
clear
what
this
represents,
but
what
I
would
like
to
see
is
this
city
manager's
report
going
further
down
as
well
as
the
council
reports
and
comments,
so
I
see
it
canceled
here,
but
I'm,
oh
I'm,
not
sure
where
I'm
seeing
it
where
I'm
seeing
it
on
the
list
of
items,
so
I
support
the
order,
as
is
except
for
the
fact
that
I
would
like
to
see
the
city
managers
report
as
well
as
Council
reports
and
comments
go
down
further.
A
H
Okay,
Fairway,
if
it
helps
can
we
have
Chris,
show
the
version
that
that's
being
voted
on
perfect.
A
So
let
me
scroll
down
more
if
but
okay.
E
D
Popping
up,
let
me.
D
So
I
will
renumber
this,
of
course,
but
postponements
and
Orders
of
the
day
is
added
after
ceremonial
items,
items
removed
from
consent.
Calendar
is
noted
after
any
continued
or
oral
Communications,
Council
and
staff
comments
and
future
agenda
items
follows
that
and
and
then
and
I
believe
that
captures
the
changes
in
that
the
the
mayor
in
the
the
mayor's
vote
in
the
straw
poll
right.
G
A
D
Counts
I
think
believe,
council,
member
Chow
would
would
move
the
reports,
the
staff,
the
the
staff
and
Council
reports.
E
C
A
Recently
there
are,
can
you
revise
yours
and
show
us
then,
because
you
have
one
on
on
that,
we're
gonna
you,
you
voted.
C
C
B
E
A
B
13.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
that
the
future
agenda
items
that
we
got
we
got
to
catch
all
of
the
information
from
the
meeting
and.
B
A
Verizon
Council
reports
in
common,
that's
10.
on
this
list.
B
B
No,
no,
the
council
and
staff
comments
which
are
sitting
under
12
that
one
sentence
there
are
Council
and
staff
comments
and
future
agenda
items
which
is
our
right.
Now.
That's
been
our
second
to
last
item
right
before
adjournment
that
we
maintain
that
so
that
we
get
our
last
chance
to
put
those
future
agenda
items
put
that
before
after
13.
D
Yeah
I
guess,
if
I
may
I
mean
I,
would
just
like
to
clarify
that
informational
items
are
generally
something
that
that's
that
is
part
of
the
agenda
packet
that
so
it
can
be
distributed
to
council
and
the
public,
but
they're,
not
something
that
would
ordinarily
be
discussed
in
the
ordinary
course
of
business.
So
so
that,
that's
that's
why
the
placement
is
here
and,
and
many
jurisdictions
use
those
as
a
way
of
Distributing
information
to
the
council
and
the
public.
When
there's
not
necessarily
a
need
for
discussion
of
that.
A
A
A
C
A
A
A
That
can
we
do.
C
H
C
A
Council
member
ciao
Let's
go
with
the
struggle.
Please.
F
I'll
support
council
member
Charles
new
arrangement.
A
F
A
A
Well,
all
right
I
support
that
too,
all
righty,
you
don't
have
to
show
everybody
support
it.
Thank
you,
okay!
So,
let's
move
to
where
are
we
now
adding
at
him
to
the
consent
agenda?
8.5?
Oh
I
I?
Are
we
going
to
include
the
step
recommendation
on
the
previous
one?
I
totally
disagree
didn't
get
that.