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Coverage of the Cupertino City Council Teleconference Meeting, recorded on Tuesday, October 5, 2021. Part 1 of 2.
A
A
C
Thank
you,
mayor,
paul,
the
evening
council.
I
would
actually
like
to
introduce
erica
proveda,
who
will
be
conducting
our
presentation
presenting
tonight
and
in
addition
to
that,
we
do
have
our
consultant
andy
flower
from
emc
planning
group
who,
as
you
may
recall,
was
the
planning
consulting
group
that
was
chosen
and
selected
to
conduct
the
housing
element
update
and
with
that
we
also
have,
as
part
of
our
team,
kerry,
hussler
who's.
C
D
D
D
The
housing
survey
was
available
to
the
public
for
six
weeks
between
june
and
july
of
this
year,
and
during
that
time
a
total
of
935
individuals
completed
the
survey.
The
majority
of
respondents
identified
as
homeowners
with
almost
all
being
cupertino
residents,
complete
survey
data
is
provided
in
the
staff
report.
Attachment
and
responses
from
the
survey
will
be
used
to
help
inform
the
current
housing
element
update.
D
The
city
has
also
been
conducting
other
outreach
efforts
to
engage
and
educate
the
public
on
the
housing
element
update
since
spring,
and
these
efforts
include
two
joint
study
sessions
with
housing,
commission
planning,
commission
and
city
council,
which
were
held
on
april
27th
and
may
11th
facilitated
by
baird
andrew
school,
and
the
city
also
participated
in
a
virtual
community
meeting
series
called.
Let's
talk,
housing,
which
was
hosted
by
the
santa
clara
county
planning
collaborative
the
august.
D
D
D
Staff
has
also
reviewed
what
some
neighboring
jurisdictions
are
doing
in
terms
of
public
engagement
options
and
while
some
jurisdictions,
like
los
gatos
and
palo
alto,
are
incorporating
a
housing
element
specific
advisory
committee.
These
jurisdictions
do
not
have
an
advisory
commission
equivalent
to
cupertino's
housing
commission.
A
F
I
apologize
I
didn't
realize
I
was.
I
was
muted
mayor
city
manager,
council
members,
community
development
staff
and
cupertino
community
members.
We
are
honored
to
be
your
consultants
through
this
required
update
to
cupertino's
housing
element
chapter
of
your
general
plan,
I'm
just
going
to.
I
realized
that
I'm
also
there
we
go.
F
F
F
F
F
Our
engagement
plan
includes
robust
online
activities
and
several
meetings
with
opportunities
to
pass
the
baton
to
community
members
as
often
as
possible,
we'll
build
our
surveys
and
online
tools
through
an
iterative
process.
We've
seen
the
current
survey
results
such
as
76
percent
of
participants
concerned
about
traffic
and
75
supportive
of
accessory
dwelling
units
will
fold
this
type
of
data
into
a
cycle
of
outreach
and
reporting
back
to
the
community,
to
staff
decision
makers
and,
ultimately
to
hcd.
F
F
We'll
start
by
looking
to
the
guidance
of
the
fifth
cycle,
housing
element
update.
The
focus
for
the
current
element
is
on
infield
development,
particularly
where
transit
is
available.
We'll
also
look
for
a
dispersion
of
sites
throughout
the
city.
It's
important
to
understand
that
hcd
requires
a
buffer
of
total
sites
relative
to
feasibility
and
likeliness
of
development.
F
This
will
also
be
available
for
everyone
to
submit
their
own
solution
to
balancing
how
cupertino
can
meet
the
housing
needs
for
this
tool
to
be
operational,
though,
we'll
be
working
with
decision
makers
and
staff
with
multiple
possible
scenarios
to
get
our
house
housing
balance
sheet
to
be
resolved.
So
this
is
we're
looking
at.
F
F
F
It's
visible.
This
example
is
in
lafayette,
california-
and
this
was
their
initial
use-
of
the
balancing
act.
Tool
they'll
now
be
moving
in
to
a
second
iteration,
where
they'll
be
focused
more
on
the
specific
parcels,
but
for
this
one,
they're
looking
at
generalized
areas
and
asking
the
community
to
come
up
with
a
balance
sheet,
you'll
see
up
above
it
says
you
do
not
have
a
housing
plan
and
there's
a
certain
number
here
that
happens
to
be
happens.
To
coincide
with
the
arena
numbers
and
along
here
are
options.
F
So
the
couple
of
benefits
of
this
tool.
You
can
see
here
that
it's
very
interactive
so
that
you
can
recognize
when
you're
coming
close
to
a
balanced
sheet,
which
in
this
case
would
be
a
housing
plan
and
as
density
suggestions
are
illustrated
on
the
map
it
gets
darker.
So
you
can
see
that
responsiveness.
F
A
H
Yeah,
thank
you
erica
and
andy.
I
actually
really
like
that
thermometer
type
tool
that
you've
got
so
that
we
can
actually
see
how
our
numbers
are
improving,
as
we
add
subtract
or
change.
Okay.
My
first
question:
maybe
one
quick
question
to
the
mayor.
So
how
many
minutes
are
we
allotting
at
this
point.
A
Well,
we
have
until
let's
say,
6
40,
so
let's
go
ahead
and
put
you
on
three
minutes.
Thank
you
for
reminding
me
of
that
I'll.
Go
ahead
and
start
that
with
questions
and
then
we'll
go
after
our
questions
to
members
of
the
public
and
they'll
bring
it
back
for
any.
You
know
further
questions
or
comments.
H
Yeah,
because
I
have
two
two
buckets
of
questions:
first
ones
will
be
more
like
housekeeping
questions,
and
so
this,
I
think,
is
most
for
hyundai,
and
so
since
you're
our
expert
on
the
housing
cycle
first
question
would
be,
of
course
the
numbers
are,
are
dramatically
different
than
in
passwords.
Are
there
any
other
changes
in
the
sixth
cycle
over
the
previous
cycle
that
we
should
be
aware
of,
or
is
it
pretty
much
just
the
same
process
with
more
numbers.
F
F
In
other
words,
as
we
do
our
analysis
for
the
needs
in
order
to
meet
equity,
the
meaningful
actions
at
the
end,
when
we
bring
a
a
final
document,
there
needs
to
be
a
correlation
and
what
we're
seeing
from
the
the
revision
requests
coming
out
of
hcd
to
the
southern
california
cities.
Is
that
too
often?
There's
not
that
through
line?
It's
one
thing
to
have
a
solution,
but
if
it's
not
a
solution
that
is
actually
responsive
to
the
need,
then
it's
it's
not
a
useful
solution.
H
Great
the
importance
of
equity,
great
great,
to
hear
next
question
would
be
with
the
numbers
being
dramatically
higher
than
we're
used
to
in
the
past.
It's
going
to
be
a
learning.
I
feel
it's
going
to
be
a
learning
experience.
You
know,
but
it's
not
limited
to
us.
It's
all.
The
communities
are
going
to
have
proportionally
the
same
type
of
situation
to
accommodate.
H
That
being
said,
are
you
currently
doing
some
housing
elements
for
some
of
the
other
neighboring
cities
that
you
know?
I
always
like
checks
and
balances.
I
like
to
learn
from
what
other
people
have
done.
Leverage
different
methods?
Are
you
already
or
working
with
other
ones,
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
correlate
with
share
with
learn
from.
F
Absolutely
we're
this
is
one
thing:
we're
very
excited
about
being
able
to
have
the
synergistic
flow
of
information
across
borders
and
and
through
our
communities,
so
in
santa
clara
county,
we're
working
with
both
los
gatos
and
montessorino,
we're
also
working
in
the
county
of
marin,
we're
working
with
fairfax
and
larkspur
and
and
potentially
a
couple
of
other
communities.
So
we're
excited
about
working
with
a
full
spectrum
of
staff
and
approaches
and
intentions,
and
we're
also
able
to
work
with
the
collaboratives
that
abac
has
made
available
in
each
of
these
counties.
F
So
we're
learning
from
all
sides-
and
I
would
say
one
of
our
biggest
strengths-
is
we're
able
to
pivot
and
flow.
In
other
words,
we
we
don't
believe
we
walk
in
the
door
with
all
the
answers.
We're
looking
to
the
community
and
decision
makers
to
ask
questions
of
you
and
to
hear
the
questions
you
have
to
ask
to
help
us
get
to
the
best
possible
solution
for
cupertino.
A
G
Thank
you,
mayor
paul,
so
I
have
three
questions.
The
first
one
is,
I
guess
you
answered
it
already
that
we
could
learn
or
you
could
invite
us
on
what
what
you
have
learned
from
hcd's
revision
requests
for
cities
that,
from
the
southern
part
of
the
california,
that's
already
going
through
the
process
right
right,
we're
more
of
an
advantage
place.
The
second
is,
I
see
the
dates,
it's
very
general
for
2021
to
start
it
is
for
2021..
Do
you
have
any
initial
dates
like
outreach
or
or
do
you
have
have
you
any?
G
F
F
I
I'm
sorry
my
video
is
not
so
and
I
have
similar
question.
It
seems
I
know
that
we
are
pretty
late
in
getting
started
and
then
but
then
the
dates
range
is
still
very
vague
at
this
point
this
is
october
and
we
you
are
proposing
11
public
meetings,
two
community
meetings,
stakeholder
meetings
and
some
workshops.
F
C
If
I
may
finally
answer
that
vice
mayor
ciao
hugo
planning
manager,
we
have
actually
had
only
one,
we
have
one.
We
had
our
first
kpop
meeting
with
the
consultants
just
this
past
week.
As
you
may
recall,
the
consultant
contract
was
authorized
two
weeks
ago,
and
so
with
that
we
started
engaging
the
consultant.
We
are
trying
to
get
together
the
technical
aspects,
so
you
know
how
to
put
the
map
together
with
cupertino
data,
etc.
C
I
So
the
site
inventory
depends
on
the
interest
of
property
owners,
and
so
how
would
we
be
sure
that
we
reach
out
to
all
the
property
owners?
So,
as
I
understand,
we
need
them
to
show
interest
before
we
can
put
that
on
our
list.
But
then
how
do
we
make
sure
we
actually
reach
out
to
all
of
them?
And
what's
the
plan
for
that.
C
So
we
will
be
sending
notices
out
to
them
letters
out
to
them.
I'm
not
sure.
If
you
recall
last
time
we
had
sent
individual
property
owners.
Letters
to
you
know,
particularly
where
we
we
thought
that
there
might
be
an
interest
from
a
property
owner
or
where
there
were
sites
that
seemed
feasible
for
development
or
seemed
right
for
development.
At
that
time
we
reached
out
to
them.
We
sent
letters
to
them.
C
J
Thank
you
and
thank
you
erica
for
the
for
the
report.
I
did
have
some
questions
on
the
chart.
I
think
it's
page.
Eight
housing
element
update
the
engagement
chart
where
you
have
the
jurisdictions
and
I'm
curious.
I
just
want
to
be
reminded-
are
our
surrounding
jurisdictions
on
the
same
timeline
that
we
are.
K
I
apologize.
I
couldn't
find
my
unmute
button.
John
martinez,
cupertino's
plan
department,
senior
planner.
Yes,
you
know
there
are
some.
There
are
certain
jurisdictions
are
ahead
of
us
in
the
process.
However,
there
are
many
that
are
on
the
same
same
timeline
as
we
are,
including
los
gatos
city
of
sunnyvale,
that
are
that
are
starting
now
and
some
haven't
even
started,
or
even
as
far
as
we
are
in
the
process
in
terms
of
engaging
a
consultant
in
a
timeline.
J
L
So
I
could,
I
could
answer
quickly
about
ab686
and
and
then
I
think
I
turn
it
over
to
the
planning
team
to
ask
our
answer
to
some
of
the
planning
specific
questions.
So
ab686
is
the
affirmative
affirmative,
furthering
fair
housing
requirements,
legislation
that
was
adopted
by
the
state
in
2018
and
that
informs
the
the
equity
focus.
That
andy
is
talking
about
in
her
presentation.
J
Okay,
thank
you,
but
I'm
a
little
when
I'm
looking
at
the
housing
element
update
engagement
from
the
other
cities,
I'm
seeing
mountain
view
has
one
survey
does
does
this?
Does
ab686
then
mean
that
we
need
to?
You
know,
go
look
at
what
our
neighbors
are
having
for
their
surveys,
what
output
that
they're
getting
who's
who's
signing
up
for
it,
not
each
city,
they
don't
all,
have
these
these
surveys.
Even
so,
I'm
wondering
how
how
that's
going
to
be
kept
track
of.
A
Okay,
well,
let
me
stop
you
there.
I
started
the
clock
again
after
chris's
answer
about
a
half
minute
in
my
time.
So
so
let
me
do
this,
since
we
are
kind
of
on
a
a
set
endpoint
at
around
6
40.
I'll
circle,
back
to
councilman,
willie
john
there's
about
maybe
a
minute
and
a
half
left
of
my
time,
and
then
I
will
go
to
the
attendees
and
members
of
the
public,
but
then
I've
set
five
minutes
for
each
of
us
for
the
rest.
H
Yeah,
so,
okay,
so
now
we've
kind
of
done
a
lot
of
the
health
keeping
twitter
feed.
So
the
next
question
is:
are
we
starting
with
a
clean
slate?
I
mean
this
is
going
to
be
the
sixth
cycle,
a
lot
of
what
we've
already
approved
didn't
get
filled.
Are
we
starting
with
a
clean
cycle
or
a
clean
slate
and
saying
if
we
designate
sites
that
have
already
been
approved,
do
they
count.
C
F
Yes,
there
there
are
requirements
for
reusing
sites
and
it
depends
on
whether
it
has
been
used
in
the
last
two
cycles
or
in
the
last
single
cycle,
and
so
there
are
specific.
There
is
specific
guidance
from
hcd
and
multiple
different
approaches
to
that.
So
we'll
be
working
through
that
and
sharing
that
information
with
you
through
the
website.
F
H
C
A
E
Thank
you,
mayor
darcy,
I'm
jennifer,
griffin
and
I've
been
coming
to
the
city
council
on
planning
commission
meetings
since
2000
when
my
neighborhood,
which
was
in
the
county
annexed.
So
this
is
our
second
or
third
housing
cycle.
I
will
tell
you
personally
that
this
one
is
much
much
more
uproarious
than
any
of
the
others.
Welcome
to
emc.
E
Thank
you
for
taking
on
our
housing
element
in
cupertino.
Thank
you
to
our
intrepid
staff
for
work
walking
forward
into
this.
I
think
that
I
will
tell
you
right
now.
I
have
lost
all
confidence
in
my
governor
because
of
him
signing
us
be
nine
and
ten.
I
question
his
judgment
in
signing
all
the
housing
bills.
I
think
that
they
have
thrown
even
more
up
for
into
the
housing
element,
especially
for
cupertino.
E
I
do
not
agree
with
the
increased
arena
numbers
they
are
outrageous,
and
that
is
something
because
they
used
plan
bay
area,
I'm
very
very
much
in
disagreement.
Therefore,
we
have
to
march
forward.
I
respect
the
fact
that
the
staff
and
emc
understand
that
there
are
a
lot
of
different
opinions
about
what
is
happening
in
california,
especially
with
the
housing
element,
and
therefore
we
need
to
try
to
persevere.
E
My
I
have
several
questions.
My
gut
basic
route
thinking
is
that
they
just
want
to
basically
upzone
every
piece
of
property
in
california.
So
on
that
non-neutral
note,
I
one
my
first
question
is:
when
is
the
land
that
is
involved
in
the
housing
element?
Actually
physically
rezoned?
When
does
that
physically
occur?
I've?
Never
I
mean
when
it
actually
goes
down
onto
the
deed
of
the
properties.
E
Does
if,
if
we
do
zoning,
that
is
high
density,
this
round
of
the
housing
cycle,
does
it
stay
that
way
for
many
years?
And
then
next
year
are
we
going
to
have
hyper
inflated?
We
have
5
000
housing
units.
Now.
Are
we
going
to
have
10
000
next
year?
I
mean.
When
does
this
end,
and
I
have
a
question
too:
how
does
sb9
and
sb10
affect
our
housing
element,
especially
since
these
little
gems
are
supposed
to
be
dumped
on
us
in
january?
First,
unless
they're
overturned
by
ten
seconds?
E
M
Good
evening,
council
members,
my
name
is
kalisha
webster
and
I
am
a
housing
advocate
for
people
with
intellectual
and
developmental
disabilities,
with
housing
choices
as
a
direct
service
provider,
helping
people
with
developmental
disabilities
in
cupertino
and
throughout
santa
clara
county
find
independent
housing
as
well
as
a
ces
assessment
provider.
We
see
firsthand
every
day
the
growing
need
for
people
with
developmental
disabilities
to
have
access
to
affordable
and
accessible
housing
as
more
group
homes
are
closing
and
many
are
living
at
home
with
aging
parents
due
to
the
functional
limitations
of
their
disability.
M
Many
of
our
clients
rely
upon
ssi
with
a
maximum
monthly
payment
of
955
dollars
per
month
as
a
major,
if
not
sole
source
of
income.
Those
who
do
work
typically
are
in
low-wage
part-time
jobs,
make
it
extremely
difficult
to
qualify
even
for
the
most
affordable
rents
due
to
the
high
area
median
income
in
santa
clara
accounting.
M
M
This
last
lack
of
accessible,
affordable
housing
for
all
members
of
the
disability
community
contributes
to
the
higher
prevalence
of
disability
status
among
people
who
are
homeless
and
at
risk
of
homelessness.
This
should
cities
should
also
make
sure
they
are
actively
engaging
with
people
at
all
income
levels,
such
as
renters,
in
fair
market
and
below
market
rate
housing.
M
The
respondent
to
the
housing
element,
engagement
efforts
should
reflect
the
diversity
of
cupertino
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
over
the
next
eight
years,
we
are
creating
housing
that
better
serves
all
members
of
the
community
and
not
just
those
with
the
privilege
of
housing
security,
making
sure
that
all
community
members
are
living
in
safe,
stable
housing
will
not
only
benefit
those
at
risk
of
displacement
or
homelessness.
It
creates
a
more
sustainable,
safer
and
healthier
community,
healthier
sorry
community
for
all.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
so
much
felicia
and
we'll
take
this
back
to
council.
At
this
point,
I
have
the
order
of
hands
being
vice
mayor,
ciao,
councilmember
moore,
followed
by
council
member
willie
councilman
away.
You
still
have
roughly
half
a
minute
from
your
previous
allocation,
otherwise
the
rest
of
us
each
have
five
minutes.
Vice
mayor
joe.
I
Okay,
first
I'd
like
to
share
a
list
of
sites
that
I
shared
with
the
former
city
manager
or
earlier
last
year
when
she
tried
to
did
try
to
do
a
housing
survey
last
time.
These
are
the
list
of
sites
she
included
in
her
survey
and
and
then
I
realized
when
we
did
the
housing
survey
this
year
we
omitted
a
lot
of
actual
potential
sites
and
most
of
the
sites
we
included
are
not
so
we
included
even
some
of
the
sites
that
already
have
approved
project.
I
So
these
are
the
sites
that
should
be
considered,
and
then
I
also
email
this
list
of
other
sites
that
I
think
are
missing.
For
example,
the
entire
area
around
the
post
office,
where
there
is
a
small
shopping
mall
with
the
starbucks,
for
example,
and
the
area
waste
of
post
office
and
some
small
areas
along
foothill
and
above
road
area.
I
That's
not
included
in
the
area
right
across
from
the
back
hill
on
the
north
side
of
stephen's
creek,
and
we
have
area
that
since
on
south
85
indians,
where
yamaguchi
nursery
is
located
and
we
have
small
shopping
center
at
the
northwest
corner
of
the
asap
prospects.
So
these
are
the
full
list
that
I
have
shared
with
the
city
manager,
but
I
don't
think
it's
ever
shared
with
the
council,
so
I
just
want
to
put
this
on
the
record
first
and
then.
My
question
is,
for
I
understand
that
it's
mentioned
that
we
have
housing
commission.
I
Therefore,
we
don't
need
a
citizens
advisory
committee.
However,
in
the
last
housing
element
cycle,
I
don't
think
the
housing
commission
was
ever
involved
in
any
way.
So
if
we
would
like
the
housing
commission
to
be
actively
involved,
I
hope
next
time,
when
the
staff
present,
we
will
see
how
we
could
actively
involve
utilize,
the
housing
commission
in
the
process
and
then
the
next
is
and
and
and
yeah.
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
complex
info
like
what
whether
a
site
can
be
counted
in
this
cycle
and
yeah.
I
I
think
I
understand
that
this
this
cycle
we
have,
we
need
to
provide
the
affirmatively
for
further
housing
under
the
state
law.
However,
I
am
curious
what
type
of
policies
a
city
can
adopt
two
more
minutes
left,
because
we
can
control
who
moves
into
our
city.
We
can
say
no
more
asians,
because
we
have
too
many
and
we
can
control
the
market
rate
rate.
We
can
say,
let's
just
approve
this
lousy
low,
quad
quality
apartment
so
that
the
rent
wouldn't
be
too
high.
I
We
can
do
that,
then,
how,
as
the
city,
we
can
provide
policies
and
also
in
terms
of
substantive
housing.
The
city
only
get
five
percent
of
the
one
percent
of
property
tax
people
get.
The
rest
goes
to
the
county
and
the
state
without
funding.
How
could
the
city
provide
the
subsidized
housing
to
force
for
the
equity
goal?
Can
can
the
consultant
provide
some
insights?
Thank
you.
J
Okay,
thank
you.
So
I
did
not
get
an
answer
regarding
sb9
and
the
impact
and
it
will
hcd
be
providing
some
guidance
on
that.
Are
we
able
to
take
the
number
of
units
that
we
have
currently
and
use
a
percentage
of
those
units
in
order
to
come
up
with
what
total
we
might
have?
I
also
have
the
sb
35
question
regarding
if
those
units
are
going
to
count
on
our
next
cycle
and
I'm
also
concerned
that
our
land
use
designations,
don't
end
up
worsening
the
housing
shortage
on
some
of
these
sites.
J
If
we
have
a
land
use
designation
which
would
not
allow
for
adequate
housing
for
the
amount
of
office
or
or
commercial
space
on
a
mixed-use
project,
I'm
I'm
very
worried
that
that
will
be
a
problem,
but
I
did
read
something
from
our
2014
general
plan,
eir,
which
I
would
like
to
have
an
explanation
for,
and
it
said
under
the
proposed
project.
Let's
see
for
den
it's
regarding
density.
This
says
the
city
currently
calculates
residential
density
is
gross
density,
which
is
the
number
of
units
divided
by
the
acreage
of
the
entire
area.
J
Under
the
proposed
project,
the
city
would
change
the
process
of
calculating
residential
density
to
net
density,
which
is
the
number
of
units
divided
by
the
acreage
of
residential
land.
The
residential
density
under
the
proposed
project,
as
described
in
this
chapter,
has
been
calculated
by
net
density.
I
was
wondering
if
staff
could
explain,
are
we
using
net
density
or
gross
density
at
this
point
and
what?
What
are
the
differences
between
them?
Thank
you.
C
Yes,
I
can
actually
take
that
question,
so
there
was
a
definition
of
what
a
gross
law
area
was,
and
that
included
a
certain
amount
of
land
that
would
be
inclusive
of
the
public
right-of-way
up
to
30
feet,
I
believe,
into
the
center
line
or
in
some
cases,
to
the
center
line
of
the
street
and
residential
density
used
to
be
calculated.
Based
on
that
gross
lot
area,
which
was
which
included
a
portion
of
the
stream.
J
Okay,
thank
you
so,
and
it
also
would
be
the
entire
lot,
so
it
wouldn't
be
that
only
portions
of
the
property
would
be
at
that
density
would
be
the
you
would
get
the
number
of
units
times
the
entire
correct.
Okay,
thank
you
and
did
you
pew?
Did
you
happen
to
have
an
answer
about
sp9?
If
you
know
anything
about
that
and
then
the
sp
35
question?
Thank
you.
J
Okay
well
in
in
my
mind,
because
it
allows
the
lot
splitting
or
the
duplexes
across
all
of
the
single
family,
residences
and
and
actually
we
also
have
the
adu
law,
but
we'll
put
that
aside
for
now,
I
it
would
seem
that
there
could
be
a
foreseeable
number
of
units
generated
from
sp9
and
that
it
would
be
unfair
to
the
city
to
not
be
allowed
to
anticipate
that
being
used,
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
there
is
some
guidance
coming
from
hcd
at
this
point,
for
what
do
we
say
is
it?
Is
it
10?
J
Is
it
5
15
I
mean
we
need
to
have
something
you
know
for
for
this
change.
That's
happened,
I'm
hoping
and
then
with
sb
35.
Let's
assuming
that
they,
let's
say
in
in
a
year
and
a
half
two
years
they
pull
the
building
permits
is
do
do
we
get
our
our
credit
for
that
side
of
the
property
at
that
time
or
not?
Thank
you.
C
So
for
the
espn
s9
question,
that's
an
excellent
question.
Those
two
thoughts
have
been
going
through
our
minds
as
well,
and
I
know
we
kind
of
brought
it
up
with
the
mcu
as
well.
We've
also
brought
it
up
with
the
santa
clara
planning
collaborative
to
understand
how
how
many
units
can
we
use
from
that?
C
You
know
my
understanding,
based
on
the
discussions
that
have
occurred
so
far,
is
that
there
have
to
be
further
discussions
with
hce,
and
there
have
to
be
certain
assumptions
that
the
tv
needs
to
buy
into
for
us
to
figure
out
how
many
of
those
units
we
can
actually
count
towards
our
arena.
So
we're
still
working
that
out.
We
don't
have
any
information
more
information
to
share.
Unfortunately,
I
wish
I
did
I
as
for
purposes
of
adus.
C
For
example,
there
was
a
large
adu
survey
that
was
conducted
by
our
planning
collaborative
and
there
was
a
certain
income
level.
You
know
that
was
proposed
by
them
to
hcd
and
my
understanding
is
that
might
be
accepted
by
hcd,
so
that
might
be
the
income
levels
that
we
could
potentially
use
for
our
ad
use
for
the
upcoming
cycle.
As
an
example,
so
we
were
wondering
how
we
would
come
about.
You
know
determining
how
we
would
account
for
the
sb9
units,
so
we
haven't
there's
no
conclusion
on
that.
C
C
A
H
Yeah,
hopefully
the
public
member
kalisha
is
still
on
the
line.
It
sounds
like
she's
very
knowledgeable
for
individuals
with
mental
challenges,
but
I
have
a
question
for
her.
It
sounded
like
she
said
that
the
group
homes
or
group
facilities
are
closing
I'd
like
to
understand
that
if
she's
still
online
and
then
I
have
a
couple
questions
that
she
might
also
be
able
to
answer.
K
H
She
can
on,
she
can
definitely
email
us
after
the
meeting.
So
let
me
just
kind
of
go
on
with
my
questions,
and
maybe
your
staff
can
pick
the
ball
up
and
run
with
it
after
the
meeting.
So
at
any
rate,
yes,
here
we
are,
you
know
needing
to
be
fully
inclusive
and
mental
disability,
like
she's,
saying,
are
not
being
covered
where
physical
challenges
are
so
that
being
said.
Well,
how
can
we
maybe
get
mental
challenged?
People
accommodated
in
our
housing
element?
Okay,
what
I'm
kind
of
putting
out
are
a
bunch
of
puzzle.
H
Pieces
we've
got
westport,
which
you
know
is
a
has
a
lot
of
seniors,
but
not
all
senior,
and
yet
they
were
able
to
integrate
in
a
20
unit
memory
care
requires
a
lot
of
services
and
so
the
the
mental
challenge,
individuals,
I
feel,
would
also
need
a
lot
of
services.
So
when
I
hear
that
the
group
homes
that
would
be
able
to
leverage
the
services
closing,
you
know,
I
think
in
the
discussion
that
she
had
was
kind
of
indicating
provide
for
people
with
mental
challenge
that
are
affordable.
H
But
I'm
thinking
you
know
the
the
facilities
and
things
that
are
truly
needed
if
we
were
to
say
affordable
homes
and
affordable
for
mentally
challenged
people.
Yet
it's
not
you
know
able
to
services
in
this
form.
I
think
we
wind
up
stuck,
so
I
I'd
really
like
to
figure
out.
Maybe
she
has
some
some
information.
H
How
we
could
you
know
propose
to
a
developer
like
westport,
to
put
in
some
type
of
a
facility
for
mentally
challenged
people
where
they're
going
to
be
able
to
leverage
all
the
facility.
If
it's
a
400
unit,
complex
and
10
units
were
intended
for
mentally
challenged
with
the
support
services,
they
need
I'm
putting
that
out
there
to
try
and
wow.
Can
we
do
something
with
this
piece
of
the
of
the
game?
How
can
we
also
include
that
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that?
A
Great,
thank
you
councilman
rolly.
I
I
note
that
kalisha
put
her
hand
down
and
put
it
back
up,
so
maybe
she
reset
her
device.
So
let
me
try
to
see
if
this
works
again,
you
try
one
more
time:
kalisha,
okay.
Unfortunately,
we
can't
we
can't
hear
okay,
let's
see
it
looks
like
we
have
a
hand
up
from
vice
mayor
ciao,
vice
mayor
child,
your
your
your
time
did
expire.
Let
me
check
in
with
council
member
way
who.
A
I
So
the
last
question
I
had
was
how
the
housing
element
could
help
with
on
the
affirmatively
further
housing
policy,
because
a
lot
of
things
are
beyond
the
city's
control
we
can
control
who
moves
in.
We
can
control
how
high
the
rent
goes.
We
can
we
can
control
how
much
funding
the
state
gives
us
for
to
subsidize
housing.
So
how
what
kind
of
things
other
cities
are
doing
or
which
city
is
looking
at
in
the
housing
element,
curious.
F
One
concept
of
courses
is
the
idea
of
dispersing
affordable
housing
opportunities
throughout
a
community
so
that
it's
not
segregated
into
only
one
area.
So
that's
an
example
of
how
policy
can
also
correlate
with
a
site
inventory
but
we'll
be
bringing
all
kinds
of
ideas
forward,
and
one
opportunity
also
is.
I
Could
you
maybe
point
out
some
finish
the
housing
element
by
that
that
has
come?
I
want
to
see
concrete
examples
of
how
it's
done
in
terms
of
policy,
because
equity
could
even
equity
score.
A
lot
of
times
is
very
subjective,
and
if
you
say
we
want
don't
want
to
segregate,
but
low-income
housing
needs
to
be
near
transit,
then
invariably
it's
going
to
be
in
certain
areas
where
the
cities
there
are
chosen
and,
for
example,
I've
seen
equity
being
used
to
actually
create
inequity.
I
For
example,
recently
cusd
is
trying
to
close
certain
schools
that
actually
will
be
in
favor
of
alternative
schools.
They
are
saying:
oh,
we
want
equity
for
alternative
schools,
but
alternative
schools
serves
only
0.5
of
the
income
population
that
in
their
school
community,
which
is
actually
serves
the
most
privileged
students,
so
using
the
word
equity
they
actually
created
inequity.
So
I
would
like
to
see
concrete
policy
that
actually
works
and
also
the
idea
that
a
small
city
like
cupertino
could
actually
because
we
are
not
like
oakland.
I
F
It
can
be
recognized
as
as
not
being
the
case
and
that
that's
true
for
some
of
the
revision
requests
that
we've
seen
through
hcd,
so
the
required
meaningful
actions
that
is
through
ab686
or
affirmatively,
furthering
fair
housing
requirements.
Will
I
I
I'm
inspired
to
share
some
examples
of
that,
maybe
through
our
website.
So
your
question
can
have
a
direct
relationship
to
how
we
construct
our
website
and
what
we
share
on
that
website
and
that's
true
for
the
whole
community.
A
J
Okay,
thank
you.
I
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
that
the
low
income
housing
tax
credits,
as
I
understand
it,
it
seems
to
favor
non-dispersal
so
in
in
the
project
which
council
member
willie
mentioned
with
the
with
regards
to
the
the
memory
care
units,
the
27
memory
care
units,
the
below
market
rate
senior
units
were
all
placed
in
in
one
building
and
and
and
the
reason
was
we
were
given
was
for
financing.
So
I
I
think
we
have
some
some
things
that
are
working
across
purposes.
J
I'm
also
concerned.
So
I
brought
up
the
valco
project
that
project
for
the
very
low
and
low
income
units.
They
were
small,
388
square
foot,
studios
and
528
square
foot,
one
bedrooms
which
seem
to
be
discriminating
against
families
with
children
who
might
want
their
children
to
come
to
our
school
districts
and-
and
that's
that
that
was
a
concession
that
was
made.
Is
there
some?
Are
we
going
to
be
in
trouble
with
hcd
if
we
continue
to
allow
developers
to
to
choose
these
concessions
and
apparently
discriminate
against
families
with
children
moving
forward?
C
I'd
just
like
to
state
that
I
think
we
will
be
considering
all
of
our
policy
options
with
regard
to
making
sure
that
we
leave
equity
into
all
of
our
policies
and
present
options
legally
viable
options
for
the
council
to
consider
and
adopt,
and
we
also
like
I
said
we
have
to
make
sure
that
it
passes
muster
within
c.
So
at
this
point
I
don't
think
we
have
a
concrete
answer
to
that,
but
that's
the
best
response
I
can
give
you.
H
Yeah
fairly
quick
one
this
one
so
because
of
the
importance
of
this
housing
element
and
the
impacts
that
it'll
have
on
our
community,
I'd
like
to
suggest
that
we
have
a
actual
schedule
of
when
we
can
get
updates
from
staff
in
our
city
council
meetings.
I
know
we're
always
loaded
in
our
city
council
agenda,
but
this
is
so
important
that
I
I'd
really
like
to
you
know:
have
a
good
understanding.
It's
going
to
come
back,
say
a
month
from
now
with
a
brief
update
of
two
months
from
now.
H
A
G
No
problem,
I
have
just
one
real
quick
question,
so
I
I
think
the
piecemeal
approach
might
not
work
so
we'll
be
able
to
get
a
more
holistic
view
of
you
know
the
6
000
units
we're
looking
at.
So
if
we're
doing
a
piece
meal,
it's
very
hard
to
you
know
allocate.
So
what?
What
is
the
consultant's
approach.
C
C
In
essence,
our
arena
is
45.88
which
may
change
when
the
final
arena
is
adopted
at
the
end
of
the
year
and
then
the
buffer
is,
you
know,
dependent
on
what
we
can.
You
know
come
up
with
as
a
and
have
a
justification
for
atv.
With
regard
to
having
a
holistic
view,
I
think
those
mapping
tools
that
andy
shared
will
be
able
to
help
the
community
and
the
council
envision
where
these
units
might
go.
You
know
in
terms
of
equity,
you
know
how
can
we
get
more
low-income
housing?
C
A
G
A
Great
yeah,
just
generally,
when
we're
on
a
timer
try
to
be
concise
about
your
your
comments,
especially
again,
the
fact
that
that's
cutting
into
you
know,
council
member
allocation
time.
So
that's
that
would
be
much
appreciated
in
the
future
and
then
you
know.
Basically,
you
know
I've
been
listening
very
closely
with
a
lot
of
interest
with
regard
to
our
consultant
here.
A
One
of
the
things
that
I
did
do
was
I
checked
in
with
los
altos
recently
los
gatos
rather,
and
it
does
sound
like
they
have.
You
know
some
different
elements,
but
you
know
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
we
have
the
same
consultant
we're
paying
emc
three
times
more
than
los
gatos,
and
so
I
was
very
appreciative
of
what
I
heard.
A
So
I
think
that's
a
great
beginning,
and
so
you
know
I
do
want
to
reiterate
what
I
said
at
the
end
of
our
last
meeting
on
this,
that
I
would
like
to
see
that
we
get
our
value
for
the
resources
that
we're
putting
into
this,
and
so
one
of
the
things
I
think
that
we
need
to
identify
earlier
rather
than
later,
is
the
public
expectation
of
the
timetable.
When
we'll
have
these
touch
points
with
our
our
public
and
council,
so
if
we
could
get
that
produced,
you
know
with
relative
expedience.
A
That
would
be
much
appreciated.
The
other
thing
I
did
want
to
put
in
a
word
of
support
for
the
developmentally
disabled
housing.
I
know
from
a
legal
perspective.
You
know
you
basically
fall
into
a
very
low
income.
There
is
no
actual
legal
categorization
for
extremely
low
income,
but
it
is
something
that
I
find
very
compelling
and
important
for
our
community.
So
what
we
can
do
there
to
support,
I
would
absolutely
get
behind
that.
Well
we're
rearing
up
on
6
40..
I
want
to
thank
everyone.
A
We
will
have
plenty
of
opportunities
to
check
in
over
the
course
of
this
upcoming
year,
and
so
thanks
very
much
andy
as
well
as
your
colleague.
I
did
see
lauren
from
emc
here
as
well,
and
thank
you
to
our
staff
for
preparing
this.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
adjourn
the
special
meeting,
we'll
reconvene
in
about
five
minutes
at
6
45
for
the
commencement
of
our
regularly
scheduled
meeting
thanks
very
much.