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From YouTube: Cupertino City Council Meeting - June 18, 2019 (Part 1)

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Vallco Study Session (Item 1) and Items 1, 2, 3, 4, Oral Communications, and Items 5, 12, 17, 21 from the Cupertino City Council Meeting of June 18, 2019.

A

Okay, we are pastime and we have any quorum, so we can get started now.

A

Madam city clerk, can you do the roll call, please councilmember.

B

Sinks counts: member Willie, bye, smear ciao here, mayor sharp here.

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Councilmember Palmas Oh, here's your's Darci.

A

Okay, so we're all here, so we have one item in the study session. It's regarding the Valco shopping district, special area, initial initial general plan, amendment I apologize if I'm a little bit out of it. I just came from an overseas flight and went up for 30 hours.

C

So abundance of caution I will recuse myself from this item, even though it's a general plan. Amendment item is not a project proposal, but just to be cautious. Okay,.

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So do we have a report absolutely.

D

Mr. mayor members of the council, we're here tonight to have a study session regarding the Falco shopping district, special area, initial general plan amendments. The general plan provides that if a specific plan is not adopted for the Valco specific plan area by a date, certain that was back in 2018, the City Council will consider removing the residential and office designations from the Valco site and look at alternative options. And that's what we are doing here this evening. This would be for an initial plan.

D

You earlier directed staff to investigate and come up with a process for a community planning process at the site, and that is still underway, but this is to ensure that there are land use designations at the site that meet community objectives in the short run, all.

A

Right so we can come back and add housing back at that site right. Oh absolutely! Okay, absolutely.

D

The the changes that you would be discussing tonight also would not apply to the SB 35 project right. That project has a vested right, so the that project, as far as the city's land use plans and everything the city staff, is processing it and accordance with the law and everything is moving forward. So the staff report presents three options: option one would be removing the office and the housing at the site and proceeding with scenario B, which involves up zoning.

D

Several areas around the city, as contemplated in the general plan general plan, recognized that it might not be feasible to get a specific plan in time and so set that up as an alternative that you are not required to proceed with scenario. B just have to consider it option. 2 would remove the office but retain the housing at the Val Coe site and remove the requirement that there be a specific plan before the housing be developed and the way option B is presented.

D

It would keep the 389 housing units that were contemplated in the general plan and the housing element. When it was adopted. The then option C would be to do nothing and just leave things as they are. There are obviously many details, but you know we have a short time tonight. So I will stop talking and answer questions.

A

Great, so even without those 389 I think we're we do meet the arena. Arena number airily right well,.

D

You've you've you've got the things designated, but the the 389 as part of a priority housing site and under state law. We have to keep the land the number of units we have designated and priority housing sites available. Okay,.

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D

We can't simply get rid of the 389 and not do anything else.

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Okay, we have any speaker cards.

A

Great so I've got about six here you each get three minutes. First, is Edward Hirschfeld, followed by Michael Lenihan, followed by for Reba amnesia or any shot. Welcome, may.

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Name is Ed Hirschfeld I'm a 57 year homeowner in Cupertino I, don't understand what you just said, sir. You said the SP thirty-five project is vested yep you're seeking to change the zoning related to that property. Is that what I heard you say.

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D

Can respond the we are changing the general plan and the zoning for the council is discussing whether they want to proceed with that. Regardless of that change, the SB 35 project would be allowed to proceed.

E

Okay, so the project is allowed to proceed as presently defined, and there is nothing in this that would inhibit that to take place.

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I had been concerned because it seemed to me that if there was a vested plan- and there was an attempt by the city to change it ex post facto- that the city would be liable for all costs incurred and as I've determined, those costs are about four hundred million dollars at this point, and so I would hate to see a four hundred million dollar judgment against all the residents of the city, so I'm very concerned about that and very opposed to the zoning change if it has any impact on that project. Proceeding that's my point.

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Okay, next is uh Michael and a hand followed by for Reba.

F

So hi my understanding is: this is kind of Plan B type zoning for valco. If the lawsuit rules against SB 35, then then these changes would take effect. Is that correct? Then then this would this would become the plan of record. Is that am I understanding correctly because it doesn't make sense to change zoning laws on something where you're already building there's already a plan that lives.

A

I mean okay. If that plan doesn't go forward for whatever reason right, I so.

F

I guess my point is I, don't agree with eliminating the housing in the retail space here, I mean we're in the middle of a housing crisis. Every single city has to step up and and try to solve it. We can't just assume that some other suburb is going to do it and so I think we should.

F

You know either stick with the original specific plan that was approved or approve one that has at least as much retail and office and homes, as as that plan, in my opinion, III know all these young professionals at Apple that can't afford to live in Cupertino I mean these are guys that work at R&D and Apple and they still can't afford a house here. I mean it's ridiculous.

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A

Yes, thank you. Next, we have for Reba, followed by Kevin McClelland, followed by Greg Schaffer. Welcome for Eva good.

G

Evening, honorable mayor and honorable council member, my name is Fadi Zbornak shot and I live in Cupertino for over three three decades and I do support the previous Varco plan with affordable housing and more housing, since this bring more diversity to the city. Also I have a letter from another resident who was asking me to read it for you. He said this letter is from Earvin cranes lair.

G

She said, I am Cupertino, homeowner homeowner and it sickened me to see what those on our City Council, most of whom didn't get my ward, are doing to sabotage Valco your you have my support and I'm, not I'm out of town and cannot attend tonight, but please feel free to share my sentiments verbally I'm just reading it. You know the letter that she was asking me to read it for you, but anyway, this is a very important that we will stick to what we have, especially during this time, which is the home.

G

You know it's very affordable. Housing is really major thing for for all of our hard-working people who are living in the area. Thank you. Hey.

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Thank you. Next Kevin McClellan, followed by Greg Schaffer, followed by Sonja trout's, welcomed Kevin Thank.

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You, mayor and city council, as many of you know, I've been tracking and been a part of this process for a long time as it's been going on for a long time and I would just ask and encourage that you leave the allocations as they stand and allow the current process to continue to move forward. I think that's the majority.

H

What the majority of the citizens of Cupertino would like I think that's what the majority of the citizens of the county would actually really appreciate, and I think that for now there really isn't an urgent need to make a change. So please, if you could I'd appreciate it. Thank you. Okay,.

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Thank you, Greg Schaefer, followed by Sonja trout's, followed by Sujatha venkatrama, welcome, Greg hi.

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My name is Greg Shaffer I have lived in Cupertino for thirty years, I have worked in five startup companies and we were only for the same reason to make money one of those who had something that they could sell actually succeeded.

I

Samuel, of course, is in the same business. They don't make ICS, but their businesses to make money and hopefully do something that people want. Then they will succeed. We had in 2016 measure, C and D measure. D essentially said, and this was from registered voters of Cupertino.

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They did not want Sandhills first Valco plan measure D was defeated. My guess. If we were to take the vote again, it had probably about the same. I am NOT opposed to a particular vowel development per se. I am opposed to the one that's being done now, because this is a simple reason and Silicon Valley.

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My five companies that I worked at were in Sunnyvale and Milpitas, not Cupertino too expensive, who wants a high-rise office, building to burn square feet office building? Who wants that that is becoming obsolete, I, don't know if you know it, but jobs will start disappearing here. Looking towards the future, the people work in semiconductors here know this. My colleagues know it it's some semi, maybe the general people don't know it so building selling with lots of office spaces, building something that will become obsolete. Why do it that's? Why I'm against it?

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You want housing, build it all as housing fill it up with housing. That's it I'm through goodbye, hey.

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Thank you, Greg next Sonia trowel, sorry followed by Sujatha, followed by Lisa Warren, welcome, Sonja hi.

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Yeah, my name is Sonia trows I'm here from California renter is legal advocacy at education fund. We sent you a letter and I'll, hopefully summarize the interesting parts. My organization was started by me and a partner to promote enforcement of state housing laws, because a lot of cities violates a housing law, so in particular one of the options before you is to go to scenario B, which, if you take away the residential allocation from Valco you're. Currently the plan, if you take that away, is to reallocate it to two sites.

J

One of them is the Hamptons apartments and the other one is the Glenn blur Glenbrook apartments and as the names imply, those are apartments. People already live there so before you. If one of your options is that you would prevent the dead mall from becoming housing and promote tearing down existing apartments, displacing people that are there and rebuilding new housing there, so this I think is immoral. You know the dead mall, nobody lives there, it'd be good for it to become housing.

J

It would be bad to tear down an existing housing and cause displacement, and luckily this is also illegal. In 2017 they passed something that they called a B 1397, and now it's called Section six five, five, eight three two and that section says that cities can't allocate can't can't identify sites as suitable for new housing if there's already housing there, unless the city has some really good reasons to believe that that housing is going to be vacated or torn down.

J

You know like something happened like there's a fire and technically it's housing, but really no one lives there.

J

So I just wanted to make sure that you knew that if you're really thinking about going through with scenario B, you could put yourself on the wrong side of state law and also that it's a it would be a very disruptive and pro displacement move which would be bad. Thank you very much.

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Okay, thank you. Next I have Sujatha, followed by Lisa Warren, followed by Neil Struthers welcome, Thank.

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You Mara Thank, You counsel, my name is Sujata Venkatraman and I'm from West Valley, Community Services, the city of Cupertino, is far behind in its affordable housing inventory, so removing housing and removing affordable housing is not an option in the specific plan. If anybody opposing housing or even affordable housing I will highly encourage, come visit best Valley, Community Services, you will see the need. You will see the of the issues that Cupertino residents who are low income are facing on a day-to-day basis, we're right behind the fire station, and that will tell you the story.

K

The real story of the people struggle. We are seeing a 53% increase in need and demand, and most of the clients were coming to us are talking about rent increase housing eviction we feel like we are very. We have actually very concerned that the council is considering an action that so much of time and effort was put in developing a specific plan.

K

I'm. We are recommending that you please stay with the specific plan with the affordable housing and not waste any more time and resources. Thank you. Okay.

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Thank you, Lisa Warren, followed by Neil Struthers, followed by Jennifer Griffin, hello,.

L

I sent an email a couple hours ago. You may have gotten it not had time to read. You may not have gotten it yet so I've brought a copy of it for the record um and I'll read part of it.

L

So what I did was forward an email that revolves sent to friends stating that he just they just now learned of this meeting in this study session, which is a little interesting because last night there was a published article for the San Jose Mercury News, talking about it and both read molds and scott weiner were cool several taught multiple times. So it's not it just now. Learning about it. Legendas been out since last week, as required anyway.

L

I think it's important to note that neither the mercury story or the letter from Reed moulds points out that over a year has passed since the City Council has had the ability to revisit the December 2014 City Council decisions regarding zoning at the Valco shopping district site I'm, not reading this whole thing to you, I just Nord is either the story or the letter acknowledged that each of the three project plans that have been floated for the Valco shopping district since 2014 measure, D s, P 35, and any variation of the Valco specific plans tier two specifically completely exasperate or blow up the jobs housing issue in and around our city.

L

In fact, there's only a miniscule reference to the office at all. This is a recurring theme.

L

The developer tends and those who push for what is in front has been in front of us fail too it seems acknowledged, or they certainly don't bring it to the forefront. The majority of the space is for office. I haven't heard anyone here say they wanted office, even the people that are Pro housing and, of course everyone knows.

L

We need housing, but we truly need it to be affordable, which is a moving target because it's not defined by the way I want to clarify that the hamptons site project has already been approved to tear down and increase the number of apartment units. That's a done deal it's just not built because a developer's not building it.

L

The letter from reid brings back memories of letters that peter pals sent to the City Planning Commission in 2014 prior to closing escrow on the Valco properties, where he essentially demanded and threatened the Planning, Commission and others. It also reminds me of a very sensible and balanced correspondence that was written by Paul Brophy two weeks after that letter from Peter pal I attached both of those letters.

L

Some of you haven't read those because you or may not have because you weren't here in 2014 I, encourage you to read both of those letters specifically our new city manager, I hope, but I do want to okay.

A

Thank you. Lisa next is Neil Struthers, followed by Jennifer Griffin, followed by Jeanne Bedard, welcome, Neil, good.

M

Evening, I'm, here speaking as a private citizen, a citizen who does not live in Cupertino I live in East San Jose I live in a community where 10 people to 20 people live in a house, no bigger than 1,800 square foot. I doubt that's happening in Cupertino.

M

This is an issue that I've been involved in for over four years. As you know, I've seen this council change and with the exception of councilmember rod sinks. This whole council is better Cupertino and their issue and I can tell you you can save yourself a lot of time tonight. It's going to be a four to one vote, to tell staff to follow this direction to rezone Valco, because this is part of better Cupertino plan and they sold you a bill of goods during the election measure see right.

M

This is exactly this is measure C that didn't pass. They told you they were going to get you a better project. There is no better projects, SB 35 or nothing, because if we lose, we the people that need jobs. We the people that need housing, lose this project because of another lawsuit by better Cupertino. That now is trying to defend that.

M

You know this projects over you're going to get an SB 35 project. You had the chance to get a much better project and you told people you were going to do better than that and you're. Not so I can tell you right. Now is a four to one vote, save yourself some time and energy and angst. You don't need to lobby this council. They have their mind, made up.

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Okay, Jennifer Griffin, followed by Jean beador.

N

Good evening City Council we're early tonight this is gonna, be a 2 a.m. er I can tell, but it's lots of good stuff. So the good stuffs beginning now, hi I live in Cupertino I live in Rancho rinconada. The eastern, beautiful and eastern end of Cupertino lived there for many years and what I think is really really interesting about all these discussion of Valco.

N

You know we had retail there I shopped there, all the time, I don't shop there anymore, because we lost all our retail I shop in Capitola I shop in I was shopping at El Paseo. Until that mall started going under, we lost the Lucky's and it's God knows where it's going.

N

But what I really find interesting is that all these people, who don't have children that live and attend Cupertino High School, are telling everyone in the East End of Cupertino how lucky they are that all the 3 million trillion high school students from Valco are going to be going to Cupertino High School.

N

It really makes me happy and excited to know that every other person in Cupertino who doesn't have children at Cupertino, High, School and every other City who don't have children going to Cupertino High School, get to tell us in the East End how grateful we should be that we should be having our high school overloaded by an overloaded shopping center with too much housing. Ok, that's the Rancho perspective.

N

I bet a lot of people, don't realize that the Fort Bay project, which is taking over meridian Plaza at Kylie and Stevens Creek in beautiful West San Jose, with their Stevens Creek Boulevard urban village. They approved 800 housing units there. All those wonderful, high school students will be going to Cooper. You know high school too. A lot of people don't know that that's the school boundaries for Fremont Unified they're not going to Lynbrook they're, not going to prospect they're going to Cupertino high school. Why is that? Why are we letting this happen?

N

Well, that's why people in the East End are upset. We feel like our high school is being used as the guinea pig or the lamb the sacrificial lamb for everyone else, because no one else has their high school impacted. Let's take the load of students and put him in mana Vista, god forbid. Sorry Cupertino, let's put him in Prospect High School. Let's put him in mini. Let's put him in the sunny sunny, sunny, avails high schools, okay, I'm reading out of time, I don't want anything over four stories: I want retail, limited housing.

N

You need to protect the double row of ash trees on Stevens Creek Boulevard in front of Sears because they are in the urban village. Regardless of what anyone says. Thank you. Thank.

A

You Jennifer next I have Jean boudoir, followed by donessa tech. Masky welcome, Jean.

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Good evening, mayor sheriff and honorable council, my name is Jean bhadori and I object to this study session tonight. This was called less than a week ago. Your new city manager has been here what two weeks it should have been scheduled in September when the general public is back in town. A lot of people are gone during this time period. They have kids and they're vacationing.

O

Secondly, this item Echo's measure C, which failed 61 percent to 39 percent. This is irresponsible. Government I urge you to leave the allocations as they are and take the no action tonight. Thank you.

A

Okay, thank you. Last is donessa tech. Netsuke welcome, donessa.

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Good evening, mayor.

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Council and staff, and welcome to our new city manager, my name's janessa tech, Manske I'm, a Cupertino resident of 32 years first I want to say that I was not impressed by San Hills and Scott weiners accusations against our city and better Cupertino, and this morning's Business Journal I'm really getting sick of them. Trying to sell the narrative that we don't want housing at Valko. No, we don't want an excessive office that will dig us deeper into the housing hole of Elko.

Q

Secondly, I want to make it clear again that better Cupertino is number one concern right now is balance housing, the reflects actual public needs and both type and income for the jobs that we have already created at Apple and elsewhere.

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Obviously, Sandhills number one goal is profit and meeting the margins of their benefactors in Abu Dhabi, who have been funding most of their purchases, purchase recent purchases in Silicon Valley. You know what could be more attractive to foreign investors in office, space and luxury housing next, most profitable company in the world. It appears that public welfare and compromise are not in their lexicon developers and politicians are wining and dining our young people with promises of plentiful, affordable, housing, more likely cheap 375 square foot, cracker boxes emits unbearable traffic and dirty air.

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Every proposal the Sandhill is made whether it's a hills of Alko tier 2 or their creative version of SB 35 makes Cupertino housing and balance far worse than it already is even California's. Most prestigious economist and housing expert experts agree that builds like SB. 35 are going to make housing more expensive and drive at all, but the better paid tech workers sounds like Sam, Hill and weiner are talking up both sides of their mouth.

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It's angio wines about housing, senator wieners, getting involved in cupertino, which isn't even his jurisdiction, yet he's rallying for project developer and housing bills that will entitle more office and luxury units that will make her housing imbalance and costs. Far worse has anyone looked into his campaign funds and pet projects lately to see how many big tech, real estate and developers are contributing, including San Hill?

Q

It's rather enlightening note also that Sandhills, employee Candice Gonzalez is on the cost of steering commitee, pushing the very housing bills that they're using against us I'm tired of the narrative. The cupertino is responsible for housing. Anyone who wants to live here Cupertino is responsible for housing, the workers for the jobs that we have created, as is every other city. You show me one other landowner or developer. That's demanded such entitlements or that's bullied us threatened us or maligned our city and its residents like Sandhill.

Q

They don't own our city, only a piece of land like everyone else here our city needs to stand strong for housing at Valco that balances our community's needs with only enough office that is necessary to fund the BM, our housing or any other critical needs. That includes our growing senior housing and service needs, which is which is a whole nother subject, and that SH s HP is likely to ignore. Thank you. Hey.

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Thank You donessa next they have kitty more followed by Angela Roush. So if anyone else that wants to speak, please put your card in now. Thank you. Welcome kitty.

R

Good afternoon City Council I had written February, 22nd, 2018 and I need to say that I'm, just representing myself but more than a year ago, I requested that you move to scenario B and I'd, like to reiterate that that is my preference.

R

I'd also like to see the two million square feet of office removed from the veljko site.

R

It looks as though that has been what the developer has wanted there all along and I, think it's appropriate to remove it and have some discussions about it. And, lastly, there are height limits for Valco. You stated them in the city's er for the Valco specific plan. It's 85 feet for the section which is zoned, planned regional commercial I, mean regional shopping and then 30 feet for planned commercial, which is the seer site and the Sears automotive portion of the site. Okay, thank you.

A

Okay, thank you. Kitty. Next I have Angela Roush, followed by Govind, welcome Angela hi.

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My name is Angela Roush I'm, a resident of Sunnyvale I've been there about 15 years. We need housing. We are also a community and neighbors. My children go to school in Cupertino at Homestead, high school I go to the gym in Cupertino. We are like together, so we need to together build housing. We need to move forward with what has been on the table. I also wanted to just let you know. When we have developers who are willing to build houses, it gets a lot of housing built I built an ad you.

S

It took almost two years to build it's three hundred and thirteen square feet in two years. Please build housing now. Thank you. Okay,.

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Thank you welcome govern'd,.

T

Good evening, Council members, city manager and our city clerk Italian and also incident city manager.

T

First of all, it's very heartening to know that this agenda item has been added. I did send a communication way back on November, 21st or 2017 and for some reason, I never got a response to that. In any case, for the last two decades, Cupertino has always had a very high jobs to housing ratio amongst its neighbors, as well as in the county. There's no rationale to increase this ratio per se and much less reason to allocate an obscene level of office space to one specific project site within Cupertino.

T

In view of this, please consider the following: changes to Table one: remove the office allocation completely set the residential allocation to comply with arena allocation for this site. Three t9 units also reset the GP limits for the Valco site to its pre 2014 level, set maximum height limit and setback and building clear ratios as per pre 2014 limit I I know that this has been what we have been aspiring as many other worker resistance, since 20 pre for 2014 timeframe. I would appreciate if you people consider this seriously.

T

At this point of time, we already have a spirit of bills which are waiting to become laws which will actually take away local control completely. So I would like you to consider this as favorably as possible as soon as possible. Thank you. Okay.

A

Thank You Govan, the last card is Kelsey. Bane's welcome, Kelsey.

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Kelsey, here guess not okay, so that ends the public comment on this item. So we can move on to discussion here. So does anyone wish to start John.

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The traffic was very bad in Harris I apologized, my name is Kelsey Baines I'm, a psychologist, I serve homeless veterans, I'm here representing myself. No one has paid me to be here, so it's been interesting. The last time I was here. I had a very interesting experience to say the least: I waited here until almost 1:00 in the morning to speak about the Valco item.

U

The now mayor, Scharf accused me or suggested I'll say that I was making things up then now vice mayor, Liang Chow was heckling me from the audience and it was just a bizarre experience. But at that meeting, I was really encouraged that the council went with the community's plan to move forward with a plan with a lot of community benefits and instead there's been this lawsuit, and now we're diverting back to the SB 35 plan and I just have to say that it's been very disappointing.

U

The actions that this council has taken I'm not under any illusions that you're going to make a decision that I agree with tonight, so I'm not really gonna try to convince you. But what I'll say is thank you, because, when I lobby, the state government for action on housing, I talk about my experience here and what an example of bad governance, it is so mayor sharp, isn't even making eye contact with me. But you know it's an emergency.

U

The housing crisis people are living on the streets, people are living in their cars, homelessness is up 30% and when you are inactive, when you try to delay housing, it hurts people. So your actions, I think our villainous and I think you are all make for good villains here in Cupertino, you built huge campus and you just keep steaming housing at every turn and it's not acceptable you're making the case for SB 330. So thank you.

A

Okay, so there's one more card, but it came in after I said no more cards, so we won't be reading that one. We don't have that person speak okay, John, so.

W

Obviously we hear an universal message: we need housing, I, agree, I support, house II.

W

We are also here too, we have a duty to represent the residents of Cupertino, yes, we'd like to fix the ills of the entire Bay Area, but we have Cupertino that we have a duty to and get as much housing as we can hearing the the speaker's is very moving.

W

I think it clearly needs to be see, said that 2 million square feet of office or roughly that means around 10,000 workers, and when we talk about adding 2400 or 2600 housing units and 10,000 workers have we helped you there's 7500 more workers that are not going to get into one of those spots? That's going to be in line with those of you who need it. We want that housing for all the residents that that can get those units without having to make the situation worse.

W

Just we need to make sure we're making good decisions for the community and not making it worse. That being said, there are housing sites and projects that have shown they are cost effective. On Lawrence and Monroe is Monticello 825 apartments. There's no office there to be fighting for those units, they're all apartments, but that's fine, there's nuevo at lawrence, expressway and central I drive by both those every day. Nuevo has 950 units.

W

450 for sale units and 500 apartments and no office, it is cost effective to make those I think we can do similar type things at Falco. The one thing we are also missing at Cupertino is a downtown.

W

We had the same developer purchase the piece of land there at tanta on up to close to wolf and he gave it a wonderful name. Main Street. This is going to be Cupertino, Main Street.

W

Let's knock on our doors and ask how many people feel that that is Main Street. Now we have the last large parcel of land and we still need a main downtown area for our community. I, truly believe this can be a win-win situation.

W

It can be a win that the developer is going to make a lot of money. The housing is going to help a lot of people, and the residents can have a significant downtown area.

W

To make that happen, though, I think we do have to make some some decisions tonight, leaving the two million square feet of office.

W

That really hurts the housing issue and prevents Cupertino from having a a true place for our community. So I'm here for the residents I want to hear from every resident in Cupertino. I want to do everything I can to record and make sure I understand those that that support the different types of development and I will always vote for the majority. It won't be what I want.

W

My vote will be for the majority of the residents in Cupertino now, and always so, don't worry that things aren't moving as fast as they should send in your information. We're going to be doing a lot out, we reach, we had a town hall Saturday night and it went really well. The residents were very pleased that we were here to listen to them and we will be doing a lot of outreach in our community going all the different areas for the people that aren't able to come here.

W

We want to hear from them, and again we want to hear from every single one and democracy is. The majority decision is what the elected officials have a duty to represent.

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Okay, Thank You, councilmember Hall, so.

X

I've agreed with what John was saying ever since I was elected at the end of 2014 with regard to removal of the office allocation, I was never in support of it precisely because of the imbalance between jobs and housing and I've never heard a really good response to that, and so I'm consistently still not in support of having that two million square feet of office allocation I think that we need to take a look at the housing and get a number that be agreeable as much as possible.

X

I can I can be flexible with regard to what would get the most number of votes and support tonight, but it seems like we have the allocation of 389 units there, which is roughly 35 dwelling units per acre, spread over 11 acres I, think we should talk about what makes more sense in terms of the overall number that we want to arrive that, but also I, think if we, if we take away the office allocation and stick with our current housing allocation, there I think we still have the opportunity in the future to add back more housing units.

X

If we get the sense that there is a point in time where the developer or the owner of that property wants to go ahead and engage us in a conversation and I commend our mayor for reaching out to the property owner earlier this year. With regard to writing a letter, I was a very nice letter with regard to saying: hey, look, let's sit down, let's talk, let's try to have a conversation about what makes sense that everyone can live with and will be beneficial both for you and the community.

X

To my knowledge, he never got a response on that correct and you know I think it was one of these kind of mass emails, basically saying we're going with SB 35 and you know basically casting aspersions to the current city council, but I I don't want to take up too much of the time because we actually have another session starting at 6:45.

X

But with regard to what's been said in terms of whether the the council has the interests of the community locally and at large in mind, I think you know it's it's it's more fair to say that if you're, really looking at the balance between the number of jobs and housing units you put in that's really the metric and the tool we have to work with. You also have transit moving into that equation, and this council is unified with regard to its desire to make sure that transit is as good as we can make it.

X

But if what we're doing is we're overloading a 50 acre site with so much congestion that we can't balance out and justify the number of housing units that we are delivering in terms of the number of people that we're adding during during the work week and also the people that will become to work here? Where are they going to live? Well? Where is that shortfall going to be whether you say that's 7,000, 8,000, 10,000 or 12,000 jobs?

X

It's still many more jobs than the 2,400 units that are being contemplated or any any number of units that were being contemplated previously and so I have been always consistently questioning. With regard to saying: hey look: you're talking about 2 million square feet of office. Let's, let's have a conversation about that. Whether any is needed not just for the balance part of it, but, of course, for the profitability and what else we could be you know potentially adding to the mix over Valko.

X

This was originally a 1.2 million square foot shopping center and it's been a shopping center for a long time. I think we have community consensus and council consensus at this point that we need to be delivering housing units and so I'm happy to have that conversation with regard to what that number is that we can be placing there I I. Think also when you look at the community amenities, there is an expectation that you know in our community retail is is not dead. You know. This is something that we can.

X

You know put forward as potential amenities. Are there other types of usages of the space that we could be looking at? That could be beneficial for the broader community as well and I, just I just don't know whether it lies within adding you know, such an overwhelming number of jobs visa vie the number of housing units that you're proposing to to put in there. So that's been a consistent four and a half year position I'll stay with it.

X

With regard to the specifics of the proposals, there are three options: mainly I would support option number two with the removal of the office land use, setting a height limit, I, don't know precisely what that height limit would be I, think a range of something in the five to six story, or possibly seven story. You know range would make sense in terms of you know how we go forth from tonight and then, hopefully that will impel a good-faith conversation with all the various stakeholders that are that are in the conversation here.

X

So you know to sum up: yeah at the end of it we we most certainly need the housing units think anyone is going to be advocating. You know removal all together going to option B from our counsel, I think it's been heard pretty loud and clear that the housing units are needed. If you remove both residential and office uses from from BALCO I.

X

Think that, generally, the consensus is that you're not going to be able to get a development on just purely retail uses, even if you were to put say a 50 acre mega meeting space and hotels or something that could be even you know, kind of potentially feasible or viable I. Think it's really one of these things where you have to pick one or the other we're in the middle of a housing crisis. We acknowledge that.

X

So, let's pick the housing and being consistent with my positions from the end of 2014, I would say at this point: remove the office allocation at BALCO, Thanks.

A

Thank you rod thank.

Y

You well, we say we'd like to hear from all the voters we want to hear from every resident this council two months ago, rejected that opportunity and dismissing a vote in a general election on the Valco specific plan we say, we'd like to have more housing and we're serious about finding alternatives to the SB 35 project.

Y

Frankly, if we down zone this property, we give direction to city staff to do that tonight, such that we inhibit any economically feasible project, we're basically sending a message to the state legislature we're sending a message to Governor, Newsom and, frankly, we're sending a message to the court. That's hearing the SB 35 case about our desire to get serious about building a lot of housing which we need and to the developer. We haven't gotten a response. Well, you know what it takes two to tango.

Y

If you want to have a serious conversation, then keep throwing barriers in the way. Keep you know, writing briefs to the court. Keep doing this and that and what we will get right is.

Y

Madhu, you expect a developer to do if they don't think they can negotiate in good faith. I think if we want to get the ship on a positive course, we have to stop throwing out barriers down zoning. This property is putting a sea anchor out and subjecting us to whatever the courts will decide, whatever the state legislature will decide, and yes, we are called out now as an example of a recalcitrant City. That's not really interested in solving this problem. So so it's really nice music I.

Y

You know I think the way that the way you begin to build a relationship with a developer who's. The partner in this is you say: okay, we're gonna. Leave this these allocations alone, we're going to try to engage you in a good-faith effort. We could unwind these lawsuits. We could come up with a plan that you like better than the specific plan great, but by downzoning and taking away the office allocation, I think you're sending a red flag, so I'm, I'm I, think we ought not do that.

Y

I think we ought to trim our sails and get this ship on a positive course, but anything we would do to Zout downs own this at this time, with the SB 35 project at hand is just an invitation to saying you know we're not really serious about picking a project that you and we could agree on together. Thanks great okay,.

A

So I saw in the news yesterday or today, Google just pledged 1 billion dollars for house, including providing land. Microsoft Facebook Kaiser also had been pledging money. Hopefully the biggest company Cupertino Apple will also step up and commit to providing money for housing.

A

Now Darcy mentioned the jobs, housing balance and I recall in 2008, when Bill Clinton spoke at the Democratic National Convention, and he was talking about how they brought for budget surpluses in a row, and it was he said it's was simple, arithmetic and and I just wonder if some of the people that are lobbying for so much office space and so little housing really understand that we're sending the job housing balance makes it worse for workers and low-income people. It doesn't make it better. So please do the arithmetic.

A

No one up here is opposed to building more housing. We are opposed to worsening our jobs, housing balance, which always comes back to bite. Us will get higher rena allocations in the future, because the state will legitimately say: hey you added so many jobs. Where is the housing? And we will say well we're sorry.

A

The council approved all this office, but not enough housing. So we have to get out of this mindset of worsening our jobs, housing ratio over and over again- and one speaker mentioned the hamptons in regard to Plan B. So the Hamptons has already approved to tear down the 342 units and build 942, and that's that's in plan a they wanted, 150 more when I talked to them, I said well.

A

If we gave you 150 more right now, would you consider building instead of delaying, and they said no because they're worried about recessions, construction costs, various other things. So it's not really true that nothing would be torn down under plan. A all of the Hamptons would have to be torn down under plan a and rebuilt with 942, and let's see what.

V

A

Oh, in regard to the a few weeks ago, when the council voted to rescind resolutions and ordinances. Now it is true that signatures were collected and council members, including myself, said we would want to put it on the ballot.

A

And personally, if someone from the property owners organization had shown up at that meeting to lobby for putting on the ballot, the outcome might have been different, but no one did, and the only thing I could take away from that is that they just really didn't want an election at all, because without an election they have a much better talking point in the reality. As the clocks, the one-year clock started when those were rescinded.

A

So a substantially similar specific plan could be brought back within a year instead of waiting til an election in 2020, and who knows what the outcome would be. It would probably be that they would be rescinded anyway, based on previous elections, that we've done that sort of thing, so I agree with Darcy I. Think.

A

The main thing here is removing the 2 million square feet of office personally I'm fine, with a lot more than 389 units that are in plan a we would have to look at various things, including density height, setbacks and school impacts, to decide what an appropriate number would be. We would not take away the retail. The option would still be there to put retail in that's the property owner who bought the land zoned for that retail. So there's no point in taking it away. There's certainly free to put it in or not so.

A

I would support the option where we take away the office allocation, which really isn't an allocation at all. Anyway, it was if there was a specific plan approved. So that's my position on this. Thank you.

A

V

A

So in terms of action to take tonight, this is just a study session, so we will just have the staff come back with.

W

A

I would something about my.

W

Position which I didn't fully say then, is option two I'm. Definitely in favor of keeping the office of the housing allocation that we have got for their removing the the office.

D

W

D

The office I heard the sticking with option 2 in terms of a majority I heard looking at housing, keeping at least the 389, possibly looking at more and looking at Heights I didn't hear anybody talk about anything above 7 stories right.

A

W

Thought I'd like to see it be 5. You know again I toss out these other projects that are successful and there are five stories and.

D

You would would council like something to come back here. Would you like us to take it with up with the Planning Commission from here forward.

X

Take you through the Planning Commission.

A

Take it to them first and that and then to here and then.

X

One one request I have with regard to the housing allocation. If we were to add more to our housing allocation, we don't get credit in this cycle, and so if we could propose a way if staff could go back and propose a way such that we get the housing allocation credits for the next upcoming cycle, then I think that would be pretty useful for us and and more compelling in terms of you know, having the the justification to increase the the number of housing units.

X

So I think this current cycle ends and what 2023 is it? Yes, I'm? Perhaps we could be looking at some kind of phased plan. I mean just doing some very quick math I mean if, if you were looking at 11 acres and 35 dwelling units per acre, that would get you to around the 389 units. But if you are looking at something more significant than that, Valco is roughly divided along wolf between 30 acre part and a 20 acre part on the west and east respectively and you're kind of looking at those.

X

You know particular areas. Maybe you know those proposals could be kind of mapped out with regard to that metric of thirty-five billion units per acre and then applying the 35% density bonus. So so that does get you to very significant numbers. That's that's! That's where I'm at I don't think I would apply the entirety of the whole 50 acre site to a 35 Welling unit per acre metric, but in terms of just putting a good faith effort and also looking out for the interests of our future allocation requirements.

X

I think those are the factors that you could consider in terms of saying, hey, look Cupertino is making a very substantial commitment housing. We don't want to make the housing crisis worse and frankly, taking away local control, and you know basically glossing over elements that will make the housing crisis. Worse is not helping the housing crisis and so I. Think, overall, with that set of you know, directions going forward.

X

I think that really gives us puts us in a good position to say: hey, look we're looking at this from the perspective of how do we deliver more units such that the people that are working locally, have a place to live, and also when you're getting to those numbers you're making it economically viable, so so so that those are just, you know some final, you know, and maybe the majority has different thoughts on it, but well.

A

One thought right: now: we have 15 percent requirement for below market rate, as we increase the number of units on that site. Can we increase the percentage or is it just gonna? Be 15 percent of a greater number? Well.

D

That's our our current ordinance is 15 percent, but.

A

D

Look and see if there are options in that regard. Okay,.

A

I mean without changing the ordinance or do we have well, but.

D

You have to adopt a new ordinance that I'm not prepared to answer that now, but I think.

A

D

Might be challenging okay.

A

Z

If I'm a there's, there was a list of questions in them on the back and I think we've kind of got consensus on most of them, I'm, not sure if you want to give more specific direction about height limits for the site, I've heard up to five stories.

Z

Potentially, should we move forward with that I would.

X

Say keep it a flexible range since you've heard five stories from councilman Willy five to seven I said five to six, possibly seven. If there's a compelling enough reason and a plan that comes forward and.

Z

The last question we had is about whether the policies should expressly allow additional development if a specific plan is prepared and approved in the future, and if you want that language to remain in that these are the objective standards right now. But if someone comes forward with a specific plan of the city, approves that that we could have a higher amount of housing or office than what's in there now. I think.

W

You just brought up a very important point, and that is because of the housing bills and the objective standard requirement. I do think we need to stick with the objective requirement at five storeys, and we would consider above that, providing that there was enough of a sufficient reason for it. Once we put in the seven storeys has the objective standard, then we do not have any authority at that point to require a nicer downtown area. That's going to really be for the for the residents.

W

We run the risk kind of like we have now that a developer is going to maximize his profit with seven stories throughout and the again the community is left without a downtown or a Main, Street and I really think we need to deliver something like that for the community. We, we are the only one in the Bay Area that doesn't have a real downtown or Main Street.

W

So I think that I hope. We understand that when, when we put that verbage in there for seven storeys is the objective standards we we do not have any authority then to prevent that and we may not get. You know our downtown right.

A

But I think what she was asking if we made it five storeys should we have the option to approve a specific plan that goes higher yeah.

Z

Our just making it Express in the general plan, you could say you could say if you wanted to pick five storeys, that five storeys is the limit, but we could go higher if there's a specific plan. That's later right,.

A

I mean if we had a specific plan that had more affordable housing, then right we might want to go higher. So the.

Z

Specific plan could also say that the housing could go higher if, if, if there, this policy could say that the housing could also go higher if a specific plan is prepared or afford, if with the portable housing I.

X

Mean I would say, maybe maybe have a little bit of flexibility as to the height. You know. If, if councilman really could agree to six storeys, then we can make it a little bit more rigid and the majority sentiment to that last question would essentially be no with possibly the exception of housing units. If you're talking about delivering more affordable housing units, then, but but then we would need to take a look at specifically what metrics, what objective factors would be? You know under discussion? Would it be high? It would be set back.

X

Would it just be the numbers at five storeys and thirty-five dwelling units per acre of residential units I think you can comfortably comfortably fit your units into there I mean, especially if you're talking about variable sized units I mean an acre, is what forty thousand square feet. Five storeys of that I mean you can fit thirty five twenty units per acre into a five-story structure, and so you know I, guess we don't have to get that granular and specific right now, but overall I think direction is essentially you know, let's try to create an envelope.

X

That is generally adhere to and if we can express some policy consideration that encourages more housing, especially affordable housing. Let's do that yeah.

A

I mean I think we really want to avoid this constant spot. Zoning I mean let's craft the general plan, that's reasonable. We don't have to keep having people come forward with this GPA process.

A

So yeah I could go with what did you say six.

AA

A

I mean I could definitely go with six.

Z

So I'm hearing.

A

Well, we don't need to be that specific right now, I, don't think.

Z

The Planning Commission will make it into this, but it sounds like six or five and then there could be as a specific plan that would have additional housing, especially if it's affordable, housing.

A

X

You know and just to wrap it up. I mean we have had some discussion about extremely low-income housing as well. So you know if you could wrap that into for the developmentally disabled into the encouragement factors. I mean. That would be something that I would support with. Perhaps a concession.

Z

And there was a question about moving forward to study additional housing at the site, or it sounds like there was some direction to see about working that into the next housing cycle. Right.

A

I mean the 389 frankly, I, don't think is enough, but we would want to get credit for the additional housing we built on that site in the next cycle, and it probably would not be built them to the next cycle. Anyway. Okay,.

Z

So staff will explore how we could do that. I.

X

Mean there might be something where you can phase particular parcels and their development over.

AB

X

Such that 389 would be delivered before 2023 and then subsequent to that, you are then in a different arena allocation mm-hmm cycle mm-hmm.

X

Can we break a few minutes before then.

A

Right, okay, so anything else all right, so we can break until the next meeting at 6:45. Thank you.

A

Hey, madam city clerk, can you conduct the roll call councilmember.

B

Sinks, councilmember Willy.

A

B

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B

Smear Chow here mayor shirt here.

A

Okay, so we're onto ceremonial items. The first item is proclamation recognizing the mana Vista High School boys, volleyball team, for winning the Northern California championship. I think I saw a video presentation. Is that here.

AC

Could it go welcome okay, good evening, mayor, sharp and City Council? Thank you for taking time from your busy schedule to recognize our local high school team for their highest accomplishment in a team sport Cabrillo schools are well known for around the country for excellence in academics, but this team here proved to the world. Once again, we could be excellent in studies and achieve top honors in team sports by winning high school volleyball NorCal championship twice in a row. Hopefully we can't repeat it next year. Winning NorCal championship is the highest honor.

AC

A high school team could achieve in in the sport. This win made monitors to high school as the second ranked team. Nationally in this sport, a volleyball powerhouse, the team did not lose a single game in any of the NorCal tournaments other than three games lost in a Invitational Tournament in San Diego. This team was a winning record of 37, wins and 3 losses.

AC

All of this is possible because of our dedicated and highly committed coaching staff led by coach, Paul, Chow and motivated kids during the NorCal championship game I heard one of the hacker parents say look how deep in a modest our coaching staff is. This is a highly funded private school team marveling at our public school coaching staff. We are extremely blessed and lucky to have such a dedicated coaching staff on motivated kids. Without further ado, let me invite the one and only coach, Paul Chiu, to say a few words.

AD

Thank You city council- this is our second year in a row and I want to first of all, have the players stand up and turn around and acknowledge your parents.

AD

At the end of the day, this doesn't happen without tremendous family support. We've got our program, is zoning is good, I can take all the credit world, but that's not true. The players and the family behind them give gives us the the support and the energy and they're as much as part of the success as anybody else so I want to thank you for the recognition second year in a row.

AD

Hopefully maybe it will make this a regular thing and we'll come back next year as well movies going to play a pretty exciting video clip here.

AC

Okay, so I'll just give you a brief background on this, so we, the finals game, who has tried at two sets eh monetarist, are ranked number two and we got to the match point. You know with Harker, which is ranked number four nationally just want one point behind, and here are some highlights, and yet another have no best finished that you would ever see.

AC

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AC

So, as they say, difference wins the game, as you saw in the last point. You know certainly difference brothers through. So what this meant meant is you know you will see to go to the national rankings. You know if you can show the slides this so you'll see the high school or high school. Ranked number two under national rankings right here are some accomplishments of monasticism.

AC

Slides will be with you, so you can look at it, so we won't see CH finals as well as no NorCal championship this year. So without further ado, a coach you want to call the player.

A

Proclamations for all the players.

AC

A

You can all come up on stage now: okay,.

AD

Once you guys, I'll call your name up just come up. Joshua ho yeah.

A

You can all come up together: okay,.

AD

There we go and then you guys.

A

Can pass these out I'm, not gonna, no.

AD

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AE

Move a little that way, boys.

AC

Thank you guys and thank you coaches, so, let's be here again next year.

AC

Thank you. Mate.

A

Yes and I see, one of my old bosses is in the audience, so congratulations, Darwin.

A

Okay, our next ceremonial item number two. We won't do because the person is not here, we'll move on to the proclamation declaring July as Parks and Recreation month said. We have a representative here, Jeff and staff.

A

So hopefully you have a brief presentation.

AF

We have a very brief presentation good evening, mayor and council chef Nell, his director, Recreation and Parks, and what we'd like to do tonight, very briefly, is just tell you, you know and acknowledge, and thank you for taking the time to make this proclamation acknowledging the important work that the department does and that Recreation and Parks does around the around the country, so we're responsible, of course, for protecting our natural environment, providing quality facilities and quality, recreational programs and activities. So the staff have a very short video that is playing behind you.

AF

Just demonstrating some of the kind of things will do and staff will come up and receive the proclamation great. Some.

A

Of the council can come up.

A

And our final ceremonial matter, a presentation from sustainability, Commission, accomplishments, presentation, welcome.

AG

Good evening my name is, I am the vice chair and this is sheriff.

AH

AG

Let me just quickly go over some of the things we've been doing it. It was there a moment ago. I think it was by clean is the first one. This has been a continuing thing with the legislature starting last year and continuing into next next light. Several critical issues- we've been helpful too I hope Roger Lee.

AG

We were kind of hurt, went over his presentation first and understand it, and one of things we do is the first feed the the input we get throughout the community and then then we worked on the green code update and next and then the sustainability speaker series, and we got some good ideas for next year as well. It's been these.

AG

The two presenters this year were professor mark Jacobson and then Amy Lee, dr. Amy Lee from Silicon Valley, Clean Energy.

AG

AH

One of the focus of the systemic mission is to do community outreach and engage with the public. We have tables at the Earth Day and Arbor Day Festival at the Fall Festival at the Cupertino volunteer, fair one of the things that is a priority for the Commission is to engage. Our youth Gary here has given a presentation about the green new deal to the Cupertino High, School, Environmental, Club, and also this past school year.

AH

We had our first student essay contest where we invited the USD students in grades, 6 7 & 8, to talk about what they see as sustainability issues or concerns for the city of Cupertino. Here there being a word, did a prize of a certificate and $100 prize award. This was at this. This year's Earth Day Festival, and we look forward to working more with you in the coming year.

Y

A

Thank you. Thank you.

Y

Can I ask a question, sir? Of course, have you looked into the so Amy Bailey? Is that second speaker, have you been looking into what SVC has been proposing for reach codes for decarbonisation of new buildings.

AG

Yes, in a sense, that's on our work plan, it says, have.

Y

AG

General discussions, but that's all yeah.

Y

I would certainly appreciate getting your take on that initiative and.

AH

We will be discussing that throughout the coming fiscal years, fellows, that is on our work plan, and so Gilly will definitely be freighting information as well yeah.

Y

I would just suggest if you're gonna do it you, you prioritize it hi, because okay.

AH

Y

Gonna have to take action on it sooner rather than later. I think the codes new codes go into effect toward the end of this year. Thank you. Thank.

AH

A

Thank you, madam city clerk. Are there any postponements? Yes,.

B

I have some good news for your rather long agenda. Item number 24, the weed abatement that one parcel has been Abeyta baited. So we can table that item. You still have two here: number 23, the brush. Okay,.

A

Great, so is this the time we should be reordering the we're.

B

Sure, absolutely that now or you could maybe perhaps when that when before the budget comes okay.

A

Very good, okay, it's time for oral communications, I have about 10 cards. Everyone gets three minutes for. We have Jennifer Griffin, followed by sue Rainey, followed by.

A

The cipa so welcome Jennifer.

N

Good evening City Council I'm Jennifer Griffin I, wanted to take some time to discuss highway 17. As you all know, this is an item that's sort of near and dear to my heart, because I spend a lot of time on 17 one to two times a week and sitting in multiple levels of traffic and I. You know I think it's really interesting tonight, hearing about Valco and El Paseo and things that are happening in Sacramento and nobody really gives a darn what happens to highway 17.

N

It is choked up with traffic people sit in it for hours. Highway 1 in 17 has reached a critical mass level. There's traffic loads there. The road is dangerous. Nobody, nobody does anything, it's completely ignored. We have to sit through long debates about highway, 85 and putting transit on it and moving stuff through downtown San, Jose and trolley cars, etc. But no one does anything about highway 17 and it is the fault of Santa Cruz, County and Santa Clara County Los Gatos does not step up to the plate.

N

To acknowledge that there's problem, Scotts, Valley I, don't think, has done much outreach. They, the RO and Santa Cruz I, was pleased to find out recently I was my mother actually saved a article out of the newspaper that said that there is a tremendous amount of work, that's going to be done at highway, 17 and highway 1 at the fishhook and all the way down to Capitol Mall.

N

They are going to be putting up a lot tronic signaling devices to indicate if there is accidents, they're going to be widening part of the road that is directly because there were two semi trucks that turned over on 17 two days apart and tied up the traffic on a Tuesday night for everyone, and it probably backed up the Santa Cruz City Council, which was in probably Santa Cruz County, two members that were going- and maybe somebody will do something about it right now, Scotts Valley is growing.

N

There needs to be an overpass at redwood estates and idle, while, if you're not aware of it, there were two serious fatal wrong-way drivers that were drunk one woman ran a Ford huge truck into a telephone pole and I happened to see it. She knocked over the telephone pole at Idlewild and she managed to snap the line a mile down the road and I talked to someone from AT&T. Who knows about that and she broke the telephone pole a mile away with her Ford f-150.

N

So we need an overpass there and we need an overpass at Laurel curve and the road that goes to st. Claire's retreat, which I believe is called vine, Hill Road badly. Well,.

AI

N

A darn about 17, except the people that drive it and risk their lives. Thank you. You.

A

Jennifer sue Rainey, followed by Shilpa, followed by Larry Dean, welcome, sue, hi.

AJ

I wanted to speak about the Regnery Creek Trail. Recently I've become aware of there's information out there saying that those who live along Lamar driver live along. The creek are enjoying that Creek as their own private playground. I've lived there for 20 years up until probably five years ago, I had a padlock on there, because I had two boys and just to avoid them going out. There I'd kept that on there because we're not it would be considered.

AJ

Trespass seem to be out there and the number of years, but I've lived there I've never seen anyone using it as a playground. Occasionally I would see someone, but I wouldn't know who they were. My other I have two concerns. One is that our community is changing.

AJ

So I was at a Bible study at West, Valley, Presbyterian Church, and when I was in there, there was a homeless woman in the bathroom washing up and then I walk in the morning and I was walking through Wilson Park and on two occasions in the last like month, there was a homeless person in the park, so that concerns me as far as changes. What will happen long term along this trail who will be out there and then?

AJ

Lastly, one of my biggest concerns is this has been promoted as safe for children and the trail ends at Miller Road, and so, if their whole goal is to get more kids out of cars, I don't know if you've been along there. It's just a mess in the morning, so what's gonna be done to make it safer to get kids from Miller Park to Cupertino, High, School I, don't know if anything can be done there.

AJ

So that concerns me greatly and the other thing is fencing along the creek I call it Santa, Clara, Valley water and it's still not all decided, but whether or not there's gonna be fencing along that entire Creek. And if you know kids, if, if they're out there, there's no fence, that's gonna be a problem. So my of course my recommendation is that, instead, that money is put into making safer crossings at Miller Avenue at east estates and at Blaney Road.

A

Okay, thank you. Next, we have Shilpa, followed by Larry Dean, followed by huang long family welcome, Shilpa, hi.

AK

So I'm for Radner trail, so I've been resident here for ten years and never knew why the trails were closed. They are public trails, but there is no reason posted anywhere. Why they're closed and turned out? There is no reason I personally enjoy walking around neighborhood. So does my child I have a teenage kid and I prefer my kid and her friends to walk around the trail rather than on the sidewalk? It's much safer. That way, I think and it's it's a public trail.

AK

It shouldn't be closed and as for the safety concerned, that people are talking about. So we have Rancho here, that's open for everyone in the country and people do crowd there. I mean it's impossible to get your parking on weekends. So I don't understand that point, but I definitely am for ignitor I prefer it should be open for everyone in the neighborhood. Thank you. Okay,.

A

Thank you. Next is Larry Dean, followed by Wang family, followed by rota; Fri welcome Larry thank.

AL

You good evening, mayor and fellow councilmen.

AL

This is a new thing for me. It never a nice picture I'm here in support of the regner Creek Trail. The the trail segment is a key piece of the 2016 master bike plan that will connect nearly 400, Lawson and Cupertino high school students to their schools, create a green belt to three parks and be a benefit to park users and recreational walkers, combined with the mclaughlin road improvements.

AL

It will also make blackberry farms in McClellan grants accessible by bike from the neighborhoods around city center in the neighborhoods east of city center will make businesses business centers accessible by a biking or walking to them, such as Cupertino crossroads or Main streets it'll also make it safe and easy for moms and kids to ride their bikes.

AL

We have a great deal of support in the community for this for this key project over the last number of months. Our team, as as has collected nearly 1500 signatures in support of this, of which 80% live within a half a mile of the actual trail.

AL

The council is going to have a major judgment to make here shortly and that is to decide in favor of the few or the majority who will benefit immensely from the trail and his connectivity respectfully. The trail neighbors are concerned about their privacy. There are a handful of sites that will have some major impact, but the city's efforts to outreach have been very difficult as I've been productive due to recent presidents, not wanting to discuss solutions other than don't build it.

AL

One. One neighborhood area along the creek is campo de Lozano, and it's a good example of how our residents have probably known for a long long time that a trail is going to be built near their house. You can, you can see from from the schedule in 2002 is when the tract filing for Cambodia Lozano was made detailing at 10 10 foot wide setback from Rodriguez out to what what the CC NR is, call a regular Creek walking trail.

AL

So in 2002 it was already institutionalized later that year, the CC and ours were signed and filed with the county and there's a section in there that talks about the pedestrian easements and access to the walkway. A year later, a joint use agreement was developed between the Santa Clara Valley, Water District and the City Council.

AL

We would like to propose that you move the sixty five percent solution, discussion to the August timeframe, because most of our supporters are out on vacation and they won't be here in the middle of July and so for the sake of transparency and feedback to you who have to make the decision on which way to go with these. With this major project, we urge you to move this decision point to August, 2020 xx.

AL

I believe is that they can thank you when, when our supporters will be back in, thank you and thank you to the staff. You can do it a great job.

A

Okay, Oh before I move forward. Each person gets three minutes after what happened at the last meeting. I'm not going to do this thing where you concede time to someone else, because that kind of got out of hand. So if you want to speak for three minutes, that's fine and that's what you get next is Wang family, followed by rota Frey, followed by Julia, welcome long family.

AM

Hello, dear dear councilmember, the city manager and other staff members and their Grace- and um this is about a small play- she's got the structure, it's only 90 cm square foot and a FIFA lower than massaman required, and we in go face twice and confine twice.

AM

Only when the city actually pay the money to build even was toilet to be okay and they were told us, then they need a permit and had have neighbor waivers and even the $40 here the weed I got brought in the gender and you can see how the office is a retaliation. Harassment do so much to us to this day and we can't even be on anything talk about it and the process is unfair and a duty, adjudicator is a healer friend.

AM

Is a data collector which define to these days is excessive, and it's so on $23,000 already and the constant get off on the tech factor in the leading people, and we don't know how this brought up because can't be seen in the neighborhood found outside a street as well. So this number three nine six nine four six zero. We well count anybody and can help us to resolve this, and also- and this this is excruciating horrifying and devastating and traumatic effect for the little kids and older children.

AM

We were singled out and offices, reputations, retaliation, harassment famous in the city, and we want you guys, stop those and abate it. Thank you. Thank.

A

You next is Rhoda Frey, followed by Julia, followed by Dave Wyckoff, welcome, Rhoda hi.

AN

I wanted to give you a quick overview of what's going on with the Lehigh application and the Stevens Creek application. So here is the Lehigh property. It's owned by Heidelberg cement, Germany, one of the largest building materials company in companies in the world. They own 33 cement plants in worldwide, and they are distinguished in California as being the number one for labor safety finds, accounting for 39% of the labor safety fines over eight cement plants in the state of California.

AN

Also they are the only cement plant in California that is out of compliance with California with sorry with with the Clean Air Act to many sees okay, so there's a property they mined from limestone. They, they cook the limestone in a kiln at 2,400 degrees and and then we get an awful lot of pollution from that and because kiln is fired by Potomac. Oh, this is Stevens Creek quarry over here. Okay, so just like to show you this it.

AN

This is their reclamation, current reclamation plan area and, as you can see, it effects a huge watershed. So here we go to the plans. Okay, so you've heard about the new mind that is right here between Steve Lehigh and students for quarry it's right here. It's called the rod plant reserve sixty acres, but there's actually three mining areas. Here's another one! It's right over here, it's over by the ridge, they're, calling it a slow stabilization project and it affects two-thirds, almost two-thirds of a mile of our protected bridge easement 1972.

AN

This view shed was protected, it's right next to Rancho San Antonio, and they want to lower that by 100 feet. Currently, we have indeed we own that deed, but it can be magically whisked away by a vote of the Board of Supervisors 2012. They were going to protect this Ridge by a buttress system. Now they say they need to take it down by 100 feet. The same time. The waist area over here is expected to grow by 160 feet. That's over here!

AN

That's the scar that you see when you drive down round San Antonio Road toward the hills. You see that great that that beige line now going to the third area of mining activity is over by Stevens Creek quarry. They have about 86 acres over here. That's their act of mind. They have some more acres down there, which was mined out about 25 years ago. They do concrete recycling and other activities down there, so they mined too close to the edges and every year the county comes in and they do a um they.

AN

They look at the walls and they say well. The walls are too steep, but they didn't keep them from mining. So now what they need to do in order to stabilize the walls is they need to over excavate why they say: seventy five and a half acres, almost doubling the area of their their quarry and how they're gonna do it they're going to lease land from Lehigh?

AN

So those are the three mining errs next is, while Lehigh is going to be exporting material on a private road between the two Coreys and they're gonna process it here the stuff goes out. Lehigh was going to fill their mind with my waste from the westborough storage area, but now they say instead they're going to import it with 48 million tons of fill. So there you go stuff getting imported 660 trucks.

AN

Today, Lee Stevens Creek is going to do the same, and that is you're a very quick summary of what is going on at Lehigh and Stevens Creek quarries. Thank.

A

You thank you, wrote up. Next is Julia, followed by Dave Wyckoff, followed by Beth knodel welcome Julia. Thank you for letting oh okay, I couldn't okay, it's William, II, Okawa, okay, I! Couldn't read your last name there: okay.

AE

Oh I'm, sorry I'll make it clear, Laura I'm here to talk about Ragnar Creek Trail, which is really a flood control, ditch dug by the Santa Clara Water District way back in the early 60s to protect the area from flooding. It was dug along the stream that feeds into Calaveras Calaveras Creek today with our environmental laws. Probably this type of flood control ditch would not be able to be dug, but here we are today with a ditch, more attractively called a creek I.

AE

Remember when we first moved into our home on Farrell own Drive in 1974, seeing the amount of trash thrown into the creek. The most disturbing to me was a motor oil dumped in the creek in the water, and this is before the cyclone fence went up and after that everything stopped the local environmental groups, including the Sierra Club Audubon Society, Native, Plant, Society, Santa, Clara Valley chapter and the grassroots ecology have expressed how increasingly trails create stress on the diminishing quantity and quality of wildlife, habitats and animal corridors.

AE

In a late letter dated January, 10th 2017 and sent to the Santa Clara Valley Water District, because so many trails are built, the letter states that there is even more pressure to increase a number of trails to provide connectivity between the trails. It goes on to say, several studies have been done to prove the negative impact of activities by humans on habitat areas.

AE

Therefore, the group supports leaving creeped creeks without trails, especially where it is too narrow to accommodate one and I feel ragnar Creek fits that model and also being too close to homes. Everyone supports trails, but we need to protect our environment. Thank you. Okay,.

A

Thank you. Julia next is Dave Wyckoff followed a lot by Death Note, all followed by Kathy choli welcome Dave. Oh.

AB

Thank you. A few of us were able to meet with city engineering staff yesterday to review the design of the Reg narkom trail. Unfortunately, it seems that most major sticking points remain unresolved, especially at Lizano Lane and DiPalma. Lane bridge removal, logistics for Creek maintenance using a crane are incomplete.

AB

The proposed mid Street crossing solution at Blaney will add an additional choke point for some eight thousand cars a day, one of the Wilson Park Little League fields, including the huge bat backstop all of the fences, the dugouts and all may require being picked up and relocated. Some ten feet to the north, ripping up a bunch of concrete and potentially impacting the tee ball field over here as well.

AB

Alternative designs to moving the little league feel appeared afield appear to be even more costly, there's apparently no feasible scenario for locking the ten separate gates at night, and no lighting is being provided at some point as cost mount. It's imperative that those of you on the council assess the viability of this project on a realistic cost-benefit basis. You'll recall that path opponents had collected 450 plus signatures from Cupertino residents. By last August, but this project won't be based on any popularity contest.

AB

It will be based on what's best for the community, after your thorough review and on whether there's real value being added. So let's take this part of the route as currently designed.

AB

If one enters the trail here at East estates, they will then be forced to cross a bridge here into Wilson Park at a 90-degree turn then turn again at another 90 degree angle here, passing along a bunch of trees here on the other side and then they'll take a diagonal path back to the trail here,.

AB

Pedestrians would have a much shorter route which is coming out and walking on the sidewalk on Lamar. Additionally, cyclists would have a more direct route straight through on Lamar as well, then, to proceed to the very end of the trail. One could just turn from Lamar on to Blaney and then take a ride on Pacific guy from start to finish, the proposed proposed trail is actually a long cut.

AB

It's not a short cut. Many commuters will choose to bypass it altogether. Let's save several million dollars and just stripe the existing roads with markings to make them as safe as possible and maybe add, speed bumps if needed. Let's also demand realistic, trail usage projections based on where people actually live and where they actually commute to and.

V

AB

Let's find out whether parents will be comfortable, sending young kids to school along an unsupervised unsupervised back alley path, knowing as we do, how that same plan worked in the 60s and 70s when the Wilson Park area was known as Wilson elementary school. Thanks for listening, hey.

A

Thank you. Next is Beth knodel, followed by Cathy, followed by John Liu, welcome, Beth hi.

AO

My name is Beth Nadal, so I am a cyclist and commuter bike. Commuter and I live in Cupertino. My Cupertino resident, but I just want to make it clear that I don't own property that backs to the trail. Also my kids bike too, or walk to school every day, and that's because my husband has two jobs and I do not drive so I have a vested interest in safe trails.

AO

So you might think that I would tell you that I am for this trail, but I am NOT for this trail, because I don't think that it's safe I, don't think it's safe for kids and I, don't think it's safe for multi-use because of the wig I also think this trail has some issues that haven't been resolved in that honestly I don't see how they can be resolved and that's specifically the pinch point at Lozano, Lane I think the latest work on that is plastic plants which is interesting.

AO

I also have seen now that there's an impact on the baseball field and basically I, went to the Parks and Rec meeting and what that means is they're going to take out such a large portion of the baseball field that that field will no longer be regulation, size, which means it will no longer work to meet the requirements to make it to the World Series or whatever. That is so it. It is not only upping in cost and a long cut.

AO

It seems just not feasible I, don't think it's safe and I think for the children specifically to school. You're dumping eaten kids out into a road that doesn't have bike lanes, and then you have to get through to more intersections the same with the kids going to loss and then they have to then somehow cross Rodriguez, Avenue and I asked Prashant and he said, there's no anticipation of when, in the future a crosswalk would be put in there at Rodriguez to cross the street. So I would want green bike lanes, big bike lanes and I.

AO

Think being that Cupertino high loss in middle an Eaton elementary. Don't have bike lanes designated bike lanes on the streets directly adjacent to them? That should be the priority not to point 1 million dollars to a trail that isn't a route to school. Thank you. Okay,.

A

Thank you. Next, we have Kathy, followed by John Liu, followed by a Longo Ganga welcome, Kathleen hi.

AP

Good evening, thanks for letting me speak I'm here to ask you, when you see the 65% design that you stop the madness on regner Creek, this has been going on for quite some time. Hmh has been consulting this project for over two years now and during the design they are uncovering some game changers you just heard from Beth about Wilson, Park and also Dave talked about Wilson Park and the baseball fields. These things are game, changers and costly. They will add to the cost of up to $400,000 and a 12 to 18-month delay.

AP

If we go this route and continue with that, I would like to clarify the untruth. Sue actually mention this to that. The proponents, the notion that those abutting the trail are using it as their personal playground. I have never seen since I have lived there, that anyone has used this closed trail for their personal playground. What I have seen is school-aged kids jumping the locked fence to gain access to it. That is the reality. That's what that is. What happens so don't be persuaded by the untruths of the personal playground. It's absolutely not true.

AP

I have a slide here that I'd like to share. This is from the transportation plan and it shows the relative the collision map. This is directly out of the map and you can see that we're talking about over here, you'll notice, I actually had that section, blown up and you'll see there aren't any dots. This is not a problem to solve. This is a safe area. Lamar is safe, Vicksburg is safe, Pacifica is safe, I mean it just goes on, and on that we are just trying to do something where there is not a problem.

AP

So if the, if the council approves continuation of throwing more funds into this project, there will continue to be major deficiencies of sidewalks, and that is my next slide. This is also out of the transportation plan. Red means that there's no sidewalks come on guys. We have plenty of sidewalks in the area where we want to actually put Ragnar Creek, Trail and open it up to the public.

AP

So I'm asking you to take a look at that and still try to consider what is going on. With doing this. We have not fixed here's another one. This is supposed to be the bike Boulevard and by the transportation group. Guess what some of those neighborhoods have not even been talked to yet, and this was supposed to be done in fall of 2019, it's almost fall and I'm going to carry I'm gonna. Do my closing statement. Thank you.

AP

The project has certainly divided the community and your job is to determine the critical projects that should be executed for the better good of the community. If the council is seriously considering to promote this trail or changing its priority route of it rather than putting a stop to it now, there will continue to be cost overruns for consulting staff and certainly construction.

AP

New obstacles seem to be identified at every turn on alternative one I urge you to do the right thing and abandon alternative one, and if you must continue utilize, alternative, four or even five and acknowledge the community feedback focused on library, expansion, Valco solution by Boulevard safety, street improvements, park, renovation and procurement of lawrence midi. Thank you. Okay,.

A

Thank you. Next John Liu, followed by a lanka conga, followed by gary wong, welcome John.

AQ

Thank you. My name is Jon Oliva and I have being a Cupertino resident for 33 years. The recent proposal of the retina of creeped bike trail is the most disturbing action taken by the City Council in my memory. It conserver so due to the number of effects that being forced upon their houses around the trail. I want to address a particularly this section behind a llama Drive which is here and here's the person part.

AQ

That uses his easement owned by the water district. It is where narrow paths that, if built Cupertino City, is required to frequently remove the safety rail and a to Bridget every time that water, this perform the routine maintenance notice. The Bridget right here this talks part of this one going and going call me back.

AQ

The current proposal trail is cut off halfway by an existing ramp. That's why the bridge exists. It calls for those two new bridges to VPO to facilitate the truck SS least two bridges going to the west I'm. Talking back to the proposed trail, it's only a few feet apart in opposite directions. One must be wondering why I bothered creating unnecessary complication when the HSN or asan Park is begging to be utilized right here right here, a lot of space there.

AQ

Why spend so much money to build a trail over the easement and forego the parkland that incurred expensive, new build and maintenance cost, not to mention the additional liability for the city and insurance money, layer, honor attorney proposal beside the current proposal notice, it is alternative for.

AQ

Yeah chattering, the deserts serious consideration on their own merit I urge our City Council member to look at it at 24. They use only only straight pass an existing cross crossing break. It does not involve what is this easement and it does not need the breaches lack of no way. It is about a chemical that, a few weeks ago, Cupertino serious enemy inquiry about my opinion for a new tax, our purpose for a require city service. It asked me if I agree with the new tax proposal or canceled in light of the irresponsible spending.

AQ

The puzzle of this regular trail that it should be fairly easy for me, hell no, no new taxes for Cupertino City resident. If we were to spend this kind of money on such a short you can responsible and how to act, causing your project. Thank you. Thank.

A

You next I want go Ganga, followed by Gary Wong, followed by Linda Wyckoff I'm.

AR

Lando Ganga speaking for myself, I'm going to talk about the Ragnar Creek Trail I had been to the city office yesterday to review the 65% design plans. It's still not at the 65 percent level, maybe there's more issues to be resolved. So what I noted is many unresolved issues that that is there and new issues that have cropped up laws are only issues is not been resolved. De palma, lien issues not being resolved baseball field issue. This should have been ideally found during the feasibility study.

AR

I, think the consultants and the and staff members who are working on the trail was sleeping at the wheel so that it's coming up now, if at all you're, taking a $10 tape and then gone ahead and measured the width on the other side of the creek, you would have figured that out. Instead, we spend $165,000, then and then another tree around $80,000 on the design which should have been formed long ago, and it adds two new mid buck mid-block crossings. This is where the accidents do happen.

AR

That is one on Rodriguez and one on Pacifica, unprotected, mid-block things and then fencing still fencing issue for the homeowners have not been resolved. It's actually an opt-in. Ideally, you need to really be transparent and put the budget of the entire fencing for the point eight miles of the fail, so that if any homeowner wants they can opt out, but then you need to have the budget for the entire trail, so that council knows how to make the decision next to the railings, even though the city is proposing railings.

AR

Of course there are, you know more than five hundred or thousand footings is going to be there in there and the Water District is reviewing it and they are still worried about the maintenance issues and also the creek bank failures in future. So a city will be drawn into maintaining that and the other thing is, you know they have not yet approved until they see the final designs.

AR

Next is the trail width, the trail with us, where the piece ability study was actually ten feet now, forty to fifty percent of trail is going to be eight feet or below a gentleman came and said that Oh there'll be two hundred to four hundred people who might be using it. If you do the you know, the width of the trail should be determined based on the number of users. If you do the analysis of that you will, this trail will get a a or an F grade, and people are talking about.

AR

This is a safer than the adjacent streets, not necessarily it's a narrow trail which is not suitable for a multi-use where people can bike, walk and also other kids will be going on there. People are not going to walk in single file, they are going to walk in groups. To summarize, you know, there's a lot of issues that are it to be unresolved. I still do not understand what problem that city is trying to solve the streets that are parallel to the creek are actually 40 feet wide with four and a half feet.

AR

You know paved path that is sidewalks on either side of the street, and this area has ample of sidewalks, and it is also noted down in a safe route to school program. Stop. This I would like to urge the council to stop this and invest the resources and time and money know million millions of dollars into improving the citywide bicycle projects and instead of putting these three million dollars in a project that is of no use. Thank you. Okay,.

A

Thank you long ago. Next we have carry Wang I live by Linda Wyckoff, followed by Lisa Warren.

AA

Musharraf vice mayor child council members and staff last week, I too had an opportunity to attend a parks and recs commission meeting and also I met with Public Works to look at the 65% update on the trail, design and I'd like to just share my observations with the council. In my view, we are not at 65%, because there are two sections of the trail. Almost two-thirds of the trail have unresolved issues. There's unresolved issues with Lizano Lane and DiPalma Lane, as others have identified. There are identified issues with the bridges and Wilson Park baseball fields.

AA

So this is an ideal map there. There were four options presented at Parks and Rec and and the recommendation or the options that seemed to be the most favorable and I would say they're all not desirable. So this is the least bad of the four options and so they're talking about moving the entire field 15 feet. That means changing the infrastructure. Lighting plumbing concrete I mean it's just silly to try to do that. Here's, the creek, here's the ballpark! When you look at the map, you know the bridges are like a quarter of an inch.

AA

Here's is what a 45 foot bridge will look like. The bridges have been expanded to 47 and 44 feet, they're going to be two of these bridges. There's another view.

A

They're upside down, thank you.

AA

So you can see it's it's pretty good size, and so what you need to get these bridges? You need a big crane and that's what it's gonna look like all right and so Wilson Park doesn't have any roadways to get such a vehicle or a crane into the park nobody's even thinking about the operational aspect of this part of the trail. So they're you, you have housing all along Wilson Park. So there's really no way for these this crane to get there and then once it's there. Where do you put the bridge?

AA

Do you put it on the baseball field? I mean I mean you have to think of these issues. We asked this question at the 65 percent meeting and they said that's a that's an operating budget. That's not our consideration! We're only considering capital budget, that's a job for another consultant.

AA

That was a crazy answer and then one last point: this is library field. There's going to be a bike trail that comes through these trees. These trees are where most families sit during the weekends when their children are playing sports. So, with the trail there they're not going to be able to sit there they're going to have to move and sit out in the Sun, so those are little things that you're going to disrupt the activities for for people who use Wilson, Park and library fields. So those need to be taken into consideration.

A

Ok, thank you. You're on ok, Linda Wyckoff, followed by Lisa Warren, followed by zhang ziyi, welcome Linda.

A

It's Linda here.

A

Okay, all right Lisa Warren, followed by Jung yi, followed by Snow Gao, welcome, Lisa I.

L

Wanted to say thank you for two things. um First, being you.

A

Speak in the microphone again.

L

Okay, first ping I received my first ever and I believe, first ever for any one items of interest, communication from city manager and I just think it's a good idea, I appreciate it. It was I mean she did it within the first week. She was here and I think it's a good trend to follow. So thank you and for anyone who participated in helping her do that.

L

Thank you as well. Secondly, Saturday night's town-hall meeting another thank you I. Think it's long overdue I hope I realize only to keep two council members can be in one of these meetings at a time, so I hope these continue and there's a rotation of council members and perhaps and planning commission commissioners but I, think it's a great idea.

L

There was a large attendance in my opinion, so unless moving forward the attendance became smaller I see no reason not to continue it other than we had from what I understand staff that was volunteering to be here on a Saturday night, which I also appreciate very much, because it was really helpful to have him here to answer questions in a more casual way.

L

It was just a good vibe in my pan for the for the most part. So that's really all I was going to say, but now I'm kind of forced by myself to say something about the Ragnar Trail, which I'm confused because some place it's called Ragnar trail, and sometimes it's called the regna library trail. They're got creeks and rigging art library and I.

L

That's a little I, don't know so. I do need to give kudos to the people have been coming meeting after meeting with good data and facts showing the issues. I. Don't know enough about the library part to speak to that problem, but I can tell you from being a longtime Little League volunteer at Wilson Park field. Maintenance is a volunteer activity that takes hours and hours to move a field sounds insane for this purpose, especially so I always thought.

L

I was trying to stay neutral on this subject, but I'm here to say that after what I have heard over the last few months, I'm leaning toward the no go and that's it.

A

Thank you. Next, we have zhang ziyi, followed by snow GAO, followed by stella, so.

AI

Is it okay for her to donate the time okay? So we were talking.

A

You can each speak. Yes, okay,.

AI

My name is Johnny and I'm, a longtime resident in city of Cupertino and I object. Your regular Creek, Trail and today, I want to discuss about their leader. My opinion, after reviewing the 65 design design, especially I, have a lot of concern about how do I use this concern about this pace. The East East ball fell the impact so, as we all know, just to quickly remind for those who don't know the the political we are building well and then the culture path continuing after the bridge will intrude into the West ball park.

AI

The ball field in Wilson Park, so which you will disqualify this ball field for sectional tournaments and above four little layers. So the city is coming up with alternative plans to Agra to mitigate that plan. The first one will straighten up this trail on the south side by removing the existing ramp and creating another ramp on the north side to first the water district access.

AI

This will have an additional 400 K additional cost according to the city's estimation, and this requires environmental regulatory permits and the other or the second alternative will move this bridge a little bit towards the east side, so that it doesn't have to intrude into the ball field. This would require 250 K for moving the bridge and also it requires to remove the tree, which potentially could be our heritage tree, and it has also environmental regulatory permits required.

AI

The third option that I hear from the city officers that the city is actively investigating at the moment is move the entire field tours 8.5 to 15 feet. Depending on who you talk to. When you talk to so the city, it is still it's not certain about how much modification it has to make it. Not only has a lot of I mean they're moving the every single piece in the appropriate field. It is a lot of work, but also it has a cascading effect or impact on other surrounding structures as well as Northfield.

AI

So for now it is the current status of the walkway. For example, the widest area is 38 feet. I measured in myself and 22 feet that narrow is the between the dugouts, but if we move this fulfilled 15th in North literally, this poor field will touch this wrong area, which may be easily that we can, you know, create some walkways, but the existing, the narrow is the point it will create. After this movement between the dugout is only 7 feet, which is not enough.

AI

17, it's just enough for two persons to walk side-by-side, which is not enough to address the traffic during that there are tournaments, as well as even for their practices, and in addition, there is this new profile to encroach into the snack area that we need to either relocate this snack shack or we have to address that issues and which is essentially reasonably speaking, which you will entail to move this Northside poor field up for also.

A

Please finish up because your honor.

AI

Yeah also mentioned I also have a lot of the other costs that is not revealed on the 65% plan, for it, I was just going to add, add one more one thing, so these two bridges has to be removable and that, in order to remove those, the crane has to come, but there is no space, no existing road wide enough to access and for the crane access right. So, for instance, like I, don't know what the current currently city is plenty, but that's just an idle is speaking.

AI

If you are going to make this crane X through this path, then we will have to move the entire structures in this space or it is if we are creating some other spare other the widen this existing trail and have the access from the side. I don't know if the crane had is able to move this good.

A

This finish up your your way of lifetime yeah.

AI

So all of this additional cost, and also this madness- I really don't understand what the problem that we are trying to solve here, because there is already existing, very safe road or dam, our drive and Rodriguez and everything is very safe. So this is like an unnecessary project. There is not going to help for the safety of the students. So that's why I'm objecting and I urged the council to your vote for know for this 65 first design, design, okay,.

A

Thank you, snow Gao, followed by stella, followed by Tony Fong hi.

AS

I was I, came here, actually try to support my friend, Joey and other neighbors I live in near Lama, but my house is next not next to the trail which you are going to develop but I. My question is why you want to do this project I? Don't think it's a point. There's no point to do it because it's just waste of the man Lemar drive is very safe. My kids I saw so many students they drive.

AS

They walk on the street on the streets, the drive, the road is very white, it's very wide and safe and the the trail I, don't I, don't think it's a proper place to walk. Some areas is really narrow and there's no walk-in, no water in the creek. Why they want to walk. um You know narrow trail, ok, trail without water. They can just walk on walk on the street and there are so many trails County Park in the country parks. If people want to walk on the trail, they can walk.

AS

You know they can go to the county park. Why they need to do this here in the neighborhood. That's and I think if you want to spend so much money on such a short distance trail, it's a big waste. It's the waste of our money and I think the priority is to make the pressed ring, wrote more safety and the the bike bike lane more safety. That's the priority! Thank you. Hey.

A

Thank you. Next, we have Stella, followed by Tony Fong, followed by Ben afeard Oscar welcomed Stella, good.

AT

Evening, council members I want to talk about regna, Creek Trail as well. Many people have already presented the fact and I have a chance had a chance to review the 65%.

AT

Design now I right now, I want to talk about the common sense or there's it's a look site like so complicated. But actually, if you use your common sense, it's not okay.

AT

Okay, this is the trail we're talking about like okay, it's a crystal beautiful shoes. Okay, it you know, everybody likes it and look beautiful and it can bring food for fortune to Cinderella. But what we have here, regular, quick area- we don't have single real, soon, you're aware of feet. Okay, it doesn't. The shoe doesn't fit that the feet that don't that shoot and the feet of the feet. So what do we want to do here? Actually, we want to cut feet to fit into the shoes.

AT

Okay again, these feet, just like regular, quick area, and what we are doing here is try to cut this feet and we want to get you know, remove well, some park baseball field. We have problem with Lozano Erica Lang and we don't even know how to deal with it and our neighborhood is highly impacted. We want to just have very you know very you know just the product. We don't have enough solution to solve these privacy problems.

AT

Now you even want to just have, you know, spend a lot of money to do this. Cutting like, like just ask the doctor, pay the doctor visit and use them at high medical medical expense to cut its feet to fit into the shoes it doesn't work. Now you have your Cupertino City Council. That you know is here to make a good decision. Where do you want to do this? Okay, by the way, this is a Chinese idiom and every Chinese know what that means.

AT

Okay, here now I give a list of what we have already talked about in the past in the past one year. Let's compare the shoes with the okay I. Don't have enough time, so maybe let's say for shoes you need to you need to consider price and a budget, consider the quality and how it fit and consider whether it's needed or whether it's who want it, but all these they don't they don't I, don't have enough time right, yeah,.

A

You need to finish out the things okay.

AT

So maybe I skip this and let's move to the last page.

AT

Okay, all these facts have been already presented in the past 20 years now now your council members have will make a final decision, and this is a symbol actually I think the meaning is beyond a regular creek trail, whether we, our city, can pay attention to the other critical facts that residents presented and whether the city is able to wisely use limited budget and prioritize projects and whether residents in other Cupertino Cupertino areas will face the similar challenge similar problem tomorrow and whether we can have a common sense to view this problem.

AT

So we request stop cutting our feet to fit into this expensive, but useless. Chill. Okay,.

A

Thank you thank.

AT

A

Fong, followed by Ben afeard Uster, followed by Linda Wyckoff, welcome Tony.

AU

Mayor councilmembers, my name is Tony Fong I represent the law, incur homeowners association. Where are six houses that adjacent there are adjacent to the proposed Creek Creek Trail. First of all, everybody loves trails, everybody loves safe, cycling and pedestrian walkways, and so there's no argument there. However, I think this trail is just is a a bad project and not the right option. There are many issues, as many people have pointed out, so I'll just go through six quick ones.

AU

First, the truck is just too narrow one and then safe compared to wide save streets like Lamar. This trail is actually I, think less safe than then Lamar. You certainly could not fall into a creek on Lamar. The cost continues to go up because of unforeseen issues. The the latest being this whole baseball field, Fiasco unbelievable that we didn't see that initially, how much will this trail finally cost? At the end, who knows the maintenance cost would be huge. The proposal is to have railings along the entire trail and countless bridges.

AU

Now, one or two who we don't know how many, but each time the main maintenance of the Creek is required. We're gonna have to remove those railings and bridges put them back at high cost and probably damage to the structures and the trail. Every time you put heavy equipment out there.

AU

The trail goes against environmental concerns as well. Many environmental groups have said that they're, not a for City trails because of negative impact to wildlife and the need for stream preservation.

AU

The trail is limited access only usable during the daylight hours. This is such a short trail. Those that do not live on either end of the trail will probably bypass it anyway for more efficient routes.

AU

Everyone that lives adjacent of the trail will have their privacy and safety compromised. I've heard many stories about vandalism prior to the trails closure by reopening the trail to public access, we're going back in time in exposing everyone to old issues. I just have set the record straight, as everyone else has said. This is not our private backyard, it is Water District land. We would be trespassing, we went on it, so I was very upset to hear that people think that this is our private backyard. I urge the City Council chuckles project. Thank you. Hey.

A

Thank you. Next, we have out of fear tossed or followed by Linda Wycoff.

AV

Hi good evening, councilmembers facts are really hard. Facts are not romantic, they are boring, but they remain faxes where you have to base your decisions or so, as the city council decides on budget priorities for the next year, please keep in mind that you are allocating taxpayer-funded dollars to deserving projects that serve the needs of citizens and just not special interest. Feely good projects pushed by advocacy groups which appear good on paper but wasteful in practicality. This is not the way reg not Greek.

AV

Looks it's not a straight line, a case in point ragnar creek trail. The project is fraught with major engineering challenges and resultant costs will run into millions. There are many many reasons and facts to back this up. So what is the problem? We are solving with 0.8 miles of trail.

AV

It's an alternative to what the safest streets in Cupertino, with a width of 4, 40 feet and shaded sidewalks of 4.5 feet, which are already marked as safe routes to school, the Cal strand data and our bike fed maps in our bike pen plan both reflect the safety of the streets through their collision map. You will see that this is the Caltrans map. I, don't think that is any doubt on that authority. Not a single Street parallel to the trail is on this map. The project in the city's bike plan was a low, tiered project.

AV

The project was evaluated with a score of mere 48 out of 100. It was 38 in the list of priority of projects under tier 2 before it was pulled out of line and snuck under McClellan corridor in a brown act violation, but that's the matter. For another day, the proposed Ragnar Creek is barely 0.8 miles of non-contiguous Park involving mid Street trail heads on Blaney, Rodriguez and Fair Lawn. Contrast this with current existing safe crossing at stop signs on these streets that students use having children zipping in and out of blind spots at 3:00 points.

AV

Navigating additional hazardous crossing on busy streets all to get from one point to another is absolutely not the safest way for them to get to school. Most collisions happen at street crossing. Not only does the research data show that, but our own biped report states this- that many collisions involving bicyclists occurred along arterioles or at the intersections of arterioles with existing bike infrastructure during daylight hours.

AV

The proposed trail is merely 0.8 as a non-contiguous filled with abstractions, with barely a treat across four users. It does not comply with even the basic common sense trail guidelines of Caltrans ash, tow or Santa Clara interjurisdictional uniform. How do you justify spending millions on the trail that does not even follow common-sense standard? The trail will have major impacts to Wilson Park. The major impact on homeowners here is the picture. Here is what we are going to get. Can you see that pink flower florid you're going to get pebbles there? That is the homeowners protection?

AV

The concerns that rod raised that the homeowners concern should be addressed. This is we are going to get pebbles here, that's the homeowners and we will be policing. We are because the sheriff has said your homes are vulnerable. You have to install backyard cameras. You'll have to install security systems to keep your home safe. Our insurance costs are going to be hiked up water district maintenance here is some pictures of the truck. You can see the width of the trail house. The trucks are how close they.

A

Are gonna fail, please finish up your way way over time here it.

AV

A

AV

Cost of the trail will far exceed two point: four five million just close to public and will be closer to four and six million dollars.

AV

And one last point: the water district says that they are against alternative. One is the preferred alternative, that's in the feasibility report, but has the most adverse effect to district maintenance, access and operations. Alternative, four or five will have the least impact to the main. So, even though Water District does not want alternative one that is reg, not Cree,.

N

Thank you. Okay,.

A

And last we have Linda Wyckoff welcome Linda thank.

AW

You, okay, so I'm continuing the nieghbors speech, so I would urge you to look at the facts. The cost of this point eight miles of wasteful project and make a wise and thoughtful decision. The citizens of Cupertino deserve better, please be driven by facts and need, and not a feel-good proposal and coalition group petitions for the trail, which have glaring omission, omissions and misinformation. Here are some of them they're the only there are only ten people who are supposed to this trail. That is certainly not true.

AW

You all know it and you can check the yard signs. If you have any more questions the homeowners abutting, the trail are using it as their personal recreational trail. This is no trespassing, Water District land and the homeowners can be cited like any other residents for trespassing. The creek path- and you know you've all seen it- and you know this place is really a pit. You would not use it as a playground or a picnic ground. Apple grant is funding. The ragnar Creek Apple did not want any part of this path.

AW

Doesn't do them any good and they probably saw the uselessness of it and emissions. The water district does not prefer this trail because it hinders their maintenance work. That is so true. The maintenance guys we've spoken to with them, and they don't want it. The narrow width of the trail will have no lights and the and be open from dawn to dusk.

AW

The trail will remain closed during water district maintenance and whenever they direct the city to close it, and they found that our guy running around with a golf cart closing all the gates ten gates. Is it feasible? It's not. It doesn't make any sense. The baseball field and Wilson Park will be impacted. That's been said, ok, the actual cost of the trail. They say, 2.1 million I. Think it's going to be more like triple.

AW

We waiting to see the cost breakdowns, but when I see all these numbers adding up we're all smoking they're all spoken up individually, when you add them all together and take all the ones that are spread about. It's gonna be more like six million and it does not matter if there are a thousand signatures 1500 signatures. If the petition signatories are provided with misleading information, then the petition in support becomes questionable and, as my husband said, this is not a personality, a popularity contest.

AW

Please use your good judgment and your common sense and vote this down. Vote this out of Cupertino and also another thing that I wanted to add is that we've been accused of harassing staff. We do not. We were pulled into this thing totally against our will and we are in a defensive mode. We have to work to see what the city is up to and report back to the City Council, because how else would they know? Thank you very much for your time. Thank you.

A

That ends all communications. We are on to reports by Council and staff in our new new order of the agenda, so we can start with Jon in reporting her last month, since we didn't have a meeting so.

W

Urgent fill thing, saving our other activities for the end. There's only committee as I.

A

Made the assignments oh.

W

No committee assignments this week. Oh.

X

No on May 23rd I attended the next right Yeah.

A

X

On May 23rd I attended the Silicon Valley Regional interoperability, Authority meeting. They approved their annual budget and I'm pleased to report that it looks like they're really making a lot of efforts to build out the system. It's a radio tower emergency system for use by our various law enforcement authorities and in the valley on June 3rd.

X

Vice mayor, Chao and I met with a staff member kdeeny O'meara to talk about as well as our city managers. Talk about the Commission's item that we have coming up. We're trying to put this on today's calendar, but it's a bit overloaded. So we're going to put that into the June meeting on both June 6th and June 13th.

X

We had a library working group meeting and I thought it was very effectively led by our staff member Roger Lee and attended by various members of the community, including those from the Cupertino library foundation, a couple of representatives from our own library Commission, as well as a former commissioner and council member vice mayor chow, attended the one on June 6 appreciate that that attendance I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to make it and so later. On.

X

In the meeting, I will ask our council to authorize a delegation of authority to our city manager to go into design and architectural set of agreements as necessary to you know, go forward with the project, but yeah I thought our library working group meeting is going along quite nicely Thanks great.

A

Ok, I, don't have anything. I was away for the last two weeks, so vice mayor job, so.

C

That left me very busy, so I guess I just go for the original assignment. I attended the joint meeting with cosd I think John. Well, he was there also and CST wonders about the field, maintenance and rental fee. We charge. They think we they can do the maintenance with much lower cost and then they can benefit from the rental fee. So we need to continue that discussion and I attended the a bag general assembly in Oakland away voted to approve the work program and budget.

C

However, a questioned that the consultant fee that they has has a huge increase in their budget and they couldn't explain it and then I attended the MTC. A burger regional advisory group, meeting I think San Francisco, but I attended livestream. They are discussing plan area 2050 with more projection of office, but then they are also considering potential office. Cap cities always dramatic a job housing balance and there is also new methodology for Rena a location and then attended the city's association legislative committee meeting on behalf of rod and the board meeting they approved.

C

They took some positions on state bills,.

A

Great okay rod, yeah.

Y

I appreciate your doing that I've been out of the country last several weeks, the the one piece of business that you know. We worked on last time mayor that I know you've been out of town too, and we I'm hoping we can get out the next day or so. Pending.

Y

Your review is the letter to the VTA board and the 85 PAB on what we'd like to see I think if we can get that out into the next day or so that what that'll give us an opportunity to do is try to build some working consensus around it with cities like Mountain View that you know are also a passionate and interested. So hopefully we can get that review done. I think the staff did a good job. I had made some editing suggestions so sure.

AJ

That's my only one request and the other.

AB

Y

On July 2nd- and we need a little time before that- to write to get it together. Okay, yeah.

A

I'm sure we can get our transit up to the level of Berlin and Vienna.

Y

In the next Weiser yeah I was mentioning, for example, in in any of these larger cities right Frankfurt in in the outer suburbs. This is Sunday at 7:00 p.m. and on a Sunday night had ways of every five minutes in the outer suburbs. At 9:40 p.m. when we came back from from dinner, had ways of every 10 minutes. So that's right time between the trains and that's why? Even if people have cars, they give them up gosh. It should be great if we had a alternative like that here, for people struggling through stopping commute I.

A

Also rented bikes at every occasion, there's protected bike lanes everywhere, share.

AJ

A

Treants and kind of scary, until you get you stuff so.

Y

Yes, we can get that letter out the next sure. Yes,.

A

Okay, sorry appreciate.

C

Association also had a presentation about the rich code so yeah. They are saying that we need to act quickly by the end of the year and there was also presentation by San Jose about their new scooter ordinance how what can, how they're with their revenue? So if we want more information, we can talk to them.

Y

A

So we're on to consent, I have two requests from the public to pull item nine and item 12, whether any requests from Council members to pull any items.

X

I'll move items six through sixteen accepting nine and twelve second.

B

Motion carries unanimously: okay,.

A

So item nine is the Housing Commission work program. So do we have a representative to talk about that and I guess we can have the citizens come up and speak about their concerns. Jennifer Griffin.

N

Good evening City, Council and staff, thank you all for being here. I did attend the Housing Commission meeting and I. Believe this item did go to the Planning Commission recently and I. It looks like there's a lot of good things that the Housing Commission is going to be working on in their year-long plan. I just wanted to talk about. One of them, which was incentives to build ad use. I was I, have had a lot of concerns about the ad use. Some of it was promoted by the onslaught of Adu bills in our state.

N

A lot alone that 200 million housing bills that are coming down and I began to wonder whether this was going on in Oregon and and Washington State, and lo and behold there's a bill very similar to SB 50. That is loitering its way through Portland, and it would do the same thing for Oregon that SB 50 is trying to do for California and in Washington State.

N

There is HB 1, 797 and SB 5 8 1 2, which are two ATU bills for the whole state of Washington, surprise, surprise and they would have every r1 residents in Washington state could have a duplex or a triplex, but on it. If these bills were passed, it would eliminate off street parking. It would eliminate owner occupancy of Maine house. It would eliminate minimum lot size.

N

These bills were shut down and what they were introduced in February of 2019, and they were halted and stopped on April 18 2019 in Washington, State and may I commend the state of Washington. Washington is not California, but then again, these bills are very similar to 80, 68 and 69, and the Laura Friedberg one where you can sell your aid to you do.

N

God knows who and I really don't think it's appropriate that because of the issues with the ADA you and because of the massive amounts of housing, those that are coming down, which we are doing our best to try to understand and challenge and as I have said before, the housing bells and the ATU bills has given me cause to ponder democracy in my own home state of sacrament of what is going on I'm, beginning to ponder, what's happening in Oregon, where my brother's home in Portland, my niece's future home, could wind up being a duplex and wash what would happen to Washington State I.

N

Don't think that we should be trying to actively promote the ad use? Yes, let's find out about them, but I, don't think it's appropriate that the Housing Commission should be studying how to make them come in faster when the public still has great questions about them. My compliments to the staff. You all have spent dedicated hours, trying to understand what we want, and this is not what I want for the Housing Commission. But thank you very much. Hey.

A

Thank You Jennifer.

A

AX

A

Yeah Kerry: do you want to talk about.

AY

Sure, good evening, mayor and councilmembers before you, you have the Housing Commission fiscal year, 1920 work program which includes six items from the city's work program to additional work program items suggested by the Housing Commission. The first is identifying a list of city-owned parcels to be considered for affordable housing. The second, which is invite community groups to present on affordable housing topics, which we did at the last Housing Commission meeting.

AY

We had two of our grantees present and then we also have the addition from a council member of the last item on the attachment which I believe was a desk item this evening to monitor, participate and report on a bag, regional, and so the commissioners will attend in report back on regional housing issues and I'm available for any questions.

AY

A

Anyone from the council have questions so.

C

I I requested that item.

A

C

I understand the staff is already following the a bag meeting, because a bag is working on plane, plane, Bay, Area, 2050 and they're forming that a different kind of growth model and they arm works.

C

They are modeling a faster growth even than the 2014 model and so beside a bag. Also, each city has a series of meetings on Rena location. They don't have to attend the meeting because they are. These are all video recorded and just I guess follow along I'm, hoping both Housing, Commission and Planning Commission should follow.

C

You can watch, live stream or a recorded a video, and they have presentation so I actually prepared a summary of the meeting that I watched, and there is a timeline that I hope that we can keep an eye on, because there is a deadline to support some letter. Letters of intent in June I'm, not exactly I mean deadline, is September I'm, not exactly sure how that that is, but of interest is PDA.

C

They are separating PDA into transit reach and something called connect to the community, which is any bus route. That's 30, second, in peak time. So these are things I would like Housing, Commission and Planning Commission to keep an eye on.

A

Y

Anyone else I'll just mention I read the Mercury News I I, read that in San Jose they've introduced a proposal. I, don't know that the council's voted on it there, but to to look at specific proposals that would streamline Adu production for a below market rate. Housing. Are you familiar with with that proposal?

Y

Yeah, so I I would be interested in under item I'm. Here. Looking at having the Housing Commission look at what San Jose is proposing to do. We've talked about this at the cities Association over the last year.

Y

How could you house more teachers in your city?

Y

So if we're serious about building housing seems like one win-win potentially for property owners, as well as those who might want to live here, where they're teaching, for example, or want to work for the city or whatever might be to build units that we would consider moderate income below market rate units, the homeowner is some fees may be waived by the city in consideration for maintaining that unit in our housing stock for some period of years after it's constructed for moderate income, this missing metal, housing, I think is so critical to retaining the kind of folks that we'd, like.

AJ

To have embedded.

Y

In the community and then also represents a win for homeowners, who would like to make some improvement on their property and and make some space for somebody like a teacher, so yeah.

C

I appreciate that actually I had a meeting with Silicon Valley Housing Trust. They provide loans for low-income housing and they are working on a program that will provide loans for people to build a de use specifically for moderate income.

V

A

I'm I hope we're not giving incentives for ad use they're used solely for short-term rentals, but for moderate and low-income rentals I mean I. Think that's a good idea so and I'm sure the Housing Commission has considered all that I.

AY

Can add to that the Housing Trust Silicon Valley is on our presenter group to bring their programs to the Housing Commission I. As of right now it looks like they're coming in August, so I'm.

Y

Thinking Liang has it right that it had to do with loans and things that were made available, but some.

AJ

Y

Know looking at some incentives that could be offered in order to increase our housing stock for those folks, we'd like to have so. Thank you. Okay,.

A

Let's see the other did.

B

You want to vote, oh yeah. We need to vote on that sorry.

A

Okay, so can I have a motion for item nine to approve the work program.

Y

A

Move item: nine with.

Y

With the changes right.

X

Liang is offered now so yes right window with the table changes. Thank you. The dust changes is.

A

There a second second.

B

Motion carries unanimously so.

C

I've made a copy of these notes out just some gift to all the community.

A

So the next item pulled from consent is item 12. Regarding the antenna ground lease. Can we have a staff report.

AZ

Sorry, councilmembers Chad, Mosley, City Engineer, this existing ground lease is for an existing antenna. That's located at the service center we're extending this lease because the last one expired. It actually expired. Some time ago the lease is substantially similar to the previous lease agreements, with some modifications to the rental rates. We've we've increased the rental rates substantially and we have a yearly multiplier that increases that lease rate I think there was a member of the public that had some questions about it and I'd be happy to answer any questions. They have great.

A

So this is Jennifer Jackson Parker welcome.

P

Good evening, Jennifer Jackson with Parker legal group I'm actually here on behalf of the lessee entity, I wasn't intending for it to people from consent.

P

Apologize, okay,.

A

You didn't want to pull this yeah.

P

I put a note on there that I was just available for questions.

A

Oh okay, right, yeah, I, see that and the small print there. Okay, all.

Y

Right. Thank you. Thank you.

A

I'll move item 9 sec, all.

Y

V

So sorry, okay, second.

B

Motion carries unanimously.

A

Are there any second readings of Ordinances? No.

B

Mr. mayor, hey.

A

Rhonda public hearings, public hearing to consider and approve the capital improvement plan. Mr.

B

A

B

I interrupt that this is where you want to possibly reorder the agenda.

A

Oh right right, sorry, okay,.

A

So we're proposing to move item 21 and 22 before item 17 since 17 is going to be very lengthy. Would you like a motion? Yes, please.

Y

A

Moved okay, I'll! Second, it.

B

Motion carries unanimously.

A

Okay, so we are on to item 18 right, wait. No, we only I think.

Y

We're going to 20 now right all.

A

Right: okay, that's right; move them ahead, but then okay, right 21 and 22 okay item 21 implementation of an 18-month pilot program for on-demand community shuttle with via we can have a staff report.

BA

Let's get someone over here.

BA

Good evening mayor members of council, Roger Lee your Acting Director of Public Works, you know before I start. We have several public works as a few items tonight, and I and I I want to recognize. I know this. This is out of term, but this will be Tim Borden's last public meeting here with the council and I just wanted to recognize. You know with Tim.

BA

You know the pleasure I've had in working with with Tim over the last eight and a half years and and what I've learned from Tim and being able to take ideas and come out with even better ideas when I left his office. So I just want to recognize that with Tim before I get started with. This he's been a great person to work with and a friend of mine. So with that I'll introduce the community shuttle pilot program, this project was can.

A

You talk into the microphone, yes, I'll.

BA

Do that so this was brought to Council on April 30th survey results earlier in April, then again on April 30th and counsel had asked that this be considered.

BA

You know with a budget this year and what Chris will be giving the presentation, and if you do ultimately choose an alternate, that's being recommended or the other alternate do you know that we will then proceed in the selection process and be bringing the the vendor via the an agreement for you to authorize and concurrent with that will be a very robust strategy as to how we will implement the outreach for the community shuttle program so that we really hit the ground running and so with that I'll just introduce Chris here.

BB

Good evening, council members.

BB

So Roger covered this, but at the April 16th council meeting we gave a presentation on an online survey that we conducted last summer and we also, we also gave an overview of an on-demand shuttle proposal that was well received by Council and directed staff to include it in discussions for the April 30th budget meeting and then at that meeting we did have a discussion about an 18-month pilot program and counsel had some concern about the overall cost of the program, especially in light of other budget priorities.

BB

So what we did is we went back and engaged the vendor and thought up ways to bring back a a more streamlined lower-cost proposal, and so that's what I'll be presenting this evening.

BB

So what we have here are three alternatives really to that involve moving forward with with the pilot at this time, so alternative a the way that we arrived at. These reductions in cost are by raising the fare and reducing the amount of discounts that would be offered so an alternative a we would have 10 via vans with a five-dollar fare. The projected cost at our target utilization rate.

BB

The estimated cost would be one point, one: six million dollars the estimated cost, the the number shown in orange is 1.75 million, and what that orange number is is funds that would be set aside to give the city staff the ability to reduce those fares. If the five dollar higher fare is a deterrent to ridership that would allow us to gradually reduce that fare until you hit the sweet spot where the ridership is high. In this second alternative alternative B, that's an even leaner approach.

BB

It would have eight vans with a six dollar fare, so it's likely higher fare, which would have an estimated cost to the city of 882 thousand dollars and again that's for the whole 18-month pilot and again in this proposal we are asking for 1.5 million as a total envelope, so that we can adjust those fares if necessary.

BB

With that the the orange numbers any of these numbers can be mixed and matched if council were to want, let's say 10 bands, for example, and set aside less reserved to tinker with fares. That's certainly an option in alternatives. See that option would have staff pursued, grant funds and returned to Council when there's further information on a grant and not move forward with the shuttle at this time.

BB

So the there there are there is speaking of grants, there's a grant available through the Bay Area Air Quality Management District. It's called the pilot trip reduction program. That is a grant that is likely to open in the next month. Unfortunately, the city is not an eligible applicant. However. Vta is initially offering their support to apply on our behalf. That would involve some type of agreement between the city and VTA that would allow VTA to act as it passed through. That is a reimbursement grant, so there would still be a need for allocated funds.

BB

The city would need to pay via and then on a monthly basis be reimbursed through the BA AQMD via VTA, so it'd take a little bit of coordination, but that's our goal and then, at the end of this 18-month pilot, assuming council moves forward this evening with one with alternative air B, we would assess the different funding sources throughout the pilot, whether through AQMD or otherwise gauge interest in surrounding communities.

BB

We have heard after the April 16th meeting there was an article in the San Jose, Mercury News and many communities since have reached out to us and expressed interest in perhaps at some point working together on a program, so I just wanted to make that note. Also I wanted to mention. The question was brought up about whether lyft or uber could be an alternative to doing a shuttle and we're not recommending that at this time the mountain view TMA, has a pilot program called the mid day trip reduction program and it.

BB

What it essentially is is the coupon code and they haven't been able to provide data to the TMA above the number of trips taken and the amount of dollars used.

BB

They there is no guarantee that those are shared rides, so we don't feel like that would be a inappropriate use of public funds for this purpose and, lastly, we're asking for a sole source justification, a nod from counsel, because at this time via is the only vendor that provides a turnkey transit service, meaning that they're the only vendor that provides the transit vehicles, staffing management, the algorithm on the backend, etc. Now that chariot is out of business that we as the last company standing or only company standing and then at the end of the pilot.

BB

Since this is the pilot program at the end of the 18-month pilot, we would assess whether there are any new vendors that have come into existence during that time and if there are, we would issue an RFP at that time.

A

If we decide to continue with it, if it's correct.

BB

Correct and then, and then the as Roger noted, if the if council decides to move forward with with the pilot program, we, the next step, would be to engage via in a in contract negotiations, and we would bring back and a negotiated contract to Council for consideration at that time.

BB

We would also have a robust PR program to engage the community that with more details, so we can ensure a good ridership I wanted to end on the note that we we have two representatives from via that one that flew from Austin one that came from Berkley. Ironically, it took the same amount of time and they're both here this evening. Laney Sharpe is with with the partnerships, team and Megan richer are both here on this evening.

BB

If you have any specific questions or would like to hear from via and also the just latest update, the West Sacramento system is now at a utilization rate at four point, one six. That means there's that many passengers in a via van during an hour and they are they've generated 65,000 trips in a year's time in our projection for an 18-month pilot, is 160.

BB

8480 trips so now available for any questions you may have so.

A

How much per trip are we subsidizing.

BB

The trip subsidy would range based on the utilization rate, so it would depend whether or not that utilizations 33.5 for and it's it scales up right.

A

So choose one: choose, choose four and six dollars and.

BB

I'll need a moment to pull that okay and I.

A

Know we're currently subsidizing single-occupancy rise with the rides program. Correct, so do you see that any of those rides passengers would move over to the on-demand shuttle? Because you know the rise is very expensive. I.

BB

Do I think the Cupertino has contributed about 25 thousand dollars towards the right program. I could see that and VTA's are they already stopped participating in RAM I could I think it would be unlikely that Cupertino residents would want to continue participating in ride, because it has such a long order ahead time I think it's 72 hours, if I'm not mistaken, Wow yeah I didn't realize yeah so that the level of service would be drastically different. I can't imagine that people would be interested in continuing to use it if we had to be a alternative.

BB

A

Anybody else yeah.

Y

A

Y

Go so Chris and I have been corresponding after we discussed this previously, the air district that has funded many of these things I took action to approve a whole bunch of money. We have about at the air district about a hundred and forty million to improve air quality through mobile projects. That is things that specifically, we.

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Y

Regulate but we do offer incentives, we offer money to put in e V chargers and we we offer money for these kinds of programs, so we actually in on May 23rd, approved seven different projects like this.

Y

Many of them on demand programs with an average grant of six hundred and three thousand so I would love to see us go ahead with this as you're proposing, but one way or the other see how the program is working and either consider increasing the allocation because of grant funding and popularity or if we're not getting enough uptake in the program, consider dropping that $5 fare a buck or something based on the grant.

Y

Funding we're getting, but the one question I have for you, Chris is do you would are starting this program without that funding, be then less likely to have the grant it'd be less likely to? Let us have that acquire that grant funding, or does it not really matter? Do you think so?.

BB

I think that having proof of concept with numbers and utilization okay would be helpful to.

Y

The greenhouse gas, because we're basically saying we're committed now: yes, please help us so those projects, just so people know Presidio Presidio, downtown shuttle, Caltrain shuttle, ace shuttle, which is a VTA program, San Jose, State, ride-sharing and trip reduction, Union, City, transit on a transit, go tri-valley, on-demand, shared ride, shuttle and then first and right, first and last mile services to Walnut Creek mark.

Y

So all these things, the air district is funded and AIA, based on my conversation with air district staff, I think we'd have a good shot at at doing it, but I'd like to see us give this a try. It's it's not a replacement for what we're Altima Tinley going to be.

Y

It will ultimately need which is you know, transit on our major corridors between our cities, but I think demonstrating that we are serious about this and we can make some headway and moving folks around I mean we know that there are seniors and others who who really need who who lack mobility and given the poor service we get from VTA I think we just have to start something somewhere and so I'm in favor of this. Thank you.

X

I'm sorry to follow up question on councilman receives comments, so so I noticed that the the deadline for the air quality management district grants was March 15th and it seems like they're rewarding these grants a couple months later. What's the upcoming cycle looking like is that gonna be another year or we.

Y

Were told that they were gonna reopen very soon, okay,.

X

Y

There I think rewarding them on a rolling basis, so we.

BB

Were told that it would be open for applications within the next month, no.

X

C

Also raised on the list of part shuttles that you mentioned rod mentioned that's funded, it seems they are all connecting to some existing transit and part. Is that a requirement of getting that funding, because we don't have an existing transit here to connect to accept occasional trips to cultural? So most of our trips probably do not qualify. If that's a requirement, we.

BB

Are within the mapped area, so I've clarified that with a qm bein it we are within the designated area and we would be, can I doing an offering service to Cal train, which is all that would be necessary to qualify. So.

C

We will qualify for that. Grant. Okay and I. Remember I did a calculation last time it was about $12 per trip. That way would be subsidizing like I said: I mean not a substan. $12 per trip is a cost per trip. If we charge $5 per trip, we are subsidizing $7 per trip. There's that.

BB

Looking up that there was a email that I had sent previously that had a breakdown out of that chart that unfortunately, I can't find at this moment, but it it was a honor scale between I believe I want to say $6 around their linear mega. Do you or do you know if the approximate cost per trip.

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BC

I'm lanie short, so it's a range from basically an $8 implied cost per ride to a $13 cost ride, depending on utilization as Chris mentioned before. But if we're thinking about a utilization of for the implied cost per ride is $10. So as you know that if the ride costs a $5 and the subsidy would be 5.

C

So the cost way of looking at the 1.75 million, for example, or 1.5 million its- how the cost to the city after fare, could require coverage right, so the cost I mean the actual cost would be how much? How much do we expect to recover through the fare? What.

BB

Was the 1.75 million I'm sorry.

C

You said the $6 per trip, 8 Vince, that as the requested amount, it would be 1.5 million dollars. Yes,.

BB

C

That's after the fare recovery was $6, so.

BB

That the amount that we're estimating the cost of B is the 880.

V

BB

To run that service, the orange figure, the 1.5 factors in additional cost that we would not intend on expending unless the ridership was low and we need to adjust the fares.

C

How about coordination I think we will senior citizens need to call into request because they can use the smart phone they are would always be covered. Yes,.

BC

C

All parameter in the so the actual cost is about a million dollars with fare recovery.

BB

C

So I mean the actual cost would be about a million dollars right. The.

BB

Cost of the city- yes,.

C

If you look at attachment.

BB

Attachment a there are two pages to that and if you look at the reverse side, its cost and that fair marks that gives you the approximate that the projected costs a city for both alternatives. So the staff recommendation for ten vehicles at 3.5, the cost of city is one point, one six zero and for eight vehicles, which is alternative, B, its highlighted at a six dollar fair, that's, eight hundred and eighty-two thousand as a cost to see the unknown is.

V

BB

Extra funds that we're asking for so that we can ensure that these fans are filled with passengers and.

C

If we get grant, is that one-year grant? That's that's not on going right. It's just it's.

BB

A one-year grant correct so.

C

That means if the pilot were successful and the we would like to continue the program we are looking at an operating cost for the city of a million dollars a year, potentially.

BB

If no other grant, if no other sources.

C

Of potentially, you might not have a continuing grant every year correct.

BB

C

Then there is no. This is won't, be self-sustaining because we wouldn't likely charge it fully for our residents. So then it will be. We will be looking at, for example, in thirty years, that's thirty million dollars sort of like what I'm looking at is. We have a lot of capital project that we find the it's very hard to find to find money like City Hall, $75 million the seven million seventy million dollars sounds a lot, but if you have even if you spend two million dollars per year, you can fund out in 35 years.

C

But then here we are looking at okay 1 million per year. It doesn't look like not much for one year, but if we do want to have that which I think seems, but we would be looking at this is a 30-year plot. 30 million dollar project for 30 years kind of like that.

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C

Piloting does that that means our way. Okay was going with death, yeah.

BA

That's the key, it is a pilot and we would be looking at what our actual numbers come in at and then we would have a decision to make at the end of that pilot. Whether or not it made sense. But.

C

I mean even if it makes sense, even though you're tonight station is good, we will still be looking at 1 million dollars per year, but.

BB

Potentially, but one point I do want to make is part of the point of having a pilot and having a proof-of-concept is that there there are many other funding sources that could be available.

BB

Caltrain is a very high interest in having high ridership and they're, going through a business plan update and with the electrification of Caltrain that will result in trains coming every 20 minutes and right now the highest amount of growth in the county is in the Gilroy Morgan Hill portion of Santa Clara County. So there is funding being discussed, they're funding measures being discussed that are not yet fleshed out, and so we think that having a pilot that demonstrates, a strong demand will put us in a position to qualify for other grant funds.

BB

So it's really hard to say this far out 18 months out whether or not what what funding sources would be available at that time. There are many options and.

C

I asked about uber or lyft, because their investors are at least now subsidizing their rights because they want that program to be successful and that you Joe uber pool right I take is about five dollars. I can go to other destination beyond Cupertino I can go to San Jose Santa Clara Sunnyvale is not limited to Cupertino, but with this program, I can only go to Cupertino locations.

C

So that's why I proposed that thing through email that if there is a model we can use uber, lyft or other type of right here we service that we provide uncalled for any trip beginning or ending in Cupertino. That's more flexible, more people would use it and we don't have a fixed upfront cost. We, our cost, is how much voucher we are willing to provide. We can say subsidize two dollars per trip, so it's three dollars per trip for the users, then that might be more attractive.

C

I understand that you say the mountain real model didn't work because uber was not willing to Intel limit the voucher issued by Mountain View to only pull sure sure the route so I wonder. Have we spoken to over? Are they because it should be easy in the computer program to distinguish this? Coupon only applies to perform yeah.

BB

C

BB

They do offer that with the coupon code, what they don't offer and they're secretive about is their data. They will only allow you to see that the coupon has been used. They won't show trip, origin or destination data, and so there's no guarantee that that trip was was shared.

BB

The difference with via is that their model was based on ride, share a pool concept, so the city would have a dashboard that, at the real-time, would tell us how many trips were shared rides versus not knowing, and you could be subsidizing taxi trips that are have one vehicle, one occupant in them, which doesn't replace a trip, but.

C

You still do burr is able to live with the coupon to only apply to Wooper pull. Yes, then that means the uber pro will have the potential to be shirt by someone else. The only time when it's not sure this, because no one else happens to be around.

BB

V

Right, correct.

C

So you are saying it won't be sure. That's not true. The only downside for using uber or lyft is at this point. They are unwilling to share the day it.

BB

May be, it may be, showed I wouldn't characterize it, but that's the only difference because via does more in-depth background checks of their drivers, which allows us to allow children, ages, 14 and older, with parental consent to use the program there's a number of other distinguishing characteristics between via that perhaps Laney and Megan could speak to. But it's a completely different model and currently uber and lyft do not offer a comparable service. It's also Luber and lyft rely on personal vehicles and they're. Another.

V

BB

Other considerations as well: that's.

C

Why she /, though, so the city will be paying for all this.

BB

So I pulled up I pulled up a lift ride to the Cal Sunnyvale Caltrain station, just for comparison purposes right now on a shared lift ride, it would be ten dollars and fourteen cents. So so this would bring Cal train service to Cupertino residents for half that cost, but.

C

The way I was subsidy for the tail train ride is in fact higher. It's actually more than twelve dollars. We are just subsidizing it right. You can't.

A

Know the city's not subsidizing the Cal train ride. It.

C

Takes longer so in some sense it's taking number it's it's okay, so as I understand, Cupertino is your first client in the area right actually.

BC

We have a number of projects in California, so the closest here would be Marin. We also work in West Sacramento, science is far for you. You know in the conducts what we work with la Metro octa. I think those are all of our oh and Sam trans. Excuse me, so those are all of our California projects and I think just a touch on Chris.

BC

What Chris was saying is we were very committed with working with the public sector with working with cities and transit agencies, and that manifests itself in many ways that might be data sharing, additional safety and background checks and working with you to share the data doesn't and allowing you to own. The data means that you can have those insights to plan for the future.

BC

So when you think about 5 10 30 years ahead, you will have the insights or utilization and performance and efficiency and vehicles to actually create a system that works well for your city. Where is you know more of a short-term program of just saying we will spend a few dollars towards of getting someone from A to B?

BC

Doesn't necessarily you know, confront issues around congestion or larger transit planning that you may want to enable in the region or grants you may apply for so I think that something that is for via its it's not sort of a tangential thing. It's really central to what we're doing we're in over 60 cities globally, and only six of those are our direct-to-consumer operations, so New York, DC, Chicago, Amsterdam London, another small city in the UK.

BC

You would use us similar to the way that you might talk about using an uber polar lift line, but all those other cities globally is we're partnering directly with the public sector, and we have a real commitment to making sure that those partnerships work for our public sector partners and that that manifests itself in everything that we do and everything that we strive to do so.

C

What I'm trying to get is if Cupertino, youth via and this pilot is successful even before it's successful, maybe many other cities will jump on it. So would you be willing to give give us more of a discount so that we can lead a pack of cities and via can expend in Silicon Valley, so.

BC

I think that you know I haven't been as involved in the business development conversations as Lanie has, but I believe that we've been as aggressive as we can on pricing. It's very important for us to partner with you guys and so like well before we stand here before you, we've pushed as hard as we can to come up with a model that you know. We think that will work for you and we'll be able to build a sustained partnership.

BC

We are you know we want to grow with you, but we also need to make sure that in the process we we don't put ourselves out of business, so we're trying to strike a balance and it very important to us but I'm, pretty certain that we've been as aggressive as we can.

BC

If there's specific elements and that you're concerned about whether that's you know, farebox risk for something like there are elements of the proposal that we can dig into, but but we've been very aggressive under Chris's guidance, because we know that budget is a major concern.

C

A

Okay, okay, John, so.

W

My my questions are kind of trying to put this into somewhat simple terms, so we're saying if we were to go with the alternative, be six fans six trips per day.

A

W

Sorry, six fans, six dollars per trip.

AX

W

Them to be is alternative, B I'm, going on the low side. You know so sick, oh I'm, sorry, eight fans, six dollars per trip for if we assume 4.1 people per van, we would wind up out-of-pocket, eight hundred and eighty two thousand dollars per year.

W

But my first question is: then: what do we consider success? So I missing some some numbers here with the eight bands, how many people per year are being moved in your vans.

BB

So I can respond to that. Okay.

AJ

Sure so in that scenario,.

BB

And alternative B yep.

W

BB

Number also is based on a 3.5 average location. That's.

W

BB

Is are also our metric for success in this pilot. Okay, given that Cupertino is a very suburban area and as a transit desert, you might expect a much higher utilization in New, York City or some dense urban walkable area.

BB

So getting back to your questions, so the.

BB

Sorry, could you repeat the utilization rate you're asking regarding the how.

W

Many people have.

BB

Very weird: that's right are.

W

Being moved by so is about.

BB

30 passengers per hour are moved for van, so approximately per year. That comes out to a hundred and twelve thousand three hundred and twenty trips that occur and.

W

If we're saying three point five people per van, so then we're essentially saying about four hundred thousand people a year.

BB

No, the the annual is a hundred and twelve thousand three hundred and twenty people moved. That's correct.

W

No people move so so when you say trips per year, you're saying people correct trips.

BB

Taken off the street, not.

W

BB

Yeah and the difference between I do should point out between alternative and be the ridership difference, isn't hot considerably different different? What's different is the time that you'll see that you will wait for your van to arrive, which could impact ridership you go in with juice. Do people have to wait too long? They may say I forget via this is too slow.

W

Well, let me kind of finish so I'm trying to get my my arms around what this picture really looks like. So, if we have three point: five people per van, a hundred and twelve thousand people, so then we're saying we've got essentially thirty thousand van trips per year. Thirty thousand I mean we got three point. Five people in every van.

AX

X

An hourly rate 3.5 is number of people using. Is that right, correct, okay, listen! How earlier 83.5 per hour prevent.

BB

You have to look at the total transit hours that are, and it's up and running so.

W

The the final number that I'm trying to get to is how many car trips per year are we removing from our streets. So you know for this eight hundred and eighty-two thousand dollars how many car trips are we removing from our streets?

W

Now if we have 3.5 people in a van at any one time and the van is one vehicle, and so we had three people, don't we don't talk about the driver so essentially every time the van runs around we're, removing two vehicles off the road and then how many vehicles per year are we were vehicle trips per year? Are we removing so that's the number that would really tell me geez.

W

Does it equate to eight hundred and eighty-two thousand dollars of taxpayer money? This number of vehicles off the off of our roads? One vehicle is moving three people, but we keep one vehicle because it's the van. You know that to me. Is you know what tells me it's going to be success or not just kind of saying that we're doing all these trips without that target? To me, that's what success is the cost. The final benefit yep.

BB

It's that's, it's really tough to say and the reason I say that is because the this program is also extremely popular with seniors seniors, that many of whom are housebound and have mobility issues and in anecdotally, in the West Sacramento system and in other via systems. More seniors have been taking trips that previously were not able to get around the city. So, looking at the numbers, I.

W

Would still give credit if, let's say that you know from what you're kind of describing the senior wouldn't have gone to the library had he not had, but now he is going to the thing. I'd say great I'll give credit for the fact that that would have been a vehicle trip that now was not on our street. So I'll say you get credit for all the seniors, all the school kids that would otherwise done something else.

W

So how many vehicle trips per year would we essentially say we're not on our roads for the eight hundred and eighty two thousand dollars to me?

W

That's where you know if I'm out talking to residents and asking them, do you support a shuttle if I ask them just the general question, they'll say yes sounds great and then I say well: it's gonna cost eight hundred and eighty two thousand dollars per year, they're going to stop now I need to tell them how many trips per year is that eight hundred and eighty two thousand dollars pulling off of our roads and that's the number I think I need to decide or justify convince residents. So.

BB

The reason that that's really hard to project and might be impossible to project is that having a connection to Caltrain I cannot state that enough. How critical that is? We can't project the change in people's travel patterns coming from the surrounding areas outside of Cupertino that could now be connected by mass transit to Cupertino.

BB

So we could look, we could look at and give you a number and say: oh well, it's one less trip for three point five per hour and come up with the whole algorithm, but what's more important is that it will change people's travel patterns that commute to Cupertino and so that that's really the the benefit of this program. It's providing transit access to Cupertino and an alternative that does not currently exist so.

W

I hear that, but being numbers driven, metrics driven, he can't tell people well, people's patterns changed in. So it's a success. You got to have a metric in terms of this. This essentially was responsible for 300,000 vehicle trips that were not on our streets during that year, and then people can say 300,000 trip, 880, $2,000, gee whiz sounds like a good thing. If it's Oh tell.

A

Me why we're doing the pilot right sorry to interrupt you.

W

Know but I don't think we can know the data until we do a pilot, but I think I think to understand what the target metric is put those assumptions in hands and say: okay with these assumptions, this would be the vehicle trips per year. Now we need to go and prove that either it was that less or more without that, what is the target?

W

What is what is going to allow you to say this was in fact successful for the eight hundred and eighty two thousand dollars, and you can't at the end of the project, say it changed people's patterns so.

C

I, don't understand what you are looking for, so he's so I think Chris said a year. We are expecting a hundred and twelve thousand trips right. That's four.

W

C

W

For eight vans for.

C

Eight Vince running.

W

Ten hours a day, yeah.

C

Ten dollars Earth Day yeah. What's the wait time by the way, what option for.

BB

Option a approximately 15 to 16 minutes during there there's a slightly longer wait during peak time and then option B would be more, are around 17 18 minutes in that window with a slightly longer wait time during peak during.

C

Peak is how long the.

BB

During the rush hour and then how.

C

Much longer do I expect approximately.

BB

Five to five minutes, or so it's it's hard really hard to project the demand, which is why we're recommending 10. We think that the the demand will exceed our expectations and it's.

AJ

BB

For via to add vans, there's a lag time because they have to order them. It.

C

Takes a few months.

BB

To scale up so.

C

So is for a hundred twelve thousand e per trip. That's about 851 trips per day, that's kind of their your average. Your target to to to make sense with this model. Right so can we say if we have more than 850 trips per day or more.

W

So I that that, with those assumptions, if everything was, you know right on those particular numbers, would you consider eight hundred and eighty two thousand dollars a year is justified for the one hundred and twelve 320 people.

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C

Have a question: can what people pre-order or trip pre schedule a trip pretty.

BC

Scheduling not a feature that we're doing as part of this deployment and basically when you introduce pre scheduling, it reduces your available supply. So if you had ten bands and two or three of them are pre-scheduled, then you've essentially got seven or eight vans that are available for on-demand pickups.

AJ

BC

It increases the wait time pretty drastically like.

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BC

A smaller deployment, we essentially recommend that they're not be pre booking, because it can pretty significantly diminish the quality of service for people. Who are you.

C

So for school hours would not be more effective use of the fit no.

BC

We find in general that it's it's a it's a much less efficient use of an on demand vehicle to be pre-scheduled because it essentially kind of blocks it from use in the general ecosystem. Where there's a lot of demand. So.

C

We are looking at a 15 to 20 minutes, wait time. I. Think uberpool is about five minutes.

BC

So I thought of that it is based on essentially the amount of vehicles and the size of the coverage zone and I. Think that there's been a pretty strong case made for the use cases within Cupertino and can ding to Caltrain at the stations that are sort of most relevant for for your population, and so that's kind of where the balance is always between essentially the size of the zone. The number of vehicles that you've budget for and then the quality of service are the wait time.

BC

So this is a sort of a balance that we think will still drive a lot of ridership and be a valuable use case. But of course, if you do more vehicles or a smaller zone and you get shorter wait times so.

C

What's the percentage of trips that you're estimating that goes to Caltrain in your model, so.

BB

We don't have a projection, but we have the survey that we conducted last summer and that showed a very high percentage of survey takers that would like to be able to access Caltrain as I.

C

Believe represent your model, shooting your model B, based on a certain percentage of.

BB

C

Actually, take that long distance to capture it.

BB

Did take that into consideration, it did take that into consideration and.

C

So, what's the percentage you are assuming in the model, a high, very high percent, fifty percent, thirty percent I.

BB

Don't have a fixed percentage, but the model does it can consider the Caltrain trips.

BD

Just for contact so in a similar service granted this this service in Arlington Texas is, is a bit larger in terms of the service zone, but there's a similar structure in terms of what they call a service island which is about three miles north of the zone that links to the the Trinity Railway Express. That takes people into the broader dallas-fort Worth area out of the seven hundred eight hundred trips that we're doing a day in Arlington about forty percent of those are that that connection to to the rail line?

BD

So it really serves the purpose of kind of connecting and complementing the existing public transit system within that to the community. So.

W

That seven eight hundred trips per day there so that's seven to eight hundred people. That's not seven! To eight hundred, you know Van trips, and so then you've got seven to eight hundred people per day. Do you have a number of? What's the average writer per you know, writers per van?

W

Are they at three point five? So you take the seven to eight hundred divided by three point. Five- and you say so so we've got our vans. Making this any runs a day. So.

BC

We do track utilization so that rides or what you're saying people per vehicle per hour. Trip per vehicle per hour rides per vehicle. Our this utilization number we track in all of our deployments, and it is quite high in Arlington I. Don't believe that we can just we I, don't think that we can just share their utilization number for four deployments, but but that is you know what we are tracking. You know to basically look at what is a successful deployment deployment.

BC

Is those two numbers right up: total ridership and utilization, because we basically want to make sure that people are using the service and that every vehicle is used efficiently and to your interest throughout the deployment we can survey riders about? What would their alternative have been, how they not use a via to get at the insight that I think you're looking for, which is, if they didn't use via? How would they have gotten at that point A to point B, and is this actually taking a.

A

Soak occupancy.

BC

Vehicle off the road all.

A

Right, thank you. Ron, do you? Did you have anything yeah.

Y

I just like to observe that in my considerably long tenure here, we've always talked about providing transportation.

Y

We specifically work hard with staff on finding a nexus when we impose development fees on new projects in the city, we worked hard to identify very specific projects that we could use to justify our transportation impact fee, which we've instituted now. I would think that this would be an example of something if we can demonstrate a concrete program. That's effective, for example, that this would be something that we could use to.

Y

I'll. Consider increasing that fee is that accurate staff? The problem is, if it's intangible, if we don't really know it gets harder, if we actually got a working pilot trial, this is something that we could actually use to justify fees that we charge for new development of the city, I.

AX

Think we could. We can look at that. The challenge may be that that would really be an ongoing operating cost and most of what you see in your in your development impact fees, our capital cost, but would be happy to look at that. I.

Y

See but so the alternative could be taxes or other things that that we would impose on.

Y

V

For these sure, Hinds.

Y

Of things right.

V

D

V

Could be used that.

Y

Could be used to help fund this as and help us meet our climate action plan as.

A

Well so I had one question: the 2019 VTA plan is adding a bus from Hooper extending the 5:23 to Sunnyvale Caltrain I, don't believe, there's a bus direct from Cupertino to Cal train. At this time, though, it would be wrong right, I, don't I.

AF

Just wonder if that's.

A

Going to impact the usage of the shuttle, as well as what some of these like retirement communities that provide their own shuttles now say hey. This is a better deal for us. Just you know, have our residents call call the via shuttle, because it's going to cost us less than operating our own system.

BB

That is a possibility regarding the VTA connection to Sunnyvale I think given pts ridership. That would be a huge concern right.

A

C

Hello is a normal travel time from Cupertino to culture and during peak hour, I believe.

BB

Just sunny vales it depending on traffic is about 14 minutes can be 20 minutes when traffic really bad and then to the mountain view, culturing stations a bit longer about five to seven minutes longer. So.

C

Most of the Caltrain trip probably will be doing peak hour, Oh going one direction and then the other two could be both yeah. Okay,.

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C

I think if I can see a continuous stream of a revenue stream to funding the shuttle, I would feel more comfortable. Otherwise, this is more like, say: 50 million dollar project, but if it were kept our project at least the of building, that would be there for 15 years, but this would be dollar that I won't see. But there is one idea: I think our hotel, where our transient X is 12%. If we.

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C

Tlt the hotel transient occupancy tax- if we increase that to to 14% and they use that as a continuous stream of funding for shuttle I would hope they would and there will be a canoes, continuous stream of revenue to fund this continuous average operating cost. Oh and.

A

I do have I believe I have only one comment card for this item from Jennifer Griffin. So if you'd like to speak now,.

A

Oh there and then Lisa whare.

N

Good evening, City Council, actually I just wanted to give a shout out to Tim. Thank you very much for your service. You've been during the traumatic times in the last couple of years. I think the staff really need all of the staff have really been through a lot as we have so anyway. Thank you very much and yes, I have spent a lot of hours and the last fifth I don't know how long I've been coming here.

N

16 17 years hearing about a shuttle that might occur and it looks like something is actually happening, and that is interesting about the Caltrain connection. We actually took Cal train a couple of times up to the Giants game a couple of years ago, but we went out of Mountain View I think once we went out of Sunnyvale, but we actually took the car there in part. That was a very interesting experience going to San. Francisco I was scared a lot of the time anyway.

N

What I would say about this is since I'm planning to be a very old senior in Cupertino we're retiring in Cupertino, we're not going anywhere and for a long time. I have noticed that you can't get from Stevens Creek Boulevard up to you blackberry farm without a car. Unless you move the entrance of blackberry farm I know. In the beginning there was an entrance, you could actually drive from Stevens Creek Boulevard as it went down by Blue pheasant. You could actually take a road up.

N

There was an alternate entrance to blackberry farm I like to see some sort of a shuttle or a golf cart or something that went from Stevens Creek Boulevard, actually up to blackberry farm I personally could not walk the mile from Stockholm, ire, I, guess, blackberry farm I can't do that. I can't ride a bike. I could ride a horse, but I think that we're looking at something here. We want to have access for people to be able to get to our parkland.

N

Then again, we also have Rancho San Antonio Park, which is at the north end of Cupertino I guess, and there is no access again from Foothill Boulevard up to Rancho, San, Antonio and I. Think that we need to look at that because you guys are talking about the last mile to Cal, train, etc or to Bart I'm. Looking at the last mile to our parks and I, don't know how we do that I I mean we.

N

We went to Santa Barbara once years ago and they had a little city shuttle, that's free and it goes all over the city and it was really cool to ride on and it was kind of a historical thing, but I would like to see some way to get up to blackberry farm and to get up to Rancho San Antonio park. Thank you. Thank.

A

You Jennifer next we have Lisa Warren, followed by Beth knodel.

L

This is really just a question. You can answer it on the spot and maybe the answer is somewhere: I could have access.

A

All I had shoot shoot.

L

The question is: do you have to have proof that you're a Cupertino resident to board the shuttle, or do you just have to be in a locations in Cupertino where the shuttle is picking people up? Okay,.

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BB

You do not need proof to be a Cupertino resident and the only place outside of Cupertino you could get. The shuttle would be at one of the designated Cal train station.

L

Somewhere else could park a car on our city streets and access the shuttle to Cal train, even though they're not a Cupertino resident all.

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L

In their car sits in our street, that's.

A

Correct but okay, every driven having driven to Cal train, I Jesse.

L

AO

A

Drive to Sunnyvale and parked in an area that's not time restricted.

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C

So right we also serve Chrysler right. We.

A

Do certain Kaiser right, we would serve Kazuya but not El Camino. We.

BB

Could add that we could also add areas like that at a higher cost to try to bring that the cost of the city down and.

A

You did know that Los Altos was interested in partnering with us as well. Okay, now I had that throat welcome.

AO

Resident like I, said: I, don't drive so I'm very interested in things like this I do take, Cal, train and I would say: I usually bike there, but it's if occasionally I'll over there and it during rush hour times it's way more expensive than $17 for sure. Also I just wanted to say to vice mayor tau. She was talking about uber being an alternative. I think that the issue I have with that is you're, actually putting more cars on the streets and I.

AO

Think if you look at idea of vans taking four people, if it's a hundred thousand rides there's one bandwidth for people that 75,000 rides are saving so I guess. My only question would be is kind of put my bike on the van I.

A

Was gonna ask that thank you for yes,.

BB

Yes, we they would, they would have my ground.

AO

And then what happens? How many in what happens when you max out bikes, I, believe.

BB

I, don't have to check with me I believe.

AO

BB

Bikes, maybe two to three bicycles max: these are small bands. There's seven passenger vans like.

AO

Is it a rack on the front or back, or is it like on the van I.

BB

Believe it's on the back of the heading Thanks.

AO

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BB

The via people.

A

Answer that for the bike, racks and.

C

Those a wheelchair.

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C

Also take away a chair which over doesn't.

BD

Hi this is Lina Thea. Yes, so the bike rack's. We are still kind of deciding exactly which ones, but what we're thinking the two and they will be on the back and they are accessible vehicles. I forget the exact count, but we typically recommend that fifteen to twenty percent of the total fleet be accessible and we can. We can certainly increase that if that's of interest great.

A

So I think it's time to call for a vote on this. Did you talk? I know.

X

No interest of time I'm, just okay, yeah, bring a motion so I motion that we want authorized staff to pursue developing an 18-month pilot program under alternative a for an on-demand shuttle not to exceed 1.75 million, to be included in the fiscal 19 20 operating budget and to find that the use of formal competitive bidding procedures is not practical for the 18-month pilot program, because via is the sole source provider of the community shuttle program.

X

At this time and direct the city manager to dispense with city bidding requirements pursuant to municipal code 3 to 206, oh and finally, three direct the city attorney to enter into contract negotiations with, via for subsequent council consideration. I'll.

Y

Second, that sorry.

C

I have to it no.

A

Question five million.

C

Dollars if / I did buy 20,000 households that's $75 per year per household, and we currently have this donor and fee for about $44 that hasn't passed. So.

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C

It doesn't pass, we would be covering the storm trend V of but.

A

That is how my meeting unreligious this it's unrelated. This is a pilot still.

C

This is a cost for everyone.

A

Going forward, we would have to identify a funding source for the first 18 months. We.

C

Will be funding it I was thinking th e text by the way, we're thinking th e text for city hall also.

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A

The question has been called: please vote with your lights.

B

Motion carries unanimously.

A

Okay, so we've been going for more than what? What time is it.

Y

Yeah I want I'd like to acknowledge, Chris and I. Think you guests.

V

AJ

Y

Brilliant job looking at this I think the on demand model seems to be the way things are going and I just I just want to acknowledge staff work here and I really appreciate how you've queued this up. So thank you very much. Thank you. So.

A

Let's take a five-minute break: we've been going for two hours, 45 minutes. Hopefully the rest of these items will go faster. Thank you.

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