City of Dearborn Heights, MI Dearborn Heights City Council Meetings, 27 Jul 2021

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The Dearborn Heights City Council Meeting taking place Tuesday, July 27th 2021.

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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, today is july: 27th, madame clerk, would you please take roll call, dave abdallah.

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Zoo hair, alcohol.

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He's here, just okay, we'll take attendance, welcome back in moby.

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Robert constance here denise malinowski maxwell here ray muscat here in tom wenzel. Here uh madame here, you have a quorum.

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Thank you, mr jackson, will be leading leading us in the pledge of allegiance.

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Tonight of the united states.

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Of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation.

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Under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you, everyone, please be seated. Next, we have agenda approval.

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Madam chair councilman constant, I move that the regular order of business for the july 27th 2021 regular meeting of the dear barn heights city council be approved for.

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Support by councilman b dune is there any discussion, all those in favor say: aye aye aye, those opposed the eyes have it. Next we have approval of minutes.

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This is the minutes from the special meeting of july thirteenth, twenty twenty one councilman.

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Abdullah, I moved at the darwin heights city council approved the minutes for the special meeting of july 13 2021 yep 2021 is outlined in item 4a support, support.

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By councilman bay dune is there any discussion, all those in favor say: aye aye, those opposed the eyes have it. Next, we have minutes from the regular meeting of july 13 2021.

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Council, chair councilman musket, I moved at the dearborn heights city council approved the minutes for the special meeting of july 21st 2021, as outlined in 4c support.

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Supportive councilman baedun is there any discussion, all those in favor say: aye aye, those opposed the eyes have it. Next, we have minutes from the special meeting of july 21st 2021.

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Madam chair councilman baidu, who that the democratic city council approved the minutes for the special meeting of july 21st 2021, as outlined in 4c, support, support.

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By councilman constant, is there any discussion, all those in favor say aye aye, those opposed the eyes have it next item on the agenda is public hearing and comment, and this is on agenda items only. You have two minutes and please step up to the microphone.

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Here, okay, see none, we will move on next. We have fun transfers and current claims.

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Madam chair councilman bayden move that to dearborn heights city council approve. The current claims 6-1 through 631 is, as submitted, support, support.

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By councilman constand is there any discussion, ma'am.

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Church councilman.

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um I had a question on item number 631, although obviously picking up of all the trash and all the extra trash that we've had out there because of the recent flooding, obviously is very very important.

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But I had a question. I just wanted to get a clarification this in regards to item 631. So I guess that would go to the mayor. um There was a company hired for flood cleanup for 14 blocks and the cost of that was 280 thousand dollars and on the back of the invoice that was at 14 blocks at 20 dollars per block for a total of two hundred and eighty thousand.

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So, although obviously I realize this is something that's very, very important and I'm glad and appreciative of the fact that you got a company to do that, but I had a question in regards to the amount um not being an expert on how much it would cost to pick up trash per block, but it's just for from just just for me it seemed a little excessive. So can you enlighten us a little bit on that? If you don't mind.

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Council, chair.

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Go ahead mayor.

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Yeah so that that company that came in, we actually talked to several companies, and that was the only company that was available at that time. So, as you know, it's the 14 streets that went through and they did the cleanup. So it was we when we did the tour with myself an emergency manager, every home was flooded that had all their stuff out there. So there was a lot of furniture, so they were, they were hauling a lot of trash. So it's not just the 14 blocks.

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It was every home that that they actually cleared almost their entire furniture was outside on the sidewalk. Okay. So just for clarification.

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With the mayor, are we talking, because you said 14 streets, because I in the document that I received it said 14 blocks and that's why I kind of questioned it. So is it 14 blocks or 14 streets, so total street yeah 14 of them? Okay, then, and- and so let me ask another question- to add to that being that your administration went out not for rfps, but obviously I presume some calls were made. Try to get some estimates was. Was that no and again I'm making it clear, I don't know what is normal.

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I just want to bring it up and ask the question: was that in line or within the norms of the different companies that you contacted, and I do realize, obviously we have to add an asterisk to this- that, under the circumstances based on it being an emergency, there, probably wasn't too many companies available. Needless to say, so sometimes I know you've got to pay. A little extra was that, in line with the other estimates you received.

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I actually talked to several companies that nobody was available. I talked to any any of any company within a lot with within a couple hundred miles of dear one heights. I couldn't get anybody to come in, they were all booked, so the only company that was one to do. This is a company that their dear is this to their heart is dearborn and dear one heights, which they started in dearborn heights. They finished dearborn and they came into dearborn heights.

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We we looked all over trying to find a company to come in, and that was the only company that was that we were able to get. Everybody was booked.

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Okay, I am as a realtor, I'm familiar with the company and they're very reputable companies, so this is no reflection on them specifically, but as long as it was within line- and most importantly, I do know that under an emergency as as all of our parents taught us, you got to do what you got to do so.

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Yeah we we went, I'm sorry uh councilman, so we went to uh the whole city. I mean you guys most of it. I don't know if you guys were on the ground myself, an emergency manager, the the fire chief, the police, we had fema. uh We had the sba we're on the ground. We saw the mess on the street.

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We saw people's.

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Reaction, we had to do what we had to do at that get the first company we were able to get was access trash, okay,.

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Appreciate it, thank you, council church.

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To try to clarify something with councilman abdellah before the flood- I don't know maybe a month or two before the flood. My wife and I decided to clean out our attic and we brought everything down into the garage and we called I didn't want to call get special pickup from gfl.

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I didn't know what it was going to cost and I didn't want to wait uh for six days uh with the stuff sit in my garage, so I called a company like that and for one third of their truck with three guys cost me almost four hundred dollars just by myself, so you figure what and I'm just talking one-third of that steak truck sure. So uh I paid 400 for that. So uh just imagine all that other rubbish that they picked up and how much that would cost. So I think it was.

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I think we got a great deal to do. 14 blocks or 14 streets at that price.

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Okay and comments: they did some streets for for nothing. So, oh, even after we stopped paying, you know they still went and they still clear some streets because they made the promise to finish some streets.

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Okay, thank you. Thank you, madam.

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Chair councilman abdul hawk 623- I just want to know- are we receiving monthly report from this company where they cleaned in what areas they cleaned the pipe.

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So, yes, we we decide what they do, so we have a list of what they do, but I will be coming back to the council. We were just discussing now. The storm system cleanup, not the sanitary, we're we're noticing um um something. After all, the floods we're having is that the storm system now is carrying some slurries in it because it was draining pushing out as opposed to end so we'll be coming back to do this.

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We just have to deal with that as a separate issue, but in terms of your question, yes, we will have a list of what areas and we're keeping track of what flooded areas. You know like high priorities areas for the next cleanup. It seems like what happened. It's happening more more frequently now.

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The reason I'm asking because some president sent pictures to all of us about the south's end, where there is drainage, which is basically totally like councilman councilman and please yes,.

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If we can hire him or hire somebody else, maybe to relief so.

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The reason for the blockage is again we're noticing uh we're just talking about this earlier, uh we're noticing that, because of the flood and the fa fla and the fact that the water is actually flowing out of the manholes it's bringing in with it some slurry, and if, if we leave it unaddressed in our pipes, it may be a problem in the dry weather event. So these things may actually cause more harm than you know. So we are, we are taking steps, we're looking at it. This is unusual.

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We've never had that done before so we're tracking the areas of problem areas, so it isn't as simple as just sweeping the top of the catch basins. We we need to go into the pipes, so that will be the storm system, not the sanitary. So we will be tracking that, yes, sir, thank you for the job you're doing.

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Councilman thank.

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You so much madam chair, and while I have you up here, director dave, if that's okay, if I can just add one more thing, I know it's. uh Yes, sir. I I would like to tell uh you know an investigation on our sewer system. I think I I think it's time it needs to happen myself, like a many residents. My you know on just this last uh saturday. Yes, my entire street was flooded.

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My basement flooded again it's the third time, um so I mean we really need to really dig in to see what's the issue. Clearly, these hundred year storms are happening, you know four or five times now, they're no longer hundred years. Yes, uh so the frustration amongst myself, my colleagues yeah, uh you know the residents.

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We need to do an investigation on what's happening with these source systems. Yes, sir,.

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Yes, I do believe we had this discussion earlier too. It's not totally uh us explained to everyone, so they.

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Understand so so the keep in mind that we are a combined system, so the storm, the storm, the storm system, the storm pipe system within the city of dearborn heights is not just limited to dearborn heights. So what we? What we see, if you look at the watershed, say the ecourse or the uh river watershed we are in the lower end. We are on the receiving end. So the watershed has the uppers. It's a large large watershed.

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So when when, when we get an event like the events we just had and and three or four inches or three and a half inches come on the entire watershed, the system is draining it's doing its job. So when the water gets in into dearborn heights, your 24 inch pipe is not 24 inch, it's bringing in more, it's 80, plus percent full. So you, when you go to try to you, know to add to it. You don't have that entire capacity available to you. It's draining other areas.

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So we've noticed that in some locations and we're keeping track of those in some locations in the city, the the water is actually flowing out of the system not draining into the system for the first. You know during the heavy heavy events.

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So that's what, when I say, we're noticing slurry coming in and this stuff is problematic because it it has nothing to do with leaves blocking the uh the catch basin. It's actually inside the pipes, and we wanted to be ahead of that issue because that's going to restrict my flow even more so the next rain event, um even if the pipe was empty, it has the slurry in it and we need. We need to address that.

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I just want to add just one more thing to that honestly on saturday's rainfall, and I don't want to you know I want to move on from this, but on saturday's rainfall it rained for maybe an hour. It didn't rain like that. You know the june 15th rain, but my entire street continued to flood my parents street I've lived in urban heights since I was in the third grade. I've never seen our our community or our neighborhoods floodless way. Yes, there's an internal problem, I'd like to believe.

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And- and we we start by looking at it, so it'll be videotaped first. If we have some issues, then we will look at flushing. um You know I mean, obviously we can't enlarge the pipes and make it unlimited size, but we will make sure that it's clear and ready for the next event. Thank you, you're welcome. Thank you. Councilman.

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Abdellah, yes, steve, since we have you up, I know veered off, you know, but this is an important subject. Obviously, so what is the answer to this? And and I'm looking for your expertise uh that you know obviously you're pretty knowledgeable on a lot of this type of stuff- is obviously I'm not, but this was built way back when and the topography of the area wasn't any different back 40 50, whatever it is years when they put that in okay, yes, there's a little bit more houses.

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What have you I get that, but I'm just saying in general, like I I had I had leakage in my basement and obviously many others did too. The challenge you've got is a lot of residents too, like my wife was asking me so we're gonna redo the basement, and it's like okay, well, you're, gonna, redo it, but we're probably gonna deal with this all over again, because there's still no solution and the solution. At least I seen in dearborn- and I know it's obviously very preliminary and dearborn- is somewhat similar to us.

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Okay, it's a little bit bigger city, but somewhat similar to this, but on that one on their website they had a 500 million dollars. So just using that ratio in those proportions- and don't quote me obviously- but we might be talking- 250 million 300 million 320 million- whatever the heck it is, it's definitely not more than a million right. What do we do or what do residents do, because it's not going to go away? This is going to keep you know as councilman baidu mentioned.

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You know they mentioned all over everything that this is uh a hundred. You know once in a hundred years. No, it's not once in a hundred years. It's happened three times in one week. So what is the solution.

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So, let's start by yes, the the community is old, but you have to understand that there are. There is an element. The climate change has something to do with it, we're experiencing a lot more and then and the system is not it's not a bad system. It's designed for what it's supposed to do and it's doing it the fact that we're having the experience we had in the last three events is that the duration was too short. So the the three inch coming in at an hour or two hours is not a problem.

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Now the plants are are cleaning plants. You know the down river and they're being hit like crazy, they're, actually, bypassing all the time I mean I get the reports there, they bypass friday and until saturday morning, they're bypassing constantly, because they can't treat that much in that short period of time. So when you get a wet weather event in a short duration, short duration, so you got three inches in 20 minutes or half an hour.

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There is nothing that you can do really.

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Well, but but there probably is because if you look at cities- and again I want to- I want to make it clear- I'm not blaming you or the administration or anything like that, but this has been obviously a continuous problem, especially most recently.

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There is a problem, and this will happen probably again, and if you look at a lot of other communities they didn't get hit. You know we got westland us dearborn um gross point and detroit. Okay, that's the only ones.

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That got here look at the watershed, you're on the low end of that watershed. So look at the entire picture, you're on the low end. So yes, if you were upstream- and you were the first to get hit, you will probably be fine, but as they accumulated you're 14 15 communities on one system right. So as the rain accumulates in your pipe you're getting you're it's getting down to us at 80 full. So there is really now on the individual side like.

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If I was to do mine, I would make sure one thing, uh my drainage system, my connection, my lateral connection to the city system is clear and 80, plus percent of the issues we've looked at was limited to the to the individual house. You were not clear between your. You know. You have a six-inch connection. Most of us do one very few of us have to, but that connection is the only link between the city system and you and your drainage. Your your foundation drains are connected to that link.

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So there, if they're doing their job and you keep that link clear you'll, probably be all right.

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Can we can we do then can maybe you you or whoever's you know our dpw director, maybe both of you guys, I'm not sure, maybe do a a cable thing on it put it on website, whatever what every resident should do, because this is not going to go away.

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It's going to keep coming back again and again and again, whatever things that you guys recommend to the residents uh myself included to to do and maybe recommend three four five, whatever different companies that can possibly do this or the types of companies to google to do this because something's got to be. This is going to happen again again. It's just so sad. So.

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Let me add a little bit to like what ollie was saying: flooding on a street during a heavy rain event is actually a good thing, because that means all that water isn't going into the storm system at once. The the catch basin covers are the lids. They have various hole sizes in them and they're, basically designed to let in so many cubic feet of water into the system at a time in many locations in communities where they have these combined systems.

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They'll put what we call restricted covers on the top, where they have fewer openings and they're actually designed so that we hold all the water on the streets so that we're not putting it all into the system at once, back flowing up into people's basements, and things like that. So I mean actually you.

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Know so I don't know, I.

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Don't know our system all that well, but I've talked to our guys. We do have areas where we do have the restricted covers on them. um You know in there are better covers that we can put on, but I don't think those are things that we should be using because they're just going to let a larger volume of water into the system quicker.

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You know, because.

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I unders I understand what those are on my street. I do have them okay in the past, before we had them, sewage would back up in our basements. So, like you say, I'd rather watch the water out in the street just make sure your car's not out there and watch it go down slowly. Instead of up in my drain. Also too I've been doing some research lately and I haven't really researched it enough to speak on it, but um we might want to check into smart sewers.

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They seem to be the thing out there now that are helping people with their flooding problems in several cities. So we might want to research that and see if it's something that could work for us.

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You're not talking about backflow preventers. Are you no, not smart,.

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It's called a smart sewer. They were um just written up recently. If you, google them. I can get you a link if you want no problem thanks, councilman constance. Thank you. We.

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Heard a lot city engineer, deeb and director uh conrad about pumps, failing a lot of pumps failing and you know, with wayne county did that affect our uh not this last event, but the the big one we had.

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I heard the same rumors and I saw that on facebook I I we have no evidence of that. I don't have any evidence, we've asked so so we we we get notified from the plants on the receiving end the treatment plants both from the county and downriver, because we're in both of them right. So um the system is working like it's supposed to it's just overwhelmed.

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uh We didn't have any failures. I.

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Read that freeway flooding was from that was in gross point yeah.

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I think the only ones that had packaged backups into homes was the conner street station which affected detroit in the gross point. Communities.

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Any of the freeway flooding was possibly a result of of a lift station lift stations. um You know which, because the freeways are depressed all the water has to go into these lift stations. There's like 235 of them around the detroit area. They lift the water back up to the surface and then and then pump it out or into a into a drain.

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If the power goes out to those, then they can only be run by generators or they have to have the power restored. And, yes, the freeways will flood um there's lift stations on telegraph. uh You know so I mean when doing telegraph of 94 floods. There's one there. um There yeah.

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Two and dearborns failed. I remember two and dearborn head, but it was a power interruption, not a pump failure lost power, the pump stopped so um the flooded, and that was under under chair.

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Okay, councilman wentzel and then we're going to move.

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On, let's not be mistaken, our our system, our storm system, has no pumps at all. It's all gravity, so there's no pumps involved, so any pump failure and the pumps he's talking about are when the water drains downhill.

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They pump it up to a higher level. So it can drain down here again and continue.

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We do have a lifting station here in dearborn.

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Not for storms not for storm lift stations.

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Lift stations not not.

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Not pumps lift stations, we don't have a pump system. No saturday night, I was driving home, it started raining when it was coming down just started raining for about five minutes. I went by the creek all right. It's only up like three feet. I went to my house. My entire intersection was flooded and normally my intersection and my drains when I look at them they're the same level as the creek right. So there's there was an issue with some kind of blockage, and I know once you clean them storm drains.

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You can't just push that sludge forward. You got to get to a point where you get rid of the sludge, pull it out. You can't just keep pushing and pushing it, and I think that's our problem is. We might have a lot of sludging. Now we don't know we haven't been in every every storm drain. It might be, they might be half full of sludge, so councilman.

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The idea is to go from two catch basins: two structures we're not just pushing it down down the line. We just go from what to you know. So, that's we have to come back for for authorization to bid something like this, but we have to write the specs first, but the idea is to go between two structures. You know not to just push it down the line right, councilman.

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Well, if everybody's done, I've got questions about other items: okay go ahead, and here.

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Well, that's why I was trying to get us to go on to questions yes, thank you.

H

And uh I will I will have my piece at the end of the council meeting about this certain subject uh then, uh because I want to get through the the work at hand. um I'm gonna go back to sewer charges again: six, six, okay, um we're being charged uh uh sewer charges from dearborn for 2 69 for water and 25 065 79 for sewer.

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Now how the heck am I going to pay that when it doesn't work, the sewer part didn't work?

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I mean it's failed us a few times here in the last month, so I personally don't believe we should be paying that to anyone. Okay, and I don't think I'm going to get a correct answer from anybody. So I'm going to move on to six nine down river waste water authority, excess flow, 39 411.

H

How do they know what excess flow that we have when it's in our basements and everybody's basements? uh You know and and a lot of that is not the north end. That's the south end! Okay, we've been paying that for for years, and I don't know how they measure excess flow. Is there a meter somewhere that is calculating the amount of flow that we're giving them and and can you tell me if that's the flow from dearborn heights, or is it also the flow that's coming in from other cities, because we're the last last.

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Of the last cities before it gets to the down river treatment plant.

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Access flow is not difficult to calculate. It's actually very easy.

H

Okay and how do they calculate.

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um So you have 14 communities on the dual system, so what they do is we. We report water sales to the the operators and each community, so they add them all up right. So that's the water sale, which means that's where the the water that ends up in the source and the combined total is then compared to the main meter coming into the plant. So if you have a thousand and the meter reads two thousand, then you have a thousand difference. That's excess flow.

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That thousand gets this distributed to the communities participating the 14 communities based on their percentage of the system. That's how it works. Percentage.

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Of water that was purchased.

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From each city- yes, sir, yes so.

H

Again, we don't all of our water does not go down. Yes, it goes down the storm drains so now we're paying for something we shouldn't be paying for. Yes,.

M

So so the current discussion, uh uh councilman is that uh we shouldn't be paying summer rates on uh water that we use for irrigations. But that's his other issue.

H

Okay, uh then I got uh uh something here on 6 12.. um Let me get to it here on my uh my ipad. If you don't mind, please bear with me enzo's cleaning, yes, and that is for uh highway. 8999 natural gas, slash hot water belt, drive 3000 psi. What did we buy?

H

What? What is that? I I usually I can make these phone calls, but I haven't been able to I've been very busy with family members. Lately.

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Ask councilman that that was uh the new pressure washer for cleaning the equipment in uh in the garage at the dpw.

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Eight thousand dollar pressure was the nine thousand dollar pressure. Washer, yes, wow whoa, okay and.

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Then I'm gonna go it's also. It was steam, cleaner pressure. Washer I mean.

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Kerosene or something.

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No, it's natural gas, natural gas.

H

Yeah, okay, I'm gonna go to 623 and that's pipe tech, okay, and we had a lot of bills there that were emergency uh cleaning for grease and greece traps, and I was wondering, are we looking into them to find out where this greece is coming from in the area of where they state at ford road, inkster, amboy and some places in the south end? How are we identifying where this greece is coming from that they're finding? Is there anybody can answer that question.

M

I'm sorry councilman. The question is: if we track where the grease is coming from. Yes, okay, so the line the line that you're referring to is the line. The ten ensure that's problematic. Behind the new development on ford road dearborn fresh and such that particular line has been an issue, and we know the participants now, um I'm not sure if we actually bill the users for the cost of cleanup, I will have to look into that.

H

I mean we've got investigation, cleaning, amboy, richardson, lehigh, richardson, west hills and culver, and- and those are problematic to me, because when I first started as a council member, I know they weren't cleaning the jobs right. Okay and much talk on facebook that nobody's ever seen anybody clean sewers. Well, I can guarantee you.

H

These sewers are being clean, okay, I've witnessed them and anybody can go and watch them work as they're cleaning these sewers, and they I think this company's inherited a mess where they got to go in there and suck all the stuff down instead of pushing it they're camering them before and after, but if we're catching people or companies putting grease down these yep. This is affecting everyone, yes and that's why we flood, because the water can't go anywhere fast enough or even fill up so.

M

Councilman, in addition to uh holding people responsible, we're looking at our standards now we're requiring larger uh uh trap sizes. As for businesses that in an area in the problematic area, so that used to be a 750 uh gallon. We're going up to 1200 that next size up now so to allow for more capacity to prevent discharge into this awards. So I don't have to continuously send people a company to clean up.

H

And I- and I appreciate that, but you know we wrote an ordinance that I didn't. I thought we didn't really need, because a lot of this stuff is covered under epa rules. I believe yes, people, dumping stuff in the sewer. They shouldn't be dumping. I agree and as far as I'm concerned, they need to be fined and everybody that's flooded because of it they should be held responsible.

H

That's how I feel okay and it's happened throughout the whole city on the south end for years at the north end now so uh again, and I'll be speaking more about that later on this evening, when it's my turn to speak, and then I have another one on 6-30 wayne county cso basin, 35 236 dollars.

H

Again I put on my notes. It doesn't work why the hell? Should we pay? Okay, it's it's not worth. Nothing is working as far as I'm concerned the way it should be now someone needs to prove me wrong, but that's how I feel about it and that's all I have for the items on. uh Thank you 6-1-31. I believe hey.

A

Any other discussion before we vote on this.

L

Clarification for what they just said, director ali. Can you explain to the public? What's what is cso, why it is mandated by the government so why we have to do it and spend money.

M

So um the councilman referred to the combined sewer overflow pumping stations that wayne county operates so that wayne county is trying to get out of that business. So they're doing it for us, because we own that uh station, so they're they're operating the combined source overflow. Basically, uh you can't have sanitary go into a storm uh um system, so uh they they operate the plant until we either take ownership and operate it or find an entity to to operate it for us other than the county. um Are the charges excessive?

M

um I know the councilman seems to think um you know there are issues with it with a system it needs update. It needs uh um capital investment. um Can we find an operator other than the county for less money?

M

We've never tried it. It is it's possible. Does it have.

L

Any effect on the flood.

A

And I'm sorry corporate council miyake, you need to speak up because we're being blocked by people it's hard to see.

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Oh okay, no I just I just raised my hand. You could.

A

You know ask and say something so I can know you're there sure.

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This is the matter that actually has come before the council, especially in closed sessions. Before with uh patrick mccully, we have attempted to end up actually having another operator wade. Trim was supposed to be selected for this purpose. The county has objected to us doing so in the past, stating that we cannot do so under the contract, yet that we have with the county, and that issue was discussed and probably should be discussed in a closed session more especially with newer council members who aren't necessarily familiar with it. Thank.

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You thank you all right, let's move on. Is there any further questions before we vote? Thank you. Okay. We are voting on fund transfers and current claims. That's number six, all those in favor say aye aye. Those opposed councilman muscat is opposed. It passes. Next is consideration of bids. We have community and economic development director hashem request for bids for year, 2019 cdbg cv, backslash, cv3 senior staff, cdbg, ppe.

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Councilman constantin.

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I move that the dearborn heights city council authorized the community and economic development department to prepare specifications and request bids for the fiscal year, 2019 cdbg cv, senior staff, cdbg activity and the fiscal year 2019 cdbg cv3 senior ppe activity.

F

The funds have been budgeted and approved in the fiscal year, 2019 cdbg cv, senior staff, cdbg activity and the fiscal year 2019 cdbg cv3 senior ppe activity is outlined in 7a support, support.

A

By councilman muscat, is there any discussion.

L

Yes, madam champion councilman, I just would like to know from director hashim. Do you have list of the people who are eligible for this uh fund.

R

uh Councilman, the list basically is going to be this particular these particular items will be bought for vrs departments. One of them is the ordinance the building department and mostly is for the senior centers um myself and director kim will eventually work out the system of distribution.

R

There will be distribution centers at various departments for seniors senior citizens. Anybody over the age of 55, I believe, is eligible.

L

So they will be available for the seniors at all the senior centers and in.

R

The various yes various other uh locations. Thank you. You're welcome,.

A

Thank you. Is there any further questions, all those in favor say aye, those opposed the eyes. Have it next reports from mayor, we have purchase of properties from the wayne county tax, foreclosure list, ma'am.

B

A

Councilman abdullah.

B

I move that the debt heights city council authorized the purchase and payment of zero fortson highway: zero south beach, daily 25924 mcdonald, zero stanford, zero, south telegraph, zero, south gully, 5354, south gully, three, nine one, six cornell, four, six: four: six pelham zero south field, zero culver, an amount of sixty, seven thousand four hundred and twelve dollars and sixty three cents from the wayne county foreclosure list to be paid from account number 101-200-949 period: zero, zero, zero, the purchase price includes all delinquent taxes, interest penalties and fees due on the property at wayne.

B

County is outlined in item aa or.

A

Report by councilman, bae dune is there any questions. Sure councilman bella.

B

Two things number one: I want to clarify for the residents for the addresses that you've seen zero on those are just vacant lots and uh for the other ones, are obviously foreclosure properties that we are taking uh for tax foreclosure. Taking back, um I had a little concern and I don't know if this is going to be directed to the mayor's office or to our council gary miyaki.

B

And of course I want to get the opinion of our council members, but being that there's so many vacant lots that we're going to take back and purchase them by the way for all these property as a realtor for 67 000, not a bad deal, but with the vacant lots can we put and I'm sure we can.

B

But I just want to make sure from you uh uh counselor can we put stipulation that a home has to be built on it and within so many months and the reason being is I don't want to sell this to hypothetically councilman zohar, who buys the lot and just leaves it vacant and then therefore, in that particular case, he buys it for three, four five, ten thousand whatever it happens. To be we're, making nothing in taxes, obviously, and no homes be built on it and then potential for whoever owns it to let it go.

B

Keep the grass high et cetera, et cetera, versus a new house going up, and we have depends on the size of the home potential from 10 to maybe 30 000 and possibly more in taxes that will be coming into the city. So can we put a stipulation that whoever buys it has to build on it within a reasonable and we'd have to stipulate what time a reasonable amount of time? Be it six or start building on it? Be it six months or maybe one year.

Q

If, if I may two things, uh first of all, the properties that are being purchased that have a home on them right now are going to be part of the cap program right. So it's going to be 2019 and 2021 properties, the vacant properties and other properties.

Q

The next step in the process that I've discussed with the mayor and with emergency manager gavin, is for us to end up doing the same kind of program, but for all of these other properties, the mayor wants us not to be in the business of basically having to manage all these different properties.

Q

So we would be going through a process like the cap program, but we could end up having certain stipulations that buildable lots would also end up being improved within a certain amount of time. Just like we have stipulations in the for the cap program. It's just we're we're not there yet in terms of we wanted to get the cap program moving along and then we're going to go, come back with something for uh other proposals or for other sales of city-owned property. For example, there are a number of people out there.

Q

Who've wanted to end up getting these properties. What I've basically told them and told the emergency manager and the mayor is: we want to end up having a process in place, so it doesn't look like there's any favoritism correct, because someone ends up buying something. So that's the next step in the process and we'll take your input there, councilman, certainly into account in terms of how we would uh structure the program before we come back to you. Thank you. Thank.

A

You any more questions before we go ahead.

P

Go ahead, um councilman wenzel with uh councilman uh abdellah. You gotta be careful on this, because, if it's sold to a adjacent homeowner, who wants to use that property for a bigger yard, you know you they'd have a stipulation to build on it. You'd have to have something written in on that. As far as that goes.

B

And- and it's always an option, if I'm a customer sure go ahead, it's also always an option, of course for a resident, so it all depends and- and we have to make- we have to decide in a direction that we want to go as a city. We want to go in the direction of uh bringing in more tax base. Therefore, we could provide better services to our residents or just for a neighborly thing.

B

I mean that's a decision we'd have to make, but when we give that vacant lot to like, let's say next door to me, you're giving me a vacant lot for three four five thousand dollars and my taxes on it are going to be a few hundred dollars. So, therefore, money brought into the city is going to be less versus selling it to a gentleman or gentleman that are going to build a home on it and bring in a tax base of 50 any new construction. Nowadays, minimum is going to be 12.

B

14 000, most of them in taxes on up depends on the size of the home. So to me, if we have 10 15 lots whatever it happens, to be I'd rather personally, I'd rather bring in a tax base into our city to provide better services. Because, if you look at our city, we got we had a 53 million budget versus a lot of the cities around us that have almost tripled that so, whatever we can bring in with taxes, we can provide better services.

A

You know, and also too, if we sell it to an adjacent homeowner, they may be purchasing it to add on to their home too.

B

Something or sell it we could give it to an adjacent homeowner. You give it to me, I buy it for three thousand dollars. I turn on and sell it for fifteen or twenty right. You know well.

A

You'd have to make it where they have to join it with their property right.

Q

This one continued: these were actually some issues that we had discussed either having like, if it's an unbuildable lot and someone just wants to end up using it, then it would probably.

J

K

Q

But we'd have stipulations with respect to the deed that we would end up giving with respect to that. Likewise, with what you're referring to, we would have stipulations that people can't just flip the properties that they end up getting from us, because that's not the point. We want to end up having to the degree we can single family dwellings owner occupied and that's what we'd be aiming for. Just like with the cap program.

A

Councilman bella thank.

L

You director, hashem or the mayor, do we have any information on any records? How many properties like that we sold in the past just vacant, lots and never been built on him or anything, and we just tax him at three or four thousand dollars value mayor.

A

Did you want to answer that? Do.

L

We keep records, do we follow up on on these properties or the minute we sell them? It's gone.

J

Well, since since I've been in office, we're actually that's some of the stuff that, as mr miyaki mentioned, you know we're going through all the property the city owns and none of the property that land is actually been sold.

J

For, I don't know for how long the only homes that were sold are the ones under the cap program that mr miyaki mentioned. However, we do have a list of all the property the city owns, and that's something mr miyaki and I have been discussing and also mr gavin to see what we need to do with the property is.

J

My concern. Also, when I was on council, is that we maintain this property, we're just wasting a lot of money and some residents, somebody that was that usually comes to this meeting, voicing concerns about adjacent property that they had issues with, especially at home, a vacant home. So this is some of the stuff that I've been looking at.

J

I've been assessing uh with both mr miyaki and mr gavin, so we'll be looking at that as well, because we do have a lot of property uh vacant lands that the city owns and but the thing is you got to be careful with some of the property that we we purchase under fema grant. You can't do anything with that property.

J

So that's something another thing that we were looking at, mr diva and I is we can use that property as something uh along the igor's creek for like a catch basin or something but that's another, something else that we're doing a study on. So we have a lot of things in work right now, we're assessing all the properties that we have and see what we're going to do with that property, so we're not just having to just sit there and we can use it for, for the rest, good use for the residents.

L

I believe you know for the benefit of the residents. We should give a priority to the owners of the adjacent.

L

You know, houses to buy these properties and you can assess them at the actual value which the wayne county assessed, not the 3, 000 or 4 000, because we all know that those properties worth lot more, but the law doesn't allow us to sell them more than what we acquire them for.

L

So I would really uh encourage the administration to give priority to the adjacent properties.

J

Well, we actually, we were working on it. We were full speed ahead with that, but with the flooding you know where, as you know, we're we're putting all 150 percent of our time into uh the flood and everything else that you know that is thrown at us because of the issues that we have there flooding, but we we were looking at that, that's something that we had on the agenda to go through by the way. Thank.

F

A

You any further questions before we vote all those in favor say: aye aye, those opposed the eyes have it. Next we have adoption of an unrestricted minimum balance. Council.

H

Councilman muscat. I moved that the dearborn heights city council approved the adaption adoption of an unrestricted minimum balance equal to to the greater of either the average cost of two-month expenses of the city general operating expenditures or to 16 percent of the total. At the end of the city fiscal year, the fund balance will be reported in a city fiscal year.

H

Single independent audit report, in compliance with the government accounting standard board further more authorized the mayor to implement the necessary actions to achieve the two-month or 16 percent level effective upon approval of this motion, as outlined in 8-b support, support.

A

By councilman abdul hawk, is there any discussion ram.

B

A

Councilman abdellah.

B

So I had a question for the mayor on this one um number one: is this something new number two: why do we need this and number three, the amount so we'd be taking a budget of 53 million approximately and we'd be taking uh two months of that 60 days of that that would that would become available.

B

Fill me in on this. As far as the reasoning behind this is this something new. Is this something that's been done in the past? What's the reasoning behind this? Please go ahead. Mary.

J

Well, actually well I'll start, but I know mr jamal wants to chime in on that one as well. This is something that we've been assessing. You know from some of the uh the audit report and also something that came from the state so which again we're trying to be in compliance as him being a compliance director.

J

I'll have him answer that question.

S

Councilman dave aprotin good evening, everybody- this is uh 14 years from last time, instead of on this podium.

S

The question protem is why we are doing this because we are responding to a findings by plant molar reparative for years, and it reached out all the way to the state treasury department in 2000.

S

It was december 10, 2000 uh 2001, when we received intercepted, I intercepted the letter from the state want us to correct and they give us certain amount of time and we've been working with them toward one of the issue, which is the fund balance to have a policy. So this is an attempt by the administration to.

S

Actually, seek your approval to establish that policy. The standard for fund balance is between 16 and 17 percent of the unrestricted operating fund, so you're referring to 54 million dollars, which is great in the general expression in reality and from the accounting point of view. It's not true.

S

The unrestricted fund of the city is about 30 million 27 million and the rest are restricted funds. We account for it in our gl system.

S

So when we say 16 to 17, I put 16 as minimum, so we can have this over 16 as much as we can non-restricted and when I say minimum two months of operating unrestricted funds, we need about 1.5 million every month for for operating fund and we needed also another, maybe one million for other operating funds.

S

So again, this is the best policy you can adopt in our situation. Right now, we will come back to you later on regarding the the situation with what we found in october, because in october we have the audit report by plant moran the single audit report required by the state of michigan treasury department.

S

Then we decide whether we can amend this or keep it the way it is, but at this time we need, as we promised, the state treasury department, we need to adopt a policy. Okay, second question: you have a second question, why? Why is now?

S

uh Because now it came after us in the past, plant moran came after us, but nobody responded. So if you ask me who dropped the ball, the city as a general, the city is three branches. Keep the branch of the jusical branch keep it alone. You have administrative and you have legislative.

S

You receive the report from the platform every every year october. It's about 120 pages. There is a page down there. It tells you exactly what the city is failing to do.

S

S

If you read it either you don't understand it or that you don't respond or the administration, they explain it, but those issues are reparative. Since 2011., director, jamel.

L

So, thank you for the explanation. I have a question.

S

Okay, I mean I need to finish with uh protein, uh because I really wanted you to support this because we need it so.

B

Based okay, so based on the amount of the 30 million being unrestricted that would come out to roughly around 4.8 million. Is that what you're asking to become unrestricted? Roughly.

S

About 3.2, 3.3 million dollars, that's the correct answer. We consulted with plant maryland and that's what really we are looking for, and this is a safety, what we call a safety gate for the council to rely on and the event that administration neglect.

S

Okay to report on the city status, financial status, meaning the chapter requires the legislator, which is the city council to oversee they performance of the financial situation of the city. So if you see from your periodic evaluation, if you see that you are not receiving enough revenue for the city, you need to take a legislative actions to prevent the city from going bankruptcy.

T

S

So I mean this is your responsibility as legislative money to prevent the city from going bankrupt.

S

So this particular step the state want to assure that we have that balance and we establish a policy that prevent the administration from depleting all the budget and going and using you know the u.s, the the balance as as the city ended up back in 2011., okay,.

B

So I want to understand: is this mandated or recommended mandated mandated? Yes, okay, thank you.

A

Okay, thank you any further questions before we vote on this, I.

L

Answered all the questions. Thank you. Okay,.

A

Thank you all those in favor say aye aye, those opposed the eyes have it. Next we have the e-course creek commission appointment.

B

A

Councilman abdullah.

B

I move that the dearborn heights city council concur with the mayoral appointment of uh townia uh sterlini to the recently established e-course creek commission term to expire january, 2nd 2023, as outlined in item 8c, and for clarification. I want to make sure I spell it for her. Just with due respect t a w y and a so taiwan may be pronouncing it wrong. I apologize.

A

B

A

By councilman abdul hawk, is there any questions? Madam.

B

A

Councilman abdellah so.

B

This question is for the mayor: it's on this one in it's on the second one, but it's a generic question, because I'd ask for this before. Sometimes it's difficult for us and I'd ask for this.

B

You know when we approve these and I realize of course the mayor is the one that appoints the different appointments for different commissions, and I I respect that. That's part of the charter, but I tell you for me as a councilman, and I presume others might need that too. I always prefer some sort of at least just an abbreviation just a sentence or two or three or maybe you could talk about the person as to why that particular person was selected because sometimes for us by just getting a name.

B

uh You know it could be james smith or julie brown. I wouldn't know like a photo and a breakup, no just some sort of biography like in other words like in this particular case, with the equals greek and I'm not going to name her specifically, because that would not be fair anybody you appoint. Just let's say it's dave abdallah.

B

Why are you picking dave abdallah? What what qualifications did he have.

J

He was the number one real estate agent. No, no, no, no.

B

J

So I can answer for this one. In particular, we've had several meetings on the e-course creek and we had a lot of discussions and she brings a lot of uh information to the table when we start meeting and going through and see what what's required. So I was really really impressed with the discussions that we had and the knowledge that she had on e-course creek.

B

Okay, I respect that so the reason I'm bringing this up- and I just wanna, make sure because I've seen it in the past, whether with other cities or ours or our city, where sometimes people were appointed just based on uh and a mayor of khan, of course, based on favoritism, for whatever reason they like the person, they don't like a person, possibly nepotism, they relate it to them friend whatever, and I just want to make sure um my suggestion, and I I'm not suggesting you did- that of course that we continue to go in direction where people like right now.

B

It makes me feel a little bit more comfortable that we're picking people based on their qualifications, not based on you know, possibly knowing and I'm using generically the term mayor knowing the mayor or whatever. I I don't want friends, family and relatives on any of these commissions or that's my opinion. I want people that are qualified to be so, if you're doing something for real estate. I would understand me if you're doing some mechanicals and heating I'd have no clue. All I know is he gives heat and that's it.

B

So I'd be a terrible person for that type of a commission that that's all so.

U

Well, remember that cool.

B

J

Well, I can tell you.

B

A

At this time, we probably want to vote on this. All those in favor say aye aye, those opposed the eyes have it. Next, we have zoning board of appeals, appointment council.

H

Councilman muscat. I move that to dearborn heights city council concur with mayoral appointment of johnny vindovitsky.

H

I hope I said that right to the zoning board of appeals term to expire may of 2023, this appointment is to replace anthony miffson, who recently resigned as outlined in eight support.

A

Support by councilman bae doon is there any discussion ma'am.

B

Chair councilman.

A

B

Again mayor, can you give us at least an abbreviation small biography as to why you feel this person will be the right person for the job.

J

Well, he has a lot of. uh He has a bit his family him and their own business in dearborn heights for the past. I don't know how, many years ever since I mean before I even came back yeah 30 years, what kind of three nights.

V

I

Steakhouse, oh okay,.

A

Okay: okay, any further questions before we vote on this, all those in favor say: aye aye, those opposed the eyes have it next item on the agenda is the warren valley, 100th anniversary committee, appointments, councilman, muscat,.

H

That's what will be easy that I approve that the dearborn high city council occur with the mayoral appointments of councilman tom wenzel library, director mccafferty parks and recreation director uh learn cell and mr eric uh bursgard director of operations at warren valley. Golf course to the newly created warn valley's 100th anniversary, committed committee, as outlined in eight support.

A

Supported by councilman baidu any questions before we vote councilman.

L

A

You have a question: okay, I'm going to ask that we just asked questions at this point.

L

The question is: is the city going to supply any funds for this celebration.

J

L

Going only on contributions.

J

Yeah, we haven't even discussed any funding, yet we just have a committee to put a plan together. So if there's any funding, if there's any funding, definitely we'll go in front of council as of right. Now, that's just a committee for the planning committee, that's it and full disclosure to council pro-tem. uh None of these people are related to me, but I do know councilman one song.

B

That's what I want to question councilman abdullah.

A

B

A

Councilman abdullah.

B

I'm glad no, no! No! You can't hear me. Do you have a question? This is in regards to councilman um uh tom wenzel. He had brought up in the past and I know some of us have brought up in the past and we don't need to necessarily address it right now, but I just like to bring a reminder to administration that we own the warren valley golf course, but we have no idea what due respect to the current operator is it doing well, is it doing terrible? Are we making five thousand?

B

Are we making five hundred thousand a year? Is it in bankruptcy whatever it is? We had talked about and councilman tom winslet brought it up that we should be receiving a monthly report, ideally or at least quarterly. As far as how it's doing, I'm not gonna ask for that right now, but just as a reminder, I really think this is very, very important, such a big facility that we hold with due respect. We hold the operator responsible to make sure that it's operating at the level that we are comfortable with. Thank you.

A

Comes from baidu.

I

Thank you so much madam chair, and to this honorable committee. Congratulations, hopefully we'll approve this. I think it'll be easy about. My councilman must get said. I just want to tell you guys uh this weekend. I was actually at the dearborn country club. I sat there. One of my buddies bro took me in there was a pool people were eating. They were hanging out there and I pondered to myself. I said why don't we have anything like this in dearborn heights? Why don't?

I

We have a pool at the warden valley golf course right outside on the side of uh I know where we have the banquet center. Why aren't we selling food? Why are we offering administration for people to come in? There swim hang out. I think it's a great idea. I think this committee can put this together even if it needs. If we can't get funding through the city. I myself, I'm sure the number one raw salesman and real estate can help out as well in getting some funding as well as the mayor.

I

We can raise money, and maybe we can allow this for the community for our grandchildren and our children's children and so on. I just it's just a great idea, so yeah committee, okay. I really think you guys should really consider that.

A

Thank you. Is there any further questions, councilman constance.

F

uh Yeah, just to add to that we had talked about you know the banquet facility.

F

I can't remember the last time I went to a function there, a function outside of the city and used to be you could call, and you could you know, rent they were offering for rent, and I know the operator operates warren valley and the inkster facility, which is still owned by the county, but there are a lot of developers that would want to move in and operate the uh the building as a banquet center.

A

Okay, thank you. Councilman wenzel,.

P

um Just a little brief history, four or five years ago, when we originally bought the uh the golf course- and I noticed the the date it was constructed, was 1922 and I said wow that's pretty soon and it was designed by a world famous golf course. Designer donald ross he's designed golf courses all over the world, and I talked with the uh the manager eric and he said that you know this be a good idea.

P

Maybe we can come up with something some we have talked about it on and off for the last three or four years. He's got plenty of ideas and uh kim lauren cell she's parks and recreation director, and the golf course falls under the parks and recreation department. So it's that's a no-brainer to get her involved in this and future uh amenities, like you know, possibly a pool or something and the the manager eric he's a great guy. He knows all about the golf course with all kinds of ideas and um director uh library, director mccaffrey.

P

This guy is a historian. He can. He digs up stuff, and I've talked to him in the past six or nine months about this, and I'm sure he's always he's digging on it already. So he's the perfect person to have he's trying some different things and we haven't even had a meeting yet and actually the ball has been rolling for a while, but it's going to be something really exciting and it's going to be a summer long process and it'll be very interesting. We'll have a good time there next year at the golf course.

A

P

A

Any further questions before we continue.

A

Do you have a question if you're going to do that? No council procedure is questions and we're getting away from the street club.

I

Just think about it.

A

I could I will we'll we'll check into it I'll check into that with you we'll come back, all those in favor say: aye aye, those opposed the eyes have it. Next, we have treasure hicks, clayton edition of check capture bank services to comerica and chase bank accounts. Council chair councilman.

H

Muscat, uh I believe this should be note and file that uh city council take note and file of this councilman.

A

I discussed it with um treasurer hicks clayton. She prefers. We take a vote on it, she's up at the podium to verify that okay.

H

Then she doesn't have to verify it. We'll just make the motion. I moved at the dearborn heights city council received note and file uh support.

W

Asking councilman you said, receive.

A

No for your approval.

W

Because I'd like to the council's approval to move forward with this, there is not an expense incurred because of we have worked and optimized our performance of our service.

H

Fees and we actually I'll make that go ahead, we'll cut it out. I moved the dearborn heights city council approved the information regarding the addition of the check capture bank services to the city of dearborn heights. American chase checking accounts. The check capture will auto deposit at the point of entry or receipt of the check and capture check images for future reference, as outlined in 9a support.

A

Supported by councilman baedun, is there any questions before we vote all those in favor, say: aye aye, aye aye, those opposed the eyes have it. Thank you. Councilman.

W

And you're welcome woman chair.

A

Next, we have corporation council miaki authorization to issue an rfp for possible selection of contractor for waste collection and recycling. Mr.

H

A

Councilman musgap.

H

I moved that at dearborn heights city council authorized the administration to prepare for proposals for the possible selection of a contractor for residential, solid waste, auto site collection and disposal, yard waste, curbside collection and disposal and auto side recycling prior to in issuance of the rfp. The administrator shall obtain approval of the rfp from the city council from the city, council and authorization from city council to issue the rfp further. By adopting this motion, the city is not terminating its contract.

H

The current contract with gfl environmental usa be not committing to the city to terminating its current contract, with gfl environmental, usa and c not committing the city to selecting another contractor in place of gfl environment usa, as outlined in 9b support, supported.

A

By councilman bay dune, I do have a question on this. What are we trying to achieve by going out for rfp four years early? That would not probably be valid in four years when gfl's contract is over with corporate council. Could you answer that.

Q

Sure the the contract can be terminated upon convenience and 90 days notice, I believe so. In other words, we would be able to test the waters, see if it makes sense and then obviously gfl would be able to also participate if they were so inclined, and if we found that we could end up arranging better services, we could end up coming back and making that decision. That can be hard.

A

H

Muscat personally, I've had great relationship with gfl sam I've called sam on many many issues he's been courteous, supportive and gets things done for me immediately, but overall structure. We have a lot of issues in this city, unfortunately, and I see gfl as a company and not maybe locally, but otherwise are pursuing other communities uh just adopting, I believe, allen park.

H

While we are not being picked up on uh on a timely basis, the company is pursuing other other entities, other communities and I think, that's a disservice to our community that we're not looking into making it better for our citizens.

H

Other than that. That's that's! Basically what it is in a nutshell to me now again. Let me say this again: I got a great relationship with sam sam has been nothing but a great great help, and without him I don't know where I'd be, to be honest with you, but again this comes down not just for me. It's to the soul city. We got a whole city to think about, and you and everybody on this board has has fielded phone calls on a daily basis about problems with trash not being picked up properly.

H

What more else can I say than that? It's the citizens that we work for that are telling us this.

A

Thank you, councilman abdullah,.

B

So when I first seen this, I I thought about two things: okay, so number one is my earlier days on the council. I remember when we had uh waste management and you know when you're servicing 23 000 homes there's always going to be some sort of complaints or another. So I remember hearing the complaints at that particular time about waste management, and I'm sure probably happened before that the company before that and the company before that.

B

So I respect the fact that there's a lot of homes take care of, but at the same time, to be totally blunt when we started with gfl, I was very, very happy with them. I was extremely happy with them. I I felt overall they were doing a good job. Their customer service was excellent there. Unfortunately, he passed away because of covid, unfortunately, and and and fresh my memory on the gentleman tony tony anthony excellent customer service, I mean I would call him anytime.

B

A resident would complain about something I would call him up and within a few hours, I'd get a call from the resident. Thank you very much. The gentleman took care of that. As I mentioned, you know, in a past meeting, we had issues with another gentleman, but you mentioned that he is at least no longer in our city, which is great.

B

Unfortunately, though, in the last I would say 60 days, there's no doubt about it. There's some sort of a problem happening at gfl, probably a nationwide issue in terms of obviously uh employment, and what have you? Needless to say, a lot of different companies, not just garbage collecting companies have had that issue, but at the same time there's still an issue. There there's definitely an issue in terms of customer service. I've seen it in many many subdivisions.

B

I've even heard most recently that when I was going to say publicly that when there was an issue with the flooding, according I mean it could be hearsay. You tell me if it's true or not, but dearborn was given, and this is with due respect to dearborn, but they have 92 000 residents. They were given 15 trucks to help pick up the extra trash, whereas we were given- and don't quote me on this- I I heard two three, maybe four trucks to pick up.

B

The extra trash- I don't remember the exact amount I might allow you of course, to comment. Yeah go ahead.

A

B

Chair will allow you to come up to the podium. The question to you is: why has been?

B

Why has there been such a that might be blunt major drop in the customer service, not in terms of yourself or the people that we are calling in terms of trying to correct the problem, but it's very similar as we use in any other industry when, when I know your name or when I know let's say anthony's name or anybody else's name, I shouldn't have to know their name, because if I don't know their name, that means I'm not getting the complaints and therefore I don't have to call to say: hey.

B

You forgot this situation or that situation. The fact that we start to get to know your name on a first name basis and we save in our favorites and our phone. That's not a good thing, because that means we're contacting you too many times to make corrective action on things that are standard. When I first seen this, I thought you know. I don't know if this is a good idea, but, honestly, the more and more I thought about it.

B

If we achieve nothing else tonight, we're putting you publicly on notice that hey corrective action has to be taken, it has to be taken quickly and we and I'm being selfish here our city has to be a priority, not necessarily over other cities, but equally at the very minimal to other cities. Thank you.

A

Sir, no sorry he's got to retreat he's gone. I'm sorry.

X

I'm glad that you know my name and I'm glad I've been helping certain situations and you've done well when I've called you clear. Clearly, it's this problem relates around a labor problem. That's not only in the rubbish industry, but in many many industries in the in the in the us right now we have taken steps.

X

We've taken measures to attract, uh retain uh improve our employee base through bonuses of retention bonuses, attendance bonuses, referral bonuses and hiring bonuses, an attempt to get the staff- it's still not yielding quite the results, we'd hoped for, but we're not giving up either.

X

I want to touch on the flood that you mentioned. We did put out trucks in many many communities following that late june flood date. uh There were more than a couple of trucks. In dearborn heights, we put, we had 350 hours of collection, 371 tons of material collected just on a couple days alone, just a handful of days, so we did have trucks here. Yet we're also trying to keep up with our labor shortage and keep your trash, your yard waste and your recycling collected.

X

What it has done is it's pushed us to a six day a week schedule, basically to keep up what we don't finish. We come back to the next day and so on and so forth. A lot of the calls you'll get will be.

X

I didn't get my trash collected and uh that's true because we are have delayed service right now because of the staffing situation, so we come back the next day and collect those those people where we left off the day before, um so those are kind of the uh kind of the things that we're dealing with right now uh I know we talked about cart delivery in the past as well. You currently have 24 carts out there orders to be delivered or exchanged. So I wanted to give you that information.

X

But it's been a challenge. It continues to be a challenge and, unlike, unlike anything, it's it's not specific to gfl. Waste management is having problems.

X

Republic, services having problems the local haulers, are having problems and, as the mayor said earlier, when he talked about the flood, he called many many communities, many many contractors and found one that could help and um that that's that's the nature of the of the uh of the business right now.

B

How much did you charge us for the extra pickup during those days.

X

If you know what off-topic right we charge, I do know it's, we charge you 225 per hour. Your disposal is paid directly to uh would the metals landfill because of your disposal agreement, but it's 225 per hour. So.

B

How much was the total charge approximately during that time period.

E

X

I can't do the math right now: 50 60 000.

B

Okay, so the the the challenge I've got in this particular case is. This was something that happened as we know in roughly about four or five cities, yes of those four or five cities. I know you handled dearborn. I know you handled dearborn heights was there any other of those cities had major flooding in them, specifically westland gross point dearborn devon heights.

B

Our cities yeah that you handled.

X

Gross points we handled they had, they had and.

B

You handled dearborn, devastating.

X

Floods and growths, but we're still working on that dearborn had devastating floods. You had devastating floods. I will tell you that that detroit had devastation, but you weren't handling.

B

Detroit though yeah.

X

What would you handle yes,.

B

So the reason I'm asking is: why were we again? I don't know, as fact, but what I was told that there was like 15 some trucks extra that were given to dearborn and we had quite substantially less. Do you know roughly how many extra trucks you brought in during that time period to dearborn heights? Roughly for gearboard heights we had uh as compared to dearborn specifically.

X

I want to say there were 25 to 30 trucks on the first saturday that we came in okay, at least.

B

So we look at something where we paid you about 50 dollars, which is going to be proportional to amount of job that you did. But yet we paid- and I know it was an emergency situation to another company two hundred and eighty thousand dollars had your company had the k, and I know it's an emergency situation. I get that, but had your company had the capability to be able to address our issue we wouldn't have had to have paid. You know 280 000 over a quarter million dollars.

B

Obviously, with that being the case, is your company willing to consider paying us back that amount of money, or at least a portion of it? I.

X

Think there needs to be some more research on what was collected for that 280 000, where were the tons dumped and how much how much times were picked up, because I know how many tons we've picked up. So I don't know, that's not for me to say it's. You asked the question earlier. I think it was a good question. How do you justify what is 14 streets 14 blocks? What does that mean? How many tons were collected, because I don't know if you used a garbage truck company high compactor.

B

The mayor could probably better answer that.

X

I'm not questioning anybody here, but if you used high compaction vehicles, I would say: that's probably reasonable, if you're putting it in dump trucks and pickup trucks and you all trucks, it's a different story. It's different animal altogether. The tons will tell you the story. Okay,.

B

So, let's move forward now another 90 days from today, because we know this unemployment is going to be roughly over give or take some time in september and from I've heard from a lot of people, a lot of people still have some extra money left over. So some people may not you know. Possibly there may not be jobs available.

B

I don't know I'm not an employment expert, but with that being the case, let's move forward 90 days for from today and let's presume we still have gfl what solutions do you have in place, provided we are right now in october. What solutions do you think you have in place because, as a major corporation, I'm sure you you're pr you're looking forward to the future as far as what your plans are? So what are your plans for 90 days from not for hours how?

B

This problem that we are experiencing right now will be either eliminated or much drastically minimized.

X

Since we put in these hiring bonuses and and retention bonuses and so forth, we have seen some growth and some some some traction there. For instance, uh yesterday we we just about finished off everything in dearborn nights. Yesterday we had about 10 or 12 percent of the yard. Waste didn't get collected that we came back to this morning today when I walked in here six quarter. Seven, this not tonight we're on track to finish in dearborn heights tonight and then be on good good track going forward on wednesday and so on and so forth.

X

So the the the the the ability to attract people now is starting to get some traction and we're able to put more trucks on the road we've been able to do all spring. So as the as this as the yard, waste season grew our staffing for that was growing, and then we ran into that into that situation. Where the where the money, the federal money out there was in interrupting us, so we're starting to get some traction again. I think we're going to be all right.

X

I think you'll be all right by uh uh early early august, first or second week of august. We should be in much much bless. You wish you much much better shape going forward. Thank you. Thank.

H

You council, chair one other item here. Please.

A

Got councilman they do okay,.

D

I'm sorry councilman. I asked first of all.

A

I'm sorry councilman, it was so long. Councilman bill hawk, go ahead. Please thank you.

L

Nothing against mr bardum mayor, you paid 280 000 dollars to pick up garbage and I understand it's. You know emergency.

L

Are we going to deduct this from the sum of his contract, or this is extra from our budget going to go out.

J

Well, there's several things that were mentioned: okay, so we did have an. As you know, the council. I brought it in front of you to sign. There was an addendum to the contract for gfl to pick up flood waste or flood debris. Obviously, again you know most of the councils were not there. I know you guys have received phone calls, but my office was like an operator.

J

You know everybody was working on just complaints just with garbage pickup, not just the debris we had there's some days. We had three I mean even today, I've gotten several calls and several emails from residents.

J

They have two sometimes three weeks worth of yard waste just sitting there wet you know disgusting and sometimes that even their garbage was not picked up two weeks and again, the reason why I put that on agenda today is because I mean I I can tell you between myself, my chief of staff, my emergency manager and stephanie.

J

We have probably hundreds of calls every day just dealing with just garbage. You know not including everything else from the city, and that's I'm not even talking about dpw. Even dpw was getting calls and they finally start routing their calls to the city hall I mean to my office, so that's one one thing I wanted to clarify: that's one of the reasons you know the residents they spoke and I'm gonna listen, and you know they keep asking me what the hell is going on.

J

You know why wha, why can't we do anything about this and that's the right reason why we're doing we're going to do a test on this rfp to send it out we've. I know when I was on council, we sat here and sam. You know again thank you for everything that you do and you had several people here several couple years ago right before covet and we had the same issue. We were talking about the same thing, but nothing got done and it seems like. I don't know what happened just the last.

J

You know three four months, you know even before the flood we were still, we still had a high number of complaints. You know from residents about their garbage not being picked up. You know. I know there were some issues that were corrected. There are some. You know somebody was on the street. You know one of one of your staff using vulgar language with some of our residents. I don't know that person is still employed with gfl.

J

You know, there's some residents calling they're saying that some drivers are taunting residents, they're chasing. They think it's funny and again you know the residents spoke and I'm gonna listen. You know and, as I said before, you know I you know I did this here when I was overseas. You know for people not outside the united states and I'll tell you what I'm here to represent the city of dearborn heights on my residence and I'm going to be clear. That's why I put this thing up for rfp.

J

I'm sick and tired of you know lack of service or anybody not doing something for our residents, because our resident we're paying top money for everything in the city, not just garbage, but everything else and I'm going to hold everybody accountable for anything that comes in front of me. When residents speak, I'm going to listen. So, basically, that's why I put this thing here and I don't know: what's gonna happen with you know again, you know we have to go back and re rethink. You know whatever money we paid.

J

I know fema, uh as I mentioned, also at the last meeting when we put this thing up for budget for uh the the garbage that from the debris, the fema you know is asking us for how much we spent. So they might reimburse us for this amount so and again.

L

Mr baiduan councilmember dawn had suggested last time that we go and give you authority to spend three hundred thousand dollars in emergency to clean the rest of the city. Is this the amount you ask him for or you ask him for more money? And if that, if we approve this, how are you going to divide the work between gfl and any company? We.

J

Picked well, no, is there.

E

Q

No, no, no, no.

L

Misunderstanding.

A

But this is to go out for a totally separate company I, but not to clean up the flood stuff.

L

If we go for a separate company, are we going to eliminate anything with gfl or are we giving them 90 days? Let corporate.

A

Council miyaki speak on that. Yes,.

Q

This does not either one gives gfl 90 days, and it does not necessarily guarantee that we will not select gfl if we go through the full process in terms of the rfp. This is a preliminary step. Administration ends up preparing an rfp package. Brings it back to this body confirm whether or not it needs any tweaks, and then we end up issuing there based on your vote. So this does not terminate the relationship with gfl. It simply puts us into a position where, if we feel we can do better, then we're prepared to do better.

A

um I have a question too, though: didn't the administration ask gfl to concentrate on the flood damaged items and not pick up yard waste? If I remember correctly, was that? Yes, that's what happened. I.

X

Thought we were asked to suspend yard waste in order to get some of the flood damage, because the flood was starting to smell and it was it was there. There was a lot of it, so we were asked to suspend yard waste collection for a uh for a week. Yes, thank you.

I

Madam, thank you so much and with respect to that comment, I want. I just want to keep it out there right that, even if we suspend it to pick up weight, you know the trash uh regular waste trash. The debris is still out there, um even when gfl was out there and with with us having to spend 280 000. I just want to. I just want to put it out there.

I

um A resident reached out to me who's, you know, still emptying out is debris, and I want you to know the story, and I want to say this publicly, as he was emptying out his debris. There was two men in the truck and they almost got into a physical altercation. It was a verbal altercation, so I automatically reached out to our emergency manager, and I said: hey there's some gfl guys they got the truck numbers and he said I'm going to reach out to my guy sam. That's there. I said you know lee.

I

Somebody needs to go out there. These these people are about to get into a physical altercation. So lee went out there and he's the gentleman explained. These are fans from you know that I had to open up. There were several fans they refused to take it.

I

Our emergency manager who works for the city walked up to the two gentlemen and said: please just let us put those in there. They swore at him. They cursed at him and they said we're not taking it. So he took it and put it into a personal vehicle, drove it to city hall and threw it away. That's the things that we're dealing with so when a resident calls me and says a guy wants to beat me up.

I

I I'm so happy that the city that our administration put this forward, I mean because no resident, including our emergency manager, deserves that it's it's ridiculous and the last time councilman abdullah spoke with. I believe the gentleman that's sitting here here. He made it very clear. This is not acceptable. There's no excuses, it was a holiday, there's, always holidays. There's no excuses as to why somebody's trash, my next-door neighbor's trash isn't picked up, but my trash is picked up. There's no excuse for that. So, yes, I'm so happy that our administration is doing this.

I

I honest to god. I really am okay and- and I'm sorry I'm saying this with a lot of emotions, but I'm fr I'm frustrated every single day. I have to pick up a phone call or look at an email or look at a facebook message about a resident that doesn't have the trash picked up. It's literally garbage and okay.

J

Councilman, oh, go ahead. I also want I want to add something else. I mean some of the biggest thing, frustration for residents. I mean I, I understand you know about the issues that you have with labor issues, but the biggest thing. Also our residents, you know you're asking them to remove their vehicles from from the streets, so you say their pickup days is on monday. So now, sometimes you don't come back for like two or three days and their vehicles are in the street.

J

You can't bring your trucks to the city, I mean that's the thing: it's like it's chaos, it's it's! It's ridiculous that our residents have to go through uh this day in and day out. You know they call us like hey. Should we remove our cars? When is when? Are our trash gonna get picked up? So that's the biggest problem that we have. As we tell our residents, you need to get your cars off the streets and we get calls from residents every day. Okay, their car is supposed to be off the street.

J

Okay, they get them off the street. Well, the next day they don't pick up their garbage, and you know your drivers can't get through our city. Now we tell them okay, you got to remove your cars off the street again. So it's frustrating you know because it seems like our. My administration is working just for just for the trash pickup. You know it's hard to concentrate on just doing what's. What's what's, for the I mean the other city operations, so a lot of us are spending a lot of hours.

J

You know my emergency manager is here he's spending seven days a week and I've seen him here. I've been here seven days a week and he's that's all he's doing is answering stuff about trash, and it's ridiculous. I mean that's, you know and I will keep going back and forth, but I I hope this passes we need to put out, for you know, market and just see. What's going on, okay,.

A

You need to say, madam chair, because I can't see you waving your hand all the time.

Q

Okay, all right, if I may um just two points, uh one of them is you know the mayor and I discussed this. We believe that this is a very measured and thought through approach. In other words, we don't think it's radical, it's not like. We sat there and said just terminate them and not have anyone.

Q

So I think that this is a very prudent way to end up approaching this. The second thing is, is my recollection is: is that it was not the administration. That said, don't do the yard waste. It was like yeah prioritize, the flooding items, but we want you to get to the yard. Waste is as well as soon as you can, and then we still have this delay. That's been referred to by the members of the council, and that still is a concern for us, and that was that's. That's that's what the issue is so.

A

Thank you. I was thinking since coveted everybody's had problems. Even myers is no longer open, 24 hours and through it all they've did the they've done the best they could. They could have quit and left us hanging saying they just don't have people to cover the contract and just left they they didn't, leave us hanging. They tried their best is the way I look at it. There's a lot of places like I go to mcdonald's. It no longer is a five minute trip to the drive-thru.

A

Sometimes it's 25 minutes and there's only three or four cars in front of you. So everybody is struggling right now and we all need to see how it turns out. Especially if september is the time where people are supposed to be back to work.

B

So I had counseling. I just want to be fair because my personal experiences with gfl and their employees honestly, and I'm just being fair. The gentlemen that have showed up around my block have always been, and I've had different people over the years. They've always been courteous, polite and, and I've had a good working relationship with them. They don't know who I am, but every time I've walked out to talk to them. They've been courteous, polite and good people, so I find make sure to give them a shout out.

A

I haven't had a problem either you need.

B

A

H

Thank you for that, but again councilwoman, council chair, you know when somebody has a labor problem. You don't go out actively seeking new contracts with other communities. You take care of the communities that you have. So you know you go out and you pick just picked up allen park. So now you've got more people working there and our garbage isn't getting picked up. That may not be your responsibility, but that's gfl's responsibility.

H

How can you sit here and tell me that we're all going to be good but then you're actively seeking other communities when we can't get ours picked up that bothers me. That really truly bothers me.

X

Let me let me answer that.

E

X

To answer mr badoon's question too about that cardboard situation that was a saturday afternoon uh lee and I we spoke and we took, we took appropriate action with that. It was inappropriate and we took appropriate action. We talked on a saturday afternoon when that happened a few weeks ago, mr muscat, the the allen park bid was bid a long time ago. We were awarded that it just so happens that the award and start date was right. In the midst of all this flooring.

H

But they're getting good service, that's the problem. I have relatives that live in allen park and they've got excellent services nobody's missing anything. So if allen park doesn't get missed, why the hell should we get missed and we've been here longer than they have? That's my that's my issue. Okay, because I can show you my telephone right here. You can pick it up and go through all the text messages any emails that I get on a daily basis and uh it's very frustrating. I told you before.

H

I got a big chunk missing out of my rear end here, because I'm at the bottom of the food chain here: okay and I'm getting tired of being nibbled on.

A

Okay, councilman baidu.

I

And last question and sam: this is to you and on the record and to the public and to the residents that are watching. Can you give them a promise today that this is going to stop and our trash is going to continue it's going to start getting picked up and we're going to get good service moving forward after today's meeting? Can you make that promise to our residents? Can we at least give that to them.

X

Yes, yes, yes, I can I what I told you is today I expected to be complete. Today, we've gotten some traction, we're starting to put more trucks on the road as we get more employees hired trained. uh We want them trained properly, but it takes a little bit of time, but I I'm thinking by mid-august we're going to be back to speed and on track with collection. Now the mayor made a good point as well.

X

When we are delayed when we have that delayed service, it compounds it, creates the phones to ring it creates the parking problem on the street. So I understand those problems.

I

Sam and one last thing sam and like what councilman abdullah said, clearly we have enough trucks that was able to go into dearborn a little bit of dearborn heights. You know in all you know, gross point detroit and pick up all the you know, majority of the debris that we could.

I

You said the amount of time that you picked up in that stretch of you know two three weeks: can we do a blitz for the next week instead of having to wait till mid august for this next week, send as many trucks to dearborn heights to pick up all the trash we're not delayed for that one day or six days and we're all back on check. So we don't have to wait until you know the first two weeks of august to august that's the next 16..

I

Well, that would be two weeks, though he's saying mid. You know the first two weeks or so you know, okay,.

X

Yes, we can, it would have to be a weekend. It has.

I

To be a saturday, then, let's just do it yeah.

X

I I that that offer has been made and it still stands. We can do that. uh We're asked not.

I

To have no cost, since you know, because the cost is right now is that residents don't have their debris picked up? We I mean we paid for this contract. We agreed to this contract. Clearly the contract has been breached. To some extent, can we just blitz saturday and allow the residents all the trash to be picked up by? Can we give a deadline by this saturday.

X

We I can work with administration and get to get something scheduled. Yes, can we do that.

J

We need to assess everything like I said. Let's we'll talk about it tomorrow,.

H

You know fenton was just signed by you guys june 1st, I mean that's last month and you added another big community festival.

A

You need to be recognized.

B

We have councilman.

A

B

Sam just a quick question- tony god rest his soul and, like I mentioned, unfortunately, because of clovid, we lost him, but I remember what he used to do, and I was just asking the council chair about that. She remember too, I remember we talked to him at the council meetings.

B

You guys would have your big trucks that pick up the garbage and in his job, as I recall, correct me if I'm wrong would be following the different big trucks right behind them within a few minutes behind them and then just looking on both sides just seeing what possibly has been missed, I mean: let's face it: there's always going to be human error.

B

Do you still have that type of logistics in place where there's another pickup truck of a supervisor driving behind the big trucks, to make sure that everything's been picked up nothing's been missing if it has been turn back around and do it.

X

Yes, we, yes, we do. We actually have akeel alexander out here and also a a supervisor, is david williams and or nick allen out there as well extra support. I think I committed to that then.

B

How are you, then, how are they, then? If you got three people there, how are they still missing it? Then you.

X

Have you have two basically each day but a third one? They switch off okay, so they're they're, driving still driving by flood damage material. If it's there we're getting what we can, if the obvious I'm talking about garbage for right now. Well, there's that's where the staffing shortfall may come in. So if we're short of truck driver for the day they're most.

K

Concerned didn't.

X

Get picked up but they're, aware of that, and they come back to that the next day. Okay,.

A

Thank you at this time. We should take a vote. We've discussed this long enough. Do you have a question? Yes, a question.

P

um I drive around the city and this is before the flood, and I see these guys in these garbage trucks that have the automated can't pick up and they're out of their truck picking up large items, and I stop and talk to them. I must have talked to 10 or 15 different guys and a girl, and they all say this is not our job. We shouldn't be getting out of the truck we're an automated truck. We need bulk trucks to go around. He said that would solve all the problem.

P

We could you fly down the streets pick up the cans. Bulk trucks will come by later and pick up the big stuff. Can you supplies with more bulk trucks, because I've seen the bulk trucks? It's just.

X

The rear load trucks yeah, we do put rear little trucks in, but the automated front motor has the ability to take these chairs the driver steps out. It's a low entry cab, so they step out. They grab the chair, put it in the truck. It's an efficiency thing. Now, if there's a four mattresses or a dresser or a large screen television, that's a different story. That's when that bulk truck has to come around pick those items up.

P

Can we get more of those trucks because I see everybody I talked to say man I wish I didn't have to get out of the truck you know ten times on the street. I wish I could just go. Buy bam, bam, bam and pick up all the.

X

Yes is the answer? Yes, because we're only here. Thank you.

A

Okay, this time everybody ready to vote.

I

Thank you, sam.

A

Thank you, sam, informing us of everything. Okay, this is for authorization to issue rfp for possible selection of contractor for waste collection and recycling. All those in favor say aye aye, those opposed the eyes have it.

A

Next we have corporation council miaki payment procedures, ma'am chair, councilman, abdullah,.

B

I moved that the day on heights city council authorized the mayor to pay necessary expenses without prior authorization of the city council pursuant to city charter. Section 8.9 up to previously authorized budget amounts in the following categories and subject to the following: a payments may be made for employee wages, salaries, benefits contributions and contractually mandated items b.

B

Payments may be made for utilities and insurance where the city council is previously authorized. The city's contractual relationship with the provider c payments may be made for the purchase of materials, goods supplies and other things or things for a cost not to exceed fifteen hundred dollars.

B

Additionally, pursuant to the city charter, section 8.9, the total amount of such payments made between any successful regular meetings of the city council shall not exceed one million five hundred thousand dollars or such other amount. As the city council made from time to time established further corporation council miyatki is directed to prepare one or more appropriate ordinances resolutions and or policies to formalize and improve the city's payment procedures, as outlined in item 9c support.

A

For by councilman bae doon is there any questions? I'm.

B

Chair councilman.

A

B

So I had a question on this. One um first question is the 1.5 million okay, um the thousand five hundred dollar situation. I've been very familiar with, and I've known, we've used it for many many years that I've been on the council and it could be just necessarily just the way we've done things, not necessarily from the charter. So maybe you could talk about that uh council miyake, but, more importantly, in this um motion it says that and I'm gonna go right to it.

B

The total amount of such made payments between any successful regular meetings of the city council shall not exceed, and this is a key point- one million five hundred thousand dollars or such other amount, as the city council made from time to time established- and it said: okay, I'm sorry to begin the sentence. It says additionally, pursuant to city charter, section 8.9, the total amount blah blah blah 1.5 million.

B

With that being the case when I pulled up two things number one I had to, I want to get a clarification and I also had a little bit of an issue of 1.5 million amount over uh one period, but also when I pulled up the the charter section- 8.9.

B

No, nothing was mentioned in there in regards to a specific amount of 1.5 million, and I have it printed right here right if you needed it. So can you clarify that for me sure I believe that would be go ahead. Corporate council.

Q

Yeah, thank you. The city charter, section 8.9, says the total amount of such warrants issued between any successive regular meetings of the council should not exceed an amount, as the council may establish from may from time to time established correct. So the council can come up with the amount. What I did is I spoke to different department heads and tried to come up with an aggregate amount.

Q

This includes, by the way, all the payroll all the benefits of utilities, insurance and just a lot of other items, and it also has to take into account that there may be sometimes where you have one regular meeting like in december and nothing until january.

Q

So the idea was to essentially end up having it where sometimes you have, for example, three payrolls in a month that you make sure that you have enough enough of a fund to cover that, and I discussed that with our hr director in terms of an amount that would be safe under the circumstances.

Q

And then I spoke to our comptroller and spoke to him about other amounts that would end up being included and the combined amounts came out to a little under or a little over. I think 1.4 million dollars and that's how we came up with the 1.5.

B

But one of the challenges I had with that counselor is in that it says it doesn't imply it states it clearly. It says that pursuant to city charter, section 8.9, I'm just saying it is not in city charter, section 8.9, all it says in section, 8.9 is basically in in general, uh plain english at the city council's discretion, okay, councilman and then in that sentence it says, or such other amount city council made from time to time established right.

B

So what I'd like personally and clear clarify for me is a if you don't mind, I'm sorry, excuse me if you don't mind as an attorney by putting that number in there. This is implying that that's a part of our charter and it's not the 1.5 million- is not a part of our charter, so clarify that for me, if you don't mind, please.

Q

Actually, I disagree with you that reference to the charter is to say this is what section of the charter that you're referring to, so that people who end up seeing this motion know that it's pursuant to that section. In other words, you are establishing that amount in the charter. It says you may establish an amount.

Q

This is the amount that you are establishing pursuant to section 8.9, but.

B

That's what that.

Q

Reference: okay,.

B

My opinion, the 1.5 million- should be in there as just um as a part of the sentence which says or such other amount as a city council, just keep it as as an amount, as a city council made from time to time established versus the 1.5 million. But because.

I

B

That that's the amount, that's part of the charter and I.

Q

Disagree with that, but councilman you have to establish an amount. In other words, you have not established an amount, that's why you have to do it. That's why there's the reference to section 8.9, in other words, what's being said here, is we're doing this pursuant to section 8.9.

Q

This is the amount that we are establishing from time to time. We are starting with 1.5. We may change it to something else. We may lower it. We may increase it. We may get rid of this motion entirely, but the the important thing to remember is the city has been operating for decades.

Q

As far as I know as if this has been done- and it hasn't been done up to this point as far as we can verify that's our problem is that I, you know, I've been doing work for the city for decades and it's always been. Oh, it's just you know. If it's one point, you know, if it's fifteen hundred dollars, it's perfectly fine, uh I go through the policies and procedures. I had a discussion with the city clerk about this. It's kind of like this is gobbledygook.

Q

There seems to be references to it, there's five hundred dollars, but there doesn't seem to be any real specific authorization, so this issue ended up arising when uh the city treasurer mr jamal.

Q

You know mr jawad ended up having discussions about some of these things. They raised this issue and I said well, you know what I don't recall specifically doing this. We should end up making sure we do it and do it right away. Otherwise people could argue that we can't pay payroll.

H

So can I make a suggestion: please go ahead, councilman muscat! I know we have an election next week, okay and it's not a regular scheduled week for us to meet, but after we discuss this, if we can make a motion maybe to have a study session immediately after the election on wednesday or thursday to discuss this, why?

H

Why would you deny a.

A

Study session election day is busy enough. I'm just.

H

Saying I didn't say the day of I said after the election. Oh, I.

A

Thought it meant the same day and I.

H

Was just saying this is apparently okay, you gave me a heart attack, okay, no! I would I gotta work that day anyway. So, but I'm just saying we need to discuss this further and we're not going to get anything done here, because I know I don't understand it. Mr abdullah doesn't understand it hey. Let's refer.

A

To a study session, then.

H

But I didn't make a motion, so we would have to refer it.

L

B

And I will gladly modify my emotion because I I respectfully I you know- you have a lot more law degrees than me, but uh I have none, but I I just I don't like I'm not comfortable with the verbiage personally, the the 1.5 million being in there implying that's part of section 8.9. So with that being the case, I'd like to amend my motion to take item. Is it 9c.

A

B

Back to a study session per the council chair's approval and have it immediately an immediate support for.

A

By councilman, well, that's her question: yes, okay, all those in favor say: aye aye; okay, all those.

P

And all those opposed, no, I said: was there any discussion after the second.

A

We're going to a study session, there's no motion on the table to discuss. Once you go to a study session, you go to a study session.

P

That's what where the discussion happens, it should be. uh Is there any question comments? Yes,.

A

It goes to the study session for yeah. That's the reason we have a study session, there's no.

E

More discussing.

A

It here, if you make it.

P

Is that correct? This is clear.

A

The clerk says we go to a study session, we don't discuss after we vote on it.

P

H

P

Yeah, well, we took a major motion. It was second, then there should be asked if there's any discussion before with the vote, but.

A

The discussion would happen in a study session right.

P

Well, he wants to ask.

H

A

P

That this is, uh you know, fifteen hundred dollars. I spoke to believe it or not.

P

My ice cream man, who's very knowledgeable in city, city events and procedures, more than you'd think, and he brought up a good point is why would you allow anybody to spend fifteen hundred dollars without it being available for the residents to to look at it's their choice, to look at it now, but everything we every penny we spend should be, would be published somehow and have the residents be able to look at that if they want, instead of just allowing this 1500 this week next week next week next week next week to be keep giving out, it should be available for the public to view every penny we spend not up to 1500, but every penny we spend.

L

I would like to ask our compliance director if they are, we are.

H

Can we do that in the study session? That's.

A

L

A

H

Session should be yeah, because you know.

A

I will state that we do have people at public comment and I expect that to go a long time tonight. So let's keep this a little shorter. If we could um all right next, we have.

H

We already voted.

A

H

Oh no, we haven't voted yet. Okay.

A

All those in favor say aye aye, those opposed the eyes have it. Next we have corporation council miyaki selection of cap developers, madam chair councilman, constant.

F

I move that the dearborn heights city council select the following firms as the developers for the city action preservation, cap program for 2021, dynamic, full consulting llc headline, consulting llc fpj investments, llc and hp tax, foreclosure llc.

F

Additionally, from each such developer, the city council approves and authorizes the mayor and the city clerk to execute on behalf of the city, the respective developer, agreements for the 2021 dearborn heights city action preservation program submitted by corporation council miyaki. Together with his letter dated july 19, 2021 related to the selection of cap developers, is outlined in 9d support.

A

Quarterback councilman abdul hawk is there any questions.

L

Yes, councilman.

A

Go ahead, please! Yes,.

L

First, I would like to know who established this list and based on what.

L

Q

I would council chair if you want me to answer, but emergency manager gavin can as well go.

A

Ahead, gavin emergency.

U

Yes, we went out for bids, and these were the four companies that submitted bids the administration decided since it there was that four we'll go forward forward with them three of them. We had prior dealings with in the past and we have one new company endline um this time around, so we'll split up to homes between those four groups.

L

From the past, I see those developers come in, they buy him at low price, they fix him, they sell them. We collect taxes, but I believe that there are some non-profit organizations in our city are interested in getting those homes too, for housing, battered women's who are in our city and some people who have domestic violence against them. They like basically to rehabilitate these homes and they will house these people at no cost, and I believe we owe it to our women who are basically experience.

L

This kind of behavior, at least to give a little hand and little help, and I would like to add to this list the amity foundation as one of the people who are selected- and I would like him to participate and get some homes to do that.

A

Council corporate council.

Q

Well, the difficulty is that they did not put in a proposal and they haven't shown that they're capable of actually doing that. We had these four uh potential developers who had they've all put in their appropriate proposal and they all appear ready to go and part of this program or actually the whole gist of this program is to try to have the developers come in rehabilitate these properties and then sell them as single family dwellings that are owner occupied.

Q

So that's the real gist of of this program and that's what the council approved in the rfp package that we ended up issuing, and so that would be a very different direction. From what.

L

This council, this organization, has the money, is capable and it has the references and it has the reputation, and it is very well known in our community, and I would like you know, to possibly postpone this tablet until you know we see, give them a chance to see if they they come and submit their bid.

H

Madam chair, I think we'd be cheating up the bid procedure.

A

H

L

H

L

Companies I do not like whatsoever and I'm not going to mention their names, and I don't want any hint or anything. You know anything whatsoever that they got selected for one reason or another. I would like to table this to clarify that and give that amity foundation a chance to come in and bid on him because, like I said, we owe it to our women in this community to have a place that they can go to if they have been beaten or mistreated by their spouses.

D

Who made the motion.

A

Corporate council did you want to respond to that? Is this something.

Q

I think I already already did I think that.

A

Would be a council decision.

Q

L

That's inconsistent again: I spoke to the gentleman who's in charge of it he's very interested and for one reason or another he didn't have a chance to be done it, but I have a relief in it. I don't have anybody who's better than my house or mistreated, so they can be housed or given help, but I think it is something very humane to do in our city.

A

Okay, what would you guys like to do man chair.

I

Who made the motion.

F

I made the most, I mean we, we can pass it and then they can also also they won't be able.

H

To okay, how can they bid it? Would you like to how the.

Q

Promise is that we get these properties and then we normally try to give them right away and the more time we wait with them. Then you potentially have squatters and other things. As a matter of fact, we've had some problems with the 2019 properties, with respect to that, in terms of even a fraud and.

L

Would you like to change your emotion well,.

F

With all due respect, your councilman abdelhock, I think, as far as do we know for certain that amity foundation would be interested in yes, they are.

B

I do know them as a reputable and honorable organization. They activate for a fact.

I

The actual gentleman was here earlier, or else you could have spoken, but I think I would like to see this being tabled and sent back and potentially give them the option to be able to bid on this as well.

A

Do we exclude some people from that process that.

I

I just don't wait.

A

No, no corporate council- I'm sorry yeah, my corporate council were there others that we didn't qualify. That applied. I mean this is the amount of people that were qualified.

Q

Yeah, we basically did we reject any people. We did not reject anyone, however, again remember. The idea is that the properties would be rehabilitated sold to a single-family uh as single family dwellings owner occupied the the idea that they would end up being sold to end up becoming some sort of a shelter is inconsistent with with the program, perhaps as a as an alternative.

Q

There might be some other properties that the city has and if there is a need for that, it can be done outside of the context of this program. But it's it's really very strange. I mean you know just very inconsistent with the underlying basis for this program to put in a non-profit, because then the property is not even getting back onto the tax rolls it will end up. Basically, being you know, non-taxable- and uh I mean it seems, inconsistent with the general idea of the of this program, so.

B

A

Councilman abdellah councilman, badoon and then councilman constance.

B

So I and this one when, when I got when I received the package and went through it, um and and I want to make it clear a as you know- I'm very blunt- I'm not afraid to say something or call something out if it needs to be, but at the same time I'm also very direct and saying I'm not implying anything about what I'm.

B

What by what I'm about to say, but I just found it very and again, I'm not implying anything, but I try it just I couldn't I didn't get it because we've gone through the cap program multiple times, we didn't do it last year and I'm not sure 19. I know for sure we didn't do it last year, but in past years with me on the council past six, seven years, whatever it's been um consistently, we've had.

B

We've had to do a study session for the number of people that came forward and said I'd like to buy houses, and if some of you guys have been on there, you know, we'd have 12 15 companies buying for these homes and then we'd have to you know, cancel out somebody keep somebody, and then this one came in front of us and suddenly I seen four companies, and these are the four companies we're moving with and I went through the contracts.

B

Contracts were pretty much the same, so what there was nothing drastic change there, but I just and again I'm not implying nothing, but I'm just trying to clarify. I don't get how we went from consistently 12 15 companies vying for these homes or investors or whatever you want to call them and suddenly just four and that's it it's just. I just found it odd. So.

U

That's all that submitted the bids to the comptroller's office, those four names, but again, I'm not implying anything. I'm just.

B

Curious with your expertise like do you know what like why such a drastic drop.

U

Maybe in the middle of covet, I I can't answer that right and if I may.

A

Corporate council.

Q

Thank you, council chair. We never had that many. I think we ended up having five or six.

B

More than that, I don't know if it was 12 15, but we had quite a.

Q

Bit, I could name them three that are here.

E

Q

A

Q

Another company that was associated with a particular individual that uh that we all know um and then another individual, mr mackey's company, that also did not put in a bid at this time.

L

Because he was asked not to put in.

Q

L

I'm not going to comment more than that.

Q

I and I won't either because I can tell you essentially, he didn't sign a contract left.

A

Q

All right so, but the point is, is that we did not have that many uh and now we have, I think, a grand total of how many 12 properties 11. yeah. So we we don't have a lot of properties and you know when they end up getting into this bid process.

Q

Yes, if they get a property like a really good property, they can end up doing extremely well, but they also have to take the good and the bad together, and so they can end up getting a real terrible property that they have to rehab, and that can end up being uh an issue. So you know you want to end up giving them enough. So you just don't have someone who gets one property and then they get the dog of the properties, and so now counselor.

B

Property is a realtor, no they're gonna do okay, they're going to be okay. Trust me! Oh.

Q

I I know basically.

B

When you combine them all they're going to do, okay right yeah, I can tell you.

A

Councilman baedun.

I

Yeah, madam chair, um thank you so much for that and just kind of piggyback off of councilman abdulheck on this. um From what I do know- and I you know I fairly knew I I'm not familiar with the cap program. I didn't see it published anywhere and I'm sure it was with respect to the administration.

I

uh The gentleman from the amity foundation has reached out to me, and I believe so I've been almost all of the uh administrator council here. You know whenever that gets brought up. I want to be a part of that bed and I said, hey yeah as soon as it comes up I'll I'll. Definitely let you know when you can apply for that for that bid.

I

um So I I just feel like with respect to the the organization who's been giving a hand to this community for for many many years we should be able to table this put this back and allow the amy foundation to be a part of this that should, with respect to them and to this council council, chair, councilman, muscat,.

A

I'm sorry councilman, council, I'm sorry! Thank you.

F

Number one would, as far as I know, a house on a block that was a sold a tax foreclosure and we got first dibs on may or may not be appropriate for a shelter house. That's correct uh uh and number two would that even be a permissible use?

F

For um I mean the idea is that we sell these homes under certain restrictions. It's uh there's restrictions on the deed, the single family doesn't move in and live there if it's sold within so many years. It reverts back but is, is that even a possibility? It.

Q

Is a possibility, it would be very questionable all depending on if they have a bunch of people who are unrelated, then we end up potentially having a zoning issue with respect to the property as well. But you know I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that they might be able to do something and with it as a single family dwelling, but it's otherwise inconsistent with the whole rfp package.

I

They have so I'll. Give you a quick I'll. Give you a quick example: there's a student with the no names who plays sports at crestwood high school. Where he's a very good athlete uh the family is renting a home. uh They they can't afford to pay the 15 16 and I'm sure councilman abdullah, can tell you I'm sorry.

P

I

A thousand square foot home today at 16 1700, you know 100 a month and this family can't afford it. So this kid is not allowed to play the sports. The amity foundation is willing to purchase this home and say you know I'm going to let this family live in here, instead of paying 1600 a month, they're going to pay 800 a month, something that they can afford.

I

That's enough to pay off the taxes every year and allowing the student to be able to go ahead and play sports and potentially have a career in- and you know, go on to college instead of not being using his talents in the sports or the academics that they're allowed to some of these children that are in school are: are 16 17 years old they're, not studying they're helping their families.

I

So they can, you know, continue to help their family, and so the anime foundations wants to be the resource to these families and say we're going to help these families out, uh and so that means I'm going to buy one of these houses at a very good cost. I'm going to allow somebody to go ahead and rent this at a very good cost as well, so it's still being sold the taxes are still being paid.

I

It's more of a wave.

Q

Well, I'm I'm sorry if I may, why would the taxes be paid by a non-profit company.

I

Well, no, no I'm saying like if the city still owes well the resident, that's renting it say he paid 800 a month, I'm just giving you a hypothetical out there. The eight hundred dollars a month would be enough by the end of the year to be able to pay the taxes that the city you know uh taxed. For the for that.

Q

Product yeah, but we would, we would probably not tax them because they're, a non-profit and.

I

I don't believe the nonprofit is gonna. Ask you to not tax the actual property. Oh.

Q

I think they would, I mean, I'm sorry, I think they they would expect that they would be treated like any other non-profit, not end up having to pay taxes with respect to this, and then we have people who are essentially tenants in the property which is inconsistent with the idea of them being single-family owner-occupied properties at that point, so this is very very I mean the council can choose what it wants to do.

Q

Obviously, but this is a very different way of looking at this entirely and maybe might be able to be, like I said, as an alternative, maybe there's a better way to end up doing it with another property or another other properties that might be better suited for this, but these are all at least right now, single-family properties and.

I

Let me ask you another question: say the nonprofit purchased it and gifted it to this family in need, and then now this family need is owning a single family uh property and now they're paying the taxes on it.

Q

Right and maybe they are or maybe they turn around and they flip it and there's no no.

E

Responsibility.

Q

For them to do anything, they make a, they make a a huge profit off of it, and essentially our goal is is lost and they give it to someone who buys it, and then they turn it around and make it into a a rental.

I

I

With respect to them, we should give them the option to.

A

Be able to we're not making any progress, we do have a motion on the table that we really should vote on before we go further with this council.

H

A

One question: okay,.

H

A

Point of order, if we're going to do questions councilman constance next well, then we need to.

H

Then we need to go ahead and we need to continue because I've got a major question: go ahead. Counselor. Is it legal with the cap program because I know the cap program had specific language in it to be single family homes? Okay. Now I want to help people as much as anybody else, but we got to do it the legal way and if the cap program doesn't allow it to happen that way, then we have to find another block of homes later to be able to do that.

Q

That's simple: if I, if I may yeah council chair.

H

That's the question to you, sir.

Q

Corporate council- it is not currently authorized under this, so.

H

L

Until I see this opinion and writing okay, I agree.

A

Well, we have a motion on the table. First of all, we have to vote on that motion and then we can come back and agree to.

B

It, but I want to clarify something about the illegal uh counselor just to be clear, and this has no reflection on amity specifically, but to the best of my knowledge, please clarify for me, this is our program, it's at our discretion, because you said this is not. This is outside the norm and it may be outside the norm, but it is at our discretion what we do with these homes.

B

The cap program is not a state mandated program, as far as I know, unless clarify for me, if I'm wrong to the best of my knowledge, this is a program where we buy properties back and it is at our discretion what we do with them- and I recall specifically on on the council table we started putting in the parameters as far as whoever buys them. You know it can't be a rental, they can't flip it.

B

They can't sell it land, contract, etc, etc, etc, and these were all our parameters, thus making it our program and our discussion. What we do with them versus quote unquote: illegal.

Q

What I said was, if I may sure.

B

I

A

Q

Authorized, if you wanted to change all the parameters of the program we can buy the city, we can. You can change those, but it would be inconsistent with what you've done.

B

But inconsistent just means it's not the same as what we typically have done, but doesn't mean it's illegal.

Q

It means that you can't do it the way you would.

B

Condition without.

Q

Changing everything about.

B

These contracts, we can't do it based on the conditions we put on the cap program, con contracts in the past.

Q

Right now, but what contract we.

B

Put in now or rfp can be changed at our discretion. Well,.

Q

Right now, the contracts that we have here it would not be able to be done.

B

What we put out for rfp, but it is our discretion even if we get rfps back, it is at our discretion and I'm just clarifying for our council members depends the direction they want to go, but even if we get for our request for proposals to clarify. So if we get in this case four bids, which I'm still not comfortable with, why we only got four bids.

B

But we'll move off of that being that we got four bids, it is still at our discretion as a council body to say no, we're not gonna go with that. We're gonna go we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna change it to x, we're gonna go with z or whatever it is at our discretion at the end of the day.

B

Yes, thank you.

A

Okay, I have councilman abdulhaq.

L

I would recommend we vote on it. Okay,.

A

Councilman, muscat, you are national, we're not going to keep going back and forth. We went too many times. I already.

H

Done I already said what I need to say.

A

Okay, at this time, are we prepared to vote on this.

F

Well, I I just want to point out these: are the county offers us first dibs at these tax foreclosure properties, but within certain restrictions and there's, you know a lot of controversy. A lot of the the one uh realty transitions is is under indictment. The mayor of taylor's under indictment, the rules- um I don't know how open the the bidding process was. I I'm somewhat familiar with amity foundation and their good group.

F

I just don't know that this particular program, these particular houses, would be suited and at this late in the game, if it's possible to change it and open it up, that's it. That's it.

A

Okay, at this time, no sorry councilman.

P

At this time, several times.

A

Councilman this is the council tables discussion and if we need to ask somebody a specific question outside council chamber table, then we address them at that time. That's the robert's rules of order.

A

Okay, at this time, this is the corporation council miaki selection of cap program, a selection of cap developers, all those in favor say aye aye, those opposed. No, no okay. Let's take a roll call, councilman muscat, yes, councilman, constant, yes, councilman, bae dune! No malinowski is yes, councilman abdellah, no councilman abdul hawk councilman, wenzel.

A

Okay, it fails next item on the agenda. Is library, director, mccaffrey disposal of items.

B

Ma'am, chair councilman.

A

B

So this is oh, I got them all over. It's getting a little messier. I moved that. The devon heights city council approved the request to donate or dispose of four foam green panels. Eight study area chairs, two steel, bookshelf, cabinets, 20, steel, cd shelves and two large flyer racks. These items will will either be recycled or donated to local charities. It's outlined in item 9e support.

A

Supported by councilman bay dune is there any discussion.

B

Just thank you for donating them to local charities yeah. Thank you.

A

Okay, any further discussion, all those in favor say aye aye, those opposed the eyes have it now under ordinances and resolutions. We have mayor bassey resolution of the senior alliance 2022 annual implementation program for aging services. Madam chair councilman,.

F

Constand I move that the dearborn heights city council approve and adopt the city of dearborn heights resolution, affirming approval of the senior alliance 2022 annual implementation plan for aging services, as outlined in 11 city support.

A

By councilman abdul hawk, is there any discussion, all those in favor say: aye aye, those opposed the eyes have it at this time. We will open it up to comments from council members.

A

I ask that you limit it to three minutes. Go ahead. Please.

P

Okay, thank you. uh First of all, my voting no on 9d was not anything to do with the uh proposal of having a non-profit, or it was something completely different. A legal issue I I know about.

P

I want to thank the mayor for appointing me on the 100th anniversary party, for the golf course very honored to be part of that. It's going to be really exciting. um Director jamal and uh ali dev are doing a fantastic job. I've been working with those guys last couple of weeks and months.

P

Man, we scored big time with those guys I knew dpw director seems to be doing a fantastic job. Also, congratulations and I had a. I was asked to ask this question. I don't know who to ask it to, but um during covid we had all the meetings on online through zoom, uh at which point the uh during which the uh console chambers were being remodeled. Can you what was actually remodeled or changed in the council.

J

Chambers is that, for me, what was remodeled nothing yet.

P

Nothing you know so. I was asked to ask that question.

M

So the last council meeting we had approval of a contract for a design built um to to facelift. This is not going into the structure. This is a facelift, basically code compliant issues. You know, ada compliance, uh the chairs, the separation and the most important part is the technology part.

M

As you can see, we still have vhs equipment up on on the walls that can't be used um and then also camera sessions, fixed end cameras and all the technology package was, as we discussed in the last council meeting, will be portable in a way that it can be moved with us. If we have to remove to move the.

M

um Equipment to a different location, so it's a facelift for this chamber code, compliant issues um and um uh technology equipment all right. Thank you.

P

Like I said yes, yes, why are you up there sure one one more question sure um I'm south of dearborn heights? We have the course creek and on the north and rouge river. Yes do all storm waters drain into those bodies of water respectively.

P

Respectfully I mean, on the south end, do all storm waters drain into the creek and do all storm waters on the north end drain into the rouge river.

M

Yes, so majority 90, plus percent, yes, where else would it go? um We have some um combined between the two, but um we have a lot of infiltration. That's actually going into sanitary as opposed to storm, but the majority, just like you, indicated the two locations. Yes. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you, council, chair.

A

Councilman of bella.

B

um So this is for this is for uh director, ali deeb or maybe administration um with the last. um You know um flooding what have you, and this is specifically in regards to e-course creek every time. I look at that. I I just it just oh my god. I can't. I can't tell you guys how much it bothers me and try to imagine having to live right by that and all that water in the street flowing up inside people's living rooms.

B

Now we all get upset when it happens to our basements, which is you know, a little bit less problematic versus obviously the first floor, but when it goes into the okay, when it goes into the first floor, you know from the creek that's seriously problematic for a lot of people, and I know we've talked about grants. We've talked about the state. We've talked about the federal we've talked about.

B

You know washington dc and george, washington and lincoln, and and kennedy and everybody's going to help us out, but at the end of the day nobody is nobody's, helped the residents out for at least that I know of 10 12 15 years on plus.

B

You know how they talk about dredging. The ecourse creek call me crazy, but I'm just familiar with the situation in a family all hands on deck. So if something happened to one of my brothers, my sister, I could sit there and say: well, you know waiting to get somebody from somebody or I'd say hey. I gotta do what I can do to help out my family.

B

Being all of us are dealing heights family. I just think I think it's the right thing to do personally if we were to put out either now or maybe next year or with borrower or whatever two million dollars from our budget from wherever and at least start something. This is not going to solve everything forever, but start solve something to start to solve this problem for the residents now. Am I talking about putting a huge retaining pond we've seen the army corps of engineers have talked about 250 million. I think it was 180 million.

B

I've seen another estimate, 340 million. Needless to say, we don't have that money, but even if we did the basic squeegee, you know clean up as much as we can, with whatever equipment we could bring in it could cost us a million. It could cost us 2 million. We could put out a bond, we could make it over 10 years five years- I don't know, but I tell you I as a resident, am willing to pay additional taxes, as I hope and pray.

B

A lot of other residents are willing to pay additional taxes, or maybe we take it from within our budget, but we cut out something from our budget. Can that type of number help at least minimize? That problem.

M

So part of the lessons learned from the last well, I'm going to say three floods that we had uh so far hundred year- frauds, yes 500, but in any case yes, so so part of the lessons learned is that we are currently looking at our system uh um in total and then, as the councilman uh uh indicated, that we have the two separate uh uh drainage systems. If you will um the south and the north end we're looking at uh exactly what you said.

M

So we are looking at going out for a rfq to indic to look at the drainage area in total and then the capacity and what short-term things that we can do. Council mob, shared with me a copy of the court of engineers report um over the last weekend. I believe- and I actually read the whole thing and then there.

R

It was amazing.

M

But but it it's, you have to keep it and first the data is a little old, so it needs to be updated, and I can tell you just by if you put this out a bit today, the numbers are have probably doubled. um So it's it's. It's outdated because of construction cost, uh current construction cost and the things that we needed to the capacity and and the coverage area will have to be enlarged.

M

So, instead of starting from scratch, we're going to take this as a starting point. There were some good recommendations there. I believe options and there are six options, but we can start make that a starting point and then see on our scale on our side. What we can do to mitigate such events in the future, so I'll be coming back to you for, for um with possible options relatively soon, but.

B

See that's my point ali. That's exactly my point see well, I I obviously want to continue going after state level and and uh federal level, no doubt about it. So for our congresswoman that are working on this, absolutely god bless. You continue to do this, okay, great, but what I'm talking about just at least at this particular point, let's just fix the flat tire before we change the tire right, we'll continue working on the big stuff for later, but even some is simple again, I'm an engineer.

B

This is your world, but just something to clean start cleaning it. Yes, thank you.

M

We will be yeah, go ahead.

J

Well, you gotta remember that the creek is a county, uh so we are talking to that county and also the state so just had a meeting today. Regarding that particular topic,.

B

But even the judge's judgment, let's go back to the count and say: let's go I mean.

J

No, we are, we are meeting, they are very helpful and we had a meeting two meetings today with the county, and I talked to somebody from the governor's office today as well. So we are, we are pushing for something yes, so I.

B

I I I'm looking for is boots on. I'm gonna give you a military turn boots on the ground. I.

J

Can see oh yeah, I know what that means. Thank you, uh but yeah. We are working on it trust me and uh we are uh we're going full speed. You know holding everybody. uh You know everybody's willing to help, especially now with three floods uh they are, we are working together. We are meeting with everybody on deck. Thank you for participating.

A

Thank you, muscat,.

H

Yes, number one um again on the item that we we voted. I voted yes on about the housing. It's got nothing to do against battered women. Believe me. I want to find a place, but what I'm concerned about is the way the cap program was set up and I voted to keep the keep whatever we had set up and then maybe down in the future for the next set of houses.

H

We can change the rules, but I will go with the city council and see about changing the rules for this one, uh and I agree with you guys on that case. So I just want to make that clear. Number one number two, I wanna I I said it earlier in a day: there's people that are ramping and raving about sewers, never ever been cleaned. They've lived here for thirty forty years never saw us sewers being cleaned. I can assure you the city is getting the sewers clean this. This is a five-year project.

H

Folks, it doesn't take five days to go through the whole city. It takes years to go through an entire city. This size- and I was one of the council people along with in the beginning. It was myself about our sewers not being cleaned properly by a former company, and then um we had.

H

Councilman bazzi at the time and councilwoman malinowski maxwell joined the fight in with me on getting a different company to see about getting our sewers cleaned properly. I believe they are now, and uh people have asked to see a a schedule.

H

uh Hopefully we can, I can get a hand on a schedule of when and where the next round of cleaning will be, so people can drive by see the truck out there and so that'll be one of the things I'll be asking our dpw department for my next one is. The ordinance department needs help. Folks I spent another round with the director, I'm sure he doesn't like to see me uh coming to there and kind of giving them a piece of my mind, but um but I'm gonna tell them the way.

H

The same thing I told gfl, I'm at the bottom of the food chain pal and I'm I'm getting beat up here uh about all of this mess and and uh I'd like to ask corporation council miyaki.

H

What's the hold up on bringing these people into court issuing tickets, I hear stories, it's their hands are tied legally and all of this, let's get the job done, mr miyaki, whatever it takes, I know we have a new attorney that may not be up to speed but get her up to speed. This is what we pay her for. Okay. So that's another thing that I I'm saying and then um I have uh another issue with uh uh mr shank, our attorney. Well, when does council people have a timeline? I was told by councilwoman.

A

Tonight, because we're going so late.

H

No, that's not, according to any rules that we passed as a council and I'm sorry, I've got things that citizens are requesting. My job.

A

H

To represent the citizens, amen.

A

Go ahead, councilman.

H

People are asking me about our attorney, mr shank, and getting the final billing for him. I think we have uh the uh the things that we need to get our finances straight and we need to get a bill from mr shank and then um the coveted is back on the rise in dearborn heights, we're second in the uh in in in the area.

H

Here we also had a death and right now we're in this meeting, and we are not adhering to our own resolution that we shouldn't meet until august 31st and now the the building here is going this room's going to be tore apart.

H

So we should make provisions immediately about getting some other place or zoom meetings and one last thing there was requested by city council people about meetings to be held and for some reason that I've never heard of before that you needed a letter from with respect to you, council, chair that we needed a letter signed by us to request a special meeting. We request a special meeting. I believe the council chair gets paid extra to set up these meetings. This is what the extra pays for.

H

We request something from you and you should do it, and I've been trying to get a hold of mr or trying to figure out. Why we're not having a meeting uh pertaining to mr miyaki's opinion letter that we wanted to make public and I'd like to have that meeting and find out why we can't get it public? I don't know if that's going to be in a closed session meeting or not, but we need to have it. So if I could ask.

A

The clerk is going by the charter in regards to the request. Is that correct.

C

It does a written request, it does.

H

By the charter has got to be a written request, right, of course,.

C

That is, according to the charter.

H

And when it was sent by email by a councilman, he sent the email, and why was that approved that.

C

Was one email it needs to be three emails.

L

C

By three people it wasn't signed by anybody. It was requested by you.

L

I had three people, yes, but we.

A

C

Our names were put on it. There was.

A

No physical signature.

C

Is what she's trying to say.

H

It's never been requested, so then we can put our physical signatures on an email and could it be done electronically.

C

I don't know about that. Our.

A

Charter's so old, it doesn't allow for that.

C

I know that and we've always had. We have always had a written request.

A

H

We have okay, so uh if I can ask the corporation council miyaki about, I.

C

Don't know about electronics.

H

Having a special meeting on this uh uh letter.

Q

That means, if I make the mayor on council chair, if I may, uh the mayor requested that I make it into a form where there would not be a problem in terms of attorney-client privilege. I will do so. I will issue it then uh I will do so in the next two days and then uh determination can be made by the decision makers, whether or not they feel the need to end up having a special meeting or study session.

Q

With regard to what I state in in that letter, which will be very similar to what I stated in the one which was attorney clinton. I'd appreciate that sir okay.

H

Thank you, and uh you know I tell urge people if you've got trash out in front of your house from the flood. Please call us, we can't go street to street. At least I can't drive the entire street and write it down. I've done that today I spent a couple hours doing that I reported houses and if you have trash out in front of your house with the flood, please call the city, so they can get you on the list to pick it up. Thank you.

A

Okay, corporate council- I'd like to point you to section 5.13 for your functions and duties. It says you shall act as legal advisor to the mayor and the council members in matters relating to their official duties and shall give legal opinions concerning affairs of the city to the council and the mayor which opinions she'll be in writing and a copy thereof shall be filed with the city clerk. It says nothing in regards to meetings.

A

That's not part of your job. According to this.

Q

My my job is: I'm I'm not sure what what you're saying council chair. Are you saying I'm not supposed to show up at meetings? Oh no! No.

A

No, it said your legal opinion still be in writing and a copy thereof shall be filed with the city clerk. It says nothing about having a meeting for your legal opinions.

A

We've always filed them with the clerk, and I would like an opinion letter from you why you feel it's necessary to go beyond those parameters that you've followed for the last, how many years you've been on council I mean corporation.

Q

Council, I've attended many sessions, open meetings, closed meetings uh based on the direction of the council. The council chair the mayor over the years, I'm kind of perplexed. Maybe we need to speak about this yeah.

A

We can talk about tomorrow if you want yes,.

Q

A

Q

Understand what exactly what what your point is: I'm sorry, okay, thanks all right.

I

A

I have councilman bayden go ahead. Please.

I

You know what I'll give some of my time to to the all.

B

Are you trying to? Basically I try to make sure that's what you're trying to say as a counselor, he can't call a meeting to order. Is that correct.

A

No, no, no, his opinion, opinions shall be in writing and a copy thereof just will shall be filed with the city clerk. It doesn't require a meeting for the opinions that he's.

C

A

Right, oh, I see what you said. So it's right here.

A

Okay, we have councilman bay doom. Please thank.

I

You so much, madam chair I'll, be very very brief. I know we're coming around to about 9 30 here uh I just like to give kudos during this time. So thank you to our to my colleagues for being here. Thank you to the administration, thank you to our police and fire chief. I know my mother just received a ticket for not having her seatbelt on.

I

You know. I got the phone call in arabic. It wasn't pleasant and I said well you're wearing your seatbelt and she said: I'm I'm telling you I got a ticket, I said great did, did you were you wearing your suit, but she said no, I said then you're getting the ticket, I'm not going to call and say why'd you give my mom a ticket.

I

So thank you to the police department for doing that. My mom should have been wearing her seat.

R

I

Also, just I know you know I came in you know, I came in here very very upset about the flood. This is the third time I know uh our hr director, it's her third time where our basement is flooded, I'm very emotional about it. I'm sorry. If I came off a little bit of you know aggressive on gfl, my next-door neighbors has the same last name as councilman abdullah. His name is ali abdullah, aka bulldog, his garbage hasn't been picked up in two weeks.

I

I I believe I've reached out to our lead for the last two weeks and they call him bulldog for a reason and he's not being very nice to me, um and so I was you know, I'm sorry if I came off a little aggressive or a little emotional, but it's not just my neighbor. It's you know, majority of the residents where their chest hasn't picked up so kudos to the administration for putting that on. I'm so happy that you guys did that.

I

I had no idea when I seen it on sunday, as I went through the packet honest to god was the biggest smile on my face, because when I get these phone calls- and somebody says what are you guys doing- I can say we're now putting something forward- pino at least scare gfl, um and with that thank you to our council, chair, you're, doing a great job with these meetings, even though councilman musket isn't so happy about the 33 minutes and uh as far as the last thing never happened before. Well,.

A

No, we have in the past.

I

My three minutes are almost up, so thank you. uh The last thing I have is just that regarding to the amity foundation, it is a non-profit, that's very giving to this community uh as the councilman abdullah, and I were talking, I believe monday. He called me monday called me back on tuesday regarding this, and he said uh you know just just stay on high alert. Be okay, probably gonna receive a lot of phone calls. Luckily I didn't, but uh I also want it to be fair.

I

uh I believe that they will bring really really good things to this community and it's not just about battling women. It's it's it's more of just that they offer. You know a lot of things. I really hope that they don't come. You know if the bid is republished, we'll accept them and allow them. Thank you so much. I yield the rest of my time. Thank you to the police department for the ticket. For my mother, god bless you. Thank you.

A

I have councilman advil hawk next.

L

Is in his hand,.

Q

A

I did you want me to put on the list.

Q

Yes, please thank you. Councilman.

A

L

Thank you, madam chair.

L

I just want to address our residents. Lots of calls comes to us as city council or as officials or employees.

L

I need them to know that we will do anything possible in our capability in our power to respond to their request, but we have very limited power to do things for them. What we do normally we take the request. We pass it to the proper department, whether the police or the fire or the public work, and we follow up on it, always as we all do, and sometimes they are not satisfied with the response, but they need to know.

L

This is how much we can do, and this is you know, what's in our hand, so I hope they understand that's what we do as council people and that's the only thing allowed for us, and I want to thank the chief of police very, very much for your email. It was very educational and very informative and you put us on the right track. Actually.

V

I could write a ticket too for you. Thank you.

L

Actually, you didn't write a ticket for my brother because he left his car.

L

No, he got stuck in the water and the next day they gave him ticket for abandoned car, but I think he paid it, and I want to thank director ali d very, very much for what you did for the sinkholes.

L

My backyard was dug and my neighbor was, you know, dug 15 feet down by probably 15 feet wide and the dna dnl, I think the company they done marvelous job. I think they are a keeper. They were very polite, very professional, and they done the job.

L

You know with the least amount of damage to the flowers and damage to the property. Now I would like to ask mr jamal: are we in compliance with what was suggested in 9 c or 90? Was there any compliance issue.

S

The answer is no. What the cooperation council tried to do is to help clarify some of the practices that we are doing. Okay, I I was gonna publicly support what you're putting because it doesn't limit anything or doesn't add anything except clarification.

S

You know for uh for more explanation right now we do have the capability under the charter, for the mayor, to sign and to pay any payment uh up to what's the balance of each general ledger account being approved by you. Okay, now.

A

Corporate council miyaki is shaking his head. No so.

S

So I finished, then corporate miyatki will will talk after I am done. Thank you. We're going to.

H

Do this in a study.

S

Session right, so I'm I'm answering mr abel hack, you know councilman, so please it's it's a floor for me. Please, you know under the the robot rules. You don't interrupt me when I'm talking so uh the question uh councilman abdulhak.

S

Yes, we are so the mayor is not restricted from approving anything between the two council meetings up to each balance in the general ledger. Okay, thank you. There's number two number two that the 1500 threshold that we are using now it is not in the charter and it's not acceptable, and we are not going to continue to do that. I already advised my opinion that we will bring to the city council every penny the city spent for public security.

S

Okay, the council can choose which way it should be, or you like to be exposed to the public for transparency. It can be under total. It can be under receive note and file. It can be as whatever the the the key here is not how to expose the expenditures to the public. It's public money is whether yes or no, the question. The answer is, we have to.

S

You, are under your oath, the overseeing of the public money, and you trusted to do that. Now we put it for you, it's up to you, you want to look at it. You don't want to look at it. The public is supposed that's what that's the bottom line. Okay,.

L

Thank you director. Thank you. My last question is to the mayor. Do we have any preliminary audit report from the forensic audit which is done.

J

There there there is some stuff that I've seen we have to uh get the full report before we present it. To the I mean to everybody, the administration council and the residents.

L

Is there anything you can share with us in a closed session or.

J

No, we can do an open session. I mean we voted on an open session, so we can bring it to all the residents.

L

I like really to know so far. We spent some good amount of money, and I believe my colleagues share this with me that we like to know what what we found.

U

L

A

Thank you any more comments from the com council table. Councilman.

F

Constant, thank you uh good job again to the administration and uh all our city services regarding the response to the flooding, keeping the residents informed and and getting extra help getting the trash picked up. There was some discussion about. You know the the solution to the flooding and there's there's you know. Probably mines differ on what the solution is. I do know that city filed the chapter eight petition when uh kirk heisey was the uh county drain.

F

Commissioner, a study was done at a at a great expense and the um building of the retention basin, amongst other things, uh was, was thought by mines higher than than mine anyway, as a as a good solution, especially for the ecorse creek flooding.

F

But I guess the debate is still open this. These last couple rains were hit everybody uh uh bad, especially the north end of dearborn heights, and especially, I know dearborn.

F

The newly appointed mayor mayor bozzi had talked about forming an ethics commission and I think, that's you know talking about the uh ceiling on what the the american right expenses for and that type of thing um I think that's something that needs to be looked at and looked into and I'd be willing to help work on that. Okay, thank you.

A

Thank you any more comments from the council table where we go to public announcements from the community.

Y

Sorry go ahead, I'll, be quick. I promise um just to let everybody know uh there was questions earlier about the revenue for the golf course. I have talked to eric about that already and um he is working on something um I guess in his contract. There's a clause saying that he doesn't have to give you all of the expenses and things like that, but he is working on a revenue.

Y

So you have some idea what the golf course is bringing in, however, with all of the rain um he's had to close down a lot in regards to the leagues and stuff and and then there's been coveted this year. So obviously this year has been hit hard. So tomorrow we have our big first concert in the park: 50 amp fuse yes, so exciting, and the band is playing from 6 to 9 p.m.

Y

We have kids activities games, my staff is going to run starting at 5 30 at 6, 30 we're going to be having the fire department come and they are going to do some interactive things with the kids they're going to have coloring books, crayons and also squirt the kids, because I hear it's going to be pretty warm, so that'll be fun for the uh kids. We will also have a face painter, a magician and a balloon artist.

Y

The face painter and the balloon artist will be strolling around the audience. While the parents are listening to the music and then we have food trucks, so we'll have lots of food there uh for purchase as well. So we started setting that up today. So that's exciting um friday august 6 I'll mention this one. We have the lighted drone show and.

K

Y

Beatles tribute band top topper most and that starts at 6 30 and goes until approximately 10, and then we have the drone show starting at about 9 40 and we are the only community community. That's had the drone show out of detroit. So it's going to be exciting and a lot of fun to watch. So we do have flyers in the hall a garage sale coming up on august 14th. So we are definitely looking for more vendors for that uh from nine to four and uh another concert in apartment park on august 26th, good job.

E

Y

I'm like freezing, I don't know about you guys.

J

You got to say something: I'm.

S

All right good evening, madame chair, the corporation council, has been raising then I'm behind him. Oh.

A

No, he has to say, madam chair, because.

J

I don't he did you so you mentioned.

A

Q

Waiting because you were on the on the list, I thought you wrote me down or something, but uh I'm sorry if, if.

C

Q

The clerk certainly.

C

I'll make it real, quick, okay, just a reminder that there is a local primary election. A week from today um august 3rd polls will be open from 7am to 8pm. um The clerk's office will be open this saturday from 8 to 4 for election business. Oh only, and we will be the only one that'll be open, the rest of the city hall will not be open. um If anyone wants any information, uh you can go to the league of women voters at um um just.

C

Thank you or michigan.gov slash vote. I was trying to remember- or you can go to our study website because there's a sample ballot located on there as well or you can give us a call um eight to five.

I

Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank.

A

You, okay corporate council, yes,.

Q

I'm sorry um just a couple of things. One of them is, I disagree with mr jamal, but we'll talk about that at the study session. uh With respect to the study session, I would request that you also put on the cap program because, right now, I'm not certain councilman wenzel ended up saying that he had a different reason for voting. No, I think we need to have more discussion, so the administration knows what the direction is that we're supposed to be taking, because it sounded like three of you were in favor of this particular non-profit.

Q

Three of you wanted to go ahead with the way we had it and councilman wenzel, I'm not sure exactly what his thinking was. The other thing.

Q

I would note, however, before we end up doing that is you know, part of the reason we go through the rfp process, and I know this was done on bidnet and so on, and so forth is so that we don't have any sort of allegations of favoritism, and this is not not meant to be disrespectful to any of you, but we are talking about one specific nonprofit that three of you had spoken to and what about all the other potential nonprofits out there? That did not have the same opportunity.

Q

um We might need to revisit this whole process if we're looking at it in that way, and I would I would respectfully request that the study session cover this item as well, so that we can uh flesh out those issues. Thank you.

Z

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J

Yeah, so also I want to clarify so mr miyaki did submit the letter that you guys are asking about and that's what we've been talking about, and I followed every protocol that council chair asked for for first a closed session meeting, not to embarrass anybody, but that was denied. I was told to submit a an email.

J

I did that they said nope, you gotta submit a letter. I typed a letter. I submitted that, and that was a no. So we did follow all the protocols and again I just wanted to make sure that the council members are aware. I just I want to make sure that we did. I mean it is per charter. I followed the charter.

J

Mr miyake filed the charter, we did request for a meeting several times and it was the night, even though it's for the charter, that the mayor can request a special meeting or a closed session, and both of them were not followed and again, I'm not going to talk about what's in the letter because um it's still attorney-client privileged, so he removes that portion of it. So I guess I'll move away from that. For now till it's not attorney-client privilege, I want to update the residents well. First, I want to thank our emergency manager.

J

Lee gavin for his outstanding work, he's been working like I said, over the weekends you know with fema.

J

So, just to let you know, the fema did decide to make dearborn heights one of the flood disaster recovery center. We do have one at the eaton center, so it's one of very few communities that was chosen to do the flood recov disaster recovery center. We have the sba there, so what I want to do is I want to reiterate that all residents that had flood from the first flood right now in june that they still need to call fema.

J

So just because you turned in a flood survey sheet to the city of dearborn heights, you still have to do a claim with fema. So please call.

J

1-800-621-3362- and you can see that number you can call the city hall, we'll give you the number, if you don't have it it's also on our city website. The fema. The drc is all, is open, seven days a week, seven to seven, so we do have several centers in case dear one heist residents work in different cities, so there's one in garden, city and one in dear one.

J

The garden city is on a maplewood community center and the one in dearborn is a centennial library and obviously their one heist is that they eaten so make sure you go in there.

J

You do the registration after you file, make sure you keep the number, because you are going to get a call or maybe a visit from fema, so they they're going to come in and they're going to ask you for the registration and one of the things that I know mr gavin and I we did discuss with fema extensively on sunday that they do have interpreters over there. So, if you don't speak, I mean any language. They can actually pretty much cover any language within a city.

J

So if you get there, they don't like to have minors translate and the reason why is because I mean we experienced that today, one of the the kids actually translated iran to the fema and their claim was denied. So that's why they wanted the actual interpreters that they have set up through this hotline. That does the translation so for all the residents make sure you file directly with them and in case uh okay, so the the person will come in the adjuster.

J

They will ask you for photo id and they'll. Ask you also. They want to see the ownership and, if you're, if you're occupied, if you're a renter or you actually the homeowner resident occupant, so make sure if they do deny you don't throw that letter away. There's a process that you have to appeal.

J

So I've seen some few denials from the flood so make sure you go and you look at the process how to appeal- and they do actually encourage you at fema to appeal it and they do have the drc center to make sure you go in there ask for assistance and they'll help help you through the process. Thank you.

A

Thank you any more public.

W

Announcements, hello, good evening, everyone um I want to do a friendly reminder that the summer 2021 taxes were mailed on july 1st and you should have already received your tax bill in the mail. However, if you have not received your tax bill, please call the treasurer's office at.

W

313-791-3410, we'll make sure you get a replacement bill. I want to remind you that the tax bills are due by august 16th, that's monday august 16th 5 pm in our office. To avoid the late fees. There are several payment options available to our residents, including the online payment option. You can drop in person here at city hall. We are open monday through thursday, 8 a.m, to noon and 1 to 5 p.m. So, city hall is closed from 12 to 1 for cleaning you can use a drop box.

W

We have a drop dropbox out by the parking lot, as well as the night drop on the wall near the entrance. You can also drop payments off at dearborn federal savings bank. We have two locations, they have to be dearborn heights locations. The first one is 27115 west warren, which is one block east of inkster road. The second location is four one, one one south telegraph, so that's near and I still call it the old mcdonald's, old style, mcdonald's, that's right next door to that mcdonald's on self telegraph.

W

In addition, you can always mail your payments back with united states postal service mail. However, we do advise that you do that as soon as possible in case there's delays with mail service, which we cannot control and again I just want to thank everybody and- and one last note I make sure I do this- please do not drop cash in our drop boxes. Thank you.

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AA

Good evening, I just wanted to announce that the rescheduled job fair is going to be saturday august, 7th from 10 a.m to noon at the carolyn kennedy library. So this was rescheduled due to flood number one, um but it will be held on saturday august 7th 10 a.m to 12 noon at the carolyn kennedy library. Thank you and I'll see you at the library. Thank you.

B

Wait director just I mean since it's a public forum, it might be best. Maybe if you don't mind if you stay with that job, fair, because I know it's for city.

AA

City type, employment is exactly what we had scheduled since 26th, so it's our city, employment. So in particular we have a great need for department of public works, police fire, um and then we are looking for part-time. We have um full-time in recreation as well and we have a full-time library position, so there's quite a few and we are doing part-time election workers yep. So welcome. Thank you not for the primary but for the general yeah. Are you.

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C

Them anything for your ordinance, yeah, damn.

S

AB

A speaker here, sorry, I know I'm on the hidden side um good good evening. I just wanted to bring to the attention of the council members that we had attempted to bring the credit card issues back to the table. On multiple occasions. The treasurer has requested two study sessions for the credit cards. It was denied. It was on the agenda for tonight it was denied.

AB

So at this point point I want to yield my time to our compliance director to explain why this is so important to discuss and have the city vote on it, as well as corporate council miyaki as to how we can bring that back back to the table and have the council actually discuss these issues and ask any questions they may have.

S

Okay, again good evening, from the compliance point of view, the transition from petty cash and pen some box to electronic petty cash using the credit card system is actually the common standard practice of municipalities. Now the limit is up to you. It can be 500 300, 2 000..

S

We are attempting to put together an internal control system for the city right now we don't have a comprehensive internal control and that's one of the requirement. We promised the state treasury department to do and we are under almost done.

S

You know that policy is a book and the chapters are certain processes like how we handle cash, how we, how we handle uh the accounting for the clair for the cash, so this is a part of an internal, comprehensive internal control policy that we are required to address, develop and implement, and report back to the city, the state treasury department.

S

I encourage you to to talk about it, discuss it come up with whatever you like to do. You are the legislators. We put an issue for you. Please advise us, you make the policy we operate and we follow your policies.

S

Thank you. Council. Chair.

B

Councilman, so so, in all fairness director, I want to make sure uh putting it or not. Putting on agenda was not obviously my doing, but just to be fair, you said it should be discussed. It was discussed. It was voted on in in to the best of my recollection, was voted down 7-0. So to be fair to the council chair, it was discussed.

S

I didn't address this issue, I didn't say anything.

B

About the constitution, I'm not stating it that way. What I'm stating is you were. It was said it was not on the agenda and I didn't say.

S

B

The chief of staff- but I do understand we understand part of the charter, her discretion, but I'm just saying in defense just to be fair, it was discussed and it was turned down 7-0, so it was brought to the agenda previously now why she did or didn't put it. I can't comment on it, but I'm just saying publicly that it was voted on 7-0.

S

Oh, I understand I'm encouraging you to continue to continue discuss this at your pleasure, but we need we need a direction how to deal with the with the boxes. Right now that, from the compliance point of view and from the internal control point of view, I am having some issues and processing that, in compliance with the charter with the treasury department and and I'm just bringing this from the compliance financial compliance point of view, I encourage you.

S

I didn't say you didn't you do whatever at your at your pleasure whenever you need that you, whenever I'm encouraging you that I need that to be included in the internal control, comprehensive policy that I, with the financial team, the exec, the mail executive, financial team. We have to report back to the state. That's all.

A

Okay, thank you. Councilman abdulhaq,.

AB

Sorry, if I may, I just wanted to say the situation changed when you approved one of our directors to have a credit card and part of the agenda items was a policy about how she has to use that credit card that wasn't in the agenda items for today.

AB

That's why I'm asking to bring it back right.

S

And then control one.

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A

um We have councilman abduhak and then I'll have you next. Okay, I'd like to hear from them.

L

Before I say, yeah.

Q

The only thing I was going to say is a slight correction to what uh the council chair pro tem said: it's not in the discretion necessarily of the council chair to set the agenda. The council chair sets the agenda. The council approves the agenda. If the council wants to add to the agenda, the council has the authority to end up doing so.

Q

The council chair is there to facilitate the meeting and, if you, as a body, wish something to be discussed based on a request from council members or from the administration, you as a body can make that decision, regardless of the council chair's decision. Thank you.

A

Okay, I did reach out to a few council members and they felt it was not necessary to bring it back on since it had already been discussed and turned down unless something drastic had changed and we should have went to a study session just to have it presented to us what it makes it different. The second time you bring it back to us because it you see our meetings go a long time, so that could have been another half an hour. Discussion of we already voted on this.

A

Why do we have this back in front of us.

H

Council chair, then, that's a violation of the open meetings act. If you discuss that with a few council members and not all of us yep, I mean I'm.

A

Sorry there was.

H

No quorum present yeah, but it wasn't discussed with me and I have a different opinion. I may have a different opinion on it, so I'm not I'm not saying that okay either or but if you're going to say that you contacted a few council people, then you should have contacted all of us not just.

A

A few well, I didn't want to be in violation of the open meetings.

H

But you do it one at a time like you did so I I mean, but just taking two people or three people counseling.

A

I know you've, I know you've done the same exact thing, correct and not contacted me. So at this time, let's not er, I don't I'm not setting the agenda.

L

You are chair just to put an end to this issue. If you have a new criteria: a new debt, a new reason, valid reason to bring it back. Please do in the future, but we voted seven to zero, but as a courtesy, probably.

W

It's not correct.

E

W

It's just not correct what you're saying is not correct. It was a five to two vote right. Five.

L

W

No seven or zero: no, I have the.

L

Motion right here, whatever was the the vote. You know sorry for giving the wrong number, but let me say if there is something in you which could convince us. You know to change our mind, please bring it in the future and, let's put it to rest, excuse.

G

Me there's a lot of new things, but I don't want to necessarily burden you with all of them. Now I mean if, as long as you say, hey you know, we can talk about this.

L

Send them by email.

G

I've done a lot of work on it. Okay, that's fine too! Thank you.

A

Thanks: okay, at this time, is there any other public comment go ahead. Please.

Z

Mine's more of an announcement, it's going to be short because it's cold, the seats are hard and I'm missing the olympics. Okay, the the thing I wanted to talk about is we did have our south dubai civic association last thursday, and thanks to our great fire department, we had our fire marshal there. We had our fire inspector there and we had a dog named blue beth, blue bell and blue bell stole the show, but we did have them demonstrate how to put out a fire the proper way, and it was so well attended.

Z

That was hard to get the people out of line to do the fire stuff, so that lisa could do her talk on taxes, but it was a great success and our meetings are always the fourth thursday of the month, seven to nine at three three three five south beach daily in durban heights and I'd like to invite anyone who wants to come or suggest speakers.

Z

I have september almost scheduled and I will announce in our next meeting, who will be there for august. Thank you.

Q

Thank you you're happy. If you wanted, if you don't have it.

A

Okay, is there any other public comment at this time? Madam chair councilman, I moved.

I

Here during the meeting: no, no, no, it's not public comment.

D

Now we got to have opened up this.

A

House no, it is open up the public comments because that she was the last one for.

H

It's still public comments, correct, yes,.

A

Just public comments yeah, it is, I said, public comments. Is there.

H

Waiting for the citizen stuff- you can be here- oh.

P

Do you live in dublin.

G

Can I counsel chair.

T

Yes, go ahead, please hi, my name is ash othman. um I live at 27230, rochelle street and there's been a few complaints that I have my first one's going to be with gfl. I've had an issue before covet hit.

T

I understand they have something electronically, where they're picking up they're, dropping our garbage cans and leaving the garbage there and nobody's coming to pick it up. I have to go outside and pick it up myself. I've had several times where, if they've not picked up my trash, um what am I supposed to do? I do have a five-year-old. I have a husband.

T

We have trash that accumulates, we're just restocking, we're getting maggots we're getting bugs, and it's not the first time this has happened before culvert, not to mention the issue I had with the flood, and my house was the only house on my street that got hit I've reached out to tomlin, so I reached out to bill bazin. I appreciate them trying to get out to gfl. Gfl finally came out. I want to say maybe, last week after my grass was covered in maggots.

A

Yeah, that's not okay, sorry to hear.

T

That it's not okay and I get it it's up to you guys who we get as trash, but I definitely know a lot of residents, including myself, and I know you guys are all residents of dearborn heights. We want gfl out of here, I'm sorry, I will pay more tax money to have. Somebody else come and do my trash than gfl because they are rude.

T

I mean I have had a few that are polite, but when you're parked blocking our street for no reason sitting in your guys trucks, how do you want to get into my house and I'm not the only one, there's a ton of people on my street in my neighborhood that have these issues with gfl and when you guys are when they're knocking over those trashes, then guess what they should get out and clean it up.

T

There's no reason that they should sit there until one of us comes home from work or school and then have to clean it up, that's not appropriate. I don't think that's right. We pay a lot of tax money.

T

Second thing is the flood my home flooded in 2014. My home, then flooded in 2017. every time, there's a sewer backup. My house is the only house on the street that gets hit, which is rochelle. This is the first time when we got hit in june, which I know a lot of everybody got hit. I apologize that everybody got hit. We lost our rights to have stored back up because the city wouldn't take ownership the prior two times this happened. The city said no, there's nothing we're going to do.

T

We won't write a letter to your insurance. Our insurance then denied us to have sewer backup insurance due to this issue. um I definitely want to thank tom bill lee and I actually spoke with the fire department that day, because we thought our house was going to blow up because of how bad the flood got um with our furnace and the gas smell. My issue is: what are you guys gonna do for the sewers? How are you guys going to do this?

T

Because it's not, if I'm the only house on my street, getting hit, there's something going on and there's a bigger problem. Then I've seen the sewers get cleaned. I will give that but there's an issue that needs to get fixed and we're paying high tax dollars.

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A

Thank you. Thank you.

S

Our our pe engineer have a response to that.

M

So um just when you indicated that you're, the only house on the street that got flooded um normally, if that's the case, then you can be almost 100 sure to look at your lead line from the house to the state to the city service, and that's normally the case. If no one else is flooded. That means the city's pipe is not at capacity.

M

That means you're not able to to convey the water or the sewers from your house to the city pipe and that I highly encourage you to get someone like roto-rooter to take that, because I can't use public money on the private tab, so you'll have to clean your.

AC

They said it's the sewer, our.

AC

We get everything that's damaged. My entire basement was damaged, which 1200 can I do for my.

M

But if this okay.

AC

I appreciate you guys helping, but I'm just saying, like it's not fair right.

T

I'm gonna pay for it when they're telling me it's the store.

AC

H

Counselor, sir okay.

G

Okay, go ahead.

H

Councilman ray muscat just to let you know, I'm your neighbor right around the block from you and her sewers are the same ones that we have and because they're right through our backyards and uh people on havelock flooded with those same sewers. So it's just not her house. It's a whole area there that flooded. Okay. What about.

AC

Rochelle nobody else.

H

AC

You're going straight down, nobody else got flooded well,.

H

I'm just saying on on havelock people got flood, so you guys are on the same pipe as we are you're right around the block for me what street you go on yeah you're right around the block from me. I mean literally around the block okay, so our backyards meet up down the road, okay. So uh but the other thing I know my time was up here, but I promised someone that I would bring something up. uh This is not directed at any one candidate, but please make sure that your signs are in the proper place.

H

People are calling me complaining that signs are put on city property along ford, road and in residential areas. I promised this person. I would bring it up, so I came up here to speak about this right now. So if you have signs, uh please let the people know I've been moving some signs and putting them where they belong, but then people get mad at me and I decided I better stop that and uh so general audience. Please do not put signs on city owned property. They must be on your own property.

H

So that's I forgot to say that up there, so I came here. Thank you.

H

Well, can someone discuss what the city property is? Well, the city property is anything, that's you know from the sidewalk to the street, okay and that's even on on. uh You have uh businesses also and and one other quick question. uh I know we have a tree ordinance. Somebody cut a tree down with a permit and they said that they would plant a new tree.

H

The person wants to know how long they have before they plant the tree and they can and can they plant it on their own property. So if someone can answer that question that would be.

I

Great right next thing: okay,.

V

Thank you ray. My name is steve dubkowski I live in durban and I want to share a couple of pieces of information. The problem you're having with garbage and rubbish pickup with your contractor, has been going on in dearborn.

V

It started even before covet.

V

Instead of picking up rubbish on a thursday, they were picking it up as late on a saturday this past week, instead of picking up yard waste and rubbish on thursday, they picked it up on monday, so you're, not alone city of derber. One of the things they did is they hired large dump trucks, these gravel haulers and they came in with really large front end loaders and with a crew of people to throw everything into the loaders to put it on the dump trucks.

V

They were not using trash trash trucks to pick up all this carpeting and furniture and paneling and so forth.

V

So the problem you're having with a contractor, is probably a year and a half ago there was a shortage of workers now there's a shortage of workers for a different reason. So I don't know what the solution is. Second thing I wanted to mention to you were talking about warren valley.

V

You have right here a resource in part of the community at henry ford college. I went back to college a few years ago in the culinary program and technically I'm still a student. I never took my computer class in so I can't graduate- and I first went there 60 years ago, so they have a very, very fine, culinary program.

V

It's considered one of the top 10 in the country believe it or not, and it was rated that way a few years ago nationally, they have 80 to 90 students every semester.

V

They offer a four-year degree program in hotel and restaurant management, as well as culinary cooking training and they're accredited.

V

I think the city, if they're concerned about the banquet facilities that they at the um golf course might want to contact henry ford college and see if you can partner with them and they can use that training your facility as part of their training for banquet service.

V

So I'm sure that knowing the chefs there and an aggressive new president at the college, it's something I would look into you. Don't need people who are home cooks trying to serve three 400 people at a dinner. You need professional people doing it, because cooking for a large number of people is much different than cooking at home.

V

Thanks for your time. Thank.

A

You thank you. Anyone else.

O

A

Okay, who's suffering.

O

I

We have somebody here.

O

Sorry, the forgotten one as usual. Sorry about that. I just wanted to come up here: real quick because uh I'll build issue and ordinance for spending patrol, I'm speaking as the director of ordnance enforcement animal control. I just wanted to come up here and thank councilman muscat, a lot of the council members stopped by and and bring issues to my attention. I just wanted to thank councilman muscat for bringing up our staffing shortage issue that we're experiencing right now.

O

um I wanted to thank hr director um elizabeth sabote perry for getting somebody hired full time like in like record time. Hr has been awesome. It was like it was. It was so quick with the help of the mayor as well. um I just wanted to touch on a few issues and I'll wrap it up here. uh The tree issue that councilman muscat brought up would be uh go through dpw the tree. They they deal directly with that.

O

Their expert 791 6000 is the number for dbw we've been working diligently, despite the fact we're short staffed I'd like to uh throw a quick shout out to my the members of my staff, everybody. uh The few that I have um they've been working very hard, they're out doing enforcements, focusing on grass and blight. That's one of the mayor's main focuses. It has been: we've been working diligently.

O

There are some issues with the core process, I think mostly because of kovitz still, but they're still getting stuff done in a timely manner. I did reach out uh corporation council miyaki on that a separate issue that muscat brought up that something separated I just want to. Let you know that we were working on that.

O

We also have our ordinance. Officers are out spotting flood debris. So if they see stuff they're reporting it we're forwarding all that information to the mayor's office to try to get stuff picked up. Please keep the campaign signs out of the between the curb and sidewalk. They do not belong there. Councilman muscat brought that up. I wanted to mention that as well.

O

If you have any questions, please feel free to give us a call three one: three, seven, nine one, three, four, nine seven ordinary uh you can send us an email ordnance at ci, dot, dearborn, hyphen heights, dot, mi.us that comes right off my tongue. I say it so frequently um and also on trash day. Obviously we're having a ton of issues right now with the flood debris trash pickup. Please keep your vehicles off the street.

O

I'm surprised that didn't really come up today, but um please remember that and again, if you have any questions or concerns, please reach out to us and with that I'll give the rest of my time. Thank you, council, chair.

A

Council, thank you. So do I hear a motion to.

I

I want more madam chair.

K

Gotta hold them all hi. This is ladder pigeon. I live in military hills on rosetta street. My concerns are not personal, based on the catastrophic situations that the city lives with. They may seem silly.

K

Five or six years ago, the city paved the military hills subdivision in two years, one a year apart. The problem is a jurisdictional problem on ford road. The major entrance into the subdivision is at rosetta street ford. Road is a state.

E

K

State road, it's maintained by the county, so the city has no jurisdiction. However, the approach was never paved, so this wonderful improvement of the pavement.

K

Nobody owns the approach, however, when the north end of the subdivision was paved, the contractor paved the approach which goes to warren, which I believe should be a county road, so guess what the city does we have now 50 to 75 patches and that 20 foot of approach that comes into the subdivision.

K

Nobody owns that. No, if somebody is patching it, it's not the city's business.

K

Believe me, the taxpayers that live in military hills me just knocking on doors in that neighborhood, and here the number of what they're paying for taxes is shocking.

K

Now, luckily, I've been there 50 years, so my taxes aren't as bad so mayor. What are we going to do about that track that you have to need a truck to go through for a lousy 20 feet instead of patching it? Why don't we remove it from the city? Give those people in military hills a break? They are paying a lot of taxes.

K

Thank you very much. I don't want to bring up any other subjects. This meeting has gone long enough. Thank you, sir. Thank you.

A

Okay, do I hear a motion to transmission to adjourn support reported by councilmember all those in favor say: aye aye. Those opposed meetings adjourn.