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From YouTube: Dearborn Heights Study Session: 7/6/21
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The Dearborn Heights Study Session regarding Act 78 taking place Tuesday, July 6th 2021.
A
Good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
tonight
we
have
a
study
session
for
acts
78,
that's
the
police
and
fire
civil
service
commission.
Who
is
our
guest
speaker
on
this?
B
So
my
name
is
crandall:
martin
crandall,
I'm
hello,
marty,
crandall
bob
constant
hi.
How
are
you
I
think?
I
knew
your
dad
many
many
years
ago.
Yes,
he's
a
lawyer
in
town
here,
and
he
and
me
yeah.
B
So
I
am
the
public
deck
78
president.
That
just
means
that
I've
been
around
the
block
a
longer
time
than
the
rest
of
them.
I
got
steve
labkovich
here
with
me.
B
Our
agenda
is,
as
you
probably
know,
from
reading
the
the
minutes
provided
by
elizabeth
who
is
our
hr
director
and
sits
with
us
at
all
of
the
meetings
and
kind
of
guides
us
through
the
process
because
of
her
myriad
years
of
experience.
B
So,
between
elizabeth
and
myself
and
steve
pop
and
steve
lobkovic,
we
do
the
hiring
and
examining
and
qualifying
of
our
new
police
and
fire
as
they're
needed
in
the
city.
As
elizabeth
advises
us
as
she
learns
from
the
chief
of
the
fire
department
and
the
chief
of
the
police
department,
and
we
worked
together
as
a
team
to
get
that
done
and
we've
been
doing
it.
At
least
on
my
part,
for
about
10
years
now
and
steve
lapkovic
has
been
with
us
for
what
four
or
five
years
now
steve.
B
The
job
couldn't
be
done
without
them,
because
without
them
we
couldn't
know
some
of
the
intricacies
that
are
brought
to
our
attention
at
the
police
and
fire
meetings,
but
example
is
not
too
many
months
ago
we
had
an
examination
for
pump
operators.
That
was
a
let's
say,
not
a
good
test
by
the
time
steve
lopkovic
tore
it
apart.
B
We
knew
it
wasn't
a
good
test
because
he
knew
all
of
the
answers
to
the
questions
and
taught
him
to
see
pop,
and
I
so
we
could
administer
the
next
test
with
a
little
bit
better
acumen
and
that
worked
out
well
and
over
the
course
of
the
last
year.
Statistically,
we
have
hired
several
new
police
officers
as
a
result
of
our
process.
B
We've
hired
several
new
firemen
as
a
result
of
our
process
and
we've
promoted
another
large
contingent
of
both
fire
and
police
throughout
the
city.
So
we
meet
every
monday
morning.
Excuse
me
the
first
monday
of
every
month
we
have
an
agenda
that
elizabeth
puts
together
for
us
with
the
assistance
of
the
chief
of
police
and
the
chief
of
the
fire.
B
D
B
There
is
testing
at
every
level.
The
test
is
merit-based,
it's
very
competitive,
whether
you're
applying
to
be
the
chief
or
a
captain
or
a
lieutenant
or
a
sergeant
or
a
police
officer,
or
a
first-line
fireman
working.
Your
way
up
the
ladder
you
go
through
the
process,
a
little
different
as
you
get
to
the
higher
levels.
B
For
example,
when
you
want
to
have
the
the
oral
board
for
a
captain
or
a
lieutenant
or
a
deputy
chief
or
the
chief,
you
go
through
a
little
bit
different
process
because
you
don't
want
it
internalized,
you
don't
want
us
at
public,
78
being
the
examiners,
so
elizabeth
with
all
of
her
skills
and
talents
and
connections
will
find
upper
level
upper
echelon,
police
and
fire
in
southeastern
michigan
or
beyond,
and
bring
them
to
the
meetings
to
qualify
for
to
do
the
oral
boards
for
the
higher
up
officers
seeking
those
positions
so
that
they're
competitive
every
competitive
at
every
level.
B
The
testing
is
is
very
detailed.
I
mean
we
use
examiners
that
write
these
tests,
that
you
know
go
through
books
that
they
advise
the
applicants
for
these
positions,
which
books
to
look
in.
But
when
you
got
three
months
worth
of
reading
to
do,
there's
a
lot
there,
and
so
it's
it's
a
very
arduous
process
from
beginning
to
end.
D
So
that's
your
question
right.
Well,
yes,
yes
and
no,
but
so
when,
for
instance,
someone
is
going
to
be
a
sergeant
wants
to
test
for
a
sergeant
or
lieutenant
once
all
the
testing
is
done
and
they
fi.
You
know
somebody
finishes
in
the
top
five
who
you
know,
obviously
the
command
officer
or
the
or
the
chief
then
decides
who
they're
going
to
promote
to
that
position.
Correct.
B
Evaluated
by
elizabeth
and
examiner
and
then
by
us-
and
so
you
got
probably
seven
people
looking
at
the
school,
maybe
more
and
then
you
find
out
everybody's
score
and
of
those
five
people.
You
got
to
get
about
70
to
qualify
for
the
oral
and
then
you
take
the
oral
boards
and
at
the
sergeant
level,
you're
gonna
have
outside
brought
in
from
wayne
wherever
and
they're
going
to
do
the
oral
boards
and
they
ask
the
questions.
E
B
D
So
it's
the
top
top
scorer
in
both
the
oral
and
the
written
exam
that
gets
the
job.
So
how
does
that
work
then?
For
the
chief
of
police
or
chief
of
the
fire
chief.
F
I'm
sorry
marty
I
just
want
to.
I
think
what
councilman
might
be
looking
at
is
more
along
the
lines
of
precisely
what
happens
with
an
entry
level
exam
or
entry
level
position,
the
appointing
our
officer
who
in
is
actually
the
mayor.
That's
one
thing
that
I
noticed
here.
Sorry,
elizabeth,
sorry,
commission,
the
the
mayor
is
actually
the
appointing
authority
or
the
appointing
officer
and
for
the
entry-level
position
he
has
to
choose
among
the
top
five
for
a
promotional
exam,
including
for
a
chief.
F
F
Is
that
kind
of
what
you
were
looking
at
councilman?
Yes,
yes,.
C
C
Thank
you.
So
the
commission
is
charged
with
establishing
an
eligibility
list
out
of
qualified
individuals,
whether
it's
for
new
hire
list.
They
get.
They
start
out
at
a
a
written
test.
They
have
to
pass
a
physical
agility
test.
They
have
to
go
through
a
psych
evaluation
and
several
other
steps
in
order
to
be
placed
on
a
list
in
order
of
scores.
C
G
C
Have
established
in
order
when
it
comes
to
promotional
exams,
an
individual
first
has
to
meet
whatever
qualifications
are
in
their
contract
and
the
qualifications
of
act
78
to
acquire
the
next
level.
So
if
you're
testing
safe
for
a
police,
lieutenant
there's
certain
baseline
that
they
have
to
qualify
for
before
they
can
apply
for
the
job,
then
there
that,
given
a
written
exam,
which
the
commission
reviews
the
exam
prior
to
it
being
given
for
accuracy
and
for.
C
I'm
gonna
stumble
over
their
word.
I
want
to
use
it.
It
applies
to
that
position.
Okay,
so
it's
something
that
we're
not
asking
about
how
to
pick
up
gardens,
we're
asking
them
how
to
you
get
a
police
supervisor.
Here
we
establish
that
we
get
an
accurate
test.
What
we
feel
is
an
accurate
test.
It's
administered
they
have
to
pass
by
at
least
70
percent
in
order
to
be
invited
to
an
oral
board
or
a
board
consists
of
three
individuals
chosen
by
the
commission
as
well
as
with
elizabeth.
C
She
does
a
lot
of
our
work
for
us
just
like
she
does
a
lot
of
your
work
for
you
and
getting
us
individuals
that
are
qualified
to
sit
on
an
oral
board.
Every
individual.
That's
asking
questions
at
an
oral
interview
is
at
least
one
rank
above
the
person
who's
trying
to
be
promoted.
C
They
have
to
pass
that
with
the
70
percent
50
of
the
written
score.
So
if
I
have
a
let's
say
I
just
barely
passed
with
a
70,
I
have
a
35
and
my
oral
board
was
70.
I'm
not
very
good
35,
add
those
two
together
and
then
add
in
their
seniority
points
and
after
that
we've
established
now
the
order,
the
score
order
for
every
promotion
that
we
administered.
C
Kind
of
does
away
with
that,
the
exact
opposite
of
nepotism,
it's
the
exact
opposite
of
favoritism
or
good
buddhism.
Whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
it's
the
exact
opposite.
That's
that
ensures
us.
What,
in
in
this
commission,
by
the
way,
has
been
accepted
by
all
three
unions
that
we
serve
as
being
the
steps
that
they
want
in
order
to
promote
within
their
ranks
in
order
to
provoke
within
this
department.
C
Now
the
only
thing
that
would
be
a
little
bit
different
when
you
get
to
the
chiefs
level
instead
of
the
three-man
oral
board,
they
sit
in
the
assessment
center
after
they've
taken
their
rhythm.
They
go
to
an
assessment
center
where
they
get
grilled
for
probably
four
to
eight
hours.
I
I've
never
sat
in
one,
but
I
know
it's
lengthy
and
very
intense,
and
then
we
we
establish
an
order
by
score,
add
in
security
points
and
you
get
the
top
dog.
And
yes,
then,
the
mayor
gets
the
esteemed
privilege
to
promote
that
individual.
E
Thank
you
goodbye.
You
want
to
ask
me
something
good
yeah,
so
I
had
a
couple
different
questions,
one
of
the
critics
and
I
think
overall
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
very
good
program
for
our
city
to
have,
but
one
of
the
criticisms
of
this
particular
act
has
been
that
you
cannot
hire
from
the
outside,
specifically
at
the
top
level,
so
in
other
words,
obviously
we're
blessed
to
have
two
great
chiefs.
E
But,
let's
just
say
somebody
out
there
20
years
from
now,
so
we're
not
going
to
say
for
you
guys,
20
years
from
now,
100
somebody
from
out
there,
that's
really
really
good
at
what
they
do.
Based
on
this
particular
act,
you
could
not
hire
them
as
a
city.
Is
that
correct?
I.
C
F
F
So
the
collective
bargaining
agreement,
regardless
of
what
acts
78
says,
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
would
basically
say
what
would
end
up
happening
in
general
in
terms
of
your
ability
to
go
outside.
If
there
was
a
collective
bargaining
agreement
change,
you
could
potentially
go
outside
whether
or
not
act
78
provides
for
it
and
if
act,
78
wasn't
around,
you
still
would
end
up
having
to
have
the
unions
agree
to
it
in
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
because,
essentially
pera
prevails.
F
You
have
to
go
with
the
collective
bargaining
agreement,
so
you
have
two
different
issues
and
still
pera
is
the
pre.
You
know
the
premier
act,
the
primary
act
that
dictates
how
we
handle
labor
relations
in
the
state
of
michigan.
So
even
if
you
say
geez,
we
don't
like
act
78.
F
If
you
were
going
to
change
that,
you
would
have
to
change,
collect
a
bargaining
agreement.
However,
you
go
about
trying
to
do
it.
For
example,
under
act
78,
you
have
a
process
having
to
do
with
disciplinary
procedures,
the
unions
and
the
collective
bargaining
agreements,
and
this
is
typical
throughout
southeast
michigan,
where
there
is
act,
78
instead
usually
rely
on
grievance
arbitration
to
deal
with
all
disciplinary
matters,
except
very
rarely
have
I
ever
gotten
pulled
in
before
acts
78
about
anything
disciplinary.
F
E
H
E
So
not
all
cities
have
act.
78,
okay,
I
mean
a
lot
of
them.
Don't
obviously
and
there's
there's
of
course,
some
that
do
and
I
see
definitely
the
advantages
of
taking
somebody
from
within.
So
I
could
see
like,
for
example,
in
my
business,
I
would
want
somebody.
That's
gonna,
be
our
leader
that
maybe
started
at
the
bottom
in
my
business
and
they've
worked
their
way
up
and
they're
very
familiar
with
the
a
disease
of
the
particular
company
same
thing
here,
obviously
in
the
fire
and
the
police
department.
E
C
C
When
our
city
was
formed,
our
forefathers
chose.
This
is
the
way
we
want
to
do
it,
and
it's
worked.
I
don't
know
of
any
policeman
or
fireman.
I
was
here
28
years
working
and
still
continuing
with
this
that
had
a
problem
with
the
way
that
the
civil
service
commission
handled
their
employment.
I
would.
E
Have
to
agree
that
overall,
it
has
worked
because,
obviously,
as
far
as
fire
is
concerned,
we
have
no
major
problems,
we're
blessed.
As
far
as
police
is
concerned,
I
can
tell
you
consistently,
obviously
we're
ranked
as
memphis
with
top
ten.
As
far
as
the
least
amount
of
crime
is
concerned,
so
obviously
something's
working.
C
C
You
got
you
have
the
opportunity
to
always
put
someone
who
came
through
your
whole
system
at
the
top
of
your
department.
Doesn't
make
much
sense
to
me
I'm
having
a
hard
time.
Understanding
I
mean
I
get.
You
know,
have
a
study
session
and
learning
about
how
the
commission
operates.
All
that
stuff.
I
think
that's
fantastic.
C
I
I
had
a
little
trouble
with
the
motivation
of
why
we're
looking
into
one
of
the
divisions
within
the
city
that
actually
functions
very
well
and
has
for
me
for
a
long
time.
Council
chair.
F
Yeah,
just
I'm
sorry
steve,
just
one
correction:
you
don't
have
to
have
the
civil
service
actually,
if
and
the
city
has
act
78
by
virtue
of
a
referendum
that
ended
up
being
adopted
many
years
ago.
But
if
the
city
did
not
have
act,
78
per
the
city
charter,
there
would
be
another
form
of
civil
service.
The
general
government
civil
service
would
still
apply
to
all
employees,
so
civil
service
is
particularly
prominent
because
in
the
1930s
there
was
horrible
turnover
in
state
government.
F
It
was
because
of
how
bad
things
were
like
300
percent
turnover,
and
so
one
of
the
ideas
of
having
civil
service
is
to
have
stability
and
have
people
not
being
selected
based
on
something
other
than
their
merit.
So
that's
why
it's
been
adopted
in
so
many
communities
and
some
of
the
communities
that
have
gotten
rid
of
it.
For
example,
highland
park
got
rid
of
act
78
a
number
of
years
ago,
even
though
it
was
one
of
the
first
communities
that
had
act
78.
F
E
Are
they
not
tested?
If
so,
if
the
city
does
not
have
act,
78
are
they
not
tested,
I
mean,
I
presume
they.
Would
they.
F
At
that
time,
I've
seen
situations
where
you
know
my
private
practice,
I'm
not
speaking
here
where
you
see
people
who've
been
very
active
in
campaigns
who
get
elevated
to
very
high
positions,
and
then,
after
that
particular
official
is
no
longer
in
a
high
position
with
city
government,
now
everyone's
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to
get
rid
of
him
or
her.
So
that's
a
cautionary
tale.
No.
E
F
F
Okay,
assuming
you
got
rid
of
act
78
and
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
said
we'll
do
whatever
you
want,
then
you
would
end
up
having
to
go
through
general
government
civil
service
per
the
city
charter.
Assuming
you
got
rid
of
that,
then
you
would
potentially
have
whatever
process
came.
You
know
you
have
for
in
terms
of
hiring,
of
course
that's
hard
to
think
about
in
terms
of
hypothetically,
because
we've
had
general
government
civil
service
in
acts
78,
since,
as
far
as
I
can
tell
the
1960s,
so,
okay.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
So
is
it
safe
to
say
officer,
lopkovic
and
martin
crandall?
It's
a
due
process
system
and
it
while
it's
not
perfect,
it
prevents
nepotism,
favoritism.
I
I
Let's
work
on
it,
I
say
it's
a
perfect
system,
you
know
it's
funny,
my
father
who's
95
who's
on
the
charter.
Commission
says
that
john
canfield,
who
was
then
the
supervisor,
wanted
to
be
able
to
pick
the
chief
and
pick
his
friends
and
they
had
a
presentation
about
act,
78
and
they
instituted
acts
78
and
the
supervisor
who
became
mayor
wasn't
particularly
for
it.
B
A
J
C
K
C
Well,
I
I
think
it's
it's
very
fair
that
you
ask
questions
about
what
we
do,
because
you
are
spending
money
there,
but
I
don't
know
what
your
driving
factor
is
other
than
that.
If,
if
there's
something
else,
I'd
sure
like
to
know.
K
We
really
like
to
learn
about
every
division-
everything
happening
in
our
city,
because
I
believe
personally
watching
the
city
council
for
17
years,
that
the
previous
administration
and
sorry
to
bring
it
back
never
paid
attention
to
what's
going
on
in
the
police
department
or
the
fire
department,
especially
that
the
new
hires
they
deserve
a
lot
better
than
what
they
get
in
and
they
deserve
better
benefit
than
what
they've
done.
Madam.
C
C
Times
I
think,
before
you
get
to
that
point,
you
would
have
to
ask
how
many
black
applicants
have
we
had
in
the
police
and
the
fire
department.
We
don't
vet
against
any
race
religion,
it's
illegal
for
us
to
do
it.
We
don't
want
to
do
it
and
we
don't
do
it.
Do
you
have
if,
if
we
don't
have
applicants
that
come
through
the
door
that
are
minorities
or
anybody,
women
that
want
these
jobs,
we
can't
create
them.
There's
only
one
creator.
K
K
C
Again,
I
I
would
refer
back
to
in
the
60s
when
the
city
who
the
managers
that
were
here
at
the
time
chose
act
35
as
the
method
that
they
wanted
to
run
their
police,
their
professional
police
and
professional
firefighters,
and
we've
been
here
ever
since
doing
exactly
that.
That's.
K
K
We
have
settled
so
many
lawsuits
involving
police
officers
and
I
can't
speak
to
that
and
always
the
city
paid
thousands
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
as
a
matter
of
fact
sometimes,
and
we
never
seen
any
disciplinary
action
against
any
officer.
Isn't
that
strange
that
the
city
pays
that
amount
of
money
and
no
disciplinary
action.
F
I
would
note
if
I
may,
councilman
abdulhak,
it
would
not
necessarily
be
privy
to
all
the
disciplinary
action
that
would
end
up
being
imposed.
That
much
of
this
would
end
up
being
done
administratively
and
that,
just
because
we
settle
lawsuits
for
certain
amounts,
it
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
there's
always
a
fault
merit
to
that
lawsuit.
F
Sometimes
we
do
it
because
of
risk,
that's
involved,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
a
greater
risk
of
something
being
problematic,
for
example,
if
if
evidence
is
not
found
or
there's
some
problem
with
a
camera
or
something
along
those
lines
and
an
inference
could
end
up
being
drawn
in
a
negative
way,
that's
something
that
we
need
to
end
up
avoiding.
So
while
I
respect
your
point,
obviously
I
think
it's
a
little
a
little
too
aggressive
to
perhaps
take
from
the
settlements
that
we
have,
that.
F
F
F
F
K
C
K
Not
necessarily
to
you
what
I'm
saying
I
don't
need
double
commissions.
I
need
one
commission,
one
civil
service,
commission.
I
don't
see
any
need
for
act,
78,
that's
my
opinion
and
that's
why
I
want
to
raise
it
in
front
of
you
that
act.
78
shouldn't
exist
in
this
city
and
there
should
okay,
well,
okay,
corporate
council.
Really
I
don't
know
you
guys,
I
don't
know
any
one
of
you
and
nothing
against
any
one
of
you.
A
F
Thank
you.
If
the
issue
is
purely
about
the
promotional
path
for
chief,
then
that
issue
would
have
to
end
up
because
it
has
to
do
with
the
promotional
opportunities
of
those
that
who
are
in
a
lower
rank
than
chief.
Then
that
issue
would
have
to
be
negotiated
with
the
unions
to
end
up
reaching
that.
So,
if
your
issue
is
with
regard
to
that
issue,
namely
how
the
promotion
is
done,
then
the
most
direct
way
to
deal
with
that
is
through
the
collective
bargaining
process
and
negotiations,
as
opposed
to
anything
having
to
do
with
acts.
F
K
D
Yeah
I
mean
I
came
here
to
kind
of
go,
learn
the
processes,
because
I
really
didn't
know
the
complete
process
other
than
I
know
it's.
I've
heard
of
the
silva
service
and
you
went
in
front
of
boards
and
you
took
a
test,
so
you
guys
enlightened
me
quite
a
bit
and
it
sure
seems
a
lot
better
than
what
it
sounded
before
I
came
in
here.
D
Okay,
so
I
think
it's
a
good
way
to
to
protect
all
of
us
and
choose
the
right
person.
I
think
you've
got.
You
know
it
really
makes
sense
to
me
now
of
why
it
really
happens
so
kudos
to
you
guys.
Thank
you,
sir.
A
You
know,
I
also
have
to
say
the
same
thing
before
I
came
here
today.
I
really
wasn't
sure
what
acts
78
was
about,
and
I
do
agree
with
what
you're
saying
you're
having
somebody
go
up
the
ranks
you
know
when
I
started
working
as
at
a
young
age
for
a
company.
I
went
up
the
ranks
the
same
way.
A
D
Know
and
that's
and
that's
the
way
it
worked
with
us
when,
when
in
our
jobs,
we
had
leaders
and
we
have
what
they
called
super
leaders
and-
and
it
got
to
the
point
where
bosses
were
making
their
friends
the
leaders
and
super
leaders
and
it
and
it
was
tough,
okay
and
it
just
and
being
in
the
union.
It
wasn't
very
smart
to
have
something
like
that,
so
an
oversight
committee,
which
is
what
I'm
going
to
call
you
guys,
an
oversight
committee,
make
sure
that
that
that
doesn't
happen.
D
A
E
So
a
couple
of
notes
on
here
I
mean
I
can
see
the
advantages
of
course
of
sometimes
of
going
out.
E
But
honestly,
I
see
a
lot
more
advantages
to
act,
78
because
you're
getting
somebody
that's
experienced
in
the
city.
Okay,
that's
been
here
20
years,
30
years,
40
years,
whatever
it
happens
to
be-
which
I
think
is
a
huge
plus
knowing
the
city,
whether
it's
a
fireman
or
a
police
officer
and
and-
and
I
do
see
where
the
council,
where
councilman
zerglah
is,
is
coming
from.
As
far
as
like
other
options
available,
I
do
see
that,
but
at
the
same
time
more
important
than
that
is,
I
think
local
experience
I
think,
is
extremely
important.
E
So
if
we
got
somebody
as
a
fire
chief
or
a
police
chief
and
they're
from
you
know,
dc
or
los
angeles,
or
what
have
you,
they
may
be
great
at
what
they
do,
but
I
think
they're
going
to
be
clueless
in
in
dearborn
heights
to
be
able
to
do
it.
Well,
I'm
also
seeing
it
from
thinking
about
it
from
a
police
officers
or
a
fireman's
perspective.
E
So
if
I
did
not
think
that
would
be
one
of
the
people
that
would
be
considered
when
I
say
I
I'm
talking
about
people
in
general
would
probably
think.
Well,
I
have
no
opportunity
at
a
chief
here
or
deputy
chief,
then
I'm
out
of
here.
Therefore,
in
that
particular
case,
we're
going
to
lose
potentially
well-experienced,
well-dedicated
and
potentially
great
people
to
other
cities.
So
I
see
both
arguments
but
in
my
view
I
think,
there's
more
pluses
to
it
than
than
the
negatives,
and
I
definitely
see
honestly.
E
I
never
thought
about
you
guys
brought
it
up
right
now.
You
know
the
the
issue
with
nepotism,
I
mean
I.
I
could
definitely
see
that
potentially
happening
if
I'm
in
charge
of
whatever
particular
city
and-
and
I
got
my
buddy
and
it's
kind
of
scary-
that
just
has
just
police
officer
credentials,
which
is
great,
of
course,
but
a
brand
new
officer
or
officer
in
a
year
or
two.
I
would
not
put
him
as
a
chief,
so
that's
one
of
the
positive
attributes
of
this
and
that's
it.
Thank
you.
C
J
A
L
I
just
wanted
to
add
something:
the
act.
78,
commission,
we
do
more
than
just
do
the
promotion
lists,
make
sure
or
get
the
chief
all
that
other
stuff.
We
do
more
than
promotions.
We
also
protect
the
employees.
L
You
know
on
their
promotions
to
make
sure
that
the
promotions
are
done
right
when
somebody's
up
for
promotion
and
they
go
through
that
process
that
you
don't
have
the
administrator
or
somebody
up
there
and
it
gets
regards
to
the
nepotism
that
says
no.
I
don't
want
this
guy
in
there,
even
because
maybe
he
don't
like
him
through
the
past
or
whatever
and
brings
them
back
and
then
somebody
jumps
ahead
of
them
and
we
we
are
there
to
protect
that,
and
that
is
part
of
act
78.
L
L
We
I
have
never
I've
been
here
for
two
years
I've
been
on
the
police
department
for
30
years.
I've
never
once
been
influenced
by
anybody
to
make
any
decision
on
hiring.
You
know
asking
about
how
many
blacks
that
have
been
hired
through
the
act
78.
I
kind
of
take
a
little
issue
with
that
respectfully,
mr
abba
hawk.
I
don't
think
that
was
necessary
here.
No,
unless
you
have
some
reason
to
think
that
we
might
have
done
it,
but
you
don't
have
any
evidence
or
anything
at
all
to
bring
that
up
here
like
acts.
L
A
A
J
Yeah,
I
believe
I've
been
done
with
this
people
until
earlier
today.
He
said
he
had
some
things
that
he
wanted
to
present
so
before.
J
M
Yes,
I
raised
my
hand.
You
were
looking
right
at
me,
council,
chair,
but
anyway
you
know
I
I
I
mean
most
of
you
already
know
I
I
did
some.
I
did
send
everybody
actually
an
email
regarding
this,
so
we
kind
of
probably
prevented
most
of
the
questions
here
from
the
email
I
sent
about
acts
78,
but
pretty
much.
What
I
wanted
to
say
is
what
mr
miyaki
already
mentioned
in
part
of
the
bargaining
agreement.
You
know
that
we're
reviewing
it
does
have
stuff
about.
M
J
G
You,
madam
chair
council,
members
mayor
bosnia
in
residence.
My
name
is
phil
hall,
I'm
the
president
of
the
dearborn
heights,
professional
firefighters
union,
I'm
also
a
battalion
chief
on
the
road
in
suppression
for
the
dearborn
heights
fire
department.
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
express
to
this
body
the
adamant
opposition
that
the
dearborn
heights
firefighters
union
and
I
believe
my
brothers
from
the
police
unions
have
for
any
changes
to
the
act.
G
The
prevention,
as
many
of
you
stated
of
nepotism
and
favoritism,
is
the
heart
and
the
mission
of
acts
78.
Why,
then,
would
anyone
want
to
remove
this
system
that
provides
an
equal
and
unbiased
process
for
the
hiring
and
the
promotion
of
police
officers
and
firefighters
in
the
city
of
dearborn
heights?
G
The
act
78
civil
service
system
is
a
permissible
subject
to
bargaining,
as
you
said,
mr
miyaki
and
the
language
for
this
process
is
contained
in
the
collective
bargaining
agreements
for
all
three
first
responder
unions.
Any
changes
or
deviation
from
this
system
that
do
not
occur
at
the
bargaining
table,
are
unilateral
changes
of
working
conditions
and
will
trigger
an
unfair
labor
practice
and
trigger
the
grievance
process.
G
I
strongly
encourage
general
counsel
miyaki
to
reprise
this
honorable
body
of
the
legal
impact
to
the
city
that
could
arise.
The
act
78
system
also
provides
our
veterans
with
preference
points
for
their
service
during
the
hiring
process.
Any
changes
to
the
act
78
process
will
negatively
affect
the
hiring
of
veterans
to
the
police
and
fire
departments.
Can
any
of
you
say
that
you
would
want
to
negatively
impact
the
hiring
of
veterans
into
the
first
responder
positions
in
the
city
of
dearborn
heights?
G
G
I
implore
you
to
consider
the
consequences
for
these
actions.
We
have
excellent
first
responders
in
this
city
that
literally
put
themselves
in
harm's
way
every
single
day
for
the
residents,
and
yet
there
have
been
ongoing
conversations
to
erode
items
that
were
negotiated
in
good
faith
through
the
collective
bargaining
process.
I
simply
want
to
know
why
I
want
to
know
why
what
is
the
end
goal
to
be
achieved?
G
A
I
Yeah
and
just
a
comment
I
mean
this
council
debated
and
voted
that
our
dispatch,
we're
gonna,
have
our
people
here.
We
want
our
dispatch
here.
People
have
campaigned.
I
kept
the
the
our
dispatch
here
in
devon
heights.
It's
you
know
the
the
due
process,
the
civil
service
provisions
in
in
act
78,
it's
the
same
thing.
J
M
I
mean
since,
since
I
was
appointed,
I
worked
very
closely
with
both
the
fire
department
and
police
department
and
it
is
disheartening
to
see
you
know
a
lot
of
discussion
and
I
know
we've
sent
a
lot
of
if
there's
a
lot
of
email
traffic.
You
know
that
was
sent.
You
know
the
previous
topics
that
we
just
discussed
about
the
pension,
but
it
is
disheartening
when
you
when
it
keeps
be
brought
up.
I
mean
this
is
their
livelihood
and
we
already
discussed
it
several
months
ago
about
you
know
the
pension
about
the
pay.
M
M
You
know,
and-
and
it's
really
scary-
you
know
for
me-
you
know
as
as
a
mayor
right
now.
You
know
when
they
come
up
to
me
and
they
tell
me
hey,
you
know
what
I
mean.
Are
we
gonna
lose
our
pension?
Are
we
gonna?
You
know
this
and
that
I
really
don't
want
this
conversation
to
keep
going,
because
you
know
I
don't
want
to
lose
great
police
officers
and
great
firefighters.
M
You
know
it's
like
I
said
it
is.
It
is
disturbing
when
they
come
up
to
my
office.
Like
I
mentioned
before,
I
have
an
open
door
policy
and
a
lot
of
them
come
and
talk
to
me
and
I
don't
want
to
lose
any
of
them
and
with
this
here
you
know
like,
like
we
said
before
with
mr
miyaki,
with
the
bargaining
agreement,
you
know
we've
been
going
through
it.
M
You
know
line
by
line
with
our
hr
director,
and
I
mean
the
the
promotion
process
is
very
reasonable
and
again
you
know
these
guys
are
amazing.
I've
seen
nothing
but
the
great
the
greatest
things
I'm
really
proud
of
them.
I've
seen
a
lot
of
fire
departments.
A
lot
of
you
know
police
departments,
but
these
guys
really
go
away
and
above
and
dearborn
heists
have
suffered
a
lot.
You
know
with
the
pandemic,
you
know
with
covet.
You
know
these
guys.
I've
been
walking
a
lot.
You
know
I
walked
a
lot.
M
I've
seen
you
know
some
of
the
stuff,
you
know
when
they
poke
somebody
over
for
somebody
doing
something
stupid.
You
know
I'm
just
like.
Oh
my
god,
you
know
they're
like
face
to
face
with
somebody
that
might
have
kovet
our
first
responders.
You
know
they're
putting
somebody
in
an
ambulance
with
that
has
covet,
and
you
know
what
they
never
complain,
and
you
know
they
are.
They
do
have
anxiety
and
really
really
got
to
put
the
stuff
past
us.
We
got
to
move
forward
and
I
said
before
we
got
to
propel
our
city
forward.
M
M
Yeah
I
mean
yeah,
I
mean
it
is.
It
is
very
reasonable.
You
know,
and
we
discussed
it
at
some
of
the
bargaining
discussion.
You
know
with
the
mil
the
way
the
military
promotes.
Well,
especially
the
marines,
you
know,
and
it
is
pretty
similar
to
what
they
do.
You
know
you
do
have
a
committee
like
you
know
the
act,
78
committee
and
the
marines
actually
have
something
similar,
and
you
have
people
that
have
no
idea
who
the
police
officer
who
the
firefighter
is.
M
You
know
when
they
promote
and
they
give
them
points
it's
the
same
system
and
all
the
service.
All
the
services
actually
complement
the
way
the
marines
promote
is
because
they
don't
know
who
the
person
is
they
just
go
by
by
the
interview
and
by
the
the
point
system.
So
I
mean
it
it.
I
don't
you
know
and
again
and
thank
you
for
your
support
and-
and
I
thank
them
for
all
their
support.
K
Okay,
mayor,
you
can,
I
believe
there
is
the
opb
opeb
right
there
behind
you
gary.
Can
you
read
that
number?
How
much
liability
we
have
for
the
gentleman
here,
168
million
693
439?
K
I
voted
yes
on
everything
for
the
police
and
fire
and
I
will
continue
to
vote
for
everything
which
make
you
do
your
job
in
the
best
way
possible
in
your
safety
is
a
priority
for
me
and
the
safety
of
the
people
too.
But
the
reason
I'm
doing
this,
I
want
to
explore
everything
to
make
sure
everybody
get
in
fair
shot
in
the
city
and
getting
the
fair
benefit
which
they
deserve.
A
F
To
point
out
two
things:
one
thing
we
didn't
talk
about:
we've
talked
a
little
bit
about
liability
and
one
of
the
things
about
a
system
like
act,
78
it
cuts
down
on
the
exposure
of
the
city
by
having
this
type
of
procedure,
that's
merit-based,
so
you
have
less
of
an
opportunity
to
end
up
having
people
bringing
a
claim
for
failing
to
hire,
failing
to
propose
discrimination,
as
councilman
muscat
just
said.
So
that's
one
of
the
other
benefits
and
phil.
F
F
A
N
Hi,
my
name
is
walter
j
sullivan
I've
been
a
resident
of
this
city
for
probably
close
to
67
years.
I've
seen
a
lot
of
changes
in
this
town
that
I
kind
of
shake
my
head
about.
I
remember
in
63
when
the
city
corporated,
when
you
came
into
the
city,
it
said
welcome
to
dearborn
heights
city
with
the
future.
N
N
N
N
L
D
Should
call
the
ordinance
department
on
and
have
them
come
look
at
it.
Okay,
you
know
we're
we're
trying
to
deal
with
a
certain
act.
78
here
I
got
it,
and
but
all
you
need
to
do
is
either
call
the
ordinance
department
says:
that's
the
first
step
to
do
and
if
you
don't
get
satisfaction
then
call
one
of
us,
I'm
sure
one
of
us
will
be
glad
to
take
up.
N
Your
let
me
let
me
just
add
one
more
final,
closing
thought
and
I'll
be
done
with
my
say
why,
when
there
was
a
boundary
of
a
hedgerow
that
was
there
and
was
planted
25
years
ago
to
provide
that
barrier
between
residential
and
commercial,
it
was
cut
down
without
a
permit.
D
N
D
K
A
E
If
you
don't
mind
our
emergency
manager,
I
don't
mean
to
put
you
on
the
spot,
but
because
of
the
timeliness,
can
you
give
the
residents,
if
you
don't
mind,
just
a
general
update
as
far
as
the
garbage,
the
hauling
of
the
stuff
from
the
streets,
just
just
generic
update
and
then
to
make
sure
that
they
fill
out
those
forms?
So
we
can
turn
in
enough
numbers
to
fema
and
get
reimbursements,
hopefully
for
the
residents,
so
we're
trying
for
going
on
the
spot.
But
I
know
you
know.
H
What
you're
talking
about
this
morning,
we
turned
into
wayne
county
over
1150
flooded
homes
compared
to
dearborn
they
had
eleven
thousand.
So
we
asked
our
residents
I
have
if
they
have
not
yet
filled
out
a
survey
form
it
is
available
when
you
come
in
the
doors
of
city
hall
or
online
we're
continuing
to
put
those
in
the
database.
H
Like
I
said,
we
spent
everything
to
wayne
county
they're,
moving
it
up
the
ladder
to
the
state
and
then
they'll
go
to
the
federal
side.
Fema
is
expected
to
be
in
town
thursday,
friday
saturday,
we
don't
know
which
day
in
our
community
yet
they'll
have
some
teams
we'll
go
out
with
those
teams
to
certain
areas
in
the
city
wherever
they
want
to
go.
I
have
it
marked
down
what
areas
had
more
flooding
than
others
and.
H
With
the
garbage
gfl,
as
we
all
know,
they
have
the
contract
with
our
city
dearborn
a
few
others.
So
the
mayor
has
been
working
with
them.
We've
got
them
picking
up
the
trash,
they
started
saturday
and
they
got
a
lot
of
saturday.
They
did
monday's
pickup.
So
what
they're
doing
is
they're
getting
pick
up
like
a
monday's
trash
pickup.
They
got
tuesdays.
They
got
today
they're
working
on
wednesdays,
I'm
talking.
H
Stuff
from
people's
basements
flooding
stuff,
that's
what
they're!
Picking
up,
we
still
ask
our
residents
to
put
everything
at
the
curbside
gfl
will
get
it
there,
we're
not
doing
any
compost
pickup
this
week.
So
don't
our
residents
don't
put
out
any
grass
any
leaves
anything
like
that.
We're
using
those
trucks
to
pick
up
the
flooding
items
at
the
curbside.
It.
H
They're,
coming
by
you
know,
they're
still
doing
the
regular
garbage
they
pick
up
plus,
in
addition
to
that,
they
have
some
trucks,
doing
the
flooding
items
at
the
curb
they
expect
to
come
in
again
saturday
and
go
through
the
whole
city
again
and
get
any
homes
that
they
might
have
missed,
or
people
that
brought
out
the
debris
at
a
later
time.
So
we
asked
our
residents
bear
with
us
put
the
trash
at
the
curbside.
H
Gfl
is
making
progress,
and
hopefully,
by
saturday
the
mayor's
talk
to
them
and
hopefully
by
saturday
we'll
have
it
all
picked
up,
but
they're
making
progress
a
little
at
a
time.
Thank
you.
Any
questions
from
the
council
in
regards.
D
To
just
a
quick
comment:
emergency
manager
gavin:
I
watch
these
guys
working
on
saturday.
These
guys
are
working
hard,
picking
up
everything
and
I've
seen
one
guy
even
pull
out
a
rake
off
the
truck
and
rake
the
guy's
lawn,
because
he
had
a
bunch
of
drywall
there
and
raked
up
the
lawn
and
got
it
into
the
street
and
shoveled
it
up
and
did
a
great
job.
So
they're
they're
working
hard
and
it's
gonna
take
a
while
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
debris
out.
D
E
Another
question
I've
been
asked
by
residents
if
they
file
with
our
city,
can
they
still
file?
For
I
know
I
know
the
answer,
but
if
you
could
address
that
a
little
bit,
can
they
still
file
for
insurance
or
is
it
so?
In
other
words,
a
lot
of
residents
have
asked:
is
it
just
one
or
the
other?
Can
they
file
for
both?
At
the
same
time,
all.
H
We
have
our
form
is
just
a
survey
form
no
claim
no
financial
assistance,
it's
just
a
survey
form,
so
we
have
it
in
our
database.
We
ask
them
to
contact
their
insurance
company.
A
lot
of
people
do
not
have
the
rider
for
water
to
come
up
through
the
sewers
sewer,
backed
up
sewer
rider
so
fill
out
our
form
when
fema
gets
here
that
and-
and
it's
declared
a
disaster
area
that
will
between
be
between
each
individual,
homeowner
and
fema.
H
If
it's
approved,
we'll
set
up
a
meeting
spot
such
as
a
library
and
it
will
be
up
to
each
resident
to
come
in
and
meet
with
the
final
female
rep,
the
city
will
be
out
of
it.
The
counties
out
of
it
it'll
be
between
female
and
resident,
but
right
now
they
can
fill
out
our
form
and
their
insurance
if
they
get
money
for
insurance.
That
should
be
their
number
one
priority.
H
M
Go
ahead
mayor,
please
there's
also
they
mentioned,
I
mean
yeah,
you
do
have
to
go
to
the
insurance,
but
you
don't
make
the
mistake
and
them
something
to
say
it
came
from
the
sewers
because
some
residents
it's
coming
from
the
walls
and
that's
different.
So
when
you
tell
the
insurance
it's
coming
from
the
flood
from
the
from
the
sewer
automatically
they're
going
to
deny
it
they're
going
to
say
hey,
this
is
not
a
problem,
so
you
got
to
make
sure
when
you
do
call
the
insurance
company
to
say
that
I
mean.
M
Obviously,
you
got
to
tell
them
that
what
happened,
but
if
it's
coming
from
the
wall
make
sure
you
specify
it
came
from
the
walls
or
from
the
door
or
something
because
some
of
the
homes
that
mr
gavin
and
I
we've
been
going
through
the
whole
week.
You
know
visiting
homes,
a
lot
of
the
water
didn't
actually
come
from
the
sewers.
It
came
from
the
from
the
basement
windows
like
there's
one
home
that
the
the
window
shattered
and
it's
coming
from
the
basement
window.
That's
how
the
basement
flooded
or
from
the
entry
doors.
M
F
Yes,
just
very
briefly,
if
you
have
insurance
that
may
cover
this,
you
should
file
claim
with
your
insurance
company
and
if
you've
ended
up
having
a
problem,
you
should
fill
out
the
city
survey
form
so
that
you're
potentially
covered
with
respect
to
fema.
Thank
you.
M
M
M
So
in
turn
the
county
takes
these
assessments
with
all
the
homes
we
turned
ours
this
morning,
even
after
we
turned
it
in
we're
still
getting
we
got
about
another
100
or
so
we're
getting
like
100
to
200
emails
a
day
with
just
assessments,
so
the
county
takes
those
and
they
give
them
to
the
state.
The
state
compiles
them.
It's
not
just
a
wayne
county
issue,
so
there's
other
counties
that
were
involved
as
well
or
they
were
affected.
So
the
state
puts
that
together
and
the
state
has
to
advocate.
M
M
So
right
now,
even
though
it
was
declared
a
state
of
emergency
to
the
state,
we
still
need
the
federals
to
declare
it
as
a
federal
disaster,
so
we
can
get
the
money
from
fema
so
and
another.
The
second
thing
is
there
is
something
that
was
put
on
by
that
by
both
congresswoman
bengal
and
congresswoman
rashida
slave
trying
to
get
funding
to
do
more
research
investigation
on
especially
the
e-course
greek.
M
So
I
did
see
something
that
was
put
in
place
and
they
did
ask
for
funding
it's
about
close
to
two
million
dollars
to
do
the
investigation
and
to
bring
the
army
corps
of
engineers
again
to
the
area
to
investigate
it,
to
see
what
they
can
do
to
show
that
hey.
This
is
really
bad.
You
know
we
really
need
more
funding,
trying
to
figure
out
what
they
can
do
with
the
igor's
creek
or
some
of
the
the
flood,
the
flooding
that
we're
having
in
dearborn
heights,
so
they
they
are
working
on
it.
M
M
So
it's
getting
a
lot
of
attention
national
attention
right
now
with
from
states
u.s
senators,
both
stabinon,
also
peters,
so
it
is
getting
momentum
right
now
trying
to
get
funding,
so
they
are
listening,
and
so
we
have
good
advocates
trying
to
push
for
funding
for
trying
to
figure
out
what
we
can
do
to
to
resolve
this
flooding
issue
and
our
city
engineers
actually
also
is
on
the
ground.
M
Looking
at
some
issues
he's
been
inspecting
a
lot
of
the
sewers
throughout
the
city,
so
he
is
working
with.
You
know
some
of
our
you
know
congressional
as
well
trying
to
give
him
feedback
and
he's
also
trying
to
figure
out
a
solution
as
well.
K
M
We
we
actually
had
several
senior
citizens
they
reached
out
and
we
have
some
entities
that
were
able
to
help
there's
somebody
that
was
here
earlier,
that
he's
helped
several
senior
citizens
with
their
furnace
and
also
their
water
heater,
and
I
did
talk
to
our
cdbg.
You
know
they're
we're
trying
to
figure
out
what
we,
how
much
money
we
can
allocate
from
cdbg
for
the
senior
citizens,
and
we
did
also
ask
with
the
chief
of
staff.
M
M
They
have
they're
trying
to
set
up
a
hotline.
We
can't
really
discuss
it
right
now,
because
it
hasn't
they're
trying
to
amend
the
hotline
once
they
get
the
hotline
up
and
running,
hopefully
within
the
next
day
or
two,
then
residents
could
call
that
hotline
and
they
can
get
volunteers
and
we
can
see
if
we
can
set
up
an
emergency
fund.
You
know
to
help
out,
you
know
those
in
need,
so
hopefully
I'm
giving
updates
daily
and
I'll
make
sure
you
know
the
last
meeting
we
had
this
morning.
J
J
You
know
I've
heard
a
lot
of
concerns
from
the
residents
and
one
thing
that
you
know
this
is
this
is
an
ongoing
issue
in
the
city
of
dearborn
heights,
where
you
know
homes
are
being
flooded,
people
are
having
to
strip
it
out,
go
back
in
pull
insurance
insurance
is
going
up.
You
know
when
you
want
to
go,
sell
that
house
and
I'm
sure
you
can
relate
to
this
councilman
abdullah.
Now
you
know
that
this
house
is,
you
know,
has
had
flooding
in
the
past.
J
Can
we
get
a
time
stamp
of
when
we
can,
you
know
simply
say
hey
by
august
21st
we're
going
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
certain
plan
in
place
that
we're
going
to
start
executing
on
and
so
that
it's
not
being
neglected
or
anything,
and
if
that's
just
something
that
could
be
done.
Hey
by
you
know,
and
you
can
come
back
to
council
and
say
by
august
21st
or
you
know,
we've
worked
with
dpw
we've
been
working
with
our
congressional
districts.
J
We
were
able
to,
you,
know,
receive
this
much
funding
and
I'm
not
saying
august
21st
says
and
I'm
just
throwing
a
hypothetical
out
there,
but
I
don't
want
to
just
let
this
overpass
us
because
we're
not
going
to
see
any
rain
potentially
until
next
year,
heavy
rain
to
what
we've
seen
recently
and
it
might
just
be
the
whole
100-year
storm
who
knows
with
global
warming
and
everything
that's
happening.
You
know
my
family
was
devastated
with
this.
My
parents
house,
my
sister's
house,
my
house.
J
I
know
our
director
perry's
basement,
I'm
sorry
into
the
rest
of
the
residence
and
maybe
only
1100
were
able
to
fill
out
the
form,
but
I
can
tell
you,
I
personally
believe
there's
way
well
over
1100
basements
that
were
flooded.
I
agree
so
so
to
me
it's.
This
is
an
issue
I
see
dearborn,
where
my
in-laws
had
almost
six
inches
of
rain
of
sewage.
Back
up
the
fridge
and
freezers
were
laying
on
the
floor.
They
have
no
ac,
they
have
no
water
heater.
J
I
don't
want
to
see
that
happen
to
the
residents
of
the
urban
heights,
so
I
I
would
like
to
see
some
type
of
time
stamp
to
be
able
to
come
back
to
us,
even
if
it's
in
november,
but
but
I
don't
want
to
just
ignore
this
and
wait
for
another
storm
to
happen
and
say
well,
you
know
we
lost
track
of
time.
We
and
I'm
not
saying
that's
going
to
happen,
but
that's
what
this
actual
comments
about.
So
if
we
can
get
some
type
of
time
stamp
and
a
follow-up
every
couple
of
months.
Thank
you.