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From YouTube: Dearborn Heights Study Session: 9/1/20
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The Dearborn Heights Study Session regarding Corporation Counsel Contract & CSO Projects taking place Tuesday, September 1st 2020 via Zoom.
A
A
C
I
make
a
suggestion
because
we're
not
gonna
discuss
the
corporation
council
contract.
I
know
that
was
on
the
agenda
and
so
a
lot
of
possible
residents
and
or
people
on
there
are
expecting
that
conversation.
At
least.
Maybe
you
make
a
statement
as
far
as
why
we're
not
discussing
it.
Okay,.
A
I
think
I
think
it'd
be
a
good
idea
sure
at
this
time
we
received
a
letter
from
corporate
former
corporate
council
miaki,
stating
that
it
appears
he's
going
to
try
and
work
with
attorney
shank
in
regards
to
coming
up
with
the
contract.
D
B
Well,
no,
I
just
want
to
go
on
record
of
saying
that
I
really
wanted
to
discuss
the
corporation
council,
but
I'll
go
with
the
majority
of
the
council.
Madam
chair.
E
D
A
D
F
D
D
Okay,
go
go
ahead,
mr
brooks
I
and
also
mr
selmi,
I'm
trying
to
mute
you,
but
for
some
reason
I
can't
get
it
on
you.
G
G
G
So
one
suggestion
from
bond
council
was
to
to
bond
this
current
project,
which
would
would
free
up
money
in
the
water
and
sewer
fund,
and
it
would
probably
make
it
more
compatible
in
terms
of
future
budgets
in
terms
of
potential
increases
in
rates.
G
So
I
think
we're
looking
for
direction
for
the
council
do
if
they
want
to
still
pursue
a
smaller
bond
issue,
around
16.3
million,
which
would
be
all
three
cso
projects
or
just
the
two
future
cso
projects,
which
I
don't
know.
I
don't
have.
The
exact
number
but
it'll
be
probably
more
and
tune
about
12
million
dollars.
E
G
Take
the
meters
out,
it's,
I
think,
16.3
million
with
the
three
cso
areas,
the
one
that's
under
construction
this
year,
is
about
3.4
million.
So
if
you
take,
if
you
don't
bond
for
that,
one
you're,
probably
down
to
around
12
million
13
million.
E
And
I
don't
know
if
this
is
something
you
can
comment
on,
but
I'm
sure
the
mayor
can,
if
these
improvements
are
done,
they're
mandated.
So
if
not
we'll
end
up
in
court
and
being
ordered
to
do
these
at
a
greater
expense,
correct.
G
Right
we
we
met
with
eagle
back
in
2018
and
agreed
on
a
schedule
which
is
a
schedule
or
following,
and
they
would
they
said
they
would
issue
an
npds
permit.
Based
on
that
schedule,
we
officially
are
still
waiting
for
the
npds
permit
to
be
issued,
so
we
do
not
have
a
permit
with
these
dates
in
them.
But
it's
it's
forthcoming.
G
So
it's
it's
a
little
gray
area
there
in
terms
of
having
a
firm
compliance
schedule
versus
one
that
was
an
agreed
on
concept
handshake
if
you
want
to
say,
but
they
have
now
followed
up
with
a
permit
in
writing.
G
Right
plant
moran,
where
administration
was
preparing
a
the
water
budget
with
a
number
of
scenarios,
one
would
be
to
bond
the
cso
projects
and
if
you
don't
bond
them,
then
what
would
be
the
cost
paying
cash.
So
just
so,
you
can
see
the
difference.
G
No,
we
don't
have
those
numbers
plant,
moran
was
we.
We
met
this
week
or
last
week
we
met
and
they
were
gonna
work
on
those
budget
scenarios
and
we're
gonna
come
back
to
council
in
september.
G
B
Yeah,
when
the
fur
was
first
discussed
the
bond
issues
at
30
million
dollars,
I
was,
I
was
really
upset
at
30
million
dollars,
but
with
the
streaming
back
down
to
16
million
and
and
if
we
bond
include
the
project,
that's
going
on
now
include
that
in
a
bond
that
would
work
out
very
well
because
then,
after
that's
done,
we
can
pay
down
some
of
that
debt
with
the
cso
money
that
was
captured
years
ago.
B
That's
still
sitting
in
a
water
fund,
and
I
would
hope
that
city,
council
and
rest
of
my
colleagues
say
yes
to
this
immediately
and
and
get
those
bombs
issued
as
soon
as
possible.
C
I'm
not
sure
if
dan
brooks
can
answer
this
or
possibly
someone
else,
but
if
we
did
go
with
the
first
two
projects
right
now
at
12
million
12
million
dollars,
when
we
bonded
it
out,
do
you
have
dan
at
least
an
idea
as
to
how
much
for
the
average
homeowner
under
average
water
bill,
how
much
that
would
actually
cost
and
how
many
years
that's
going
to
be
bonded
out
over.
G
I
I
don't
have
that
that
was
going
to
be
presented
this
month
once
plant
moran
went
ran
through
the
scenarios,
but
the
plan
was
to
do
a
20-year
bond.
There
are
there
are
options
I
believe
to
do.
I
believe
25
or
30-year
bonds,
if
you
want
to,
but
it's
I
think,
we're
basing
the
scenarios
on
a
20-year
bond.
C
Okay,
because
I
know,
interest
rates
are
obviously
very
low
right
now,
so
this
is
obviously
an
optimal
time
to
do
this,
at
least
based
on
interest
rates
alone,
but
do
maybe
by
the
time
you
do
present,
then
if
we
can
have
some
sort
of
an
idea,
because
that's
how
residents
can
in
general
relate
to
this,
and
so
how
much
is
it
going
to
cost
them
per
average
homeowner
per
water
bill?
You.
C
G
Right
we're
going
to
break
it
down
to
the
cost
on
a
common,
typical
water
bill,
beautiful.
A
H
I
Can
I
can
I
try
to
answer
rey's.
I
There
was
a
report
done
by
clint
moran
and
was
presented
to
all
of
us
on
december
17th,
and
in
that
report
it
said
that
a
one
percent
impact
to
the
rates
results
from
every
three
million
adjustment
to
cash
needed,
and
it
said,
in
other
words,
lowering
the
cash
needs
by
three
million,
reduces
the
rate
by
one
percent
from
the
proposed
increase.
I
Lowering
expenses
by
three
million
and
the
budget
reduces
rates
by
one
percent
from
the
proposed
increase,
and
so
it
would
be
my
guesstimate
that-
and
I
can't
work
the
math
out
that
quick.
But
I
think
that
the
residents
would
see
a
reduction
in
the
rates
of
a
couple
percent
for
these
contracts,
but
16.3
million
and
the
need
to
pay
for
that.
Over
three
years
you
could
be
talking
four
or
five
percent
increase
in
the
rates
that
would
be
needed
to
be
raised
if
we
fund
it
by
cash.
I
If
we
bond
for
it-
and
we
only
have
to
pay
the
bond
amount,
I
think
the
amount
of
the
bond
would
be
far
less
than
one
than
300
or
3
million,
so
it'd
be
less
than
one
percent
and
and
then,
as
the
councilman
indicated,
which
is
something
I
think
we
all
were
trying
to
do
and
that's
to
use
the
overpayments
that
were
made
over
taxations
on
prior
bonding
and
use
that
to
help
fund
a
good
portion
of
this
entire
project.
I
So
all
there's
nothing
but
good
reasons
to
go
out
to
bond
plus
the
fact
the
rates
are
very
desirable
right
now
the
market
is
taking
municipal
bond
projects.
Everything
is
fitting
right
in
the
line
to
help
us
and
the
best
thing
is
we're
saving
our
residents
a
shock
in
the
water
bills
that
they've
received
council
chair
council.
B
D
J
I
B
B
This
is
every
year
in
august
we
see
these
huge
spikes
and-
and
I
know
that
people
that
live
alone-
that
don't
even
have
flowers
to
water,
their
bills,
jump
from
the
minimum
to
178
200,
something
is
to
me
is
fishy
and
I
I'm
afraid
about
adding
any
more
to
the
water
department.
But
I
I
understand
the
need
that
we
have
to
get
this
done.
This
is
you
know,
10
years
in
the
making.
B
A
Okay,
any
other
comments
or
concerns
from
anybody.
We
have
directors
tell.
K
Yeah,
thank
you
three
different
devices,
I'm
here
so
yeah,
I'm
considering
what
everybody
was
saying,
but
I'll
just
like
to
add
the
fact
that
I
did
speak
speak
with
martin
again
late
this
afternoon
from
plant
moran.
K
We
are
putting
together
a
couple
different
budget
proposals,
so
everybody
can
see
what
the
impact
would
be
bonded,
partially
bonded
or
purely
out
of
cash,
the
other,
the
other
part
of
a
vote
of
the
people.
This
is
a
different
type
of
bond,
and
you
know
this
is
a
municipal
bond,
that's
being
sold
and
backed
by
water
and
sewer
rates,
not
by
tax
rates.
So
I
mean
that's
something.
If
we
want
to
talk
further
about
that,
we
should
engage
bond
council
who
obviously
have
a
way
more
in-depth
conversation
about
that
than
myself.
E
So,
madam
chair,
welcome
to
constant
so
yeah.
It's
we
do
plan
to
bond
for
the
lower
amount
and
we
do
plan
to
have
it's.
It's
mike
mcgee
at
miller,
canfield
go
forward
with
the
bond
issue.
K
Well,
if
I,
if
I
can
answer
part
of
that
some
of
there's
a
lot
more
work,
that
has
to
be
done
for
that.
What
the
bond
amount
is
going
to
be
is
critical,
because
that
affects
the
issuance
costs
and
fees
and
sorts
of
things
like
that
again,
is
it
the
you
know,
for
the
two
projects,
all
three
projects?
Obviously
I'm
hearing
clearly
that
the
water
meter
project's
not
a
part
of
this,
so
that's
reduced
it
significantly.
K
There
is
a
resolution.
I
believe,
if
I
recall
from
the
last
meeting
that
the
council
has
to
adopt
and
not
to
an
exceed
number,
then
there's
a
45
day
waiting
period.
If
I'm,
I
don't
want
to
speak
out
of
school
here,
I
think
believe.
There's
a
45
day
waiting
period
also
before
the
bonds
could
actually
be
issued
for
public
comment.
A
Thank
you
also
too,
while
we're
on
the
issue
of
the
water
bills,
since
we're
talking
water,
does
anybody
know
why
there
is
an
increase
in
the
water
bills
like
there
is?
Is
there
a
problem
with
their
equipment.
K
Well,
there's
no
rate
increase;
it
may
be
a
little
bit
of
longer
reading
cycle.
Certainly
you
know
one
of
the
top
10
driest
summers.
We've
had
in
a
very
long
time,
according
to
a
lot
of
the
weather
services,
so
you
know
there
could
be
a
couple
factors
there
length
of
bill
type.
You
know
watering
that
the
homeowners
do
or
do
not
do.
A
C
I
know
this
is
not
cso,
but
director
people
are
getting
quite
a
bit
higher
bills.
I
mean,
I
know
one
particular
family
that
called
me
and
it's
two
guys
that
live
there.
They
have
no
kids,
they're,
not
watering
the
grass
and
they
don't
have
a
sprinkler
system
and
their
water
bills.
Almost
400.
I've
already
sent
them
a
plumber
to
check
out
just
in
case
there's
any
leakage
yeah,
but
their
water
bill
is
almost
four
hundred
dollars
yeah
for
a
few
month
period.
That's
way
too
high,
considering
they
don't
cook
or
anything
like
that.
K
C
Well,
that's
why
that's
why
I
had
him
check
with
a
plumber
first,
I
recommend
it
to
them.
Get
a
plumber
to
check
out
if
the
meter's
moving,
if
there's
any
type
of
leakage,
if
there's
no
leakage,
then
you
take
it
to
the
next
level
facility
level.
But
I
I
am
you
know
same
as
councilman
ray
musket
was
mentioning
and
there
is
a
lot
of
people
that
are
concerned
about
water
bills
being
very
high,
so
just
fyi.
K
You
know,
in
all
fairness,
that's
that's
a
you
know,
that's
an
issue
for
every
community
and
water
bills
and
sewer
bills
are
never
going
to
go
down.
The
water
rates
are
being
increased
from
the
great
lakes
water
authority
from
the
roose
valley
system
from
the
down
river
system,
and
I
don't
know
how
long
financially
the
city
could
continue
to
absorb
those
rates
and
not
pass
them
along
to
their
end
users.
But
it's
it's
not
it's
not
a
dearborn
heights
thing
affects
a
lot
of
communities.
E
John,
our
mayor,
if
you
know
what
percentage
do
we
have
residential
versus
commercial
users?
Is
it
10
commercial,
90
residential?
Does
anyone
know
dan
brooks.
E
So
the
with
the
lower
water
rates,
the
commercial
users,
are
enjoying
a
lower
rate
at
the
expense
of
the
water
fund.
Basically,.
E
Yeah
so,
in
other
words,
it's
not
just
homeowners,
it's
if,
with
the
reduced
water
rates,
the
commercial
users,
I
was
at
city
hall
the
other
day,
and
there
was
a
commercial
user
with
a
problem
with
his
water
bill
and
he
was
going
to
come
before
council.
I
told
him
first,
you
know
check
with
check
for
a
leak
check
with
the
water
department.
E
If,
if
the,
if
the
everyone
was
used,
was
paying
exactly
what
they
should
be
paying
to
cover
the
cost
of
the
system,
then
the
commercial
users
would
be
paying
more
and
they'd,
be.
You
know
shouldering
that
cost
at
least
10
percent
of
it.
E
E
G
Another
comment
on
with:
if
someone
calls
with
a
high
water
bill,
you
direct
have
them
directly
called
dpw
because
they
take
the
calls
and
they
do
they
do
follow
through.
If,
if
there's
a
high
water
bill.
E
G
K
And
if
I
could,
if
I
could
add
something
to
that
one
of
the
easiest
ways
any
homeowner
can
do,
that
is
put
a
couple
drops
of
food
coloring
in
the
back
of
their
tank
and
come
back
in
an
hour
or
the
next
morning.
If
there's
food
color
in
the
bowl,
then
you
know
something's
leaking.
That's
the
simplest
way
to
check
you
know
real
real,
real
efficient.
There.
E
A
B
I
know
my
water
bill
went
up
because
I
water
grass,
even
though
my
front
grass
died
this
year
from
a
disease.
But
I
my
backyard,
still
looks
wonderful,
so
I
expected
mine
to
be
higher
than
normal.
But
I
I
look
at
my
mom's
and
I'm
saying
wow,
it's
kind
of
hard
for
me
to
swallow
that
going
from
52
dollars
to
200,
and
I
think
it
was
179
and
and
let's
not
forget
folks,
we're
on
a
two-month
schedule,
not
a
three-month
schedule.
K
And
and
that's
something
that
you
gotta
take
into
factor
two
because
they're
it
may
not
be
a
60-day
bill.
So
that's
you
know:
we've
had
some
people
off
a
couple
of
meters
off
here,
so
you
know
they
were
10-12
days.
It
might
be
a
70
or
75-day
bill
too.
So
you
could
take
that
in
consideration.
So
if
they
do
call
the
department
and
are
certainly
the
billing,
we
can
get
the
read
dates
and
start
there
and
try
to
help
the
residents
to
see
what's
going
on
there.
Thank
you,
mr
sonny.
H
Yeah,
you
know
it's
hard
to
tell
the
residents
that
they're
only
paying
from
what
goes
to
the
meter.
When
I
had
a
classic
example.
Last
year
I
had
a
1200
water
bill
and
it
was,
I
do
have
some
flowers.
I
wanted
some
flowers
and
I
filled
a
pool,
but
this
year
I
filled
a
bigger
pool
and,
like
john
said,
it's
driven
drier
and
my
highest
water
bill
for
that
cycle
was
400.
H
I
mean
I
filled
a
bigger
pool
in
during
that
pay
cycle
will
probably
water
my
plants
more
and
my
bill's
four
one-third
of
what
it
was
the
1200
dollar
one,
and
that-
and
I
just
I-
I
just
paid
it
last
year-
I
should
have
looked
into
it
more
and
I
got
the
same,
toilets,
nothing's
changed.
I've
got
kids
taking
more
baths,
it
just
doesn't
make
sense.
I
can
see
how
the
residents
get
upset
because
they're
not
using
any
more
water,
and
it's
just
what
goes
to
the
meter.
K
H
L
B
Yeah,
are
we
gonna
be
able
to
get
this
back
this
bond
issue
back
on
the
agenda
right
away,
so
we
can
vote
on
it.
Well,.
K
The
goal
the
goal
the
goal
of
our
meeting
from
last
thursday
was
to
have
it
on
the
september
the
last
meeting
of
september.
We
still
have
to
do
some
work
to
get
all
the
water
budget
together
to
run
a
couple
scenarios.
K
D
B
About
this,
I
I
truly
am
I
mean
we
can't
let
it
go
you
just
can't
let
it
go
by
okay.
H
K
So
what
what
we've
done
is
reached
out
to
the
bond
council
to
do
two
one
scenario
with
two
different
pay
cycles:
one
a
20
year
and
one
at
25,
every
bond
issuance.
If
you
know
you
every
time
you
do
it,
there's
a
cost
to
it.
So
there's
really
no
cost
benefit
to
do
it
in
you
know
only
four
million
instead
of
12
million,
because
if
you're
going
to
do
another
bond
issuance
there's
another
cost
to
that.
So
that's
why
I
say
you
know
I'm
not
an
expert
on
that
stuff.
K
I
think
the
one
thing
that
we
need
to
be
clear
when
we
say
bonding
so
this
this
bond
is
going
to
be
guaranteed
by
water
rates,
and
so
it's
spread
out
over
20.
The
two
scenarios
that
we're
going
to
present
are
20
years
and
25
years.
So
it's
not
it's
not
a
tax.
It
goes
to
the
to
the
end
user.
You
know
so
everybody
that
uses
water
and
sewer
would
be
would
be
affected
by
that.
So.
H
K
M
Yes,
council
chair,
I'm
not
sure
what
exactly
ended
up
happening.
I
was
not
letting
the
meeting
until
about
506..
M
M
Was
a
there
should
have
been,
this
should
have
been
discussed
and
we
are
potentially
going
to
have
some
very
serious
problems.
A
Well,
if
we,
your
letter,
is
what
caused
it
to
happen,
because
it
came
in
just
before
our
meeting.
No
one
has
had
a
chance
to
research,
it
we
all
looked
at
it
and
it
looks
like
you're.
M
Mr
shank
and
I
will
try
to
come
up
with
something
that
will
be
able
to
deal
with
this
matter,
to
hopefully
be
able
to
satisfy
the
majority
of
your
council
and,
at
the
same
time
satisfy
the
mayor
and
hopefully
satisfy
the
lawyers,
because
right
now,
I'm
under
the
impression
that
I
might
be
handling
a
lot
more
legal
work
imminently
and
so
and
and
frankly,
without
getting
apparently
not
getting
paid
or
getting
paid
somewhere
along
the
down
line.
And
this
is
very
problematic.
M
I
mean
you
know
I
I
this
would
should
have
been
subject
to
discussion
and
we
could
have
had
a
better
notion
of
what's
going
on.
But
if
lawyers
are
under
the
impression
that
they're
not
going
to
potentially
get
paid
they're
going
to
stop
doing
work.
A
M
Council
chair,
we
have
we've
done
this
for
as
long
as
I've
been
affiliated
with
the
city,
which
has
ended
up
being
since
1988
and
frankly,
three
different
administrations
have
done
this.
The
same
way
now
everyone
seems
to
know
better
than
everyone
else
did
for
over
half
of
the
city's
existence.
This
is
really
really
problematic
and
frankly,
there
is
a
contract.
There
were
contracts.
M
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
I
mean
matt
shank,
he's
the
special
counsel
for
the
council
on
the
audit
issue,
we're
appointing
matt
shank
as
the
city
attorney
to
negotiate
with
our
city
attorney
or
former
city
attorney
or
temporary
city
attorney,
and
you
know
the
council
chair,
I
suppose,
could
talk
to
gary
or
but
match
what
authority
does
matt
shank
camp.
So
we
get
that
bill.
That's
not
for
anything.
He's
special
counsel
for
the
audit.
A
Understandable
but
mr
miyake
is
the
one
that
put
it
in
his
letter.
Did
you
read
the
letter
he
sent
to
you.
A
C
This
is
for
gary
miyagi.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
clarify
the
only
thing
I
find
a
weakness
in
your
argument
at
this
particular
point
is
I've
always
I've
always
had
a
problem
with
somebody
saying
this
way.
We've
always
done
things.
That
would
not
be
enough
for
me
to
say
that
we
don't
need
a
contract.
So
the
only
way
I
would
be
okay
with
not
needing
a
contract
if
one
is
not
needed
as
if
it's
on
charter,
but
just
because
we've
always
done
it.
C
M
M
If
you
recall
correctly
in
terms
of
I'm
not
conceding
anything
in
terms
of
a
position
with
respect
to
mr
shank,
I
am
merely
trying
to
work
on
behalf
of
the
mayor
to
be
able
to
end
up
trying
to
work
out
some
sort
of
revolution
to
provide
for
legal
services
with
people
being
paid
and
because
otherwise
the
city
is
going
to
end
up
having
very
very
serious
problems,
and
this
could
very
well
go
into
litigation
very
quickly.
A
N
A
A
O
Obviously
we
are
coming
into
this
without
the
history
of
all
the
situations
that
have
happened
in
the
past
that
were
just
referenced
by
mr
miyaki
and
mr
roberts,
but
we
agree
that
the
language
of
this
charter
requires
that
council
approve
all
contracts
above
a
certain
dollar
threshold
and
to
the
extent
that
that
hasn't
been
done.
It's
something
that
should
be
corrected
going
forward
and
to
address
issues
that
have
come
up.
O
The
issue
of
the
appointment
of
mr
miyaki
and
his
term
expiring
makes
it
further
complicated
for
those
other
law
firms
that
have
been
working
pursuant
to
some
arrangement
that
they've
had
directly
with
mr
miyaki.
The
city
council
doesn't
appear
to
be
aware
of
the
terms
of
that,
so
it
just
takes
a
little
bit
of
time
to
get
through
it
and
figure
it
out.
But
as
the
council
chair
said,
these
are
not
issues
that
are
insurmountable.
O
It
can
be
done
in
a
way
that
acknowledges
the
dates
in
which
work
was
performed
and
can
be
approved
to
cover
invoices
that
might
have
been
incurred.
Prior
to
that
were
done
in
good
faith
by
firms
that
have
been
you
know
representing
the
city,
but
but
looking.
G
O
Situation
as
it
exists
now
I
don't
see
charter
authority
for
mr
miaki
to
subcontract
other
firms
without
coming
back
to
city
council
for
approval.
That's
just
not
in
the
charter,
and
so
it's
something
that
we
should
address
and
make
sure
the
council's
covered
going
forward
and
that
there
are
approvals
and
contracts
in
place
to
justify
any
payments
made.
A
J
Thank
you,
council,
chair,
so
a
few
things
one
is
we
at
the
few
couple
meetings
back?
We
I
know
that
council,
chair
and
council
members.
They
asked
to
have
something
to
extend
the
current
mr
miyaki
for
a
specified
time,
30
days
or
45
days.
We've
never
seen
that
and
we
just
keep.
You
know
spinning
our
tires
going
back
and
forth
and
we
were
putting
this
position.
J
The
console
was
put
in
this
position
by
the
administration
and
we've
asked
for
for
over
a
year.
You
know
we
wanted
to
get
a
console,
an
attorney
to
actually
can
represent
the
council,
the
city
council,
the
mayor
and
the
city
and
the
residents
at
the
same
time,
and
we
got
to
this
position
right
now
is
because
we
felt
as
a
council
that
we
were
not
getting
council
representation
from
council
for
the
city
council.
J
So
this
is.
This
is
something
that
we
will
put
in
a
position.
You
know
for
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
almost
two
years
that
the
city
attorney
supposed
to
be
city
attorney
is
not
representing
the
city
council
he's
representing
the
mayor
and
pretty
much
most
cases.
So
that's
why
we
requested
to
have
a
different
city
council
or
I'm
sorry,
an
attorney
that
can
represent
everybody
equally
and
not
favoring
one
side
and
not
favoring.
You
know
it's
not
it's
not
talking
about
favoring,
but
just
doing
what's
the
best
interest
of
everyone,
not
just
one
party.
B
I
I
you
know,
I
said
it
before
that
it
doesn't
take
anything
to
extend
someone's
contract
or
verbal
agreement.
B
We've
done
it
in
the
past,
and
this
is
something
that
we
should
have
done
until
all
this
gets
ironed
out,
because
I'm
I
I'm
like
thinking
of
mr
roberts
wanting
to
get
paid
and
if
I
did
the
work,
I
want
to
get
paid
and
I'd
like
to
get
paid
on
time,
and
you
know
he
belongs
to
one
one:
heck
of
a
good
law
firm
there
and
they've
always
been
johnny
on
a
spot
for
us.
B
So
I
don't
see
why
we
can't,
as
a
council
at
the
next
meeting,
extend
something
for
30,
45
or
60
days,
whichever
one
it
is,
and
let
everybody
work
it
out
because
again,
it
was
brought
up
earlier
about
even
prosecutions.
How
do
you
do
it
without
an
attorney
without
a
prosecutor?
O
B
Well,
I'm
not
an
attorney
and
it
that
kind
of
went
over
my
head
a
little
bit
because
I
you
know
in
the
past,
we've
always
extended
contracts
for
various
types
of
businesses
and
what's
not
what
not-
and
I
just
don't
see
what
be
well,
how
wrong?
We
would
be
by
doing
something
like
that,
so
it
got
worked
out.
Yeah
I
think
deals
are
made
all
the
time.
O
You
can
get
to
the
same
point
through
a
legal
services
contract
for
a
specific
period
of
time,
but
you
would
not
be
referring
to
that
as
an
appointment
or
an
interim
appointment
or
an
extension
of
the
term
of
corporation
council.
That's
the
only
distinction,
I'm
trying.
L
B
Would
would
we
be
in
a
wrong
in
approving
the
payment
schedules,
for
these
attorneys
who've
done
some
hard
work?
I
mean
they've
done
the
work,
regardless
of
when
it
when
they
did
it,
we
they
need
to
get
paid,
and
I
think
we
should
authorize
payment
and
I
don't
think
we'll
do
anything
wrong
if
we
do
approve
it.
B
Yeah,
but
we
can't
penalize,
we
can't
penalize
people
for
what
we've
done
in
the
past
or
what
or
what
we're
going
to
do
in
the
future.
Let's
pay
the
bills,
you
know
the
thing
is:
there's
a
good
possibility.
At
least
I
want
the
same
attorneys
to
represent
the
city.
You
know
mr
roberts
firms
and
we
don't
want
to
make
any
enemies
out
of
them.
That's
for
sure.
B
A
E
E
They're
not
they're,
not
representing
just
just
one
branch
of
city
government
that
there's
one
issue
one
issue,
and
that
was
the
hiring
of
a
a
separate
law
firm
to
conduct.
What
was
supposed
to
be
an
audit
of
the
peg
money
and,
and
that
was
it
and
a
lawsuit
was
filed.
A
lawsuit
was
filed
without
even
discussion
or
a
vote
of
the
council,
but
the
city
under
the
charter
has
to
have
a
corporation
council
who's.
A
resident
of
the
city
and
the
the
council
has
asked
for
a
temporary
contract.
E
The
council
chair
has
said
in
the
council
that
gary
can
act
gary
miyake
connect
for
45
days
until
the
pandemic
is
over
so
on
and
so
forth
that
jeremy
atki,
the
city
attorney
or
the
former
city
attorney
has
said.
E
We
can't
do
a
temporary
contract,
it's
not
allowed
for
under
the
charter,
so
I
don't
need
an
army
of
attorneys
billing
the
city
to
negotiate
this.
The
it's
evident
that
the
mayor's
not
going
to
nominate
anybody
else.
It's
evident
that
the
majority
of
the
council
is
not
going
to
confirm
gary,
so
you
know
we
have
to
have
a
plan
to
to
represent
the
municipality
of
the
city
of
dearborn
heights
and
all
the
different
functions,
the
water
and
sewer
issues.
The
issue
of
you
know
bonding
out
the
the
prosecution's
in
court.
E
It's
it's
like.
I
said
several
meetings
ago
we're
at
a
stalemate.
I
don't
need
a
special
counsel
that
was
hired
for
one
issue,
who
really
would
have
a
conflict
negotiating
with
our
former
city
attorney.
You
know
we,
the
council
is
saying
we
want
a
written
contract
and
the
city
attorney
is
saying
under
the
charter.
You
can't
have
a
temporary
appointment
so
that
that's
where
it's
at
the
council,
chair
and
the
mayor's
office
or
all
of
us
need
to
negotiate
and
come
with
a
to
a
resolution
on
this.
H
A
A
H
Okay;
okay,
that
that
you
can't
extend
a
part
of
the
contract
that
just
involves
the
pay
and
because
you
can't
extend
in
a
point
e,
because
we,
you
know,
we
extend
con
lawn
cutting
contracts
and
then
we
pay
them.
Is
it
this?
Is
it
the
appointment?
Part?
That's
that's
the
problem
because
they
go,
they
go
hand
in
hand
or
they
can't
be.
O
Sure
the
charter
speaks
to
a
specific
term
of
office
for
the
corporation
council,
so
that
term
has
expired
by
operation
of
the
charter
as
councilman
constant
just
indicated.
The
charter
requires
that
the
mayor
submit
an
appointment
and
that
the
council
confirmed
that
appointment
before
it
becomes
effective.
O
The
mayor
submitted
a
name
council
did
not
act
on
it
and
therefore
it's
back
in
the
mayor's
court
to
submit
another
name
to
be
consistent
with
the
charter.
The
refusal
to
submit
a
name
is
what's
put
counsel
in
this
position
and
the
city
in
this
position
to
be
without
a
corporation
council
and
it's
a
duty
of
the
mayor
to
submit
a
name
that
council
will
ratify.
H
O
I'm
sorry
I
misunderstood.
Yes,
that's
that's
the
point
I
was
trying
to
make
earlier.
The
council
could
enter
into
a
simple
legal
services
contract
with
the
seacrest
firm
or
with
mr
miyaki's
firm
for
a
specific
period
of
time
for
legal
services
on
behalf
of
the
city
and
that
would
not,
by
its
own
terms,
extend
the
appointment
of
a
corporation
council.
It
would
just
be
a
straight
legal
services
contract
the
same
way:
you'd
hire
someone
to
do
snow
removal
or
grass
cutting.
It
would
just
be
a
straight
professional
services.
Contract.
O
Well,
frequently
for
law
firms
will
present
a
a
type
of
engagement
letter
to
the
city
or
the
city
can
draft
one
themselves
and
send
it
to
those
firms.
It.
G
O
Work
in
either
direction,
but
it's
it's
a
very
simple
process.
It
can
be
done
in
terms
of
you
know.
I
know
that
mr
muscat
raised
our
councilman
musk
had
raised
the
concern
earlier
about
making
sure
that
seacrest
gets
paid
for
services
that
they
performed
if
they
were
to
send
over
an
engagement
letter,
and
it
was
acceptable
to
counsel
that
could
be
done
very
quickly
to
have
a
retroactive
date
to
cover
any
unpaid
invoices
and
it
could
be
approved
and
payments
made
in
accordance
with
that.
H
Great
so
see
chris
waddle
could
could
present
this
contract
to
city
the
request
to
city
council
correct
right
next,
I'm
with
mr
muslim
councilman
musca.
I
think
we,
you
know
they
should
be
paid
for
services
performed
already
all
right.
Thanks
a
lot
appreciate
it.
Madam
chair.
J
Yeah,
so
there
was
a
statement
that
was
not
a
true
statement
that
was
made
two
budgets
ago.
We
approved
a
budget
for
the
city
council
to
have
legal
representation,
because
we
felt
that
we
were
not
getting
representation
from
the
city
attorney,
and
that
was
the
reason
why
we
actually
put
a
budget
about
two
years
ago
or
so
for
having
leave
some
a
budget
for
us.
J
So
we
can
hire
an
attorney
to
represent
us
because
we
felt
like
we
were
not
getting
representation
from
the
attorney
that
was
supposed
to
be
hired
for
the
city.
Okay,
so
that
was.
That
was
the
statement.
It
was
not
it's
not
true
that
we
actually
had
the
money
allocated
just
for
the
forensic
audit,
somebody
to
represent
us
for
the
tech
feeds
we
had
meetings
with
with
the
auditor
raymond
group,
each
council,
member
from
my
my
understanding,
had
a
two-hour
meeting
with
a
raymond
group
and
each
council
member
discussed.
J
What
they
thought
should
be
audited
should
be
included
in
the
forensic
audit.
So
it's
not
just
the
pec
fee.
So
if
anybody
makes
a
statement,
it
has
to
be
an
accurate
statement.
So
the
residents
know
it's
like
for
transparency.
It's
not
just
for
one
particular
well,
like
I
said
you
know
it
was
a
peg
fees.
It
was
various
items
that
the
council,
not
just
one
council
member,
but
all
seven
council
members,
stressed
that
they
have
issues
with
and
that's
the
items
that
are
being
audited.
Not
just
one
item.
A
Okay:
next
we
have
mr
miyaki.
M
Yes,
I
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I
addressed
mr
shang's
statements
in
a
few
ways.
One
there
couldn't
be
a
separate
contract
that
was
just
entered
into
with
someone
all
right.
That's
inaccurate,
under
the
charter.
Essentially,
that
would
be
a
violation
of
separation
of
powers,
the
mayor's
one
who
ends
up
making
the
appointment
for
the
person
who's
general
counsel.
M
Secondly,
the
idea
that
any
contract
over
five
thousand
dollars
needs
to
be
approved
by
the
council
is
not
accurate
under
the
city
charter.
Only
certain
contracts
that
have
a
specific
consideration
of
over
five
thousand
dollars
require
council
approval,
and
I
would
note,
for
example,
that
even
yourselves,
acting
as
members
of
the
city
council
are
in
a
position
where
you're
getting
paid
on
an
ongoing
basis.
You
don't
have
contracts.
M
This
is
not
to
say
that
I
agree
with
mr
shang's
positions
as
stated,
and
I
think
that
he's
seriously
incorrect
with
respect
to
his
interpretation
of
the
uniform
budgeting
act,
particularly
because
under
the
charter,
it
specifically
provides
that
assistant
corp
councils
are
appointed
by
the
corporation
council
with
the
approval
of
the
mayor,
not
with
the
approval
of
the
council.
M
The
council's
way
of
dealing
with
these
issues
is
that
it
approves
all
bills
and
you
know
the
fee
schedule,
so
I
mean
essentially
we're
in
a
position
where
we
have
issues
that
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
end
up
being
able
to
resolve
easily.
But
maybe
we
can
do
something
for
the
city
in
the
meantime,
and
perhaps
the
council
and
the
mayor
can
end
up
working
out
things
more
generally,
but
I
think.
A
O
The
term
that
the
charter
uses
is
to
retain
and
a
point
implies,
an
employee
relationship
where
someone
is
appointed
to
a
particular
position:
the
language
in
the
charter
about
those
positions.
The
reason
council
doesn't
approve
the
appointment
of
an
assistant
corporation
council
is
because
it
was
envisioned
that
those
would
be
employees,
but
council
would
fix
the
compensation
for
those
employees
is
the
language
of
the
charter.
O
O
We
think
that
it
is
not
being
done
correctly
right
now
and
there's
a
very
simple
fix
to
this,
and
so
I
I
don't
understand
the
issue
of
turning
this
into
a
much
bigger
issue
than
it
is
because
the
simple
fix
is
a
short
retainer
agreement
with
a
fixed
term,
so
that
the
city
council
can
utilize
the
services
of
law
firms
in
the
way
that
every
other
city
or
county
does
this
it's
through
a
written
retainer
agreement
with
outside
counsel.
O
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
have
mr
robert
snacks.
N
N
We
give
the
city
a
reduced
rate,
as
we
do
with
all
our
municipal
clients,
and
we
have
many,
many
of
which
are
just
verbal
agreements
with
the
city
that
have
been
lasting
for
decades.
So
there
is
no
requirement
anywhere
that
there
be
a
written
contract
to
retain
counsel.
That's
just
not
accurate.
We
have
some
clients
that,
like
a
written
contract,
we
have
some
clients
that
are
good
with
a
verbal
agreement.
N
No
one,
no
one
from
the
city
has
ever
approached
our
firm
and
indicated
that
anything
had
changed
until
august
11
and
frankly,
nobody
even
informed
our
firm
directly
of
that.
I
got
it
word
of
mouth,
so
I
was
continuing
to
honor
that
agreement.
I
was
in
court
today
representing
the
city
doing
prosecutions,
including
code
enforcement,
which
seems
to
be
a
hot
button
issue.
N
N
We
have
a
number
of
projects
that
are
ongoing
pursuant
to
our
decades-old
agreement
with
the
city
and
suddenly
we're
not
being
paid,
and
if,
if
that,
if
it
comes
to
it,
we
can't
proceed
like
this.
So
I
don't
know
what
arguments
you
have
over
your
corporation
council
and
whether
it's
going
to
be
a
written
contract
or
not.
But
no
one
has
ever
told
seacrest
wardle
that
anything
had
changed.
N
So
I
you
know,
like
I
said
see.
Chris
wardle
is
interested
in
continuing
our
relationship
with
the
city
and,
as
I
said
in
my
letter,
we
need
to
get
paid
and
part
of
the
rate
that
we
thought
we
had.
An
agreement
on
was
based
upon
the
fact
that
you're
a
municipality-
and
we
don't
have
to
chase
you
around
for
fees.
J
Okay,
madam
chair,
real,
quick,
I'm
sorry
I
I
mean
I
I
don't
recall,
pulling
their
their
invoice.
The
only
invoice
we
we
pulled
from
the
last
meeting
was
mr
miyaki,
so
I
don't.
I
don't
know
where
secrets
world
invoices
was
tonight.
I
don't
think
we
denied
that.
I
don't
recall
that.
C
Well,
my
only
concern
was
similar
to
what
we
talked
about
earlier
is
in
regards
to
when
they
work
as
prosecutors.
If
they're
working,
because
mr
shank
was
saying
about
working
in
legal
services
on
temporary
legal
services,
is
that
also
allowable
as
far
as
being
a
prosecuting
attorney,
because
one
of
the
concerns
was,
if
he
process
you
know
one
of
the
attorneys
prosecutes
somebody
and
gives
them
whatever
it
is
that
they
give
them?
Is
there
automatically
void
by
them,
not
being
city
attorneys?
C
O
Yes
and
the
scope
of
service
that
the
council
lays
out
in
that
contract
can
identify
specifically
what
those
services
are
which
can
include
acting
on
your
prosecutorial
on
those
duties
that
is
standard
in
other
communities,
that
they
contract
out
those
services
and
it
is
done
routinely
okay.
Thank
you.
I
guess.
While
I'm,
while
I
have
the
floor,
I
I
didn't
hear
mr
roberts
indicate
that
he
was
opposed
to
presenting
a
contract.
I
just
wanted
clarity
that
that
is
something
that
could
easily
resolve
this
issue.
If
he's
willing
to
present
a
contract.
O
N
N
J
J
Okay,
so
it
was,
it
was
my
understanding.
It
was
just
mr
miyake's
invoices,
not
not
secrets,
mortal
invoices.
A
N
Again,
I
beg
to
differ
august
11th.
The
original
motion
by
mr
mazzy
was
to
pull
the
miyaki
bill
from
the
consent
agenda
and
I
believe
at
council
chairs
recommendation.
It
also
included
our
invoice,
which
I
believe
for
a
number,
including
16..
I
don't
recall
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
there
was
a
motion
made
to
pull
two
invoices
that
day
one
was
mr
miyake's
and
one
was
ours
and
it
was
done
without
any
notice
to
us
and
without
any
reason
that
was
conveyed
to
us.
E
E
So
someone
made
the
point
well,
each
council
person
said
I
want
this
in
the
audit
or
I
want
that
they,
the
council,
only
acts
after
they
vote
as
a
whole.
If
the
council
voted
and
said
no
audit,
the
the
each
count
and
that's
true
in
any
city,
because
cities
can't
afford
it,
does
every
school
board
have
their
own
attorney
separate
from
the
superintendent?
Does
the
superintendent
have
a
budget
for
for
a
lawyer?
E
No
the
city
of
detroit
that
has
had
some
lively
council
meetings,
the
they
have
a
appointed
city
attorney
lawrence
garcia
and
they
have
a
law
department,
the
if
the
city
council-
and
I
don't
think
they
ever
have-
is
going
to
file
a
lawsuit
against
the
mayor
for
something
they
each
get
separate
counsel.
E
The
reason
that
we
have
a
city
attorney
is
to
act
on
behalf
of
the
city,
the
city
of
dearborn
heights
as
a
whole.
Okay,
if
the
bickering
parts
each
have
a
lawyer,
it
gets
very,
very,
very
expensive.
E
I
think
we
need
to
you
know,
look
at
what
other
cities
do
and-
and
the
point
we're
at
now
is
council-
says
we
want
a
temporary
contract
city
attorney
gary
miyake
says
under
the
charter.
You
can't
have
a
temporary
contract
and
I
hear
attorney
matt
shanks
say
I
agree
under
the
charter.
You
can't
have
a
temporary
appointment,
so
we're
at
loggerheads.
The
mayor
has
picked
gary
miyaki,
the
council
says
no,
we
will
not
affirm
it.
E
A
L
It
seems
like
we
never
finished
the
the
conversation
about
the
the
sewer
project.
It
just
was
dropped
and
we
went
right
to
the
legal
portion.
But
if
you're
going
to
have
a
new
lawyer
drop
a
contract
or
anything
like
that,
can
I
suggest
a
paralegal
be
added
to
the
service
so
that
they
can
read
all
the
foia
requests
instead
of
somebody
in
a
back
office
somewhere?
Who
has
no
legal
background
because
you
guys
are
leaving
yourselves
wide
open
for
a
long
potential
lawsuit
for
somebody.
Who's,
no
legal
background.