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From YouTube: Dearborn Heights Study Session - 4/29/22
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The Dearborn Heights Study Session regarding the 2022-2023 Corporate Fund Budget taking place Friday, April 29th 2022 in the Dearborn Heights Council Chambers and via Zoom.
A
B
Within
that
that
amount
of
requested
appropriation.
We
have
16
full-time
professional
positions
at
780
000.
We
have
14
part-time
positions,
220
000
and,
of
course
we
have
two.
You
are
blessed
with
two
district
court
judges
and
with
that
we
we
pay
up
front
45,
000,
a
piece
for
each
judge
and
the
judges.
B
Then
the
state
of
michigan
reimburses
us
100
of
those
costs,
as
we've
discussed
in
other
line
items
in
other
budgets,
we're
moving
in
the
longevity
for
13170
we're
moving
in
the
health
and
life
piece
within
the
personal
services
section
of
the
budget
for
462
000
and
again,
we've
added
the
employer
contribution
for
social
security
and
pension.
You
can
see
that
there
in
blue
line
item
101,
130
726
000
for
another.
Where
am
I
here?
306
000.
B
306
775.,
as
you
move
down
the
page
at
26
you'll
note
at
the
bottom,
there
101
130
81800
you'll
find
two
magistrates
that
are
contractual
43
200
total
for
those
for
those
two
individuals
and
on
page
26
you'll
find
court
fees,
which
is
basically
what
you're
doing
is.
These
are
professional
people
that
don't
work
for
the
court
but
are
but
are
used
by
the
court.
Attorneys
jury
fees,
driver
instructors,
driver
instructor
programs
that
are
coming
out.
B
That
is
our
grant
match
and
we
will
get
to
the
midc
fund
later
on
in
this
presentation,
but
that
is
our
match
to
that
grant
for
10
grand.
What
that
does
is
that
allows
us
to
that
pays
for
attorneys
who
are
representing
indigent
folk,
okay,
that
come
to
the
court
and
we
get
it.
The
judges
and
michelle
have
done
a
great
job
coming
up
with
this
midc
grant.
B
The
ten
thousand
and
then
as
we
come
through
to
to
maintain
the
building,
we
have
seventy
three
thousand
set
up
for
repairs
and
maintenance.
We
have
travel
and
education
and
we
have
legal
library
fees
which,
which
is
a,
must
have
to
have
that,
and
that
brings
us
down
to
the
2.292
million
dollars
any
questions
on
page
26,
27
of
the
discord
budget.
Why.
D
You
have
service
contracts
with
these
people
too,
and
this
is
the
point
that
I've
been
making
for
years
we're
buying
service
contracts
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
we're
not
getting
any
our
value
out
of
service
contract.
Okay,
service
contract
is
supposed
to
be
a
set
fee
and
they
came
out
and
do
this
and
it
seems
like
we
pay
even
travel
time
when
they
come
out
and
do
their
regular
maintenance,
and
this
is
ridiculous.
B
D
D
B
D
But
this
is
what
I'm
saying:
we
buy
service
contracts
yep
and
we're
just
giving
away
the
store.
We've
got
to
negotiate
better
with
these
service
contracts,
because
when
I
buy
a
service
contract
for
fifty
thousand
dollars
a
year,
don't
tell
me
you're
gonna.
I
gotta
pay
you
to
come
here
to
do
the
job
that
you're
supposed
to
do.
That's
top
of
that
service
contract
in
that
service
contract.
B
D
Correct,
I
understand
that
all
right,
but
I'm
just
saying
the
way
these
service
contracts
are
set
up,
we're
not
getting
a
big
value
for
our
buck,
understood.
Okay,
so
that's
I
want
to
make
that
clear
in
this
budget
meeting
that
when
we
get
started
getting
service
contracts,
I'm
not
going
to
be
approving
them.
If
they're
not
written
right.
C
A
Good
point:
I
have
a
question
main
question:
is
there
was
on
part-time?
We
were
at
212
000
for
the
amended
budget
for
2021-22
and
then
the
activity.
Then
the
projected
was
128,
so
it
was
quite
a
bit
less
about
maybe
45
less
than
what
was
it
originally
amended
budget
for
for
2021
22.,
but
then
now
we're
back
up
to
220
000
question,
for
you
is
that,
due
to
covert
that
we
had
quite
a
bit
of
a
drop
in
part-time
and
they're,
not
going
back
up.
E
Yeah
you
figured
during
covid,
we
had
to
stop
our
warrant
collection
officers
from
going
door
to
door
because
we
had
regulations
and
get
guidelines
that
we
had
to
do
to
covet.
Our
work
program
had
to
cease.
You
know
due
to
work
or
due
to
covid,
also
included
in
this
220.
000
is
a
grant
position
that
is
funded
through
the
grant,
but
it's
considered
part
of
our
part-time.
So
we
pay
it's
just
charged
to
us,
but
it
comes
out
of
the
grant
and
that's
I
think,
32
thousand
dollars.
C
E
B
Page,
I'm
sorry
page
eight.
If
you
want
to
see
the
the
finds
and
forfeiture
fees
page
eight
and
what
we
did
to
set
up
that
number.
That's
an
average
of
of
the
last
two
full
years
without
covid,
so
that
would
be
17,
18,
18,
19
and
then
of
course,
1920.
We
ran
into
covid,
but
the
3.191
million
is
basically
an
average
of
those
two
full
years
prior
to
covid
and.
E
Yeah
we
I
mean
it
includes
the
fines
that
we
do
collect
from
the
ordinance
department.
You
got
to
figure,
that's
a
very
small
portion
of
our.
You
know:
tickets
that
we
get
in.
You
might
get
three
400
a
year
that
we
will
collect
on
or
they
get
resolved
or
they
you
know,
come
into
compliance
where
there's
no
fine
that
is
getting
paid
for
those.
So
the
majority
of
our
fines
and
costs
that
are
collected
for
the
city
are
unfortunately
for
traffic
tickets
right
criminal
cases
misdemeanors.
E
If
there's
fines
that
are
assessed
at
that
point
in
time
we
collect
those.
Unfortunately,
those
numbers
have
been
way
down.
Our
civil
cases
have
been
skyrocketed
up,
which
is
your
general
civil
landlord
attendance.
Small
claims,
filing
fees,
there's
no
revenue
in
filing
fees,
there's
so
minimal
majority
of
the
jobs
in
the
state.
So,
as
long
as
you
know,
the
case
loads
been
down
because
you
figure
in
2021
well
2020
when
we
had
covid
when
it
first
came.
E
E
May
you
know
we
didn't
really
collect
anything,
because
we
were
pretty
much
closed
for
business
and
then
in
2021
they
wrote
we
had
about
20
800
caseload,
but
our
and
then
the
revenue
was
1.9
million
at
that
point
in
time
and
right
now
in
2022,
as
of
march
end
of
march,
I
figure
we're
about
5
100
with
our
case
load.
So
if
we,
you
know,
do
the
trends
with
that
we're
gonna
be
just
a
little
more
than
we
were
last
year.
E
E
We
have
it's
like
a
queen
or
king
for
the
day.
Five,
like
monday,
through
friday,
we
have
somebody
and
we
have
a
rotating
basis,
there's
like
five
attorneys
or
five.
You
know
firms
so
that
one
is
in
all
week
this
week
and
then
next
week
we
have
another
one
in,
but
when
somebody
pleads
not
guilty
on
a
case
and
the
case
proceeds
and
they
want
a
court
appointed
attorney
that
comes
from
a
different
list.
So
it's
not
from
the
king
or
queen
for
the
day
as.
E
Yeah,
so
our
king
and
queen
for
the
day
they
handle
all
first
appearance,
so
all
arraignments
free
of
charge
paid
through
this
grant,
so
everybody
has
representation
free
of
charge
to
them
and
then,
if
they
go
to
court
in
custody
everybody's
in
custody,
everybody
has
a
chance
to
speak
to
the
attorney.
Of
course,
the
person
has
an
opportunity
to
wave,
but
we
choose,
we
don't
give
them
that
option.
We
make
them
talk
to
the
attorney.
E
If
they
don't
want
to
talk
to
the
attorney,
then
that's
on
them,
then
excuse
me
and
then,
if
they
should
go
to
court
after
speaking
with
the
attorney,
and
they
still
continue
to
plead
not
guilty,
they
don't
work
out
a
plea
at
that
time.
Then
they
tell
the
judge
they
would
like
a
court
appointed
attorney
and
at
that
time
we
will
appoint
them
attorney
through
the
indigent
office.
We
have
a
regional
office.
E
E
C
E
E
E
E
When
we
were
oh
yeah
for
a
few
months
until
we
got
it
up
and
running,
we
were
doing
just
minimal,
just
you
know
essential
cases
and
then
slowly
working
our
practice
into
being
able
to
function
via
zoom
right
now
we
handle
we're
pretty
much
back
in
person
with
majority
of
our
cases,
except
for
civil,
infraction
cases
or
via
zoom
they're,
still
virtual,
because
we
can
handle
more
get
our
more
bang
for
our
buck.
Doing
virtual.
G
E
They
well
when
you
receive
a
ticket
you,
the
defendant,
has
the
option
to
when
they
request
a
hearing
to
request
an
informal
or
formal
hearing.
If
that
person
does
not
make
a
recommendation
at
that
point
in
time,
it's
automatically
set
for
an
informal
hearing.
Unless
they
request
a
formal
hearing,
then
it
goes
right
to
the
judge
the
reason
to
go
to
an
informal
hearing
first,
is
you
have
the
right
to
appeal?
So
if
you
don't
like
the
magistrate's
decision,
you
can
appeal
it
to
the
judge.
E
A
No,
I'm
not
referencing,
you
specifically
we've
all
done
that
myself
included.
So
let's
try
to
stick-
and
I
know
it's
kind
of
fun
to
find
out
to
have
interaction
with
different
departments.
But
let's
try
to
stick
with
just
the
budget
questions
and
if
you
have
non-budget
questions
of
course
go
at
it,
get
all
the
directors
sit
with
them
for
two
hours
and
have
fun.
B
A
B
B
Okay
yeah:
this
is
the
michigan
indigent
defense
commission
operating
fund.
This
is
a
special
revenue
fund.
The
grant
is
for
a
hundred
ninety
thousand
four
fifty
one.
As
we
talked
about
and
as
michelle
has
alluded
to
in
her
discussions,
we
have
set
up
our
ten
thousand
dollar
match
in
the
general
fund.
The
revenues
have
been
appropriated.
B
The
expense
for
194.51
is
on
page
92..
You
can
see
here.
We
are
156
000
for
attorney
fees,
31
250,
to
help
we
have
a
part-time
staffer
that
assists
the
attorneys
we
get
reimbursed
for
his
time,
and
there
is
also
the
employer
there's
a
transfer
for
the
social
security
piece
of
the
thirty
one,
two,
fifty
that
all
comes
into
a
hundred.
Ninety
thousand
four,
fifty
one
any
questions
here
on
on
this
screen.
A
E
E
Yeah
I
mean
as
long
the
state
will
not
probably
deny
it.
I
mean
they're
going
to
work
on
something
because
they're
very
big
on
wanting
have
representation
for
everybody.
So
okay,
michigan
was
one
of
the
states
that
did
not
have
this
so
this.
These
are
all
different
plans
that
were
approved.
You
know
through
the
state.
Thank
you.
B
A
A
J
B
A
A
L
A
B
B
That
number
will
change
and,
as
we
go
through
the
line
items,
I
will
bring
up
the
changes
that
that
need
to
be
made
to
the
budget
and,
of
course,
and
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
and
all
questions
the
eleven
million
three
hundred
thirty
thousand
one.
Seventy
five
supports
and
pays
for
59
professional
fire
staff,
including
three
open
positions
and
one
full-time
clerical
staffer.
B
F
C
B
You'll
see
salary
tpo
am
I
highlighted
twenty
thousand
six,
thirty,
four:
zero:
zero!
That's
the
mistake,
so
that
number
should
be
forty,
two
thousand,
that
should
be
double
you're.
Looking
at
forty
one
thousand
two
hundred
and
sixty
eight
dollars.
What
I
did
this
this?
How
much
is
that
it's
just
forty.
D
B
You,
okay,
very
good,
okay,
so
that
number
should
be
forty
one
thousand
two
sixty
eight.
What
I
did
was
this
deals
with
the
ordinance
department.
There's
a
staffer
that
comes
from
a
different
department
that
assists
ordinance.
I
thought
it
was
the
fire
department
personnel.
It
wasn't.
It
was
the
mayor's
office,
so
the
41
268,
with
that
line
item,
will
be
increased
to
41
268
and
we're
going
to
take
the
same
amount
away
from
the
mayor's
office.
B
N
A
Welcome
I
had
a
couple
questions.
First,
question
is
on
overtime,
so
that
went
from
the
amended
budget
of
2122
of
400
000,
and
then
the
projected
activity
went
quite
a
bit
up
to
754
000
for
overtime
and
then
we're
back
to
budgeting
to
400
000,
which
more,
which
is
more
along
the
lines
of
the
norm.
But
the
question
I
have
for
the
chief,
or
maybe
for
our
comptroller
dave,
supuda,
quite
a
bit
of
a
jump
in
the
projected
activity
in
overtime.
Why
is
that.
M
So
so
what
happened?
Last
year
we
had
there.
There
were
a
couple
of
factors
that
was,
but
mostly
there
were
three.
The
biggest
thing
is
there
are
three
openings
all
year,
long
that
we
couldn't
get
filled,
and
so
we
have
a
minimum
staffing
that
we
have
to
keep,
because
you
can't
have
a
one-person
ambulance.
It
doesn't
work
as
well,
so
so
in
trying
to
keep
keep
the
staffing
at
the
appropriate
levels
we
have.
We
have
to
go
to
overtime.
M
So,
first
of
all
we
were
short
three
positions
and
so
that
that,
even
though
the
overtime
is
up,
there
is
some
savings
and
salaries.
As
a
result
of
that,
the
other
big
factor
was
covid.
Every
time
someone
tested
positive
or
had
a
close
exposure,
they
were
required.
I
mean
at
one
point
to
take
10
days
off,
you
couldn't
come
back
into
and
that's
after
positive
or
negative
tests
and
everything
else.
M
So
there
was
a
lot
of
absences
relating
to
covet
and
then,
on
top
of
that
we
had
a
handful
of
long-term
injuries
that
that
was
another
big
hole
in
our
in
our
budget.
And
so
having
said
that,
we
we
are
trying
to
recoup
some
of
this
money
through
federal
funding
or
in
the
process
of
of
applying
for,
and
you.
M
M
If,
if
we
have
someone
with
a
paramedic
license,
we'll
actually
put
them
through
the
fire
academy
now,
which
is
we
can't
do
it?
Vice
versa,
because
the
paramedic
academy
takes
about
a
year
and
and
from
the
people
who
start
a
program
usually
about
50
percent,
complete
the
program
with
a
medical,
and
so
that's
a
big
investment
having
someone
that
ends
up
not
qualified
to
to
work
for
us.
So,
but
if
we
start
with
as
a
paramedic
without
the
fire
training,
we
could
send
them
to
the
fire
training.
So.
A
This
high
amount
here
is
directly
correlated
to
the
covet
situation
that
you
don't
anticipate
because
I'm
looking
at
it
chief,
it
looks
like
it
may
happen
again
with
three
open
positions.
It
looks
like
you
may
have
you
know
high
overtime
again,
but
then
your
requested
budget
is
at
400
000,
which
is
the
same
as
well.
It
wasn't
pre-covered,
but
at
least
beginning
of
covet.
So
I'm
just
wondering
did.
Is
there
a
chance?
We
may
go
into
that
high
of
a
number
on
overtime
again.
M
You
know
there's
I
can't
guarantee
that
we'll
get
the
people,
but
I
do
believe
that
will
that
will
recruit
some
some
firefighters
usually
usually
were
we
recruit
from
other
departments?
A
lot
of
a
lot
of
of
most
of
the
fire
of
the
hires
we've
had
have
come
from
other
departments,
even
people
with
seven
eight
years
at
other
departments,
have
come
here
when
they've
taken
a
look
at
especially
pensions
in
particular
compared
to
the
situation
they're
working
in
this.
M
This
is
a
much
improved
situation,
so
they
make
the
make
the
leap
over
here,
and
so
that's
what's
happened
in
the
past,
and
I
anticipate
that
to
continue
to
happen.
I
know
we
have
a
couple
leads:
we're
always
out
recruiting
people
we're
now
doing
paramedic
ride-along
students.
They
have
to
do
so
many
hours
of
riding
along
and
we're
aggressively
recruiting
them
to
come
and
ride
with
us,
which
is
another
way.
M
A
And
I
had
another
question
for
you:
chief
on
contractual
services,
we
had
projected
activity
at
97
000
for
2122,
but
then
the
requested
budget
is
170.,
even
though
the
amended
budget
previously
for
2122
was
at
164,
but
what
actually
was
used
was
97
000
under
contractual
services.
So
why
such
a
high
jump
so.
M
We
we
have
a
big
jump
because
we
started
billing.
I
don't
know
if
you
remember,
but
accumed
we
used
to
take
that
bill.
Acumen
is
our
ems
billing
service
right
and
we
pay
a
percentage
to
them
for
everything
that
we
collect.
We
used
to
take
that
directly
out
of
our
rescue
run
income
line,
which
was
incorrect,
so
we
moved
that
to
contractual
services.
So
that
was
a
big
jump.
That's
ninety
thousand
dollars
and
then
another
thing
we
used
to
build
out
of
our
rescue
run.
Revenue
account,
which
again
was
incorrect.
M
Was
it's
something
called
a
co-op?
It's
a
service
tax
that
we
pay
to
the
state
of
michigan.
Every
ambulance
service
does,
and
that
is
another.
Fifteen
thousand
dollars
that's
coming
out
of
there.
So
so,
if
you
add
those
two
things
up,
that's
why
you
see
such
a
large
jump
in
in
in
that
line.
Item
okay,.
B
Chair
before
you
go
on
and
again
what
you
want
to
do
is
you
want
to
show
gross
revenues?
Gross
expenses
show
the
true
cost
of
the
department
show
the
true
cost
of
the
revenues,
and
that
also
helps
you
with
accounting
principles.
Right.
Do
you
want
to
show
you
want
to
show
your
true
true
revenue?
True
expense.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
M
So
there's
600
000
of
that
would
be
a
new
fire
pumper,
which
is
we
just
we
have.
We
have
two
pretty
old
fire
trucks
that
one
of
them
will
will
be
gone
next
year,
but
we'll
still
have
one.
It's
it'll
be
a
1994
that
we're
trying
to
upgrade
from,
and
so
we
have.
We
we've
submitted
a
budget
and,
and
we
submit
for
engines
every
year
or
pumpers,
and
and
you
know
sometimes
we
get
them.
Sometimes
we
don't,
but
about
600
thousand
dollars.
D
C
D
C
M
So
we
have
how
many,
or
at
least
five
or
six,
I
don't
have
my
on
my
seat
in
front
of
me.
We
have
one
two,
all
of
them.
We
have
seven
vehicles,
total
seven
staff
vehicles
and
five
of
those
are
leased
and,
and
those
are
driven
home
not
all
of
them.
No,
so
the
three
of
them
are
not
there.
You
have
the
battalion
chief
and
the
two
utility
vehicles
are
stay
at
the
station,
so
they
could.
M
M
Correct
so
now
it
just
just
as
some
background,
like
we've
done
this,
with
with
enterprise,
I
mean
we,
we
don't
care
how
we
acquire
the
vehicles,
but
enterprise
has
come
in,
and
we've
all
been
very
happy
with
the
presentation
that
they've,
given
the
vehicles
that
we've
got,
have
been
less
than
state
bid
pricing.
When
we've
done
this
and
and
it's
even
though
it's
marked
as
a
lease,
it's
not
it's
not
a
true.
M
Yeah
it's
in
and
it's
not
like
a
lease
like
it
would
be.
If,
if
one
of
us
leases
a
car,
it's
something
it's
it's
very
different.
It's
almost
like
you
know
at
the
at
the
end
of
it.
You
you
own
the
vehicle.
It's
and
I
mean
it's.
It's
almost
I
mean
these.
These
we're
gonna
own.
We
can.
We
can
make
a
payment
at
the
end
of
these
to
own
them
and.
M
J
D
M
So
it
depends,
it
depends
on
the
vehicle,
but
so
some
of
them
we
did
have
to
equip,
but
but
it's
not
that
these
don't
have
like
a
ton
of
equipment
on
them.
They
just
I
mean
they
have
some
light
bars
and
a
radio,
but
we
already
have
the
radios
most
of
the
time,
and
so
we
we
do
install
those
on
them,
but
that
price
also
includes
all
of
their
maintenance.
Oil
changes
even
breaks
anything
that
we
don't
pay
with.
That's
we
don't
pay.
M
I
M
M
One
of
the
trucks
was
going
to
actually
go
to
south
america
somewhere
they
were
going
to
put
it
on
a
barge
and
but
the
problem
is
they're
they're
made
for
hydranted
areas.
We
have
only
a
500
gallon
tank,
and
so
some
of
the
more
rural
areas
that
might
need
a
fire
truck
need
more
water
than
just
500
gallons.
M
P
M
D
M
And
and
then
you
know
the
fire
truck,
you
know
it's
got
all
the
plumbing
in
it
and
so
imagine
working
on
your
your
house
plumbing.
That's
that
actually
drives
down
the
road,
and
you
know
when
you
get
rust
and
everything
and
when
you
go
to
work
on
one
part,
another
pipe
might
crack
as
you're.
That's.
M
I
I
M
Hiring
three
right
yeah:
if,
if
we
get
our
three,
then
that
then
that
overtime
number
will
be
good,
okay
and
we'll
be
at
the
budgeted
and
we'll
be
at
the
budget
in
a
month,
yeah!
Okay!
So
that's
just
the
big
question
is:
is
finding
the
three
people
and-
and
I
think
I
think,
we'll
I'm
pretty
optimistic-
that
we're
going
to
find
them.
M
F
D
D
You
you
make
a
phone
call
to
you
guys
and
you're
johnny
on
a
spot.
Guys
are
professional,
they
know
what
they're
doing
you
know.
I've
had
relations
with
them
for
on
personal
level,
coming
to
my
home,
for
either
myself
or
or
another
person,
that's
living
in
my
home
or
my
mom
good
fam,
fantastic
job,
fantastic
job.
I.
A
B
B
Okay
you'll:
this
is
the
first
of
two
changes
that
we
have
to
make
and
it's
good
news
very
good
news.
So
if
you
look
at
the
second
line
in
the
blue,
you'll
see
the
employer
pension
public
act,
345
contribution
we've.
When
I
put
the
budget
together
back
in
end
of
march,
we
had
estimated
that
the
fire
department's,
the
employer
contribution
for
the
fire
department
would
be.
B
Zero
nine
dollars,
as
you
can
see,
they're
on
your
line.
Could
you
you
have
that
there
yeah
okay
great,
so
the
actuarial
report
came
out
last
week
late
last
week
on
friday,
I
received
it
wednesday
afternoon
and
that
number
is
going
to
drop,
so
the
actuary
came
in
so
initially
I
had
when
you
look
at
the
police
department
in
the
fire
department,
I
had
estimated
6
million
0
45
in
total
employer
contribution.
B
A
B
B
B
B
B
A
A
B
Okay,
what
you
had
before
is
the
police
department
budget.
We
are
asking
initially,
we
are
asking
to
appropriate
15
million
117
626,
which
you
can
find
on
page
61
in
the
lower
right
hand,
corner
of
your
page
and
this,
this
funds
57
patrol
professional
patrol
officers
and
within
that
57
there
are
seven
open
positions.
A
B
H
H
I
think
where
the
the
challenge
could
be
in
looking
at
the
command
staff
here
is,
is
the
way
our
detective
bureau
is
structured
and
that
we
have
detective
sergeants
who
go
out
and
do
great
work
and
investigations
for
our
community.
So
when
we
look
at
that
title
they're
simply
their
span
of
control
is
themselves.
A
I
C
A
I
A
B
Okay,
so
what
you
have
here
after
staffing
we
set
up
as
is
consistent
with
all
the
other
departments.
We've
set
up
the
applicable
longevity
piece
to
to
the
department
of
45819
you
can
you
can
find
that
in
the
footnote
on
the
first
line
in
that
first
blue
box,
at
the
top
of
page
60.,
then
we've
also
added
in
the
health
and
life
insurance.
B
B
G
B
And
then
we'll
go
to
the
final
number.
Okay
with
that
being
said,
we'll
we'll
go
into
the
capital
outlay
section
of
the
budget.
Well,
I'm
sorry.
The
first
one
is
on
line
818.
The
first
change
is
online.
81800
you'll
see
the
blue
box.
In
the
middle
of
the
page
there
for
contractual
services,
you'll
see
a
community
notification
service.
B
B
Let's,
let's:
let's
control
okay,
then
the
the
last
then
as
you
come
through.
I
want
to
point
out
the
capital
outlay.
If
you
look
at
the
bottom
of
the
page,
we
have
five
patrol
cars,
those
are
replacements
for
175
000
and
then
there's
the
reliable
jag
grant
that
we
get
from
the
federal
government,
replace
bulletproof
vests,
another
20
000,
and
then
at
this
point
in
time,
I'd
like
to
add
in
another
172
000,
and
that
is
for
body
cameras.
B
I'm
sorry
when
we
get
the
confiscated
monies
fund
I'll
bring
in
the
other
180
000
and
I'll
point
that
out
to
you
at
that
time.
For
the
first
and
that's
your
first
installment
for
2324
and
for
24.25
you'll,
see
in
the
general
fund
an
additional
140
000
each
year
to
complete
the
purchases,
I'm
sorry
not
in
the
general
fund,
in
the
in
the
confiscated
monies
fund,
the
140
000
for
the
remain
140
000
each
of
the
two
years
for
body
cameras.
C
B
B
A
So
the
first
first
question
I
had
for
you,
maybe
since
for
the
chief
there's,
been
obviously
some
controversy
and
some
questions
in
regards
to
a
commissioner
that
was
hired.
So
the
question
is
I've:
had
some
residents
call
and
ask
me
this
and-
and
I
promised
I
would
ask
this
question,
how
is
the
commissioner
hired
as
far
as
salary
wise
when
that
was
not
originally
projected?
As
far
as
a
part
of
the
budget?
I
I
I
know
I'd
heard
the
deputy
chief's
angle,
but
can
one
of
you
two?
A
J
J
A
A
I
do
know
that
we're
short
officers-
and
I
know
it's
been
a
challenge,
so
I
know
obviously
it's
a
part
of
it,
but
but
even
with
that
to
have
a
million
dollars
in
overtime
to
me
we
have
to-
I
don't
know
we
have
to
rework
this
thing,
something's
wrong.
Here,
that's
a
that's!
A
high
amount
of
overtime
council.
J
J
A
J
C
H
H
When
those
others
are
combined,
okay,
split
out
individually,
I
could
see
visually
right
that
that's
that's
a
huge
issue
and
almost
a
million
dollars.
I've
been
here
about
60
days,
so
still
very
much
early
in
the
assessment
phase
working
with
the
mayor's
office
trying
to
assess
what
has
traditionally
the
overtime
been
spent
on.
H
Where
can
we
find
ways
to
to
save
the
community
money
in
the
overtime
right
now
we
have
a
lot
of
staff
who
are
doing
a
tremendous
amount
of
good
work
right,
and
I
know
you
all
recognize
that
I
go
to
the
picture
board
outside
the
chief's
office
and
just
from
like
two
or
three
years
ago.
I
can
hardly
recognize
some
of
the
people
because
of
the
overtime
they're
working,
so
it
really
becomes
a
balance
of
wages,
overtime,
staffing,
so
many
different
issues
that
we're
trying
to
look
at
and
trying
to
right
size.
H
So
it's
to
me
it's
an
officer,
wellness
issue.
It
is
a
it's
a
fiscal
responsibility
to
the
taxpayers,
so
we're
very
early
on
in
a
in
a
task
assessment
and
to
see
where
there
are
areas
that
we
can
start
trimming
down
this
overtime.
Obviously
the
overtime's
been
cut
in
the
projected
budget
and
we're
going
to
work
within
those
numbers.
Now
much
like
the
fire
chief
said,
we
can
have
some
critical
incidents
happen
right
that
increase
our
overtime
rates,
you're,
showing
officers
right
now
right,
we're
short
about
seven
police
officers.
H
We
have
at
least
four
dispatch
openings
right
now
we
have
a
command
opening,
so
yeah,
there's,
there's
some
challenges
right
now
and
just
like
the
fire
chief
brogan
had
stated
it's
very
hard
to
recruit
right
now.
You
know
in
this
environment
it
has
been
for
about
two
years,
but
we're
doing
our
very
best
to
try
to
fill
those
positions.
Next
question
I
had.
A
Nixel
and
I'm
familiar
with
that-
I
believe,
dearborn
uses.
That
too,
are
we
just
starting
that
they've
been
around,
because
if
it's
been
around,
it's
not
really
honestly
marketed
at
least
enough
to
get
it
out
to
the
residents
to
start
using
that
it's
basically
a
notification
system
that
I'm
familiar
with,
but
is
that
something
new
or
have
we
had
it
for.
H
H
They're
about
twice
the
cost
of
code
red
and
what
we're
looking
for
is
a
notification
system
that
could
be
easily
used
that
our
residents
can
choose
the
language
that
they
receive.
These
notifications,
in
both
text
to
voice
or
voice
phone
calls
from
staff
members,
so
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
that
code
red
can
do
for
us
and
kind
of
fill
that
gap.
I
know
nixle
is
being.
A
A
H
C
H
Of
the
chip,
so
it's
all
kind
of
this
rollover.
We
have
24
vehicles
that
are
assigned
to
the
patrol
division,
two
supervisors
and
22
vehicles
for
our
patrol
officers.
To
use.
Please
keep
in
mind
when
you
see
mileage
and
next
year,
when
I
have
more
time
to
prepare
for
the
budget,
I'm
going
to
give
you
the
list
of
vehicles
that
we
have
and
you're
going
to
get
the
current
mileage.
So
you
can
see
firsthand.
H
You
know
where
our
vehicle
fleet
is.
These
vehicles
are
not
vehicles
that
we
drive
in
our
daily
lives
right.
They
are
driven
almost
24
hours
a
day,
they're
driven
at
speeds
to
catch
up
to
violators
to
handle
critical
incidents.
So
this
wear
and
tear
on
our
vehicles.
You
know
it
does
take
its
toll
and
they
are
it's
it's
of
course,
taxpayer
money.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
maintaining
them
and
that
we're
keeping
a
fleet
that
is
reliable,
okay
and
the.
A
Last
question
is
body
cameras,
that's
been
around
like
in
our
budgets
and
conversations
and
council
meetings
seems
like
almost
forever
so
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
be
blunt
and
direct
with
my
question:
is
the
police
department
intentionally
and
I'm
being
blunt
intentionally
pushing
this
back?
What
is
exactly
going
on
because
I've
seen
body
cameras
and
we've
talked
about
by
the
cameras
before
your
time
chief?
I
respect
that.
But
it's
been
about
two
three
years,
maybe
more
that
we've
been
talking
about
this.
C
A
H
H
I'm
creating
a
timeline
in
those
few
minutes
that
I
get
every
day
to
try
to
create
a
timeline
on
where
this
kind
of
got
off
the
rails
and
in
as
they're
doing
their
due
diligence,
and
they
have
a
committee.
That's
looking
at
what
is
the
best
use
of
taxpayer
dollars
for
these
body
cameras
and
in-car
cameras
and
some
some
cameras
within
the
building
and
the
storage
right.
We
got
a
grant
and
that
kind
of
seemed
to
kind
of
slow
things
down
a
little
bit.
H
I
can
tell
you
that
I
feel
very
comfortable
at
this
point,
moving
in
the
next
few
weeks
forward
with
a
proposal
to
counsel
on
a
vendor,
it's
very
important
that
we
choose
a
vendor
that
is
very,
very
reliable,
that
is
using
the
latest
and
greatest
technology
and
is
going
to
take
care
of
us
not
only
for
the
end
user
for
the
police
officer.
So
if
a
police
officer
turns
on
their
overhead
lights,
we
want
the
in-car
camera
and
we
want
the
body
camera
to
come
on.
H
At
the
same
time,
right
we
want
everything
to
be
seamless.
We
want
our
records
clerks
to
be
able
to
have
the
very
best,
what's
called
back
end
client,
where
they
can
get
in
and
redact
video
to
send
to
the
prosecutor's
office
or,
let's
say,
monday's
incident.
If
we
wanted
to
release
video
regarding
that
incident
to
the
press,
they
get
a
link
and
they're
able
to
open
it
up.
J
J
J
H
I
figured
that
question
was
coming
so
looking
at
my
notes
here:
five
we
have
myself
the
commissioner,
the
captain.
We
have
an
opening
in
the
captain's
position,
the
db
lieutenant
and
an
on-call
detective.
If
you
include
our
task
force
officer,
that's
in
a
dea
task
force,
they
also
have
a
vehicle
that
is
available
to
them.
Council.
D
I
C
I
H
So
yeah
it's
my
intent,
obviously
to
build
a
multicultural
and
community
oriented
policing
agency.
That's
data
driven
right,
so
I
want
to
try
to
use
as
many
platforms
as
I
can
to
share
that
message
with
our
community
and
what's
going
on
at
the
police
department.
Ultimately,
in
the
next
few
weeks,
I'd
love
to
have
council
come
and
take
a
tour
of
the
building.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
walked
around
the
building
or
not,
but
I'd
like
to
at
times
maybe
break
up.
H
I
I
But
one
of
the
things
that
I
know
other
municipalities
offer
is
a
breakdown
to
the
public
of
what
crimes
happen
in
what
areas,
and
so
every
morning
a
sheet
is
submitted,
saying
where
calls
were
brought
in
where
an
accident
could
potentially
happen,
and
it
shows
the
district
of
the
map
and
it's
set
to
you
know
to
a
you-
can
be
added
to
a
email
list
or
whatnot
or
the
council,
but
just
is
there
any
will
that
fall
under
that
community
news?
Can
we
offer
something
that
to
our
residents?
I
H
It
it's
it's,
certainly
that
will
something
that
we
will
put
on
the
list.
We
are
getting
ready
to
roll
out
in
may
a
transparency
dashboard,
which
was
is
going
to
show
a
significant
amount
of
data,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
rolled
out
appropriately
and
and
our
community
stakeholders
get
a
look
at
this
data
and
have
the
ability
to
ask
questions
before
we
put
it
on
our
website.
Okay
and
then.
I
I
D
Approved
that
and
that's
fine,
I
guess
I
just
brought
that
up
the
one.
The
comment
I
have
to
piggyback
on
yours
and
when
we
got
those
notif
about
the
notification
yeah,
if
I'm
mistaken,
mr
gavin
probably
can
correct
me,
didn't
we
used
to
do
that
when
you
were
police
chief,
we
had
someone
send
out
emails
about
certain
things
going
on
in
the
community.
P
I
You
I'm
sorry
just
one
last
thing,
and
maybe
this
can
go
to
the
police
chief
and
the
fire
chief.
I
know
you
said
they
were
short
on
employees
as
far
as
marketing
that
we
were
hiring.
Can
we
maybe
take
it
to
the
next
level
of
social
media
on
the
fire
page
on
the
on
the
dearborn
heights
page,
please
page,
hey
we're
looking
we're
recruiting
or
the
newspaper
take
advantage
of.
You
know
local
newspapers,
the
pressing
guide,
the
every
american
news,
whatever
it
is
just
so
that
we
can
reach
out
a
little
bit
extra.
I
I
This
is
just
my
thought,
I'm
all
for
cutting
overtime,
but
you
have
to
keep
in
mind
that
a
lot
of
these
employees
that
start
off
in
dearborn
heights
are
very
underpaid.
You
know
a
police
officer
comes
in
making
40
000
a
year.
Somebody
wants
to
work
a
little
bit
of
overtime.
Maybe
we
can
give
them
a
little
bit
of
overtime.
I'm
not
saying
take
the
drastic
amount
of
overtime,
but
I
think
a
little
bit
of
overtime
is
it's
giving
back
to
our
first
responders.
B
B
I
Yeah,
because
I
I
and
what's
funny
is
we
did
our
budget
last
year
and
there
was
a
breakdown
of
each
municipality
and
it
shows
how
dearborn
heights
is
all
the
way
at
the
bottom.
The
airborne
starts
off
at
52
allen.
Park
starts
off
at
47.
redford
at
47
taylor
at
46.,
so
so
dearborn
heights
was
at
37
331
in
10
cents
at
last
year.
So.
I
H
I
H
And
that's
that
balance
that
we
talk
about
with
officer
wellness.
I
would
much
rather
have
staff
when
they're
supposed
to
be
off
home
with
their
families
right.
We
would
all
rather
have
that.
So
that's
the
big
challenge
that
the
mayor
and
hr
and
mariana
in
the
comptroller's
office-
and
I
have
is
how
how
can
we
bring
this
balance
to
the
police
department?
H
C
A
Times
for
fire
and
for
police,
definitely
we
should
be
starting
at
higher
salaries
and
anytime.
You
bring
that
forward,
I'm
gonna
be
all
for
it.
I
still
think
40
000
personally
starting
for
a
police
officers,
in
my
opinion,
too
low,
especially
when
we're
competing
with
cities
like
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
farmington
had
it
out
there
for
56
000.
A
I
believe
it
was
starting
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
so
whatever
we
could
do
to
raise
that,
but
I
also
know
we've
had
this
conversation
with
previous
chiefs
in
that,
and
I
know
I
got
to
keep
that
in
mind
in
that
when
you
have
a
starting
salary,
it's
a
little
bit
higher
at
the
starting
amount.
That's
a
domino
effect
all
the
way
through
to
the
top.
You
know,
as
far
as
the
pensions
as
far
as
the
french
benefits,
as
far
as
to
pay
for
the
next
level
up,
lieutenant
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
A
So
I
I
do
keep
that
in
mind,
but
I'm
definitely
gonna
be
always
for
people
who
put
their
lives
on
the
line
for
us
to
be
paid
much
higher
than
with
due
respect.
Somebody
works
at
a
you
know.
A
fast
food
joint,
you
know,
definitely
should
be
paid
better,
so
I'm
going
to
be
all
for
it.
One
last
question
for
me:
is
reserves:
what's?
Is
there
any
chance
that
we
could
resurrect
that
again
in
our
police
department?
A
H
First,
my
first
priority
is
to
try
to
get
the
police
department
fully
staffed
right,
because
in
order
to
get
the
reserves
in
and
more
active,
we
need
somebody
to
be
in
charge
of
that
program
and
right
now,
we're
simply
overwhelmed
with
a
lot
of
tasks
and
I'm
asking
officers
to
look
and
command
staff
as
well
to
look
at
our
roles
and
responsibilities
through
a
different
lens
and
try
to
be
more
data
driven.
We
pay
a
lot
of
money
for
columbus,
oakland
county
columbus,
but
we're
not
using
the
data
to
its
fullest
extent.
H
So
we're
trying
to
get
the
council
monthly
reports
we're
trying
to
look
at
a
lot
of
things
and
to
now
kind
of
pull
off
to
use
the
reserves,
their
outstanding
resources
for
us.
It's
something
that
I
really
want
to
do.
But
right
now
we
really
have
to
get
some
sworn
staff
in
place
and
we
need
to
fully
staff
our
dispatch
center.
A
lot
of
times
our
dispatchers
get
left
out
of
the
equation
as
well
and
they're,
just
as
valuable
to
us
right.
H
Yes,
yeah
so
there's
times
where
we
have
to
staff
those.
So
it's
you
know
it's
it's
a
challenge
to
try
to
bring
people
in
to
to
keep
them
to
retain
them
and
our
best
recruiters
are
our
staff
right
and
we
need
them
to
feel
good
about
coming
to
work
and
to
feel
valued
in
in
all
respects,
so
they
go
out
and
recruit
people
to
be
their
teammates
and
that's
really
what
what
our
goal
is.
F
H
It
is
it's
multifaceted,
there's,
certainly
there's
a
traffic
safety
program
where
officers
hang
over
or
come
in
early
to
work.
Traffic
enforcement
in
various
areas
of
the
community
there's
a
way.
Maybe
we
can
save
some
money
on
that
by
seeking
some
grants
for
traffic
enforcement.
That's
our
number.
One
complaint
in
the
city
is
traffic
people
almost
daily,
maybe
today's
the
exception
I
haven't
received
one
yet,
but
there's
always
an
email
or
a
phone
call
about
people
drag
racing
about
people.
H
Speeding
going
through,
stop
signs
so
we're
doing
our
very
best
to
try
to
address
those
issues,
but
at
the
same
time
we're
having
you
know:
domestic
violence
cases
come
in
and
other
issues
where
police
officers
are
getting
pulled
to
handle
calls
for
service.
So
we
have
a
traffic
safety
program
that
is
largely
funded
through
our
general
fund.
H
Then
we
have
leave
work,
which
is
we've
gone
below
our
minimum
staffing
levels,
whether
it
be
in
the
dispatch
center
or
in
patrol,
and
we
have
to
call
people
in
on
their
days
off
or
and
call
them
to
to
come
into
work
early
and
there's
overtime
there
and
then
there's
critical
incidents
where
we
have
a
death
investigation
or
an
officer-involved
shooting
or
whatever.
It
is
where
we
need
to
bring
in
additional
resources
to
be
able
to
effectively
handle
that
situation.
H
F
H
We
don't
we
don't
do
that
here.
We
change
chefs
twice
a
year,
there's
an
a
and
a
b
platoon
they
work
12-hour
shifts.
It
is
absolutely
gold
in
recruiting
there's
a
lot
of
good
things
going
on.
I
don't
want
to
lose
sight
of
that
right
when
we
interview
newer
people
that
want
to
be
the
police.
Now,
the
young,
younger
generation,
they
want
external
best
carriers,
we
have
them
and
they
want
12-hour
shifts
and
we
have
them.
We
have
a
defined
benefit
contribution
right,
pension
that
we
have
good
things
going
on.
H
H
Q
I
A
A
I
O
O
We
got
it,
we've
got
to
know,
you
know
what
people
are
asking
for
who's,
getting
everything
and
who's
getting
a
little
bit
of
what
they
want.
It's
just
I
mean
I've
never
seen
that
before
and
also
the
the
salaries
lumped
up.
We
have
to
get
that
before
we
vote
on
anything
with
budget.
We
got
to
get
those
salaries
broken
down.
We
have
no
idea
what
people
are
making
and
that's
that's
very
important.
O
You
know
we're
approving
it
because
I'd
like
to
know
all
the
salaries
and
on
a
lighter
note,
so
anyway,
chief
thanks
for
everything
you're
doing
we
have
an
e-course
pre-cleaning
up,
I'm
just
taking
the
opportunity
to
touch
you
and
the
fire
department
has
makes
a
big
showing
every
year.
It's
next
saturday
may
7th
and
we're
wondering
if
you
could
twist
some
arms
and
get
some
manpower
out
there,
I'll
email
you
a
fly
here
and
also
okay
and
yeah
sponsoring
the
creek
cleanup.
O
A
B
B
B
What
we're
looking
for
here
is
replacing
10
laptops
for
patrol
cars,
22
laptops
for
the
facility
again,
a
replacement.
The
chief
is
looking
for
to
replace
10
apx
handheld
radios,
and
then
you
have
the
240
000
for
the
for
the
dispatch
upgrade
equipment
upgrade
in
addition
to
those
those
expenses
that
you
see
there.
I
would
like
you
to
add
180
000
for
the
for
the
body,
cameras
that-
and
these
dollars
are
being
these-
these
these
expenses
are
being
funded
from
anticipated.
I.
B
B
So
we
would
add
that,
on
this
is
being
funded
by
adjudicated
funds
that
that
would
come
that
are
being
confiscated
and
awarded
by
the
court
and
also
the
fund
balance
of
the
fund.
And
what
we're
looking
at
here
is.
Initially,
it
was
349
000,
with
the
addition
of
the
180,
we've
moved
to
529
000,
and
I
would
be
happy
at
this
point
to
turn
it
over
to
council
for
questions.
A
H
H
We
have
one
back
right
now
to
do
due
to
some
staffing,
we're
doing
our
very
best
to
try
to
get
that
person
into
back
into
their
group,
so
we
can
assure
that
any
seizures
come
back
to
to
our
community.
I
mean
who
doesn't
want
to
spend
criminals
money
instead
of
taxpayers
money
right.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
open
up
that
purse
and
think
outside
the
box
and
start
spending
some
money
for
our
911
system
or
the
body
camera
in-car
camera
program.
B
Mr
chair,
if
I
may
add
on
to
that,
if
you,
if
you
go
to
page
15
in
your
book,
one
five
one
five
one:
five
under
the
revenues,
tab
you'll
see
the
confiscated
monies
and
what
we're
projecting
from
the
pages
that
the
chief
has
alluded
to
we're.
Looking
for
approximately
337
000
in
revenue
coming
into
the
upcoming
fiscal
year
now
granted.
That's
that
has
to
be
adjudicated
and
we're
we're
tied
to
the
courts
on
that.
But
we
think
that's
a
pretty
good!
That's
a
pretty
good
number
for
22
23.
B
We
don't
have
it
broken
down
that
way
as
far
as
the
sheets
go,
that
you
have
there
councilman
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I'm
aware
of
the
programs
here
that
I'm
aware
of
is
there's
a
state
forfeiture
and
there's
a
federal
forfeiture
and
that's
it.
I
don't
know
of
any
local
forfeiture
program
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
the
chief.
Well,
the
reason
I'm
asking
so
let's
say:
there's.
H
So
the
obviously
the
forfeiture
laws
changed.
I
want
to
say
18
24
months
ago,
so
there's
some
there's
some
nuances
to
it.
As
far
as
a
charging
decision
and
other
issues,
for
example,
we
have
about
14
vehicles
that
we're
going
to
request
council
in
the
near
future.
Allow
us
to
auction
off
a
lot
of
those
vehicles
have
been
confiscated
from
owis,
so
drunk
driving
cases
fleeing
eludes.
H
G
A
H
They
go
on
one
line
item
and
then
the
monies
come
in
under
the
state
forfeiture
go
into
another
line
item,
but
nothing
goes
to
us
directly.
That
is
our
money.
So
when
I
say
line
item
I
mean
it
goes
into
our
budget,
okay,
but
there
are
restrictions
on
what
we
could
spend
that
money
on
right
and
we
never
ever
want
to
violate
any
of
those
restrictions
and
get
on
the
naughty
list
either
with
the
state
or.
F
H
H
Actually,
they
changed
it
a
little,
so
some
of
the
rules
have
changed.
They've
loosened
up
a
little
bit
as
far
specifically
for
that
you
know
my
previous
community,
my
first
employer.
We
bought
a
lot
of
squad
cars
with
that
money
so
that
that's
what
we're
trying
to
be
good
partners
in
pulling
some
of
this
money
out
of
these
forfeiture
accounts
and
what
we
are
allowed
to
spend
the
money
on
to
make
sure
that
we're
well
we're
spending
that
money.
D
H
A
K
L
L
L
L
L
B
L
L
G
G
The
officers
are
getting
paid
overtime,
which
it's
fine,
but
is
there
something
that
we
can
do
between
the
court
and
the
police
department?
So
on
court
days
we
can
get
through
these
cases
where
we
don't
have
officers
in
there
from
seven
o'clock
in
the
morning.
Possibly
three
four
o'clock
in
the
afternoon
collecting
overtime.
G
G
G
H
C
H
To
to
try
to
dictate
what
the
court
you
know
how
they
go
through
their
proceedings,
but
we
can
certainly
try
to
partner
with
them
as
best
we
can
to
try
to
reduce
that.
I
have
not
heard
the
complaints
from
the
officers.
Usually
that's
one
of
the
when
I
was
a
young
police
officer
and
was
doing
police
work.
You
know
that
court
time,
when
you
want
to
be
home
sleeping
is,
is
pretty
rough.
G
H
G
F
F
H
So
informals
officers
have
to
come
into
formal
tickets
or
formal
hearings
as
well.
Officers
have
to
come
into.
I
think
what
you're
talking
about
is
a
program
which
is
used
in
other
communities
of
a
ticket
review
process
where
maybe
we
have
a
staff
member
that
goes
through,
looks
at
the
tickets
and
tries
to
determine
if
you
know,
reach
out
to
the
person
that
received
it
and
try
to
mediate.
H
A
B
Excellent
good
to
see
you
tom
all
right,
so
what
we
have
here
is
this
all
right
in
front
of
you,
the
first,
the
first
budget
on
page
80
is
the
general
government
employee
pension
section
of
the
general
fund
budget.
This
is
funded
by
general
by
the
general
fund
and
we
do
get
reimbursed
for
par
partial
for
this
department.
B
What
we
have
here
is
one
part-time,
individual,
basically
working
25
25
hours
a
week
for
50
weeks,
43
hundred
fifty
dollars.
We
have
here
commission
fees
that,
where
you
have
board
secretaries,
getting
paid
for
meetings,
the
fringe
benefits
associated
with
that
there's
some
supply
and
membership
dues
that
we
pay
here
around
750,
and
then
we
have
the
general
city
investment,
pension,
professional
services
line.
B
N
N
N
N
N
They
approved
me
to
be
present
for
or
to
work
for
28
hours
a
week
for
a
full
year,
and
that
would
make
my
cap
at
50
000
nine
hundred
sixty
dollars,
and
that
is
my
cap.
That
does
not
necessarily
mean
that
I
work
all
those
hours
all
the
time.
It
means
that
that
is
the
most,
that
I
will
work
and
be
paid
for
with
police
and
fire
and
general
government
david
and
I've
had
conversations
about
this.
N
This
50
weeks
and
he's
he's
advised
me
that,
because
I'm
part-time,
I'm
not
paid
for
holidays
or
vacation
days,
which
I
understand,
however,
my
pay
was
re.
My
cap
has
been
reduced,
based
on
the
blanket
analysis
that
I
am
going
to
take
x
many
days
and
x,
mini
holidays
when
the
board
has
approved
my
working
for
being
paid
for
whatever
hours
I
work.
For
example,
if
there's
a
holiday
there's
a
holiday
on
a
monday.
Generally,
we
don't
work.
That
may
mean
that
I
may
come
in
on
a
friday
and
work
that
was
acceptable.
N
What
this
budget
does
is
cuts
my
my
cap
and
cuts.
My
way
that
I
can
work
my
hours
for
the
city,
employees,
retirees
and
survivors,
so
I
wanted
to
request
that
that
cap
be
restored
to
the
cap
that
was
submitted
in
the
budget
by
police
and
fire
and
general
government,
which
was
fifty
thousand
nine
hundred
sixty
dollars
maximum,
and
that's
for
your
consideration.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
N
N
If
I
have
to
go
to
the
doctor,
I
don't
those
types
of
things,
so
I
understand
being
part-time
that
you
know
I
I
don't
I'm
not
I'm
not
allowed
to
take
a
vacation
day.
That's
paid.
I
understand
that,
but
I
would
like
that
ability
to
manipulate
my
time
to
best
serve
me
and
am
I
and
who
I'm
working
for
my
my
employees.
A
Of
course,
I
respect
the
fact
that
you
mentioned
that
which
is
fine,
that's
great,
no
problem,
but
that's
something
that
would
have
to
be
taken
to
the
next
level
through
the
administration
coming
back
to
us,
and
then
we
can
make
a
determination,
because
I
can't
make
it
based
on
just
the
person
themselves
telling
me
I
would
need
to
have
my
salary
raised.
Obviously
right.
N
I
Sure
I
got
a
quick
question,
yes
go
ahead
and
maybe
it's
more
of
a
broad
question,
but
this
is
the
third
of
you
know,
second
or
third
time
where
somebody
has
requested
a
budget
and
we're
getting
that
it's
we
don't
see
it.
I
know
you
brought
that
up,
do
we
have
or
does
the
administration
or
the
comptroller
have
what
each
director
has
requested
and
what
we're
at
today.
A
B
So
let
me
refresh
council's
memory
here:
every
department
has
come
in
with
something
a
lot
of
departments
come
in
with
with
as
much
as
they
can
to
cover
what
they
think
they
need
for
the
upcoming
fiscal
year.
Resources
are
limited,
we
sit
down
with
each
and
every
department
head
and
we
iron
out,
and
they
agreed
to
this
the
the
recommended
number
that
we
go.
We
go
with
yeah.
B
I
don't
have
all
of
those
okay,
I
don't.
I
didn't
start
the
process.
Okay,
I
don't
have
them
so
I
went
in
with
what
we
what
we
met
with
each
department
head.
We
met
with
each
section.
We
came
in
with
going
through
their
budgets
and
going
through
their
requests,
and
we
then
we
then
went
from
there,
so
we
would
have
to.
I
B
We
talked
to
them,
we
go
through
it
and
we
say
this
is
where
we
are.
We
just
went
through
this
again
with
with
the
city
clerk,
okay,
and
we
thought
we
had
an
arrangement
and
and
an
agreement.
She
came
back
and
said:
no.
We
had
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
we
worked
that
out.
Thank
you.
Okay
and
and
that'll
be
part
of
the
final
budget.
Okay,
but
then
you
also
heard
from
miss
from
the
recreation
department.
I
B
A
C
B
Remember:
okay,
the
mayor
is
presenting
the
mayor
and
the
administration
is
presenting
a
budget
okay
and
we
sit
down
and
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
with
the
department
to
iron
out
all
those
issues.
Okay
and
it's
the
council's
job
to
go.
Oh
if
this
is
what
the
how
the
mayor
wants
to
run
the
city
as
the
administrator,
it's
your
job
as
the
council
to
appropriate
or
not
appropriate.
B
C
B
I
And
I
want
you
to
also
keep
in
mind
that
the
people
that
are
coming
over
here
that
are
requesting
certain
budgets
sure
are
also
from
the
mayor.
So
the
mayor
doesn't
have
a
specialty
in
parks
and
recreation,
so
he
hires
a
parks
and
recreation
director
right
was
a
specialty.
So
you
have
to
understand
that
when
I
see
the
park
recreation
director,
I
see
the
image
the
mirror
of
who
what
the
mayor's
expected.
I
B
A
minute
no
wait
a
minute.
No,
it
does
look
at
the
end
of
the
day.
You
have
you
have
professional
staff
presenting
a
professional
handout
to
the
mayor,
so
that
and
the
mayor
has
sat
in
every
budget
meeting,
almost
every
budget
meeting
that
we've
had
okay,
barring
him
being
called
out
for
certain
issues
on
certain
times.
B
So
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
is
a
professional,
a
professional
system
and
granted
every
whether
it's
the
fire
chief,
it's
the
police
chief,
it's
recreation,
everybody
came
in
with
higher
numbers
everybody
did
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
they
make
their
case
to
the
to
the
mayor
and
his
team.
There's
a
lot
of
discussion
on
what
goes
on.
Remember
he's
getting
elected
too
and
he's
presenting
to
you
a
complete
package
to
what
he
feels
is
the
best
for
for
the
city.
I
I
B
I
B
B
I
I
B
B
M
A
N
What
I'm,
what
I'm
saying
is
that
actually
my
pay
is
through
police
and
fire
is
there's
about
30
percent,
that's
paid
by
the
city
government.
The
rest
is
paid
by
police
and
fire.
But
what
I'm
saying
is
that
my
cap
was
set
at
fifty
thousand
nine
hundred
dollars.
That's
the
maximum
that
I
could
earn
in
a
year,
and
I
wanted
it
restored
to
that
rather
than
reduced,
because
the
reduction
does
not
give
me
any
room
to
do
anything
that
I
was
brought
here
to
do
and
what
my
employment
agreement
when.
N
B
The
public
safety,
public
safety,
general
government
employees,
pension
system,
yep,
okay,
now
what
you
have
here
now
now
what
I
want
to
do,
mr
chair,
I
have
a.
I
have
a
handout!
Yes,
okay!
Well,
let's
do
that
and
at
the
end,
okay,
very
good.
Okay.
So
what
you
have
here
on
the
public
safety
pension
side?
This
is
the
general
operations.
B
There
is
another
gentleman
that
that
works,
the
public
safety
pension
side,
this
person-
I
gotta
flip
the
page
here-
sorry
about
that
on
page
82,
there's
another
gentleman
that
works
23
hours
a
week
for
50
weeks
for
the
public
safety
pso
pension
system.
He
does
the
same
thing.
He
works
with
the
retirees
he
works
with
the
active
employees
in
various
retirement
matters.
B
B
You
have
two
two
individuals,
one
handling
general
city
and
leaning
into
public
safety,
and
then
you
have
another
person:
who's
run
who's
really
working
with
public
safety,
and
these
guys
do
a
a
nice
job
for
us
and
they
they
work
with
the
retirees
and
they
work
with
the
actives
to
to
make
sure
pensions
run
smoothly.
Any
questions
here
on
patreon
questions
on.
I
I
B
A
This
particular
point:
well,
let's,
let's
go
ahead
and
first
go
into
questions
from
the
audience,
I'm
going
to
go
to
questions
from
zoom
and
then
for
those
what
the
comptroller
is
referencing.
There
was
a
document
that
was
dropped
off
to
us
council
members
about
a
week
week
and
a
half
ago
by
president
mr
zohair
abraham.
A
P
A
P
A
Okay,
so
that's
all
okay!
Thank
you,
john
okay,
any
okay!
So
now
I'm
going
to
have
the
controller
he's
going
to
there's
nobody
else
on
zoom
yeah.
No,
I
did
ask
earlier.
I
didn't
there's
nobody
so
now
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
get
into
the
comptroller
has
a
presentation
put
together,
which
answers
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
were
put
forward.
There
were
eight
questions
at
the
time
by
mr
abdullah.
What's
going
on
controller,
okay,.
B
B
B
So
on
page
32,
you'll
notice
line
item
101,
200
716
point
200.,
they'll
it'll
be
hospital,
dash
gen
go
okay.
What
that
is,
is
you're
paying
for
general
city
retiree
health
care.
So
we
are
obligated
under
various
contractual
agreements
to
pay
for
health
care
retirement
for
retirees
and
with
that
you
can
see
online
at
them.
Seven
one
six
point:
two
hundred
one
point:
three:
eight
four
million
dollars
that
covers
the
general
city
retirement
and
that's
paid
from
the
operating
levy
of
the
city.
B
Okay,
1.384,
the
next.
The
next
line
that
I
want
to
draw
your
attention
to
is,
as
you
come
down
page
32
you'll
see
public
act,
345
insurance.
So
what
happens
here
is
this.
Is
the
public
safety
retirees
insurance
costs
we're
estimating
through?
We
have
a,
we
have
a
a
professional
coming
out
of
plant
moran
that
estimates
these
costs
for
the
upcoming
fiscal
year,
mr
trionfi,
and
with
that
we're
estimating
three
million
seven
hundred
sixty
four
thousand
seven
hundred
and
thirty
two
dollars.
B
Now,
when
we
levy
for
that
the
expenses
and
the
revenue
stay
in
the
general
fund,
those
dollars
don't
go,
don't
go
to
the
to
the
trust
or
they
don't
go
to
the
the
trust
board.
We
do
run
the
expenses
through,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
I
don't
want
to
get
into
an
accounting
situation
here,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
public
act
345
the
portion
of
public
act
345
levy
to
cover
this
cost
stays
here
in
the
general
fund.
B
345
expenses
and
council
chair
pro
tem
had
questions
when
this
first
came
up
when
we
were
at
the
the
10
000
foot
level.
Looking
down
at
the
budget
questions
regarding
the
663
200
number,
this
number
is
the
operating
expenses
of
the
public
safety
portion
of
the
pension
system
for
for
their
operation
in
the
upcoming
fiscal
year.
Now
I'm
going
to
pass
this
out.
B
B
If
you
go
to
the
page
on
the
handout,
you
will
see
the
proposed
budget
that
the
board
requested
for
professional,
consulting
fees,
six
hundred
and
two
thousand
dollars:
commission
fees,
fifty
thousand
dollars
travel
and
education.
Ten
thousand
dues
and
memberships
500
office
supplies
300
for
a
total
of
663
191,
and
that
ties
to
what
you
see
on
the
line
item
online
101,
200,
722.002,.
A
N
N
000.,
so
the
increase
is
due
to
the
increase
in
cost
to
manage
the
fund,
our
we
have
investment
manager.
We
have
fund
managers,
we
have
several
funds
that
are
baked
into
this
estimate.
So
what
I
did
was
I
took
last
year's
I
mean
I
took
the
the
invoices
for
each
fund
manager,
our
consultant,
our
our
our
bank
comerica
bank,
are
legal
which
would
be
times
group.
P
The
increase
and-
and
so
we're
also
asking
the
the
administrator
to
predict
kind
of
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
future.
Well,
you
know,
obviously,
the
stock
market's
come
down,
but
the
stock
market
could
turn
around
and
go
back
up
if
this
ukraine
war
stops
if
inflation
dames,
so
you
never
really
know
where
you're
going.
So
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
budget
and
she
uses
the
december
invoices
and
projects
four
quarters
at
that
to
come
up
with
the
fun
with
the.
P
P
D
D
D
P
D
Q
As
you
understand,
asset
based
arrangements
with
your
professional
consultants
is
the
norm
in
terms
of
paying
your
your
managers
to
manage
your
assets,
as
you
understand,
with
over
200
million
dollars.
It's
actually
a
good
thing
when
you
pay,
when
the
fee
goes
up
as
a
percentage
of
assets
because
you're
making
money
your
assets
are
going
up.
Q
So
if,
from
the
standpoint
of
your
managers
being
paid,
it's
no
different
than
you
know
what
a
general
fidelity
or
vanguard,
they
get
a
percentage
of
assets
as
as
as
management
fees,
and
so
the
structure
and
the
board
is
very
cognizant
of
making
sure
that
the
fee
arrangements
that
they
do
pay
to
their
managers
are
are
reasonable
and
within
industry
standard
and
there's
most
efficient
way
to
do
it.
It's
just
an
unfortunate
it's
a
cost
of
doing
business.
Q
You
need
professionals
to
to
manage
the
assets,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
from
the
management
the
fees
are,
the
fees
are
industries
low,
as
well
as
the
performance.
Your
that
you
receive
is
is
been
significantly
as
an
outperformer,
so
they
are
cognizant
as
the
pension
boards
of
the
costs
and
they
want
to
manage
the
assets
as
efficient
and
effectively
as
possible.
Q
B
Yesterday
we
have
one
more:
we
have
one
more
one
more
line
item
here
and
one
more
handout.
So
as
you
come
down,
any
other
questions
on
663
were
set.
So
then,
with
that
the
next
line,
101
200,
722
.003
and
then
the
following
line-
item
101
200,
722
.004,
the
one
million
zero
sixty
two
five
hundred
and
the
four
forty
four
nine
hundred,
that
is,
your
opeb
other
post
employment,
benefit
pre-funding
dollars
for
the
public
safety
pension
system
and
for
the
general
city
pension
system.
B
Now
we
are
in
the
midst
of
doing
the
full-blown
actuarial
study
with
nyheart
at
this
time,
so
we've
appropriated
the
same
dollars
as
last
year
to
contribute
again
and
remember
we're
doing
this
in
accordance
with
public
act.
State
public
act,
202
of
2017.,
so
we're
this.
This
is
the
city's
contribution
to
to
to
pay
for
future
on
other
post-employment
benefits,
which
are
life
and
health
insurance,
foreign.
A
B
B
I
do
have
an
extra
one
here:
okay,
so,
as
you
can
see
here,
when
you
look
at
the
lines
you
have
the
employer
contribution
rate
for
the
police
department.
The
2.907
million
is
the
that's
we
talked
about
this
morning,
which
is
the
employer
contribution
for
for
police
and
the
2279
686
is
for
fire
and
that
comes
out
to
5
million
186
935,
and
that
comes
right
from
and
I'm
guys
I'm
sorry.
B
B
B
B
That's
correct
with
with
the
change
in
that
that
we
went
through
this
morning
that
that
would
have
been
that's
a
90
annual
savings
to
the
average
taxpayer
here
in
debra
heights.
So
so,
when
we,
if,
if
I
may
now,
if
you
look
in
your
book,
you'll
have
the
resolution
you
have
you'll
have
the
resolution
in
your
book.
A
Okay,
so
for
those
con,
so
for
those
council
members,
I
had
a
conversation
with
the
comptroller
about
this
and
on
the
resolution
because
we're
using
a
different
format
than
had
been
used
in
the
past.
I
asked
the
comptroller
at
one
of
our
last
meetings
to
go
over
that
particular
resolution,
which
also
spoke
with
the
chief
of
staff
mariana,
and
they
said
they
had
plans
to
go
over
it,
but
I
said
I
want
to
go
on.
A
B
Out
on
page
one
of
the
resolution
you'll
see
the
we
line
up
the
rates
for
you
that
are
going
to
go
on
the
tax
bill
for
the
upcoming
fiscal
july,
1
levy
and
you'll
see
eight
dollars
and
ten
cents.
Eight
point:
one:
zero,
eight
six!
If
you
see
that
on
page
one
of
your
resolution,
that's
gonna,
I'm
gonna
change
that
to
seven
dollars.
Seven
point:
five:
zero:
five:
nine
five!
Nine!
Thank
you,
sir
great
great,
okay.
Okay,
any.
A
P
Well,
our
pensions
are
not
underfunded,
but
obviously
we
all
know
that
the
health
care
plan
is-
and
so
I
think,
through
our
legal
counsel,
we're
going
to
follow
that
legislation
and
hopefully
we
will
apply
for
any
grants
that
would
be
available
for
the
city
to
capture
and
or
work
with
the
city
administration
to
get
that
grant
money
into
to
help
fund
the
underfunded,
opeb
costs
that
we
know,
and
so
I
hopefully,
like
I
said
we're
going
to
be
following
that
legislation.
Hopefully
something
comes
about
with
that.
So
that's.
K
K
A
Will
find
out,
but
I'd
like
to
add,
though
yes,
because
I
you
don't
want
the
residents
getting
the
impression
like,
let's
use
the
number
of
seven
hundred
thousand,
you
don't
want
the
residents
to
get
the
impression
that
the
city
is
giving
them
seven
hundred
thousand,
there's
money
that's
being
put
in
from
their
own
money.
I'm
talking
about
the
particular
officer's
own
money.
A
K
A
K
In
one
way
or
another,
yes,
the
resident
paid
that
money
the
taxpayer
paid
that
money,
because
that
money
was
put
into
the
pension
by
the
city.
Then,
when
you
give
them
five
years
or
seven
years
depend
on
their
rank,
they
take
from
the
pension
from
that
fund
and
they
put
it
in
the
drop
program
which
they
collect
benefit
on
it
and
interest
on
it
too.
K
So
when
we
all
I'm
saying
when
we
want
to
compare,
let's
compare,
I
am-
was
giving
him
salary.
If
you
give
them
in
my
calculation,
twenty
thousand
dollars
each
police
officer
today
on
their
salary
in
the
long
run,
if
they
do
not
collect
seven
or
five
years
from
the
pension,
we
will
be
ahead
as
a
city.
We
will
not
be
putting
more
money,
and
I
would
ask
anybody
actually
to
do
this
calculation
you
find
out
the
taxpayers
will
be
ahead
and
pay
less
money.
For
that.
A
On
the
other
hand,
though,
just
to
be
a
devil's
advocate.
Yes,
there
is
some
advantages
to
the
drop
program.
So
when
you
have
somebody
that
is
in
a
skilled
position,
such
as
a
chief,
you
know,
whoever
it
is
that's
in
the
city
that
has
a
skilled
position
and
has
20
30
whatever
it
is
years
of
experience
that
same
person
can
go
even
if
they're
receiving
a
pension
here
can
go
and
work
for
hypothetically
livonia
right.
A
So
to
me,
if
he's
a
valuable
member
of
our
city
administration,
you
don't
want
somebody
with
that.
Much
skill
set
and
experience
going
over
to
livonia.
He
can
still
collect
both
both
fees
because
he
can
collect
a
salary
in
livonia,
hypothetically
and
a
pension
here.
Instead,
we're
keeping
them
here
in
in
in
keeping
his
skill,
set
knowledge
and
experience
to
our
advantage.
I'm
not
telling
you
it's
a
perfect
program,
but
what
I'm
telling
you
is
there
is
some
advantages
too.
It's
not.
K
All
that
I
agree
with
you
hundred
percent,
but
at
the
same
time,
in
the
opposite
token,
you
will
not.
You
will
not
be
able
to
hire
a
new
pay
people
and
train
them.
You
know,
because
you
are
stopping
hiring
new
people
for
five
or
seven
years
and
if,
within
seven
all
this
time,
25
years
of
service,
the
police,
chief
or
captain
or
sergeant
did
not
train
those
people
who
are
coming
from.
You
know
the
street
to
the
our
police
department.
K
If
they
didn't
train
him
enough
to
become
sergeant
in
the
you
know,
lieutenants
and
captains,
that
means
they
failed
in
their
job.
I
agree
we
want
to
keep
the
expertise,
but
at
the
same
time
you
want
to
give
a
chance
to
the
new
graduate
in
the
new
faces,
which
you
pay
him
lot
less
than
the
ones
who
are
in
the
hundred
thousand
dollars.
C
K
So
this
is
my
argument
for
you
that
I
would
like
to
see
new
faces
and
give
him
given
you
know
five
or
ten
thousand
dollars
more
in
salary
every
year
to
attract
good
officers,
good
graduate
and
you
will
be
if
you
do
the
right
calculation-
and
I
ask
any
actuary
to
do
that.
I
ask
the
city
to
do
that.
You
will
find
out
that
we
will
come
ahead
and
we
will
make
more
money.
The
other
thing
we
have
passed
resolution.
B
B
B
B
Is
no
we
do
not.
This
is
a
budget
okay.
This
is
this
is
not
the
balance
sheet.
This
is
the
income
statement
and
you
don't
budget
for
a
restriction
in
this
document.
If
the
council
decides
to
reserve
unrestricted
fund
balance,
that's
a
separate
action,
okay,
and
that
is
not
part
of
the
product
that
is
not
part
of
I'm.
B
C
B
K
B
The
answer
to
that
question
is
no,
and
we
wouldn't-
and
I
wouldn't
recommend
that
to
do
that
with
the
council
at
all.
So
at
the
end
of
the
day,
what
would
happen
is
the
council?
I
would
recommend
to
the
council
that
they
would
make
a
request
to
the
pension
board
to
liquidate
investment
if
they
had
to
in
order
to
make
that,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
in
order
to
provide
basic
city
service,
you
cannot
set
aside
2.1
million
dollars
for
that
for
that
type
of
requirement.
B
K
K
Why
should
we
have
a
liability
or
possible
liability
in
the
future
of
over
2
million
dollars
over
our
head
and
if
they
never
asked
for
it,
let's
take
it
out
during
the
negotiation
totally
it
shouldn't
be
there.
My
last
question
is
the
cso
projects
you
we
have
around
over
30
million
dollars
for
future
projects.
We
have
around,
I
would
say
16
million
dollars
from
the
bond
and
what's
left
whatever,
are
we
going
to
bond
some
extra
money
to
complete
those
projects?
K
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
everybody
for
giving
me
the
extra
time
to
ask
my
question.
Thank
you,
mayor
for
allocating
money
for
the
maintenance
of
all
the
properties,
the
city
owned,
because
it's
about
time
that
we
have
a
program
to
maintain
every
building
every
place
in
this
city
and
to
budget
for
it.
I
thank
you
for
it.
A
Anybody
else
in
the
audience
come
on
up
mike.
I
know
you
like,
but
I
always,
as
I
always
ask
people
to
go
up
to
the
podium
if
they
are
somehow
in
any
way,
shape
or
form
affiliated
with
the
city.
I
always
ask
them
to
say
if
they're
speaking
as
a
city
person
or
as
a
resident,
just
as
just
as
a
resident,
okay
go
ahead,
name,
city
and
street
mike.
R
Blackburn
arnold
street
derwent
heights
a
few
things
that
were
said
at
previous
council
meetings
in
the
past.
We
know
previous
council
means
people
talked
about
union
contracts,
not
being
filled
and
being
passed,
and
the
mayor
had
said
that
if
he
had
to
give
union
members
raises
that
to
say
would
have
to
file
for
bank
bankruptcy.
There's
also
a
quote
a
few
meetings
back
that
you
can
either
have
quality
leadership
or
you
can
pay
your
employees
a
living
wage
or
half
and
half,
and
you
need
to
choose
wisely.
R
R
You
have
to
find
a
way
to
balance
whether
it's
paying
your
employees,
a
living,
wage
or
half
and
half
trying
to
find
that
balance
where
you
can
get
some
half
and
half
where
employees,
especially
ones
without
contracts.
There's,
if
I
believe
right
now,
there's
three
contracts
that
this
city
is
negotiating
with,
there's
two
more
expiring
june
30th
and
one
of
them
is
mine.
So
there's
five
contracts.
You
got
a
lot
of
employees
that
are
being
hit
with
inflation,
everything
else
that
needs
some
kind
of
boost.
R
R
A
A
I've
asked
the
council
members
to
stay
away
from
the
negotiations
part
because
that's
something
between
the
union
members
and
administration,
at
which
point
once
an
agreement
comes
up
between
all
parties.
Then
it
comes
forward
to
us
as
a
council
body
to
approve
it
or
you
know
obviously
possibly
deny
it
and
that's
when
we
would
possibly
speak
of
it.
But
at
this
point
obviously
we
can't
comment
on
that.
So
thank
you,
though
any
other
members
of
the
audience
comptroller.
You
had
a
question.