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From YouTube: Dearborn Heights Study Session: 10/16/2018
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Study Session regarding contracts, taking place Tuesday, October 16th 2018.
A
A
C
Long
and
hard
after
the
contract,
as
we
believe
it
was
ratified
toward
the
end
of
December
2018,
essentially
in
front
of
a
different
floor.
You
have
a
lot
of
new
board
members
here,
so
there
was
a
dispute.
We've
been
got
like
that
several
times
at
least
doesn't
know
exactly
forth
and
we've
come
to
an
agreement
essentially
on
everything.
C
C
A
A
B
C
D
If
I
may,
there
I've
had
a
fair
amount
of
involvement
in
this
particular
matter,
and
what
was
railed
on
all
has
indicated
is
is
is
accurate.
The
point
of
basically
doing
the
additional
negotiation
has
been
to
essentially
try
to
work
out
the
differences
and
say:
look,
we
believe,
there's
a
ratified
contract.
You
don't.
If
we
resolve
these
issues
with
you,
then
everyone
will
be
in
agreement.
D
We
have
a
ratified
contract
and
we'll
be
we'll
be
done,
and
that's
the
real
issue
and
as
as
Beth
has
indicated,
and
indeed
it
seems
like
the
issue-
is
that
they
won't
allow
for
there
to
be
what
we
would
call
tie
barring
or
linkage
to
make
sure
that
everyone
is
an
agreement
that
if
there
is
an
agreement,
it
includes
these
mo
use
that
are,
we've
been
told,
are
acceptable,
but
for
some
reason,
known
will
agree
to
all
of
them
being
linked
together
in
one
document,
and
it
makes
no
sense
frankly.
Can.
C
B
You
know
I
just
needed
clarification,
I'm,
sorry,
because
I
mean
it
was
mentioned,
a
couple
of
meetings
back.
You
know
when
I
brought
up
the
issue
with
the
deep
you
contract.
You
know
the
mayor
says
no,
we're
done.
You
know
it's
already
been
sign.
It's
finished
so
that
I
was
just
needed,
a
clarification,
because
you
know
we
talked
to
various
people.
They
said
no
we're
not
done
so
eat
here.
C
A
A
E
F
F
F
No,
we
didn't,
but
we
are
now
I
mean
I'm,
just
telling
you
honestly
and
I
negotiate
contracts
for
a
living
and
I
realize
they're
not
as
complex
as
these
clearly
but
to
be
here
today,
honestly
in
late
October
from
almost
a
year
ago,
and
it's
still
not
done
for
something
that
was
supposed
it's
supposed
to
be
done
over
with
everybody's
in
agreement.
Even
if
there
was
an
issue
later
on,
it
still
doesn't
make
sense
in
my
brain
that
we
are
here
today,
almost
a
year
later,
either
somebody's
not
doing
good
negotiations
or
manin.
F
It
seems
such
a
simple
process
because
we
were
even
even
if
we
I
mean
it
was
signed.
We
agreed
everything
right
which
it's
supposed
to
be
at
100%,
but
let's
pretend
hypothetically,
it
was
at
95%
and
it
was
still
that
five
percent
that
would
bit
you
guys
and
the
Union
we're
not
in
agreement
on
it
still
should
not
take
for
those
little
bits
and
pieces.
F
This
long
due
respect
to
you
and
Union,
so
maybe
both
sides
I'm,
not
sure
I'm
not
involved
in
negotiations
directly,
but
it
makes
no
sense
that
we
are
here
today
in
October
and
it's
still
not
a
done
situation.
I
know
you
said
they're
getting
all
their
benefits,
pensions,
etc.
That's
great!
That's
that's
good
I
mean
that's
what
we
want,
but
I
mean
we
should
go
round
and
round
with
this
and
honestly
I'm
just
honestly
looking
at
it,
it
looks
like
we're.
F
F
Are
we
even
negotiating
I
mean
it
no
matter
what
you
negotiate
doesn't
take
a
year
like
I
said
hypothetically
was
five
percent
that
we're
in
disagreement
on
just
hypothetically,
without
knowing
what
the
details
are
because
I
know
some
things
you
can't
discuss
that
were
part
of
negotiations.
Why
are
we
here,
a
year
later,
almost
and
still
not
done
so
either
somebody's
not
doing
good
negotiations
or
one
side
or
the
other
just
doesn't
want
to
get
it
done,
doesn't
make
sense.
It's
just
not
logical
to.
F
If
we
said
this
to
a
third
grader,
they
would
say
it's
not
logical
that
we
are
here
today,
almost
a
year
later
and
honestly,
I'm
just
telling
you
myself,
I'm
disappointed
in
people
that
are
negotiating
on
both
sides
that
we
are
even
here
today.
Minh
take
sense,
I'm,
trying
to
make
sense
of
it,
but
I
can't
make
sense
of
it.
Well,.
C
Again,
I
feel
your
frustration,
I'm
frustrated
as
well,
I'm
sure
the
Union
is
as
well
I
think
if
our
side
could
be
assured
that
the
the
contract
which
I
feel
we
have
it
and
the
mo
use,
would
all
be
passed,
I
think
we
would
all
be
happy
and
we
would
walk
away
from
this
table
with
a
fully
signed
agreement.
Come.
A
G
G
D
There
is
something
that
was
raised
by
councilman,
Abdullah
and
I.
Think
that
that's
the
case,
without
going
into
too
much
detail
and
not
end
up
doing
something
that
might
be
counterproductive.
My
sense
is
is
that
we
have
a
real
problem
with
nibbly,
which
I'm
sure
you're
familiar
with
as
a
negotiating
technique.
We
get
to
a
certain
point,
all
of
a
sudden,
a
little
bit
more
has
to
end
up
being
given
a
little
bit.
More
has
to
end
up
being
given
and
I
basically
told
the
business
agent
as
far
as
I'm
concerned.
D
This
was,
it
seems
we
have
a
real
with
nibbling
and
he
turned
red
and
walked
out
of
the
room
which
I
considered
to
be
and
I
negotiate
for
a
living
to
a
good
portion
of
my
time
is
negotiating
and
I've
never
seen.
Anyone
react
to
someone
basically
saying
look.
This
I
consider
to
be
a
problem
with
this,
so
I
think
that
that's
part
of
the
difficulty
is
that
someone
doesn't
want
a
deal
to
actually
be
done,
and
it's
not
Abby
took
the
words
out
of
my
mouth.
That's
why
I
was
just
about
to
say.
F
D
Thing
is:
is
we're
making
we've
made
a
number
of
other
changes,
things
that
were
already
believed
to
have
been
in
place
for
like
I,
think
over
a
year,
and
then
we
end
up
basically
being
in
a
position
where
now
this
is
being
brought
up,
and
then
we
try
to
work
with
it,
because
we
want
to
get
this
done
and
then
we're
sitting
here.
It's
not
good
enough
and
then
we
sit
here
and
say:
look
we've
had
a
problem
with
this.
You
know
process
always
moving.
We
want
to
end
up
ty,
barring
these
things.
D
We
want
to
make
sure
that
everything
is
done
at
one
time.
We
don't
want
to
end
up
having
some
moving
part
or
for
you
to
say
no,
we
didn't
agree
to
the
MOU.
We
want
it
all
done
and
then
we're
told
that
that's
not
acceptable.
For
some
reason,
we
can't
end
up
figuring
out
because
I'm
sure
you've
done
any
number
of
agreements.
If
you
have
an
addendum
or
something
like
that,
it's
things
refer
to
each
other
and
they
all
get
done,
and
everyone
is
fine
and
we
don't
worry
about
it.
That's
think
it's
what's
weird.
H
H
D
D
H
H
H
We
put
seven
people
here
to
vote
on
a
contract
and
we're
at
a
big
disadvantage
here,
trying
to
vote
on
something
that
we're
not
part
of
we're
here
in
one
side
and
the
other
side
we're
we're
put
in
a
bad
position
here,
I,
don't
know.
What's
going
on
inside
negotiations,
I
hear
stories
I
hear
from
you,
I
hear
from
them,
I
hear
from
whatever
I
don't
know
what
the
truth
is
well.
C
H
C
H
D
The
most
I'm
I'm
not
sure
what
you're
you're
saying
councilman.
Basically,
what
it
comes
down
to
is
this.
The
MOU
is
supposed
to
be
done
in
terms
of
the
substance,
both
MO
users
supposed
to
be
done
in
terms
of
the
substance.
The
only
sticking
point
that
has
been
conveyed
in
Israel
Donal
is
that
they
will
not
tie
bar
these
things
other
than
that
they
should
be
perfectly
fine
when
pressed
as
to
why
they
can't
be
Thai
barred.
We
are
told
I
just
won't
do
that
if
I
got
that
right,
ms
rail
down.
C
C
D
When
you
see
that
that
suggests
that
someone
is
looking
at
trying
to
renege
alright,
if
someone
told
me
you
know
just
trust
me
I'm
going
to
end
up
doing
this
after
you
agree
to
this
other
contract
I,
don't
know
why
I
would
end
up
ever
doing
that
and
I.
Don't
know
why
I
would
ever
expect
an
opposing
party
to
end
up
doing
something
along
those.
So.
C
I
C
I
Must
get
you
said,
may
I,
madam
sure,
I'm
sorry
I
know
you
have
an
order,
but
it's
follow-up
to
his
okay.
Go
ahead,
caller
one.
Do
you
mind?
God
thank
you.
So
what
has
changed
since
this
email?
I?
Don't
know
September
7th?
Oh
no,
I'm!
Sorry,
yes,
September,
7th
2018!
This
was
sent
from
mr.
LaMontagne.
It
says:
I
saw
your
email,
there's
no
way,
I'm
signing
it.
The
direct
connection
of
the
MOU
regarding
part,
timers
and
part
timers.
The
part
timers
is
not
acceptable.
That
wouldn't.
I
Why
are
we
prepared
to
even
talk
I
mean?
Why
would
we
approve
this
document
because
the
other
the
question
I
have
and
I
can
wait?
If
madam
chair
wants
me
to
wait
or
continue,
but
the
signature
page
87
I'd
like
to
know
who
signed
that
because
it
has
the
union
representation,
I,
don't
know
if
anybody's
officially
here
on
their
behalf,
but
with
that
I'm
not
prepared
until
every
pages
is
initial
they're
signed,
oh
I,.
C
F
So
if,
since
in
this
case,
obviously
I
mean
in
its
in
this
case,
you
guys
can't
come
to
a
conclusion
and
and
I
don't
know
who's
got
what
agenda
and
why
you
know
all
parties
not
coming
together,
because,
usually
you
know
you
do
some
sort
of
compromise
and
you
agree
you
move
on.
As
you
know,
there's
probably
thousands
of
contracts
negotiated
between
corporations
and
attorneys
and
what
I
have
you
per
City?
F
Nevertheless,
obviously
in
the
country
and
they
all
get
worked
out,
I
have,
in
my
experience,
never
seen
something
like
this
when
I
thought,
my
in
my
business
I
thought
about
just
even
reading
in
the
papers.
You
never
hear
stuff
like
this
in
any
Union
personally,
so
I'm,
just
only
personally
so
question.
F
Would
it
not
make
sense,
maybe
to
get
a
third
party
right
now
to
join
in
on
this
and
is
there
possibly
maybe
possibly
an
arbitrator,
a
retired
judge
whatever
to
make
a
decision?
And
you
guys
agree
prior
to
that
that
whatever
decision
they
make
that
you
will
move
forward
with
that
and
then
just
go
that
would
because
it
you
know
it
kind
of
counsel,
Jeremy
at
least
mentioned
I
mean
this
can
go
if
someone,
if
that's
what's
happening,
that's
what
he
said
nibbling
and
I'm
familiar
with
the
term.
F
You
know,
if
that's
what
happens,
yeah
I
make
you
go
on
and
on
and
on
and
on
and
on
forever
you
don't
negotiations.
So
is
a
third
party,
either
arbitrator
retired
judge
whatever
can
be
done
to
where
both
parties
agree,
that
that's
the
direction
we're
gonna
go
and
whatever
decision
that
third
independent
party
makes
will
move
forward
with.
Is
there
at
all
possibility
for
legal.
A
F
F
Issues,
okay,
I
mean
they're
important
issues,
but
if
people
will
compromise
just
like
we
do
in
a
family,
just
let
people
do
incorporation
just
like
people
do
in
life,
just
compromise
and
move
on.
If
we're
not
gonna
calm,
it
sounds
like
we're
not
because
sounds
like
this
thing.
Just
keeps
dragging
I
mean
I'm
sick
of
hearing
about
it.
Honestly,
you
know
I've
heard
about
this
for
about
a
year.
F
Is
it
not
to
me
common
sense
to
get
a
third-party
arbitrator
a
different
third
party
again,
we'll
do
respect
to
the
gentleman
to
make
a
decision,
and
then
we
move
with
whatever
decision
they
make
work.
It's
not
party
a
or
party
B,
it's
whatever.
That
third
party
decides.
We
agree
previous
to
starting
that,
whatever
decision
he
makes-
or
she
makes
we
move
forward
with
that,
to
get
this
thing
done
already,
because
it
just
makes
no
sense
that.
C
A
D
D
Here's
the
point
and
I
would
be
willing
this
year
in
a
closed
session.
Specifically,
why
I
think
it
doesn't
work,
they
won't
say
it
in
an
open
session,
and
it
has
you
know
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
on
how
we
negotiate
or
who
we
have
is
a
mediator.
Whatever
else
or
our
willingness
to
try
to
compromise
mayor
has
really
tried
to
compromise
regularly
on.
This
has
really
given
us
very
clear
direction
to
want
end
up
getting
this
done.
D
H
H
C
J
C
J
I
think
we
need
to
do
that.
Get
get
someone
you
have
someone
I
mean
real
father,
so,
like
this
next
week,
find
someone
next
meeting,
give
them
the
authority
to
make
the
judgment
and
then
get
this
thing
done.
I
mean
this.
Is
you
know
what
I
got
a
big
I
wrote
on
my
notes?
There,
a
big
dollar
sign,
you
know,
could
you
how
much
an
attorney
fees?
This
is
cost
in
the
city
and
I
mean
I,
asked
someone?
J
C
J
C
I
believe
that,
yes,
I
do
believe
that
I
mean
anytime
and
how
this
whole
thing
got
started
way
back
in
January
was
the
Union,
if
you
recall,
had
had
filed
a
draft,
the
unfair
labor
practice
charge
against
the
city,
and
so
from
that
point
we
really
we
met
with
their
counsel
at
the
POA
em
offices
and
we
really
worked
diligently
to
craft
the
language
that
to
to
come
to
that
understanding
of
what
the
actual
language
is.
We
disagree
upon
in
what
language
we
can
agree
upon.
C
The
city
made
many
concessions
just
to
get
the
thing
done
and
we've
Whittle
it
Whittle
it
down
to
this
point,
either
side
could
have
proceeded
with
and
I'm,
not
going
to
speak
for
the
Union,
but
the
city
could
have
had
even
have
filed
a
ULP
against
the
union,
but
we
didn't
want
to
do
that.
We
wanted
to
try
to
craft
this
agreement
and
try
to
forge
this
agreement
and.
D
And
I
would
I
would
think
that
it
would
be.
This
is
kind
of
an
unusual
I.
Don't
think
I've
ever
dealt
with
a
collective
bargaining
agreement
and
kind
of
context
before
and
I
would
understand
if
they
did
not
have
counsel
present
or
did
not
have
someone
present
as
a
representative,
why
they
would
be
hesitant
to
say
anything
because,
technically
speaking,
there
are
grievances
outstanding
here.
Anything
that
ends
up
being
said
here
could
potentially
be
used
against
either
party
and,
frankly,
in
a
certain
sense.
D
The
city
has,
with
lawyers
here,
potentially
an
advantage
with
respect
to
some
of
this
stuff.
For
example,
they've
taken
a
position
in
a
grievance
that
they're
relying
on
the
contract,
which
has
an
ended
up
being
approved
but
they're
also
taking
positions
that
are
inconsistent
with
it,
for
example,
they're
trying
to
grieve
something
under
the
new
agreement,
but
they're
saying
that
there's
no
agreement,
I
mean
if
someone
got
up
here
from
the
union.
F
C
Originally,
when
we
started
negotiating,
we
wanted
because
of
the
knee
it's
my
understanding
from
the
needs
of
the
ordinance
department
and
all
of
the
cases
in
the
city
and
the
support
needed
for
court.
There
was,
we
suggested
for
part-time
ordinance
officers
to
suggest
with
the
operational
needs,
and
that
was
one
of
the
things
the
Union
strongly
said
that
they
did
not
agree
with.
So
that
is
one
of
the
things
that
we
really
came
together
and
worked
with
mr.
Strasburg
on,
and
we
in
the
MOU
that
I
gave
to
mr.
Muscat.
C
E
C
D
F
A
F
Question
I'm!
Sorry,
if
you
don't
mind
tonight,
clarifies
it
but
I
don't
get
why
we're
not
in
agreement
but
but
it
clarifies
at
least
next
question
reimbursement
of
tuition,
slash
education,
yeah
so
for
an
average
employed.
So
I
could
get
a
perspective
of
this
for
an
average
employee.
If
I'm
a
city
employee,
yes,
I'm
an
on
average,
how
much
average
cuz
I
know
some,
maybe
more
than
others
on
average,
how
much
tuition
would
would
I
have
you
know?
Would
I
go
for
per
year?
Vomit
wrap
me
now:
what's
the
dollar
amount?
D
F
L
F
L
L
F
E
C
E
A
A
Am
agreeing
with
that?
Okay,
so
my
question
is
what
I'm
taking
on
this
is
you're
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
tie
it
all
three
of
these
issues
together
the
contract,
the
part-time
employees
and
the
tuition
reimbursement,
and
that's
the
only
problem,
everybody's
agreeing
on
it.
It's
just
how
to
tie
it
in
and
how
to
package.
A
D
Yeah-
and
that
was
what
I
was
going
to,
and
the
mayor
and
I
were
just
doing
a
little
sidebar
again
substantively
the
language
with
regard
to
the
tuition
reimbursement.
It
has
been
worked
out
as
we
understand
it
now,
it's
just
a
matter
of
time
our
unit
and
we're
at
a
loss
as
to
why
we
can't
tie
Bart
it's
just
in
when
I
asked
mr.
O'donnell.
D
J
D
E
Done
and
and
just
if
I'm
incorrect,
correct
me,
mr.
Strasbourg,
because
when
we
ended
up
in
these
issues,
I
thought
he
was
the
one
that
said.
Okay,
if
you
can't
get
it
in
the
original
agreement,
let's
use
the
MOU,
so
he
actually
offered
a
solution
that
will
hopefully
would
be
acceptable
and
I
want
to
get
it
done.
I
said
fine,
you.
C
A
C
A
A
F
Be
over
we've
had
this
count.
I'm
sorry,
but
we've
had
this
conversation,
multiple,
multiple,
multiple,
multiple
times
so
again,
another
crazy
thought.
Why
don't
we
do
like
they
do
in
the
Congress,
where
we
sit
you
guys,
all
in
here
lock
up
the
doors
nobody's
getting
out
bring
in
pizza,
dough
gets
resolved,
no
pizza,
I
know
I
mean
I,
it's
it
sees.
It
just
seems
crazy.
I
I
do
just
want
to
chime
in
on
that,
because
I
guess
my
concern
is
that
we
don't
have
someone
an
official
capacity
on
behalf
of
the
Union,
so
really
we're
still
just
hearing
one
side
and
I
asked
a
question
about
the
signature
page
I.
This
documents
from
my
understanding
is
not
ratified
by
the
Union.
Yet
we
need
to
know
why,
where
we
are
with
that
there,
if
it's
not
ratified,
it's
still,
the
collective
bargaining
piece
is
in
place.
There
are
you
know
we
have
these
question
marks
all
over
the
place.
I
A
A
D
D
B
A
C
Definitely
do
that
and
again
I
can't
speak
for
him.
I
would
not
pretend
to
speak
for
him
and
I
know.
He
feels
that
we're
just
about
there
also,
but
I
I
would
only
say
from
his
standpoint.
I
think
he
is
indicated
to
me
that
the
mo
use
are
separate
and
just
they're
just
separate.
They
cannot
be
referred
to
in
in
the
main
agreement
that
that
don't.
A
C
D
We
would
recommend
against
that,
just
from
the
standpoint
of
that.
Essentially
we
get
into
another.
This
concession
and
frankly
we
don't
understand
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
any
reasonable
reason
why
they
can't
end
up
doing
this
anti
barring
and
my
other
recommendation
might
be
that
Ezreal
Donnell
would
end
up
trying
to
get
emails.
That
would
end
up
talking
about
the
tie,
barring
issue,
and
maybe
we
could
forward
those
to
the
administration
to
the
mayor
and
to
the
council
so
that
you
can
see
what
the
communications
were
to
maybe
give
you
a
better
notion
of.
A
B
We
want
to
prevent
an
issue
that
happened
from
last
year
right,
which
we
weren't
here
and
also
another
issue
that
it
was
put
on
an
agenda
and
he
got
pulled
at
the
same
meeting.
So
we
want
to
try
to
prevent
that
as
well.
So
whatever
goes
in
front
of
us
at
the
next
time,
it
has
to
be
concurred
by
the
Union
and
we
wanted.
We
want
a
confirmation
from
the
Union
and
I
advise
to
have.
Each
page
has
to
have
some
type
of
signature
or
an
addendum
or
some
type
of
revision,
something
right.
C
H
D
With
an
arbitration
to
normally
looking
at
something
that
are
to
end
up
being
an
issue
to
be
actually
arbitrated
decided,
this
is
supposed
to
be
a
voluntary
process,
and
the
difficulty
is
is
that
we
believe
that
we
have
things
voluntarily
set.
The
arbitrator
would
need
to
end
up
having
a
standard
by
which
he
would
end
up
making
he
or
she
would
end
up
making
a
decision
in
this
situation.
D
It
there's
nothing
in
terms
of
a
standard
like
that.
In
other
words,
it
would
be
like
saying.
Well,
we
think
that
the
interpretation
of
this
word
means
three
employees,
and
we
think
that
the
interpretation
of
this
word
means
two
employees.
Okay,
then,
the
arbitrator
can
look
at
that
word.
The
context
of
that
word,
whatever
it
might
be.
Whatever
the
standard
is,
that's
in
dispute
the
arbitrator
would
be
able
to
interpret
it.
We
don't
think
that
here
all.
A
N
Apologize
I'm,
Cheryl,
Frank
I'm,
not
here
to
take
on
argument
or
questions.
I
don't
mean
the
Union
means
no
disrespect
to
this
body
to
the
mayor.
Anybody,
but
there
were
a
few
things
that
mr.
Miyake
brought
up
a
point
that
there
are
limited
things
at
which
I
can
even
say,
because
we
are
in
current
negotiations
and
we
have
several
grievances
outstanding
I'm,
not
an
attorney.
You
have
two
attorney.
They
have
two
attorneys
here,
so
whatever
I
say
can
potentially
hurt
us.
N
N
Monetary
correct
what
was
negotiated
was
everything's
in
play,
but
not
the
pension
items
like
I
said
I
just
had
surgery
a
few
days
ago.
So
I'm
not
here
for
argument,
but
one
thing
that
I
can't
sit
back
and
allow
anybody
to
get
an
impression
of
is
that
our
union
is
nibbling.
I
won't
accept
that
term.
I.
Won't
that
is
absolutely
absurd.
N
We
have
negotiated
in
good
faith
since
day,
one
and
I
hope
my
reputation.
Can
you
can
trust
me
on
that?
But
again,
I
can't
I
have
notes
and
notes
to
bring
back
to
our
attorney,
but
I'm
here
and
like
I
said
I
just
want
to
express
that
this
is
in
no
way
disrespect
to
the
Union.
We
want
a
finished
deal,
a
done
deal
whew.
F
D
A
B
A
M
M
The
administration
tried
before
to
pass
through
the
budget,
some
jobs
for
some
people,
and
thank
thank
to
you
that
you
did
not
approve
that
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
When
we
hire
people
in
the
city,
we
hire
the
best
to
serve
our
people.
They
must
take
the
civil
service
test.
They
must
obey
the
law,
they
must
obey
the
Charter.
That
is
number
one
priority,
and
you
have
right
now
the
responsibility
to
make
sure
that
the
Charter
is
not
violated
and
I
am
surprised
that
mister.
M
He
should
have
said
during
the
negotiation
that
this
violate
the
Charter.
It
should
have
never
even
brought
in
or
if
nobody
said
anything
about
it,
it
doesn't
mean
you
know
we
pass
it.
Second,
the
buy-in
of
five
years,
how
much
this
is
going
to
cost
the
city
is.
Did
you
see
actuary
report?
How
much
money
it's
going
to
have
to
cast
the
city
in
the
long
run
and
the
compensation
of
30%
to
let
people
come
back
to
work
five
days
they
gave
up
between
6%
to
10%.
M
Some
people
did
not
give
10%
I
recommend
that
they
get
10%
if
they
want
to
come
back
to
work,
not
30%,
because
again
we
don't
know
how
much
I,
don't
at
least
myself
know
how
much
it
will
cost
in
the
long
run.
That
expires
and
the
law
is
clear.
Some
people
must
be
excluded,
especially
the
one
who
negotiated
this
contract
should
be
excluded
from
any
benefit
from
this
in
the
state,
and
the
federal
law
is
clear
and
it's
in
front
of
you
and
I
hope
that
you
recognize
what
I'm
saying
and
I.
D
I
just
say
something:
consignee,
a
key.
Thank
you
actually
I'm,
sorry,
but
I
do
not
recall,
saying
anything
violated
the
Charter
I
believe
what
I
said
is
that
was
negotiated
under
Parra
can
prevail
over
the
Charter
and
there
is
a
distinction,
in
other
words
like
a
residence
requirement.
Residents
requirements
had
to
be
negotiated,
even
though
they
were.
There
were
charter
provisions
in
many
City
charters
that
were
inconsistent
with
what
was
negotiated
and
para
prevails,
so
that
that
was
my
point
if
it
was
misunderstood
or
I
apologize
for
not
speaking
as
clearly
as
I
could.
Mr.
A
You
very
much
okay,
any
further
comment
at
this
time
we're
going
to
move
on
to
the
artistic
lawn
service.
This
seems
to
be
a
issue
with
a
company
that
is
doing
City
cuts
and
they
only
have
a
contract
with
us
to
do
ordinance
cuts
to
the
city.
So
it
seems
to
be
frustrating
for
us
to
be
approving
something
that
we
know
we
shouldn't
be,
but
the
work
has
already
been
done.
So
at
this
point,
I
don't
know
who'd
like
to
open
up
the
discussion
manager.
How
embarrassing
I.
B
Specifically,
am
and
I
do
have
a
problem
with
I
mean,
as
the
council
chair
mentioned,
there's
a
obviously
there's
a
contract
to
cut
ordinance,
but
not
City
property.
So
I
do
have
a
problem
with
anybody
and
it's
not
just
artistic
cutting
city
property
and
that's
a
DPW
function
and
again
you
know:
we've
seen
a
lot
of
grievances.
B
I
Councilman
Hicks
quaked
I
wanted
to
chime
in
with
you.
If
I
may
fully
agree,
I
would
imagine
the
Union
does
have
grievances
on
this
I.
Don't
know
why
they
would
not
take
it
away.
Work
from
the
Union
working
families,
the
hard-working
families,
which
I
fully
respect.
If
there
is
a
reason,
then
certainly
we've
heard
different
things,
but
we
also
have
been
told
about
tree
cutting
and
we
see
that
is
outsourced
as
well.
I
A
I
have
a
tendency
to
agree
that
if
we
are
keeping
it
in-house,
it's
fine,
but
if
we
outsource
that
we
need
to
get
go
through
the
bid
process
because
I'm
looking
at-
and
this
is
nothing
against
artistic-
it
could
be
any
law
in
service.
So
far
this
year
we
have
spent
sixty
nine
thousand
two
hundred
and
sixty
six
dollars
to
this
one
particular
company
to
outsource
our
city
cuts
that
we
are
able
to
do
in-house.
So.
G
F
F
Just
to
make
sure,
but
it
would
not
make
sense
to
do
this
right
now,
with
winter
coming
in
a
couple
of
weeks,
but
I
did
talk
to
with
I,
did
talk
with
our
DPW
director
and
just
to
get
a
clarification
on
this,
and
unfortunately,
with
this
thing
this
seems,
like
you
know,
very
similar
to
the
contract
negotiations.
Again,
you
know,
were
you
hear
you
know?
One
party
says
this:
the
other
party
says
that,
and
only
God
knows
where
the
real
truth
is,
but
nevertheless,
according
to
him,
they
are
offered.
F
Okay,
there's
there's
right
now
about
two
to
three
years
worth
of
trees
that
need
to
be
trimmed
and
he's
got
right
now
at
this
particular
point,
according
to
him
about
ten,
nine
and
ten
employees
that
are
doing
this,
so
they're
obviously
doing
a
lot
of
tree
type
jobs.
Therefore,
he
cannot
take
them
away
from
that
to
be
able
to
go
cut
grass.
So
when
grass
gets
long
in
areas
there
are
public
he
brings
in
artistic.
F
Meanwhile,
he
told
me
that
he's
sent
nine
to
ten
people
and
I
don't
manage
his
particular
department
to
know
I
just
have
to
rely
on
what
he's
telling
me
the
same.
Nine
to
ten
people
have
to
do
this
and
I
wrote
him
down
when
I
was
talking
with
them,
they
have
to
clean
the
catch
basins.
You
know
from
leaves
they
have
to
do
cold
patch.
They
have
to
do
street
sweeping
to
keep
obviously
the
storms
clear.
F
They
have
to
do
the
tree,
cutting
or
trimming
grass
cutting
and
saw
the
public
areas
or
the
ones
that
they
do,
and
then
they
got
the
signs
and
no
parking
signs
which
they
were
putting
out
right
now
and
then
they've
got
painting
of
the
crosswalks,
amongst
other
things,
so
with
all
that
being
involved,
they
he
just
does
not
have
the
met
reporting
that
I'm
and
the
man
/
woman
power
to
be
able
to
do
this
and
not
hire
it
out.
So
that's
why
he
hires
it
out.
It's
not
because
he
wants
to
it.
F
A
H
J
O
Yes,
there
is,
there
is
a
amount
of
employees
that
do
say
no
can
go
take
last
week,
for
example,
there's
a
lot
of
employees
in
the
highway
department.
Six
days
of
the
week,
Monday
through
Saturday
Sunday's
are
only
for
emergencies,
so
there's
66
potential
for
yeses.
Okay.
Now,
if
you
take
out
four
people
who
take
a
day
off
last
week,
there
was
fifty-one
potential
yeses
for
overtime.
There
was
only
18,
yeses
33
knows
that's
about
a
third
of
the
employees
during
the
week
working
overtime.
O
A
O
But
they
were,
everybody
was
told
that
we
are
going
to
ask
every
single
day
Monday
through
Saturday.
We
are
going
to
ask
every
single
day.
They
should
know
when
they
walk
into
work
that
day,
whether
they
can
or
cannot
work.
That
should
because
they
know
they're
gonna,
be
asked.
They
will
be
asked
some
time
during
the
day
supervisors
get
busy.
Sometimes
it
gets
away
from
us
and
it's
at
the
last
minute.
So
sometimes
it's
later
on.
In
the
day
when
they're
asked.
A
O
A
O
J
O
B
K
O
O
B
Okay,
so
in
any
corporation
in
the
world
or
any
city
in
the
whole
world,
they
have
program,
management
and
I've,
seen
multiple
jobs
posted
for
anything
and
any
any
job
classification.
It
says
you
have
to
have
a
program
management
experience,
so
where's
the
management
that
heart
in
your
department
I
mean.
Do
you
have
a
list
or
a
schedule?
Okay,
Monday.
This
is
what
we're
gonna
be
doing,
I
mean
I,
know
I,
foresee
emergencies
coming
up,
busted
lines
or
whatever
so
Monday.
This
is
what
we're
gonna
be
doing.
Tuesday
was
a
so-and-so
fun
day.
B
B
O
No,
because
of
because
of
trash
days,
they
know
that
Monday,
through
Friday,
the
sweepers,
are
gonna,
be
in
the
trash
areas.
The
tree
cutters
are
gonna,
be
in
the
trash
areas.
We
got
a
couple
guys
right
now
dedicated
to
getting
up
to
no
parking
on
trash
day.
Signs
that
takes
time.
So
the
street
sweepers
and
the
people
are
gonna,
be
on
the
tree.
Crew
know
that
they're
gonna
be
somewhere
in
the
trash
areas.
B
B
O
B
O
K
B
A
O
Was
a
time
when
the
highway
department
was
low,
our
employees
and
we
did
not
cut
trees
unless
it
was
an
emergency.
And
yes,
we
were
cutting
grass,
but
we
weren't
cutting
trees
and
at
times
we
had
tree
contractors
that
were
they
specifically
worked
for
us,
and
that
was
it.
That
was
only
ones
they
they
work
for
was
us
yeah.
O
A
O
I
Hicks
claim
so
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
understand
it
to
be.
The
root
of
the
problem
is
staffing
may
be
enough
people
because
you're
and
you're
right
about
as
you
you
have
more
time.
You
accrue
more
time,
but
are
we
planting
seeds
with
new
hires
and
training
them
up,
as
people
will
eventually
retire
and
will
meet
the
need?
Because
what
is
the
need?
And
what
does
it
look
like?
I
Because
that
was
my
question
with
staffing,
because
that's
what
I
keep
hearing
to
be
the
problem
and
I'm
looking
at
and
I've
added
these
up,
and
these
are
actually
what
you
have
included-
are
all
public,
easements
and
I
added
them
up
and
forgiven
because
I
hand
added
it
I'm
at
fifty,
two
thousand
six
hundred
sixty
six
dollars
and
ninety
two
cents,
so
I
could
be
off
a
little
bit,
but
I
mean
that's
what
it's
from.
Yes,
that's
one
extra
employee
right
there.
A
I
And
then
I
wasn't
finished,
you
know
and
we
have
to
talk
about
the
longevity
and
all
the
younger
than
legacy
cost.
But
again
you,
the
part
of
responsible
men,
I'm,
not
saying
you're,
not
responsible
by
the
way
I'm
just
saying
responsible
management
is
you're.
Always
forecasting
like
you
were
saying:
councilman
bazi,
you
have
a
management
plan,
you're,
always
training,
somebody
for
a
new
position,
you're
always
planning
to
replace
somebody
for
an
existing
position
and
that's
how
this
works.
I
H
H
Worked
in
industry,
my
whole
life
and
over
time
was
part
of
that
industry
and
from
day
to
day
we
never
know
what
emergency
comes
up.
We
could
have
routine
maintenance
or
we
could
have
massive
breakdowns
that
that's
an
emergency,
that's
detrimental
to
a
company
making
vehicles
that
has
to
be
fixed,
but
every
Monday
we
went
in
and
we
saw
a
list
and
you
signed
up
for
overtime.
If
you
want
overtime
during
a
week,
Monday
Tuesday
Wednesday,
Thursday,
Friday,
Saturday
Sunday,
you
put
a
wide
by
your
name
and
now
you're
available
to
work
every
day.
H
It's
up
to
management
and
again,
if
you
know
you're
cutting
grass
and
you
are
cutting
grass,
you
are
trimming,
trees,
put
them
scheduled.
You
do
that
stuff.
That's
that's
not
that
difficult
to
do.
It's
not
difficult!
You
don't
come
up
to
somebody
when
they're
getting
their
car
say.
I
need
you
to
cut
50
lakhs
today
or
whatever
it
is,
or
it's
not.
D
H
Just
saying,
even
even
within
the
last
hour
to
shift
I
mean,
if
guys
are
know
that
they're
gonna
work,
Monday,
Tuesday,
Wednesday,
Thursday,
Friday,
Saturday,
Sunday,
I'm,
gonna,
willing
to
bet
you're
gonna
have
90
percent
participation
if
they
already
know
that
they're
gonna
be
working
because
if
they
come
in
Monday
you're
gonna
go
home
and
tell
their
wife,
hey,
I'm,
working
sad
at
Friday,
Saturday
and
Sunday
dear.
So
don't
make
any
plans
till
after
4
or
5
o'clock
or
whatever.
It
is
well
I.
O
M
H
Mean
if
there's
no
proper
procedure
to
do
this
like
over
time,
put
a
list
up
on
Monday
morning,
have
the
guys
check
in
it's
their
responsibility
to
go
up
there
and
put
a
yes
by
their
name
for
every
day.
They
want
to
work,
make
it
their
responsibility.
Then
it
takes
that
responsibility
off
of
you.
That
way,
you
come
say:
hey
look
at
all
of
nobody
sign.
Nobody
signed
list,
yeah.
H
I
understand
that,
but
you
gotta
find
a
way
to
get
everybody
on
board
to
work
overtime
in
a
in
a
problem.
These
guys
know
that
they're
gonna
work
over
I
know
I
hate
it
go
to
work
and
the
last
hour
say
you
got
to
work,
Friday
and
Saturday.
Well,
no
I,
don't
okay
kind
of
give
me
some
kind
of
notice
for
me
to
be
able
to
work,
but
if
I
knew
I
was
going
to
work
overtime
and
my
names
on
a
list.
It's
my
responsibility
to
put
that.
H
Yes
by
my
name,
eliminates
you
completely
out
of
that
responsibility
and
now
you'll
have
your
manpower,
I
believe
you
will
have
your
manpower,
because
you
already
know
you're
cutting
grass
and
you
know
York
remedies.
You
know
I
just
rolled
words,
we're
doing
it
all
the
time.
So,
if
you're
cutting
grass
all
the
time
and
you're
trimming
trees
all
the
time,
you
know,
you're
gonna
need
eleven
guys
so
put
them
on
a
list.
Monday
Monday
you're
on
the
list
Monday
through
the
whole
week,
you're
on
the
list.
F
Abdullah,
so
we've
got
a
question
for
you
being
that
we
always
need
over
time
and
you're
mentioning
that
none
of
people
are
taking
it.
Does
it
make
sense,
to
maybe
add
some
more
employees?
Is
there
something
that
you
feel
that
you
need
to
be
able
to
resolve
this
issue,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
all
of
our
concerns
as
council
people
is
to
make
sure
that
the
trees
are
being
cut.
You
know
trimmed
the
grass
is
being
cut,
the
snows
being
shoveled,
etc,
etc,
and
in
doing
it
the
best
most
economical
way.
F
O
F
O
And
if
he
needs
to
go
to
the
body
for
amendment
for
that
kind
of
stuff,
that's
done
through
the
mayor's
office.
I
can't
I
can't
say
that.
I
do
know,
though,
that
the
human
resources
director
does
go
out
and
advertise
for
because
we
just
they
just
established
a
list
not
too
long
ago.
We
get.
Maybe
ten
people
apply
here.
That's
it.
You
get
a
couple
people
that
fail
the
civil
service
test.
You
have
a
couple,
people
that
fail
the
back
ground
check.
Do
you
get
a
couple?
O
People
that
say
no
I
don't
want
to
leave
my
job
now
and
also
on
the
list
is
gone
and
Human
Resources
has
go
through
the
whole
process.
Again,
it's
not
a
quick
and
simple
process
and
if
they
don't
get
have
to
extend
it
out,
because
I
know
every
time
when
they
put
out
four
applicants
for
labor
or
for
clerical
I
had
put
it
on
my
social
media
pages
and
and
asked
if
they
have
any
questions,
they
can
private
message
me
and
I
get
nothing
so
I've
got
a
second.
O
P
H
O
I
A
Q
Q
You
gotta
take
into
account
that
this,
but
you
also
need
to
take
into
account
that
when
this
company
ABC
I'm
gonna
calm
because
I'm
worried
I'm
really
worried
about
using
the
thing
so
much
because
he's
a
good
contractor
and
does
a
really
good
service
for
the
city
H
and
he
didn't
solicit
us
to
be
soliciting
him.
So
I.
Q
Q
Q
H
Q
H
And
it's
you
know,
you
like
I,
had
complaints
about
the
median
on
Telegraph
between
Ann
Arbor,
Trail
and
Warren
I
called
the
County
County
told
me:
that's
not
theirs.
They
contract
the
city
to
do
it.
I
called
the
city
and
they
don't
know
who's
supposed
to
cut
that
grass.
Why
doesn't
anybody
know
what
we're
supposed
to
cut
and
what
we
chart
get
charged?
We
should
have
a
flat
rate
fee
for
everything
Pierre.
If
we're
gonna
go
to
a
contractor,
a
flat
rate
fee.
H
H
Q
About
this,
so
the
arrangement
would
come
that
is,
and
Mike
could
probably
speak
to
this
to
my
under
subpoenas.
We
do
six,
they
use
this
kind
of
thing
like
we
do.
You
know
we
true,
we
trade
that
off
with
them
bill.
Zimmer,
has
said
now
parts
of
that
the
contractor
that
he's
on
we
can't
do
it
because
there's
a
lot
even
and
that
won't
extend
to
a
contractor.
Q
H
B
Cutting
it
and
I
see
an
agreement
and,
as
you
know,
mister
musket
can
probably
watch
to
that
when
there's
an
agreement
by
Union,
but
this
can
cost
us
double
the
price
that
were
currently
paying
we're
paying
a
contractor
to
cut.
But
if
the
grievance
goes
through,
we
can
still
pay
the
same
amount.
Now.
O
B
O
You
can't
tell
me
that,
because
I've
snow
listen,
listen
because
it
is
when
I
was
in
the
Union
I
was
the
president.
I
was
where
the
current
president
is
now
I
was
in
that
position.
That
is
a
policy
grievance,
because
everybody
was
asked
to
work
overtime.
Nobody
lost
any
money.
Therefore,
there
is
no
MOT
I
haven't
seen
grievance
by
I,
almost
guarantee
you
there's
no
monetary
reimbursement
for
anybody
in
there.
It's
just
a
straight-up
policy
grievance
with
no
money
attached
to
it.
A
O
A
B
O
O
H
J
O
J
O
A
O
E
When
you
go
to
buy
street
sweepers
because
they're
almost
a
half
a
million
apiece
normally
what
we
do
is
other
cities
we
go
around
in,
and
the
DPW
directors
and
the
downriver
are
very
good
at
so,
and
Bill
goes
those
meetings.
So
what
you
do
is
you
try
to
get
a
quantity
discount
and
hopefully,
rather
than
pay
and
a
half
million
may
be
good
for
450
or
475,
not
people,
but
but
every
25.
So.
E
H
Saw
one
of
those
street
sweepers
up
close
stopped
in
front
of
my
house
and
I
can
say:
there's
a
lot
of
lack
of
maintenance
being
done
on
them.
I'll
tell
you
what
very
old
I
was
the
leader
the
guys
that
were
worked
under
me,
that
did
preventative
maintenance.
If
I
saw
that
after
they
got
done
it
doing
a
p.m.
they'd
be
gone
without
no
question
no
question
whatsoever.
H
I
looked
at
that
I
looks
at
some
of
those
gearboxes
I'm,
saying
really
how
about
taking
a
toothbrush
and
clean
them
off
I
mean
preventive
maintenance
of
perfect
yeah.
That's
my
background
is
preventive
and
predictive
maintenance
and
I
see
some
of
that
stuff,
but
none
of
that's
being
done
and
if
we're
supposed
to
be
doing
it,
it's
not
getting
done
right.
P
Name
is
Christie
Laszlo
I
live
on
Charles
Street
on
Council
asked
a
bunch
of
questions
during
on
Mikey's,
Inquisition
and
I.
Just
wanted
to
add
a
couple
things
on
the
city's
had
a
tree
contractor
since
1963
they've
always
hit
a
tree
contractor
I
know
somebody
on
council
thought
we
just
got
a
tree
contractor.
We've
always
had
a
tree
contractor
tree
contractors
got
more
expensive
because
of
the
licensing
they
need.
So
unless
we
have
a
big
tree,
we've
tried
to
do
a
lot
of
the
trims
in-house
on
councilman
muscat.
P
P
Wait,
let
me
let
me
finish
because
this
this
started
last
September,
when
somebody
in
the
Union
brought
it
to
the
administration's
attention
that
they're
not
asked
in
the
morning
they've
never
been
asked
in
the
morning.
However,
they
do
usually
know
if
it's
their
week,
one
they're
probably
going
to
be
working
Monday
through
Saturday,
there's
always
something
that
they're
going
to
be
doing.
The
on
the
last
September
on
Phil,
Zimmer
and
I
met
with
some
of
the
union
leaders,
and
we
said,
put
your
members
on
notice.
P
They
will
be
asked
to
work
overtime
until
we
can
knock
this
tree
list
down
until
we
can
knock
all
their
things
down
to
get
it
manageable.
In
the
meantime,
we
continue
to
hire
and
we
continue
to
have
lists
as
well
on
in
December,
the
union
president
came
to
me
and
said
two
of
his
members
weren't
asked
they
were
made
whole
for
those
two
situations
in
March
I
found
out
that
it
was
a
little
axe
again.
P
So
the
highway
representative
and
the
waters
representative
would
contact
either
Bill
Zimmer
or
myself
if
they
weren't
asked,
and
we
would
make
it
right,
but
even
if
we
had
to
call
them
back
in
the
yard,
but
once
again
we
told
the
Union.
So
if
the
union's
not
being
asked
by
three,
they
need
to
know
that
this
is
their
notice
or
they
need
to
go
to
their
union
representatives
because
their
union
to
say
that
they
will
tell
all
of
their
members
that
over
time
is
pretty
much
a
given
Monday
through
Saturday.
P
Until
we
get
this
stuff
knocked
out
on
as
of
May,
it
has
been
to
every
single
supervisor
that
is
saying
it
is
offered
dayit
late.
Mikey
said
they
might
not
come
in
till
3:00
and
ask,
but
you
pretty
much
know
your
work.
You
know
you're
working
and
if
you're
not
working,
then
the
mayor's
office
or
bill
gets
a
phone
call.
So
that's
mine
on
that.
P
The
last
thing
on
somebody
mentioned
equipment,
Dale
Jones,
the
garage
on
operator
on
our
superintendent
did
look
yeah,
some
small
dumps
and
a
couple
of
sweepers
and
they're
looking
with
downriver
to
do
a
five-year
lease
to
purchase.
That's
not
normally
the
case
with
these
big
equipments.
You
have
to
do
it
outright.
They
are
looking
at
that
and
on
Bill
is
supposed
to
be
meeting
with
Dale
at
the
end
of
the
week
to
bring
a
proposal
in
the
mayor
on
to
get
some
of
this
equipment
and
then
put
the
other
stuff
on
a
five-year
plan.
A
A
H
P
Well,
my
last
thing
is:
if
any
union
member
is
coming
to
you
and
saying
that
they're
not
offered
overtime,
tell
that
union
member
to
go
to
their
representative,
because
the
representative
has
not
contacted
us
since
May.
We
have
not.
So
if
somebody's
telling
you
something
different,
the
processes
they
go
to
their
union
representative
enough
you've
been
in
unions
to
know
you
go
to
your
union
representative,
they
do
what
they
have
to
do.
P
H
P
Their
key,
but
but
I
can
tell
you
that
you
know
on
your
Wii
one.
You
don't
schedule
anything
you
can
talk
to
it.
You've
got
people
in
this
off
audience
that
on
your
week
one
you're
not
going
to
schedule
anything.
If
you're
union
representatives
and
your
supervisors
told
you
there
is
overtime
Monday
through
Saturday.
They
are
asking
you
and
if
they
don't
ask,
we.
A
I
You
and
thank
you
for
those
updates,
quick
question
just
for
clarification,
because
I
know
you
shared
several
things
along
a
timeline
and
I
know
your
position
have
changed
recently
as
well
and
forgive
me
because
I'm,
however
long
it's
been
since
July,
first
okay,
so
when
you're
reporting
and
of
course
your
resident
I
want
to
knowledge
that
yes,
but
when
you're
presenting
here,
are
you
still
the
liaison
so
to
speak
between,
like
you
know,
the
department
head
director,
Zimmer
or
mr.
Blackburn,
the
union
members?
Are
you
still
that
person?
P
P
Through
Friday
and
Saturday,
until
we
get
this
list,
there's
a
list
that
goes
back
many
many
years
for
trees
and
it's
because
the
emerald
ash
borer
and
before
that
is
because
of
the
Dutch
elm
disease.
It's
it's
not
just
this.
In
addition,
on,
a
lot
of
trees
were
planted
around
the
1960s
and
those
silver
maples
only
live
about
50
to
60
years.
So
now
we're
having
a
lot
of
problems
with
them
coming
down.
F
P
P
F
P
F
P
It
is
through
the
Union
list.
That's
that's
how
it's
not
a
process
that
needs
to
or
should
be
changed
there.
They
know
and
and
and
like
that
somebody's
whispering
in
the
back.
We
do
have
to
rotate
to
it.
You
can't
have
the
number
three
crews
say:
I
want
to
be
on
trees
for
the
next
four
weeks,
when
the
number
one
crew
can
Trump
poems
gotcha.
Okay.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
L
Someone
up
there,
man
hi,
my
name
is
Tamara.
I
am
an
employee,
but
I'm
gonna
speak
as
a
wife,
because
I
also
have
a
husband
who's
in
DPW
and
Highway,
Department
and
I'll.
Let
you
know
this
that
he
didn't
get
start
asking
every
day
until
probably
end
of
August,
beginning
of
September,
okay
and
personally
ourselves.
We
have
three
kids
and
we're
doing
lots
of
construction
at
our
house
right
now
that
we've
saved
and
planned
for
six
years
so
in
the
last
month,
is
he
able
to
work
a
lot?
No.
Was
he
able
to
work
tonight?
L
Yeah
city
work
last
Saturday?
Yes,
but
before
that,
do
you
know
how
many
times
he
came
home
and
said:
he'd
call
me
at
2:00
o'clock
Oh
anything
going
on
with
kids.
Today,
cuz
I
got
to
work,
overtime,
yep
sure,
not
a
problem.
I
got
the
kids.
Then
he
comes
home.
Oh,
never
mind.
I
got
the
kids.
Only
two
people
could
work
overtime.
It
takes
four
people
for
cutting.
It
takes
two
people
for
cutting
grass
up
until
they
started
asking
everyday.
If
only
three
people
said
yes
to
overtime,
they
still
sent
the
rest
home.
L
Okay,
so
it
saddens
me
that
somebody's
gonna
sit
over
there
and
say:
let's
call
him
ABC:
okay,
let's
call
maybe
C
cuz
I
don't
want
to
ruin
their
name.
What
about
your
employees?
What
are
you
doing
to
your
employees
right
now?
Okay,
you're,
making
them
look
bad
to
the
residents,
and
that's
not
fair
to
that,
especially
since
wait.
These
are
the
same
guys
that
you
said
good
job
and
working
104
hours
in
the
winter
time
for
shoveling
snow,
not
okay
and
not
right.
B
Q
Know
three
overtime:
well,
doesn't
let
me
know
okay,
because
if
people
refuse
to
come
there's
nobody
else
that
can
go
in
except
for
me.
So
the
way
mine
mine
works-
and
it
was
explained
to
me
when
I
first
started
being
in
charge
of
overtime-
is
it
was
similar
to
the
way
they
do
it
in
DPW
every
week.
Someone
knows
that
it's
their
week,
so
potentially
they
could
be
called
in
every
single
day
for
an
animal
or
mostly
animal
emergencies
on
occasions,
an
ordinance
situation.
Q
So
even
though
it's
their
first
week,
they
can
still
refuse
to
do
it,
and
so
then
I
would
go
to
the
person.
That's
second
on
the
list
they
refuse.
I
could
go
to
the
third.
If
they
refuse
I
would
go
to
the
fourth
and
then
we
have
no
one
else
certified
after
that.
So
then
it
would
follow
me
to
come
in
and
address
that
so
and
for
clarifications,
because
I
think
I'll
just
say,
I
have
the
most
respect
for
our
employees.
I
hope
nobody
gets
that
confused.
Q
I
I
helped
some
I've
I've
direct
a
lot
of
people
here
to
even
get
jobs.
Some
of
them
that
were
family
friends
that
I
invited
to
come
work
here,
told
him.
It
was
a
great
place
to
work.
They
didn't,
they
could
have
a
long
here.
The
only
reason
I
keep
when
I
say
that
I'm
concerned
about
using
that
company's
name.
So
much
there's
this
impression
that
that
they're
doing
something
evil
they
are
there.
Q
A
contract
company
that
we
went
to
are
we
selected
in
my
case,
based
on
their
their
experience,
based
on
their
reputation
and
based
on
the
cost
that
they
provided
to
us
in
no
way
is
my
statement
when
I
say
can
I
refer
to
them
as
ABC,
because
their
name
just
keeps
getting
thrown
out
there
all
the
time
as
if
they're
doing
something
wrong,
they
were,
they
were
asked
to
do
it.
They
didn't
come
to
us
and
asked
asked
to
do
it.
Q
J
J
O
It'd
be
nice.
If
all
11
work
you
could
use
all
in
love.
You
could
use
all
of
them
because
we
have
the
high
ranger
the
main
tree
tree
tree
truck
to
do
main
trimming,
but
we
also
have
another
truck
with
a
chipper
on
it,
where
the
guys
can
do
ground
trimming
to
go
up
and
down
the
street
every
house
ground
trim
what
what
they
can
with
the
pole
saw
go
by
with
the
chipper
do
it.