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From YouTube: 3/14/23 - Dearborn Heights Study Session
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The Dearborn Heights Study Session for the CSO, L-42 Scope Modifications taking place Tuesday, March 14th 2023 in the Dearborn Heights Council Chambers and via Zoom.
A
Good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
and
welcome
to
the
5
30
p.m,
study
session
today
is
March
the
14th,
and
we
have
a
study
session
being
presented
by
our
city,
engineer,
alade
and
from
weight
trim,
Von
Martin
one
of
their
representatives,
and
this
is
in
regards
to
cso
l-42
scope,
modifications,
gentlemen,
lady
council,
members,
I'm
gonna,
allow
them
to
go
ahead
and
present
and
then
once
they're
done
we'll
go
ahead
and
ask
any
questions.
If
you
guys
don't
mind,
please
guys
something
else.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
Council,
chair
again.
As
you
indicated,
this
is
one
of
the
largest
cities
projects.
It
is
a
very
important
project.
This
is
a
combined
Source,
overflow
separation.
This
is
a
project
that
is
Bond
funded
that
we
bonded
for
a
few
years
back,
and
this
is
again
one
of
the
largest
projects.
We
are
at
a
cross
point
in
this
project.
This
is
a
two-year
project
it
was
awarded.
B
It
is
in
construction,
I,
think
we
completed
year,
one
we
are
encountering
some
decision
points
that
we
wanted
to
explain
it
to
this
honorable
board
and
ask
for
guidance.
You
know,
oversight,
guidance
selection,
so
we
are
going
to
take
a
quick
tour
at
the
project
from
the
initial
design
to
construction
and
then
show
you
what
what
what
we're
thinking
about
and
then
come
up
we'll
discuss
later
what
the
options
are.
We
have
many
options.
B
We
are
a
crossroad,
they
are
very
important
and
we
we
need
your
guidance
so
with
that
the
project
overview
the
project,
so
we're
going
to
start
with
what
is
a
combined
storage
overflow.
As
you
know,
the
city
of
Dearborn
Heights
has
many
csos
areas
that
are
combined
Source,
sanctuary
and
storm
source
and
in
the
old
days
that
was
a
standard
operating
procedure.
B
The
current
regulations
require
us
to
separate
so
the
the
backwards
DNR
and
now
it's
Eagle.
You
cannot
have
the
possibility
of
sanitary,
so
raw
sores
overflowing
into
rivers
and
streams.
So
with
that,
you
have
cities
have
to
identify
and
come
up
with
a
plan
and
a
timeline
to
separate
these
areas,
so
basically
do
not
allow
the
sanitary
to
go
into
streams
or
Rivers
under
any
circumstances.
So
with
that,
these
are
the
combined
silver
over
little
areas
that
we
had
completed.
B
B
So
the
l42
is
is
because
of
the
level
of
construction
involved
in
the
separation
of
that.
Of
those
two
sewers
is
probably
it's
it's
by
far
the
largest
in
our
city,
so
it
is
underway.
It's
a
two-year
project.
We
are
in
year,
one
now
still
looking
at
final
completion
by
the
end
of
November
of
this
year,
all
right
so
here's
the
the
area
of
the
l42.
This
is
what
the
area
looked
like:
it's
Avondale,
Beach,
Daily,
Cherry,
Hill
and
Gully.
B
That's
the
outlines
so
the
project-
and
this
is
what
that's
that's,
what
we
agreed
to
eat
with
eagle
to
separate.
These
are
the
areas
that
we
separate
the
storm
from
sanitary.
Now,
what
is
the
original
scope?
The
original
scope
of
the
project
was
to
construct
a
new
storm
system
throughout
the
CSO
area,
brand
new
storm
system
and
in
that
area,
in
the
subdivisions
and
connect
to
existing
storm
over
in
the
beach
daily
Road
at
Marshalls.
B
So
Beach
and
Marshall
we've
got
an
upfall
into
the
river,
and
so
we
built
brand
new
storm
and
connect
to
that.
By
doing,
though,
we
cut
utilizing
open,
cut
technique
for
the
installation,
so
we
open
cut
and
we
construct
a
new
sanitary
sewer.
Of
course,
since
we
removed
the
storm,
we
construct
a
new
sanitary
sewer
on
beach
daily
Road
and
connect
it
to
the
existing
Interceptor
near
the
Rouge
River,
and
that
part
is.
B
It
was
designed
as
a
jackhambor
construction,
operation,
Jack
and
Bohr
again
will
show
you
in
a
minute
what
Jack
and
boar
is
and
the
reason
for
that.
It
is
because
it's
less
expensive
than
than
to
open
cut,
so
all
existing
sanitary
sewers
within
the
CSO
area
will
then
be
connected
to
the
new
sanitary
sewer
on
beach
daily,
so
that
entire
area
I
showed
you
will
have
be
connected
to
sanitary.
By
doing
that,
you
separated
the
storm
from
sanitary
and
there
is
no
chance
of
sanitary
and
then
up
in
the
river.
B
So
we
constructed
a
new
water
main
throughout
the
CSO
area.
Again,
even
though
water
main
is
not
a
requirement,
but
what
we
try
to
do
to
be
cost
effective
is
when
we
work
in
a
particular
area.
We
look
at
our
infrastructure
in
that
area
and
if
it's
aged
and
ready
for
replacement,
it
is
more
cost
effective
to
do
it
at
that
time
than
to
come
back
two
years
from
from
then
and
then
excavate
the
same
area
and
do
the
the
work.
B
So
we
are
constructing
new
water
main
throughout
the
CSO
area,
using
pipe
bursting,
and
we
explained
before
what
pipe
bursting
is
you
go
a
pipe
inside
a
pipe,
a
new
person,
so
we
the
road,
the
work
consisted
of
partial
and
full
width,
roadway
replacement.
Again,
some
areas
we
only
needed
to
remove
part
to
get
to
construct
in
some
areas.
We
have
to
do
more
now,
challenges
on
this
project,
so
we
started
the
project
a
year
ago
and
the
challenges
that
we've
encountered.
B
So
this
is
the
outline
of
the
project
and
and,
as
you
know,
in
a
typical
construction
of
that
site
that
size.
The
first
thing
you
do
is
you
do
soil
borings
and
you
try
to
figure
out
what
the
soil
strata
and
the
work
area
is
and
you
design
your
work
around
them.
So
all
these
dots
indicate
soil
borings
that
our
designers
weight,
trim,
utilize,
the
soil
subcontractor
conducted
soil
borings
throughout
all
these
areas
and
determined
what
this
is,
what
is
profile
a
soil
profile,
look
like
and
designed
the
Project
based
on
that
profile
and.
B
B
A
B
B
Right,
Avondale
Avondale
is
there
right
there,
that's
Avondale,
that's
Beach
Daily
and
that's
the
Interceptor
right
there,
so
that
work
was
completed
and
if
you
recall
about
it
two
weeks
ago,
I
brought
I
brought
in
a
change
order
because
of
what
we
encountered
in
the
ground
at
the
depth
of
25
feet
where
the
pipe
is
located,
we
were
hitting,
the
drilling
machine,
was
hidden,
Boulders,
large
Boulders
and
that's
what
they
look
like.
So
anytime,
a
machine
cut
hits
one
of
these
things.
B
You
have
to
stop
excavate
repair
the
machine
and
try
to
get
it
back,
and
you
you
when
I
say
excavate
you're
going
down
25
feet,
it's
not
an
easy
thing,
so
this
has.
That
has
been
so.
This
is
a
soil
strata
that
included
large
Boulders
in
that
particular
area.
That
was
not
seen,
or
it's
not
documented.
No
one
knew
about,
and
this
is
that's
a
sample
of.
These
are
actual
Boulders
from
the
site,
and
this
is
I
was
told
I.
B
F
B
So
we're
getting
to
the
decision
point
now,
so
I
had
asked
that
we
hold
this
session
because
we
need
to
come
up
with
a
decision
on
re-uh
defining
that
project.
So
what
we
have
before
us
are
many
options.
We're
at
decision
points
now
option.
One
is
to
continue
working
the
same
way
as
before
and
take
a
chance
on
hitting
more
Boulders
and
trying
to
excavate
and
and
remove,
and
and
and
so
we
have
two-thirds
of
the
work.
B
B
There
is
a
reasonable
probability
that
we'll
continue
to
hit
buried,
Boulders,
causing
significant
delays
and
adding
additional
cost,
and
then
so.
If
we
take
the
previous
one-third
and
project,
what
the
other
portion
will
be
I'll
be
looking
at
additional
costs
about
ninety
thousand
dollars.
Every
time
we
make
a
change.
B
That's
the
change
order
that
I
brought
in
two
weeks
ago
anyway.
So
so
that's
option.
One
now
option
two.
What
we
can
do
is
install
the
remaining
two-thirds
of
the
sanitary
sewers
using
an
open
cut.
So,
instead
of
taking
the
drill
and
drill
it
at
25
feet,
we
can
just
open
cut
excavate,
which
then
Boulders
will
will
not
impact
the
construction
at
all.
You
can
just
excavate
them
and
then
the
construction
schedule
will
be
able
to
be
maintained.
B
So
we'll
tell
the
contractors
in
lieu
of
a
pit
and
drilling
You
Know
Jack
and
bore
we're
just
gonna,
go
out
and
change
the
scope
and
make
it
an
open
cut,
so
the
disadvantage
this
is.
There
will
be
a
great,
a
great,
more
impact
on
the
residents,
because,
instead
of
having
a
a
pit
excavated
now
you're
gonna
tear
the
street
out
right
disadvantage.
Beach
Daily
Road
will
need
to
be
fully
replaced
right.
However,
Beach
Daily's
current
rating
on
our
Pavements
schedule
is
two
and
three.
So
the
pavement
is
in
poor
condition
regardless.
B
So,
yes,
I
need
to
replace
it,
but
also
it
is
scheduled.
It
needs
to
be
replaced,
and
then
this
will
so,
if
I
do
that,
the
one
at
this
Advantage
notice
that
if
I,
do
this
an
open
cut
and
replace
that
pavement
I
will
be
doing
I
will
be
having
a
brand
new
pavement
from
Avondale
to
Marshall,
and
then
this
last
piece
over
here
between
Marshall
and
and
Cherry
Hill
looks
like
hell.
B
So
now,
if
we,
if
we
select
option
a
option
two
and
replace
that
pavement,
then
we
have
an
offshoot
of
that
option.
2A
which
says
okay.
So
if
I'm
gonna
do
that
street
three
quarter
of
the
way,
why
wouldn't
I
just
finish
the
rest
of
it
and
do
the
pavement?
So
that's
option
2A
advantages,
the
obviously
Boulders
will
not
be
impacted,
won't
impact
us
construction
schedule
will
be
maintained
and
then
we'll
be
consistent.
Pavement
from
Cherry
Hill
all
the
way
to
Avondale,
so
we'll
have
new
pavement
full
width.
B
The
roadway
will
be
replaced.
Also,
it
is
you
know
this
Advantage.
Obviously,
we
will
impact
the
residents
because
we're
doing
now
water
main
statutory
and
storm
sewer,
plus
the
pavement,
but
I
can
still
do
that
and
maintain
schedule,
because
the
contractor
is
on
site
and
then
the
pavement
I
I
will
lose
is
also
a
pavement
that
needs
to
be
replaced
anyway,
now
so
reasons
to
consider
option
two
open
cut
installation.
B
If
the
encounters
continue
to
the
current
on
the
current
average,
we
will
be
looking
at
approximately
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
additional
costs
just
to
deal
with
boulders
and
then
another
another
item
to
consider
beach
daily,
as
as
I
indicated
earlier,
is
currently
rated
two
and
three
and
our
one
to
ten
Pacer
rating
system.
So
it
is
a.
B
If
we
do
the
pavement
work
through
this
contract,
because
the
contractor
is
on
site-
and
we
looked
at
all
these
things
economically-
we're
able
to
complete
that
work
at
eighty
dollars,
a
square
yard
versus
the
last
time,
I
bid
it
at
96.
So
yes,
I
can
do
the
pavement
and
yes,
I
can
do
it,
the
less
cost
than
going
back
and
doing
it
separately,
because
it'll
be
mobilization
and
all
that
good
stuff.
B
So
one
more
consideration
if,
as
if
this
project
wasn't
complicated
enough,
we
the
area
that
we
were
considering
open
cut
in,
has
experienced
a
large
number
of
water
main
breaks
throughout
the
winter,
meaning
that
the
water
lines
in
that
location
which
are
outside
the
scope
are,
are
at
or
Beyond
useful
life
and
we
track
water
main
breaks
on
a
map.
So
we
can
tell
you
geographically,
where
each
main
is
so
we're
at
a
point
where
we're
band-aiding
Band-Aids.
B
So
if
we
are
to
excavate
an
open
cut
and
remove
the
pavement,
it
might
be
a
wise
decision
to
also
replace
the
water
main
at
that
point,
because
it'll
be
a
lot
less
expensive.
That
way.
So
at
this
point
to
replace
the
existing
water
main
between
Avondale
and
Cherry,
and
this
that
by
doing
that,
we,
you
know
we
will
address
because
we're
tracking
water
main
breaks
throughout
the
city.
B
Now
these
are
project
photos.
Okay,
these
are
the
actual
project
photos
from
the
construction.
You
know
the
contractor,
given
the
the
area
and
lack
of
of
available
records
is
actually
doing
good.
It
is,
it
is
a
decision
Point.
The
scope
did
not
take
into
account
all
the
things
that
that
we
identify
again
keep
in
mind.
The
original
scope
was
to
satisfy
Eagles
requirement
to
separate
storm
and
sanitary
and
that
we're
doing
that.
It's
just
the
rest
of
the
stuff
that
creeped
up
on
us
during
construction.
A
G
B
B
I
I
D
B
C
I
D
I
A
I
B
I
B
A
So
so
I
got
a
question:
yes,
sir,
so
the
additional
items
like,
for
example,
the
asphalt
you're
talking
about
all
this
stuff,
all
the
underground
stuff
that
you
said
you
highly
recommend
anyways.
If
you
take
those
out
of
the
equation,
what's
the
comparison
in
cost
because
to
me
those
additional
items
like
you're
done
with
the
street,
you
know
this
friend
I
rated
two
and
three.
Those
are
some
we're
gonna
have
to
do
anyway,
so
you
take
those
out
of
the
cost.
What's
the
difference
in
prices.
B
A
B
A
See
it
no
I
recognize
that,
but
what
I'm
saying
is
based
on
option
A
right,
you
stated
that
these
are
things
that
we're
gonna
have
to
do.
Eventually,
yes,
anyways
water
main
breaks,
you
know.
Eventually,
we
have
to
deal
with
them
in
an
additional
asphalt
on
top.
We
have
to
eventually
deal
with
them.
So
to
me,
I
don't
consider
that
as
a
cause,
because
that's
something
we're
gonna
have
to
deal
with
either
way,
if
not
today,
tomorrow,
unfortunately,.
B
It
was
so
two
advantage
and
disadvantage
advantages.
It's
it's!
It's
it's
done
at
one
time!
So
as
as
Mr
councilman
Muscat
said,
if
the
water
main
breaks
tomorrow,
I
don't
have
to
come
in
and
cut
brand
new
pavement.
So
if
I
do
the
pavement,
don't
do
the
water
main
when
I
go
to
repair
it
I
have
to
excavate
new
pavement.
D
Your
the
cost
so
there's
multiple
reasons:
the
cost
Effectiveness
the
95
versus
80,
which
95
is
a
good
price,
but
80
is
you,
won't
ever
get
that
on
the
street
if
you
bid
it
out
and
so
I
think
that,
along
with
the
water
main
being
aging-
and
it's
it's
a
if
you
have
the
funds,
if
you're
able
to
do
it,
it's
it's
something
that
it
just
makes
sense
to
do,
and
the
value
is
there.
Okay,.
H
And
director
Conrad
all
right,
I
found
it's
it's
a
win
situation
for
the
entire
project.
I
mean
yes,
it's
a
burden
to
bear
the
extra
expense
for
doing
the
work,
but
I
mean
to
have
fresh
pavement
that
wasn't
part
of
the
project
and
having
new
water
main
through
there
through
Beach
Daily.
That
wasn't
part
of
the
original
project
is.
Nothing
is
just
going
to
help
us
stay
away
from
that
area
in
the
future.
In.
E
B
H
E
E
Concrete
and
when
you
first
come
off
and
I'm
so
sorry,
but
when
you
first
enter
from
Cherry
Hill
heading
towards
Avondale,
so
you're
on
beach,
daily
you're,
Crossing,
Cherry
Hill,
it
becomes
it's
a
bunch
of
asphalt
and
then
it
turns
into
concrete
right
and
if
you
know
that
that
right
there
at
the
curve,
I
think
means
you
have
had
that
conversation
a
couple
of
times.
You
start
seeing
these
really
big
craters
big
holes.
Will
that
will
you
can
you
push
out
the
concrete
a
little
bit
more
so
that
you're
not
not
running
in.
B
A
B
A
I
I
Is
weight
room
going
to
be
there
for
inspection
and
testing?
Be
sure
the
concrete
is
the
right
strength
and
the
finished
jobs
are
correct.
Yes,
sir,
because
in
the
past
our
finished
jobs
have
not
been
that
good.
We
had
problems
on
on
Hass
I
got
Charles
worth
that
looks
real
horrible
I
just
want
to
make
sure
this.
This
project
goes
good
and
get
tested
and
inspected
properly.
Yes,.
G
C
Thank
you,
Council
chair,
so
I
take
the
house
as
an
Inkster
that
tap
to
the
back
right.
They
don't
use
our
sewers
so
just
to
make
it
easy
from
looking
at
the
the
project.
We
go
with
the
option
b.
That
would
be
800
000,
but
then
councilman
Muscat
brought
a
good
like
a
good
point
about
the
water
main
and
that's
another
250
000.
So
now
we're
looking
over
a
million
dollars
yeah
well
versus.
If
we
go
with
option
one,
there
would
be
a
maybe
200
000
if
it
depends
how
many
Boulders
option
one
option.
D
D
It's
800
for
the
roadway
and
700
for
the
water
main.
What
what
councilman
Muscat
had
asked
about
that
section
from
Marshall
to
Cherry
Hill
for
the
water
main?
That
would
be
an
additional
200.
So
that's
200
000
out
of
the
seven
hundred
thousand
that
would
be
for
water
main
and
then
250
000
out
of
the
800
000
for
the
roadway
replacement.
B
C
D
B
D
B
Rating
system,
so
we
we
we
actually
have
and
I'll
be
happy
to
share.
Maybe
the
next
presentation
we
have,
we
constantly
update,
we
drive
through
consultant
all
the
streets
in
the
city
of
Jordan,
Heights
and
radam
rate
the
streets.
So
the
idea
behind
that
is
so
that
when
you
go
for
a
replacement,
you
want
to
know
what
sections
are
rated
bad.
So
the
rating
system
is
one
to
ten
garbage
10
being
brand
new
right.
B
So
in
everything
between
so
anywhere
we
we
look
at
a
map
and
then
it's
color
coded
and
we
constantly
update
it
and
I'll
be
happy
to
share
it
with
all
of
you.
It's
you
know.
So
that's
what
we
use
for
bases
when
we
go
put
our
budget
together,
which
we
recently
did.
So
we
put
the
budget
stating
that
look.
We
have
so
many
linear
miles
of
of
red.
B
F
B
Didn't
I
didn't
say
it
was
extra
councilman.
No,
what
I
said
there's
money,
but
no
the
extra,
so
so
the
projects
that
were
estimated
when
the
bond
funds
were
were
when
the
bonds
were
sold
are
not
coming
true,
so
I
ca,
I
kept
track
of
what
was
estimated
back
when
the
bonds
were
sold
versus
what
actual
bids
are
coming
in
today.
So
that's.
Why
we're
looking
at
alternative
funding
to
finish
those
projects?
So
we
currently
have
a
request
for
sraf
funding.
B
F
B
F
B
Right
so
so,
alternatively-
and
we
have
no
problem,
continue
doing
what
we're
doing
now
with
no
changes.
However,
if
we
continue
to
have
water
main
breaks
in
that
area,
we
will
continue
to
pay
for
water
main
and
also
the
pavement
itself.
If
we
have
to
come
back
and
and
replace
the
paper
which
we
we
will
at
two
and
three,
it's
rated
low,
that
means
I'm
going
to
be
paying
the
90
a
yard
versus
versus
what
I'm
paying.
Now
you.
F
H
B
I
did
talk
to
them;
they
did
that
multiple
times.
The
the
only
answer
he
gave
me
and
I
did
speak
to
their
city
engineer
is
that
if
we
ever
have
to
work
on
the
on
the
sores
or
you
know
the
catch
basins,
you
know
I
don't
want
to
deal
with
asphalt
and
Patch.
It
I
want
to
be
cut
that
and
do
concrete.
It
doesn't
make
any
sense.
They
stopped
doing
it
by
the
way
because
they
got
retired.
F
A
For
the
sake
of
time,
okay
yeah,
we
have
to
respond
to
General
presentation,
keep
in
mind
when
they
come
back
to
city
council
at
a
later
date.
You'll
have
an
opportunity
to
either
ask
more
questions
then,
or
in
addition
to
that
between
now
and
then
you're
welcome,
of
course,
to
contact
any
one
of
the
gentlemen
right
to
ask
additional
questions.
But
with
that
being
the
case
before
we
finish
our
study
session,
we
are
cognitive
of
the
fact
that
we
got
a
city
council.
A
C
A
A
C
B
I
B
Get
the
numbers
and
when,
when
I
present
it
as
a
change
to
the
contract,
to
you,
it
will
be
exact
numbers,
because
that
would
be
a
contract
modifications
right,
so
I
will
have
to
get
based
on
the
decision.
I
will
have
to
get
the
contractor
to
agree
to
it
and
I'll
present
it
to
you
for
approval,
and
then
it
will
amend
the
contract.
But
that's
what
I
need
just
that.
If
you
want
me
to
prepare
to
a
I,
will.