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From YouTube: Dearborn Heights Study Session - 4/19/22
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The Dearborn Heights Study Session regarding the 2022-2023 Corporate Fund Budget taking place Tuesday, April 19th 2022 in the Dearborn Heights Council Chambers and via Zoom.
A
All
right
at
this
particular
point
the
time
right
now.
It's
5
40
p.m.
We're
going
to
be
doing
2022,
2023
city
budget
and
our
schedule
today
is
from
5
30
p.m.
After
we
finish
we're
gonna,
be
doing
opening
remarks,
mayor's
office
city
council,
corporation
council
budget,
treasurer's
office,
budget,
comptroller's
office,
budget,
human
resources,
civil
service
act,
78,
assessor
clerk
and
elections
budget.
A
I
met
with
our
chief
of
staff
and
our
interim
comptroller
david
sabuda,
and
the
way
we're
going
to
be
doing
this
is
he's
going
to
go
out
and
give
us
a
presentation
department
by
department
us
as
council
members
we're
not
going
to
be
interrupting
the
presentation
we
can.
Let
him
finish
his
presentation
once
he's
done
with
his
presentation.
We
will
go
ahead
and
ask
any
questions
that
we
have
on
the
council
and
then
we
will
go
ahead
and
go
to
the
next
budget
and
then
so
on
and
so
on
and
so
on.
A
Each
director
will
be
there
with
mr
sabuda
just
in
case.
We
have
specific
questions
for
the
directors
directly
at
that
particular
point
and
then
at
the
end,
anybody
from
the
audience
or
on
zoom
may
ask
whatever
particular
questions
that
they
have
either
for
the
council
members
or
for
any
particular
director
or
maybe
even
for
the
controller.
A
If
there's
something
on
the
agenda
that
becomes
gets
to
the
point
where
it
needs
a
much
longer
discussion,
then
the
plan
is
we're
going
to
take
those
particular
subjects.
We're
going
to
let
our
clerk's
office
know
we're
going
to
take
those
to
the
reserve
date
and
then
go
into
a
much
deeper
discussion
on
those
in
the
event.
A
There's
something
that's
I
don't
use
the
words
controversial,
but
just
needs
a
little
bit
more
in-depth
conversation
about
and
the
reason
we
do
that
so
that
we
don't
delay
all
the
different
directors
of
other
budgets
are
going
to
be
coming
up.
In
addition
to
that,
I've
asked
mr
cebuda
to
give
us
a
general
explanation
on
each
particular
budget
before
he
starts
at
a
particular
department's
budget.
General
explanation
as
to
you
know
direction
they're
going
in
that
particular
budget.
Major
changes
that
have
happened
from
the
last
budget
that
we.
B
A
And
I
will
go
ahead
and
do
the
presentation
any
questions
at
all.
Okay,
the
only
thing
I
need
to
clarify
what
you
feel
would
be
better.
Is
it
better
to
go
ahead
and
go
into
counsel
questions?
I
think,
let's
do
it
department
by
department?
Yes,
sir?
Yes,
let's
do
it
as
department
department.
Yes,
so
that's
my
opening
remarks,
mr
mayor,
do
you
have
anything
you
would
like
to
say?
Okay,
mr
sabuda
who's
been
doing
a
great
job
by
the
way
is
our
interim
director,
comptroller
and
hopefully
long-term
comptroller
god.
C
C
C
You
have
quite
a
spending
plan
here.
Dearborn
heist
does
a
lot
of
good
things,
services,
the
public
in
a
lot
of
great
ways,
and
this
budget
supports
those
services.
What
I'd
like
to
do
first
is:
oh,
I
will
I
will
thank
you.
What
I'd
like
to
do?
First,
is
we
threw
a
lot
of
information
at
you
and
in
the
notebook?
There
are
three
basic
documents
that
I
think
are
the
most
important
and
the
first
by
far
the
most
important
is
the
draft
resolution.
C
As
you
go
through
that
we
talk
about
all
the
funds.
We
talk
about
the
revenues
and
the
expenses
personal
services
and
it's
a
great
overview
of
what
we
have
and
then,
of
course,
the
final
piece
is
the
detail,
which
is
the
tabs,
which
show
the
revenues
and
all
11
funds
are
together
on
the
revenue
side
and
then
on
the
expense
side.
C
We
break
out
the
expenses
by
fund
type,
which
is
the
general
fund
or
the
corporate
fund,
and
then
what
you
have
is
your
special
revenue
funds
and
then
the
enterprise
fund,
which
is
the
water
sewer
and
everything
that
everything
that
we
will
deal
with
over
the
next.
We
have
eight
or
four
study.
Six
study
sessions
is
incorporated
in
here
and
again
goes
back
to
the
resolution.
A
If
you
do
me
a
favor
controller,
sir,
on
the
proposed
comprehensive
budget
for
fiscal
year,
2022-23,
the
proposed
the
first
three
four
pages
for
those
members
of
the
audience
that
may
not
have
that
in
front
of
them
either
here
or
on
zoom.
Can
you
give
at
least
a
summary
of
those?
Maybe
at
least
paragraph
by
paragraph.
D
D
C
C
C
All
right,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
why
are
we
here?
State
law
says
that
public
active
1968
requires
appropriation
of
all
operating
funds
and
that
all
operating
funds
be
balanced.
You
have
11
of
them
again
from
the
corporate
fund,
which
is
the
general
fund,
eight
special
revenue
funds,
the
tiff
and
the
water
sewer
fund.
C
C
C
If
the
council
is
looking
for
information,
ask
us-
and
we
will
try
to
bring
that
back
to
you,
the
next
meeting
that
we
meet
or
the
as
soon
as
we
can
within
those
that
six
meeting
time
frame
so
councilmember
bayden.
I
know
you
asked
for
some
some
detailed
salary
information.
What
we
will
do
is
we
will
bring
that
back
to
you
answer
your
question.
Yes,
we
will
bring
that
back
to
you
by
department
and
we
will
bring
it
back
to
you
by
segment.
D
C
Open
that
and
marianna
correct
me
on
that.
Yes,
okay,
great
question:
excellent
you're
welcome
all
right
expenditure
highlights
across
all
operating
funds,
so
across
all
11
operating
funds.
Okay,
these
are,
in
my
opinion,
the
biggest
items
that
should
be
in
your
presentation.
Councilman,
you
should
you
should
have
the
account.
You
should
have
the
presentation.
D
C
Okay,
I
know
the
clerk
she's
very
good
and
very
efficient
okay,
so
these
are
the
top
nine.
Basically,
the
first
one
is
2.2.18
million
in
capital
equipment
replacement
purchases.
This
is
various
equipment
in
the
police
department.
The
fire
department
department
of
public
works,
the
recreation
department.
C
This
is
where
you'll
be
seeing
throughout
the
the
next
six
meetings
requests
totaling,
2.18
million
in
capital
equipment
built
into
the
budget.
Our
agreed
upon
salary
staff
increases.
So
what
happens?
Is
you
have
younger
employees
that
are
coming
through
the
salary
structures
based
up
upon
their
based
upon
their
contractual
obligation,
our
contractual
obligations?
C
Those
increases
are
built
into
the
into
the
various
budgets
as
we
go
through.
As
you
can
see
the
open
positions
we
talked
about
this
earlier,
one
1.055
million
in
open
positions
that
is
they're
not
new.
I
apologize
1.5
million
in
gas
b,
75
volt
contributions-
this
is
pre-funding
of
defined
benefit,
defined,
benefit
healthcare
that
we
are
required
to
do
under
public
act.
202
of
2017..
C
We
have
approximately
5
million
dollars
worth
of
debt
payment
commitments
that
we
must
make.
That
is
the
first
items
that
we
appropriated
for
when
we
put
the
budgets
together:
3.3
million
in
major
and
local
street
maintenance
expenditures
and
3.1
million
in
to
be
determined
road
and
bridge
reconstruction
expenditures
are
part
of
this
upcoming
budget.
G
C
C
A
C
Well,
a
lot
of
them
are
in
the
water
sewer
fund.
You
have
srf
funding,
federal,
clean
water
debt
commitments
that
are
out
there,
the
the
new
there's
a
new.
Is
it
there's
a
the
fire
truck?
That's
out
there,
telephones
as
we
go
through
the
departments.
I
will
point
them
out.
You
have
telephone
telephones
are
out
there
they're
finishing
up,
you
also
I'm
sorry
yeah
the
telephone
and
the
printers.
So
as
we
go
through
you'll
see
some
you'll
see
three
of
them
tonight
you
have
a
sanitation
debt.
C
That's
out
there
I'll
I'll
point,
those
out
to
you
as
we
go
through
and
you'll
see
those
and
I'll
give
you
the
expiration
dates,
so
you
can
kind
of
gauge
as
to
when
those
fall
off:
okay,
okay,
great
and
council
member
ahmad.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
Yes,
we
have
18
positions.
Two
new,
that's
out
of
that
was
18
of
the
two.
C
F
C
F
C
C
Service,
yes,
that's
how
much
you
prefer.
Yes,
sir.
Thank
you.
You're
welcome,
good
question.
Okay,
anything
else,
excellent,
all
right
revenues
by
fun
type;
okay.
So,
when
you
look
at
all
11
funds,
okay,
this
includes
the
general
fund.
This
includes
water,
sewer,
your
capital
improvement
funds,
we're
going
to
be
asking
you
to
appropriate
109
million
648
098
in
revenues.
D
C
D
I
C
So
that's
a
great
point
and
I'm
glad
you
brought
it
up
so
what's
happening
here
is
we
received
actually
received
the
cash
in
2021,
okay,
but
what
we
did
is
we
have
it
as
a
liability
on
the
books
and
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
accounting
okay.
So
it's
on
the
balance
sheet,
we're
going
to
bring
it
out
of
the
balance
sheet.
Now
we're
going
to
bring
it
in
as
revenue,
okay
and
we're
going
to
drop
part
of
it
into
the
general
fund
and
the
majority
of
it
into
the
water
sewer
fund.
C
There
are
lost
revenues,
okay
and
those
lost
revenues,
we're
picking
those
up
and
we're
bringing
that
into
the
general
fund.
So
we're
looking
at
2020
2021
2022.
What
were
our
lost
revenues,
which
is
really
our?
What
did
we
overspend
going
through
the
general
fund
and
we're
bringing
that
money
into
the
into
the
general
fund?
Then
the
balance
we're
putting
into
the
water
sewer
fund
for
cso
projects
that
mr
dibb
has
to
do
to
meet
eagles
requirements
to
come
into
compliance
with
the
clean
water
act
of
1972..
C
A
C
C
J
The
primary
area
that
they're
focusing
on
is
water
and
sewer
projects,
which
is
why
we're
choosing
that
fund
to
provide
services
too.
It
can
also
help
with
some
areas
of
covid,
such
as
revenue
loss,
which
we're
also
tackling
into
and
there's
other
areas
such
as
broadband
and
other
very
restricted
areas
that
we
have
shared
with
you.
When
it
first
came
about,
we
are
getting
ready
to
start
dispersing
those
funds
on
the
upcoming
fiscal
year,
so
you
will
hear
a
lot
more
about
it
as
we
go
through
them,
but.
A
C
Okay,
like
this,
that
works
better.
Okay,
all
right,
any
other
questions
on
revenues,
excellent
questions,
all
right:
let's
move
along
expenditures
all
right,
so
across
all
11
operating
funds,
117
million
894
168.,
with
57.1
million
being
recommended
for
appropriation
or
for
budget
in
the
general
fund,
47.9
million
in
the
water
sewer
fund,
1.7
million
in
the
capital,
improvement
fund
or
the
tiff,
and
then
the
special
revenue
funds,
all
eight
of
them.
11.0
million
dollars
across
those
eight
funds
which
the
majority
of
those
special
revenue
funds
is
the
major
and
local
street
funds.
C
A
C
C
So
what
we're
doing
is
we're
putting
those
bomb
proceeds
into
play
and
we
are
starting
to
spend
those
bomb
proceeds
on
various
cso
projects,
water
meter
projects
and
other
and
other
other
work
that
mr
dibb
is
doing
out
at
the
out
of
the
water
sewer
fund.
So
that
is
your
difference.
That
is
the
big
difference
as
to
why
you
have
more
expenses
than
revenue,
so
spending
bond
proceeds.
Okay,
thank
you.
You're
welcome,
good.
D
C
We
only
have
one
other.
We
only
have
one
other
fund
that
is
on.
That
is
a
little
bit
more
expense
than
revenue,
and
that
is
the
drug
forfeiture
fund.
It's
that's
the
one
fund
that
is
spending
a
little
bit
more,
but
that's
the
purpose
of
that
fund.
You
wanna,
spend
those
dollars
and
get
those
dollars
spent
so
that
it
gets
back
into
the
into
the
departments
here
at
the
city
council,
chair.
G
C
Bond
proceeds,
okay,
so
we've
sold
those
and
those
those
dollars
are
on
are
in
hand.
You
have
them
so
no
worries
there
and
you're
really
prohibited
by
law
to
invest
those
dollars.
The
federal
government
frowns
on
that
they
call
it
arbitrage
all
right.
So
what
you
do
is
you?
You
have
the
dollars
they're
sitting
in
a
regular
checking
account
and
earning
just
the
regular
rate
of
interest
which,
as
you
know,
you
look
at
your.
You
look
at
your
bank
statement.
C
I
look
at
mine,
it's
pretty
low
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
that's
what
the
federal
government
wants
you
to
do.
If
you
were
to
invest
those
dollars.
Aggressively
federal
government
would
frown
upon
that.
I
won't
get
into
the
big
details,
but
you
could
lose
your
at
the
end
of
the
day.
Theoretically,
you
could
lose
your
nonprofit
status
and
those
bonds
could
become
taxable
and
you
don't
want
to
do
that.
You've
sold
those
as
non-taxable
issues.
C
Okay,
good
question,
all
right:
moving
along
restricted
and
unrestricted
ending
fund
balances
by
fund
type.
This
is
where
we
think
we're
going
to
end
up.
At
the
end
of
the
day
at
on
june
30th
2023,
you
can
see
the
general
fund
8.9
million,
and
I
first
of
all
before
we
get
into
these
numbers,
I
want
to
stress
upon
the
council.
This
is
not
cash.
C
C
C
C
C
There
are
a
number
of
factors
you
have
your.
How
much
is
in
the
pool.
As
far
as
your
six
percent
sales
tax,
that's
that
money
coming
back
to
us
here,
so
when
people
go
to
the
store
and
they're
buying
goods
they're
buying
goods
that
are
taxed,
our
share
coming
back
to
the
local
is
7.4
million.
This
is
always
a
bone
of
contention
with
us
with
with
the
state
treasury
I
won't
get
into
that
today,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
they're
all
adding
to
us
7.4
million.
C
C
No,
no,
no,
including
the
tif
being
used
absolutely
so.
You
have
capital
projects
in
there,
but
also
remember
we're
providing
service
for
the
tif
and
they're
they're
supporting
various
programs
in
there
you're
right,
good
question.
So
what's
recitative
you
have
water
sewer,
okay,
the
library,
okay,
those
dollars
they'll
bring
a
portion
back
to
us
off
the
top
of
my
head
yep,
that's
the
kind
of
revenues
that
are
coming
back
sure,
no
good
questions
all
right
on
the
expense
side.
C
G
C
This
is
what
we're
appropriating
for
the
upcoming
year.
This
is
what
we
think
we're
going
to
be
able
to
get
this
year.
Okay,
so
if
everything
goes
perfectly,
yes,
we
think
we're
going
to
get
3.1,
3.168
million
or
at
least
book
a
receivable
and
record
the
revenue
for
for
the
activity
that
has
occurred,
we'll
at
least
have
spent
that
money,
and
then
we've
got
an
iou
from
the
federal
government.
Do.
C
Absolutely
very
conservative
you're
welcome
okay,
okay,
we
go
to
expenditures,
you
can
see
all
the
details
here,
but
in
the
in
the
southwest
part
of
the
of
the
of
the
pie
graph,
you
can
see
where
most
of
the
resources
go.
46
of
of
revenues
head
to
the
fire
department
and
the
police
department
all
right,
those
those
are
the
big
numbers-
that's
what's
happening
here.
C
C
Yes,
that's
a
lot
of
money.
Yes,
sir.
Yes,
sir,
okay,
good
questions,
good
points,
anything
else
here:
okay,
no,
you
sure,
okay,
very
good,
councilman,
all
right
unrestricted
fund
balances,
2019
through
6,
30,
23.,
very
important
slide.
This
measures,
fiscal
health,
okay,
the
state
of
michigan
department
of
treasury.
This
is
one
of
the
first
indicators
as
to
fiscal
health
for
a
community.
C
C
Now.
What
I
want
to
point
out
to
you
is
this:
in
the
red,
the
two
million
dollars
to
reach
5.9
in
2020
council
said
that
there
was
two
million
dollars
of
a
signed
fund
balance
that
they
unrestricted
and
it
went
into
the
unrestricted
column
or
the
unrestricted
fund
balance
of
the
general
fund
and
that
pushed
fund
balance
from
3.9
to
5.9
million
dollars.
One
time
money,
one
time
very
important
here.
C
C
C
C
Get
there
okay,
those
are
challenges.
Council
is
going
to
have
to
work
through
as
we
go
through
this
budget
and
as
you
go
through
the
budget
process
into
the
future,
because,
as
you
see,
if
you
didn't
have
the
2
million
and
you
didn't
have
the
2.1
million,
you
see
that
line
at
the
bottom.
The
dotted
white
line
at
the
bottom
you'd
be
around
100
100
000
bucks
in
fund
balance.
C
So,
as
you
can
see,
spending
is
outpacing
revenues
year
in
year
out
here,
okay
and
yes,
we
have
to
deal
as
we
go
through
life
we've
gotta,
we
gotta
bring
that
down.
We've
gotta
balance.
We
gotta
find
that
balance
as
we
work
through
our
fiscal
issues,
but
very,
very,
very
strong
here,
the
the
the
one-time
dollars
here,
any
other
questions
here
on
this
chart
very
big
okay
overtime.
E
C
C
D
A
David,
I
had
some
concerns
when
I
looked
over
this
particular
graph
when
I
counted
the
top
three,
which
is
water
and
sewer
over
time,
fire,
overtime
and
police
overtime-
and
I
know
we're
understaffed
in
all
three
departments
but
at
the
same
time,
you're
talking
about
2.1
million
in
overtime.
That's
a
lot
of
money.
Yes,
sir
in
overtime!
So-
and
I
know
this
question
would
mean
to
you
directly,
but
this
is
probably
more
to
the
administration
or
maybe
to
the
specific
departments
in
there
some.
A
C
C
That
52
is
police
and
fire.
It
is
not
the
water
sewer
piece,
but
the
police
and
fire
52
percent
more
that
we've
agreed
to
that.
We
need
to
come
up
with
so
with
that
being
said,
the
way
we're
going
after
this
as
we
go
through
the
budgets
and,
as
you
see
the
individual
budgets
what's
going
to
happen
here
is
if
we
fill
the
open
positions,
this
number
will
come
down
and
the
budget
is
is
set
up
to
fill
the
positions
and
the
numbers
are
much
lower.
So
what
we
did
for
police?
C
We
were
asking
for
650
000
in
overtime,
which
is
the
same
amount
as
last
year
in
fire,
we're
asking
for
400,
which
is
the
same
amount
as
last
year
and
in
water,
we're
asking
for
194
000,
which
is
the
same
amount
as
last
year,
but
these
would
still
be
high
amounts.
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
there's
some
things
that
you
can
and
can't
control.
D
C
D
G
Only
client
has
to
be
monitored
very
closely
and
actually
justified
why
they
did
the
overtime
they
couldn't
have
done.
The
work
at
regular
working
hours,
so
every
director
is
watching
through
all
the
time
right
now
and
we're
trying
to
see
since
we
have
the
meaning
we're
starting
to
see
the
numbers
come
down.
G
C
Well,
if
they
have
water
main
breaks
that
drives,
that
will
drive
the
they
have
water
main
breaks
that
will
drop.
That
will
drive
over
time.
If
you
look
at
the
the
dpw,
the
207
000,
okay,
that
will
drop
that
that
over
time
is
due
to
to
the
weather,
you
know:
they're
plowing,
streets,
they're,
salting
streets,.
C
C
Okay,
now
we're
going
to
talk
about
water
sewer.
We
talked
a
little
bit
about
this
earlier
estimated
expenditures:
47.975
million
30
million
30.3
million
in
bond
projects.
There's
a
street
sweeper
there
for
297
000
wholesale
water
costs
for
galiwa,
4.150
million.
That's
what
it
costs
to
buy
water
from
galiwa.
That's
what
we're
projecting
and
it
costs
more
to
flush.
C
So,
as
you
can
see
seven
and
a
half
million
dollars-
and
this
goes
back
to
the
clean
water
act
of
1972-
the
federal
clean
water
act.
So
that's
what
we're
we're
staying
in
compliance
with
that
federal
law.
We
do
not
want
to
get
hauled
back
into
court
into
federal
court
and
when
you
sewer
costs
the
money,
so
it's
seven
and
a
half
million
dollars
between
the
time
we
publish
the
budget
that
we
brought
out
to
you
and
today,
dua
has
come
out
with
an
increase,
a
higher
increase
than
anticipated.
C
So
we're
going
to
ask
you
to
raise
that
seven
and
a
half
million
dollars
another
three
hundred
thousand.
They
jumped
it
from
four
percent
to
eight
point
three
percent,
so
it's
an
extra
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
to
the
ratepayers
of
of
dearborn
heights.
So
when
we
get
to
that
budget,
I
will
point
that
out
to
you.
This
is
where
we
need
the
extra
three
hundred
thousand
in
order
to
cover
that
cost.
C
This
thursday,
okay,
today's
tuesday,
that's
right.
So
this
thursday
and
they're
gonna
they're
gonna
put
the
finishing
touches
on
that
on
that
charge.
Any
questions
here,
okay,
the
good
news-
is:
we
have
the
funds
to
pay
water
sewer
highlights.
Okay,
we
have
estimated
revenues
of
37.668
million.
Now
this
is
different
than
your
package.
C
I
changed
this
slide,
so
if
you
would
please,
let's
stay
here
on
on
the
screen,
the
estimated
revenue
is
37.668
million.
26.2
million
are
appropriated
for
charges
for
for
services
or
69
of
the
total
revenue
that
we're
going
to
need
for
the
upcoming
year.
Here
is
the
10
million
in
arpa
dollars.
American
relief
plan
act,
the
transfer
in
from
the
general
fund,
the
10
million,
and
then
we
also
have
1.125
million
in
fema
grant
reimbursement.
C
Okay,
so
the
big
components
on
the
revenue
side
for
water
sewer,
okay,
is
charges
for
services.
That's
your
water
bill!
That's
what
we're
looking
at
here:
the
american
relief
plan,
10
million
and
that's
coming
from
the
general
fund.
Those
are
dollars
in
hand
and
then
the
the
fema
grant
reimbursement,
1.125
million
in
and
that's
the
revenue
side
for
water
sewer.
Now,
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
delve
in
a
little
bit
further
the
estimated
charges.
C
C
C
okay,
so
that's
there
that
is
appropriated
all
right.
So
that's
part
of
the
numbers
that
you've
seen
all
along.
I
don't
want
to
hide
this.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
out
there,
you
can
see
the
water
and
the
sewer
rate
increase.
This
is
what's
been
proposed
in
the
january
study,
the
january
22
study
that
was
approved
in
march.
This
is
the
next
year
going
going
through,
but.
C
C
C
C
Okay,
so
what
it
is,
is
this
good
point?
You
see?
Okay,
so
if
I
come
back
to
the
prior
slide
that
you
don't
have
37668
you'll
see
the
next
line.
Charges
for
services
above
my
shoulder
here-
that
26.2
carries
to
this
slide
26.2,
so
we're
we're
taking
that
we're
taking
that
piece
out
of
that.
First
slide
sliding
it
into
the
second
slide
and
giving
you
that
detail.
F
F
C
G
F
C
C
C
We
covered
the
two
major
funds
where
the
majority
of
the
dollars
are
coming
from
water
and
sewer
and
general
fund.
So
as
we
go
through
now,
we're
going
to
really
now
focus
on
the
expenditure
side
of
the
operation
and
where
those
dollars
are
going.
So
if
you
have
specific
questions
regarding
revenues,
please
feel
free
to
forward
those
and
we'll
get
you
your
answers
and
we'll
we'll
cover
those
in
the
future
sessions,
but
we're
really
going
to
now
focus
on
on
expense.
C
I
F
A
I
M
Hello,
rachel
lapointe
merrick
street
dearborn
heights.
I
just
have
a
quick
question
on
revenues
last
year,
if
my
math
is
correct,
were
three
million
short
on
our
estimated
revenues
based
on
projected
activity,
comparing
our
amended
budget
from
last
year
to
the
projected
activity
for
this
year,
we're
five
percent
short
on
our
estimated
revenues.
C
M
M
C
C
There's
no
that's
my
question.
No,
there
is
no
norm.
Every
municipality
is
different.
Every
every
community
does
things
a
little
bit
differently
right.
Some
communities
have
good
years.
Some
communities
have
bad
years.
Some
communities
take
take,
hits
fiscally
larger
depending
on
what
type
of
community.
So,
for
instance,
dearborn
heights
is
classified
as
a
bedroom
community,
not.
C
Not
a
lot
of
commercial,
however,
if
you
have
a
ford
plant
in
your
in
your
neighborhood
down
the
street
in
wayne,
you
lose
the
floor
plan
they're
in
trouble
and
and
you'll
see
the
swings.
That's
the
best
example
I
can
give
you.
Somebody
loses
a
manufacturing
facility,
they
lose
a
chemical
facility
and
my
where
I
live.
M
C
C
N
C
C
N
E
N
N
C
C
C
Please
remember.
The
state
constitution
requires
that
this
benefit
be
that
if
this
benefit
is
there
that
it
be
funded,
so
you
have
obligations
here.
Okay
and
remember,
the
market
goes
up,
the
market
goes
down,
experience
is
good.
Experience
is
bad
and
what
I
mean
by
experiences
you
have,
you
have
people
that
are
coming
onto
the
system
and
you
have
people
who
are
leaving
the
system.
C
Okay,
so
all
that
is
factored
in
and,
quite
frankly,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you
want
to
make
sure
you've
got
your
obligations
covered
okay
and
we're
recommending
that
you
fund
fully
what
what
the
cost
is
for
employer
contribution,
the
retiree
healthcare,
the
paygo
piece,
the
unfunded
pre-funding
of
the
unfunded
obligation
for
the
healthcare
for
retirees
and
the
operations
of
that
of
the
system.
Thank
you.
N
C
C
C
C
C
So
what
you
have
there
is
this
is,
if
you
can,
if
you
look
there
on
the
right,
the
retiree
life
and
health
5.160
million
dollars,
that's
the
big
piece
of
that
is
there
you'll
see
in
the
upper
left-hand
corner,
another
2.468
million
in
pension?
That's
that's
for
the
general
city
piece
and
remember.
Part
of
this
is
in
water
sewer
too,
and
some
of
this
is
spread
that
way
so
you're
not
getting
the
full
picture
here,
you're
getting
the
general
the
general
obligation.
C
C
C
C
C
C
Okay,
yes
in
the
46,
we've
spread
the
pension
to
those
two
departments,
what
is
applicable
to
them.
So
when
you
look
at
when
you
look
at
that
15
million
and
that
eleven
and
a
half
million
that
includes
that
the
five
we're
estimating
close
to
six
million
dollars
in
an
employer
pension
contribution
for
for
23.-
and
that's
that's
built
in-
I
understand
your
question.
I.
C
C
I
C
Sure,
in
prior
fiscal
year,
expenses
exceeded
revenue;
okay.
So
when
you
look
at
general
fund
each
year
we
overspent
our
checkbook
okay
revenue's
coming
in
versus
expenses
going
out,
so
the
good
news
is,
we
had
a
balance
in
our
checkbook
okay,
so
we're
trying
to
recoup
that,
with
with
these
with
these
aqua
funds.
Okay,
thank
you
good
question.
F
A
H
E
A
C
C
C
C
A
A
None
of
us
are
specialists
in
budget,
although
we
are
responsible
for
making
sure
the
budgets
are
correct
and
right
and
going
in
the
right
direction.
None
of
us
are
experts
on
that.
With
that
being
the
case,
do
not
be
embarrassed
shy
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
to
ask
any
question,
because
I'd
rather
have
you
ask
the
question,
make
sure
you
get
things
clarified
in
your
heads
before
we
vote
on
something
then,
unfortunately,
just
let
it
go
and
think?
A
Oh,
my
god,
I
don't
look
bad
because
and
that's
why
he's
put
this
together
and
I've
also
asked
our
comptroller
to
when
he
goes
over.
Every
particular
budget
he's
gonna
point
out
the
major
change
from
the
year
years
prior
so
that
we're
focused
on
that
and
not
focused
on
something.
That's
been
approved
year
after
year
after
year
for
the
last
10
12
years.
There's
no
sense
in
obviously
having
a
major
discussion
on
that.
The
major
discussions
are
the
major
changes
right
and
everything
he's
been
doing,
and
I
thank
him
for
that.
A
C
C
What
that
is,
is
what
council
approved
last
year
in
budget
for
this
current
year,
we're
in
and
that
any
amendments
that
may
have
occurred
at
council
session.
Those
numbers
will
reflect
will
be
reflected
there.
The
2122
activity-
and
this
is
important-
the
2122
activity
is
activity
through
march
31st
for
goods
and
services
march
18th
for
payroll.
C
C
Yes,
gasoline,
you
name
it,
that's
it!
That's
it!
Okay!
Now
2122
projected
that's
that's
the
art
of
the
budget
here.
So
I
looked
at
every
line
item
in
the
budget,
every
fund,
every
line-
and
I
made
my
best
estimate
looking
at
where
we
are
today,
where
I
think
we're
going
to
end
up
at
talking
with
the
department
heads
especially
on
the
capital
side,
what
their,
what
they're
doing
and
what
they're
thinking
and
I
gave
you
my
best
number
for
the
line
for
the
for
the
expense
that's
showing
there.
C
Now,
as
we
progress
through,
you
may
see
a
number
in
activity
that
is
higher
than
what
is
being
projected
and
what
happens.
Is
you
get
a
timing?
There's
a
timing
issue
there
where
I
put
the
projection
together,
but
when
we
ran
the
reports,
expenses
may
be
up,
there
happens
sometimes
I'll
just
bring
it
to
my
attention.
If
I
don't
already
do
that,
but
in
the
end
you'll
find
that
the
2122
projected
activity
is
what
I
think
we're
going
to
end
up
at
at
6
30
of
22..
So.
D
D
C
D
C
Sir
we're
looking
at
that.
Yes,
I'm
picking
that
up
when
you
look
at
when
we
look
at
salaries,
I'm
looking
at
when
that
person
I
looked
at
when
that
person
is
actually
going
to
step
to
the
next
part
in
the
classification
and
and
I'm
picking
that
up.
That's
where
the
million
dollars
comes
into
play
that
we
alluded
to
in
the
end.
C
So
when
you
look
at
at
the
requested
and
recommended
that's
what's
before
you
for
the
upcoming
budget
and
that
the
recommended
budget
ties
into
the
proposed
resolution
that
all
those
numbers
will
add
in
and
tie
into
the
resolution,
okay,
so
any
questions
on
the
header
record
as
we
and
that
will
stay
uniform.
Regardless
of
what
page
we're
on
that
will
not
change
and
it'll.
Be
there
each
and
every
time.
F
O
F
C
Well,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
what
you're
going
to
have
here
is
you're
going
to
see
the
actual
expense
for
2021
you.
You
can
see
the
actual
expense
that
we're
projecting
for
for
2122
and
then
you're
going
to
see
the
recommended
budget
for
22.23
you're
going
to
see
that
and
that's
in
front
of
you
right
now
now
as
far
as
a
breakdown
by
body
by
fte,
we're
going
to
provide
to
you
what
the
breakdown
for
2223
is
who's
making
up
that
line
item.
C
F
F
A
We're
doing
okay,
I
just
want
to
be
comfortable
asking
a
question
I
understand
totally,
but
I
do
want
to
add
in
you
know
this
particular
budget.
We
were
delayed
of
putting
it
together,
I'm
talking
about
the
controller's
office
and
administration
by
one
week,
the
reason
they
were
delayed
by
one
we
keep
in
mind
within
I
think,
a
year
or
a
year
and
a
half
four
or
five
controllers
go
through
city
hall.
A
A
F
Not
under
grading
anybody,
well,
all
I'm
asking
is:
I
was
used
to
a
former
budget.
You
know
a
a
different
platform.
Now
we're
seeing
a
different
platform.
When
I,
when
I
received
it,
I
went
through
it.
It
was
difficult.
I
mean
I
read
it
and
I
wrote
down
my
notes
and
I
understand
I
just
have
questions
yeah,
that's
coming
off.
I
had
questions.
I'm
sure
you've
had
multiple
questions.
Absolutely.
E
C
Very
good,
thank
you
both.
Thank
you
good,
good,
very
good.
Okay,
can
we
beat
it
all
right?
So
what
you
have
in
front
of
you
this
evening
and
you're
going
to
hear
this
now
as
we
progress
you
have
the
mayor's
budget,
we're
looking
to
spend
we're
recommending
a
438
501
operating
budget
for
the
mayor
department,
the
mayor's
department
in
this
department.
You
have
the
mayor,
the
chief
of
staff
and
the
mayor's
secretary
50
of
her
time,
we've
added
in
this
budget.
C
The
big
changes
here
is:
we've
moved
into
this
budget,
the
applicable
longevity,
the
applicable
health
care,
the
applicable
life
insurance
and
the
applicable
employer,
social
security
and
pension
contributions
that
were
in
a
different
spot
in
the
budget
in
years
past.
So
this
budget
is
up
from
from
from
400,
well
we're
at
493
000
from
last
year
amended,
but
we're
looking
at
438
000
for
this
year
to
give
you
a
feel.
A
C
So
they
were
in
the
200
general
government
department,
okay,
okay,
and
we
will
see
that
tonight
we
will
get
there
and
I'll
show
you
the
open
spaces
in
the
department
where
you're
going
to
see
a
blank
and
you're
going
to
go.
What
happened
there?
Well,
we've
spread
those
numbers
you
just
we
just
picked
the
mayor
to
go
first
and
we
could
have
started
at
the
200
department.
A
G
C
J
G
C
C
They
are
entitled
to
receive
vacation
time
and
sick
time
payout
for
what
has
been
accrued
but
hasn't
been
used,
and
it's
dictated
by
contract,
okay
or
by
personnel
handbook,
and
what
happens
here
is
when
we
pay
that
out.
We
pay
it
over
a
three
year
or
four
year
or
five
year
period,
depending
on
what
the
contract
calls
for.
C
So
this,
what
you're,
seeing
there
in
2021
somebody
retired
out
of
the
mayor's
office,
and
that
was
their
last
payment
of
yes,
sir,
and
then
sometimes
it's
only
one
installment
and
that
could
have
been
the
the
the
payoff
for
for
second
vacation
accrual.
All
right,
thank
you
sure,
yeah
mayor,
you
want
to
sit
here.
You
want
to
get
on
the
hot
seat.
C
A
Can
you
just
clarify
just
a
little
bit
the
difference
between
requested
budget
and
recommended
budget
because
they
seem
to
be
now
they
seem
to
be?
They
are
the
same
numbers
on
a
regular
basis.
I
know
you
mentioned
that
the
recommended
budget
is
what's
in
the
resolution,
but
they
are
the
exact
numbers
across
the
board.
Correct.
C
So
when
the
departments
come
in,
they
come
in
with
what
they
think
they
want,
and
sometimes
they
shoot
for
pie
in
the
sky
and
sometimes
they
they're
very
conservative,
but
we
take
their
their
raw
request
and
we
put
it
into
the
requested
column.
Okay
and
then
what
happens?
Is
we
meet
with
the
departments?
We
look
at
our
revenue
restrictions.
C
We
look
at
our
where
we're
going
in
the
near
future,
where
the
city
is
going
and
then
we
work
with
the
departments
to
get
the
dollar
values
where
they,
where
you
see
them
where
they
equal.
We
talk
talk
through
the
numbers.
We
talk
through
the
the
requests
and
we
make
adjustments
one
way
or
the
other
so
that
we
can
make
a
good
recommendation
to
counsel
so
we're
coming
to
you
in
lockstep.
C
C
K
Q
G
C
Okay,
so
I
will
tell
you
what
I
will
say:
okay,
so
if
you
want
to
add
money,
okay,
I'm
gonna
say:
where
do
you
want
to
make
the
cut
okay?
You
saw
the
slide.
You
saw
the
you
know
where
we're
going,
how
you
have
structural
expenditures
over
revenues?
Okay,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
you
each
and
every
time
if
you
want
to
add
money,
I
want
to
know
where
you're
going
to
cut
okay,
I
need
it's
got
to
balance.
C
G
C
I'm
saying
is
this:
is
you
want
to
think
more
of
it
of
a
program?
Okay,
so
let's
say
you
wanted
to
add:
you
wanted
to
buy
automobiles
for
for
for
everyone
in
the
mayor's
office,
okay,
okay
and
you
were
looking
at
175
000.
I
would
ask
you
okay,
where
and
else
in
the
general
fund
budget.
Would
you
like
to
cut
in
order
to
allow
that
expenditure
to
happen?
And,
of
course
you
have
to
have
buy-in
from
four
out
of
the
seven
council
members
also,
so
that
that's
from
a
program
stand
point
of
view.
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
I
will
in
a
second
here
I'll,
be
right
there,
yes,
sir,
and
then
we're
looking
at
travel
and
education
of
of
3
dollars,
500
piece
for
each
council
person
in
the
fringe
benefit
in
the
projected
column.
As
the
chair
has
has
pointed
out,
there
is
a
typo
six
hundred
and
fourteen
thousand
one
hundred
dollars.
D
D
B
C
B
C
C
Okay
and
here's
where
the
legal
fees
reside,
with
the
exception
of
labor.
This
is
where
we
put
all
the
legal
fees.
You'll
see
corp
council,
that
is,
that
works
for
the
for
the
council.
Here,
you'll
see
the
the
mmrma
legal
people
here
and
then
we've
also
set
up
another
another
line
item
for
basically
general.
C
C
A
K
A
C
Basically,
what
I'm
looking
at
here
on
the
339
projected
activity.
It
really
comes
down
to
the
seacrest
mortal
o'reilly
rancilio
firm.
Those
expenses
were
they're,
very
variable,
they're
they're,
a
variable
expense.
They
just
happened
to
charge.
You
had
issues
that
they
build
on
and
their
rates
applied.
C
J
C
C
R
A
So
I
just
verified
something
for
those
in
the
audience.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
budgets
were
available
for
those
who
either
did
not
have
access
to
online
or
maybe
didn't
have
it
with
them.
So
for
those
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
look
at
the
budget,
we
have
a
booklet
right
at
the
podium
vince.
I
know
earlier
you
wanted
your
facial
expressions
right
at
the
podiums.
The
actual
budget
you're
welcome
to
look
at
it
or
pass
it
down.
If
you
wanted.
E
E
C
C
C
C
C
Is
correct,
it
used
to
be
all
one
sub.
Yes,
sir,
absolutely,
and
with
that
we
with
that
we
we've
increased
the
department
expenses
for
those
for
those
services.
We
also
have
reflected
in
the
contractual
services
line
of
him
for
the
treasure.
What
she's
actually
spending
in
that
in
that
in
that
recommended
budget
for
contractual
services,
we're
looking
at
thirty
thousand
dollars.
I
D
R
Yes,
councilman,
it
is
for
everyone.
However,
I
want
oh
do.
I
need
a
mic.
Oh
I'm
sorry,
I'm
kind
of
loud.
The
answer
is
yes
to
that
question.
However,
what
I
do
want
to
note
that
you
have
the
deputy
and
myself
that
are
participants
in
the
michigan
certified
public
treasurer's
association
program.
So
therefore
we
will
consume
a
lot
of
that
budget,
because
that
is
a
program
that
mandates.
We
attend
certain
programs
and
trainings,
so
it
does
consume
a
lot
of
it,
but
I
always
try
to
have
training
available
for
all
members
of
the
treasury.
C
R
R
R
We
want
to
save
money
in
our
department
and
one
of
the
things
we're
going
to
do
is
eliminate
the
tax
inserts
that
are
mailed
out
to
taxpayers,
and
it's
going
to
be
on
the
back
of
the
tax
bill,
all
that
information
and
that's
going
to
save
us
quite
a
bit
of
money,
so
we're
looking
to
save
money
and
be
more
efficient,
but
also
we're
looking
at
possibly
in-house
our
winter
tax
bills.
Again
to
save
some
additional
funds
for
the
city.
C
C
C
C
A
F
J
F
C
A
C
F
F
C
C
C
A
A
C
Big,
the
big
increase
is
moving
the
the
the
controller
that
salary
pumping
up
from
a
hunt
from
about
approximately
80
thousand
dollars
to
115..
Okay,
that's
there
also,
we
included
the
longevity
piece.
You'll
see
that
in
the
footnote
there
underneath
the
salary-
okay,
also,
what
you
have
in
there
is-
you
have
remember:
you
have
four
staffers
in
there,
okay
and
there,
if
somebody
is
stepping
from
one
from
step
two
to
step
three
to
step
four,
because
they're,
not
at
their
max
salary
scale,
we're
picking
that
up.
Also
in
the
number.
C
G
C
C
If
you'll
recall-
and
I
was
hired
on
a
part-time
basis
out
of
the
finance
department-
and
I
put
together
the
final
work
papers
and
got
the
audit
or
got
the
books
in
shape
with
the
help
of
plant
marine
gap
and
in
order
to
allow
for
for
the
audit
to
go
forward,
and
so
that
was
me
okay.
Hopefully
you
never
see
that.
That's
why
you
don't
see
another
another
expense
there.
C
C
C
I'm
going
to
go
through
this
with
you
and
then
basically
we
will,
when
other
department
heads
come
in,
we
will
retreat
back
to
this
department,
but
I
do
want
to
cover
it
as
a
as
an
overall
overall
presentation.
So
in
the
200
department
we
have
moved
out
a
lot
of
the
expenses,
as
I've
alluded
to
earlier:
healthcare,
life
insurance,
pension
contributions
and
we're
asking
in
this
department
to
spend
to
appropriate,
appropriate
15
million
373
thousand
dollars
and
inside
of
this
so
you'll
notice
at
the
top
on
line
71500
at
the
top.
C
There
you'll
see
nothing
for
social
security
or
for
hospital
insurance.
Again,
we've
moved
that
to
the
departments,
the
insurance
buyouts.
What
that
is,
is
that's
the
pay
in
lieu
of
health
care.
The
city
offers
a
program
where
you
don't
take
the
you:
don't
take
the
health
insurance
you
you
buy,
you
buy
out
and
and
you're
paid
a
stipend
and
we're
looking
to
spend
approximately
102
thousand
dollars
there.
C
That
well,
it
passes
through
to
it
detect
the
actual
technical
you're
technically
right,
but
from
an
accounting
standpoint
of
view
it
passes
through
and
that
keeps
the
blue
car
blue
cross
cards
on
okay,
the
next
the
next
line
item:
you'll
notice,
you
got
a
two
small
line
line
items
there,
but
longevity
and
public
act
345
pension.
So
again
those
those
costs
have
been
spread
to
the
departments
and
then
you
have
345
insurance.
C
Now
the
gentleman
that
was
at
the
podium
earlier
alluded
to
this
we're
looking
at
3.7
million
for
for
public
for
public
act,
345
health,
healthcare
again.
That
number
comes
from
the
plant
moran
and
that's
the
number
we're
going
to
levy
on
3.764
million
and
that
keeps
again
passes
through
the
trust
and
keeps
the
blue
cross
cards
on
for
those
employees
that
are
eligible
for
a
blue
cross
card.
Those
retirees
that
are
eligible
for
a
blue
cross
card.
D
C
Is
correct
that
is
correct.
Okay!
Moving
along
to
two
two,
seven,
two,
two
point:
zero:
zero.
Two,
you
have
a
oh.
Where
am
I
here,
345
expenditures?
This
is
the
ask
from
the
public
safety
pension
system
for
operating
expenses
for
the
upcoming
fiscal
year.
Six
hundred
sixty
three
thousand
two
hundred
dollars.
C
Well,
the
the
public
safety
pension
people,
those
are
your
investment
brokers.
Those
are
your
those
are.
Those
are
all
the
vendors
that
they
use
on
their
side.
We
did
not
have
a
conversation
with
them
directly
about
exactly
who
they
passed.
A
resolution
saying
this
is
what
they
needed
and
they
itemized
that.
C
E
C
C
C
A
A
E
A
J
L
C
C
If
you'll
recall
last
council
meeting,
you
approved
the
new
study
and
that
will
be
happening
in
the
next
60
to
90
days
and
you'll,
see
different
numbers
here
next
budget
year
or
we'll
come
back
and
amend
the
budget
depending
on
what
that
number
actually
ends
up
being
any
questions
on
those
two
line
items:
okay,
as
we
work
through,
we
have
a
workers,
comp
liability
that
we
may
or
may
not
use,
but
we
need
to
appropriate
it
for
and
then
you'll
see.
The
next
big
numbers
here
is
sanitation.
C
We
touched
on
this
a
little
bit
in
the
slide
presentation,
3.450
million
for
pickup
and
for
disposal,
and
then
the
professional
contracts
you'll
see
the
independent
auditor.
The
new
auditor
will
be
lnc
young.
The
reason
for
that
is
because
we
have
plant
marine
gap
working
on
the
books.
We
cannot
have
plant
marine
audit
audit
plant
marine
gap,
that's
a
big
no-no
in
the
industry,
so
we
had
to
go
out.
We
had
to
get
new
auditors,
which
was
approved
by
council
at
the
last
in
the
march
meeting
the
last
march
meeting.
C
C
Okay.
Moving
along
to
the
next
page
page
thirty-four
you'll
see
the
in
the
blue
there
that's
the
footnote.
You
can
see
the
various
the
various
numbers
you'll
note
on
the
ny
heart
line.
Item
you'll
see
five
thousand
for
nine
heart.
That
needs
to
be
changed
to
ten
thousand
two
hundred
dollars.
How
much
ten
thousand
two
hundred
dollars
that
was
approved
monday
night
at
city
council.
C
C
E
C
C
C
The
other
issue
is
you
have
a
hanukkah
maintenance,
I'm
sorry,
the
other
issue,
that's
very
similar,
is
the
plant
marine
audit
so
that
that
number
is
in
conjunction
with
the
work
that
I
did
so
what
happened
was
this
plan
had
to
restart
the
audit
once
I
finished
and
you're
picking
up
those
expenses
there
moving
along
to
smart
bus
expenses?
So
when
you
run
the
smart
bus
transportation
program
here,
those
expenses
show
up
in
this
department,
then
you
have
publications
in
in
in
newsletters
and
then
you
have
your
insurance.
That's
your
general
liability.
C
C
C
A
C
C
F
C
K
C
C
I
hope
that
covered
the
ground
for
you
and
you
can
see
now
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here
there's
a
lot
of
big
numbers
here.
We
want
to
allocate
them
to
the
departments
and
I
think
we're
we're
accomplishing
that.
Okay,
we're
going
to
go
to
page
50
of
your
book.
This
is
human
resources.
Margaret
you
want
to
come
up.
C
A
O
A
O
O
Correct
it's
it's!
It's
a
expense,
that's
being
moved
from
another
place
in
the
budget
where
it
was
more
difficult
to
assign
the
activities
account
for
the
expenses
that
we
were
incurring
there.
So
we're
hoping
by
putting
it
here
a
little
more
close
monitoring.
You
know
we
can
be
managing
that
expense
for
us
going
forward.
Okay,.
B
E
B
C
That's
that's
exactly
now.
The
other
issue
is
this
is
if
we're
showing
a
water
expense
in
the
general
fund,
we
will
get
reimbursed
from
the
water
fund
as
a
reimbursement
to
cover
that
cost.
So,
and
yes,
this
is
what
I've
seen
in
others.
In
other
municipalities,
it
really
comes
down
to
managing
the
attorney
okay,
managing
those
bills
and
making
sure
we're
getting
our
best
bang
for
the
buck
and
making
sure
that
they're
working
on
what
we
need
them
to
work
on.
C
C
C
F
C
A
O
But
that
testing
is
not
just
testing.
It's
also.
The
opportunity
to
on
occasion
for
certain
positions
spend
a
little
bit
more
in
terms
of
how
we
post
something
on
indeed
or
where
we
are
with
respect
to
linkedin.
You
know
the
the
free
opportunities
we
always
use
those,
but
as
we
struggle
to
have
a
good
candidate
pool,
then
we
want
the
opportunity,
the
resources
to
be
able
to
do
that
on
a
position
by
position
basis
in
order
to
be
able
to
generate
the
applicants
that
we
need
to
make
the
hires
we
need
to
make.
C
F
O
So
so
what
had
been
happening
in
the
past
is
that
our
police
department
had
been
conducting
those
background
checks
for
us
we're
paying
some
of
our
police
officers
over
time
in
order
for
them
to
do
that
with
a
difficult
cost
to
try
to
track.
So
we
have
looked
at
other
resources
to
go
forward
again.
That
is
an
estimated
number.
Looking
at
how
many
vacancies
we
have,
how
many
background
checks
do
we
do
what's
our
turnover
looking
like
how
frequently
would
we
need
to
be
able
to
do
that?
O
We
are
not
always
successful
in
retaining
the
candidates
that
we
do
recruit
and
hire,
and
so
you
know
we
haven't
begun
to
really
track
what
our
turnover
costs
are
with
respect
to
that.
But
we
are
looking
to
use
a
testing
a
third-party
testing
resource.
We
have
a
couple
of
different
vendors
that
we
found
that
we
feel
are
viable.
We
had
only
been
using
our
police
department
having
our
police
officers
do
that
again.
It
contributed
to
overtime
and
the
length
of
time
for
that
to
occur
was
it
was
a
challenge.
O
F
F
O
So
the
practice
in
the
police
department
had
been
across
the
board.
The
practice
in
the
police
department
had
been.
When
you
were
doing
a
background
check,
then
you
were
given
four
hours
of
overtime,
even
if
you
were
doing
that
within
your
scheduled
time.
We
count
overtime
and
comp
time
for
police
and
as
overtime.
C
A
Why
was
there
a
difference
of
from
the
projected
activity
of
388
to
the
requested
budget
of
429?
I
know
you
said
you
added.
The
french
benefits
life
insurance
hospital,
but
those
were
also
a
part
of
the
projected
activity
with
just
a
slight
increase
of
8
000
under
hospital
insurance
and
another
increase
on
overtime
of
about
3
000,
but
yeah.
There
was
quite
a
bit
of
a
difference.
There.
F
C
E
A
A
A
C
P
P
Left
the
union
when
I
was
appointed
I
or
when
anyone
retires.
I
left
that
bargaining
union
unit,
okay,
but
I
earned
time
when
I
was
there.
I
had
sick
time.
I
had
vacation
time
and
I
don't
know
what
else
anyway,
when
you
retire,
you
get
paid
out
over
three
years,
so
that's
part
of
it.
Okay
and
the
other
part
is
that
our
deputy
clerk
is
going
to
be
retired.
Thank
you
for
your
support.
P
Retiring,
so
that's
your
other
line
item,
but
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
too
that
she
doesn't
have
a
definite
date.
She
is
going
to
do
what's
best
for
us
as
a
city
and
ask
her.
I
know
I'm
not
either
I'm
not
either
so
anyway,
we
are
short-handed
in
in
when
we
get
to
the
elections.
Part
I'll
go
over
that
okay,
but
we
are
short-handed
in
the
back
room
so
because
kathy
is
so
kind-hearted,
she
has
agreed
to
stay
and
work
in
the
back
room
as
well
as
train.
P
E
P
E
G
K
D
P
P
It
and
now
I'm
going
to
update
you
on
it:
okay,
okay,
so
what
happened
is
kathy
and
I
they
have
a
unit
with
with
the
state
of
michigan.
That's
specifically
will
guide
you
through
this,
but
it's
a
massive
endeavor
and
it's
very
expensive.
Okay.
So
then
we
thought
we'd.
We
would
do
something
in
in-house
okay,
we
could
go
ahead
and
we
could
you
know,
do
all
the
backup
do
all
the
claims.
Do
the
agendas?
Do
the
minutes?
P
Do
the
minutes
from
1960,
even
because
we
have
them
there,
we
can
scan
them,
pdf
them
and
put
them
up,
but
we
ran
into
hardware
and
software
roadblocks.
We
don't
have
when
all
the
computers
were
replaced
in
the
city.
They
didn't
replace
our
part-time
computer,
so
we
didn't
have
anywhere
that
a
part-timer
could
do
it.
P
Then
adobe.
We
got
finally
got
adobe,
but
it
was
only
it
was.
We
couldn't
even
put
it
on
that
that
computer,
so
dana
and
george
have
been
going
because
we
have
to
make
sure
there's
no
confidential
information
on
there.
Either
they've
been
going
through
every
single
sheet
of
paper
of
backup
and
claims
to
make
sure,
because
it
always
wasn't
gone
over
as
fine
tooth
as
our
staff
does.
P
Okay,
george
is
working
since
2000
she's
working
in
2011
up
and
dana's
working,
and
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
the
stuff
she
does,
because
we
know
that
she
does
it
right,
but
anything
before
that.
Well,
anything
before
me,
how
about
that
so
anyway,
we're
there
as
soon
as
we
get
in,
and
I
feel
comfortable
that
there's
no
information
that
shouldn't
be
out
there,
then
we'll
start
posting.
P
C
B
Yes,
this
is
a
big
issue
everywhere,
so,
for
example,
the
wayne
county
probate
court,
everything
is
now
electronic
filing.
We
could
look
at
everything
online.
All
of
a
sudden,
the
public
court
said
we
don't
have
the
personnel
to
go
through
and
make
sure
are
no
social
security
numbers.
There
are
no
there's,
no
confidence
right.
B
C
What
ends
up
happening
here
is
you
appropriate
seventeen
thousand
dollars
that
that
sits
there
and
it
can
be
used
elsewhere?
That
provides
city
service,
whether
it's
recreation
or
police
and
fire,
or
it's
somewhere,
building
or
ordinance.
So
what
is
happening
is
you're
tying
up,
17
000
worth
of
appropriation.
This
has
been
appropriated
for
six
years.
D
A
C
C
A
A
C
D
C
A
Come
back
one
quick!
Second,
so
on
this
one
dana,
if
you
could
add
this
one
as
a
possibility
and
then
what
we
can
do
later,
yep
towards
the
end
of
all
these
budgets,
we're
gonna
go
back
and
I'm
gonna
look
at
what
dana's
got
and
between
me
and
the
council
members
we
decide
if
those
particular
issues
have
been
resolved
or
they
we
need
to
go
back
in
the
reserve
days.
Go
ahead.
Okay,.
C
C
Okay,
so
what
you
have
here
is
this:
so
you
have
the
clerk.
This
is
the
elections
department,
we're
budgeting
for
two
elections,
not
three.
Two.
You
have
part-time
staff
for
the
two
elections
you
have,
the
you
have
overtime
set
up.
You
have
the
fringe
benefits,
which
is
employer
social
security,
we've
set
up
materials
and
supplies
the
contractual
services
which
is
election
setup,
machine
testing,
cellular
motor
modem
services.
C
C
No,
it's
going
to
come
out
of
the
98,
the
other
7.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
saying
you
got
to
come
out
of
what
you
have,
which
is
out
of
the
98
000.
we're
not
going
to
increase
that
because,
basically,
what's,
if
she
doesn't
spend
it,
then
we've
sat
on
17
grand
that
could
have
been
allocated
elsewhere.
C
C
Not
necessarily
so
I'm
looking
at
it
going,
you
got
to
manage
your
department.
Do
you
really
need
all
that
part-time
help?
Okay,
I
based
upon
what
I've
seen
and
what
I
heard
through
the
budget
sessions.
Okay,
there
are
a
lot
of
groups
there's
a
lot
going
on.
I
think
the
clerk
has
pointed
that
out.
There's
a
lot
happening
here
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
asking
the
clerk
to
manage
her
part-time
staff,
including
the
program
for
ninety
eight
thousand
dollars.
C
P
A
A
Yes,
okay
you're
at
81
000
right,
so,
let's
presume
they
use
the
17
000
for
what
they
need
to
use
it
for
for
what
I've
considered,
because
I
voted
yes
on
it
as
I
would
call
so
I
consider
something
porn.
So
now
you
have
81
000..
So
if,
in
all
previous
years,
part-time
salaries
were
in
2021,
152
and
21,
22
projected
95
and
now
we're
going
to
81
to
me,
just
logically,
it
doesn't
seem
like
it'll,
be
able
to
happen.
Okay,.
A
C
C
C
K
P
D
J
C
A
A
C
C
P
Now's,
the
time
to
explain,
I
have
more
explanation.
Okay,
so
I
think
one
time
council
chair
when
you
were,
we
were
down
at
well
the
southwest
meeting
and
I
was
explaining
the
different
elections,
and
so
you
know
we
have
our
elections
go
every
four
years.
Okay,
you
have
your
presidential,
you
have
your
local,
you
have
your
gubernatorial
and
you
have
your
local
okay,
your
local
was
last
year
it's
going
to
be
much
less
expensive
than
your
presidential
and
your
shaking
cut
and
your
gubernatorial.
P
P
So
gubernatorial
is
going
to
be
pretty
much
the
same
as
presidential
the
two
elections
it's
going
to
be
just
as
busy
our
absentee
ballots.
That's
where
you
get
a
lot
more
part-time,
too,
is
your
absentee.
We've
grown
from
6
000
to
16
000.
As
far
as
the
number
of
ballots
that
we
have
sent
out
during
the
presidential,
so
I
requested
150.
P
They
came
back
with
98.,
I
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
do
an
election
with
98
thousand
dollars
in
a
gubernatorial.
Last
year
we
had
a
local,
our
back
room.
Did
the
re
one
of
the
reasons
why
that
it's
less
expensive
under
contracted
services
is
because
our
own
staff
did
the
test
act.
Everything
has
to
be
tested,
you
all
can
come
in
and
see
anything
you
want.
It's
so
detailed.
You
have
to
run
the
machine
you
have
to
have
all
the
machines
tested.
It's
none
of
this
money
is
just
being
thrown
out
the
window.
P
P
17
I
want
back
in
the
clerks
where
it
was
okay,
950
kathy
and
I
talked
about
it
in
we
thought
130
would
be
able
to
do
it.
We
we're
down
down.
You
know
we
don't
have
as
much
staff
kathy's
coming
back
like
I
said,
and
she's
going
to
be
working
substantially
less
than
and
she's
going
to
help
in
the
back.
In
addition
to
training
a
new
person,
that's.
C
P
A
Just
going
to
throw
it
out
there
right
now,
I'm
going
to
allow
everybody
to
finish
speaking,
but
this
is
probably
the
item
that
we
should
put
on
the
table
part
with
data
to
come
back,
maybe
during
the
reserve
sure
this
way,
if
you
don't
mind,
madam
clerk
between
you
and
your
department
and
chief
of
staff
and
rest
of
the
administration
come
up
with
something
workable
for
all
parties.
If
not,
then
on,
the
reserve
will
readdress
it
sure,
just
because
we
just
was
just
because
we
put
something
on
the
reserve,
doesn't
necessarily
mean
we're.
D
P
P
Had
you
used
the
same,
you
know
things
we
are
taking
over.
It's
an
increase
this
year
because,
five
years
ago
that
all
the
equipment
was
purchased
through
the
state
through
and
wayne
county
handled
the
maintenance
fees
on
the
equipment
for
five
years.
We
have
it
now
this
year
and
that
is
almost
19
000.
Okay,
the
other
big
addition.
P
A
A
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you
guys
have
a
fair
and
the
keyword
is
fair.
My
obviously
want
to
give
one.
You
need
absolutely
a
fair
amount
of
money
to
make
sure
that
the
taxpayers
and
the
residents
have
equal
opportunity
to
be
able
to
vote,
and
I
I
don't
want
and
not
that
that's
what
the
administration
is
doing.
I
know
that's
not
the
case,
but
I'm
just
throwing
it
out
there.
A
Q
F
I
D
D
C
D
C
C
Now
this
is
this:
is
the
classic
guys
and
councilwoman
sorry
about
that.
Look
we're
overspending
by
one
you're,
bringing
in
2.1
million
dollars
in
new
money
you're
getting
the
classic
discussion
right
now.
This
is
it:
where
does
it
stop?
Where
does
it
start
now?
We're
here
recommending
we
thought
we
had
an
agreement
with
the
clerk.
We
don't.
Obviously
we
will
work
with
the
clerk
to
see
where
we
can
end
up,
but
this
is
it.
This
is.
This
is
our
dilemma.
C
B
C
D
A
One
of
the
proposals
that
we
had
early
on
when
I
spoke
with
the
administration
and
we're
going
to
be
working
on
what
he
called
grants
manager
to
come
in-
and
I
spoke
with
the
mayor
multiple
times
about
this
and
he's
mentioned
that
there's
a
lot
of
grants
are
still
out
there.
We've
had
some
grand
theft
come
in
if
we
still
haven't
used
as
much
as
he
and
the
administration
would
like.
There's
a
lot
of
grants
out
there
that
we're
not
having
access
and
there's
some
sister
or
close
cities
nearby.
A
A
A
P
E
C
A
D
H
D
E
A
But
before
we
end
before
we
end
sure
well,
first
of
all
I
do
want
to
commend
you,
and
I
told
you
this.
When
I
sat
down
me
you
and
mariana
on
monday
yeah,
you
you've
got
some
serious
skill
set
in.
Oh
thank
you
and
we
hope
to
keep
that
skill
set
here,
not
only
in
the
way
you're
putting
things
together,
but
in
your
presentation
also
thank
you
very
good
skill
set
and
also
good
in
sales.
A
I
A
D
A
D
H
C
B
B
E
J
I'm
sorry
hi,
I
do
have
one
more
question
and
that's
to
clarify
with
mobe
doing
so.
I
looked
at
last
year's
budget.
We've
all
only
presented
the
current
salaries
and
the
upcoming
salaries.
We've
never
presented
the
past
ones.
If
you
want
to
see
the
past
ones,
you
can
look
at
last
year's
budget
is
that
okay,
okay.
A
A
I
E
I
L
L
A
M
Hello
again,
I
just
have
a
thank
you,
because
it
was
great.
I
love
the
screens.
It
makes
it
so
much
easier
for
everybody.
I
think
I
really
appreciate
that
and
I
would
love
kind
of
echoing
if
all
the
handouts
and
things
could
be
put
on
the
website
on
the
like
a
budget
page
or
something.
I
know
a
lot
of
people
would
really
appreciate
that
I
did
have
one
question
on
the
mayor's
office:
one.
There
was
a
line
item
that
said
com
active,
c-o-m-m
active.
K
M
M
M
Please
look
at
that
very
carefully
because,
like
the
presidential
election,
I'm
pretty
sure
we
were
there
until
three
in
the
morning
four
in
the
morning
it
was
ridiculous
and
even
if
those
of
us
who
are
just
there
for
election
day,
don't
get
paid
over
time,
if
other
employees
have
to
stay
we're
going
to
start
eating
into
overtime,
I
I
don't
know,
that's
just
that's
a
big
one
and
and
like
ray
said,
like
councilman,
must
get
said.
We
can't
say
no
to
elections,
that's
not
something
we
can
cut.
M
C
C
Okay,
are
you
all
there?
Yes
and
I'm
very
sorry
what
you
have
here
is
you
have
the
current
contract
for
the
for
the
assessor?
We
are
also
requesting
that
a
new
staff
field
appraiser
be
added
to
the
contract,
along
with
requested
training
in
the
assessor's
department.
Here,
as
you
know,
she's
a
contractual.
C
A
I'll
I'll
make
a
comment:
the
assessor's
office,
one
of
the-
was
one
of
the
most
volatile
departments
that
we
had
in
our
city
for
a
long
time-
and
I
remember
when
I
first
got
on
council
about
eight
years
ago-
I
mean
it
seems
like
we're
having
a
different
assessor
every
other
week
and
now
with
the
contractual
services
that
we
have
offered
to
tony
fuko
and
kimberly
commerce.
I
think
they've
done
an
absolutely
great
job
next.
So
thank
you
for
the
continued
good
work.
A
E
A
S
A
S
A
A
and
what
I'm
asking
is
from
that
particular
amount,
because
we
originally
hired
your
company
they've
done
a
great
job,
so
I'm
making
that
clear,
included
any
and
every
type
of
employee
you
may
need
expenses,
supplies,
etc,
etc,
and
what
I'm
asking
now
is
you're
asking
us
to
go
from
294
to
330,
with
thousand
being
towards
training,
which
is
I
recall,
the
beginning,
and
I
might
be
wrong
from
the
original
contract.
Training
was
also
a
part
of
your
total
contract.
Wasn't
that
correct-
and
I
you
might
know
better
than
me.
S
Right
so
the
laws
have
changed
in
the
past
two
years.
Our
staff
that
is
in
office
prior
was
never
required
to
hold
certifications
and
to
have
con
ed.
That
is
something
that
is
new
for
this
upcoming
year,
so
the
employees
that
we
have
provided
as
full-time
staff
in
the
offices
now
have
a
different
level
of
certification,
they're
required
to
hold
and
or
to
meet
an
educational
obligation
through
the
state
so
to
meet
those
new
requirements
that
are
state
law,
we
would
need
and
we're
looking
for
an
increase
to
be
able
to
afford
those
changes.
D
The
extra
appraiser,
the
new
position,
I
believe,
will
pay
for
herself
in
the
long
run
being
able
to
go
out
and
survey
more
property
per
year
and
I
believe,
there's
a
lot
of
tax
dollars
out
there
that
are
not
being
counted
a
lot
of
tax
dollars
and
I
think
we
all
have
seen
that
with
people
not
pulling
permits
adding
additions
on
their
homes,
converting
garages
into
heated
living
spaces,
that's
money
that
the
city's
losing
in
tax
dollars
here
we're
looking
for
seventeen
thousand
dollars.
We
probably
can
get
that
on
two
homes:
three
homes.
D
Okay,
so
I
believe
that
one
person
makes
a
big
difference:
big
difference.
Okay,
I
had
a
next-door
neighbor.
My
next
ranger
tells
me
I
got
to
be
the
only
crazy
guy
in
the
world
that
pulls
a
permit
to
nail
a
two-by-four
under
my
deck
okay.
But
that's
what
needs
to
be
done?
Everybody
needs
to
do
what
they're
supposed
to
do
and
shame
on
us.
If
we
don't
go
out
and
collect
this
money.
Okay,
just
like
when
we
have
runners
that
the
homes
aren't
being.