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Description
Hutch Paving and Amendment to Chapter 37 Small Cell Wireless Communications Facilities Deployment Act PA365 of 2018.
A
B
B
Council
are
the
city's
attorney
Gary
Miyake
and
Christie
Laszlo
for
getting
me
shepherding
through
my
FOIA
request
and
getting
me
documents
that
I
needed
I'm
here
tonight
to
talk
to
you
about
the
contract,
the
2019
contract
for
the
Lewes
Manor
subdivision,
paving
project,
as
you
know,
from
your
discussion
back
in
July
hutch
paving
was
low
bidder
on
the
contract
by
a
hundred
and
eighty
eight
thousand
four
hundred
dollars.
Now
you
are
the
City
Council.
B
You
have
every
right
to
pick
any
bid.
You
want
and
I.
Certainly
you
know
that's
what
the
bid
procedures
say.
That's
what
state
law
says
and
and
I
support
that
I.
Think
it's
important,
though,
that
if
you
make
that
decision,
you're
making
an
informed
decision
and
I've
after
watching
the
video
of
the
July
9th
meeting
I
felt
as
though
the
council
might
have
been
laboring
under
some
misconceptions
and
I
wanted
to
just
address
those
tonight
make
sure
you
had
all
the
information
before
you
went
ahead
and
acted
later
on
tonight.
B
There
were
about
three
hundred
thousand
square
feet
of
asphalt,
laid
down
by
hutch,
paving
in
that
project.
The
amount
that
they
had
to
redo,
which
they
did
earlier
this
year,
was
about
a
thousand
square
feet
so
about
three
tenths
of
one
percent
of
the
entire
project
had
to
have
some
work
done
on
it,
because
this
new
process
that
was
being
used
of
laying
fabric
in
between
the
layers
through
a
couple
of
spots
where
the
top
layer
was
too
thin
and
the
fabric
was
speaking
through.
B
B
All
of
the
other
complaints
with
the
project
dealt
with
driveways
that
were
flooding
the
approaches
to
the
driveways,
and
here
it's
important
to
understand
exactly
what
the
project
entailed
you
had
concrete
roads
and
hutch
was
putting
a
layer
wood,
putting
about
three
inches
of
asphalt
on
top
of
the
concrete
road,
so
they
would
come
out.
They
would
mill
the
off
the
existing
asphalt.
Wade
trim
the
engineers
who
were
out
there
every
single
day
would
mark
the
concrete
that
needed
to
be
repaired.
B
Hutch
would
repair
that
concrete
and
then
lay
the
asphalt
according
to
the
plans,
and
they
did
lay
it.
According
the
plans,
they
were
completely
paid.
All
the
penny
punch
lists
were
satisfied.
There
were
no
issues
at
all
with
hutches
performance
on
the
project,
but
with
the
when
you
raise
the
level
of
the
road
relative
to
the
driveway,
with
relative
to
the
driveway
approach.
Now,
you've
got
driveway
approaches
that
are
flooding
when
it
rains.
B
This
was
not
unanticipated
by
the
engineers,
because
this
was
allowed
for
in
the
contract
and
in
2018
hutch
went
back
out
and
fixed
every
driveway
approach
that
the
engineers
pointed
out.
We
remember
when
the
project
was
done.
It
was
done
between
September
and
November
of
2017,
so
the
following
spring,
when
the
flooding
was
noted,
the
engineers
called
went
back
out
showed
hutch
what
to
do
hutch
fixed
every
driveway
within
the
scope
of
the
original
contract.
B
B
So
that
was
the
primary
complaint
and
the
repairs
done
this
year
for
those
two
sections
of
thousand
square
feet.
I
want
to
point
out.
This
contract
carries
a
one-year
warranty,
so
hutch
did
the
work
in
the
fall
of
2017,
but
no
problem.
They
went
back
out
and
fixed
those
two
places
this
year,
because
that's
what
hutch
does
hutch
is
very
proud
of
its
reputation,
its
proud
of
the
work
it
does
and
the
fabric
that
caused
these
issues
is
not
being
used
anymore
in
the
2019
project.
B
There
was
some
talk
at
the
last
session
in
July
about
the
condition
of
house
Road
and
how
has
road
is
terrible,
hutch,
never
paid
to
a
stroke
that
was
not
part
of
that
project.
They'd
certainly
be
willing
to
pave
it.
If
you
want
to
give
them
a
contract
to
do
that,
but
that
hutch
is
not
responsible
for
the
condition
of
house.
Road
hutch
has
never
touched
s
Road.
B
So
now
they've
submitted
a
bid
for
2019.
That's
a
hundred
and
eighty
eight
thousand
four
hundred
dollars
less
than
the
bid
from
Cadillac
asphalt,
which
was
the
bid
you
approved
at
the
July
ninth
session.
There
are
no
differences
in
the
specifications
of
the
job
they're,
all
the
same
for
all
the
bidders
you're
not
getting
more
asphalt,
better
asphalt,
any
better
roads
by
spending
a
hundred
eighty
eight
thousand
dollars
more
on
Cadillac
asphalt,
you're.
In
my
opinion,
it's
a
waste
of
a
hundred
and
eighty
eight
thousand
dollars
based
upon
some
anecdotal
evidence.
B
It
turns
out
not
to
be
true,
or
at
least
not
to
be
within
the
scope.
Puches
contract
from
2017,
hutch,
paving
values,
its
relationship
with
the
city
and
all
of
the
cities
it
serves
is
proud
of
the
work
it
did
in
2017,
proud
of
its
relationship,
how
it
worked
with
all
the
city
departments
and
how
it
worked
with
Wade
trim.
They
have
a
long
history
of
working
with
Wade
trim
and
they
I
think
it
was
Dan.
B
B
Hutch
believes
it
provides
the
best
value
for
the
city
and,
while
it
may
be
too
late
for
this
project,
certainly
your
parliamentarian
will
tell
you
how
you
can
reverse
the
previous
votes
and
reinstate
hutch
as
the
as
the
winning
contractor
on
this
project,
and
it's
not
too
late
to
do
that
to
get
the
work
done
this
season.
But
even
if
you
don't
do
that,
it's
very
important
to
hutch
that
in
the
future
they
have
a
clean
slate
with
you
that
you
understand
they
did
a
good
job.
They
did
a
great
job
in
2017.
B
B
Hutch
simply
asked
for
fair
consideration
based
on
its
performance,
not
in
spite
of
it,
but
because
of
it
and
pledges
the
same
wonderful
performance
in
the
future.
So
I'm
I
have
Michael
chunko
here
from
hutch,
who
was
the
project
manager
who's
prepared
to
answer
any
of
the
technical
questions?
I
don't
understand,
but
other
than
that
I'd
be
happy
to
to
entertain
any
questions
you
might
have.
Okay,.
C
B
C
So
so
I
can
tell
you
for
myself
and
I
know:
councilmen
must
can't
have
never
seen
it
it's
time
to
and
I'm
not
an
expert
on
roads,
not
by
any
stretch
of
imagination
but
just
visually
looking
at
it
at
the
time,
because
I
had
some
residents
call
and
we're
complaining
and
I
said.
Let
me
go
by
and
look
at
it
and
I
won't
bite
to
look
at
it.
There
was
a
crack
for
multiple
blocks
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
right
down
the
middle.
All.
B
B
There
is
a
seam
and,
and
that's
I,
even
I-
can
handle
this
one.
Okay,
all
right,
so
you've
got
a
concrete
road
underneath,
okay,
with
a
seam
down
the
middle
mm-hmm,
the
excuse
me,
the
asphalt
is
laid
over
the
top
of
that
mm-hmm,
because
you
need
a
slight
crown.
You
can't
run
your
you
can't
run
a
press
or
anything
down
the
middle
of
the
road.
C
The
the
challenge
would
be
would
be
with
the
change
in
weather,
allowing
for
more
cracks,
not
act.
I
myself,
just
based
on
I'm
a
real
estate
agent,
my
that's
my
business,
so
I'm,
obviously
driving
around
streets
all
the
time
in
houses
and
what-have-you,
and
that
was
the
first
time
I
could
ever
recall
seeing
a
street
with
that
type
of
a
seam
crack
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
all.
The
way
down
the
middle
in
additionally,
I'ma
tell
you,
though,
I'd
seen
as
far
as
myself
visually
and
from
residents
complaints.
C
The
curb
you
know
as
the
asphalt
comes
to
the
end
of
the
street,
between
the
curb
the
full
curb
right
now
at
the
end
of
the
grass
at
the
under
the
easement
and
the
asphalt
there
was
I
mean.
Typically,
you
see
enough
of
a
divide
to
where
water
can
run
through.
Are
we
down
to
the
drain?
This
one
was
more
like
this
much
of
a
difference.
It
was
much
shorter
in
multiple
in
front
of
multiple
houses
on
that
Street,
where
there
was
not
much
of
a
curb
I
mean
it
was
like
it
was
almost
flush.
D
The
concrete
and
obviously,
if
you
put
a
concrete
back,
it's
gonna
be
a
ten
million
dollar
jobs
right.
You
do
basketball,
because
it's
less
expensive
and
you
can
do
it
three
times
as
much
okay.
So
the
problem
with
concrete
flows
at
one
percent,
okay,
I,
think
I,
didn't
seem
it
you
in
central,
a
three-person
before
no.
D
How
you
can
flow
at
one
percent?
Great
asphalt,
cannot
carry
like
this.
Well,
you
put
concrete
in
and
you
form
it
and
place
it
it's
hard
and
it
stays
there
as
well.
It's
kind
of
a
more
softer
product
and
it
moves.
So
when
you
roll
it,
you
might
get
in
a
little
bit
of
it
down,
because
there's
a
deviation
and
the
concrete
below
or
something
to
lose.
That's
you
might
pay
my
fingle
sake
or
something.
So
what
happens
if
you
need
a
higher
percentage
of
fault,
make
that
water
line?
So
what
happens?
D
We've
come
up
on
the
curb
as
needed,
and
you
know
that's
why
we
trim.
You
know,
that's
why
they
allow
that
you
know
you
got
to
kind
of
put
a
little
bit
of
high
points
in
each
so
that
water
runs
down.
It
doesn't
run
a
set.
The
same
rate
as
concrete
would
normally
allow,
and
that's
why
you
have
curtain
gutters.
You
usually.
D
C
My
challenge
is
for
the
just
the
average
resident
and
I
can't
speak
on
your
expertise.
Obviously
that's
not
my
field,
but
just
from
a
pure
residents
perspective
they're,
seeing
the
water
instead
of
going
to
a
drain
or
we're
flowing
onto
their
easement
and
water
just
sitting
there.
That's
that's
a
part
of
the
challenges
that
a
lot
of
residents
head
and
then
we
had
complained
about
it.
At
City,
Council
meetings
and
in
weight
trim
was
here
and
we
kept
hearing.
They're
gonna
fix
it.
C
They're
gonna
fix
it,
they're
gonna
fix
it,
they're
gonna
fix
it,
and-
and
you
know
we
took
it-
you
know
word
that
it
is
gonna
be
fixed,
but
up
until
I
think
it
was
a
off
top
ahead.
I
think
was
about
two
or
three
meetings
ago.
I
can't
remember
off
the
top
of
my
head,
where
I
hadn't
been
fixed
yeah
and
that's
where
we
started
no.
D
D
C
C
E
I
grew
up
on
fair
wood.
Okay
I
was
there
in
the
in
the
60s,
okay
and
I
happen
to
know
just
about
everybody
on
fair
wood,
all
the
way
from
Ford
Road
to
where
it
at
around
the
corner
to
cam
one.
Okay
and
people
have
complained
to
me
since
that
was
paved
with
their
driveways
flooding
at
the
end
of
their
driveways.
Even
after
everything
was
poured.
My
my
mother
still
lives
there.
She
had
a
driveway
port
and
it
still
floods
there
when
it
rains
heavily.
E
This
is
the
first
time
today
we
heard
anything
about
a
fabric
right,
I've,
never
heard
anything
about
a
fabric,
okay,
I'm
thinking
that
this
was
done.
The
conventional
way
of
when
you
laid
a
first
section
down
and
you
come
put
some
sort
of
adhesive
between
the
two
and
then
you
roll
it
again
with
a
second
coat.
This,
the
first
I
heard
of
a
fabric
we've
done.
D
E
D
D
In
the
problem,
the
fabric
is,
if
I
build
again,
you
can't
get
back
to
the
planet.
Now
it's
it
makes
a
mixie
at
all,
but
you
can't
reuse
it.
Yes,
it's
it's.
We
hate
using.
It
be
honest,
forgive
me,
but
it's
put
down
to
help
to
stop.
Tell
the
sun
or
cracking
refunds
and
cracking
all
these
issues
that
you're
talking
about
cracking.
That's
why
the
fact
that
wasn't
solved?
That's
why
they
they
didn't
even
do
it
this
year.
D
D
D
Attack
quote
in
the
middle,
and
it
would
be
you
know
you
would
have
these
problems
but
again
you're
getting
two
you're
getting
a
new
road,
but
we
don't
one
third
of
the
price
or
one
fourth
of
the
price.
So
this
is
kind
of
what
the
trade-off
is.
You're,
not
going
to
break
the
concrete
bro
we're
not
working
with
a
brand
new
base
underneath
another
driveways.
D
E
And
leave
me
being
it
being
in
a
maintenance,
trades
I
had
you
know,
I
had
customers,
that's
like
you
have
a
customer.
If
you
don't
know
this
is
broke,
you
can't
fix
it
right
and
I
agree
with
you.
100%
on
that
and
I
appreciate
that
very
much.
But
did
you
guys
replace
any
of
the
curbs?
Was
that
done
by
you.
D
E
E
D
D
B
D
So
when
you're,
when
you're
rolling
it
you're
coming
down
to
that
catch
basin,
you
want
to
make
sure
it
gets
to
that
catch
basin.
So
we
don't
leave
it
your
mom's
driveway.
You
know
we're
trying
to
vast.
You
know,
but
it's
hard
this.
You
know
what
these
parents
like
this
another
ones
like
this.
You
know
you're
trying
to
do
your
pass,
but
it's
not
a
perfect
situation,
but.
H
Behind
schedule
you
normally
you'd
raise
the
catch
basins
are,
though,
the
job
done
properly
you'd
raise
them
up
to
the
grade
of
the
asphalt,
so
you
couldn't
have
to
get
down
so
far
and
thin.
Your
asphalt
out,
I've
seen
that
done,
doesn't
sign,
but
knowing
that
you
know
like
the
the
substrate,
which
is
the
kind
old
concrete
wrote
at
a
expansion
joint
down
the
middle
you're,
not
gonna,
keep
that
from
cracking
no
matter
how
much
mess
you
put
on
top
of
it,
I
drove
by
there.
H
D
H
You
you
said
that
you
know
that
that
control
joint
in
the
middle
moves
and
it's
gonna
crack
anyway.
So
that's
an
issue
that
this
is
familiar
with
you
and
that's
something
I
should
have
brought
up
then
brought
up
that
you
could
take
care
of
that
situation.
Can
I
buy
it
after
I
heard
the
crack
I
said?
Well,
look
there's
our
normal.
C
Mandela
so
quick
statement,
I
am
I'm
gonna
make
it
public
I'm
very
disappointed
with
who
it
provided
you
telling
us
what
we
provide.
What
you're
telling
us
is
correct.
I'm,
really
disappointed
whether
it's
administration,
whether
it's
weight,
trim
I,
know
who
did
it,
but
I'm
really
disappointed
that
you
guys
don't
know
about
this.
Based
on
you
told
me,
you
don't
know
about
this
because
I
know
all
of
us,
as
council
members
have
complain
about
this
probably
last
year.
So
I'm
really
really
this
point
with
whoever
dropped
the
ball.
C
Whoever
did
that
you
know
they
got
to
deal
with
this.
This
is
not
okay,
but
the
second
main
coronary
I
want
to
ask
you.
Is
you
mentioned?
The
main
problem
was
the
fabric
that
was
used
right.
It's
not
an
easy
thing
to
work
with
New
York,
okay.
So
how
are
we
gonna
be
as
a
nine
as
a
council
there's
the
city
compensated,
because
you
know
the
fabric
I
didn't
pick
the
fabric.
I
didn't
do
anything
with
us.
You
guys
picked
the
fabric.
Look
it
was
there
a
part
of
the
requirements
and
especially.
D
C
D
D
A
I
Evening
Council
mark
roberts
from
secret
swirl,
I'm
here
with
mike
slinging
from
our
office.
Mr.
Sahay
knees
a
kind
of
our
specialist
in
this
area.
This
is
something
that
has
come
up
fairly
recently
and
the
city
does
not
currently
have
a
small
salt
ordinance
I'm
here,
basically
for
advice
on
the
process
for
adoption.
I
think
I'll
turn
it
over
to
mr.
salt
Haney
to
explain
what
this
ordinance
is
all
about.
J
Good
evening
everybody
I'm
Michael
Sal
Haney
partner
at
secrets
world
with
Mark.
Last
year,
the
state
of
Michigan
adopted
a
new
state
law.
It
went
into
effect
in
March
that
drastically
affected
the
city's
ability
to
regulate
its
own
rights
of
way,
and
that
has
to
do
with
a
small
cell
technology.
What
this
technology
is
for.
J
Those
of
us
that
are
just
want
our
cell
phone
to
work
is
there
are
dte
poles
that
line
your
streets
instead
of
having
a
big
cell
tower
telecommunication
companies
are
rolling
out
5g
technology
and
the
way
that
that
technology
moves
along
is
on
the
top
of
these
DTE
poles,
and
it
goes
from
one
small
little
antenna
to
the
next
to
the
next
to
the
next.
The
state
of
michigan
has
mandated
that
local
municipalities
cannot
regulate
this
rollout
of
this
technology.
J
In
fact,
the
state
of
Michigan
from
my
experience
in
front
of
the
MPSC
on
telecommunication
matters
is,
they
are
telling
us
their
job
is
to
roll
this
technology
out.
So
what
does
that
mean
to
you?
That
means,
when
you
have
a
telecommunication
provider
that
wants
to
come
and
go
in
your
rights-of-way,
you
utilize
the
metro
act
and
you
get
you
make
them
get
a
permit
and
they
pay
you
fees.
J
It's
a
similar
process
here
under
the
small
cell
act,
the
provider
has
to
file
a
permit,
tell
you
which
poles
they're
going
on
the
distance
that
they're
going
to
be
from
each
other,
and
you
have
the
opportunity
to
look
at
the
permit.
If
you
don't
approve
it
within
45
days,
it
is
deemed
approved
and
there
is
a
fee
schedule,
there's
a
fee
set
by
the
state
of
Michigan
for
the
application
and
for
each
pole.
Now
you
also
don't
have
the
ability
under
the
state
law
in
your
business
disk.
J
J
You
know,
and-
and
these
permits
are
coming,
they
are
backed
by
the
providers
with
a
lot
of
money.
Specifically,
Verizon
and
AT&T,
and
if
you
are
challenged,
I
can
tell
you
the
temperature
of
the
state
of
Michigan
is
they
will
rule
against
you?
What
the
statute
that
they
passed
late
last
year
and
became
effective
in
March
is
probably
one
of
the
most
complicated
statutes.
I
have
looked
at
in
three
years
of
law
school
in
thirty
years
of
legal
practice,
it's
all
over
the
place,
so
what
I've
done
is
and
and
mark
and
and
your
staff.
J
We
have
prepared
an
ordinance
that
complies
with
everything
with
the
state
law
and
in
fact,
I
made.
It
actually
make
sense.
It
is
a
guide
that
will
help
you
from
the
minute
the
application
comes
in,
and
you
need
this
ordinance
so
that
your
staff
will
know
what
to
do
the
timeframes
that
they
need
to
do
it.
How
much
you
can
charge
per
poll?
J
How
much
you
can
charge
per
application
if
the
application
is
not
complete
what
your
rights
are,
and
that
is
you
can
communicate
with
the
provider
within
so
many
days
of
receiving
the
application
and
tell
them.
This
is
not
complete.
Here's
what's
missing,
here's
what
we
need
and
it
stops
that
shot
clock
for
whether
it's
deemed
complete
or
not,
and
if
you
don't
approve
it
in
an
unreasonable
nature.
You'll
find
yourself
in
front
of
Lansing
in
front
of
MPSC
explaining
why
you
did
not
approve
either
in
time
or
at
all,
an
application.
J
So
this
ordinance
takes
the
state
law.
It
makes
it
make
sense
as
best
that
it
can
and
I
think
it
does
a
fairly
good
job.
We've
also
created
for
you
an
application.
So
not
only
does
the
ordinance
comply
100%
with
the
statute,
we
took
the
language
right
out
of
the
state,
shoot
and
put
it
in
order,
but
we
created
an
application
and
it
details
everything.
J
That's
in
the
statute
that
you're
allowed
to
ask
for
in
an
application
and
I
also
have
put
in
there
the
fee
schedule
that
you're
allowed
to
charge
a
provider
when
they
file
the
application
and
when
they
identify
the
poles,
and
so
that
way,
staff
knows
exactly
what
they
can
charge
the
provider.
Then
much
like
the
Metro
Act.
J
Once
it's
been
reviewed
by
all
of
your
departments
that
need
to
review
it,
you
can
issue
them
what
you
might
remember
as
being
the
old
franchise
agreement
like
the
old
cable
franchise
agreements
or
the
old
rights-of-way
franchise
agreements
before
the
Metro
act,
and
that
lays
out
all
of
your
rights
I
also
created
another
we've
called
it
an
addendum.
The
city
may
own
certain
telephone
poles
along
the
streets,
that's
a
different
type
of
agreement
than
if
it's
a
DTE
Poll,
you
don't
own.
J
The
DTE
poles
DTE
does
so
we
have
one
agreement
for
all
of
the
the
nodes
that
they're
going
to
put
on
DTE
poles
and
they
will
have
to
identify
what
is
on
your
property
and
that's
a
separate
agreement
and
different
terms.
I
have
included
the
language
for
insurance,
I've
included
whole
hold
harmless
language
indemnification
language
so
that
we
protect
the
city.
J
We've
also
clarified
and
explained
the
remedies
if
they
don't
roll
out
their
system
within
X
number
of
days
it's
deemed
abandoned
and
and
if
they
have
stuff
up
on
the
poles,
they
have
to
pull
it
out
and
if
they
don't,
you
can
revert
it
to
your
system
and
make
it
your
small
cell
and
and
convert
it
to
city
property.
And
so
what
we've
tried
to
do
is
make
sure
that
the
city
complies
with
the
law.
I
believe
tonight
is
an
introduction
of
the
ordinance
alone.
J
I
think
you
can
consider
the
the
application,
the
fee
structure
and
the
the
two
franchise
agreements
at
a
later
date
and
I'm
not
sure
if
this
needs
to
go
to
planning
so
I
guess
the
recommendation
would
be.
Of
course,
if
you
have
any
questions,
I
stand
ready,
but
I
guess
the
recommendation
would
be
to
have
this
body
recommend
the
language
of
the
ordinance
to
Planning
Commission,
put
it
on
their
next
available
meeting
agenda
for
their
review,
consideration
and
recommendation
back
to
you.
If
you
have
any
question
my.
A
H
J
J
I
understand
what
they're,
explaining
you'll
have
the
pole:
you'll
have
a
box
on
the
pole
with
their
electrical
equipment
to
keep
it
out
of
the
hands
of
people.
You
know
curious
to
say
what
are
all
these
electronics,
okay
and
and
then
on.
The
top
of
the
pole.
You'll
have
something
that,
if
I
understand,
may
look
like
a
morel
mushroom
or
or
out
like
a
small
antenna
or
an
array
of
antennas,
where
the
signal
will
go
from
pole
to
pole
to
pole
how.
J
The
statute
and
the
ordinance
sets
forth
that
spatial
distance
like
what
it
can
be
200
feet.
It
could
be
800
feet
and
I.
Think
that's
where
we
get
our
engineers
talking
to
their
engineers
to
say:
listen,
we're
not
going
to
deny
you,
but
we
have
a
question.
Can
you
you
know
space
these
out
or
do
you
need
them?
That
close?
Can
we
reduce.
A
F
I
It's
brought
to
your
attention
basically
for
informational
purposes,
so
it
doesn't
catch.
You
off
guard
I
think
the
ordinance
is,
as
mike
has
explained,
that
allows
the
city
to
regulate
these
uses
to
the
extent
allowed
by
the
stage
law.
The
reason
it
needs
to
go
to
Planning
Commission
is
because
it
is
a
land
use
regulation
under
the
Michigan
zoning
enabling
act.
Any
regulation
that
affects
the
use
of
land
must
be
referred
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
a
public
hearings
and
recommendation
back
to
the
okay.
F
So
the
second
question
is
you
mentioned:
basically,
we
have
no
say-so
I
mean
the
state
overruled
the
municipalities.
So
what
happens
if
the
resident
you
know
I
mean
right
now.
The
state
I,
don't
think
I've
seen
anything
other
than
what
was
presented
by
this
gentleman
about
the
harm
to
or
the
potential
harm
to
residents.
So
has
the
state
released
anything
to
the
residents
of
the
state
to
say:
hey,
you
know
we're
gonna.
Do
this,
there's
nothing!
You
can
do
about
it
or
they're,
saying
hey!
F
This
is
not
going
to
be
harmful
for
the
residents,
I
mean
if
you're
gonna
put
it
on
towers
and
people's
backyard
and
there's
children
in
that
area,
or
you
know
at
daycare
or
anything
like
that.
So
I
didn't
see
anything
in
the
ordinance
that
you
actually
had
in
here
that
excludes
them
from
putting
it
or
having
the
residents
have
the
say-so
like.
No,
you
can't
put
this
in
my
backyard.
My
children
plays
back
there,
there's
a
playground
back
there,
so
I
don't
know.
What's
going
on
with
the
state
regarding
that,
so.
J
That's
a
multi-layer
onion.
What
I
can
tell
you
going
back
to
the
FCC?
The
FCC
has
a
rule
that
says
that
the
there
are
no
health
consequences
and
you
cannot
make
that
as
a
municipality,
a
condition
for
denial,
much
like
the
cell
towers
and
the
radiation.
That
was
a
concern
now,
if
it's
any,
if
the
proposed
small
cell
is
in
a
residential
district,
you
have
the
ability
to
zone,
and
you
still
have
that
degree
of
control
to
zone
and
and
say
well,
not
here,
because
there's
a
playground,
but
how
about
over
here?
J
F
So
last
question:
okay,
so
I
traveled
overseas
many
times
and
I've
seen
a
lot
of
countries
actually
more
advanced
and
they
were
more
advanced
than
them.
They're,
using
like
you
mentioned
earlier,
the
towers
higher
towers.
So
why
can't
we
I
mean
I
know
this
is
above
us.
You
know
the
state
level.
What
is
the
state
looking
into
saying?
Hey,
let's
look
at
the
happy
and
old
tower
that
is
much
higher
than
what
they
have
and
put
repeater
towers
in
different
locations
instead
of
infringing
on
residents.
You
know
to
put
stuff
in
their
backyard.
J
That
is
a
very
good
question
that
has
been
addressed.
What
I
can
tell
you
is
the
major
providers
Verizon
and
AT&T
and
to
an
extent
t-mobile,
those
towers
cost
a
lot
of
money
and
the
repeater
equipment
cost
a
lot
of
money.
This
is
a
technology
that
advances
it
to
5g.
They
don't
have
to
have
the
expensive
cell
tower
agreements
for
their
5g.
They
may
have
it
for
their
their
cell
phone
technology,
but
not
for
5g,
and
the
telecommunication
industry
has
successfully
liable
lobbied,
Washington
DC.
C
I
still
have
some
serious
concerns
about
this.
We
had
a
study
session
in
regards
to
5g
and
the
gentleman
that
presented
to
us
and
actually
sent
us
a
lot
of
emails
over
the
last
year
or
so
emails
videos,
whatever
you
and
I,
do
realize.
Obviously,
a
lot
of
it
is
internet-based
and
I
know
you
could
find
on
internet.
Just
about
anything
depends
on
which
direction
you
want
to
take
the
argument,
but
that
being
the
case
I
it's
it's
definitely
wait.
C
C
Nobody,
then
everybody's
fine
with
it
I
just
can't
believe
that
we
are
in
a
time
right
now
in
this
world
or
in
this
city,
where
they
could
roll
it
out,
and
is
we
have
no
say-so,
despite
the
at
the
very
minimal,
perceived
dangers
to
our
residents
in
our
families?
It
just
sounds
even
crazy
that
happen
without
any
input
from
us.
There.
J
Are
many
that
do
not
disagree
with
you?
The
state
of
Michigan
has
taken
over
the
regulatory
authority
and
said
this.
This
is
gonna,
be
rolled
out
and
we've
taken
that
away
from
our
local
municipalities
we've.
Given
you
the
rights
that
you
have
throughout
through
the
statute,
which
is
you
know,
really
not
much
now,.
C
The
second
question
I
had
is
that
during
the
presentation
during
a
study
session,
the
gentleman
mentioned
that
there
is
a
possibility
that
they
could
be
putting
these
towers
every
two
homes
and
then
I
asked
and
verified
again.
He
said
yes,
every
two
to
10
homes,
so
I
said
forget
about
the
10
homes.
Let's
talk
about
two
I
said
two
homes.
He
said
two
homes,
the
quarter,
gram
that
little
power
can
be
put
up.
C
J
I
think
then
I
know
the
gentleman
who
you
speak
of
and
I
don't
disagree.
I
do
know
from
when
I
was
involved
in
the
Metro
Act
in
Lansing,
helping
to
draft
the
applications
of
the
statute
that
the
industry
was
saying.
If
your
engineers
will
talk
to
our
engineers
and
forget
the
lawyers,
we
can
work
it
out,
but
I
don't
disagree
with
you.
There
will
be
a
profitability
component
saying:
do
we
want
to
put
a
another
small
sell,
node
every
two
houses,
or
can
we
spread
it
out?
C
J
I've
worked
with
mr.
Watsa
for
a
number
of
years,
especially
when
I
was
trying
the
case
that
brought
about
the
Metro
Act
and
working
on
the
collaborative
process
where
I
created
the
Metro,
Act
permits
and
and
documents.
I
worked
with
mr.
Watts
on
that
he
was.
He
was
there
if
I
had,
he
was
offering
his
insights
and
input,
but
so
he's
familiar
with
this
technology
he's
very
involved
with
protec
and
he
voices
the
concerns
of
many
municipalities.
So.