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From YouTube: 4/4/23 - Dearborn Heights Budget Study Session
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The Dearborn Heights Study Session for the Corporate Fund Budget for Fiscal Year 2023-2024 taking place Tuesday, April 4th 2023 in the Dearborn Heights Council Chambers and via Zoom.
A
Good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
and
welcome
to
the
2023-2024
corporate
fund
budget
right
now,
it's
5
p.m.
Today
is
April
the
4th.
We
have
additional
sessions
for
the
rest
of
the
departments
on
the
6th,
on
the
13th,
on
the
18th
of
April
and
on
the
21st,
and
then
we
have
a
reserve
date
on
April
the
28th,
and
then
the
budget
public
hearing
will
be
on
the
16th
of
May
at
6
pm
and
the
budget
final
approval
would
be
on
the
23rd
of
May
at
6
p.m.
A
Between
now
and
then,
if
you're
looking
to
see
the
exact
times,
you're
welcome
to
go
on
the
city's
website
and
that
will
put
on
there
as
far
as
the
specific
times
without
having
to
go
over
them
right
now.
Today's
session
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
start
with
our
human
resources
department,
giving
us
a
presentation
for
those
council
members
that
are
here
just
in
case
we're
going
to
wait
until
the
presenter
is
done
with
their
presentation
and
then
we'll
go
ahead
and
ask
whatever
questions
that
we
may
have
also
chair.
Yes,.
B
Just
before
we
start
just
thank
you
guys
so
much
for
being
here
also
with
us
and
to
our
colleagues
just
keep
when
we're
going
through
this.
Can
you
make
sure
you're
letting
us
know
what
page
you're
on
and
when
we're
going
back
and
forth
on
that
yeah
and
it
was,
it
was
easy.
It
was
great
and
thank
you
I
know.
You're
gonna
do
a
great
job.
E
D
C
So
first
is
obviously
just
city
of
Dearborn
Heights
proposed
budget
fiscal
year
for
23.24.
C
C
Next,
we
have
a
list
of
what's
the
agenda
items,
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
the
general
fund
Revenue
by
category
the
general
fund
expenses
expenses
by
Department,
the
major
expansion
expenditure
changes,
the
general
fund
budget
year
over
year
change,
salary
overview
and
breakdown,
road
report,
Pairs
and
maintenance,
water
sewer
fund
highlights
and
Library
and
Tifa
breakdown.
And
of
course
we
didn't
forget
about
you,
Council
chair.
E
C
So
I
wanted
to
introduce
our
Council.
Obviously,
we've
got
I'm
not
going
to
say
last
names
because
I'm
really
bad
at
slaughtering
them,
so
just
go
with
first
names
with
Dave
our
Council
chair
Ray,
our
Council
chair
pro
team
Nancy,
our
councilwoman
Mo
councilman,
Bob,
councilman,
Hassan,
councilman
and
Tom
Wenzel.
Thank
you.
Everyone.
C
And
here
you
will
see
our
revenues
and
it
is
broken
down
by
category
we've
got
our
property
taxes,
State
shared
Revenue,
our
reimbursements,
our
Federal
Street,
Grants
or
other
revenues,
district
court
and
licenses
and
permits
totaling
of
59
million
685
421.
We
can
always
go
back
and
discuss
certain
items
on
this,
but
right
now
this
is
just
an
overview.
A
Actually,
director,
if
you
don't
mind,
if
you
email
this,
either
email
it
to
us
or
print
it
out
for
us
it'd
be
great.
C
General
fund
expenditures,
our
top
three
departments
and
our
fiscal
year.
2324
is
obviously
our
general
government
at
14
million,
our
police
department
at
14
million
and
our
fire
department
at
12
million
top
three
Department
accounts
are
about
70
percent
of
our
total
general
fund
expenses,
which
is
your
Sanitation
Police,
Department
salaries,
pensions
and
Fire,
Department
salaries
and
pensions.
C
E
A
H
C
A
Have
it
also
councilman
I
want
to
point
out
something
you
and
the
others,
even
though
we're
going
through
Department
by
Department
we're
going
to
be
going
through
line
item
by
line
item
at
a
later
date?
Obviously,
so
at
that
particular
Point
questions
may
arise
by
yourself
or
myself
or
whoever
it
is,
and
then
we
will
be
revisiting
the
different
departments,
although
not
as
deep
of
a
visit,
but
we
will
be
revisiting
everything
right.
A
And
if
I
can
interrupt
you
for
a
sec,
also
for
a
lot
of
the
council
members
I
just
want
to
remind
you
a
lot
of
these.
Are
you
know
the
processes,
the
different
department
heads
meet
with
Administration,
and
then
they
give
them
their
their
wants
their
wishes,
what
things
they
would
love
to
have
and
then
they
negotiate.
So
this
thing
goes
through
multiple
phases:
they
negotiate
back
and
forth
with
Administration.
They
cut
it
down
to
what
they
could
come
to
an
agreement
between
the
administration
being
the
mayor's
office
and
the
different
department
heads.
A
Then
they
bring
these
to
us
when
they
bring
these
to
us.
These
are
still
asked,
so
these
are
not
obviously
automatically
approved.
This
is
what
we're
starting
with,
and
then
we
I
hate
to
use
the
words
negotiate,
but
we
debate
argue:
yell
scream
do
whatever
we
need
to
do,
and
then
we
come
to
a
final
agreement
and
then
we
do
the
final
approval.
So
this
is
not
the
end
all
be
all
is
what
I'm
trying
to
tell
you
guys.
C
Right:
okay,
okay.
Thank
you
year
over
year,
your
major
expenditure
changes
I'm,
giving
you
an
overview.
The
Comptroller
is
over
165
percent
from
the
last
year
to
this
year,
because
we
are
moving
the
Professional
Services
that
we
were
previously
budgeted
under
General
government
over
to
the
Comptroller
department
and
then
there's
just
a
little
bit
of
cushion
there
for
additional
professional
service
support
which
we
will
discuss
when
we
start
going
into
my
budget
for
comptroller,
the
ID
I.T
Department,
obviously
is
up
foreign.
C
The
IT
department
obviously,
is
up
because
we
that
is
new
and
we
did
put
the
software
BS
BSB
and
the
internet
purchased
248
thousand
dollars.
Human
Resources
is
up
45
because
of
the
contracted
services
and
an
additional
salaries
which
again,
we
will
discuss
that
going
forward.
Fire
department
is
up
because
of
a
crash
response
vehicle.
Again.
We
will
talk
about
that
when
we
discuss
the
fire
department
and
General
government
is
actually
down
by
six
percent
because
of
the
things
that
we
moved
out
of
there
out
into
the
other
departments.
C
General
fund
budget
year
over
year
changes
from
22
to
23.
We
had
a
general,
we
had
revenue
of
about
56
million
and
our
expenses
we're
at
59
million,
which
meant
that
we
were
over
budget
by
2.8
and
that's
where
we
had
moved
funds
from
our
arpa
to
to
balance
our
budget.
Last
year
this
year
we
have
a
balanced
budget
where
we
have
our
Revenue
at
59
million,
685
421
and
right
now,
our
general
fund
expenditures
are
at
58
753
246,
which
gives
us
932
thousand
dollars
more
in
Revenue
than
in
expenses.
Today,.
C
C
C
Roads,
repairs
and
maintenance.
We
have
local
and
major
streets
expenses
highlighting
for
23-24.
We've
got
to
count
combined
expenses
about
seven
million
five
hundred
and
sixty
five
thousand
five
hundred
and
a
breakdown
for
major
streets,
four
million
six
hundred
and
eighty
three
thousand
with
Street
construction,
Street
and
Bridge
repairs
and
winter
maintenance,
our
local
streets
2.882,
and
that's
going
to
cover
Street
construction,
Street
repairs
and
winter
maintenance.
C
Here's
our
water
and
sewer
breakdown-
and
this
gives
you
the
revenue
for
our
water
and
sewer
fund,
which
is
about
28
million
and
then
we're
going
to
be
about.
Oh,
let's
see
bonds,
and
so
it's
just
kind
of
giving
you
an
overview
of
where
our
revenue
is
coming
from
and
then
again
what
we're
expected.
This
is
our
water
rate
increase
for
the
year
and
that
would
be
waiting
will
be
upon
Council
approval.
We
will
be
raising
our
water
rate
increase
to
5.29
percent
in
the
sewer
rate
about
8.54
percent.
A
C
C
And
then,
finally,
your
Tifa
fund
highlights
the
Tifa
fund
projects
they're,
paying
this
year,
they've
budgeted
for
debt
payments,
the
that's
just
your
acquisition,
Bond
payment
and
interest,
your
sanitary
sewer
lining
expense,
they're,
giving
us
1.5
million
for
that
and
then
other
Improvement
projects
which
we
do
have
a
list.
That
would
be
that
will
be
included
in
your
packet
when
we
go
over
the
Tifa
funds.
C
A
Bunny
yeah
or
Vince
okay.
Well,
thank
you
very
much
controller,
much
appreciated
and
you
said
you'll
email,
yeah
excellent.
Thank
you
very
much
well
put
together
and
I
I
know
you
know
for
what
the
controller
presented
right
now.
It's
still,
you
know
early
stages,
kind
of
a
bird's
eye
view
of
a
lot
of
things
but
I
think
councilman.
A
J
I'm
all
set
I
just
those
percentages
were
that
in
the
beginning,
the
percentage
that
department
is
over
budget
from
last
year
and
then
you
were
explaining
to
us.
Why,
like
you,
said
I.T,
because
it's
a
new
Department,
correct
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
those
percentages
were
over.
H
C
K
C
A
C
J
J
But
and
the
the
phrase
we
used
in
Lansing,
so
we
take
12
million
of
our
money
and
we
use
it
to
redo
all
our
partners,
and
then
we
also
put
our
money
in
our
general
front
from
that
Arbor
money
for
the
expense
to
do
that.
That
was
called
back
filling
back
filling
and
Dave
Savon.
Who
was
here
the
is
that
a
term
that.
J
A
Obviously,
when
she
emails
herself
to
us,
you
may
have
additional
questions
we
can
ask
them
done,
but
for
when
I
any
other
questions,
none
okay,
Human
Resources,
it
is.
F
So
before
we
get
into
my
individual
Department
in
terms
of
the
Human
Resources
Department
I
wanted
to
do
a
presentation
for
you
in
terms
of
overall
Staffing
and
what
is
Staffing
looking
like
as
we're
forecasting
the
next
year,
so
I
gave
you
a
copy
of
the
PowerPoint
if
you
want
to
make
notes
as
I
go
through
it,
but
this
is
to
give
you
kind
of
a
20
000
foot
view
of
what's
going
on
in
Staffing
for
the
city
and
what
we're
forecasting
for
the
23-24
year,
so
whoops
I
did
it
wrong?
F
Okay,
sorry,
okay,
so
I
like
to
revisit
in
terms
of
what
are
the
factors
that
come
into
calculating
Staffing
and
how
do
we
determine
our
staffing?
So,
of
course
we
have
our
components
of
compensation.
We
have
wages
and
salary,
and
then
we
have
benefits
French
benefits
and
pension,
so
wage
and
salary
were
accustomed
to
that.
That's
our
hourly
rate
or
our
salary
rate.
You
know
everybody
is
familiar
with
those
terms,
but
when
it
comes
to
benefits,
lots
of
things
can
fall
under
benefits.
F
So
we
want
you
to
know
that
we're,
including
our
health
insurance,
our
Dental,
our
vision.
Our
life
insurance,
we
also
offer
accidental
death
and
dismemberment
short-term
disability
insurance,
and
then
we
have
a
discount
program
through
Telehealth
that
encompasses
the
benefits
that
we
offer
to
all
of
our
staff
and
all
of
our
positions
that
are
eligible
for
benefits,
then
fringe
benefits
is
a
little
different
term,
and
this
is
really
what
we
consider
an
indirect
form
of
compensation.
F
F
So
most
of
these
things
are
governed
by
our
collective
bargaining
agreements
that
will
articulate
for
the
positions
how
much
of
this
kind
of
time
they're
eligible
for
there
are
also
triggers
related
to
longevity
in
terms
of
your
length
of
service,
the
longer
you
serve
with
the
city,
the
more
time
off
you
get
in
some
of
these
categories,
especially
with
respect
to
vacation
and
then
I
didn't
know.
If
you're
aware
of
this
also,
we
also
offer
tuition
reimbursement.
F
We
have
longevity,
which
longevity
the
concept
there
is
to
reward
you
for
your
years
of
service
and
send
you
to
stay
with
us
longer.
We
also
have
an
employee
assistance
program
and
many
of
our
contracts
provide
a
uniform
allowance.
So
all
of
those
things
kind
of
fall
under
our
Fringe
benefit
umbrella.
So
in
terms
of
how
we
think
of
those
and
how
we
compensate
for
those-
and
of
course
we
have
pension
so
generally,
most
of
our
contracts
have
modified
what
our
ordinance
to
say
and
they
speak
about
25
years
of
employment.
F
We
have
Public
Act
345
for
our
Public
Safety
employees
for
their
pension,
and
then
we
have
the
general
government
employee
pension
and
then,
of
course,
we
also
have
retiree
health
care.
So
those
are
all
factors
that
we
take
into
account
in
terms
of
the
cost
and
value
associated
with
that
when
we're
looking
at
our
staffing,
so
Fair
Labor,
Standard,
Act
federal
law.
F
Fair
Labor
Standard
Act
has
criteria
that
it
has
to
meet
so
it
has
to
be
paid
at
a
certain
amount.
There
has
to
be
a
certain
level
of
responsibility
and
decision
making
that's
associated
with
that
position,
so
we
can't
just
arbitrarily
decide
that
we
want
one
position
to
be
salary
because
we
want
to
save
on
overtime,
there's
really
criteria
that
we
have
to
follow
according
to
to
The
Fairly
rare
standard
deck
to
make
that
happen,
and
then
our
non-exemptor
hourly,
so
your
pay
fluctuates
based
on
the
hours
worked.
F
You
are
eligible
for
overtime
so
generally
under
Fair
Labor
Standard.
If
you
work
more
than
40
hours
a
week,
then
any
hours
beyond
that,
we
would
have
to
pay
you
at
time
and
a
half
of
your
hourly
wage
in
our
collective
bargaining
agreements.
We
have
framed
that
a
little
differently,
sometimes
over
time,
you're
eligible
for
that.
F
Yeah
the
last
piece
here:
com
compensatory
time
or
as
we
call
you
know,
comp
time
so
as
a
public
sector
employer
for
those
employees
who
are
hourly
employees
eligible
to
earn
overtime,
they
have
an
option
to
take
it
as
comp
time,
and
so
we
also
have
things
in
our
collective
bargaining
agreements
that
speak
to
comp
time
and
the
accumulation
of
comp
time.
We
have
caps
in
there.
F
As
you
know,
it's
been
a
challenge
for
us
coming
in
at
the
US
new
to
the
organization
coming
into
administrative
roles,
to
inherit
some
of
the
balances
that
some
of
our
employees
had
accrued
over
time
that
were
beyond
the
Caps
that
were
in
the
collective
bargaining
agreements
and,
as
you
know,
as
we've
worked
with
each
of
our
groups
and
tried
to
negotiate
a
new
contract.
F
We've
tried
to
address
those
things
and
to
bring
us
back
into
alignment
with
some
of
the
Caps
that
we
had
in
our
contracts
and
to
get
rid
of
that
outstanding
liability
that
we
had
in
terms
of
some
large
comp
balances
that
some
of
our
employees
had
and
some
still
have,
because
we're
not
done
bargaining
with
everybody.
Yet,
okay,
a
full-time
position
FTE.
F
And
then
part-time,
so
part-time
is
a
big
umbrella
of
positions.
Generally
speaking,
you
know
we're
limiting
a
part-time
position
to
28
hours
per
week.
Part-Time
positions
are
not
eligible
for
benefits,
any
of
the
medical
dental
or
paid
time
off
and
in
some
of
our
positions,
we're
limited
to
Staffing
that
by
180
days
per
position
before
we
would
have
to
rotate.
We
also
have
some
regular
or
permanent
part-time
opportunities.
Those
tend
to
be
capped
at
20
hours
per
week,
again,
not
necessarily
benefit
eligible,
and
they
may
continue
indefinitely.
F
There's
no
set
deadline
for
those
and
in
the
places
where
we
have
a
lot
of
part-time
positions,
the
library
Parks
and
Rec
Department
our
Police
Department.
If
you
think
about
the
jailers,
the
20th
district
court,
if
you
think
about
the
security
guards,
our
Police
Department
also
has
crossing
guards.
So
you
know
those
fall
into
part-time
positions,
and
then
we
have
some
part-time
positions
in
our
in
our
pension.
We
staff
our
pension
with
a
couple
of
part-time
positions
and
many
other
departments.
So
just
this
is
where
the
majority
of
them
are
housed.
F
So
when
you're
thinking
about
full-time
compared
to
part-time
I,
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
comparison.
So
again,
a
full-time
position
can
be
either
salary
or
hourly.
It's
generally
benefit
eligible
pension
eligible
and
we
think
of
it
as
a
permanent
position.
So
we're
looking
to
fill
it
for
someone
to
stay
in
that
position
for
the
Long
Haul
and
then
our
part-time
positions
can
only
be
hourly
they're
less
than
40,
maybe
a
permanent
or
a
temporary
position,
and
generally
we
limit
it
to
20,
not
more
than
28
hours
per
week
and
generally
less
than
six
months.
F
F
F
A
given
process
I
follow
these
five
steps
every
time,
I'm
doing
the
ABC
task,
or
is
it
a
process
where
there's
decision
decision
making
being
made
by
the
employee
in
that
position
in
terms
of
how
a
task
is
going
to
be
accomplished,
there's
more
than
one
way
that
it
could
be
done
and
the
employee
has
the
discretion
to
determine
the
best
way
to
do
that
and
then
we're
looking
at
comparables
when
we're
looking
at
new
positions,
we
look
at
market
rate.
We
try
to
look
at
other
organizations
comparable
to
our
size,
public
sector
organizations.
F
Most
organizations
have
a
pay
philosophy
and
if
you
think
about
private
sector
and
competition,
you
think
about
some
places
pay
below
the
market.
Some
are
at
the
market.
Some
lead
the
market
so
depends
on
the
nature
of
the
business
that
you
have
and
what
kind
of
philosophy
you
know
you
might
follow
with
respect
to
that.
So
what
your
turnover
is
and
what
the
complexity
of
the
tasks
are,
that
you're
hiring
people
to
do
and
then,
of
course,
your
ability
to
pay
is
always
an
important
factor.
F
Okay
and
then
the
role
of
your
HR
department
in
terms
of
Staffing
is
one
of
the
components
is
really
a
gatekeeper.
If
you
will
so
once
the
budget
is
set
and
the
Staffing
is
determined,
then,
as
positions
become
vacant,
it's
our
responsibility
to
help
facilitate
filling
those.
But
if
new
positions
come
forward,
then
we're
the
gatekeeper
to
go
well.
Is
this
an
additional
FTE,
or
is
this
within
the
allocation
of
your
current
department?
F
So
we're
a
little
bit
of
the
gatekeeper
with
respect
to
that
budgeted
position
versus
a
new
position
and,
of
course,
we're
responsible
for
recruitment
and
retention
and
then
updating
job
descriptions
as
we
go
forward.
So
people
who
have
served
in
a
position
for
a
long
time
in
our
city,
their
tasks
may
have
evolved
over
time
when
they
exit
that
position.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
capturing
what
their
tasks
actually
are
from
the
next
person
who's
moving
into
that
position,
and
so
that's
an
ongoing
writing
campaign.
F
Okay
and
now
looking
at
so
that
gives
you
the
basics
of
how
we
look
at
Staffing
and
and
how
we
try
to
compute
these
things.
So
here's
our
staffing
proposal
in
terms
of
what
Staffing
is
going
to
look
like
for
the
upcoming
year.
So
for
the
22-23
year
we
were
staffed
at
293.5,
fte's,
full-time,
equivalent
positions.
F
What
we're
looking
for
for
the
upcoming
year
2324
is
we're
proposing
an
increase
of
three
positions:
we're
looking
at
a
GIS
coordinator
in
the
building
and
Engineering
Department,
a
confidential
secretary
in
the
HR
department,
which
may
be
subject
to
negotiations.
That's
why
there's
an
asterisk
there
and
a
paralegal
for
corporate
Council,
so.
F
F
So
when
I
go
to
account
for
the
cost
of
their
compensation,
then
I'm
splitting
that
between
two
departments,
so
they
might
be
a
0.5
in
ordinance
and
a
0.5
in
the
police
department.
But
it's
one
person
in
a
full-time
position,
but
that's
how
we're
breaking
out
and
covering
the
cost
for
the
compensation.
F
So
then,
I
want
to
talk
with
you
about
each
of
these
positions,
so
the
gis
coordinator,
we're
estimating
a
70
000
salary
for
that
position
would
be
housed
in
the
building
and
engineering
department
requires
a
degree
and
expertise.
So
this
position
we
feel,
is
going
to
be
able
to
help
us
with
the
issues
in
terms
of
boundaries
and
assessors
and
how
our
property
boundaries
is.
The
best
word
that
I
can
think
of
have
not
been
updated,
have
not
been
corrected,
and
so
that's
a
real
challenge
for
us.
F
Whenever
someone
wants
to
start
something
or
build
a
house
or
do
an
expansion,
and
so
the
information
has
not
been
housed
with
the
city
when
it
has
been
done,
and
we
also
know
that
it
really
needs
to
be
updated
in
order
for
us
to
accurately
be
able
to
provide
the
tax
benefits
to
the
city
in
terms
of
what
we're
doing
with
respect
to
those
boundaries.
There
are
a
lot
of
components
associated
with
this.
This
will
help
the
assessment
Department.
This
will
help
the
building
and
engineering
department.
F
Okay.
The
second
position
is
the
paralegal.
This
would
be
housed
with
our
corporate
Council
again
expecting
a
degree
in
expertise.
Often
a
paralegal
is
someone
who's
also
attending
law
school,
but
there
are
training,
programs
and
skills
associated
with
just
serving
fully
as
a
paralegal,
we're
estimating
that
salary.
For
that
position
to
be
about
eighty
thousand
and
then
the
last
one
would
be
adding
a
confidential
secretary
to
the
HR
department.
Our
current
executive
secretarial
positions,
confidential
secretaries,
are
right
in
that
55
000
range.
So
that's
why
we
set
the
salary
at
that
amount.
F
We
have
another
point.
It
would
be
in
the
HR
department.
So
again
as
we
come
to
the
building
and
engineering
department
as
we
come
to
corporate
Council
and
as
we
come
to
the
HR
department,
we'll
come
back
to
these
positions.
If
you
have
questions
about
them,
most
of
our
departments
requested
more
Staffing
and,
as
we
looked
at
the
totality
of
the
budget,
this
is
our
recommendation
in
terms
of
what
administration
is
prioritizing
in
the
impact
that
it
would
have
on
the
organization.
We
would
really
love
to
have
granted
everybody.
F
Their
position
requests
their
solid,
practical
requests
that
are
coming
in
and
again
we
look
at
our
resources
and
try
to
prioritize
different
departments
at
different
times.
F
F
So
we've
done
that
in
the
Comptroller's
office
our
DPW
supervisors
went
from
supervisors
to
superintendents.
In
our
library
we
still
have
eight
Librarians,
but
we
had
moved
some
to
branch
managers,
again
scope
of
responsibilities
and
in
our
Police
Department
we're
doing
some
reclassification
staying
within
their
allocation,
but
assigning
different
jobs
to
those
tasks.
F
Okay
and
then
I
thought
you
would
be
curious
about
where
we
were
with
vacant
positions,
so
I'm
just
giving
you
a
quick
update
here
with
respect
to
this.
So
the
thing
about
Staffing
and
about
vacant
positions
is
that
you
have
to
understand.
This
is
a
constant
moving
Target.
So
that's
why
I
say
as
of
April
3rd
I
can
tell
you
that
this
is
where
we
are
so.
F
J
F
Then,
in
our
fire
department
we're
down
five
positions
and
in
our
Police
Department
we're
down
21
positions
so
in
our
Police
Department,
that's
four
command
officers,
11
Patrol
officers
and
six
dispatchers.
The
good
news
for
both
of
our
fire
and
our
Police
Department
are
that
for
our
fire
department.
We
have
conducted
interviews
through
our
act
78
process.
F
We
now
have
a
certified
list
of
firefighters,
so
we're
going
to
be
able
to
start
making
offers
of
employment
there
we're
excited
about
that
and
our
Police
Department,
the
four
command
officers
is
a
promotional
process,
so
we're
following
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
with
respect
to
that
promotional
process.
We
have
scheduled
dates
in
May
for
the
testing
in
June
for
the
oral
board,
so
we're
on
our
way
to
being
able
to
fill
those
and
then
for
our
11
Patrol
officers.
F
We
have
six
Patrol
officers
that
have
been
certified
on
a
list
through
act
78,
so
we're
going
to
be
able
to
start
offering
those
positions.
There's
a
letter
of
understanding,
that's
going
to
be
part
of
the
council
packet
for
our
next
council
meeting,
in
which
we're
trying
to
work
out
something
called
a
lateral
agreement
with
the
Union
which
would
allow
us
to
hire,
experienced
police
officers
in
and
give
them
some
credit
for
that
experience
within
specific
parameters
that
we
have
worked
out
with
the
Union.
F
That
will
also
help
us
so
just
like
in
a
in
a
school
district,
you
never
want
a
school
building
that
has
all
new
teachers
in
their
first
year.
You
always
want
some
kind
of
mixture
there
in
terms
of
that
balance.
Similarly,
as
we're
going
forward
to
fill
in
our
positions
for
the
police
department,
we
don't
want
all
brand
new
people.
You
know
we
want.
F
We
also
have
certified
lists
for
those
positions
so
we're
making
those
offers.
We
have
more
people
on
the
list
than
we
have
open
positions
yay.
So
that's
really
good
news,
so
we're
going
to
be
able
to
move
forward
in
terms
of
of
getting
those
those
filled,
but
just
to
give
you
an
idea
about
where
we
are
with
respect
to
that.
F
Okay
and
then
here's
something
I
call
HR
by
the
numbers.
So,
even
though
we're
staffed
for
290
a
little
under
300,
you
know
full-time
positions
for
the
2022
year
we
issued
487
W-2s.
Just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
the
volume
of
people
that
move
through
the
payroll
department
and
the
HR
department.
We
have
348
active
retirees
that
we
also
support
and
in
the
calendar
year
of
2022
January
to
December
31st
66
new
employees
were
hired
and
78
employees
separated.
So
again,
payroll
and
HR
are
touching
all
of
those
activities.
F
A
You
very
much
good
job
councilman
Bedrooms
First
of.
G
Hr
Director
the
fire
department
with
the
five
vacancies.
How
many
do
we
have
that
we're
looking
at
right
now,
if
they
've
actually
been
interviewed.
F
E
F
Through
acts
78
after
we
have
done
the
testing
and
the
oral
board,
then
there's
a
composite
score
done.
So
that's
the
Civil
Service
process,
so
you
have
a
score
for
your
written
and
then
you
have
a
score
for
the
oral
board
and
then
there's
a
combination
of
that
score,
which
results
in
a
final
number
and
then
you're
in
rank
order
based
on
that
composite
number.
And
then
the
commission
verifies
that
that
is
correct
and
that
the
scores
are
correct
and
they
sign
off.
G
And
another
question
here,
but
about
the
part-time
people
in
ordinance,
I
know
they're
only
allow
to
stay
for
six
months.
Is
there
a
way
we
can
I
guess
that
would
be
contract
negotiations?
It's
probably
not
the
time
for
that,
but
I
know
there's
a
big
turnover
with
the
with
the
part-time
people
there
and
we
train
them.
They
leave
and
get
a
job
somewhere
else
fully
trained
full-time
and
we
lose
their
expertise
there.
But
my
big
concern
is
with
the
fire
department
and
police
boy.
We
can't
we
can't
be
without
those
guys,
yeah.
E
F
E
F
Respect
to
the
part-time
positions
and
ordinance
You
Might
Recall
last
year
that
we
added
a
full-time
position
to
the
Ordinance
Department,
that's
been
a
big
help
and
then,
with
respect
to
any
position
that
falls
under
the
tpoam
union.
We
can
fill
that
part-time,
but
for
not
longer
than
six
months
and
I.
Think
that's
what
you're
referring
to.
G
F
Of
that
that
turnover,
so
you
know
we
understand
that
part
of
that
is
also
to
try
to
safeguard
full-time
positions
so
that
there
wouldn't
be
a
situation
where
Administration
didn't
fill
full-time
positions
and
only
filled
them
part-time.
So
you
know
that's
not
a
scenario
that
either
of
us
want,
but
I
think
that's
why
that
language
is
in
that
contract
is
to
address
that.
G
G
C
H
F
A
I'm
going
to
point
out
for
some
of
the
council
members
in
the
audience
when
I
found
this
out
about
six
years
ago.
It
blew
my
mind,
but
the
the
biggest
employer
in
the
city
of
Dearborn
Heights
is
the
city
of
Dearborn
Heights,
with
the
biggest
employer.
There's
no
other,
that's
not
sometimes
when
people
compare
to
other
cities
and
they
say
well
how
come
that
city
is
doing
this
and
that
city
is
doing
that
their
biggest
employers
is
not
the
city
hall.
In
our
case,
it's
it's
our
sitting
in
hype
being
the
first
non-governmental
hyperbole.
G
Another
question:
if
you
have
all
of
these
people
budgeted
like,
say
and
we're
still
short,
five
officers:
five
firemen
and
21
police
officers
they're
budgeted
for,
but
what
happens
with
the
money?
If
you
don't
get.
C
F
F
A
Director,
if
you're
I
know
you've
been,
is
our
HR
director
for
what
two.
A
Half
yeah,
okay,
you're
doing
a
great
job.
By
the
way
have
you
seen
any
change
as
far
as
being
able
to
attract
more
police
officers
because
I,
you
know,
I
mean
let's
talk
about
the
elephant
in
room.
Everybody
talks
about
that.
There's
been
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge
with
across
the
board.
Nationwide
Police
Department
is
hiring
police
off
additional
police
officers.
But
have
you
seen
any
type
of
change
in
last
year
and
a
half
doing
this?
And
what
can
we
do
as
council
members?
A
For
me,
I
tell
you
I've
always
been
a
proponent
proponent,
of
hiring
officers
at
a
higher
salary
and
I
know.
Many
of
you
have
had
this
conversation.
You
always
say
we
have
a
lot
of
great
benefits
and
and
I'm
sure
we
do,
but
I
I
still
think
starting
out
at
40.
000,
in
my
opinion,
is
just
36..
No,
it's
40.
yeah
40
000..
It's
still
way
too
low.
A
In
my
opinion,
and
and
I
see
a
lot
of
the
ads
for
a
lot
of
different
departments
that
show
you
know
fifty
six
thousand
and
fifty
two
thousand
etc
etc.
And
me-
and
you
talked
about
this
I
felt
I-
would
rather
have
for
us
as
a
city,
a
higher
pay
up
front
which
would
attract
more
officers
than
just
the
fringe
benefits,
just
because
it's
something
that's
right
in
front
of
them
versus
the
carrot
for
when
they
retire.
You
know
20
30
years.
F
A
F
This
is
why
we
have
we'll
have
something
before
you
for
the
next
council
meeting
that
we've
been
talking
with
the
Union
about
to
to
work
out
and
that's
what
I
had
referenced
earlier
when
I
talked
about
a
lateral
move,
it's
a
complicated
thing,
so
I
don't
want
to
get
into
it
at
this
point
in
time
with
you,
that'll
be
coming
up
for
next
next
Tuesday,
but
those
are
the
three
things
that
we're
doing.
F
G
J
Ahead,
so
just
so
I
understand
what
you're
saying
so
as
of
now
somebody
works
for
the
Farmington
Hills
Police
Department
they
have
nine
years
and
whatever
happens,
they
get
fired
or
they
say.
Look
you
better
resigner
we're
going
to
fire
you.
So
they
get
a
fighter
or
they
leave.
So
they
come
over
here
and
they're,
lieutenant
or
they're
the
community
police
officer.
J
L
J
F
Didn't
hear
what
you
said:
I
said
that
today,
if
you're
a
patrol
officer
in
another
community-
and
you
want
to
come
work
for
the
city
of
Dearborn
Heights
as
a
patrol
officer,
then
today
what
I
can
offer.
You
is
the
entry
level
step
step
one,
regardless
of
what
your
experience
is.
Okay,
what
I
was
sharing
with
you
is
that
we're
working
on
a
couple
of
different
strategies,
one
with
acts
78
the
Civil
Service
process,
which
has
rules
around
these
components
that
we're
asking
for
some
leeway
there
so
that
we
can
get
people
started.
J
C
D
Specifics
of
the
budget-
yes,
okay,
I
got
a
couple
questions
the
Staffing
in
the
HR
department
I
know
they've
in
the
past.
Besides,
the
director
they've
been
all
Union
positions,
so
these
three,
the
GSI
coordinator,
paralegal
and
the
confidential
secretary.
Those
are
all
Union
positions,
so.
F
A
F
F
E
F
A
Okay,
so
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
start
with
the
budget
with
director
hasla
in
regards
to
human
resources,
and
then
we
have
one
two,
three,
four,
five,
six,
seven,
eight
different
budgets
that
we're
gonna
go
through
today.
So
one
thing
we
got
to
be
careful
with
is
Council
Members.
Is
we
gotta
stick
to
the
budget
part
instead
of
having
eight
discussions
on
just
generic
stuff
so
sure,
but
I
with
respect
to.
A
B
Police
department,
all
right,
I,
agree,
but
you
have
to
keep
in
mind
cups
to
cheer
that
we
are
elected.
This
is
our
main
position
and
with
respect
to
the
administration
thanks
for
their
recommendation,
but
guess
what
we
approved
this
budget,
we
we
can
interpret
it
and-
and
so
I
want
our
colleagues
here
to
know
that
today
that
this
is
great
and
you
know
we're
going
to
follow
the
recommendations.
But
if
there's
something
that
you
like
or
something
that
you
want
to
see,
this
is
what
we
work
to
do
like.
A
E
E
A
F
I'm
looking
for
an
increase
in
salary
because
I'm
adding
an
FTE
that,
in
terms
of
that
confidential
secretary,
if
I'm
approved
for
that
this
budget
incorporates
those
costs,
so
you
see
the
increase
in
the
French
benefits
and
the
hospital
Insurance
costs
from
one
fiscal
year
to
the
next
for
adding
opposition
in
the
department.
Again,
if
the
recommendation
is
accepted
and
then
in
contracted
Services,
there's
an
increase
in
contracted
services,
so
contracted
Services.
What
I've
really
recognized
has
to
do?
F
F
So
in
the
22-23
year,
I
was
able
to
do
a
leadership,
development,
Retreat
training
for
the
directors
and
the
leadership
of
the
city
and
then
in
the
late
spring,
I
was
able
to
start
some
customer
service
training
for
our
clerical
staff.
So
I'm
looking
to
have
an
opportunity
to
expand
on
that
and
that's
where
the
contracted
Services
comes
into
play.
L
A
F
F
So
I
find
that
I
am
also
providing
help
and
support
at
an
executive
leadership,
level,
coaching
and
counseling,
with
the
mayor's
office,
and
also
with
the
leadership
team
with
the
directors
and
crafting
things
that
have
to
do
with
organizational
development
and
how
we
grow
in
in
mature
and
so
looking
at
the
elevation
of
this
position
into
an
executive
director
from
a
director
of
HR.
A
And
then,
in
addition
to
that,
you
said,
you're
looking
have
an
additional
HR
specialist
for
63
000.,
no.
F
F
Trying
to
Cobble
with
part-time
people,
some
additional
help
that
has
been
coming
and
going
and
so
really
trying
to
assess
what
kind
of
help
and
support.
What
are
the
things
that
I'm
constantly
behind
in
in
terms
of
my
ability
to
deliver
quality
customer
service
to
the
employees.
Thinking
that
a
confidential
secretary
is
the
right
next
piece
to
help
us
be
able
to
do.
F
F
B
Council
chair
all
right
Council.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
and
I
just
have
a
couple
of
questions
and
thank
you
for
your
service
and
your
work
here.
It
mean
to
the
world,
but
I,
remember
last
year
that
when
we
did
this
in
the
past,
when
we
budgeted
for
the
the
individual
that
was
working
in
the
HR
building
or
Department,
one
of
the
things
that
we
gave
that
raise
was
because
it
was
said
that
you
know
this.
B
Individual
here
is
going
to
work
as
if
they're
working
for
two
people,
and
so
that's
why
we
are
now
paying
somebody
the
sixty
thousand
dollars
that
we're
paying.
If
you
recall
what
happened
last
year's
meeting
and
so
Mr
Saputo
was
explaining
that
the
individual
that's
being
paid
sixty
thousand
that
bumped
from
35
to
60
was
due
to
that
he's.
Gonna
be
doing
two
people's
positions
and
there
wasn't
a
need
to
have
three
people
this
year,
we're
coming
forward
and
we're
saying
that
you're
doing
more
work,
so
we're
bumping
that
up
to
90.
B
by
then
we're
bringing
another
HR
secretary
confidential
secretary,
that's
going
to
be
at
fifty
five
thousand
dollars,
but
that's
also
not
budgeting
for
well.
At
least
I.
Don't
see
what
we're
budgeting
for
their
their
benefits,
their
fringe
benefits
their
health
insurance
and
things
like
that.
So
technically
it's
more
than
fifty
five
thousand
dollars.
So
so.
B
B
Same
goes
for
the
one
with
this:
that's
the
individual
that
works
there
now
is
that
60
000,
including
fringe
benefits,
I,
know
we've
had
these
discussions
before
that
when
we're
comparing
different
municipalities,
we
are
more
competitive,
like
in
the
police
department,
because
we're
offering
fringe
benefits
we're
offering
Public
Act
345,
and
so
this
kind
of
sits
the
same
narrative
and
and
if
you're
looking
here
this
jumped
up.
You
know
the
budget
here
jumped
up.
G
A
Director
Haslett
I
I
know
councilman
Wenzel
had
asked
for
that
and
I
know
previous
council
members
had
to
ask
for
that
in
the
past,
which
is
the
breakdown
of
the
salaries
in
in
in
the
budget,
because
when
we
see
things
like
salaries
here,
I
mean
right
now
we
asked
you
to
break
down,
then
it
clarified
a
little
bit
more.
A
Unless
I'm
wrong
per
Department
would
make
it
so
much
easier
to
be
able
to
make
a
decision,
because
when
you
see
them
lumped
up,
you
know
whether
it's
four
hundred
thousand
six
hundred
thousand
or
a
million
I
I,
don't
know
it's
hard
to
determine,
based
on
the
projected
but
recommended
budget
that
you're
recommending
why
we
need
to
go
that
much
higher
or
maybe,
in
some
cases,
lower
Council.
B
Chair,
yes,
also
Mrs
Haslet.
We
also
in
the
past
I
think
for
as
long
as
I
always
looked
at
the
budget.
They
always
give
a
breakdown
of
specific
employee.
It
could
be
the
HR
Director
this
much
and.
B
And
it
was
always
in
our
budget
I
know
last
year
they
gave
it
towards
the
end,
but
I
mean
I,
don't
know
how
much
it
changed
from
last
year.
I
believe
Mariana
gave
it
to
us
towards
the
end.
So
if
we
have
the
same
thing
and
if
you
just
have
to
make
some
adjustments
on
that,
just
make
the
few
adjustments
and
send
it
right
back
to
us
and.
A
C
C
D
J
C
Paid
yes,.
C
A
F
No
so
this
position
yes.
C
I
did
recommend
a
five
percent
increase
for
all
in
all
salaries,
but
again
that
is
on
the
table,
and
that
is
something
that
we
could
discuss.
It
is
not
something
that
has
to
happen.
I
just
thought
doing,
due
to
inflation,
I
put
a
five
percent
increase
in
there
for
all
okay.
D
D
C
D
D
D
Too,
and
one
other
thing
is,
you
know
anytime,
we
refer
to
the
you
know
the
the
police,
salaries,
the
fire
salaries,
DPW
salaries
on
the
hourly
employee
salaries
and
say
yeah
they're-
and
this
is
you
know,
stated
by
HR
all
the
time
they
are
low,
but
their
benefit
package
is
outstanding.
D
So
you
know
all
these
other
positions
that
aren't
hourly.
They
can't
just
go
up
high
because
they're
they're
getting
the
exact
the
exact
same
benefit
package
as
everyone.
So
you
can't
you
got
to
be
even
you
can't
say:
well,
we
can't
pay
you
guys,
but
you
get
a
we're.
Gonna
pay,
the
lowest
in
the
in
this
area,
but
you're
getting
a
good
benefit
package,
and
we
can't
say
all
these
salary
people
we're
going
to
pay
you
a
comparable
plus
you
get
the
same
benefit
package.
F
So
a
point
well
note
at
Mr,
Wenzel
you'll
also
note
that
in
the
collective
bargaining
agreements
that
I've
negotiated
thus
far,
there
have
been
wage
increases.
We
recognize
that
that's
an
issue
across
the
city
into
the
degree
that
we're
able
to
work
that
out
at
the
table
we've
been
trying
to
address
it.
Well,.
C
C
A
Okay,
you
know
I
I
would
like
to
say
and
I've
said
it
many
times
in
the
past.
I
know
with
the
preservation
we
had
earlier.
My
belief
has
always
been
to
be
a
market
leader
to
bring
the
best
the
the
the
the
most
skill
that
every
position
you
got
to
pay
better
if
we
have
to
lower
the
fringe
benefits
a
little
bit
and
then
raise
the
salaries
up
front.
A
That's
what's
going
to
attract
people,
you
I
I,
find
everybody
gets
attracted
to
the
initial
salary
so
but
I'm
always
going
to
be
a
believer
in
being
a
Mark
I.
Do
this
in
my
business
and
I'm
I
believe
in
it
in
City
Hall,
you
got
to
pay
people
a
little
bit
better.
That's
how
you
get
skilled
positions,
that's
how
people
stay
and
don't
leave
and
and
I
think
in
our
Police
Department,
that's
been
also
one
of
the
issues
is
the
lower
pay
Council.
A
B
Definitely
agree
with
you
and
and
I
don't
want
to
get
in
the
back
and
forth
discussion,
but
in
this
last
year
we
want
to
give
our
Union
employees
a
one
percent,
raise
and
said:
that's
all
we
can
afford
so
I
mean
if,
if
you
want
to
be
equal
and
want
to
be
fair,
we
need
to
be
fair
across
the
board
here.
I
agree.
So
if
you
know
I'm
being
told
that
we
can't
afford
to
pay
anybody
these
big
raises,
then
it
should
be
equal
across
the
board.
J
H
C
Okay,
The
Fringe
Benefits
has
been
changed
this
year
because
now
it's
just
going
to
include
FICA
and
then
we
broke
down
the
pension,
because
last
year,
The
Fringe
benefit
pension
was
included
in
Fringe,
benefit
account,
and
now
we
broke
it
down
into
pension
account.
Only
so
you'll
see
a
pension,
a
new
account
under
there
and
that's
where
you'll
see
the
big
difference.
F
So
if,
if
you
look
at
page
15
okay,
so
if
you
go
about
halfway
down-
and
you
see-
General
government
pen
see
that
that
level,
okay
and
then
look
all
the
way
across.
And
you
see
a
dollar
amount
in
the
recommended
budget
for
23.24
line.
And
you
see
that
there
was
nothing
in
there
in
the
2223
line.
And
then,
if
you
go
down
to
the
next
line,
it
says
French
benefit.
F
A
That
difference.
Okay,
we
all
said:
okay,
director
hasla,
the
contractual
Services
based
on
the
amended
budget
for
2223
and
the
travel
education
respectively,
being
at
65
000
for
one
and
then
the
new
ask
is
123
000..
Do
you
know
why
it's
such
a
big
jump.
F
So
part
of
that
is
again
contracted
Services
was
the
majority
of
the
labor
attorney
and
we
still
have
contracts
to
negotiate.
We're
probably
going
to
hit
that
number.
So
the
increase
in
contracted
Services
was
twofold.
One
was
to
have
resources
to
continue
to
provide
training
and
contract
with
a
trainer
facilitator
professional
to
provide
that
ongoing
development
for
our
staff
and
then
I
think
that
was
really
it.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Okay
I
have
two
other
budgets
to
go
over
with
you
right.
D
Go
ahead,
Council,
chair
real,
quick
question:
can
you
give
us
at
the
end
of
each
department
the
the
percentage
increased
or
increased
for
that
budget?
They.
A
Yeah
I
mean
you'd
have
to
take
councilman,
you
got
the
projected
activity
for
2022-23,
321
000
and
the
recommended
budget
is
482.
000.
A
B
C
Each
department,
if
you
want
me
to
pull
that
up
I,
would
gladly
do
that.
C
Us
right,
I
am
definitely
going
to
send
it
to
you
and
also
to
stick
for
clarification
that
five
percent
was
across
the
board
for
all,
not
just
the
non-union
Administration
and
we
are
not
in
negotiations
yet.
As
I
said,
I
just
put
that
as
a
placeholder.
C
F
F
F
A
F
Okay,
so
this
is
the
Civil
Service
Commission,
so
this
is
the
process
for
full-time.
F
That
don't
fall
under
the
public
safety
Public
Safety
is
your
fire
and
police.
So
in
the
city
of
Dearborn
Heights
we
have
two
Civil
Service
commissions,
one
for
General
government
and
the
other
for
Public
Safety.
So
this
is
the
Civil
Service
Commission,
so
we
compensate
the
Commissioners
for
serving
and
then
what
you
really
have
in
terms
of
the
professional
and
contracted
Services.
That's
what
we
use
for
all
of
our
testing
costs.
F
So
again,
part
of
the
Civil
Service
process
is
administering
tests
to
our
candidates,
and
then
we
also
use
that
for
marketing
in
terms
of
attending
job
fairs
and
other
things
that
we're
trying
to
do
to
promote
employment
opportunities
in
the
city,
and
you
will
see
that
there
is
a
decrease
in
that
budget.
From
last
year
to
this
year,
I
talked
with
the
Comptroller,
not
sure
that
all
of
our
appropriate
expenses
have
been
charged
there,
I'm
confident
that
I've
spent
more
than
a
thousand
dollars
on
testing
and
job
fairs
and
recruitment
efforts
for
those
positions.
A
Okay,
director,
so
that's
so
I,
know
they're
kind
of
confusing,
because
I
know
you
just
mentioned
it
again.
If
we
have
the
projected
activity
for
22
23,
because
obviously
our
budget
year
is
not
over
until
the
end
of
June.
So
with
that
being
the
case,
we
have
it
at
9127,
but
then
the
recommended
budget
is
17
638.
How
is
that
a
decrease
so.
G
A
Year
because
the
6000
is
just
partial
year,
that's
not
the
full
year
correct.
The
projected
activity
through
the
full
year
is
nine
thousand,
and
then
the
recommended
budget
is
17
000.,
and
what
I'm
asking
is?
Yes,
that's
lower
than
the
amended
budget,
but
what
I'm
saying
is
it's
irrelevant
what
they
meant
it
budget,
but
was
what
was
more
relevant
is
what
actually
was
spent
this
year.
That's
more
accurate
and,
with
that
being
the
case,
being
nine
thousand
one
hundred
and
twenty
seven
or
at
least
projected
to
be
spent
nine
thousand.
How
is
it
decreased?
A
E
L
F
God
and
then
the
other
civil
service
budget
that
we
have
is
for
acts
78,
and
this
is
for
our
Public
Safety
for.
H
Sorry
before
we
move
on
just
Civil
Service,
what's
that
ten
thousand
four
professional?
What.
F
F
Professional
and
contracted
services,
so
that's
where
we
charge
our
testing,
so
we
have
to
test
all
of
our
candidates
and
also
any
of
the
marketing
that
we're
doing
in
terms
of
attending
job
fairs
or
sometimes
to
have
one
of
our
positions
be
at
the
top
of.
Indeed,
you
know
we
pay
a
little
fee
for
that,
as
opposed
to
the
free
way
to
do
it.
So
thank
you.
F
Okay
and
then
acts
78
commission
again,
this
is
for
Public
Safety.
This
is
for
fire
and
police
very
similar
to
the
other.
We
have
Commissioners
who
serve
on
there.
So
we
have
commissioner
fees
for
that
and
then
the
professional
and
contracted
Services
we're
using
for
the
same
thing
for
the
testing
costs
associated
for
new
hires
and
promotions
and
then
also
for
job
fairs
and
for
recruitment
activities.
Well,.
A
B
B
C
C
L
D
F
D
F
So
two
different
things
so
because
this
is
act
78
for
Public
Safety,
then
this
is
the
background
checks
that
we
do
for
Public,
Safety
positions
for
fire
and
police.
Okay.
In
addition,
we
also
do
background
checks
for
General
government
employees
and
that's
under
your
contracted
services
for
the
general
Civil
Service
Commission.
H
H
I
know
it
was
the
budget
was
2500
last
year,
but
now
the
projected
activity
is
27.75.
C
M
A
C
M
Hello
Council,
my
name
is
John
Reilly
I'm,
a
trustee
on
the
two
pension
boards,
I'm,
not
a
paid
employee.
The
pension
system
has
two
executive
level:
part-time
employees
that
I
work
between
the
two
pension
systems.
We
didn't
have
a
a
pension
administrator.
We
hired
a
new
pension
administrator.
Her
first
day
was
today
and
rather
than
putting
her
in
the
hot
seat.
On
the
first
day,
I'm
sitting
before
you
today
with
the
pension
budgets,
the
two
pension
employees
are
sitting
in
the
back.
We
have
Lori
kopchek,
who
is
the
new
elected
pension?
M
I
mean
not
elected
the
new
appointed
pension
administrator
at
a
part-time
and
then
Mickey
is
the
retirement
specialist
and
they
work
between
both
systems.
You
guys
chose
Mickey
Mickey's
been
with
us
for
a
while.
M
So
on
that
particular
page,
do
you
want
me
to
go
through
line
by.
M
Us
a
general
outline
okay,
so,
basically
you
can
see
the
part-time
salary
line
went
down,
okay
from
43
750
to
24
000.,
that's
based
on
last
year,
when
the
budget
was
prepared.
The
budget
prepare
put
one
employee
in
this
pension
and
one
in
the
345..
What
the
employees
do
is
when
they
work
on
one
pension
system,
when
they
input
their
time
part-time
time,
they
would
put
it
into
either
the
345
or
the
general
government.
M
So
the
budget
is
set
up
where
two-thirds
of
the
work
is
pretty
much
into
the
police
and
fire
345
area
and
one-third
is
General
government,
mainly
because
the
system
isn't
as
complicated
as
the
police
and
fire.
It
doesn't
have
a
drop
system,
it
doesn't
have
annuity
withdrawal,
it's
a
simpler
plan,
and
so
normally
the
workflow
is
basically
two-thirds
police
and
fire
one-third
General
government.
So
that
is
the
reason.
I
have
a
breakdown
a
sheet
for
that.
If
you'd
like
me
to
hand
that
out,
but
if
you
have
any
more
questions,
I
would
like
that.
M
All
right,
the
next
line
item
is
the
commission
fees.
The
recording
secretary
for
the
general
government
pension
is
the
city
clerk.
Lancinia
she's
been
doing
that,
probably
for
10
or
more
years.
So
that's
her
commission
fees
for
during
the
recording
secretary
duties.
The
next
line
item
is
The
Fringe
Benefits,
which
is
basically
the
Social
Security
tax,
neither
of
the
employees
of
the
pension
system
they're
both
part-time
there's,
no
Health
Care,
there's
no
pension
or
any
other
benefits
that
are
afforded
to
them.
Okay.
M
Further
on
down,
we
have
the
supplies.
The
next
item.
We
have
our
membership
dues,
there's
two
groups
that
we
belong
to,
which
is
the
maples,
the
Michigan
Association
of
Public
Employee,
Retirement
Systems
and
the
net
the
end
seepers,
which
is
the
national
group.
We
use
them
for
educational
purposes
and
then
the
the
line
of
you
know
the
big
line
is
the
professional
and
consultant.
Were
you
supplied
with
the
detail
of
that
particular
lineup?
B
M
Hand
out
the
the
backup,
if
you
and
I
can
explain.
Oh.
M
M
If
you
flip
over
to
page
two
it'll
be
the
first
column
and
that
particular
column
totals
the
two
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollars
Okay
and,
like
councilman
Constance,
said
the
top
people
at
the
top
of
this
Madison
investment,
Sylvan
ball
and
Gainer
Loomis
sales,
Reinhardt
and
Brandywine
are
all
our
investment
managers.
They
are
paid
to
invest
our
funds.
For
us,
there
are
fiduciaries
to
the
pension
system,
okay,
and
so
we
pay
them
based
on
the
amount
of
money
that
they
are
investing
for
us.
M
M
That's
that's
what
they
make
for
managing
our
investment
fund,
our
investment.
Well,
that
is
their
Community.
Yes,
most
of
like.
If
you
have
a
mutual
fund,
your
mutual
fund
is
paying
an
expense
yeah.
What
we
do
is
we
pay
it
our
dollar
and
we
they
don't.
They
don't
take
any
money
out
of
the
investment
earnings.
We
pay
the
higher
dollars.
M
We
net
that
out
when
we're
evaluating
their
returns
by
saying
we've
paid
them
this
much
and
we
lower
their
investment
returns
over
what
we've
paid
them.
So
if
we
want
to
further
go
down
that
list,
you'll
see,
there's
a
company
called
Foster
and
Foster,
that's
the
actuary
that
does
our
annual
valuations
and
they
do
gasby
67
68
for
the
Auditors
that
are
included
in
your
annual
financial
statements.
M
Further
down,
you
have
Morgan
Stanley
they're,
the
our
investment
consultant,
who
oversees
our
money,
managers
and
monitors
their
performance
and
help
assist
us
with
giving
the
overall
pension
returns
quarterly
or
he's
at
our
meeting
monthly,
and
he
also
helps
us
find
new
investment
managers.
Should
somebody
be
underperforming?
M
Comerica
Bank
is
our
custodial
Bank.
All
of
our
funds
are
deposited
there.
They
are
not
in
the
control
of
the
city,
treasurer
they're,
in
the
control
of
the
pension
board
at
Comerica
Bank
in
a
trust,
account:
okay,
okay
and
then
I
think
this
was
close
to
councilman
Muscat
vanover
beats
a
law
firm.
Is
the
law
firm
of
the
pension
system?
Okay,
and
that's
that
sixteen
thousand
dollars
budgeted
there?
M
If
you
see
and
then
we
have
fiduciary
liability
insurance
and
then
just
a
miscellaneous
and
that
what
makes
up
the
the
largest
line
item
in
the
general
government
budget,
okay
and
then
obviously,
if
you
look
to
the
right,
you
see
all
of
the
history
going
back
to
2017,
we
can
go
back
to
night,
you
know
1990,
you
know
if
we
wanted,
but
you
know
we
kind
of
limited
it
all
right.
Thank
you,
you're
welcome.
Is
there
any
other
questions
on
the
general
government.
M
What's
the
travel
and
education
for
the
travel
and
education
is
for
our
trustees
to
attend
conferences
by
either
makers
or
ncpers
to
educate,
so
we
have
some
trustees
that
are
elected
by
the
employees
like
we
have
a
gentleman
a
trustee
from
from
the
court.
He
has
no
investment,
you
know
or
Actuarial
background,
and
so
they
go
to
these
educational
seminars
as
a
fiduciary
on
the
pension
system.
M
Our
responsibility
has
kind
of
been
greater
than
the
city
council
in
the
sense
that
we
can
be
sued
personally
for
decisions
that
we
make
if
they
are
not
done
on
a
prudent
basis,
and
so
it's
it's
to
our
best
interest,
to
educate
ourselves
to
make
sure
that
we're
making
proper
decisions
as
it
relates
to
the
pension
system.
We
do
not
have
governmental
immunity
being
trustees
on
the
pension
system,
so
educating
ourselves
is
very
important
factor
of
that,
because
we're
again
managing
the
money,
yeah.
M
M
We
did
request
money,
but
it
was
taken
out
last
year,
but
but
this
year,
but
they
agreed
that
there
would
be
a
budget
amendment
put
forward
to
the
city
council
and
that
our
one
of
our
trustees
will
be
attending
a
Maples
conference
later
in
the
month
of
May
or
in
you.
M
Yeah,
normally
it's
charged
to
the
345
education
system,
but
yes,
all.
M
G
M
That
yeah,
normally
the
conferences
they're
set
up
by
members
like
I,
think
this
one
is
coming
up
is
out
in
Kalamazoo.
They
set
it
up.
It's
at
a
you
know,
Hotel
a
couple.
You
know
100
a
night
at
the
hotel
traveled
out
there
and
then
the
conference
might
be
two
or
three
hundred
dollars.
But
you
know
you.
M
Well,
that's
all
comes
with
the
conference.
Okay,
yeah!
All
right!
Thank
you!
Yes,
so
that
if
you
want,
if
you
want
to
look
at
the
handout
that
malga
handed
out,
the
top
line
item
is
the
pension
administrator.
Again
it's
a
part-time.
So
it's
all.
It's
met.
It's
capped
out
at
28
hours
a
week,
52
weeks
the
rate
is
actually
the
new
hire
is
at
35
an
hour,
but
we
figure
that
after
a
year
there
will
be
a
review.
So
when
we
put
this
in,
we
put
it
at
37
and
a
half
okay.
M
M
So
if
you
add
up
the
re,
the
pension
administrator
and
the
retirement
specialist,
you
would
come
up
with
twenty
three
thousand
and
in
the
general
government
we
have
budgeted
twenty
four
thousand
so
that
you
know
that's
how
that
came
up,
and
so
here
this
would
be,
and
then,
when
I
go
over
next,
the
police
and
fire
it'll
be
at
sixty
thousand.
You
can
see
this
here
came
up
to
50
now
and
878..
So
just
kind
of
round
rounding
up
there.
M
M
Okay,
all
right,
so
basically,
this
is
a
very
small
budget
and
then
I'll
go
into
so
this
is
the
you
see
the
salary
of
sixty
thousand
that
we
just
went
through
this.
The
French
benefits,
which
is
the
Social
Security
or
the
Fike
attacks
for
the
part-time
employee,
and
then
we
have
some
room
for
supplies,
and
so
it
comes
out
to
65
000.
this,
the
city
for
the
pension
system
monitors
the
payroll
for
the
police
and
fire
system.
The
the
pension
system
reimburses
the
city
and
we're
scheduled
to
reimburse
the
city
80
000..
M
It
would
be
the
65
000
that
you
see
on
this
budget,
plus
an
estimated
fifteen
thousand
dollars
for
the
Comptroller's
office
to
handle
the
what
we
call
the
p19s
or
the
payroll
records
that
pension
that's
used
for
the
pension
valuations
or
for
when
somebody
retires
or
something
like
that.
So
then
the
then
this
the
pension
system
reimburses
the
city.
Eighty
eighty
thousand
dollars,
which
is
budgeted.
We
can
look
at
that
next
or
that
is
on.
A
China
and
the
nut
revenues
Appropriations
fund
101,
the
projected
activity
is
at
7
700
000
some
change,
but
then
the
recommended
budget
is
932
000,
it's
addressed
or
drastic
drop.
What's
the
purpose
for
that,
where.
M
M
Although
this
is
the
last
budget
line
item,
so
this
is
I
think
a
composite
of
all
of
your
budgeted
items
and
not
just
the
police
and
fire,
the
police
and
fire
pension
ends
at
the
65
000.
Then
I
think
that
summarizes
some
of
the
total
budget
activity
and
not
as
related
to
our
department
at
all.
Okay,
if
you
see
what
I
mean
so
councilman
our
our
lines
end
at
the
sixty
five
thousand,
then
I
think
the
next
sign
total
Appropriations
is
your
budget
in
whole.
M
E
M
This,
the
after
the
Comptroller,
is
able
to
answer.
A
And
if
you
don't
have
the
answer
right
now,
controller
I
do
not
have
the
answers.
That's
fine,
if
you
don't
mind
just
giving
us
just
give
us
a
general
outline
emailing
it
to
all
of
us.
If
you
don't
mind,
that'd
be
fine.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
M
These
are
is
money
that
is
collected
through
the
levy
to
cover
the
expenditures
of
the
police
and
fire
pension
system,
as
a
budget
approved
by
the
board.
That
budget
is
outlined
in
the
handout
that
I
just
gave
you,
and
if
you
look
at
the
top
in
that
far
left
column.
M
Week,
acts
345
expenditures,
you
said:
do
you
see
that
it's
on
page
8
of
58
right
in
101,
200,
722.00,
I,
see
Zero
and
that's
is
722
634?
Do
you
see
that
councilman
okay
now
go
to
the
handout
that
was
just
passed
out
here
and
if
you
go
to
that
first
far,
left
column.
M
You
see
the
720
to
634,
okay,
the
top
is
professional,
consultant
peas,
we'll
come
back
to
that.
It's
detailed
lower
down
on
the
spreadsheet.
You
see
that
you
see
the
eight
eighty
thousand
commission
that's
reimbursed
to
the
city
for
taking
care
of
the
employee.
The
employees
of
the
pension
system.
M
And
then,
and
then
there
is
travel
and
education,
it's
budget
at
10,
000
dues
in
membership
at
500,
000
in
the
office
size
of
400,
and
then
the
breakdown
of
the
professional
consultant
is
further
down
the
page
on
that
on
the
handout
that
you
received
and
again
it's
the
the
majority
of
that
is
our
investment
Consultants.
M
This
particular
fund
is
around
175
million
now
and
so
the
amount
that
we
pay
for
professional
Consultants
is
higher
than
it
is
under
the
general
system,
because
the
general
system
is
in
the
38
37
38
million
dollar
range,
and
so
that's
the
reason
why
the
professional
consultant
under
the
police
and
fire
is
greater
than
the
general
government,
and
so
we
can
go.
You
know
we
have
in
on
the
in
the
middle
page
of
this.
Here
it
is
our
investment
managers.
M
Comerica
Bank
is
the
custodial
Bank
they're
at
34
000.,
you
see
Gabriel
Rhoda,
Smith
they're,
the
actuary,
who
does
the
annual
valuation
calculating
the
City's
contribution
for
the
pension,
along
with
the
retirees
retirement
benefit,
because
the
the
gas
be
Loomis
sales
and
investment
manager.
Morgan
Stanley
is
our
consultant.
M
D
D
D
Sir,
you
mentioned
the
80
000,
that's
paid
to
the
city
and
you
said
for
handling
the
employees.
What
does.
M
That
mean
well
well,
the
pension
system
doesn't
have
a
payroll
department,
and
so
the
city,
you
know,
has
a
payroll
department,
so
they're
they're
handling
the
payroll
for
our
two
employees
and
for
doing
that,
we're
the
city
doesn't
pay
for
the
employees
they
get
reimbursed
from
the
pension
system
for
that,
but
so
they're
paying
the
employees
from
through
the
payroll
department
through
the
city
check,
but
then
we're
reimbursing
them
the
six.
You
know
that
65
plus
15
to
do
the
b19s.
G
D
And,
and
do
you
have
a
calculation
on
on,
you
know
the
the
amount
of
fees
we
pay,
the
you
know
the
the
63
631
000
compared
to
the
money
we
make
earned.
M
Well,
yeah,
like
I
said
we
we
review
our
investment
managers,
returns
net
of
the
fees,
and
so
what
we're
doing
is
we're
looking
at
them,
as
opposed
to
the
type
of
investment
that
they're
managing
and
netting
out
the
fees
from
their
investment
returns
like
you
would
see
in
a
mutual
fund,
it's
netted
out
the
fees
that
you
pay
and
we're
comparing
them
with
benchmarks,
and
so
you
know
so
what
we
want
to
do
is
make
sure
that
the
managers
are
meeting
the
necessary
benchmarks
or
exceeding
them.
M
You
know,
and
if
they
don't,
then
we
we
start
looking
for
new
Consultants,
that's
my
next
question
does.
A
M
A
I
know
they're
diversifying,
but
at
the
same
time
well
it
seems
to
be
much
easier
man
much
much
more
manageable.
If
you
had
much
less
yeah
well,.
M
We
we
believe
that
the
diversification
and
then
you
have
specialtists
in
each
of
those
areas
rather
than
you
know,
one
person
who's
trying
to
do.
All
of
that.
You
know
we
want
to
specialize
in
those
particular
areas.
You
know
somebody
who's
doing
real
estate
only
does
Real
Estate,
it's
not
thinking
about
International,
equities
or
International
debt,
and
so
we
hire
specific
managers
that
have
expertise
in
that
area.
Okay,.
G
A
M
C
You
what
is
going
on
here,
what
you're
looking
at
is
your
actual
total
expenses
for
the
year
for
the
budget,
so.
N
C
C
C
A
You
next
up
is
mayor's
office
and
we
have
Chief
of
Staff
Ariana
Hernandez
and
the
mayor's
office
is
on
page
six.
K
K
Was
already
always
voted
on
a
two-year
basis,
so
again,
everyone
is
due
for
a
salary
increase
this
December
other
than
that
our
numbers
are
pretty
consistent,
which,
with
what
we've
had
in
the
past.
A
I
had
a
question
in
regards
to
the
part-time
part-time
dropped.
Quite
a
bit
and
I
assumes
would
that
be
the
front
desk
person
no.
K
A
K
A
K
But
typically,
that's
filled
out
by
a
part-time
position.
It's
one
of
those
20
hours
or
28
tops
per
year,
and
they
are
a
secretarial
15,
an
hour
assistant
that
typically
helps
us
with
event
planning
marketing
answering
calls
for
residents.
We
are
planning
on
hiring
one
right
now,
because
it
picks
up
on
events
on
various
activities
that
we
do
in
the
summer.
So
we're
going
to
need
the
extra
help
coming
up.
K
G
J
G
J
K
Oh
HR
left
so,
but.
E
K
Activities,
that
is,
if
the
mayor
ever
chooses
to
do
an
event
for
the
entire
Community
or
the
city
decides
to
do
an
event
for
the
entire
Community
that
require
any
type
of
supplies.
For
example,
I
know:
in
the
past,
we've
had
some
water
filters
giveaway
days
that
the
county
would
provide
for
us,
whatever
marketing
materials,
Staffing
Etc,
that
we
would
need
for
that.
That's
what
that
salary
is
there,
for.
We
never
know
what
we're
going
to
need.
We
never
know
what
emergencies
are
coming,
so
we're
just
keeping
it
there
just
in
case.
H
B
You
one
question
Council
chair,
thank
you
Mariana!
So
much
for
being
here,
my
question
is
going
to
be
that
I'm
going
to
ask
every
Department
ahead.
I
know.
Last
year
you
gave
me
the
breakdown
with
Mr
saputa,
a
very
employee
and
what
their
pay
was.
It
shouldn't
have
changed
from
last
year
because
nothing
has
been
approved,
so
bless
you.
So
can
you
send
us
the
same
thing
that
you
sent
us
last
year
and
if
there
are
any
adjustments,
adjustables
incentives,
so
that
we
know
what
was
adjusted
from
last
year
so.
B
Okay,
so
like
are
the
five
percent
salary
increase
on
this
here
as
well:
okay,.
A
Okay,
any
other
questions
all
right.
Next
up
is
city
council,
page
four.
A
So
I
I
guess
the
controller
you
want
me
to
present
there
or
just
in
general.
In
general,
we
went
through
the
budget
in
regards
to
city
council
and
spoke
with
the
Comptroller
and
then
assessed
it.
One
line
by
line
there
was
nothing
that
I
felt
was
absolutely
needed
as
far
as
giving
any
type
of
increase
on
the
City
Council
budget,
but
I'll
leave
that
up
to
you
guys
from
this
particular
point
to
go.
G
G
I
mean
I,
I
can't
keep
up
with
it
and
I
pay
for
that
out
of
my
direct
pocket
and
that's
the
way
I
communicate
with
the
residents
and
City
Hall
and
I
would
think
that
city
council
should
have
cell
phones
also
with
paid
for,
because
that's
an
expense
I
can't
even
deduct
that
off
of
my
income,
tax
I
can't
deduct
anything
from
my
home
on
my
income
tax
for
computer
supplies
or
anything
like
that
associated
with
my
job,
and
so
cell
phones
is
a
big
thing
and
that
and
we
need
and
I
don't
know
if
it
was
already
purchased.
G
C
G
A
I
I
mean
it's
up
to
you,
I'm,
just
throwing
it
out
there.
One
of
the
things
that
you
can
do
is
just
use
a
different
phone
number
on
your
phone.
This
way,
you'll
know
if
it's
City
related
or.
G
A
B
Not
going
to
steal
this
thunder
I'm
gonna,
let
them
go
ahead
because
well,
okay,
I'm,
just
gonna
Echo,
a
few
things
as
Council
Pro
tem
must
get
stated.
I
know
that
you
know
when
we
last
spoke
with
our
I.T
director.
He
said
that
he
had
purchased
those
so
I,
don't
know
if
that
went
to
the
I.T
budget
or
not,
but
I
would
also
like
to
see
some
type
of
increase
here
on
this.
First,
when
it
comes
to
supplies,
yeah
and
stationary
things,
you
know,
I
would
like
to
see.
B
I
know
I'm
just
looking
at
other
municipalities.
They
have
anywhere
between
3
500
to
4
000
per
council
member,
not
saying
we're
gonna
spend
it,
but
you
know
it
should
be
nice
to
have
it
and
not
just
have
500
for
the
entire
year.
E
G
Know
Council
chair
that
anytime
I
needed
something
I'd
go
to
the
clerk's
office
and
she's
been
more
than
willing
to
give
me
a.
We
call
these
yellow
dogs
stations,
legal.
B
G
G
Than
happy
to
get
those
and
as
far
as
stationary
goes
I
think
when
I
first
got
elected,
we've
got.
We
got
a
bunch
of
paper
with
our
names
on
them
yeah
they
still
do
so.
I,
don't
know
if
you
guys
got.
A
Those
I
I
got
a
box
okay.
So
maybe
that's.
Why,
then
that's
something
the
clerk's
office
can
help,
arrange
you.
Let's
look
at
the
full
box
with
your
name,
letterhead.
G
G
J
A
No
there's
still,
it
was
like
35
No.
A
And
if
you
recall
on
that
one,
without
getting
into
yeah
putting
up
a
can
of
worms
as
nice
as
possible
for
that
better
words,
it
wasn't
needed.
Yeah
I
I
voted
against
it
at
the
time.
A
B
And
just
for
first,
you
know
and
I
I
swear
to
you:
I
I
love
Roger,
he's
such
an
awesome
individual
me
personally.
If
there's
something
going
in
front
of
council
regarding
an
ordinance,
I
feel
comfortable
going
in
front
of
Roger.
But
if
something
needs
to
go
amongst
his
body,
which
I
hope
we
never
have
to
forsake,
that
I
would
not
feel
comfortable
going
in
front
of
Roger.
A
So
at
that
point,
that's
exactly
what
I
shouldn't
say
why
I'm
trying
to
avoid
the
history
yeah
they
there
was
it
was
voted
on.
I
was
against
it.
Both
voted
on
bring
Corporation
Council
for
the
city
council
only
and
how
much
was
used.
I
think
if
anything
I
don't
know,
we'd
have
to
look
it
up.
Maybe
a
couple
hundred
bucks.
It
was
not
used
so
I'm
just
telling
you
it's
not
as
needed.
You
might
think
it
is,
but
if
you
guys
vote
on
this,
it's
up
to
you
guys
so.
B
D
A
A
B
Days
out
of
the
year,
yeah
I
swear
to
God
for
ten
thousand
dollars.
A
Ahead
good
afternoon,
for
those
are
not
familiar:
that's
Corporation,
Council,
Roger,
Ferrigno,.
N
I,
think
our
budget
is
well
self-explanatory.
I
would
add.
We
have
since
I've
been
seven
months.
I've
had
a
chance
to
look
at
more
proactive
programs
to
really
maximize
some
of
the
talents.
We
have
that's
what
we're
phasing
into
Gary
and
I
sat
down
today,
and
we
would
like
to
use
our
Young
attorney
to
do
some
of
the
work
that
he's
doing
because
I
think.
That's
that's
something
that,
and
he
said
in
himself
he
said
look.
This
is
something
we
can
train
a
young
lawyer
to
do
get.
N
We
talked
about,
and
I
mentioned,
I
researched,
even,
for
instance,
setting
up
a
Civic
foundation
for
the
city,
where
we
can
have
sort
of
like
what
Royal
Oak
just
passed,
where
we
can
have
philanthropic
money
and
fundraising
for
our
different
commissions,
put
together
and
be
used
to
help
different
projects
within
the
city
for
safety,
cultural
opportunities,
inspiring
philanthropic
philanthropy
from
our
residents
and
he
loved
it.
I
think.
N
That's
something
that
we
can
use
a
talent
that
that
Gary
brings
that
area
him
and
I
also
talked
about
putting
together,
What's
called
the
infrastructure,
trust
which
would
the
legal
lawyers
have
put
together,
but
it
would
work
on
focusing
private
and
public
fundraising
for
infrastructure
projects
such
as
our
Waters,
our
sewers,
even
e-course
Creek,
it
would
take
using
did
addressing
a
deteriorating
public
infrastructure
using
recapitalization
Rehabilitation.
N
It's
a
talent,
Gary
has
and
I,
like
the
corporate
background
that
he
brings,
but
working
together,
I
think
we
can
move
forward
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
I
think
the
paralegal
comes
up
is
because
we
have
visions
of
not
just
and
I
want
to
be
clear,
not
taking
money
from
the
city
to
pay
legal
fees,
our
legal
fees,
but
really
how
we
can
multiply
it
and
apply
it
to
really
build
proper
legal
foundations
for
the
city
to
help
our
residents
and
that's
my
focus.
It's
aggressive
I
put
in
in
this
budget.
N
You
have
juvenile
court.
We
ran
the
little
well
problem
with
it.
Only
because
we
have
a
lot
of
our
schools
are
outside
or
our
students
go
outside
the
city.
We
have
three
schools
in
Inkster
we
have
schools
D7
with
Westland
a
lot
of
different
cities,
it's
hard
for
juvenile
District
Court
to
handle
that
so,
however,
I
did
put
together
a
team
Court
program
which
would
allow
each
school
to
handle
the
discipline
issues
with
more
with
a
court,
a
judge,
a
prosecutor,
defense
attorney
and
get
remedies
right
away
to
the
students.
N
We
looked
at
an
expungement
day
because
watching
the
system
and
how
many
cases
people
Miss
coming
to
court,
we
have
files
filing
people
are
afraid,
they're
afraid
either
getting
arrested.
They're
afraid
of
you
know,
maybe
not
handling
the
cost,
but
the
judges
are
very,
very
one
of
the
best
judges
in
this
in
the
in
the
state
of
Michigan
or
in
Dearborn
Heights,
two
judges
and
they
really
want
to
get
people
look
come
in
and
take
care
of.
Your
your
your
debt.
Take
care
of
your
case,
get
back
out.
N
A
Roger,
when
you
talk
about
an
expungement
day
in
Amnesty
Day,
first
of
all,
I'm
definitely
a
proponent
of
people.
If,
if
you
do
the
the
crime,
you
will
do
the
time,
I
get
that,
but
at
the
same
time
I
I,
don't
believe
in
people
being
punished
for
the
rest
of
their
lives.
Obviously,
especially
if
it's
some
of
a
minor
offense,
but
with
that
being
the
case,
so
I
I
like
the
idea.
A
A
J
A
But
the
second
question:
I
had
a
juvenile
court
which,
which
I
think
is
really
a
great
idea
because
it
especially
some
of
our
younger
generation
when
they,
you
know,
make
bad
decisions
again,
you
don't
want
to
ruin
the
rest
of
their
lives.
You
want
to
make
sure
they
go
in
the
right
direction,
but
the
question
for
you
is:
what
about
veterans
core
I
know.
There
is
one
something
near
here,
but
is
there
any
consideration
for
that
and
what's
your
opinion.
N
D
Yeah,
when
you
say
Juvenile
Court
you
plan
on,
are
we
hiring
another
person,
and
you
mentioned
the
name:
Gary
who's,
who's,
Gary,.
N
D
When
you
say
juvenile
court,
yes,
what
do
you?
What
do
you
mean
what's
going
to
be?
Are
they
going
to
represent
the
city
and
juvenile
court?
They
can
represent
the
the
juvenile.
N
Court,
like
the
one
in
Dearborn,
and
we
looked
at
some
others-
we
studied
it.
It
allows
the
individual
to
come
in
to
the
courtroom
with
his
parents
and
we
would
have
them
go
before
City
Corporation,
Council
or
city
City
attorney
and
the
charges
would
be
discussed
if
they
have
a
chance
to
sort
of
like
do
a
diversion
type
program
now,
they'd
have
to
go.
We
don't
want
a
long-term
probation
period.
We
want
a
short
term,
but
we
want
to
get
resources
available
to
them.
N
Like
growth
works
that
I've
met
with
and
some
other
organizations
that
would
work
on,
rehabilitating
turning
it
around
not
giving
that
record,
but
addressing
the
family
and
the
actions
of
the
individual.
We
have
school
officers.
Support
offices
really
stressed
out
in
our
schools
and
I've
talked
with
the
superintendents
from
D7
Crestwood
throughout
yeah
Westwood,
and
it's
really
needed
the
problem
we
ran
into
and
I've
talked
to,
one
of
our
court
administrators
former
judge
peruke
about
how
we
can
legally
handle
those
residents
from
outside
our
area.
N
D
N
D
I
mean
a
juvenile
commits,
an
offense
in
the
city
of
Dearborn
Heights,
regardless,
where
they're
from
they
come.
They
come
to
court
with
their
parents
in
in
our
court
right,
okay,
so
what's
our
doesn't
have
what
doesn't
that?
What
our
magistrate
does
is
make
makes
deals
with
them
and
tries
to
be
lenient
with
them
if
it's
necessary,
no.
N
N
You
know
you
know:
traffic
suspended
driver's,
license
assault,
assault
and
battery
CSE
cases
we
want
to
handle
it
here
to
see
us
see
some
of
the.
N
H
D
N
If
we
contract
out
certain
services,
like
certain
labor
issues
that
we've
had
disputes,
which
former
officers
suing
the
city,
there
was
a
specific
contractual
company
law
firms
that
we
use.
That's
an
example.
N
H
A
And
I
presume
that
five,
six
four
two
under
legal
fees,
Council,
that's
the
one
that
we
had
at
one
particular
point
for.
If
you
want
to
our
own
our
own
Corporation
attorney,
which
one
was
that
five,
six
four
two
826.101
on
the
bottom
left
yeah
a.
B
G
N
D
H
D
Other
questions
for
Corporation
Council,
like
we
just
asked
line
one
it's,
the
the
22-23
budget,
is
115
000.
for
next
year's
budget.
It's
176.
A
D
C
C
J
Council
chair
quickly,
these
programs,
like
the
juvenile
program,
are
great
benefit
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why,
especially
as
I
when
I
worked
in
Dearborn
there's
a
big
difference,
if
they
send
especially,
let's
say
a
young
person
who's,
a
member
of
the
yemeni
community
down
a
juvenile
court,
I
did
the
prosecutions
the
the
families
would
often
bring
in
a
child
to
do
the
Translating
and
I've
been
practicing
32
years,
the
the
juvenile
court,
the
Wayne
County
Juvenile,
Court,
the
youth
home,
terribly
underfunded,
terribly
underfunded.
You
go
into
the
facility.
J
J
Bone
disease
and
the
the
children
didn't
want
to
come
over.
Geno,
polidori
and
I
were
very
involved.
Thank
you.
So
it's
it's
a
great
benefit
and
also
young
man
is
kicked
out
of
school,
for
whatever
reason
he's,
you
know
he's
a
big
kid
or
he's
and
he
misses
so
much
school,
and
then
you
know
the
next
penalty
as
well.
He
gets
suspended
more.
J
N
All
right
worked
five
years
at
the
AG's
office
with
child
in
need
of
services
and
children
in
the
system,
so
I
have
a
heart
for
that
program.
I
agree
with
you.
Thank
you.
Councilor.
D
The
next
one
quick
question:
you
know:
I've
spent
the
last
five
years,
downtown
juvenile
court
and
it's
not
a
nice
place.
Five
years,
I've
been
going
there
twice
a
month.
C
D
Of
order
taking
taking
these
cases
and
bringing
them
to
the
Dearborn
Heights
is
that
would
we
potentially
gets
extra
fees
involved
more
profit.
N
You
know
we'd
have
to
work
a
deal
with
the
third
circuit,
but
I'd
like
to
see
that
because
then
we
could
put
it
towards
more
diversion
programs
and
other
other
agencies
that
exist
now
that
can
really
use
program
to
help
the
families
with
the
kids.
It's
really
that's
an
area
that
we
can't
leave
out.
Okay,.
A
Let's
go:
oh
I'm.
Sorry!
Thank
you.
Let's
go
with
the
Comptroller's
office.
Next
Miss
King
go
ahead,
page
14.
C
Yes,
I
did
thank
you.
This
is
your
salaries
that
is
including
the
new
accountant
and
I
also
had
added
an
accounting
clerk
to
this,
which
would
be
at
forty
five
thousand
again
that
is
recommended.
I
do
not
have
to
have
that,
and
I
had
added
again
another
five
percent
increase
for
my
employees.
Again
as
a
placeholder,
we
don't
have
negotiations,
we
do
have
negotiations
with
TPO
am
they
will
be
coming
up
in
June
and
I
just
wanted
to
put
something
there
as
a
placeholder.
C
Moving
on
to,
let's
see
over
time,
I
have
a
thousand
dollars
which
is
right
about
what
I
just
for
placeholder
for
overtime,
because
there
is
days
where
we
do
have.
We
offer
overtime
to
the
employees
when,
when
needed,.
G
C
C
Hospital
Insurance,
that's
standard,
your
life
insurance,
your
general
government
pension,
because
I
took
that
out
of
the
fringe
benefits
so
now,
fringe
benefits
would
just
be
FICO
supplies
1500,
that's
just
standard
dues
and
membership
fees.
We
had
a
thousand
dollars.
I.
Think
here
is
just
a
placeholder
of
500
I
believe
do
some
membership
fees
is
more
for
the
union.
C
Employees
I'm,
not
100,
sure
of
that
professional
contracted
Services
is
where
we
really
jumped,
because
everything
was
in
the
general
fund
last
year
and
I'm
moving
it
over
to
the
Comptroller
Department,
which
is
where
it
should
be,
because
a
lot
of
the
contract
services
that
we
have
been
using
in
the
past
is
for
plant
Moran,
as
well
as
anything
that
has
to
do
with
the
finance
department.
So
we
did
kind
of
want
to
be
put
a
placeholder
there
for
future
reference.
C
C
C
B
C
And
that's
why
I
put
the
extra
310
000
there
so
we're
definitely
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
I!
Don't
my
plan!
My
goal
is
to
really
start
eliminating
them
over
the
next
six
to
nine
months,
once
I
can
get
a
deputy
in
there
and
I
have
my
accountant
here.
Who's
actually
just
been
on
the
ground
running
right
from
the
beginning.
I
can't
speak
well
enough
for
him.
There's
a
lot
of
things
that
need
to
be
changed
in
that
office
and
I.
C
E
C
B
B
And
I
just
want
you
to
know
you're
doing
a
great
job.
Thank
you
so
much,
but
when
we
first
brought
on
plant
Moran
group-
and
we
were
at
Riverside
at
the
time
when
we
voted
on
this-
it
was
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
the
year
and
they
expect
it
to
be
with
us,
and
you
know,
for
six
to
nine
months
and
any
overage
would
become.
It
was
six
to
nine
months
here,
we're
going
on
almost
two
years
and.
C
I
can
only
say
that
you've
had
a
revolving
door
for
your
comptroller
and
I've,
been
here.
Nine
months
and
I
have
not
had
a
deputy
for
a
very
short
time.
I
had
a
deputy
and
I
just
got
an
accountant,
so
unfortunately,
things
take
time
and
I
can
I
can
foresee
the
future
within
the
next
six
to
nine
months.
I
will
not
be
utilizing.
O
O
Into
it,
sorry
I
thought
I
was
so
I
came
in
March
20th,
so
it's
only
been
two
weeks.
India
and
I
have
already
discussed
multiple
different
processing
procedures
that
will
greatly
make
the
controller
Department
very
efficient
right
now,
I've
already
estimated
that
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
administrative
costs
could
be
cut
out
in
terms
of
like
actual
processing
procedures
that
are
in
place
right
now,
so,
for
instance,
a
process
that
would
take
10
hours.
O
O
B
C
Wow
so
yes,
we
do
have
a
lot
of
work
ahead
of
us
and
we
are
trying
very
hard
to
get
some
processes
and
procedures
in
place.
They
will
be
coming
to
the
board,
probably
within
the
next
well,
because
the
budget
is
going
to
take
a
little
bit
longer,
but
we
do
want
to
get
some
process
in
place
in
front
of
you
for
approval.
C
D
E
A
I'm
just
going
to
ask
questions
so
control.
Let's
talk
about
the
Elephant
Room.
Let
me
be
the
black
cloud
be
a
little
bit
on
the
negative
end
this
time,
so
the
concern
that
I've
got
as
a
council
member.
Is
it
and
it's
not
all
your
fault
just
to
make
it
clear,
and
it's
not
your
fault,
so
I
don't
want
to
think
I.
Don't
want
you
to
think
I'm
going
that
direction,
but
I've
had
concerns
about
the
Comptroller's
office.
A
Just
like
we
originally
had
concerns
about
the
assessor's
office,
and
that
was
worked
out
when
we
had
a
you
know.
We
subcontracted
it
out,
probably
about
I.
Think
was
it
six
years
ago,
yeah
right
six
years
ago,
previous
to
that
it
was
like
every
other
month.
We
had
a
different
assessor
in
there
we
kind
of
contracted
it
out
and,
as
I
just
spoke
with
them
earlier
today,
I
hear
almost
no
complaints
other
than
my
taxes
are
too
high.
But
beyond
that
I
hear
almost
no
complaints
and
things
are
going
smooth.
A
Now,
I,
look
at
the
controller's
office
and
and
I'm
I'm
trying
to
understand
is
this
a
process.
That's
wrong.
Is
there
some
inside
and
I'm
going
to
be
blunt
inside
issues
and
I've
had
some
calls
about?
You
know
in
some
of
it
I
know
it's
probably
gossip.
Some
of
it
might
be
true.
Some
of
it
might
be
made
up.
A
Who
knows
but
I've
had
some
contacts
from
from
different
people
from
within
that
particular
office,
and
the
concern
that
I've
got
is
we've
had
four
and
it
might
be
also
an
HR
situation
too,
obviously
not
used
specifically,
but
we've
had
four
controllers
in
the
last
I
think,
maybe
two
years,
maybe
three
we've
added
you
know
a
plant
Moran
Gap
at
I
think
it
was
about
six
hundred
thousand,
if
I'm
not
mistaken.
Last
year,
585
or
some
somewhere
around
there,
we've
hired
an
additional
young
gentleman
here
as
an
accountant
at
57
000..
A
We
have
projected
increase
or
or
ask
I
should
say
for
the
deputy
controller
from
67
000
to
now
80
000.
If
the
number
is
correct
to
80.
yes,
yes,
then
we
have
I,
know
it's
awkward,
but
we
have
to
address
it.
You
know
yourself
and
I
know
you're
doing
a
great
job
so
far,
but
you're
also,
obviously
without
negotiating
salary.
Obviously,
but
it's
a
pretty
good
amount.
You
know
without
going
over
the
numbers,
but
it's
pretty
good
amount.
A
So
I'm
going
to
look
at
you
know
from
a
council
members
project,
one
second,
from
a
council
member's
perspective,
we
have
a
lot
of
additional
audition
out
Edition
out
the
Chanel
and
lots
of
turnover
and
some
some
issues
in
there.
C
Yes,
I
agree
with
you
and
I
I
can
only
say
that
I
truly
believe
that
the
process
itself
is
broken
and
we
really
need
to
work
on
the
process.
I
have
been
working
with
the
treasures,
Department
I
sat
down
with
her
again
today
and
we
actually
worked
out
in
a
clean
process
that
we
know
that
we
can
work
toward,
and
one
of
the
main
reasons,
obviously
is
the
writing
of
checks.
We
need
to
get
away
from
that
and
start
doing
ACH
payments,
and
that
would
eliminate
a
lot
of
this.
C
We
also
need
to
to
streamline
the
process
so
that
when
the
paperwork
or
the
funds
are
being
transferred,
we
talked
about
this
with
the
other
bank
accounts.
We
need
to
close
a
lot
of
those
bank
accounts
so
that
we
can
start
transferring
the
funds
and
it
would
be
a
lot
cleaner
process
and
we
can
follow
it.
A
lot
easier.
C
I,
don't
think
that
you're
going
to
save
money
by
trying
to
Outsource
all
this,
because
your
finance
department
really
needs
to
stay
in-house
you're
not
going
to
get
your
reports
out
that
you
need
you're
not
going
to
know
where
your
money
is
going.
If
you
keep
Outsourcing
everything
I
think
sometimes
people
think
that's.
The
right
answer
is
to
Outsource
things.
I
personally,
don't
see
that
because
you
don't
have
a
handle
on
what
is
actually
going
in
and
out,
especially
when
it
comes
to
finance
I
I
do
have
a
plan.
C
I
do
have
a
three-year
plan
in
my
head,
I
I
would
say
within
the
next
six
months,
you're
definitely
going
to
see
start
seeing
Improvement
and
you
can
start
seeing
things
moving
in
the
right
direction.
I
have
had
a
lot
of
turnover
in
the
finance
department,
as
well
as
the
water
department,
because
we,
since
I've,
been
here
I,
haven't
had
a
full
staff.
C
C
Does
it
have
anything
to
do
reflect
on
me
that
they're
leaving
personally
I
think
it's
because
of
change
people
don't
like
change,
they
want
to
do
what
they're
doing
they
want
to
do
it
their
way,
and
they
don't
want
to
change
it
and
that's
why
I
brought
in
an
accountant
to
do
the
accounts
payable,
because
I
know
that
it
has
to
be
changed.
We
have
to
modify
it.
C
We
need
to
change
instead
of
writing
checks
and
going
into
different
departments,
and
all
these
different
bank
accounts
we're
going
to
go
into
one
pool
accounting,
one
specific
bank
account
and
then
they're
all
going
to
be
ACH
channeled,
which
isn't
going
to
take
four
days
to
do
so.
I
can
have
him
start
doing
other
stuff.
That's
within
my
finance
department.
One
is
our
procurement.
Have
we've
been
hit
on
procurement
every
single
year
for
I?
C
Don't
know
how
many
years
now
that
needs
to
be
addressed,
and
that's
something
that
we
need
that
we
really
need
to
start
looking
at.
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
need
Improvement
that
need
to
be
fixed
and
that's
why
I
feel
that
I've
been
brought
in
here
I.
Don't
think
that
I
think
that
a
lot
of
people
are
probably
getting
up
upset
because
they
don't
think
I'm
moving
fast
enough
and
that's
understandable
I
can
I
can
understand
that.
However,
there
isn't
anything
that
is
everything
I
touch
needs
to
be
fixed
in
some
way
and.
O
One
more
thing,
so
the
current
accounts
payable
process
when
I
first
came
in
and
trained.
It
took
four
days
to
complete
I
believe
that
accounts
payable
process
with
the
processes
and
procedures
that
Cindy
and
I
have
discussed,
and
we
will
bring
it
before
Council.
E
O
I
can
pretty
much
do
what
plant
Moran
does.
The
problem
is
that,
right
now
we
have
to
clean
the
system
before
we
tell
planner
and
we
don't
need
you
anymore.
Also,
the
the
Comptroller
Department,
the
problem
I've
seen
is
that
employees
are
specialized.
Oh
I'm,
An
accounts
payable,
I,
don't
know
what
procurement
is.
Oh
I'm,
a
journal
entry,
that's
accounts
payable
accounting
is
a
function
as
a
whole
and
we
need
to
hire
people
in
the
department
that
are
knowledgeable
in
all
areas
of
accounting
and
not
just
data
entry.
That's
my
job.
O
I
put
40
hours
in
I,
go
home.
I
agree.
We
need
people,
okay,
I'm
gonna
I
do
accounts
payable,
but
you
need
help
I'm
helping
you.
We
need
to
make
this
box
more
efficient
and
I.
Believe
I
do
believe.
The
amount
of
people
in
the
Comptroller
Department
are
too
many.
We
have
too
many
people.
However,
the
only
way
we
can
make
make
it
more
efficient
is
by
hiring
cross-functional
employees
that
are
experienced
and
actually
have
accounting
degrees
and
not
data
entry
people.
That's
what
I
have
to
say.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
Council
chair,
councilman,
one
Soul,
first
and
councilman.
Thank
you.
D
I
hope,
maybe
before
our
next
study
session
on
this
or
hearings,
we
can
get
the
breakdown
of
the
salaries
because
I'm
looking
I'm
just
looking
at
your
department
and
yours
is
381
000.
How
many
employees
is
that.
D
I
mean
yeah
it'd,
be
nice
to
have
the
breakdown
of
your
salary,
and
this
gentleman's
salary
and
everybody's
salary
I
mean
they
didn't
see
how
much
you're
going
to
increase
it
now
I
know
in
your
department,
as
well
as
HR
department,
they've
eliminated
or
the
union
positions
have
been
vacated
and
not
being
filled
back
in
with
Union
employees,
and
this
Administration
says
seems
to
have
to
have
a
net
for
doing
that,
eliminating
union
jobs
and
not
replacing
them
with
union
jobs.
I
know
I
can
speak
in
several
right
now.
D
Is
there
a
reason
why
we're
not
doing
that?
We're.
C
Data
entry
they're
there
from
eight
to
five
Monday
through
Thursday
to
just
do.
Data
entry
and
like
I
had
stated
earlier,
Max
was
gone,
was
on
all
weekend
working
on
something
that
came
up
at
the
last
minute
and
we
had
to
do
this
PowerPoint
presentation,
that's
not
something
that
I
could
have
asked
my
union
employees
to
do
so.
That's
the
difference
between
having
accounting
employees
that
understand
accounting
and
that
I
pay
them
for
a
I.
E
C
Even
want
to
say
a
job,
I
guess
it's!
You
know
it
encumbers
the
whole
department,
I
I.
You
need
to
be
able
to
do
procurement
at
payroll.
He's
going
to
be
my
backup
for
payroll
as
well.
I
mean
this
right.
Now,
it's
it's
decided
to
segregated
by
positions.
You
do
just
this
and
you
do
just
that
and
that's
why
I
really
believe
that
the
system
is
broken.
Okay,.
D
Well,
that's
that's
fine
I
mean
we
need.
We
need
to
have
everything
fixed,
but
you
know
be
new
here.
You
got
to
realize.
Every
Department
in
our
city
needs
upgraded
staff,
okay,
so
and
we
can't
upgrade
everyone
in
one
year,
so
you
got
to
realize
this.
Is
this?
Is
a
step-by-step?
Like
the
our
HR
Director
said,
you
can't
go
from
zero
to
60.?
Okay,
so
you
gotta
start.
So
if
you
don't
get
what
you
want
this
first
year,
don't
you
know
we'll
get
to
it
like
we?
D
We
need
today,
I've
seen
the
street
sweepers
out,
I
mean
well,
we've
seen
all
the
people
out
there
waving
to
the
street
sweepers
it'd
be
cool
to
have
guys
that
dial
they
did
was
clean
streets,
but
you
know
we
can't
do
that.
We
gotta,
you
know
we've
budgeted
wisely,
so
we
can't
fix
one
Department
entirely
in
in
one
budget.
It's
not
fair.
So.
O
I
completely
work
that
a
little
bit
at
a
time
I'm,
just
letting
you
know
I'm
here
for
a
long
time,
not
a
good
time.
So
my
previous
employment
I
just
want
to
let
you
guys
know.
I
spent
three
years
with
somebody
I
tried
fixing
the
processes.
I've
tried,
fixing
the
procedures
it
went
nowhere,
so
I
resigned,
I
I
came
into
this
job.
In
the
interview,
Cindy
told
me,
things
are
going
to
be
difficult.
Things
are
going
to
be
hard
I'm.
O
Somebody
that
likes
fixing
things
I
fix
problems,
that's
what
I
specialize
in
I
make
things
more
efficient
and
I'm,
not
here,
thinking
that
this
can
be
done
in
one
month
two
month,
three
months,
my
main
focus
at
the
beginning
is
to
try
getting
everything
out
of
plant
Moran's
hands,
because
the
last
thing
you
want
to
do
is
pay
an
accounting
firm
that
hourly
rate
your
paying
them.
When
you
can
literally
have
five
employee
accounting
employees
for
the
exact
same
rate.
O
So
you
can
have
five
full-time
accountants
for
the
same
rate
that
you're
paying
time
around
agree.
Now.
The
problem
with
doing
that
is
that
if
you're
hiring
five
full-time
accountants,
those
are
full-time
employees
and
you
have
to
give
them
all
the
benefits.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
get
everything
efficient,
bring
everything
in-house
I'll
take
most
of
the
what
plant
Moran
would
do
and
then,
hopefully,
within
the
next
year
or
two
we'll
have
one,
maybe
one
more
accountant
or
somebody
that
has
accounting
experience-
that
will
help
Department
complete
all
tests
internally,
okay,.
I
G
A
question
here,
but
more
of
a
comment
that
I've
seen
throughout
my
years
of
being
here
other
than
Mr
Constance
I,
don't
know
if
anybody
has
been
here
longer
than
I
have
coming
to
meetings
and
and
a
complete
over
over
overview
of
everything.
But
everything's
been
broken
for
many
many
many
years.
G
We've
done
the
same
thing
over
and
over
and
over
again,
and
if
you
go
and
look
at
our
past
plant,
Moran
audits,
they
tell
you
that
and
no
one
has
ever
paid
attention
to
it,
and
you
know
that's
how
you
get
in
trouble,
no
different
than
how
Sears
got
in
trouble
and
Kmart
got
in
trouble.
G
All
the
big
companies
that
could
ever
believe
Sears
went
out
of
business,
but
they
kept
doing
the
same
thing
made
the
same
mistakes
over
and
over
again,
without
even
trying
to
fix
it
so
I'm
all
in
favor
for
fixing
this
thing
and
going
forward
and
we
may
have
to
she
or
both
of
them
may
have
to
change
as
they
go
along,
say:
oh
yeah!
This
is
not
working.
Let's
go
this
route
instead
and
I'm.
All
for
that.
Just
that
my
comment.
No.
J
Ahead
briefly,
regarding
electronic
payments,
I'll
tell
you
one
thing:
the
public
demands
it
so
I
used
to
when
I
filed
a
case.
I
would
mail
in
paperwork
with
a
check
can't
do
it
anymore.
All
the
and
there's
been
articles
in
the
paper
about
the
front
of
the
courthouse
behind
they
are
and
and
the
government
Payment
Systems
they
use,
but
nobody
uses
cash.
Nobody
has
cash
and
people
demand
24-hour
service
and
then
also
I
know
it's
a
challenge.
G
J
Yeah
he
and
I
can
remember
years
ago,
everyone's
saying
in
the
city.
No
more,
no
more!
You
know
we're
not
issuing
any
more
paychecks
if
you're
not
signed
up
for
automatic
payments.
You're
not
getting
your
paycheck
and
you've
got
a
lot
of
employees
that,
if
there's
a
mistake
or
they
don't
get
their
payment,
they're
unhappy.
A
D
A
Oh,
he
wants
to.
He
wants
to
record
okay,
so
I'm
going
to
give
an
opportunity
for
any
of
the
residents
on
Zoom
or
in
person
to
ask
questions
that
particular
Department
had
may
or
may
not
be
here,
but
at
the
very
minimal
you'll
have
the
opportunity
to
ask
the
question
and
then
George.
If
you
could
do
me
a
huge
favor
if
a
particular
department.
C
A
G
P
Ahead,
Rachel
Lapointe
Merrick,
Street,
Dearborn,
Heights,
Max
you're,
my
new
favorite
love
it.
You
are
a
man
after
my
own
heart
processes,
procedures
up
and
try
to
talk
to
you
guys
about
some
of
those
I
feel
like
sometimes
I'm,
not
always
great
at
getting
it
across,
but
I
have
great
hopes
for
you,
love
all
the
programs.
The
lawyers
coming
up
with
really
think
the
juvenile
court
I
really
hope
we
can
pursue
that.
P
P
If
we,
the
members
of
the
public-
and
this
might
would
probably
help
you
guys
too,
if
we
could
get
like
a
list
of
all
the
companies
or
people
that
we
contract
with
so
like,
for
example,
in
the
Corporation
Council
budget,
where
there's
professional
contractual
Services
get
it
broken
down
like
you
know,
Riley,
rancillo
or
whoever
it
is
Miyaki,
you
know
just
get
it
broken
down
so
that
people
can
know
who
are
the
companies
that
that
the
city
uses
make
sure
that,
like
you
know,
a
lawyer
is
not
pretending
to
misrepresent
the
city
or
something
things
like
that.
P
B
P
P
Yeah,
okay,
yeah
I,
think
everyone
in
this
room
and
the
whole
city
wants
to
give
everybody
raises
I.
Think
it's
really
great
that
you
put
in
five
percent
for
everyone
as
a
placeholder
I,
think
that's
a
great
start,
especially
with
the
upcoming
negotiations.
P
Pensions,
don't
pay
the
DTE
bill
or
the
water
bill
now
so
I
absolutely
agree
with
you
Council
chair
that
looking
at
getting
those
base
salaries
raised,
even
if
it
comes
out
of
Pensions
or
some
other
benefits,
I
think
that's
a
really
good
idea
and
I
had
a
question
for
our
HR
Director.
You
said:
there's
11,
open
positions
or
something
like
that
in
police.
P
P
Yeah,
that's
fine!
If
we
could
get
that
number
I
think
the
public
would
really
appreciate
that
in
terms
of
how,
because
I
know,
that's
a
Hot
Topic,
it's
something
itself
in
the
room
right
now,
because
the
number
I've
heard
is
27.
28
officers
have
left
I
know
we've
hired
some.
So
that
means
that
that
number
of
open
positions
doesn't
necessarily
reflect
how
many
people
have
left
and
wow
got
it
in
oh,
be
careful
with
promo
materials.
Moe
I,
don't
want
to
go
across
campaign
Finance.
P
A
A
Vince
first,
the
memory-
oh,
does
this:
oh
it
was
lost
between
the
white
behind
them
Tim.
Can
you
go
ahead
and
unmute
yourself,
I
know,
but
you're
unmuted
I.
L
You
can't
even
see
the
people
that
are
speaking
like
we
do,
but
anyway,
you've
got
negotiations
coming
up
right,
I,
don't
know
if
there's
a
proper
time
to
figure
out,
but
if
we're
having
the
issues
with
keeping
people
in
the
organs,
Department
and
I
have
passed
and
requested
this
for
many
years.
Why
isn't
the
workers
Department
under
the
supervision
and
direction
of
the
police
department
or
originally
began
years
ago,
so
budget
would
be
a
lot
bigger?
A
I
Can
you
hear
me
yep,
okay,
good
talking
about
the
courts,
the
the
juvenile
court?
That
is
nothing
new
to
Westwood?
We
did
that
years
ago
with
the
city
of
Irwin
Heights
in
courts.
So
okay
continue
a
good
thing.
All.
I
I
A
So,
okay,
thank
you
again
appreciate
it.
Anybody
else
on
Zoom
be
none
all
right.
Well,
thank
you
very
much,
ladies
and
gentlemen.
Directors.
You
guys
did
a
lot
of
great
job.
A
lot
of
great
work,
especially
the
initial
presentation,
I,
really
appreciate
that.
So,
if
you
can
vote
email
that
to
us
would
be
great.
Yes,.