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From YouTube: Dearborn Heights Study Session - 2/1/22
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The Dearborn Heights Study Session regarding the Ordinance Review of Planning Commission taking place Tuesday, February 1st 2022 at Riverside Middle School and over Zoom.
A
So
because
there
were
a
lot
of
questions
and
a
lot
of
vagueness
and
a
lot
of
unsuretiveness.
If
there's
such
word,
we
figured
we
would
do
this
so
that
we
could
clarify
everything
for
us
as
a
city
council
body
and
know
what
we
can
and
cannot
and
will
or
will
not
vote
on.
And
in
addition,
that
for
the
planning
commission,
so
that
they
could
be
more
clear
as
far
as
what
israel
is
not
sent
to
us.
A
Initially,
the
planning
commission
is
not
going
to
be
here
because
we're
going
to
make
a
clarification
specifically
to
the
city
council,
with
our
councilor
gary
miyatki
and
some
members
of
the
planning
commission
in
our
city
engineer
and
then
from
there.
If
we
have
to
we'll
go
to
the
planning
commission,
so
counselor
gary
miyatki,
you
can
go
ahead
and
get
us
started
start
it.
A
If
you
don't
mind
if
you
could
before
you
start
give
it,
and
I'm
always
big
on
that,
give
the
general
audience
listening,
whether
on
tv
or
in
person,
a
general
idea
of
what
the
planning
commission
is,
what
their
general
responsibilities
are
and
and
then
we'll
go
ahead
and
go
from
there.
As
far
as
some
of
the
questions
and
some
of
the
ambiguities
to
get
them
cleared
up,
thank
you.
B
B
B
B
The
planning
commission
is
also
supposed
to
be
responsible
for
holding
hearings,
reviewing
and
making
determinations
to
approve
or
deny
applications
for
special
uses
or
special
land
use.
Sometimes
we
hear
about
these
and
they
can
also
approve
them
subject
to
conditions
they
have
the
ability
to
review
conditional
rezoning
requests.
B
B
What's
going
on
on
the
vanborn
corridor?
Is
that
type
of
planned
development
they
review
those
types
of
things,
namely
the
planning
commission,
does.
Ultimately,
the
city
council
approves
that
the
planning
commission
is
also
designated
to
perform
duties
having
to
do
with
master
plan.
It
can
get
even
other
duties
and
all
of
its
meetings
have
to
be
handled
pursuant
to
the
the
act,
the
zoning
enabling
it.
B
So
it
has
quite
a
few
of
the
powers
and
and
authority
relative
to
zoning
issues
under
the
city's
ordinance
and
in
comparison
to
say
the
city
council,
which
basically
the
city
council,
adopts
the
zoning
ordinance
reviews
and
approves
planned
development
and
conditional
rezoning
proposals,
sets
fees
and
approves
planning.
Commission
members.
So
you
can
see
there
are
like
four
things
that
the
primary
city
council
is
supposed
to
do,
but
the
planning
commission
has
quite
a
few
things
that
it's
supposed
to
end
up
doing:
okay,.
A
And
then
a
quick
question
again
just
for
clarification
in
the
audience,
because
the
common
question
that
I
hear
all
the
time
by
residents
so
for
the
resident's
sake.
If
you
don't
mind
just
just
briefly,
what
is
the
difference
between
the
planning
commission,
which
is
what
we're
going
to
review
today
and
then
the
zoning
commission?
What
is
the
difference
for
a
resident
between
zoning
and
planning
and
then
from
you.
A
B
Gary
okay,
so
the
cba
is
really
designed
to
deal
with
issues
where
there
is
a
difficulty
in
applying
the
ordinance,
the
zoning
ordinance
as
envisioned.
Usually
they
have
to
be
practical
difficulties
or
hardships,
and
so
they
deal
with
variances
from
the
ordinance.
So,
for
example,
someone
has
a
an
oddly
configured
lot.
B
B
They
come
to
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
and
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
sees
if
the
standards
are
met
for
variants
to
be
granted.
The
planning
commission
doesn't
deal
with
those
issues.
They
still
deal
with
more
precise,
specific
issues
having
to
do
with
specific
property,
but
they
don't
deal
with
those
types
of
issues
and
then
the
council
deals
with
more.
You
know
political
broad-based
policy
issues
as
opposed
to
specific
issues
in
terms
of
property,
at
least
that's
the
way
it
currently
is
under
the
ordinance.
Thank.
A
You
very
much
gary
much
appreciated
at
this
particular
point:
councilman
tom
wenzel.
I
know
you
had
brought
up
this
question,
so
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
start
the
meeting
with
your
concern,
because
this
is
the
primary
reason
that
we
are
here
today.
So
if
you
don't
mind
but
again
to
everyone
any
in
the
and
council
members
make
sure
the
microphone
is
as
close
as
possible
to
you,
so
that
members
of
zoom
can
can
fully
understand.
You
glad.
C
Thank
you,
council,
chair
just
a
another
brief
example
of
what
the
planning
commission
did
or
does
when
I
was
on
the
planning
commission
for
15
years.
We
would
get
a
set
of
plans
from
an
applicant
just
theoretically,
someone
wanted
to
build
a
7-eleven
on
on
ford
road
and
they
would
they'd
give
us
the
plans.
We
would
turn
a
set
of
plans
over
to
the
fire
marshal
to
make
sure
that
everything
was
okay
with
them.
C
As
far
as
the
sprinkler
systems
room
for
a
fire
engine
to
go
around
the
building
different
things
like
that,
that
would
concern
the
fire
marshal
and
then
once
that
got
okay,
then
we
would
look
at
the
plans
and
see
if
there
was
enough
parking
spaces
for
that
particular
business.
According
to
our
ordinances,
it
had
a
drive-through
if
we
had
enough
stacking
the
cars
that
line
up
in
the
drive-through.
C
If
there's
enough
spaces
for
that,
if
the
off-street
parking
was
available
and
like
like
the
council
said
we
if
there
was
an
issue
with
say
if,
if
it
was
in
a
zoned
area
that
was
close
to
another
one,
someone
wanted
to
vary
and
say:
hey
we're
right.
In
a
m1
zone
or
c2
zone,
but
we
wanted
to
be
something
else:
classified
it'd
be
turned
over
to
zoning,
and
then
the
planning
commission
would
look
at
all
the
all
these
all
these
factors
and
then
have
the
cor.
C
The
council,
the
legal
council,
which
was
mark
roberts.
I
think
he
still
is
there.
He
would
look
at
everything
that
we
would
talk
about
and
see
if
it
was
legal,
because
if
a
business
wanted
a
person
want
to
put
a
business
in
a
specific
place
and
there
was
nothing
illegal
about
it,
we
would
have
to
actually
get
given
permission
to
do
that
unless
we
could
come
up
with
a
reason
not
to
you
know,
say
the
residential
area
group
would
come
and
protest.
It
and
they'd
have
petitions
things
of
that
nature.
C
We
would
make
a
recommendation
to
city
council
to
approve
this
site
plan
and
if
we
did
like
it,
we
would
recommend
the
city
council
denial
or
we
would
approve
it
with
conditions
to
city
council
for
them
to
make
the
final
decision
and
that's
the
only
way
it
went
in
the
15
years.
I
was
on
the
planning
commission.
C
B
A
So
no
it's
okay!
So
on
that
I
in
in
and
before
we
go
to
you
gary,
because
I
would
like
to
go
to
you.
We
have
to
follow.
Obviously,
whatever
the
official
protocol
is,
whatever
the
rules
are
and
and
that's
what
we'll
all
follow.
So
if
it's
been
for
whatever
we've
missed,
we'll
go
right
back
to
it.
With
that
being
the
case,
I'm
going
to
want
to
speak
with
our
building
director.
A
Rick
watlin
get
his
input
on
this
because
I
know
he's
at
the
planning
commission
meetings
and
then,
in
the
event,
our
engineer,
mr
ali
deeb,
just
get
his
input
on
this
too,
and
then
we'll
get
to
a
clarification
as
far
as
what
the
right
protocols
is
and
we'll
just
start
following
them
from
hence
forward
make
sure
we're
doing
following
the
rules.
Basically
so
rick.
If
you
don't
mind,
I
don't
mean
you
had
a
phone
conversation
and
you
had
some
concerns
and
I'd
like
you
to
address
them.
Please.
D
Most
of
those
that
have
to
be
approved
by
council
is
only
if
there's
a
zoning
change.
So
if,
if
it's
a
c3
commercial
area,
the
planning
commission
can
approve
it,
it
can
be
built.
What,
if,
if,
if
we're
going
from
residential
to
commercial
council,
has
to
approve
the
zoning
change,
okay,
but
other
than
that,
it
should
go
right
through
now.
A
D
And
also
with
that,
drive-through
constantly
had
to
the
final
approval
sure,
but
if
it's
allowed
in
the
that
area,
the
planning
commission
can
approve
it,
but
most
of
them
go
change
like
ford
road
went
from
residential
to
commercial
to
general
business,
so
that
should
have
came
for
just
the
zoning
change
from
c3.
I
mean
cx
to
c3
and.
A
Vacating,
the
valleys
for
those
that
are
not
familiar
so
vacating
of
an
alley
would
be
if
there's
an
existing
alley,
and
it's
going
to
be
split
up
to
the
business
behind
it.
We
as
a
council
would
have
to
get
final
approval
on
that.
Was
there
anything
else
on
your
end
beyond
those
four
that
you
feel
are
ones
that
are
mandatory
to
be
finally
approved
by
us
or
anything
above
and
beyond
that.
A
B
A
D
F
A
A
A
H
Good,
so,
as
mr
miyake
and
mr
watland
indicated
that's
basically
the
current
process,
that's
what
we,
what
we
do,
the
only
different
the
only
ad
I
like
to
to
to
include
is
that
there
are
set
of
standards
when
the
planning
commission
review
a
project
they're.
Looking
for
those
standards
case
in
point
of
the
apartments
on
on
warren
avenue
across
from
the
golf
course,
the
standard
height
was
required,
so
there
was
a
variance
they
pushed.
H
They
asked
them
to
go
to
zoning
and
zoning
looked
at
the
process
and
we
attended
it
and
they
gave
them
a
variance
instead
of
a
12
for
each
goal.
11,
because
the
overall
height
will
be,
you
know,
will
be
too
much
for
the
area.
So
these
are
the
things
that
the
zoning
and
the
planning
commission
deal
with
on
day-to-day
basis.
So
again
it
you
know
the
the
main
issues
that
you're
looking
for
that
you
wanted
to
come
before
the
board.
If
you
wanted
to
get
every
project
to
council,
then
it's
really.
A
You
need
a
30-day
notice,
so
you're
going
to
go
to
zoning,
which
I
think
two
or
three,
maybe
four
weeks
notice
and
then
go
in
front
of
zoning
and
then
one
month
30
days
in
order
to
get
on
a
planning
commission
and
then
be
on
the
client
planning
commission
30
days
later,
and
then
they
kick
it
back
on
everything
back
to
us
as
a
council.
That
would
be
too
much
too
burdensome
for
the
average
resident.
I
think
it's
too
much
we
want
to
get
rid
of.
I
know
for
our
mayor's
direction.
A
B
F
B
You
know
you
can
end
up
having
a
public
hearing
that
goes
on
for
quite
some
time,
and
you
know
the
details
really
matter
because,
ultimately,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
these
decisions,
even
though
they
involve
some
judgment,
often
are
straight
up
legal
issues
and
they'll
be
challenged
as
such.
They're,
not
they're,
not
political
decisions.
B
So
when
you
add
in
another
step
in
the
process,
you
potentially
end
up
making
it
that
much
more
difficult
for
the
applicants
in
terms
of
having
to
have
you
know
initially
go
over
to
the
building
department
then
go
to
the
planning.
Commission
then
go
to
the
city
council,
so
you're
you're
cutting
down
on
the
amount
of
process
but
you're
also
having
decisions
made
by
a
group,
that's
just
focused
on
the
standards
are
supposed
to
be
focused
just
on
the
standards
that
apply.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
I
I
So
that's
one
of
the
biggest
issues
that
we've
had
in
the
past
and
you
know
when
I
talked
about
red
tape.
So
that's
one
of
the
red
tapes,
so
the
other
thing
is
when
I
brought
in
the
engineer
to
the
city.
Obviously
the
city's
never
had
a
city
engineer
that
looked
at
the
interest
of
the
city
and
what
was
done
in
the
past.
Every
time
you
go
in
front
of
like
say
you
get
500
fee.
For
you
know
anybody
that
wants
to
deviate
from
the
process,
we'll
just
say
that
so
they
pay
the
500.
I
So
then
you
paid
for
an
attorney
to
be
there.
You
know,
even
if
you
have
one
case
at
that
night,
you
know.
Excuse
me
no
offense
to
the
lawyers,
sorry,
but
so
you're,
paying
that
you're
paying
a
certain
amount
for
the
for
the
attorney
to
be
there.
Even
if
they
listen
to
one
case,
you
still
got
to
pay
for
that
for
a
couple
hours.
I
I
Let's
say
you
know
I
want
to
put
papers,
you
know
it's
going
to
be
exceed
the
amount
of
that
grass
versus
concrete,
so
they
have
to
pay
500.
You
have
the
attorney
that
also
the
the
person
or
the
company
that
I
don't
mention
names,
but
the
consultant
that
is
there
on
behalf
of
the
city,
so
now
you're
paying
a
heck
of
a
lot
more
than
five
hundred
dollars.
You
know
because
yeah,
it's
costing
the
city
a
lot
of
money
and
sometimes
they
don't
make
decisions
the
first
meeting,
so
they
have
to
come
back.
I
Well
guess
what
we're
still
being
charged
twice.
So
that's
one
of
the
things
you
know
we
talked
about.
You
know
the
improving
the
process,
so
what
I
would
recommend
is
we
can
actually
put
something
together
like
say,
maybe
a
process
sheet
and
to
say
okay
for
for
this
particular
like
say
scenario,
it
would
have
to
go
to
in
front
of
council.
But
again
we
have
to
look
at
the
ordinance
make
sure
that
we're
not
violating
the
ordinance
we
might
have
to
go
back,
even
the
ordinance.
You
know
we
have
to
go
revise
it.
I
We
have
to
go
two
readings.
You
know
before
anything's
changed,
so
you
guys
can
say
it
as
a
council.
You
know
what
items
you
want
to
if
you're,
not
in
agreement
with
the
ordinance,
you
know
we
can
revisit
that.
But,
as
mentioned
you
know
anytime,
you
deviate
from
whatever.
Let's
say,
if
you
we're
applying
for
re-zoning
any
any
particular
area,
then
it
does
obviously
has
to
go
in
front
of
console,
and
you
know:
we've
seen
it
for
the
last
four
years.
Yeah.
A
I
I
know,
mr
mayor,
I've
had
conversations
with
you,
and
I've
also
heard
you
speak
at
the
until
the
two
cities,
and
one
things
that
you
mentioned
is
that
you
know.
Obviously
we
don't
want
in
our
city,
the
wild
wild
west,
where
everybody
does
whatever
they
want
do.
Needless
to
say,
so
I
know
you're,
not
in
favor
of
that,
but
at
the
same
time
I
know
you're
pro,
as
I
am
pro
business,
to
make
sure
that
businesses
we
are
business
friendly
and
we
want
businesses
to
be
open
in
the
area.
A
We
don't
want
to
shut
down
or
boarded
up
businesses,
and
we
want
to
encourage
businesses
to
come
here,
and
I
can
tell
you
for
myself
what
I've
heard
for
years
and
years
and
years
is.
We
are
as
a
city,
business
friendly.
It's
a
lot
easier
to
go
through
us
to
get
something
done
for
a
business
versus
a
lot
of
cities.
You
know
in
in
the
vicinity.
So
that's
good,
but
also
we
don't
want
to
add
so
much
red
tape
where
we
discourage
people
from
coming
forward
to
open
businesses
in
our
in
our
city.
No.
I
I
and
I
agree
with
you
and
again
you
know
we
have
our
city
engineer.
Is
he
works
for
the
city?
So
his
best
interest
is
the
city
and
we've
had
I
mean
you
know
which
there's
property
that
is
being
developed
right
now
it
passed
through
this
one
particular
company,
and
it
was
not
done
right.
So
we
had
to
go
back
and
revisit
that
site,
even
though
it
cost
the
investor
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
make
some
modification
but
they're
willing
to
pay
that
amount.
I
A
Well,
you
had
mentioned
it's
two
cities.
I
recall
you
said
you
want
to
make
it
kind
of
like
a
one-stop
plan,
preferably
for
a
resident
that
comes
in
that
wants
to
open
a
particular
business
to
streamline
the
process
where
we're
not
letting
them
do
whatever
they
want
to
do,
but
you
mentioned
you
want
it
to
where
they
go
to
one
spot
and
one
spot
only,
and
that
takes
them
through
the
whole
process.
So
it
eliminates
a
lot
of
the
confusion
that
some
residents
have
when
they
come
in
to
open
up
a
business
like.
A
I
And
thank
you,
council,
chair
and
that's
again,
you
know
with
the
process
sheets.
You
know,
that's
that's
one.
I
mean
good
point
that
you
just
mentioned.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
I
talked
about
at
the
tales
of
two
cities
to
have
process
sheets.
If
anybody
wants
to
start
a
business
in
the
city,
they
can
just
come
to
the
city
or
they
can
go
on
website.
You
know
download
the
form
say:
okay,
here's
step
one.
This
is
what
I
need
it
gives
them
the
checklist
yeah.
I
A
In
the
past
they
were
bouncing,
I
know
from
one
department
to
another
and-
and
it
creates
a
lot
of
confusion,
a
lot
of
frustration
and
then
it
it.
It
makes
them
not
want
to
sometimes
do
business
here,
and
I
know
you're
pro.
You
know
to
make
it
as
smooth
as
possible.
So
thank
you,
somebody
I
heard
somebody
okay,
councilman
constant,
go
out.
J
J
You
know
somebody
submitting
a
site
plan
making
sure
it's
in
the
proper
zone
making
sure
there's
adequate
room
for
fire
protection,
stacking
lanes
off
street
parking
to
to
get
through
the
specific
requirements
of
that
those
requirements.
First,
before
it
gets,
you
know
political,
worse,
everybody's
saying:
well,
no,
we
shouldn't
have
a
another
car
wash
there.
Instead,
we
need
a
fine,
dining
restaurant
or
you
know,
talk
about
how
the
processes
is.
B
Well,
if
I
may
I'll
try
to
be
very
brief
about
that
councilman,
basically
the
planning
commission,
when
it
ends
up
making
decisions
right
now
about,
for
example,
special
use
approvals
is
supposed
to
look
at
nine
factors
and
that's
how
the
decision
is
supposed
to
be
made.
It's
supposed
to
be
made
by
looking
at
those
factors
and
those
factors
alone
and
making
a
decision.
That's
based
on
really
the
merits
of
the
decision.
It's
not
really
a
political
decision
and
I
think
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
this
was
done.
B
I
was
not
the
person
who
drafted
the
ordinance.
I
believe
that
mr
roberts
and
his
firm
had
drafted
the
the
zoning
ordinance,
and
that
was
the
thinking
behind
behind
it,
even
though
I
know
councilman
muscat
had
indicated
that
part
of
his
concern
is
that
a
planning
commission
is
not
electable
and
not
necessarily
accountable
to
the
public
in
the
same
way
that
you
as
as
the
city
council,
are,
but
I
think
that
was
part
of
the
was
part
of
the
thinking
that
these
are
technical
decisions.
B
J
B
Well,
special
special
uses
are
actually
approved
by
the
planning
commission,
not
just
reviewed
or
conditionally
approved.
So
that
would
be
something
that
would
be
decided
by
the
planning
commission,
as
opposed
to
the
council
itself.
But
there,
the
council
in
the
article
again
only
has
like
four
things
that
it
approves.
B
I'm
sorry
that
I
think
I
believe
car
washes
are
a
special
land
use
and
would
not
end
up
having
to
go
back
for
approval.
I
could
stand
corrected.
You
know
I
haven't
been
dealing
with
the
zoning
issues
for
a
number
of
years.
If
the
building
director
could
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
my
understanding
is,
is
that
this
would
be
it's
it's
a
special
land
use.
It
would
end
up
being
approved
by
the
planning
commission
and
that
decision
would
be
correct
again
only
in
terms
of
the
council.
B
The
only
things
that
it
generally
is
involved
in
are
review
and
approval
of
planned
development
and
conditional
rezoning
proposals
so
like,
for
example,
someone
came
in
and
said,
hey
we
want
to
put
in
a
manufacturing
place
in
this
area,
and
it's
like
hey,
that's
not
zoned
for
that.
Well,
they
could
potentially
you
as
a
body,
would
deal
with
the
conditional
rezoning
proposal
based
on
that
development
or
a
plan
development
which
would
be
something
akin
to
what's
being
envisioned
for
the
vanborn
corridor.
Okay,.
A
A
Well
now
this
has
to
go
in
front
of
the
city
council
who's,
making
that
decision
at
that
point,
because
one
of
the
concerns
about
some
of
the
council
members
is
they
hadn't
seen
stuff
come
in
front
of
us
in
a
while,
and
even
myself
I
could
recollect
it.
It's
been
quite
a
while,
since
I've
seen
something
coming
from
the
planning
commission
so
who
makes
that
determination
during
the
meeting
like
okay,
this
should
go
in
front
of
the
council
body
now
for
final
approval.
D
D
C
Chair,
I
think
you
know
councilman
what
what
happened
when
I
was
in
there
it
was.
It
was
included
in
a
motion
that
it
was.
It
was
subject
to
go
back
to
city
council
for
something
or
go
to
zoney
for
something
you
know
or
we're
not
going
to
prove
this.
Unless
someone
else
looks
into
it
and
approves
it,
there
was.
C
There
was
one
instance
I
remember
I'm
like
I
mentioned
there
was
a
a
investor
that
bought
four
houses
on
each
side
of
on
one
on
one
street
and
four
house
a
narrative
off
of
warren.
I
think
it
was
and
for
parking
for
his
parking
lot,
and
maybe
it
was
three
to
three
house
on
each
side.
But
anyway,
the
person
that
lived
in
that
fourth
house
was
four
houses
away
from
any
business.
C
Now
they
had
a
six-foot
brick
wall
next
to
their
driveway,
where
they
used
to
have
their
neighbor's
house,
and
we
we
debated
it
back
and
forth,
and
there
were
some
of
us.
You
know,
because
we
me
and
a
few
others
were
strictly.
You
know
representing
the
residents
of
dearborn
heights
and
we
said
we
don't
like
this
and
we
recommended
to
city
council
that
it
be
denied
on
the
conditions
that
these
people
came.
They
had
the
whole
block
of
people,
signatures
and
city
council
came
back
to
us.
C
They
said
well
give
us
another
recommendation
to
solve
this
issue
and
it
came
back
in
the
the
applicant.
We
met
with
the
applicant
again
and
the
last
lot.
We
we
put
the
the
six
foot
wall
in
the
middle
of
that
lot
and
gave
that
last
home
owner
or
the
first
homeowner
now
20
feet
between
the
driveway
and
that
wall,
and
that
was
something
there
was
several.
You
know
either
way.
Whoever
gets
final
say
on
this.
I'm
just
telling
you
the
way
it
was
when
we
made
motions.
C
If
someone
made
a
motion
say
I
recommend
approval
right
away.
Corporation
council.
Stop
us
no
you're
recommending
approval
every
every
one.
If
mark
roberts
was
here
right
now,
he
you
know
he'd
go
along
with
me
on
that
every
one
was
we
recommend
approval
to
city
council
that
we
approve,
deny
or
approve
subject
to,
but
there.
C
B
Council
chair,
if
I
may
I
there
was
the
change
in
the
ordinance,
took
place
in
july
24
of
2007.,
so
it
would
have
been
sometime
during
councilman
wenzel's
tenure
on
the
planning
commission
that
these
things
changed.
As
you
know,
the
building
director
and
I
have
laid
out-
I
mean
you
know,
there's
not
a
lot
of
things
right
now
that
the
city
council
controls
with
respect
to
this
city
council
could
change
the
ordinance.
G
I
E
A
A
J
A
C
Glad
councilman
just
one
last,
you
know
it's
yeah.
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
confusing
because,
like
I
said
you
know,
whichever
way
we
were
supposed
to
do
it
that's
the
way
I
want
to
do
it
right,
but
you
know
under
duties
of
the
planning
commission
c5.
It
says
development
and
review.
That's
one
of
the
the
obligation,
the
one
of
the
duties
of
the
planning
question
planned
development
review.
C
A
B
Right,
you
can
see,
for
example,
sub
two
of
the
same
section
that
councilman
wenzel
talked
about
says,
site
plan
approval
that
goes
to
the
planning
commission.
Special
use.
Approval
goes
to
the
planning
commission
and
so
conditional
reviewing
rezoning
review
and
planned
development
review,
which
councilman
wenzel
the
last
one
just
read
from
are
things
where
the
planning
commission
reviews,
but
then
makes
recommendations
to
council,
but
those
are
relatively
narrow
things,
namely
the
planned
development
review
has
to
do
with
planned
developments
like
the
vanborn
corridor,
where
you
have
a
pattern
of
development
taking
place.
B
A
Okay,
I
I
thank
you
for
the
clarification,
because
on
something
like
that,
I
tell
you
for
one
absolutely:
if
we're
gonna
have
a
plan
for
the
whole
corridor,
definitely
I'd
want
us,
as
a
city
council
body,
to
be
involved
in
that
process.
Okay,
thank
you.
Councilor
gary
miyatki,
with
no
other
questions
from
council
members,
any
questions
or
public
comments
in
the
audience
all
right.
I
see
none.
Madame
clerk,
if
you
don't
mind,
if
you
could,
let
in
people
have
any
comments
in
the
audience,
I'm
sorry
on
zoom.
A
I
do
have
one
okay
go
ahead
if
they
could
state
their
name.
Yes,
so
whoever
is
coming
on
on
zoom
and
you
have
a
public
comment.
Please
make
sure
you
state
your
name,
the
city
that
you
reside
in
and
the
street
name.
Please
do
not
give
out
the
exact
address
unless
you
personally
prefer
to,
but
I
I
we
don't
need
it.
Thank
you.
A
A
E
A
E
B
A
B
A
B
A
If
it's
rules
we'll
respect
the
rules,
but
also
I'm
a
believer
in
free
speech,
so,
mr
saab,
what
I'm
gonna
do
is
I'm
gonna
continue
with
comments
in
regards
to
this
particular
item
right
after
that
we're
going
to
have
a
little
break
and
right
after
that,
we're
going
to
have
our
regular
special
counsel
meeting
at
that
special
council
meeting.
There
will
be
a
public
comment
section.
Actually,
I'm
looking
at
the
agenda.
A
There's
really
nothing
we're
just
going
to
do
the
pledge
allegiance
call
of
the
roll
call
and
then
we're
going
to
go
pretty
much
right
into
public
comments.
So
you'll
have
an
opportunity
to
speak.
Then,
if
you
don't
mind
stop,
I
have
to
respect
the
rules,
no
problem.
Okay,
thank
you.
That
should
be.
I
mean
it
shouldn't
be
too
long.
Okay,
is
there
anybody
else?
That
has
any
comments
in
regards
to
this
particular
study
session.
A
A
Okay
and
I've
done
it
both
ways.
I
can't
okay,
so
I
hdm,
I
give
you
another
five
more
seconds
just
out
of
respect
and
if
you
don't
get
unmuted
and
you
still
want
to
speak
during
the
regular
council,
the
special
counsel
meeting
coming
up,
you
are
able
to
speak,
including
on
stuff
in
regards
to
this
planning
commission
study
session.
So
you
will
not
be
muted
but
unfortunately,
because
technical
difficulties,
I've
always
wanted
to
say
that
we
can't
get
you
on
okay,
so
he's
not
been
able
to
unmute.
A
A
B
B
Council
chair,
what
my
sense
would
be.
You
should
add
this
as
an
item
of
new
business
and
just
have
a
vote
on
it
in
terms
of
what
direction
the
council's
body
wants
to
take,
whether
or
not
they,
the
council,
wishes
to
end
up
having
greater
authority
over
certain
things
that
the
planning
commission
does
right
now.
Okay,
then,
you
could
end
up
having
that
vote.
B
I
would
prepare
things
they
would
have
to
end
up
being
referred
over
to
the
planning
commission,
because
the
planning
commission
has
to
end
up
reviewing
any
sort
of
proposed
ordinance
changes
having
to
do
with
the
zoning
ordinance
before
they
can
come
back
to
the
council,
and
then
it
could
go
to
the
planning
commission
be
discussed,
look
at.
They
could
formulate
something
based
on
whatever
perhaps
I've
drafted,
and
then
it
could
end
up
coming
back
for
ultimate
adoption.
A
Okay,
if
I
made
something
councilman,
then
I
let
you
go
ahead
and
go
then
if
we
are
going
to
add
it,
I
don't
suggest
we
add
a
new
business
right
now
at
the
next
meeting,
it's
just
too
early
to
make
that
big
of
a
change.
So
what
I
would
suggest-
and
if
all
of
my
fellow
council
members
agree-
and
I
think
it'd
be
the
best
way
to
go-
we
put
it
on
the
next
council
agenda.
So
you'll
have
an
opportunity,
as
council
members
to
do
whatever
research
calls
look
into
it.
A
Discussions
with
whoever
you
want
to
and
then
we'll
put
it
on
the
agenda
and
at
that
particular
point
we'll
vote
on
it.
If
there's,
if
we
as
a
body
field,
we
want
to
make
that
change
but
go
ahead.
Councilman
tom
munsell
and
this
will
be
the
last
I'm
sorry.
This
will
be
the
last
comment
and
then
this
will
end
this
study
session.
A
C
D
F
And
I'm
sorry
gary,
if
you
could
also
put
something
together,
basically
the
steps
of
what
would
have
to
take
if
we
want
to
make
any
types
of
adjustments,
so
that
the
council
is
all
aware,
including
the
planning
commission.
So
if
you
can
break
down
those
steps
for
us
before
the
next
city
councilman
before
the
vote
was
there
so
that
we
can
have
that.
Thank
you.
F
A
A
No
problem
so
at
this
particular
point
we're
gonna
take
it's
right.
Now:
6
30
we're
going
to
resume
our
regular
council
meeting
at
6
45
and
then
at
that
particular
point
for
those
in
the
audience
that
wanted
to
speak.
I'm
not
blocking
you
from
speaking
you'll
be
able
to
speak
at
the
special
meeting
of
the
demon
heights
city
council,
starting
in
15
minutes.
Mr
mayor,
it.