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From YouTube: Dearborn Heights Study Session - 3/15/22
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The Dearborn Heights Study Session regarding Water and Sewer presented by Plante Moran taking place Tuesday, March 15th 2022 at Riverside Middle School and over Zoom.
B
A
C
D
So,
from
the
perspective
of
the
payment
of
the
capital,
improvement
bonds,
the
water
and
sewer
fees.
D
A
No
problem,
martin,
before
you
begin,
if
you
don't
mind
just
in
case
for
those
in
the
audience
and
on
zoom
that
are
not
familiar
with
what
it
is
specifically
we're
speaking
about.
If
you
could
just
give
maybe
a
two
minute
synopsis
as
to
our
last
water
budget
meeting
and
then
and
then
we'll
go
into
the
questions
from
different
council
members.
D
If
you
don't
mind,
okay,
no
problem,
so
the
last
water
and
sewer
budget
called
for
approximately
a
six
and
a
half
six
point:
seven:
five
percent
water
and
sewer
rate
increase
on
the
average
recording.
E
D
Go
ahead,
martin,
so
the
budget
calls
for
approximately
a
six
point:
seven,
five
percent
water
and
sewer
rate
increase,
and
what
that
includes.
It's
for
all
like
fixed
asset
purchases,
overall
budget
for
water
and
sewer,
and
it
is
the
budget
that
you
prepare
is
for
a
five-year
plan.
D
So
you
do
project
out
fixed
asset
purchases,
improvements
et
cetera
for
a
five-year
period,
in
that
it
does
include
the
water
and
sewer
capital
improvement
bonds
that
were
issued
over
the
last
year,
and
it
does
include
in
that
the
principle
and
interest
that
are
going
to
be
paid
for
those
bonds.
D
Currently,
the
budget
is
set
to
be
based
on
water
and
sewer
rate
usage.
So
it's
not
specific
to
you
know
like
a
flat
fee
or
anything
like
that.
It
is
set
for
that
and
the
budget
does
call
for.
Like
I
said
it's
a
five
year
plan,
it
basically
calculates
how
much
cash
you
need
at
the
end
of
five
year
period
in
order
to
make
sure
that
the
water
and
sewer
fund
stays.
D
I
guess
in
the
black
versus
going
upside
down
and
having
a
deficit
and
that's
kind
of
the
driver
behind
the
whole
model.
It
does
look
at
the
cash
flows
overall,
so
the
cash
the
revenue
is
coming
in
and
the
expenditures
coming
out
biggest
factors
that
drive
the
water
and
sewer
model
are
the
water
purchases
that
are
made
by
the
city
from
great
lakes,
water
authority.
D
So
that's
a
significant
piece
and
then,
of
course,
capital
improvements
that
are
occurring
within
the
water
and
sewer
fund.
So
if
you
have
water
main
breaks,
the
capital
outlay,
expenditures
that
you
have
noted
for
you
know
csos
water
meters
etc.
All
that's
in
the
model.
Those
will
be
the
biggest
components
and
then,
of
course,
you
have
some
salaries
and
some
other
expenses
as
well,
but
those
would
be
by
far
the
largest
components
of
the
water
and
sewer
model.
A
A
I'm
sorry
and
that's
fine,
and
for
those
in
the
audience
or
on
zoom
the
advantages
of
these
new
water
meters.
I
know
some
people
have
complained
sometimes
of
you
know,
they're,
not
sure
if
their
water
bill
is
correct
or
not
one
of
the
biggest
advantages
of
these
new
water
meters
is,
it
will
be
as
pretty
much
as
accurate
as
you
can
get
as
far
as
technology
is
concerned.
So
it's
going
to
work.
Definitely
in
the
best
interest
of
the
residents
and
for
final
water
bills.
A
It'll
be
much
quicker,
it'll
be
almost
on
the
spot.
They'll
be
able
to
do
it
through
the
water
department
and
it'll
make
things
a
lot
more
efficient,
it's
already
as
efficient,
but
take
it
to
the
next
level
with
our
water
department,
freeing
them
up
to
do
the
to
provide
the
services
that
the
residents
need.
So
it's
definitely
going
to
be
a
plus
council.
F
Glad
councilman,
martin,
you
and
I
spoke
on
the
phone
and
you
said:
you'd
work
up
some
other
different
numbers
for
me.
Did
you
ever
do
that
so.
D
D
I
want
you
to
explain
so
from
that
perspective,
so,
if
so,
yes,
so,
if,
basically,
if
you
change
the
water
and
sewer
structure
of
how
you
invoice
the
customers,
there
are
a
couple
cases
that
have
been
outstanding
or
have
been
out
there
a
few
years
back
both
cases,
one
significant
case
a
few
years
back
that
basically
prohibits
cities,
municipalities
from
charging
in
certain
ways,
flat
fees
for
example,
or
trying
to
charge
certain
residents
a
higher
fee
versus
others.
F
F
So
the
way
they're
charging
the
residents
is
by
how
much
water
they
use
correct.
That
is
correct,
and
how
is
that
against
the
law?
I
mean.
How
is
that
with
the
law,
when
I
got
to
pay
more
for
something
that
somebody
else
is
the
same?
It's
the
same
object
I
mean
a
water
water
meter
and
arbitrarily
I'm
just
going
to
say
cost
200
and
200
for
installation.
F
D
Most
of
the
time
the
city
implements
water
and
sewer
rate
increases
starting
in
december.
So
you
know
I
realize
we're
a
few
months
behind
and
what
I
would
encourage
the
city
to
do
is
take
a
look
at
the
water
and
sewer
rate
structure
over
the
coming
months
before
the
next
water
and
sewer
rate
increase.
D
So
that
way,
if
it
is
legally
permissible
to
do
certain
things,
and
if
the
city
council
decides
to
do
the
go,
that
route
then
proceed
that
way,
just
to
make
sure
that
it's
safe
that
way,
you're,
not
exposing
yourself
to
a
lawsuit.
That's
you
know,
potentially
frivolous
or
maybe
there's
there
will
be
merit
to
it
as
well.
If
you
change
the
structure
and.
F
D
So
it
so
when
you
make
the
approval,
the
rates
go
in
the
fact
and
they
stay
in
effect.
So
it's
not
like
it
would
go
back
retroactively
and
go
back
to
the
previous
rates.
If
you
did
approve
the
6.75
roughly
increase,
that
increase
stays
until
the
next
time
and
then,
if
there
is
a
increase
of
five
percent
or
six
or
whatever,
that
percentage
is,
then
you
can
enact
it
on
the
new
rates
already.
So
it's
it
wouldn't
necessarily
be
for
two
or
three
months.
It
would
be
on
the
go
forward
basis.
Well,.
F
F
D
B
D
H
D
D
The
other
thing
is
the
reason
there's
such
a
huge
delay
this
year
in
in
this
budget,
and
this
discussion
is,
as
you
remember,
the
audit
itself
took
the
presentation
for
the
financial
statements
did
not
occur
until
early
january.
The
numbers
that
the
city
had
overall
on
the
records
just
overall,
your
internal
records,
were
not
in
good
enough
shape
in
order
to
even
be
able
to
do
the
audit.
That's
why
the
budget's
not
coming
into
play
until
now
years.
D
Back
normally,
the
presentation
would
occur
in
november
so
that
that's
why
the
city
council
could
make
the
decision
to
increase
water
and
sewer
rates
effective
december
1st
and
actually
a
couple
years
back.
The
city
accelerated
the
water
and
sewer
budget
overall,
the
discussions-
and
we
had
these
discussions
in
august
and
september.
So
that
way
it
would
give
the
city
more
time
to
plan
some
of
these
expenditures,
especially
come
early
spring.
F
So
my
big
thing
is
I'd
like
to
see
this
come
before.
Council,
like
you,
said
much
earlier,
even
september
august
september,
so
we
know
what
we're
looking
at.
I
I
mean
you
said
six
point:
seven:
five
percent
increase
for
water
and
sewage.
Is
that
combined
total
or
is
there
two
different
numbers,
one
for
water,
one
for
sewage?
That's.
D
F
F
All
of
this
stuff
is
on
your
water
bill
and
people
don't
know
it
and
I,
I
think
well,
I
think
the
people
need
to
know
what's
in
their
water
bills,
what
they're
paying
for
they're
paying,
for
you
know:
maintenance,
they're,
paying
for
water
main
replacements,
they're
paying
for
all
of
this
stuff,
but
all
they
think
of
is
my
water.
Bill
was
five
or
six
hundred
dollars
for
two
months.
D
And
you
know,
I
think,
a
very
important
thing
to
note.
I
think
the
city
is
definitely
making
good
strides
to
get
the
financial
records
in
order
not
to
pet
my
firm
on
the
back,
but
that's
why
you
hired
plant
marine
gap
to
assist
with
some
of
the
financial
you
know
just
over
all
the
records
etc.
So
to
be
able
to
present
this
a
lot
sooner
next
year
or
next
couple
of
years.
D
I
don't
foresee
that
being
a
problem
having
this
in
front
of
you
in
march
or
whether
it's
in
january
or
march,
it
is
late,
especially
since
you
know
normally
you
try
and
do
an
increase
if
there
is
one
in
december.
So
clearly
it's
already
late,
but
you
given
the
circumstances
that
was
the
best
the
city
could
do
at
this
time.
A
So
a
couple
of
things
and
you're
gonna
be
going
next
and
then
constant,
councilman
constant,
a
couple
things
I
want
to
point
out
number
one.
I've
had
calls.
You
know
complaining
about
the
most
recent
water
bill
and
I
want
to
point
out
to
the
general
audience
is
that
the
most
recent
water
bills
that
you
have
received
in
the
mail
are
for
92.
I
called
the
water
department
and
I
spoke
with
sheila
and
she
went
through
the
whole
thing,
and
I
much
appreciate
the
job
that
she
does.
A
She
explained
that
that's
for
90,
the
cur
most
current
bill
is
for
92
days
versus
the
traditional
60
days,
so
there's
an
extra
50,
some
percent
additional,
not
that
you're
paying
50
extra.
But
if
your
bill
hypothetically
was
always
a
hundred
dollars,
it's
not
going
to
be
150
because
you're
over
92
days
versus
60
days,
and
that
needs
to
be
addressed
because
everybody's
thinking
right
now,
why
is
my
bill
so
high,
including
one
call
I
got
today,
was
asking
why
she
had
five
hundred
dollars.
Her
typical
bill
is
around
three
hundred
and
fifty
dollars.
A
It
was
five
hundred
dollars
now,
but
it's
only
because
you
have
an
additional
32
days
on
this
cycle,
so
I
want
to
point
that
out
make
sure
the
public
knows
that
number
two
people
got
to
know
that
any
charges
we
charge.
As
you
know,
martin
is
based
on
what
we
get
from
great
lakes,
water
association.
So
whatever
they
charge
us,
we
charge
it
right
back
and
then
the
last
one
I
want.
A
I
want
to
speak
about
me
and
you
had
a
phone
conversation
and
and
if
you
recall
I
said
I
like
to
reduce
to
the
ridiculous,
let's
get
it
right
down
to
this
dollars
and
cents,
and
your
quote,
as
I
recall
from
my
notes,
was
for
a
60-day
period
based
on
an
average
water
bill
of
around
roughly
around
300
350,
and
my
handwriting
is
terrible,
but
I
have
here
roughly
around
four
dollars
and
fifty
cents
to
about
seven
dollars.
Is
that
correct?
Or
I
can't
read
my
own
handwriting,
it's
pretty
bad.
B
I
Dollars
billing
cycle
so
every
bill
every
60
days,
council,
chair
from
the
example
I
was
provided,
I
think
it's
about
four
dollars
and
56
cents.
A
That's
what
I
wrote
down
at
time:
okay,
so
while
you're
freaking
that.
D
Out
so
the
average
bill
I
have,
that
would
go
any
a
bi-monthly
bill
from
roughly
180
to
about
190
right.
A
That's
that's
why
we
called
and
that's
for
a
60-day
period,
correct
and
so.
B
Yeah,
I'm
so
sorry,
thank
you,
councilman
martin.
I
just
have
a
couple
of
things.
I
know
when
we
spoke
one
of
the
things
that
I
know,
councilman
muscat,
brought
to
my
attention,
was
the
detailed
breakdown
of
a
water
bill.
B
This
much
for
water,
this
much
for
sewage,
this
much
for
cso
this
much
from
either
one
two
three
four:
these
here
are
your
debts.
Here's
your
water,
how
much
you've
used
this
is
how
much
your
sewage
is
at
the
grand
total
62
days.
This
is
how
much
you're
paying
I
know.
I've
asked
that
question.
Are
we
going
to
be
able
to
see
our
city
moving
forward
in
that
direction?.
H
B
F
I
F
That's
not
right,
but
if
it's
the,
if
it's
the
illegal
way,
we
can't
do
it,
but
this
is
where
I'm
going
to
ask
the
mayor
to
have
our
corporation
council
look
into
that,
because
I
think
you
know
every
time
we
we
have
done
something
in
this
city.
As
far
as
water
goes,
we
have
shared
the
cost
to
the
entire
city,
but
in
that
saying
some
people
get
charged
more
than
others.
So.
B
D
B
It
was
both
case.
I
correct
vote
versus
what
I'm
so.
My
sister-in-law's
gonna
turn
in
a
header
look
into
it,
and
so
a
lot
of
them
actually
settle
on
cases.
But
the
boat
is
the
actual
case.
The
remaining
municipalities
just
settle
through,
so
that
they
don't
have
to
go
through
a
bunch
of
legal
fees
and
whatnot.
So
what
you?
What
you
you
you
and
I
spoke
about-
was
accurate
because
I
actually
dug
into
it
and
I
believe
there
were
surrounding
cities
that
were
also
affected
by
this,
so
they
reverted
back
to
doing
this.
A
But
he
said
you'd
have
to
get
you
know,
that's.
D
D
Does
that
mean
that
they're
utilizing
the
water
and
sewer
system
more
than
others?
It's
not
just
water
that
you
get
out
of
the
water
and
sewer
system.
There's
a
lot
that
goes
behind
the
scenes.
It's
not
just
you
know
what
goes
through
the
faucet.
So
does
that
mean
that
you
know
if
there's
a
lot
more
water
that
goes
through
your
faucet
through
your
to
your
house?
Does
that
mean
the
water
meter
works
harder?
D
A
B
B
I
J
Councilman
we're
still
in
in
the
so
the
number
is
nine
nine
million,
and
this
is
part
of
the
bond
sales
that
we
did
a
couple
years
back,
so
the
that
service
that
councilman
muscat
was
referring
to
is
baked
in,
because
the
debt
service
was
generated
by
a
number
of
projects
in
the
water
and
sewers,
not
just
the
water
meter.
So
we
had
the
csos
one
was
done
two
on
the
way
and
the
water
meter
and
all
the
related
cost,
the
the
water
meter
project,
the
replacement
project
will
cost
about.
J
We,
we
budgeted
9
million.
We
are
in
the
product.
Selection
today
was
the
last
day
with
a
product
selection
on
the
meters.
So
once
that's
taken
place,
we
haven't
selected
the
product.
Today
was
the
last
presentation:
there
will
be
a
product
selection,
after
which
the
cost
of
the
units
will
be
identified,
but
this
this
process
will
take
us
into
the
next
level
and
we'll
identify
all
the
things
that
you're
discussing
today.
You
know:
how
do
you
want
it
to
be
presented?
How
you
want
the
you
know
the
cost
to
be
shared.
J
You
know
how
do
you
want
the
bill
to
look
like
because
it's
all
going
to
be
revamped
as
part
of
this
effort?
As
far
as
what
martin
said
about
the
debt
service
retiring,
the
debt
service
related
to
water
and
sewers,
that
will
be
a
separate
discussion
that
will
have
to
go
to
legal,
because
you
know
I
don't
know
if
you
wanted
to
include
the
debt
service
on
your
portion
of
the
water
bill.
B
B
J
F
D
D
So
it's
about
a
million
and
a
half
per
year.
That's
what's
built
into
the
budget.
The
million
and
a
half
includes
the
csos
and
the
water
meters,
so
the
full
bond
issuance.
What
those
were.
Those
proceeds
were
meant
for
so
you're
not
paying
for
nine
million
dollars
all
at
once
for
water
meters.
That
cost
is
spread.
I
believe
the
amortization
for
the
bonds
is
20
years.
D
E
D
Cents
56
every
two
months
for
the
average
user
in
the
system.
D
A
quarter
for
someone
that
doesn't
use
much
water
so
like
more
of
like,
except
clearly
that
would
go
up
a
little
bit
and
I
believe
it
was
around
two
dollars
per
every
two
months
and
for
those
that
use
a
lot
of
water.
That's
the
flip!
That's
probably
about
two
dollars
of
savings.
Every
two
months
or
so,
okay,.
B
So
so
my
last
question
ali
deeb,
and
maybe
the
administration
and
marianna
when
you
guys
get
a
breakdown
of
what
that's
gonna
cost.
Can
you
get
that
back
over
to
the
council
as
soon
as
possible,
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
have
a
lot
of
ease
in
mind
as
well.
Thank
you,
okay.
Thank
you.
Councilman.
G
Just
three
brief
points
number
one
you
remember
was
that
about
three
years
ago,
martin,
when
we
then
councilwoman
lee
six
clayton
sugges
moved
to
reduce
the
water
bills
by
25
percent
10
percent,
and
we
didn't
that
year.
We
didn't
pass
the
budget,
so
we
used
last
year
the
year
prior,
so
we
were
sort
of
a
year
behind.
D
Was
about
three
or
four
years
ago,
not
having
the
water
and
sewer
rate
increase
at
all?
I
was
looking
at.
You
know
what
kind
of
impact
it
has
on
current
rates,
because
you
know
not
having
a
water
and
sewer
rate
increase
in
one
year.
D
Ultimately,
it
does
catch
up
and
you
know
you're
still
passed
down
increases
in
costs,
so
we're
talking
about
just
water
purchases
alone.
It's
about
four
percent
increase
every
single
year,
you're,
looking
at
infrastructure
costs,
capital
costs
and
inflation's
been
I'm
sure
everybody
notices
when
they
go
to
the
grocery
store.
It's
been
pretty
crazy.
I
believe
it's
around
seven
and
a
half
percent
recently.
So
all
these
costs
are
going
up
not
having
an
increase
will
deplete
the
cash
that
you
have
in
the
water
and
sewer
fund.
D
G
It's
an
enterprise
fund,
so
it
has
to
be
solvent
and
and
it
has
to
be
self-sufficient
and
then
number
two
we've
always
talked
about
separate
meters
for
water
and
sewer,
and
I
don't
know
that
would
be
cost
effective
so
that
someone
would
get
a
bill
for
the
water
they
used
and
then
a
bill
for
what
went
down
the
sewer
people
say
they
water,
their
lawn
or
wash
their
car
and
then
number
three
theirs
are
several
lawsuits
against
the
great
lakes
water
authority
going
now,
there's
a
lawsuit
filed
by
all
the
commercial
users
against
the
great
lakes
water
authority
for
the
way
they
set
fees
and
so
forth,
but
I'm
all
set.
K
You
you
know:
councilman
musk
had
touched
on
it.
You
know
my
wife
and
I
and
decided
to
raise.
K
You
know,
raise
our
five
children
in
dearborn
heights
and
we're
getting
penalized,
there's
a
rental
house
across
the
street
from
us
where
it's
been
rented
for
the
last
10
years
to
a
bachelor
and
because
we
decided
to
stay
in
dearborn
heights
and
raise
our
family
we're
getting
penalized
to
pay
more
for
a
water
meter
than
this
guy
is,
and
he
pays
the
water
bills
because
he's
a
renter,
but
still
I
mean
it's
not
fair
at
all.
I
mean
it's
a
200
water
meter.
K
You
know,
I
mean
if
I
go
and
if
I
go
into
walmart
and
I
buy
a
bag
of
chips,
it's
gonna
cost
me
five
dollars,
but
the
bachelor
can
come
in
here
and
get
it
for
a
dollar
fifty.
It
doesn't
make
any
sense
at
all
to
me
whatsoever,
and
now
the
night
I
think,
councilman
bay
doom
was
trying
to
get
at
the
nine
million
dollars.
K
J
Total
project
cost
that
single
project
minus
engineering
engineering
was
set
separately
so
when
it
was
presented
to
council
way
before
my
time,
there
was
a
list
of
projects
and
they
presented
the
estimate
for
each
one,
the
csos
and
water
meters.
That
single
project
was
nine
million
nine
million
dollars
even
and
that's
still
in
in
the
budget
today.
So
that's
what
they
used
as
a
model
until
we
actually
put
the
project
out
on
the
street
for
bid.
I
I
you
know
we'll
come
back
to
you.
K
H
D
K
J
So
the
reason
for
the
project,
the
justification
for
that
project
isn't
the
estimated
saving
it's
it's
a
combination
of
things,
one.
The
main
reason
was
the
fact
that
your
existing
systems
are
no
longer
supported.
You
can't
buy
them,
you
can't
find
parts
for
them.
You
can't
and
plus
all
the
issues
with
theft
and
potentials,
they're,
just
old
systems
way
beyond
their
useful
life.
So
that
was
the
main
justification
in
terms
of
savings.
J
K
You
know
okay,
also,
now
now
that
we're
doing
this,
you
know
you
said
the
last
product
presentation
was
today
yesterday.
Did
we
look
at
a
product
that
that
separates
home
usage
against
outdoor
usage
like
water,
sprinklers
and
stuff?
Like
that
this?
This
would
be
the
time
to
do
that.
Did
we
do
that.
J
That's
not
on
the
water
side,
that's
on
the
sword
side
and
we
currently
are
with
the
store
the
sanitary
sewer,
processing
facilities,
we're
working
on
that
issue,
because
we're
not
the
only
community.
That's
facing
that.
So
the
irrigation
is
what
we
call
it
we're
currently
the
model
for
the
down
river,
which
is
the
part
of
the
city
that
the
south
side
of
the
city
that
goes
into
the
dua.
J
The
current
consideration
for
new
billing
methodology
is
the
use
of
winter
average,
no
longer
even
estimating
so
currently
we're
paying
based
on
water
consumption.
We
send
copies
of
what
we
sell
and
then
we
pay
sewer
based
on
water
sales,
going
forward
we're
just
going
to
take
the
winter
consumption,
where
there's
absolutely
no
irrigation,
no,
no
lawn
service
of
any
kind,
no
water,
no
pools
to
fill
and
then
use
that
for
sewer
purposes.
Now
that's
one
option,
and-
and
this
is
what
we're
leaning
against
at
least
I'm
still
evaluating.
J
This
second
option-
will
be
what
councilman
constant
indicated
put
sewer
meters
on
the
community
side.
We're
not
I'm
I'm
looking
at
other
communities
now
to
see
how
much
luck
they
had
with
those,
because,
yes,
you
may
save
on
sewer
charges,
but
then
you
have
to
consider
the
cost
of
maintenance
and
upkeep,
and
you
know
if
these
sewers
fail,
the
meters
fail.
You
got
additional
cost,
so
we're
we're
more
likely
to
do
winter.
Consumption
for
billing
purposes.
L
L
K
Okay,
now
now
the
the
meters
for
the
the
sewage,
the
sanitary
sewer.
Basically
would
that
would
just
be
one
meter
at
one
point.
J
No,
it's
it's
actually,
depending
on
what
you
have
so
so
in
our
case
for
dual:
let's
take
door
because
we're
in
the
middle
of
negotiations
now
duo
is
the
down
river
utilities,
so
we
have
sanitary
sewers
that
we
we
share
with
other
communities,
so
you
have
to
take
the
flow
coming
out
of
your
communities.
Multiple
points
deduct
what
comes
out
into
it
from
other
communities
and
then
bill
you
for
the
difference.
J
K
J
J
So
currently,
7
out
of
the
14
or
8
out
of
the
14
have
decided
to
do
100
meters
and
that
is
they
meters
their
source,
so
they
only
pay
for
what
they
use
they're.
J
Still
on
the
hook
for
the
extra
you
know,
ini
infiltration
part,
but
the
people
that
elected
to
do
that
were
either
on
upstream
or
at
the
end,
which
made
it
easier
if
you're,
the
first,
you
just
put
one
meter
and
you're
done
if
you're
at
the
tail
end,
you
just
take
one
meter
the
supply,
but
we're
in
the
middle.
So
we
have
multiple
locations
going
into
the
city
and
I
have
ramoles.
J
I
have
inkster,
I
have
dearborn
and
then
I
have
to
take
the
stuff
coming
out
of
the
city
and
the
deducted
two.
I
don't
think
there
will
be
a
saving
for
us
to
do
that,
so
I'm
more
lenient
to
recommend
average
winter
three
months
winter,
and
consider
that
our
fair
sewer
that.
A
C
C
C
The
overflow
yeah,
so
that's
all
we
can
do
with
that,
and
the
other
thing
is
I've
heard
that
highland
park
we're
covering
their
share.
H
I
was
in
a
meeting
friday
with
cww,
so
it's
the
central
western
wayne
communities
and
so
10
little
over
10
years
ago,
so
highland
had
an
issue
with
their
water
plant,
so
they
had
the
state.
It's
actually
a
state,
told
the
water
authority
to
open
the
meters
for
go
open,
the
waterfall
island,
so
they
said
for
a
few
days,
turns
out
to
few
weeks
now,
it's
few
years
so
now,
basically
what
they're
I
mean
it
was
all
over
the
news.
H
Actually,
the
channel
all
the
three
networks
were
at
that
meeting,
so
they
had
they're
imposing
all
the
cities
to
come
up
with
some
of
the
money.
But
what
they're
going
to
do
is
they're
going
to
put
the
money
aside
bonded
until
they
retrieve
the
money
from
either
the
state
or
highland.
So
at
this
point
it's
still
up
in
the
air
there's
a
huge
lawsuit
filed
by
the
cww
or
lwa
and
they're,
including
us.
H
They
actually
volunteered
me
to
be
on
the
committee
for
that,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we,
the
committee
is
going
to
be
looking
at
is
how
to
hold
that
community
accountable
in
the
state.
So
the
state
allowed
them
to
go
through
the
process
and
the
state
just
kind
of
stepped
away,
and
they
said
basically
the
communities
you
guys,
you
know
you
take
care
of
it.
So
there's
a
lot
of
attorneys
involved
and
there's
a
huge
lawsuit
over
60
million
dollar
lawsuit.
H
So
I'll
keep
you
guys
in
updated,
but
right
now,
there's
still
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
legal
things
going
on
and
we,
like,
I
said
they
called
a
special
meeting
on
friday.
We
I
went
to
several
hours
and
they
were
just
trying
to
hash
out
some
things
with
a
bunch
of
attorneys
present
from
from
that
organization.
I
Is
the
last
question
yeah?
Thank
you,
council,
chair,
so
martin.
My
question
is
the
6.7
increase
that's
most
likely
going
to
be
just
for
next
year.
Correct
because
until
we
come
up
with
an
actual
quote
for
the
water
meters
done
is
going
to
change.
So
we
have
to
approve
something
else
correct.
So.
D
Right
now
it's
a
six
point:
seven
percent
roughly
increase
going
forward
and
then
the
next
budget
cycle,
as
you're
looking
at
a
water
and
sewer
fund
you'll,
have
to
decide
if
you're
increasing
it.
You
know
whatever
the
percentage
amount
is,
then
you
can
also
decide
if
you're
going
to
do
like
a
flat
fee
for
certain
things
or
not,
depending
on
what
the
attorney
says,
but
I
would
say
so,
you're
correct.
So
it's
the
6.7
for
the
time
being.
But
it's
not
going
to
go
retroactively
like
go
back
to
the.
I
Because
I'm
just
looking
at
this
example
that
was
provided
to
me,
it
seems
like
it's
with
the
6.7
that
would
go
down
for
the
next
five
years.
Wow
looking
or
whatever
mr
deep
said,
most
likely
is
going
to
change
after
next
year.
D
D
I
do
have
to
say
that
for
the
most
part,
the
city
has
been
very,
I
would
say
forward
thinking
a
lot
more
than
I
would
say,
even
many
communities
and
so
you're
able
to
project
out
like
over
all
your
expenses
and
so
on
and
you're
pretty
close
in
that
percentage
year
over
year.
But
if
the
water
meters,
for
example,
are
a
lot
less,
then
that's
going
to
be
built
into
the
model
that
there's
going
to
be
a
savings,
so
the
percentages
are
going
to
be
lower
next
year.
D
The
increases,
if
some
capital
outlay
goes
down
again,
it's
going
to
be
the
same
thing
now
on
the
flip
side.
If
capital
outlay
goes
higher,
then
that
percentage
might
increase
a
little
bit.
F
I
just
I
want
to
know
or
or
make
our
administration
aware
that
you
know
like.
I
was
talking
about
this
appendix
page
where
the
water
replacement
projects,
we
have
arpa
money
for
a
lot
of
this
and
we
could
reduce
our
cost
as
we
we
go
forward.
We
use
some
of
that
arpa
money
and
help
reduce
the
cost
to
our
citizens
and-
and
maybe
you
could
work
with
plant
moran
when
they
do
the
water
budget.
F
A
F
I
think
it
is,
but
I
believe
it
can
be
used
for
this
and
whatever
it's
capital
improvements
and
whatever
we
can
use,
we
should
use
it
to
help
the
further
cost
to
all
of
us.
We're
we
pay
the
same
bills.
Everybody
else
is
paying,
so
I
just
want
the
the
administration
to
look
at
that
and
our
you
know,
plant
miranda
look
and
see
if
we
could
use
some
of
that
money
and
help
the
further
cost.
Okay,
I
mean
five
million
dollars
on
that
page
alone.
That
could
that
would
reduce
you
know.
A
But
the
only
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
for
that
money
as
a
city
and
as
administration
they
will
be
selecting
whatever
projects
are
in
their
best
interest.
Of
course,.
F
F
A
I
appreciate
it
no
problem
so
at
this
particular
point.
First
of
all,
thank
you,
martin
appreciate
it.
We're
gonna
go
ahead
and
end
the
study
session
on
water
and
sewer
and
we'll
be
going
into
the
warren
valley.
Golf
course:
presentations.
A
Madame
clerk,
we're
going
to
take
a
five
minute,
five
minute
break:
that's
okay,
yeah,
okay,
we'll
take
a
five
minute
break
and
then
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
started
all
right
before
we
begin
the
next
session.
I
want
to
give
members
of
the
audience
and
members
on
zoom
an
opportunity
to
be
able
to
ask
questions
in
regards
to
the
water
and
sewer.
So,
as
always,
I
swear
martin
and
crew.
If
you
don't
mind
we're
going
to
talk
some
more
water,
this
has
been
such
a
nice
subject.
We
want
more
of
this
stuff.
K
It's
a
fluid
subject:
yeah,
it's
fluid
subject.
A
Yeah,
I
hope
it's
more
interesting
for
you
to
talk
about
than
just
accounting
right,
more
fun,
all
right.
So
at
this
particular
point,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
bring
up
anybody
from
the
audience
that
prefers
to
speak
or
ask
a
question.
You
will
have
two
minutes
two
and
a
half
minutes
to
bring
up
you.
Okay,
three
minutes,
somebody
from
the
audience
asking
for
three
I'll,
allow
that
please
state
your
name,
yeah!
Please
state
your
name,
the
street
you
live
on.
I
I
think
you
should
have
this
memorized
in
your
case.
How.
M
M
I
believe
the
bond
was
stating
clearly
that
the
bond
money,
the
annual
bond
money,
has
to
be
paid
from
the
general
fund.
If
I'm
mistaken,
please
correct
me.
If
any
one
of
you
has
different
information,
please
correct
me
and
let
the
public
know
the
money
was
supposed
to
be
paid
around
million
dollars
from
the
general
fund.
M
Now,
my
understanding,
probably
we
don't
have
money
enough
to
pay
the
million
dollars
in
the
general
fund,
so
we
go
to
the
same
thing
which
the
previous
administration
used
to
do
anytime.
He
needed
money.
He
goes
to
the
water
fund.
He
pays
anything
in
everything
from
the
water
fund
and
that
was
the
biggest
slush
fund
in
the
city
for
the
previous
administration
and
I
hope
we're
not
going
to
do
the
same
thing.
M
A
D
So
the
water
sewer
bond
is
a
water
and
sewer
obligation
needs
to
be
paid
out
of
general
money
from
the
water
and
sewer
fund,
and
the
water
and
sewer
fund
is
supposed
to
raise
revenue
from
the
users
of
the
water
and
sewer
fund.
If
the
water
and
sewer
fund
is
not
able
to
make
the
obligation,
the
general
fund
would
have
to
step
in
and
pay
that
the
general
fund
would
bankrupt
the
general
fund
and
ultimately,
the
general
fund
money
that
comes
into
the
general
fund
or
property
taxes.
D
B
D
And
sewer
improvement
bonds
are
the
responsibility,
the
technically
of
the
water
and
sewer
fund.
B
D
A
But
but
keep
in
mind-
and
I
know
I've
had
and
I
see
where
the
hawk
has
come
from,
but
like
martin
just
mentioned,
and
some
I've
mentioned
in
the
past,
no
matter
where
you're
getting
it
from
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
initial
faucet
for
that
money
is
from
the
residents.
I
mean
you
know
no
pun
intended,
but
no
matter
what
the
residents
are
paying,
whether
they're
paying
through
those
correct
water
bill,
whether
they're
paying
it
from
you
know.
A
If
we
take
from
the,
for
example,
from
the
general
fund,
the
general
fund
is
not
out
of
my
direct
pocket
from
one
person's
pocket.
It's
money
that
was
collected
through
taxes,
so
no
matter
what
it
is
still.
Ultimately
the
residents.
It's
not
you
know
anybody
else
that
pays
it
and
what's
called
you
know,
I
I
honestly
I
I'm
speaking
as
a
resident
right
now.
I
don't
know
if
I
have
a
problem
with
it
with
whichever
phone
it's
paid
out
of,
because
either
way
it's
still
coming
out
of
my
pocket.
At
the
end.
D
Yeah,
so
one
other
item
to
note
is
so
as
noted
earlier,
the
bond
principle
and
interest
of
approximately
one
and
a
half
million
dollars
a
year
in
the
water
and
sewer
fund
in
order
to
raise
three
million
dollars
of
cash.
It's
a
representative
of
one
percent
increase
in
water
and
sewer
rates,
so
that
translates
to
the
the
water,
the
capital,
improvement,
bonds,
cost
the
residents
about
half
a
percent
of
an
increase
on
the
water
and
sewer
rates.
L
A
G
L
D
So
what
in
order
to
be
able
to
borrow
money,
so
the
general
fund
wasn't
a
deficit
situation
a
few
years
back.
I
don't
remember
the
exact
number
of
years,
but
probably
it
was
during
the
recession
when
the
property
was
brought
with
interest
and
what
happened
is
the
water?
The
general
fund
was
able
to
borrow
money
from
any
fund
that
had
any
money
and
it
did
borrow
money
from
the
water
and
sewer
fund.
I
believe
there
was
also
another
fund
or
two
that
borrowed
money
from
the
library.
D
A
L
L
Authority
to
be
tacking
us
on
to
every
city
and
if
martin
can
touch
touch
on
that,
they
give
us
a
better
insight
and
there's
a
lot
of
some
of
the
cities
are
filing
a
class
action
lawsuit
against
highland
park.
Are
we
going
to
join
that
class
action
lawsuit
because
our
tax
dollars
shouldn't
be
have
to
pay
for
their
bills?
L
H
Yeah,
it
is
everybody's
affected.
However,
the
reason
why
I
mentioned
the
central
western
wayne
is
because
we're
part
of
the
central
western
wayne
community
and
those
are
the
the
city
managers,
the
supervisors
and
the
mayors
from
that
communities
were
present
at
that
meeting
so
because
we're
part
of
the
coalition.
That's
why
we
joined
into
that
meeting.
However,
other
communities
are
involved
as
well,
but
they're,
not
part
of
the
cww,
so
there
there's
a
lawsuit
going
on
right
now.
So
it's
it's
it's
actually
again.
I
don't
want
to
bore
this.
H
It
was
about
three-hour
meeting
and
one
of
the
things
was
brought
up,
so
they
wanted
to
see
if
this,
if
the
lawsuit
could
be
well,
it's
on
a
state
level,
so
they're
wondering
because
it's
against
part
of
it's
part
of
the
state,
so
they
wanted
to
actually
go
on
a
federal
level
to
sue
the
state,
because
the
state
allowed
this
to
happen
and
they
never
intervened.
You
know
they.
Basically,
they
went
to
the
glwa,
says:
okay,
turn
the
water
on
and
boom.
They
just
disconnected.
H
They
never
intervened,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
questions
right
now.
So
there's
not
really
any
answers.
You
know
because
there
was
like.
I
said
you
know
it
was
three
hour
meeting.
I
mean
even
the
arpa
money
that
they
received.
I
think
it
was
like
34
million
dollars.
That
was
also
was
brought
up,
but
there
was
a
lot
more
questions
than
there's
answers.
So
now
there's
a
lawsuit.
It's
it's
still
pending.
You
know
that
they
they
had
a
they
thought
they
had
resolution.
H
A
Okay,
thank
you
mayor
and
we're
going
to
try
to
wrap
this
up.
Go
ahead,
sir
state
your
name
street
you
live
on,
you
have
10
seconds
speaking.
B
F
B
A
B
May
cost
us
25
million
dollars,
I
get
it
and
I'm
not
saying
we're
going
to
do
it,
but
I
just
want
the
residents
to
know.
If
we
did
have
two
meters.
Would
we
get
better
readings?
One
going
to
sewer
won't
go
in
the
water
and
we
would
have
an
understand
a
breakdown
of
exactly
what's
happening.
That's
all!
I'm
asking
I'm
just
thinking
outside
the
box
a
little
bit.
I
know
it's
expensive
and
I
know
I'm
not
saying
that
the
city
can
afford
it,
but
I'm
asking
would
it
be
more
precise
yeah
you.
N
N
Good
evening
this
question
comes
up
all
the
time.
You
know
the
argument
is
well.
I
really
like
a
green
lawn,
and
so
I'm
gonna
put
the
water
into
my
lawn
to
make
my
house
beautiful,
but
that
water
never
goes
into
the
sanitary
sewer.
Yet
I'm
getting
charged
for
sewer
based
on
the
number
of
units
of
water.
N
Here's
the
problem,
most
of
your
sewer
costs,
are
fixed.
You
have
to
have
the
same
amount
of
money
coming
out
from
your
customers
to
pay
for
sewer
treatment,
so
you
could
pay
for
a
second
meter,
an
irrigation
meter
to
measure
outside
water
usage,
and
you
would
then
pay
for
less
units
of
sewer
coming
out
of
your
house.
N
So
everyone
is
going
to
still
have
an
increase
in
their
sewer
rate.
There
will
be
a
pocket
of
people
here
and
there
that
it
works
out
for
based
on
the
volume
and
it's
strictly
a
mathematic
exercise
at
that
point:
okay,
but
most
other
communities
once
they
realize.
Oh,
we
have
to
raise
sewer
even
more
and
we
have
to
pay
for
the
second
meters
to
go
on
the
houses
they
usually
back
away
from
the
project.
Well,.
B
K
A
Okay,
thank
you,
councilman
anybody
else
from
the
audience
with.
If
there's
nobody
in
the
audience,
I'm
gonna
go
to
zoom
nobody
else
in
the
audience.
One.
Two:
three:
none:
okay,
ma'am
clerk,
anybody
on
anybody
from
the
audience,
if
somebody's
in
the
audience
come
on
up
anybody
on
zoom
man.
Up
close,
I.
A
O
Ahead
good
evening,
hassan
saab,
john
daly
gerber
heights,
referring
to
councilman
by
doing
his
question
about
it,.
B
O
To
consummate,
by
doing
this
question
about
the
second
meter,
I
own
a
house
on
novi.
It
has
two
meters
one's
just
built
directly
for
the
sprinkler
system
and
the
other
one's
built
for
sewage
and
water,
and
to
consummate
wind
sols
that
it's
going
to
be
astronomical
or
some
crazy
amount
to
plummet.
That's
false,
because
that
the
only
the
only
thing
that
meter
connects
to
is
a
line
was
going
outside.
O
We're
talking
about
the
the
meters
are
designed
strictly
for
sprinklers
and
if
you
have
a
spigot
outside
it's
connected
the
pipe
the
leads
connected
to
it,
which
brings
that
question
up
to
my
house.
I
have
almost
a
half
acre
in
front
of
my
house
that
here
in
dearborn
heights,
that
I
I
water
my
lawn
three
four
times
a
day,
the
rates
are
awful
yeah.
I
got
the
bus
lawn
in
the
neighborhood.
I.
F
I'll
I'll
I'll
I'll
debate
that
I'm.
O
O
F
F
Real
quick,
I
brought
this
up
years
ago
about
having
a
separate
meter
to
water
lawns
with
okay.
It
was
shot
down
by
mayor
paletko,
saying
it
wouldn't
be
fair
to
my
next
door
neighbor
if
they
couldn't
afford
to
put
a
water
meter
on
okay.
I
got
two
electric
meters
on
my
house.
Does
that
mean
my
second
electric
meter
needs
to
come
off
because
my
next
door
neighbor
can't
afford
to
put
one
on.