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From YouTube: Dearborn Heights Study Session 12/17/19
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Dearborn Heights Study Session regarding the Water & Sewer Rate Analysis with Plante Moran, taking place December 17th 2019.
A
B
What
entailed
and
overall
the
results
and
the
results,
I'll
kind
of
go
back
into
a
little
bit
more
details
later
on,
feel
free
to
stop
me
if
you
have
any
questions
or
anything
or
if
you
like,
to
discuss
anything
in
more
detail
throughout
so
first
item
the
letter
itself.
It
talks
about
the
procedures.
I
do
want
to
comment
that
these
are
not
plant.
Moran's
numbers
does
not
play
Moran's
calculation.
B
What
it
would
call
for
is
about
a
six
point:
three
percent
water
and
sewer
rate
increase
next
year,
so
with
that,
what
I
wanted
to
do
is
kind
of
go
through
what
the
impact
would
be.
So
if
we're
looking
at
an
average
bimonthly
residential
building,
it's
about
ten
dollars
every
two
months
there
would
that
bills
would
go
up
for
the
residence
for
a
minimal.
The
minimum
bimonthly
residential
bill
would
be
about
a
little
bit
less
than
six
dollars
per
every
two
months.
B
So
with
that
or
I'm
sorry
about
six
percent,
and
then
it
would
be
a
little
bit
less
than
three
dollars.
That's
for
residential
for
residential,
so
the
residential,
the
minimum
bill
would
go
up
a
little
bit
less
than
three
dollars
and
then
the
average
monthly
bill
would
go
up
around
ten
dollars.
Weight
trim
did
send
out.
They
provided
me
with
a
spreadsheet
today,
and
I
did
patent
along
this
extra
sheet
of
paper
to
you
as
well
what
they
did
instead
of
by
just
looking
at
the
average
bimonthly
bill.
B
They
wanted
to
make
sure
that
everybody
is
aware
of
what
the
total
impact
would
be
on
an
annual
basis
to
the
residence
and
for
a
minimum
bill.
If
we
go
all
the
way
to
the
right
on
the
spreadsheet,
the
increase
would
be
about
seventeen
dollars
a
year
and
for
the
average
bill,
which
consumption
of
about
ten
point,
five
thousand
gallons
would
be
about
sixty
dollars
a
year.
So
I
can
just
kind
of
magnify
the
impact
of
what
it
would
be
on
an
annual
basis.
B
Thank
you.
That's
the
site.
The
projection
is
a
five-year
projection.
Instead
of
just
looking
at
a
snapshot
of
one
year
window
or
to
your
window,
it
is
a
five
year
plan
to
see
what
the
capital
outlay
needs
are
and
what
the
projections
for
revenues
and
other
expenses
are,
and
at
the
end
of
the
five
year
period,
the
cash
needs
for
the
city
are
estimated
around
seven
million
dollars.
B
What
that
consists
of
is
about
90
days
worth
of
operations,
so
in
order
to
keep
the
lights
on
to
keep
the
bills
being
paid,
any
organization
needs
a
certain
amount
of
cash
on
hand.
Usually
the
estimate
is
around
90
days.
It
does
take
a
while
to
collect
your
receivables,
the
water
bills,
etc.
So,
in
order
to
have
to
be
able
to
sustain
our
cash
flow,
you
need
about
90
days
worth
of
cash.
It
also
includes
emergency
repairs
and
capital
replacement
and
then
another
just
other
reserves
for
flooding
and
other
knees.
B
So
just
to
quantify
the
90
days
of
four
operating
expenses,
the
cash
is
needed
about
four
point:
three
million
dollars,
the
emergency
repair
capital
replacements,
another
2.2
million,
and
then
the
other
reserve
is
five
hundred
thousand,
which
adds
up
to
that
seven
million
dollars
that
I
mentioned.
So
that
is
the
goal
to
have
in
that
fund
in
the
cash
account
in
the
water
and
sewer
fund
about
seven
million
dollars
in
operations.
I
know
it
seems
like
a
large
number,
but
it
is
a
very
large
operation
as
well
for
the
residents
come
on.
Sir
councilman.
B
The
one
item
that
is
not
on
this
model,
but
we
looked
at
if
you
were
able
to
shave
down
about
three
million
dollars
worth
of
expenses
in
this
model,
it
saves
you
about
one
percent
increase
in
the
rate,
so
the
six
point,
three
percent
rate
that's
generated
right
now,
if
your,
if
the
council
of
the
city
is
able
to
shave
down
some
expenses
by
about
three
million
dollars,
it
reduces
that
six
point.
Three
percent
increase
to
about
five
point:
three
percent.
C
B
B
The
same
thing,
if
you
were
able
to
if,
if
you're
looking
at
the
reserve-
and
you
know
instead
of
seven
million
the
city
said-
you
know
what
we
only
need-
four
million
dollars
to
operate
on-
that
reduces
that
increase
to
five
point
three
percent
versus
six
point
three
and
then
of
course,
some
expenses.
If
you're
able
to
shave
down
some
expenses,
certain
things
that
rate
can
change
depending
on
what
happens
to
what
the
approval
is
for
the
expenses.
So
this
is
just
purely
a
recommendation.
B
Page
pages
2
through
4,
our
overall
assumptions
made
in
the
model.
Some
of
the
key
assumptions
that
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
water
loss
projected
is
about
11%
per
year,
so
the
water
that
the
city
purchases
in
order
to
sell
to
their
residents.
Unfortunately,
if
you
sell
approximately,
let's
just
say
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
worth
of
water,
that
means
you
prep.
You
essentially
had
to
buy
about
110
111
thousand
dollars
worth
of
water,
because
there's
water
losses
in
the
in
the
water
mains.
B
F
E
In
general,
most
other
cities
every
time
I've
looked
at
they
have
had
like
I
and
I
thought
manatee
seems
I
lovin
percent
is
a
lot
nice
in
my,
at
least
in
my
mind,
that's
a
lot
of
water
loss,
so
I'm
trying
to
get
that
comparison
to
get
a
little
bit
of
better
perspective
as
compared
to
most
other
cities.
Provided
it's
not
a
brand
new
city.
They
just
started
from
scratch.
It's
almost
of
the
older
cities.
What
does
the
average
out
to
be
in
most
other
cities?
I?
Don't.
B
Of
times
the
age
of
the
infrastructure,
agent
of
the
infrastructure
plays
a
very
large
role.
Yes,
water
meters
play
out
there
I'm,
not
an
engineer
by
any
means,
but
my
understanding
is
the
water
meters
play
a
very
large
role
as
well,
because
the
older
the
water
meter,
the
less
accurate
it
is,
and
actually
charges
for
less
units
versus
the
accurate
number
should.
B
H
I
J
B
So,
in
someone's
assumption
number
four:
it's
on
page
three
of
the
spreadsheet,
the
commodity
charge
from
Great
Lakes,
Water
Authority.
So
in
2019
the
rate
was
694
in
2020.
The
letter
has
already
been
received.
It's
going
to
be
seven
dollars
and
thirty
four
cents.
So
it's
almost
a
six
percent
increase.
B
B
So
those
are
the
kind
of
expenses
that
I
mentioned
on
the
chart
here
in
bullet
number,
two
that
there's
a
lot
of
fixed
costs
that
are
beyond
your
control
and
it's
essentially
a
you
know.
If
you're
in
your
household
and
your
mortgage,
just
skyrocketed
by
you
know
either
five
percent
or
if
your
income
doesn't
change.
That
means
you're
using
up
your
savings.
If
your
mortgage
increased
thirty
percent,
most
people
would
be
in
a
lot
of
trouble
at
that
point.
So
something
has
to
give.
B
Hopefully
you
can
work
some
overtime
or
something
L
to
generate
a
little
bit
more
revenue.
That's
so
that's
the
kind
of
assumption.
That's
that's!
What's
being
built
into
this
model,
so
without
a
change
in
the
rates
the
water
sewer
fund
is
absorbing
that
cost
and
your
cash
balance
is
gonna,
be
depleted
over
time.
As
a
result.
That's
again,
that's
without
any
increases
or
decreases.
Then
the
rates
and.
G
B
You
from
what
I've
seen
so
far
with,
for
example,
with
Great
Lakes
Water
Authority,
the
rates
are
more
predictable
and
the
increases
are
more
predictable
than
they
have
been
in
the
past
with
the
city
of
Detroit.
So
that's
a
little
bit
more
comforting
because
you
can't
built
it
better
into
your
model
without
the
significant
jumps
and
things
like
that.
Isn't.
L
D
That
was
at
that
sewer
increase.
That's
for
all
the
waste
disposal
in
that
storm,
right
yeah.
So,
whatever
you
use,
you
get
sanity
charge
you're
getting
charged,
see
that's
the
the
complaint
that
people
get,
people
watered
or
long
and
water
goes
back
into
the
ground
and
it's
sewage
is
not
being
used,
but
people
are
getting
charged
for
sewage
and
myself.
I
argue
that
point
I
want
to
water.
My
lawn
I
want
to
water
flowers.
Water
does
not
go
down
the
drain.
I
So
the
city
buys
its
water
and
assumes
disposals
based
on
his
water
purchase,
so
there's
no
way
to
really
hot
a
big
deduct
right,
so
any
water
you
want
to
beat
up
that
from
your
bill,
but
on
the
wholesale
level
we
buy
the
water
from
the
water
authority,
honored
units
and
the
disposal
site
charges
for
a
hundred
units
of
the
sponsor.
It's
not
based
off
wars,
I.
D
I
G
G
D
G
B
What
happened
so
if,
if
there
was
only
let's
just
say,
one
resident
in
the
community
that
had
separate
bills
as
separate
meters,
one
for
the
house
and
one
for
the
lawn
that
resident
yesterday
would
save
money
by
having
two
separate
meters,
because
one
would
not
pay
in
the
sewage
disposal
and
the
other
one
would.
However,
if
you
had,
everybody
have
the
two
meters,
your
sewer,
the
lawn
sprinkler.
You
would
not
get
charged
for
the
sewage,
but
your
rates
would
be
a
lot
higher.
B
A
D
I
H
I
H
I
Maybe
feeding
a
lot
of
the
newer
communities
that
have
heavy
irrigation,
you
know
probably
the
ones
that
have
that
kind
of
abilities.
Some
of
them
will
have
supper,
meet
up
a
little
subdivision.
They
irrigate
that
way
in
the
counter
places
things
like
that
I
know
it
was:
are
they
pushing
the
nineties
or
so
to
get
that
separation?
But
look
that
you.
I
H
Charging
it
because
we
got
big
freedom,
do
something,
but
I
was
asked
by
someone
that
this
is
over
a
summer
if
they
could
have
the
city
come
out
and
and
look
at
the
swimming
pool
and
calculate
how
many
gallons
that
was
the
fill,
a
swimming
pool
up
and
deduct
that
from
their
bill,
I
mean
because
not
people
used
to
just
fill
swimming
pool.
That's
a
lot
of
water
I
missing
a
hundred
dollars
worth
of
water
150.
I
D
I
B
B
B
Salaries
are
per
page
thirteen
in
the
model,
but
that's
just
based
on
the
budget
based
on
what
your
needs
are
in
the
staff
level
that
you
have
capital
outlay
is
on
a
originally
provided
on
a
separate
sheet,
but
it's
in
this
packet
that
I
passed
out
today,
it's
in
the
very
last
sheet
and
that's
the
capital
outlay
request
list.
That's
been
provided
by
John
Stone
me
as
well
as
wait,
trim
and
in
the
water
and
sewage
expense
line
items
the
expenses
that
you
paid
to
third
parties
for
the
water,
as
well
as
the
sewage
expenses.
B
Those
are
calculated
based
on
subsequent
pages
in
the
model
and
then
the
debt
payments.
Those
are
actual
debt
payments
based
on
the
debt.
That's
currently
out,
stating
at
the
water
and
sewer
fund.
Any
debt
that's
expected
to
be
issued
has
not
built
into
this
on
page
nine,
but
we
do
have
a
separate
line
item
the
CSO
improvements
and
meter
replacement
levy,
that's
expected
to
occur,
and
that
would
be
about
1.1
million
dollars
per
year
if
that
levy.
B
So
that's
built
into
the
model
putting
out
on
page
nine,
because
a
page
nine
only
shows
what's
actually
outstanding
right
now
and
then
just
as
a
wrap-up
I'm
gonna
kind
of
fest
forward
through
on
this,
the
last
page
of
the
template
is
shows
what
the
fixed
costs
are,
as
well
as
the
variable
costs.
The
reason
for
this,
it
just
shows
you,
what's
essentially
in
control
by
the
city
of
what
you
can
adjust
and
adjust
in
the
budget,
etc.
B
B
So
in
2019
the
actual
data
was
a
seventy,
eight
percent
was
fixed,
then
some
years
fluctuate,
the
plus
or
minus
I
would
say
on
the
average
you're
about
seventy
five.
Seventy
six
percent,
something
fixed
so
stated
earlier.
This
model
does
project
out
that
six
point
three
six
point
six
point
three
two
percent
increase.
However,
it
is
subject
to
analysis.
B
C
B
B
Actually,
the
rates
would
have
been
in
this
model
projected
to
be
even
higher
and
said
that
six
point
five
percent
should
have
been
seven
point,
eight
percent,
but
this
model
calls
for
using
that
CSO
over
level
is
rate.
So
if
you
weren't
utilizing
that,
instead
of
having
that
five
percent
increase,
you
would
have
had
approximately
78%
increase.
The
good
news
quote-unquote
is
that
the
rates
this
model
is
driven
off
of
June
30
2019
financial
data,
so
you're
only
missing
six
months
worth
of
and
I
guess
the
cash.
B
E
I
had
a
question
for
director
sell
me
and
I
know
you
gave
us
some
projection
about
a
month
and
a
half
back
or
so
much
that's
up
that
solve
it,
but
just
at
least
for
the
residents
they're
not
familiar
with
this
much
major
capital
outlay
projects
you
have
coming
up
and
I.
Remember
the
amount
right
every
set:
seven
million
murmured
about
being
evenly
a
little
bit
more
than
that,
especially
when
you
project
out
over
five
years
and
what
things
can
we
do
as
far
as
sharpening
our
pencils?
I
I
I
We
kind
of
say
this,
but
we're
kind
of
a
road
became
difficult
right
right,
I
mean
it
says
it's
coming
back,
so
we
really
gotta.
You
know,
unfortunately,
you
know
being
more
proactive
which
ultimately,
you
know
needs
to
rate
increases.
But
as
we
better
manage
the
system,
we
control
our
water
loss,
which
is
a
big
thing
right.
So
for
some.
K
Katzman,
if
I
might
suggest
one
thing
that
I
think
we
should
strongly
look
at
I
know
a
lot
of
you
thought
we
should
have
brought
that
fake,
endures,
awarded
lovely
to
you
earlier
in
March,
but
that
helps
reduce
significantly
the
rates
that
the
taxpayers
are
paying.
Now
before
the
meeting
Martin
I
talked
about
I
think
there's
a
year,
maybe
two
at
best
left
on
that,
but
it
may
be.
K
It
may
make
more
sense,
as
the
people
will
see
a
reduction
in
their
taxes,
that
we
asked
them
to
bond
some
of
those
projects
and
therefore
help
reduce
the
amount
of
rate
increase
to
the
consumer,
but
it
would
be
paid
by
the
taxpayer.
I
mean
the
bills.
Still
there
I
mean
yeah,
but
it
makes
a
difference
that
if
I'm,
if
I,
know
I'm
paying
on
my
tax
bill,
that
I
got
a
pay
very
shortly.
It
went
up
like
three
bucks,
so
it's
like
$750
for
my
house.
K
I
I
L
I
Acts,
unfortunately,
the
Rouge
Valley
system.
Hopefully
that
was
just
a
one-time
thing-
that
we
can
get
back
on
track
with
that
and
where
the
rate
increases
our
study,
because
that
sewage
disposal,
the
Water
Authority
and
they
have
also
on
the
suicides
trying
to
minimize
that
rates.
I
come
down
to
and
trying
to
flatten
those
rigs
out.
Sure
councilman.
C
D
I
L
I
G
D
I
I
Then
one
of
the
other
things
is
about
capital.
We
have
increased
the
sewer
lining
and
a
portion
of
the
capital,
because
it
wasn't
great.
There
was
something
the
private
budgets
that
I've
seen,
but
now
that
we've
got
a
new
contractor
on
board
a
lot
of
issues
with
the
servers
that
need
to
be
line.
So
you
need
to
be
very
mindful
not
just
the
water
side,
but
also
the
sewer
side,
which
we,
you
know
experience
a
lot
from
time
to
time.
You
know
we
need
to
do
a
better
job.
H
H
H
I
H
B
D
J
I
J
Then
Martin,
if
we're
doing
separate
metering,
that
a
big
user
like
a
car
wash
that
recycles
the
water,
the
homeowner
is
subsidizing
that
carwash
to
an
extent
aren't
they
because
they're
that
carwash
gets
a
drop
in
their
rates,
where
normally
they'd
be
paying
the
full
sewer
costs
for
that
water
coming
in.
But
if
they,
if
it's
separately
metered,
they
don't
right.
B
K
Might
alert
you
that
when
I
first
came
on
the
council
in
the
beach
daily
quarter,
we
had
a
Pepsi
Cola
bottling
plant
and
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
did
not
want
to
look
at
a
secondary
pipe,
because
the
Pepsi
was
final
ton
of
water
in
the
city.
And
it
was
going
in
bottles.
And
they
came
here
and
argued
that
they
should
have
a
separate
meter
because
they
were
not
disposing
of
very
much
of
that
water.
Just
for
the
cleaning
and
some
maintenance
stuff.
K
J
G
G
B
D
E
And
I
don't
have
a
survey
or
an
accountant.
They
had
done
this,
but
on
a
consistent
basis,
I
hear
in
my
business
and
I've
said
this
before
and
I'll
say
it
again.
If
the
rates
are
pretty
much
the
same
across
the
board
towards
most
cities,
why
is
it
that
I
consistently
hear
that
the
rates
in
different
heights
for
their
water-
and
this
is
from
people
moving
in
from
many
different
cities
almost
consistently?
And
again?
E
It's
not
a
formal
survey
where
people
say
it's
way
higher
than
other
cities
that
they've
lived
in,
and
you
also
get
that
especially
you
especially
get
that
with
renters.
Where
they've
been
you
know,
they've
bounced
around
from
different
cities.
In
the
last
5-10
years
and
they've
consistently
said
we
have
higher
rates
than
others.
If
the
charges
by
the
Water
Authority
money
is
pretty
much
just
about
the
same
for
most
cities,
why
is
ours
at
least
based
on
what
people
say?
I'm
not
saying
it's
factual,
but
I'm
asking
you
higher
than
others.
So.
B
First
of
all,
it's
very
hard
to
compare
rates
between
communities
and
the
reason
for
that
is:
there's
certain
communities
that
do
more
in
property
taxes
that
some
taxes
cover
some
of
the
expenses
of
the
water
and
sewer
fund.
Some
communities
have
a
lot
more
than
others.
So,
therefore,
if
somebody
generates
a
considerable
amount
of
revenue
from
property
taxes,
the
water
sewer
rates
are
relatively
low.
B
At
that
point,
the
other
thing
too,
is
it
depends
on
the
age
of
the
system,
so
you
may
have
a
lot
more
costs
involved
here
versus
some
other
communities
again
depends
on
the
community
that
someone
lives
and,
to
be
honest,
every
where
I
work
with
and
I
work
with
quite
a
few
communities.
Everybody
says
that
they
have
the
highest
water
bill
and
water.
That's
an
impossibility,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
because
I
have
the
highest.
B
That's
kind
of
its
when
you
receive
a
bill
at
home,
you're
always
going
to
question
it.
You're
always
gonna
think
it's!
You
know.
Yours
is
worse
than
somebody
else's
I,
just
I
have
that
just
general
experience
with
working
with
different
communities,
and
everybody
is
saying
that
with
looking
at
the
water
and
sewer
rates
here,
comparing
to
some
of
your
neighbors
etc,
honestly
you're
in
the
mix,
so
it
just
depends
I
guess
where
someone's
moving
from.
E
Person
sometimes
our
with
our
60
day,
water
bills
and
and
actually
one
that
comes
up.
A
lot
is
Tier
one.
A
new
one
has
a
90
day
water
bill,
and
yet
people
say
it's
higher,
but
at
same
time,
when
you
factor
in
the
fact
that
were
only
60
days
versus
they're
90
days,
that
would
make
it
drastically
higher
or
these
potentially
drastically
higher,
because
if
you
took
ours
and
probably
they're
over
90
days
like
theirs
is
it
would
be
drastically
higher
we're
only
paying
for
60
days.
E
But
yet
people
say
consist
I'm
I'm
telling
I've
heard
this
now,
once
or
twice
or
three
times,
I've
consistently
heard
it
that
our
water
bills
or
their
water
bills
are
higher
than
other
cities
and
in
dr1
it
is
mentioned
a
lot
but
yeah
in
Dearborn
their
bill
there.
Now
they,
you
know
the
customer
moving
in
and
saying
their
water
bills
higher
now,
but
it's
only
for
60
days.
If
you
pour,
you
add
another
third
it'd
be
even
higher
and
again
I.
Don't
know
if
that's
just.
G
And
Dearborn
and
uber
heights
were
pretty
close
but
again,
like
Martin,
said
some
some
communities,
some
of
those
expenses
on
taxes,
all
right
and
truly
the
further
west.
You
go
it's
more
expensive
and
I
can
show
you
those
numbers.
If
you
live
out
in
the
western
suburbs
because
they
are
charged
more
because
the
water
has
to
get
pumped
further
and
their
elevation
change.
Okay,
so
living
in
Campton,
Northfield
Township.
G
G
You
can
I'll
share
it
with
you.
I
can
go
through
the
math
with
you,
but
some
communities
are
two
months.
Three
months
you
know
some
bill
at
a
thousand
gallons
is
a
unit
some
as
hundred
feet,
a
thousand
cubic
feet
so
there's
different
units.
But
typically,
if
you
look
at
your
water
bill,
typically
a
average
person
uses
about
forty
to
fifty
gallons
a
day.
So
if
you
look
at
the
number
of
units,
it's
in
your
water
bill,
which
is
100
cubic
feet,
shake
the
number
of
units
that
you
have
on
your
bill.
G
Multiply
it
by
750
that
to
give
you
how
many
gallons
you
use
divided
by
the
number
of
days,
so
that's
how
many
gallons
per
day
and
how
many
people
are
in
your
house
and
then
you
see
how
much
you're
using
per
day
is
typically
without
any
outside
use.
So
please
look
at
a
winter
bill.
Typically,
if
a
person
uses
40
to
50
gallons
a
day,
has
that
reach
typical?
So
take
your
number
of
units
multiplied
by
750
gallons,
divided
by
the
number
of
days
of
the
bill,
usually
60,
sometimes
or
fifty-six,
sometimes
or
65.
G
So
you
have
to
look
at
the
dates,
so
I
know
how
many
gallons
per
day
you
use
divided
by
the
number
of
people
in
your
household
and
see
what
that
number
is
now.
That
number
comes
up
to
be
in
the
wintertime,
80
gallons
per
person.
You
potentially
could
have
a
leak.
You
could
have
a
white
eyelet
leaking
all
right,
but
if
your
calculation
is
around
40
or
50
gallons
per
person
per
day,
thank
you
be
a
typical
bill.
40.
B
G
Up
now,
seniors,
probably
you
know
you
only
shower
every
other
day
it
is
long,
but
so
we
and
you
can
you
can
do
the
math.
If
you
take
the.
If
you
take
the
typical
winter
usage,
it's
the
entire
city
and
divide
it
by
the
number
of
counts.
Your
number
is
around
45
to
50
gallons
a
day.
So
as
an
average
for
the
city,
that's
per
person
or
per
household
per
person.
L
G
B
You
know
one
comment
to
add:
just
as
you're
mentioning
the
water
users
per
day,
the
chart
you
provided
earlier,
it
shows
for
the
average
bill
you,
the
resident
pays
two
dollars
and
64
cents
per
day
for
water
to
pay
only
that
amount
for
that,
many
gallons.
It
seems
pretty
remarkable
I'm,
not
saying
that
also
justifies
you
know,
whatever
the
rates
are
etcetera,
but
if
you
think
about
it,
the
quality
of
the
water
that
you
got
residents
receive
for
two
dollars
and
sixty
cents
on
an
average
bill,
pretty
remarkable.
G
H
G
K
D
H
K
I
I
C
I
I
I
My
hope
would
be
that
we
could
have
that
fine
sale,
wide
Opena
treasurer's
here
I
think
his
background,
his
knowledge
of
I'm
sales
and
stuff,
like
that
I'm
making
a
lot
easier
transition
for
us
for
a
water
fund
and
for
the
city
going
forward.
That
would
be
something
else
that
would
have
a
question
about.
Obviously,
we'd
have
to
finalize
those
numbers.
Come
back
to
council
get
agreement
and.
C
D
I
I
I
I
I
So
the
less
service
line
was
a
big
capital
item,
but
that's
in
this
1920
budget.
If
the
council
does
approve
this,
then
our
goal
is
to
turn
around
and
get
fit
out
to
go
up
a
bit.
Look
at
a
couple
to
three
contractors
to
get
these
services
replaced
this
winter
before
spring
comes
so
just
something
that
we're
thinking
and
that
that
is
that's
what
you
see
pretty
quickly
and.
I
A
J
F
F
B
I'm,
a
little
confused
by
the
question.
Essentially,
the
model
is
what
we've
discussed
earlier
today.
It's
based
on
the
expenses
that
are
projected
for
the
next
five
years,
the
needs
of
the
city.
What
the
cash
balance
needs
to
be
after
a
five
year
period
in
order
to
keep
the
fund
afloat
in
that
in
bankruptcy,
essentially
or
with
cash
from.
F
B
From
a
year
over
year,
to
be
honest,
it's
relatively
close
I've
been
involved
with
the
city.
Personally,
I
would
estimate
probably
around
ten
years,
and
it's
pretty
accurate.
It
depends
on
the
largest
component.
That's
the
variability.
Is
the
capital
outlay,
that's
needed
by
the
city
and
depending
on
what's
approved
by
the
city
and
how
fast
you're
able
to
have
the
contractors
in
place.
Sometimes
those
expenses
go
between
two
years,
but
overall,
overall
you're,
very
accurate,
alright
I.
D
K
B
Potentially
the
city
was
not
able
to
bond
for
those
specific
purposes,
but
I
believe
even
now,
if
you
wanted
to
bond
for
the
OPA
I
believe
you
could
I,
don't
know
that
a
hundred
percent
but
I
believe
you
could,
because
those
thresholds
changed.
But
the
water
sewer
fund
and,
for
example,
of
the
general
fund
unit,
depend
for
something
as
well.
I
believe
you'd
be
talking
fully
fine
and.