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From YouTube: Dearborn Heights Study Session: 12/8/20
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Dearborn Heights Study Session regarding the Van Born Corridor Project and the CSO Basin Maintenance taking place Tuesday, December 8th 2020 via Zoom.
A
B
Oh
hi
thanks
so
just
really
quick
to
introduce
it
for
the
council,
as
requested
previously
when
we
discussed
the
vanborn
project
committee,
I
know
there's
some
questions
about
participation
from
the
city
of
taylor,
so
we've
arranged
to
invite
the
mayor
of
taylor
and
members
of
their
economic
development
team
here
this
evening
to
discuss
with
you.
We
also
have
members
of
our
steering
committee
for
the
vanborn
project
on
so
everybody's
here.
To
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
concerns.
C
C
Members
of
city
council
were
not
interested
in
proceeding
with
the
some
of
the
improvements
or
potential
improvements
to
the
vanborn
road
corridor.
So
we
brought
in
a
couple
of
members
of
our
economic
development
team.
I
believe
our
city
council,
chairman
tim
wooley,
is
also
on
the
call,
but
I
guess
just
to
keep
it
somewhat
short
and
sweet.
The
city
of
taylor
is
very
much
still
interested
in
working
in
a
partnership
with
the
city
of
dearborn
heights
to
make
some
necessary
improvements
to
vanborn
road.
I
think
we
were.
C
E
Okay?
No,
I
my
sentiments
are
exactly
with
the
mayor.
I've
talked
to
multiple
council
members,
we're
all
on
board.
We
have
been
from
the
get-go,
you
know
we
unders,
we
were
you
know
under
the
standing,
there
were
some
possible
shortfalls
with
funding
and
all
that
stuff,
but
you
know
I
can.
I
I've
spoke
to
a
couple
council
members
today,
myself
included,
we
would
love
to
continue
this
program,
our
project
and
with
definitely
open
arms.
E
A
F
F
This
started
in
early
17,
if
not
16,
and
we're
still
no
further
today,
at
least
visually
to
the
average
resident
than
we
were
back
then,
and
I
think
it's
just
wrong
personally,
we
in
dublin
heights
have
always
been
accused
of
not
taking
care
of
the
south
heights
as
good
as
the
north
heights.
I
don't
believe
in
and
I
believe
all
of
our
council
members
don't
believe
in
that.
So
I
was
really
excited
about
this.
F
The
fact
that
the
the
residents
in
the
south
heights
are
going
to
get
some
major
improvements,
much
needed
improvements
on
the
road
such
as
vanborn,
and
we
here
we
are
four
years
later
still
in
the
you
know,
planning
stages
and
not
one
thing
at
least
visually.
If
I
was
a
resident
driving
by
has
changed
so
I
don't
know
who
could
answer
this,
but
they
put
up.
G
G
Now
I
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
be
able
to
fund
that
if
it's
probably
a
higher
amount
today,
since
our
first
few
meetings
that
we
had,
I
just
don't
understand
where
we're
gonna
get
the
money
from
and
if
the,
if
it's
a
million
and
a
half,
is
it
a
million
and
a
half
for
each
city,
which
would
be
three
million
dollars?
Or
is
it
a
million
and
a
half
split
two
ways?
G
G
A
H
H
But
what
we're
talking
here,
it's
going
to
take
steps
and,
what's
in
front
of
the
council
now,
is
we're
trying
to
do
some
of
the
short-term
goals
and
working
on
the
the
overlay
district
and
work
on
the
zoning
work
on
the
ordinance.
So
the
two
communities
have
consistent
planning
tools
to
move
it
forward.
I
G
That's
really
not
my
my
that's
that's
good
for
one
part,
but
the
funding
part
of
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
per
mile,
and
is
that
going
to
be
divided
in
half
or
is
it
put
together
or
what
is
it
a
million
and
a
half
per
city?
Is
it
million
and
a
half
split
two
ways
and
again:
where
is
the
money
going
to
come
from?
Well.
G
Spend
money
if
we
can't
afford
to
go
ahead
with
the
project
I
mean
before
we
pour
money
into
engineering
and
then
don't
do
the
project.
I
don't
know
what
we're
going
to
pay.
Wait,
trim
to
do
all
this
engineering
and
all
of
a
sudden
we
come
up
and
say:
well,
we
don't
have
the
money
to
fund
the
project.
Well,
there's
money,
good
money,
throwing
it
bad.
So
you
know
we
need
to
find
out
if
we're
going
to
be
able
to
afford
this
project.
H
H
B
Yes,
I
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
clarify
back
to
the
point
dan
made.
There
were
the
short-term
goals,
midterm
goals,
long-term
goals,
basically
think
of
it
as
phases,
we're
at
phase
one,
only
the
road
stuff
that
that's
the
far-off
phase.
Yet
we
have
to
take
kind
of
the
baby
steps
first
and
then
we'd
come
up
with
ideas
of
funding
and
whatnot
for
the
roads
and
kind
of
tackle
that
project
later,
but
there's
kind
of
the
low-hanging
fruit
here
of
ordinances
and
whatnot
that
were
discussed
that
we
can.
B
We
can
tackle
now
what
we're
saying
now
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
the
road
later.
These
are
other
aspects
of
of
the
project
that
we
can
take
care
of
easily
and
quickly,
but
the
concern
is
there
for
the
road.
Definitely
there
is
a
concern
that
you
know
the
funding
issues
and
whatnot
that
all
have
to
be
tackled,
but
this
these
are
kind
of
separate
but
related
in
a
way.
A
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
I
I
have
the
same
concern
as
brought
up
with
the
funding,
but
also
I'm
a
little
confused.
You
know,
I
don't
know
if
you
remember
a
few
years
back
when
they,
when
this
project
came
in
front
of
us,
they
didn't
have
the
different
phases.
You
know
phase
one
two
and
three
or
they
have
like
three
choices.
You
know
which
choice
we
want
to
go
with,
and
so
with
that,
obviously
there
was
money
spent
to
get
those
proposals.
J
So
why
are
we
doing
it
again?
Is
that
the
same
thing?
I
I'm
I'm
a
little
confused
that
you
know
when
it
was
presented
to
us.
It
was
presented
in
a
different
way
and
now
we're
saying
that
we
need
something.
We
need
funding
for
phase
one
or
pre-phase
one,
I'm
I'm
I'm
a
little
confused.
I
don't
know
if
we're
paying
for
this
twice.
B
Yeah
councilman
there's
a
good
question.
I
think
maybe
there's
some
misconceptions
out
there,
that
first
phase
that
we
talked
about
a
couple
years
ago.
What
we
were
doing,
then,
that
was
the
public
engagement
phase.
We
met
with
residents
and
officials,
and
so
a
few
of
you
were
there
where
that
was
the
phase
where
we
were
asking
the
residents
of
the
two
cities.
What
do
you
want
to
see
on
vanborn
road?
What
would
you
like?
B
What
do
you
prefer,
and
that
was
all
conceptual
stuff
that
was
come
up
with
the
proposals,
the
kind
of
as
to
what
to
go
for
as
a
goal?
That's
what
that
was
now
coming
back.
It's
not
that
we're
coming
back
with
the
same
thing
again
we're
coming
back
with
the
next
step.
Okay,
let's
start
to
implement
some
of
these
steps
like
ordinance.
B
The
ordinance
and
the
zoning
is,
is
the
first
step
that
we
have
to
take
before
tackling
the
road
issue
and
stuff,
but
that
stuff
that
was
done
before
was
was
all
conceptual
work.
Public
engagement,
getting
the
residents
feedback,
and
so
what
you
saw
in
those
proposals
were
things
that
were
developed
by
wade,
trim
to
say,
based
on
what
we
learned
from
the
public
and
from
the
city
officials.
These
are
some
concepts
that
we
can
work
towards
in
the
future.
B
J
B
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
cydia
taylor,
mayor
and
council.
Thank
you
very
much
for
attending
one
key
thing:
anybody
who's
familiar
with
fanborne,
I'm
sure
knows
the
drainage
on
van
bourne.
What
what
seems
to
happen
over
years
is
that
the
the
road
is
crowned
and
then
there
really
aren't
enough
sewers
on
the
road,
and
so
the
water
collects
it
freezes
it
thaws
and
the
asphalt
breaks
up
right
at
the
apron
to
the
driveways
of
the
businesses.
H
But
again,
that's
that's
the
the
long-term
goal
and
and
the
design
of
the
road
with
discussions
with
wayne,
county
and
and
the
two
cities
you
know,
will
make
the
determination
what
what
that
cross
section's
gonna
look
like
we've
got.
We
need
to
really
like
we
talk
work
on
working
on
the
zoning
ordinances.
You
start
making
the
the
businesses
spruce
up
a
little
bit.
You
know,
get
new
facades,
you
start
putting
some
energy
in
this
corridor.
H
K
H
You
can
you
you
can
do
some
landscaping,
that's
independent
of
the
road
improvements,
but
I
wouldn't
do
a
lot.
I
would
not
do
a
lot
of
hardscape
behind
the
curb
you
know,
but
if
there's
some
tree
planting,
you
know
some
benches
if
you
want
to
put
in
some
respite
areas,
but
you
really
to
make
make
the
biggest
improvement
now
is
work
on
the
ordinances
work
on
the
zoning
and
and
start
guiding
the
residents
or
the
businesses
of
how
they
can
improve
their
their
businesses
and
attract
patrons.
F
F
F
These
residents
have
been
dealing
with
that
type
of
a
street,
I'm
in
the
real
estate
business
myself.
So
I've
used
that
street
multiple
times
showing
properties
having
it
look
like
that
for
years
and
years
and
years,
and
then
those
same
residents
have
also
dealt
with
the
e-course
creek
and
for
years
and
years
and
years
they've
been
told,
it'll
be
resolved,
it'll
be
resolved,
there'll,
be
results.
Here's
what's
coming,
here's
what
we're
analyzing,
here's,
what
we're
looking
into
but
nothing's
happening.
F
So
I'd
like
to
see
all
of
us
as
an
administration
and
all
of
us
are
responsible,
because
all
of
us
have
been
either
elected
or
appointed
to
these
positions
and
we
all
have
the
responsibility
to
do
what's
right
on
behalf
of
the
residents.
It
is
shameful
on
all
of
us,
myself
included
that
this
thing
is
not
resolved
and
not
going
much
faster
than
it
has
been.
I'm
very,
very
disappointed
with
how
fast
it's
been
going
because,
again
to
me,
I
see
nothing.
Nothing's
happened,
I
mean
there's
been
all
kinds
of
meetings,
but
nothing's
happening.
G
Mr
brooks
you
mentioned
something
about
grants.
Have
it
has?
Have
we
looked
into
getting
grants
for
this
project,
and
the
second
question
is
when
we're
talking
about
facades
for
the
the
businesses
who's
going
to
be
responsible
to
do
that?
Is
that
going
to
be
up
to
the
businesses
to
redo
the
front
of
their
their
buildings
right.
H
Right
this,
this
will
give
them
guidance
in
terms
of
so
that
there
there's
a
theme
in
the
corridor-
okay
and
when
and
regarding
the
road
and
grant
that's
something
we
have
to
work
on
in
the
next
in
the
next
phases.
You
know
it,
you
know
what
if
we
can
get
something
from
the
federal
government,
I
don't
know
if
we
get
something
from
state,
some,
some
road
money
from
county.
G
H
Well,
I
well,
maybe
some
of
the
planners
can
speak
on
on
successes.
They've
had
with
some
of
these
types
of
projects,
but
I
think
you
it's
kind
of
like
you're.
If
you
improve
your
personal
property,
you
know.
Sometimes
your
neighbor
sees
that
and
they'll
want
to
prove
theirs
to
some
degree.
You
know
some
of
it.
H
A
L
Thank
you.
One
thing
about
the
the
facades
being
on
the
planning
commission
for
a
very
long
time
is,
you
can
come
up
with
the
ordinance
and
and
any
new
work
or
construction
that
that
justifies
following
an
ordinance.
You
can
follow
that
on
new
construction
and
repair
work
to
start
with
any
kind
of
remodeling
would
be
following
a
new
audience
as
far
as
facade
and
any
kind
of
new
construction.
L
H
H
A
M
All
right,
thank
you,
council.
My
question
is:
where
has
ford
land
development
been
during
this,
and
also
I
want
to
ask
taylor:
has
there
been
any
delays
or
dragging
of
the
feet
on
dearborn
heights
side
of
this
deal,
and
if
so,
what
are
we
going
to
do
to
correct
that,
and
how
do
you
clean
up
an
area?
That's
nothing,
but
car
lots.
C
Thank
you.
Let
me
let
me
try
to
answer
the
first
one
with
ford
land.
I
know
ford
land
has
been
involved
in
some
of
the
preliminary
meetings
that
was
like
that
was
earlier
on.
We
have
not
talked
to
them
recently.
At
least
the
city
of
taylor
has
not
in
terms
of
dragging
of
the
feet.
I
guess
was
the
question.
No,
I
don't
think
I
don't
think
there's
been
any
intentional
delays.
C
I
we
are
here
myself,
council,
chairman
for
the
city
of
taylor
and
a
couple
of
our
economic
development
representatives,
just
to
clearly
communicate
that
we
want
all
of
this
just
as
much
as
the
city
of
dearborn
heights
does.
I
think
that
was
the
concerns
that
was
expressed
to
us
that
there
was
some
rumblings
that
taylor
was
not
interested
in
proceeding.
C
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
guys
are
aware
that
we
are
behind
this
100.
We
believe
that
this
is
a
partnership
between
the
city
of
taylor,
the
city
of
dearborn
heights,
as
well
as
wayne
county
as
vampire
road
as
a
county
road.
We
would
like
their
input
and
potentially
find
out
what
funds
they
have
available,
but
the
the
question
today
that
we're
looking
at
is
really
starting
to
build
the
blueprint
and
designing
a
blueprint
to
succeed
in
the
phases
that
were
mentioned
earlier
and
just
so
we're
clear.
M
N
Yeah,
I
want
to
offer
a
suggestion
that
I
think
eight,
the
eight
thousand
dollars
coming
out
of
the
general
fund.
It's
not
going
to
make
it
break
us,
but
I
would
suggest
that
the
council
put
stipulation
that
you
want
in
four
or
five
months
to
wait
and
trim
to
tiffa
and
invite
taylor
also
and
let's
see
what
we're
getting
and
how
they
progressed.
O
M
A
O
Ahead,
sorry
about
that,
thank
you
very
much.
My
name
is
arthur
mullen
and
I
work
with
dan
brooks
at
wade
trim
and
I
just
wanted
to
help
maybe
clarify
a
few
things
so
kind
of
the
process
and
I'll
be
very
quick.
I
know
you're
running
out
of
time.
The
idea
here
is
for
us
to
be
able
to
improve
the
land
use
along
the
corridor.
O
So
some
of
that
would
include
some
aesthetic
requirements
in
an
overlay
district,
reducing
the
parking
requirements,
so
there
isn't
as
much
parking
lots
that
landscaping
buffering
and
screening
looking
at
allowing
some
activities
as
a
right
site
lighting,
so
that
the
focus
here
on
on
this
activity
for
this
part
of
the
project
between
the
two
communities
is
to
deal
with
the
regulatory
side
of
the
issues.
To
be
able
to
start
to
improve
the
aesthetic.
C
O
D
Yes,
yes,
I'm
concerned
because,
as
they
say,
we've
been
doing
this
for
four
years
now,
nothing's
been
done,
the
problem
has
existed
since
the
late
1800s,
the
native
americans,
at
that
time,
dug
deep
trenched
it
out
and
widened
it.
We
should
never
build
houses
in
that
area
and
the
other
thing
is:
why
would
anyone
want
to
start
a
business
and
get
stuck
with
an
assessment.
G
N
A
few
years
ago,
the
city
of
dearborn
heights
felt
that
wayne
county
was
overcharging
us
on
the
maintenance
costs
for
the
cso
basin,
which
is
approximately
at
telegraph
and
edward
hines
parkway,
and
consequently,
we
went
out
for
bids
and
we
received
more
than
one
bid
and
we
found
out
that
there
were
independent
contractors
out
there.
That
could
do
the
job
for
significantly
less
like
150,
000
or
more
a
year.
N
N
I
I
assume
patrick,
is
somewhere
on
this
phone
call
and
the
extent
of
the
negotiations
have
not
been
going
very
positively.
They've
been
the
county
is
just
kind
of
one
excuse,
in
my
opinion,
after
another
to
not
move
this
salon.
Consequently,
the
amount
is
built
up
again
that
we
owe
them
another
five
six
hundred
thousand
dollars.
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I'll,
try
and
give
you
a
brief
background
about
how
we
got
to
where
we
are
today
with
wayne
county
on
this
matter.
The
city
and
the
county
had
entered
into
an
agreement
whereby
the
transfer
of
o
m
to
the
city
could
occur
upon
the
happening
of
certain
events.
I
Nothing
that's
slowed
the
project
down
as
there's
been
a
substantial
change
of
personnel
in
wayne
county,
the
environmental
section
where
we
make
some
progress
negotiating
the
terms
of
that
agreement
and
that
person's
gone,
I
retired
or
reassigned.
So
that's
been
another
sticking
point
in
terms
of
getting
this
deal
done.
I
In
addition
to
this
intergovernmental
agreement,
we're
negotiating
with
wayne
county
they've
continued
to
take
action
or
no
action
for
weeks
or
months
at
a
time
to
give
us
something
to
review
from
their
standpoint
as
far
as
what
they
think
is
important
going
forward
now
to
get
to
wayne
county.
To
conclude,
the
transfer,
as
the
mayor
pointed
out,
city's
been
withholding
payments
to
wade
county
for
their
o
m
services.
I
I
We
believe
that
the
appropriate
number
annually
for
the
city
to
pay
the
county
is
roughly
a
hundred
and
ninety
three
hundred
ninety
three
thousand
dollars
to
two
hundred
eight
thousand
dollars
annually.
Now
these
are
figures
that
were
derived
from
the
way
troops
bid
for
getting
the
o
m
contract
going
forward.
I
Last
because
of
these
delays,
I
understand
the
group
from
wade
trim
who
is
going
to
be
providing
these
o
m
services
to
the
city
is
now
left
way
trim.
So
that's
another
element
that
we
have
to
deal
with
as
far
as
going
forward
and
finding
a
new
operator
I
talked
earlier
this
morning
with
wayne
county's
assistant
corporation
council.
I
He
acknowledged
the
seat
of
our
letter
and
our
position
on
the
payment
of
anything
that's
owed
to
the
city
department
to
the
county.
Let's
now
kick
that
over
to
people
in
management
budget
to
take
a
look
at
the
numbers
that
we're
proposing
it's
a
fair
resolution
on
an
annual
basis
for
the
services
they
provided
so
right
now
the
ball
is
back
in
wayne
county's
court.
I
I
would
be
surprised
if
we
hear
anything
from
them
before
the
end
of
the
year
because
of
the
holidays
and
covert
issue,
but
I'm
going
to
keep
afterwards
because
now
I
think
we
finally
have
a
path
going
forward.
The
county
seems
to
not
be
pushing
so
hard
on
getting
a
permit
from
eagle,
taking
them
off
as
a
co-permit
heat.
So
I
think
because
of
that,
we
now
have
another
opening
another
window
of
opportunity
see
if
we
can
still
wrap
up.
I
N
No,
I
was
wondering
if
dan
brooks
was
going
to
make
a
comment
on
it.
I
I
think
patrick
size
it
up
real.
Well,
it's
just
that
we're
being
way
overcharged
by
the
county.
I
it
just.
Why
should
we
pay
them
300
000
a
year
when
we
can
get
the
same
thing
done
for
around
200
000
a
year?
That's
that's
a
big
difference
and
while
we've
asked
for
the
detail,
we're
not
really
sure
that
they
can
justify
the
extra
hundred
thousand
dollars.