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From YouTube: Dearborn Heights Study Session - 7/19/22
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The Dearborn Heights Study Session regarding the Amendment to City Code Section 6-97 – Prohibits Ground Feeding of Wild Animals and the Feeding of Feral Cats or Dogs taking place Tuesday, July 19th 2022 in the Dearborn Heights Council Chambers and via Zoom.
A
All
right
good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
today
is
july.
The
19th
we
are
discussed.
We
have
a
study
session
today
on
the
city
of
dividend,
heights,
ordinance,
number
h-22-02,
it's
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
dublin
heights,
providing
that
the
court
of
ordinances
ordinances
be
amended
by
amending
section
697
concerning
the
unlawful
feeding
of
pigeons,
gulls
and
doves,
and
to
expand
it
to
address
unlawful
ground,
feeding,
unlawful
feeding
of
feral
cats
or
dogs,
an
unlawful
feeding
of
pigeons,
gulls
and
doves.
A
Now,
to
start
off
our
meeting,
I
asked
our
ordnance
director
bill
dishroon
to
start
us
off,
give
us
a
general
summary.
A
As
far
as
the
you
know,
that
particular
department
obviously
put
together
this
ordinance
them
and
our
city
attorney
and
just
give
us
a
direction
as
far
as
the
outline
and
purpose
of
this
particular
ordinance
and
and
the
reason
I'm
having
them
do
that
first,
because
I
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
controversy
as
far
as
why
this
ordinance
is
in
place,
and
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
the
city's
purpose
of
this
ordinance
actually
I'll,
let
him
clarify
so
bill.
You
got
the
mic
now,
please
move
as
close
as
you
can
to
you.
B
Can
you
guys
hear
me?
Yes?
Is
that
good,
okay,
good
evening
everybody
this
this
come
up
and
just
for
clarification,
the
the
the
target
was
not
cat
and
dog.
B
Specifically
that
just
happened
to
be
included
in
that
we're
trying
to
do
is
trying
to
amend
the
ordinance
to
address
residents
concerns
regarding
ground
feeding
because
of
serious
rat
issues
that
we're
having
in
the
city
as
I'm
assuming
everybody
is
acutely
aware,
maybe
not
in
the
last
year
and
a
half,
we
have
responded
to
approximately
61
ground,
feeding,
complaints,
various
in
nature
and
approximately
215
rat
rodent,
vermin,
complaints
throughout
the
city.
B
We
do
currently
have
a
community
cap
program
that
is
being
run
through
mhs.
There
are
approximately
20
residents
that
have
been
through
the
the
community
cap
program,
the
tnr
program
that
they
offer,
but
our
office
is
not
aware
of
who
these
people
are
because
of
privacy
concerns
I
reached
out
to
mhs.
They
would
not
provide
that
information,
so
I
have
no
idea
who
these
people
are.
B
The
biggest
concern
of
the
department
is
residents,
feeding,
cats
and
attracting
rodents,
skunks,
possums
and
rats
to
their
property,
which
can
spread
disease
and
illness
amongst
the
cats
and
other
animals
that
they
co-mingle
with
during
feeding.
Additionally,
these
animals
go
onto
neighboring
properties
and
defecate
spray
and
destroy
residents
properties
without
their
consent.
B
So
I
can
tell
you
personally,
I
I
know
of
a
resident:
that's
been
feeding
squirrels
cookies,
I
mentioned
it's
a
corporation
called
some
yaki,
so
it's
not
just
cats
and
dogs.
His
dog
is
enumerated
in
there
as
well.
So
just
for
clarification,
it's
in
the
interest
of
public
safety,
the
rats
rodents
skunks,
I
know
and
and
a
neighboring
city
they've
had
they
had
a
ground.
A
person
was
feeding
cats
in
the
ground.
They
had
a
skunk.
B
They
were
trying
to
get
some
of
the
cats
out
of
there
and
there
was
a
skunk
feeding
with
the
cats,
so
they
will
commingle
and
eat
together.
They
spread
disease
illness.
Some
people
bring
these
animals
in
their
home
and
actually,
just
recently,
we
had
a
a
resident
that
had
been
feeding
we
found
out
about
it
and
this
lady,
who
is
not
certified
trained
or
anything
like
that,
has
been
feeding
these
cats.
B
There's
a
bunch
of
traps
at
her
home
she's
got
these
cats
on
her
property
that
nobody
can
care
for
now,
because
she's
in
the
hospital
for
doing
rehab
and
stuff
like
that.
So
now
these
cats
are
running
around
nobody's
caring
for
them,
nobody's
taking
them
and
getting
their
getting
them
updated
on
the
rabies
shots.
So
it's
just
it's
just
one
that
came
up
late
last
week,
actually
so
just
for
clarification,
we're
not
specifically
targeting
cats.
A
So,
on
on
on
the
opposite,
end
of
the
aisle
obviously
has
been
some
concerns
from
some
residents
and
then
also
honestly,
some
organizations,
including
which
I
asked
her
to
be
here,
and
I
could
see
that
she's
online
on
zoom
beth,
frank,
which
I'll
give
her
an
opportunity
to
speak
and,
of
course
some
residents
had
concerns
about
this
and
the
biggest
concerns
that
they
had
with
this
particular
ordinance.
Is
you
know,
they're
all
nobody's
you
know,
there's
not
been
any
rat
rights,
people
have
called
or
emailed,
or
anything
like
that
right.
A
That
part
is
a
non-issue
and
that's
why
I
asked
you
to
speak
first,
because
I
want
to
clarify
for
the
residents
that
this
is
all
about
the
rats
and
not
you
know
how
to
get
rid
of
the
cats
or
how
do
we
no.
B
Dogs
there's
a
huge
benefit
in
having
a
community
cat
program
and
having
them
if
they
do
the
spay
and
the
trap
neuter
release
back
into
their
same
environment.
They
set
up
camp
there,
they
stay
in
that
area.
They
keep
other
other
cats
out
of
the
area.
There's
a
huge
benefit
to
that
program.
But
one
of
the
concerns
that
come
up
was
obviously
the
the
ground
feeding
of
the
cats
and
we
have
no
way
to
monitor.
A
You
are
aware
director
when
we
had
that
on
the
agenda
a
few
meetings
back.
There
was
obviously
a
lot
of
concerns
from
residents
that
came
in
and
were
against
this
particular
ordinance
as
a
matter
of
fact,
as
I
recall
off
the
top
of
my
head-
probably
one
of
the
top
two
lines
of
people
that
were
here
to
speak
in
regards
to
that,
and
that's
why
I
decided
to
do
a
study
session
on
this,
so
that
people
will
have
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
speak,
including
beth,
frank
and
and
others
there's
also
lisa
alawi.
A
They
spoke
quite
heavily
on
this.
She
came
and
spoke
that
day
but
she's
out
of
town
today
and
many
others-
and
I
see
the
young
lady
here
I
know
she
spoke
before
so
I'm
going
to
give
an
opportunity
to
speak,
but
one
of
the
biggest
criticisms
of
this
particular
ordinance
is
the
concern
that
we
are
doing
something.
A
That's
you
know,
humanely
not
the
right
thing
to
do
to
not
feed
cats
or
not
give
an
opportunity
for
cats
to
be
able
to
eat
and
therefore
get
rid
of
them
in
a
unhumane
way,
and
the
other
concern
is
a
much
more
cost
effective
way
such
as
trapping
sheltering
I'm
sorry.
They
don't
want
like
trapping
sheltering
and
then
eventually
at
the
humane
society.
Possibly
you
know
you
call
whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
but
getting
rid
of
the
cats.
A
Let's
call
it
that
at
least
and
and
the
other
concern
is
starving
of
an
animal
indirectly-
and
I
know
your
your
purpose
is:
is
rats
but
indirectly
that
will
affect
the
feral
cats
and
maybe
dogs,
and
then
they
would
be
starving
them
and
that's
an
unfortunate
consequence
of
this.
So
that's
a
major
concern.
I'm
going
to
give
you
an
opportunity
first
to
speak
on
it,
and
then
I
will
give
some
of
the
council
members
an
opportunity
to
speak
and
then,
after
that
I'll
have
some
of
the
residents
be
able
to
speak
on
that.
A
So
if
you
want
to
answer
so
again,
just
to
repeat
again,
why
committing
to
tnr,
if
you're,
for
or
against
that,
whether
this
is
humane
or
not,
which,
in
my
opinion,
is
not
humane
for
the
cats
and
dogs,
obviously
and
starving
of
an
animal,
is
cruelty.
Obviously,.
B
B
I
don't
actually
don't.
I
can't
think
of
a
case.
I'm
not
saying
it
hasn't
happened,
a
case
of
where
we've
gone
out,
where
somebody
is
actually
feeding
cats,
but
they're.
They
are,
I
mean,
there's
been
some
and
I
take
that
back.
There
has
been
cases
where
I've
seen
people
on
their
front
porch,
just
going
out
there
and
and
feeding
cats
on
their
front
porch
irresponsibly
and
cats
coming
from
the
woodwork
the
reality
is:
cats
are
predators
and
they're
going
to
figure
out
where
to
get
food
from
if
people
aren't
feeding
them.
B
I
don't
remember
the
last
time
I
saw
a
cat.
You
know
skeleton
in
a
tree
or
in
other
areas,
most
of
the
time
when
cats
get
eliminated,
it's
usually
they
get
run
over
because
they're
out
loose
and
nobody's
responsible
for
them
right.
So
I
understand
that
that
portion
of
it,
the
the
other
problem
that
we
have
is
we
don't
have
the
ability
to
manage
people
when
they're
doing
it
in
their
backyard.
B
B
Yeah,
generally
speaking
and
and
again,
I
think,
there's
there's
benefit
to
having
cats
that
are
that.
Are
you
know
they
if
they
get
tnr
through
mhs
and
they
end
up
back,
they
drop
them,
usually
in
a
block
or
two
of
where
they
found
them
at
to
try
to
keep
other
cats
out
of
the
area,
because
you'll
get
a
tom
in
an
area
and
there
their
other
cats
won't
come
to
that
area
because
they're
territorial.
B
So
no,
I
don't
want
to
see
cats
starving
and
I
I
do
believe,
there's
benefit
in
the
program
in
and
of
itself,
but
it
concerns.
My
big
concern,
obviously,
is:
is
our
inability
to
manage
what's
going
on
in
somebody's
backyard
and
the
the
not
necessarily
just
rats
but
rodents
in
general?
Does
anybody
want
a
skunk
because
a
neighbor
is
feeding,
you
know,
cats
in
their
backyard
and
nobody
knows
about
it
and
the
next
you
know
you
get
sprayed
or
a
raccoon.
They
carry
a
disease.
This
temper,
there's
things
they
carry
things
spread
to
humans,
so.
C
Thank
you,
council
chairs,
thanks
for
setting
this
meeting
up
and
mr
dishwa
for
coming
just
one
caveat:
it's
not
intentionally
starving
cats
and
here's
why
I
say
because
so,
if
you
have
a
cat,
your
own
cat,
then
you
have
a
duty
to
feed
it,
take
care
of
it,
but
if
you're
just
putting
food
out-
and
there
are
unfortunately
a
lot
of
stray
cats,
I
know
it's
a
good
idea
to
catch
the
cats
spay.
C
Them
and
then
possibly
release
them,
but
maybe
you'll
get
like
one
out
of
ten
cats
that
are.
You
know
there
are
just
a
lot
of
feral
cats
and
I
guess
it's
a
balancing
act,
but
we
we
could
all
be
required
to
have
a
bowl
of
cat
food
behind
our
house.
C
C
Having
food
out
for
a
cat,
that's
just
living
outside
and
I've
had
my
family's
had
two
or
three
cats
and
you're
correct
when
they,
when
somebody
feeds
them
they'll
keep
coming
around
and
the
issue
is
I
mean
if
you
could
feed
the
cat
inside,
but
once
that
food
is
out
there
whatever's
out,
there
will
eat
it.
We
had
a
problem
with
with
skunks
around
our
house
at
one
time
and
they'll
really
search
for
food
wherever
they
can
find
it.
B
Well,
we
do
actually
we
do
do
that.
The
the
issue
we
have
is
mostly
a
staffing
issue.
We
will
go
out
and
trap
when
we
can.
We
have
a.
We
have
a
list
in
the
office.
There's
probably
10
or
12
people
on
it
right
now,
and
the
animal
control
truck
is
very
busy.
B
B
Sometimes
they
go
to,
they
turn
out
to
be
farm
cats,
occasionally
they're
adoptable,
I'm
not
sure
how
often
that
happens,
and
then
the
other
ones
are
brought
back
after
they're
they're
vaccinated
against
rabies
and
they're
brought
back
to
within
a
block
or
two
of
the
area
that
they
were
found,
but
the
other.
The
other
part,
is
these
people
that
are
now.
I'm
not
saying
everybody.
Don't
get
me
wrong,
don't
read
into
this,
but
a
lot
of
people
like
the
one
I
just
spoke
of
where
we
had
the
issue.
B
Last
week,
they're
not
doing
it
properly
she's,
not
this
individual
was
not
vaccinating
the
cats
not
they're,
not
cared
for
properly.
I
think
some
were
sick
and
emaciated
and
injured,
but
they're
doing
the
ground
feeding.
I
I
don't.
I
would
have
to
got
some
pictures
here,
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
okay
I'd
have
to
ask
corporation
council
miyaki
before
I
showed
you
the
conditions,
so
I'm
gonna
hold
off
on
that.
B
But
these
people
aren't
doing
these
things
properly
and
that's
a
concern.
So
you
could
potentially
have
somebody,
that's
feeding
the
cats
and
doing
the
right
thing,
but
not
doing
the
vaccinations
not
doing
the
spay
neuter
release
like
they
should
be
and
doing
things
properly
so
and
I'm
not
saying
everybody's
like
dex.
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
people
sitting
here
and
on
zoom
that
have
good
hearts,
but
again
the
other
side
of
that
is.
You
got
people.
B
These
cats
are
coming
out
of
people's
property
and
digging
flower
beds
up
and
defecating
I've
had
cat
feces
in
my
yard,
a
bunch
of
times.
Don't
let
your
cats
out
I've
had
these
discussions
before
with
people.
Oh
mine's,
an
outside
cat,
not
in
derby
heights.
No!
No,
if
you
either
have
your
cat
or
don't
don't
let
them
out,
because
they
could
potentially
freeze
to
death
in
the
winter
if
they
don't
have
proper
shelter
right.
So
we
can
go
back
and
forth
on
that
all
day,
but
one.
A
So
what
I'm
gonna
do.
Thank
you.
If
you
don't
mind
directly,
you
stay
up
there,
you,
I
know
a
couple
of
your
officers
are
here.
Are
you
guys
interested
in
saying
anything
before
we
go
to
the
residence
yeah
come
on.
B
A
B
A
B
E
F
E
We
were
called
out
to
assassin's
creed.
We
were
called
out
to
assess
a
situation
at
a
particular
residence.
This
was
just
last
week.
I've
had
dealings
with
this
individual.
Before
last
time.
We
had
to
do
anything
with
the
individual.
She
ended
up
having
to
surrender
12
animals
that
were
being
kept
in
her
garage.
E
This
time
there
were
multiple
animals
removed,
the
conditions
had
declined
greatly
feces
food
everywhere
in
the
garage
and
in
the
home.
E
Animals
were
not
taken
care
of,
and
the
issue
is
is
that,
while
for
years,
this
particular
individual
has
been
a
very
good
help,
trapping
tnring,
obviously
she
had
a
problem
releasing
them,
but
this
is
part
of
the
problem.
E
A
lot
of
your
hoarders
collect
their
animals
under
the
guise
of
tnr,
the
last
one
I
helped
with
in
another
city.
We
pulled
47
animals
out
of
that
house
and
they
had
traps
in
their
backyard.
A
But
just
to
be
fair
officer
is
that
not
you
know
secluded
case
where
and
I'm
not
referencing
this
particular
person,
I'm
speaking
generally
here
where
somebody
may
have
you
know
some
sort
of,
let's
call
it
medical
issue
as
to
why
they
do
what
they
do
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
A
E
E
So
when
we
have
a
situation
where
somebody
is
putting
out
types
of
food,
whether
it
be
bird
seed
or
I've,
seen
cereal
I've
seen
cookies,
I've
seen
bread
things
like
that.
It's
attracting
other
animals
and
if
you
remember
back
in
2018,
we
had
the
three
foot
argentine
black
and
white
teague
that
we
caught
down
in
the
brookside
sub
the
caller.
That
called
us
specifically
stated
when
I
got
there.
I
opened
my
front
door
and
it
was
on
my
front
porch
eating
my
cat
food.
E
E
People
are
putting
out
food,
whether
it
be
cat
food,
bird
seed,
other
types
of
things
and
they're,
attracting
rats,
they're
attracting
possums,
raccoons
skunks,
and
I'm
the
one
that
has
to
go
out
to
these
calls
specifically
there's
one
gentleman
there's
one
gentleman
down
on
the
south
end.
He
called
because
he
saw
a
rat
in
his
neighbor's
backyard
and
before
I
went
and
knocked
down
the
neighbor's
yard
to
address
the
rat
problem
in
his
backyard.
E
I
wanted
to
take
a
look
over
the
fence
so
that
way
I
could
know
what
I
was
talking
about
when
I
talked
to
him
as
I
walked
into
the
caller's
backyard,
he
had
pounds
of
bird
seed
in
his
patio
blocks.
You
know
the
two
by
two
patio
blocks
in
the
cracks
and
as
I
walked
in
there,
I
flushed
about
12
squirrels
out
of
his
backyard.
E
A
I
heard
the
director
speak
in
the
beginning
and
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
this
is
not
about
you
know:
feral
cats
or
dogs.
This
is
more
about.
How
do
we
stop?
How
do
we
minimize
the
rat
issue
in
the
city
so
right
at
this
particular
point?
What
I'm
gonna
do
unless
any
other
council
members
had
anything
to
say,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
go
to
before
I
go
to
members
of
the
audience
whether
on
zoom
or
in
person,
I'm
going
to
have
beth
frank.
I
spoke
with
her
communicated
with
her.
I
didn't.
A
E
A
Okay,
so
beth,
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
give
us
your
angle.
I
know
you're
about
to
speak
today
so
go
ahead,
and
then
please
state
your
name
city,
I'm
I'm
going
to
give
in
this
particular
case
because
she's
a
little
bit
more
knowledgeable
on
this
subject,
I'm
going
to
give
her
about
four
or
five,
four,
four
and
a
half
minutes.
Okay,
if
you
do
me
a
favor
beth,
please
state
your
name:
the
organization
you
represent,
the
city
you
live
in,
and
the
street
name
you
land
around.
I
Okay,
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to.
I
Off
base
and-
and
it
comes
from
a
not
not
a
clear,
not
having
a
clear
understanding
of
community
cats
and
that
your
feeding
band
says
about
feral
cats.
Now
we
call
cats
that
live
on
the
streets,
community
cats,
because
they
include
ferals,
they
include
friendlies,
they
could
be
stray
cats,
but
most
of
them
have
been
abandoned
and
thrown
out
the
door.
People
moved
and
left
them.
That's
how
they
got
out
on
the
street.
I
As
far
as
the
feeding,
the
feeding
should
be
done
for
a
limited
amount
of
time
and
the
dish
is
picked
up,
it's
it
happens
a
lot
of
times.
People
will
put
dishes
out
and
leave
them.
That
should
not
happen.
That's
part
of
the
education
that
we
want
to
do
to
show
people
how
to
do
this.
The
right
way
to
help
the
cats
and
to
help
the
city.
I
I
But
so
that's
another
thing
is
the
education?
I
J
I
I
You
said
you
have
a
tnr
program
through
michigan
humane.
What
is
that.
E
E
I
Well
with
this
group
that
we're
creating
you're
not
going
to
have
that
issue
because
we're
going
to
have
people
that
will
be
willing
to
go
out
and
trap
transport
to
wherever
we
need
to
go
to
get
them
fixed
and
return
them.
So
that
should
free
up
some
time
for
you
guys
to
do
what
you
need
to
do,
because
I
understand
that
the
number
of
animals
being
dumped
on
the
streets
now
is
increasing
and
it's
horrible.
I
I
But
I
was
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
much
it
cost
to
see
how
much
money
would
need
to
be
raised.
You
know
to
fund
it
or
how
much
you're
paying
that
we
could
maybe
jump
in
and
say
instead
of
you
taking
the
cat
in,
we
will
do
that
for
you
and
you
know
they'll
send
you
the
bill
just
to
see
how
this
was
all
gonna
work.
I
I
C
I
As
far
as
the
deterrence
for
cats
in
people's
yards,
that
they
don't
want
them,
new
orleans
louisiana
actually
has
on
their
website
a
bunch
of
deterrents
that
you
can
use
and
they
provide
some
of
the
things
that
can
be
used
in
the
yard
to
residents
for
free,
they're,
not
expensive
things,
and
I
don't
recall
offhand
what
they
were.
But
it
was
amazing
that
a
big
city
like
new
orleans
was
doing
this
kind
of
thing,
so
it
this
is
something
we
can
do
anywhere,
including
dearborn
heights.
I
I
K
You
for
trying
councilman,
you
know
she
had
some
good
idea.
She
had
some
good
ideas,
but
I
I
don't
like
the
idea
of
people
taking
in
their
cats
that
they
catch
and
then
turning
them
in
and
the
residents
pay
for
it
because
we
all
know
what's
going
to
happen.
People
will
just
start
taking
their
personal
cats.
There
saying
they
found
a
cat,
they're
gonna
get
and
we
get
billed
for
the
for
doing
their
spading
or
neutering
or
whatever
they
want
to
do,
and
they
just
build
it
to
the
city.
K
I
don't
like
that
idea
at
all
I
mean,
as
as
a
pet
owner
that
I
am
I'm
responsible
for
my
animal.
My
I
took
my
animal
in
it
got
neutered
gets
all
its
shots
when
they're
required
and
and
they're
licensed,
and
so
I
don't
want
to
put
that
on
the
residence
of
the
city
for
somebody
else's
for
doing,
for
you
know
doing
somebody
else's
animal.
K
I
you
know,
that's
how
I
feel
about
it.
I
I
shouldn't-
or
I
should
not.
The
regular
citizens
should
not
have
to
fit
that
bill
for
people.
Take
care
of
your
animal.
B
Okay,
the
other
count
chair,
if
I
may,
the
other
concern
I
have
is
having
I'm
not
totally
opposed
to
it,
but
just
thinking
in
my
mind
the
other
objection
that
I
would
have
to
having
an
outside
entity
coming
into
our
city
is
them
coming
here
and
inadvertently,
taking
somebody's
cat
and
spay
neuter
release.
You
know
somebody's
cat
gets
out.
I
I
don't
know
sure
it's
a
reputable
organization,
but
my
concern
would
be
if
our
our
contract,
the
city
of
different
heights
contract,
is
with
michigan
humane
society.
Not
you
know,
community
cat
program
or
whatever.
B
So
if
those
cats
are
not
and
I'm
not
saying
they
would
do
anything
nefarious,
not
saying
that
at
all,
but
I'm
just
saying
that's
one
of
my
just
by
chance,
you
take
somebody's
cat,
you
don't
check
it
properly.
You
miss
the
chip
or
whatever,
and
you
spay
neuter
somebody's
cat,
or
do
you
misplace
it
or
it
could
be
a
problem.
It's
just
me
thinking
out
loud
and
I
don't
think
they
have
any
ill.
A
F
I
We're
not
coming
in
as
a
outside
organization.
I
This
group
is
being
run
by
your
local
residents
who
want
to
help
these
cats
want
to
help
the
city
and
we
are
standing
behind
them
to
give
them
support
and
our
experience
and
to
reach
out
and
use
our
501c3
to
get
grants
to
help
for
for
funding
on
this,
it's
always
best
to
have
the
501c3
behind
you.
Okay,.
I
I
A
I
did
I
communicated
with
him
multiple
times
via
email,
and
I
also
asked
him
to
send
me
some
sample
ordinances
that
he
is
recommending
and
I
did
receive
them.
I
did
read
them
over
depends
on
the
direction
we
decide
to
go
in
if
we
decide
as
a
body
the
council
body
to
make
a
change
to
this
ordinance.
A
At
that
particular
point,
I
would
forward
these
to
our
corporation
council
and
our
what
we
call
city
council
persons
and
then
see
if
there's
any
changes,
we
want
to
make
this
ordinance
once
we're
done
with
the
study
session.
Okay,
she.
I
Can
also
help
you
with
feeding
issues.
She
has
a
lot
of
experience
in
that.
A
F
Beth,
you
used
a
distinction
between
community
cats
and
feral
cats.
How
would
how
do
you
define
feral
cats.
I
Feral
cats
have
are
not
really
socialized
to
humans.
In
fact,
when
people
say
one
of
the
complaints
is
well,
we
see
cats
all
over
the
place.
Well,
if
you're
seeing
them
during
the
day.
Those
are
not
pharaohs,
because
ferals
only
really
come
out
at
night,
they're,
too
skittish,
and
so
we
have
friendly
cats
out
there
that
somebody
dumped
and
that's
who
you're
going
to
see
through
the
day.
I
You
can
tell
you
know
when
you
take
them
into
a
shelter,
it's
really
difficult
to
tell
because
they're
all
afraid,
but
friendly
cats
sometimes
are
a
lot
easier
to
trap
than
the
feral
ones,
because
the
feral
ones
are
smart.
They
have
you
know
they
have
streets
street
common
sense
and
they
know
how
to
avoid
things,
but
they
can
and
they
are
trapped
and
as
far
as
paying
him
the
city
pay
for
owners
of
who
have
cats
that
want
them,
spayed
and
neutered.
I
You
can
tell
when
they
come
in,
they
have
to
come
in
in
a
trap.
Typically,
that's
the
case,
I'm
assuming
michigan
humane
does
that
they
have
to
come
into
a
trap.
If
these
people
in
your
community
are
trapping
these
cats,
they
can
tell
you
where
they're
at
and
they
can
return
the
cats
back
to
that
place.
I
F
Okay,
and
so
basically,
if,
if
I
made
council
chair
and
council
members,
you
know
we
could
devise
some
sort
of
exemption
with
respect
to
an
actual
approved
program,
I
would
want
to
end
up,
however,
having
the
program
you
know,
part
of
the
issue
becomes
funding
with
respect
to
this
program,
because
then
you're.
F
End
up
incurring
expense
on
something
that
essentially,
is
not
necessarily
the
city's
idea,
and
it
may
also
require
us
to
end
up
using
expertise
from
say,
michigan,
humane
society,
which
is
now
called
michigan
humane.
Typically,
they
changed
the
name
a
few
years
back,
so
we
could
end
up
having
something
specifically
for
the
tnr
type
of
safe
money
program.
I
F
Right
but
but
the
the
the
point
that
I
was
trying
to
make-
I'm
sorry,
ms
frank,
is
to
the
council
with
the
idea
that
essentially,
we
could
have
some
something
in
terms
of
an
exemption,
but
we
would
need
to
make
sure
that
we
would
verify
what
direction
to
go
in
terms
of
the
program
and
but
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
we
don't
need
the
rest
of
this
ordinance.
F
This
is
these
types
of
problems
have
been
ongoing
problems.
I
think
I
told
people
last
meeting.
I
was
involved
in
this
going
back
to
mayor
canfield's
administration
and
we
have
routinely
over
the
years
had
issues
with
respect
to
dwellings
every
once
in
a
while.
You
get
a
dwelling
that
has
to
end
up
actually
being
completely
decontaminated
because
of
cats.
It
happens.
I
think
it's
happened.
I've
been
involved
in
at
least
three
or
four
of
them,
maybe
five
of
them.
F
H
Have
a
couple
comments:
I
have
cats,
I
am
a
cat
liver.
I
currently
have
two
of
the
four
that
I've
had
recently
three
were
feral.
One
has
died
so
that
one
got
replaced
by
another
feral
cat,
so
that
cat
would
not
be
alone.
However,
they've
been
indoor
cats
and
they've
had
issues
with
neighborhood
cats
that
may
be
your
community
cat.
I
called
him
yao
because
that's
what
he
always
said
and
he
was
spraying
my
back
door
wall
tormenting
my
other
cats.
He
also
ruined
a
bedroom
screen
trying
to
get
at
them.
H
He
climbed
up
and
tormented
them
when
they
were
looking
out
the
window
and
I've
had
issues
with
my
putting
bread
out
for
birds
in
the
backyard,
the
cats.
Oh,
the
rats
picked
up.
The
bread
came
into
my
2017
fusion
in
the
engine
and
they
not
only
ate
the
food,
they
left
their
remains
and
they
ate
some
of
the
wires
cost.
H
Me
almost
400
for
to
fix
the
repair
on
that,
but
I
still
like
cats
and
if
we
could
work
something
I'd
love
to,
but
there
there
are
the
issues
with
the
damage
that
they
can
do,
which
is
the
opposite
side
of
this
coin,
and
I
do
know
for
a
fact,
reading
our
backup
materials
with
the
cost
that
we
spend
monthly,
that
we
do
spend
a
significant
amount
every
month
when
the
guys
have
to
take
the
cats
to
the
humane
society,
get
them
fixed
and
then
bring
them
back
to
the
neighborhood.
H
C
I'm
sorry
both
animal
control
officers,
records.
C
Isn't
it
isn't
it
true
that
sometimes
that
there's
no
shelter
or
you
you
won't
have
any
place
to
to
drop
the
cats
off?
Have
you
ever
been
told
they
were
full?
We
can't
take
the
cats
right
now,
not
with
our
contract.
Oh
so
that's
right.
The
but
I've
had
the
experience
where
I
go
to
a
shelter.
They
say
we're
full.
We
can't.
B
C
A
Thank
you
all
right.
Thank
you,
director
officer
appreciate
it.
Anybody
from
the
audience
wish
to
speak.
Please
state
your
name
city
street
in
two
minutes.
A
E
Robert
bunker
wyandotte
wayne
county,
I
grew
up
in
dearborn
heights
and
graduated
from
annapolis.
E
E
I
do
have
those
sections
back
in
the
office,
but
that,
as
for
the
reference
or
the
other,
we
have
no
problem
with
it.
We
obviously
cannot
handle
it
ourself,
but
there
needs
to
be
some
kind
of
control
because
just
like
the
individual
I
had
to
deal
with,
we
don't
want
another
situation
like
that,
so
I
have
no
problem
with
a
unapproved,
but
they
have
to
come
in
and
register
with
us
no
fee,
no,
nothing
like
that,
just
hey
and
then
that
actually
turns
into
a
resource
for
us
as
well.
E
I
show
up
if
you
don't
have
any
kind
of
regulation
to
it:
you're
going
to
have
people
from
other
cities
showing
up
stating
they're
from
nearby
heights,
but
it
can
be
changed
to
unapproved
in
that
way,
there's
some
kind
of
regulation,
but
for
every
person
that
does
it
correctly,
there's
two
or
three
that
doesn't,
and
there
are
people
I
will
agree.
There
are
people
that
do
it
correctly.
They
go
out,
they
feed
they
clean
up
and
they
go
the
problem.
Isn't
those
people?
E
K
L
A
point
merrick
street
dearborn
heights.
I've
got
a
bunch
of
things,
but
I'll
try
and
get
through
it.
Quick
nancy
mentioned
that
we
spend
a
lot
with
mhs.
Are
you
guys
aware
that
the
contract
says
it's
like
4
800
per
animal,
it's
being
paid
out
like
per
month,
but
it
says
that
that's
how
much
we're
supposed
to
pay
per
animal
in
the
contract?
You
guys
should
double
check
that,
because
that's
been
approved
multiple
years
in
a
row.
L
I
I
brought
it
up
at
the
meeting
before
I
have
an
issue
with
the
word
indirectly
feeding
animals
and
we
talked
about
it
briefly.
You
know
because
gardeners,
someone
who's,
not
good
with
legal
stuff,
is
going
to
see
indirect
feeding
of
any
wild
animal
and
go
well.
Birds
eat
the
tomatoes
off
my
tomato
plant.
Can
I
not
have
a
tomato
plant
now
so
getting
that
better
defined
to
say
what
would
need
to
happen
in
terms
of
gardens?
If
you
have
a
garden
and
stuff's
falling?
How
fast
you
need
to
pick
that
up.
L
Do
you
have
to
have
bird
netting
or
deer
protectors
whatever
it
is?
That
should
be
better
to
find
in
there.
If
we're
gonna
leave
the
word
indirect,
I
think
it
should
just
be
gone.
Would
any
of
this
again,
not
a
legal
person,
and
I
kind
of
bringing
these
things
up
just
so
you
guys
make
sure
it's
written
well.
L
Couldn't
this
conflict
with
this,
I
could
see
someone
saying
well,
I'm
just
trying
to
follow
this
and
not
be
cruel
to
animals
and
then
how
effective
is
this
ordinance
at
actually
stopping
the
rat
issues?
What's
the
data
that
backs
this
up?
What's
the
evidence
that
shows
that
this
is
going
to
work,
a
quick
google
says
that
the
best
thing
is
making
sure
trash
cans
aren't
broken.
That's
on
the
city
to
replace
broken
trash
cans.
L
L
M
A
M
Dearborn
heights
monroe
street
and
the
problem
I
have
is,
I
have
a
neighbor
that
has
a
squirrel
feeder
up
in
the
tree.
It's
a
glass
globe
about
that
big.
It
holds
four
cups
of
peanuts,
the
out
of
the
shell.
It's
up
there
filled
daily
when
it
empties
it's
full.
So
it's
continuous
feeding,
there's
a
bird
feeder
where
the
seeds
on
the
ground
I
had
rats,
they
burrowed
all
around
my
tree,
so
it's
damaged
my
property.
M
I
had
rats
in
my
pool
officer,
abbott,
seen
it
on
the
footage
of
the
camera,
so
he
was
able
to
get
her
into
court.
The
court
gave
her
a
ticket
and
told
her
you
know.
Don't
you
have
to
take
everything
down
for
six
months
now.
The
six
months
is
over
with
she
put
everything
back
up.
You
know,
so
it's
like
it's
wasting
the
ordinance
time.
You
know
that
what
it
starts
all
over
you
have
to
wait
for
the
rats
to
come.
I
don't
think
they
should
allow
like
the
squirrel
feeders
and
that
much
feeding.
M
N
Hi
sarah
malik
I'm
on
outer
drive
in
derby
heights
and
I
just
want
to
say
no
disrespect,
but
the
officers
did
give
us
an
example
of
outliers
and
I've
been
doing
this
for
close
to
a
year.
Tnring
and
I've
seen
many
starving
cats
and
I've
had
to
take
time
to
make
sure
that
these
cats-
sorry
that
these
cats
are
vaccinated
tnr'd
properly,
and
this
is
what
our
group
is
trying
to
do
when
people
are
not
trained
or
educated
on
how
to
properly
tnr
they're
opening
themselves
up
to
get
hurt.
N
They're
they're
affecting
all
of
us,
because
we're
trying
to
do
this,
the
right
way
with
all
due
respect
to
the
city
as
well.
I've
had
a
trap
that
was
a
live
trap
that
was
given
to
the
officers
when
they
came
out.
I
came
and
picked
up
a
cat
from
me,
a
feral
cat,
and
when
I
asked
for
my
trap
back,
they
gave
me
the
wrong
one
which
cost
me
money.
N
N
N
A
But
just
out
of
fairness,
one
of
the
concerns
from
the
I
know
the
ordinance
department,
slash
city,
is
that
your
organization
is
a
brand
new
organization.
Obviously-
and
I
know
I've
not
helped
you,
but
I've
been
not
involved
at
least
talked
to
you
communicated
with
you
about
you
guys
putting
this
together,
which
is
great,
but
then
I
know
from
the
ordinance
department's
perspective
is
going
to
be
being
that's
a
brand
new
organization
that
you're
starting
out
how
effective
you
are
going
to
be
to
be
able
to
do
this.
A
I
A
N
Yeah,
if
we're
given
the
proper
time
and
the
proper
chance,
I'm
sure
that
we
would
succeed
in
controlling
the
cat
population.
I've
seen
it
done
multiple
times
in
certain
communities.
I've
been
a
part
of
it,
so
I
know
how
it
works.
You
know,
and
so
I
just
I
just
think
the
public
needs
to
be
educated.
A
K
Everybody
gets
scammed
and
I
can
tell
I
can
assure
you
there's
going
to
be
people
out
there
that
are
going
to
use
that
for
their
own
benefit
and-
and
I
I
like
mr
bunker's
idea
of
people
being
registered
so
when
they
do
turn
a
cat
in
at
least
they
would
know,
because
you're
opening
up
a
big
door
for
the
city
to
pay
a
lot
of
money
that
there
are
scammers
out
there.
Let's
face
it,
I
mean
people
scam,
you
for
your
amazon
account
and
and
people
professional
people
that
scam
in
the
pharmaceutical
business.
N
K
K
N
N
So
if
you
just
give
us
some
time
to
like
I
said,
I
know
you
guys
are
not
voting
on
this
today.
So
let
me
discuss
it
with
the
group
that
I'm
with
and
let's
see
if
we
can.
A
N
So
right
now
we
are
collecting
residents
in
our
group
and
we're
in
the
process
of
obtaining
more
people
to
join
us.
N
Give
you
a
number
because
there's
so
many
emails,
there's
so
many
emails
that
we're
still
going
through
with
people
interested
in
joining
our
tnr
group.
A
N
Ever
memorize
what
it
is:
dearborn
heights
community
cats,
okay,
I'll
go
on
facebook.
D
A
N
A
A
A
O
We
have
possum
and
we
have
skunk
coming
into
our
yards
all,
because
somebody
is
feeding
these
cats,
you
know
and
they
bring
in
the
rats
all
these
animals
bring
in
the
rats.
It's
not
about
them
feeding.
You
know
it's
not
about
cats.
It's
about
all
these
other
animals
that
are
coming
in,
because
somebody
is
feeding
these
cats.
O
J
A
J
Thank
you.
I
am
a
volunteer
with
providing
for
paws
rescue.
We
have
a
separate
entity,
tnr
program,
it's
financed
separately
from
our
rescue.
We
stand
ready
to
help
the
city
of
dearborn
heights
with
their
with
depopulating
their
cat
population
problem.
We
have
already
recently
been
trapping
in
the
city
of
dearborn
heights.
One
of
our
trappers
helen
gorski,
has
received
received
a
request
from
two
homeowners
on
centralia
street.
One
off
of
warren
went
off
of
ford
road
and
she
trapped
a
total
of
15
cats,
nine
feral
adults
and
six
kittens.
J
We
received
the
six
kittens
into
our
rescue.
They
are
now
fully
vetted
and
up
for
adoption,
the
nine
feral
cats
were
vaccinated
and
fixed
and
returned
to
the
homeowners
who
are
feeding
them.
We
encourage
best
feeding
practices
which
requires
that
the
feeders
feed
only
at
specific
times
during
the
day,
not
at
all
at
night,
and
that
food
be
brought
up
only
from
30
to
60
minutes
on
their
property
and
then
brought
up.
J
J
It's
the
future
of
cat
rescue
depopulation
and
there
are
many.
There
are
many
cities
that
have
been
successful
with
the
utilization
of
rescues.
Okay,.
A
A
Okay,
come
on
come
on
up
quickly,
I'm
just
gonna.
Have
him
ask
just
say
the
question
I'll
repeat
it
to
her?
That's
fine
in
place.
You
recommend
and
you
try
to
teach
best
feeding
practices.
What
you
have
in
place
to
enforce
that
if
they
don't
follow
that,
what
do
you
have?
Okay,
so
the
concern
from
the
officer
is:
if
we
put
that
in
place,
what
would
we
have
in
place
as
a
city
to
try
to
enforce
that?
You.
J
J
We
pass
out
flyers
involving
educating
the
people
on
tnr
and
best
feeding
practices.
We
need
the
support
of
the
entire
community
to
get
on
board
with
best
feeding
practices.
This
would
involve
putting
out
flyers.
We
even
have
a
volunteer
who's
arabic
who
can
do
it
in
arabic?
We
have
we've
done
flyers
before
educating
people.
J
The
city
really
needs
to
get
on
board
and,
however,
way
is
most
efficient
in
communicating
to
the
residents
either
by
internet
or
newsletter
or
whatever
or
handouts
to
institute
best
feeding
practices,
and
then
this
attracting
rats
and
other
wildlife
will
stop,
because
you
only
have
a
certain
time
frame
that
the
person
can
feed
30
to
60
minutes
and
nothing
overnight.
Ever.
P
I'm
dolores
swann
on
mcdonald,
street
and
dearborn
heights.
I
had
not
intended
on
getting
up
here
and
I'm
sorry.
I
was
late
to
this
meeting.
I
forgot
about
it
and
I
am
a
member
of
the
michigan
humane
society
tnr
program
and
we
were
trained
properly,
never
to
feed
at
night
in
a
certain
amount
of
time
during
the
day.
P
But-
and
I
am-
I
also
want
to
say-
I'm
glad
to
hear
our
wildlife
is
returning-
we
we
haven't,
got
rid
of
them
all
like
the
opossums
and
the
raccoons,
that's
nice
to
hear,
but
I
don't
understand
this
lady
said
she
calls
the
city
friend.
You
picked
up
her
cats
because
I
just
take
my
cats
to
the
humane
society.
They
take
them
from
me.
P
A
Mentioned
yeah,
I
don't
have
the
contract
in
front
of
me.
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
that
much
to
be
honest
with
you-
and
I
put
a
note
for
myself
double
check
that
I
I
don't
believe
it's
that
much.
P
P
P
Okay,
because
I
didn't
understand
that
part
and
then
I
was
wondering
about
these,
ladies,
you
call
the
city
to
pick
up
your
guests.
P
B
We
pay
a
base
fee
every
month
and
then,
when
people
come
and
claim
their
animals,
we
get
money
back
and
they
take
it
off
the
bill
and
then
there's
if
there's
wildlife.
If
there's
a
court
case
or
something
like
that,
after
a
certain
number
of
days,
we
could
get
billed
for
it.
B
A
D
D
D
It's
just
it's
not
right.
My
wife's
got
a
couple
of
gardens
in
the
front
and
that's
right
where
they
crap
and
that's
right
in
front
of
right
by
my
front
door,
and
you
know
it's
just
it's.
It's
not
fair
to
to
me
on
that
side
of
it.
I
love
animals.
I've
had
animals
all
my
life,
but
if
you're
going
to
feed
them,
they
should
be
yours.
D
G
I
don't
care
anyway,
listening
to
everything.
G
The
problem
here
is
the
feeding.
That's
the
problem.
It's
in
any
city,
just
listening
to
what
these
people
say,
people
feed
they
think
it's
all
right
that
they're
helping
the
animals
the
other
day.
I
have
three
city
trees,
maples
in
the
front
of
my
house,
I
got
up
in
the
morning.
There
was
nothing
there.
It
was
all
clear,
probably
a
half
hour
later
I
looked
out
at
the
first
maple
and
there
was
a
whole
loaf
of
white
bread,
sliced
scattered
all
over
broad
daylight.
G
This
is
like
9
30
in
the
morning.
I
thought
what
is
that?
It
looks
like
bread,
but
I
wasn't
dressed.
I
didn't
go
out,
however,
my
neighbor
they
check,
they
checked
it
out
and
they
said
helen
there's
a
full
loaf
of
white
bread
just
to
to
be
fat
to
somebody
broad
daylight
right
on
the
front
of
the
street.
So
it's
people
stop
and
they
think
it's
all
right
I'll
throw
this
out.
A
G
D
G
A
K
L
A
N
So,
since
the
concern
is
the
rats,
obviously
I
just
wanted
to
also
point
out.
There
are
a
few
neighbors
of
mine
that
have
had
their
garbage
out
for
about
three
weeks
now
and
it's
on
the
sidewalk,
and
I
believe
that
that
is
concerning
as
well
and
that
attracts
rats,
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
was
and.
A
That's
one
reason
why
the
city
invested
in
bringing
in
the
garbage
cans
that
we
provide
to
all
the
residents,
because,
prior
to
that,
there
was
a
major
issue
throughout
the
washington
state
major.
But
there
was
an
issue
throughout
the
city
as
far
as
rats
are
concerned
and
through
getting
these
cans.
A
It's
drastically
minimized
that
the
issue
that
all
cities
have,
but
the
mayor
and
administration
is
working
on
minimizing
this,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
ordinance
department
is
bringing
this,
because
I
want
to
make
it
clear
the
ordinance
department
put
together
this
ordinance.
Not
so
they
could
get.
You
know,
do
something
to
harm
cats
or.
A
And
that's
where
your
concern
is-
and
I
respect
that,
but
what
I'm
saying
is
the
ordinance
department
brought
this
their
ultimate
and
main
goal
is
the
rats.
Now,
when
we
had
at
the
council
meeting
a
lot
of
residents
such
as
yourself
a
lot
of
concerns,
that's
why
I
promised
you
that
I
would
do
a
study
session.
That's
what
we've
done
here
and
then
we'll
see
where
we're
going
to
go
from
there.
A
As
far
as
when
this
goes
out,
when
I
put
this
on
the
agenda
to
be
voted
on
I'll,
tell
you
right
now,
in
my
personal
opinion
and
I'll
talk
with
other
council
members.
In
all
likelihood,
I'm
going
to
kind
of
give
you
guys
a
chance
to
put
your
stuff
together,
give
you
a
chance
maybe
to
meet
with
the
our
ordinance
officer,
maybe
our
director
and
as
long
as
they're,
comfortable
and
you're
comfortable.
Maybe
we
could
table
this
for
a
little
bit,
just
see
what
could
be
put
together.
I
appreciate.
A
D
A
P
15
30
seconds,
dolores
on
mcdonald's
street,
in
dearborn
heights,
and
one
of
the
issues
about
the
rats
is
the
people
that
own
dogs,
that
don't
clean
up
the
dog
crap
and
that's
all
around
my
neighborhood
okay,
all
around.
I
think
I'm
the
only
one
well
me
and
my
next-door
neighbor
we're
the
only
ones
go
out
and
clean
the
dog
crap,
and
it
offends
me
especially
when
my
bedroom
windows
are
open
at
night
because
it
comes
in
and
chokes
me
around
the
neck,
the
smell
but
anyway.
So
what
is
your
resolution.
A
Will
discuss
which
direction
we
want
to
go
with
this,
and
then
I
will
determine
if
we're
going
to
be
putting
it
on
the
agenda
and
when
and
and
again
small
part
of
my
head.
I
just
want
to
give
the
opportunity
for
this
organization
to
see
what
they
could
do
between
them
and
the
director.
As
long
as
everybody's
on
the
same
page,
then
we'll
we'll
go
from
there.
A
B
I
B
F
Right,
thank
you
glad
gary
and
council
chair.
There
are
just
a
few
if,
if
this
is
going
to
go
back
on
for
a
second
reading,
there
are
just
a
couple
minor
things
that
bill
and
I
discussed
in
terms
of
adding
in
and
so.
A
No
not
in
this
ordinance,
they
had
it.
This
is
under
effective
date.
It
says
the
city
council
finds
that
the
needs
of
the
business
affected
by
this
ordinance
will
be
significantly
affected
by
a
delay
in
the
ordinance's
effective
date.
In
light
of
that
of
the
foregoing,
the
city
adopts
this
ordinance
on
an
emergency
basis
such
that
it
is
considered
to
be
read
both
a
first
time
and
a
second
time
all
at
one
time.
That's
that's
true.
F
So
my
sense
would
be
on
this.
Is
that
since
you
did
not
take
action,
I
mean
we
could
do
that.