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From YouTube: Dearborn Heights Study Session: 6/16/20
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The Dearborn Heights Study Session regarding CSO Projects and Water Meter Replacement, Water Budget, and Local and Major Streets Budget, taking place June 16th 2020 via Zoom.
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So
during
the
budget
process
we
had
spoken
about
upcoming
CSO
projects
and
a
water
meter
replacement
program.
In
the
past
several
months
we
have
met
with
three
water
meter
replacement
companies
got
some
baseline
prices
from
them
for
some
type
of
programs
going
forward
and
then
the
CSO
projects.
We
use
the
numbers,
that
of
the
project
that
was
recently
awarded
to
plug
those
numbers
into
the
next
two
years.
Future
projects
we
had
met
several
months
ago,
fatmagül
and
paul's
stouter.
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We
also
asked
Martin
to
from
plant,
ran
to
join
us
here:
Don
riled,
John
Reilly
and
the
mayor
and
Dan
Brooks
myself,
and
to
discuss
the
process
going
forward
to
fund
these
projects.
These
are
it's
going
to
be
it's
a
big
number,
so
we
wanted
to
have
this
conversation
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
still
on
the
same
page.
So
when
we
go
to
develop
the
water
budget
going
forward
here,
we
can
incorporate
these
numbers
and
then,
first
and
foremost
to
get
the
approval
to
go
out
to
bond
for
these
projects.
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I
can
do
that
so
in
in
the
meter
project.
We'll
start
with
that
one
specifically,
we
met
with
three
three
vendors,
our
two
hours,
each
they
presented
us
their
products,
those
types
of
things,
and
we
got
a
baseline
of
anywhere
from
eight
million
to
nine
million
dollars
for
that
project,
to
replace
all
the
water
meters
to
develop
the
infrastructure
and
and
the
backbone
and
the
network.
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Eighty
six
thousand
four
hundred
fifty
dollars.
The
engineer
estimate
for
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42
is
five
million,
eight
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
and
then
the
L
forty
one
is
3
million
thirty
thousand,
but
basically
gives
us
a
cost
of
12
million
for
that
for
the
CSO
project,
if
we
add
in
the
water
main
to
those
projects,
if
we're
going
to
be
in
there
doing
these
projects,
it's
my
recommendation
that
we
also
do
the
water
main
at
the
same
time,
that
adds
another
2.5
million
dollars
to
that
cost.
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Design
plan
updates
construction
engineering,
that's
a
million
69
for
a
total
project,
cost
of
16
million
261
261,000
to
$650
and
I
did
send
the
council
all
of
us
back
up
on
Monday.
Actually,
council
secretary
afford
it
for
me.
So
thank
you.
So
that's
how
we
arrived
at
that
and
that
basically
takes
us
to
about
twenty
five
point:
three
million
dollars
for
those
three
projects.
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Then
there
is
some
issuance
cost
that
goes
along
with
that,
and
there
are
some
thoughts
on
how
how
we
go
forward
with
this
I
know.
There
was
a
been
since
I've
been
in
this
position.
There's
been
some
talk
about
excess
CSO
funds,
and
the
team
has
a
strategy
that
I
think
is
very
good,
so
I
mean
I.
Think
at
this
point
maybe
John
I
would
hand
that
off
to
to
to
you
guys.
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New
questions
I'm
looking
at
so
there's
four
companies
now
with
updating
the
water
meters
right,
that's
correct,
okay,
slow
with
that
with
that,
did
you
guys
pick
a
company,
yet
I
mean
I
noticed
that
the
one
is
actually
cheaper
than
others
is
there?
Some
is
that
reason
why
I'm
asking
now
that's
based
on
the
questions
I'll
be
asking
next
I
need
to
find
out,
which
company
are
you
guys
so.
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We
we
haven't
done
anything
yet
we
we
need
the
Council's
approval
on
the
bonding
for
the
funding
for
this
project
first
and
foremost.
Secondly,
then
we
would
develop
a
RFP
for
to
go
out
to
bid
that
we
will
bid
this
project
up.
We
would
get
to
four
bidders
and
then
make
a
recommendation
at
that
time.
So
this
is
all
this
is
all
just
preliminary
worst
that
we've
done
to
to
get
a
baseline
for
a
funding
mechanism
for
future
budgets
and
for
this
Barnesville.
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Future
I'd
like
to
see
it
when
it
does
in
front
of
us,
so
we
can
cap
it
compare
apples
to
apples.
So
if
you
look
at
one
sheet
and
you
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
on
it,
you
gotta
keep
back-and-forth
going
to
see
what
what
is
what
I
mean.
One
of
them,
for
example,
just
like
say
the
warranty
or
the
subscription
like
somebody,
calls
it
different
once
it
calls
the
annual
maintenance.
When
somebody
calls
it
annual
subscription
and
one
doesn't
even
have
it,
and
there.
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This
is
this
is
a
lengthy
task
to
do,
and
we've
laid
some
of
that
groundwork.
So
you
know
we
have
some
ideas
of
vendors
that
we
would
like
to
go
with,
but
you
know
we
need
to
make
sure
that,
ultimately
you
know
this
is
a.
This
is
a
thirty
year,
investment
right.
These
meters
should
last
the
city
for
thirty
years
and
then
we're
talking
about
building
a
network
that
these
reader,
these
meters
read
to.
So
there's
still
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
work
to
do.
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Thanks
I
appreciate,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
I
mean
just
voicing
my
concerns
now
so
I,
don't
ask
the
same
questions
so
I'd
like
to
see
I
mean
we
have
five
years.
You
mentioned
it's
a
thirty
year
program
I
like
to
see
for
let's
say
additional
years
how
much
it
would
be
as
well,
because
these
guys
have
been
cheap.
You
know
for
five
years,
but
if
we
go
another
five
years
there
might
be
double
the
cost.
So
I'd
like
to
see
what
it
would
be
for.
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Maybe
I
misspoke
a
little
bit
so
this
this
is.
This
is
gonna,
be
a
12
to
15
month
build,
but
the
longevity
of
the
system
is
going
to
be
for
30
years.
So
all
these
costs
are
basically
upfront,
except
for
some,
the
maintenance
cost,
which
includes
the
collectors
and
some
of
the
technology.
That's
the
backbone
of
this
project.
Okay,.
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The
last
question
on
that
one
I've
been
doing
some
research.
You
know,
there's
there's
some
some
areas
with,
especially
with
what
we
have
the
systems
that
we
have
they're,
not
tamper,
proof
and
I
know.
Somebody
can
bypass
meters
so
I'd
like
to
see
in
that
future
ones
that
once
we're
gonna
spend
that
much
money
for
if
they
have
like
tamper
proof
and
make
sure
that
nobody
can
mess
with
them
or
tamper
or
bypass
them
right.
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So
currently
the
city
is
working
with
Ferguson
supplied,
Neptune
meters.
Neptune
meters
has
been
around
for
a
very
long
time,
American
matey's
product
I.
Think
most
of
these
are
american-made
nowadays
anyways,
but
so
the
city
does
have
an
established
relationship
with
Neptune.
So
there
would
be
some
additional
value
going
with
Neptune
because
we
actually
replace
meters.
You
know
they
still
have
a
good,
useful
life
that
could
save
us.
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Second
question
I
had,
for
you
is
there's
a
pretty
drastic
difference
between
each
company.
I
mean
you
know
we're
talking
about
on
a
high
of
8.9
to
we're
talking
about,
like
basically
9
million
to
a
low
of
7.6
million.
That's
a
huge
different
I'm.
Almost
a
million
1/2
difference
which
is
about
you
know,
15
20
%.
Difference
in
prices
is
that
that
common
at
this
level,
because
it
doesn't
seem
like
it
would
be
that
much
of
a
difference.
Typically.
Oh.
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Not
putting
their
cards
on
the
table,
I
guess
I
would
say
right
thanks.
They
did
this
I
reached
out
to
them,
and
they
did
this
in
good
faith.
I
mean
these
are
not
numbers
that
that
would
be
bid
right.
These
are
just
for
reference,
I
mean
I,
guess
what
it
comes
out
to
time
to
go,
to
bid
everything,
I
sharpened
her
pencil
one
way
or
the.
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The
last
question
I
had
for
director
sell
me
is
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
that
we're
having
right
now
is
with
different
residents
complaining
about
their
water
bills
and
I'm,
not
just
referencing.
The
last
call
that
we
had
a
little
at
the
last
meeting.
This
is
something
that's
somewhat
ongoing,
fortunately
or
unfortunately,
true
or
untrue,
but
it
does
come
up
a
lot.
Is
this
something
that
these
new
meters?
This
is
something
that
will
much
better
minimize
the
chances
of
error,
accuracy,
etc,
etc.
K
To
eliminate
the
high
water
bills
in
a
lot
of
clients
are
getting
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I
mean
just
over
the
weekend,
as
always,
somebody's
house
casualty
for
an
engagement
and,
and
they
themselves
again
mentioned,
and
then
those
like
you
know,
different
people's
kind
of
bringing
it
up
how
the
water
bills
are
coming
to
jovan
heights.
So
will
this
most
likely
either
eliminate
or
minimize
it?
Thank
you.
Well.
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This
this
this
this
will
not
reduce
their
water
bill.
This
will
make
an
accurate
water
bill.
These
meters
will
be
read
every
day,
not
by
you
know.
They
son
reads
to
a
collector.
We
can
get
that
data
and
break
it
down
in
five
minute
data.
Some
of
the
beauty
of
this
is
that
it
has
a
customer
service
tool
so
we're
actually,
you
can
have
a
app
where
the
resident
can
log
in
and
see
their
usage
on
a
on
a
daily
basis
on
an
hourly
basis.
They
can
program
exceptions
in
there.
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There's
a
lot
of
tools
somewhat
similar
to
if
you
like,
the
DTE
Energy
app
something
along
those
lines.
But
if
you,
google,
the
water
apps
there
there's
the
same
type
of
thing,
so
they
can
manage
your
water
system.
They
can
manage
their
water
use
if
they
use
say
they
want
to
use
more
than
100
gallons
per
day.
They
can
set
an
alarm
and
it'll
come
to
their
phone.
So
there's
a
lot
of
value
in
here.
It's
got
a
lot
of
great
customer
service
tools.
You
know,
that's
that's
my
opinion.
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What
concerns
me
is
where
we
get
into
this,
these
smart
meters
and
awake
technology
moves
in
five
years.
Are
we
going
to
be
obsolete
and
hit
with
another
big
bill
of
starting
all
over
again
wins
the
way
we
record
all
the
water
meters?
You
know
it
bothers
me
to
think
that,
because
that's
the
same
thing
happens
with
our
911
dispatch.
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So
I
would
answer
that
from
from
my
profession
that
the
answer
would
be
absolutely
not
15
years
ago.
I
would
have
said.
Yes,
I
did
this
program
in
another
community
about
five
seven
years
ago.
We
waited.
We
purposely
waited
five
to
six
years,
and
so
we
that
technology
leveled
out
and
that
we
would
never
have
that
happen
to
us.
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The
way
this
is
set
up
now,
they're
all
doing
it
the
same
way,
the
only
the
only
one
of
the
only
big
differences
right
now
is
some
are
using
a
cellular
backhaul,
which
would
be,
in
my
opinion,
risky
versus
building
your
own
data
collection.
So
that
would
be
the
only
two
things,
but
the
technology
and
the
meters,
those
those
aren't
going
away
or
anytime
soon.
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It's
hardwired
to
the
outside
of
the
home
just
like
it
is
now,
and
the
data
transmitted
transmitter
would
be
actually
the
battery
would
be
on
the
side
of
the
home,
studying
the
read
the
only
difference
being
now
right
now
we
walk
up
to
the
home
and
plug
a
computer
into
a
box,
the
difference
being
now
that
that
box
would
send
that
read
to
our
collector
into
our
servers
and
its
heart
from
the
meter
to
the
outside,
it's
hardwired
with
telephone
wires.
So
there's
no
stray.
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10
years
actually
they're
guaranteed
for
2010,
that's
fully
guaranteed
10
and
then
they're
prorated
after
10
would
be
my
recommendation
in
my
former,
where
we
did
this
before
we
put
like
a
penny.
One
Center
two
sent
in
the
rate
and
had
a
set-aside
fund
just
a
fund
for
batteries
and
10
to
12
years
because
they
do
start
to
wear
out,
but
the
first
10
years
is
a
hundred
percent
and
after
that
they're
pro.
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You
know
I
want
to
say
60
70
dollars,
so
if
you
fund
it
with
a
penny
or
two
and
the
rate
you
you
know,
you've
always
got
that
money
in
there
you're,
not
you
know
looking
to
find
a
way
to
and
in
ten
thousand
batteries
aren't
going
to
die
at
once
either
because
there's
not
you're
not
going
to
install
ten
thousand
meters
on
the
same
day
right.
So
they're
gonna
slowly
get
installed
over
time.
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C
One
item
my
unmuted
back
in
the
beginning
of
the
city:
they
bought
badger
meters
and
then
in
1989.
We
went
out
for
bids
for
meters
and
we
went
to
the
Neptune
meters,
so
we
have
had
a
history
of
the
Badger
and
the
Neptune
and
the
reason
we
went
from
Bajor.
The
neptune
meters
was
because
they
were
a
considerably
cheaper
cost,
and
that
was
why
the
the
city
fathers
made
the
decision
at
that
time.
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A
E
So
you
know
I
guess
what
John
was
doing
was
outlining
the
cost
of
all,
and
you
know
the
large
amount
of
the
cost
of
all
these
projects.
We
have
the
3cs
OS
and
then
the
meter,
and
now
you
know
how
will
we
pay
for
that?
And
the
discussions
have
been
the
bonding.
And
so
you
know,
we've
had
a
meeting
back
in
February
of
the
bond
council,
the
consultant
and
Martin,
and
then
we
also
had
a
kind
of
appendage
on
and
the
mayor.
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And
then
today,
Linda
Vance
was
Einon
the
second
conversation,
but
that
you
know
if
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
do
these
federally
mandated
projects
and
also
including
the
what
new
water
meters
that
we're
going
to
have
to
issue
bonds
for
those
and
so
and
the
amount
is
going
to
be
in
excess
of
the
twenty
five
million
three
hundred
thousand,
because
you
also
have
there's
a
cost
to
issue
the
bonds
and
then
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Pat
who
can
kind
of
talk
about
the
bonding
process.
But
then
also.
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H
Oh
so
this
is
Pat
Miguel.
So
for
those
of
you
that
know
me,
I
am
a
bond
attorney.
I've
worked
with
the
city
on
your
various
capital
financings
for
a
number
of
years,
so,
as
John
laid
out,
we
have
talked
about
this
project
in
the
best
ways
to
finance
it
and
really
there's
a
couple
different
components
here,
because
we
have
three
separate
CSO
projects
as
well
as
a
water
meter
project.
H
This
is
similar
to
other
financing
that
the
city
has
done
where
the
city
essentially
pledges
its
Full,
Faith
and
Credit
as
security,
although
in
this
case
the
repayment
of
the
bonds
would
come
from
a
couple
different
sources.
So,
as
many
of
you
know,
the
city
voters
many
years
ago
in
1997
approved
a
millage
specifically
to
pay
debt
service
on
bonds
issued
for
CSO
projects,
and
many
of
those
bonds
have
since
been
retired,
and
the
city
still
has
some
funds
remaining
from
that
millage.
H
It's
important
note-
and
we
discussed
this
over
the
last
several
years-
that
that
money
cannot
be
used
directly
to
pay
for
the
construction
of
CSO
projects.
It
can
only
be
used
to
pay
debt
service
on
bonds
issued
for
CSO
projects.
So
the
idea
is
that
we
would
be
including
the
CSO
projects
in
the
bond
issue
and
then
be
able
to
use
that
millage,
which
has
not
been
collected
for
several
years
now,
but
is
sitting
there
and
was
really
only
available
and
should
best
be
used
to
pay
debt
service
on
bonds
for
CSO
projects.
H
The
remaining
amount
of
debt
service
on
the
bonds
is
going
to
come
from
rates
and
charges
generated
by
users
of
the
system,
and
we
would
also
propose
including
the
meter
replacement
program
in
that,
so
that
it's
all
in
one
bond
issue,
which
leads
to
some
efficiencies
and
scale
and
costs
and
everything
else.
So
the
process
for
doing
this
is
really
kind
of
a
two
step
process
at
the
City
Council
level
relating
to
the
bonds.
H
So
this
process
is
very
similar
for
a
lot
of
other
types
of
bond
issues
where
there
is
sort
of
a
referendum
right,
and
that
is
why
it's
the
first
step
in
the
process
and
this
resolution.
We
have
a
draft
of
it
with
some
blanks
yet
to
complete.
But
the
idea
is
that
we
could
present
this
to
the
council
at
your
next
meeting
on
to
23rd,
to
consider
the
approval
of
this
resolution,
which
would
then
authorize
us
to
begin
the
process
for
setting
up
the
financing.
H
So
the
second
step
in
the
process
would
be
several
months
later,
as
we're
getting
closer
to
the
issuance
of
the
bonds.
We
would
then
come
back
to
the
City
Council
and
asked
for
a
resolution
authorizing
the
issuance
of
the
bonds.
At
that
point,
the
exact
amount
of
the
bond
issue
would
be
determined
or
the
parameters
for
that,
and
then
we
would
proceed
to
issue
and
sell
the
bonds.
H
So
the
first
step
here
would
be
the
Notice
of
Intent,
which
has
a
broad
what
I
call
a
not
to
exceed
amount
which
then
we
would
go
back
to
the
council
later
to
further
refine
that
the
initial
step
is
really
to
kind
of
get
the
parameters
now
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Paul
Stoddard
in
a
minute
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
structuring,
but
I
will
say
from
a
legal
standpoint.
What
we
usually
recommend
is
to
not
use
just
the
current
estimate
that
you
have
for
the
projects
right
now.
H
Those
are
based
upon
a
contingency
has
been
built
in
and
some
cost
escalation.
But,
as
we've
seen
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
you
know
costs
on
these
projects
can
be
uncertain.
We
would
recommend
increasing
that
number
by
adding
another
contingency
so
that
if
the
bids
came
in
higher
when
received,
we
wouldn't
have
to
go
through
that
Notice
of
Intent
step
process
again.
So
ultimately,
the
council
will
decide
at
a
later
date
what
the
actual
amount
of
the
bonds
would
be,
but
our
recommendation
would
be
to
do
something
bigger
than
right.
H
Now,
if
you
add
up
the
three
CSO
projects
and
the
water
main
or
the
water
meter
project
we're
looking
at
somewhere
in
the
year
twenty
five
point:
three
million
dollars.
You
know
the
number
that
I
had
in
my
head,
adding
another
10%
plus
issuance
cost-
would
put
that
somewhere
a
little
bit
above
twenty
eight
million
dollars
again.
But
that
doesn't
mean
that
you
would
have
to
issue
that
amount.
But
it
would
allow
you
to
get
that
initially
authorized
and
then
come
back
later
to
decide
what
the
actual
amount
of
the
bond
issue
would
be.
H
So
the
other
thing
that
we've
talked
about-
and
you
have
obviously
four
different
projects
with
different
time
tables.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
would
also
be
working
on
over
the
coming
months
would
be
determining
whether
it
makes
sense
to
issue
all
the
bonds
up
front
this
year
or
whether
we
would
do
a
subsequent
issue
later
and
I'll.
Let
Paul
Stoddard
talk
a
little
bit
about
those
considerations.
I
will
say
that
part
of
the
process
and
planning
has
been
to
work
with
martin
hellenic
from
plant
moran
and
Hodder.
M
H
Public
financial
management,
the
financial
adviser
to
make
sure
that
the
rate
structure
of
the
city
is
built
to
accommodate
that
and
I
know.
You've
done
a
lot
of
work
on
that
and
talked
about
that
quite
a
bit
over
the
last
several
months
in
several
years.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Paul
and
then
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
structure
of
the
financing.
H
I
I
That
would
be
around
4
million
dollars,
which
is
about
equivalent
to
the
amount
of
money
that
the
city
has
collected
over
the
years
for
CFL
projects,
and
by
doing
that,
then
the
remainder
of
the
loan
is
going
to
be
much
less
over
the
amortization
period,
just
in
very
round
numbers.
If
we
did
a
structure
like
that,
the
remaining
payments
over
a
20-year
term
would
be
about
1.5
million
dollars
a
year,
which
you
know
we
understand
your.
I
I
I
I
N
G
A
little
bit
of
a
mixed
feeling
here
and
we
do
this
construction
and
we're
gonna,
do
it
in
phases.
Obviously,
we
can't
do
all
of
these
projects
at
at
one
time
at
one
year.
So
when
someone
quotes
us
this
prices,
these
prices
are
going
to
be
locked
in.
It's
not
going
to
go
up
half
a
million
dollars
in
four
years.
When
you
start
another
project,
will
it.
F
F
G
F
G
B
H
H
We
would,
if
Bonz,
for
26
million
dollars
this
year
and
then,
if
it
turns
out
that
when
those
other
projects
are
bid
with
change
orders,
if
it
did
come
in
higher,
who
would
have
a
little
bit
extra
room
and
cushion
that
we
could
issue
a
bond
later
at
the
end
of
2021
or
2022.
That
would
cover
those
costs,
so
our
intent
is
not
to
have
a
large
number
that
we
borrow
and
have
money
left
over.
H
We
wouldn't
have
to
repeat
this
first
step
with
the
notice
of
intent
resolution,
so,
ultimately
councils
going
to
get
to
decide
at
a
later
meeting
what
that
actual
bond
amount
would
be,
and
again,
as
we
get
into
this
program
a
little
bit,
we
can
figure
out
whether
we'll
have
the
l
42
bits
before
that
or
not
so.
But
yes,
I,
think
your
point
is
a
good
one.
H
We're
not
talking
about
putting
a
bigger
number
in
here
right
now,
I
think
they
have
that
money
and
have
it
sit
in
and
borrow
too
much
we're
talking
about
having
the
ability
to
ask
for
bonds
in
that
amount.
If
it
turns
out,
we
need
more
than
the
current
projected
twenty
five
point:
three
million
dollars.
So
we're
really
trying
to
do
this
in
a
way
that
minimizes
having
to
go
back
and
repeat
steps
with
notices
and
preliminary
proceedings.
It
would
add
time
to
the
process.
H
M
B
C
One
question
I
think
it's
important
and
I
totally
concur
that
the
way
this
debt
is
being
set
up,
that
the
amount
and
I
don't
recall
exactly
how
much
I
think
was
two
or
three
million
dollars
that
was
over
collected
on
millage
ins
from
a
previous
debt
holding
will
all
be
used
upfront,
which
would
then
be
able
to
get
paid,
as
it's
indicated
against
debt,
so
that
decreases
the
overall
costs
of
the
interest
expense
over
the
bonding
period
and
am
I
right
in
assuming
that
after
at
first
year,
then
all
those
excess
funds
are
gone.
I.
H
C
I
E
Thank
You
Martin,
would
you
mind
taking
a
few
minutes
because
in
previous
water
budgets,
we've
kind
of
projected
some
of
these
bond
payments
and
under
this
new
circumstances
it
seems
like
the
bond
payments
are
going
to
be
a
little
bit
more
because
it's
gonna
include
the
meter
project
and
all
that
how
what
the
effect
on
the
water
rates
would
be.
If
you
could
just
kind
of
like
touch
on
there.
O
So
this
will
be
based
on
last
year's
model.
The
June
30
2019
model
that
was
looked
over
by
the
council
I
believe
the
meeting
was
in
November
December
and
what
we
did
when
we
were
working
with
the
city.
We
were
projecting
xvf.
15
million
won
five
bonding
for
this,
so
instead
of
the
twenty,
let's
just
say
25,
so
it
does
seem
like
a
significant
difference.
But
well
we
were
utilizing
in
the
tables
was
a
four
percent
interest
rate.
O
I
guess
one
of
the
very
few
things
that
came
out
of
the
that's
good
from
the
pandemic
is
the
interest
rates
plummeted.
So
by
increasing
from
15
million
to
25
million,
our
projections
showed
1.1
million
principal
and
interest
payments
for
20
years
in
the
model.
This
goes
up
to
about
1.5
1.6.
So,
even
though
the
dollar
amount
of
the
bonds
is
significantly
higher,
the
payments
themselves
are
not
proportionately
increased
because
the
interest
rate
is
so
much
less.
This
is
historical
lows
which
definitely
benefit
the
city
tremendously.
O
O
But
again
this
is
based
on
these
numbers,
so
there's
other
things
that
come
into
play.
For
example,
you
know
someone
that
costs
other
cost.
You
know
water
costs
so
as
treatment
costs
and
things
like
that.
If
those
changed
clearly,
the
rates
may
not
be
the
same.
But
if
we're
just
basing
it
off
of
this
six
30
2019
numbers
we'd
be
looking
at
one
percent
increase
so
last
year,
again,
I
believe
it
was
in
December.
E
Appreciate
that
I
think
it
kind
of
it
kind
of
takes
this
full
circle.
When
we're
talking
about
additional
bonding,
how
much
the
additional
monthly
rate
would
be
on
paying
off
those
bonds
and
then
how
would
that
affect
the
rate
structure?
Because
there's
two
things
we
want
to
do:
we
want
to
use
the
CSO
funding
upfront
so
that
we
get
we
get
clear
off
that
issue
and
then
you
have.
E
O
B
G
Kind
of
lost,
my
train
of
thought
there
I
know,
but
it's
money
being
thrown
around
like
it's
water
I
mean
25
point
three
million
that
went
six
million
dollars
and
question
is,
is
since
this
is
federally
mandated.
Don't
we
get
anything
from
the
from
Washington
or
Lansing
on
this
I
mean
if
they're
mandating
that
we
do.
This
I
thought
what
a
mandated
something
we
get.
Some
eight.
G
D
C
Other
thing
is:
there's
a
federal
mandated
Clean
Water
Act,
and
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
when
you
have
combined
sewer
overflows
you're
in
violation
of
the
Clean
Water
Act,
and
that's
pushing
a
lot
of
this.
The
other
thing
I
will
tell
you
councilman,
is
that
over
ten
years
ago
we
were
mandated
to
do
these.
C
All
the
CSO's
in
the
city
of
Dearborn
Heights
and
we've
been
able
to
put
this
project
off
for
the
ten
years
and
part
of
the
rationale,
and
the
reason
was
that
we
knew
the
bacons
debt
would
be
coming
off
in
year,
2020.
So
in
order
to
help
our
ratepayers
we've
got
debt
coming
off
with
this
new
debt
coming
on
and
it
minimizes
the
impact
on
rates.
But
we
actually
benefited
in
some
regards
on
some
of
the
CSO's
as
a
result
of
the
city
of
Detroit,
going
through
its
bankruptcy.
But
Inkster
took
care
of
these
cause.
C
These
overflows,
in
their
section
of
the
town
about
seven
or
eight
years
ago
and
I,
questioned
what
they
were
doing.
In
fact,
they
were
asking
us
to
do
the
same
work
at
the
same
time
and
then,
if
you
remember,
the
Inkster
water
rates
just
escalated
through
the
ceiling
and
we
held
off
and
did
not,
and
we
managed
to
convince
the
state
to
hold
off
on
mandating
these
particular
projects,
but
that
ability
to
hold
it
off
has
ended.
B
L
O
O
So
the
model
the
city
always
looks
five
years
ahead,
which
does
an
excellent
basis.
Some
cities
look
only
one
year
ahead,
which
that
triggers
a
lot
of
ups
and
downs
and
rates
and
clearly
there's
some
big
projects
at
one
point
or
another.
The
city
of
your
clients
always
looks
at
five
years
ahead,
which
provides
a
little
more
of
a
smoothing
effect
as
a
result.
L
E
Madam
chair,
oh
I,
guess
when
I'd
like
to
say
one
I
mean
a
one
benefit
and
maybe
John
or
Dan
could
talk
about.
This
is
I
mean
you
know,
installing
those
new
water
meters
I
mean
part
of
that
goal
is
to
to
remove
the
loss
that
we're
having
in
the
system.
You
know,
I,
think
there's
a
certain
percentage
and
I.
O
F
B
J
E
So
right
now
there's
the
surplus
revenues
from
prior
tax
collection.
That's
going
to
be
used
right
up
front
to
pay
off
these
bonds
in
the
initial
years,
we're
not
going
to
the
taxpayers
to
pay
for
the
rest
of
the
bonds.
It's
going
to
be
paid
through
rates,
so
there
will
be
no
surplus
like
there
was
with
the
CSO
surplus
for
tax
collection.
B
K
B
K
The
question
I'm
not
sure
if
this
question
was
answered
by
Martin
or
by
John
Riley
the
rates
that
we
have
right,
that
they
are
available
right
now
are
just
unbelievably
low,
whether
it's
for
real
estate
or
for
this.
This
is
gonna,
be
locked
in
for
us,
obviously,
for
the
whole
term
of
bond.
It's
it's!
It's
not
an
adjustable
rates
of
fixed
rate.
Is
that
correct,
that's
correct!
So
is
it
not
advantageous
than
for
us
to
do
this
now
versus
next
year?
K
Because,
as
you
are
just
as
aware
a
lot
of
times
just
before
major
elections,
presidential
elections,
they
tend
to
keep
the
interest
rates
low
because
it
looks
good
for
the
economy
and
all
that,
whereas
next
year,
when
Colvard
is
gone,
elections
are
gone.
There's
a
high
likelihood
that
an
eraser
rates-
wouldn't
it
be
much
more
advantageous
for
us
to
do
this
right
now
versus
possibly
next
year.
I.
G
E
This
one
bonding,
you
won't
have
to
cost
of
issuances.
If
you
have
end
up
having
to
have
a
second
series,
so
I
would
say
you
know
you
know
kind
of
be
generous
with
that
first
bonding,
because
if
because
it's
going
to
cost
you
more
to
do
a
second
body
because
you
might
either
have
a
higher
interest
rate
or
a
second
cost
of
issuance.
E
J
D
Manager
vessel,
so
this
this
prior
discussion
was,
was
related
to
the
water
budget.
There's
really
not
much
of
a
conversation
for
the
water
budget.
We
were
just
looking
for
some
direction
about
going
forward
with
these
bonds
so
that
we
can
develop
the
budget
and
get
it
to
the
council
here
in
next
month
or
so.
E
E
Think
one
thing
is:
we
should
say
what
that
number
should
be
and
then
have
the
council
approve
that
so
that
the
the
voters
or
the
residents
would
have
time
to
challenge
this
issue
in
these
bonds,
but
then
later
on
again,
as
the
bids
come
in,
we'll
actually
size
the
bonds
at
a
lower
amount.
That's
then
that,
what's
in
the
Notice
of
Intent,
is
that
right,
Patrick.
A
H
Yes,
that
that's
correct
the
idea
would
be
we
would
come
to
the
Commission
or
a
council
next
week
with
that
I.
Don't
know
that
we
have
necessarily
decided
on
the
number
yet,
but
that
would
be
an
action
item
for
the
City
Council
next
week
for
consideration
of
approval
of
that
Notice
of
Intent
resolution.
Patrick.
E
H
So
I'll
give
you
my
my
legal
answer
and
ultimately
I
think
from
a
legal
standpoint,
I
like
to
know
that
when
we
do
the
Notice
of
Intent
resolution,
we
don't
have
to
go
back
at
projects
come
in
a
little
higher
than
anticipated
with
engineering
costs.
You
know
they
do
a
great
job
estimating
those,
but
you
know,
prices
change.
We
see
price
increases
that
were
unforeseeable,
so
I
like
to
use
a
number,
that's
bigger
than
what
we
think
we
need,
but
not
so
big
that
it
scares
people.
H
So
you
know
we're
talking
about
some
big
numbers
here,
but
if
we
look
at
a
twenty
five
million
dollar
project
cost
and
I
think
Dan
had
included
a
five
percent
contingency
and
escalation.
My
thought
would
be
that
I
would
want
to
have
at
least
another
ten
percent
contingency
cost
the
buffer
in
there
and
include
money
for
issuance
costs
as
well.
H
So
you
know
my
math
has
that
coming
around
somewhere
between
28
and
29
million
I,
don't
know
if
Paul
was
able
to
run
numbers
necessarily
this
afternoon
or
if
he
has
a
different
thought,
but
I
I
would
feel
better
if
we
had
another
10%
construction
contingency
built
into
it,
because
at
least
half
of
this
project
has
still
not
been
bid,
and
we
don't
really
know
that
those
numbers
are
going
to
come
in
at
that
same
level
when
they
are
fit
so
Paul.
Do
you
have
a
thought
on
what
that
number
should
be.
B
I
E
I
H
I
H
What
that
does
by
having
a
number
larger
than
what
we
think
we
need
is
that
if
it
does
come
in
higher,
we
wouldn't
have
to
go
back
and
repeat
this
first
step.
But
in
any
case
the
actual
bond
size
would
be
set
by
the
City
Council.
And
hopefully
we
would
have
better
better
numbers
at
that
point,
and-
and
so
that's,
why
we're
looking
for
authorizing
at
the
initial
stage
and
not
to
exceed
amount
number
which
is
hopefully
going
to
be
larger
than
what
we
actually
end
up
wish
to.
E
E
B
D
J
D
Martin
saw
so
we
I
can
give
a
brief
overview.
We
spoke
a
month
ago
or
so,
whatever
it
was
about
this
budget
I
don't
want
to
speak
out
of
school
here,
but
the
revenues
didn't
come
in
as
anticipated.
We
put
together
a
budget
for
for
next
year's
road
projects
and
you'll
see
on
the
page
each
their
tab,
3
I,
guess
it
is
there
we
had
up.
D
O
I
can
go
on
a
high
level,
the
very
first
page
of
the
document,
it
kind
of
shows
the
fork
that's
numbers
for
next
year
with
getaway
types,
no,
but
just
x51
revenue.
It
is
projected
in
total,
two
major
local
streets
to
be
about
million
dollars
lower
than
this
past
year,
based
on
correspondence
that
we
received
from
the
state.
O
Now,
the
actual
we
don't
know
what's
really
gonna
happen,
we're
definitely
hoping
the
economy
rebounds
much
quicker,
but
as
of
right
now
the
projections
are
about
a
million
dollars
lower.
So
literally,
very
substantial
majority
of
the
expenses
in
the
major
local
streets
are
construction
related,
the
other
expenses
that
exist,
some
administration
numbers
traffic
services
and
other
things
we're
projecting.
O
Basically,
an
inflationary
increases,
so
majority
of
the
budget
is
definitely
a
driven
Ida
construction,
that's
projected
by
the
city
and
what's
needed
and
that's
on
page
three
of
the
document,
and
it
lets
out
all
the
projects
that
are
coal
to
be
prepared
and
John
over
the
next
year.
But
you'll
see
that
there's
many
notes
that
they
have
to
be
delayed
until
next
year
or
the
following
year,
or
even
after
that,
because
there's
not
enough
funds
in
the
major
local
streets.
B
G
D
So
what
the
projects
are
that
we're
proposing
to
do
and
the
local
streets
is
Lila
Lane
from
Beach
Daly
to
Wilson
and
then
Kenmore
Arnold,
Lock,
Dale
and
nightingale
south
of
Ann
Arbor
trail
around
the
church.
Over
there
those
roads
have
met
their
life
expectancy
and
then
some
South
field
service
drive.
Napple
estuve
am
born
on
the
right
lane
there
and
then
do
some
deck
bridge
deck
replacement
there
or
repairs.
D
There
is,
you
know
a
bunch
of
other
projects
that
we
identified,
that
we
wanted
to
do
this
here,
but
the
revenues
obviously
didn't
come
in
and
also
on
a
suggestion
from
plant
Miranda
Martin
that
we
budget
a
little
bit
more
conservative,
because
those
numbers
could
even
come
in
a
little
bit
less.
So
then
we
have
taken
that
into
consideration.
Also.
B
D
D
Another
component
to
this
is
pressure
issues
from
the
Great
Lakes
Water
Authority,
which
we
have
been
working
with
the
authorities
to
help
manage
our
our
water
main
break
issues.
We
are
installing
some
pressure:
sensors
downstream
of
some
of
their
meter,
pits
a
week
and
analyze
their
pressures.
They
caused
us
a
lot
of
heartburn
from
time
to
time.
D
So
in
the
big
picture,
it's
a
combination
of
multiple
things,
but
the
number
one
thing
for
sure
is:
you
need
accurate
meter
if
I'm,
making
coca-cola
and
I
don't
know
how
much
I'm
selling,
because
I
don't
know
how
to
meet
her.
You
know
those
are
those
are
important
things
there
and
will
it
cure
the
horse
issue?
No,
but
what
will
it
contribute?
Oh
yes,
wouldn't.
N
D
Well,
we
have
25
twenty
thousand-plus
customers
that
are
using
water.
A
broken
water
main
is
not
going
to
equal
that
amount,
and
the
city
has
aggressively
been
replacing
water
main
over
the
years
and
since
I've
been
here,
they've
continued
to
be
aggressive
about
it
and
we're
identifying
the
areas
you
know
where
that
needs
to
happen.
So
you.
N
I
have
no
problem
with
changing.
Actually
I
would
like
to
see
in
your
meters
where
you
know
they
cannot
be
overridden
somehow,
and
people
use
water
without
paying
for
it.
But
I
would
like
really
to
see
some
calculation
how
much
water
we
lose
from
the
breakage
and
how
much
water
we
lose
by
not
the
charge
in
the
customers
because
of
the
meters.
A
I
had
a
question,
but
I
didn't
get
the
floor
earlier.
So
why
not
ask
questions?
But
my
question
is
about
the
water
meters
from
previous
budgets,
the
previous
water
budgets
we
had
approved
there
and
I
have
any
my
notes.
I
was
reviewing
the
previous
budgets.
We
were
advised
that
water
rate
increases
were
necessary
to
accommodate
purchasing
those
water
meters.
Can
you
tell
us
if
how
many
have
been
purchased
and
how
many
of
them
replaced
in
homes.
D
For
one
been
here
for
one
budget,
so
I
mean
I,
don't
really
know
I
mean
we.
We
when
meters
go
bad,
we
replace
them.
You
know,
I,
don't
you
know,
I,
don't
have
the
number
on
the
top
of
my
head
right
now.
You
know
it's.
Not
thousands.
I
can
assure
you
20
30
40
50,
something
along
those
lines.
I
mean
I,
don't
you
know,
but
we
have
a
medium
eatery
Pera
budget.
You
know
and
those
types
of
things
in
there
right.
A
My
my
was,
though,
because
of
the
water
budget
discussions
that
had
come
up
where
you
know
we
needed
this
water
rate
increase
to
accommodate
purchasing.
So
this
was
in
discussion
for
a
few
years
now
about
replacing
these
water
meters,
because
we
can
all
agree
that
we
here
the
water
meter
said
we
have
now
on
homes
are
slowing
down,
we
are
losing
water
count
and
it
does
impact
pain,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
follow
up
on
that.
D
Well,
that's
what
you're
trying
what
your
question
is,
but
if
we're
gonna
change
the
meters,
we
need
to
change
them
all
change
them
all
in
a
time
frame.
Cuz
we're
also
talking
about
not
just
the
meter
itself,
but
how
we
collect
the
reads:
how
we
build
those
reads,
all
those
types
of
things
there's
a
whole
new
process,
a
whole
new
infrastructure,
a
whole
new
background.
So
just
you
know
to
piecemeal
it
all
right,
I,
don't
think
you
get
a
much
value
for
your
dollar
there.
Okay.
M
D
So
the
so
the
beach
to
bless.
My
now
is
right.
Now
the
beach
daily
bridge
itself
going
underneath
Ann
Arbor
trails
at
what
you're
speaking
about
correct,
that
that
is
a
that's
probably
at
Wayne
County
jurisdiction,
Road
there.
You
know
so
I
I,
don't
know
what
they
have
any
plans
here
in
the
near
future
to
do
anything
with
that,
but
we
certainly
can
reach
out
to
them.
The.