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From YouTube: Dearborn Heights Study Session - 3/29/22
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The Dearborn Heights Study Session regarding the Charter Review taking place Tuesday, March 29th 2022 at Riverside Middle School and over Zoom.
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B
A
Thank
you
29th,
and
we
have
city
council
charter
review
committee
review.
There
was
a
resolution
that
was
presented
by
our
former
council
members
o'hare
abdul
haq.
At
one
point.
This
was
back
on
september,
the
14th
of
last
year,
16.
that
was
14
december.
B
A
I
probably
signed
it
2021
and
we
are
doing
a
study
session
at
this
particular
point
to
go
ahead
and
continue
to
move
this
forward.
One
of
the
things
in
that
resolution,
which
you
can
find
it
if
you'd
like
to
look
up
the
minutes
from
september
14th
2021,
I'm
just
going
to
go
over
some
of
the
major
points
involved
at
our
regular
meeting
for
the
city
of
dublin
heights
city
council
held
on
september,
14
2021,
the
following
resolution
was
offered
and
I'm
just
going
to
go
over
the
bullet
points,
not
every
single
point
on
there.
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Whereas
such
a
committee
of
the
city
council
should
review
the
city
charter
with
respect
to
the
city
charter
provisions
that
should
be
updated,
revised,
amended
or
added,
and
thereafter
report
its
findings
and
recommendations
to
the
entire
city
council.
In
order
for
the
entire
city
council
to
take
any
actions
it
deems
appropriate.
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So
at
this
particular
point
it
is
just
going
to
be
a
general
overview
as
far
as
the
charter
revisions
and
which
direction
we're
going
to
take
as
a
city
council,
and
this
will
be
with
the
help
of
our
great
city,
clerk's
office,
our
mayor
and
his
administration
and,
of
course,
our
corporation
counselor,
gary
miyatki.
In
addition
to
us
at
city,
council
and
input
from
the
residents.
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One
of
the
people
that
I
asked
to
come
in
today,
I
figured
this
would
be
a
good
idea
to
be
able
to
pick
up
some
best
practices.
The
city
of
dearborn,
as
some
of
you
may
or
may
not
know,
had
elected
officials.
In
this
particular
case,
to
the
charter
review
board
and
amongst
them
is
hassan
abdallah.
Who
for
full
transparency,
is
my
cousin
he's
the
chairperson
of
the
charter
review
revision
and
they
have
been
meeting
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
for
roughly
around
three
or
four
months.
He'll.
A
C
Council
chair,
I
just
want
to
note
that
there
is
a
big
distinction
between
the
charter
review
commission
in
dearborn
and
this
as
a
committee
and
just
just
to
be
clarify
it's
okay,
oh
no!
No!
That's!
That
was
all.
I
was
going
to
say
that
that
their
charter
review
commission
is
something
that's
actually
required,
and
then
you
can
end
up
having
elected
members
of
that.
This
is
an
internal
group
within
the
city
council.
That
would
come
up
with
recommendations
to
to
the
council's
about
right.
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E
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Right
I'll
start
over
respect
the
council
members
city
of
dearborn
officials,
mr
mayor
and
corporation
council,
thank
you
for
having
me
my
name
is
hassan
abdullah.
I
currently
serve
as
the
chairman
of
the
city
of
dearborn
charter
commission,
I'm
a
regulatory
and
municipal
compliance
attorney
by
trade
and
currently
serve
as
the
compliance
officer
for
nyu
and
oscar
health.
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I
did
mention
to
council,
chair
and
to
the
city
clerk's
office
just
before
the
meeting
that,
in
similar
fashion,
I
have
been,
you
know,
retained
as
a
as
not
as
counsel
but
as
a
consultant
in
this
space.
For
the
city
of
hamtramck,
it's
a
it's
a
space
of
work
that,
for
some
reason
I
find
interesting,
but
I
hope
that
I
can
offer
some
good
counsel
or
at
least
advice
and
best
practice
for
you
guys
today.
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So
in
the
first
page,
you
just
see
an
outline
and
then,
after
that
I'll
get
into
the
city
charter,
its
purpose
and
role
within
city
government.
As
you
all
likely
know,
the
foundation
of
a
local
government
and
the
charter
serves
as
the
foundation
of
local
government
and
its
constitution.
Essentially,
it
also
serves
as
both
an
evidentiary
and
legal
standard
within
city
government.
I
mean
there
are
specific
provisions
in
a
city
charter
that
do
that,
and
I
can
go
into
those
in
more
detail
a
little
bit
later.
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It
establishes
the
framework
much
like
an
operating
manual
on
a
corporation
or
business
around
key
day-to-day
functions
of
your
residents
lives
right.
It
talks
about
your
taxes,
your
tax
system,
public
safety,
your
election
processes
and
the
structure
of
your
city's
administration.
It
outlines
the
powers
of
all
branches
of
government,
so
it
will
delineate
what
are
the
powers
of
council.
What
are
the
powers
of
the
mayor,
including
veto
powers?
What
are
the
powers
of
council
if
you
look
at
model
charters?
There's
a
lot
of
things
about.
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You
know
their
investigative
powers,
their
ability
to
enact
and
enforce
ordinances.
The
punishments
are
penalties
applicable
to
that
it
defines
the
city's
administration.
So,
for
example,
if
you
look
at
the
city
of
dearborn
right
now,
there's
a
large
shift
in
the
city's
administration
under
the
leadership
of
mayor
hamoud
may
hammut
has
come
in
and
they've
redefined.
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What
you
want
to
have
essentially
serve
as
almost
permanent
to
the
city's
framework
and
a
violation
of
the
city
charter
by
state
law
is
considered
a
misdemeanor,
and
so
that's
another
thing
to
think
of
when
you're
thinking
about
the
language
and
the
applicability
of
it
and
not
wanting
to
be
too
granular.
In
that
language,
because
then
mr
miyaki
would
be
a
very
busy
corporation
council
and
having
to
defend
that
in
litigation.
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It
talks
about
the
inclusions
of
boards
and
commissions,
for
example
within
dearborn.
We
have
the
civil
service
commission,
the
charter
commission,
our
board
of
ethics.
Our
library
commission
are
all
mandated
by
charter.
We
also
have
a
traffic
commission
that
was
newly
adopted
by
referendum.
That's
now
mandated
in
charter
as
well.
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So
you
think
about
what
are
some
key
things
that
a
city
needs
and
does
it
make
more
sense
for
that
to
live
under
the
administration
in
a
specific
department,
or
does
that
make
sense
to
delegate
that
through
an
appointed
body
or
a
multi-member
body
within
a
border
commission?
Again
I
talked
about
the
taxation
process,
retirement
funds,
that's
another
big
piece
in
a
lot
of
city
charters
within
dearborn
we
have
the
chapter
21
and
23.
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retirement
retirement
and
pension
funds
which
pertain
to
our
public
safety
officers
and
their
beneficiaries.
So
that's
another
thing
that
I
didn't
have
the
chance
to
look
in
specifically
of
dearborn
heights
charter,
but
that's
another
thing
that
if
it
lives
in
there,
you
want
to
think
about
what
that
applicable.
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Language
looks
like
and
how
that
impacts
this
body
and
the
decisions
you
guys
make
towards
those
funds
I'll
continue
to
go
through
and
then
I'll
leave
at
the
end
for
questions,
if
that's
best,
for
you
guys
the
charter
review
process,
so
why
you
review
one
of
the
the
main
standard
of
which
charter
reviews
linda
live
under?
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Is
the
home
rule
city
act,
city
act,
act,
279
of
1909,
which
essentially
establishes
two
main
frameworks,
is
one
the
necessity
to
have
a
charter
review
on
a
periodic
basis
and
then
two
it
gives
the
ability
for
cities
to
mandate.
What
that
process
looks
like
in
the
city
of
dearborn,
the
question
of
a
charter
review
comes
up
on
a
ballot
every
12
years,
so
every
12
years
on
an
election
ballot.
It
will
come
up
to
the
voters
and
ask
them
essentially
in
a
in
this
last
primary
it
looked.
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It
was
in
proposal
a
and
says:
do
you
want
to
review
the
charter
and
if
the
majority
says
yes,
then,
in
that
following
general
election
in
that
right
now,
a
couple
months
later,
the
the
electors
will
elect
a
nine-member
body
which
is
now
the
charter
commission
for
to
to
take
charge
of
reviewing
the
the
charter
itself.
There
are
a
lot
of
different
ways
that
charter
commission
reviews,
boards
or
commissions
are
constructed
across
different
cities.
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I
think
one
thing
that
you
guys
want
to
think
about
is
the
necessity
for
independence
of
your
charter
review.
Commission
and
the
reason
being
is
because
you
know,
as
we
act
as
an
independent
body,
it
gives
us
both
the
flexibility
to
be
able
to
have
an
exploratory
and
investigative
review
of
the
charter.
So
not
only
do
so.
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What
happens
prior
and
I'll
talk
about
this
in
the
road
ahead
in
funding,
but
what
happens
is
prior
to
proposal
a
being
passed
last
year
the
dearborn
city
council
had
to
by
mandate
of
our
charter
and
state
law
that's
applicable
to
it.
They
had
to
pass
a
resolution
that
established
essentially
two
things,
one,
the
budget
that
the
charter
commission
would
have
should
it
be
established
and
two
the
time
frame,
the
meeting,
the
maximum
amount
of
meetings
that
commission
would
have
in
order
to
complete
its
review.
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So
they
established
a
90
meeting
max
and
about
a
90
000
budget
throughout
that
time,
but
granted
close
to
half
of
that
is
dedicated
to
the
compensation
of
the
individuals
who
serve
on
the
commission
because
they
are
elected
if
we
are
elected
officials
and
get
paid
for
being
at
meetings.
So
the
remainder
of
the
budget
is
at
the
discretion
of
the
commission,
and
should
we
ever
need
the
point
to
need
more
money?
Not
that
I
anticipate
we
would.
We
would
come
back
to
the
council
for
that.
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Next
page
will
talk
to
you
about
funding,
and
this
is
why
it's
really
important
for
this
body
and
the
specific
committee
that
would
be
in
charge
of
this
to
understand
what
that
would
look
like.
As
I
look
today
and
as
I've
looked
at,
and
I
know
that
in
our
city
meetings,
we
publicize
all
our
meetings,
but
that's
also
because
we're
subject
to
the
open
meetings
act,
and
so
we
have
cd
tv
streaming,
which
is
our
city
of
dearborn
television.
They
stream
our
meetings,
we
stream
them
on
zoom.
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But
you
want
to
look
at
minimizing
financial
obligations
and
that's
where
a
council
resolution
at
the
start
and
prior
to
your
review
is
necessary
is
to
understand
okay.
What
is
this
time
frame
that
we're
going
to
work
with
that?
We
want
to
establish
in
general
across
the
country,
usually
two
to
three
years.
Is
that
process
you
want
to
have
a
commitment
of
members
both
from
the
administration
and
the
city
council?
Should
city
council
members
serve
on
that
commission,
as
well
as
from
the
public?
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Subject
matter:
expertise
if
there
is
any
best
practice
we've
picked
up
in
the
few
months
we've
met
is
the
necessity
for
subject
matter,
expertise,
your
city
charter,
to
my
earlier
point
about
the
language
and
the
applicability
of
the
language.
It's
the
most
important
legal
document
in
your
city
and
the
reason
that's
important.
Besides.
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The
fact
that
we
don't
want
to
inundate
mr
miyaki
with
boundless
amounts
of
litigation
is
the
fact
that,
depending
on
the
boards
and
commissions
and
the
authoritative
powers
you
put
in
your
charter,
that
will
also
give
rise
to
potential
other
issues
that
you
may
run
into
on
a
city
basis
from
a
legal
perspective.
So
when
I
talked
about
the
charter
being
your
evidentiary
and
legal
standard,
that's
where
it
starts,
because
essentially
everything
you
do
in
your
city
should
follow
your
city
charter,
and
that
is
your
legal
standard.
That's
your!
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You
know
your
standard
that
you
want
to
be
able
to
follow,
and
so
some
of
the
the
expertise
that
I
have
found
to
be
most
effective
for
us
people
who
have
experience
in
legal
writing,
regulatory
law,
corporate
or
municipal
compliance,
municipal
legislation,
tax
election
processes
and
civic
engagement.
Those
are
the
areas
that
we
have
found
to
be
the
most
applicable
to
our
review
and
as
again,
I
I've
noted
this,
but
council
should
adopt
a
resolution
to
establish
our
budget
in
meeting
time
frame,
resource,
etc.
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Mr
miyaki
notated
the
distinction
between
an
elected
body
reviewing
the
commission
versus
what
the
city
of
dearborn
heights
is
adopting
here,
so
you're
not
subject
to
those
same
requirements
by
law.
However,
you
will
find
that
creating
that
framework
and
expectations
through
resolution
now
will
allow
for
a
better
process
and
smoother
process
later
on
moving
on
into
the
road
ahead.
Aside
from
the
fact
that
it's
a
lot
of
work,
residents
of
a
community
have
the
right
and
responsibility
to
shape
their
local
government
and
you'll
want
to
identify
what
that
would
look
like.
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Within
your
review
process,
I've
heard
and
read
the
council
resolution
about
the
potential
appointment
of
two
members
of
the
public.
I
believe
it
was,
and
so
if
that
is
the
case,
you're
going
to
want
to
think
about
what
that
appointment
process
would
look
like
what
we
have
done
in
our
city
charter.
Commission
is
we
establish
a
public
engagement
subcommittee,
and
so
what
we've
done
is
we
have
our
commission
and
then
we
have
a
subcommittee
that
is
going
to
appoint
six
members
of
our
public.
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That
will
be
there
not
in
a
binding
role
but
in
an
advisory
opinion
to
get
feedback.
Think
about
ideas.
But
more
importantly-
and
this
is
where
I
feel
the
role
of
the
public
plays,
a
bigger
role
is,
when
you
finish
with
your
review,
you're
going
to
have
to
put
this
on
a
ballot
for
the
we
will
at
least
have
to
put
this
on
a
ballot
for
the
voters
to
approve
on.
So
any
amendments
to
your
charter
would
have
to
go
through
the
same
ballot
referendum.
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So
what
we
have
seen
is
that
these
six
appointed
people
are
also
going
to
serve
as
ambassadors
of
our
charter.
Commission.
Right
is
that
when
we
finish
our
review,
we
want
them
to
be
able
to
serve
as
voices
and
ambassadors
within
their
networks,
their
city,
their
neighborhood
organizations,
to
say
that,
yes,
we
do
want
to
support
this
charter
review
and
hopefully
that
through
their
role,
we
want
to
be
able
to
get
there
so
to
to
move
forward
again.
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There's
a
lot
of
high
level
outlines
about
some
best
practices
in
there,
and
I
think
the
the
one
piece
I
want
to
note
before
concluding,
or
at
least
leading
to
questions
is
the
ballot
referendum
process
charter
reviews
are
subject
to
the
review
of
your
attorney
general
within
the
state
of
michigan.
So
upon
that
completion
it
would
go
to
the
attorney
general's
office.
They
would
review
it
mainly
for
compliance
with
state
law.
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D
Those
have
to
go
out
because
in
the
2011
legislation
no
longer
allows
that
within
city
charters,
and
so
whenever
we
would
send
that
to
the
ag's
office,
they
would
tell
us
that
we'd
have
to
remove
that
and
then
lastly,
I
just
included
a
slide
about
the
charge
or
the
duties
of
the
review
commission.
Those
are
some
things
that
you
want
to
consider
when
you're
thinking
about
the
people
who
will
serve
on
it.
D
My
biggest
one
is
probably
four
and
five,
which
is
draft
with
the
intent
of
transparency
and
with
as
much
layman
language
as
possible.
You
want
to
make
this
so
that
your
general
public
could
read
and
understand
it
and,
lastly,
maintain
integrity,
rules
of
order
and
flexibility
in
your
review
process.
So
when
you
think
about
adopting
a
resolution
for
time
frame
and
budgets,
that's
what
you
you
know,
probably
want
to
be.
As
your
north
star,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any.
A
Questions,
thank
you
very
much
well
put
together.
Thank
you
at
this
particular
point.
I
just
want
to
check
before
we
go
to
our
corporation
counselor
gary
miyaki,
and
maybe
the
mayor
wants
to
also
mention
anything
any
questions
for
hassan
before
he
gets
off
the
podium.
F
You,
mr
father,
great
presentation.
My
first
question
is
you
mentioned
something
about
proposal.
A
is
that
a
state
proposal,
or
is
it
a
city
of
dublin
proposal.
D
So
it's
a
city
of
dearborn
proposal,
that's
created
by
the
mandate
of
our
charter,
so
because
of
the
fact
that
we
subject
our
charter
to
review
every
12
years
within
our
charter
that
every
12
years
it
goes
to
the
ballot
in
a
primary
election.
D
D
Yeah,
so
we
established
a
subcommittee
which
includes
three
members
of
the
commission
and
then
we
put
general
some
we
didn't
want
to
bind
ourselves
to
qualifications.
So
much
as
we
did
want
to
make
sure
of
two
two
main
things
is
one
residency
was
a
was
a
requirement
that
we
put.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
people
were
residents
of
the
city
of
dearborn
two,
we
have
an
application
process,
so
it's
actually
on
our
city's
website,
which
we
have
a
city.
We
have
a
charter
commission
page
on
our
city's
website.
D
You
click
on
the
link.
The
application
says
you
know
essentially
a
statement
of
interest.
You
know
what
are
some
past
roles
you've
played
in
civic
engagement
and
government,
and
then
we
do
a
30
minute
interview
with
every
single
applicant
and
then
two
of
three
of
our
committee
members
have
to
vote
in
the
affirmative
to
nominate
that
person
and
then
the
full
commission,
the
full
non-body
commission
votes
on
the
appointment.
D
Yeah,
so
the
city
council
establishes
that
by
resolution,
that's
one
so
the
home
rule
act
within
the
state
requires
that
if
you
mandate
a
review
of
your
charter,
which
we
have
council
has
to
pass
that
resolution
so
prior
to
proposal,
a
even
being
passed
council
has
to
pass
that
resolution
for
budgetary
reasons
right.
They
want
to
make
sure
that,
coming
into
this
time
frame,
we
have
that
prepared,
so
they
established
a
90
meeting
maximum
and
a
budget
of
approximately
ninety
thousand
dollars.
The
last
time
there
was
a
charter
commission
within
dearborn,
which
was
2006..
H
G
C
Well,
yeah,
I
my
understanding
was
that
the
committee
was
to
basically
focus
in
on
specific
items.
That
would
be
a
concern
and
then
end
up
coming
up
with
something,
as
opposed
to
a
charter
review
charter
review.
Commission
can
basically
come
up
and
say
you
know
what
we
think:
we're
going
to
go
to
a
council
manager,
form
of
government
and
that's
what
we're
going
to
recommend
and
recommend
a
change
in.
Basically
everything.
C
You
know,
and
I'm
not
I'm
not
judging
that
one
way
or
the
other
I'm
just
saying
my
impression,
based
on
the
discussions
of
the
council
last
year,
was
that
the
council
wanted
to
go
with
a
committee
as
opposed
to
a
revision
in
order
to
make
some
changes
of
things
that
were
obsolete,
specific
items
right
and
not
necessarily
inconsequential
items,
but
things
that
people
really
felt
needed
to
be
updated
and
really
felt
need
to
be
clear.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
you
run
into
whenever
you
do.
C
Any
sort
of
changes
to
the
charter
is
yes,
there
is
stuff
in
there
about
justices
of
peace
and
the
wayne
county
commission
and
all
these
other
things,
and
you
can
sit
there
and
say
well,
we
can
change
all
those
things
and
then
you
sit
there
and
say,
but
do
we
really
need
to?
I
mean
they're
not
affecting
anything,
because
other
law
has
superseded
those
things
at
this
point.
So
but
then,
if
you
sat
there
and
said
geez,
we
really
need
to
split
off
something
in
terms
of
a
department
or
merge
departments.
C
Those
are
types
of
things
that
you
can
end
up
doing
with
a
charter
amendment
and
that's
when
I'm
under
the
impression
that
this
annual
body
was
intending
to
do
by
establishing
a
committee,
not
to
say
that
what's
been
offered
by
mr
abdellah
is
is,
is
not
relevant.
It's
relevant
because
it
tells
us
kind
of
some
of
the
best
practices
and
things
along
those
lines.
But
it's
not
necessarily
where
I
thought
you
were
going
with
this
process.
A
C
Yes,
based
on
the
and
and
some
of
it
is
remember-
we've
got
some
time
frames
that
are
staring
us
in
the
face.
Essentially,
you
have
to
end
up
having
everything
ready
12
weeks
before
the
election,
and
in
order
to
meet
that
time
frame,
you
also
have
to
take
into
account
that
you
have
to
submit
a
proposed
amendment
or
proposed
amendments
to
the
governor's
office
and
then,
technically
speaking,
it
gets
sent
over
to
the
attorney
general
and
the
attorney
general
reviews.
C
E
C
Believe
is
still
there
based
on
the
communication
that
we
have
and
contact
him
and
give
him
a
heads
up
and
send
them
the
stuff
in
advance,
but
then
recognize
the
way.
This
is
stated
in
the
resolution.
We're
supposed
to
have
three
public
hearings.
C
A
Well,
we're
not
under
the
gun,
obviously
to
finish
it
in
a
particular
time.
This
is
just
something
this
has
been
around
since
1963,
so
it's
not
like.
We
have
a
particular
deadline,
but
just
something
that's
been
important
to
different
council
members
and,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
former
council
members
to
continue
moving
forward
with
this
and
and
I'm
all
for
it,
so
we're
not
on
a
deadline
to
finish
by
june,
but
at
least
I
don't
see
it
that
way.
C
G
And
especially
counselor
abdullah,
so
things
like
you
know
they
they
pass
the
state
law
outlawing
minimum
mannings
in
in
police
and
fire
charters,
or,
I
think,
there's
outlawed
local
regulation
regarding
pit
bulls,
different
regulations.
So
you
just
take
that
out
of
the
charter.
D
Yeah,
so
regarding
staffing
mandates,
luckily,
you
guys
will
have
to
deal
with
that.
Dearborn
was
the
only
unique
city
that
still
had
them
for
public
safety
models,
but
it's
staffing,
many
it's
across
the
board.
It's
not
just
for
public
safety.
It
would
be
any
type
of
staffing
mandate
mandated
by
city
government,
but
essentially
to
mr
miaki's
point.
It
would
be
any
conflict
with
with
state
law.
Would
you
would
want
to
make
sure,
is
removed
or
is
at
least
amended
to
comply
with
the
applicable
state
law?
D
And
so
that's
to
mr
miyake's
point
about
types
of
changes
that
would
occur.
You
know
one
question
I
always
ask
to
any
commissioner
who's
proposing
language
changes
is
what
in
our
current
model
of
government.
Is
it
working
to
be
able
to
address
this
issue
versus
having
to
mandate
it
by
charter,
because
you've
got
to
remember
when
you
talk
about
mandating
by
charter
at
minimum.
D
For
us,
it
would
be
in
effect,
for
the
next
12
years
right
unless,
unless
changed
through
a
different
referendum
process,
which
is
very
unlikely,
and
so
we've
we've
had
a
numerous
amount
of
changes
that
are
grammatical
in
nature
legally
in
nature.
We've
had
sections
change
because
of
the
formatting
of
the
the
charter
just
wasn't
properly
put
together,
and
so
the
the
changes
that
you
will
consider
kind
of
vary.
A
lot
of
them
will
be
related
to
applicable
state
law
per
your
question
and
a
lot
of
them
will
be
about
you
know
you.
D
You
may
have
committee
members
or
review
members
who
think
of
this
of
the
opportunity
to
to
create
a
new
model
of
government.
Should
you
go
that
route?
Most
charter
review
commissions
that
I've
been
observing,
don't
go
as
that
drastic.
But
to
mr
miyake's
point:
it's
a
lot
of
work.
It's
a
lot
of
time.
The
process
just
to
get
it
to
the
governor
and
ag's
office
is
one
within
itself.
If
you're
mandating
by
resolution,
then
you
have
three
public
hearings.
D
I
commend
you
for
that,
but
I
also
want
to
caution
what
that
requires
and
what
may
come
with
that
in
terms
of
feedback,
and
so
I
think,
councilman
constant
asked
about
the
time
frame.
I
would
certainly
allocate
for
a
minimum
of
12
to
18
months
before
you're
ready
to
put
this
on
a
ballot.
Okay,
thank.
A
I
I
I
think
we
should
do
a
thorough
revision
of
the
the
charter,
some
of
the
stuff
that
we're
doing
day
day-to-day
operations,
we're
just
discovering
a
lot
of
gaps.
You
know
back
in
63
this.
The
charter
was
okay
back
in
the
day,
but
now
I've
I've
seen
a
lot
of
gaps,
a
lot
of
issues,
obviously
with
the
charter
and
it's
making
us
not
competitive
and
not
not
to
mention
some
of
them
here.
However,
there's
certain
criteria
for
say
some
for
some
elected
officials.
I
They
should
have
certain.
Instead
of
just
anybody
going
for
certain
positions,
they
have
to
have
an
experience
in
a
particular
position.
I
Otherwise,
you're
not
going
to
be
competitive
or
the
city's
not
going
to
be
competitive
and,
and
that
and
that
part
of
it
again,
I
don't
I'm
not
mentioning
any
anything
in
particular,
but
some
of
the
stuff
I've
noticed.
I
think
every
every
section
in
the
charter
has
a
gap,
and
it
just
leaves
us
there's
a
lot
of
liabilities
and
again
it's
making
us
not
competitive
with
with
staffing
and
everything
else.
I
So
I
think
the
best
thing
to
do
for
the
city
at
this
point
is
to
have
a
full-blown
review
of
the
whole
charter,
and,
if
we're
going
to
do
it,
we
better
do
it
right
this
time
you
know
we
have
a
chance
to
do
it
right
and
I
think
that's
the
best
thing
to
do
is
to
go
full-blown
with
with
the
revision
or
modification
of
whatever
we
need
to
do
to
the
charter.
And
again
you
know.
I
I
Obviously
we
have
to
go
through
the
process
right
by
bringing
a
consultant
and
just
let
us
know
they
can
go
through
this
and
instead
of
obviously
there's
cities
have
the
best.
You
know
I've
seen
some
charters
by
other
cities.
There's
amazing
charters
that
have
I've
seen
in
the
last
few
months
and
the
the
consultant
can
actually
tell
us
the
best
practices.
I
A
He
the
gentleman
from
the
county
mentioned
that
he's
going
to
email
to
me
a
list
of
potential
consulting
firms
that
can
help
us
with
that
and
according
to
him,
this
will
take
our
process
and
almost
I
know
it's
just
a
quote,
but
slice
it
in
half
as
far
as
the
time
frame
that.
I
A
Okay,
kerry:
if
you
don't
mind
the
councilman
head.
C
Question
go
ahead.
Well,
I
was
just
going
to
mention
remember
when
we're
using
the
term
amendment
versus
revision,
very
important
legal
distinction,
if
you're
going
to
do
a
revision
like,
for
example,
go
from
a
strong
mayor
form
of
government
like
we
have
to
a
council
manager
form
of
government
that
would
have
to
be
done
by
virtue
of
a
revision
which
requires
that
you
end
up
having
a
charter
review
commission
and
you
have
to
have
an
elected
body
that
ends
up
doing
that,
like
they've
done
in
dearborn.
C
If
you're
going
to
do
amendments,
then
you
can
end
up
having
that
kind
of
elected
body
or
you
could
end
up
having
them
being
proposed
and
going
through
a
review
process.
So
part
of
it
depends
on
how
much
you
feel
it
needs
to
end
up
being
being
done
in
terms
of
the
review
versus
amendments
and
again
remember
when
it
comes
to
the
review
or
for
a
revision,
you
have
to
end
up
using
an
elected
body
to
end
up
doing
that.
A
C
Absolutely
all
changes
to
the
charter
have
to
end
up.
You
know,
for
example,
I've
mentioned
a
few
times
the
idea
of
having
a
charter
amendment
that
would
make
sure
that
we
don't
end
up
selling
the
warren
valley.
Golf
course
all
right.
That
would
be
a
kind
of
a
built-in
protection
that
would
require
voter
approval
to
change.
Any
of
of
that.
That
could
be
something
that
we
would
do
without
a
revision
in
in.
C
In
my
view,
that
could
be
done
by
an
amendment
to
the
city
charter,
but
if
you're
going
to
end
up
doing
anything
that
changes
the
powers
between
the
mayor
and
the
council,
for
example,
you
always
have
to
take
into
account
once
you
get
into
those
issues,
you
potentially
end
up
needing
a
charter
review.
Commission
that
actually
does
can
has
is
empowered
to
do
revisions.
You
do
anything,
that's
really
really
significant.
You
potentially
need
to
go
that
route
with
it.
H
I
guess
this
was
going
to
be
for
either
attorneys
here
like
right.
Now
I
guess
the
big
thing
is.
We
see
the
confirmation
hearings
for
the
supreme
court
and
they
go
before
the
legislative
body
of
the
of
the
country.
Now
do
you
know
right
now,
all
our
commissions
are
are
are
done
by
the
mayor
with
council
concurrence
on
some
of
them
right.
C
The
charter,
that
would
be
something
I
would
feel
the
need
to
research,
because,
to
be
frank,
you
are
talking
about
changing
the
relative
power
structure
between
the
council
and
mayor
my
tendency.
If
you
sat
there
and
said
you
got
to
give
me
an
answer
right
now
would
be
to
say
that
you
could
do
it
with
an
amendment,
but
because
it
has
to
do
with
that
that
tension
between
different
branches
in
the
government
and
the
real
workings
of
government
at
that
level.
That
may
be
something
that
requires
a
revision,
and
I
would
want
to.
H
You
so
that
would
be
the
same
thing
say,
for
instance,
I'm
just
going
to
pick
the
treasurer.
For
instance,
say
we
want
an
appointed
treasurer
instead
of
an
elected
treasurer.
C
I
tend
to
think
that
that
could
end
up
actually
being
done
by
an
amendment
because
you're
not
talking
about
the
relative
powers
between
the
executive
and
the
legislative
branch.
Okay,
I
mean
I
would
look
into
that.
Obviously
before
it
be
done,
but
my
sense
is,
you
could
probably
do
that
by
virtue
of
an
amendment
like
I
know,
dearborn
did
that
many
years
ago
I
remember
meeting
when
I
was
like
a
student
with
treasurer
hubbard.
If
I
recall
correctly.
C
C
My
sense
is
is
that
that
could
probably
be
done
by
an
amendment,
but
I
think
I
would
want
to
end
up
checking
that
before
I
would
say
definitively.
That's
not
that's
not
something
that
requires
anything.
H
C
All
that
stuff
it
is
desirable
to
clean
up,
but
legally
does
it
end
up
making
a
difference
in
terms
of
how
you
function,
no
because
state
law,
for
example,
is
going
to
supersede
something,
that's
conflicting
and
we
just
don't
do
it
anyways
right
right
so
and
then
not
only
that
there
is
a
gender
neutral
provision
within
the
city
charter.
That
basically
says
wherever
you
use
a
certain
pronoun.
It
doesn't
really
matter
in
terms
of
things,
so
you
know
that
kind
of
covers
it.
C
C
Are
you
going
to
go
through
the
whole
process
in
order
to
basically
do
that
and
the
extent
that's
involved
you
might,
but
you
know
you
might
also
sit
there
and
say
well:
we've
got
to
have
the
attention,
as
mr
abdellah
ended
up
saying,
of
the
public
in
order
to
go
through
with
the
charter
amendments,
and
if
you
propose
too
much,
then
you're
potentially
going
to
lose
their
attention
or
you
know.
For
example,
we
had
a
really
uncontroversial
thing.
G
C
The
voters
once
and
then
we
had
to
wait
a
certain
amount
of
time
before
we
could
bring
it
up
again
and
I
was
like
oh
yeah,
and
I
think
it
was
because
the
detroit
news
ran
an
editorial
and
they
didn't
understand
why
we
were
doing
it
and
it
was
like
it's
just
because
it
doesn't
operate
that
way.
The
libraries
have
all
been
operating
independently
for
years.
H
Way,
I
feel
more
comfortable
having
an
elected
body.
Do
this
than
three
council
people
for
some
reason,
you're.
H
H
And
that's
fine
and
then
they,
then
they
won't
okay,
but
I,
I
think,
there's
enough
qualified
people
in
the
city
that
would
want
to
run
for
that
job
and
have
it.
I
think,
the
the
business
that
this
council
has
to
do
all
year.
Long
is
enough
for
us
to
handle
yeah.
C
If,
if
I
may-
and
I
present
this,
not
because
I
I
think
that
that's
an
incorrect
way
of
looking
at
things-
it's
occurred
and
I've
heard
stories
about
this
occurring
where
what
ends
up
happening
is
the
commission
ends
up?
A
revision.
Commission
ends
up
being
hijacked
by
people
who
have
particular
interests.
E
C
C
G
G
So
he
got
elected
mayor
which
paid
like
12
000
a
year
was
part
time
and
he
pushed
through
some
say
with
city
money,
a
strong
mayor,
former
government,
and
then
his
salary
was
tied
to
the
what
the
city
of
dearborn
mayor
made.
So
he
started
out
went
from
like
12
000
to
over
100
000
a
year,
then
he
was
voted
out
of
the
office
the
next
term.
So
that
can
happen
that
the
process
gets
hijacked
and
rammed
through.
A
Okay,
what
I
don't
want,
I
don't
want
to
go
into
the
specifics
of
the
charter
at
this
particular
point.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that,
based
on
the
resolution
as
a
council
body,
this
is
the
direction
and
the
administration's
direction
want
to
keep
moving
forward,
but
I
don't
want
to.
I
don't
want
to
go
over
the
specifics
of
the
charter
right
because,
as
you
know,
it's
about
80
000
pages-
and
this
is
not
the
time
to
to
do
that
right
now.
Okay,
councilman,
so
go
ahead.
Thank.
K
You
culture.
Thank
you,
mr
abdellah,
for
your
presentation.
I
think
I
know
you
have
somewhere
to
add
gary
miyaki
still
a
little
bit
my
thunder
about
the
amendment
for
the
golf
course.
I
think
that's
something
we
should
jump
on
immediately,
I
mean,
but
have
it
have
it
ready
for
this?
This
falls
voting
about
the
no
development
of
the
golf
course
can't
be
sold.
That's
something
that
we
have
to
do.
The
first
thing
we
do
and-
and
you
know
I
can't
in
my
right
conscience-
go
forward
with
this.
K
Right
now
we're
we're
looking
at
a
five
million
dollar
deficit
in
our
budget
and
there's
talk
about
hiring
a
consultant
and
paying
mr
miyaki
as
fees,
and
we
don't
even
have
enough
money
to
pay
our
our
our
employees.
So
I
moved
that
we
tabled
this
to
next
year
after
the
next
year's
budget.
I
know
things
are
important.
Really
important
things
can
be
done
through
an
amendment
at
very
little
cost
and
they
can.
They
can
be
done
quickly.
They
redo
this
whole
charter.
Like
we
said
18
months,
let's
put
this
on
hold.
K
K
A
Right
now,
okay,
but
just
our
city's
not
broke.
I
I
don't
want
that
to
start
getting
out
there
we're
broke
we're,
not
broke.
It's
just
a
part
of
running
a
city,
there's
a
certain
budget
and
sometimes
you're
a
little
short.
Sometimes
you
have
a
little
over,
but
we're
definitely
not
broke.
So
we
want
the
state
coming
down
on
us.
With
emergency
managers
not
broke
we're
okay,
we're
comfortable.
We
have.
K
Well,
we
have
no
money,
then
okay,
let's
put
it
that
way,
but
I'm
saying
I
can,
with
the
right
conscience,
approved
going
any
further
with
this
right
now
it's
in
in
spending
any
money
whatsoever,
I
mean
we
could
talk
about
it,
make
plans
that
that's
the
best
thing
to
do,
plan
ahead
and
get
it
ready
for
the
2023
elections.
Okay,.
I
E
I
Okay,
council,
chair
god,
you
know
again,
I
think,
to
be
effective.
We
should
we
should
bring.
A
consultant,
doesn't
mean
you're
going
to
pay
that
person.
I
What
that
you
know
our.
You
know
the
gentleman
from
the
county
that
says
you
know,
because
obviously
they
know
there's
a
gap
that
you
know
with
the
help
of
a
consultant,
and
you
know
we
don't
know
what
we
don't
know
we
do
have
to
put
it
out
there
see
what
would
it
be
to
get
a
consultant
with
the
help
of
our
friends
from
the
county
to
go
through
this
process?
Okay,.
A
D
Just
one
last
resource
for
you
guys
to
consider
that
we've
taken
advantage
of
councilman,
al-sawafi
and
dearborn
as
the
wayne
county
business
development
manager
led
us
to
there's
a
lot
of
grant
money,
that's
available
at
a
federal
and
state
level
for
this
type
of
work.
I
also
would
look
at
the
national
civic
leagues
model
charter
and
some
of
their
grant
opportunities
as
well
the
model
charter
that
they
draft
every
they
try
to
do
it
every
year.
D
It's
in
its
ninth
edition
right
now
serves
as
a
great
north
star
for
a
lot
of
you
know
chartered
just
structure,
it's
not
about.
They
don't
give
language
recommendations,
but
just
considerations
and
resources
to
look
at
we've
taken
advantage
of
those
grant
opportunities
which
are
helping
us
bring
in
specialists
to
conduct
certain
study
sessions.
D
We've
also
had
to
have
you
know
just
some
admin
support
staff
to
help
us
with
some
of
the
administrative
clerical
work
around
it.
You
know
local
government
is
always
stratfor
resources.
We
we
very
much
understood
that
coming
in
almost
every
commission
member,
actually,
every
commission
member
on
our
commission
right
now
has
committed
to
you
know
putting
their
their
salary.
The
the
the
70
meeting
that
we
get
or
so
back
into
our
budget.
D
For
that
reason,
so
you
know,
local
government
is
as
effective
as
it
is
creative,
and
so,
when
you're
thinking
about
this
process,
I
wouldn't
think
of
it
in
a
box
or
in
a
vacuum.
It's
an
opportunity.
I
don't
think
citing
a
charter,
revision
or
amendment
or
a
review
commission
either
of
those
needs
to
be
as
drastic
as
thinking
that
you're
going
to
change
the
the
formality
or
structure
of
government.
D
It's
not
that
it's
not
always
that
drastic.
There
are
a
lot
of
provisions
in
every
charter
that
require
just
some
general
updating
and
they
are
worth
the
review
time
because
of
the
fact
that
as
time
changes
so
do
laws
and
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
consciously
continue
to
operate
with.
You
know,
non-compliance
with
state
law
or
even
just
modeling
or
citing
the
specific
regulations.
D
So
I
would,
you
know,
recommend
that
you
guys
take
a
look
into
that
I've
put
in
my
contact
information
to
this
pack,
I'm
happy
to
serve
as
a
resource
for
you
guys
as
well
and
appreciate
your
time.
Okay,.
A
L
Okay,
well,
a
lot
of
our
charter
goes
all
the
way
back
to
the
first
page
here
1961
september,
and
then
it
was
up.
Then
the
power
to
amend
was
1963
and
then
pertaining
to
what
tom
just
said.
It
says.
Any
increase
given
to
any
elected
official
by
reason
of
a
council
resolution
shall
be
passed
in
an
even
numbered
year
to
take
effect
only
in
an
odd
number
year.
I
don't
know
if
that
applies
to
what
we're
trying
to
do
as
far
as
voting
in
that
time
frame.
G
C
The
local
officers
compensation
act
basically
allowed
the
city
by
ordinance
to
to
adopt
it
and
then
that
supersedes
the
provisions
in
the
city
charter.
L
F
So
this
is
for
a
corp
council.
So
the
big
question
here:
how
far
can
we
go
an
amendment
like?
Is
there?
Is
there
like
a
manual
we
can
review
like
how
far
in
the
changes
we
can
do
just
an
amendment
I
mean
like
councilman
muscat
said
it
might
doesn't
make
sense,
maybe
to
have
an
amendment.
Maybe
we
need
a
full
review,
so
I
know
he
asked
you
a
couple
of
questions
and
he
said
you
have
to
check.
C
No
like,
for
example,
I
I
had
mentioned
the
idea
of
the
warren
valley,
golf
course
thing
that
would
be
something
you
could
do
without
any
difficulty.
I
mean
it
would
take
effort,
but
it
could
end
up
being
done.
It's
not
going
to
end
up
affecting
the
nature
structure
of
government.
The
real
issue
becomes
when
you
start
doing
things
that
affect
the
mayor's
power
vis-a-vis,
the
city
council's
power.
C
B
C
Edges
what
the
mayor,
the
mayor's
authority
would
be
in
certain
aspects
with
regard
to
like,
for
example,
appointments
again,
my
tendency
would
be
to
say
I
think
those
could
be
done
by
virtue
of
an
amendment,
but
then
you
also
have
to
always
make
sure
that
you
recognize
that
there
are
two
issues,
even
if
I
think
it's
right
and
I'm
right
about
that.
You
still
have
to
get
through
the
the
governor's
review
and
the
governor's
review
is
based
on
the
assistant
attorney
general,
who
actually
is
is
over
there.
C
So
my
sense
is
is
if
you
had
specific
priorities,
and
that
would
be
the
value
of
potentially
having
a
committee.
The
committee
would
basically
sit
there
and
say
you
know
I
talked
to
so,
and
so
I
talked
to
so,
and
so
there
are
a
few
things
that
I
think
we
really
need
to
change
right
away.
Maybe
we
can
end
up
doing
those?
Maybe
you
don't
do
the
full
process.
That's
inside
the
resolution
here,
or
maybe
you
sit
here
and
say:
look
we're
not
going
to
do
this
at
all.
C
C
If
you
do
that,
though,
you
should
pass
a
motion
saying
that
you're
going
to
rescind
the
resolution
or
put
it
on
hold
in
in
terms
of
just
so
that
there's
some
clarity
in
terms
of
what
people
are
planning
to
do
just
to
be
back
on
it
quite
constantly.
H
Just
to
piggyback
on
on
council
on
the
councilman's
question,
if
let's
say
we
want
an
amendment
to
the
to
the
charter
warrant
valley,
for
instance,
do
we
direct
you
to
write
that
amendment.
C
C
People
can
have
input
from
the
public
and
then,
if
it's
good,
then
I
prepare
specific
ballot
language
that
has
to
be
usually
I
do
that
and
the
amendment
at
this.
The
proposed
amendment
at
the
same
time,
because
it
has
to
be
100
or
100
words
or
less,
and
you
know
you
have
to
make
sure
that
it
that's.
I
E
C
Understand
you
know
george's
perspective
in
terms
of
some
of
this
stuff,
and
generally
I
haven't
had
a
problem.
The
only
the
only
time
I
did
was
the
adoption
by
reference,
because
they
always
want
us
to
adopt
things
by
reference
at
the
state
level,
but
the
home
rule
cities
act
only
allows
us
to
adopt
certain
things
by
rough.
So.
H
A
A
A
I
Okay,
I'm
sorry
we're
also
working
on
I
mean
mr
miyake
is
not
just
waiting
for
work
to
come.
His
way
he's
got
a
full
docket
right
now
from
the.
K
Yeah
a
couple
questions
now
say:
we
want
to
make
an
amendment
to
the
charter
as
far
as
when,
when
I
or
when
a
council
member
resigns,
and
they
did
a
replacement.
There
was
talk
before
about
having
the
person
who
had
the
next
highest
number
of
votes
would
be
rachel.
The
point
there
would
be
appointed
to
take
my
place
that.
K
An
amendment
that
could
be
done
by
an
amendment.
Okay
now
I
did
have
one
other
question.
Okay,
if
I
think
of
it
I'll
bring
it
back
up.
A
M
Rachel
appoint
merrick
street
dearborn
heights
michigan,
so
I
agree
I
I
know
he
left
the
room
for
a
moment,
but
I
agree
completely
with
councilman
musket
that
I
think
that
it
is
beyond
time
for
a
full
revision
of
the
charter
and
a
full
charter.
Commission.
M
I
would
love
to
see
you
guys
approve
that
at
a
soon
to
be
had
council
meeting,
perhaps-
and
I
did
have
a
question
because
I
know
that
it
would
be-
it
says
that
it
would
go
into
the
next
general
or
municipal
election
if
you
guys
approved
it.
So
I
guess
then
my
question
would
be:
would
it
go
to
the
august
primary
or
would
it
go
to
november?
C
Right
so
essentially,
you
would
end
up
having
to
have
a
vote
to
you
know,
basically
for
the
general
election.
M
C
M
M
F
Was
they
did
they
proposed
the
the
proposal
passed
in
the
august
election?
That's
how
everybody.
F
M
M
So
that
was
just
kind
of
my
thinking,
but
I
agree
with
councilman
muscat.
I
think
it's
time
for
our
charter
to
be
totally
reviewed.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
J
There
is
so
much
in
the
charter
needs
to
be
clarified
if
you
want
to
go
and
review
it,
it's
going
to
take
long
time.
Let's
take,
for
example,
the
time
the
mayor
passed
in
the
fiasco.
We
had
who's
going
to
be
in
charge
and
what
authority
that
person
will
have.
It
was
a
joke
to
let
somebody
sit
for
30
days
without
any
authorities
just
to
sit
there,
that
he
or
she
the
mayor.
That
is
a
priority
to
know.
If
anything
happen.
J
A
Thank
you.
Anybody
else
in
the
audience
come
on
up
and
for
those
for
the
general
public.
The
only
reason
we
do
these
with
the
60
seconds
30
seconds
and
15
seconds
and
then
eventually
stop
so
that
I,
as
a
council
chair,
don't
have
to
do
it
in
a
rude
way
where
I
have
to
just
shut
somebody
down.
So
I'd
like
to
do
it
as
courteous
as
possible.
So
I
don't
get
in
trouble
with
my
mom.
E
I'll
just
slap
you
ben
strapkowski
columbia
street
this
chart
does.
B
E
E
So
let's
start
picking
those
people
and
get
this
ball
rolling,
and
it's
going
to
take
us
a
couple
of
years
to
get
it
done
and
let's
not
rush
it
like
other
projects,
have
been
rushed
in
the
past.
E
E
A
H
C
A
C
I
E
Yeah,
that
was
it
I
just
you
know.
I
just
don't
want
to
see
see
it
rushed
like
past
console
decisions
where
you
know.
We've
only
got
two
weeks
to
get
this
done.
We
have
to
do
it
now.
A
As
the
clerk
will
tell
you,
then
let's
kill
it
on
the
spot,
but
I
don't
like
study
sessions
to
just
keep
lingering
and
lingering
and
lingering.
You
know
I
think
there
was
10
12
of
them.
They
were
just
lingering
at
the
clerk's
office
and
that's
a
big
note
on
my
book:
either
we're
going
to
continue
to
move
forward
or
we're
going
to
take
it
off
completely
at
this
point-
and
I
never.
This
is
not
a
dictatorship.
E
Yeah,
this
is
what
I'm
saying:
let's
go
back
forward
because
it's
going
to
take
us
a
while
to
get
the
members
and
the
boards
correct
set
correct,
so
I
I
don't
think
setting
this
off
until
next
year
is
going
to
do
anything.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
B
C
Basically,
what
ended
up
happening
is
we
recognized
that
there
was
a
lot
of
cost
that
was
associated
with
publication
and
the
former
city
clerk
prashevitz
basically
raised
the
issue
mayor
pletco
raised
the
issue
everyone
was
like.
Can
you
know?
Can
we
just
do
this
and
I
said
yeah
we
we
can't
so
they
said,
okay,
prepare
the
language
and
bring
it
back
to
us,
and
I
prepared
the
language
brought
it
back
boom.
C
B
Thank
you
because
I
hear
I
know
it's
a
very
important
topic
for
a
lot
of
people,
but
yet
you
don't
want
to
rush
through
it,
but
yet
I
hear
the
urgency
of
some
items
you
know,
so
I
just
wanted
to
ask
them.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
All
right
anybody
else
in
the
audience
that
has
any
questions
anything
I
see
some
young
ones
over
there
do
they
have
any
questions
for
us
as
a
council
body.
Well,
thank
you
for
showing
up
appreciate
that
love
it
all
right.
Madame
clerk,
can
you
let
on
anybody
on
zoom?
Please
stan.
K
I
did-
I
I
remember
was
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
talk
about
is,
first
of
all,
I'm
not
against
the
laying
the
groundwork
down
for
this.
For
this
to
happen,
charter
review.
As
long
as
it's
free,
you
know
we
can
have
meetings
and
figure
out
our
process.
How
we're
going
to
do
it.
Have
you
tried
to
charter
the
charter
review
the
big
charter
review,
I
mean
we
could
lay
down
some
ground
work
and
see
how
many
people
residents
we
want.
K
You
know
you
know
north
and
south,
and
we
can
lay
down
all
those
right
that
criteria
out
ourselves
without
having
to
pay
a
consultant
right
now
or
something
like
that.
So,
but
anyway,
the
we're
in
the
process
of
forming
a
non-profit
organization
called
friends
of
the
warren
valley.
Golf
course-
and
there
may
be
an
attorney
on
in
on
that
gary-
could
a
a
another
attorney,
write
an
amendment
and
present
it
to
city
council
for
free.
C
A
Okay,
so
I
could
kind
of
answer
that
so
on
an
amendment
councilman,
I
could
write
one.
You
could.
I
A
K
Know,
but
someone
asked
gary
said
the
process
would
be
for
him
to
write
the
amendment.
I
I
was
wondering
if
that's
that
has
to
be
done.
That
way,
I
just
just
thought
of
character.
K
No,
and
now
I
got
like
four
things
here:
council
chair
we've
been
wanting
corporation
council
to
give
us
a
a
the
change
in
the
planning
commission
rules
about
the
power
of
the
planning.
Commission
we've
been
asking
it
for
a
while.
I
guess
we
we
shouldn't
be
asking
him.
Maybe
you
can
ask
him
for
us
to
get
that.
There
is
there's
a
meeting.
A
Next,
tuesday,
for
what
in
regards
to
that
unpleasant,
okay,
yep,
all
right
and.
C
And
you'll
find
me
yes,
go
ahead,
has
been
communicating
with
the
clerk's
office
and
the
problem
is,
is
we
have
a
stack
of
supplements
that
I
have
to
end
up
going
through
to
end
up
figuring
out
how
it
was
before
2007.?
C
So
you'll
have
something
before
that
meeting,
probably
this
weekend
in
terms
of
what
we're
looking
at
kind
of
a
change
in
the
powers
back
to
the
way
they
work.
Yeah.
K
Councilman,
okay
and
my
next
question
is
for
corporation
council
also.
You
know,
we've
been
talking
about
contract
negotiations
in
the
past
and
we
were
told
we
can't
negotiate
in
public
can.
Can
you
tell
what
is
the
definition
of
negotiating
in
public?
What
what
can't
we
do?
So
you
know
just
so.
We
are
all
safe
and
saying
we're
not
saying
the
wrong
thing
or
something.
What
what
what's
our
guidelines.
C
C
Is
that
you're
not
part
of
the
city's
bargaining
unit
and
then,
if
you
start
talking,
you're
going
to
potentially
end
up
looking
like
you're
leading
these
people
to
believe
a
certain
thing
or
you're
going
to
end
up
revealing
what
might
otherwise
be
a
confidence
with
respect
to
that-
and
this
is
probably
something
that's
better
addressed
in
a
closed
session.
While
talking
about
negotiations
and
getting
some
clearer
advice.
D
C
K
Well,
I
I
can't
negotiate
with
any
either
side,
because
I
don't
know
say
if
I
say
if
I
talk
to
a
union
member,
I
I
can't
negotiate
because
I
don't
know
what
the
city
is
offering.
So
I
there's
no
there's
no
coaches.
I
can
talk
and
say
boy,
you
guys
should
ask
for
this,
maybe
or
you
know,
being
a
regular
person.
I
mean.
I
don't
say
that
I
mean
I
I
did
mention
what
I
would
like
to
see
and
you
know
like
I
say
this.
This
is
something
that's
you
know,
council.
A
K
Okay,
maybe
in
our
our
next
closed
session,
we
have
or
something
we'll
talk
about
that
mark.
Okay,
now
I
was
speaking
of
the
warren
valley,
golf
course
in
the
contract.
I'm
going
to
ask
the
mayor
for
an
update
in
here
in
a
minute,
but
if
we
have
an
idea
of
something
that
we
want,
I
talked
to
the
council
chair
about
this
briefly,
that
we
would
like
in
the
contract.
C
You
could
probably
raise
it
either
with
the
council,
chair
or
the
mayor,
and
that
it
could
be
sent
to
me.
I
won't
do
anything
with
it
until
one
of
them.
Basically,
I'm
saying
it's
fine
and
you
know
we're
all
ears
in
terms
of
things
as
long
as
it's
consistent
with
the
yeah.
A
It's
too
early
in
the
ball
game
for
us
as
council
members
to
say
I
want
this
clause
and
this
clause
and
this
cause
and
this
clause
when
negotiations
between
the
administration
and
the
llc
that's
taking
it
over,
haven't
even
started.
Yet,
I'm
sorry,
not
negotiations,
contract
clauses
have
not
even
started
yet.
That
was
my
opinion.
K
Council
chair,
I
I
kind
of
disagree
because
something
might
be
a
very
important
thing
that
could
be
one
way
or
another.
So
I
think
what
we
should
do
as
council
members
or
even
as
a
public
general
public.
If
you
have
a
concern
that
you'd
like
to
see
addressed
in
the
contract
with
the
the
the
vendor
or
the
person
getting
the
contract
emailed
to
you,
and
so
you
can
have
a.
K
Can
say:
hey
we
send
it
to
you
now
that
being
said
about
the
golf
course
now,
I've
heard
there's
been
a
lot
of
rumors
going
around
about
the
golf
course
and
the
the
person
that
was
chosen
by
city
council
to
the
to
get
the
bid
awarded
been
awarded
to
them.
Can
we
get
them
from
the
mayor?
Can
we
get
an
update
on
how
the
contract
negotiations
are
talking
or
is?
K
A
I'm
going
to
let
the
mayor
go
before
you
do,
mr
mayor,
I
I'm
going
to
put
it
to
want
to
close
this
rumor
off
completely.
I
contacted
the
gentleman
when
you
know
I.
I
spoke
with
someone
that
supposedly
there
was
a
rumor
about
this
and
I
contacted
mr
isa
first.
He
was
completely
thrown
off.
He
had
no
idea
what
I
was
talking
about
as
I
went
into
it
further
and
said.
Well,
you
know,
supposedly
you
know,
there's
some
rumors
and
absolutely
he
put
him
to
bed
a
hundred
zillion
percent.
There's
nothing
whatsoever
about
that.
A
He's
working
with
different
people
are
gonna,
be
running.
The
golf
course
he's
already
working
on
the
cards.
I
mean
he's
rattling
off
all
the
ideas
that
he's
already
got
in
place.
He's
excited
motivated
and
moving
forward
with
us,
a
million
percent
and
he's
looking
to
open
it
as
soon
as
possible,
but
he's
still
getting
a
lot
of
information
and,
of
course,
starting
negotiations
with
our
corporation
counselor
glad
mayor.
I
So
excuse
me,
council,
chair
god,
so
we
had
a
lot
of
questions
that
were
brought
up
by
mr
miyaki
and
also
mr
deep,
a
few
pages
of
questions
that
went
to
mr
asa,
and
he
in
turn
has
to
give
that
to
his
attorney.
So
there's
a
lot
of
questions
to
make
up
the
contract.
They
have
to
answer
a
lot
of
questions
I
mean
I
don't
know
how
long
it's
going
to
take
to
answer
to
answer
all
these
questions,
so
with
a
suggestion
that
you
guys
have
to
put
on
a
contract.
I
I
suggest
that
we
give
those
questions
as
soon
as
possible
because
we
don't
want
to
draft
a
contract.
Then
oh,
you
need
to
add
this.
Oh
we
need
this.
Then
it's
going
to
be
chaos,
because
once
we
do
that
contract
we
have
try
to
get
get
it
done.
All
from
all
all
the
questions
answered
by
mr
miyaki
and
also
mr
deep
who's.
The
engineer
I
want
to
go
back
and
say
well
that
obviously
has
to
go
in
front
of
the
council
for
approval.
I
don't
want
somebody
coming
back.
Well,
you
know
what
I
got
this.
I
A
For
full
disclosure,
do
you
want
because
once
they
come
to
us,
my
concern
is
sometimes
they
go
public.
Is
it
okay,
corporation
council
miyaki
for
those
to
potentially
go
public
because
once
they
come
to
us,
as
you
know,
sometimes
these.
C
B
C
And
you
know,
unfortunately,
you
know
mr
isa
has
been
busy,
I
believe,
with
family
obligations,
and
so
you
know
that's
one
of
the
reasons
I
sent
something
to
you
earlier
today,
council
chair,
because
not
reporting
to
this
matter,
but
another
thing
that
I
know
that
you
and
I
talked
about
yuani,
because
I
want
to
end
up
having
my
plate
as
empty
as
it
possibly
can,
which
it's
not
going
to
be
empty
to
end
up
dealing
with
these
things.
When
I
expect
that
we're
going
to
be
cracking
away
at
it.
C
So
if
you've
got
any
any
suggestions
or
things
that
are
concerned,
remember
if
they're
sent
to
me
even
if
they're
copied
to
you
they
can
be
put
under
as
attorney-client
privilege
and
that
you're
seeking
advice
or
you're
seeking
my
input
with
regard
to
this
or
trying
to
communicate
with
me
in
terms
of
that,
and
then
that
will
be
kept
internal
in.
J
C
A
K
One
more
point:
god,
the
the
the
divine
child
golf
club,
they're
they're
this
year,
their
new
home
golf
courses
that
links
to
taylor
and
they're
in
their
second
week
of
golfing,
already
they've
golf
two
weeks
and
my
neighbor.
His
son
works
at
lakes
at
makes
a
tailor
or
the
other
one.
K
But
I
was
talking
to
him
and
he
said
it
is.
It
is
up
up
to
the
most
importance
to
get
the
greens
cut
immediately.
He
said
if
you
let
them
greens
go
another
three
to
four
weeks.
They're
gonna
have
to
be
all
completely
dug
out,
reseeded
and
everything.
Just
so
I
mean
I'm
sure,
there's
a
plan
in
this
an
event,
because
this
was
this
was
in
the
works
for
quite
a
while.
I.
K
Okay,
well
regard
this
isn't
really
concerning
mr
esa,
it's
concerning
the
city
yeah,
our
our
obligations
to
this
golf
course
right
now.
In
the
meantime,
we
should
have
a
plan
b
where
we
can
we'd
be
maintaining
this
golf
course
in
the
meantime,
instead
of
letting
it
go
because
you
can't-
I
mean
everybody,
everybody
knows
you
cannot
let
these
go.
They
got
to
be.
It's
got
to
be
concerned
addressed
right
away.
These
greens,
I
mean
within
the
next
couple
weeks,
especially
with
warmer
weather.
K
K
I
I
I
I
A
No
counsel,
just
as
soon
as
you
can,
if
you
have
some
questions,
send
it
to
me
asap.
I
will
send
them
to
a
corporation
counselor,
more
than
likely
with
100
plus
questions,
as
I
understand
it
more
likely.
Some
of
these
have
already
been
addressed,
but
if
you
feel
they
need
to
be
addressed
or
something
specific
send
it
to
me,
I'll
be
more
than
happy
to
send
you
the
corporation
counselor
and
our
mayor.
C
And
I
would
recommend
that
I
be
included
on
the
communication.
Absolutely
it
makes
it
clearer,
yeah
I'll,
send
it
to
you
in
the
mirror.
Absolutely
no,
no,
no
I'm
just
saying
in
terms
of
when
he
initially
sends
it,
I'm
not
going
to
bill
for
it
until
you
give
clearance
for
me
to
basically
be
able
to
bill.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
clear
that
it's
intended
to
come
to
me,
so
it's
covered
by
attorney-client
privilege,
correct.
Thank
you.
H
No
well
not
a
question,
it
was
you
know.
According
to
what
was
being
said
here-
and
I
guess
mr
miyaki
can
comment
on
this.
We
sit
in
closed
meetings
on
negotiations
and
sometimes
strategy
is
given
to
us
at
certain
times,
and
so
I
remember,
I
almost
got
into
some
hot
water
sitting
in
on
a
meeting
one
time
mr
miyaki
came
in
and
told
me
that
I
could
be
some
things
could
happen.