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5/29/2018 - Dearborn Heights, MI
The Dearborn Heights City Council Public Session for the Budget Review of the 2018-2019 Fiscal Year.
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G
I'm
Ken
drive
on
the
city's
Parks
and
Recreation
Director
I've
been
director
for
the
city
for
parks,
migration
for
31
years.
What
I'd
like
to
talk
about
is
the
button
in
line
item
that
included
three
department
heads
who
took
early
outs
six
years
ago,
I'd
like
to
clear
up
some
I
think.
Inaccuracies
and
I
also
would
like
to
add
some
additional
information
that
I,
don't
think
has
been
brought
to
the
table
yet
and
then
I'll
just
leave
it
to
the
City
Council
to
digest
it
any
way
you
so
desire.
G
I
first
would
like
to
really
talk
about
how
the
deal
is.
That's
been
referred
to,
I
referred
to
it
as
a
cooperative
partnership
between
department,
heads
and
the
city
to
come
up
with
a
way
to
cut
monies
when
the
city
was
ready
to
go
bankrupt
and
I.
Think
that's.
The
very
critical
part
first
thing
is
that
the
department
heads
did
not
come
up
with
the
idea.
G
This
was
brought
to
us
by
the
city
and
we
were
told
what
was
being
offered
now
in
my
situation,
and
it
might
also
pertain
to
the
others,
but
I
can't
speak
for
them
directly
because
their
situation
might
be
slightly
different,
but
I
would
imagine
very
similar.
The
first
thing
is
it
wasn't
an
easy
decision.
Everybody
sounds
like
it
was
a
great
deal,
the
first
thing
that
was
left
out
of
it
when
they
say
you're,
collecting
a
salary
and
getting
a
retirement
income.
What
a
great
deal!
G
What
has
not
been
mentioned
is
that
there
was
a
$28,000
pay
cut.
That's
not
taking
your
salary,
that's
taking
a
considerable
reduction
in
your
salary.
I
was
making
eighty-three
thousand
six
years
ago,
I'm
now
making
55
as
your
Parks
and
Recreation
Director,
giving
you
the
same
service,
same
effort,
I've,
had
a
number
of
people
come
up
to
me
and
say
your
part-time
I
would
hope.
You'd
give
me
a
little
time.
I've
been
you
know,
yeah.
G
Then
I
guess
off
the
talk,
really
quick
and
hope
you
can
stay
with
me
Isis,
because
I
can
see
City
Council,
it
just
seems
like
people
talking
you
like
the
things
they
say
and
no
disrespect.
They
seem
to
get
a
longer
time,
but
then,
when
you
hear
something
that,
maybe
you
don't
want
to
hear
and
might
okay?
Well,
that's
neither
here
nor
there
so
anyways,
here's
the
here's.
The
thing
number
one
I
had
to
give
up
years
of
retirement
towards
my
retirement
to
take
that
deal,
I
didn't
get
a
30-year
retirement.
G
I
had
to
take
five
years
off
from
that.
That's
that's
that
over
a
period,
that's
loss
of
money
on
top
of
the
twenty
eight
thousand
I
also
have
now
drawing
a
lesser
salary
towards
my
Social
Security.
That
is
also
a
lesser
amount
of
money.
Okay
and
department.
Heads
are
the
only
class
of
workers
in
the
city
that
cannot
negotiate
we're
the
only
ones
that
are
held
to
a
different
standard,
it's
strictly
on
performance
because
we
serve
at
the
whim
of
the
mayor.
Thank
you
very
much.
H
Very
upset,
I
think,
what's
being
done
to
our
department.
Heads
is
completely
inequitable
and
completely
unfair.
As
Ken
said
they
were
told,
you're
going
to
get
this
buyout,
you
get
to
take
your
retirement
early
and
you
and
you
get
to
double-dip.
No,
you
don't
double
dip.
That
retirement
is
theirs
that
will
go
with
them.
G
H
H
Now
going
forward
to
replace
any
one
of
these
three
department
heads
you
would
have
to
start
over
find
somebody
new
who
would
want
this
position
for
whatever
the
going
rate
is,
it
could
be
anywhere
from
60,000
to
80,000
to
start
plus
another
30,000
on
top
of
that
for
their
benefit
package,
so
now
you're
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
hire
somebody
new
to
replace
every
one
of
these
department,
heads
with
at
least
30
years,
seniority.
Good
luck!
H
Finding
that
the
fact
you're
willing
to
let
these
three
gentlemen
leave
our
city
with
all
of
this
expertise,
all
their
professionalism.
The
pride
that
they
have
of
serving
our
community
for
30
years
plus
is
I.
Think
shameful.
You
cannot
let
these
men
leave.
You
cannot
determine
their
fate
by
wanting
to
I,
don't
know,
play
political
games,
the.
I
G
So
I
have
no
physical
incentive
to
work
for
this
city,
but
what
you're
telling
me
as
a
city
council
now,
is
that
you'd
be
willing
to
spend
an
extra
thirty
thousand
dollars
of
taxpayer
money
to
see
me
go
and
that
hurts,
because
you
would
have
to
require
someone
between
70
and
80,
and
that's
all
we're
asking
somewhere
in
that
range.
But
you
would
have
to
pay
a
benefit
package.
I
might
better
pair
package
goes
with
me.
G
J
F
Name
is
suzanne
pod,
4011,
Academy,
Street
and
I
have
cut
and
cut
off
many
times.
So
it's
not
just
you
speaking
of
here,
okay,
okay,
I,
believe
that
only
those
who
are
still
working
under
the
ten
percent
pay
cut
of
years
ago
should
be
brought
up
to
the
wages
they
received
when
the
pay
cut
was
first
put
into
effect.
However,
any
other
reason
should
not
be
given
to
anyone
else
and
here's.
F
My
reason
why,
according
to
the
last
audit
by
plant
Moran
section
three
of
the
legislative
and
informational
items
page
eight,
the
city
has
over
one
hundred
and
eleven
million
dollars
of
unfunded
health
care.
What
does
this
mean?
According
to
plant
Moran
post
employment
benefits
for
city
workers
are
basically
unfunded
at
this
point.
This
means
that
if
the
one
hundred
million
dollars
is
not
funded,
future
retired
city
workers
would
not
would
have
to
take
a
deep
decrease
in
health
care
benefits
and
or
their
pensions.
If
swift
action
isn't
taken
to
help
this
fund
out.
F
On
a
personal
note,
my
husband
and
I,
my
husband,
he
had
his
pension
cut
by
75%
this
past
January
I
can't
begin
to
tell
you
what
an
awful
blow
this
is
to
any
required
retirement
plans
we
may
have
had
our
golden
years
have
turned
to
rust.
With
the
talk
of
many
in
Congress
wanting
to
rid
this
country
of
Medicare
and
Social
Security,
it
will
be
standing
room
only
in
the
underpasses
and
alleys,
where
seniors
will
be
forced
to
live.
The
111
million
dollar
negative
felon
should
be
a
top
priority
in
our
city
budget.
F
K
Hi
sue,
Kaminski,
77042,
ambling,
first
off
I,
think
it's
great
that
the
city
workers
have
worked
together
to
keep
the
city
what
it
is
and
going
strong
and
I
understand
that
people
took
pay
cuts.
I
also
understand
that
a
lot
of
the
other
workers
did
not
get
raises
for
years,
and
I
mentioned
this
last
week
and
I'll
mention
it
again.
I
like
to
see
the
city
continue
to
work
going
forward,
so
I
think
in
order
to
be
equitable,
a
balance
of
raises
for
the
union
workers
and
the
department
heads
in
order.
K
So
it
does
not
create
such
animosity.
So
if
it
was
a
little
more
equitable
amongst
everybody,
I
think
that
would
be
much
fairer.
I've
tried
in
my
role,
budgeting
things
and
I
understand
how
hard
it
is
and
I
applaud
you
for
what
you
do,
but
I
think
we
have
to
be
fair
to
all
the
city
workers.
Thank
you.
Thank.
L
L
It
is
very
difficult
to
find
experienced
people
they
should
have,
in
addition
to
that,
if
you
allow
these
people
to
step
away
from
their
responsibilities,
you're
going
to
have
additional
expenses
in
retirement
health
and
catching
up
on
a
vast
number
of
years
of
experience
that
is
already
in
place.
So
it's
it's
not
appropriate
to
allow
these
people
to
walk
away.
L
In
one
particular
instance,
I
was
shocked
at
the
fact
that
mayor's
Administrator
did
not
get
a
raise
at
all.
If
she
did,
she
does
not
deserve
anything
at
all.
She
should
not
be
here
at
this
point
so
in
the
sense
I'm
saying
that
she
should
be
restored
to
the
level
of
race
of
pay,
as
the
other
members
are
getting
as
originally
proposed
in
the
budget.
I
can
only
cite
at
this
point
in
this
room.
Is
it
time
for
him?
L
Did
you
give
me
one
very
exciting
occurrence
that
happened
not
too
long
ago,
while
I
sat
on
the
other
side
of
the
table,
and
that
is
that
Christina
crummers
is
the
only
elected
or
appointed
public
servant
who
successfully
accomplished
a
goal
of
doing
something
with
a
major
problem
in
the
south
end
the
eCourse
Creek
she
single-handedly
fetched
out
numbers
of
dollars
to
for
the
handover
project,
and
there
are
other
situations
that
I
could
point
to,
but
in
respect
for
your
time
limitations
that
would
be
sufficient.
Thank
you
for
these
give
some
consideration
to
the
appropriate.
M
M
The
folks
in
City
Hall
are
scared
and
part
of
the
reason
why
they're
scared
is
because
they
don't
know
what
tomorrow
is
gonna
mean
for
them.
They've
heard
that
their
department
heads
may
be
leaving,
and
whatever
your
opinion
is,
and
whatever
that
your
your
thought
processes
in
terms
of
the
decision
you're
about
to
make.
You
have
to
consider
the
fact
that
there
are
some
people
that
work
here
day
and
we've
been
talking
about
them.
We've
been
talking
about
grandma
Susan
even
talked
about
the
employees
and
making
sure
it's
fair
for
them.
M
Well,
what's
fair,
for
them
also
is
to
understand
that
tomorrow
we
may
have
to
have
a
conversation
with
the
entire
building
Department.
If,
if
Mohammed
Saab
decides
that
he's
going
to
leave,
and
then
we
have
to
talk
realistically
and
we
have
to
talk
appropriately
about
what
that
transition
should
look
like,
please
consider
what
the
transition
should
look
like
do
not
do
something.
That's
going
to
create
such
an
abrupt
of
change.
If
that
change
occurs
so
abruptly,
then,
with
all
due
respect,
what
you're
about
to
do
is
going
to
be
very
irresponsible
at
least
sit
down.
M
Please,
just
one
minute
at
least
sit
down
and
consider
the
idea
that
maybe
what
we
need
to
do
is
sit
down
with
administration
and
talk
about
a
transitional
plan
that
includes
these
department
heads.
However,
that
turns
out
and
whatever
we
decided
that
needs
to
happen.
As
a
result
of
that,
thank
you.
Despite
what
everybody
thinks
we
can't
just
stop
tomorrow,
we
can't.
E
M
N
Suz
aim
for
475
Pardy
I
agree
that
everybody
needs
raises
everybody's
entitled,
but
we're
talking
about.
If
this
person's
going
to
walk
out
tomorrow,
he's
threatening
he's
gonna
walk
out
tomorrow,
where's
the
transition
we've
had
six
years
to
be
half
people
in
there
in
that
office
to
know
what's
going
on
in
case
something
happens
if
one
of
our
people
drops
dead
tomorrow,
who's
going
to
take
his
place,
somebody
should
know-
and
that's
part
of
the
problem
I-
would
think
that
maybe
the
mayor
should
have
been
watching
and
making
sure
that
things
were
being
transitioned
properly.
J
P
Again,
I'm
gonna
reiterate
what
she
just
said:
six
years
is
this
ordinance
has
been
on
the
book
for
six
years
and
why
we
pick
now
to
do
it
and
a
mayor
made
a
statement
last
week
about
how
council
is
actually
well
I'll.
Tell
you
what
this
council
is
young
in
an
inexperienced
and
I.
Believe
that's
why
it
was
brought
on
now,
because
maybe
we
didn't
know
about
this
but
I,
remember
it
as
a
person
sitting
in
the
audience
for
many
years,
and
it's
not
proper.
P
P
Any
one
of
you
want
to
make
more
money,
but
why
pick
now-
and
it's
just
like
she
said-
I-
don't
care
how
much
of
a
lean
machine
you
run
if
you've
got
a
person
that
goes
down
for
any
reason
at
all,
the
city
doesn't
stop
running
President
Kennedy
was
killed,
the
country
didn't
stop
operating
President
Reagan
Reagan
was
shot,
the
country
didn't
stop.
This
is
a
position.
That's
far
greater
than
this
city
could
even
family
to
ask,
and
it
didn't
stop
now.
P
I
appreciate
what
everybody
wants,
but
I
also
getting
calls
from
residents
that
aren't
here
today
that
are
fighting
these
raises.
People
did
not
aren't
here:
okay,
many
people,
okay
and
when
our
city
official
can
tell
someone
that
there
isn't
any
money
to
give
them,
but
more
than
1%
and
then
asked
for
a
38
percent
raise
to
me
is
ridiculous.
P
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
though
those
were
my
sentiments
exactly
because
I
was
newly
elected
in
2012
and
sat
here
at
this
table
and
I
can
remember
councilman
Muscat.
Thank
you
for
bringing
that
back,
because
I
know
you
set
out
in
the
audience,
but
part
of
that
discussion
and
I
can
tell
you.
I
acknowledge
the
savings
I
acknowledge
that
they
stayed
on
diagnostic.
They
have
earned
that
pension
without
a
doubt,
but
also
we
need
to
be
responsible
and
there
should
have
been
a
plan
already
happening
to
transition.
C
You
always
want
to
train
somebody
to
take
someone's
position
and
and
councilman
body
will
tell
you
from
a
military
perspective,
you're
always
training
for
your
next
position,
but
you're
also
training
the
person
to
take
your
place
and
I
think
that's
a
really
impart
important
part
of
the
story
that
needs
to
be
told.
Now.
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
researching
plant
Moran's
financial
statements
from
2017
I
pulled
out.
Some
things,
I
think
that's
another
issue
that
really
needs
to
be
discussed.
I
mean
we
have
we're.
C
Reporting
standards
are
going
to
be
changing
effective,
June,
30th
2018,
where
it's
required
to
report
that
unfunded
liability,
which
totals
110
million
dollars,
that's
significant
and
what
you
shared.
Thank
you
for
sharing,
because
you
shared
the
personal
side
of
the
story
of
how
it
impacts
families
and
it
does
when
you're
talking
about
people's
health
care
in
the
retirement
we've
seen
it
like
with
the
county,
we've
seen
it
with
the
city
of
Detroit
other
communities
where
they
had
to
cut
was
promised
to
their
employees.
C
A
O
Yeah
I'm
sure
I'd,
like
two
comets
one,
is
where
the
number
came
from
the
console
pick.
Mr.
muscular
I
think
you
were
the
ones
that
propulsive
court
administrator
got
a
forty
seven
point.
Five
percent
increase
in
regards
and
I'm.
So
happy
people
are
talking
about
unfunded
liabilities
before
the
end
of
the
year
and
in
fact,
a
couple
years
ago,
a
Asus
counsel
and
the
counsel
that
was
here
then
agreed
and
we
put
a
million
dollars
into
healthcare
for
police
and
fire
because
of
act
345
it
most.
O
A
lot
of
the
funding
will
be
able
to
be
handled
through
the
x3.
Forty
five
millets,
it's
a
dedicated,
millage
fork.
It's
a
general
government
employees
that
I'm
very
concerned
about-
and
we
have
till
the
end
of
the
year,
come
up
with
a
proposal
and
I've
been
working.
The
city
of
your
warrant
in
the
state
legislature,
because
we
have
an
excellent
financing
grade
and
we'll
be
coming
back
with
this
counselor
proposal,
because
it
does
need
to
be
addressed,
but
I
wanted
to
address
it.
In
the
very
first
year
I
was
here.
O
We
got
a
lot
of
opposition
I,
don't
think
any
of
you
were
here
then,
but
we
did
manage
to
put
a
couple
million
and
and
we'll
be
putting
more
money
in
and
find.
You
know
solution
because
I
don't
want
people
to
go
through
what
the
one
speaker
indicated.
Where
a
sudden
you
think
you
have
a
pension,
you
think
you
have
some
benefits
and
then
they
disappear.
I
think
that's
tragic.
Thank.
A
Q
I'm
gonna
speak
on
behalf
of
one
of
the
new
members
of
the
City
Council.
This
is
put
on
our
plate.
It's
a
big
issue
and
it's
something
that
we
didn't
really
have
time
to
to
digest.
You
need
more
than
a
month
or
six
weeks
or
whenever
we
had
it
to
did
something.
That's
this
important
to
everybody
should
have
been
brought
to
our
attention
or
the
prior
council's
attention
month.
Q
You
know
six
months
ago
that
this
was
coming
up
and
the
fact
that
all
other
city
employees
are
getting
raises
at
2%
one
year,
one
percent,
then
another
1%
or
another
1%.
However,
it
works
out
the
people
that
question
here
no
doubt
deserve
a
raise
and
they
work
hard
at
their
job.
It's
evident
in
our
city,
but
it
runs
really
well
and
but
to
get
it
all
in
one
lump
sum
like
that:
I
just
can't
fathom
that
I
mean
when
everyone
else
is
getting
impartial
a
little
bit
at
a
time.
Q
I
would
have
been
in
favor
if
they
would
have
been
a
you
know,
2%
raise
for
everybody
and
then
or
5%
or
whatever,
but
it
was
never
brought
to
us
and
we
just
didn't
have
the
time,
because
we're
right
now
I
think
we're
in
constraint.
Right
now,
too,
we
have
to
pass
this
right
by
state
law,
the
law
or
whatever.
Tonight,
no.
Q
But
it's
got
it's
coming
up
and
we
it's
too
much
it's
too
much.
We
asked
for
paperwork
and
we've
got
paperwork,
and
then
we
got
other
paperwork
that
the
went
against
that
paperwork
and
we
don't
know
what's
which
one
to
believe
believe
me.
We're
we're
we're
really
racking
our
brains
on
this
thing
and
we
want
to
be
fair
to
everyone
and
that's
what
we're
here
for.
Is
it
be
fair,
not
the
only
department,
heads
or
city
employees
or
union
employees,
but
to
all
the
residents
of
Dearborn
Heights
and
that's
what
we're
doing.
Q
D
Bella
well,
with
all
due
respect
to
all
my
fellow
council
people,
I'd
like
to
distribute
some
of
you
guys
and
I,
tell
you
guys
why,
first
of
all
in
terms
of
the
union
workers
I
hate
for
one,
have
no
problem
with
them
getting
their
money
back,
especially
the
10%
pay
Cup.
But
let's
make
it
clear:
we're
not
the
ones
that
negotiate
with
the
union
workers
directly.
We
get
the
final
negotiated
contract
between
the
union
and
administration,
and
we
just
make
a
we
take
a
vote
on
it.
D
We're
not
the
ones
that
are
directly
negotiating
with
them
in
terms
of
the
department
heads
you
have
people
they
have
spent
here.
20
30,
25,
whatever
is
depends
on
a
particular
person
years
with
us.
It
had
been
committed
to
the
city,
had
been
committed
to
the
residents
and
have
done
overall
from
everything
that
I
understand
a
good
job,
dude
what
they
do
and
then,
when
the
economy
was
down,
they
took
a
10%
pay
cut.
D
It
is
only
right
same
thing
for
the
union
workers
on
make
that
clear,
but
it
is
only
right
that
you
at
the
very
minimal
reinstate
that,
because,
when
you
look
at
this-
and
we
looked
at
this
and
I-
don't
mean
council
womanly
sex
Clinton
had
a
little
debate
on
that.
But
when
you
look
at
this
and
you
take
a
look
at
the
same
number
of
residents
with
different
municipalities,
they're
getting
paid
almost
consistently
higher
than
we
are
paying.
D
If
you
want
good
employees,
if
you
want
good
workers,
you
want
good
department
heads,
you
got
to
pay
him.
What
is-
and
this
is
not
my
survey-
this
is
a
salary
survey
done
by
the
conference
of
Western
waned.
It's
not
my
survey
that
says
that
we
are
consistently
below
what's
normal
for
the
market,
so
it
is
only
right
that
you,
at
the
very
minimal,
reinstate
the
pay
cut
that
they
took.
The
ten
percent
pay
cut
that
they
took
so
that
we
keep
people.
D
We
keep
them
doing
a
good
job
and
as
far
as
the
union
workers
absolutely
I'm
in
favor
of
them
getting
reinstated,
they're
a
ten
percent
pay
cut.
I,
don't
want
I'm,
not
the
one,
that's
negotiating
with
them
directly,
that's
not
on
me,
but
the
one
that
I
do
control
is
the
department
heads
I
am
fully
in
favor
of
giving
them
something
favorable
back,
so
that
we
keep
these
types
of
people,
because
when
somebody
commits
to
you
for
20
or
30
years,
you
keep
those
types
of
people.
D
E
R
You
number
one:
when
we
talk
about
the
retirement
liabilities
in
the
new
accounting
standard,
that's
going
to
go
into
effect,
that's
something
about
facing
all
the
cities,
that's
something
that
the
state
is
working
on,
and
the
cost
of
health
care
is
something
that
we
as
a
nation
face,
has
been
under
a
lot
of
discussion.
But
the
point
is
well-taken
that
when
someone
takes
and
in
earlier
retirement,
they're
drawing
on
funds
that
they
earn
they're,
not
getting
their
Social,
Security
and
I,
don't
think
an
all-or-nothing
approach
is
the
way
to
go.
I.
J
S
My
name
is
Christina
Laszlo
I
am
the
only
department
had
the
only
city
employee
that
council
chose
not
to
give
anything
to
when
asked
why,
last
week
it
was
not
personal
on
I
want
council
to
realize
this.
I
do
I
know
we
have
people
in
the
audience
that
like
to
send
foils
and
all
this
information
is
voidable
from
the
clerk's
office.
Even
if
you
don't
want
to
foil
it
through
me,
what
counsel
keeps
saying
that
the
union
only
received
one
or
two
percent
is
false.
Last
year's
budget
shows
what
the
done
ask
me.
S
Workers
were
making
compared
to
this
year's
budget.
It's
on
average
a
seven
to
twelve
percent
increase
right
now.
They
are
now
making
seven
to
twelve
percent,
more
they're,
not
putting
in
extra
hours
you're,
not
picking
up
extra
slack
they're
great
workers,
but
they're
not
being
asked
to
stay
later
or
through
their
lunch
or
come
in
early
without
being
compensated.
That
is
not
a
correct
fact
that
council
keeps
saying
it
needs
to
be
known
and
if
you
want
to,
you
can
FOIA.
S
Secondly,
everybody
gotta
raise
including
elected
officials,
including
elected
officials
this
year,
who
got
14%
for
all
the
elected
officials,
voted
on
a
quarter
ministry
to
raise
that
the
mayor
said
it
was
equal
to
over
40%.
Lastly,
being
the
only
person
keeps
throwing
out
with
that,
38%
I
think
it's
comical
that
there's
three
other
men
that
were
at
my
salary
last
year
at
this
time
that
are
getting
the
same
amount
that
you
all
approved
or
are
about
to
prove
in
the
budget
food
for
thought.
S
J
T
Time,
I'm
just
gonna
speak
real,
quick
right
behind
us
as
city
of
Dearborn
Heights
we've
been
a
city
since
1963
I've
been
here
all
my
life
most,
you
guys
have
tonight
our
future
lights
and
all
of
your
hands.
So
it's
up
to
you,
the
council,
that's
gonna,
give
us
a
direction
to
the
future
in
our
city,
all
I'm
asking
is,
do
the
right
thing
each
and
every
of
you
and
I'm
sure
we'll
go
in
the
right
direction
so
that
that's
it
just
do
the
right
thing.
U
Name
is
Dana
parish
with
a
5614
in
the
park,
just
probably
one
or
two
things:
I
was
I
spoke
last
week
about
a
property
near
me.
This
sort
of
goes
towards
this
whole
situation.
We're
talking
about
tonight.
I
had
a
few
neighbors
I
didn't
know
about
stop
by
and
see
me
this
week,
while
I
was
outside
doing
some
work
and
they
asked
me
about
the
situation
my
spoke
and
they
addressed
this.
U
One
of
the
situation's
they
addressed
me
about
was
their
ability
to
contact
their
mayor,
and
they
asked
me
about
the
situation
that
I
that
I
had
problems
with
and
I
think
that
might
be
one
of
the
items
on
the
agenda
this
evening.
If
it's
not
I'll,
step
away,
but
I
think
one
of
the
people
that's
on
the
agenda
for
of
rain.
Is
that?
Okay,
let
me
go
to
another
item.
Then
another
item
talking
about
the
department
heads
I
was
told
that
that's
that
the
property
down
the
street
was
purchased
by
the
city
last
year.
U
U
U
C
You
14
years
Thank
You,
Councilwoman,
hips,
Clayton
I,
just
have
a
follow-up
question,
because
I
keep
hearing
that
the
only
employee
not
to
get
a
raise
was
miss.
Laszlo,
however,
and
I
have
raised
this
question
before
can
I
have
the
contract
in
front
of
me.
We
do
have
an
employee
I
just
want
to
follow
up
for
clarity,
who's
in
the
building
Department
inspector,
that
was
that
I
was
told
because
of
the
contract
with
the
Michigan
regional
council
of
carpenters
agreement
that
agreement
was
approved
in
2011
expired
in
2015,
so
I
guess.
C
D
But
I
went
out
to
the
councilman
in
regard
to
a
particular
individual
when
I
looked
at
the
numbers,
you've
got
somebody
that's
making
currently
more
than
the
department
had
so
to
ask
for
a
raise
for
him
and
I'm.
Not.
This
is
nothing
in
regard
to
him
good
or
bad
I.
Don't
know
the
person
personally,
but
I'm
saying
you
can't
have
him
have
another
raise
way
over
the
department
had
that
wouldn't
make
any
sense
for
in
business
model,
understood.
D
A
V
V
W
Durov
Kowski
Columbia
Street,
keep
in
mind.
We
have
a
failed
Ice.
Arena
that
was
condemned.
Keep
in
mind
on
mayor
said
that
he
was
going
to
reorganize
the
building
department,
keep
in
mind
that
we
have
people
here
that
are
quite
capable,
with
master's
degrees,
to
take
over
the
jobs
and
there's
always
somebody
in
line
willing
to
take
over
your
job.
Like
my
bosses
said
before
me,
if
you
don't
like
it,
there's
the
door.
A
D
A
A
A
J
D
A
Opposed
the
eyes
have
it.
Next,
we
have
that
seven
point:
two
five
mils
beloved
to
finance
the
voter
approved
at
3:45
fire
and
police
punching
fund
for
fiscal
year,
2018
to
2019
in
the
amount
of
eight
million
five
hundred
sixty
seven
thousand
nine
hundred
and
eighty
three
dollars
support
any
discussion.
Q
A
P
R
J
A
J
That
madam
chair
I
have
a
question.
As
we
stated
earlier,
the
110
or
111
million
I
like
to
see
something
on
here
is
anything
coming
out
of
here.
I
mean
it's
been
talked
about
for
a
while
and
I
know.
It's
mentioned
that
somebody
was
resisting
on
the
council,
but
I
have
not
seen
it
since
I've
been
on
the
council
since
January
or
discussed,
or
anything
like
that.
So
I'd
like
to
see
something
on
here.
J
Also
I
haven't
seen
anything
on.
You
I
need
the
adjustment
like
where
the
adjustment
made
to
the
salaries
I,
don't
know
where
that
money
went
so
there
wasn't
I
know
I
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
changes
in
here
has
been
confusing.
I
think
this
is
the
third
or
fourth
changes
we've
made
to
this
here.
So
I
didn't
go
through
an
item-by-item
to
see
where
the
changes
were
made.
P
O
Corporations
and
I
think
it
was
the
national
truckers.
Group
I,
don't
know
their
pension
plan,
but
that
would
be
a
teamster
registers.
Well
fan
you
had
you
had
two
or
three
major
corporations
that
went
bankrupt
and
that
had
a
significant
effect
and
people
in
Congress
started
to
realize
that
these
benefits
that
were
granted
employees
were
not
guaranteed
so
to
some
extent
Congress
many
years
ago
and
I
don't
recall.
O
The
federal
act
provided
benefits
for
pensions,
but
it
never
provided
benefits
for
health
care,
and
so
some
people
were
able
to
at
least
salvage
some
of
their
pensions.
So
the
question
came
up
and
it
really
came
up.
I
believe
after
the
state
of
Illinois
switch
I
believe
has
a
unfunded
liability
of
pensions
close
to
fifty
six
billion
dollars.
If
you
can
believe
that,
and
that
just
includes
the
state
does
not
include
municipalities
or
other
governmental
units
in
Illinois,
the
unfunded
cost
for
the
health
care
is
also
in
the
billions.
O
So
Congress
want
to
take
some
actions
and
I.
Tell
you
this
because
a
group
that,
as
a
CPA,
the
Financial
Accounting
Standards
Board,
is
part
of
our
group
out
of
Connecticut,
and
it
felt
that
municipalities
and
governmental
units
ought
to
account
for
the
unfunded
liabilities
of
benefits
and
so
disabilities
are
going
from
a
pay-as-you-go
basis
to
heavy
food,
currently
acknowledged
the
total
liability.
Now
that
would
be
if
the
doors
were
closed
and
we
went
out
of
business
at
June.
O
Is
it
responsible,
but
now
to
record
all
the
governmental
liabilities
at
one
time
is
turning
the
pendulum
the
other
way,
because
if
we
attempted
to
and
and
the
it's
like
sue
Kaminsky's
facing
the
same
thing
with
school
board,
I,
don't
know
what
the
liability
is
entrusted
with,
but
it's
probably
greater
than
the
city.
And
what
they've
done
is.
It
will
turn
just
about
every
municipality
into
a
deficit
overall
situation.
So
how
do
we
address
this?
O
But
then
I
should
point
out
that
I
argued
my
point
and
I
got
some
night's
comments
back
and
they
all
said.
We
agree
with
you
mayor.
We
think
that,
logically,
your
position
is
a
very
strong
one,
but
Congress
wants
action
done
and
we
believe
in
in
wall
street.
So
we
don't
see
an
area
of
compromise
if
you
can
come
up
with
one
we'll
entertain
it.
Otherwise
it's
going
to
happen
and
it
happened.
O
O
So
the
state
of
Michigan
is
allowing
communities
that
are
financially
sound
to
address
this
problem
by
bonding
through
Wall
Street
and
then
paying
it
over
30
40
years,
which
is
what
I
think
is
a
more
realistic
picture
of
that
liability,
because
we're
not
going
to
go
out
of
business
on
June,
30th
and
I,
don't
think
any
other
municipality
of
Wayne
County.
The
state
of
Michigan
or
any
other
municipality
necessarily,
although
we
did
see
that
in
Detroit.
O
Consequently,
the
city
of
Dearborn
using
a
couple
individuals
in
effect,
one
of
them
I,
have
talked
with
and
will
be
coming
in
and
make
presentation
I'm
also
dealing
with
plant
moran
to
see
if
in
the
next
few
months,
because
we
have
total
december
31st
to
see
if
that's
a
potential
solution.
If
it
is
not,
then
I
would
recommend
that
we
put
some
money
in
additional
e
every
year
to
keep
to
help
fund
that
and
so,
but
when
I
first
became
mayor,
I
recognize
this.
O
This
has
been
an
issue
going
on
for
a
while
and
I
ran
into
all
kinds
of
difficulties
and
problems
and
trying
to
get
this
thing
created.
If
you
recall,
I
asked
you
to
prepare
I
wanted
to,
in
essence
like
we
do,
for
the
pension,
where
we
make
contributions
and
that
money
would
be
there
for.
The
healthcare
now
for
police
have
fired
at
345,
has
incorporated
and
had
a
payment
for
healthcare
and
future.
So
in
essence,
I.
Don't
think
we
need
to
do
the
same
kind
of
plan.
O
That
would
be,
in
my
estimation,
taking
money
that
we
could
all
use
for
what
we
want
to
spend
on
and
the
stick
of
millions
and
millions
of
dollars
away
in
a
fund
as
of
questions,
and
that
was
one
of
my
arguments
in
my
white
papers.
It's
a
long
explanation
to
your
question,
a
consummate.
We
are
looking
for
potential
solutions
and
we
will
and
I
will
come
back
to
you
I'm,
looking
at
the
Dearborn
model
to
address
it,
and
we
also
and
I'm
gonna,
be
meeting
with
it
might
with
our
police
and
fire
to
see.
O
If
we
want
to
do
something
similar
and
with
the
X
3:45,
they
also
become
forthright
to
you,
but
it's
not
an
easy
nut
to
crack,
but
we're
fortunate
that
we
have
the
bonding
rating
that
we
could
very
well
do
that
and
by
bonding
it
over
40
30
40
years,
and
that
would
allow
us
each
year
to
put
money
into
a
fund
and
then
hopefully,
eventually
we
would
be
fully
accrual
in
the
health
care
front
is
we
are
very
close
in
the
pension
front.
Okay,.
R
Constant
constant
well
just
echo
on
what
the
mayor
said
and
I
know.
The
lieutenant
governor
has
a
task
force
regarding
these
legacy
costs.
This
is
the
first
year
that
our
city
didn't
opt
out
and
had
to
comply
with
the
hardcamp,
which
was
a
mandate
from
Lansing
requiring
the
employees
to
pay
more
towards
their
health
care,
the
auto
companies.
They
are
all
unions,
all
they
created
a
vibha
and
they
they
now.
The
unions
pay
that
retiree
health
care
cost,
but
that
that
liability
is
a
huge
liability
and
it's
it's
out
there.
R
O
I
understand
your
question
now
the
council
has
to
approve
the
balanced
budget
and
I
can
only
present
to
you
a
balanced
budget.
Consequently,
the
difference
in
any
savings
from
my
original
budget
or
additional
amounts
that
are
expense
directly
hits
the
fund
balance
account
fun.
So
we
know
that
we
have
a
fund
balance
of
a
few
million
dollars.
The
state
considers
a
balanced
budget,
even
if
the
revenues
and
the
expenditures
in
any
one
year.
O
In
fact,
I
just
went
to
a
seminar
last
Thursday
with
the
my
CPA,
and
we
had
someone
from
the
State
Treasury
and
the
State
Treasury
says
that
as
long
as
there's
a
sufficient
amount
on
balance
to
cover
the
difference
in
revenues
and
expenditures,
the
state
considers
that
a
balanced
budget
so
I
expect,
and
hopefully
from
next
year,
we'll
have
last
few
years,
we've
been
exceeding.
Revenues
have
been
exceeding
expenditures,
but
we
don't
know
exactly
where
we
are
right
now
and
but
that's
that's
the
account
that
we
use,
and
that
gives
us
surveillance.
Okay,.
J
I
know
we're
talking
about
budget,
but
for
the
union
employees,
the
PPM
contract,
we're
going
on
month
month,
number
six
and
we
still
haven't
had
anything.
We
haven't
heard
anything.
So
what's
what's
the
plan
or
is
it
gonna
come
out
of
this
budget
or
what's
the
less
we
see,
we
saw
a
contract
that
wasn't
really
a
contract.
You
know
just
but.
O
Before
we
disagree
and
the
mediator,
in
fact,
many
of
the
union
members
called
because
before
I
got
from
the
mediation
session
to
the
council
meeting,
many
of
you
were
congratulating
us
on
having
an
agreement.
I,
don't
know
exactly
the
media.
The
city
administration
believes
there
was
an
agreement.
The
mediator
believes
there
was
an
agreement.
The
Union
brought
you
some
correspondence
that
they
want
some
additional
changes.
O
What
we've
done
and
not
really
received
a
thank
you
from
anybody,
but
we
instituted
the
union
contract
because
I
could
have
sat
there
and
said
nobody
gets
any
raises
until
everybody
signs
off
on
the
form
and
we
would
have
had
chaos
and
we've
instituted
the
agreement
and-
and
so
consequently,
now
whether
or
not
there
is
an
agreement
or
not.
From
my
standpoint,
there
is
an
agreement.
The
mediator
who's,
a
neutral
party,
believes
there
is
an
agreement
and
I'm
going
to
tell
you
whether
you
believe
it
or
not.
O
That's
what
the
labor
attorney
told
me
and
I
think
that
would
be
very
chaotic,
so
we've
tried
to
live
up
to
what
we
believe
was
the
agreement
and
that's
why
I
don't
think
we
have
angry
people,
hollering
and
yelling
at
us.
But
I
can't
answer
your
question
because
the
problem
is
on
the
Union
side:
it's
not
on
earth
temperature.
X
There
should
not
be
a
fiscal
impact
based
on
what
you're
voting
on
and
then
having
another
contract
unless
the
Union
changes
its
position
yet
again
on
some
significant
monetary
item
and
that's
still
an
issue,
that's
outstanding
and
I
think
it
goes
beyond
the
scope
of
what
was
this.
This
meeting,
but
I
have
looked
into
those
other
issues,
as
we
discussed
a
few
meetings
ago
and
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
discuss.
Some
of
these
issues
in
a
closed
session
thank.
J
Concern
with
the
position
that
we
were
talking
about
the
FOIA
position,
I
know
we
get
it.
We
have
to
vote
on
the
entire
budget.
I'm,
not
I'm,
still
not
comfortable
with
that
position
that
rather
have
an
added
position
for
a
police
officer
to
run
FOIAs
instead
of
just
a
civil
service
person
because
of
the
sensitivity
with
that
position,
so
yeah.
O
X
T
X
Because
there
might
be
a
problem
with
just
having
a
police
officer,
handle
it
from
a
standpoint
of
being
in
compliance
with
supervisors,
agreement
or
past
practice
with
regard
to
that,
because
the
supervisors
have
been
doing
this
for
years
and
I
might
also
add
that
the
mayor's
administrative
assistant
is
the
overall
FOIA
coordinator
for
the
city.
The
FOIA
coordinator
for
the
police
department,
who's
really
more
an
assistant
role
because
of
the
number
of
requests
is
the
person
who
you
appear
to
be
referring
to
so.
T
P
T
O
T
E
B
Been
sitting
here
thinking
to
myself
should
I
say
something
should
I
not
say
something
and
I
I
believe
I
would
be
remiss
in
my
job.
If
I
didn't
say
anything,
there
seems
to
be
some
discussion
about
approving
the
budget
I.
What
we
did
by
virtue
of
passing
those
10
things
was
passing
the
budget.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
and.
P
O
A
P
Feel
we
have
a
big
problem
here,
who
does
again
much
as
I
asked?
Can
we
do
the
millions
before
we
did
this
and
my
my
feeling
was
that
why
I
mean
this
doesn't
make
any
sense?
We
were
here
to
approve
the
budget
first
and
said
this,
and
then
we
went
to
the
mills
so
I,
don't
know
the
legalities
of
changing
this
man.
C
Yeah
and
woman
with
that
clerk
clerk
is
a
parliamentarian
and
he
is
correct
that
first
line,
you
approve,
we
all
approved
because
they
were
all
yes
has
approved
the
general.
The
budget
is
what
we
just
did.
However,
you
and
I
correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong
parliamentarian,
you
can
go
back
and
do
amendments
no.
V
B
Was
allowed
to
finish
what
I
was
saying,
the
budget
was
approved,
come
just
to
go
back.
The
act
of
this
council
on
meeting
over
the
last
six
weeks
was
to
formulate
that
budget
and
at
36
or
sixty
three
page
document
was
the
budget
that
you
were
presented
with
the
act
of
number
one.
You
passed
that
budget
you
passed
that
document
to
go
through
it
line
by
line
now
is
and
exercising
something
who
have
already
done.
But
what
I
want
to
say
is
the
budget
is
a
fluid
document.
B
It's
always
subject
to
change,
but
to,
in
my
opinion,
to
go
through
it
line
by
line
now.
You've
already
done
that
in
a
blanket
mr.
clerk
and
I
stand
corrected
by
people
who
are
been
here
longer
than
I.
Am
we
have
the
Honorable
attorney?
We
have
the
treasurer
here.
We
have
a
long
term
councilman
and
we
have
people
that
are
here.
We
have
our
honorable
councilman,
who
sat
a
state
legislature.
You
don't
approve
of
line
by
line.
D
Earlier
I
had
mentioned
before
we
started
I
said:
there's
some
motions
that
I'd
like
to
make
on
the
budget
and
I
stated
it
clearly.
So
with
that
being
the
case,
it
was
said
by
the
chairperson.
Now
we're
gonna
go
through
these
first,
it
was
from
the
beginning.
I
said
there
were
some
motions
that
I
want
to
make.
So
can
I
still
make
those
based
on
the
procedures.
B
D
O
X
The
council
can
end
up
making
motions
at
this
time,
it's
incidental
to
the
the
main
point
of
this,
to
end
up
making
motions
to
amend
the
budget
as
submitted
and
approved.
So
you
could
go
item
by
item
or
whatever
number
of
items
that
you
really
feel
the
need
to
and
bring
motion
or
make
a
motion
to
amend
the
item
such-and-such
to
change
this
amount
to
this
amount
and
add
you
know
something
to
it
and
then
add
a
certain
other
mother
mouth
just
as
long
as
the
balances
I
think
you
should
be
perfectly
fine.
Okay,.
F
D
Like
to
make
an
amendment
to
the
2018-2019
budget,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
reinstate
three
salaries,
reinstate
a
10%
pay
cup
that
the
DPW
bill,
Zimmerman
director
took
reinstate
their
salary,
the
10%
reinstate
the
recreation
director
can
grab
those
ten
percent
pay
cut
and
reinstate
the
building
director.
Muhammad
soaps,
10%
pay
cup
I've
had
conversations
with
many
different
people
in
regards
to
this,
and
I
feel
very
very
strongly
about
this.
D
Also,
in
addition,
today,
from
an
amount
of
work,
that's
being
done
and
from
moral
perspective,
I
know
the
one
person
did
not
get
a
raise
in
like
I
mentioned,
they
did
not
ask
for
a
raise
and
they
were
already
at
a
salary
above
the
director.
So
from
that
perspective,
just
again
purely
morale,
wise,
not
sure
if
that's
justified,
but
that's
not
for
me
to
decide
I'd
like
to
also
reinstate
the
ten
percent
pay
cut,
that
the
mayor's
assistant,
Chris
Leela's,
will
talk
and
had
there
as
a
part
of
the
2018-2019
budget.
Before.
D
D
D
This
was
based
on
the
2012-2013
budget,
one
it
was
read
twice
and
not
finalized
as
far
as
an
ordinance,
but
even
without
you
could
specifically
like,
say
the
details
much
better
than
I
could,
but
even
with
that,
even
with
that,
even
with
that,
just
because
there's
an
agreement
made
can't
doesn't
mean
that
you
can't
change
an
agreement
as
long
as
and
there's
two
attorneys
in
here,
all
parties
agreed
to
make
that
change.
If
that's
the
case,
you
have.
X
No,
that
is
incorrect.
There
was
no
ordinance
that
ended
up
stipulating
this.
This
is
frankly,
whoever
felt
no
respect
to
a
certain
member
of
the
audience.
Who
said
it
was
an
ordinance.
What
was
passed
out
was
not
an
ordinance.
It
was
a
motion
than
adopted
inwardness.
It
did
two
things,
get
treated
the
ordinance
as
submitted
to
this
body
as
being
adopted
because
of
his
read
for
a
second
time,
and
it
included
a
stipulation
that
the
Comptroller
was
to
amend
the
2012-2013
budget
and
I'll
read
it
specifically.
X
It
required
the
comptroller,
to
quote,
add
to
the
2012-2013
budget
that
all
combined
earnings
for
department
heads
that
take
early
retirement
not
exceed
fifty
five
thousand
dollars
annually.
So
it's
a
motion
that
ended
up
doing
so,
and
the
motion
did
it
for
a
particular
year
and
that's
what
was
ended
up
happening.
A
motion
can
end
up
being
changed
by
virtue
of
another
motion
and
it
is
not
an
ordinance,
and
that
is
something
which
was
councilman.
X
Abdallah
I
ended
up
sending
this
email
on
May,
the
10th
to
you
and
to
others
and
I
believe
that
the
mayor
indicated
that
he
distributed
it
to
others.
As
well
I
think
it's
very
clear
that
there's
misunderstanding
about
what
the
item
was.
The
item
that
was
emotion,
was
a
motion.
It
has
the
force
of
law
to
the
degree
of
his
motion
to
the
jury.
It
ends
up
addressing
something
that
can
be
addressed.
It
addressed
something
that
could
be
addressed,
but
it
was
not
in
ordinance
and
I.
I
X
The
ordinance
is
not
the
document
that
you're,
referring
to
what
you
are
referring
to
is
a
council
motion
all
right,
the
ordinance
is
a
different
item
entirely
and
that
ordinance
which
was
published
did
not
contain
this
language
because
it
was
not
part
of
the
ordinance.
It
was
part
of
the
motion
that
adopted
the
ordinance
and
it
was
for
purposes
of
the
distinction
between
a
motion
and
an
ordinance,
a
different
beast
entirely.
This.
Q
That
everyone
know
this
is
what
I
spoke
about
this.
This
ordinance,
it
was
from
2012-2013
budget,
and
it
says
that
the
people
that
are
taking
their
retirement
can
collect,
not
a
salary
not
to
exceed
fifty
five
thousand
dollars
now.
The
thing
that's
in
question
is:
was
that
meant
just
for
that
following
year,
or
is
that
from
now
on,
until
it's
changed-
and
we
haven't
had
any
finit
of
answer
on
that,
so
we
we're
not
against
giving
raises,
but
we
are
against
skidding,
arrested
or
behind.
A
X
Was
thinking
definitive
answer,
I
mean
I
would
I
would
be
more
than
willing
to
if
someone
wanted
to
litigate
the
issue,
I'd
be
more
than
willing
to
litigate
the
issue.
I
mean
to
be
frank
if
it
went
the
other
way,
and
it
was
something
that
had
ended
up
being
adopted
and
said
that
the
City
Council
ended
up
having
or
the
city
had
to
pay
a
certain
amount.
I
would
be
saying.
Look,
it's
only
applies
to
the
2012-2013
budget
and
it
is
only
a
motion
and
is
not
an
ordinance
just.
O
Provided
any
increases
to
general
government
tpoem
and
consequently,
I
was
not
going
to
bring
an
increase
in
here.
What
triggered
this
all
was
the
fact
that
we
had
reached
what
we
believe
is
an
agreement
with
the
Union
and,
as
my
assistant
had
indicated,
that
there
were
seven
to
twelve
percent
raises
in
there.
O
So
consequently
we
wanted
to
restore
those
and
that's
why
the
timeline
is
what
it
is
and
and
I
didn't
add
the
money,
but
I
think
either
Peggy
or
Ken
Gryba
were
actually
the
amount
was
lower
because
Vince
McCurry
was
part
of
that
you
could
actually
add
a
few
extra
thousand.
So
these
people
saved
us
over
a
million
at
a
time
that
we
needed
the
savings
and.
X
Council
chair,
if
I
may,
to
end
up
answering
your
question
a
bit
more.
There
were
quite
a
few
people
who
ended
up
not
requesting
additional
compensation,
including
the
attorneys
who
basically
report
to
me
during
the
entire
time.
And
then
we
came
some
time
later,
because
we
were
all
trying
to
make
sacrifices
for
the
city
to
make
sure
that
the
city
got
through
its
tough
financial
I
made.
D
A
turkey
Tosun
Annabelle
I
am
obviously
clearly
in
favor
of
reinstating
some
of
their
salaries,
so
I'm
just
thinking
out
loud
here.
If
you
could
answer
me
on
this
one
Gary
from
a
based
on
my
business,
we
do
negotiations
creatively.
Could
you
give
me
if,
provided
there,
ordinances
in
place,
I
don't
know
I
mean
I
have
to
rely
on
you
as
a
councillor
to
tell
us,
but
provided
it
is
in
place?
Could
it
not
be
done
as
a
bonus?
Just
curiosity,
hypothetically,
let's
pretend
the
dollar
amount
was
$10,000.
You.
X
Can't
not
do
bonuses
with
regard
to
the
public
sector
and
okay.
Thank
you,
except
to
the
extent
that
it
covers
something
that
they're
still
going
to
end
up
doing
work.
So,
for
example,
you
can't
retroactively
lis,
give
employees
under
the
state
constitution
or
the
city
charter.
Like
a
bonus,
you
did
a
great
job,
we're
paying
you
$20,000
that
we
have
no
legal
obligation
to
pay
you,
okay,.
R
Well
is,
and
I've
discussed
this
with
some
of
the
other
college
to
people
before,
as
we
talked
about,
for
example,
Warren
Valley.
The
past
council
can't
bind
future
councils
if
we
all
decide
to
amend
a
B
or
C,
and
the
mayor
doesn't
veto
it.
It's
it's
amended.
Just
like
it.
Parties
to
a
contract
can
modify
a
contract.
As
the
clerk
indicated.
The
the
budget
is
a
fluid
changing
amendable
document.
R
P
P
In
and
that's
you
know
the
key
that
can't
put
that
on
me
now,
because
there's
other
questions
in
his
budget
that
I
I
want
to
discuss
and
I
can't,
and
it
wouldn't
be
fair
to
everybody
else
who
came
out
here,
looking
for
whatever
they
were
looking
for.
If
we
just
go
ahead
and
say:
okay,
the
budget
did
bypass
it
see
you
later
tell.
X
P
X
P
This
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
this
morning.
I
believe
that
we're
all
not
sure
of
what's
going
on
here
and
can't
just
arbitrarily,
without
some
more
and
I
think
another
another
special
study
session
on
this
I'd
like
to
sit
down
and
talk
about
what
we
actually
are
really
doing
so
I
know:
councilman
Adela's
got
a
motion
on
the
table
for
the
salaries,
but
it's
all
due
respect.
I
think
we
should
take
everything
off
and
and
and
come
back
and
talk
about
the
whole
budget
as
a
whole.
B
Let
me
clarify
what
I
brought
up,
because
the
council
was
discussing
about
passing
the
budget.
The
reason
I
brought
this
up
is
because
the
budget
was
passed
and,
as
I
said,
it's
a
fluid
document.
Passing
that
budget
doesn't
preclude
you
from
spending
til
one
o'clock
in
the
morning
altering
it
today
all
I
wanted
to
make.
The
point:
was
the
council
was
saying
now
we're
going
to
approve
the
budget.
B
I
just
wanted
to
make
the
point
that
the
budget
was
approved
and
you're
more
within
your
realm
of
scope
of
authority
to
start
altering
that
budget
right
now,
if
you
so
choose
so
that
was
the
only
point
I
was
trying
to
make
and
and
I
was
not
trying
to
say
that
this
budget
is
set
in
stone.
As
I
said,
it's
fluid
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
distinction
that
you're
not
now
passing
the
budget.
You
already
did
so
on
the.
O
B
B
C
C
D
I'm
sure
I
see
what
the
clerk
is
saying:
we've
already
gone
through
the
whole
budget,
there's
no
sense
in
going
through
everything
line
by
line
by
line,
because
we
were
given
the
new
budget
four
or
five
days
ago
or
Thursday.
So
if
there's
no
changes
other
than
changes,
we
should
all
be
good
with
it.
There's
no
sense,
I
agree
with
them
and
going
through
this
page
by
page
by
page,
since
it's
the
same
one
we
received
on
Thursday.
D
O
A
J
Okay,
I
guess
two
things:
well,
we
approve
the
budget
for
the
46
million,
that's
as
a
whole.
Okay.
The
first
first
comment
is:
we
did
not
approve
this
item
by
item.
Obviously
yet,
and
the
second
thing
I'm
still
not
comfortable
deviating
from
this
right
now
is
we
looked
at
it
for
the
last
few
days
with
us
for
us
to
actually
to
go
and
seek
advice
from
someone
else
as
well,
because
we
already
have
a
we
already
have
as
we
keep
going
back
and
forth
with
emotion,
but
we
have
to
protect
ourselves
as
a
council.
J
C
I'm
sure
Tulsa
woman
question
cuz
you
again
we
have
a
motion
on
the
floor,
so
my
questions
are
related
to
that
motion.
You
had
mentioned
administrative
assistant
in
the
mayor's
office
and
I'm
talking
about
the
position.
That's
a
person
I'm.
Looking
at
the
changes.
This
is
a
document
that
was
sent
to
us
Thursday.
That
position
is
not
listed
now.
We.
O
O
Titles,
don't
get
you
any
extra
money
but
showed
that
a
lot
of
us
have
a
deep
concern
with
what
this
council
did.
So
I
changed
the
title:
to
give
it's
the
kind
of
promise,
because
you
tacitly
delegated
and
represented
as
a
secretarial
position,
and
it
is
not
a
secretarial
position,
so
I
felt
with
the
change
in
the
title,
which
does
not
denote
any
additional
money.
It's
the
same
position
but
gives
her
at
least
a
title
of
significance
to
help.
Somebody
who
had
her
heart
tore
out
of
her
by
this
body.
I
guess
would
point.
C
P
P
P
This
is
the
mayor
and
their
Charter
says
the
mayor,
and
if
you
can't
do
it
because
the
council
chair,
that's
why
that
position
is
so
important,
so
I
have
to
you
know:
I,
don't
want
to
argue
this
point,
because
our
charter
clearly
says
and
I
and
I'm
hoping
that
you
don't
argue
that
point,
because
there's
I
can't
see
there's
an
argument
at
the
hall.
Second,
they
come
in.
There
is
no
second
in
command
if
you're
unable
to
do
it.
P
P
P
O
O
O
P
P
O
D
Well
again,
I
don't
have
that
we
leave
that
up
to
the
treasurer
control
to
have
the
exact
numbers
are
the
exact
numbers,
but
I
am
making
a
motion
that
we
reinstate
the
10
percent
pay
cut,
that
they
took
at
the
time,
whatever
the
salary
that
they
had
at
the
time
for
DPW
director
bill
Zimmerman
Recreation
Director
can
grabble
building
director
Mohammad
saw
and
the
mayor's
administrative
assistant,
Christy
Laszlo
I'd
also
like
to
make
a
statement
just
for
clarity.
I
did
not
get
a
call
from
the
mayor
on
this.
D
I
did
not
get
a
call
from
anybody
on
this.
This
is
something
that
I
personally
believe
in
and
that's
why
I'm
stating
it
I
know
I'm
going
to
take
some
heat.
I
know
some
people
may
not
like
it,
but
it's
something
I
believe
in
and
that's
why
I'm
saying
this
so
I
don't
want
anybody
to
think.
This
is
something
that
somebody
pushed
me
into
because
nobody's
gonna
push
me
into
nothing.
I'll,
say
here
publicly.
Thank
you.
P
P
Doing
this
a
week
ago,
we
were
said
that
this
couldn't
be
done.
They
couldn't
get
this
done
to
us
for
in
just
two
days
now,
all
of
a
sudden
here,
we're
sitting
and
the
stuff
is
readily
available
to
us.
Okay,
I
need
to
have
all
of
those
numbers
gone
through
with
the
Comptroller
with
me
doing
all
the
fringe
benefits
and
everything.
Why.
Q
J
AA
Okay
about
two
meetings
ago,
I
submitted
a
spreadsheet
to
the
council,
including
the
mayor,
and
this
I
dug
I
did
on
my
own.
Just
because
I
am
new
here
and
I.
Don't
know
the
history
and
I
hate
keep
hearing
people,
it's
throwing
back
numbers
old,
they
didn't
get
it,
they
didn't
get
it.
So
I
took
a
sample
from
payroll
from
every
single
Union.
AA
When
there
her
hours
were
cut,
not
exactly
ten,
because
it
seems
like
they
enjoyed
a
pay
increase
along
with
the
hourly
cut.
So
it
was
six
and
a
half
percent.
And
when
you
look
at
that
person,
they
took
six
and
a
half
and
then,
since
this
new
contract
was
read
if
they're
not
ratified,
but
when
they
got
paid
for
it,
that
person
got
a
seven
and
a
7.3
percent
increase
and
they
will
get
another
1%
increase
as
of
July
1st,
so
that
puts
them
above
whole.
P
A
A
A
A
C
A
B
Just
want
to
make
everybody
aware,
there's
notified
by
our
printer
today
that
our
absentee
applications
for
the
upcoming
election
went
to
the
mail
today,
so
I
just
want
to
make
everybody
aware.
Once
again
is
a
dual
application:
you'll
have
both
elections,
the
August
primary,
only
or
November.
Only
please
check
the
appropriate
box
for
what
you
want.
Fill
it
out
completely
sign
it.
We
have
a
spot
to
give
your
phone
number
or
your
email
address.
B
People
are
reluctant
to
do
that
and
I
understand
that
all
I
will
tell
you
is
we
do
not
sell,
give
out
in
any
way
shape
or
form
your
phone
number
or
your
email
address.
What
this
will
help
us
with
is,
if
you
do
not
fill
the
form
out
properly,
we
want
to
contact
you
to
make
sure
that
you
get
the
proper
ballot
or
ballots
that
you're
requesting
oftentimes
people
forget
to
check.
B
Putting
your
phone
number
on
there
or
your
email
address,
allows
us
to
contact
you
immediately
rather
than
sending
you
a
letter
with
another
absentee
application
feel
no
obligation
fill
that
out.
I
promise
you
we
don't
give
it
out,
but
I
just
want
to
make
you
aware,
so
you
should
be
seeing
this
in
your
mailbox
by
the
end
of
the
week.
We
do
not
have
the
ballots.
The
ballots
have
not
been
finalized.
B
A
Y
I
just
want
to
say
something:
I
am
again
not
against
giving
people
fair
raises.
If
the
money
is
available,
that
is
my
standing.
I
worked
for
companies
and
I
know
how
it
feels
when
you
do
job
and
you
don't
get
what
you
deserve
at
the
end
of
the
year.
A
second
thing,
I
want
to
say
when
you
look
at
the
budget
and
there
are
increases
or
numbers
proposed,
I
like
you
to
be
precise,
about
the
number
put
it
in
the
budget.
So
there
is
no
way
it
will
be
changed
later
or
interpreted
in
different
way.
Y
Every
number
which
is
proposed
must
be
down
to
the
dollar
amount,
so
we
know
exactly
how
it
is,
and
I
am
one
of
the
shareholders
in
this
city.
We
all
share
the
properties,
the
liabilities
and
the
revenues
and
everything
in
this
city.
As
we
speak
right
now,
every
child,
every
person,
everybody
in
this
city
is
liable
to
3500
$500
for
the
liability
of
hundred
and
eleven
million
dollars,
which
we
have
I
hope
you
consider
that,
because
we
don't
want,
if
anything
happened
to
the
stock
market,
anything
God
forbid
happen.
You
know
around
the
world.
Y
All
the
sudden
we
find
out
that
we
do
not
have
money
to
pay
the
people
who
our
counting
on
their
pension
and
their
benefit
so
I,
like
you,
please,
to
take
that
into
consideration
and
find
some
plan
where,
with
the
administration,
you
can
tackle
that
issue
in
the
next.
You
know
few
years
down
the
road.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
AB
Actually,
something
did
happen
to
the
budget,
it
did
happen
in
2011
and
that's
why
those
department
heads
that
you
were
discussing
came
up
with
the
solution
of
taking
that
pay
cut,
so
it
did
happen
and
they
have
the
hearts
of
the
city
and
that's
why
they
gave
up
that
raise,
and
all
we're
asking
for
you
to
do
is
to
reinstate
that
money,
and
you
say
you
want
to
be
fair
to
everyone.
Well,
you're,
not
being
fair
to
them
when
you
don't
consider
that
they
took
the
pay
cut.
AB
The
gentleman
earlier
said
that
there
are
others
in
line
for
the
job,
and
it's
true,
there's
always
somebody
who
take
the
job.
But
you
know
what
these
people
have
the
experience
they
have.
A
lot
of
education
they've
gone
to
a
lot
of
different
workshops,
they've
interfaced,
with
different
people
in
different
cities.
AB
They
know
what
it
takes
to
take
our
city
into
the
future
and
I
think
all
this
contention
is
really
too
bad
for
the
city,
we're
supposed
to
be
working
together
and
it
seems
like
you're
working
against
people
and
you're
not
being
fair
to
them,
and
I'm
really
disappointed
with
that.
I
think
you
guys
can
do
better
and
I
hope
we
will.
Thank
you.
F
Suzanne
Todd
4011,
Academy
Street,
all
I've
heard
tonight
is
about
the
cuts
everyone
has
taken,
but
not
one
person
has
mentioned
that
we,
the
taxpayers,
overwrite,
went
overridden
or
whatever
overrode
the
Headlee
amendment
and
increased
our
taxes,
and
that
Headlee
amendment
is
still
in
effect.
So
please
don't
you're,
not
the
only
murders
in
this
city
that
had
to
give
up.
We,
the
taxpayers
at
that
time,
especially
the
senior
citizens,
could
not
really
afford
that
Headlee
amendment
and
the
increased
taxes
that
it
put
on
us.
So
they
are
not
the
only
ones.
F
In
fact,
if
it
wasn't
for
us
overriding,
the
Headlee
amendment,
police
officers
and
fire
officers
would
have
been
let
go.
We
the
people
also
have
taken
cuts
to
our
money.
That
was
ours
to
keep
everybody
working.
I,
don't
see
anybody
talking
about
taking
that
Hedley
a
over
right
away
the
little
bit
we
get
back,
you
could
probably,
but
maybe
buy
a
cup
of
coffee
with
no,
you
have
to
remember.
F
J
I
A
A
A
I
How
it
is
our
elected
officials,
by
the
by
the
residents
of
Dearborn,
Heights
and
I
think
the
people
that
are
watching
on
TV
and
the
people
that
came
down
here
tonight
and
I
hate
to
use
the
word
wasted
their
time
or
you
know
whatever,
but
I
think
they
would
like
to
know.
Ma'am
chair,
councilman,
Adela,
just.
D
For
clarification
in
regards
to
the
motion
that
we
had
mine
was
about
a
year
or
so
ago
in
regards
to
how
we're
gonna
be
running
this,
it
was
on
the
agenda
items
that
the
council
people
had
agreed.
We
would
not
comment
back
but
regards
to
the
public
comments.
Yes,
we
can't
comment
back
and
that's
agreement.
We
held
it
so
at
this
particular
point,
if
somebody
chooses
to
they
could
answer
back
right.
Q
To
time
it
once
already
stated
that
do
the
fact
that
we're
not
sure
and
if
we
can
give
them
raises
legally
or
not,
is
my
main
reason
I'm
not
against
giving
raises,
but
I
am
not
convinced
a
hundred
percent
that
we
can
legally
give
them.
The
raises
I've
been
told
from
different
people.
I've
got
something
from
the
mayor's
office
and
I
showed
it
to
different
legal
people.
Some
people
say
that's
this
way
and
they
say
well.
This
is
this:
is
a
budget
for
2013
only
something?
Q
A
Q
I
C
C
You
know
like
health-wise,
for
example,
you
know
a
good
manager
has
a
plan
and
relies
on
their
team,
which
we
talked
about
a
team
to
work
together
through
anything
that
we
don't
want
ever
anything
never
happened
to
someone,
but
I
would
imagine
that
would
I
wouldn't
know
him
not
to
be
responsible.
I
did
want
to
say
because
I
know,
councilman
Wentzel
answered
your
question
and
I.
C
Also
publicly
I
already
stated
that
you
know
the
amount
of
time
that
goes
into
researching
facts
and
getting
all
your
information
and
I'm
not
gonna,
go
into
the
amount
of
hours
that
I've
done,
but
just
even
over
this
Oh
pep
thing
I
mean
that's
hours
of
hours
of
research,
calling
people
fact-checking
I
have
a
stack
of
papers.
You
see
all
my
papers
here,
I
mean
to
do
your
due
diligence
is
necessary
to
effectively
work
for
your
residents.
C
So
I'm
not
saying
the
conversations
closed,
I'm
saying
we
need
to
sit
here
and
discuss
this
and
get
all
that
information,
and
do
our
due
diligence
obviously
been
working
on
this
for
months.
But
that's
you
know
this
is
a
tip
of
this
has
to
be
revisited.
I
want
it
to
be
fair
as
well.
So
I've
already
stated
that
and
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
it
and.
I
C
S
S
K
D
If
I
may
address
the
clerk
with
this
ordinance,
it's
starting
to
be
really
little
crazy.
Now
you
know
we
do
don't
have
what
we
do.
Don't
have
overdo,
don't
have
one,
it's
clear
is
just
looking
it
up.
I
mean
I'm,
just
maybe
I'm
asking
something
crazy,
but
it's
as
clear
as
just
looking
up.
If
we
do
or
don't
have
an
ordinance
is
there
in
a
way
there
and
I'm
not
in
no
way
shape
or
form
blaming
on
you,
we
know,
but
I'm
saying.
Can
that
be
looked
up?
Do
we
or
don't
we
do
know?
D
C
X
A
X
Stated
that
there's
an
expiration
ended
up
putting
in
the
ordinance
and
there
would
not
be
an
expiration
until
it
ends
up
unless
it
says
by
its
terms,
but
I
doubt
that
it
said,
but
by
its
terms,
it
should
have
ended
up
saying
something
to
the
effect
of
this
is
a
special
early
retirement
that
would
end
up
applying
to
certain
classes
of
employees.
We've
done
a
number
of
these
over
the
years
and
that
it
would
end
up
having
certain
eligibility
and
certain
requirements
in
terms
of
when
it
would
end
up
being
line.
A
B
L
L
L
L
What
I
think
is
meant
by
38%
is
a
restoration
of
what
the
employee
should
have
been
getting
right
along.
They
joined
in
in
helping
the
community
and
took
the
10%
break
like
everybody
else,
and
if
you
calculate
5%,
compounded
annually
on
the
rate
that
the
retirees
had
gotten
or
for
that
matter,
a
fifty
five
thousand
dollar
salary.
U
M
U
M
U
U
U
M
M
U
X
Z
X
A
K
Hi
go
ahead.
Minsky
I
just
want
to
say
a
few
things.
First
off
I'm
disappointed
that
the
budget
was
approved
when
there's
still
so
many
questions,
but
I
applaud
this
body
for
admitting
that
there's
a
lot
of
unknowns
and
that
you're
going
to
take
further
time
to
research
it
and
some
of
those
unknowns
came
up
tonight.
Just
in
the
differences
in
the
way
things
were
spoken,
it
was
said
that
the
union
workers
are
back
to
even
it
was
said
they
got
a
7%
raise.
It
was
said
that
they
took
a
six
point:
five
percent
reduction.
K
Well,
if
you
look
at
all
of
that,
then
they
got
a
1%
race.
You
know,
so
you
have
to
look
at
the
numbers
on
how
they
work
for
them.
How
they
work
for
the
administrators
and
I.
Agree
that
it's
wonderful,
that
people
took
cuts
to
make
things
work
and
that
those
cuts
should
be
reinstated
and
I,
don't
think
we
can
even
talk
about
raises
until
we
get
those
cuts
reinstated
and
then
look
at
what
our
budget
is
and
look
what
kind
of
money
we
have
to
disperse
and
then
make
that
decision.