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From YouTube: Dearborn Heights Study Session: 3/5/19
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Study Session taking place Tuesday, March 5th 2019 regarding the water budget and the CDBG Good Neighbor program.
B
C
Would
you
like
me
to
address
this
I
some
of
the
things
I'm
gonna,
basically
defer
to
the
right
Department?
We
are
only
the
funding
source,
so
we
come
in
the
middle
of
this
particular
project.
What
happens
before
is
the
building
and
the
ordinance
they
send
us
a
letter
and
they
give
us
a
recommendation
to
go
ahead
and
help
them
all
these
houses
and
that's
what
we
have
done.
We
demolish
the
houses
and
I'll
refer
back
to
eject
director
McIntyre
after
the
demolition
whatever
so
these
properties.
We
are
not
concerned
with
that.
C
B
C
E
F
The
building
department
and
when
you
mean
condemned
the
they're
uninhabitable,
is
what
is
what
they
determine
the
building
department.
So
basically,
as
I
explained
it
the
last
council
meeting
I
just
do
the
paperwork
part
of
this.
Of
course,
I
don't
have
the
credentials
to
determine
if
I,
how
should
be
demolished
or
not.
I
leave
that
up
to
the
professionals
in
the
building
department
who.
F
So
I
do
have
I
do
have
inspections
reports,
that's
not
typically,
what's
done
in
properties
that
we
own,
if
we
buy
a
house
for
the
purpose
of
tearing
them
down,
and
that's
the
only
reason
why
we
I've
ever
come
to
you
and
asked
to
purchase
homes.
All
three
of
these.
We
came
in
front
of
Council
and
requested
that
we
purchase
these
through
the
first
right
of
refusal
because
we
wanted
them
torn
down.
F
The
only
time
that
we
would
have
to.
We
typically
would
do
an
inspection
report
as
if
it
was
something
that
was
required
because
we
were
taking
it
into
Circuit,
Court
and
I
know
just
kind
of
looking
at
this
real
quick.
Why
did
the
city
keep
these
homes
vacant
and
neglected?
They
were
privately
owned
for
many
many
years
they
weren't
owned
by
the
city.
Until
recently,
we
can't
always
get
a
circuit
court
judge
to
execute
an
order
of
demolition
if
we
can't
locate
the
owner
and
that's
what
happened.
F
If
many
of
you
are
familiar
with
the
house
that
was
on
Van,
born
down
by
Jackson
Street,
the
White
House,
it
took
us
about
nine
years
to
get
that
property
torn
down.
Part
of
it
was,
is
that
owner
happened
to
be
over
in
Italy
and
then
he
passed
away,
and
then
we
had
to
do
service
to
his
family.
What
Mark
Roberts
who's
the
attorney
that
helps
with
these
demolitions
said
to
me
years
ago,
when
I
first
was
kind
of
handed
these
projects
and
said:
can
you
assist
Mohammad
with
just
the
paperwork
part
of
it?
F
Mark
said
I
can
charge
you
a
lot
of
money
to
take
these
into
Circuit
Court,
but
I'm
gonna
tell
you
right
now.
If
we
don't
have
service
to
someone,
we're
never
gonna
get
an
order
to
do
it.
Your
best
bet
is
to
wait
till
these
houses
are
available
through
first
right
of
refusal,
purchase
them
as
a
city
for
the
purpose
of
tearing
them
down
and
when
I
came
and
presented
that
to
Council.
That
was
in
that
packet.
Originally,
when
I
said,
can
we
purchase
these
homes?
Oh
they
were
for
the
purpose
of
tearing
them
down.
D
These
were
bought
by
the
city
and
a
few
years
ago
and
the
more
documents
that
we
see
the
more
concern
becomes,
especially
when
I
see
something
less
the
last
meeting
again.
I
don't
want
to
mention
names,
but
somebody
that
is
not
qualified
to
condemn
the
homes,
the
three
homes
and
I'm
concerned
about.
Ok,
these
are,
for
somebody
to
say,
ok,
these
houses
to
be
condemned,
but
somebody
from
the
inspection
department,
the
building
department,
I,
haven't
seen
anything.
Maybe
it
was.
F
Never
that's
never
been
a
request.
They've
always
just
gone
based
on
the
fact
that
he's
a
building
official
or
one
of
them
it's
Rick,
Walt
land
of
Mohammad,
so
I
did
ask
larry
domsky
who's,
one
of
the
inspectors,
I
said:
can
you
go
through
these
houses?
One
more
time
with
me
and
I
had
a
feeling
that
you're
gonna
ask
inspection
reports
and
I
had
them
go
through
the
whole
process.
Again,
I
will
tell
you
one
of
the
houses
that
we're
talking
about
today.
F
Hopkins
all
these
houses
have
become
a
threat
to
the
community
as
well
and
I'm.
A
little
surprised,
I
actually
reached
out
to
some
of
the
neighbors
who
have
been
championing
us,
helping
them
to
get
these
torn
down.
Some
of
these
have
been
sitting
like
this
in
these
conditions
since
2000,
or
maybe
even
before,
I'm,
just
looking
at
documentation
that
I
can
see
where
we
were
out
there.
F
Hopkins
I
went
over
there
today
and
had
belfort
come
back
and
reboard
up,
because
people
are
desperately
trying
to
break
into
these
houses
for
what
I
don't
know
to
steal,
maybe
the
siding
or
something
but
Hopkins.
You
can't
even
walk
into
the
house.
The
floors
in
the
living
room
and
kitchen
has
completely
collapsed
and
it's
and
it's
falling
in
the
roof
is
now
compromised.
It's
completely
open
the
Belfort
guy
said:
maybe
they
were
trying
to
install
a
skylight
I,
don't
think
so.
I
think
it
was
just
it's
rotted.
All
three
homes
are
full
of
mold.
F
That
was
determined
today
by
larry
domsky.
Who
is
a
building
official
that
inspected
the
house?
Is
he
his
in
his
professional
opinion,
they're
all
complete,
tear
downs
and
rebuilds,
or
you
know,
or
just
demolish
and
sell
the
property
that
there's
there's
a
formula
that
they
kind
of
use
and
it's
somewhere
around
51
or
52
percent?
If,
if
it's,
if
the
cost
is
going
to
be
more
than
52%
to
correct
a
home
as
to
the
value
of
the
home,
then
they
make
a
determination.
It's
not
worth
it.
F
Just
that
clean
out
in
most
of
these
homes
is
probably
going
to
be
somewhere
between
8
and
10
thousand
dollars
to
get
rid
of
because
gently
there
there's
just
maybe
hoarders
I,
don't
know
who
was
living
in
there.
I
know
the
two
six
one,
one
five
powers
house,
some
of
the
history
and
ordinance
said
these-
are
people
that
collect
things
they're
constantly
bringing
things
back
to
their
property.
So
you
know
I'm
not
familiar
with
that,
but
just
the
cleanouts
alone.
All
of
them
need
new
furnaces.
They
all
need
brand
new
long.
F
D
Also
I
I
mean
I
also
talked
to
the
residents,
probably
the
same
residence
you
talk
to
and
they
voiced
some
other
concerns
as
well
and
again.
That's
why
I'm
asking
what
was
on
with
these
questions?
You
know
they
don't
want
a
vacant
lot,
obviously,
and
they
want
transparency,
because
they've
seen
certain
people
are
not
property.
That
shouldn't
have
been
there
I'm
talking
about
somebody
from
this
city.
So
in
your
experiment,
no,
rather
not
because
you
talk
to
the
residents.
D
B
F
Know
you
know
my
name,
I
I'll
tell
you
why,
with
all
due
respect
and
I
mentioned
this
at
the
last
meeting,
when
this
when
I
first
came
to
this
position,
Crissy
met
with
me
and
Mohamed
Mohamud
was
swamped
with
a
lot
of
projects
that
were
going
on.
They
asked
me
if
I
would
just
organize
this
this
piece,
the
demo
piece
so
I've
been
involved
in
this
part
of
the
demo
piece
from
the
beginning,
I've,
never
I've,
never
determined
a
house
needs
to
be
torn
down.
I've,
never
sat
on
the
demolition
board.
F
To
argue
a
point:
that's
not
my
expertise.
I
really,
don't
know
enough
about
it.
I'm
not
qualified
to
do
that,
but
I'm
qualified
to
submit
paperwork,
to
send
an
email
to
send
a
request
and,
and
and
and
I've
done,
that
one
of
the
people
that
has
been
involved
in
this
from
the
very
beginning
is
Carol
Stuart.
She
just
recently
passed
away.
She
was
the
president
of
the
Southwest
Dearborn
Heights
neighborhood
association,
the
very
first
ride-along
I
did
with
Carol,
because
Carol
asked
me
to
with
her
at
least
once
a
month.
F
F
Please,
if
you
could
make
this
a
priority,
so
I
mean
it's
interesting
that
the
year
that
you
know
within
a
couple
months
of
her
passing
away
here,
we
are
before
you
asking
for
you
to
approve
the
demolition
of
these
properties
in,
like
I
said
some
of
these
have
been
vacant
for
2000,
I
I
would
agree.
Vacant
lots
aren't
always
the
best
thing,
but
the
alternative
are
rotting
houses.
F
They
really
are
truly
rotting
houses
they're
rotting
inside
themselves,
even
the
two
six
one,
six
six
powers,
while
it's
not
as
dirty
on
the
inside
Larry,
pointed
several
things
out
to
me
today,
like
as
soon
as
we
walked
in
he
said,
the
whole
porch
has
to
be
redone
yeah.
The
threshold
has
completely
rotted
and
we
walked
on
the
side
so
that
we
wouldn't
be
compromising
and
falling
in,
and
he
said
right
there
jack,
that's
gonna
cost
about
$7,000.
F
Then
we
step
into
the
kitchen
the
floor
gave
way
immediately
as
soon
as
we
got
it,
they've
been
sitting
by
themselves
alone
for
so
long
with
no
attention
that
they're
just
kind
of
rotting
in
on
themselves,
but
they've
had
no
care,
for
you
know
on
average,
most
of
them,
ten
years
or
more
so
and
I,
just
I
did
want
to
clarify
and
I
think
I.
Hopefully,
I
made
it
clear.
I
did
talk
to
the
real
estate
agent
that
was
trying
or
the
owner
of
the
property.
F
That's
just
west
of
two
six
one
one
five
I
did
explain
the
process
to
him.
I
never
said
to
him.
It's
guaranteed
I
explained
to
him
the
process.
First,
we
have
to
I
was
speaking
to
him
when
it
was
still
privately-owned.
First,
we
have
to
acquire
the
house.
If
we
can,
then
we
have
to
find
a
funding
source
which
I
was
able
to
do,
and
we
have.
We
have
our
own
demo
money.
F
We
do
have
money
set
aside
that
the
mirror
provides
in
the
budget
and
I
we've
used
that,
for
other
properties,
Joe
just
happen
to
say
that
you
know,
instead
of
using
the
money,
that's
you've
gotten
coming
from
the
the
taxpayers.
I've
got
another
alternative
for
you
another
option
for
you.
So
that's
why
I
was
pleased
when
Joe
offered
that
but.
F
Personally,
if
I
lived
on
the
block,
I
would
rather
see
a
lot
that
has
to
have
the
grass
cut
once
a
month
as
opposed
to
what's
occurring
there.
It's
a
safety
issue.
It
really
is
a
safety
issue.
I
mean
I,
had
Hopkins
sealed
up
in
a
way
by
Bell,
for
so
nobody
can
penetrate
it.
In
fact,
when
we
went
there
today,
I
had
to
call
Belfer
to
come
out
and
unseal
it,
because
what
I
continuously
was
getting
calls
from
on
the
weekends
from
the
police
department
saying,
for
whatever
reason
this
is
a
hot
spot.
F
People
are
breaking
in.
We
think
people
are
living
there
squatting
there.
We
think
that
we're
concerned
that
a
child
is
going
to
be
dragged
in
there
and
something
is
going
to
happen
to
them.
So
some
of
these
properties
have
been
sitting
empty
long
enough
that
they're
starting
to
be
something
that
people
are
aware
of
in
the
community
in
terms
of
negative
behavior
around,
but.
A
C
D
C
Jake
covered
the
first
few
fewer
for
items,
I
believe.
The
next
item
is
under
what
hot
CDBG
provision
this
program
was
approved.
That
question
I
could
not
answer.
Khalid
I
didn't
understand
the
question.
I
think
you
might
be
mentioned
in.
What's
the
national
objective
that
we
that
this
falls
under
an
initial
objective
would
be
spotlight.
That's
what
we
would
report.
It's
not
IDs.
It's
ID
is
which
is
integrated.
C
Disbursement
information
system,
it's
a
computer
program
that
we
use
to
report
our
financial
situation
to
hot.
We
do
this
I,
don't
know
what
you
mean
by
the
questions,
so
my
answer
to
that
is
I
think
you're
looking
for
the
national
objective
and
that
would
be
spotlight.
That's
the
right
question.
Okay,.
D
C
H
H
But
not
I
think
just
disclosing.
It's
not
me,
but
I
might
say
it.
So
I
could
give
my
little
my
little
bit
of
expertise
as
far
as
being
a
realtor
in
the
area.
I
looked
at
these
property
went
and
looked
at
actually
like
looked
at
him
looked
at
him
and
even
if
they're
fixed
up
in
livable,
they
would
be
in
a
range
of
60,
70,
80,
maybe
best-case
scenario.
H
You
know
mid
80s
high
eighties
at
the
best-case-scenario,
but
the
amount
of
work
that
all
three
of
these
properties
that
I
looked
at
would
take
and
I'm
not
a
construction
guy,
not
an
expert
in
construction,
not
by
any
stretch
of
the
imagination,
but
there's
no
way
those
houses
are
fixable
or
if
they
are
fixable,
the
cost
can
fix
them.
This
is
way
more
than
the
actual
value
of
the
property
when
it
was
in
good
shape.
Presumably
it
would
be
in
good
shape
today
the
amount
of
money
it
would
take
to
fix.
H
It
was
way
more
than
it
like
the
department
had
Jack
mentioned,
I
mean
there's
a
roof.
This
got
a
hole
in
it
and
then
from
there
the
rains
all
come
down
into
the
ceiling
of
the
kitchen
and
the
net.
All
kinds
of
stuff
is
hanging
down.
The
floor
is
gone.
The
outside
there's
aluminum
roof
now
I'm,
usually
in
our
business.
When
you
look
at
a
property,
it's
a
qualm
quote:
flip
property
with
an
investor
can
purchase
it
or
possibly
homeowner
can
purchase
it
to
move
into
it.
H
Usually
it's
a
case
where
you
know
you
could
put
in
20
30
40,
whatever
it
is
thousand
dollars
and
they
either
move
into
or
flip
it.
You
know
pick
up
and
sell
it.
These
are
way
beyond
those
dollar
amounts
and
they
are
not
in
no
way
shape
or
form.
Fixable
matter
fact,
you
mentioned
the
51
percentile,
it
would
take
more
than
the
zoom
in
the
house
was
in
just
average
condition.
H
Today
it
would
take
definitely
more
than
what
what
to
fix
the
house
and
make
it
its
own,
or
if
it's
a
hypothetically
$80,000
house
you
take
another
hundred
to
make
it
livable,
so
it'd
make
much
more
sense
to
tear
them
down.
Although
I
do
understand
the
councilman's
position,
you
know,
as
far
as
you
know,
we
need
something
obviously
document
today,
it's
a
demonstrable
house,
not
just
just
pure
opinion
I,
do
agree
with
him
on
that,
but
they're
not
they're,
not
saleable
homes,
even
to
an
investor
way
beyond
that
way
way
beyond
the
end
they
enter.
H
I
The
gentleman
was
here,
the
retired
Taylor
police
officer.
He
was
screaming
in
the
audience
that
you
know
he's
been
waiting
for
four
years
for
this
house
to
be
torn
down.
He
was
suggesting
to
somebody
else
in
the
audience
that
they
join
him
in
a
lawsuit
against
the
city.
Now,
possibly
they'll
be
funding
for
that
house.
Correct.
F
F
And
so
I
want
to
do
it
in
a
way
that
I
want
to
be
sure
that
we're
agreeing
that
this
is
for
the
best
interest
to
see
I
was
at
a
council
meeting
years
ago
and
I.
Remember
several
council
people
saying
that
then
can't
we
just
start
buying
these
houses,
tear
them
down
and
off
the
property.
So
we
can
build
new
houses
now
that
what
I
Brenly
Park,
whoever
gets
that
piece
of
property
is
going
to
love
it,
because
that's
a
big
piece
of
property,
because
you
know
it's
not
just
it's.
I
C
G
C
F
And
that
place
was
crazy.
What
happen
is
that
full
edition
end
up
separating
and
it
was
open
for
about
three
or
four
years
it
bombs
from
investor
to
investor,
to
investor
you
know,
chase
we've
had
those
conversations
before
about
what
it
takes
to
try
to
get
a
hold
of
these
folks
that
continuously
are
buying
and
flipping
these
properties
and
not
doing
there
City
Hall,
so
I'm
chasing
three
or
four
people
trying
to
make
someone
accountable
for
this
house.
Finally,
it
shows
up
on
the
county
lesson.
So
I
came
to
the
County
Council
I.
F
F
I
I
So
so,
and
Detroit
has
a
big
glut
of
house:
that's
what
they'll
do
is
they'll
go
in
and
they'll
make
the
owner
any
insurance
money.
They'll
take
it.
It's
I
immediately
demolished
the
house
and
then
they'll
sell
it
for
like
a
hot,
just
a
lot
for
a
hundred
two
hundred
dollars
just
to
try
to
get
a
family
little
bowl
in
there,
because
otherwise,
that
house
will
sit
there
for
years,
see.
C
How
Detroit
does
have
a
CDBG
department
are
very
fortunate
that
I
work
for
the
Dearborn
Heights
CDBG,
where
we
don't
just
give
out
houses
and
properties.
We
demolish
the
houses
because
they
are
in
very
bad
shape.
I
don't
want
to
live
next
to
those
properties.
I'm
sure
you
don't
councilman
I
did
offer
I
met
with
Jack.
Jack
has
a
certain
amount
of
money
in
his
budget.
There's
about
30
houses,
maybe
28
houses
that
need
to
be
demolished.
All
these
houses
myself
and
my
coordinate,
coordinate.
C
I
F
Remember,
85
Benton,
what's
not
there
anymore,
but
when
I
got
here
it
had
already
been
in
the
process
for
12
years.
It
was
still
long.
He
would
always
paint
just
enough
before
his
mother
would
be
just
enough
to
make
sure
the
house
didn't
wanna
for
closure,
and
this
just
kept
happening
and
happy
and
happening.
It
was
bad.
D
F
Mean
how
it's
probably
one
of
the
worst
houses
that
I've
ever
been
inside
out
when
he
walked
into
the
front
door.
There
literally
was
no
more
floor
booby-trapped
as
well,
but
the
thing
that
was
frustrating
for
me
when
I
came
in
and
saw
this
I
thought
we
have
spent
so
much
money,
just
in
attorney
fees
alone.
Having
Mark
Roberts
this.
This
person
actually
take
it
to
tribute
to
the
Indian
tribal
board.
I
mean
he
appealed
every
place.
He
could
possibly
feel
and
every
time
we'd
have
to
send
Mark
Roberts
to
defender.
F
He
said,
we've
been
in
this
house
is
completed
guessed.
It
come
down
as
a
safety
issue.
We
spent
so
much
money
on
that
comment
process,
but
again
it
was
because
it
was
it
was
privately
owned
and
if
he
had
his
due
process,
he
was
a
lot
his
due
process,
finding
property,
even
though
he
would
say
to
me,
or
anybody
in
this
room.
I
know
it
needed
to
come
down.
I
just
was
gonna
fight.
It
till
I
had
to
fight
it.
This
opportunity
that
Mark
suggested
I
think
was
a
good
one.
A
F
B
B
K
First
I
want
to
say:
I
went
by
those
houses
to
thank
your
way
on
God's
green
earth.
You
could
save
any
one
of
those
houses.
Thank
you,
I
mean,
let's
face
it.
A
normal
kitchen
alone,
with
the
upgrade
of
electricity,
is
forty
thousand
dollars,
and
if
the
councilman
air
is
right
about,
maybe
eighty
thousand
dollars
you're
just
talking
one
room,
it
takes
up
half
the
budget
right
there.
K
C
C
K
K
Are
not
savable,
they
really,
you
know,
but
the
other
thing
I
want
to
say
is
I,
don't
know-
and
you
probably
don't
know
the
answer,
because
nobody
here
is
an
attorney
or
how
to
speed
up
the
process
about
there.
Okay,
speeding
up
the
process.
Once
we
once
we
acquire
a
house
speeding
up
the
process
to
get
the
house
fixed,
so
it
doesn't
dilapidate
as
bad
as
these
houses
are.
So
we
can
save
this
structure,
get
a
company
or
an
investor
to
buy
the
house
redo
the
house
and
then
put
it
back
on
the
market.
F
K
I
just
said
that
we
just
need
to
do
something
once
we
acquire
the
house
find
something
to
speed
up
the
process.
I'm
not
saying
you
got
to
do
it
or
you
got
to
do
it,
something
in
an
attorney
I,
guess
that
that
it
is
involved
with.
That
has
to
look
at
what
needs
to
be
done
to
speed
up
the
process.
That's
all
and
I
agree
with
it.
I
mean
councilmen
rest
right
now
these
homes
have
got
to
come
down
because
I
know
I,
don't
want
one
next
door
to
me.
Madam.
C
Chair,
madam
chair,
had
you
said
something
please
sure
our
job
at
the
cdbg
is
two
folds.
Basically,
we
do
meet
with
hard
I'm
a
regular,
regular
basis,
every
program
when
I
say
a
line
item.
That
means
that
item
has
been
approved
been
vetted
out
and
we
have
physically
met
with
hard
representatives.
Sometimes
we
meet
not
only
with
our
rep,
but
also
with
Keith,
who
is
the
head
of
HOD
in
the
Detroit
area,
and
he
will
steer
us
away
from
things.
C
Are
that
might
be
great
I'll
give
you
an
example:
the
Noland
saturd
cemetery
that
we
looked
at
two
years
ago
when
we
went
to
the
Federal
Building,
downtown,
Chris
and
I
went
down
there
and
we
met
with
them.
They
said,
even
though
we
wanted
to
use
it
as
blood
spotlight.
They
told
us
steer
away
from
that.
We're
not
going
to
prove
that.
So
we
backed
away,
we
moved
the
money
to
into
a
different
lion
item.
Once
it
becomes
a
line
item
on
our
budget.
C
The
immediate
has
been
vetted
out,
it
hasn't
been
approved
and
there's
no
questions
about
that.
Somebody
wants
to
know
what
the
matrix
are
or
wants
to
get
it
to
very,
very
detailed
things,
I'll
be
more
than
happy
to
go
through
it,
but
not
in
a
public
meeting.
Please
call
my
office
Chris
or
myself
will
sit
down
with
you,
we'll
go
through
all
the
matrix
and
what
they
mean
and
why
we
in
air
and
therefore
tracking
purposes,
only
not
for.
C
B
C
Spotlight
is
part
of
the
national
objective
that
hard
publishes,
and
so
what
what
HUD
says
is
we
have
a
national
objective
to
clean
up
some
of
the
cities
or
some
other
areas
and
spotlight
is,
is
something
that
they
are
concerned
with.
So,
yes,
it
is
something
that
they
want
us
to
do.
It
is
something
that
they
approve
us
for
and
that's
why
we
get
paid
to
vet
these
and
turn
around
forward
with
these
things.
Okay,.
G
C
C
C
Something
internal
once
we
say
it's
on
an
item
line
on
our
budget.
That
means
we
have
gone
through
whatever
necessary
steps,
so
I
can
call
its
pop
light,
and
particularly
actually
in
Kay
and
in
this
particular
case
I
can
call
it
low
mod
area.
If
the
house
falls
into
a
low
mod
area,
I
can
still
tear
it
down
under
a
different
objective
of
of
heart.
So
in
this
particular
case
we
use
the
spotlight,
am
I,
correct,
Chris
on
this
or
not
thank
you.
So
we
can
use
a
low
mod
area.
C
C
That
means,
if
your
that
means
you're
on
Wilson
Drive
and
that's
what
I
live
and
there's
a
house.
There's
nice
houses,
there
look
in
houses
and
there's
one
house,
that's
really
is
boarded
up
with.
No
windows
are
no
roof.
We
want
to
take
that
outside
of
a
neighborhood,
thus
comes
the
name
good
neighbor
program.
Okay,.
C
L
There's
one
program
I
mean
not
under
saying:
that's.
We
have
questions
because
we're
disappearing.
That's
me
anything.
You,
like
consonant
well
I'm,
not
prepared
to
answer
anything,
but
one
thing
we
should
take
away
from
this
there's
a
bare
minimum.
Is
they
have
the
building
director
Building
Department,
to
have
documentation
of
these
properties
that
are
set
for
demolition,
with
specific
reasons
why
the
bathrooms
of
ceilings
falling
in
all
the
criteria
why
they
think
it
should
be?
L
Demos
are
demolished
and
signed
by
a
specific
person
that
way
we
wouldn't
have
one
of
these
little
problems
were
talking
about
right
now
we
could
eliminate
that
completely.
So
we
should
direct
so
much
to
direct
the
ability
Barton
to
come
up
with
this
form
or
document
or
any
any
any
demolition
in
the
future.
Someone.
H
Doesn't
even
take
an
inspector
to
figure
that
out
I'll
be--I'll?
Can
you
just
drop
by
and
look
at
him
I,
even
I
hope
I
didn't
break
the
rule,
so
hopefully
the
chief
is
not
listening
but
Ivan.
You
know
it's
open,
I
just
opened
up
doors,
it's
bad
I
mean
it's
it's
terrible
in
there.
Second
thing
I
want
to
point
out.
Is
we're
not
getting
any
taxes
on
these?
H
You
know,
I
mean
obviously
taxes
of
taxes,
property
taxes
have
stopped
coming
into
the
city,
so
these
are
properties
are
just
sitting
there
for
two
three,
four
five
or
some
are
even
longer
years,
although
I
do
agree
with
Councilman
gray.
Mas
can
maybe
wait,
or
you
know,
as
far
as
investors
are
concerned,
no
way
they
are
way
early
on
in
the
process,
but
I
heard
a
water
getting
into
the
roof,
etc,
etc.
H
Yeah,
it
probably
would've,
been
an
option
for
different
investors
to
buy
and
clean
them
up
and
keep
them
I'm,
not
saying
that's
on
your
departments,
but
maybe
that's
something
the
administration
should
look
into
to
catch
these
early
on
and
off.
Next
thing
is
I
want
to
point
out
is
what
people
are
trying
to
sell
their
homes
or
even
just
living
in
these
neighborhoods
on
these
blocks.
Actually,
I
would
not
want
any
one
of
these
houses
next
door
to
mouth.
That's
for
sure,
because
I'd
be
in
your
face.
Mr.
H
may
I
be
in
everybody's,
face
yelling
and
screaming
out,
not
anyone
not
for
my
kids,
not
for
just
as
far
as
sight.
Nobody
wants
a
house
like
this
next
up
and
it's
not
fair
to
the
neighbors
that
are
trying
to
obviously
raise
their
property
values
actually
firsthand
from
my
business
you
going
to
a
property
to
sell
it
and
there's
a
house
like
this
across
the
street
or
next
door,
or
anything
like
that.
You
actually
feel
fat.
You're
gonna
take
a
major
loss
on
selling
that
property.
H
When
you
have
a
house
like
this
next
door,
you're
not
going
to
sell
it
at
market
value,
so
it's
not
fair
to
those
neighbors
to
be
losing.
You
know
their
equity
just
because
we
as
a
city
have
delayed
and
get
rid
of
getting
rid
of
these
properties.
And
lastly,
like
you
know,
the
department
had
mentioned
safety.
You
know,
as
far
as
you
know,
it's
too
many
crazies
out
there.
You
know
somebody
taking
a
child
in
or
something
like
that.
Cuz
they're,
open
I
mean
the
goal
is
just
one
of
them.
H
Yes,
this
would
have
been
about
Reuben
last
week,
I
think
ones
day.
I.
H
Again,
I
will
repeat:
I
agree
with
the
councilmen
Bazzi
that
you
know
I
see
his
point.
There
should
be
a
formal
way
of
these
houses
being
condemned.
You
know,
and
what
is
the
report?
Although
yeah
I
agree
visually
myself
looking
at
it
yeah,
you
can
tell
it's
condemnable,
but
there
should
be
some
sort
of
a
formal
system
in
place.
I.
F
F
H
C
A
B
C
Name
is
Councilwoman:
there
is
no
health
program,
there's
a
CDBG
which
is
Community
Development,
Block
Grant
hunter.
Under
that
grant
we
go
ahead
and
do
a
line
items
for
our
budget
will
their
budget.
We
choose
the
names
for
those
things,
we
call
it.
The
water
main
of
Annapolis,
for
example,
and
the
water
main
can
be
a
beach
daily.
It's
name
that
we
come
up
with
council
chair
well,.
C
The
reason
we're
using
that-
and
we
cannot
change
it
because
we
are
using
the
fight
for
instead
of
a
life
folk
accounting
method.
So
we
cannot
change
that.
Go
on
forward,
we'll
use
a
different
name,
our
next
project,
but
the
life
who
has
the
FIFO
actually
has
to
be
implemented
in
this
case,
just
the
accounting
method
I'm
talking
about
comes
my
cousin.
Thank
you.
I
As
far
as
the
title
to
these
properties
I
know,
for
example,
awesome.
The
title
will
be
very
distressed,
very
so,
for
someone
other
than
the
city
to
get
title
would
take
years
that
house
on
Grindley
Park.
That
house
has
been
worked
on
or
under
confer
it's
a
good
20
years.
It's
been
vacant
for
a
good
20
years.
C
Responsibility
for
that
councilman
how
this
is
my
job.
This
is
what
I
do
on
a
daily
basis.
I
show
up
at
8
o'clock
and
leave
at
6
o'clock.
What
I
do
is
meet
with
hardcore
conventions.
Read
books,
read
the
policy
and
when
I
see
that
this
is
has
this
has
been
vetted
and
approved
by
HUD.
I
stand
behind
this
100%
and
I
really
don't
have
to
be
challenged
on
that
unless
you
want
to
bring
a
hot
drop
here,
know.
C
C
I
C
C
Has
been
done
all
over
the
country
under
the
spotlight,
we
have
done
it
in
the
city
of
Dearborn,
Heights
Westland.
Does
it
my
good
friend
Mike
Dennis?
Does
it
and
Radford
they
do
it
in
every
city?
There
is
nothing
controversial
about
this.
All
I'm
asking
is
for
you
to
award
the
lowest
bidder
to
demolish
these
houses.
What
the
administration
and
yourself
decide
to
do
with
them
afterwards
is
yours.
I
have
nothing
to
do
with
that.
A.
B
F
B
F
B
A
We've
started
internal
talks
with
Gary
me
out.
Key
cuz
I
want
to
get
rid
of
us
many
of
these
empty
lots,
except
for
a
creek
lots.
Those
we've
acquired
for
the
purpose
of
the
eCourse
Creek
project.
We're
not
gonna,
sell
them
to
somebody
and
then
spend
a
lot
of
money
buying
it
back.
But
for
everything
else,
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
Gary
has
started
to
direct
and
we
I
I
could
see
us
going
out
for
bids
for
4050
properties
and
whoever's
to
hide
better
on
them.
Get
some.
A
A
A
I
That's
what
constant
that
was
a
problem
in
Detroit
with
investors
buying
packages,
and
then
you
know
for
offing
them
on
the
internet,
and
somebody
buying
I
had
a
case
where
somebody
bought
a
property
from
Texas,
and
so
they
had
the
land
baked
because
they
have
a
glut
of
houses.
Unless
because
well,.
A
I
C
Finally,
just
all
right,
madam
chair,
if
I
just
may,
leave
just
one
line
which
is
come
straight
from
heart.
Maybe
I'll
put
some
a
little
bit
more
comfort.
How
about
the
matrixes
about
these
all
these
numbers,
this
drug
comes
from
straight
from
hard,
which
is
I
printed
out
today,
and
I
will
be
more
than
happy
to
share
to
it
or
give
it
you
afterwards.
Okay,
matrix
code
definitions,
the
matrix
codes
are
used
to
indicate,
but
do
not
establish
activity
eligibility
period.
The
next
line
is
the
codes
are
used
in
IDIS,
which
is
the
computer
program.
C
K
Yeah,
when
we,
you
know,
we
were
talking
about
those
properties
going
up
for
sale
like
we
did
with
the
cap
program,
where
we
wanted
two
homes
to
be
sold.
I'd
like
to
see
something
where
these
investors
come
in,
not
just
to
buy
up
properties
and
build
a
house
and
and
be
rentals
I'd
like
to
see
properties
be
sold.
So
people
have
a
house
and
they
buy
the
house,
because
a
buyer
is
traditionally
more
responsible
for
their
home
than
the
rent
are
not
saying
that
the
renters
are
bad.
K
It's
the
property
owners
sometimes
have
property
managers
taking
care
and
they
don't
care
about
the
property.
It's
rented
and
a
lot
of
them
become
section
eight,
as
long
as
they
get
their
money
from
the
government,
they
don't
care
about
the
property
and
then
jack
has
double
the
work.
So
I'd
like
to
see
some
stipulations,
if
possible,
that
if
you
buy
the
properties,
you
build
a
home
and
you
live
in
ok
or
you
sell
the
house,
not
renting
I,
don't
know
if
that's
legally
possible,
but
it's
something
to
look
at
if
it's
possible
yeah.
A
A
C
C
B
Is
that
regards
to
this
okay,
I'll?
Allow
public
comments
in
regards
to
the
first
part
here
come
up
to
the
microphone
state,
your
name
and
limit
it
to
three
minutes.
G
I've
seen
a
lot
of
my
darling
as
far
as
some
of
you
guys,
we
were
talking
about
Detroit,
Landing
and
stuff
I've
been
on
the
website.
Looked
up
a
lot
of
property
through
lighting,
blame
Bank
I
think
you
guys
have
a
projection
right
here.
If
you
guys
want
to
pull
up
one
of
the
property,
take
a
look
at
that.
Wonderful
because
I
doubt
any
of
you
guys
have
looked
at
them.
If
you
guys
wanted
in
knowledge,
these
properties
I
think
I
saw
Bella
is
a
real
estate
agent
or
know.
G
G
To
thirty
thousand
dollars
probably
will
get
10
to
$15,000;
they
won't
even
cover
the
cost
of
the
demolition
process,
not
including
the
expense
and
stuff.
So
therefore,
I
would
ask
you
guys
to
take
in
their
opinion,
let's
try
to
open
an
auction
on
this
property.
Give
a
week
of
showing
see
how
many
people
are
gonna
come
take
a
look
at.
Let's
have
an
idea.
Anybody
is
interested.
They
want
to
buy
him
fix
him.
Thank
you.
They
don't
want
to
buy
a
fixer,
let
them
demolish
on
their
own
cost.
G
G
Chances
are
slim
to
none
to
have
anybody
who
to
go
out
there
and
build
a
brand-new
house
over
there.
That
you
know
will
cost
more
than
$250,000,
at
least
for
their
specific
area.
Houses
are
being
sold.
Seventy
eighty
eighty-five
thousand
dollars
at
the
most,
so
you
guys
take
a
chance
think
about
that.
Let's
start
to
put
them
out
for
an
auction.
Let's
see
if
somebody's
interested
in
it
give
somebody
the
chance.
Thank
you
thank.
B
N
Good
evening
Council,
we
did
hand
out
a
10-page
or
slow
presentation
that
you
know
plant
Moran
and
we
trim
work
to
compile
for
you.
We
were
gonna
project
it,
but
I,
don't
think
that's
gonna
be
big
enough
for
people
to
see
so
I'm
hopeful
you
can
just
follow
along.
If
you
don't
mind
with
the
documents
in
front
of
you
what
we
tried
to
do
so
you
know.
N
N
So
just
for
clarity,
you
know
what
what
is
this
rate
study
that
we're
talking
about?
It
is
a
long-range
plan
for
the
water
and
sewer
system
over
a
five-year
period.
It
is
a
cash
model
and
the
the
objective.
The
point
is
really
to
determine
the
revenue
that's
required
or
the
rates
that
need
to
be
set
to
cover
the
system
costs
over
a
five-year
period,
operating
cost
capital
as
well
as
required
reserves.
O
If
you
look
at
American
Water
Works
Association,
they're
kinds
of
guidelines-
and
we
want
to
talk
through
this
at
the
presentation
tonight-
the
revenues
you
know
for
voice,
water
and
water-
you
know
you
got
user
charges
to
the
capital
charges,
yes
should
have
sufficient
to
pay
for
annual
operation,
maintenance,
financing,
capital
costs,
maintenance
of
working
capital
and
required
reserves
right-
and
this
is
what
we
want
to
try
to
show
that
the
model
is
covering
all
of
these
areas.
When
you
look
at
guidance
and
determining
a
budget.
N
So
then,
page
four,
we
highlighted
on
the
last
page,
the
maintenance
of
working
capital
required
reserves
that
components
we
wanted
to
expand
on
that
a
little
bit
here
on
slide.
Four,
so
really
there's
two
key
areas
that
the
target
reserves
cover
and
one
is
the
working
capital.
So
you
know
thinking
of
running
it's
effectively
like
running
a
business
right.
You
charge
people
a
cost
to
cover
the
service
that
they're
receiving,
and
so
you
you
can't
ever
run
a
business
with
no
money
in
the
bank.
N
So
you
got
to
have
a
base
level
of
operating
cash
to
keep
your
business
running
as
you
have
timing
delays
with
collection
from
your
customers.
So
that's
what
the
working
capital
reserves
is.
Industry
standard
is
90
to
120
days
and
then.
The
second
item
is
the
capital
emergency
capital
replacement.
So
you
know
think
what's
the
worst
one
or
two
things
that
could
go
wrong
in
the
system
and
what
would
it
cost
the
city
to
address
those
items
immediately
without
the
delay
and
try
to
minimize
disruption
to
your
to
your
users?
B
N
K
O
N
So
dear
burn,
your
your
target
reserve-
if
you
remember
from
we
look
at
the
package
pre-release
previously,
is
a
six
point:
six
million
reserve.
So
that's
what
those
are
the
the
metrics
that
your
team
has
set.
So
the
point
is
you're
right
within
the
minimum
you're
right
within
the
range
of
what
the
industry
standard
says,
you
should
be
you're,
maybe
on
a
little
on
the
low
end
to
be
conservative,
which
is
fine,
so
the
next
page
will
there
any
more
questions.
I'm,
sorry.
N
So
the
next
page
then
just
shows
the
city's
target
working
capital,
which
is
a
6.6
million
and
that
green
dotted
line,
and
it
shows
that
under
two
scenarios,
so
the
first
scenario
is
the
red
line.
So
that's
the
current
proposed
budget
that
you
have
in
front
of
you
with
the
you
know,
five
and
a
quarter
or
so
rate
increases
over
the
next
five
years.
You
guys
probably
remember
the
eight
point.
Two
eight
point:
three
million
dollar
starting
cash
amount.
We've
talked
about
that
a
couple
of
times,
so
it
does
take
that
into
account.
N
So
that's
what
happens
under
the
red
scenario,
the
blue
scenario
below
it
is
if
for
the
current
year
that
were
in
now,
if
the
council
decided
not
to
pass
a
rate
increase
on
for
that
one
year,
but
kept
with
the
increases
in
the
next
four
years.
That
shows
the
impact
there.
So
you
would
drop
further
below
your
target
and,
at
the
end
of
the
five
year
period,
you'd
be
about
a
million
under
I'm.
H
H
B
N
M
Console,
what's
the
likelihood
of
four
years
that
target
working
capital
increasing
nerve?
Is
that
likely
that
would
increase
you.
N
Know
it
really
does
need
to
be
revisited
every
year
so
I,
you
know
I
sort
of
liken
it
to
my
own
household
budget.
Like
I
I
budget,
my
house
will
cost
every
single
year,
but
I
have
to
revisit
it
because
nothing
goes
exactly
as
pin
and
I
might
want
to
take
four
vacations.
But
I
can
only
take
two
you
you
know,
or
you
know
something
happens
at
in
my
house.
The
you
know
I
was
leaking
my
roof
I
didn't
plan
for
so
you
really
have
to
revisit
it
every
year.
N
O
O
O
There's
three
CSO
areas:
L
43,
l,
42
and
L
41
L
43,
which
is
a
two
million
dollar
project,
is
in
this
current
budget
right
and
if
you
look
at
the
schedule,
plans
and
specifications
are
due
now
we
have
to
resubmit
them
to
MDEQ
in
March,
with
construction,
to
commence
in
March
of
next
year
and
completed
by
March
at
2021
right.
These
three
projects
were
originally
designed
back
in
2012
and
because
of
the
financial
situation
of
the
city
who
went
to
MDEQ,
they
gave
us
a
five-year
extension.
O
So
now
the
five-year
extent
it's
coming
due,
so
this
work
needs
to
get
done
and
we
were
able
to
put
the
two
million
dollar
project
into
this
year's
budget.
But
look
at
the
next
two
years:
budgets,
her
projects,
l42
and
l
41.
You
need
eight
point,
six
million
so
talking
to
the
ministration,
where
we
feel
we're
going
to
probably
need
to
do
some
bonding.
For
that
money
for
those
hotel
compounding
this
lamode
is
in
the
projections
of
the
five-year
making
the
assumption
we
will
bond
for
these
projects
that
for
42
and
41.
B
O
K
O
K
O
N
Based
on
a
legal
opinion
that
came
from
I
think
it
was
millet
and
Bill
correct
yeah.
You
can't
take
the
CSO
reserves
and
spend
two
million
on
on
the
project
itself.
You
can
only
use
to
pay
the
debt
when
it
gets
issued.
That
is
factored
in
it's
just.
We
can't
cut
it
in
half
because
it
can't
be
applied
directly.
The.
N
N
A
K
A
K
O
And
other
projects
that
are
in
the
budget
there
they're
not
on
the
on
the
paper
here
we
do
have
some
water
main
replacement
plan
for
next
year
and
one
other
thing
we
need
to
talk
to
the
council
as
we
get
regarding
the
meters
water
meter
change
out.
The
meters
are
30
years
old.
They
really
need
it's
time
to
consider
changing
those
out
there
beyond.
You
know,
in
terms
of
meters
of
the
that
age
he'll
start
meeting
low
and
you're
losing
increase
your
water
loss
by
having
inaccurate
meters.
O
N
N
Amounts
so
you
know
I,
think
the
point
here
is
just
to
kind
of
show
that
uptick
kind
of
study
up
taking
the
coffee
over
years
so
trying
to
plan
the
right
kind
of
follow
that
it
was
part
of
the
goal.
So
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
and
then
Stan
just
talked
about
water
loss,
we're
showing
that
on
page
10,
so
I'm,
you
know,
that's
really
the.
O
K
K
Something
was
mentioned
to
me
to
yesterday
or
today
and
that
you
know,
with
all
that's
been
happening
today:
I'm
losing
the
track
of
time
and
I
and
I
know
people
might
be
disappointed,
but,
like
we
have
these
splash
pads,
that's
water.
It
goes
right
down
the
drain,
the
weep
and
weep
a.
How
do
we
pay
for
their.
K
K
A
If
you
recycle
it,
you
have
to
have
somebody
out
there,
like
you,
would
add
a
sauna
or
a
swimming
pool
to
make
sure
that
yeah,
that
there
isn't
bacteria
and
and
we
it
was
recommended
when
we
got
it.
In
fact,
one
of
our
neighboring
cities
is
getting
a
grant
to
put
one
in
and
I
mentioned
to
the
mayor
that
yeah
you
can
get
it
for
fifty
thousand,
but
it's
gonna.
F
A
You
double
that
every
year
to
operate
it
and
they
were
shocked
because
they
don't
have
any
money
to
operate.
It
so
I
told
I
said
be
careful
what
you
wish
for,
because
you're
gonna
end
up
having
input
a
lot
of
money
plus
somebody
to
watch
it.
So
the
equipment
out
here
is
very
susceptible
to
damage.
You
know.
A
Couldn't
give
you
a
per
day,
but
what
ended
up
happening
is
mr.
Gribble.
We
and
the
council
all
talked
about
it
and
so
for
the
I
think
it
was
once
it
got
above
eighty
degrees.
We
would
operate
it
or
but
not
be
not
below
that
or
let's
say
that
he
wanted
to
have
a
once
old
family
event
over
there
and
wanted
that
turned
on.
We
did
that
if
you
rented
the
pavilion
out
there,
but
we
didn't
keep
it
on
all
the
time,
because
it
was
extremely
expensive
and
Redford
had
the
same
situation.
A
A
N
N
N
So
we
just
ran
a
couple
scenarios
here,
given
the
5-year
rate
plan
on
the
redline
that
the
kind
of
a
straight
line
there
is
just
again
showing
and
there's
the
current
proposed
plan,
even
you
know,
rate
spread
over
the
next
five
years.
If
the
council
did
decide
to
forego
a
rate
increase
this
year,
you
know
I
might
even
sure
whether
that's
on
the
table
or
not,
but
there
I
think
there
were
some
comments,
so
we
just
wanted
to
address
it.
N
O
The
last
slide
there's
been
questions,
I'm
terms
of
Durbin
heights
rates
compared
to
other
communities,
so
we
went
through
and
checked
with
the
neighboring
communities
around
Dearborn
Heights,
and
this
table
is
put
together
what's
important
here.
If
you
look
at
your
water
and
sewer
rate,
those
are
dollars
per
unit,
all
right,
and
then
they
go.
They
range
anywhere
from
two
dollars
and
15
cents
to
almost
$10
a
unit.
All
right,
but
the
other
thing
that's
a
lot
of
communities
are
doing.
Is
they
in
their
sewer
and
water
bill?
O
They
have
a
fixed
rate,
fixed
cost
and
again
that's
to
help
recover
the
fixed
cost
independent
of
how
much
water
they
sell
is
their
fixed
cost.
You
can't
the
fixed
costs
are
the
fixed
cost.
If
you
sell
a
gallon
or
you
sell
million
gallons,
you
still
have
the
fixed
cost.
So
a
lot
of
communities
have
gone
to
trying
to
recover
some
of
their
rate
with
a
fixed
cost.
And
you
see
again,
each
community
has
come
up
with
different
ways
to
what
they
think
is
the
biggest
cost
and
Duren
Heights
case.
O
O
O
The
very
they're
very
right
column
is
looking
at
a
typical
household
cost.
The
typical
household
uses
five
gallons
of
water
per
month.
All
right
I
did
the
calculation
Durbin
Heights
German
Heights
is
right
at
about
5,100
gallons
per
month,
typical
household
and
at
5,000
gallons
per
month.
These
are
this
is
what
the
bill
would
be
at
one
month.
He
so
he
turned
a
pair
dear
my
nights
rate
to
your
neighbors
kept
the
sold.
H
Well,
I
got
into
the
second
question
next
wall
out
dresses
specifically.
So
if
you
look
at
that,
I
mean
you
say
we're
pretty
typical.
No
we're
now
pretty
typical
to
respect,
because
if
you
look
at
these
numbers
here,
the
price
per
month,
which
I
know
some
communities
have
three
months,
you
know
90-day
bills.
Our
community
has
60
day
bills.
H
If
you
look
at
those
numbers
alone,
which
we
just
received
today
before
the
meeting
there's
only
two
communities
are
over
over
ours
and
that's
Wayne
in
Inkster,
if
I
mean
dear
ones,
very
close
for
at
seventy
five
point.
Seven
four
there's
77,
that's
very
close,
but
everything
else
is
below
ours,
including
the
city
of
Taylor,
which
is
at
forty
eight
dollars
and
87
cents
per
month.
Livonia
fifty-seven,
what's
964
Dearborne
65,
so
we're
we're
not
and
again,
I.
H
Look
at
just
even
even
non-scientific
survey,
consistently
I
hear
from
a
lot
of
residents
that
we
have
higher
bills
than
other
communities
in
the
area
or
communities
that
they've
moved
from.
We
got
to
try
to
figure
out
a
way
which
you
guys
been
the
experts
in
that
field.
We
got
the
administration,
we
got
everybody
else
here
to
keep
the
rates
actually
right.
Now,
I'm
gonna
tell
you
clearly
I'm
gonna
vote,
no
on
a
rate
increase,
that's
that's
bad,
but
to
keep
these
rates
lower.
H
It
is
just
too
much
money
that
we
are
charging
and
then
the
concern
that
I've
got
that
I
was
looking
as
the
reserves
that
we've
got.
I
mean
you
mentioned
it's
a
little
too
risky
take
a
little
risk
to
keep
the
rates
down.
You
know
that
you
know
the
amount
of
reserves
that
we've
got
computer,
because
when
things
I
was
here,
I
was
heard
on
the
consoles:
we're
borrowing
from
the
water
fund
we're
borrowing
from
the
water
fund,
we're
borrowing
from
the
water
fund.
P
P
H
Point
I
was
trying
to
the
point:
I
was
trying
to
make
treasurer
is
there's
obviously
enough
money
there
I'm
not
I'm,
not
asking
why
we're
borrowing,
because
it
made
sense,
cuz
I,
remember
we
had
this
conversation
and
one
of
the
council
meetings,
and
you
mentioned
that
we
could
get
it
at
a
obviously
borrowed
from
ourselves.
We
could
get
it
at
a
better
way
as
to
what
we
can
get
from.
You
know
out
there
in
the
private
field,
I
get
that
yeah
I'm,
not
questioning
that
part.
What
I'm
saying
is
there's
enough
money
there.
H
Let's
take
a
little
risk
for
the
next
couple
years
to
keep
these
rates
down.
We
can't
keep
raising
the
water
weights
every
single
year,
4%,
5%,
6%
I.
Just
think
it's
got
to
come
to
a
point
that
we
got
to
come
up
with
either
a
solution
or
just
take
a
little
more
risk
and
just
keep
them
a
little
bit
lower,
at
least
for
the
next
couple
years.
Do.
N
You
want
to
clarify
something
about
Taylor.
If
I
could,
council
president,
they
have
a
4.1
4.2
mill
for
sewer
improvement
costs,
that's
part
of
a
judgment
alleppey
with
Wayne
County,
so
the
city
also
has
that
but
you're
just
like,
maybe
just
over
one.
So
that's
a
big
that's.
Why
is
that
their
commodity
charge
here
so
low,
because
a
lot
of
its
in
that
millage?
It.
P
P
A
If
they,
if
we
use
the
tax
source,
the
one
advantage
to
that
is,
we
can
deduct
it
if
you
are
deducting
on
your
income
tax
return,
not
just
taking
the
standard
deduction,
so
there
is
an
advantage,
especially
for
higher
income
people,
to
do
it
that
way.
But
there
is
now
a
ten
thousand
dollar
limit
on
taxes.
A
I
P
I
P
I
O
Basically,
have
a
revenue
requirement
for
your
water
and
sewer.
Let's
say
it's
ten
million
dollars.
You
can
collect
that
based
on
water
usage,
so
many
dollars
per
unit,
or
you
can
say
how
I
collect
half
of
it
a
fixed
rate.
Well,
you
say:
I
walked
like
five
million
dollars
that
fixed
rate
and
come
up
with
a
formula
to
calculate
that
fixed
rate.
O
A
Another
way
is
part
of
the
fee
is
a
fixed
amount
and
part
of
this
variable,
so
the
variable
is
going
to
be
based
on
how
much
water
you
use
and
more
water
use
the
more
you're
gonna
pay.
The
fix
was
kept
small,
as
I
indicated
before
for
senior
citizen
and
low
income
people,
but
the
more
you
have
in
fixed
the
more
it
solidifies
what
you're
gonna
get
monthly.
A
The
other
thing
you
should
be
aware
of,
there's
and
John
me
know
statistically
I
didn't
ask
him
before
there's
a
certain
percentage
of
people
who
like
to
let
their
water,
but
they
don't.
That
goes
to
the
taxes,
and
then
we
only
collected
at
that
point,
although
there's
a
heavy
penalty
and
interests
associated
with
that,
there
are
people
who
do
that
and
I
suspect
do
it
because
they
deducted
under
income
taxes.
But
it's
not
ad
valorem
taxes.
So.
I
O
And
these
communities
have
different
formulas
different
ways.
They
feel
is
fair,
all
right.
They
may
take
a
residential
unit
and
it's
whatever
it
is
hundred
dollars
a
year.
They
may
look
at
commercial
and
say
it's
200
dollars
a
year.
They
all
come
up
with
their
own
methodology,
but
it's
they
know
at
the
end
of
the
day.
They're
gonna
get
that
fixed
rate
every
year,
regardless
what
they
sell.
O
But
then
there,
their
water
rate
is
going
to
be
lower
because
you're
only
collecting
half
the
money
on
the
water
rate
and
sewer
rate
you
collect
thing
happen
fixed.
So,
if
you
look
at
look
at
look
at
Dearborn,
the
fourth
one
down,
look
at
the
fixed
rate
is
$89.
Those
two
numbers
up
but
look
at
their
their
water
rates,
is
two
dollars
and
15
cents
and
321
all
right,
so
they're
charging
for
the
use,
the
purchase
of
water
cheap,
but
they're
collecting,
probably
half
their
money
on
the
face.
D
D
That
the
further
you
are
the
further
I
mean
the
more
money
they
pay.
Obviously
so
I've
looked
at
at
least
about
20
different
households,
and
these
in
these
areas,
with
a
family
of
four
or
five
right.
One
in
particular,
is
about
six
or
seven
family
family
members
that
living
in
these
homes
and
they're
still
paying
a
lot
less
than
they're
born
heights.
D
With
with
residents
I've
talked
to
our
probably
at
least
ten
are
senior
citizens.
They
are
paying
a
lot
more
than
a
family
of
six
or
seven
in
neighboring
cities
who
are
further
away
from
Dearborn
Heights.
So
again,
you
know
I
mean
I.
We
can
sit
here
all
day
long
and
talk
about
this
here.
It
still
does
not
make
sense
to
me
that
why
Dearborn
Heights
is
paying
more
for
water
weights,
and
now
we
want
to
impose
more
rates
on
the
residents.
D
It
again
I'm
not
voting
for
this,
because
when
he
came
in
front
of
the
budget
last
year
we
approved
a
budget
and
I.
You
know,
then,
surprisingly,
a
few
months
later
there
was
something
that
was
put
in
front
of
us
that
they
want
to
increase
the
water
rates
and
now
we're
going
to
increase
that
again,
you
know
twice
in
one
year.
It
does
not
make
sense
to
me
so
I
think
we
should
wait
for
the
next
budget.
This.
D
N
Just
want
to
clarify
our
room,
we
are
literally
taking
the
actual
cost
of
the
system
and
we
have
a
model
that
allows
us
to
say
based
on
what
your
costs
are.
As
a
city,
here's
the
revenue,
here's
the
cash
you
need
to
cover
your
cost.
We
don't
have
a
role
in
setting
the
budget
or
controlling
the
costs,
or
any
of
that
we're
literally
just
saying
these.
So
so
I,
you
know
I
I,
apologize,
I!
Don't
want
anyone
to
think
that
we're
not
hearing
your
concerns
are
addressing
them.
N
We
just
don't
control
the
budget,
we're
literally
putting
together
a
model
to
say
based
on
the
city's
cost
as
they
are.
We
have
a
tool
that
helps
you
determine
where
your
rates
and
your
revenue
requirement
is
to
cover
those
costs,
and
that's
that's
the
only
role
we're
playing.
So
you
know
I
apologize
if
we're
not
addressing
some
of
the
concerns
about
the
budget
itself,
but
that
is
outside
of
our
role
and.
N
K
Wasn't
there
when
we
when
we
spoke
with
when
at
least
I
spoke
to
you
when
I
asked
you
a
question
about
the
water
budget,
when
we
were
going
through
the
hearings
about
this
I
said
about
looking
at
the
water
about
when
water
gets
paid
back
what
they,
what
they
spent
from
other
departments.
Isn't
there
weren't
we
deficient
on
that?
Do
you
remember
that
that
we
weren't
had
any
control
on
money
coming
back
to
the
water
department,
when
the
water
department
spent
money
am
I
correct
in
saying
that
I.
N
Would
like
to
clarify
that
so
relative
to
loans,
I
agree
100%
with
what
the
treasurer
said
that
there
were
loans
before
they
were
all
paid
back
with
interest,
and
we
did
verify
that
we
have
a
requirement
to
verify
that,
because
those
are
restricted
funds.
That
was
several
years
ago.
There
was
an
item
that
we
looked
at
for
the
audit
this
past
year,
relative
to
some
inventory
and
things
like
that,
and
there
were
some
items
that
were
very
delayed
in
getting
paid
back.
K
And
there's
where
we
can
cut
some
cost
to
the
water,
also
by
making
sure
that
everybody
pays
back
water.
What
water
spends
I
myself
did.
My
personal
belief
is
when
you
have
a
department,
a
DPW
department,
that
you
have
a
truck-
that's
shared
between
two
three
two
different
departments
that
all
departments
should
share
in
the
cost:
we're
always
buying
it
from
water
and
I.
K
N
N
N
Controls
and
for
making
sure
everything
all
day
we
did
see
that
eventually
the
funds
got
paid
back.
There
was
a
delay
and
there
are
some
shared
cost
share.
Costs
are
fair
because
someone's
got
to
pay
for
them,
but
I
agree
if
it's
not
a
chair
cause,
but
I
just
want
to
clarify
that.
That's
not
gonna
balance
the
water
and
sewer
I.
K
Know
it
won't,
but
I
just
want
to
find
a
way
to
cut
costs
sure
to
the
water
department.
Okay,
when
we
buy
a
tire
for
a
truck
for
$300
that
that
truck
is
used
in
three
different
places.
But
water
pays
for
it
all,
because
water
supposedly
owns
that
vehicle,
while
water
owns
that
vehicle
and
another
person
is
using
it,
that
person
should
be
paying
what
apartment
for
using
it.
That's.
A
All
I'm
saying
and
with
the
new
DPW
director
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about
and
you
got
chance
to
hear
the
viewpoint
directly.
I've
asked
them
to
more
directly
have
the
cost
that
our
highway
or
building
the
maintenance
and
the
water
be
kept
separate.
So
he's
going
to
attempt
do
that
for
us
and
I
I
trust.
You
will
okay.
I
Q
I
For
example,
so
Annapolis
gets
repaired
because
of
let's
see
or
a
sewer
gets
dug
up.
That's
obviously
makes
punches
on
the
water
fund
like
a
tire
for
a
truck
that
is
used.
Let's
say
fifty
percent
of
the
time
by
the
waterfront.
Are
you
familiar
at
all
other
cities
what
they
do
regarding
allocating
if.
N
It's
a
shared
cost.
It
would
not
be
uncommon.
No,
so
someone's
got
to
pay
for
it.
Some
communities
might
pay
for
the
general
fund
in
charge,
water
others
would
pay
for
it
under
water
and
sewer
and
then
charge
general
fund.
It's
a
mixed
bag.
Honestly,
the
important
part
is
that
you
have
the
accurate
records
and
that
you
have
a
consistent
process
in
place
to
make
sure
those
are
done
timely,
accurately
and
consistently,
and
that
someone's
monitoring
that
so
that's
another
thing
you
want
to
have
someone
double-checking
the
system
and.
I
N
What
we
looked
at,
we
looked,
it
was
a
lot
of
small
parts.
I
mean
I'm,
talking
about
the
fact
that
you
have
a
twenty
million
dollar
operating
budget
and
capital
and
debt
on
top
of
that,
and
so
I
don't
want
to
diminish
the
concern
because
we
thought
it
was
significant
enough
to
put
it
in
writing-
and
we
did
say,
hey
we'd
like
to
see
that
some
of
the
processes
improved,
but
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
relative
to
the
conversation
about
balancing
the
budget.
Okay,.
K
Big
thing
is,
is
how
many
workers,
how
many
people
are
being
paid
to
do
this
administrative
work?
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
in
here
that
I
was
pointed
out,
what
we're
we're
actually
putting
in
the
actual
pair
and
maintenance
of
building
ground
repair
and
maintenance
equipment.
All
of
this
stuff
is
in
he's,
like
the
admin
costs.
K
Okay,
but
if
you
look
at
the
salaries
of
one
department
536
and
then
you
got
another
department
537,
how
many
people
are
we
paying
total
amount
of
employees
for
it
to
come
out
to
be
in
in
Department
536?
We
got
four
hundred,
eight
thousand
131
actual
results
in
17,
18,
okay
and
then
our
proposed
budget
for
the
following
year
is
390
6668.
K
It
actually
drops,
and
then
we
look
at
Department
a
different
department
here
of
excuse
me
537,
and
then
we
come
across
there's
another
696,000
496,
that's
a
lot
of
money
for
the
employees
that
we
have
here.
You
mean
to
tell
me
that
our
employees
in
a
water
department
get
paid
that
kind
of
money.
Well,.
K
Of
the
32
people
but
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
spend
almost
3.8
million
dollars
or
on
on
this
stuff
and
I
guess:
I'm
gonna
have
to
do
some
homework
and
ask
some
more
questions
not
in
this
session.
Obviously
we
can
sit
down
Allicia
myself,
where
I
can
call
you
and
we
can
go
through
it,
don't
take
forever
for
me
to
try
to
understand
it
here.
K
Q
E
I
sample
was
$800.
I
have
a
big
concern
that
I
like
to
bring
to
your
attention:
I'm
a
father
of
five
children
and
Crestwood
School
District,
and
for
15
years
I've
been
taking
my
children
to
the
same
school
system,
Riverside
and
cress
wet,
and
the
process
is
always
the
same.
The
cars
line
up
because
the
amount
of
the
number
of
students.
K
B
E
Is
exactly
the
reason
I'm
here
I
like
to
know
which
department
I
need
to
address
to
fix
this
concern?
The
concern
is
safety
for
my
students
and
me
trying
to
evade
evade
the
police
officers
do
not
get
a
ticket
for
15
years.
It
was
okay
for
me
to
stand
on
line
to
drop
off
my
child
at
the
school
district.
All
of
the
sudden
it
becomes
me
getting
a
ticket
if
I'm
lying
to
get
into
the
school
system.
I
did
on
February
8
I
did
get
a
ticket
while
trying
to
get
my
daughter
from
Riverside.
E
The
concern
that
I
have
is
then
I
googled,
how
many
students
attend
the
school
district,
or
at
least
at
Crestwood
1263
students
and
the
only
ramp
that
allows
you
to
get
into
the
school
system
like
to
drop
off.
The
children
fits,
in
my
opinion,
no
more
than
30
cars.
If
you
go
further
down
to
for
the
first
block,
the
size
tells
you
no
stopping
no
standing,
no
dropping
off
the
place
where
the
teachers
park,
no
stopping
no
dropping
off
students.
So
where
does
a
person
go?
E
Where
do
I
go
to
drop
my
children
off
without
getting
a
ticket
which
department
is
responsible
to
make
the
decision
for
the
police
officers
to
get
you
tickets
to
people
today,
for
example,
I
saw
two
police
officers
parked
in
a
median
lane
on
Riverside
giving
tickets
to
people
who
are
trying
to
pick
up
their
children
me
being
one
of
them.
So
the
question
is
instead
of
having
the
police
officer
directing
traffic
and
ensuring
the
safety
of
our
students,
they're
actually
issuing
tickets.
E
R
R
R
To
just
take
care
of
a
parking
issue
with
or
drop-off
issue
with
kress
with
high
school,
it's
about
a
two
million
dollar
project
for
press
one.
So
it's
we
wish.
We
could
say
we
tried
staring
arrival
times,
but
that's
on
the
press.
What
school
district
has
to
work
on?
We
tried
other
approaches
to
resolving
the
issue.
It's
it's
something
we're
constantly
doing.
R
D
D
R
So
so
we
cross
Warren
Beach
Taylor's
crossing
they
can
they
can
leave
to
a
drop
off
the
kids
earlier
at
school.
Leave
the
kids
outside
there's
other
options.
Everybody
wants
to
get
there
at
eight
o'clock
or
whenever
arrival
time
is
because
they
don't
want
the
children
walking
or
waiting
outside,
but.
E
E
The
concern
that
I
have
is
those
two
police
officers
that
you
already
paid
people,
so
they
can
ticket
people,
one
should
be
standing
at
the
end
of
the
line
directing
traffic
traffic
and
the
first
one
should
be
at
the
beginning
of
the
line
to
address
the
safety
of
the
students
getting
a
to
the
school.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.