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From YouTube: Dearborn Heights Study Session - 4/5/22
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The Dearborn Heights Study Session regarding the Van Born Overlay taking place Tuesday, April 5th 2022 at Riverside Middle School and over Zoom.
A
Good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
today
is
tuesday
april
5th,
2022,
it's
5,
30
p.m,
and
we're
doing
a
study
session.
Actually,
it's
gonna
be
two
study
sessions.
The
first
one
is
on
van
borne
overlay
presented
by
wade
trim
in
the
second
one.
It's
gonna
be
immediately
followed
by
the
planning
commission
ordinance
presented
by
a
corporation
council
miyaki
you
ali
deep.
You
wanna
go
ahead
and
start
with
us
and
if
you
could
do
me
a
favor
sadie,
if
you
could
give
the
general
audience
I
mean.
A
Obviously
all
of
us
are
familiar
with
this,
and
so
are
you,
of
course,
because
you've
been
working
on
this
24
7.,
but
if
you
could
give
it
to
a
general
audience,
just
a
general,
maybe
one
or
two
or
three
sentences
idea
of
what
not
so
much
what
today's
presentation
is
all
about.
Just
the
total
package.
What
this
whole
thing
about
vanborn
is
all
about.
B
B
This
district,
as
we
all
know,
vanborn
borders,
two
cities,
our
city
and
and
and
the
city
of
taylor,
and
the
idea
was
for
the
the
gateway
overlay
as
an
ordinance
to
try
to
the
objective
was
to
create
the
to
enhance
the
appearance
of
both
cities
in
in
the
general
area
of
of
between
vanborn
and
so
by
by
introducing
building
design
requirements
and
and
and
when
we
say
an
overlay-
and
I
know
this
created
a
lot
of
confusion.
This
is
not
to
replace
all
of
our
existing
codes.
B
This
is
in
addition
to
this.
Is
these
are
the
requirements
if
you
will
and
amanda
dundon.
This
is
the
requirements
for
that
for
work
within
that
area
and
for
uniformity
purposes.
We
are
we're
coordinating
with
the
city
of
taylor,
because
one
side
is
the
one
heights.
One
side
is
taylor,
and
this
will
create
the
the
objectives
to
create,
to
create
a
positive
impression
for
both
cities
and
to
improve
the
vehicular
and
pedestrian
circulations
within
within
that
area.
B
Now
the
full
impact
will
not
be
seen
overnight,
obviously,
because
we
are
you're
not
going
to
demo
and
rebuild
the
area,
but
what
you
got
to
do
is
you're,
going
to
start
someplace
by
creating
the
standards
and
then
implementing
them
on
both
sides
of
the
sea.
So
us
and
taylor
will
implement
both
requirements
and
as
businesses
come
to
the
city
or
renovate
or
construct
so
new
construction
renovations
improvements.
B
Will
then
you
apply
the
new
standards
and
over
time,
what
you're
gonna
do
is
you
know,
you'll
have
the
identity
to
that
location.
You
create
an
identity,
you
you
people
will
be
able
and
and
thanks
to
councilman
winsel.
I
think
in
your
package
you'll
see
the
first
business
that
was
renovated,
even
though
we
haven't
officially,
you
haven't
officially
adopted
the
ordinance
they
they
create
it
and
they
put
the
sign
on
that
gas
station
on
the
northwest
corner,
which
is
the
gas
station
on
van
borne
and
telegraph,
which.
D
A
So,
in
summary,
just
because
I've
been
a
part
of
these
meetings
for
a
while,
as
I
know,
the
mayor
also-
and
you
have
been-
I've-
been
in
not
the
specific
medium,
but
I'm
talking
about
the
media
head
for
the
general
public.
But
in
summary,
the
plan
is
for
in
some
for
some
of
the
new
newer
council
members.
The
plan
is
to
have
taylor
and
us
combined
together,
to
make
vanborn
a
much
nicer.
B
B
A
B
So
the
balance
here
and
the
challenge
between
us
and
for
both
cities
and
the
consultants
and
and
in
a
minute
you're
going
to
hear
from
the
consultant,
is
to
not
make
the
ordinance
so
costly
as
to
be
cost
prohibitive
because
you
wanted
to
improve
it,
but
you
also
wanted
to
make
it
affordable.
So
it's.
B
Thing,
and
I
believe
I
believe
what
you
have
before
you
and
we
went
back
and
forth
and
there
were
many
reviews,
and
I
I
know
councilman
wenzel
and
the
consultant
obtained.
You
know,
reviews
from
both
cities
and
improvements
were
made
and
what
you
have
before
you
now,
if
adopted,
is,
is,
in
my
opinion,
a
good
policy
to
implement
and
to
adopt
council
chair.
D
D
D
B
So
so,
as
long
as
they
met
the
building
codes,
they
were
able
to
build.
But
now
what
you
have
is
you
have
an
identity
and
standards
for
businesses
located
in
that
area.
So
in
that
area,
when
someone
goes
in
to
either
start
a
new
business
to
to
renovate
or
to
build,
we'll
have
to
follow
the
new
ordnance.
B
H
Great
thank
you,
council,
member
and
council
member
council,
chair
and
council
members
and
mayor
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
tonight.
My
name
is
arthur
mullen.
I
work
with
wade
trim
in
our
planning
group,
and
I
want
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background
about
how
we
got
here.
Some
of
you
were
with
us
at
the
beginning,
and
it's
been
a
it's
been
a
process
and
I'll
answer.
Some
questions
that
have
already
been
brought
up
about:
timing
and
costs
and
the
like.
So
a
little
bit
of
the
project
background
one.
H
H
You've
got
8
900,
11
500
cars
traveling
per
day
on
the
roadway,
which
is
a
pretty
high
traffic
count
amount.
We'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
that
impacted,
some
opportunities,
and
then
we
also
did
a
land
use
and
zoning
analysis
to
look
at
what
is
the
existing
zoning
in
each
community?
What
are
the
existing
uses
in
each
community?
So
do
we
have
industrial?
We
have
commercial
and
the
like.
H
Then
we
also
had
several
public
meetings
to
try
to
build
some
consensus
at
the
bottom
of
the
image
is
is
the
words
that
came
up
the
most
from
the
residents
about
how
they
felt
about
the
community.
So
you
can
see
that
people,
and
I
think
this
is
fairly
unanimous.
They
would
like
to
see
the
quarter
improved,
and
that
is
one
thing
that
kind
of
came
across
from
everyone's
general
consensus.
The
condition
of
the
road
which
we
know
is
improving
wayne
county
is
repaving
some
segments,
but
it
is
also
not
just
the
road
itself.
H
This
is
something
you
could
begin
right
away,
and
both
communities
have
begun
working
with
the
property
owners
and
also
their
own
dpws,
to
make
improvements,
so
I
think
we're
starting
to
see
some
of
that
impact
already
occurring
code
enforcement
has
been
occurring
with
both
communities
along
the
corridor
as
well,
which
is
really
trying
to
encourage
the
community,
the
community
property
owners
to
bring
their
buildings
into
compliance
and
then
also
encouraging
the
cities
to
do
some
low-hanging
fruit,
beautification
efforts,
planting
trees
and
improving
landscaping.
I
love
it.
H
H
The
midterm
recommendations
from
the
2018
plan
dealt
with
prioritizing
continuous
sidewalk
and
bike
path
along
the
route
on
both
sides,
installing
lighting
to
enhance
the
safety
and
the
and
the
aesthetic
so
that
we'd
have
lighting
along
the
entire
length
evenly
support
civic
engagement
with
the
neighbors
and
stakeholders
and
then
also
facade
improvements
and
there's
been
some
facade,
improvement
monies
being
spent
from
both
ddas
on
both
sides
of
the
road.
The
long-term
item
is
the
one
that
we
already
discussed,
which
is
got
a
pretty
big
price
tag.
H
The
big
part
of
that
price
tag
is
trying
to
put
the
power
underground.
That's
where
we
got
to
about
a
million
dollars
a
mile.
That
is
a
dream.
If
there
was
funding
available,
it
would
significantly
improve
the
aesthetic
character
of
the
corridor
and
then
also
allow
you
to
do
a
different
type
of
landscaping
along
the
corridor.
That's
kind
of
the
long,
the
dream
of
it
parts
of
it
also
include
here,
is
an
example
of
the
preferred
alternative
that
also
shows
screen
infrastructure
along
both
sides
of
the
road.
H
The
couple
things
that
we
couldn't
do
because
of
this
is,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
a
lot
of
traffic
on
the
road
in
high
speed
limits.
So
there
was
no
ability
for
us
to
be
able
to
have
a
road
diet
which
is
to
reduce
the
width
of
the
roadway
and
also
have
on
on
on
road
parking,
so
parallel
parking
because
the
the
speed
limit
was
too
high.
So
that
is
a
couple
of
things
that
really
kind
of
trim
down
the
preferred
alternative,
typical
streetscape
plan.
This
is
the
top
section.
H
H
Currently
almost
two
and
a
half
miles
of
that
four
mile
stretch
is
under
ownership
of
either
public
or
large
property
owners
and,
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
create
a
bike
path,
connection
along
the
water,
where
we're
not
going
through
people's
backyard.
So
this
is
a
vision
of
what's
possible.
The
reason
why
this
is
a
wonderful
opportunity
is
your
nearest.
East-West
connector
is
two
miles
north
and
the
nearest
east-west
non-motorized,
connector
south
is
four
miles
south,
and
this
has
been
included
in
plans
for
southeast
michigan's
greenway
connections
for
a
while.
H
I'm
not
sure
that
you
all
are
dying
to
discuss
zoning
overlaid
language.
So
I
want
to
just
quickly
give
you
some
of
the
high
points
and
then
happy
to
answer
questions
at
the
end.
If
there's
any
specific
questions,
so
with
the
with
the
steering
co,
we
worked
with
the
municipal
steering
committee,
which
were
representatives
of
both
the
cities
to
really
develop
this
language,
and
one
of
the
things
you
want
to
do
is
like
what
is
the
design
vision
for
the
corridor.
H
H
The
top
right
is
a
gas
station
and
it's
a
pretty
nice
looking
gas
station
because
it's
actually
buffered
the
signage
is
tied
into
the
overall
landscaping
as
well
so
kind
of
we're
trying
to
think
of
what
are
the
possibilities
in
saying
that
there
are
opportunities
for
us
in
this
region
to
have
roads
that
look
better
and
look
nicer
and
don't
quite
look
like
a
1950s
60s
urban
strip.
So
we
wanted
to
kind
of
confirm
that
we
also
looked
at
plymouth
road
in
livonia.
H
The
parking
lots
are
behind
the
decorative
knee
walls,
there's
if
on
street
side
parking,
and
then
there
is
also
no
parking
out
in
front
of
the
building,
so
we're
kind
of
trying
to
create
a
street
space
instead
of
a
parking
lot.
That's
along
the
road,
ann
arbor
road
in
plymouth.
Township
is
another
one
that
we
had
looked
at
with
the
committee.
There's
a
fast
food
is
on
the
left,
pulled
right
up
to
the
street.
H
That's
an
industrial
building
on
the
lower
right
and
that's
got
gooseneck
lighting
and
some
materials
that
are
above
what
you
would
expect
out
of
a
normal
industrial
building
and
then
the
final
kind
of
concept,
vision
that
we're
looking
at
is
five
mile
road
in
redford,
and
here
you
get
to
see
outdoor
there's
some
outdoor
seating
as
well
and
mature
landscaping.
So
we
kind
of
wanted
to
be
able
to
say.
Is
this
what
we're
looking
for?
H
H
The
overlay
district
in
taylor
will
include
those
regulations
if
it's
missing
in
dearborn
heights,
that
would
be
included
in
dearborn
heights,
so
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
have
uniformity
across
also
parking.
We
all
know
that
parking
lots
are
pretty
darn
ugly
unless
you
encourage
them
to
do
something
a
little
bit
different
and
then
also
your
signage.
H
We
did
the
drafting
of
the
language
after
we
confirmed
the
goals.
We
then
had
six
drafts
that
we
worked
through
the
steering
committee.
The
mayor,
I
was
at
several
of
those,
so
it
was
commissioner
wenzel,
mr
deeb
so,
and
representatives
from
the
city
of
taylor
as
well,
and
then
we
presented
those
to
the
steering
committee
of
property
and
business
owners
and
now
we're
into
the
adoption
process.
H
So
with
that
to
approve
a
new
zoning
language,
it
has
to
come
from
your
planning
commission.
They
have
to
have
a
public
hearing
and
then
it
would
then
come
back
to
you
for
formal
adoption,
so
we
just
kind
of
wanted.
We
know
that
it
was
important
for
you
all
when
you
approved
this
project
and
partnering
with
taylor
that
we
didn't
want
to
have
this
go
on
forever.
A
A
When
will
joe
public
see
any
change
on
anything
on
vanborn,
because
I
I've
been
a
part
of
this
since
2017
and
and
and
I've
had
concerns
and
hopefully
not
because
I
guess
it's
on
a
positive
note
still
going,
but
on
a
challenging
note
is
I
or
joel
public
have
seen
next
to
nothing
on
the
ground
as
far
as
any
changes?
So
then
you
start
to
wonder.
I
start
to
wonder
and
joe
public
starts
to
wonder
it's
just
just
a
bunch
of
lines
that
the
government
has
given
us
when
in
reality,
nothing's
going
gonna
happen.
A
H
Well,
I
think
so.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
That's,
I
think
important,
because
the
residents
are
the
ones
who
told
us
at
the
beginning
that
hey
we
don't
like
what
it
looks
like
one
one
caveat
is
this
overlay
piece
is
a
is
a
overtime
process,
so
this
is
not
going
to
be
able
to
go
out
to
a
property
owner
and
say
you
must
conform
with
these
designs.
H
They
have
to
come
in
to
either
one
of
the
two
building
departments
and
request
a
building
permit,
and
that's
when
you'll
see
that
side
of
the
changes,
so
it
is
going
to
this
overlay
in
in
this
type
of
land
use,
is
a
10
20
year
process
we're
starting
to
see
changes
already.
I
believe
that
the
gas
station
that
was
mentioned
by
mr
dibb
is
already
at
you
know.
Changes
were
made
to
that
to
improve
the
aesthetic
character
of
that
from
what
was
originally
proposed
to
come
in
in
line
with.
A
This
yeah,
but
with
all
due
respect,
but
that's
something
that
can
happen.
You
know
that
that's
happening
right
now
on
ford
road
in
wisconsin
and
iowa
and
dallas
texas,
I
mean
there's,
there's
always
new
businesses,
opening
up
and
they're
typically
going
to
remodel
it.
I'm
talking
about,
I
don't
use
the
words
massive
changes,
but
actual
digestible
changes
that
joe
public
can
see
not
one
gas
station.
I
get
it,
but
I
mean
there's
changes
to
gas
stations
and
restaurants
all
the
time
right.
H
Well,
what
I
will
say
is
this:
this
process
is
not
going
to
lead
to
major
change
this
overnight.
This
portion
of
the
overlay
district
language
can't
because
we
don't
have
the
tool
to
hammer
the
property
owner
on
their
head
and
say
you
have
to
come
into
alignment
with
these
requirements
today,
but
a
new
business.
F
Council
chair
yes,
so
one
of
the
things
also
we
discussed
is
the
infrastructure
money
and
not
the
arpa.
You
know
something
coming
later
that
we
can
actually,
depending
on
how
much
money
the
cities
will
get.
You
know
from
the
infrastructure
we
can
actually.
But
again,
you
know
this
is
not
guaranteed.
You
know
we
have
to
see
what
numbers
come
up.
You
know
to
to
the
city
of
dearborn
heights
or
taylor.
We
can
say
I
mean
if
they
allocate
money
infrastructure
money
for
this,
both
cities.
F
We
can
give
incentives
to
business
owners,
we
can
say
hey,
you
know
we
have
x
amount
of
dollars.
You
know
we
can
allocate.
You
know
this
much.
We
can
give
them.
We
can
give
businesses
incentive
by
giving
them
certain
amount
of
money
for
them
to
to
do
modification
to
do
updates
upgrades
to
the
area
of
vanborn.
F
So
I
know
we
talked
about
it
with
taylor
and
that's
something
you
know
that
we're
actually
thinking
about,
but
depending
on
how
much,
how
much
money
we
get-
and
we
did
discuss
this
with
several
businesses
in
the
area.
Everybody
has
the
same
idea.
You
know
they
want
to
improve
businesses
on
vanborn,
both
sides
then
dearborn
heights
and
taylor.
So
with
that
they're
starting
to
listen,
you
know
they
want
to
improve
traffic
on
that
road.
F
Try
to
get
people
to
stop
and
shop
on
van
borne,
so
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
are
in
work,
not
just
the
ordinance
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we're
working
on
it.
Just
you
know:
we've
been
working
on
this
for
the
last
year
and
a
half
and
there's
a
lot
of
positive
things.
As
they
mentioned.
You
know
the
owner
of
bellagio,
saying
by
dune.
F
He
didn't
have
to
spend
tens
and
thousands
of
dollars
in
the
front
area
of
his
business,
but
we
reached
out
to
him
and
with
the
help
of
councilman
wenzel,
you
know
we
talked
him
into
like
hey.
You
know
this.
This
process
is
coming
and
he
did
invest
the
money,
even
though
he
didn't
have
to
and
right
now
he
has
the
property
across
the
street
on
a
tailor
side
he's
actually
thinking
about
doing
the
same
thing,
because
every
business
in
the
area
wants
to
improve
the
street.
F
They
want
to
improve
the
you
know:
foot
traffic,
you
know
people
walking
and
also
people
driving
up
and
shopping
and
there's
there's
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of.
I
see
a
lot
of
excitement.
You
know,
especially
what
we're
talking
about
they're,
seeing
we
have
stuff
documented
now
both
cities
are
in
collaboration,
trying
to
do
something
positive.
I
mean,
as
the
mentioned
it's
going
to
take
a
little
bit
of
time,
but
we're
trying
to
speed
it
up
by
trying
to
figure
try
to
allocate
some
money
through
whatever
means
possible.
A
A
We're
getting
some
sort
of
incentive,
I
can
tell
you,
I
speak
for
myself.
Personally,
I
have
no
problem
with
us,
creating
some
incentives,
obviously
financial
for
some
of
these
businesses
to
change
the
facade,
and
I
know
at
one
point
you
had
talked
about
working.
It
was
either
with
the
county.
I
think
it
was
with
the
county
and
creating
either
grants
and
then
also,
of
course,
paying
for
we're
doing
a
lot
of
the
roads
there,
because
they
are
in
pretty
bad
shape,
which
obviously
would
help.
B
B
Keep
in
mind,
though,
we
we're
we're
looking
at
a
citywide
master
plan
next
year
right,
so
that's
going
to
be
in
our
budget
for
next
year.
This
is
where
all
these
ideas
come
together.
So
if
we
decide
if
we
adopt
these
standards
or
this
overlay
or
this
new
ordinance,
we
are
going
to
put
that
in
in
our
package.
When
we
go
out
and
look
at
our
master
plan,
that
will
be
the
road
map
to
where
we
need
to
go
and
and
what
level
finishes.
This
is
only
telling
you
this
is
the
idea.
B
This
is
the
image
that
I
want
for
that
location
and
and
then
we'll
go.
This
will
be
included,
and
that
will
be
where
what
will
generate
the
capital
list
of
capital
projects.
So
it's
going
to
be
a
step-by-step
process,
but
once
you
decide,
this
is
where
we
want
to
go
and
we
we
adopted
both
us
and
taylor.
That
is
our
that's
the
first
step
in
trying
to
get
it
to
reality.
A
F
Another
thing
also
with
that
not
so
much
with
these
ordinances
there's
also
the
e-course
creek.
So
that's
another
step
that
we're
actually
I
mean
we're
working
on
dual
paths,
maybe
like
three
four
paths.
You
know
for
that
particular
for
that
area.
The
e-course
creek
is
a
huge
problem
in
that
area,
so
a
lot
of
businesses
they're
shying
away
from
investing
money
in
that
location
because
of
the
flooding.
F
A
If
there
was
ever
a
time
for
business
to
to
to
to
open
up
or
buy
in
that
area,
this
is
it
because
they're
getting
a
a
sense
on
the
dollar
and
once
all
these
renovations
finish,
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
afford
to
buy
or
open
up
a
business
on
van
bourne.
So
if
there
was
ever
a
time
this
is
it
and
I'm
glad
the
city
is
still
focused
on
this,
because
my
concern
with
this,
mr
mayor,
is
this
project
started
with
the
our
past
mayor.
A
God
rest
his
soul,
mayor
paletko,
and
I
was
concerned
at
time
that
you
know
I.
I
was
hoping
from
him
and
I
it
was
not
just
lip
service
that
we're
giving
to
the
residents
and
I'm
glad
that
he
continued
to
go
with
it
and
unfortunately
he
had
he
passed
away
and
I'm
glad
that
you
as
a
mayor
are
continuing
to
go
with
this,
because
we
can't
let
this
go.
A
And
I
I
challenged
all
of
us
council
members
to
continue
to
push
the
administration
to
continue
pushing
in
a
direction
to
fix
that
street
to
a
level
that
it
should
be
at
the
level
that
it
should
be
in
dearborn
heights,
because
ford
road
is
doing
very
well,
which
is
great
and
telegraph
is
doing
pretty
good,
which
is
great,
but
the
residents
in
the
south
heights
area
still
need
a
lot
of
good
businesses
to
be
some
of
them
complain.
They
have
very
little
restaurants
to
go
to.
A
They
have
almost
no
supermarkets
and
they
complain
they
have
to
drive
around
vanborn
and
go
over
to
halfway
down
telegraph
to
get
their
everyday
services,
and
that
is
just
not
right.
Unfortunately-
and
I'm
not
saying
it's-
the
this
particular
administration
or
the
past
administration's
fault,
but
I
it's
got
to
be
focused
on
this-
has
to
be
a
major
focus
and
I'm
glad
it
is.
F
F
I
I
You
know
who,
in
the
building
department
who
owned
the
property
there
and
he
told
us
it
was
sam
bay,
doom
from
bellagio
and
the
mayor
got
us
together
and
we
talked
to
him
and
we
told
him
what
our
plan
was,
and
we
said
you
know
we
wanted
to
do
something.
So
people
could
see
something
happening
because
this
or
this
ordinance
is
going
to
take
a
long
time
and
he
said
well,
what
do
you
want?
I
mean
you
just
said:
well,
whatever
you
want
I'll
do
it,
we
said
well,
how
about
a
sign?
I
You
know
he
says
well
yeah
what
kind?
What
do
you
want
on
the
sign
and
this
this
was
something
that
we
put
together.
Just
like
you're
saying:
where
can
we
see
something
well
now
you're,
seeing
something
now
people
aren't
going
to
be
satisfied.
It's
a
sign!
They're
going
to
see
something
else,
but
anything
you
do
or
any
monies
you
want
to
get
in
grants.
You
have
to
have
an
ordinance
in
place
already.
I
So
that's
what
this
is
all
about
is
getting
to
getting
the
ball
rolling
and
there's
a
lot
of
business
owners
up
and
down
van
bourne.
Both
sides
are
just
chomping
at
the
bit
to
do
something
nice
in
front
of
their
building,
but
they
don't
want
to
be
the
only
one.
So
we
get
this
ordinance
together.
We've
talked
to
tiffa
antifa
is
anxious
because
on
vanborn
on
vanborn
road
from
telegraph
to
inkster
in
taylor,
the
tiffa
zone
and
just
the
opposite
on
taylor
sites
from
telegraph
to
pelham
road
is
tifa.
I
So
there's
there's
tiffa
covered
on
both
sides
of
both
the
cities
all
the
way.
This
whole
whole
stretch,
so
I
mean
we,
we
started
something
we
got
to
sign.
Samba
doing
was
more
than
generous.
Like
the
mayor
said,
he
owns
a
property
kitty
corner
from
there.
We
talked
to
him
already.
He
says
I'm
willing
to
do
something
on
that,
and
this
is
like
the
cornerstone
to
telegraph
and
vanborn
is
of
this
project.
So
we
are,
we've
done
a
ton
of
work,
these
guys
right
here,
a
ton
of
work
behind
the
scenes.
I
If
you
you
know
people
say
we
haven't
seen
anything
I
mean
you
should
see
the
hours
these
guys
got
in
and
their
commitment
to
this
project.
It's
outstanding.
These
guys
are
doing
a
great
job,
but
we
are
doing
something
and
believe
me,
it's
some.
Some
stuff
is
going
to
start
happening
soon.
I
have
no.
A
Doubt
the
whole
thing
is,
I
always
like
to
see
boots
on
the
ground.
I
I
see
boots
on
the
ground.
That's
when
I
know
things
are
happening
because,
with
due
respect,
engineers
can
keep
this
thing
going
and
going
and
going
and
going
and
going
and
going
going.
I
want
my
everyday
mama
and
papa
to
see
stuff
on
the
road.
That's
what
counts.
I
C
B
H
One
thing
is
it's
a
county,
road
and
they're
going
to
set
the
speed
limit
at
the
80th
85th
percentile
speed,
and
so
it's,
which
is
a
whole
different
problem,
but
the
85th
percentile
speed
is
what's
this:
what's
the
speed
of
the
vehicle?
What's
the
85th
out
of
100
cars
at
what
speed
are
they
traveling
down
that
road,
and
then
they
select
that
speed
limit
and
that's
the
standard
for
speed
selection
in
michigan
right
now,
but.
C
C
Eyes
cross
rt's
on
that
right,
but
that's
just
my
first
question
to
you.
My
second
question
is,
I
think
you
answered
it,
but
it
kind
of
like
what
councilman
said
here.
You
know
a
lot
of
the
landlords
don't
want
to
make
this
adjustment
and
change
is
because
out
of
fear,
there's
still,
you
know
an
issue
with
the
ecourse
creek
there's
you
know
what
are
we
doing
to
insurance
people?
You
know
and
share
them
between
ellen
park
and
and
dearborn
heights
said
hey.
This
is
not
gonna.
B
Just
just
so,
we
understand
we
are
daily
on
daily
and
I'm
not
exaggerating
now
this
is
becoming
a
full-time
activity
for
us.
The
the
time
to
to
do
something
about
the
creek
challenge
I
will
say
is
is
is
now
because
we're
we're
attracting
a
lot
of
attention
and
not
just
I
mean
have
the
day
to
day
I
spot
with
semcog
and
and
the
corps
of
engineers,
basically
just
looking
at
the
challenges
that
they
all
agree
with
us.
B
We,
the
section
of
the
creek
within
dearborn
heights,
is
the
most
problematic
section,
not
upstream,
not
downstream
we're
the
most
problematic
section.
So
we're
we're
attracting
attention.
The
mayor
indicated
that
that
we
have
the
design
money
now,
so
what
we
wanted
to
do
is
be
proactive
and
he
reached
out
to
the
congresswoman
yesterday,
I
believe,
and
and
immediately
she
had
the
staff
contact
us.
So
now
we
have
a
seat
at
the
table.
You
keep
in
mind
the
the
corps
of
engineers
doesn't
report
to
us.
I
mean
the
court
of
engineer.
B
If
they
get
money,
they
do
their
thing.
They
they
don't.
You
know
we
coordinate
with
them,
but
so
and
then
and
then
the
client
to
them
is
the
county
of
wayne,
because
the
drain
commission
is
the
owner
and
and
the
operator,
if
you
will
of
a
drain,
so
we
didn't
even
have
a
seat
at
the
table.
Well
now
we
do
so
we're
taking
our
concerns,
we're
getting
our
own
data
we're
flying
the
river.
We
identified
we're
going
to
identify
locations
of
concern,
areas
of
concern
and
bring
them
over
to
the
table.
B
So
today
we
were
assured
seat
at
the
table
and-
and
we
are
not
going
to
continue
to
do-
you-
know
restudy
and
more
studies
and
do
another
study.
600
studies
are
enough,
so
we're
going
to
proceed
with
the
boots
on
the
grounds
I
call
them.
I
want
to
see
shovels
on
the
ground,
so
we're
we're
we're
headed
in
the
right
direction.
I
think
this
this
effort
now
combined
with
what
we're
doing
to
the
area
in
general-
and
this
is
it's
going
to
help
quite
a
bit
yeah.
C
That's
great
my
and
I
thank
you
for
that,
mr
deep.
My
next
question
is:
I
saw
on
some
of
the
photos
which
looked
amazing.
They
look
beautiful.
I
know
I
seen
someone
you
know
in
front
of
city
hall
when
you're
walking
in
you
would
see
what
we're
doing,
but
I
also
saw
there
were
some
flowers
on
little
bushes
who's
in
charge
of
keeping
up
with.
That
is
that
going
to
be
on
the
city,
or
is
that
going
to
be
on
the
landlord
or
would
that
be
what
the
ordinance
is
still.
H
Being
designed,
yeah
go
ahead,
it's
the
it's
it's!
These
are
requirements
for
the
land
for
the
property
owner,
and
so
that
is
because
that
is
the
one
who's
being
required
to
install
the
landscaping
and
maintain
it.
So
it's
not
going
to
be
a
unfunded
mandate
to
the
city
to
have
to
try
to
maintain
which
we've
known
in
in
other
communities,
where
we
do
a
downtown
district
and
there
isn't
any
maintenance
and
the
property
owners
are
implied
to
maintain
it
and
they
don't
so.
This
is
these
rec.
These
requirements
are
land
side
of
the
road
right-of-way.
B
Just
keep
in
mind
too,
when,
when
we
arthur
mentioned
the
infrastructure
requirements,
you
know
the
underground.
There
are
ways
I
mean
instead
of
us
picking
up
the
tab,
I
mean
we're
in
contact
now
with
dte
dte
like
to
do
they
do
their
own
master
plan.
They
want
to
sell
their
power
right,
so
they
do
their
own
master
plan,
but
you
need
to
show
them
what
you're
doing
in
order
for
them
to
accommodate
you
they're
not.
There
is
no
unlimited
anything
there's,
no
unlimited
power.
There's
no
unlimited!
B
C
C
F
G
B
E
H
Or
three
property
owners
can
do
up
improvements
on
their
property.
Without
I
mean
landscaping
like
that,
that's
basically
maintenance
work.
They
can
do
now
if
they
wanted
to
do
some
beautification
work,
there's
opportunity
for
the
city
to
also
expend
some
funds
to
do
some
improvements
at
the
intersection
say
and
there's
been
some
talk
in
the
city
of
taylor
about
that
as
well.
So
there's
opportunities,
but
it
really.
H
B
So
what
I
wanted
to
point
out,
though
I
I
mentioned
the
master
plan,
because
the
image
that
you're
trying
to
create
whether
you
want
it
to
be
a
downtown,
a
street
or
a
certain
image.
You
put
that
in
your
master
plan,
and
then
you
start
taking
stuff.
So
we
may
not
be
able
to
go
as,
as
arthur
indicated,
the
the
property
owners
are
responsible
for
landscaping
within
the
property
limit,
so
like
inside
the
parking
lots
we,
the
city,
can
do
their
part
on
on
our
side.
B
You
know
in
the
common
place
and
that's
what
we
we
will
identify
in
the
master
plan
and
then
put
a
plan
to
get
us
there.
So,
yes,
that's
our
part,
so
you
wanted
to
give
them
an
incentive.
You
they
see
the
commonplace
the
public
space
and
then
you
you
implement
the
changes
in
your
ordinance
as
they
pull
permits
and.
E
B
Fine,
no,
what
we
want
to
do
is
is
we
run
you
you,
you
basically
dictate
what
the
master
plan
output,
so
they
will
be
a
consultant,
but
we
will
put
the
parameters,
we
identify
the
scope
and
what
we
wanted
to
do.
This
will
be
in
addition
to
and
then
also
the
same
thing
is
true:
when
you
do
any
work
on
the
creek,
I
mean
what
we
wanted
to
do
on.
The
creek
will
take
that
into
account,
which
was
the
main
reason
why
we
want
to
have
a
seat
at
the
table.
B
I
I've
contacted
the
clerk's
office
and
they're
going
to
give
me
a
list
of
all
the
businesses
addresses
and
we're
doing
the
same
with
taylor
and
we're
going
to
put
out
a
newsletter
and
we're
going
to
say:
hey,
let's
plan
flowers,
if
you
want,
if
you're
going
to
make
them
red
and
white
we
haven't
decided,
but
that
we're
going
to
come
up
with
something
in
the
next
month
for
that.
But
for
right
now
all
that
stuff
is
just
voluntary.
You
know
did
they
say
I
want
to
be
part
of
this
or
the
fall.
I
A
Also,
as
the
new
businesses
start
to
open
up
and
put
on
a
nice
facade,
it's
going
to
be
the
new
thing
to
keep
up
with
the
joneses.
You
know
just
because
you're
your
business,
if
you
have
an
older
business,
that's
not
well
kept
exactly
and
I've
got.
You
know
two
three
businesses
on
this
side,
maybe
one
or
two
on
this
side
and
they've,
opened
up
and
done
a
nice
facade
to
keep
up
with
the
joneses.
A
I'm
gonna
have
to
clean
up
my
shop
to
make
sure
it
looks
nice
enough
to
to
compare
to
others
just
want
to
make
sure
mr
deep
was
there
anybody
else
I
was
presenting,
or
was
this
was
the
only
one
okay.
So
with
that
being
the
case,
I'm
gonna
go
now
as
long
as
no
other
council
members
have
any
other
comments.
I'm
gonna
go
to
public
comments.