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From YouTube: Dearborn Heights Study Session - 11/9/21
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The Dearborn Heights Study Session regarding Public Safety Commission taking place Tuesday, November 9th 2021 at Riverside Middle School.
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Well,
this
is
this
is
this
is
just
a
brief
summary
of
beginning
thoughts
on
the
public
safety
commission
and
our
intent
by
co-sponsoring
this
request
to
establish
a
public
safety
commission
was
to
do
something
good
for
the
overall
safety
and
well-being
of
the
residents
of
dearborn
heights.
Our
mission
for
this
commission.
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Our
vision
for
this
commission
largely
involves
public
relations
aspect
with
our
fire
department
police
department.
We
would
also
include
our
dpw
ordinance
and
emergency
management
departments.
Other
departments
may
be
added,
if
deemed
necessary
by
the
commission.
Some
areas
that
the
commission
could
address
can
be
city-wide
neighborhood
watch
programs.
C
We
have
several
excellent
satellite
neighborhood
watch
programs
scattered
throughout
our
city.
We
see
no
reason
why
we
should
not
have
the
entire
city
involved
in
a
neighborhood
watch
program.
We
should
be
seeking
funding
for
these
neighborhood
watch
programs.
We
should
set
a
goal
to
have
every
street
in
dearborn
heights
involved
in
the
neighborhood
watch
program
within
12
months.
The
commission
could
look
into
this
to
the
city
budgeting
for
possibly
two
neighborhood
watch
police
officers
to
help
our
residents
establish
and
maintain
top-notch
neighborhood
watch
programs.
C
The
commission
could
assist
the
fire
department
and
promoting
their
events,
including
fire
prevention
week.
Fire
prevention
week
is
a
great
awareness
program
for
our
residents.
Our
fire
department
does
a
great
job
promoting
fire
safety
week,
but
they
can't
do
it
alone.
Any
firefighter
will
tell
you
that
smoke
detectors
are
an
absolute
essential
in
every
home.
Our
fire
department
has
a
great
smoke
detector
giveaway
program.
This
program
includes
installing
smoke
detectors
if
necessary
in
our
neighbor's
homes.
C
We
know
for
a
fact
that
a
large
percentage
of
homes
in
dearborn
heights
do
not
have
properly
working
smoke
detectors.
This
potentially
could
be
a
matter
of
life
and
death.
The
commission
could
help
get
the
word
out
about
the
about
this
program.
Another
great
program
the
fire
department
has
is
the
file
of
life,
which
is
a
refrigerator
magnet
packet
containing
vital
medical
information
about
the
occupants
of
their
home.
C
The
commission
could
help
and
assist
with
the
dpw
issues
as
a
city
councilman,
a
large
number
of
the
calls
we
get
related
to
dpw
issues
which
include
trash
pickup,
tree
issues
and
street
and
sidewalk
damage
problems.
The
other
majority,
the
calls
we
receive
are
ordinance
related
tall
grass
and
especially
blight
situations,
are
major
concerns
involving
public
safety.
Both
of
these
problems
are
directly
related
to
rats
having
a
place
to
live,
which
is
definitely
a
public
safety
hazard.
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C
The
section
of
the
charter,
which
provides
for
the
establishment
of
public
safety
commission
was
written
long
ago.
We
feel
that
the
department
heads
officers
and
union
representation
have
established
general
policies
for
their
departments
that
are
functioning
well.
The
commission
has
absolutely
no
intent
on
writing
policy
for
these
departments.
The
commission
would
assist,
could
consist
of,
but
not
limited
to,
representatives
from
all
the
departments
involved,
along
with
representatives
from
our
senior
citizens
and
school
districts.
C
Also,
participants
may
be
added
who
would
be
deemed
necessary
while
forming
a
commission.
Our
main
goal
is
public
safety,
but
our
main
goal
is
public
peace
and
safety
of
persons
and
property
and
our
great
city
of
dearborn
heights.
This
commission
will
build
a
bridge
between
our
various
departments
and
the
residents.
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Now
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
we
talked
about.
C
This
is
one
of
the
definitions
that
we
came
up
with
that
we
were
considering
the
commission
still
act
as
an
advisory
capacity
for
formatting
recommendations
pertaining
to
law
enforcement,
crime
prevention
and
control
code,
enforcements,
animal
control
and
emergency
preparedness,
other
duties
and
functions
as
be
provided,
but
well.
This
is
a
this.
This
is
a
section
that
took
off
of
a
neighboring
city,
so
we're
not
going
to
deliver
we're
going
to
delete
that
section
of
the
code
there.
C
Let's
see
we'll
skip
over
to
the
commission,
shall
have
the
advisory
role
only
and
shall
have
no
authority
to
control,
supervise
or
direct
any
city
staff
or
any
law
enforcement
personnel,
and
so
the
to
the
the
duties
of
the
commission
would
be
to
advise
the
city
council
on
matters
relating
to
law
enforcement,
including,
but
not
limited
to
policing,
crime
prevention
and
emergency
services
to
represent
the
views
of
the
citizenry
related
relating
to
law
enforcement
plans.
Programs
and
future
needs
to
consult
with
professional
staff
in
the
development
of
law
enforcement
programs.
C
There's
a
couple
of
things
that
we
want
to
look
into.
Also,
if
we
get
this
commission
form
is
we'd
like
to
like
our
fire
department.
I
believe
if
the
fire
department
may
be
there
well,
maybe
the
police-
I'm
not
sure,
but
they
have
job
fairs
at
all
of
our
high
schools,
to
make
aware
of
the
employment
opportunities
with
the
city
of
dearborn
heights,
not
only
fire
and
police,
but
all
the
departments
that
we
have
that
we're
seeking
employees
crossing
guard
opportunities.
C
Very
few
people
realize
that
our
crossing
guards
are
actually
paid
for
by
the
out
of
the
budget
of
the
police
department,
and
it's
not
a
volunteer
thing.
It's
they
do
get
paid
for
it.
Not
too
many
people
realize
that
and
we
want
to
work
on
improving
student
drop-off
procedures
in
all
of
our
schools.
That's
pretty
obvious!
We
get
a
lot
of
cons.
Complaints
about
that.
A
streetlight
committee
from
the
public
service
safety
commission
disability
advocates.
C
One
of
the
things
that
I
I
really
interested
in
this
is
the
disaster
hazard
hazard
situation,
a
cooperative
program
with
all
the
public
safety
commission
departments.
In
the
event,
you
know
we
just
had
this
big
flood
and
I
think
we
did
pretty
good
just
scrambling
around
and
getting
everything
organized,
and
I
don't
think
we
do.
If
I,
if
we
do,
I
don't
know
of
a
emergency
disaster
plan
for
the
entire
city
for
with
all
the
departments
involved.
C
I'm
not
sure
if
we
do.
If
we
do,
I
don't
know,
like
I
said,
and
one
of
the
things
that
that
I
found
out.
I
did
some
research
and
there's
a
lot
of
these
cities.
Going
to
these
ring.
Doorbells
and
they've
got
a
program
where
several
people
on
the
block
ring
doorbells
they're
hooked
up
to
the
same
computer
program,
and
you
could
track
someone
from
one
end
of
the
block
to
the
other
and
these
they
have
five
or
six
of
these
ring.
Doorbells.
C
Not
one
person
go
down
that
street
without
being
caught
on
tape
on
these
doorbells
different
things
like
that
are
things
that
we'd
like
to
look
into,
and
that's
that's
what
we
come
up
with
just
you
know
just
off
that
last
couple
weeks.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions.
I
You
know
that
you
mention
all
these
different
things.
These,
like
the.
I
Neighborhood
watch
we
we
have
a
neighborhood
watch.
We
have
community
policing
how
to
set
that
up
how
to
do
that.
I
The
chili
cook-off
the
burn
camp-
all
this
that
that
those
those
programs
are
taken
care
of
now
by
our
existing
police
and
fire
department.
How
will
a
commission
of
citizens
who,
unless
they
have
training
and
background,
I
mean
the
the
community-
is
involved
with
the
chile
cook-off
with
neighborhood
policing
chief?
Who
do
we
have
that's
our
community
police
officer?
Now
it
was
tom
c
cott.
Is
it
still
tom?
Second.
J
These
the
best,
I
can
tell
you
because
yeah
it's
being
brought
to
us,
but
for
a
community
policing,
carrie
hattie's
police
officer,
she
works
with
the
golf
use
up.
She.
J
The
south
dearborn
heights
sub,
we
have
officers,
attend
those
meetings
so
everywhere
that
has
the
neighborhood
groups
she's
working
with
already
as
a
community
police
officer,
but
some
of
her
salary
is
subsidized
through
cdbg.
I
get
the
initials
wrong,
but
we
actually
get
money
every
year
to
help
subsidize
our
income.
So
we're
already
doing
that
program,
which
is
one
of
the
ones
that
I
heard
that
was
mentioned
that
wanted
to
be
created.
I
I
just
went
to
the
dinner
with
the
for
the
gulf
humane
civic
association.
She
was
there
and
the
president
laila
said
she
attends
every
meeting,
so
how?
If
at
all,
would
having
a
commission
increase
that
or
or
do
anything
more
for.
C
Well
hum,
in
your
opinion,
you
know
what
percentage
of
the
the
of
the
homes
and
dearborn
heights
are
in
the
neighborhood
watch
program:
50
75,.
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C
J
So,
however,
many
that
choose
to
be
yeah,
the
commissions
are
out
there.
Mrs
breyer
who's
going
to
be
accountable.
She
mentions
it
at
every
meeting.
Anybody
can
take
part
in
it,
they're
not
forced
to
there's
no
forced
participation.
I
C
J
I
don't
know
what
people
want
this
to
look
like,
so
I
can't
really
answer
I'm
I'm
asking
hypothetical,
so
I
can't
answer
what
you're
asking
other
than
every
time
you
create
something
new.
That's
going
to.
That
means
that
either
somebody's
going
to
be
taken
away
from
the
job
that
they're
doing
or
we're
going
to
have
to
hire
and
create
more
positions.
I
But
as
far
as
I'd
like
a
neighborhood
watch
program
to
institute
that
I
know
I
in
my
neighborhood
in
the
brookside
subdivision,
if
I
were
to
do
it,
I
would
have
to
get
some
background.
I
would
have
to
know
the
do's
and
don'ts
privacy
concerns.
That's
something
that's
best
done
by
the
police
department,
correct.
J
C
J
Of
what
you're
looking
at
he
mentioned
the
ring
doorbell
great
idea.
We
could
it's
something
that
can
be
explored,
but
somebody
has
to
watch
it
and
there's
privacy
issues
that
come
along
with
that,
because
there's
other
people
that
don't
want
to
be
watched
all
the
way
up
and
down.
So
there's
all
there's
all
types
of
on
paper.
Everything
sound
great
implementation
can
be
very
different.
We're
here
to
serve
our
citizens,
but
I
I
don't
even
have
the
things
that
were.
E
J
E
J
J
That
just
creates
another
body
that
has
to
sit
there
and
watch
those
live
streamed.
If
you
want
to
have
some
type
of
surveillance,
city-wide
surveillance,
I
don't
think
that's
what
people
particularly
may
want,
but
if
you're
talking
about
ring
doorbell
in
that
capacity,
I
would
say
that
we
would
have
some
legal
issues
that
we'd
have
to
to
grapple
with
as
well
a
little
different
than
what
we're
going
to
talk
about
later
on.
J
The
agenda,
which
is
capturing,
license
plates
a
lot
different
when
you're
capturing
in
live
streaming
to
the
police
department,
human
beings.
C
The
program
that
I
saw
it
was
each
little
neighborhood
watch
had
their
own
little.
You
know,
computer,
where
the
the
feed
went
into
it
and
in
the
event
that
there
was
an
issue
they
they
could
give
it
to
the
police
department.
It
wasn't
something
that
was
constantly
monitored
by
the
police
and
that
that's
what
that's
what
we
want
to
do
is
we
want
to
talk
about
these
things.
C
A
C
A
C
Well,
the
only
thing
I
got
off
the
internet
was
on
page
three.
I
want
you
to
know
on
page
what
page
was
it
yeah
on
page
three
where
it
says
the
duties,
and
that
was
the
top
paragraph
where
oh
I
see
it
says
you
know
where
it
says
a
section.
C
You
know,
that's
that's
their
their
ordinance,
and
that
was,
I
believe,
a
thing
was
denver
colorado,
also
not
local,
but
everything
else
was,
you
know,
came
up
with.
You
know
talking
the
commission
of
the
the
members
here
me
and
ray
and
zohair
and
just
coming
up
with
ideas.
These
are
this.
This
is
to
get
us
talking.
A
Bob
some
questions
a
council
member,
so
so
so
who
would
have
oversight?
In
other
words,
if
hypothetically
this
commission
were
approved,
who
would
have
oversight
over
who?
Would
it
be?
The
the
commission
have
an
oversight
over
the
fire
and
the
police
department
or
would
the
who
would
be
the
authoritative
figure
to
make
a
final
decision
we're
not
talking
about
how
to
make
a
run,
but
just
the
specifics
of
whatever
it
is.
The
particular
commission
would
recommend
council.
E
Okay,
the
policy
is
left
to
the
police,
the
fire
department,
whatever
department,
okay
and
and
even
our
our
city
charter
says
each
department
is
outlined
in
this
section
shall
be
administered
by
a
commission
consisting
of
not
less
than
three
members.
Their
primary
function
shall
be
state
the
formulating
policy
and
program
to
carry
out
a
formulated
policy.
We
don't
the
the
the
the
commission
will
not
be
telling
anybody
what
to
do.
This
is
just
an
outreach
to
the
public.
Just
like
any
other
commission
does.
Okay,
we
have.
E
F
A
But
the
concern
that
I've
got
is
you've
got
something
in
that
that's
working,
I
mean
you
know.
The
fire
and
the
police
department
have
had
their
little
issues
here
and
there,
just
like
my
business,
had
issues
here
and
there
and
every
department's
got
issues
here
and
there.
But
overall
it's
a
pretty
fine-tuned
machine
and
I
just
don't
see
how
adding
something
into
the
puzzle.
A
I
I
don't
see
how
that's
gonna
potentially
make
it
better,
but
with
that
being
the
case,
I
also
know
that
councilman
zahara
black
had
mentioned
that
he's
got
something
that
he
had.
He
has
to
say.
This
is
good.
A
I
H
You
said
dave
that,
if
something
is
good
working
do
not
fix
it
now
was
there
a
problem
with
all
those
department
we
created
commissions
for,
and
we
came
in,
we
approved
tens
of
commissions
to
fix
those
problems,
or
it's
only
this
touchy
subject,
which
is
related
to
the
police
and
fire.
H
H
H
No
one
objected
seven
to
zero.
We
voted
on
everyone
why
this
one,
I'm
not
afraid
of
police
on
fire
or
to
raise
my
voice
and
say
what
I
feel
and
what
I
want
to
do.
I
never
meant
to
go
and
step
on
their
toes.
All
I
want
is
to
have
more
participation
from
our
resident
in
lots
of
things
which
are
related
to
the
police
and
fire
in
every
department,
not
just
police.
On
fire.
H
A
A
What
would
formulating
policy
because
I'll
tell
you
right
now
I'll
tell
you
my
definition,
what
formulating
policy
would
be
and-
and
I'm
going
to
tell
you
respectfully-
I
have
a
problem
with
me-
even
myself-
who's
pretty
involved
with
community
formulating
policy
for
police
or
fire
department.
A
I
can't
see
how
I
could
tell
these
guys
any
type
of
policy.
In
my
opinion,.
E
F
H
H
A
It
but
then,
but
then,
if
we're
going
to
follow
the
charter
by
saying
that
we
want
5e
in
there
and
and
and
bluntly
counselor
gary
miyatki
reading,
I
mean
it
does
sound
like
yeah.
We
have
to
have
one
quite
honestly,
just
from
my
my
little
contract
reading
knowledge,
but
it
does,
but
if
we're
gonna
follow
it
based
on
that,
then
we
got
to
follow.
What's
in
that
particular
chart
of
the
specific
word
of
saying,
formulating
policy
and
right
now,
councilman,
you
mentioned
we're
not
going
to
be
formulating
policy.
A
H
H
That's
why
I
want
to
review
the
charter-
and
this
is
one
of
my
main
goals
being
on
the
city
council-
is
to
review
that
charter
and
we
will
follow
every
legal
step
from
act
78
from
any
state
law,
any
internal
policies
they
have,
which
they
feel
that
we
might
be
stepping
on
their
authorities.
We
will
not
do
it.
I
I
don't
want
to
be
on
the
commission
by
the
way,
so
nobody
think
that
I'm
doing
this
so
because
I
want
to
be
on
the
commission.
No,
I
just
want
more
people
to
be
involved.
H
There
is
a
huge
diversity
change
in
the
city.
Let
people
get
involved
from
every
color
every
race,
every
region
to
help
the
police.
So
we
understand
each
other,
that's
what
we
need
to
do.
We
need
to
understand
each
other.
We
need
to
help
each
other.
There
is
lots
of
problem
in
the
city
and
nobody
can
tell
me
that
we
don't
have
a
problems
in
the
city.
H
It's
enough
for
me,
the
speeders
who
are
on
the
streets
I
need
to
when
we
have
a
business,
and
I'm
going
to
say
it
bluntly
when
we
have
a
business
which
have
drive
it
through,
which
endanger
the
life
of
the
people
and
the
police
cannot
do
anything
about
it,
because
the
planning
commission,
the
city
council,
approved
the
plans,
and
that
is
a
big
example
starbucks,
I'm
going
to
call
it
flat
out.
A
person
died
there.
H
H
A
Just
for
clarification,
the
person
god
rest,
her
soul,
that
passed
away
at
bordeaux
was
not
due
to
starbucks,
or
it
just
happened
to
be
within
it.
That
blocked.
A
H
I
Councilman
bob
thank
you,
and
I
think
it
would
be
a
good
idea
for
us
to
have
a
commission
citizen
input
is
always
good,
but
our
charter
has
a
lot
of
provisions
that
were
put
in
the
charter.
When
the
city
first
began,
constables
municipal
judges,
electing
of
a
court
officer
for
the
city,
the
issue
becomes
there,
there
are
lawsuits.
I
I
You
know
what
the
role
the
commission
will
be,
and
especially
when
I
hear
about
like
the
speeders
or
nobody
likes
the
speeders,
nobody
everybody's,
I
sit
in
my
office
when
we
used
to
have
the
meetings
via
zoom
and
and
people
could
hear
the
roar
of
the
traffic,
and
I
sometimes
couldn't
hear
because
people
driving
around
with
no
mufflers,
but
these
are
all
laudable
goals.
I
I
don't
know
how
having
this
commission
will
help
stop
the
speeding
in
our
neighborhoods
possibly
have
somebody
going
out
to
the
high
schools
talking
to
the
high
schoolers
about
traffic
safety
chief
myers.
What
do
we
have
now?
As
far
as
enforcement
for
to
catch
speeders?
Are
we
writing
tickets
and
so
forth?.
A
If
you
don't
mind,
I
want
you
to
answer
them
chief,
if
you
don't
mind,
but
let's
keep
a
brief
answer,
because
I
don't
want
to
now
we're
going
off
subject.
I
don't
want
to
switch
this
thing
to
become
about
speeding
in
the
city.
That's
definitely
a
problem,
but
that's
for
a
whole
nother
meeting
so
go
ahead.
Chief
at
least
a
short
answer.
J
J
They
all
come
with
additional
cars,
our
traffic's
heavier
than
it's
ever
been
we're
facing
in
with
our
neighboring
communities,
where
we
participated
in
operation
bryson
with
the
city
of
detroit,
because
we
know
that
crime's
transient
on
the
major
throwaways
to
try
to
crack
down
on
these,
because
if
we
can
crack
down
on
speeding
and
the
stolen
cars
and
the
drag
racing,
it
can
also
translate
into
lower
crime
rates.
J
In
your
city,
we
increased
patrols
in
the
summer
time
from
a
memorial
day
to
labor
day,
because
we
know
that
summer
in
the
heat
brings
out
more
people.
At
night
we
dealt
with
it
during
our
ramadan
festival
at
night
to
make
sure
people
are
safe.
We
have
to
change
that
manpower
in
the
in
the
school
year,
because
now
we
have
high
school
football
games.
We
have
basketball
games
starting
prom.
J
We
have
to
reallocate
our
manpower
based
on
our
current
staffing
model
and
what
we're
allowed
to
and
what
our
taxpayers
are
willing
to
pay
to
have
police
officers
out
on
the
street
and
we're
maximizing
our
efficiency.
So
you
ask
me
about
the
violations
we're
probably
close
to
ten
thousand
violations.
J
If
not
sixteen
thousand,
I
get
two
numbers,
I
don't
know
if
it's
actual
contacts
or
if
it's
violation
issues,
I
can
write
violation
after
violation
if
people
are
willing
to
play
their
tickets,
if
they're
willing
to
drive
on
suspended
license
if
they're
willing
to
get
their
vehicles
out
of
impound
they'll
come
back
out
and
continue
to
do
it.
Our
officers
are
out
there
diligently
we're
trying
to
prevent
the
crashes,
so
the
firemen
don't
have
to
come
out
every
one
of
these
have
models
we'll
speak
at
commissions
we
go
to.
J
If
we
do
facebook-
and
I'm
sorry
council
chair
I'm
talking
for
a
few
minutes,
we
had
a
traffic
issue
by
city
hall.
We
did
a
facebook
post
with
the
school
to
try
to
get
their
drivers
around
the
school,
their
parents
to
cooperate
with
the
safety,
we're
thinking
outside
the
box,
working
with
the
school
districts
working
with
the
businesses
trying
to
come
up
with
solutions,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
can
write
violations
and
hope
people
will
comply,
but
right
now
metro
wide
people
aren't
complying
with
traffic.
J
A
Could
actually
solve
this,
I'm
gonna,
let
councilman
ray
muskets
speak
and
I'm
gonna
give
both
of
you
chiefs,
if
you
don't
mind
whether
you're
pro
or
con
for
this
commission,
if
you
don't
mind
if
you
can
prepare
something
in
your
heads,
maybe
two
minute
each
as
far
as
how
you
feel
about
this
potential
vote
on
this.
E
F
E
Then
the
order
in
the
ordinances
would
you
know
our
council,
our
our
corporation
council
would
write
the
ordinance
and
in
that
ordinance
can
be
specified
exactly
what
the
commission
can
and
can't
do.
So
that
would
be
something
that
we
could
look
into,
or
or
look
forward
to
that.
You
know
we
make
sure
that
the
police
are
involved
and
the
fire
is
involved
in
deep
all
the
department
heads
involved
in
what
they
would
like
to
see
themselves.
E
Okay,
this
is
the
this.
Is
the
thing
about
working
together.
This
is
just
not
you
know,
two
or
three
members
of
city
council
say
how
you'd
like
to
have
this
and
then
go
ahead
and
vote
on
and
say:
yes,
okay,
we
got
it
okay.
This
is
something
that's
concerning
all
the
department
heads
their
inputs.
Okay
and
then
you
know
it
it.
Just
because
council
approves
this
commission
and
we
can't
get
it
all
together
in
the
wording
that
corporation
council
deems
it
be
proper.
E
A
A
If
you
don't
mind,
I
want
gary.
If
you
can
give
me
just
a
minute
of
your
time.
Let
me
have
councilman
tom
once
I'll
go
and
I'll
have
the
chiefs
go,
but
council
gary
miyati?
If
you
don't
mind
the
claws
in
there
and
you're
obviously
way
more
advanced
than
I
am.
I
mean
it
does
say
from
what
I'm
reading
and
for
my
contract
reading
experience
in
my
business
I
mean
it
doesn't
say
you
pretty
much
have
to
have
one.
B
I
feel
here's
the
interesting
thing:
councilman
abduhak
spoke
about
section,
515
e
and
that
does
mandate
having
these
commissions
notice.
We've
never
had
them.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
haven't
known
of
a
single
one
of
these
commissions
existing
and
all
the
time
that
I've
been
doing
any
legal
work
for
the
city.
I
don't
think
I've
heard
anyone
even
mention
them
and
a
lot
of
times.
B
It's
because
commissions,
when
you
create
them,
you
have
to
end
up
having
people
on
them
and
if
you're
not
going
to
get
enough
interest,
then
you're
just
going
to
have
commissions
that
don't
do
anything
and
then
or
they're
just
going
to
fall
apart,
because
they're
they're
they're
inadequate
for
the
purpose.
So
I'm
not
saying
that
the
charter
does
not
mandate
them
with
respect
to
each
of
the
departments.
B
What
I'm
saying
is,
I
think,
as
a
practical
matter,
that's
why
these
things
haven't
taken
place
and
all
the
administrations
that
I've
been
involved
in
going
back
to
mayor
van
houten.
So
that's
section
515.
If
you
look
at
section
5.9,
there
is
not
actually
a
mandate
section
5.9
a
says.
The
council
shall
be
authorized
to
establish
by
ordinance
a
public
safety
commission
which
shall
provide
for
the
public
peace
and
safety
of
persons
and
property
in
the
city
when
it
says
that
the
council
is
authorized.
G
B
Is
it
has
the
discretion
to
establish,
but
is
not
required
to
so
this
commission
is
not
required,
even
if
there
are
other
commissions
that
could
be
required.
On
the
other
hand,
there's
no
requirement
to
end
up
having
a
community
and
cultural
relations.
Commission
there's
no
requirement
to
have
a
commission
on
aging.
These
are
all
commissions
that
can
be
created
by
acts
of
the
city
council
and
by
way
of
ordinance,
so
are.
A
You
stating
that
529
over
overrides
five
5.15
e,
I'm
sorry
you're,
saying
5-29
overrides
the
section
e
that
we
have
on
the
line.
No.
B
I
would
say
if
you
were
to
construe
the
two
sections
together,
that
the
only
the
most
reasonable
way
to
interpret
these
is
that
a
public
safety
commission
is
authorized
but
not
required,
but
the
departmental
commissions
are
mandated
and
notice
that
a
departmental
commission
would
mean
one
for
police
one
for
fire,
one
for
dpw,
one
for
each
of
the
individual
departments.
B
So,
in
terms
of
I
don't
see
them
as
being
in
conflict
and
to
the
degree
that
one
might
consider
them
to
be
in
conflict.
I
would
say
that,
because
5.9
is
more
specific
in
terms
of
the
public
safety
commission
that
to
the
degree
it
has
to
do
with
the
public
safety
commission
5.9
a
would
trump
5.15
e
because
it
specifically
has
to
do
with
the
public
safety
commission.
Even
though
again,
in
my
view,
5.15
e
has
to
do
with
departmental
commissions.
B
5.9
has
to
do
with
a
public
safety
commission
that
pertains
to,
and
let's
make
sure
that
we
talk
about
it
b,
says
this
commission
shall
establish
and
administer
the
general
policies
of
the
police
and
firefighting
functions
of
the
city.
In
other
words,
it
involves
two
different
departments
within
city
government,
but
it
does
not
have
to
exist
unless
well,
it
does
not
have
to
exist
under
the
charter,
but
it
may
exist,
and
the
council
has
the
authority
to
pass
an
ordinance
for
that
purpose.
Okay,
thank.
A
You
counselor
councilman
tom
once
a
few.
C
Things
is
we.
We
got
to
get
past
this
and
look
at
the
overall
picture.
This
is
not
only
a
fire
and
police
issue.
This
is
a
public
safety
in
all
aspects.
C
Sidewalks
street
lights,
the
streetlight
situation
in
dearborn
heights.
We
have
a
program
where
it's
reported,
it's
put
into
a
program
to
dte
and
then
no
one
ever
checks
to
see
if
the
street
lights
are
ever
fixed.
That's
a
fact,
so
that's
something!
This
commission
chief
myers
stated
all
kinds
of
things
that
the
police
department
is
doing
now.
That's
what
this
commission
could
relate
this
to
the
public.
I
never
knew
half
of
them
think
more
than
half
of
them
things
he
was
saying.
I
didn't
know
they
were
doing
that.
C
C
C
Not
one
of
the
police
officers
said.
Yes,
we
do
and
it's
this
time
a
lot
of
them
say
I
think
we
do
I'm
not
sure
what
time
I
think
it
might
be
10
or
11..
A
couple
of
them
said
I
didn't.
I
don't
even
think
I
don't
know
if
we
have
a
curfew
or
not
that's
just
something
that
you
know
it's
it's
general
now.
If
people
see
kids
walk
around
the
streets,
so
they
call.
Is
there
a
curfew?
You
know
we.
C
And
the
disaster
preparedness-
I
don't
know,
mr,
do
we
have
a
entire
department
city-wide
disaster
program.
I
hope
we
do.
I
hope
that
I
just
don't
know
about
it,
but
in
the
event
of
a
flood,
it
should
be
hey,
open
up
the
book.
Here's
the
first
thing
we
do.
C
You
know
we
should
have
a
program
for
the
floods,
man-made
disasters
or
or
natural
disasters,
and
the
the
order
that
the
councilman
o'hare
was
reading,
that
the
formulating
the
commission
shall
formulate
a
policy
for
programming
the
the
the
policy
that
we
form
it
could
say.
Each
department
has
their
opportunity
to
make
their
own
policy
in
general
operation.
That
could
be
our
way
of
getting
out
of
that
part
of
it.
That
could
be
our
policy
that
we're
issuing
okay.
A
Thank
you
councilman,
but
I
don't
want
to
say.
C
C
The
charities
that
they're
involved
with
are
awesome
and
they
do
promote
it.
But
I'll
ask
any
any
person
in
this
room.
How
much
spare
time
do
you
have
and
everybody
will
say
I
don't
have
any
spare
time
well.
Thank
you
because
that's
what
this
commission
can
help
you
with.
If
you
have
something
you
want
to
get
out
to
the
public,
go
to
the
commission
say
hey!
This
is
something
I
want
out
there.
I
want
known
by
the
whole
community
of
dearborn
heights
council.
F
A
Thank
you
so
coming
up
just
just
give
me
one.
Second,
I'm
going
to
allow
you
if
you
don't.
My
everybody's
got
to
be
brief,
because
we're
almost
out
of
time
so
councilman.
If
you
don't
mind,
if
you
can
be
brief
and
I'm
allowed
to
cheese
to
speak
and
then
the
mayor.
H
H
B
One
that
comes
to
mind
is
the
the
commission,
the
youth
commission.
H
H
H
While
you
have
people
who
are
willing
to
work
with
hand
by
hand
with
the
police
and
fire
to
come
up
with
more
probably
visionary
ideas
improve
things
in
the
city,
and
I
don't
see
when
we
have
that
beat
commissions
doing
nothing
still
there
and
we
have
people
who
are
willing
to
do
things.
We
are
not
encouraging
and
we
are
opposing,
and
I
rest
my
case.
Thank
you.
Councilman.
A
So
the
two
chiefs,
if
you
don't
mind,
maybe
three
minutes
each
two,
three
minutes
each.
Your
opinion
in
regards
to
this
commission
and
you'll
have
an
open
field
say
whatever
you
need
to
say,
and
I
will
have
our
mayor
speak
next.
K
Okay,
sure
I
could
tell
you
well
good
good
evening.
Council
gave
you
mayor.
My
initial
concerns
was
what
you
exactly
said:
the
line
in
there
about
formulating
policy.
That's
that's
why
there
was
those
some
resistance
from
from
me
in
particular,
and
I'm
sure
chief
myers
feels
the
same
way.
K
We
can't
have
untrained
people
writing
policies
for
the
fire
department.
You
know
the
the
safety
of
the
public
and
the
safety
of
the
firefighters
is
our
number
one
priority,
and
that
would
work
against
that
they
just
that,
wouldn't
be
something
that
would
be
understood,
and
so
this
is
also
the
first
time
I've
seen
this
so
just
trying
to
to
look
through
it.
There
are
a
couple
of
areas
of
concern.
K
I
have
like
on
page
three,
the
first
bullet
point:
okay
to
advise
city
council
on
matters
relating
to
law
enforcement,
including,
but
not
limited
to
police
and
emergency
services.
K
H
K
And
and
then
there's,
I'm
kind
of
on
the
same
vein
to
work
with
citizens,
elected
and
appointed
officials.
Again,
I'm
I'm
not
opposed,
but
but
to
have
a
third
party
now
giving
the
the
views
of
the
fire
department
I'm
uncomfortable
with
that
like
like.
K
A
A
K
Just
to
wrap
up
I'm
trying
to
to
find
what
would
be
best
to
to
meet
the
goals
that
you
guys
are,
after
maybe
establishing
like
some
focus
groups
where
we
can
go
meet
with
the
focus
groups
and
get
some
feedback
but
having
the
ultimate
decision
making
and
coming
from
from
the
fire
department.
I
mean
around
fire
department
matters
to
come
from
the
fire
department.
I
guess
that's
that's
my
concern
in
my
in
my
issues.
H
That
is
exactly
why
we
want
police
and
fire
to
participate
in
this
commission,
because
we
want
to
hear
from
you
how
we
can
help
you,
how
we
can
do
things
to
make
your
job
easier,
the
things
to
probably
some
things
we
can
do
or
the
residents
can
do.
Instead,
you
spend
money
and
time
in
manpower,
let
residents
who
are
willing
to
do
these
things.
Do
it?
Okay,.
A
Thank
you,
councilman
chief
police
chief
myers.
Please.
J
J
I
did
get
you
know
this
today
and
we
want
to
work
with
the
citizens.
Come
up
with
solutions
like
the
ring
doorbell
that
you
brought
it's
a
great
idea,
but
it's
not
always
practical
so
to
come
here
and
say
we're
going
to
implement
all
these
things.
It'd
be
great.
If
we
could
talk
about
it,
but
it
doesn't
mean
we
can
do
these
things.
So
it
is
a
good
thing
to
have
a
commission
for
that.
J
But
if
you
start
talking
about
the
actual
wording
that
mr
miyaki
said
where
it
said,
police
and
fire
policy
and
functions
that
can't
happen,
it
can't
happen
for
many
reasons
for
accreditation
purposes,
for
licensing
purposes,
for
criminal
and
civil
action
purposes.
So
that
was
our
concerns.
It's
not
working
with
citizens,
it's
understanding,
and
there
were
some
things
said
at
the
last
meeting
of
just
make
the
commission
and
we'll
decide
what
it
does
afterwards.
J
J
We
need
to
actually
have
this
conversation,
but
we
need
the
cart
to
go
behind
the
horse,
so
we
can
figure
out.
What's
going
on
not
first
the
police
department
and
fireman
department
are
always
willing
to
do
it.
We
can't
always
make
those
things
happen,
though,
for
various
reasons,
and
that's
where,
if
we
butt
heads
with
a
commission,
it
has
to
be
an
open
dialogue,
because
there's
going
to
be
things
that
are
wanted,
that
can't
happen
for
either
legal
reasons,
contractual
reasons,
philosophical
reasons
whatever.
F
Thank
you,
council,
chair,
so
listening
to
everyone
speak,
it
sounds
like
you
guys
like
really
requesting
something
like
a
community
liaison
commission.
You
know
with
all
the
departments
that
you
mentioned
with
dpw,
building
ordinance
police
fire.
I
mean
it
does,
doesn't
sound
like
a
civil.
F
There
is
a
lot
of
commissions,
actually
this
funny
that
you
guys
brought
that
up
today
is
because
we
actually
had
a
discussion
about
it
today,
with
my
chief
of
staff,
going
through
all
the
commissions,
and
some
of
them
haven't
been
updated
since
2012
2013.,
and
so
some
of
the
people
on
there.
I
don't
even
know
who
they
are.
So
this
is
something
that
we're
looking
at
we're
going
to
evaluate
these
commissions
to
see.
F
If
we
really
need
those
particular
commissions,
because
I
mean
since
I've
been
appointed
since
january,
I
haven't
heard
or
talked
to
anybody
other
than
you
know
very
few
I
mentioned
we
have
one
over
here.
You
know
something
that
is
really
active
with
the
city.
That
does
a
lot
with
the
city,
but
there's
like
two
three
that
I'm
aware
of
that
are
very
active
commissions,
but
every
everyone
else.
F
You
know,
I
just
don't
want
something
to
be
somebody's,
really
excited
about
bringing
something
on
board,
then
all
of
a
sudden,
then
you
know
it
just
lags
behind
or
somebody
doesn't
want
to
be
part
of
it
and
it's
just
something
that
we
wasted
money,
creating
a
bunch
of
ordinances
documents
for
that
particular
commission.
F
H
C
That's
exactly
right,
I
just
I'd
like
everyone
to
just
you
know,
get
it
out
of
their
head,
that
this
is
a
commission
to
tell
the
fire
and
police
what
to
do
it's.
It's
definitely
not
that,
and
it's
like
everyone
is
prepared
to
talk
about
that
and
it's
the
least
thing.
There's
not
one
thing
in
this
four
pages
that
says
it's
going
to
tell
what
the
police
are
fired
to
do.
Everybody's
looking
beyond
the
chief,
the
fire
police
chief
myers,
mentioned
the
doorbell.
C
That's
the
only
thing
that
anyone
mentioned
good
about
this
out
of
all
the
good
things
that
are
written
in
these
four
pages,
and
I
mean
it's
just
hey,
you
know
what
we
don't
care
about.
This
don't
tell
us
what
to
do,
and
you
got
to
look
beyond
that.
I
you
know
I
I
want
to.
I
want
to
get
our.
I
want
to
get
our
police
and
fire
department
up
to
where
the
pay
is
higher,
that
new
hires
get
health
benefits.
Not
too
many
people
know.
C
A
J
J
J
For
the
people
that
are
just
joining
us,
the
fire
chief
and
the
police
chief
were
just
provided
these
when
the
meeting
started.
So
we
had
nothing
to
base
this
on.
So
that
was
not
a
fair
statement
from
the
councilman,
and
I
apologize
that
I
have
to
call
you
out
on
that,
sir,
but
this
is
the
first
time
we're
seeing
any
of
these
suggestions
from
you.
That's.
C
A
Thank
you,
councilman.
Okay,
at
this
particular
point,
the
study
session
for
public
safety
commission
is
over
we're
gonna,
take
a
five
minute
break
and
then
start
the
regular
council
meeting.
Thank
you,
okay
for
those
that
are
in
the
audience
before
we
start
our
meeting
during
our
last
council
study
session,
I'm
allowed
for
public
comments
just
in
case
anyone
had
any
type
of
public
comments
in
regards
to
the
public
safety
commission,
which
we
had
a
study
session
on
so
for
those
that
have
public
comments,
we'll
allow
for
two
minutes
each.
D
Got
it
thanks,
hi,
rachel
lapointe
dearborn
heights-
am
I
supposed
the
address
whatever
it
is.
City
is
good
enough.
I
think
just
wanted
to
point
out.
The
word
formulate
has
a
definition
of
creating
or
writing
something
it
does,
but
all
it
means
is.
D
You
could
write
a
policy
on
this
commission,
but
it
doesn't
mean
it
has
to
be
enacted
by
anybody
whatever
department.
It
is
so,
if
you're
just
making
suggestions
in
that
advisory
capacity
of
policies
that
a
department
any
department
could
take
on
that
would
be
formulating
policy
also
as
a
resident.
It
just
kind
of
feels
like
there's
just
a
lot
of
arguing
against
public
safety
at
this
point
like
that
seems
like
something
we
can
kind
of
all
unify
on
that
public
safety
is
important.
D
There's
a
lot
of
issues
going
on
with
it
with
you
know
the
speeding
and
everything
it's
beyond
just
police
and
fire.
So
why
not
have
a
dedicated
group-
that's
going
to
say,
hey
we're
here
to
be
that
that
extra
advisory
board
for
that?
So
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
good
things
that
could
be
done
by
this
commission,
especially
working
with
some
of
the
other
groups
that
are
active.
D
A
You
rachel
and
thank
you
for
your
continued
activism.
Thank
you.
Anybody
else
with
public
comments
in
regards
to
the
public
safety
commission,
which
we
spoke
about
in
the
last
hour,
and
I
see,
is
tom
going
here.
He
is
here.
We
go
okay,
if
you,
if
you
could
do
me
a
favor,
though
councilman,
if
you
could
announce
yourself
if
you
are
speaking
as
a
resident
or
as
a
councilman,
please.
C
Yes,
no
well,
which
one
I
know
it's
good
resident
tom
wenzel
tulane
street
deborah
heights.
Councilman
tom
winslow,
made
a
couple
statements
at
the
public
hearing
that.
G
C
Not
accurate
and
I'm
not
clear
the
air
councilman
winsl
that
the
new
hiring
police
they
do,
have
health
care
and
there's
another
issue
with
health
care
that
I'm
not
going
to
even
say
anything
because
I
don't
know
the
rules,
but
the
all
full-time
employees
in
the
city
of
dearborn
heights
are
covered
by
health
care,
and
I
want
to
apologize
to
the
police
department
for
making
a
statement
about
the
police
officers
not
being
aware
of
a
curfew
or
the
time
of
curfew.
B
Go
ahead
make
one
quick
comment.
I
would
note
that
section
5.9
of
the
charter
subsection
b,
says
this
commission
shall
establish
and
administer
the
general
policies
of
the
police
and
fire
fighting
functions
of
the
city,
so
be
more
than
formulate.
As
far
as
that
goes.
However,
that
doesn't
mean
that
you
would
not,
as
a
body,
be
able
to
adopt
an
ordinance
for
an
advisory
group
that
may
suggest
policies,
but
if
you're
going
to
base
it
on
section
5.9
of
the
charter,
it's
actually
establish
and
administer
the
general
policy.
B
A
G
G
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
would
also
support
the
creation
of
the
public
safety
commission
and
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
all
of
these
commissions
follow
the
opens
meetings
act.
So
even
if
you
were
not
appointed-
and
maybe
you
didn't-
live
in
dearborn
heights,
but
you
were
said
officers
with
this
concern,
anyone
would
be
able
to
attend
all
of
those
meetings
and
speak
at
public
comment
about
anything
that
they
had
on
their
agendas
or
that
they
brought
up.
I
personally
like
to
see
organization.
G
I
do
see
the
neighborhood
watch
signs.
I've
seen
them
since
I've
moved
here,
but
I've
never
seen
them
do
anything.
I've
never
seen
them
like
post.
Anything
in
my
mailbox
saying:
hey
we're
having
a
neighborhood
watch
meeting.
We
need
more
people
or
we're
going
to
be
out
here
on
halloween
riding
around
you
know
helping
patrol
the
neighborhood.
G
Those
are
like
some
of
the
initiatives
that
I
think
a
commission
like
this
would
be
able
to
do.
I'm
not
sure
who,
at
least
on
the
south
end
a
couple
people
that
I
text
and
just
being
as
active
as
I
am
on
the
south
end.
I've
never
actually
seen
them
meet
or
organize
anything
in
my
neighborhood,
and
that
would
be
in
the
vanborn
telegraph
area.
G
A
Thank
you
leslie
there.
There
is
by
the
way
a
gentleman
in
south
heights.
Nancy
pryor,
probably
know
his
name,
I'm
blanking
on
his
name,
but
the
gentleman
does
a
great
job
on
a
regular
was
the
name.
F
A
Zack
yeah
on
a
regular
basis,
monitors
this
city,
so
god
bless
him.
Any
other
public
comments.