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From YouTube: Dearborn Heights Study Session: 6/15/21
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The Dearborn Heights Study Session regarding the Charter Review taking place Tuesday, June 15th 2021 via Zoom.
A
Good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
today
is
tuesday
june
15
2021.
Today
we
have
a
charter
review
study
session.
I
will
begin
by
having
corporate
council
miaki
start
it
for
us.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
council,
chair.
Basically,
what
I've
prepared
are
some
comments
with
respect
to
kind
of
an
overview
of
the
process,
and
then
perhaps
we
can
get
into
some
more
specific
issues.
B
I
think
everyone
knows
in
general
that
the
city
charter
is
like
the
constitution
of
the
city.
However,
unlike
most
organic
laws
of,
say
the
state
or
the
federal
government,
the
city's
charter
is
actually
subject
to
the
general
laws
of
the
state
of
michigan,
which
means
it
makes
a
lot
of
a
difference.
B
What
we're
already
required
to
do
under
michigan
law,
and
there
are
some
things
that
are
in
our
charter-
that
we
clearly
don't
follow.
But
that's
because
state
law
has
superseded
those
things.
So,
for
example,
we
have
a
residency
requirement
at
section
4.16
of
the
charter,
but
michigan
compiled
law
15.602
essentially
eliminates
that
residency
requirement
for
public
employees
to
a
very
significant
degree.
B
Similarly,
we
have
a
compensation
provision
for
elected
officials,
for
example.
The
mayor
is
only
supposed
to
be
paid
17
500
per
year,
however,
because
of
the
local
officers,
compensation,
commission
statute
and
the
fact
that
the
city,
by
virtue
of
a
an
ordinance
provision,
opted
in
that
charter
provision,
5.2
no
longer
applies.
B
Similarly,
we
have
act
345,
but
I
think
one
of
the
for
the
police
and
fire
pensions
and
but
I
think,
one
of
the
other
things
that
needs
to
be
kept
in
mind-
and
this
is
very
unusual
for
most
people
to
get
a
a
handle
on,
because
we
think
of
our
charter
as
a
constitution.
B
We
also
have
the
idea
that
there
is
the
public
employment
relations
act,
also
known
as
pera,
and
sometimes
people
will
say
well
pera
prevails.
What
does
that
mean?
It
means
that
there
is
a
state
law
known
as
the
public
employment
relations
act,
I'll
just
call
it
para,
and
that
is
considered
to
be
the
preeminent
law
in
the
state
of
michigan
having
to
do
with
employee
relations.
B
You
know
something
that
would
be
approved
by
the
city
council
on
a
motion,
namely
a
collective
bargaining
agreement,
but
it
can
basically
end
up
being
more
important
than
the
city
charter
provisions
that
are
contrary
to
it.
So
those
are
some
big
issues,
and
so
then
we
get
into
well.
Let's
say
we
don't
have
something
that
falls
into
those
areas.
B
B
So
I'm
just
going
to
end
up
reading
here,
because
I
think
that's
the
best
way
to
end
up
putting
it
revision
amendment,
and
this
is
basically
what
the
michigan
supreme
court
said
a
long
time
ago,
and
it's
been
the
law.
So
revision
and
amendment
have
the
common
characteristics
of
working
changes
in
a
city
charter
and
are
sometimes
used
in
exactly,
but
there
is
an
essential
difference
between
them.
B
Revision
implies
a
re-examination
of
the
whole
law
and
a
re-draft
without
obligation
to
maintain
the
form
scheme
or
structure
of
the
old
as
applied
to
fundamental
law
such
as
a
constitution
or
charter.
It
suggests
a
convention
to
examine
the
whole
subject
and
to
prepare
and
submit
a
new
instrument.
Whether
desire
changes
from
the
old,
the
few
or
many
amendment
implies
continuance
of
the
general
plan
and
purport
of
the
law,
with
corrections
to
better
accomplish
its
purpose.
Basically,
revision
suggests
fundamental
change.
B
While
amendment
is
a
correction
of
detail
all
right,
so,
for
example,
the
courts
have
held
that
to
end
up
doing
certain
things
requires
a
revision
and
some
things
can
be
done
by
amendment.
So
a
proposal
in
a
petition
for
amendment
of
a
city
chartered
to
abolish
the
office
of
city
manager,
invest
the
city
manager's
powers
into
the
make
them
duties
of
the
city.
Commission
has
been
held
to
be
a
proposal
for
revision
of
the
charter
and
can
only
take
place
by
virtue
of
a
charter
revision.
B
Similarly,
there's
case
law
that
says
that
if
you
are
going
to
make
a
city
manager
subject
to
recall,
as
opposed
to
only
being
able
to
be
removed
by
the
city,
commission
or
the
city
council,
that
is
also
a
fundamental
change
that
require
a
revision.
B
Some
examples
of
things
that
can
be
done
by
amendment,
however,
are
increasing
or
decreasing
number
of
council
members
changing
the
clerk
or
the
treasurer
from
an
elected
official
to
an
appointed
official
setting
bid
dollar
amounts,
namely
the
thresholds
for
having
to
do
competitive
bidding
and
establishing
pension
plans.
B
So
what
you
want
to
do
makes
a
big
difference
in
terms
of
how
to
proceed,
and
if
you
do
it
by
virtue
of,
if
you
want
to
do
something,
that's
going
to
require
a
charter
revision,
then
a
revision
of
city
charters
may
be
initiated
by
a
resolution
adopted
by
three-fifths
of
the
legislative
body
or
by
a
petition
signed
by
at
least
five
percent
of
the
registered
voters,
unless
the
president
charter
provides
otherwise.
In
any
case,
the
decision
to
revise
is
for
the
electors
to
approve
or
reject.
B
So
that's
important.
If
you
sat
there
and
said
look,
we
need
to
do
a
revision,
because
we
want
to
go
to
a
council
manager
form
of
government.
Ultimately,
this
body
would
not
be
able
to
do
that.
This
body
would
not
even
be
able
to
say
that's
what
we're
going
to
do,
even
if
they
said,
even
if
you
said
well,
we
want
to
end
up
adopting
a
resolution
for
them
to
do
a
revision,
because
what
ends
up
happening
is
first
of
all,
the
voters
have
to
agree
to
it
and
then
the
voters.
B
Voters
also
select
a
nine-member
charter
commission
to
revise
the
charter,
which
they
don't
revise
it.
They
come
up
with
a
document
that
ends
up
having
to
be
approved
by
the
voters,
but
none
of
the
members
of
the
city
charter
revision
commission
can
be
elected
or
appointed
city
officers
or
employees.
B
B
B
Meanwhile,
if
you
do
an
amendment,
there's
a
whole
set
of
things
that
need
to
be
done
and
we've
done
several
amendments
in
the
city
over
the
years,
but
essentially
they
involve
a
resolution
being
passed
by
the
by
the
city
council
with
the
the
language,
a
statement
of
purpose
that
has
to
end
up
being
reviewed
by
the
attorney
general's
office.
B
B
If
he
disagrees,
you
can
potentially
still
override
him
by
a
two-thirds
vote,
but
normally
he
agrees,
he
tells
you
what
you
want
to
do.
You
come
back,
you
redo
it,
and
then
you
put
it
onto
the
ballot
and
it
it
goes
from
there
and
there's
some
publishing
requirements,
and
things
like
that.
But
again,
part
of
this
is
to
kind
of
give
you
an
overview
and
to
get
a
sense
of
this
is
what
I
have
a
problem
with,
or
this
is
what
we
may
have
problems
with
gal.
B
Would
it
be
a
revision
or
an
amendment
and
how
much
we
do
this,
and
I
should
note
in
the
past,
you
could
potentially
end
up
having
a
subcommittee.
I
would
recommend,
if
you
do
any
any
sort
of
portion
of
this
body
is
involved
in
this
process.
It
really
should
be
done
with
an
open
meeting
subject
to
the
open
meetings
act,
even
though
it
might
be
looked
at
as
advisory.
B
It
might
be
considered
to
be
deliberations
leading
to
a
decision
on
public
policy,
so
it'd
be
best
not
to
take
any
chances
with
any
of
this
and
then
potentially
go
through
the
charter,
but
sometimes
people
say
geez,
there's
a
bunch
of
stuff
in
the
charter.
That
makes
no
sense.
We
have
stuff
about
justices
of
the
peace
who
cares,
but
then
you
sit
there
and
say:
do
we
want
to
end
up
putting
it
on
the
ballot?
If
it
does,
it
doesn't
make
a
difference
anyways.
B
Maybe
we
should
focus
on
things
that
are
more
important
at
this
time.
So
that's
what
I
have
prepared
for
you.
So
I'm
more
than
happy
to
take
any
questions
or
if
the
council
is
the
body
wants
to
discuss
what
their
concerns
are,
I'm
all
for
it
at
this
point,
thank
you.
C
No
man
chair
our
council
did
a
great
job
of
explaining
what
a
charter
is.
I
just
felt
for
the
residents.
We
should
start
with
something
basic
about
the
charter
before
we
move
forward
and
you
did
a
great
job.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you
so
much
madam
chair,
and
to
our
corporate
council
give
me
thank
you
so
much.
My
question
to
you
is
so:
if
there
is
this
committee
put
together,
whom
puts
together
this
committee,
does
it
the
city
council?
Does
the
mayoral
plan
city
council
approve?
How
do
you
go
about
putting
together
this
committee.
B
You
could
just
do
it
on
an
ad
hoc
basis.
My
sense
is
is
that
it
could
be
something
done
with
council
motion
with
suggestions
from
the
mayor,
potentially
in
terms
of
some
people
involved.
B
B
I
would,
I
would
suggest
a
group
of
no
more
than
seven
and
I
think
that's
a
little
high,
probably
around
three
to
five
people
who
would
potentially
have
some
knowledge
with
respect
to
these
matters
and
might
believe
that
there's
a
real
need
for
certain
things
to
change.
D
Yeah,
but
my
question
to
you
is:
who
I
mean
like,
for
example,
and
I'm
just
giving
you
a
hypothetical
if
I
were
to
go
ahead
and
appoint
somebody
that
person
is
gonna,
be
somebody
that
I
know
yeah.
I
may
not
be
on
there,
but
this
person
is
definitely
gonna
mirror
my
views.
B
Well,
here's
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
about
it.
Any
city
charter
amendment
has
to
be
voted
on
by
the
electors
or
voters
of
the
city,
so
in
a
certain
sense,
if
someone
comes
up
with
a
whole
bunch
of
proposed
charter
amendments
that
no
one
really
is
interested
in,
except
for
a
certain
group
of
people,
they're
not
going
to
pass,
we've
we've
actually
had
an
experience
where
we,
the
the
charter
amendment
to
separate
the
libraries
from
the
parks
and
recreation
department
and
to
establish
a
department
of
libraries.
B
B
B
I
would
be
interested
and
I'd
be
interested,
and
if
everyone
is
kind
of
in
agreement,
then
this
council,
chair
could
appoint
his
ad
hoc
committee
or
you
as
a
body,
could
end
up
voting
by
virtue
of
a
motion
just
to
say
we're
going
to
establish
an
ad-hoc
committee
to
look
into
this
with
membership
being
this
person
that
the
mayor
suggested
this
person
that
the
council
suggested-
and
you
know
three
people
at
large-
and
I
I
don't
have
any
better
answer
than
that-
I'm
sorry
to
say
kevin.
D
B
I
think
it's
really
more
depends
on
when
you
say
I
don't
really
think
it's
all
that
expensive.
I
mean
it
takes
lawyer
time,
but
it's
not
like
you
know
some
sort
of
ten
thousand
dollar
project
it's
more
a
matter
of
of,
especially
if
people
have
certain
things
that
they
just
want
to
end
up.
Changing
they
look
at
something
and
say:
look
we
want
to
change
the
you
know.
We
want
to
separate
out
the
library
from
the
rest
of
the
parks
and
recreation
department.
How
do
we
do
that?
It's
not
a
lot
of
legal
work.
B
It's
it's
more,
a
matter
of
sitting
down
working
through
some
of
the
wording
and
then
you
also
have
to
have
a
statement
of
purpose
that
can
be
no
more
than
a
hundred
words
and
that
sometimes
takes
some
work.
But
you
know
it
takes
a
lot
longer
for
me
to
write
a
you
know,
an
18-page
brief
than
it
does
for
me
to
end
up
coming
up
with
something:
that's
100
words,
long,
no
matter
how
much
time
I
might
spend
on
it.
B
B
D
B
Time,
general,
it
would
be
close
and
I'm
not
necessarily
certain
that's
a
good
idea
when
you're
talking
about
something
that
is
a
charter
change,
think
about
it
like
it's
a
constitutional
change,
it's
not
something
you
would.
You
know
handle
without
due
consideration
and
you
could
put
it
on
you
know.
For
next
year
I
mean
there's,
you
know
I
mean
we've
got
another
election
year
coming
up,
for
you
know,
congress
and
everything
else
so.
D
F
Chair
and
briefly,
three
quick
points
number
one.
There
was
a
prior
charter
revision
committee
of
council
members.
It
was
myself
margie
van
houten
and
janet
badalo,
and
we
had.
F
We
talked
about
making
the
charter
gender
neutral
and
taking
out
all
the
business
about
the
municipal
court
and
the
constable
and
so
on,
and
if
I
recall
gary
it,
it
didn't
make
it
to
the
proposed
language,
didn't
make
it
to
the
attorney
general's
office
in
time
or
that's
about
as
far
as
it
went.
So
that's
number
one
number
two
are
act,
3
45.
F
F
It's
mainly
the
pick
of
the
mayor.
The
charter
commission
got
a
presentation
from
highland
park,
which
was
back
then
like
the
swank
city,
believe
it
or
not
that
hiring
from
within
act.
345
requires
us,
so
it's
a
little
more
due
process.
F
In
other
words,
the
police
and
fire
chief
doesn't
get
just
picked
by
the
mayor
and
can't
be
an
outsider.
B
Councilman
can
stand.
May
I
interrupt
for
just
one
just
a
slight
correction:
slight
correction,
you're,
actually
referring
to
acts
78.
F
B
Right
and
the
city
of
highland
park,
ironically,
I've
had
some
litigation
against
them
in
the
past,
actually
ended
up
getting
rid
of
acts
78,
but
it
has
to
be
done
through
virtue
of
a
referendum,
just
as
it
is
incorporated
it
it.
It's
not
a
charter
change,
it's
something
that
still
has
to
end
up
being
voted
on,
first
end
up
being
brought
in
and,
secondly,
to
end
up
being
gotten
rid
of,
and
you
know
in
in
dearborn
heights.
B
The
interesting
thing
would
be
if
anyone
was
to
consider
that
they'd
also
have
to
consider
that
we
also
have
a
charter
provision
in
and
of
itself.
That
also
requires
civil
service
or
that
the
police
and
fire
could
insist
on
such
civil
service
and
collect
a
bargaining
agreement,
and
if
they
did
so,
then
it
would
still
remain
something
that
the
city
would
be
obligated
to
do.
So,
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt
and
and
go
on
on
that
councilman,
but.
F
What
I
was
going
to
say-
and
I've
talked
about
this
with
the
former
personnel
director
chris
sullivan,
and
I
should
have
referred
to
x78-
it
does
require
more
than
just
a
charter
revision.
F
I
was
around
when
we
did
the
we
took
the
libraries
out
of
the
recreation
department
and
failed
the
first
time,
because
the
voters
thought
we
were
creating
a
new
department
and
it
would
be
more
expensive
to
run
the
city
and
then
it
passed
the
second
time.
And
lastly,
we
want
to
look
at.
I
think
the
anti-nepotism
language
have
a
ethics
commission
and
look
closely
at
limits
for
how
the
city
can
spend
and
who
has
to
prove
spending.
G
You,
madam
chair,
first,
thank
you
very
much
for
putting
this
forward.
I
really
appreciate
it
because
this
is
eyes
opening
for
all
of
us
and
I
hope
that
we
continue
learning
about
our
city,
our
commissions,
the
more
we
know
about
the
city
and
the
commissions
in
every
every
department,
the
smarter.
We
are
the
better
job
we
do
for
our
residents
and
thank
you,
mr
mayatki,
for
putting
the
time
and
effort.
In
short
time.
B
My
recollection
was
is
that
there
were
two
one
of
them
was
composed
of
council
women,
margie
van
houden,
marge
horvath
and
janet
badalo,
and
then
I
believe
that
there
was
one
involving
councilman
constand,
as
he's
referred
to.
My
recollection
is,
is
that
essentially
the
council
members
just
said
this
is
what
we're
going
to
do
and
it
just
happened
again.
It
was
kind
of
ad
hoc.
It
wasn't
done
with
some
sort
of
specific.
B
B
G
B
I
think
it
was
more
a
matter
of
just
reviewing
section
by
section
saying
what
about
this:
what
about
this?
What
about
this?
What
about
this.
G
B
Had
to
come
to
the
council
and
the
council
ended
up
voting
on
the
resolution
and
then
if
there
were
any
changes
that
george
suggested,
I
don't
remember
now,
then
it
had
to
come
back
for
things
to
be
amended
and
then
it
ended
up
the
ballot
language
and
the
resolution
all
went
over
to.
B
Not
to
my
not
that
I
recall.
G
B
B
So,
for
example,
I
can
give
a
clear
example:
I
represented
someone
who
is
a
part-time
police
officer
involved
in
litigation
against
a
municipality
that
we
will
not
name
at
this
point.
B
B
I
argued
that
my
client
was
protected
by
the
public
safety
provisions
of
the
city
charter,
because
the
collective
bargaining
agreement,
even
if
they
were
right
about
it,
could
not
end
up
superseding
a
charter
provision
unless
it
had
to
do
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
employment
of
bargaining
union
employees.
My
client
was
not
a
bargaining
unit
employee
the
court,
the
federal
court
agreed.
B
So
you
have
to
understand
that
if
you
were
to
say
look,
this
has
to
do
with
discipline,
for
example
of
employees.
That's
normally
something
that
has
to
end
up
being
in
a
collective
bargaining
agreement
and
say
you
changed
wanted
to
change
that.
With
the
charter
provision.
The
collective
bargaining
agreement
said
you're
going
to
have
a
grievance
arbitration
provision,
you're
going
to
have
a
grievance
arbitration
provision,
it
wouldn't
matter
what
you
ended
up
having
in
the
charter.
B
So
again,
and
we've
had
arguments
about
this
or
issues
about
this.
In
the
past
years
ago,
people
tried
to
give
one
police
chief,
some
special
enhancements,
and
my
opinion
was
that
he
was
not
entitled
to
them,
because
you
could
not
do
it
by
changing
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
because
he
was
no
longer
a
bargaining
unit
employee
so
and
that
that
prevailed
with
the
with
the
council.
B
So
hopefully
that
helps
councilman
abdulhad.
G
B
It
says
this
act:
this
is
acts
78,
section
18..
This
act
shall
continue
in
full
force
and
effect
in
any
city,
village
or
municipality
in
which
it
has
been
properly
adopted
until
rescinded
by
a
majority
of
the
electors.
Voting
thereon
at
an
election
at
which
the
question
of
rescission
of
this
act
for
that
city,
village
or
municipality
is
properly
submitted.
B
The
governing
body
of
any
city,
village
or
municipality
by
resolution
may
submit
the
question
of
rescission
of
this
act
as
it
relates
to
the
fire
department
or
police
department,
or
both
to
the
electors
of
that
city,
village
or
municipality
at
any
regular
or
special
election.
So
there's
your
answer.
G
G
B
That,
I
think,
is
something
where
you
have
both
an
element
of
it
being
based
on
collective
bargaining
agreements
and
also
an
element
of
it
being
under
act
345..
B
But
I
I
don't
know
enough
to
be
able
to
answer
that
question.
I'd
have
to
look
at
it
more
closely,
but
I
think
most
of
it
is,
as
you've
stated,
a
matter
of
what
is
in
the
collective
bargaining.
G
If
you
would
be
kind
enough
and
the
permission
of
the
chairman
of
the
council,
if
you
can
discuss
it
with
the
you
know
the
people
who
are
in
charge
of
the
drop
program-
I
don't
know
if
it
is
grs
or
their
lawyers.
If
you
can
give
us
an
answer,
maybe
you
know
soon
enough.
B
G
A
G
G
Okay,
now,
if,
if
we
want
to
change
the
way
in
case
god
forbid
what
happened
to
the
mayor,
you
know
in
case
of
this
ability
or
case
of
death,
and
I
want
to
suggest
that
we
do
it
like
dear
one
that
the
chairman
of
the
council
should
automatically
take
over.
So
we
don't
have
any
fuss
until
the
next
general
election
does
that
need
revision
of
the
charter
or
just
by
resolution
and
put
in
front
of
the
voters.
B
B
I'm
not
necessarily
certain
some
of
that
is
all
a
matter
of
charter.
Some
of
that
is,
I
believe,
collective
bargaining
driven,
and
you
would
probably
I
know
that
the
hr
director
right
now
is
is.
G
G
I
I
understand
that
those
are
collective
bargaining
and
my
next
question.
B
And
I
might
add,
if
I'm,
if
I
may
councilman,
some
of
these
issues
are
also
potentially
addressed
in
city
ordinances,
because
there
is
the
overall
charter
provision
for
civil
service
that
ends
up
dealing
with
general
government
and
then
there's
also
provisions
in
the
city
ordinances.
And
then
there
are
the
rules
and
regulations
of
the
civil
service
commission.
B
So
some
of
these
things
are,
you
know
it
to
get
to
the
specifics
of
it.
You
kind
of
need
to
go
into
potentially
all
those
different
authorities
and,
like
I
said,
the
hr
director
probably
has
a
better
quick
handle
on
them
than
I
do.
E
So
it
is
in
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
with
regards
to
the
temporary
part-time
employees
and
what
type
of
jobs
they
can
fill
on
a
temporary
part-time
employment
and
then
with
regards
to
temporary
appointments
or
full-time
temporary
appointments.
That
is
a
matter
of
the
general
government,
civil
service
rules
and
regs.
G
E
So
and
we
have-
and
we
have
over
you
know
over
the
years-
and
you
know
with
regards
to
part-time
employment
with
regards
to
extending
any
sort
of
six-month
or
giving
them
preference
when
full-time
jobs
come
up.
That's
that's
a
way
different
issue,
and
you
know
part
of
that
would
be
part
of
the
negotiation
process,
and
so
you
know
that
would
be
something
that
would
be
worked
out
at
the
bargaining
table.
E
G
Because
you
know,
I
feel
some
people
who
worked
for
several
years
and
part-timer
they
deserve
really
some
relief,
that
they
become
full-time
employees
in
the
city.
I
don't
know
if
we
can
do
anything
through
the
charter
to
adjust
that
I
have
to
think
about
it
and
if
you
have
any
suggestion,
please
do
let
let
me
know
at
least.
E
Okay,
so
you
know
that
it
falls
under
the
civil
service
commission
with
regards
to
you
know
there
isn't
preference
everyone's
treated
equal
in
the
general
government
and
x-78.
E
So
if
someone,
for
instance,
works
in
our
jail
on
a
part-time
basis
and
then
goes
to
the
police
academy,
they
go
through
the
same
process
that
everyone
else
does
same
thing
with
general
government.
If
we
have
a
part-time
clerical
worker
and
then
we're
developing
a
clerical
exam
or
we're
we're
calling
for
a
clerical
list,
they
take
the
clerical
exam.
So
it
depends
what
capacity
and
you
know
to
the
extent,
but
that's
governed
by
the
civil
service
rules
and
regulations.
G
Okay,
my
next
question-
and
please
bear
with
me
mr
mayaki-
is
the
legal
department
of
our
city,
the
city
legal
right.
Now
the
mayor
is
the
one
who
appoints
you
know.
The
city
attorney
was
the
approval
of
the
city
council
and
it
is
very
vague
and
I
seen
what
happened
last
year
or
so
that
there
must
be
some
time
limitation
put
on
the
administration.
G
In
a
specific
time.
There
must
be
some
if
the
city,
council
or
the
mayor
decided
to
hire
or
to
fire
the
legal
counsel.
There
must
be
an
agreement
by
both
of
them
by
you
know
simple
majority
from
the
council
in
the
mayor
in
in
both
times,
but
if
they
both
agreed,
let's
say
to
hire
or
forbid
to
fire
the
legal
counsel.
There
must
be
time
limit
to
force
the
administration
to
come
up
with
name
or
names.
We
cannot
drag
and
drag
and
drag.
G
B
Well,
it
depends
on
how
far
you're
going
with
the
the
idea,
in
which
case,
let's
start
with
the
one
possibility.
One
possibility,
is
that
you're
saying
we
want
to
end
up
making
it
like
a
joint.
More
of
a
joint
appointment
of
the
mayor
and
the
council,
and
part
of
it
is,
is
that
the
mayor
by
the
charter
has
the
removal
power
of
all
department
heads.
G
B
So
if
you're
going
to
end
up
doing
something
that
changes
that
fundamental
power,
you
may
find
yourself
in
a
and
in
a
situation
where
you
need
a
revision
like,
for
example,
if
you
could
say
well,
we
can
just
we
can
fire
the
corporation
council
that
might
be
problematic
from
the
standpoint
that
now
a
power
that
is
given
exclusively
to
the
mayor
to
supervised
department.
B
Heads
is
now
going
to
be
shared
or
potentially
taken
over
to
a
certain
degree
by
the
city
council
and
that
changes
some
of
the
separation
of
powers,
the
idea
of
potentially
having
a
time
limit
or
having
some
sort
of
default
other
than
what
we
currently
have
now,
which
is
very
unclear,
would
probably
not
require
any
sort
of
revision.
It
could
probably
be
done
by
an
amendment.
B
You
know
there
would
also
be
the
possibility
of
saying
can
hold
over
for
a
certain
amount
of
time
and
thereafter
can't
or
you
know
there,
there
could
be
a
lot
of
things
that
could
end
up
being
done.
Believe
me,
it
was
not
my
favorite
time
to
end
up
going
through.
Well,
everything
was
up
in
the
air
and
it
applies
to
only
two
positions
in
the
city,
namely
the
city,
assessor
and
the
corporation
council.
B
Any
other
department
head
basically
serves
at
the
will
and
pleasure
of
of
the
mayor
and
is
appointed
by
the
mayor
without
any
sort
of
input
from
the
council.
It
would
also
be
possible
that
something
could
be
looked
at
with
regard
to
the
corporation
council
kind
of
like
the
city
of
detroit.
Does
I'm
not
saying
I
haven't
looked
at
it
very
closely,
but
it
strikes
me
that,
after
all
the
issues
with
mayor
kilpatrick,
there
was
some
effort
to
give
the
more
power
over
to
the
to
the
council.
B
With
regard
to
that
particular
office,
the
office
of
corporation
council,
however,
there
was
also
a
revision,
as
I
understand
it,
of
the
overall
detroit
city
charter.
So
you
know
we.
We
still
might
have
some
revision
issues
approaching
that
issue.
Sorry,
I
can't
be
more
clear,
but
the
case
law
is
not
like.
G
G
F
So
the
point
is,
I
think
we
have
to
make
a
list
of
priorities:
the
council,
the
mayor,
everybody
you
know,
and
what
our
top
three
priorities
are,
or
top
five
and
and
then
go
from
there,
and
I
think
we
have
to
develop
a
consensus,
updating
the
charter,
making
it
gender
neutral,
updating
the
what
can
be
spent
without
council
approval
and
indexing
it
for
inflation
or
reducing
it.
C
The
first
question
is:
how
do
we
make
sure
that
there's
not
any
bias
in
any
committee
and
obviously,
by
having
all
either
possible
council
members,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
that
kind
of
avoids
that
a
little
bit?
C
But
that's
the
concerns
a
lot
of
times
in
different
charters
when
you
have
some
bias
in
what
charter
revisions
come
up
for,
unfortunately,
we'll
have
the
residents
obviously
voting
on
this,
and
that
can
be
the
checkmate
to
make
sure
that
doesn't
happen,
but
like,
for
example,
somebody
putting
in
something
so
they
can
make
sure
they
become
a
hypothetically
treasurer
or
assessor
or
whatever.
C
C
Sometimes
it
seems
like
almost
overwhelming
like:
where
do
you
even
start
with
this
type
of
stuff,
and
how
do
you
even
finish
it
in
even
a
year,
because
there's
just
so
much
information
in
there
and
I'm
just
wondering,
is
what
is
the
process
to
be
able
to
hit
something
like
this?
You
know,
as
they
would
say,
how
do
you
eat
an
elephant?
You
know.
B
Right,
I
think
what
councilman
constance
said
is
is
on
point
with
regard
to
that,
which
is
things
that
have
clearly
been.
Problems,
are
usually
the
things
that
call
for
prioritization
and
attention.
B
B
But
as
councilman
constant
also
said,
and
as
I
said,
you
know,
we
thought
it
was
easy
to
just
separate
the
libraries
out
from
parks
and
recreation,
and
then
everyone
was
like
you
know
like
we
were
doing
something
wrong
and
I
think
part
of
it
was
there
was
a
detroit
news
editorial
that
made
it
sound
like
it
was
adding
another
level
of
bureaucracy
and
it
was
like
no
it
just
you
know
it's
not
like
ken
gribble
was
overseeing
the
library
on
an
ongoing
basis.
B
It
was
just
doing
what
we
were
actually
doing
so
so
I
think
part
of
that
is
your
sub.
You
know
whatever
the
committee
might
end
up
being,
can
kind
of
look
at
it
and
say:
look
what
are
what's
our
consensus
on
some
of
these
issues
in
terms
of
what
should
our
priorities
be
in
terms
of
what
we
should
look
at
and
then
the
next
step
at
that
point
is
and-
and
I
think
the
first
step
getting
to
your
first
question-
to
deal
with
the
bias
issue.
Is
it's
a
it's
a
political
issue?
B
The
council,
as
a
as
a
body,
probably
should
end
up
discussing
people
that
they
would
like
talk
about
it
with
the
mayor,
talk
about
it
with
residents
and
come
back
with.
You
know
like
five
people
and
hope
that
they're
from
a
diverse
enough
backgrounds
and
parts
of
the
city
that
you're
not
going
to
end
up
having
some
sort
of
stilted
committee
and
part
of
the
also
the
check
is
you
as
a
body
have
to
approve
anything
having
to
do
with
amendments.
You
have
to
approve
the
resolution.
B
That's
going
to
end
up
being
submitted
to
the
governor's
office
and
the
ballot
language.
That's
going
to
go
to
the
attorney
general's
office,
so
you
ultimately
have
a
a
very
significant
veto
on
that
and
then
ultimately,
the
voters
also
have
a
veto
on
that
because
they
ultimately
have
to
approve
any
sort
of
an
amendment.
So
I
hope
that
helps.
C
B
G
B
D
Sorry,
man,
I'm
sure.
Yes,
when
my
dog
starts
to
bark,
I
don't
want
anybody
to
get
interrupted.
My
question
to
our
corporate
council.
Thank
you
so
much
by
the
way
for
answering
all
these
questions.
I
see
you
definitely
briefed
yourself
here.
My
question
to
you
is:
let's
just
say
that
we
did
go
through
this
and
we
made
some
changes,
but
there
are
you
know
you
know
there.
There
were
some
bargaining,
the
things
that
happen
prior
to
this
can
can
the
city
be
sued.
Could
we
go
to
court?
D
Could
we
get
as
a
city
or
council
be
sued
or
get
in
trouble
at
any
any
point?
Because
of
this.
B
Well,
I
I
don't
think
that
it's
likely,
but
it
depends
on
what
was
submitted.
I
mean.
Sometimes
people
have
gone
to
court.
Obviously
there's
some
case
law
with
respect
to
this.
So
if
you
come
up
with
something
that's
more
controversial
or
try
to
do
something
that
may
not
be
authorized,
then
you're
going
to
potentially
end
up
in
court,
but
most
time,
if
you're
going
to
end
up
making
an
amendment
you're
not
going
to
have
a
problem
with
that.
B
G
The
charter
gives
the
mayor
basically
absolute
power
to
negotiate
the
contracts
and
the
union
contracts
and
the
city
council
basically
is
like
figurehead.
They
bring
the
contract
to
the
city
council
and
I
remember
they
wrote
it
seven
to
zero
one
time
and
within
24
hours
the
mayor
and
his
assistant
approved
everything
which
the
city
council
disapproved
now
can
we
throw
resolution
through
amendment,
make
little.
B
Well-
and
I
think
I
know
what
you're
referring
to
and
I
was
involved
in
a
closed
session
with
respect
to
that,
so
I
think
what
you
might
have
taken
away
from
that
particular
situation
was
different
than
some
of
the
reality,
but
I
can't
go
into
that
because
it
had
to
do
with
a
closed
session.
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
go
into
a
closed
session
with
you
with
respect
to
that
point
and
tell
you
what
my
recollection
is
of
all
the
events,
if
that
would
be
helpful,
either
now
or
sometime
in
the
future,.
G
Can
we,
through
an
amendment,
goes
on
the
ballot,
basically
put
some
kind
of
language
that
the
city
council
has
a
say
and
really
any
contract?
Instead,
it
goes
to
arbitration,
and
here
we
go.
One
person
makes
the
decision
for
the
whole
city.
We
end
up
carrying
a
bag
of
millions
of
dollars
for
the
next.
G
Madam
chair,
would
you
be
kind
we
we
really
need
to
know
what
happened
in
order
to
be
able
to
correct
that.
G
G
A
A
Agree
at
this
time,
we
will
go
into
a
closed
study
session
for
that
at
a
future
meeting.
Okay,
our
next
meeting
we
do
already
have
one.
We
can
do
it
two
weeks
after
that,
if
you
like.
A
B
F
I
just
want
to
remind
everybody,
I'm
sure
corporate
council
miyaki
is
where
this.
F
You
know
the
provision
in
the
charter
about
spending
the
amount
that
has
to
be
approved
by
the
council
and
all
all
that
has
to
remain
in
the
charter,
and
I
will
tell
you
that
inkster
they
had
a
city
manager
and
then
they
had
some
bad
luck
with
some
bad
city
managers,
and
so
the
new
mayor,
byron
nolan,
who
was
an
attorney,
pushed
through
a
charter
revision
and
made
it
a
strong
mayor,
former
government.
Some
say
he
did
it.
F
He
had
the
clerk,
do
it
with
city
money
and
he
indexed
his
salary
as
a
new,
strong
mayor
position
with
what
the
mayor
and
dearborn
made.
So
he
had
a
salary
of
over
100
grand
a
year
and
then
this
last
election.
He
was
voted
out
of
office
because
of
that,
but
just
keep
in
mind
that
the
there
are
provisions
in
the
city
charter.
Gary
can
probably
speak
to
this
better
than
me
that
make
hiring.
B
Some
individuals
know
I
usually
represent
the
city
with
like
acts,
78
matters
or
civil
service
matters,
and
my
experience
has
been
that
in
general,
civil
service
act,
78
are
very
helpful
types
of
things
to
end
up
having
and
also
are
very
helpful
in
the
sense
of
being
able
to
avoid
potential
claims
based
on
discrimination,
because
the
process
that
you
follow
is
tends
to
be
done
by
merit
principles
and
that
usually
gives
you
a
better
way
of
being
able
to
avoid
claims
that
you're
discriminating
against
particular
individuals
and
so
forth.
B
So
that
those
are
those
are
my
that's
my
sense
of
things
anyways,
based
on
both
my
work
for
the
city
as
well
as
litigation
that
I've
seen
and
been
involved
in
against
certain
municipalities.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
I
looked
at
the
date
that
would
be
the
july
13th
meeting.
Is
that
okay
with
everybody
and
the
mayor,
is
that,
okay
with
him
too,.