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From YouTube: 10-24-18 Zoning Board of Adjustment
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Des Moines Zoning Board of Adjustment meeting on Wednesday, Oct. 24, 2018 in Des Moines, Iowa.
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A
This
board
has
the
power
under
Iowa
law,
in
the
zoning
ordinance
of
the
City
of
Des
Moines,
to
hear
requests
for
variants
and
exceptions
from
the
regulations
in
the
zoning
ordinance
to
hear
conditional
use,
permit
requests
and
to
review
appeals
from
the
decision
of
the
staff
in
the
administration
of
the
zoning
ordinance
and
then
to
make
decisions
in
such
matters.
The
members
of
this
board
are
citizens
of
the
City
of
Des
Moines
and
have
been
appointed
to
this
board
by
the
City
Council.
The
board
members
are
volunteers
and
received
no
compensation
for
their
public
service.
A
I'm,
going
to
take
a
minute
here
and
introduce
our
board
and
staff
members
on
the
audience's
right
is
Dave
gear.
Next
to
him
is
Lynn
Carlsen
on
the
audience's
left
is
Cindy
Smith
I'm,
the
chair,
Mel
pins.
This
is
a
seven
member
board.
We
just
have
five
of
us
today.
Nathan
Blake
should
be
arriving
shortly,
but
we
are
missing
two
members
today,
we
usually
have
very
very
good
attendance
here,
but
once
in
a
while,
we
might
have
one
or
two
folks
that
can't
make
it
I'll
introduce
our
city.
A
Staff
on
my
left
is
the
city's
legal
council
representative,
Glenna
Frank,
and
here
in
the
front
row
by
the
podium
we
have
bert
drost
city,
planner,
Eric,
Lundy
city
planner
and
our
zoning
enforcement
officer,
sue
and
Donovan
I'm,
going
to
take
a
couple
minutes
here
and
give
everybody
kind
of
the
basic
background
on
how
our
procedure
works.
But
as
we
proceed
with
the
hearing,
I'll
help
everybody
through
the
process.
A
First
of
all,
this
is
an
open
public
meeting.
However,
it
is
a
formal
hearing,
subject
to
the
rules
of
the
hearing
which
I
will
present.
The
meeting
is
being
recorded
for
video
and
audio.
In
fact,
it
should
be
recorded,
live
or
being
presented,
live
right
now
in
the
city's
cable
channel,
or
you
can
watch
us
in
reruns
at
late
night
if
you've
got
insomnia
or
other
reasons
to
sit
and
watch
this
for
three
hours.
A
Copies
of
the
agenda
for
today's
hearing,
as
well
as
the
staff
recommendations
are
available
in
the
trays
right
outside
this
door
to
the
room
here.
So
when
I'm,
through
with
my
opening
remarks,
if
you
haven't
yet
grabbed
an
agenda,
feel
free
to
step
up
and
do
so,
this
board
is
required
to
base
its
decision
in
each
case
upon
the
criteria
that
has
been
established
by
law
for
the
type
of
relief
that
the
applicant
seeks.
A
The
law
applicable
to
each
case
has
been
identified
in
the
written
staff
report
and
if
the
facts,
as
determined
by
this
board,
demonstrates
that
the
criteria
established
by
law
for
granting
the
relief
has
been
satisfied,
then
the
board
must
grant
the
relief.
Otherwise
the
board
must
deny
the
requested
relief.
Each
appeal
will
be
announced
in
order
as
presented
on
the
agenda.
A
The
appellant
or
a
representative
of
the
appellant
will
then
be
allowed
to
speak
first.
They
will
be
allowed
up
to
ten
minutes
to
present
their
case
for
appeal.
Anyone
else
present
in
support
of
the
requested
appeal
will
then
be
allowed
up
to
five
minutes.
Each
for
their
comments,
following
that
anyone
present
in
opposition
to
the
appeal
will
then
be
allowed
up
to
five
minutes
each
to
present
their
comments.
The
applicant
will
then
be
allowed
up
to
three
minutes
for
a
rebuttal
or
other
closing
comments
if
they
request.
Such
all.
A
Speakers
must
speak
only
from
the
podium
here,
which
is
forward
and
to
the
left
and
begin
their
presentation
by
first
giving
both
their
name
and
their
address.
That
address
can
be
your
place
of
residence,
if
applicable,
to
the
case
or
your
place
of
business.
If
you're
here
in
a
professional
capacity,
all
speakers
are
requested
to
remain
courteous
and
to
focus
their
comments
only
upon
those
facts
that
demonstrate
whether
or
not
the
criteria
established
by
law
has
been
satisfied.
Speakers
are
also
asked
to
ensure
that
they
are
respectful
of
time
considerations
if
necessary.
A
The
board
will
then
close
any
further
public
comment
on
the
agenda
item
and
the
board
will
immediately
deliberate
the
request
and
make
a
decision
here
today.
If
your
appeal
is
approved
today,
we
ask
that
you
wait
until
about
mid
next
week
if
you
would
need
to
go
to
the
permit
and
Development
Center
if
any
building
permits
or
other
documentation
is
needed.
This
allows
the
decision
of
this
board
to
be
documented
and
recorded
in
the
form
of
a
decision
and
order.
A
A
They
will
be
considered
for
approval
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation
in
the
staff
report,
unless
there's
an
individual
present
here
in
the
audience
today
or
a
member
of
this
board
that
requests
that
the
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
separately
considered
under
the
public
hearing
agenda
and
I
will
come
back
to
this
in
a
minute.
That'll
be
the
first
part
of
our
agenda
and
again
I'll
help
everybody
through
that.
A
The
decisions
of
this
board
can
only
be
appealed
in
the
polk
county
district
court.
So
if
you
believe
you've
been
harmed
by
an
error
made
by
this
board,
your
only
remedy
is
to
seek
relief
through
the
district
court
within
30
days
of
the
filing
of
the
board's
decision
and
order.
If
you
believe
the
zoning
regulations
applied
by
this
board
are
wrong,
you
may
petition
the
City
Council
to
change
those
regulations
for
future
considerations.
A
All
material,
written
or
otherwise
used
today,
as
part
of
any
presentation,
will
become
a
permanent
part
of
the
record
and
will
not
be
returned.
So
if
you
want
to
show
us
photos
or
drawings
or
documents,
you'll
either
need
to
leave
those
with
us
or
be
prepared
to
allow
us
to
at
least
make
a
sufficient
copy
of
those
just
some
quick
housekeeping
items.
We
ask
that
you
please
avoid
any
undue
conversation
in
the
audience
so
as
to
not
be
disruptive
distracting
from
the
hearing
that
is
in
progress
so
far,
you're
doing
a
great
job
of
that.
A
Thank
you.
We
also
please
ensure
your
cell
phone
ringer
has
been
silenced
once
again,
you're
doing
fine,
and
if
you
need
to
use
a
restroom,
you
can
leave
right
through
the
door
here
and
on
the
same
level
just
to
the
right
of
the
staircase.
There
are
restrooms
down
the
hall
once
the
agenda
item
that
you're
interested
in
has
been
completed.
You're
welcome
to
leave
the
hearing,
otherwise
you
can
stick
around
with
us
till
4:30
or
5
o'clock,
if
you'd
really
like
to
we'll,
have
a
10-minute
break
in
the
hearing
if
needed
around
3:00
or
3:30.
A
B
Chair
members
of
the
board,
Bert
Ross
planner
for
the
city,
I,
do
have
a
few
changes
to
today's
agenda,
beginning
with
number
17
C
appeal
at
40,
105,
Hubbell
Avenue
that
one
has
been
withdrawn.
So
there
will
not
be
a
public
hearing,
I'm
held
on
that
one
today,
two
items
that
have
or
that
staff
is
moving
off
of
the
consent
agenda
number
three
item:
at
30
104
bill
abyss
to
drive.
We
had
a
comment
card
back
in
opposition
and
we
also
had
some
communication
from
the
neighborhood
association
in
opposition.
B
C
B
A
I'll
just
survey
the
audience
here,
quick
for
item
number
15,
that's
related
to
a
signage
request
at
300,
West,
Martin,
Luther,
King,
jr.,
Park
ways
or
anybody
here
in
the
audience.
That
would
be
against
granting
approval
for
that
variance
request.
If
so,
just
raise
your
hand,
okay,
seeing
none
anybody
here
on
the
board
with
a
concern.
If
none
would
there
be
a
motion,
move
item
15
to
consent,
agenda
for
approval
I,
so.
A
B
A
E
A
A
B
Can
number
18
is
the
appeal
at
three
or
four
yeast
walnut
they've
requested
a
variance
an
exception
to
the
height
that
would
allow
for
a
construction
of
an
eighty
two
point.
Five
foot
tall
building
they've
requested
that
the
public
hearing
be
continued
to
the
November
28th
meeting.
We
received
a
letter
yesterday
from
the
East
Village
neighborhood
association.
The
applicant
would
like
a
chance
to
discuss
the
project
with
it:
East,
Village,
neighbor,
Association
and
hopefully
attempt
to
support
the
project
rather
than
oppose
it.
So
is.
A
There
anybody
here
that
has
a
concern
about
item
18
and
wanted
to
speak
today
in
opposition
to
that
item.
I
see
that
you
here
in
opposition,
if
we
would
continue
this
to
the
next
meeting,
if
you
have
any
problem
with
coming
back
next
month
that
that
might
help
us
understand
the
issue
better,
all
the
way
around.
Okay,
all
right,
I'll.
A
Right,
we
got
a
motion
for
continuance.
Second
by
Cindy.
All
those
in
favor
continue
item
18
to
the
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting,
raise
your
right
and
say:
I
hi
okay
motion
carries
unanimously
5-0
okay,
so
we
moved
item
18
to
next
month's
meeting.
So
what
we'll
do
now
the
way
the
consent
agenda
works
and
I'll
read
through
all
these
again?
Sir,
did
you
have
a
question.
A
Since
we've
moved
item
15
to
consent,
if
you
can
give
me
about
two
minutes,
we
may
be
able
to
approve
that.
So
that's
that's
what
we're
gonna
get
to
right
right
now.
All
right
did
you
have
a
question
in
the
front
row:
okay,
all
right!
Okay,
so,
basically
so
with
what
Burt
has
proposed
for
the
board's
consideration
is
that
we
would
look
at
approving
items.
A
1
&,
2
5
through
11
and
15,
is
what
we
call
consent
agenda
now
read
through
those,
but
basically
we'd,
be
approving
the
requested
appeals
subject
to
the
staff
recommendations
in
the
report.
So
even
if
we
would
say
yes-
and
we
don't
listen
to
the
case
directly-
you
still
might
have
to
meet
some
of
the
staffs
conditions.
It's
not
an
entire
free
ride,
so
I'm
going
to
read
through
those
items
that
are
proposed
to
be
on
the
consent
agenda.
A
If
you
have
any
concern
about
one
of
those
items,
just
raise
your
hand
when
I
mention
that
number
and
then
we'll
move
it
to
the
regular
hearing.
If
you
then
want
to
be
heard
with
your
concerns
so
item
1
was
a
special
permit
request
at
5200.
Park
Avenue:
is
there
anybody
here
in
opposition
to
granting
approval
for
item
1,
okay,
seeing
none
item
2
was
a
special
permit
request.
Basically
at
the
Iowa
Cubs
at
one
line,
drive
item
2
any
concerns.
Seeing
none
item.
5
is
an
exception,
variance
request
at
2400,
Williams
Street.
A
Anybody
here
in
opposition
to
item
5,
seeing
none
item.
6
is
an
exception
request
at
1345
7th
Street
no
hands
with
concern
there.
Okay
item
7
an
exception
request
at
215
East
3rd,
going
once
going
twice.
Okay
item:
8
an
exception
request
at
2800.
Second
Avenue.
Any
objections
to
that
one.
Seeing
none
item
9
is
a
special
permit
request
related
to
Des
Moines
public
schools
at
300,
East,
County,
Line
Road
no
concerns
there
item
10a
special
permit
request
at
a
local
place
of
worship
at
57,
11,
Southwest,
9th
Street.
Any
concerns
with
that
one.
A
Seeing
none
item
11
and
exception
request
the
vicinity
of
1100,
7th,
Street
and
then
item
15.
That
is
a
variance
request
again
at
300
West
Martin
Luther
King
Parkway.
If
the
audience
has
no
concerns
with
those,
are
there
any
concerns
from
the
board
if
any
of
those
items?
If
none
would
there
be
a
motion
from
the
board
to
grant
the
requested
variances
appeals
and
considerations
on
items
1
to
5
through
11
and
15
I'll.
G
A
By
Cindy,
a
second
second
by
Dave,
all
those
in
favor
of
approving
the
consent
agenda
approvals
raise
your
right
hand,
say.
Aye.
All
right
motion
carries
5
to
0.
So
if
you
hear
4
items,
1
2,
5,
6,
7,
8,
9,
10,
11
and
15
you've
been
granted
approval
for
those
and
about
mid
next
week.
You'll
get
a
copy
of
that
decision
and
order
in
writing.
Granting
those
approvals
to
you.
A
A
Yes,
we
discussed
this
before
the
meeting,
so
always
something
interesting
here
at
Zoning
Board
of
Adjustment.
This
is
a
seven
member
board
in
any
regard.
It
always
takes
four
members
of
this
board
to
vote
for
approval
of
any
variance
or
exception
or
any
special
permit.
So
it's
not
just
a
simple
majority
of
the
five
present
it
always
has
to
be.
At
least
four
members
have
to
vote.
A
The
conundrum
with
that
is
I
can't
necessarily
guarantee
how
many
members
we
will
have
here
next
month.
So
sometimes
we
have
most
of
the
time
we
really
do.
We
have
good
dedicated
board
members
and
we'll
have
seven
of
us
here,
sometimes
there's
only
six
once
in
a
while,
we
have
just
five.
So
if
you
feel
like
you
would
rather
have
more
eyes
and
ears
for
your
presentation
today
to
consider
granting
approval
to
you
you're
welcome
to
defer
this
to
next
month.
A
Again,
if
you
think
you
got
a
good
case
and
can
give
it
a
good
shot.
Convinced
four
out
of
five
of
us,
then
you're
welcome
to
stick
around
and
we'll
hear
your
case.
So
with
those
kind
of
odds,
is
there
anybody
that
wants
to
defer
to
next
month?
If
so,
you
can
kind
of
raise
your
hand
if
it's
something
you
want
to
ponder
for
a
few
minutes.
A
If
you're
not
up
to
bat
here
right
away,
you
can
sit
in
room
on
it,
but
with
what
I
just
mentioned,
is
there
anybody
who
would
rather
wait
till
next
month?
You've
spent
the
time
to
come
down
here,
so
you
probably
want
to
just
hear
it
forward.
Okay,
if
anybody
would
change
their
mind
before
we
get
to
your
case
today,
feel
free
to
raise
your
hand
so,
okay!
Well,
if
that's
good
enough,
then
we'll
go
ahead
and
begin
then,
with
item
three.
H
Drive
and
Richmond
Avenue
they're
asking
to
have
a
garage
that
would
be
nine
hundred
and
ninety
three
point
six
square
feet
in
area
within
their
rear
yard.
That
is
over
the
calculated
amount.
They
would
be
in
title
two
by
right
by
two
hundred
and
eighty
nine
point:
six
square
feet
over
the
calculated
amount
which
they
could
have,
which
is
seven
hundred
and
four
square
feet.
H
H
H
This
is
a
sketch
that
was
provided
with
the
application
that
shows
how
they
want
to
place
the
garage
on
the
property
with
a
separate
driveway.
They
would
still
have
a
driveway
in
this
location
if
they
get
what
they
have
asked
for
to
a
carport,
that's
on
the
side
of
the
house,
so
so
they
would
have
two
separate
driveways.
In
that
event,
staff
looked
at
this
in
terms
of
the
level
of
Appeal.
H
We
do
want
to
make
sure
that
it
is
constructed
with
materials
that
are
compatible
with
the
existing
dwelling.
It's
a
brick
house,
but
typically
on
brick
houses,
the
accessory
structures
would
have
had
materials
that
would
be
found
in
the
neighborhood,
such
as
horizontal
lap,
siding
and
asphalt
shingles.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
those
that
garage
is
constructed
in
that
fashion.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
it
doesn't
exceed
the
17
foot
height.
H
They
have
not
asked
to
appeal
that
provision,
so
they
need
to
ensure
that
they
have
roof
structure
that
would
not
exceed
a
ridge
at
the
17
feet
in
height.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
they
meet
all
applicable
building
codes
for
any
type
of
foundation
system
that
would
be
required.
That's
through
the
permitting
Development
Center.
H
We
want
a
provision
that
it
won't
be
used
as
any
type
of
a
dwelling
unit
or
bedroom
for
the
property,
and
then
any
accessory
structure
would
not
be
used
for
a
home-based
business
unless
they
were
taken
under
further
consideration
in
the
future
by
the
Board
of
Adjustment.
So
those
are
the
five
conditions
we
recommend.
H
H
In
general,
there
isn't
a
restriction
on
residential
property
and
Telex.
It
exceeds
that
percentage
of
the
front
yard.
So
as
long
as
you
know
this
being
a
residential
property,
it's
not
a
matter
of
concern.
If
this
was
a
commercial
drive
entrance,
it
would
be
a
lot
different,
but
the
number
of
trips
that
we
would
expect
out
of
a
residential
driveway
is
fairly
minimal
and
wouldn't
be
impacted
by
that
separation.
So
certainly,
if
you
thought
that
was
a
character
issue,
you
could,
you
know
consider
that
in
granting
any
relief.
A
A
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I
B
C
I
I
When
we,
when
I,
went
down
to
the
building
department,
we
went
over
it
and
talked
about
the
different
sizes
of
the
structure
and
things
like
that
and
and
talked
to
the
gentleman
down
there,
and
they
felt
that
just
fit
a
good
criteria
for
being
in
that
position
for
the
neighborhood.
And
they
thought
that
it
would
be
a
good
place
to
have
an
application
for
this
building.
D
A
As
staff
has
stated,
there
may
not
be
a
requirement
that
you
can't
have
a
secondary
drive
if
it
meets
engineering
requirements
I
understand.
But
if
we
were
inclined
to
approve
this
kind
of
as
a
little
bit
of
a
trade-off,
would
you
be
amenable
to
maybe
not
having
the
second
driveway
and
tying
it
into
your
existing
Drive,
because
I
don't
see
any
other
houses
in
the
vicinity
that
have
double
drives
coming
out
to
the
same,
the
same
street
or
at
all?
Well.
I
I
A
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A
L
My
name
is
Eleanor
Hawkins
and
I
live
at
1525,
East,
Tiffen,
Avenue
503,
one
six
and
I
wrote
this
before
I
heard
all
the
comments.
The
chairman
and
members
of
the
city.
Zoning
board
of
adjustments,
I,
have
lived
in
the
development
of
Bobby's
place
for
over
57
years.
I
feel
a
building
of
36
feet
by
twenty
seven
point:
six,
which
is
nine
hundred
and
ninety
three
point.
L
Six
square
feet
does
not
fit
in
our
neighborhood
of
an
are
160
nice,
small
brick
homes,
the
house,
a
3104,
Villa
Vista
Drive,
is
only
912
square
feet,
so
it's
smaller
than
the
garage
that
they
want
to
put
up
there,
and
this
has
been
a
rental
property
for
some
time
and
occupy
for
a
few
months.
So
I
don't
understand
and
now
I
do
buy
a
building,
and
this
site
is
needed.
An
unoccupied
rental
property
I
have
a
petition
of
the
neighbors
in
the
development
that
do
not
want
the
zoning
changed.
L
Also,
some
pictures
showing
this
structure
I
would
consider
to
be
in
the
side
yard,
not
in
the
backyard.
There
were
many
times
when
the
lawn
was
not
loaned
for
weeks
and
even
dandelions
have
gone
to
seed.
Also,
there
was
a
shed
that
was
about
to
fall
down.
That
was
an
eyesore
to
our
neighborhood
mr.
Harvey
displayed.
He
has
not
been
a
good
neighbor
to
us
and
also
in
his
business
transactions.
Please
carefully
consider
our
request.
This
should
not
be
approved.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Okay,
thank.
D
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A
M
M
All
my
life
and
yeah
I'm
very
dead,
set
against
building
this
big
building
and
also
the
extra
Drive
I
think
the
drys
going
to
create
a
lot
of
problems
backing
out
for
one
thing:
creating
problems
for
the
other
people
on
the
other
side
of
the
LaVista,
when
they're
backing
out
or
several
people
on
the
other
side
of
Hill
Vista,
and
as
it
being
when
it
was
the
rental
property.
There
was
quite
a
bit
of
problems
with
one
time.
M
It
was
a
daycare
and
the
kids
were
just
all
over
the
place
and
people
backing
out
had
a
lot
of
problems
with
that
part
and
they
did
get
evicted
out
of
there
for
that
so
yeah.
One
thing
the
neighbors
are
worried
about
is,
if
apparently,
he's
a
construction
owner
and
they're
worried
about
him,
putting
construction
equipment
in
the
garage.
If
that's,
what
the
garage
is
really
all
about,
if
there's
just
if
he's
gonna,
be
storing
construction
equipment
in
there
and
the
follow-up
part,
is
he
really
gonna
live
in
the
house
himself?
M
A
F
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F
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I
Okay,
first
off
we
don't
have
a
rear
yard.
We
have
a
side
yard,
so
we
don't
have
the
option
of
putting
up
a
building
in
the
rear
yard.
I
do
own
a
construction
company
I'm
a
new
home
builder,
but
I
also
have
60
acres
of
office
and
work
and
storage,
where
all
my
heavy
equipment
is
all
my
items
for
construction
work.
I
Four
or
five
years,
probably
my
daughter,
my
son,
graduated
from
Grand
View,
which
kind
of
got
us
back
down
in
the
area.
I
grew
up
over
off
the
Sheridan
2,300
e
Sheridan
to
be
exact
is
where
I.
Where
I
was
raised.
Now
my
daughter
is
playing
tennis
for
the
Vikings
over
there
I've
got
a
new
grandbaby.
They
live
on
Samson
Street,
just
two
blocks
away,
so
we're
kind
of
wanting
to
be
we're.
I
Downsizing
to
to
this
house,
that's
why
we
sold
our
house
and
we're
trying
to
be
one
to
be
close
to
my
daughter
and
my
new
granddaughter
and
we're
gonna
try
to
make
it
fit
what
we
need
for
the
time
being.
Until
my
other
son,
its
junior
in
high
school,
gets
out
of
high
school
potentially
goes
to
Grandview.
I
Does
that
seem
either
the
track
record
right
now,
I'm
just
trying
to
make
it
fit
and
that's
what
we
need
to
make
it
fit
as
far
as
the
approach
goes,
if
it's
like
any
of
the
other
cities,
you've
got
16
feet,
that's
allowable
at
the
sidewalk
and
you're
allowed
to
go
out
three
feet
from
each
side
to
the
curb.
Now
it
makes
it
more
drastic
or
less
drastic
by
the
difference
in
the
parking
room
and
I
have
never
measured
this
one
but
I
believe
it's
12
feet.
I
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A
Right,
okay,
so
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
of
granting
the
requested
relief.
Raise
your
right
hand
say:
aye,
aye
I
was
opposed.
You
guys
had
a
motion
so
quick,
but
that's
okay,
it's
gonna,
pass
I,
just
think
it's
a
little
big
all
right,
so
motion
passes
four
to
one.
So
you
got
your
approval.
The
decision
order
will
come
to
you
by
next
week.
Wait
for
that
and
then
you
can
go
down
to
permit
and
development
and
pull
your
permits
for
the
actual
construction.
A
Okay,
all
right,
you're,
welcome,
and
for
those
of
you
that
came
down
that
to
speak
in
opposition.
We
appreciate
you
coming
down
listening
to
your
concerns
and
we
appreciate
all
your
support
living
in
the
neighborhood
for
forty
five,
fifty
five
plus
years.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
That'll
bring
us
to
item
number
four.
That's
an
exception
request
in
the
vicinity
of
932
Leland
Avenue.
H
A
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H
H
Q
H
H
They
would
have
to
replant
this
to
get
it
changed
under
the
way
they're
requesting
it.
Currently
there's
a
single
family
dwelling
on
this
property
that
is
oriented
to
the
north
towards
Leland
there's
this
is
vacant.
There
was
a
detached
garage
that
straddled
that
slightly
it's
gone,
it's
been
removed.
H
So
this
is
looking
at
it
from
the
Leyland
perspective
a
little
bit
towards
the
southwest,
so
you
can
see
Southwest
10th
passing
in
the
mid
ground
there.
This
is
the
front
of
the
house.
The
actual
door
is
oriented
to
the
east
off
the
bump-out
on
the
front
of
the
house,
not
sure
if
that's
the
historic
arrangement
under
current
single-family
dwelling
standards,
we
wouldn't
permit
that
with
a
new
dwelling.
This
is
moving
around
the
side
of
the
house.
H
Actually,
I'll
show
you
the
other
vacant
lot
to
the
east,
looking
south
from
Leyland
and
moving
around
the
house.
This
is
the
west
side
of
the
existing
house
towards
Southwest
10th,
then
looking
into
the
back
towards
the
this
would
be
the
proposed
location
of
another
dwelling
that
would
face
Southwest
10th,
the
applicant
provided
a
layout
of
how
they
would
propose
this.
H
H
So
the
relief
that
we're
talking
about
here
is
the
total
area
of
these
is
both
below
the
7,500
necessary.
So
this
is
7,000
for
45
square
feet
on
the
corner
lot.
This
is
68
27
square
feet
on
the
interior
lot.
Then
they
would
also
need
relief
of
the
rear
yard
for
this
house
that
they're
proposing
they're
showing
a
20
foot
setback
here
at
the
rear.
H
H
H
A
H
A
H
H
G
A
H
H
H
A
A
H
E
H
We
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
in
compliance
with
the
design
and
because
they
did
not
provide
us
with
specific
design
for
the
house.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
our
Planning
ministry
looks
at
this
and
verifies
that
it
meets
what
the
board's
intentions
are.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
it
has
a
full
basement.
H
We
want
to
make
sure
that
it
has
the
provision
of
a
garage
in
the
rear
yard.
Now
it's
showing
one
in
the
side,
yard
I
think
that
could
be
modified
if
you're
comfortable
with,
where
they're
placing
it
in
both
cases,
they're
technically
within
the
side
yard.
What,
as
shown
it
is
behind
the
front
of
the
house,
which
I
think
is
the
intent
of
that
condition,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
it's
large
enough
for
one
parking
space
and
eighty
square
feet
of
storage,
a
paved
driveway
for
the
access
to
the
garage
again.
H
Normally,
we
would
require
the
front
yard
to
be
paved
regardless.
But
if
they're
pulling
the
garage
back
further,
we
would
want
that
paved
up
all
the
way
to
the
garage.
Any
dwellings
shall
have
exterior
materials
of
masonry,
brick
or
stone,
vinyl
of
no
less
than
42
Millis
cedar,
cement,
fiber
board
or
other
composite
materials
generally
equal
in
quality
to
cement
fiber
board,
as
approved
by
the
city's
planning
administrator,
and
that
really
is
a
list
of
materials
that
we
have
accepted
for
use
for
giving
tax
abatement.
H
So
there
are
some
engineered
wood
products
that
fall
into
that
list
as
well,
without
getting
exhaustive
on
what
we
allow.
Any
dwelling
shall
be
constructed
with
front
porch
of
not
less
than
sixty
square
feet,
or
at
least
one-third
of
the
front
facade
shall
be
clad
with
stone
or
brick
masonry
again,
we
want
the
front
to
appear
interesting
to
the
street
as
with
the
traditional
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
he's
willing,
constructed
shall
have
window
and
door
trim
on
all
facades.
That
is
a
minimum
of
four
inches
wide.
H
Any
dwelling
constructed
shall
include
a
roof
covered
with
architectural
profile,
asphalt,
type,
shingles
or
cedar
shakes.
We
want
to
prohibit
any
three
tab:
standard
shingles,
any
dwelling
and
or
accessory
structure
shall
be
constructed
in
compliance
with
the
building
codes,
with
issuance
of
all
permits
required
by
the
Renton
Development
Center,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
any
modified,
lock
configuration
is
in
accordance
with
a
plat
instrument
approved
by
the
city's
permit
and
Development
Center
and
recorded
with
polk
county.
R
H
The
answer
to
that
is
yes,
and
without
a
calculation
we
went
with
the
district
standard,
so
we
would
calculate
that
with
the
homes
oriented
toward
Southwest
10th
to
the
first
200
feet
to
the
south,
I,
don't
know
if
that
includes
one
two
or
three
parcels,
so
that
would
be
measured
as
an
average.
So
it's
possible
that
that
relief
might.
F
H
I,
don't
know
what
we're
200
feet.
I
would
think
it
doesn't
go
as
far
as
yeah,
possibly
the
third
one,
maybe
just
these
two
and
what
that
measurement
is.
They
would
have
to
comply
with
the
average.
So
it's
possible
that
that
relief
wouldn't
be
necessary.
What
they
did.
What
they
do
lose
is
any
lot
of
record
flexibilities,
but
that
averaging
is
not
part
of
the
lot
of
record
provisions.
H
G
A
R
My
name
is
caleb
fritz,
sir.
I
reside
at
55
38
Southwest
15
Street
in
Des
Moines
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
show
another
house
that
we're
doing
this
would
be
our
11th
project,
assuming
it
is
approved.
We
have
two
on
the
market
day
and
two
that
are
under
construction
that
were
approved,
I
believe
earlier
this
spring.
So
thank
you
for
that.
This
is
a
house
that
will
be
a
rental
property.
932
Leland.
My
business
partner,
is
actually
covering
the
rental
inspection.
R
Originally
looking
at
this
I
was
kind
of
excited,
because
the
lot
to
the
east
is
a
lot
of
record,
and
so
that's
why
they're
titled
in
two
different
LLC's,
one
LLC
is
our
construction
builder
company
and
then
the
other
one
is
our
rental
property
company
and
got
the
site
plan
and
the
the
southeast
corner
approximately
about
two
feet
of
it
are
caught
on
that
east
lot,
which
that
I
had
a
scramble
and
reconfigure
it.
How
we
proposing
it
based
upon
past
experience
with
the
board
I,
know
that
you
guys
grant
heavy
weight
on.
R
Does
this
conform
to
the
neighborhood
I?
Looked
straight
to
the
West
and,
like
the
gentleman
said,
the
lot
to
the
West,
the
two
Lots
to
the
west
are
configured
exactly
like
this
and
they're,
actually
smaller
than
the
proposed
Lots
that
we're
proposing
so
I
think
everything
fits
and
conforms
to
the
neighborhood.
The
best
of
our
ability,
the
staff
recommendations
were
they're,
identical
to
previous
recommendations
that
we've
been
faced
with
so
I
have
no
issues
with
building
the
house
according
to
these
recommendations,
and
so
that
I
really
don't
have
too
much
else
to
add.
R
A
R
F
R
A
C
A
H
S
G
S
I
have
been
there
25
years
and
when
I
bought
that
property,
the
reason
I
bought
the
property
was
the
buffers
that
I
had
around
me,
because
the
Lots
were
large
and
the
houses
were
set
in
the
way
that
I
have
literally
a
buffer
all
the
way
around
my
entire
property,
and
the
purpose
of
that
was
is
instead
of
moving
to
the
country
where
I
had
a
little
space,
I
found
a
place
in
Des
Moines
that
I
could
get
that
with.
It
is
a
one-block
Street
and
it
really
doesn't
jog
over.
S
As
I
heard
the
gentleman
state
it's
a
straight
street,
it's
a
one-block
Street
at
the
Army
Post
end.
It
is
extremely
difficult
to
get
out
onto
the
road,
so
we
count
on
Leland
that
corner
of
us
that
lived
there.
We
go
that
way
to
get
out
where
he's
proposing
to
put
a
house
concerns
me
greatly.
In
fact,
it
troubles
me
deeply
because
it
does
in
French,
even
though
it's
property
that
he
has
now
purchased
and
his
other
entity
has
purchased
the
other
lot.
S
B
S
So
what
I
would
like
to
show
is
this
is
the
back
of
the
house
at
9:30
to
Leland
and
the
fin.
Stop
that
you
see
there,
that
is
my
chain-link
fence
and
I
took
that
from
the
middle
of
what
they
call
the
vacant
lot,
which
I
own.
That
picture
is
there
and
when
you
look
at
that
picture
and
then
you
envision
a
house
and
two
garages,
it
takes
away
what
I
feel
is
my
privacy.
It
takes
away
my
space
even
though
I
don't
own
that
piece
of
land
it
takes
that
away
from
me.
S
D
S
S
If
you
look
at
the
rest
of
the
Lots
that
are
in
that
area,
they're,
not
as
small
as
as
the
projections
trying
to
lead
to-
and
so
these
are
important
things
to
me,
because
I
have
one
home:
I
can't
afford
to
go,
buy
another
property
in
move
to
get
what
I
bought
25
years
ago,
mm-hmm
I
just
can't
I'm
stuck
there.
That's
me
forever,
and
what
concerns
me
is
is
that
I
lose.
In
my
opinion,
everything
I
went
for
and
I
did
do
some
pictures.
S
S
It's
hard
to
picture
that
that
house
and
a
garage
and
then
a
second
garage
on
the
Leland
side
of
the
property.
If
they
get
their
grant,
it
is
not
going
to
impede
vision
and
we
as
neighbors
on
Southwest
10th.
We
want
to
see.
We've
got
the
Fort
Des
Moines
facility,
not
far
from
us.
We've
got
the
homeless
shelter
and
we
have
a
home
hidden
somewhere
in
there,
that
is,
for
drug
addicts.
It's
to
help
them.
S
It's
not
that
it's
a
bad
place
for
drug
addicts,
but
we
have
those
people
come
up
our
street
all
the
time
and
around
Leland
we
like
to
see
them
coming.
We
watch
them
scope,
our
properties
that
will
all
be
blocked,
and
it
might
not
mean
anything
to
anybody,
but
us
I've
been
there
25
years,
the
majority
of
I
know
of
one
house
on
Southwest
10th,
that's
a
rental,
we're
all
homeowners
there.
S
In
addition,
what
we
have
on
the
corner
of
Southwest
am
from
Wayland.
If
you
look
at
this
and
I
tried
to
make
notes
in
here
to
kind
of
give
an
idea,
but
but
this
corner
house
at
Southwest
10th
in
Leland
that
gentleman
has
a
tree
business
in
both
corners,
both
and
and
I've
complained,
and
we've
called
the
police
on
this.
We
have
boom
trucks
and
we
have
big
trucks
with
trailers
loaded
high
in
the
air,
with.
S
C
S
Is
a
hardship
for
us
in
in
that
one
block
street?
We
are
just
strictly
a
one-block
Street
I.
Don't
feel
that
it
would
be
a
great
loss
because
I
know
John
the
gentleman
that
sold
him.
That
happens
to
be
a
friend
of
ours
and
was
our
neighbor
for
25
years.
John
grew
up
in
the
house,
John
had
a
stroke
and
the
yard
became
too
much
and
I'm
not
sure
how
it
ended
up
going
so
cheaply,
but
they
had
to
invest
and
I'm
not
talking
about
the
repairs
they
done
on
the
house
after
they
bought
it.
S
C
S
A
S
S
Going
to
be
east
of
the
vacant
lot
right
now
that
he
wants
to
change
mm-hmm,
there's
a
buffer
that
I
bought.
This
is
my
back
fence,
Southwest
9th!
If
you
will,
this
is
a
common
go
when
they
put.
This
in
I,
went
to
City
Council
and
was
allowed
not
to
have
an
eight-foot
privacy
fence,
because
I
want
to
see
it's
it's
about
me
at
the
end
of
the
day.
I
want
to
see
I
bought
this
with
all
of
this
when
I
bought
it.
So
each
side
of
my
property
has
that
lot,
plus
buffers.
S
S
C
C
S
C
C
A
Alright,
any
questions
for
Tammy
Tammy
I've
just
got
a
real
brief
one
for
you
here,
I
understand
everything
that
you
put
out
here.
I,
don't
live
far
from
you.
In
fact,
Borden
arrows
restaurant
was
right
up
there
in
the
corner.
No
one
pointed
that
out
one
of
my
favorite
places,
but
I
want
to
put
a
few
other
things
in
perspective.
You
say
you
bought
that
property.
So
you
had
these
buffers
around
you
right.
Yes,
okay!
Well,
we
don't
have
a
legal
right
as
property
owners
to
say
hey.
A
S
A
Could
come
in
and
build
a
house
seven
and
a
half
feet
from
you
or
seven
feet,
or
he
could
build
a
garage
the
next
day
within
three
feet
of
your
property
boundary?
Yes,
so
I
know
what
he's
doing
is
a
change.
It
requires
some
exceptions,
but
with
what
he's
proposing,
he
would
still
be
12
feet
away
from
the
property
further
away
than
he
would
normally
need
to
be.
If
he
was
developing
that
as
a
single
lot,
I
hear.
A
G
S
A
S
A
C
C
S
S
A
C
T
A
T
G
T
C
T
On
point
and
I
only
have
five
minutes
that
I'll
get
her
done.
I
am
also
opposed
to
the
proposal
of
the
new
house
across
the
street
I'm.
All
for
all
of
their
improvements
and
I
would
love
to
see
a
nice
huge
garage
and
have
that
big
play
yard
for
some
cute
family
and
unfortunately
that
isn't
in
our
neighborhood.
It
doesn't
really
happen.
G
T
T
You
know
why,
because
they
build
extra
houses
there,
where
they
didn't
need
to
I
think
we
do
have
the
traffic
of
I
call
it
the
235
of
Southwest
9th,
because
we
do
have
the
correctional
facility
and
they
get
dropped
off
at
that
foot
trip
and
my
husband
has
been
emailing
and
he's.
Actually,
you
can
thank
him,
he's
the
one
that
got
the
trash
cans
by
the
Kwik
Trip
and
things
like
that.
So
we're
really
in
in
tune
to
our
neighborhood.
T
It's
going
to
not
be
good
for
me
again
and,
like
Tammy
said
we
were
the
vigilant
ones
on
the
and
actually,
when
they
were
just
redoing,
the
house
I'm,
the
one
that's
called
three
or
four
a
dozen
times,
while
they're
glued
errs
were
there
while
the
construction,
you
know
we
had
just.
We
have
bad
people
on
our
street
and
to
have
another
house
to
look
after
I.
Also
have
this
house
this
one
right
here:
it's
under
construction
as
well.
It
has
been
for
years,
I,
actually
like
it
vacant,
because
I
don't
have
to
worry.
T
I've
got
the
police
there
half
the
time,
because
there's
people
coming
into
the
house
I'm
just
I'm
the
vigilante
on
my
block
antium.
Of
course
we
used
to
have
elderly
neighbors,
they've,
all
passed
away,
God
rest,
their
souls
and
we've
had
some
rentals
and,
like
I
said
it.
Just
scares
me
to
have
another
rental
I
hate
to
say
that,
because
I
have
friends
that
are
that
rent
properties
and
that's
they're
awesome
but
I
just
think
and
I
wish.
We
could.
T
It
shows
you
a
little
better
picture
and
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
the
legal
legality
of
anything.
Those.
Even
if
it's
five
feet
short,
it's
too
short
black
and
white.
It
does
not
fit
they're
a
new
house,
a
new,
tiny
little
bungalow,
which
I
know
would
be
adorable
it'd,
be
better
than
my
house.
It
did
this,
it
doesn't
fit,
it
doesn't
fit.
G
T
I
do
we
did
like
John
and
they
did
pay
the
thirty
five
thousand
and
then
like
the
next
day
or
actually
was
the
day
before
you
know
they
stole
it
for
fifty
thousand
so
they're
already
making
money
and
I
know
that
that's
their
business
and
good
for
you,
chip
and
Joanna,
awesome
and
I
wish
I
could
do
that,
but
I
don't
like
the
predatory
they
get.
The
my
mom
gets
things
to
post
cards
in
the
mail:
hey
cash
for
your
house,
blah
blah
blah.
You
get
somebody
in
a
bind.
T
A
A
R
Am
sensitive
to
neighbors
desires
and
wishes,
and
what
have
you
I
am
a
member
of
Des
Moines,
I
love
it
here,
I
moved
here
five
years
ago
and
I
wish
I
would
have
moved
here
or
I
wish.
I
was
born
here.
I
am
a
South
Sider
actually
can
walk
to
this
house.
I
live
on
the
corner
reporter
and
Southwest
15.
So
this
is
one
of
the
projects
that's
nearby
to
us.
R
My
only
position
is
I
believe
this
is
an
improvement
to
the
neighborhood.
So
I
will
stand
by
the
neighbors
request
and
say:
let's
take
care
of
the
neighborhood
and
that's
what
we're
aiming
to
do
here,
and
this
would
be
a
good,
affordable
house.
These
houses
sell
for
about
one
hundred
and
sixty
thousand,
which
is
pretty
cheap.
R
D
R
D
I'm
in
favor
of
doing
square,
Lots,
red
and
long
skinny
Lots,
because
it's
been
my
experience,
long
skinny
lots
people
kind
of
forget
about
the
back
end
and
they
dispelled
you
know
little
extra
leaves
and
derbies
back
there
and
then,
with
making
a
home.
That's
gonna
be
purchased,
not
rented
on
that
extra
lot
and
160,000
I.
Think
you're
gonna
have
somebody
who's
gonna,
be
an
advocate
and
pair
up
with
you
to
bring
up
the
neighborhood
rather
than
somebody's
going
to
be
bringing
it
down.
D
When
you've
got
that
much
money
invested,
you're,
not
gonna,
let
go
goodbye
and
I
think
it
might
help
your
property
values.
So
for
me
it's
a
make
sense
deal
I
mean
you
can
put
two
houses
in
that
space
anyway,
because
it's
two
Lots
and
I
prefer
the
square
lots
or
the
skinny
lots
and
I
think
getting
somebody
in
there
in
160
thousand
dollar
house
is
gonna,
be
somebody
who's
going
to
be
an
advocate
with
you.
A
Other
thoughts,
okay,
I'd
mention
this
to
Tammy
I,
feel
for
where
she's
coming
from
and
when
we're
used
to
something
or
we
started
with
something,
and
somebody
wants
to
change
it
that
stuff.
The
biggest
thing
that
I
always
look
at
is
direct
impact
to
the
neighboring
a
lot
and
in
this
case
we're
keeping
the
side
yard
further
away.
A
The
house
isn't
going
to
be
as
close
as
it
as
it
could
be
by
right
or
maybe
what
he
could
have
asked
for
so,
if
anything,
by
turning
it
sideways
like
that,
I
think
he's
trying
his
best
to
give
her
some
buffer
room
I
think
he
was
trying
to
make
it
fit
too,
but
yeah
changes
sometimes
difficult,
but
if
we're
investing
with
new
houses
in
preexisting,
neighborhoods,
there's
houses
here
that
go
back
over
a
hundred
years.
Now
that
grew
out
of
the
Fort
Des
Moines
as
an
army
facility,
just
residual
developments
that
weren't
really
planned.
A
I
like
to
see
new
investment,
I
think
caleb
has
shown
that
he's
trying
to
do
things
the
right
way.
I've
seen
a
lot
of
these
skinny
turned
Lots
with
a
lot
less
thought
and
concept.
So
this
is
actually.
This
is
actually
fairly
well
put
forward,
so
I
I'd
probably
look
to
support
it,
and
I
certainly
know
that
that
would
be
a
big
change
for
these
two
neighbors
but,
as
you
said,
Lynne
I
think,
probably
at
the
end
of
the
day,
a
positive
investment.
D
A
So
we
got
a
motion
and
a
staff
or
a
motion
in
a
second
to
grant
staff
recommendation
for
approval,
subject
to
the
conditions
presented.
All
those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hands,
say:
aye.
Okay,
that
motion
does
carry
5
to
0.
I.
Do
want
to
thank
you,
ladies
for
coming
in
today
and
Caleb
I,
look
forward
to
you
to
be
continual
good
neighbor
down
there
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
A
B
B
So
by
having
that
we,
our
zoning
ordinance,
would
consider
that
a
contract
or
storage
yard,
which
then
triggers
the
need
for
two
additional
variances
and
that's
the
variance
of
the
provision
that
prohibits
a
home
occupation
from
having
outside
operations
and
a
variance
of
the
provision
that
requires
a
home
occupation
to
be
a
use
that
would
be
allowed
in
the
situ
district.
So
the
subject
property
is
located
on
the
north
side
of
Lion
Street
just
to
the
south
of
the
freeway.
B
B
Storage
of
other
materials
happening
they've
since
cleaned
it
up
and
at
the
time
that
they
filed
this
application.
They
said
that
the
only
thing
they
would
be
parking
outside
on
the
property
is
one
of
their
unenclosed
trailers
here,
and
they
would
be
parking
that
on
the
north
or
30
feet
of
the
property
either
on
the
west
or
east
side
of
the
existing
detached
garage
and
all
other
components
of
the
business
would
take
place
within
that
garage.
B
B
Staff
does
believe
that
it's
reasonable
to
grant
the
confession
permit.
However,
we
would
want
that
to
be
subject
to
the
condition
that
the
trailer
is
parked
within
the
fully
enclosed
building
and
not
on
not
outdoors,
like
they're
proposing
so
I'll
just
read
through
the
staff
recommendation.
Real
quick
staff
recommends
denial
of
the
two
variances,
but
approval
of
the
special
permit
subject
to
one
any
trailer
associated
with
the
business
shall
be
stored
within
a
fully
enclosed
structure.
B
Two,
there
should
be
no
more
than
one
personal
vehicle
associated
with
the
business,
which
is
not
larger
than
a
standard.
Pickup
truck
parked
on
the
premise
at
any
time
and
in
three,
the
home
occupation
or
the
business
show
comply
with
the
requirements
for
all
home
occupations.
That's
a
three
and
I
won't
read
any
questions
for
me.
B
D
A
B
A
B
A
B
A
So,
ironically,
your
flyover
was
well,
it
could
have
been
a
funeral,
it
could
have
been
a
funeral
or
yeah.
Okay,
just
curious.
Is
there
a
neighborhood
kind
of
redevelopment
plan
or
long-term
plan,
because
I
know
this
with
carving
up
for
freeway
over
the
years
and
other
things
is
there?
Is
this
just
an
r1,
basically
that
yeah.
B
A
C
A
U
Afternoon
my
name
is
Luis
can
see.
No,
my
address
is
1750
Lima
Street
yep.
First
of
all,
there
is
too
many
vehicles
on
the
pictures,
but
I
already
get
rid
of
a
few
of
them.
I
bought
them
when
I
used
to
bought
the
property
because
I
remodeled
it.
So
there
was
some
garbage
and
stuff
because
I
was
remodeling.
The
house
and
it's
kind
of
tough
for
me
to
keep
my
work
and
remodeling
the
house
side
during
myself.
I
apologize
about
that
because
I
I
know
I
had
a
lot
of
stuffs
in
there.
A
So
you've
seen
what
the
city's
proposing
they'd
like
to,
let
you
have
your
home
business,
but
they
want
to
limit
the
number
of
vehicles
that
can
be
stored
outside
and
that
the
only
vehicle
you'd
have
stored
outside
would
be
about
the
size
of
a
pickup
truck.
So
with
that
limitation.
Is
that
different
than
what
you
want,
or
do
you
think
you
could
find
a
way
to
work
with
that
maybe
store
the
trailer
in
Sai
or
any
enclosed
cube
trailer.
U
A
Usually
and
I've
seen
this
in
my
neighborhood,
a
tandem
axle
black
dump,
trailer
doesn't
really
fit
in
in
a
residential
neighborhood.
So
that's
why
the
city
I
think
they're,
saying
you're
either
gonna
have
to
keep
that
inside
or
like
most
contractors.
Would
you
have
a
contract
or
storage
lot,
and
maybe
you
can
rent
a
space
on
a
lot
somewhere,
but
but
that's
what
the
city's
proposal
is
to
not
have
that
trailer
outside
yeah.
U
F
A
C
U
C
A
F
B
C
A
A
Okay,
so
I
I
kind
of
get
nerdy
on
this
stuff.
But
if
we
wanted
to
say,
could
we
say
that
it
would
be
limited
to
a
3/4
ton
capacity
or
less,
because
what
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
is
is
that
somebody
comes
in
with
a
big
tandem,
axle,
Peterbilt
Service
body
truck
and
they're
parking
it
in
their
driveway.
But
if
it's
a
plumbing
van
or
it's.
J
C
J
A
Which
is
true
but
and
you're,
usually
very
conservative,
but
I
would
say
even
more
so
parking
ordinance
says
you
can't
have
a
vehicle
of
more
than
one
ton
capacity
parked
on
a
city
street
unless
it's
there
to
deliver
or
service.
So
the
the
weight
limit
on
the
street
can
be
far
different,
yet
much
more
allowable.
Don't
you
think
I
think.
G
S
A
Yeah,
so
alright,
so
we
had
a
few
questions,
we're
in
public
or
we're
in
closed
portion
for
deliberations.
So
it
sounds
like
we'd,
maybe
want
to
give
them
a
chance.
Maybe
have
a
second
vehicle
that
could
be
related
to
the
business,
but
also
for
personal
use
of
what
no
more
than
one
ton
capacity
for
either
yeah.
A
Let
Cindy
second,
that,
okay,
if
everybody
understands
that
motion
all
those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand
say.
Aye
motion
carries
5-0
staff.
I'd
recommend.
We've
got
a
good
guy
who
fixed
up
his
property
I'm,
trying
to
run
a
reasonable
business,
but
still
fit
in
with
the
neighborhood.
If
you
just
kind
of
worked
through
that
decision
in
order
make
sure
he's
clear
on
that,
that
would
be
very
helpful.
A
A
B
Number
13
is
a
proposal
to
construct
a
two-story
tall
garage
that
would
have
a
maximum
height
of
25.5
feet
so
they're
requiring
two
appeals.
One
is
an
exception
of
8
and
a
half
feet
over
the
maximum
allowed
17
feet
of
height
and
the
other
is
a
variance
of
one-story
over
the
maximum
allowed
one-story.
B
And
for
joining
purposes,
both
of
these
would
be
considered
two
storeys,
since
the
portions
of
the
upper
floor
would
have
side
walls
that
are
more
than
four
feet
in
height,
whereas
if
the
side
walls
were
four
feet
or
less
in
height,
that
would
be
considered
a
half
the
story
so
really
having
these
bump-outs.
Here
are
what
caused
the
second
appeal
to
be
a
variance,
rather
than
an
exception.
B
Here's
a
photo
of
the
property.
Again,
it's
a
single-family
house.
The
new
strodge
would
be
located
here
to
the
east.
You
can
see.
Hickman
Road
is
being
reconstructed
right
now,
so
there
is
construction
equipment
related
to
the
city
project
in
front
of
their
house.
I.
Here's
the
home
from
another
angle.
B
Support
submitted
from
stamps
perspective,
we
do
feel
that
the
proposed
garages
would
be
compatible
with
the
essential
character
of
the
neighborhood.
We
just
didn't
feel
that
they
had
met
the
criteria
necessary
for
granting
variance.
As
you
know,
the
variances
required
demonstration
of
a
necessary
hardship.
However,
we
do
feel
that
they've
satisfied
the
criteria
necessary
for
granting
exceptions
and
the
exceptions
would
require
them
to
construct
the
upper
level
with
side
walls
that
are
4
feet
or
less.
B
B
B
B
Q
C
C
N
N
C
F
N
A
B
A
That's
something
the
planning
administrator.
Could
our
staff
could
work
on
kind
of
an
amended
approach
without
us
getting
involved
in
that?
If
we
were
at
the
exception
level,
we
don't
have
to
design
that
and
okay
all
right.
So
if
the
interior
side
walls
were
less
than
4
feet,
he
wouldn't
have
to
do
the
dormer,
then,
okay,
all
right.
Okay,
all
righty
good
question.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation,
all
right.
Anybody
here
to
speak
in
support
of
the
applicant
anybody
here,
speaking
opposition
to
the
applicant,
seeing
none
any
further
questions
for
staff.
F
A
We
got
a
motion
and
a
second
all
those
in
favor
of
granting
the
requested
exception
appeals
raise
your
right
hand
say:
aye
aye
motion
carries
5-0,
so
mr.
Ford
I
want
to
thank
you
for
having
a
nice
place
and
keeping
your
investment
in
that
neighborhood
there'll
be
a
positive
addition
for
everybody.
Okay,
let's
see.
G
M
H
H
H
You
have
I
think
this
is
a
single-family
dwelling.
This
one
is
a
two-family
dwelling
and
I
believe
this
is
a
two-family
dwelling
down
here
so-
and
this
is
a
little
unusual
in
that
it
sits
back
further
from
the
street
and
then
had
a
little
modification
to
the
larger
parcel
here
for
a
encroachment
of
some
sort
at
some
point
in
time,
but
you'll
notice.
That
is
this,
the
property
that
is
objected
to
this
on
the
card.
H
So
when
we
get
to
the
consent
map
you'll
see
that
it,
the
property
owner
immediately
to
the
south,
is
in
opposition.
To
this
request
in
the
request
is
for
a
garage
that
exceeds
the
lot
area
or
the
area
based
on
the
rear
yard
area
they
based
on
their
size
of
lot.
It
earns
the
maximum
one
thousand
square
feet
for
a
lot
under
an
acre.
So,
rather
than
being
a
percentage,
it
comes
out
to
be
the
you
defer
to
the
1,000
square
foot
maximum
because
it
does
not
exceed
two
one.
H
One
acre
parcel
so
then,
for
an
exception
level
appeal
they
would
get
up
to
1500
if
it's
branded
as
a
full
exception.
They
are
requesting
a
total
of
two
accessory
structures,
960
square
feet
and
720
square
feet
that
would
put
them
at
830
square
feet
over
the
thousand
maximum,
so
a
total
of
1830
square
feet.
H
H
H
Well,
yes,
so
it's
an
it
drops
down
a
little
bit
to
get
to
it,
so
it
does
kind
of
sit
lower
than
where
the
house
sets
on
the
crown.
So
you
have
the
house
an
existing
garage
and
then
they
want
to
build
this
other
24
by
40
up
here
with
the
drive
coming
off
of
the
existing
drive,
there's
a
pool
that
had
already
been
removed
that
shows
up
on
our
planet
metric
mapping
that
they
wanted
to
point
out
that
be
there.
H
H
However,
we
do
believe
that
it
would
meet
the
exception,
so
we
would
recommend
approval
of
an
amended
appeal
to
allow
exception
of
a
1,500
square
foot
total
aggregate
aggregate
area
for
accessory
structures
with
the
conditions
to
ensure
its
character.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
it
will
won't
contain
any
more
than
the
1,500
square
feet,
total,
no
matter
what
happens
with
other
accessory
structures.
Any
accessory
structure
shall
be
constructed
with
building
materials
that
are
compatible
with
the
primary
dwelling.
H
So
if
you
look
at
the
existing
dwelling,
its
lap
sided
slip,
split-level
house
with
brick
materials
in
the
front
shutters.
We
would
want
comparable
lap
material,
whether
it
be
fiber,
cement,
board
or
vinyl
to
be
compatible.
Any
accessory
structure
shall
be
constructed
in
compliance
with
all
applicable
building
codes,
with
issuance
of
all
necessary
permits
by
the
permit
and
Development
Center
no
portion
shall
be
used
as
a
dwelling
unit.
No
portion
shall
be
used
in
association
with
a
home
business
and
home-based
business
unless
they
come
back
to
the
board
and
requests
that
as
a
special
permit.
H
Don't
have
any
communication
with
the
appellant
to
know
whether
they're
willing
to
do
that
or
not,
if
you're,
if
you're,
reducing
this,
that
they
would
lose
five
hundred
and
thirty
square
feet
total
area
for
the
new
structure
in
order
to
keep
it
at
fifteen
hundred
I.
Guess
we're
not
going
to
get
into
what
that
dimensions
should
be
if
they
they
do
drop
it
down
like
that
five
hundred,
I'm
sorry
330
square
feet.
C
A
And
I
don't
want
to
be
here
to
get
anybody
in
trouble
today
per
se,
but
in
the
letter
the
applicant
submitted,
he
said
that
there's
a
business
to
his
north
that
repairs,
semi-truck
tires
and
I
would
assume
that's
the
Arthur
Gustafson
property.
Are
you
aware
of
any
home
based
business,
occupation
or
anything
owning
for
that?
One.
A
H
H
M
H
A
A
A
V
C
V
V
V
V
V
V
To
buy
that
property
several
times
and
have
had
no
luck
in
doing
so,
it's
currently
for
sale,
but
he
wants
way
too
much
money
for
it.
So
the
positioning
of
the
well
I
guess
I'll
go
back
and
give
you
my
story
here.
So
this
is
the
second
time
I've
owned
this
house.
This
is
the
first
house
I
bought
when
I
was
20
years.
Old
I
lived
there
for
20
years,
I've
remodeled
the
house
twice
the
garage.
It's
currently
there
in
the
shed
I
personally
built
those
all
the
concrete
work.
V
C
V
Love
the
street
I
love
the
fact
that
sits
off
the
street.
It's
a
great
location.
My
backyard
is
kind
of
like
to
go
earlier,
it's
kind
of
my
own
little
space,
and
so
it's
been
really
nice
Island,
shawl,
heating
and
cooling.
For
35
years
we
had
a
12,000
square
foot,
building
of
which
we
had
about
2,400
square
feet
of
warehouse
space
in
the
back.
That
I
kept
a
lot
of
my
toys
and
stuff
in
at
that
time.
V
So
we've
since
then
sold
the
company
and
just
recently
sold
the
building
itself,
and
so
all
that
400
square
feet
of
warehouse
space
went
to
my
dad's
garage
and
my
garage,
which
is
why
I'm
requesting
a
second
location,
those
tools
and
things
are
not
company
tools,
they're
woodworking
tools,
we
had
kind
of
a
shop
area
set
up
back
there,
that
we
could
do
woodworking,
my
dad's,
an
avid
woodworker,
and
so
in
the
process
of
all
this.
My
dad
has
developed
a
terminal,
lung
cancer.
V
He
will
be
probably
less
than
two
years
he
will
be
gone.
His
tools
will
become
mine,
his
classic
car
that
he
has
will
become
mine.
I
actually
gave
it
to
him
as
a
gift
of
years
ago.
He's
remodel
that
restored
it,
and
it
will
come
back
to
me
so
part
of
the
reason
I
need
a
little
bit.
Bigger
garage
is
just
to
store
those
things
and
have
basically
it'll
be
a
woodworking
shop
and
kind
of
a
collection
area.
V
For
me,
as
far
as
my
his
vehicle
and
stuff
like
that,
so
there's
no
intention
whatsoever
of
being
a
business.
I'm,
retired
I
have
no
intention
to
go
back
to
work.
So
that's
the
the
business
side
of
it
will
not
be
the
case
so,
as
he
said,
I'm
really
looking
for
an
additional
330
square
feet,
not
the
complete,
you
know
amount
as
well.
So
the
other
reason
I'd
like
to
go
a
little
bit
bigger,
is
the
fact
that
it
will
block
my
neighbors
what
I
see
in
his
backyard.
V
C
V
That
perspective,
along
with
it
in
increased
tax
role
for
the
the
property,
so
hopefully
that
answers
any
questions
here
is
also
a
picture
off
of
Google
of
his
property.
At
some
point
in
the
past
you
can
see
multiple
vehicles
there.
He
is
retired
from
the
tire
business
bow,
but
he
still
has
a
lot
of
stuff
sitting
around
okay.
From
that
perspective
and
I
think
you
had
a
picture.
V
G
F
V
Currently,
the
house
is
vinyl
sighted,
both
of
the
other
garage
and
the
shed
that
I
built
before
which
were
masonite
had
been
converted
over
to
vinyl,
which
so
all
the
property
currently
is
vinyl
sided
I'm.
My
quote,
is
to
also
do
vinyl
siding
that
matches
the
other
garage
and
sheds
with
white
trim
and
match
up
to.
What's
there
already
so,
yes,
yeah.
G
A
So
if
I've
boiled
this
down
to
both
sides
of
this
argument,
we're
330
square
feet
apart
right,
it
really
comes
down
to
so
I
mean
we
can
make
this
easy
and
just
go
with
the
staff
recommendation.
You
just
got
a
squeeze
your
new
garage
down
by
330
square
feet,
but
if
we
do
that,
isn't
it
like?
Won't
it
be
something
like
I,
don't
know:
45
percent
smaller
or
something
I
haven't,
run
all
the
numbers,
but
right
it'd
be
considerably
smaller
yeah.
It.
V
A
A
G
V
V
C
D
V
My
other
garage
is
a
two
and
a
half
car
garage
that
all
parked
myself
and
someday
when
I
get
married,
who
knows
but
we'll
park
the
vehicles
there.
This
garage
will
be
primarily
for
the
the
toys
and
classic
car
and
that's
why
there's
only
one
overhead
door,
because
the
rest
of
that
will
be
shop
area
for
woodworking
and
stuff
yeah.
G
V
A
K
Yeah
I
know
the
area
really
well,
it's
really
a
pretty
area
in
and
I
kind
of
tend
to
it
to
go
along
with
with
his
request.
Part
of
the
reason
is
because
he's
got
the
neighbor,
that's
got
lots
of
garages
and
visually
I
think
it
would
be
an
improvement
for
him,
and
this
sits
off
the
beaten
path.
I
mean.
If
you
don't
know
this
property,
you
would.
You
would
have
a
little
bit
of
trouble
finding
it
and
I've
looked
in
in
the
area
for
a
million
years,
I
didn't
realize
there
was
so
much
back
there.
K
D
A
D
With
you,
with
the
neighbor
and
their
places
and
he's
gonna
be
using
vinyl
and
making
it
look,
nice
and
fitting
in
I
think
I'm
over
time
time
to
resell.
People
wouldn't
be
objecting
to
seeing
that
Mady
area
I
think
that
area
kind
of
tracks
somebody
who's
gonna,
want
the
extra
outbuildings
I
could
see
my
son
wanting
that
house
sure
or
the
garage
is
the
house
is
incidental
and
I
think
he
makes
a
good
argument
for
what
he
he
needs
like.
A
I'm
sure
in
in
this
case,
I'm
guessing
we'd
all
be
comfortable,
with
the
exception
level,
staffs
even
recommended
that,
but
the
variance
level
he
wants
another
three
hundred
and
thirty
square
feet
above
that,
but
that's
about
15
by
20.
If
you
know
just
real
rough
estimates,
that's
not
that
big
of
a
deal
now
on
a
variance
test.
You
know
it's
pretty
high
bar,
but
part
of
the
variance
test
is,
would
it
be
in
incompatible
with
the
general
character,
welfare
etc
of
the
neighborhood
I?
Don't
think,
you'd
have
any
impact
on
that.
So.
A
D
A
A
G
A
Right
Dave
seconds,
all
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand
say
aye,
for
it
was
opposed
one
okay,
so
just
like
we
said
earlier
today
takes
four
to
pass,
so
you
pass
four
to
one
so
yeah.
We
appreciate
you
not
sure
if
you
truly
left
him
on,
but
we
appreciate
you
coming
back
and
that
call
Shaw
y'all
that
I
I
hope
you
get
some
residuals
or
royalties
off
that,
because
whoever
wrote
that
jingle,
it's
priceless,
have
a
good
afternoon.
Okay,
that'll
take
us
to
item
16.
C
B
Sixteen
sixteen
is
actually
two
special
permits.
One
would
be
a
special
permit
to
allow
a
permanent
banner
sign
and
the
other
would
be
a
special
permit
to
allow
temporary
banner
signs.
The
subject
property
is
the
First
Assembly
of
God
Church
on
the
east
side
of
the
Merle
hay
road,
just
to
the
north
of
Hickman,
Road
and
south
of
Urbandale
Avenue.
B
For
that
special
permit.
Here
are
some
photos.
Hopefully
you
can
see.
They
know
the
son
was
in
a
bad
spot
at
certain
site
photos.
This
is
the
playground
at
the
northwest
corner
of
the
property
for
the
daycare
again,
that's
where
they
would
want
to
have
the
permanent
banner
on
that
fence,
and
these
photos
were
just
moving
south
on
the
property
down.
Merle
hay
road.
B
And
they
do
have
a
fairly
large
off
street
parking
to
the
south
of
the
church.
Building.
Here's
the
consent
map
we
did
get
most
of
the
cards
were
in
support.
There
were
two
in
opposition
plus
there's
an
email
going
around
from
the
Merle
hay
Neighborhood
Association
that
just
expressed
concerns
over
the
permanent
banner
sign
affixed
to
the
fence.
B
Staff
has
recommended
denial
of
that
permanent
banner
sign
the
fix
to
the
fence.
We
feel
that
really,
the
intent
of
the
ordinance
is
that
any
freestanding
sign
should
be
a
more
durable
material.
In
fact,
that's
why
banner
signs
are
strictly
prohibited,
as
permanent
signs
in
any
freestanding
sign
is
required
to
be
a
monument
sign
with
the
masonry
base.
B
So
again
we
have
recommended
denial
of
the
special
permit
for
that
permanent
sign,
but
we
do
feel
that
they've
satisfied
the
criteria
necessary
for
granting
the
special
permit
to
have
the
temporary
banner
signs
up
to
six
times
per
year
for
a
five-year
period.
We
have
may
recommended
I
believe
eight
different
conditions
on
that.
All
this
reads:
moogles
quickly,
one
is
should
be
valid
for
a
five-year
period
to
each
science
only
be
displayed
for
a
10-day
period.
B
Three,
the
property
shall
not
have
the
banner
signs
more
than
six
times
for
calendar
year,
for
any
banner
sign
should
not
exceed
32
square
feet
in
area
five.
The
banner
shall
be
maintained
in
good
repair.
Six,
the
sign
should
be
securely
affixed
to
a
support
structure
and
seven.
They
must
comply
with
any
necessary
sign,
permitting
requirements
and
then
eight,
if
they
violate
these
conditions
or
become
a
nuisance
to
the
neighborhood,
the
Zoning
officer
would
have
the
ability
to
bring
the
special
permit
back
for
reconsideration.
C
A
A
So
it's
just
lighted,
there's
no
changing
words
or
anything
and
I
can
have
the
applicant
talk
to
that
too.
I'm
just
curious
and
what
the
signs
that
have
been
put
up
there
with
that
advertisement
with
the
polls
in
the
banner
I'm
assuming
was:
did
they
have
a
special
permit
for
that,
or
is
that
a
non-compliant
sign
at
the
time.
B
B
A
A
Q
Excuse
me,
thank
you
all
for
your
time
and
service
really
appreciate
it.
My
name
is
Andy
Reed
representing
First
Assembly
of
God
27:25
Merle,
hay
road,
yes,
so
they're
the
two
separate
requests
and
I
got
the
email
today
from
Burt
Thank
You
Burt
that
the
Neighborhood
Association
is
right
now
not
suggesting
that
we
move
forward
with
that.
So
I'm,
assuming
that's
a
no-go
at
this
point
or
should
I
speak
to.
Q
So
what
we're
thinking
with
the
more
permanent
sign
for
the
daycare
is,
it
would
be
something
that
would
be
done
very
well
with
excellence
and
we
would
attach
it
to
the
chain
links
chain,
link
fence
seasonally.
So
around
times
we
were
pushing
enrollment
for
our
daycare
that
meets
at
the
church,
so
it
wouldn't
be
a
banner
that
would
be
out
getting
faded
in
the
Sun
or
dirty
or
tattered.
It
would
be
designed
well
put
up
well
and
securely
and
maintained.
A
Okay,
so
Andy
one
question:
I
have
and
I'm
trying
to
follow
through
with
this
and
I.
Think
staff
did
a
good
job
here,
but
sometimes
I
tension
I'm
starting
to
think
about
the
item
and
recalling
so
you
want
a
special
permit
to
allow
temporary
banner
signs
elsewhere
on
the
property.
Also
that
would
advertise
what
like
Vacation,
Bible,
School
or
something.
A
Days
so
you're
kind
of
no
offense
you're
doing
what
people
used
to
do
twenty
years
ago
now,
what
people
want
to
do
is
have
an
electronic
sign
and
by
city
code
that
can
you
know,
change
every
few
seconds
to
have
a
message:
hey
come
here
on
Christmas
Day
or
join
us
for
Easter
or
now
enrolling
for
daycare.
Is
that
anything
that
you've
wanted
to
look
at
doing
in
the
future
or
AG
to
discuss
now
we'd,
rather
just
do
this
yeah.
Q
A
If
we
were
inclined
to
say
you
know,
staff
sounds
pretty
adamant
about
their
concerns
about
not
having
banner
signs
on
a
fence,
sure
miss
you
know
semi-permanent
or
even
temporary,
but
that
they
would
allow
you
to
have
the
temporary
kind
of
freestanding
banner
mm-hm
a
limited
period
during
the
year.
Well,
then,
what
I
might
suggest,
or
if
I
was
in
your
shoes,
I
might
go
well,
then
I
can
still
use
that
to
advertise
the
daycare.
Okay.
Q
A
Q
Q
N
A
A
A
A
A
Okay,
all
right!
All
right!
Thank
you!
Andy!
You
go
ahead
and
sit
down,
mm-hmm,
I
kind
of
think
the
longer
you
wait,
the
more
time
you
should
be
allowed
to
talk,
but
but
he's
about
being
brief,
so
appreciate
that
anybody
here
to
speak
in
support
of
the
applicant
okay,
seeing
none
anybody
to
speak
in
opposition,
seeing
none
further
questions
for
staff.
None,
okay!
Well,
close
public
portion
go
to
board
deliberation
so.
P
D
B
B
A
B
P
A
J
A
I
think
that's
a
very
good
point
for
clarification
of
what
the
applicant
wants
to
do.
It's
nice
to
kind
of
know
that
but
yeah
well
whether
he
wants
to
say
this
is
a
daycare
or
whether
they
want
to
say
enrolling.
Now,
that's
not
up
to
us
right,
yeah,
but
I.
Think
dave
was
just
after
trying
to
understand
what
they're
doing
right.
But,
yes,
we
won't
make
any
decisions
on
that
content.
What.
D
D
A
A
D
P
A
The
requested
special
permit
to
allow
the
permanent
banner
sign
for
the
daycare
center,
which
would
be
affixed
to
the
fence,
is
our
understanding,
but
to
allow
approval
for
the
requested
special
permit
for
a
banner
sign
to
be
erected
for
not
more
than
six
10-day
periods
within
any
calendar
year
and
other
staff
Rex
there
in
all
those
in
favor
of
granting
that
requested
special
permit,
but
denial
of
the
other
requested
special
permit,
raise
your
right
hand
say:
aye
I,
quit
talking.
Okay
motion
carries
5-0
to
carry
out
the
staff
rec,
okay,
Andy.
A
We
try
to
give
you
something
there,
but
I
I
think,
as
things
continue
to
evolve
there.
Perhaps
you
can
come
back
and
see
us
on
some
other
more
permanent
things.
Maybe
okay
keep
up
the
good
work
in
your
community.
You're
welcome,
okay!
That
will
bring
us
to
number
19,
which
is
a
exception
request
at
42,
32,
East,
Madison,
Avenue,.
H
H
H
H
Which
does
not
really
from
staffs
perspective,
fit
into
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
We
do
believe
that
they
can
meet
the
test
for
the
exception
for
the
for
the
area
that
they're
requesting.
However,
we
do
want
any
accessory
building
to
be
constructed
with
materials
that
are
compatible
with
the
existing
dwelling,
including
horizontal
lap,
siding
and
asphalt
shingles.
So
if
you
go
back
to
the
house,
we're
talking
about
the
laps
narrow
lighting,
whether
it's
vinyl,
durable,
vinyl,
cement
or
fiber
cement
board,
wood
is
not
relevant.
H
But
we
do
not
want
the
this
design,
that's
shown
here
with
the
you
know
the
the
vented
or
ribbed
metal
type
surface,
and
we
would
want
to
see
something
more
compatible
in
lieu
of
what
they've
proposed
any
accessory.
Drawing
should
be
constructed.
Compliance
with
applicable
building
codes
with
issuance
of
all
necessary
permits
by
the
permitting
Development
Center
shall
not
be
used
as
a
dwelling
unit
and
shall
not
be
used
in
association
with
the
home-based
business
unless
they
come
back
with
a
separate
special
permit
request.
H
H
H
H
W
Don't
really
have
a
lot
for
us.
I
went
to
the
city,
asked
him
what
I
needed.
What
I
could
build?
They
told
me
I
could
build
a
pole,
barn.
They
told
me
I
had
to
get
engineered
plans.
You
know
they
told
me.
I
could
build
20%
of
my
rear
lot,
which
was
1600
square
feet,
I
knocked
it
down
to
1200,
and
they
said
you
get
all
that
stuff.
You
get
everything
in
line,
bring
it
back
to
me,
we'll
give
you
a
permit.
I
took
engineered
plans
to
them.
W
Did
everything
they
asked
me
to
other
than
when
I
went
to
get
to
permit?
They
told
me
I
had
to
pay
two
hundred
and
forty
dollars
to
come
down
and
talk
to
you
guys
to
see.
If
I
could
go
an
extra
12
or
an
extra
two
hundred
square
feet
because
then
they
took,
then
they
told
me
that
you
had
to
have
an
acre
to
have
this
1,600
or
whatever.
However,.
G
W
W
W
W
W
W
F
W
A
C
W
G
W
A
G
W
C
A
Okay,
okay,
because
usually
when
we
get
into
how
it's
going
to
look
a
lot
of
that
is,
if
somebody
wants
some
exceptions
or
variances
like
like
you
want
to
come
and
get
something
you
normally
can't
get,
then
we
usually
say:
well,
then,
let's
have
you
do
something
that
you
normally
might
not
have
to
do
yeah,
so
that's
where
we
kind
of
sometimes
want
to
ask
people
to
pretty
it
up.
So,
in
other
words,
you
want
something.
A
A
Okay,
we
might
have
some
questions
for
staff
too,
so
all
right,
John,
you
can
go
ahead
and
sit
down
for
a
minute.
Anybody
else
here
to
speak
in
support
of
the
applicant
anybody
here
to
speak
in
opposition.
Seeing
none
do
we
have
any
further
questions
for
staff.
I
might
have
one
question
here.
This
is
just
me,
I,
don't
know
who
wants
to
answer
this,
but
it
sounds
like
John
was
told
he
could
build
the
building
at
the
size
he
initially
wanted
to
and
I
know
when
we
don't
have
this
in
writing.
H
A
H
H
G
D
D
A
A
P
H
H
H
D
R
H
A
P
G
F
J
A
And
staff
is
fine,
granting
the
exception
for
the
size
and
I'm
not
sure
if
staff
knew
he
did
or
didn't
have
the
building
materials
in
hand.
But
if
staff
wants
it
to
be
compatible
with
the
other
structure,
that's
gonna
be
hard
to
do
with
what
he's
got.
So
is
there
a
way
we
could
work,
something
in
where
yeah
I
mean
to
take
you
up
on
that?
Well,
instead
of
one
window,
maybe
puts
two
in
spaces
them
out
and
put
some
colored
shutters
on
him
or
something
I'm
not
trying
to
make
it
to
knit,
because.
A
P
F
D
C
P
G
A
D
B
70
properties
located
on
the
east
side,
I'm,
sorry,
west
side
of
East,
ninth
Street,
just
north
of
the
freeway
south
of
East
University
Avenue.
You
can
see
this
property
on
this
map
that
there's
an
existing
accessory
structure
on
the
property.
There
was
a
single-family
house
here
years
ago,
but
it's
been
developed,
so
this
has
been
a
zoning
violations
kind
of
flown
under
the
radar
for
years.
B
C
B
Shows
what
a
house
would
look
like
I,
don't
believe
that
the
applicant
has
any
intent
of
building
a
house
in
the
near
term,
but
he
can
answer
that.
Here's
a
photo
that
shows
the
existing
garage.
You
can
see
it's
concrete
block.
Walls
has
the
new
roof
on
it
that
they
put
on
earlier
this
here's
another
angle.
C
B
Staff
didn't
believe
that
they
had
demonstrated
the
criteria
necessary
for
granting
the
variance.
We
would
prefer
that
they
immediately
bent
begin
your
the
either
remove
the
garage
or
begin
construction
of
a
single-family
structure
more
immediately,
so
we
have
recommended
denial.
However,
if
the
board
is
inclined
to
grant
the
variance,
then
we
would
recommend
a
temporary
period
up
to
two
years,
which
would
allow
them
to
years
to
either
build
a
single-family
house
or
to
tear
the
garage
down.
A
So
I'm
gonna
wait
in
on
this
one
right
away.
I
know
exactly
where
this
garage
is
I
Drive
by
it
almost
every
day
and
I
was
like
hey
somebody's
fixing
it
up,
that's
cool
so
because
I
work
down
the
street.
So
here's
my
concern.
If
the
garage
was
already
there,
even
though
the
house
was
demolished,
we
usually
don't
make
people
tear
down
an
accessory
structure,
but
I'm,
assuming
did
the
value
of
the
repairs
exceed
a
certain
the
60%
or
because
why
would
we
ever
make
somebody
tear
down
a
building
that
already?
Because.
G
G
A
A
B
P
E
E
B
C
B
A
A
C
O
H
O
A
A
O
G
C
O
At
one
point
there
were
there
was
a
family
living
in
there,
I
guess
and
and
I
think
that
probably
raised
a
lot
of
issues
with
somebody
trying
to
live
in
a
secondary
structure,
but
I
did
repair
the
structure.
I
installed
a
new
roof
on
it.
This
spring
I
bought
it
in
June
and
I've
only
had
it
since
June
and
all
this
stuff
has
happened
between
now
and
then,
but
I
replaced
the
soffits
on
this
place,
the
fascia
scraped,
all
the
peeling
paint
repeated
all
the
siding
cleaned
out.
O
The
garage
I
felt
up
to
40
yard
dumpsters,
with
the
garbage
left
behind
by
these
previous
owners.
The
yard
was
always
in
a
mess.
I
mean
it's.
A
nuisance.
Property
has
been
in
this
neighborhood,
for
you
know
the
past.
Thirty
years
it's
been
a
nuisance
property.
As
far
as
I've
been
told
by
some
of
the
other
neighbors
that
have
lived
there.
I
did.
C
O
But
so
she
told
me
I
did
need
to
pull
a
permit
for
those
for
those
items
that
he
did
fix.
So
I
did
go
down
to
the
zoning
department
and
and
pulled
the
permit
on
911,
but
then
on
919
I
had
scheduled
an
inspection
with
Dan
Adams
with
the
neighborhood
inspection
of
Department
and
he's
the
one
that
I
think
was
dealing
with
a
nuisance
problem
at
the
time.
O
So
I
was
told,
I
need
to
get
in
touch
with
him,
so
I
did
have
a
meeting
scheduled
with
him
and
then
he
calls
me
that
day
and
says:
well,
it's
been
canceled,
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
it,
they're,
taking
it
off
the
demo
list,
so
I'm
thinking
to
myself.
You
know
this
is
good
news,
we're
moving
in
the
right
direction.
This
is
some
good
progress,
but
then
on
924
I
did
get
a
municipal
code
violation
for
allowing
this
structure
to
exist
without
it
without
a
primary
structure
code.
So
basically,
this
inspection
was
dated.
O
O
C
O
O
O
A
O
That's
kind
of
my
plan,
okay,
so
at
that
point,
I
thought
you
know:
I,
don't
have
really
a
whole
lot
of
options
here.
I
have
very
few
days
to
get
anything
done.
So
after
talking
with
the
zoning
guys
are
like
you
know,
you
can
go
in
front
of
the
board
and
get
a
variance.
You
can
stop
this
civil
infraction
thing
and
you
know
you've
cared
about
your
day,
so
so
I
do
I.
Do
agree
that
you
know
this
property
was
a
nuisance.
O
It's
not
now
I,
don't
necessarily
agree
with
the
staffs
recommendation
on
tearing
down
the
structure.
I
feel
that
it's
just
not
really
consistent
with
the
spirit
of
the
zoning
ordinance
I
would
think
that
unique
circumstances
come
up
all
the
time
where
you
know
the
Commission
can
take
note
in
you
know,
rule
and
fairness
on
situations
like
this,
but
you
know
there
are
some
things
that
I
was
kind
of
researching.
O
O
You
know
23
years
ago,
that
was
left
to
be
a
standalone
structure
like
I
said
I'm,
not
looking
at
like
using
it
for
commercial
I
do
want
to
build
a
property
on
it
or
a
house,
and
I
do
have
another
option
with
this
company
that
they
tore
down
the
property
next
door.
You
know
they're
looking
for
more
square
footage
to
build
a
low
income
type
house,
and
she
did
approach
me
about
in
the
property.
We
couldn't
really
come
up
with
a
was
a.
C
O
If
you,
if
you
familiar
with
that
I'm
sure
you
are
I,
want
to
read
about
revitalization
and
and
article
five
here,
talks
about
planning
and
zoning
development
and
resource
management
should
facilitate
the
revitalization
and
establishment
of
town
centers
neighborhoods
by
promoting
development
that
conserves
land,
protects
historic
resources,
promotes
pedestrian
accessibility
and
integrates
different
uses
of
the
property,
so
remediation
and
reuse
of
existing
site
structures
and
infrastructures
is
preferred
over
new
construction
and
undeveloped
areas.
I
mean
that
fits
in
perfect
with
me.
O
I
think
that
you
know
we're
trying
to
reuse
some
of
these
existing
structures
and
not
just
tear
them
down
just
to
have
to
rebuild
them
again.
You
know
it
is
kind
of
a
financial
hardship
on
me.
You
know
I
looked
at
what
it
would
cost
to
tear
this
structure
down
thirty
to
forty
five
or
thirty
to
forty
thousand
dollars
for
demolition
and
debris.
Removal
also,
you
know
only
to
have
to
rebuild
this
garage
because
I
want
to
put
it
back
in
its
place,
which
I
forgot
to
show
these
photos
of
just
wonderful
work.
O
A
O
But
once
again,
back
to
this
smart
planning
guide,
I
think
that
you
know
allowing
the
structure
to
remain,
and
you
know
it's
better.
An
efficient
use
of
current
infrastructure
and
structures
and
not
having
to
tear
it
down.
I
just
think,
is
a.
It
seems
counterintuitive
to
me
not
to
mention
that
you
know
it
seems
unnecessary,
because
you
know
we're
going
to
tear
this
structure
down.
We're
gonna
have
to
rebuild
it
and
all
that
stuff
ends
up
in
Phil.
O
When
this
is
a
perfectly
good
structure,
there
can
be
a
company,
a
nice
house,
and
you
know
it
only
attracts
more
people
to
the
neighborhood.
You
know
Capital
Park
neighborhood
and
the
existing
neighborhood
is
not
in
such
great
shape.
At
all,
I
mean
it's.
It
needs
help.
I
think
so,
I'm
more
happy
to
invest
what
money
I
would
be
more
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
guys
have
and
I
appreciate
your
time.
N
D
O
E
First,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
understand
you
showed
one
or
two
site
plans,
but
just
to
clarify
those
you
pulled
from
the
Internet
there
weren't
anything
that
you
actually
planned
for
this
site.
Specifically.
Is
that
correct
and
then
when
was
it
approximately
that
you
learned
that
you
would
need
to
go
through
this
process
and
you'd
need
to
be
here
today
when.
E
A
And
Kevin
and
looking
at
timelines
and
just
trying
to
add
all
this
up
here,
some
repairs
to
a
structure
do
not
need
a
building
permit
and
some
do
and
obviously,
as
we've
seen
today,
some
people
build
stuff
and
don't
even
get
a
permit,
but
did
did
you
have
a
building
permit
to
put
a
new
gives
her
new
roof
or
anything
like
that.
I.
O
C
O
A
G
A
I
would
hope
that
at
the
permit
center,
then
they
would
have
said
well.
I
can't
really
issue
you
a
building
permit
to
replace
your
roof,
because
it's
it's
now
a
non-conforming
structure,
so
I
just
wanted
to
get
that
square
as
well
and
again,
that's
a
lesson
for
everybody
before
you
start
tearing
into
something
pun
intended
go
check
it
out,
but
you
know
I'm
not
saying
I
want
to
punish
you
for
that.
C
O
C
O
O
A
A
O
A
C
J
J
If
he
would
have
pulled
permits,
it
would
have
been
flagged
at
the
permit
Department
that
there's
some
other
zoning
issues
here.
Daniel
is
not
a
zoning
inspector
he's
a
housing
inspector
and
does
the
the
public
nuisance
I.
Don't
have
any
problem
with
us
standing
there
for
a
period
of
time.
As
long
as
there's
a
house
built
and
that's
the
end
result,
I
told
him
when
he
called
me
on
the
phone
about
the
nuisance.
J
I
said:
probably,
when
you
go
down
to
the
pool
permit
for
the
repairs,
you
did
you're
probably
going
to
get
a
notice,
because
there's
a
zoning
violation
here
too
so
I
tried
to
give
them
a
heads-up
that
that
that
could
not
stand
there
as
an
accessory
structure
without
a
primary
I.
Don't
have
any
problem
working
out
a
solution
as
long
as
it
doesn't
stand
there
for
the
next
two
years
and
then
still
nothing
has
happened
to
get
a
primary
structure
on
this
site.
J
J
R
N
N
G
J
O
J
A
A
A
H
A
A
D
A
You
know
it
does
take
financing
and
planning
and
etc.
I'd
probably
say
that
he
needs
to
take
out
a
building
permit
within
two
years
and
I
think
that's
the
intent
of
the
minor
suggestion,
as
staff
put
it
here,
construction
being
commenced
to
me.
If
somebody
takes
out
a
building,
permit
I
think
that
that
would
count
you.
J
J
F
A
A
F
A
D
A
E
C
A
On
the
record,
okay
I
think
that's
clear
motion
by
Linn
was
there
a
second
by
Cindy?
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
of
granting
the
temporary
variance,
raise
your
right
hand
say.
Aye.
All
right
motion
carries
5-0,
okay,
the
best
we
could
for
you
on
that.
One
keep
investing
in
that
Capital
Park
neighborhood!
That's
a
turn-of-the-century,
neighborhood
I
think
it's
got
plenty
of
potential.
It
just
needs
tip
the
balance
in
the
right
direction
and
you're
helping
to
do
that.
Thank
you,
okay.
B
B
A
B
A
Motion
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
aye
5-0
same
for
the
minutes
of
last
meeting.
If
you
hear
last
month,
any
comments
or
a
motion
to
approve
okay.
Is
there
a
second
second
by
Dave,
all
those
in
favor
who
here
last
month,
raised
right
and
say
aye,
one,
two,
three,
four:
that's
a
4-0
got
it
Bert.
Okay,
this
hearing
is
adjourned.