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Des Moines City Council meeting on Monday, April 22, 2019 in Des Moines, Iowa.
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A
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Let
me
quickly
read
this
special
recognition
certificate
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines
issues.
This
certificate,
a
special
recognition
to
the
Grandview
Christian
class,
1-a
boys,
basketball,
state
champions
and
head
coach
Dave
Stubbs
Grandview
Christian
boys
team
defeated
a
Burnett
in
the
championship
game
to
win
their
third
consecutive
state
1a
state
championship.
The
Thunder
beat
the
Pirates
in
the
class
1a
championship
game
to
cap
a
26
in
one
season.
B
So
to
the
players
in
the
staff
who
all
worked
so
hard
into
the
parents
by
the
way
that
persevered
and
supported
them
all
the
way
through
the
season
not
only
this
year,
but
for
the
last
three
years
and
by
the
way
we
you
better
find
some
some
new
players
we're
expecting
another
one
all
right.
So
the
City
of
Des
Moines
joins
in
recognizing
congratulating
the
Grandview
Christian
boys,
basketball
team
for
your
class
1a
basketball
state
championship
and
presented
on
this
22nd
day
of
April
2019.
Let's
all
give
my.
C
B
B
We've
got
a
very
special
day
today
and
I'm
gonna,
let
David
read
it
off
and
then
we
get
a
proclamation
do
to
follow,
and
I
will
do
that.
But
I
want
you
to
bring
not
only
all
your
staff
up
but
I
think
we've
got
a
number
of
folks
that
are
going
to
assist
in
planning,
'z
and
other
things.
If
we
can
bring
the
whole
team
up,
I
see
some
that
I
even
recognize
back
here.
D
D
D
E
Hi
there
I'm
Shane
McCullen
with
the
city
forestry
department.
This
is
a
third
year
of
giving
away
tiny
trees,
I
hope.
You've
all
ordered
yours.
The
first
year
was
about
6,000
seekin
years
7,000,
and
this
year
we'll
be
giving
away
nine
thousand
trees.
This
Saturday,
with
the
help
of
volunteers
and
boy.
D
D
F
She
also
as
part
of
tree
keepers
and
helps
all
of
the
tree
keepers
out.
There.
She's
helped
with
the
externs
that
we've
had
that
are
helping
for
the
master
plan,
and
she
also
has
put
together
numerous
presentations
conferences
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines,
and
we're
just
so
honored
to
congratulate
you
that
today,
you're
an
outstanding
volunteer
and
the
City
of
Des
Moines
recognizes
you,
and
so
does
the
iowa
urban
tree
council.
D
All
righty
this
year
we
started
a
brand-new
program.
This
is
hot
off
the
press.
It's
called
growing
futures,
it's
with
our
key
partner
trees
forever
and
to
explain
that
program
to
us
is
their
freshly
minted
newly
hired
growing
futures
coordinator,
Kerry
Sorel.
Please
come
and
tell
us
about
growing
futures.
H
D
B
Faria
but
it's
wondering
she's,
my
granddaughter,
so
this
is
Miss
Natalie
Locke
and
we're
glad
to
have
her
down
she's
going
to
be
part
of
planting
trees
this
year.
So
you
start
them
young,
you
know
and
then
we'll
have
a
lot
of
trees
by
the
time
she
gets
our
age
right.
So
any
rate
proclamation
reads
as
follows:
des
moines
strives
to
maintain
a
healthy
natural
environment
for
its
citizens
and
its
guests.
B
Trees
now,
therefore
I
the
mayor
and
behalf
of
our
City
Council
and
the
citizens
Des
Moines,
do
hereby
proclaim
Friday
April,
26
2019
is
Arbor
Day
and
urged
the
citizens
of
Des
Moines
to
recognize
Arbor
Day
and
to
support
efforts
to
plant,
maintain
and
celebrate
our
urban
trees
in
Woodlands.
Let's
give
all
these
people
a
great
faces.
I
I
B
Is
all
the
the
our
tree
forces
are
leaving
I
want
to
thank
them
again,
but
I
also
want
to
thank
our
Parks
Department.
We,
we
have
a
great
set
of
parks
in
and
around
des
moines.
We've
got
a
lot
of
trails
that
so
many
people
use
every
single
year
and
we
keep
working
on
them.
Expanding
them
and
one
of
the
events
that
helped
support,
that
is
the
the
mayor's
write
and
run,
and
this
year
I'll
tell
you.
B
We
started
at
the
ballpark
Saturday
and
we
had
a
great
event
and
I
think
we're
seeing
some
of
it
up
here.
You're
just
seeing
a
piece
of
it,
because
a
major
part
of
the
other
group
was
towards
the
north.
Here's
the
dream
team.
Here
we
are
just
about
ready
to
kick
it
off.
We
had
some
of
our
council
down,
linda
Westergaard
and
chris
coleman
both
were
down,
they
were
participants
and
linda,
did
pretty
well
riding
along.
I
didn't
do
quite
as
well.
B
B
And
some
of
those
are
all
these
people
in
the
media
that
follow
runs
and
these
people
that
think
they
want
to
be
the
next
leader
of
the
free
world
and
they
come
in
to
Des
Moines
and
see
all
the
great
things
that
have
been
happening
over
the
last
number
of
three
to
four
year
cycles
that
they
they
get
to
see
it.
So
it's
a
sort
of
an
interesting
window
and
one
of
the
things
we
get
great
great
pleasure
in
presenting
and
pride
in
having
is
our
trail
system
in
our
parks
so
quickly
quickly.
J
J
And
these
events
can't
be
done
without
great
sponsors,
as
you
might
guess,
our
biking
community
likes
to
stop
and
have
a
refreshment
along
the
way.
So
the
three
sponsors
are
confluence
brewery
triangle
tap
and
captain
Roy.
So
we
want
to
thank
them
for
their
sponsorships
to
help
hold
this
proceeds
together
and
we'll
keep
working
and
the
Iowa
Cubs
was
our
host
sponsor.
So
thank
you
and
we're
at
63
miles
of
paved
trail.
We've
got
a
lot
of
connections
are
still
make
and
with
help
like
this,
we'll
get
more
done.
B
And
for
all
those
that
are
wondering,
Mike
Gardner
always
asked
me
to
say
this
and
that
there
are
still
tickets
available
if
anybody
needs
its
ticket
to
a
ballgame.
So
thank
them
for
their
participation
and
support
and
it
was
a
great
place
to
start
the
event
and
we
kicked
it
off
and
moved
out
from
there,
and
it
was
a
great
day.
The
weather
was
wonderful,
so
we're
looking
for
more
participation
next
year.
So
everybody
write
it
down
all
right.
K
G
B
Okay,
all
right
welcome
to
our
April
22nd
the
morning
City
Council
meeting
we
want
to
thank
you
all
for
coming.
We
did
our
proclamations.
So
thank
you
for
your
patience
in
that,
but
we
are
really
proud
of
this
city
and
some
of
the
things
that
everybody
works
towards
to
make
this
this
place
a
great
place
to
be
and
congratulate
those
who
have
had
great
success
in
and
around
and
our
citizens
for
des
Moines,
who
did
such
a
great
job,
in
this
case
our
basketball
team,
so
we're
Joe.
B
He
has
a
son
that
participated
on
that
team
too.
All
right
and
but
any
rate
were
we're
proud
of
all
the
winners
and
wanted
to
congratulate
them.
So,
prior
to
our
starting,
the
council
meeting
we're
gonna
have
a
quick
message
from
our
own
councilmember,
linda
Westergaard,
linda.
He
wants
to
stand
or
do.
L
Because
it
was
Earth
Day,
we
would
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
Earth
Day
has
been
celebrated
every
year
since
1970
on
the
fourth
Monday
in
April
and
getting
ready
for
today's
meeting.
I
spent
a
little
time
looking
into
the
history
of
Earth,
Day
and
thought
others
might
find.
Some
of
this
interesting
Gaylord
Nelson
was
the
Governor
of
Wisconsin
from
1958
to
1962,
where
he
earned
a
national
reputation
as
the
conservation
governor
by
starting
popular
programs
to
clean
up
waterways,
protect
natural
resources
and
create
green
jobs.
L
His
experience
as
governor
convinced
him
that
there
was
broad
bipartisan
interest
in
Pollution
Control
conservation
efforts
and
recreational
development.
When
he
was
elected
to
the
US
Senate
in
1962,
he
was
hopeful
that
he
could
influence
President,
Kennedy
and
Congress
to
take
up
the
cause
of
preserving
and
improving
the
environment.
He
worked
closely
with
President
Kennedy,
who
in
1963
began
Elevens
an
11
state
tour
that
was
intended
to
address
environmental
dangers
that
threaten
the
u.s..
He
was
disappointed
to
find.
No
one
was
really
very
interested.
L
The
press
focused
all
their
questions
on
foreign
policy
and
the
public
who
attended
the
rallies
just
didn't
seem
to
care
about
the
environment
instead
of
giving
up,
Senator
Nelson
came
up
with
a
new
strategy.
Inspired
by
the
campus
activism
of
the
late
1960s,
he
employed
a
team
of
experienced
students
to
help
him
respond
to
the
media
and
overwhelming
public
excitement
for
a
national
day
on
the
environment,
however,
Nelson
insisted
the
first
earth
day's
activities
be
created
not
by
organizers
in
Washington
by
but
by
individuals
and
groups
in
their
own
communities.
L
As
a
result
of
this
empowering
and
vision,
one
in
10
Americans
participated
in
the
first
Earth
Day
dry
and
extensive
attention
from
the
media
and
jump-starting
an
era
of
bold
environmental
legislation.
In
the
words
of
Senator
Nelson,
I
quote.
If
we
could
tap
into
the
environmental
concerns
of
the
general
public
and
infused
the
student
anti-war
energy
into
the
environmental
cause,
we
could
generate
a
demonstration
that
would
force
the
issue
onto
the
national
political
agenda.
L
Nelson's
decision
to
leave
Earth
Day
to
the
grassroots
proved
genius
exceeding
their
wildest
expectations,
Nelson
and
his
staff
estimated
20
million
Americans
from
10,000
10,000.
Elementary
and
high
school
schools,
2,000
colleges
in
over
a
hundred
communities
took
action
on
April
22nd
1970,
the
students
lent
the
day
a
unique
spirit.
It
did
not
draw
out
only
the
young
labor
union
members
housewives,
farmers,
scientists
and
politicians
of
all
stripes
from
Barry
Goldwater
to
Edward
Kennedy
made
up
the
most
mosaic
of
faces
in
Earth
Day
crowds.
L
B
The
DNR
told
us
to
then
take
the
nitrates
that
we
put
out
of
the
water
back
into
the
water
and
wanted
us
to
be
permitted
to
do
that
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
think
we
got
sort
of
admonished
by
some
of
the
folks
around
the
state
for
doing
that,
even
though
we
were
required
to
do
that.
As
of
today,
we
turned
on
the
facility
to
instead
of
putting
it
straight
back
in
the
water.
B
We
now
have
constructed
a
pipe
and
a
facility
to
take
that
that
wastewater
and
that
waste
product
and
put
it
through
the
metro
waste
they're,
not
metal,
whites,
but
their
wastewater
recovery
deal.
So
we
sent
it
down
to
the
WRA
and
treated
because
our
staff
and
our
city,
we
felt
that
that
really
wasn't
a
good
symbol.
This
is
all
about
downstream.
B
We
don't
want
to
Beach
to
treat
anybody
downstream
from
us
any
differently
than
we
would
hope
that
the
people
upstream
from
us
would
treat
us
and
let's
all
work,
to
improve
our
water,
and
so
thanks
to
the
WRA,
the
Des
Moines
waterworks
and
the
City
Council
for
standing
up
to
to
try
to
make
it
better
and
serve
all
of
Iowans.
So
I
just
wanted
everybody
to
know
that
we
turn
the
switch
on
about
one
o'clock
today.
So
what.
B
M
B
B
Item
to
is
approving
the
agenda
as
presented
and/or
as
amended
the
consent
agenda.
I
item
4a
for
app
was
withdrawn.
The
inspections
are
incomplete,
7c
was
withdrawn
by
the
City
Engineer
for
further
study.
19
is
corrected,
its
roll
call,
24
roll
call
and
counts
communication
number
19,
187
and
item
48
was
withdrawn
at
the
request
of
mr.
Hayworth,
but
with
those.
B
K
B
No
I,
so
just
so,
everyone
knows
item
4,
J,
councilmember
Gray
wishes
to
speak
by
the
way
our
consent
agenda
items
are
items
that
are
generally
taken.
Is
one
one
vote
and
wouldn't
be
discussed
unless
either
a
member
of
the
council
or
a
member
of
the
audience
has
to
have
one
or
more
to
be
pulled
to
answer
questions
or
or
get
some
specific
additional
information
on
again
item
4
J,
councilmember
gray
wishes
to
speak
item
or
H&I
councilmember
God
Oh
we'll
probably
abstain
and
has
a
conflict
item.
B
4L
+,
NP,
council
member
Coleman
votes,
no
item;
5
Gatto
wishes
to
speak
item
6,
I,
vote,
no
item,
23,
council,
member
gray,
votes,
no
item;
26
customer
Mandelbaum
wishes
to
speak
item.
29
councilmember
Gatto
wishes
to
speak
at
him.
30
councilmember
Mandelbaum
wishes
to
speak
in
item
34
councilmember
godoh
wishes
to
speak.
Are
there
any
other
items
that
anyone
would
like
to
have
pulled
for
further
discussion
or
clarification?
I.
K
B
N
B
P
C
B
K
K
O
Q
Q
Because
this
this
project
was
was
affordable
before,
but
it
was
substandard,
affordable
housing-
and
this
is
a
really
good
example
of
just
because
something
is
affordable,
doesn't
mean
it
needs
to
be
substandard
and
we're
really
providing
good
workforce
options
with
this
project
and
that's
encouraging.
The
other
piece
is:
there's
agreement
to
look
at
the
energy
efficiency
programs
and
make
this
building
more
efficient
as
it's
being
renovated,
and
that's
a
in
my
mind.
Another
positive
and
appreciate
the
the
developers
willingness
to
work
on
that
and
so
I'm
excited
to
see
this
project
go
forward.
O
B
K
Mayor,
thank
you
pretty
much.
Every
related
issue
to
this
policy
I
voted
no
on
and
so
I
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
the
staff
and
engineering
and
traffic
for
forgetting
it
right.
I
think
this
is
a
good
policy.
I
believe
it
will
help
with
development,
we're
not
requiring
things
that
we
were
requiring
and
the
amount
of
money
that
we're
requiring
before
so
Steve
good
work
by
you
and
your
team
and
I.
Thank
you
for
that.
I
will
move
item
29.
N
Q
N
B
K
You,
mr.
mayor,
any
time
the
the
city
gets
a
donation
I,
don't
think
it
should
ever
go
on
the
consent
agenda.
So
that's
why
I
pulled
it
off.
This
is
a
fifteen
thousand
dollar
donation
by
the
central
Iowa
trails
Association
for
construction
of
a
mountain
bike
canoeing
park,
so
I
just
wanted
to
call
give
them
a
shout
out,
then
shout
out
to
you
and
your
team
for
working
with
them
with
the
parks
department
and
just
appreciate
all
the
hard
work
that
goes
into
doing
things
like
that.
N
O
Q
K
That
being
said,
in
I'm,
in
support
of
dropping
the
hearing,
obviously
I
would
just
have
to
say
that
I'm
disappointed
that
we
haven't,
we
haven't
reached
out
to
Des
Moines
you
or
they
haven't
reached
out
to
us
and
continue
some
talks
with
them
about
the
relocation
bid.
So
maybe
maybe
we
can
refer
that
to
the
city
manager
a
part
of
this,
and
maybe
you
and
a
few
council
members
can
sit
down
with
them
and
and
refer
that
back
to
to
the
city
manager,
to
set
something
like
that
up.
It
would
be
nice.
K
Q
The
motion
yeah
and
let
me
just
a
a
couple
of
things-
I
know
that
the
city
manager
has
reached
out
and
has
offered
to
sit
down
and
have
those
conversations
so
I
think
it's
perfectly
appropriate
to
continue
those
conversations
and
make
that
part
of
the
motion,
but
I
know
that
there
are
efforts
that
have
been
made
and
if
there
are
folks
out
there
that
are
saying
that
the
city
and
I
will
also
say
I've
reached
out
as
well.
Although
I
have
not
sat
down
with
them.
Q
If
there
are
folks
out
there
that
are
saying
the
city
has
not
reached
out
to
have
those
conversations
that
appreciate
it.
If
folks
would
correct
that
record,
we're
absolutely
willing
to
sit
down
with
with
the
folks
at
DM,
you
and
and
I
know
that
that
has
been
communicated
in
several
different
ways
and
will
continue
to
be
willing
to
work
collaboratively
and
I.
Q
Q
O
N
B
Item
52
is
on
the
2019
citywide
PCC
pavement
restoration
program
resolution,
improving
the
plans,
specifications,
form
of
contract
documents
and
engineers,
essman
designating
the
lowest
responsible
bidder
as
TK
concrete
Tony,
J
Vermeer
president
one
hundred
and
ninety
four
thousand
eight
hundred
and
seventy-five
dollars
council
communication
number
19
182
a
is
approving
the
contract
and
bond
and
permission
to
sublet,
let's
open
the
hearing.
Is
there
anyone
here
to
speak
on
this
item?
Item
52
I.
N
R
B
B
S
This
year
is
the
57th
year
since
Rachel
Carson
published
her
seminal
New
York
Times
bestseller
Silent
Spring.
That
was
the
impetus
for
the
birth
of
the
movement
toward
people's
awareness
of
the
critical
condition
of
manmade,
environmental
degradation
that
awareness
led
in
1972,
the
designation
of
April
22nd
as
Earth
Day,
which
one
year
from
today
will
mark
50
years
of
advocacy
for
the
clean
sustainable
world
for
all
of
Earth's
inhabitants.
S
We
cannot
claim
to
be
champions
of
sustainable
practices,
while
continuing
to
advocate
for
the
ecologically
unsound
ground
cover
turf
grass,
the
maintenance
of
which
has
contributed
heavily
to
today's
climate
crisis
and
ecological
destruction.
I
have
the
utmost
respect
for
our
firefighters.
Thirty
years
ago,
the
garage
of
my
attached
house
was
struck
by
lightning
causing
a
fire.
The
firefighters
arrived
and
saved
the
house,
the
garage
structure
and
with
their
quick
professional
action.
All
that
was
lost
or
even
damaged,
was
the
contents
stored
in
the
garage
and
its
door.
S
S
Nor
can
we
continue
to
permit
the
spreading
of
toxic
chemicals
to
maintain
grass
and
other
plants
in
the
city's
parking
strip,
endangering
rivers,
lakes,
oceans
in
the
plant
and
animal
species
that
live
in
all
of
our
water
bodies.
Ultimately,
the
chemical
runoff
from
this
sensitive
curbside
area
also
results
in
the
contamination
of
our
drinking
water.
I
realize
that
prohibiting
the
use
of
chemicals
on
city
property
will
result
in
cries
of
outrage
by
the
purveyors
of
these
poisons,
but
we
are
way
past
the
time
when
every
single
one
of
us
must
say
enough
is
enough.
S
We
have
another
point
of
concern,
and
that
is
the
discrepancy
and
terminology
between
the
proposed
cold
and
the
synopsis
of
that
code.
The
synopsis
says
that
no
planning's
may
obstruct
the
sidewalk
while
the
code
that
will
be
enforced
uses.
The
word
encroach
according
to
Webster
encroach
is
to
move
beyond
usual
limits.
S
Obstruct
is
to
block
passage.
No
one
wants
the
sidewalks
obstructed,
but
six
inches
of
a
plant
encroaching
on
the
sidewalk
does
nothing
to
block
or
hinder
free
passage.
The
alternative
to
limited
encroachment
is
sidewalks
covered
in
eroded
mud
every
time
the
rain
falls.
We
recommend
that
the
word
obstruct
as
used
in
the
synopsis
also
be
used
in
the
proposed
code.
If
you
will
pardon
a
slight
crudité,
it
has
been
said
and
said
well
that
the
human
species
is
the
only
species
that
craps
in
its
own
nest.
S
With
that
in
mind,
I
urge
that
we
return
to
the
drawing
board
to
consider
appropriate
and
responsible
low-growing
ground
covers
as
alternatives
to
turf
grass
to
surround
fire
hydrants,
to
move
to
prohibit
toxic
chemical
fertilizers
and
pesticides
in
parking
strips
and
to
allow
slight
encroachment
of
sidewalk
bordering
plants.
I
want
to
sincerely
thank
everyone
who
has
labored
on
this
revision
thanks
to
their
work,
we've
moved
in
a
positive
direction,
but
there
is
still
some
work
to
be
done
to
have
a
truly
forward-thinking
code
in
line
with
21st
century
realities.
S
B
N
B
Item
43
amending
chapter
114,
the
Mizpah
code
regarding
parking
rates
for
the
city
parking
garages
and
allow
nighttime
rooftop
parking
at
the
East
second
parking
garage
council
communication,
number
19,
176,
hey
it's
the
final
consideration,
the
ordinance
above
the
waiver
is
requested
by
the
deputy
city
manager
and
requires
six
votes.
Let's
open
the
hearing
and
see
what
anyone
has
to
say
about
this
anything
any
comments
about
parking
at
the
East,
2nd,
Avenue
or
2nd
parking
garage.
I
K
T
T
We're
also
going
to
list
a
test
for
capacity
on
that
rooftop
as
well
to
see
how
okay,
the
employees
that
are
parking
up
there,
how
that
how
the
flow
of
parking
and
traffic
works
with
having
residents
commingled
on
that
roof,
and
we
think
it'll
go
fine
at
the
25,
even
if
they
take
the
full
25
and
there's
you
know
we
think
there's
room
for
10
more.
You
know
perfect,
we
might
reach
out
to
others.
If.
N
B
44,
whose
amending
chapter
114
Obispo
code
regarding
issuance
of
special
parking
permits,
council
communication,
number
19
178
as
a
final
consideration,
an
ordinance
above
the
waiver
is
requested
by
the
city
manager
and
requires
six
votes
and
B
is
approving
a
street
use
event
on
street
parking
rate
policy.
Let's
go
ahead
and
open
this
and
see.
If
there's
anyone
here
to
speak
about
this
special
parking
permits.
K
Mr.
mayor
just
question/comment
speaking
with
Scott
before
he
had
to
leave,
there
is
some
questions
a
little
bit
of
concern
with
the
with
the
event
street
parking
and
I
believe
that
Scott
wants
to
have
a
conversation
with
a
few
of
the
the
main
festival
folks
to
make
sure
they're
comfortable.
So
if,
if,
if,
if
you
would
be
okay
with
just
me,
moving
the
first
reading
and
not
and
not
item
a
I
would
be
willing
to
to
do
that.
K
K
R
A
hundred
percent
agreement
and
I
was
happy
that
we
had
a
conversation
about
how
to
price
these
I'd
venture
to
say
your
families
are
like
mine.
If
you
have
families
that
live
in
the
suburbs
or
outside
of
the
city,
Des
Moines
in
central
Iowa,
they're
more
than
likely
coming
to
Des
Moines
for
some
not-for-profit
visiting
people
at
the
hospital
going
to
church,
going
to
a
festival
downtown
going
to
the
Civic,
Center
or
principal
Park
and
I
think
these
festivals
draw
as
many
people
as
any
so
I.
R
Think
I
think
we
have
to
consider
that
when
we
set
the
the
the
rate
and
I
saw
some
communication
back
and
forth,
probably
the
whole
council
did
you
refer
to
cutting
it
down
to
25
percent
cost
the
city
X
number
of
dollars.
But
the
truth
is
we've
never
done
this
before
so,
whatever
we
charge
is
going
to
be
a
hundred
percent
more
than
we
had
before
and
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
talking
about
the
whole
equation,
I.
So.
C
K
That's
exactly
where
I
was,
but
then
I've
come
to
find
out
that
we
have
cut
some
of
like
the
blue
ribbon.
Grand
blue
Mile,
their
rate
actually
was
cut
also
from
what
they
paid
last
year.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
getting
this
right
and
we
do
the
right
thing.
So
I
think
that's
where
that
on
the
blue
letter,
where
we've
lost
some
revenue
is
where
that
was
coming
from
so
I
think
we
just
need
to
have
just
a
little
bit
more
discussion
about
that.
U
R
K
N
B
Item
45
submitting
chapter
114
misspell
code
regarding
pedestrian
safety
and
use
of
medians.
Here's
a
final
consideration.
The
ordinance
above
the
waivers
requested
by
the
city
manager
requires
six
votes.
Let's
go
ahead
and
see
if
there's
anyone
to
speak
on
this
item
again.
These
are
medians
regarding
pedestrian
safety.
P
K
O
R
As
as
we
see,
data
where
this
is
working
and
keeping
people
safer
is,
is
there
gonna
be
the
opportunity
to
expand
the
list?
I
mean
I,
I
looked
at
it
and
I
thought
I
did.
This
is
an
intersection
that
concerns
me.
I
shared
some
with
you.
How
will
we
approach
that
going
forward
to
make
sure
that
we
have
lists
of
the
intersections
that
are
that
appear
to
us
or
others
that
complain
about
having
the
biggest
safety
issues
since.
R
U
I,
it
would
be,
empirically-based,
obviously
have
to
be
based
on
engineering
Sanders
national
standards
as
well.
So
we
will
have
to
take
into
account
where
anyone
mentions
a
particular
accident
or
particular
problem
at
a
particular
intersection
and
see
if
there
is
a
regulation
that
would
present
itself
that
would
promote
and
enhance
the
public
safety
in
testing
safety.
So
don't
don't
know
whether
or
not
that
that
will
happen,
but
that
would
have
to
be
empirically,
as
you
mentioned,
councilman
lyrically
driven
data,
and
that
would
be
analyzed
by
your
professional
staff
of
engineers.
M
O
B
So
can
we
kind
of
see
it
show
of
hands
who
all
wants
to
speak?
So
we
got
one
now
I
want
to
make
sure
we
love
all
the
information
we're
going
to
put
it
into
the
record,
but
hopefully
everybody's
got
kind
of
a
lot
of
different
new
ideas
if
I've
been
repeating,
but
this
is
important
work,
but
nevertheless
we
want
to
make
comment,
we're
not
repeating
each
other
and
we
get
lots
of
new
information
and
I'll.
Ask
our
first
speaker
to
step
up
with
name
and
address
please.
Q
B
V
B
V
My
name
is
karellen
Yulin,
hake,
Walker
I
live
at
41
11
Ingersoll
Avenue.
Yesterday,
I
took
a
walk
and
when
I
got
home,
I
wrote
these
thoughts
down.
It's
called
my
thoughts
on
a
spring
day
as
I
won.
I
see
green
grass.
A
deep
blue
sky,
bright,
yellow,
daffodils,
amazing
leaves
are
popping
out.
Songbirds
are
singing
and
insects
buzzing
climate
change
really
really
it's
so
deceptive,
so
insidious.
Is
there
really
a
climate
crisis
here?
V
V
So
what
do
we
do?
How
do
we
start?
The
first
stop
is
to
stop
using
fossil
fuels.
The
best
way,
the
cheapest
way,
is
to
use
less
energy.
What
I
mean
energy
efficiency?
Of
course
you,
the
City
Council,
can
do
this
for
the
people
of
Des
Moines
through
a
strong
energy,
efficient,
ordinance
right
here.
Right
now,.
W
Hello,
my
name
is
Jorden,
oyster
and
I
live
at
2200,
36th,
Street
and
I
am
with
the
Iowa
Environmental
Council
I
am
the
energy
outreach
coordinator.
The
Iowa
Environmental
Council
is
a
policy
and
advocacy
based
nonprofit
here
in
Des
Moines
and
first
I
would
like
to
present
to
the
council
mayor
a
letter
signed
by
a
dozen
businesses
and
organizations
in
support
of
the
city
of
pursuing
this
building
performance
policy.
W
Please
allow
me
to
read
the
names
these
local
supporters
that
include
energy
service
businesses,
organized
labor
and
sustainability,
focus
groups,
the
energy
group,
national,
retrofitting
group,
LLC
green
light,
Renewable
Services
heat
and
frost,
insulators,
local
74
de
Moines,
sis
and
Task
Force
on
sustainability,
citizens,
climate
Lobby,
a
Des
Moines
chapter
Iowa,
environmental
council,
Iowa
interfaith
Power,
&,
Light,
Environmental,
Law
and
Policy
Center
interfaith
green
coalition,
1,000
friends
of
Iowa
and
the
Women's
Air
National
League
for
peace
and
freedom.
I
will
pass
those
around
all.
C
W
Now,
speaking,
only
on
behalf
of
the
Iowa
environmental
counts,
I'd
like
to
add
a
few
comments
about
the
ordinance
we're
here
at
the
Iowa
Environmental
Council
has
participated
in
the
policy
development
process
and
has
been
with
building
a
community
support
and
awareness
for
this
ordinance.
We
know
this
policy
will
save
millions
of
kilowatt
hours
of
energy
and
billions
of
galerie
gallons
of
water
by
the
end
of
the
decade.
W
We're
excited
that
the
city
is
pursuing
is
preparing
to
take
this
step,
and
this
is
the
step
that
will
move
the
Des
Moines
building
stock
into
the
21st
century.
Such
a
policy
is
being
pursued
by
a
growing
number
cities
across
the
United
States,
and
something
like
this
could
also
make
Des
Moines
a
peak
and
to
other
Iowa
City
is
looking
to
be
more
sustainable.
When
we
increase
efficiency,
we
lower
energy
use.
That
means
utilities
don't
have
to
invest
in
more
expensive
power
plants
to
meet
demand.
W
Energy
efficiency
is
the
cheapest
source
of
energy,
because
it's
energy
that
you
don't
need
to
produce
in
the
first
place.
Benchmarking
is
a
tool
that
will
help
building
managers
better
understand
how
a
property
uses
resources.
Compare
it
to
similar
types
of
buildings,
the
average
building
they
waste
up
to
30%
of
the
energy
it
consumes
due
to
in
efficiencies
often
dividual
companies
aren't
aware
that
their
buildings
are
inefficient
or
that
potential
savings
could
be.
We
here.
You
may
hear
this
phrase
a
few
times
tonight,
but
you
can't
manage
what
you
don't
measure.
W
The
knowledge
created
by
benchmarking
helps
building
managers
prioritize
energy
actions
IEC.
We
welcome
the
requirement
that
benchmarking
be
mandatory,
but
also
view
it
as
a
first
step.
Buildings
with
the
lowest
energy
efficiency
scores
have
the
largest
opportunity
to
reap
significant
returns
on
energy
improvement
investments.
That's
why
the
Iowa
environmental
council
hopes
you'll,
keep
performance,
verification
on
your
radar,
whether
that's
now
or
in
the
future,
when
people
are
more
comfortable.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
X
Good
afternoon
Council
and
happy
Earth
Day,
my
name
is
Sheila
canola
odelay
I'm
in
a
local
attorney
and
I
have
been
part
of
the
process
of
crafting
this
ordinance.
For
the
last
year,
I've
been
volunteering
on
the
energy
policy
Advisory
Committee,
and
we
looked
at
a
lot
of
different
plans.
We
looked
at
what
a
lot
of
different
cities
are
doing
and
I
would
like
to.
X
Thank
you
all,
because
what
we
are
considering
today
is
really
the
first
step
of
a
climate
action
plan,
and
you
all
know
we
have
a
small
window
of
time
to
act
on
this.
So
I
commend
you
for
considering
this
I
would
like
to
encourage
you
to
make
it
as
strong
as
you
possibly
can
to
make
it
mandatory,
because
volunteerism
doesn't
work
or
we
wouldn't
have
such
bad
water
in
Iowa
and
in
Des
Moines,
and
also
because
making
it
required
of
the
affected.
X
Buildings
creates
a
level
playing
field
for
those
business
owners
and,
as
Jordan
pointed
out,
30%
of
the
energy
and
water
that
they
use
is
being
wasted.
That's
contributing
to
the
problem,
so
I
want
to
encourage
you
to
help
find
ways
to
help
these
business
owners
who
want
to
do
this,
find
ways
to
maybe
cost
share
or
something
these
energy
improvements,
because
it's
important
for
all
of
us
and
so,
as
you
know,
we're
getting
towards
the
ends
of
the
day.
The
end
of
Earth
Day.
X
Y
Y
When
we
look
at
the
share
of
buildings
that
are
being
targeted
here,
there's
819
building
buildings-
that's
only
1.2
percent
of
the
owners
in
Des,
Moines
and
I'll
point
out
that
those
owners
are
already
paying
a
heavy
tax
burden
on
the
city.
The
city
is
is
reliant
on
these
building
owners
for
these
taxes,
and
this
is
going
to
make
it
hard
harder
for
these
building
owners
to
pay
taxes
here.
So
we're
only
talking
about
1.2
percent
of
building
owners
and
I
hear
in
some
of
these
meetings.
Y
I
hear
that
as
a
benefit
that
the
council
members
are
talking
about.
When
really
it
is
a
negative.
You
are
not
fairly
applying
this
program
to
all
it's
only
1.2
percent
of
the
owners.
If
we're
looking
at
what
this
looks
like
the
the
it's
36%
of
the
total
square
footage
in
Des
Moines,
so
that
1.2
equals
that
36%
and
I
know
we're
throwing
a
lot
of
numbers
at
you.
So
so
here's
the
city
stated
goal
and
it's
a
good
goal,
reduce
greenhouse
gases.
I
think
we
all
agree
with
that.
Y
Y
So
that's
not
my
tenants,
they're
not
involved
in
the
program,
so
they're
not
going
to
decrease
their
energy
use.
The
commercial
tenants
are
going
to
increase
decrease
their
energy
use
because
they're
paying
their
own
bills,
so
why
would
they
so
you're
only
getting
a
sliver
of
those
large
owners
so
that
cuts
that
three
percent
on
average
down
to
one
percent?
Y
So
when
we
take
those
together,
what
it
does
is
it
to
20%,
so
you're
gonna,
put
on
20%
of
the
buildings,
you're
gonna
ask
them
to
reduce
their
greenhouse
gases
by
28%,
it's
impossible.
It's
impossible!
You'd
have
to
release.
Building
owners
would
have
to
reduce
their
energy
output
or
their
greenhouse
gases
by
a
hundred
thirty
eight
percent
and
I.
Y
Don't
know
how
that's
even
possible
unless
we
buy
some
large
carbon
sequestration
machines
and
I
assume
those
are
pretty
fast,
are
pretty
expensive.
So
so
this
whole
thing
has
been
listed
as
a
no
cost
to
the
city,
no
cost
to
building
owners.
I've
spent
personally
ten
hours
trying
to
get
our
data
and
I've
sat
with
your
energy
expert
to
input
this
data
into
the
system.
So
for
ten
hours
we've
got
nothing,
it's
not
ready.
Y
Nobody
has
looked
at
this
for
multiple
tenant
buildings,
it
has
not
been
tested,
and
so
mid-american
gave
us
data
and
that
data
need
and
I,
don't
think
I'm
a
dullard
and
your
energy
expert
could
not
figure
out
how
to
get
this
in.
There's
not
slots
to
put
all
those
all
those
inputs
in
to
the
program
that
your
guys
are
talking
about.
So
it's
it
just
doesn't
work.
The
cost
to
me
alone
would
be
a
hundred
and
sixty
hours
of
work.
Y
That's
a
whole
month
that
I'd
have
to
take
one
of
my
65
employees
out
and
put
them
on
this
program.
So
if
I
am
going
to
do
that,
I've
got
to
see
value
out
of
that
and
we
see
no
value.
The
the
other
irony
is
that
we
benchmark
all
the
time.
Every
commercial
building
has
a
benchmark
and
that's
a
financial
benchmark
which
tracks
energy
usage.
Every
single
one
has
a
P&L
and
so
we're
doing
this.
Y
B
Minutes
over
so
JB
I
understand,
you
know
and
you've
got
some
basis
for
your
your
position
check,
and
so
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
kind
of
refer
some
of
your
thoughts
on
to
not
only
the
city
manager
but
to
to
our
team.
That's
working
on
this
and
kind
of
sit
down
with
you
to
see
how
we
can
get
it
done
because
doing
doing
nothing
doing
nothing
to
me
is
is
not,
and
that's
you
know,
Joe's.
Y
Own
counsel
and
Josh
asked
he
said
you
do
your
buildings
and
I
said
fine
and
I've
been
working
on
it.
Since
we
talked
at
that
meeting
and
I've
got
bupkis,
I
got
nothing,
and
so
that's
what
is
I
think
that
you
guys
are
being
told
as
a
council,
some
rosy
pictures
that
this
is
gonna.
Take
15
minutes
and
it's
easy
to
do
it
ain't.
It
is
not
easy
to
do,
and
so
this
is
taking
a
lot
of
our
time
to
do,
and-
and
you
know
it's-
the
cost
of
us
MidAmerican
and
Des
Moines
waterworks.
Y
Those
entities
are
public
utilities
and
they've
got
costs
at
applying
complying
with
this
program,
so
those
will
be
passed
on
to
all
the
consumers.
So
there
is
a
greater
cost
here
than
I
think
we
can
calculate
I,
don't
know
what
the
cost
of
the
city
is,
but
I
assume
I
know
from
dealing
with
the
building
department.
Everybody
is
super
busy.
Everybody's
resources
are
taxed
so
you're.
Adding
another
requirement
onto
these
onto
your
staff.
I,
don't
think
you
can
do
it
based
on
what
I
see
on
a
daily
basis
with
well.
B
Let's
see
how
we
can
work
with
you
to
try
to
fix
the
process
to
help
you
get
the
the
numbers
that
we
need
and
did
you
need
to
see
what
we
can
do
not
only
today
but
moving
forward.
But,
more
importantly,
has
been
pointed
out
by
a
number
of
people.
We've
got
sort
of
a
short
timeframe
to
try
to
work
on
some
of
this
stuff
and
be
an
example
and
lead
by
example,
to
show
that
their
progress
can
be
made
and
if
and
in
every
house,
every
whatever
I
mean
I'm
looking
at
it
it.
Y
B
Y
B
B
Y
Y
Saying
they
won't
not
saying
them
so
so
so
so
you
know
from
my
standpoint
as
a
building
owner
we've
been
doing
this
for
50
years.
We
are
just
moved
in
in
multifamily
housing.
Each
one
of
these
partnerships
that
were
involved
in
is
a
very
complex
animal
and
I
can't
just
go
in
and
make
changes
and
get
a
loan
and
do
energy
efficiency
things
I've
got
loan
covenants
I've
got
all
these
complex
relationships
in
there
and
it's
just
not
a
simple
thing
to
do
so.
Y
We
look
at
this
all
the
time
we
come
in
when
we
can,
when
we
have
the
capital
and
replace
it
with
low-flow
toilets,
we
upgrade
our
lighting
systems
when
we
have
that
ability
to
do
that.
But
having
someone
the
city
come
into
our
business
and
tell
us
how
to
run
it
better,
it
makes
us
just
feel,
like
the
city
thinks
we're
stupid,
we
don't
know
how
to
run
our
own
business
and
we've
been
doing
this
a
long
time.
So
I
would
ask
you
guys
to
really
consider
that
it's.
AA
A
port
Thank,
You
counsel,
Matt
Russell
I'm,
the
executive
director
for
Iowa
interfaith
Power
and
Light.
We
worked
statewide
our
office
is
at
505
Fifth
Avenue
in
Des,
Moines
I
actually
live
in
Marion
County,
but
I
was
at
several
of
the
energized
Des
Moines
meetings
and
I've
been
working
with
the
faith
community
in
in
and
around
Des
Moines
and
I
applaud
you
for
pushing
this
forward
to
think
about.
AA
How
are
we
going
to
be
proactive
and,
and
to
the
previous
speakers,
point,
there's
costs
to
everything
and
there
are
no
free
rides
and
I
think
the
important
thing
is
is
it
this
is.
This
is
a
very
doable
investment
and
my
point
is
that
the
people
of
Des
Moines,
particularly
the
faith
community,
are
increasingly
ready
to
make
those
small
investments
because
investments
are
not
costs,
they're,
an
investment,
because
you
know
something
better
is
coming
out
of
it.
AA
You
make
an
investment,
because
you
expect
something
more
and
that's
exactly
I
think
what
the
the
council
is
putting
forth
an
investment.
So
it's
also
very
strategic
and
smart.
That
you're
not
saying
everybody
in
Des
Moines
has
to
do
this
all
at
once,
but
that
you're
you're
categorizing
this.
So
under
the
current
proposal
of
the
more
than
200
churches
in
Des,
Moines
there'd
be
a
couple
dozen
that
would
fall
into
this,
so
I
think
again,
that's
a
very
fair
way
of
going
after
this.
AA
We
had
over
200
people
at
Plymouth,
church
in
in
February
to
climate
revival
and
and
out
of
those
100
people
about
100
were
from
Des
Moines,
representing
about
15
different
congregations,
around
Des
Moines,
so
I
would
just
say:
congratulations!
Thank
you
for
for
for
challenging
people
and
I
want
to
say
that
I
think
the
people
of
Des
Moines,
particularly
the
faith
community,
is
much
farther
along
and
ready
for
this
kind
of
investment.
The
conventional
wisdom
would
say
so.
AA
I
just
encourage
you
to
keep
moving
forward
and
know
that
Iowa
and
a
fifth
power
and
light
will
partner
with
congregations
to
help
you
roll
this
out.
Last
Story,
Plymouth
church
did
benchmarking
and
then
energy
efficiency
investment
over
about
the
last
eight
years,
and
they
save
as
much
money
implementing
the
low-hanging
fruit
that
they
could
see
from
doing
the
benchmarking
that
they
say
they're
saving
over
forty
thousand
dollars
a
year.
They
essentially
having
another
staff
person
that
they're
able
to
hire
around
their
mission
because
they
understood
what
they
could
do
with
efficiency.
So
this
is.
AA
AB
Good
evening,
good
evening,
mayor
county
council
members,
my
name
is
Scott
Cooley
I'm,
with
our
Nara
Realty,
Group
and
I'm.
Also,
president
of
boma
Iowa
building
owners
and
managers.
Association
I'm
here
today
to
speak
in
opposition
of
the
proposed
ordinance
as
it
is
written
I
would
guess
everyone
here
in
the
room,
thinks
that
conserving
energy,
reducing
greenhouse
gases,
conserving
water
is
a
great
thing
to
do.
That's
not
the
issue
at
hand.
The
issue
is
who
the
ordinance
is
directed
to
and
the
fact
that
is
a
mandated
fees
or
penalty
based
ordinance.
AB
The
ordinance
states
that
one
of
its
purposes
is
to
significantly
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions
by
2025.
It
further
states
that
is
estimated
to
directly
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions
from
properties
within
the
city
by
16%
I've
asked
for
reports
that
shows
how
much
greenhouse
gases
are
being
emitted
in
Des
Moines
and
have
not
seen
those
as
of
yet.
The
latest
DNR
report
of
greenhouse
gases
indicate
that
the
highest
producer
of
greenhouse
gases
is
the
agricultural
sector
to
think
that
Des
Moines
is
not
impacted
by
the
agricultural
emissions
would
be
naive.
AB
We
don't
have
a
bubble
over
the
city
of
Des,
Moines
commercial
office.
Buildings
are
part
of
a
sector
called
Ric
within
that
report,
residential
industrial
and
commercial.
This
sector
is
the
second
largest,
but
within
that
sector,
residential
has
a
higher
percentage
of
greenhouse
gases,
followed
then,
of
course,
by
commercial
and
industrial.
The
latest
report-
the
commercial
sector
sector,
actually
went
down
in
its
percentage.
This
ordinance
is
pointed
at
the
wrong
sector.
AB
I
would
offer
up
the
building
owners
that
you're,
targeting
with
this
owner
ordinance,
have
already
been
implementing
energy
and
water
saving
items
for
the
past
many
years.
This
is
why
you
see
a
degree
decrease
in
the
commercial
sector
on
that
DNR
report
on
December
4th
2018
mid-american
energy
got
approval
for
their
wind
twelve
project.
This
project
is
a
statewide
initiative
that
will
provide
customers
with
a
hundred
percent
renewable
energy
on
an
annual
basis
by
the
year
2021.
This
does
not
mean
that
the
coal-fired
plants
will
not
be
in
use.
AB
They
will
keep
those
and
their
a
backup
they're
a
supplement,
but
if
goal
per
the
ordinance
is
to
significantly
those
words
were
used
in
their
ordinance
to
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions
by
2025,
it
sounds
like
mid-american.
Energy
has
already
got
that
covered
by
the
Year
2021.
The
second
issue
is
the
fact
that
the
city
wants
us
to
be
a
mandatory
requirement
and
has
language
within
the
ordinance
for
fines
and
penalties.
If
a
building
owner
chooses
not
to
participate,
we've
been
told
in
many
meetings
that
there
has
to
be
fines.
AB
This
is
the
only
way
to
get
information
that
the
city
desires.
It's
unfortunate,
that
the
city
feels
that
a
heavy-handed
give
them.
The
stick
approach
is
the
one
that
will
build
lasting
relationships
with
the
commercial
real
estate
industry,
the
industry
that
houses
jobs
within
the
city
I
can
tell
you
that
this
approach
will
have
an
opposite
effect.
AB
The
increased
operating
cost
is
for
the
cost,
for
this
ordinance
that
are
in
the
four
least,
triple
net
market
will
go
directly
to
those
businesses
that
are
housed
within
the
buildings
again
at
the
partnership
meeting
that
I
had
that
we
had
I
spoke
with
councilman
Obama
and
to
reach
out
to
the
city
of
Pittsburgh.
Pittsburgh
is
one
of
the
20
cities,
along
with
des
Moines
that
implemented
a
similar
ordinance
based
on
the
national
energy
program.
I
do
not
know
if
the
councilman
has
reached
out,
but
I
did.
I
spoke
with
the
very
Scott.
B
AC
Laura
Gramm
perform
as
an
innovation
manager
for
City
of
Des
Moines.
The
the
previous
version
did
talk
about
the
16%.
That
would
be
inclusive
with
the
beyond
benchmarking
components.
That
was
stricken
from
the
current
draft.
That's
up
for
proposal,
so
the
as
it
sets
today.
We
don't
have
any
ties
back
to
that
yet
because
the
benchmarking
piece
is
the
first
step
in
thinking
about
what
could
some
of
those
complement
programs
look
like
more
of
a
carrot
approach.
We've
been
talking
about
to
take
a
look
at
ways
to
further
advance
efficiencies
based
on
data
and
evidence.
AC
B
AC
AC
Would
be
May
of
2022
the
city
so
a
year
from
now,
but
then,
if,
if
there's
no
follow-through
on
that
information,
it
would
be
$300
for
that
first
offense
and
then
500
for
a
second
subsequent.
So
the
piece
is
still
in
there,
but
it
is.
It
is
different
from
the
version
that
I
think
we.
It
is
certainly
different
from
the
version
we
talked
about
back
at
the
partnership.
AB
It's
not
voluntary
crap,
okay.
So
that's
what
we're
asking
for
is
a
voluntary
program.
So
so
again,
I
would
go
back
to
the
city
of
Pittsburgh.
Had
a
very
nice
conversation
with
a
lady
in
the
resiliency
Department,
they
have
an
energy
ordinance
that
is
getting
good
participation
without
any
mandate,
fines
or
penalties.
They
use
a
robust
education
campaign
and
a
marketing
campaign
to
garner
participation.
AB
If
a
city
like
Pittsburgh
can
do
it
des
Moines
can
as
well
I
would
challenge
just
wanting
to
do
better
and
come
up
with
and
come
up
with
an
incentive
based
program
so
that
building
owners
that
want
city
oversight
into
their
buildings
and
how
to
operate
them
can
use
the
city
as
a
resource,
and
we
were
rewarded
for
doing
so.
Yes,
it
takes
more
effort
on
the
cities
than
a
mandated.
Fine
based
ordinance.
AB
The
one
can
do
better
than
this
cookie
cutter
approach
again.
Reducing
energy
and
water
consumption.
Reducing
greenhouse
gases
is
a
great
thing.
What
is
not
a
great
thing
as
an
orange
that
mandates?
It
is
not
that
mandates,
participation
in
fines
and
penalties.
I
would
ask
the
council
to
vote
no
on
this.
Current
version
don't
get
caught
up
and
settle
for
the
cookie
cutter
approach
based
on
a
now
unfunded
national
initiative,
be
creative
and
work
with
commercial,
real
estate
industry
on
an
ordinance
to
make
sense
for
the
city
and
the
building
owners
within
it.
Thank.
B
I
Mayor
county
city
council,
my
name
is
Zach
Vella
gaskey
I
live
at
4200
Park
Avenue
I
actually
moved
to
Des
Moines
three
years
ago
to
work
in
the
energy
efficiency
industry.
My
Master's
is
in
renewable
and
clean
energy
and
I've
been
working
in
three
years
in
commercial
energy
assessments,
over
which
time
I've
done
about
50
buildings,
benchmarked
in
Energy
Star
and
to
the
business
owner
who
is
speaking
to
ago.
You
know
I'm
willing
to
meet
with
you
to
assist
you
with
those
processes.
I
K
I
I
But
I
think
that
it's
important
that
we
continue
to
have
good
policies
such
that
young
people
would
want
to
live
in
Des,
Moines
and,
and
although
there
may
be
some
opposition
from
the
cost
of
business
owners,
I
think
that
the
benefits
to
the
city
economically
will
outweigh
those
minor
costs
in
the
long
term.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
Thanks.
AD
Keene
councilmembers,
my
name
is
Dan
Warfel
23:36
bar
Bell
Road
in
council
person
in
Westeros
district
I
read
an
interview
and
I
think
it
was
the
Business
Insider
I,
don't
know
two
months
ago
or
so
that
they'd
approached
some
council
members
in
council
person
Westergaard.
It
asks
you
know
what
was
asked
about
this
particular
ordinance
and
said:
I.
Don't
know
that
my
you
know,
folks
in
my
ward,
are
going
to
be
interested
in.
You
know
what
the
buildings
on
the
street
is
doing
with
their
energy
and
so
yeah.
AD
Sure
sure
I
can
get
it
to
you
anyway.
My
point
was
not
to
to
throw
you
under
the
bus
here.
Council
first
I
just
wanted
to
you,
as
somebody
from
your
district
say.
You
know,
I
moved
into
your
district
two
years
ago
and
I've
put
insulation
in
my
attic
I've
put
insulation
in
my
garage.
My
wife
has
this
funny
little
remote
that
turns
off
my
entire
strip
power
strip.
AD
Behind
my
television
and
just
as
an
anecdotal
perspective,
you
know
I
work
with
some
of
the
the
poorest
Iowans
you
know
in
in
Des
Moines
that
are
trying
to
improve
the
efficiency
of
their
homes,
and
so
a
lot
of
that
rests
on
residents
right.
You
know,
I'm,
looking
at
our
new
greenhouse
gas
inventory
from
2017,
we've
worked
with
you
and
I
to
get
35
percent
of
that
is
commercial
buildings,
commercial,
energy
and
now
residential
shares,
a
portion
of
that
twenty
seven
percent
and
transportation.
G
Good
afternoon
mr.
mayor
councilmembers,
john
bergman,
Hubbell
Realty
company,
6900,
West,
Towne,
Parkway
and
West
Des,
Moines,
Iowa
and
I'm
here
to
speak
in
opposition
to
this
ordinance,
not
because
I
don't
appreciate
and
support
energy
conservation.
I
do
Water
Management.
It's
important
I've,
been
in
the
real
estate
business
for
38
years,
I'm,
an
early
adopter
of
a
lot
of
energy
efficiency
equipment,
materials
processes.
G
I'm
really
opposed
right
now
because
of
the
process
that
we're
in
and
what's
gotten
us
here
today,
I'm
really
the
only
commercial
real
estate
representative
that
was
on
the
task
force
and
I
feel
that
the
the
weight
was
against
commercial,
real
estate
owners
and
in
favor
of
people
who
provide
energy
management
services
rather
than
to
the
property
owners
I'm,
not
really
in
favor
of
using
the
EPA
Energy
Star
platform,
the
portfolio
manager
there's
a
lot
of
other
benchmarking
out
there.
That's
easier
to
use
you've
heard
jb
talk
about
the
difficulty
he's
had
part
of
that.
G
Difficulty
is
because
of
getting
all
that
information
for
multiple
tenant
buildings,
whether
they
be
multifamily
or
whether
they
be
commercial
into
that
platform.
They
don't
have
a
process
right
now
at
mid-american
energy.
It
really
allows
you
to
aggregate
that
information.
They
don't
have
a
process
right
now
at
Des,
Moines
waterworks
that
allows
you
to
easily
aggregate
that
information
we've
talked
about
how
quick
it
is,
how
slow
it
is.
The
reality
is
to
enter
all
those
buildings
and
it's
going
to
take
a
significant
amount
of
time
by
property
owners.
G
We
need
to
find
some
way
to
work
with
those
key
stakeholders
and
then
American
energy,
the
Des
Moines
waterworks,
to
create
a
system
where
they
can
assist
us
with
that.
There's
a
way
to
get
that
information,
whether
it's
important
for
your
manager,
whether
it's
in
some
other
benchmarking
system,
but
to
get
it
in
there
in
an
easy
way.
That
saves
some
time
for
these
property
owners.
G
You
know
the
reality.
Is
it's
not
the
property
owners
who
use
the
energy?
It's
the
users
in
those
buildings.
If
you
have
a
multi-family
property,
it's
those
individual
tenants
who
are
using
water
using
gas
or
using
electricity
commercial
office
building,
it's
that
tenant.
That's
using
it!
You
want
to
focus
some
attention
and
some
energy
into
really
reducing
it.
That's
the
target:
it's
not
the
property.
On
its
the
end
user,
Thank
You.
AE
Terry
Dvorak
I'm,
CEO
and
owner
of
Red
Line
renewables
in
Norwalk
Iowa.
The
reason
I
wasn't
planning
on
speaking,
but
after
the
comments
we
are
in
the
process
of
growth
and
considering
where
we're
going
to
hit
our
national
headquarters,
and
we
would
like
to
consider
Des
Moines.
It
is
these
types
of
programs
that
we
look
forward
to
in
a
progressive
City
and
it's
these
types
of
things
we
will
look
forward
to
in
the
future.
As
we
look
at
tenant
space
to
rent
I
realize
this
is
the
first
of
a
multi-stage
process.
AE
It's
the
low-hanging
fruit
that
I
expect
to
City
will
go
towards
smaller
and
smaller
facilities
and
eventually
everything
gets
considered
and
for
the
building
owners
that
are
out
there.
We
will
not
consider
a
building
that
doesn't
meet
these,
so
I
am
and
before
this
action
and
I
applaud
you
for
doing.
Z
Steve
Coleman
mid-america
group,
West,
Des
Moines
Iowa,
we
own
properties
down
on
Belle
Avenue.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
commend
the
city
and
the
councilmembers
for
putting
forth
this
matter.
It's
an
important
matter.
We
all
agree
on
that.
Councilman
Mandelbaum
has
been
very
cordial.
We've
had
quite
a
bit
of
correspondence
talking
about
this
matter
and
as
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
any
of
the
details
that
all
the
previous
property
representatives
have,
but
I
do
want
to
state
that
property
owners
we
in
particular
and
I,
know
many
other
property
owners
do
the
same
thing.
Z
Z
Moving
in
we
put
on
a
new
roof,
we
upgraded
the
insulation,
we
also
upgraded
to
new
LED
type
fixture
Lighting's
when
we
have
to
replace
HVAC
units,
we
do
it
so,
as
other
property
representatives
have
stated
we're
in
agreement
with
the
intent
of
this
we're
not
in
agreement
with
how
it's
going
to
be
enforced
on
us,
we
want
to
be
as
energy
efficient
as
we
can.
It
helps
us
get
us
tenants.
Z
However,
I
fear
there
may
be
one
unintended
consequence
of
this
if
tenants
are
forced
to
bear
this
cost
based
on
a
timeline
set
in
the
ordinance.
What
is
to
prevent
tenants
from
moving
to
suburbs?
That's
a
fear
we
have.
Why
should
they
paint
the
cost
when
they
can
move
to
a
newer
building
that
is
already
fairly
energy-efficient
and
they
don't
have
to
expend
any
money
on
it
on
a
regular
basis
to
stay
in
the
space
and,
if
I
hit
the
three
minute
mark.
Z
AF
AF
Setting
up
multifamily
property
is
the
most
difficult
and
time-consuming
in
portfolio
manager.
We
did
that
first
by
the
time
we
got
to
the
data.
We
were
pretty
much
out
of
time.
It
was
last
Friday
afternoon
and
went
through
2:30
left
at
4:30.
He
had
someplace
to
go
and
I
did
it
as
well.
We
did
clarify
the
data.
Mid-American
energy
did
provide
whole
building
aggregate
data.
There
was
some
confusion
about
which
was
electricity
in
which
was
gas.
We
did
figure
that
out
later,
I
want
to
mention
a
couple
other
pieces
of
data.
AF
The
City
Council
has
had
a
greenhouse
gas
production
target
of
28
percent
by
2025
for
the
last
five
years.
Until
last
year.
The
city
did
not
have
a
completed
greenhouse
gas
inventory
with
the
help
of
UN
eyes,
Center
sanity
for
energy
and
environmental
education.
That
was
completed
last
year
with
2017
data,
and
it
showed
that
the
largest
contributor
to
greenhouse
gas
emissions
in
Des
Moines
is
commercial
energy
at
36%.
AF
This
ordinance
is
crafted
to
address
commercial
buildings
above
25,000
square
feet.
Industrial
buildings
are
automatically
exempted.
There's
70
of
those
there's
809
remaining
buildings.
Several
of
those
are
city
buildings,
summer
State,
Building
summer,
county
buildings,
those
might
in
federal
buildings
might
be
city.
Buildings
are
already
benchmarked
and
will
actually
report
their
data
this
year,
but
but
the
whole
strategy
behind
this
was
at
25,000
square
foot
threshold
you're
addressing
nearly
20%
of
the
commercial
property
footage
with
just
with
under
800
buildings.
AF
I
wanted
to
mention
that
part
of
the
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
yes,
we're
very
proud
of
Mid
Americans
growth
and
wind
energy,
but
they
still
have
for
coal
fired
power
plants
that
affect
the
air
quality
in
the
whole
state.
We
did
an
owl
intere
en
er
G
challenge
we
launched
at
the
end
of
2017
called
energized
des
moines.
We
had
quite
a
few
organizations
that
entered
initially
but
by
the
final
deadline.
AF
At
the
end
of
January,
only
four
organizations
actually
benchmarked
and
had
their
data
entered
in
portfolio
manager
that
included
the
City
of
Des
Moines
with
13
buildings,
the
fredo
fresh
produce
with
their
headquarters,
Des
Moines,
waterworks
with
their
office
building
customer
service
building
and
unitypoint
health
with
their
three
hospitals.
So
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
voluntary
only
goes
so
far
and
there's
a
there's
a
need
for
actually
a
requiring
property
owner.
AF
Sometimes
you
need
to
bring
a
horse
to
water,
to
get
it
to
drink
and
I
think
the
data
that
benchmarking
will
provide
provides
lots
of
opportunities
for
lowering
operating
expenses.
There
was
a
national
study
that
principal
real
estate.
Investors
did
with
the
do
e
PR
principle
real
estate
investors
located
right
here
in
Des
Moines
over
a
hundred
properties.
Looking
at
the
correlation
between
properties
classified
as
green,
either
LEED
certified
or
Energy
Star
certified.
There
were
sixty
of
those
properties.
AF
AG
You
guys
are
getting
tired
of
hearing
all
these
people
talk.
Aren't
you.
My
name
is
Carey
Carney
I
am
the
executive
director
of
1,000
friends
of
Iowa,
a
Des
Moines
based
nonprofit,
3850,
Merle,
hay,
road
and
I'm,
actually,
here
to
speak
from
a
perspective
you
have
not
heard
yet
and
that
is
of
the
tenant
of
one
of
the
of
a
building
that
would
fall
in
this
category.
AG
So
we've
heard
from
some
of
the
building
owners
who
have
talked
about
well,
they
didn't
have
any
control
over
what
the
tenants
do
well,
as
a
tenant
I,
actually
don't
have
any
control
over
energy
efficiency
in
the
office
space
that
we
rent
and,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I
have
no
control
over
the
temperature
at
all
in
our
office
building.
We
have
single
Pam
on
the
top
floor.
We
have
single
pane
windows
that
a
couple
weeks
ago
when
it
was
gusting
and
the
really
strong
winds.
AG
So
the
tenants
really
don't
always
have
a
choice
in
whether
or
not
energy
efficiency
happens.
Yep
I
can
choose
to
turn
the
lights
off.
There's
six
individual
office
spaces
inside
of
my
office.
None
of
the
lights
are
on
in
those
office
spaces.
When
they're
not
being
used.
We
only
have
the
copier
on.
If
we're
going
to
use
it,
everything
is
turned
off
we're
an
environmental
organization.
We
take
care,
we
pay
attention
to
that
sort
of
stuff,
but
I
still
don't
have
any
ability
to
make
changes
around
energy
efficiency.
AG
AG
We've
talked
to
we've
gone
and
talked
to
church
people
and
different
nonprofits
and
even
city's
staff
numerous
times-
and
we
have
heard
this
over
and
over
again-
that
one
of
the
big
issues
that
prevents
affordable
housing
is
the
lack
of
energy
efficiency
and
high
energy
cost
landlords
have
no
incentive
to
implement
energy
efficiency
when
they're,
not
the
ones
paying
the
utility
bill.
This
ordinance
is
needed.
Yes,
I
completely,
agree
that
if
we
want
it
to
have
higher
results,
we
need
the
beyond
benchmarking,
but
let's
at
least
start
with
doing
the
benchmarking.
AG
AH
My
name
is
Jake
Lundgren
with
Knapp
properties.
Here,
I'll
be
brief.
I
would
echo
the
sentiments
of
my
counterparts
with
Hubble
and
RNR
and
Conlan
properties
that
our
concern
is
that
in
our
competitive
market
we
are
already
striving
to
be
energy
efficient
in
our
buildings
and
as
energy
efficient
as
possible.
You
know
to
be
competitive
to
gain
tenants
and
you
know
it
goes
round
and
round.
AH
I
think
that
needs
to
be
figured
out
first
and
how
we
can
easily
collect
that
data
with
mid-american
energy
with
water
works,
and,
and
so
we
can
be
as
efficient
as
possible
because
with
you
know,
if
I
had
one
building
with
single
meter
electric
and
single
meter
water,
you
know
that's
very
easy,
but
when
you
have
dozens
and
it's
you
know,
we
have
a
200
unit,
apartment,
complex
and
100
unit
apartment,
complex
and
a
retail
building
with
20
tenants.
You
know
making
sure
we
can
get
all
that
data
without
having
to
go.
AH
Ask
permission
to
get
data
from
an
American
energy
I
understand
they
will
give
us
aggregate
data
and
hopefully
that's
the
case,
and
we
can
get
it
easily
and
efficiently.
You
know
I'm
all
for
it
I'm
happy
to
input
this
information,
but
until
that
process
gets
vetted
out
and
it's
a
simpler
process,
I
would
say
vote
no
on
this.
Q
Oh
I'd
like
to
start
and
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion,
but
you
know
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
be
involved
in
this
process
from
the
beginning
and
Mayor
Wright,
you
appointed
myself
and
councilmember
grade-a
co-chair
a
task
force
on
an
energy
task
force
and
we
opened
that
task
force
out
to
the
entire
community.
We
invited
a
broad
range
of
stakeholders
and
in
John
you're
right.
The
representation
at
those
meetings
was.
Q
It
was
not
not
great
from
the
building
owner
community,
and
that
was
a
frustration
in
the
process
throughout
the
process.
You
know
we
wanted
that
participation.
We
wanted
folks
at
the
table
and
I'm
glad
if
nothing
else
that
this
process
has
has
now
engaged
folks
and
got
them
talking
about
energy
with
us
I.
This
is
the
beginning
of
the
process.
This
is
not
the
end
of
the
process,
even
though
an
ordinance
might
feel
like
an
end.
Q
This
is
the
beginning
of
a
process
about
how
we
move
forward
and
how
we
meet
our
climate
goals,
and
it's
I
think
particularly
fitting
that
we're
here
on
Earth
Day
I,
because
you
know
climate
change,
while
it
isn't
mental
problem,
I
think
it's
broader
than
just
an
environmental
problem.
You
know
I
think
it's
a
fundamental
challenge
of
our
times
and
there
are
plenty
of
folks
who.
Q
Who
have
their
head
in
the
sand
about
this
and
I?
Look
particularly
to
the
federal
government
right
now
and
see
our
president
vowing
to
pull
us
out
of
the
Paris
Accord
and
working
as
hard
as
he
can
to
roll
back
regulations
and
the
approach
that
he
takes
to
climate?
And
the
good
thing
is
that
folks
in
this
room
can
actually
do
something
about
it,
not
just
the
folks
up
at
this
table,
but
the
folks
who've
made
their
voice
heard
tonight.
Q
We
can
act
and
we
can
make
a
difference
locally
and
a
building
benchmarking
ordinance
is
one
of
the
foundational
pieces
of
any
climate
action
plan.
Any
effective
climate
action
plan
at
the
city,
level
and
I
know
there's
been
some
discussion
tonight
about
well
what
what
is
the
city
trying
to
accomplish
and
starting
with
our
greenhouse
gas
goal,
our
28%
emission
reduction
goal
by
2025?
Q
But
you
put
this
you
put
that
in
context
our
28
percent
by
2025
and
we've
got
a
greenhouse
gas
inventory
that
we've
done
I,
don't
know
if
we've
made
it
public
but
I
think
it
was
either
in
draft
form
or
closed,
but
that
that
should
be
made
public,
because
I
think
there's
been
a
little
bit
of
confusion,
a
little
bit
of
confusion
about
emissions
and
what
role
buildings
have.
But
the
commercial
energy
sector
in
Des
Moines
is
responsible
for
35%
of
the
city's
emissions
industrials
another
11%
residential
27%
transportation.
Being
the
bulk
of
the
rest.
Q
We
are
not
and
Scott
to
your
point.
You
know
we
don't
have
the
agricultural
emissions
and
we
can't
control
what
happens
outside
of
the
City
of
Des
Moines,
but
we
can
control
what
does
happen
in
the
City
of
Des
Moines.
And
that's
what
this
this
policy
is
designed
to
take
a
step
towards
doing,
and
this
is
really
it's
just
a
step.
It's
one
piece,
the
benchmarking
is
the
beginning
piece
right:
the
idea
that
you,
you
can't
manage
what
you
don't
measure
I
and
it's
targeted
at
the
area
where
we
can
have
the
biggest
difference.
Q
It's
the
largest
buildings
that
represent
the
largest
percentage
of
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
Is
that
the
only
action
we
should
take
as
part
of
the
greenhouse
as
part
of
a
climate
action
plan?
Absolutely
not
absolutely
not,
and
in
fact
there
are
other
things
that
I
hope
this
council
will
be
considering
in
the
coming
months.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
Scott
mentioned
was
mid-american
energy
and
the
amount
of
renewables
as
they
have
and
I
think
it's
commendable.
Q
We
have
six
coal-fired
power
plants
that
mid-american
is
either
the
owner
operator
up
or
the
majority
owner
of,
and
that
makes
our
utility
here
here
in
Des
Moines
a
top
20
coal
fleet
in
the
country,
a
top
20
coal
fleet
in
the
country.
So
we
are
actually
in
a
place
where
what
we
consume.
The
energy
we
consume
is
having
a
huge
impact.
So
we
need
to
do
better
and
we
need
to
challenge
our
utility
to
do
better
and
I
hope.
Q
That's
something
that
the
council
will
look
at
in
the
in
the
coming
months
and
I
plan
on
introducing
a
step
along
those
lines
for
a
more
aggressive,
renewable
energy
target
or
clean
energy
target
for
the
city.
But
because
we
need
to
do
more
does
not
mean
that
we
don't
work
on
what
our
buildings
do
and
how
we
can
address
our
buildings.
And
this
first
step
looked
at
buildings,
25,000
square
feet
and
above
and
it
all
it
does.
Q
Is
it
asks
them
to
benchmark
their
energy
use,
compare
how
they
use
energy
to
other,
like
buildings
around
the
country
and
if
folks
are
truly
doing
everything
they
can
and
are
truly
as
efficient
as
they
can.
We
will
find
that
out
as
part
of
this
process
I
that
will
become
very
clear
as
part
of
this
process,
because
the
benchmarking
scores
will
be
high,
and
you
know
what,
if
you
have
a
good
energy
efficiency
score,
we
should
be
touting
that,
because
that
is
a
competitive
advantage.
Q
That
means
your
utilities
are
going
to
be
lower
and
you
have
something
that
you
can
offer
to
any
tenant.
That
has
a
sustainability
goal.
So
if
we
find
that
out
as
part
of
the
process
and
you're
not
currently
touting
it,
it
provides
you
something
that
you
can
out,
but
if
we
find
something
else
out
that,
even
though
we
think
we
have
every
incentive
to
control
energy
as
well
as
possible,
maybe
the
best
of
intentions
aren't
getting
translated
into
reality.
And
if
people
learn
that
too,
it
opens
up
eyes
and
will
hopefully
prompt
action.
Q
It
will
hopefully
lead
to
saying
wait
a
minute
why?
Why
am
I
not
doing
as
well
as
others,
and
maybe
my
competitors
are
doing
a
little
bit
better
from
an
energy
perspective?
What
can
I
do
to
change
that?
This
ordinance
doesn't
require
you
to
do
a
thing
to
change
it,
yet
it
doesn't.
It
just
provides
you
that
information
and
it's
you
know
one
of
the
things
and
there
have
been
pieces
of
this
discussion.
Q
Well,
some
pieces
that
are
just
flat-out
inaccurate
and
there
are
some
pieces
that
we
still
need
to
work
through,
but
the
question
about
aggregate
data
aggregate
data
for
a
large
multi-family
residential
unit.
This
ordinance
addresses
that
and
if
you
can't
get
the
aggregate
data,
there
are
exceptions
for
it.
It
specifically
says
the
covered
property.
There
is
an
exception
if
the
covered
property
is
classified
for
assessment
purposes,
as
multi
residential
real
estate,
more
than
for
energy
utility
meters
are
associated
with
the
covered
property.
Q
The
electric
utility
does
not
provide
access
to
aggregated
whole
building
data
for
the
covered
property
and
the
owner
does
not
have
access
to
other
reasonable
means
to
obtain
such
aggregated
whole.
Building
data
we've
tried
to
address
concerns
like
that,
so
we
can
work
through
and
there's
more
to
do,
there's
more
to
help.
People
understand
some
of
the
technical
pieces
and
work
with
the
software,
but
if
we
can't
work
with
the
utility
and
I
think
mid-american
is
willing
to
work
to
provide
aggregate
data,
there's
an
exception
in
the
ordinance
for
that
exact
situation.
Q
And
one
of
the
things
that
I
do
want
to
talk
about
is
is
what's
not
here
right,
because
we
had.
We
had
more
to
this
ordinance
and
drafts
that
were
circulated,
and
folks
were
concerned
about
that,
because
we
had
a
performance
piece
where
we
wanted
to
say.
As
a
city,
we
don't
want
to
settle
for
being
average
if
you're
a
big
building
that
is
below
average.
That
means
other
light.
Q
Buildings
are
much
more
energy-efficient
if
your
big
building
we'd,
like
you
to
take
some
action-
and
that
was
part
of
the
ordinance
to
look
at
the
largest
buildings
about
50,000
square
feet,
so
only
a
fraction
of
the
buildings
that
are
covered
under
the
benefit
and
then
the
poorest
performing
of
those
the
ones
who
we
know
there
would
be
low-hanging
fruit
out
there,
because
there
is
so
much
room
for
improvement.
We
wanted
those
below
average
buildings
to
take
action,
but
not
immediately
over
time.
Q
There
was
a
five
year
window
before
this
even
kicked
in
and
another
five
years
to
fully
phase
in.
We
provided
a
lot
of
flexibility
in
terms
of
the
type
of
action.
Now.
What
I'm
hoping
is
that
that
will
turn
into
a
framework
for
a
voluntary
program,
going
forward
to
look
at
incentives
to
look
at
how
we
can
work
with
the
business
community
on
how
to
move
this
forward
to
our
shared
goal,
because
every
single
person
who
came
up
and
spoke
did
not
object
to
the
goal.
Every
single
person
said
they
want
to
do
this.
Q
So,
let's,
let's
use
the
work
that
we
put
in
for
the
last
year
in
developing
a
framework.
That's
not
that's
not
in
this
ordinance,
because
folks
thought
that
that
was
a
heavy
thing
to
move
forward
and
use
that
as
a
way
to
measure
some
voluntary
action
and
to
guide
voluntary
action.
So
we
do
see
some
of
these
reductions
and
the
other
piece
that
I
hope
we
do,
and
we
have
not
talked
enough
about.
You
know
we
add
the
voluntary
energy
challenge,
which
it
would
have
been
great
to
get
more
participation,
but
that's
a
first
step.
Q
The
next
piece
of
that
is.
We
want
to
recognize
buildings
that
are
taking
steps
to
improve
their
their
energy
efficiency
and
we've
been
working
with
staff,
and
that's
going
to
be
a
part
of
my
motion
to
to
be
more
explicit
about
that
piece
of
this.
We've
been
working
with
staff
on
the
parameters
of
what
we
can
do
to
recognize
the
buildings
that
are
taking
action
that
are
good
performers
that
are
improving
their
performance,
and
we
should
do
that
as
part
of
this
process
as
well
I,
and
that
can
be
done
in
an
entirely
voluntary
manner.
B
L
In
what
was
taking
place
and
I
am
all
for
energy
efficiency,
I'm
all
for
reducing
greenhouse
gases.
I
personally
at
my
house
have
done
everything.
I
can
possibly
do
to
keep
my
energy
low
in
to
use
the
sensation
I'm
I'm
right
there,
I'm
in
advocates
would
but
there's
I
really
believe
that
there
are
better
ways.
I
asked
several
times
who's
on
the
committee.
Who's
attending
I
never
got
those
responses.
I've
asked.
Are
we
testing
this
just
like
any
program?
L
L
L
I
want
to
see
the
numbers
that
have
been
entered
into
the
into
the
portfolio
manager,
because
I'm
not
convinced,
based
on
what
I've
seen
because
I
have
gone
out
and
I
have
made
phone
calls
and
I've
said
who's.
You
know
tell
me
about
this
ordinance.
What
are
your
thoughts
about
it,
and
this
witness
has
changed
several
times.
It
was
only
a
week
ago
that
this
last
ordinance
came
out
I'm.
A
little
surprised,
I
think
that
we
deserve
better
I,
think
that
we
and
every
citizen
here
should
have
had
the
opportunity
to
visit
with
the
city.
L
It's
bothersome
to
me
that
that
we're
asking
just
a
small
percentage
of
commercial
owners
to
take
part
in
this.
How
many
of
those
two
of
those
people
did?
We
involve
I
know
in
my
questions,
I
asked
who
wasn't
asked
to
the
medians
and
I'm.
Given
a
list
of
a
hundred
and
seventy
people,
I,
don't
think
you
had
a
hundred
and
seventy
people
at
any
of
your
meetings
and
like
like
the
gentleman
said
he
was
invited
to
one
meeting.
L
He
didn't
agree
with
it
and
he
was
never
invited
back
and
to
say:
oh
well,
it's
on
the
website
and
you
could
see
it.
You
know
what
I'm
on
the
I'm
on
the
city
website
multiple
times
every
day
and
I
honestly
didn't
see
it,
but
I
think
it
would
have
been
real,
easy
to
say,
hey,
council.
This
is
where
we
are
the
ordinance
that
the
freedom
that
we're
asked
to
do
today
does
absolutely
nothing
to
reduce
greenhouse
gases.
L
The
only
thing
that
does
is
it
says
if
you're
a
business
owner
and
you
have
square
feet,
you
are
required
to
benchmark
now.
We've
heard
one
person
say
that
he
spent
I
don't
know
how
many
hours
he's
tried
to
input
it.
He
sat
down
with
Kent
on
Friday
and
it
they
weren't
able
to
to
enter
the
information.
So
how
can
we
possibly
put
this?
Wouldn't
it's
in
place
until
it's
been
tested
until
we
know
it
works
until
we
have
really
engaged
with
the
people
who
owned
those
buildings.
L
We
should
be
working
with
them.
We
should
have
them
in
our
office
and
we
should
be
saying
here:
let's
get
our
data,
let's
work
with
MidAmerican,
let's
work
with
waterworks:
let's
together
work
get
this
data,
let's
put
it
in
there
and
let's
see
where
we
are,
so
we
can
see
some
real
results,
but
right
now
this
wouldn't
it
says
it
reads
today:
you're
just
saying:
comply,
we're
sending
$300
and
we're
not
gonna,
do
anything
with
it.
You're
not
gonna,
do
anything
with
it.
L
Unless
you
want
to
publicly
shame
unless
you
want
to
print
the
the
names
and
and
the
building
owners,
which
I
think
is
a
problem,
because
if
somebody's
gonna
sell
a
building,
I
mean
you're
you're
you're
asking
for
information.
That
really
is
not
public
information
or
you
could
call
MidAmerican
and
say
hey,
what's
their
energy
use,
but
there's
just
so
much
that
we
could
still
do
rather
than
just
pass
this
blind
witness.
That
does
absolutely
nothing.
I
know
everybody
out
here.
I
agree
with
you.
We
want
to
reduce
gases,
but
this
witness
doesn't
do
it.
L
This
wooden
anothing,
you
are
just
gathering
information
and
we're
gonna.
Have
somebody
at
the
cities
spend
their
time
to
look
at
it,
I
guess
I
guess,
you're
gonna,
look
at
it!
I,
don't
know
what
you're
gonna
do,
but
you're
not
gonna.
Do
anything
else.
There's
nothing
in
here
about
you're,
even
going
to
go
back
to
the
to
the
business
on
there
and
say
hey
this:
is
you
know
you
could
do
better?
There
isn't
anything
like
that.
AE
B
So
then,
I
appreciate
your
input.
I
think
the
recommendation
here
was.
Obviously
this
is
the
first
reading,
yeah
and
I.
Think
that
is
is
has
been
pointed
out,
not
only
here
this
evening,
but
many
times
it's
really
tough.
What
you
can
do
to
manage
if
especially
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
energy
use,
if
you
don't
measure
it
and
I,
know
it's
tough
to
measure
and
that's
why
we've
suggested
working
with
these
people
that
are
having
difficulty
working
with
mid-america
and
in
water
works
before
we
pass
it
on.
B
We've
got
two
more
readings,
and
maybe
the
next
one
won't
occur
at
the
next
meeting,
but
I
suggest
that
the
manager
and
and
his
people
and
Mid
American
and
the
waterworks-
let's
all
work
together,
to
try
to
make
some
improvement
so
that,
as
these
people
do
manage,
they
can
make
improvements
and
hopefully
brag
about
it
and
save
money,
and
not
only
for
their
tenants.
But
in
some
cases
for
themselves
bill
did
you
have
come
in.
Yes,.
P
I've
been
part
of
this
process
for
over
a
year
now,
I've
been
on
this
rollercoaster
ride,
where
we've
had
the
highs
of
everybody
being
on
board
to
down
to
the
bottom,
where
everybody
thinks
it's
absolutely
crazy,
and
then
we
go
right
back
up.
It's
just
been
a
roller
coaster.
I
think.
If
you
look
at
everybody
out
here,
we're
all
in
agreement
that
we
can
improve.
How
do
we
get
there?
P
There's
been
quite
a
bit
of
conversation
about
the
demands
get
put
on
the
business
community
and
there's
also
the
other
side
of
the
people
that
want
to
save
our
environment
and
do
the
right
thing:
a
foreign
environment.
So
I've
listened
to
the
both
sides.
Many
many
times
we
got,
in
my
view,
really
two
options.
P
We
can
sack
this
whole
thing
and
start
the
process
all
over
again
with
no
guarantee
that
we're
going
to
end
up
back
here
in
the
same
playing
field
or-
and
we
can
do
as
a
mayor
suggest-
take
a
first
reading
on
this
and
then
continue
to
work,
because
nothing
happens
until
you
get
to
the
third
reading.
I
think
we
need
to
get
something
started.
You
know
you
can't
get
to
here.
M
P
Going
to
back
Josh's
motion
I
think
this
is
a
good
start
for
everybody.
We
can
get
a
lot
more
feedback
from
the
business
community,
I
embrace
their
their
complaints.
Their
concerns
I
know,
there's
going
to
be
some
ground.
We
can
make
up,
there's
some
ground
that
we
can
get
together
and
make
something
happen.
But
as
people
have
said,
we've
got
a
great
city
here.
We've
got
a
heck
of
an
opportunity
to
make
it
even
better.
N
N
We
would
have
had
millions
of
dollars
wasted
and
put
into
energy
instead
of
into
education,
so
the
school
district
has
been
a
model
for
what
you
can
do
with
benchmarking
and
making
efforts
to
change
the
dynamics
and
how
it
becomes
an
economic
incentive
to
these
things,
and
the
other
thing
is
just
quickly
that
Greta,
thong,
Bert
or
I
believe
she's
a
15
year
old,
cootie
squirrel
I
think
one
of
her
talk.
She
said
instead
of
looking
for
hope.
Let's
look
for
action
and
I
think
this
is
one
small
thing
we
can
do
just
start.
C
K
Mayor,
thank
you
in
you
know,
I
appreciate
your
efforts.
Mr.
mayor
you've
been
doing
this
and
I
know,
this
has
been
a
goal
of
yours
for
a
very,
very
long
time
before
I
ever
sat
down
here.
So
applause
to
you
appreciate
your
initiative
of
setting
up
this
task
force
with
Bill
and
Josh
and
trying
to
get
something
accomplished
so
I.
Thank
you
for
that.
Everybody
wants
the
same
goal
and
we
just
need
to
know
how
we
can
get
there
and
really
make
a
difference.
Does
this?
Does
this
ordinance
or
policy
gonna
make
a
big
difference?
K
K
Q
B
Q
K
K
So
a
question
to
JB's
concern
because
I
know
he
has
many
multifamily
and
it's
going
to
be.
You
know,
I
mean
if
he
tried
to
do
it
for
one
building.
I
can't
imagine
how
long
it's
going
to
take
for
another
building,
but
so,
if
mid
a.m.
and
I
know,
the
mayor
said
that
we
need
to
look
at
this
and
that's
why
we're
going
to
do
so.
If
mid,
AM
and
Des
Moines
Water
Works
don't
give
the
data
that
we
need
to
put
into
the
portfolio
management.
AC
Correct
so
as
the
ordinance
is
drafted
today,
if
they've
made
a
good-faith
attempt
to
get
that
data
and
they
were
unable
to
get
that
they
would
be
exempted
now.
I
would
also
say
that
you
know
staff
would
be
more
than
happy
to
sit
down
and
work
with
them
again,
because
you're
right
there's
a
lot
of
levels
of
complication
to
those
to
those
buildings.
So.
K
To
that
point,
Laura
we've
been,
you
guys,
have
been
doing
this
for
a
year.
Okay
and
we've
hired
a
consultant
that
came
up
and
spoke,
and
so
we
haven't
taken
one
of
the
stakeholders
with
probably
the
most
multifamily
and
we
waited
until
Friday
before
the
ordinance
is
going
to
be
in
front
of
them
and
sat
down
and
haven't
helped
him
enter
the
data
to
see
exactly
how
long
it's
gonna
be,
so
we
waited
until
Friday
to
do
that
after
we've
been
just
discussing
this
year
right.
We.
K
K
Several
weeks,
okay
and
then
talk
to
me
about
enforcement.
So
if,
if
if
there
is
no
penalty,
if
you
don't
participate
other
than
350
the
first
year
and
then
550
the
rest
of
the
time,
if
you
don't
participate
with
it,
you
can
just
pay
the
fine
and
and
that's
that's
part
of
the
enforcement
and
that's
for
each
building
correct.
K
C
AC
Counsel
number
Westergaard
we
have.
We
have
done
that
with
a
few
properties.
We
did
go
through
the
energize
des
moines
voluntary
program
last
year
and
we
had
about
12
interested
participants.
We
had
four
that
came
forward.
We
want
to
continue
that
program
and
then
moving
forward
between
now-
and
you
know
if
the
ordinance
is
enacted
between
now
and
when
that
information
would
come
through
to
the
city.
AC
B
From
when
we
pass
it
on
a
third
reading,
whenever
that
might
be
a
month
from
now
or
more
they've
got
a
year
to
try
to
comply
unless,
of
course,
the
situation
is
so
overly
complicated
and
we're
not
getting
they
dead
out
of
the
providers.
In
this
case,
mid-american
Des
Moines,
Water
Works
in
an
in
a
fashion.
This
is
either
readable,
collectible
or
variable
than
they
don't
have
to
comply.
K
Okay,
I
understand
what
you're
trying
to
ask
and
I
and
I
kind
of
would
like
the
same,
the
same
so
before
we
have
a
second
reading,
each
individual
that
came
up
between
Knapp
and
Hubble
and
Conlan,
and
anyone
else
that
has
property.
When
you
sit
down
with
them
and
help
them
and
see
how
long
it
takes.
K
Let
them
pick
out
the
building
that
they
want
to
do
and
and
let's
make
sure
it
works,
and
they
can
pick
out
the
most
complicated
property
that
they
have
and
if
I
was
them,
that's
what
I
would
do
I
would
sit
down
with
them
and
it
probably
should
have
been
done
well
before
we
ever
had
this
in
front
of
them
in
front
of
us
to
make
sure
it
works
and
to
make
sure
that
you
can
get
the
data
from
Des
Moines
waterworks
in
mid
amp.
We.
K
R
That's
what
everybody
else
has
been
saying:
I
didn't
say:
I'm,
first
off
happy,
Earth
Day
to
everybody,
and
it's
as
Josh
pointed
out.
It's
great
that
we're
speaking
of
it
and
as
Linda
I've
tried
to
do
everything
I
can
in
my
own
home,
except
give
a
couple
kids
away,
and
they
I
did
a
lot
of
dang
energy,
but
save
the
drama.
I'm
a
yes
vote
tonight,
but
I
do
think
that
we
have
a
lot
of.
Thank
you.
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do.
R
I
think
everybody
up
here
is
stated
that
I'll
just
tell
you
a
couple
of
things.
Mr.
Russell
who
I've
met
before
you
know
called
out
faith.
I
will
tell
you
a
large
part
of
why
I
think
it's
time
to
do
something
along
these
lines.
Is
my
Pope
and
my
bishop
talk
about
this
a
lot
and
they've
spent
a
lot
of
money
on
their
own
buildings.
I
mean
some
of
some
of
you
that
are
in
this.
Industry
have
done
expensive
work
at
some
churches
and
the
diocese,
because
they've
put
their
money
where
their
mouth
is.
R
I.
Think
that's
important
by
no
means
do
I
think
we
have
this
nailed
exactly
I.
Think
I
think
we
have
work
to
do.
The
mayor
suggested
things
that
everybody
has
but
I
I.
Think
the
question
is
for
me:
not
if
we
do
something,
but
how
we
do
something
and
I
I
hope
we
take
some
time.
I
will
say
that
I'm
a
little
disappointed
because
I've
been
asking
a
lot
of
questions.
This
might
surprise
you
I,
don't
think
any
of
us
saw
the
recommendation.
R
R
There's
gonna
be
some
knee-jerk
reaction,
because
everything
that
is
you
know
in
the
public
world
is
you
know
a
right
or
left
conspiracy
or
whatever
I
do
think
it's
instructive
on
the
knot.
If
we
care
about
this,
but
how
we
do
it,
the
you
had
yet
people
from
the
Hubble
conlan
an
app
family
companies.
Here
you
know
I'm
I'm
in
a
political
party
where
those
people
have
been
pretty
important
to
us
and
they're.
Saying,
let's
just
make
sure
we
do
this
in
a
way
where
it
can
be
healthy
and
productive.
R
The
the
first
comment:
it
was
actually
my
wife
who
could
normally
doesn't
care
about
anything
we
talked
about,
or
you
know,
I
mean
it's.
This
is
just
not
her
deal
and
she
said
Oh
a
little
bit
like
the
cereal
box,
where
people
had
to
start
putting
the
ingredients
down
on
there.
You
know
where,
where
people
can
read
and
I
thought
to
myself,
that's
that's
actually
a
really
good
analogy
on
being
transparent
and
open
about
data.
R
You
know:
nobody's
passed,
a
law
that
says
I
can't
have
my
Froot
Loops,
but
but
I
do
know,
what's
in
it
and
I
think
if
we
can
find
a
place
to
get
there,
that
is
not
overly
burdensome
on
the
businesses
that
that
would
be
good.
Here
are
a
couple
of
things
on
my
list,
and
this
is
repeating
that
I'd
like
to
be
thinking
about
the
instrument
itself.
R
A
couple
of
the
people
that
spoke
said:
there's
a
better
instrument
than
the
energy
star
or
the
portal
that
we're
gonna
use,
I'd
like
to
make
sure
we're
on
the
right.
One
people
have
talked
about
multi-housing,
but
it's
multi-tenant,
I.
Think
right.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
not
you
know,
there's
a
number
of
multi-tenant
buildings
that,
if
so
I
want
to
make
sure
we
get
that
right,
I
think
nailing.
R
The
fine
versus
the
incentive
is
important
and
I
think
the
appeal
process
is
important:
I
don't
really
get
it
and
in
reading
it
a
couple
of
times,
I
don't
know
if
somebody
can
be
fined
every
30
days
or
if
in
year
one
they
get
300
year
to
is
500
or
is
it
every
time
they
miss
a
30
day
window?
They
get
fined
again,
quite
honestly,
I
think.
R
C
B
You're
saying
that,
let
me
say
one
thing:
I
think
that
I
absolutely
agree.
We
want
to
make
sure
we're
doing
it
on
the
right
platform,
but
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
our
committee
has
worked
on
and
I
think
we
want
to
look
into
a
little
deeper,
but
I
think
the
data
should
be
comparable,
and
so,
if
we're
not,
you
know
using
a
platform
that
everybody
else
is
and
either
the
collection
or
the
reporting
way.
Then,
if
it's
not
comparable,
then
we
ought
to
look
at
what
we're
doing.
B
B
R
R
Last
two
things
that
I'd
throw
out
just
for
the
list
of
things
that
we're
gonna
look
at
is
what
does
the
report
look
like
online?
That
ties
to
the
mayor's
point
about
compare
abilities
and
others,
and
what
what
what
kind
of
liabilities
or
issues
do
we
have
if
we
post
bad
data
or,
and
that's
probably
something
for
the
attorney
just
to
help
us
navigate.
R
So
those
are
all
those
are
all
things
that
that
I'm
worried
about
and
I'm
worried.
If
we
don't
hit
it
really
square
and
get
buy-in
from
a
lot
of
these
folks,
it
will
it'll
it'll
die
of
its
own
weight.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
a
sustainable,
no
pun
intended
or
it
is
intended.
Maybe
it's
both
its
sustainable
in
many
ways.
All.
B
Right
great
comments
by
everybody
and
obviously
there's
lots
of
differences
opinion,
but
that's
I,
guess
what
democracy
is
all
about
and
I
want
you
to
know
that
is.
Is
we
represent
the
people
of
Des
Moines,
it's
not
about
Democrats
and
Republicans.
This
is
about
best
policy
and
best
efforts
to
make
Des
Moines
a
great
place
to
live
and
a
great
place
to
raise
a
family
grow
up.
Business
do
things
and
every
single
day,
whether
it's
a
pothole
or
it's
a
sewer
or
a
street
light.
B
Let's
get
together
very
quickly
and
see
what
we
can
do
to
try
to
make
this
process
something
that
it
works.
I'm
not
saying
it's
going
to
pass.
If
it
doesn't
pass
I
guess
you
know
we're
back
to
the
drawing
board,
but
on
the
other
hand,
I
think
that
I
appreciate
everybody's
input
and
for
anybody
that
feels
like
that
they
weren't
there
for
the
whole
process
and
need
to
be
there
for
more
of
it.
The
doors
still
open
this.
B
This
thing
is
going
to
be
moving
forward
for
years
to
come
and
we
want
to
help
everybody
achieve
their
their
highest
goal
possible
and
and
hopefully
that
for
those
of
you
in
the
business
side,
it
improves
a
bottom
line
and
improves
it.
So
thank
you
for
for
your
input,
but
we've
got
a
motion.
I
think
that
we
all
understand
so.
L
Q
Voting
for
the
ordinance
as
written
and
we're
going
to
work
on
these
issues.
We
need
to
see
language
before
we
would
make
any
amendment
and
that
can
be
done
at
the
next
reading.
There
are
also
the
pieces
looking
at
the
voluntary
incentive
and
that
may
or
may
not,
and
then
some
of
that's
going
to
be
longer
than
perhaps
just
this,
but
certainly
the
piece
of
the
recognition
piece.
My
hope
is
that
we
can
have
that
a
little
more
flushed
out
to
share
with
folks
within
the
next
reading.
AE
B
B
B
AI
The
need
for
a
traffic
signal
on
the
corner
of
South
West,
7,
Southwest,
9th
and
Davis
Avenue,
the
I'm,
also
here
to
talk
about
a
guy
by
the
name
of
Joseph
Fuller,
who
was
a
12
year
old,
who
was
crossing
that
Street
a
couple
of
years
ago
and
he
was
killed
right
there
at
that
intersection
and
I'm.
Also
here
to
talk
to
you
about
my
wife
who
was
driving
I
don't
drive,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
and
that's
a
good
thing.
AI
My
wife
is
cited.
She
drives
and
she
was
trying
to
turn
left
off
of
Southwest
9th
on
October
28th
of
of
18
last
year,
and
she
was
plowed
into
by
a
driver
coming
too
fast
down
the
hill
there
and
she's
still
injured
as
a
result
of
that,
and
so
in
addition
to
those
dangerous
incidents
that
hadn't
happened
in
that
on
that
location,
I
there's
also
been
some
complicating
factors.
AI
There
they're
doing
some
work
at
the
part
there
and
there's
a
road
that's
closed,
so
that
usage
on
that
street
is
increased
and
there's
a
construction
over
on
floor
drive
where
they're
down
to
two
lanes
of
one-way
in
each
direction,
and
so
that's
increasing
the
amount
of
traffic
on
that
stretch
that
goes
and
I'm
talking
about
it's
if
you're
familiar
with
it
lay
of
the
land
there.
It's
just
across
the
river
bridge,
going
south
from
downtown
and
it's
there's
a
great
park
there.
AI
AI
B
AI
T
AI
The
couple
of
the
things
I
want
to
mention
about
that
intersection
is
not
to
travel.
We
want
to
talk
to
the
traffic
department
and
they
were
very
nice
to
me
by
the
way
they
said
they
had
some
kind
of
a
assessment
that
they
use
and
one
of
the
things
that
was
not
brought
out.
There's
like
eight
criteria
in
this
assessment,
and
they
said
that
there
there
was
not
a
school
involved
so
that
wasn't
didn't
meet
that
criteria.
But
there
is
a
stadium
there.
AI
That's
where
the
football
is
played
just
to
a
about
two
blocks
west
of
that
intersection
and
that's
where
the
buses
come
and
they
use
that
field.
Three
three
quarters
of
the
year,
not
the
dead
of
winter,
but
they
use
that
field.
Prettier
year-round
so
and
these
big
buses
come
and
they
have
difficult
time
going
up.
AI
It's
a
steep
grade,
they're
coming
up
out
of
that
headed
east
from
on
Davis
Avenue
to
merge
and
head
back
to
other
parts
of
the
community
with
their
I
just
wanted
to
raise
that
issue
and
I
appreciate
your
support
and
taking
a
look
at
that
and
helping
to
make
our
our
community
are
our
neighborhoods
safer.
So
thank
you.
AI
AJ
B
AJ
AJ
There
knew
it
stated
how
dangerous
that
corner
was
now
that
floor
is
down.
The
way
it
is.
Is
that
Joe
you
see
that
Street.
It's
insane
people
drive
down
that
road,
no
regard
to
anyone.
None!
It's
a
speedway
I
can
give
you
some
traffic
when
they
put
the
cameras
out
there,
the
mobile
traffic
unit,
the
2017.
AJ
They
put
it
out
there
five
times
average
of
eighty
tickets
of
time,
3870
cars
well
and
that's
one
way,
so
you
got
to
kind
of
double
those
numbers
and
that's
only
going
from
8
o'clock
in
the
morning
till
5
o'clock
at
night,
the
next
year
2018
six
times
average
74
tickets
3140
cars
this
year.
The
first
time
was
out
there.
103
tickets
4301
cars,
one
direction,
that's
it
on
the
street
department
they
sent
me.
AJ
They
were
kind
enough
to
send
me
the
the
study
they
did
and
they
had
20,000
cars
going
down
that
road
with
85
people
on
a
Wednesday
85
people
crossing
that
Street.
We
didn't
need
a
threshold,
apparently
with
85
people
crossing
the
street
with
20,000
cars.
People
fly
down
that
road.
This
year,
I
went
back
and
looked
at
my
cameras,
because
this
was
done
seven
months
ago.
It
took
me
seven
months
to
count
that
cars
by
the
way
they
did
the
study
seven
months
ago,
took
him
that
long
to
get
it
out.
AJ
I
went
back
to
have
cameras
on
that
Street.
My
lowest
number
I
had
70
people
across
that
Street.
My
highest
number
I
had
258
people
across
that
street
in
one
day
and
that's
from
11
o'clock
until
it
got
dark
and
there
was
still
a
parking
lot
full
of
cars
across
the
street.
So
there
was
more
people
across
and
I
just
couldn't
see
it's
ridiculous.
It's
the
most
dangerous
corner.
I've
ever
seen
like
Frank,
was
saying
the
gentleman
had
a
young
man
was
killed
there.
Just
this,
it
was
April
4th
and
5:30.
AJ
Somebody
went
over
the
where
the
people
stand
on
the
corner
to
cross,
went
right
through
that
and
hit
the
building
across
from
where
I
rent
the
parking
lot
went
right,
where
people
should
have
been
standing
people
there
somebody's
going
to
get
killed,
somebody's
going
to
die
that
in
this
month
alone,
I
have
witnessed
four
accidents
on
that
corner.
Witness
them
I,
don't
know
how
many
are
happening
when
I'm,
not
there.
There's
three
telephone
poles
in
front
of
my
business.
AJ
AJ
You
know
in
the
last
two
and
a
half
years
that
I've
been
open,
I
paid
over
$300,000
in
taxes,
payroll
taxes,
yeah
payroll
taxes,
sales
taxes,
the
property
taxes,
I
called
all.
My
accountants
got
all
the
numbers
together.
It's
over
three
hundred
thousand
dollars,
I've
paid
taxes,
put
a
crosswalk
there
at
the
minimum.
Put
a
crosswalk
I
believe
Frank
is
correct.
It
needs
to
be
a
stoplight.
You've
got
McRae
park.
Now.
We've
spent
well
over
a
million
dollars
to
get
that
going.
You
can
fish
in
that
pond.
You
can
ice
skate
in
that
pond
I'd.
AJ
Never
let
my
kid
cross
that
Street
to
use
that
part.
Why
would
anybody
it's
it's
a
terribly
dangerous
corner
when
we
first
purchased
that
building
and
we
were
remodeling
it?
A
young
girl,
six,
seven
years
old
came
up
to
the
corner,
my
wife
and
I
are
inside.
She
walked
up
the
corner,
she
stood
there.
She
stood
there,
she
stood
there.
She
stood
there.
She
finally
sat
down
on
the
sidewalk
because
she
couldn't
get
across
the
street.
AJ
My
wife
went
out,
took
her
hand
and
they
ran
across
the
street
because
you
have
to
run
across
Southwest
9th.
If
you
have
any
kind
of
a
problem,
you
can't
walk
fast
or
run.
You
cannot
get
across
Southwest.
Ninth.
You
just
talked
about
how
this
is
a
committee
to
do
things
in
the
neighborhood
things
that
are
easily
done,
not
co2
emissions.
That's
going
to
take
a
whole
big
thing.
This
is
something
easily
fixed
for
the
neighborhood
there's
a
large
group
of
people
that
live
in
that
neighborhood.
They
deserve
better
than
they're
getting
the
cars.
AJ
The
buses
buses,
I,
Drive,
that
road
six
times
a
day,
I
live
downtown
I
go
back
and
forth
to
the
restaurant
cars
ride
you
they
yell
at
you.
They
do
I've,
seen
gestures
to
you.
I've
had
I've
been
on
that
street
corner
and
have
bottles
thrown
at
me.
I've
planted
flowers
outside
the
other
day.
If
I
was
planting,
flowers
I
had
some
debris
from
the
street.
I
thought.
I
brought
it
with
me
large
pieces
of
plastic
that
hit
me
while
I
was
planting
flowers
because
the
buses
go
right
by
there
zoom
by
there.
AJ
Six
hundred
more
kids
are
gonna,
go
to
Lincoln
High
School
next
year,
six
hundred
more
kids,
you're
gonna
be
walking
around
that
neighborhood
are
gonna,
be
taking
buses,
their
parents
are
gonna,
be
picking
them
up.
We've
got
at
least
two
years
that
floor
is
gonna,
be
closed
down
like
it
is
the
traffic
out.
There
is
it's
about.
You
have
to
go,
see
it
to
believe
it
it
that
people
just
fly
down
that
road,
and
it
is
a
steady
stream
I.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
B
K
B
K
Mayor
just
real
quick
comments:
I've
grown
up
had
a
business
there
for
26
years,
one
block
away
from
that.
So
I'm
real
familiar
with
what
Clark's
talking
about
I,
usually
exit
out
of
there
or
go
to
the
bank
or
come
up
by
this
corner.
Cars
fly
up
and
down
Southwest
night.
They
have
for
40
years
ever
since
I've
started
driving.
K
You
know,
I've
listened
to
the
neighborhood
association.
Tell
me:
yes,
we
needed
crosswalk.
We
need
a
traffic
signal
there.
I've
had
customers
come
down
at
the
restaurant
that
are
Clark's
customers
and
he's
doing
a
great
job
there
and
hats
off
to
you,
because
every
business
except
for
the
business
would
my
first
bought.
K
You
know
I'm,
not
sure,
there's
things
that
have
been
told
to
us
before
that
says:
it's
not
warranted
and
we've
we've
made
a
decision.
The
seven
of
us
that
it
is
warranted
so
I
believe
that
you
know,
maybe
we
just
take
a
look
at
it
and
and
we
see
what
we
can
come
up
with,
because
anything
that
can
slow
traffic
down
around
that
corner.
K
Okay,
anything
that
can
slow
traffic
around
on
that
corner,
how
thin
it
is
because
we
talked
about
how
when
the
lanes
are,
you
know
thin
and
not
wide
how
people
are
it's
going
to
slow
down?
They
don't
slow
down
around
that
corner
and
it's
he's
absolutely
right.
I.
You
know
if
I'm
turning
right
on
Kirkwood
or
turn
it
right
on
Davis,
you
better
look
in
your
rear
view,
mirror
make
sure
you're
not
going
to
get
rear-ended
because
they're
on
your
tail
and
well.
R
K
And
you,
you
know,
he's
he's
absolutely
right
when
I
I
mean
he
has
his
parking
lots,
not
that
big
and
in
hats
off
to
you
for
being
successful
in
a
lot
of
his
customers
are
parking
across
the
street.
You
know
the
he's
cut
a
deal
with
the
with
the
tenant
across
the
street
to
allows
customers
to
park
there,
and
you
know
what
we
need
to
accommodate
someone
being
successful
and
so
good
job
on
you
and
let's
see
what
we
can
do.
B
K
B
K
Q
And
file
and
motion
to
receive
and
file
and
get
a
recommendation
from
the
city
engineer
on
a
plan
for
this
and
really
because
I
know
the
issue
has
been
studied
from
a
signalization
perspective
and
that
may
not
be
the
right
solution.
So,
let's
look
at
perhaps
other
traffic
calming
and
traffic
enforcement
solutions
and
see
see
what
what
makes
sense.
Because
a
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
the
issue
is
the
speed
and
figuring
out
how
to
reduce
speed.
Q
N
B
AK
Vice
2505
47th
Street
I,
initially
got
on
the
agenda
for
the
citizens
advisory
board
status.
However,
after
reviewing
my
materials
from
the
capital
improvement,
Infrastructure
Committee,
which
I
was
a
part
of
one
of
our
key
recommendations,
was
to
have
an
oversight
committee
I've
reached
out
to
Jonathan
a
couple
times,
and
he
referred
to
the
citizens
advisory
board.
I'm,
not
sure
we're
talking
about
the
same
thing.
AK
B
AK
So
it's
that
an
oversight
committee
for
the
infrastructure,
because
I
think
it
was
my
understanding
that
we
were
getting
our
own
oversight
committee
and
I
feel
that,
with
the
magnitude
of
the
storm
sewer
issues
facing
the
city,
that
we
should
have
our
own
committee,
that
it
should
not
be
a
combined
citizens.
Advisory
with
all
the
other
issues
is.
AK
K
AL
Jonathan,
gay,
no
public
works
director,
yet
we
have
a
requirement
imposed
on
us
by
the
state
of
Iowa
to
stand
up
a
storm
water,
Advisory
Committee,
and
something
that
we
have
for
several
years
been
unable
to
due
to
a
lack
of
volunteers.
We
now
have
a
surplus
of
volunteers
that
are
very
interested,
so
my
intention
is
to
limit
the
the
advisory
capacity
to
storm
sewers
rather
than
you
know,
whole
purpose
advisory
capital
improvements-
that's
the
whole
host
of
that
would
be
the
entire
book
would
be
way
beyond
I.
AL
Think
the
both
the
interest
level
of
the
volunteers
and
the
the
capacity
of
one
department,
since
that's
six
departments,
are
involved
in
the
internet
and
the
entire
capital
improvements
plan.
So
the
intention
is
to
mail
out
invitations
by
the
end
of
this
week
to
those
who
have
registered
an
interest.
So
we
can
do
both.
You
know
the
two
birds
with
one
stone
of
satisfy
the
the
feedback
from
the
the
flood
response,
after-action
report,
all
of
the
citizen
committees
to
have
a
feedback
loop
to
the
community
and
also
satisfy
an
element
in
our
stormwater
permit.