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Des Moines City Council meeting on Monday, March 25, 2019 in Des Moines, Iowa.
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A
A
A
A
It's
been
moved
any
discussion
on
favor,
say:
aye
opposed
item
passes.
Item
3
is
approving
2080
agreement
for
the
city
of
Ankeny,
for
payment
of
administrative
costs
of
section
8
program,
we'll
open
it
up
and
see.
If
there's
anybody
here,
that
would
like
to
speak
to
the
section
8
program
that
the
city
administers
for
the
city
of
Ankeny.
A
Four
is
approving
the
significant
amendment
to
the
des
moines
municipal
housing
agency,
2018
admissions
in
continuing
IV
occupancy
plan,
chapter
thirteen
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
Department
of
Housing
and
Urban
Development
HUD
public
housing
over
income
statutory
requirements.
Is
there
anyone
here
to
speak
to
this
item
move
item
four
Animus
four
has
been
moved:
ask
everybody
to
vote.
Please
any
discussion.
A
A
Prior
to
the
start
of
our
City
Council
meeting
this
evening,
we're
gonna
have
some
words
with
our
own
City
Council
member
or
from
our
own
City
Council
member
Chris,
Coleman
I'm.
Mr.
Coleman,
would
you
like
to
everybody
stand
yeah.
Do
you
mind
thank
if
everybody
would
stand
this
moment
or
participate
with
us?
Would
he
ask
you
to
do
so
at
this
time.
E
So
many
of
us
have
the
professional
staff
that
lead
our
city,
all
the
frontline
workers,
especially
the
first
responders,
our
police
and
firefighters,
those
in
our
parks
and
Public
Works
that
do
so
much
to
contribute
to
a
high
quality
of
life,
and
so
I
ask
you
to
join
me
in
a
prayer
and
a
good
thought
for
their
well-being,
their
safety
and
we've
blessed
their
work
at
the
city
with
with
goodwill
and
long
happiness,
we're
very
thankful
and
appreciative
of
their
work.
So
for
the
workers
of
the
City
of
Des,
Moines
I.
A
A
Item
2
is
approving
the
agenda
as
presented
and/or
as
amended
a
couple
of
quick
consent
items.
Item
4b
was
withdrawn.
The
expect
inspections
are
incomplete.
Item
5
was
withdrawn.
Inspections
on
that
one
are
also
incomplete.
6
is
corrected.
His
roll
call
item
13
and
13
a
was
withdrawn
by
the
city
manager
for
further
study
item
26
is
corrected,
roll
call
and
council
communication.
A
E
E
E
A
A
Ok,
so
we
could
have
a
motion
move
item,
2
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
.
opposed
Adam
passes.
Item
3
is
approving
the
consent
agenda
these
tonight
or
items
3
through
39.
These
are
routine
items
and
are
generally
enacted
by
a
one.
Roll
call
vote
without
separate
discussion
was
somebody
either
from
the
audience
or
a
city
council.
Member
asked
to
have
one
polled
for
clarification
or
further
discussion
this
evening
item
for
c4l,
4w,
council
member
kulmann
votes,
no
item,
15,
councilmember,
Mandelbaum
votes,
no
item,
29
councilmember
Mandelbaum
wishes
to
speak
in
item
30.
A
A
G
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
one
item
that
maybe
came
a
little
late
in
this
process.
I
think
there's
a
willingness
to
address
it,
but
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
flagged
appropriately,
and
that
is
the
the
property
owner.
As
part
of
this
agreement
has
been
working
on
dart
access.
That
is
part
of
the
agreement.
G
The
one
thing
that
was
not
included
that
we
would
like
to
see
included
is
that
the
dart
access
is
capable
of
allowing
a
shelter
to
be
placed
wherever
that
permanent
dart
access
is
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
was
included
as
part
of
this
process.
I,
don't
know
if
we
need
I,
don't
know
that
we
need
to
amend
what
we're
doing,
but
maybe
get.
If
there's
anyone
from
the
building
owner
present
a
commitment,
Oh.
I
It's
very
good
question
and
we
are
certainly
committed
to
making
sure
that
the
location
is
both
an
oxidant
to
the
building,
which
is
the
most
important,
as
well
as
having
a
separate
shelter
so
that
passengers
can
wait
at
the
bus.
Stop
grateful
the
new
bus
stop
and
even
the
temporary
bus
stop
as
we're
talking
to
dart
about,
will
all
be
within
easy,
accessible
access
for
all
great.
G
J
I
A
In
Liz,
thank
you
for
all
the
time
that
you
and
your
team
have
committed
that
we're
looking
for
some
great
outcomes
out
there,
and
we
know
that
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
we're
doing
is
contingent
upon
those
great
outcomes.
So,
let's
keep
working
together.
That's
an
important
piece
of
the
northwest
side
and
hopefully
we're
going
to
have
some
opportunity
to
work
in
some
of
the
other
areas
of
town.
But
I
think
this
will
be
a
good
model
how
to
move
forward.
Yes,.
J
A
A
F
A
A
A
Let's
move
quickly
forward
with
extra
item
one
it's
a
request
from
for
council
to
review
and
approve
a
letter
to
Commissioner
Dan
Matthews
at
the
u.s.
General
Administration
regarding
the
federal
courthouse
design
quickly.
Mr.
manager,
do
you
want
to
make
a
quick
comment
on
this?
We've
been
working
on
this
with
the
council
and
for
how
many
years
now,
okay,
one.
K
I'll
be
very
brief.
Obviously
we
have
received
information
on
the
design
of
the
GSA
building
the
federal
courthouse
across
the
river
and
in
in
summary,
it
is
actually
not
meeting
the
expectations
that
were
put
forth
and
the
understanding
of
what
the
building
could
be
from
a
pedestrian
standpoint
from
a
citizen
wanting
to
take
part
in
the
River
Walk
and
and
have
an
opportunity
to
step
off
the
River
Walk
into
more
public
space
and
potentially
even
some
retail
at
the
site.
So
this
letter
would
essentially.
K
L
As
you
know,
we
have
sent
a
letter
to
the
to
the
GSA
and
to
government
officials
opposing
the
location
of
the
federal
courthouse
on
the
former.
Why
site
and
I
just
here
to
reiterate
our
opposition
to
that
for
many
reasons
that
that
Scott
mentioned
it
just
does
not
fit
in
with
the
character
of
what
we
want
to
see
there.
Something
that
can
enter
pedestrian-friendly
can
interact
with
the
with
the
Riverwalk
and
also
something
that
can
be
some
of
a
signature.
L
It's
a
signature
site
there
and
we'd
like
to
see
a
signature
building
and
something,
as
hopefully
will
generate
revenue
for
the
city.
I
understand.
There's
a
letter
in
front
of
you
and
my
only
comment
on
that
on
behalf
of
Meredith
and
the
business
community
is
I
hope
that
maybe
you
would
table
that
letter
and
we
could
develop
the
strategy
a
little
bit
further.
It
seems
strange
to
have
correspondence
back
and
forth
on
a
design
project
when
we
really
don't
even
want
the
project
there
in
the
first
place.
F
Kind
of
new
to
the
courthouse
issue
and
based
on
the
review
that
we
had
it's
it
doesn't
even
it
doesn't
seem
to
meet
the
criteria
for
our
design,
but
it
also
doesn't
seem
to
meet
their
criteria
for
space
when
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
get
everybody
in
their
own
space
that
they
currently
have
so
I.
Think
there's
more
than
a
design
issue.
That
I
would
be
concerned,
if
I
with
them
and
for
us
to
become
where'd.
H
H
mayor
I,
know
you've
had
those
discussions
with
our
congressional
staff
and
we
can
say
we
don't
want
you
there
and
we've
said
that
and
we've
tried
to
say
that
and
it's
not
the
best
site
for
them,
but
unfortunately
they
don't
care,
and
there
are
certain
judges
that
work
in
that
building
that
want
it
on
that
site
and
I
believe
that
they're
going
to
put
it
on
that
site
and
with
the
10
million
dollar
investment
already
I
doubt
if
they're
gonna
walk
away
from
that.
So
sad
to
say
and.
E
I,
unfortunately,
am
generally
in
the
camp
that
that
Joe
is
in
I'd
like
to
think
that
there
would
be
some
openness
to
look
somewhere
else
and
the
language
that
I've
been
using
and
I
think
its
inherent
in
the
letter
in
front
of
us.
Probably
not.
This
strong
is
that
you
know
we.
We
share
goals
for
this
courthouse.
If
it
turns
out
that
the
site
itself
is
not
compatible
with
those
goals,
then
then
we
ought
to
look
at
other
sites.
E
In
the
letter
that's
drafted
again,
I
have
no
problem
being
stronger
as
well,
but
I
think
a
letter
where
we
draw
a
firm
stand
that
this
is
not
the
kind
of
courthouse
we
want
is
accomplished
in
the
letter
and
and
that's
half
of
what
I.
What
I
want
to
see
us
do
so?
I
I
I
could
vote
to
to
pass
it.
I
could
vote
to
to
wait
if
there
was
a
lot
of
people
that
thought
the
language
should
be
stronger.
E
J
Know-
and
we
all
sat
in
those
meetings
and
I
think
the
most
depressing
side
that
I
heard
was
their
value
engineering.
This
thing
down
to
a
level
well
translate
valued
engineer
engineering
and
we're
making
cost
cuts
that
aren't
good
and
they're
continually
doing
it.
I
see
this
thing
spiraling
down
even
worse,
I
think
we
I
mean
we
might
just
have
a
couple
of
wooden
matchsticks
up
there
and
hold
up
call
up
a
federal
courthouse.
J
You
know
I,
don't
know
Joe's
right
now
we
can
cry
and
bellyache
all
we
want
to,
and
they
don't
know
they
don't
care.
They
don't
care
about.
Des
Moines
at
all,
Des
Moines
is
so
far
off
their
radar
that
they
could
care
less.
But
I
would
like
to
see
that
we
just
said
less.
At
least
I,
don't
know,
Hey,
look,
don't
don't
don't
devalue
this
thing
anymore.
Let's,
let's
make
sure
that
we've
got
something
that
everybody
can
be
proud
of
or
let's
take
another
look
at
it.
I.
C
J
C
Just
think
that
it's
important
that
everybody
is
aware
that
this
is
a
hundred
and
thirty
six
million
dollars
that
they're
going
to
build
for
a
new
courthouse
when
they
have
something
that's
adequate
right
now,
I
mean
we
were
there
last
week,
I
just
I.
Just
am
amazed
that
our
federal
government
is
really
gonna,
spend
a
hundred
and
thirty
six
million
dollars
when
there
are
so
many
other
things
that
we
need
I
would
I
would
be
in
support
of
sending
a
stronger
letter
if
they
don't
care
about
us
anyway.
What
do
we
have
to
lose?
C
But
I
think
we
shouldn't
let
it
be
known
that
we
that
we
oppose
the
site
I
mean
there's
a
better
place
to
build
a
courthouse
than
right
there
and
the
design
that
they
show.
This
was
not
good.
I
mean
it's
not
anything
what
they
what
we
went
to
them
and
said
this
is
what
we
want
and
they
came
back
and
just
give
us
a
box
yeah.
So
I
think.
F
A
For
everybody
in
the
audience,
I'm
glad
you're.
Here
it
was
interesting
when
we
had
our
first
meeting
with
them
after
a
year
or
so
of
them.
Looking
around
and
thinking
about
it
and
then
saying
that
they're
going
to
move
forward
when
Des
Moines
after
over
twenty
years
got
moved
up
in
the
pecking
order
for
a
investment
in
the
federal
court
system
after
they
already
had
built
one
in
Cedar
Rapids.
A
This
is
not
the
only
courthouse
that
they're
building
they're
building
them
at
all
over
the
country
and
they
have
new
specs,
so
a
GSA
and
and
the
judges
not
only
here
but
in
Washington
about
what,
what
it
means
and
in
how
they
protect
the
citizens
and
the
defendants
and
the
judges
and
everybody,
and
in
how
all
that
works.
It's
interesting
that
the
original
meeting
we
had
had
almost
this
many
people
in
the
room,
and
we
all
said
you
wanted
three
to
five
acres.
A
A
Sloughs
art
just
pointed
out,
is
very
important
in
the
community,
all
members
of
the
community,
no
matter
who
they
are,
what
their
income,
what
their
age
enjoy.
We
think
the
the
Riverwalk
and
are
able
to
without
charge
walk
around
it,
be
part
of
it
and
have
a
quality
of
life
that
otherwise
wouldn't
be
available.
Had
that
not
been
created,
we
are
hopeful
that
a
place
like
this
could
also
have
some
public
space.
A
That
would
be
supportive
of
some
citizen
activity
and
that's
what
we
push
for,
and
we
thought
that
at
least
three
sides
of
it
should
have
a
nice
front
for
our
citizens
and
I.
Think
that
our
letter
very
expertly
points
out
that
it
doesn't
meet
those
standards
and
in
qualifications
if
they
are
to
use
that
site.
So
we
are
I
think
very
strong.
Only
in
in
very
pointedly
mr.
A
Any
letters
that
you
might
send
that
would
be
supportive
of
doing
the
project
right
to
meet
the
needs
of
our
citizens.
Not
only
just
the
defendants
and
the
people
that
occupy
the
courthouse,
but
the
people
that
walk
by
it
every
single
day
and
and
what
we
think
to
be
a
very
important,
critical
piece
to
the
quality
of
life
in
the
City
of
Des
Moines
and
that's
the
Riverwalk,
and
this
occupies
an
important
place
in
it.
A
So
if
they
at
this
moment,
if
somebody
has
a
motion,
I
I
think
we've
got
to
get
something
off
and
we
got
to
get
it
off
very
quickly.
Mr.
manager,
given
the
meetings
that
we've
had
with
them,
so
that
at
least
we
put
the
stake
in
the
ground
that
hears
our
concerns
with
the
current
project
as
it
is
and
and
taking.
A
In
regard
all
the
comments
that
have
been
made
by
some
of
the
others
that
have
come
in,
keep
in
mind
that
we've
been
trying
to
have
interesting
discussions
with
them
and
we
thought
meaningful
discussions
for
now
going
on
I
think
four
years.
So
here
we
are
with
them
about
the
stickers
paid
in
the
ground
and
we're
and
they've
already
have
some
costs
in
this
of
in
excess
of
ten
million
dollars.
And
we
think
probably
it's
sizably
more
than
that
could
be
yeah
but
be
ready.
I'll.
H
Make
a
motion
to
to
move
item.
One
approve
the
letter
that
you
have
I
I
wish.
We
can
send
a
different
message:
I
wish
that
they
would
have
moved
out
in
the
market
district
and
picked
that
site,
because
that
would
have
been
a
perfect
spot
for
him
and
they
would
have
had
plenty
of
room
to
do
it.
But
I
believe
when
our
congressional
leadership-
and
one
of
them
has
been
there
a
great
many
years
when
they
say
that
the
ship
has
already
sailed
and
it's
going
to
get
built
by
sight.
H
Some
of
the
folks
in
the
leadership
of
their
judicial
portion
of
a
federal
government
here
wants
to
be
on
that
site
and
they're
not
budging
from
it.
So
I'll
I
moved
item
1
for
the
letter
that
you've
got
about
the
design
and
we
can
vote
on
it
and
if
that
fails,
and
you
guys
can
write
whatever
letter,
you
want.
H
E
E
Is
it
possible
that
we'd
be
part
of
that
meaning
share
our
concerns
there
and
have
a
chance
to
rewrite
the
letter
coming
off
of
this
I
mean
I
I
think
we're
in
a
little
bit
of
a
bind
as
the
mayor
points
out,
they
talked
about.
You
know
breaking
ground
in
the
coming
months.
I
think
time
is
of
the
essence.
Our
congressional
delegation
wrote
us
copied
us
on
a
letter.
They
wrote
to
them
and
I
think
we
have
an
obligation
to
get
back
to
them,
but
I'd
like
to
know.
E
A
And
keep
in
mind
that
we
did
that
four
years
ago,
mr.
Coleman
and
you
were
there
I
know
and
that
we
said
it,
then
we've
been
saying
it
ever
since
and
so
I
think
we
ought
to
say
that
now,
but
in
the
meantime
we
know
what's
going
on
is
mr.
gato
has
pointed
out,
we've
been
told
by
those
in
Washington
that
the
ship
has
sailed
and
we
ought
to
work
on
some
sort
of
a
conversation
that
enhances
the
design
at
the
site,
which
was
selected
and
they'll
work
with
us
to
try
to
make
that
happen.
A
H
G
F
A
F
N
H
H
F
H
E
A
All
right,
we
were
going
to
move
ahead
with
the
item
two,
but
we
are
required
to
start
our
hearings
at
five
o'clock,
so
we're
going
to
quickly
work
through
those
takes
this
item
45
and
then
we'll
go
back
through
the
after
the
extra
items
which
will
quickly
follow
our
hearing
items.
Our
first
hearing
item
will
open.
The
hearings
is
item
45.
It's
on
the
approval
in
2018
US,
Department
of
Housing
and
Urban
Development
HUD,
consolidated
annual
performance
and
evaluation
report.
The
caper
council
communication
number
19
111
with
all
of
the
people
in
the
audience.
Mr.
K
A
A
46
is
on
the
vacation
of
the
north-south
alley:
right-of-way
between
South
West,
first
Street
and
South
West
second
Street
from
medicine,
Avenue
to
Columbus
Avenue
and
a
conveyance
of
C
s,
family
Properties,
LLC,
Corey,
Steiner
officer
to
allow
for
the
assemblage
with
adjoining
properties
for
the
redevelopment
with
a
senior
living
apartments
project.
Five
thousand
five
hundred
and
forty
four
dollars
is
the
first
consideration
of
the
ordinance
above
and
B
as
the
final
consideration.
The
Oren's
above
the
waiver
is
requested
by
the
applicant
and
requires
six
votes
item
46.
Let's
go
ahead
and
open
the
hearing.
A
A
Adam
47,
it's
on
the
request
from
the
Luthor
Memorial
Church
of
Des
Moines
Iowa
who's,
a
purchaser
to
rezone
1101
Grandview
Avenue
from
PUD
Planned
Unit
development
to
our
three
multi-family
residential
in
to
amend
the
Grandview
University
West
PUD
conceptual
plan
to
remove
the
subject
property
from
the
PUD
in
order
to
assemble
it
with
property
to
the
east,
at
1201,
Grandview
Avenue
for
expansion
of
the
existing
Church
at
1201,
Grandview
Avenue,
the
subject
property
is
owned
by
Grandview.
University
has
the
first
consideration
of
the
ordinance
above
and
B
as
the
final
consideration.
The
orange
above.
A
Adam
48
his
writings
regarding
property
at
11:45,
11
47,
24th,
Street,
Mulvihill
Farms
Inc
continued
from
February
25th
2019
hazed
amend
the
existing
plan
DSM
creating
our
tomorrow
plan.
Future
land
use
designation
from
low
medium
density,
residential
to
neighborhood
mixed-use
to
allow
for
rezoning,
limited,
NPC,
neighborhood,
pedestrian,
commercial
and
expansion
of
off
street
parking
for
an
existing
multifamily
dwellings
in
for
shared
parking
for
nearby
mixed-use
be
closed.
The
hearing
on
the
rezoning
for
the
property
from
our
160
low
density
residential
to
NPC,
neighborhood,
veteran
commercial
see,
is
the
perks
consideration.
A
O
I'm,
the
owner
of
the
two
properties
and
at
the
last
meeting
we
talked
about
having
a
third
option
requiring
access
from
24th
Street
I
worked
with
engineering
and
with
traffic
and
decided
that's
not
really
feasible.
Engineering
thought
would
be
too
hard
to
fit
that
between
two
of
my
properties,
the
driveway
and
traffic
thought
that
there's
already
adequate
access
from
24th
Street
on
the
north
and
south
sides
of
24th
Street
within
the
block,
and
that
most
parking
is
coming
from
the
they
prefer
to
have
parking
come
from
the
alleyway
anyway,
as
their
preference.
Okay,.
A
Right
takes
us
to
item
49
item
49
is
on
County
Line
Road
culvert
replacement
resolution,
bruising
plans,
specifications
form
of
contract
documents,
engineers
estimate
and
designating
the
lowest
responsible
bidder
as
Peterson
Contractors
Inc
Cordell
Peterson
president
197,000
$54.90
council
communication
number
19
125
a
is
approving
the
contract
and
bond
and
permission
to
sublet.
Let's
go
ahead
and
open
item
49
anybody
here
to
speak
to
this
item.
A
Item
50
he's
on
the
Evelyn
K
Davis,
Park,
basketball,
court
lighting
resolution,
improving
the
plans,
specifications,
form
of
contract
documents
and
engineer's
estimate
and
designating
lowest
responsible
bidder
is
ardent
lighting,
LLC
doing
businesses,
Arden
Arden,
Lighting,
Group,
LLC,
Cheney
Everly.
As
president.
Seventy
$2,800
council
communication
number
19
126
as
approving
the
contract
in
the
bond
and
I
will
say
that
this
this
item
is
has
been
sought
by
a
number
of
the
neighborhood
leaders
up
in
that
area
and
as
a
result
of
the
outcome
of
the
Local
Option
Sales
Tax.
A
We
are
able
to
move
this
thing
forward
and
we're
gonna
start
it
yet
and
get
it
done
and
up
this
summer.
So
I
want
to
thank
everybody.
That's
supported
that
that
tax
and
helps
us
move
some
of
these
projects
forward.
Then,
hopefully,
is
a
big
support
to
the
neighborhood
and
all
the
the
residents
in
the
youth
in
the
area.
So
let's
open
the
hearing
and
ask
if
anybody
has
anything
to
say
regarding
this
item.
E
P
J
Is
a
great
addition
out
there?
It's,
we
were
out
there
with
the
summer
hoops
program
and
it
was
great
to
see
all
the
kids
coming
out
there
playing
playing
their
hearts
out
and
using
their
time
productively.
So
putting
those
lights
on
it's
gonna
be
a
heck
of
a
great
addition
for
the
neighborhood
and.
C
If
I
can
just
add
one
thing,
please
Martin
Luther,
King
jr.
neighborhood
were
working
to
get
lights.
They
have
a
summer
hoops
program.
Also
that
will
be
held
two
months
during
the
summer.
We've
got
portable
lights
there,
but
we'd
really
like
to
see
an
addition
of
lights
in
the
future.
So
thank
you,
I
think
it's
a
good
addition
to
our
park
system.
Yep.
A
And
that
was
seven
or
Anna
okay.
Item
51
and
in
51
is
on
gray,
Street,
concrete
culvert
rehabilitation
resolution
proving
plans,
specifications
form
of
contract
documents,
engineers
Essman
designating
the
lowest
responsible
bidder,
his
pro
shot,
concrete
Inc,
Anthony,
the
Google
president,
six
hundred
and
sixty
four
thousand
two
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
council
communication,
number
19,
131
a
is
approving
the
contract
and
bond
and
permission
to
sublet.
Let's
go
ahead
and
open
the
hearing
on
this
item.
A
H
A
Item
52,
which
is
on
Riverview
Park
side
improvements,
a
resolution
improving
the
plans,
specifications,
form
of
contract
documents,
engineer's
estimate
designating
the
lowest
responsible
bidder
as
Munroe
construction,
company,
Patrick,
T
Monroe
as
president
six
hundred
and
twenty
seven
thousand
seven
hundred
and
ninety-three
dollars.
Council
communication
number
19,
156
K
under
that,
as
approving
the
contract
and
bond
and
permission
to
sublet,
let's
go
ahead
and
open
item
52
regarding
the
Riverview
Park
side.
Anybody
here
talk
about
this,
don't
see
anybody
immediately.
C
C
A
Item
53
is
on
the
University
Avenue
rehabilitation
from
56th
Street
to
48th
Street
resolution,
improving
the
plans,
specifications,
form
of
contract
documents,
engineers
estimate
and
designating
the
lowest
responsible
bidder
as
OMG
Midwest
Inc
doing
businesses,
Des
Moines
asphalt
and
paving
Jeffrey,
a
Chapman
general
manager,
seven
hundred
and
twenty
seven
thousand
six
hundred
and
seventy
seven
dollars
in
five
cents.
Council
communication
number
19,
138,
hey
it's
approving
the
contract
and
the
bond
and
permission
to
sublet
we'll
go
ahead
and
open
the
hearing
on
this
item
on
the
University
Avenue
Rehabilitation.
G
Q
A
Adam
54s
on
the
police
academy,
firing
range
HVAC
improvements,
reject
all
beds
and
close.
The
hearing
on
the
plan,
specifications
form
of
contract
documents
and
engineers
estimate
two
bids
received
both
were
way
over.
The
estimate.
Council
communication
number
19
134
anybody
here
to
speak
to
this
item.
D
A
A
A
Everybody
I
know
on
your
participation
here
is
very
important.
We
really
appreciate
you
coming
down
and
what
we
will
sort
of
direct
everybody
is
that
we
would
like
to
hear
new
ideas
and,
if
there's
some
stuff,
that
is
here-
and
you
see
it's
appropriate
to
any
speakers,
while
you
might
ask-
is
everybody
with
me
on
this
one
and
then
we'll
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
what
it
is
and
here's.
Mr.
Ted
you're
gonna
speak
to
okay,
okay,
okay,
so
is
this
11:2.
A
F
F
Sessions
are
really
a
great
community
conversations
last
summer,
and
this
is
a
reaction
to
some
of
the
items
that
they've
asked
us
to
look
at
as
a
city,
and
we
had
a
report
this
morning
about
with
the
bridging
the
gap
and
tying
some
of
the
things
together,
and
they
would
want
an
opportunity
to
speak
so
I'll.
Let
you
go
ahead
and
since
we
have
a
few
speakers.
R
Thank
you
very
much
for
hearing
from
us
tonight.
My
name
is
Lori
young
I'm,
a
resident
of
Des
Moines
I
live
at
2707
High
Street
here
in
Des,
Moines
I
understand.
We
have
a
lot
of
speakers,
so
I
will
try
to
be
as
brief
as
possible.
I
basically
joined
forces
with
Iowa
CCI
and
that's
Iowa
citizens
for
Community
Improvement.
Back
in
2014,
we
chose
racial
justice
as
a
community
priority
issue
and
form
the
racial
justice
team.
Let
me
state
for
the
record
and
from
the
beginning
we
are
not
anti
police.
We
are
not
anti
police.
R
We
need
and
respect
the
Des
Moines
police
force
to
protect
and
serve
all
of
its
citizens.
Equally,
we
have
logged
dozens
of
meetings,
hundreds
of
hours,
including
a
few
meetings
with
Chief
Wingert
and
his
staff
in
2016
and
17
over
the
issue
of
racial
profiling.
We've
kept
the
community
informed
and
engaged
every
step
of
the
way
we
have
learned
a
lot
from
black
residents
in
Des
Moines,
a
constituency
too
often
relegated
to
invisible.
I
am
here
to
share
my
reaction
publicly
to
what
I
observed
at
the
Des
Moines
City
Council
workgroup
meeting
this
morning.
R
At
7:30
a.m.
first
and
foremost,
the
council
and
the
city,
legal
staff
discussed
that
many
of
the
elements
of
the
proposed
ordinance
that
we
proposed
last
November
to
this
governing
body.
Many
of
those
elements
in
our
proposed
ordinance
are
similar
to
an
overlap
with
the
good
work
done
by
the
Des
Moines
civil
and
human
rights
commission,
bridging
the
gap
project.
Yes,
there
may
be
overlap,
but
let's
be
clear
that
what
the
Commission
has
pulled
together
and
what
we
have
formulated
after
years
of
work
on
this
issue
are
two
separate
things.
R
The
ordinance
that
we
proposed
in
November
is
also
backed
by
community
input.
That's
a
real,
sensitive
mic
and
comes
with
the
involvement
of
councilman
mandelbaum
and
Councilwoman
Bosen.
Most
recently
in
2018
we
held
three
community
meetings
with
over
300
residents
of
Des
Moines
in
attendance,
nine
hours
of
meeting
time,
dozens
of
manpower,
hours,
analyzing
community
feedback
and
reviewing
some
alarming
data
that
you'll
hear
more
about.
In
a
moment
from
the
gentleman
who
stands
behind
me,
we
have
been
to
the
State
Capitol
and
talked
to
state
legislators
as
well
on
passing
anti
racial
profiling
laws.
R
The
ordinance
we
propose
to
you
in
November
2018
continued
contains
six
distinct
elements,
reflecting
what
hundreds
in
the
community
are
demanding.
This
morning,
your
work
group
discussion
appeared
to
encourage
the
community
to
work
with
the
Des
Moines
human
and
civil
rights
commission
on
this
racial
profiling
issue.
The
Commission
has
no
authority
that
I'm
aware
of
to
ratify
all
our
part
of
our
proposal
into
a
legally
binding
ordinance.
They
do
a
lot
of
work
with
a
skeletal
staff.
R
They
will
already
be
taking
on
the
intake
process
to
receive
complaints
against
the
Des
Moines
police
department,
as
well
as
handle
matters
of
employment
and
housing
discrimination
among
many
other
important
work.
They
are
tasked
with.
Let
me
emphasize
it
until
we
get
a
clear
and
concise
response
to
our
ordinance
proposal
from
you,
the
City
Council.
We
will
not
stop
our
efforts
to
appear
before
you
to
engage
with
you
on
what
the
community
feels
is
needed
to
fully
address
the
issue
of
racial
profiling.
R
Quite
the
contrary,
we
will
be
like
a
steady
drumbeat
in
your
ear
that
gets
louder
and
stronger,
calling
on
the
spirit
of
our
ancestors
who
endured
racism
at
times
even
unto
death.
Until
we
are
satisfied,
we
are
a
coalition
of
black
white
and
brown
citizens
who
are
united
in
our
aim
and
racial
profiling
in
Des
Moines,
and
we
will
not
be
moved
again.
R
I
represent
the
racial
justice
team
of
Iowa
CCI
and
the
hundreds
of
community
members
who
insist
that
racial
profiling
be
stopped
in
real
and
meaningful
ways,
not
only
in
policy
which
goes
without
saying,
but
by
city
ordinance
like
so
many
other
progressive
and
inclusive
cities
across
America
have
done
it's
about
trust,
it's
about
transparency
and
it's
about
accountability,
racial
profiling,
Israel.
It
does
happen
here,
accept
it.
Let's
deal
with
it
and
be
the
model
city
that
we
claim
to
be.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
S
Mr.
mayor
members
of
the
council,
my
name
is
Harvey.
Harrison
I
live
at
680
Harwood
Drive
in
Des
Moines
in
2014,
the
ACLU
published
a
report
with
a
war
on
marijuana
and
black
and
white
report.
I
hope
you've
read
the
report
that
showed
in
Iowa.
Black
person
was
eight
times
more
likely
to
be
arrested
for
possession
of
marijuana,
in
spite
of
the
fact
that
blacks
and
whites
use
marijuana
equally.
S
At
that
same
time,
I
was
getting
more
and
more
deeply
involved
in
the
work
of
raising
up,
challenging
and
transforming
the
systemic
institutional
bias
against
blacks
in
education
and
justice
institutions
in
Iowa.
During
that
same
time,
we
learned
that
Iowa
was
the
worst
state
or
among
the
worst
in
disproportionality
in
criminalizing
and
incarcerating
our
black
brothers
and
sisters
in
Iowa.
You
were
and
are
still
about
13
times
more
likely
to
go
to
prison
if
you
were
black
than
if
you
were
white.
S
At
the
same
time,
our
Police
Department
and
other
public
officials
such
as
yourselves,
stated
that
racial
profiling
was
not
a
problem
in
Des
Moines.
This
was
also
a
time
when
mass
media
publications
were
describing
Des
Moines.
As
a
wonderful
place
to
live-
and
we
learned
from
other
publications
that
Des
Moines
was
among
the
worst
places
to
live,
if
you
were
black,
this
is
still
the
case.
S
S
The
des
moines
Public
Schools
have
acknowledged
this
and
reality
and
they're
working
to
change
it.
The
courts
have
recognized
this
in
the
juvenile
justice
system
and
are
attempting
to
find
ways
to
change
it.
The
directors
council
published
the
one
economy
report,
building
opportunity
for
all,
outlining
and
raising
up
the
economic
injustice
--is
that
now
still
exists
in
Des
Moines.
The
ACLU
has
just
published
a
document
called
blueprint
for
smart
justice,
which
includes
a
path
forward
to
end
mass
incarceration.
I
encourage
you
to
look
at
it.
S
That
plainly
demonstrate
the
ongoing
victimization
of
my
black
brothers
and
sisters,
your
black
constituents,
the
data
that
you've
looked
at
shows,
among
other
things,
for
example,
that
if
you
were
a
black
person
living
in
Des
Moines,
you
are
three
times
more
likely
to
be
stopped
by
the
book,
Des
Moines
police
department
than
if
you're
white.
If
you
were
a
black
person
living
in
Des
Moines,
you
are
almost
four
times
more
likely
to
put
in
be
put
in
jail
for
possession
of
a
controlled
substance
than
if
you
were
white.
S
And
finally,
if
you
are
a
black
person
living
in
Des
Moines,
you
are
over
12
times
more
likely
to
be
arrested
and
put
in
jail
for
interference
with
official
acts.
If
you
are
stopped
for
a
simple
equipment
or
mechanical
violation
than
if
you
are
white,
it
is
long
past
time
and
frankly,
we
expected
that
there
would
be
actions
by
the
end
of
January
or
early
February,
which
was
what
was
set
out
when
you
first
considered
this
in
November.
T
Well,
good
afternoon,
mr.
mayor
and
councilmembers,
my
name
is
Herbert.
Williams,
jr.
and
I
live
about
22:21,
34th,
Street
and
Des
Moines,
and
you
know
I'm
coming
before
you,
because
it's
like
I
was
before
you
again
in
November
right
and
we
proposed
six
city
ordinances
that
ends
racial
profiling,
bans,
pretextual,
stops,
collecting,
published
data
and
create
a
citizen
review
board
and
require
training
on
de-escalation
and
implicit
bias.
T
And
you
know
it's
like
you
haven't
gotten
back
with
us
and
we're
kind
of
you
know
waiting
for
a
reply
and
I
know
that
you
had
that
bridging
the
gap
program,
but
it's
not,
it
doesn't
hit
the
target.
You
know
I'm
saying
it's
closed
and
similar,
but
it's
it's
not
on
point.
You
know
Tim
because
it's
like
me,
being
a
black
man,
I'm
constantly
followed
I
mean
it's
like
I
going
hi
v--
right,
give
me
some
oatmeal
and
bananas.
You
know
I'm
saying
that's
my
diet
now
right
and
the
police.
T
Looking
at
me
like
I'm
gonna,
steal
something
I'm,
not
a
thief.
You
know
I'm,
saying
I
Drive
over
right
and
late
at
night
and
I
seen
15
police
and
walking
in
clusters.
Right
and
then
it's
like
I,
don't
know
what
that
means.
I
mean
it
looks
like
militia
or
something
like
that,
but
at
the
same
time
there's
other
things
going
on
than
just
what
they
call
profiling
people
that
ain't
really
doing
that
did
you
know
I
feel
like
I
get
real
paranoid
when
I
watch
like
that
and
also
follow
and
I
wonder.
U
Hi
I'm
Nancy
Goodman
I'm,
a
member
of
the
CCI
racial
justice
team,
ankeny
two
points
of
this
proposed
ordinance
could
be
enacted
right
away.
We
do
need
an
ordinance
banning
racial
profiling.
The
city
manager
informs
us
that
we
already
have
a
policy
in
place
that
there's
disciplinary
action
if
it's
ever
violated,
but
when
it's
violated.
What
is
the
procedure
without
naming
any
employees
what
disciplinary
actions
have
been
taken
and
without
any
data?
How
does
this
even
get
reported?
A
ban
on
racial
profiling
would
be
taken
more
seriously
if
it
had
the
force
of
law.
U
We
also
need
to
eliminate
pretextual
stops
driving
while
black
shouldn't
be
this
horrible
frightening
could
end
your
life
kind
of
experience,
I'm
white,
if
I
get
stopped
for
any
kind
of
minor
traffic
violation,
I'm,
not
really
worried
and
I.
Don't
really
fear
for
my
life.
I.
Don't
need
to
grip
that
steering
wheel
so
tightly
that
my
knuckles
just
turned
white,
because
I'm
so
afraid
I
might
get
dragged
out
of
the
car
handcuffed
humiliated.
I,
don't
know
it
could
be
worse.
U
Passing
these
two
proposals
would
go
a
long
way
toward
treating
black
people
with
the
respect
and
the
dignity
that
all
citizens
deserve.
The
community
has
worked
too
long
and
too
hard
on
his
proposals
to
still
be
ignored,
at
the
very
least,
were
entitled
to
serious
action
on
each
part
of
this
proposal.
Thank
you.
So
much.
P
Good
evening
I'm
Ron
Gooden
I'm,
a
member
of
the
CCI
racial
justice
team
and
I'm.
Also
a
member
of
Nancy's
family
I,
just
wanted
to
add
that
30
states,
unlike
Iowa,
already
banned
racial
profiling
and
they're,
not
necessarily
the
ones
you
might
imagine.
Texas
and
Alabama
have
laws
banning
racial
profiling
in
Des
Moines.
We
have
a
policy,
but
we
need
a
law.
The
city
has
not
responded
to
also
to
a
couple
of
our
other
points
that
were
submitted
in
November
and
one
of
those
was
to
ban
pretextual
stops.
P
The
police
may
consider
pretextual
stops
a
useful
tool
for
law
enforcement,
but
in
reality
it's
a
tactic.
That's
brought
to
bear
disproportionately
against
black
people.
We
all
know
that
white
drivers
in
affluent
neighborhoods
would
raise
hell
if
an
officer
pulled
them
over
for
a
burnt-out
taillight
and
proceeded
to
shine
a
flashlight
around
the
interior
of
their
car
and
ask
leading
questions
about
drugs
or
guns.
P
V
Hello,
my
name
is
Laurel
Clinton
I
live
at
eleven.
Ninety
tenth
Street
in
Des,
Moines
I
am
a
mother,
a
concerned
citizen
and
a
proud
member
of
CCI
I
was
a
person
that
came
to
the
full
council
in
April
and
invited
three
of
the
members
to
meet
with
the
black
community
to
problem-solve
around
issues.
We
know
exist
in
our
community
that
being
racial
profiling
and
the
other
six
ordinances
that
the
community
came
up
with
and
presented
to
the
full
council.
V
One,
for
instance,
I'm
a
dog
owner
and
I'm
trying
to
shorten
this,
so
we
can
get
the
other
people
in
I'm,
a
dog
owner
and
as
a
pet
owner,
I
am
tasked
to
live
under
ordinances.
That
say,
I
have
to
get
her
registered
vaccinate.
It
and
I
have
to
poop
scoop.
First
scoop.
Poop!
Excuse
me:
if
I
don't
do
these
under
these
ordinances,
I
can
be
fined
up
to
$500.
V
Given
you
stories
we've,
given
you
data,
my
son
was
well
documented
in
his
stop.
The
concern
I
have.
Is
that
we're
not
being
heard?
We
want
to
be
considered
one
of
the
best
cities
to
live
in,
but
yet
we're
still
bulking
when
it
comes
to
what
it.
Why
would
we
be
against
something
that
would
develop
trust
in
our
community?
Other
cities
are
actually
doing
racial
profiling
and
and
doing
the
ordinances
I
bring
up
the
fact
about
Putin
scooping
to
say
that
you,
as
council
members,
are
more
likely
to
step
in
dog
poop.
V
V
So
as
we
fill
the
chamber-
and
we
ask
you
to
reassess
and
reevaluate
our
request
to
ban
racial
profiling
as
a
commitment
so
that
we
can
be
the
best
City
so
that
when
people
come
here,
they
see
that
we're
progressive,
that
we
say
that
we
don't
want
to
treat
people
differently
or
less
than
dog
poop.
At
this
point,.
V
W
Good
evening
panel
and
citizen
out
here
today,
today's
my
name
is
Kelvin
Donny
again
I'm
a
citizen
of
Des
Moines
and
I've,
been
in
Des
Moines,
since
I
was
16.
I
am
53
in
couple
more
months,
I'm
a
resident
of
Polk,
County
and
I'm.
Here,
as
a
concerned
citizen
today,
I
have
served
my
country
as
a
veteran
I
have
worked.
My
entire
adult
life
now
I'm
in
a
position.
I
am
disabled.
I
paid
my
taxes.
W
W
As
a
community
we
were
told
there
would
be
a
report
of
a
finding
of
that
stuff
adds
up
today.
There
has
been
silence
and
no
report.
I
have
today
in
my
hands
another
court
case
that
involves
officer
fees.
That
I
would
like
to
you
guys.
Look
at
today.
The
defendant
was
found
not
guilty,
but
the
court
found
that
these
was
not
a
credible
and
his
testimony.
W
Officers
like
this
create
situations
for
black
men
like
me,
and
other
black
young
men
as
an
example,
I
got
in
a
little
trouble
two
years
ago,
so
I
got
caught
with
a
little
marijuana,
but
that
little
marijuana
cost
me
my
voting
rights
cost
me
my
driver
license.
I
cannot
get
a
housing
I
can't
rent
nowhere,
because
I
am
considered
a
felon
now
and
when
I
mean
then
a
felon.
Something
like
this,
if
you
guys
don't
sure
what
this
is.
This
is
seven
grams
of
pipe
tobacco.
W
W
Just
for
that,
little
bag
of
weed
have
cost
me
thousands
of
dollars.
Like
I,
said
I
I
applied
downtown
for
apartment.
You
know
they
told
me
you
got
a
criminal
record.
So
if
anyone
has
a
criminal
record
in
Des
Moines
Iowa,
you
will
not
be
allowed
to
rent
downtown
as
of
2019
the
likelihood
of
any
you
guys
ever
getting
racial
profile,
be
like
you
guys
get
hitting
by
lightning.
W
W
W
We
want
you
support
the
racial
profiling
ordinance.
Please
don't
drag
your
feet,
let's
start
separating
the
bad
apples
from
the
good
ones,
because
we
know
there
are
a
lot
of
good
apples
in
Des,
Moines
Iowa
on
our
forces,
but
you
guys
know
too.
There
are
some
bad
ones
and
we
need
to
get
rid
of
them
bad
ones.
God
bless
you.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
W
W
It
also
sings
if
I'm
wrong,
you
gotta
save
something,
but
it
also
seems
like
it's
being
put
on
the
des
moines
human
civil
rights
because
Joshua
it
just
happens
to
be
black
and
by
him
being
black
and
since
the
City
Council
and
police
chief
all
things.
Well,
it's
a
black
issue,
since
it's
mainly
black
folks
complaining.
W
Let's
give
it
to
that
black
man
see
if
he
can
deal
with
this
for
us.
So
then,
if
if
it
doesn't
go
right,
it's
on
him
in
on
us,
but
we
still
got
the
situation.
It
doesn't
handle
the
situation
at
all.
He
can
only
do
so
much.
You
folks
have
the
council,
you
can.
You
can
handle
this
today
if
you
wanted
to,
but
since
you
don't
want
to.
W
Yep
and
I
can
see
folks
getting
upset,
but
you
think
you're
upset.
How
do
you
think
folks
of
color
feel
putting
up
with
the
racial
profile
the
mirror
when
you
were
at
the
Harvey's
thing,
and
when
Harvey
asked
in
that
meeting
how
many
people
have
been
racially
profiled?
Would
you
stand
up
and
you've
seen
all
them?
Damn
people
of
color
standing
up
something
off
in
your
mind,
alternate
said:
oh
my
god.
This
is
really
happening,
that
if
you
didn't
know,
then
you
knew
because
there
was
quite
a
few
people
of
color.
W
If
you
intimidate
people
coming
to
complain
about
your
officers,
do
you
really
think
they're
going
to
come
back?
Do
you
really
think
anything
else
is
going
to
happen?
They've
been
intimidated
and
so
to
sit
there
and
try
to
act
like
you
guys
are
trying
to
act
like
this
morning.
What
we're
trying
to
do
something
you're
trying
to
act
like
you're,
doing
something,
but
you
ain't
doing
nothing.
That's
the
whole
bottom
line.
You
ain't,
doing
nothing!
You're!
Just
acting
is,
if
you
want
to
do
somebody
ain't,
nothing
happening
and
if
and
with
the
unbiased
policing.
W
If
we
didn't
have
the
problem
in
the
first
place,
you
won't
have
to
have
these
rules
of
unbiased
policing.
It's
just
that
simple
is
it.
This
is
not
difficult,
and
it's
not
like
this
is
just
happening
yesterday.
This
crap
has
been
going
on
for
years.
This
is
going
on
it's
just
different
folks
around
this
table.
W
X
My
name
is
Carrie
wells,
I
reside
at
11:57,
14th
Street
place
here
in
Des,
Moines,
Iowa
and
I.
Think
the
first
thing
that
needs
to
be
done
is
I
liked.
Everybody
who's
here
about
racial
profiling
to
stand
up
that
it's
not
going
to
be
a
narc
city
anymore,
wave
your
hands,
so
the
public
can
see
how
many
of
us
are
here
about
this.
X
So
we
have
a
roomful
of
people
here
that
are
concerned,
and
perception
is
reality.
So
if
we're
perceiving
this,
then
you
know
we
feel
it's
a
reality.
Now
I
got
a
few
pictures
here
and
I'll
be
very
brief,
but
I
want
to
send
my
thanks
out
to
the
three
of
you
that
I've
seen
at
the
Human
Rights
symposium,
and
you
know
three
out
of
seven
ain't
bad,
but
it's
not
50%
I'm,
not
gonna
beat
anybody
up
over
this,
and
that's
not.
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
Now
some
of
you
may
understand
that,
but
equality
we
can
all
be
at
zero
and
we're
equal.
But
what
is
equitable
is
what
we
all
do
better.
Our
city
does
better,
and
so
we
need
to
be
concerned
about
this.
We
have
a
passion
about
graduation
rate
and
we
need
to
move
to
progress.
We
need
students
moving
to
higher
education,
not
just
graduating
and,
as
you
look
up
here,
I
think
you'll
see
one
of
those
numbers
that
we
don't
see
are
black
and
brown
folks
getting
the
higher
education.
X
X
Heard
tonight
and
I've
been
to
a
lot
of
these
meetings
about
a
passion
for
transparency
and
openness.
Well,
I
think
we
need
to
move
to
progress
and
progress
is
community
engagement.
We've
asked
about
community
boards,
we've
asked
about
having
more
input
being
more
involved
and
so
to
achieve
this
transparency
and
openness.
Community
engagement
would
be
progress
now.
I
know
this
is
a
bad
word
for
us
all.
Y
X
X
Finally,
about
moving
from
passion
to
progress.
I
hear
a
lot
of
passion
from
our
councilmembers
and
from
our
community
leaders
that
we
want
a
safer
City.
We
want
more
inspectors
and
I
think
that's
a
great
passion.
We
all
want
to
feel
safe.
I
think
this
is
what
this
racial
profiling
is
about.
It's
about
us
feeling
safe,
but
progress
would
be
more
human
and
civil
rights
workers,
because
these
are
people
issues
and
we
need
to
look
at
human
and
civil
rights
now
before
I
close
I
want
to
talk
quickly
about
perception
and
reality.
X
X
Now
take
a
good
good
long
long,
look
I'm,
not
here
to
beat
anybody
up,
but
that
don't
look
like
my
neighborhood
that
don't
look
like
my
grocery
store
that
don't
look
like
my
church
again,
I
don't
want
to
beat
anybody
up.
I
know
we're
trying
to
get
minorities
and
people
of
color
to
be
part
of
the
police
force,
but
when
every
one
of
those
officers.
X
Except
one
who
is
mixed
so
I
want
to
give
you
credit.
You've
got
a
biracial
officer,
but
this
is
what
we,
what
we
have
to
enforce
our
ordinances
in
our
laws
and
if
it
doesn't
look
like
me,
then
I
may
have
an
issue
or
a
problem
or
they
may
have
an
issue
or
a
problem
because
I
don't
look
like
them.
It's
the
lens.
Now
I
tell
everybody.
X
X
X
We
talk
about
bridging
there
Terry.
We
need
to
wrap
it
up.
What
one
minute
I
just
got
beat
one
minute
we
talked
about
bridging
the
gap.
You've
had-
and
this
actually
says,
shifting
person
percent
perspectives
and
changing
behavior
I'm,
going
to
ask
you
tonight
as
a
City
Council,
to
do
pair
of
claw
toes,
which
is
Greek
you're
here
to
be
one
who
comes
to
the
aid
of
another,
your
servants
of
righteousness.
X
We
know
what
is
right
now.
Let
us
do
what
is
right,
what
is
best
for
our
citizens,
your
character,
your
commitment,
your
intelligence,
your
volition,
be
persons
of
courage
tonight,
step
out
and
represent
this
room
full
of
people
that
are
here
about
an
issue
about
a
problem
about
a
bad
mark
on
our
city.
X
This
was
just
putting
the
face
book
by
the
city,
81
percent
of
our
city,
st.
great
I.
Think,
that's
wonderful!
What
about
the
19
percent?
We
need
to
focus
on
the
19
percent
and
I'll
guarantee
you.
If
you
start
looking
at
statistics,
19
percent
are
the
people
of
color
in
this
city.
That's
why
we're
only
getting
81
percent?
Let's
focus
on
the
19,
not
the
81.
G
Z
I'm
Russell
Louisville
I
reside
at
40
55
42nd
Street
in
Des,
Moines
I'm,
a
member
of
the
CCI,
but
I'm.
Also
the
co-chair
of
the
legal
redress
committee
for
the
n-double-a-cp
here
in
Des
Moines.
We
strongly
support
the
urgent
need
for
an
ordinance
laws,
don't
always
change
hearts
and
minds,
but
they
do
change
conduct
Harvey
mentioned
the
the
data
of
with
regard
to
Iowa
being
the
worst
in
terms
of
racial
profiling
in
2014.
Z
I'm
from
Nebraska
originally
grew
up,
Nebraska
that
same
report
ten
years
earlier
had
Nebraska
the
worst
state
in
the
nation.
With
regard
to
racial
profiling
that
black
and
white,
the
report
from
those
we
relied
upon
FBI
statistics
Nebraska
passed
an
anti
racial
profiling
statute
in
2001
that
defined
and
barred
racial
profiling
and
provided
for
data
collection
laws
make
a
difference
by
ten
years
later,
when
they
evaluated
them
on
the
standard.
Z
Nebraska
had
dropped
from
worse
than
the
nation
down
to
they
cut
their
their
racial
disparities
in
half
and
they
were
now
down
in
the
middle
of
the
pack.
Just
by
just
having
a
definition
and
data
collection,
data
collection,
I
know,
I
participated
in
community
meetings
two
or
three
years
ago
that
Rudy
Sims
chaired
and
Jerry
Torme.
Z
With
regard
to
body
cameras,
the
first
time
we
met
every
Police
Department
in
the
whole
Polk
County,
except
one,
was
against
body
cameras,
the
longer
we
met
about
it
and
they
heard
that
hey
body
cameras
can
exonerate
as
well
as
proof
of
violation
or
misconduct.
The
same
is
going
to
be
true
with
regard
to
data
collection.
All
it
takes
is
one
officer,
that's
engaging
in
racial
profiling
once
a
day,
a
rogue
officer,
probably
that's
250
racial
profiling
instances
over
the
course
of
a
year.
Z
We
need
to
identify
those
data
collection
can
go
a
long
ways
to
identify
where
those
problem,
whether
it's
a
matter
just
re-education
or
in
fact
further
discipline
or
even
discharge
data
collection,
makes
a
real
difference.
It's
a
really
important
part
of
this.
You
need
to
have
a
law
that
both
prohibits,
defines
defines
what
racial
profiling
is
not.
It
provides
for
independent
enforcement
with,
say
the
Des
Moines,
Human,
Rights,
Commission
and
then
you'll
have
the
complaints
come
forward.
Z
Z
There
is
some
distinctions
here
and
in
in
the
legislation
that
we
drafted
at
the
night
at
the
state
level,
makes
it
and
we
work,
but
we
met
with
Chief
Wingert
and
the
Des
Moines
Department
on
two
different
occasions
for
an
hour
each
and
went
over
that
legislation
and
if
you
go
back
and
look
at
the
original
US
Supreme
Court
decision
written
by
Justice
Scalia
in
1997
that
approves
pretextual
stops.
The
last
paragraph
of
that
decision
says
that
that
doesn't
mean
we
could
prove
racially
discriminatory
protection
stops.
Those
are
unconstitutional.
Z
Racially
discriminatory
pretextual
stop
is
unconstitutional
and
we
went
through
it
if
an
time
I
go
through
the
same
hypothetical
that
the
chief
gave
me
in
terms
of
the
red
pickup
truck
on
the
south
side,
but
there
is
a
difference
between
a
racially
discriminatory
pretextual.
Stop
you've
got
to
address
that
we
have
pending
litigation
in
the
Iowa
Supreme
Court
as
we
speak.
That
was
argued
back
in
September,
in
which
there
is
an
argument.
Z
With
regard
to
white
folks
as
well,
but
at
least
at
this
point
the
compromise
has
to
include
a
bar
on
racially
discriminatory
pretextual
stops,
and
it's
important
to
understand
that,
even
if
the
US
Supreme
Court
held
that
pretextual
stops
are
unconstitutional,
we
and
Iowa
can
do
better
than
that
under
our
Constitution,
and
we
could
do
better
at
in
terms
of
laws
that
that's
the
minimum
floor.
That's
the
bare
minimum.
We
can
do
better
than
that
and
we
must
do
better
than
that.
Z
So
finally,
I'm
pleased
to
see
on
your
agenda
for
may
6
the
incentives
with
regard
to
officers
living
in
the
community
and
I
know
every
time.
I
have
this
conversation
with
police
I
mean
we
we
we
want
to
be.
If
we
believe
in
community
policing,
oftentimes
they'll
fall
with
a
sense.
We
don't
want
to
look
like
an
occupying
force.
Z
Well,
what
do
you
think
you
look
like
what
80%
of
the
police
officers
in
Des
Moines?
Don't
live
in
the
city
of
Des
Moines,
the
police
like
any
other,
but
they
need
to
be
stakeholders.
You
know
they've
got
to
have
a
vested
interest
in
this
community
that
they
want
to
make
they
want
to
make
it
better.
Their
kids
go
to
the
same
schools
and
the
churches,
and
so
on.
You
will
reduce
I,
mean
I
believe
in
implicit
bias.
Z
Training,
that's
important,
but
believe
me
I,
believe
a
lot
more
in
terms
of
people
living
in
the
community
getting
to
know
their
neighbors
to
getting
to
understand
the
cultures.
You
know
and
I
know
the
Chiefs,
but
working
on
having
officers
come
in
and
have
a
cup
of
coffee.
Well,
that's
fine,
but
that's
not
the
same,
and
so
that's
that's
something
you
need
to
deal
with
really
seriously
and
at
some
point
at
some
point.
I
hope
you
and
other
municipalities
will
get
behind
and
get
the
statute
in
Iowa
rescinded.
Z
That
takes
away
the
discretion
to
say,
hey
if
you
want
to
work
in
Des
Moines
for
the
police
department
you're
going
to
you
need
to
live
in
the
City
of
Des
Moines.
If
you
want
to
live
in
West
Des
Moines,
you
can
get
a
job
with
the
West
Des
Moines
police
department,
but
we're
entitled
to
have
officers
who
have
a
stake
in
this
community
before
they
get
to
keep
a
job.
Thank
you
very
much.
AA
I'm
Betty
Andrews,
president
of
the
Iowa
n-double-a-cp
I'm
Polk
County
resident
living
at
86.
Excuse
me
what
is
my
address?
80
723
Oakdale
in
Johnston
I
am
a
business
owner
at
1620,
Pleasant,
Street
and
I
know
that
time
is
short,
so
I
won't
be
before
you
long,
but
I
hope
that
what
I
have
to
have
to
say
is
heartfelt
and
strong.
AA
My
remark
is
policy
is
not
enough.
A
simple
Google
check
led
me
to
several
distinctions
between
policy
and
laws,
or
ordinances
and
I
just
wanted
for
the
sake
of
time.
Read
one
and
it
says
a
policy
outlines
what
government
hopes
to
achieve
hopes
to
achieve
and
the
methods,
principles
and
practices
that
it
hopes
to
use
to
achieve
them.
It
states
the
goals
of
government.
A
policy
document
is
not
a
law
but
will
often
identify
new
possibilities
of
law.
AA
AA
We
want
something
that
holds
our
government
accountable
at
the
highest
level
possible.
The
n-double-a-cp
back
in
2013,
through
our
Iowa
summit
on
justice
and
disparities,
I
brought
in
our
national
criminal
justice
chair
introducing
information
from
a
booklet
called
the
born
suspect,
which
had
a
template
for
laws
in
which
they
were
working
in
that
in
that
booklet.
At
that
time,
it
said
over
31
states
nationally
have
racial
profiling
legislation,
and
we
also
know
that
several
cities
have
it
also
right
here.
AA
In
Iowa,
the
n-double-a-cp
has
begun
the
process
of
working
with
cities
and
municipalities
across
the
state.
We
have
had
success
with
University
Heights,
which
is
right
outside
of
Iowa
City,
and
we
continue
to
work
on
this,
and
what
I'm
saying
to
you
is
I
know
that
the
proposals
that
you've
seen
that
you
saw
in
November
we're
strongly
based
on
the
some
of
that
legislation.
So
there
is
national.
There
is
local.
There
is
a
ton
of
expertise
that
has
gone
into
this
legislation
or
the
request
for
these
ordinances,
and
so
we
are
here
to
say
again.
AA
AA
See
that
we're
up
today,
you're
dealing
with
no
noise
ordinances,
traffic
ordinances,
someone
mentioned
ordinances
around
pets
and
things
like
that
policy
is
not
enough,
because,
if
you're
dealing
with
ordinances
on
those
levels,
what
does
a
life
mean
to
you?
Because
not
only
not
only
are
we
being
and
I
should
say
we
because
african-americans
are
being
stopped,
they're
also
being
searched
at
a
disproportionate
rate.
N
My
name
is
Mathew
passive
at
12:45,
70,
Street
I
get
CH
very
easy,
so
bear
with
me:
I
am
a
student
D,
Mac
I'm,
also
a
full-time
employee
at
Wells
Fargo
at
Wells
Fargo.
If
I
am
found
to
discriminate
instantly
based
on
their
race,
their
sex
or
their
age,
I
will
be
subject
to
disagreement
to
disciplinary
action
up
to
and
including
termination
we're
gonna
call.
Sir
answering
phones.
I
would
like
the
same
level
of
strictness
that
I'm
septa
to
have
my
job
be
applied
to
the
police.
It
any
means
necessary.
A
All
right,
it
looks
like
that's
our
last
speaker
for
this
evening
again,
I
want
to
thank
each
and
every
one
of
you
for
staying
engaged,
I.
Think
again,
as
was
pointed
out,
it's
progress
was
made
when
we
work
together
to
try
to
find
these
solutions.
We,
as
was
pointed
out,
have
been
working
with
citizens,
obviously
through
our
bridging
the
gap
process,
which
engaged
now
nearly
800
of
our
citizens,
who
gave
us
lots
of
input
in
regarding
issues,
and
we
are
trying
to
be
solution
based
on
that
work.
A
Based
upon
what
was
said
here
tonight,
I
think
we
ought
to
refer
that
to
our
city
manager
and
in
City
Attorney,
to
come
back
with
a
recommendation
on
the
request
here
from
the
citizens
regarding
a
an
ordinance
and
and
compare
that
with
what
we
have
and
we'll
see
what
we
can
do
to
move
forward
on
that
I'll.
Ask
our
council
members
that
they
have
any
comments.
They'd
like
me,.
G
G
You
know,
that's
that's
not
quite
possible,
but
I
appreciate
you
trying
to
help
me
understand
what
it
is
like
to
walk
in
their
shoes
and
I,
get
I
get
you're
passionate
about
this
I
get
and
I
think
it's
important
that
you
push
us,
because
we
do
need
to
hear
from
everyone
in
our
community
and
we
need
to
understand
what
people's
experiences
are
like
in
our
community
and
we
do
know.
We
do
know
that
there
are
very
different
worlds
in
close
proximity
in
Des.
Moines
I
want
to
talk
about
a
couple
of
other
things.
G
G
You
know
I've
been
on
this
council
a
little
over
a
year
and
it
sometimes
seems,
like
things
are
going
slow
from
my
perspective
and
being
on
the
council,
where
maybe
a
little
more
used
to
things
going
slow,
so
I
also
get
get
that
folks
want
a
more
immediate
action,
but
I
do
want
to
point
out
some
of
the
progress
that
we've
started
to
make
and
that
was
reflected
in
the
discussion
this
morning.
I
mean
we
are.
G
You
know
the
information
cards
that
the
the
department
is
going
to
be
passing
out.
We're
making
progress
there
the
fact
that
we're
looking
at
housing,
incentives
to
encourage
officers
and
other
employees-
that
is
progress
and
part
of
all
of
these
things
happening.
It's
the
conversations
that
bridging
the
gap
helped
have
it's
the
conversations
that
the
folks
at
CCI
helped
organize
we've
just
because
we're
making
some
progress
does
not
mean
we're
done.
It
does
not
mean
we
don't
have
more
work
to
do.
G
We
didn't
cover
every
on
the
list
in
the
work
session
this
morning
and
I
hope
that
we
will
have
another
work
session
to
get
to
the
remaining
items
sometime
soon.
I
want
to.
Let
folks
know,
because
I
think
it's
important
where
we're
on
that
on.
At
least
some
of
these
things,
I
do
support
putting
our
current
policy,
our
unbiased
policing
policy
into
ordinance,
I.
G
G
Think
we
have
an
opportunity
right
now
as
we're
looking
at
our
information
technology,
so
I'd
like
us
to
continue
that
conversation
and
to
make
progress
on
what
kind
of
data
we
collect
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
look
forward
to
talking
about,
because
we
didn't
get
to
this
I
think
we
need
to
do
more
on
marijuana,
possession
and
I
know
it's
not
just
a
city
issue.
We
should
be
looking
at
decriminalizing
marijuana,
possession.
G
At
the
state
and
federal
level,
but
I
do
think
we
have
a
role
until
that
happens,
that
we
have
a
role
that
we
can
play
at
the
city
level
and
the
chief
we're
going
to
have
that
conversation.
I
want
to
continue
having
that
conversation
and
just
want
to
be
clear
about
where
I'm
at
I'm
committed
to
continuing
conversation
with
members
of
the
community
and
to
working
constructively
with
Mike
colleagues
to
try
and
make
as
much
progress
as
we
can.
N
E
E
You
know
our
inclusiveness
and
commitment
to
to
people
of
our
community
to
just
the
police
department.
That's
that's
number
one,
and,
and
so
as
we
refer
it
I
guess,
your
motion
will
be
Connie.
I
hope
that
we
consider
that
and
that
that
we
broaden
what
we
do
that
beyond
the
police
department,
because
I
want
to
ensure
that
all
the
public
services
that
the
city
provides
operate
with
the
same
commitment
to
being
unbiased
and
equally
applied.
E
I
personally
hope
that
the
recommendation
doesn't
come
back
in
a
way
where
it's
single
vote.
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
have
strong
feelings
about
marijuana,
I'm,
probably
an
outlier
I'm,
probably
not
gonna,
vote
to
decriminalize.
It
I
appreciate
the
efforts
that
I
understand
are
underway
at
the
state
to
change
it
from
a
serious
misdemeanor
to
a
simple
misdemeanor
I.
E
Think
our
police
chief
saw
our
reaction
to
that
idea
today
and
he's
never
registered
opposed
to
that
as
a
police,
chief
and
I
hope
that
continues
to
be
the
you
know
the
position
of
the
city.
It
does
need
to
make
more
sense,
but
I'm
not
I,
don't
want
a
blanket
ordinance
to
come
back
because
I
don't
want
to
vote
against
what
comes
forward
because
of
one
plank
of
it.
F
G
F
A
S
AA
AA
Can
can
I
just
say,
though,
and
with
all
due
respect
to
Council
kommen
I,
just
really
want
us
to
be
clear
that
we're
looking
for
racial
profiling
and
anti
racial
profiling,
ordinance
and
I
understand
that
there
may
be
some
things
that
could
work
with
that
and
in
terms
of
city
employees
and
things
like
that.
But
what
I
don't
want
to
happen
is
for
us
to
get
bogged
down
and
kind
of
figuring
out
how
those
works,
and
then
we
lose
that
linear
piece
where
we
get
this
piece.
A
K
Q
AB
A
G
G
So
so
this
item
has
been
in
an
ongoing
issue
in
the
Third
Ward
and
it's
relative
to
the
floor.
Drive
reconstruction
that
we'll
be
starting
this
spring
and
it
has
been
a
priority
not
just
made
by
a
number
of
the
neighbors
who
live
north
south
east
and
west
of
floor
drive
to
make
this
a
complete
Street
and
a
more
accessible
Street,
where
we
were
initially
scheduled
to
have
a
vote
on
on
that
today.
It
was
notice
appropriately
and
and
those
items
were
made.
G
G
We've
got
that
down
significantly
to
the
point
that
the
folks
at
Wakanda
were
willing
to
work
with
us
on
this
and
to
move
forward
and
we've
gotten
agreement
with
them
that
that
we
can
ratify.
If
we
move
forward
with
the
stretch
of
sidewalk,
the
stretch
of
sidewalk
provides
vital
connectivity
and
safety
to
anyone
who
wants
to
go
from
the
South
Watrous
neighborhood,
all
the
way
to
Gray's
lake.
It
provides
that
connectivity.
G
It
provides
connectivity
for
people
who
live
in
the
Grays
Lake
neighborhood,
who
want
to
go
to
the
grocery
store
to
the
movie
theater
and
a
number
of
other
shopping
locations
along
floor.
It's
in
my
mind,
one
of
the
most
important
things
that
we
could
be
investing
in
the
safety
of
our
residents
and
creating
a
more
accessible
city
and
I
know,
there's
some
concern
about
expense
and
that
it's
more
expensive
than
other
parts
of
sidewalk.
G
But
we
shouldn't
connectivity
should
not
be
contingent
on
the
fact
that
there's
a
fence
in
the
way-
and
it
makes
it
a
little
more
expensive.
Your
access
to
this
community
would
all
of
a
sudden,
become
wim2.
What
your
neighbor
chooses
to
install.
If
we're
going
to
make
a
policy
that
we're
not
going
to
not
going
to
install
sidewalks,
because
we
have
to
pay
a
little
bit
more
core
a
fence
or
some
landscaping.
G
There
are
lots
of
items
and
I'll
find
one
in
my
ward,
that
was
even
on
the
agenda
tonight
that
we
could
delay
to
make
up
the
cost
difference
and
that's
you
know
we're
willing
to
spend
two
hundred
thirty
thousand
dollars
to
replace
the
replace
the
rails
on
the
Riverwalk,
the
historic
rails.
Those
have
been
in
that
condition
the
ballast
rates.
Thank
you
for
four
years.
That
would
make
up
the
difference
in
cost
between
this
in
a
normal
sidewalk.
G
G
It's
way
more
important
for
the
safety
of
our
residents
and
for
the
accessibility
of
our
community
to
invest
in
that
stretch
of
sidewalk,
and
so
I
would
like
to
and
I'm
going
to
ask
this
the
city
attorney.
If
we
can
do
that,
since
it's
been
noticed,
I
would
like
us
to
vote
on
13
and
13
a
even
though
they
were
pulled
I'd
like
us
to
vote
on
that
and
I.
AC
Q
AC
And
assuming
that
the
motion
to
reconsider
would
pass,
then
it
would
be
appropriate
to
add
back
13
and
13
a
and
once
those
are
added
back
then
I'm
being
motion
to
approve.
So
we
really
have
three
different
votes,
but
the
the
motion
really
was
unanimous,
so
that
would
be
the
best
procedural
way
to
do
it.
Okay,
okay,.
A
AD
I
thought
what
a
shame
it
is
that
the
flowers
are
nice,
that
the
surroundings
are
nice,
that
the
roads,
a
mess
and
so
I
was
really
happy
to
know
that
there
was
going
to
be
a
project,
but
whenever
I
saw
that
the
sidewalk
was
not
going
to
be
contiguous,
I
couldn't
in
good
conscience,
vote
to
to
approve
the
plans.
I'm.
Also
the
chair
of
the
central
Iowa
Center
for
Independent
Living,
and
we
are
the
largest
Center
for
independent
living
in
the
state.
We
serve
people
with
disabilities
in
a
number
of
counties.
AD
Adjoining
us
and
I'm
speaking
from
that
capacity
and
from
someone
who
travels
on
to
work
every
single
day,
that's
my
neighborhood
and
I
love
it
over
there.
It
was
interesting
to
me
to
hear
a
lot
of
conversation
about
how
we
need
to
make
this
part
of
I
of
Des
Moines
nice
and
make
sure
that
that
sidewalk
is
working
and
and
and
everybody
has
access
to
what
they
need
and
that's
why
I
love
Des
Moines,
but
you
know
I,
it's
it's
befuddling
to
me
to
think
that
that
one
section
it
doesn't
that
accessibility
doesn't
matter
there.
AD
AE
AD
An
ad
a
consultant
for
a
number
of
years
and
I
know
that,
given
the
type
of
thoroughfare
that
is,
you
don't
have
to
put
a
sidewalk
there,
but
just
because
you
can
doesn't
mean
that
you
should
sidewalks
are
important
to
people
with
disabilities
and
throughout
our
our
history.
As
advocates
and
the
Independent
Living
movement
and
disability
rights
movement,
we've
done
a
lot
of
radical
things
to
make
sure
that
we
have
access
to
sidewalks
over
the
years
and
I
hope
that
we
never
have
to
go
back
to
that.
AD
But,
aside
from
that,
sidewalks
create
community
and
as
councilman
Mandelbaum
mentioned,
this
sidewalk
links
apartments
and
housing
where
folks
may
or
may
not
have
access
to
a
car
to
grocery
stores,
dining
a
drugstore
movies,
churches,
daycare,
centers,
public
transportation
and
so
much
more.
And
this
isn't
just
about
people
with
disabilities.
It's
about
young
families
with
strollers
and
children
who
are
learning
to
ride
their
bikes.
It's
important
in
making
Des
Moines
a
cluster
of
visible
communities
and
walkable
communities.
AD
I
hear
that
all
the
time
about
how
important
it
is-
and
those
are
things
that
may
I'm
Des
Moines
attractive
to
young
families
and
to
folks
who
want
to
come
here
and
live
I,
don't
see
this
as
a
sidewalk
is's
issue,
I
see
it
as
a
social
justice
issue
and
I
do
urge
you
to
include
sidewalks
in
every
segment
of
the
Florrick
construction
project.
Thanks.
AF
Hello,
Evan
Shaw,
26:15,
Druid,
Hill,
Drive
and
I'm.
Also
a
member
of
the
Grayslake
Neighborhood
Association
board
I'm
a
little
miffed
that
I
have
to
be
here
again
to
talk
about
this
project
and
the
importance
of
it
with
the
council.
I
just
like
to
reiterate
that
you
know
the
neighborhood
is
vastly
supportive
of
the
project
and
our
expectation
is
that
we
will
get
a
sidewalk
along
floor
Drive.
AF
We
do
believe
that
this
is
a
highly
critical.
You
know
important
piece
to
the
success
of
our
neighborhood.
It's
going
to
link
a
lot
of
very
vital
and
important
elements
and
help
connect
the
neighborhood
make
it
a
much
more
vital
and
better
place
to
live,
but
really
what
I'm
mostly
concerned
about
is
the
safety
aspect.
Fleur
Drive
is
a
very,
very
fast
street,
as
I'm
sure
you're
all
aware.
AF
Q
AF
H
AF
What's
the
correct
word,
you'd
have
to
have
a
lot
of
the
citizens
like
personally
sign
off
on
that,
and
we
were
able
to
get
them
to
agree
to
do
a
lot
of
the
streetscape
improvements,
but
we
couldn't
get
enough
agreement
on
the
sidewalk
at
that
particular
time.
Okay,
but
believe
me,
we
would
really
want
that
to
happen.
I
think.
H
AF
AG
AG
We
were
proud
to
be
part
of
that
effort
and
be,
as
we
talked
about
at
the
time
and
now
subsequently
about
how
can
we
make
Des
Moines
more
livable,
more
walkable,
more
safe,
and
this
is
a
project
that
has
been
discussed
for
by
my
recollection
I'm,
further
distance
from
other
people
in
our
office
to
this
for
about
a
year
and
I
came
here
under
the
auspices
that
I
thought
be
watching.
Item
13
pass
thoughtful
acceptance
of
real
estate
documents
regarding
this
project.
AG
So
it's
a
bit
of
surprised
and
disappointing
here
that
that's
not
an
item
being
discussed
today,
so
I'm
here
to
I
guess
express
some
disappointment
and
seek
some
clarity
on
what
is
going
on
with
this
project.
You
know
anytime,
you,
you
have
these
projects
to
make
our
streets
more
livable
and
safe.
There's
a
there's
going
to
be
a
cost
associated,
and
this
is
a
project.
That's
been
working
discussions
for
a
lengthy
period
of
time.
My
question
is
the
things
that
are
newer.
AG
Is
it
going
to
be
any
easier
to
do
things
that
are
that
are
new
and
not
even
on
the
table?
So
we
think
whether
this
is
the
as
more
important
than
other
projects.
It's
not
certainly
less
important,
whether
you're
someone,
you
know
who
drives
down
that
street
as
I
just
did
to
drive
something
off
the
airport.
You
see
people
walking
on
that's
on
the
grass
families,
so
I,
really
seeking
clarity
and
asking
questions
on
on
you
know
kind
of.
Where
is
this?
What's
the
next
step
to
keep
this
project
moving
forward
and
that's
on
here?
AH
AH
And
so
you
know,
we've
been
checking
and
making
sure
that
some
of
those
projects
that
are
important
to
getting
Complete
Streets
are
going
through
the
process
and
had
a
lot
of
our
coalition
partners
that
were
committed
to
come
tonight.
They
were
going
to
watch
the
vote.
Unfortunately,
we
got
taken
off
the
last
minute
and
so
some
of
those
members
weren't
able
to
stay
and
speak,
but
if
they
were
here,
they
would
say
you
know
they
all
were
supportive
of
a
local
option
sales
tax.
So
we
can
get
some
of
these
projects
moving
and
implemented.
AH
AH
Getting
more
people
access,
people
like
Maddie,
Okoye
kind
of
helped
get
involved
in
this
process
and
Maddie
has
been
a
huge
supporter
she's
now
a
part
of
the
disabilities
Council
I,
don't
know
if
it's
completely
official
yet,
but
the
City
of
Des
Moines
but
Maddie
is
been
a
huge
part
of
this
and
I
think
you
know
when
I
think
of
her
when
I
think
of
other
stroke
and
heart
patients
and
access
I
know
that
stretch
of
road
you
have
you,
have
a
bus,
stop
there
of
not
for
sure
and
having
people
like
Maddie
need
to
have
access
to.
AH
AE
I
just
I'm
very
shocked.
You
know
that
they
got
pushed
my
point
of
view
and
it's
always
going
to
be.
This
way
is
transportation.
Sidewalk
safety
I
when
I
was
driving
down
here,
come
as
the
city
I
was
shocked
that
there
weren't
two
sidewalks
on
both
sides.
The
street
I
took
MLK
one
day
to
go
to
wherever
it's
going
and
there
were
no
sidewalks
and
I
was
shocked.
I'm
like
I,
had
to
walk
fast
to
get
to
the
other
side
of
this.
AE
From
my
point
of
view,
one
day
when
I'm
by
myself,
something's
dangerous
that
happened
and
I
won't
know
what
to
do
because
of
the
sidewalks
I
live
in
back
6220
in
Southeast
second
end
point
and
we
don't
have
a
sidewalk
on
my
street
and
I
hear
at
night
when
I
go
to
bed,
people
driving
and
stop
and
really
fast
and
there's
a
dip
on
our
seat
and
I
hope.
One
of
the
days
I
think
it's
dark
out
and
I
could
work,
but
I
don't
get
hit
because
we
don't
have
a
sidewalk
on
the
street.
AE
E
Thanks
everybody
for
coming
down-
and
this
has
been
a
very
debated
issue
among
us,
as
counsel
not
just
flew
her
but
sidewalks
overall
and
at
our
last
at
our
last,
whatever
all
day
long
workshop
strategic
planning
session,
we
talked
about
the
goals
of
the
city.
It
shouldn't
make
any
surprise
to
anybody,
because
last
May,
seventh,
we
we
took
this
issue
up
and
we
talked
about
it.
We
authorized
the
manager
and
I
voted
for
it
that
that
he
would
have
our
authorization
to
go,
spend
$25,000
to
go,
buy
it.
E
G
AG
E
Is
is
just
taking
money
away
from
other
priorities
and
as
a
council,
we
said
that
our
priority
is
going
to
be:
let's
get
a
sidewalk
on
one
side
of
the
road
as
many
places
as
we
can
before.
We
return
and
put
a
sidewalk
on
the
other
side
of
the
road
and
in
this
case,
I
would
do
whatever
it
took
to
put
a
sidewalk
on
one
side
of
floor.
E
We're
already
doing
that
and
we're
doing
it
on
the,
where
there's
a
lot
of
traffic,
more
residential
right,
abutting,
the
the
the
floor,
drive,
road
and,
and
so
I'm
I'm
gonna,
stay
true
to
what
I
said
last
May
that
there's
a
limit
to
what
I'm
willing
to
pay
the
Wakanda
Club
to
buy
property
from
them
and
which,
by
the
way,
is
five
times
the
cost
of
all
the
land
on
the
west
side
of
the
road
and
that's
twice
as
much
area
with
many
more
property
owners
more
complicated.
As.
G
A
point
of
order,
I
mean
one
of
the
things
that
the
Wakanda
transaction
did
is
Wakanda
included.
Rather
than
have
the
city
reconstruct
the
fence
and
the
city
reconstruct
the
landscaping.
The
price
included,
those
items
which
we
knew
we're
going
to
be
significant,
so
you're,
adding
something
that
now.
E
Take
that
80,000
away,
it's
still
it's
still
four
times
the
cost
of
the
west
side
of
Fluer
and
and
I
do
believe,
and
if
I
didn't
believe
this
I
I
would
never
have
the
position.
I
did
I
know.
There's
people
walking
on
the
east
side
of
floor
I
think
that's
primarily
because
that's
flatter,
as
it
stands
right
now
than
the
west
side
the
floor.
When
there's
a
sidewalk
and
traffic
signals,
I
think
people
will
choose
to
walk
on
the
west
side
of
Fluer
and
that
will
alleviate
the
real
safety
concern
that
I
have
right.
E
E
I
tried
to
be
straight
last:
May,
7th
and
and
and
my
mind,
really
hasn't
changed
much
and
but
it
I
I
appreciate
it
like,
like
we
said
in
our
strategic
plan
I'd,
be
you
only
to
come
back
and
address
this
when
we
get
to
the
other
high
priority
school
safety
routes,
which
is,
which
is
the
policy
I?
Think
we
set
that
day,
okay,
Joe
and
then
kind
of
sure.
H
Mr.
mayor,
thank
you
and
thank
you
all
for
coming.
I,
truly
appreciate
it
and
I've
probably
been
one
of
the
biggest
advocates
of
sidewalks
since
I've
been
elected
and
in
walkability
Maddie.
When
you
lived
on
Thornton
on
on
Rose,
you
got
a
sidewalk
the
other
day,
I
seen
you
driving
down
an
Army
Post
Road,
going
to
the
Y
when
I
was
when
I
was
driving.
You
were
on
the
sidewalk,
but
I
knew
you
didn't.
Have
a
sidewalk
and
I
told
my
wife.
H
We
need
to
get
Maddie
a
sidewalk
and
you
helped
us
get
some
funding
by
advocating
for
local
option
sales
tax.
But
by
saying
that
does
it
mean
we
have
an
unlimited
checkbook
now
and
we
get
to
just
do
whatever
project
and
it
doesn't
matter
if
it
cost.
You
know
for
1900
lineal
feet,
we're
gonna
pay
over
five
hundred
thousand
dollars.
I
told
my
brother
he's
an
engineer.
He
goes.
What
are
you
making
it
20
inches
deep
I
mean
that's
how
much
money
we're
going
to
spend
on
that.
H
But
it's
not
just
about
the
money
it's
about
being
safe.
We
can
do
that
on
the
other
side
of
the
street.
Many
many
of
the
people
that
are
using
that
sidewalk
are
coming
from
those
apartments
that
are
near
the
old
aib
they're,
walking
up
to
the
Price
Chopper
they're,
walking
up
to
Jimmy
John's
they're
walking
up
to
QT.
H
Our
original
plan
was
always
to
have
it
from
laura's
to
the
bus
to
the
bus,
stop
on
the
east
side
of
the
street,
where
we
have
plenty
of
ride
away
and
we
can
set
it
back,
so
the
sidewalks
not
going
to
be
on
top
of
the
street,
like
it's
gonna,
be
between
the
fence
and
the
curb
where,
after
the
entrance
down
to
Park
Avenue
that
is
not
safe,
then
you've
got
a
big
retaining
wall.
That's
all
that's
there!
H
That's
gonna
need
to
be
rebuilt,
and
it's
just
that
area
is
not
safe
and
that's
probably
why
it
hasn't
ever
at
a
sidewalk
for
150
years.
But
you
know
what
we're
gonna
put
a
sidewalk
on
at
least
one
side
of
the
road
and
that's
our
goal.
We
talked
about
it.
We
you
know
once
in
20
years,
when
we
come
back
and
we
say:
okay,
now,
we've
used
up
all
of
our
60
million
dollars
over
the
next
20
years.
To
do
sidewalks
we're
gonna
spend
60
million
dollars.
H
H
We
can
reopen
it
up
and
if
it
passes
it
passes,
that's
fine
but
I'm
not
going
to
use
taxpayer
dollars
like
that.
I'm
not
going
to
use
my
dollars
that
I
pay
for
tax
dollars,
like
that,
but
I
am
going
to
I,
am
going
to
use
it
to
at
least
build
it
on
one
side
of
the
street,
because
that's
what
I
feel
like
we
need
to
do
for
right
now.
So
I.
G
Mean
I
have
a
just
a
question
or
point
of
order
because
and
I
mean
there
was
a
sidewalk
added
on
30th
Street
from
Boston
to
Urbandale
in
2017,
we're
looking
at
1900
feet
of
sidewalk
here
and
I
wasn't
on
the
council
in
2017.
But
a
lot
of
the
folks
who
are
here
were
on
the
council
in
2017
and
we
spent
$200,000
just
shy
of
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
770
feet.
H
About
the
cost,
Joss
and
I've
said
that
and
I've
said
this
to
you
privately
and
I'll,
say
it
publicly
that
Sidewalk
is
going
be
too
close
to
the
street
and
the
retaining
wall,
and
you
got
golfers
that
are
hitting
golf
balls
off
a
tee
box
right
next
to
it.
We
it
is
not
safe
to
have
it
there.
We
could
open
it
up,
we
can
vote
on
it
and
in
I
mean
if
it
if
it
passes
it
passes,
you're,
not
gonna
change
my
mind.
You
haven't
debate.
A
F
Guess
that
just
is
so
contrary
what
I
was
also
surprised
that
it
was
not
on
our
agenda
to
vote
on,
because
our
whole
thing
of
the
sales
tax
was
connectivity,
we're
tearing
up
a
road
where
you
can
do
it
the
cheapest?
You
can
probably
do
it
now,
then
you'll
ever
do
it
again.
So
you're
gonna
come
back
in
20
years.
It's
a
very
highly
used
Road
by
travelers,
walking,
obviously
and
I
understand,
then
go
down
the
other
side.
F
F
I'm
just
saying
the
mission
of
what
we
thought
we
were
doing
with
the
sales
tax
was
to
make
more
connectivity,
we're
tearing
up
the
road
and
where
we're
going
to
do
major
road
construction.
We're
gonna,
put
sidewalks
in
for
that
purpose
is
alone,
and
the
fact
that
it's
the
number
one
street,
almost
in
Des
Moines
I,
think
we
should
have
sidewalks
on
both
sides.
O
C
C
I
would
like
to
know
that
and
and
what's
the
cost
to
build
it
on
the
on
the
west
side
of
the
street,
as
opposed
to
the
east
side
of
the
Street
and
and
I
I
know
that
we
had
some
discussion
with
I've
seen
some
letters
from
the
park
floor.
Condominiums,
who
said
you
know
we
just
really
have
a
problem
with
getting
sidewalks
along
there.
Are
we
not
going
to
build
sidewalks
there,
but
we
would
have
it
on
the
other
side
of
the
street
know.
A
Next
well,
I
think
part
of
what
was
suggested
here
in
it's,
because
it's
a
a
an
add-on
to
the
construction
project.
That's
going
on
in
Connie's
point
I
think
is
if,
if
we're
gonna,
do
it
on
this
side
of
the
street
now's
the
time
to
do
it
because
we're
gonna
tear
that
line
up
we're
gonna
have
everything
all
ready
to
go
and
if
we're
putting
the
sidewalk
in
probably
now
is
the
time
to
do
it.
In
on
on
that
side,
there
is
is
was
pointed
out,
I
sort
of
a
cowpath.
A
It
goes
up
that
side
of
the
street.
There
is
a
bus
stop
over
there
and
people
come
from
a
variety
of
different
places,
not
only
to
go
there,
but
ultimately
they
have
to
cross
the
street
yep
even
they're,
on
the
west
side
to
get
to
the
grocery
stores,
because
some
of
them
don't
drive
going
up
there,
they
walk
is.
A
A
C
I
I,
I
I'm-
probably
not
going
to
support
it
tonight,
just
because
I
want
more
information
and,
in
the
meantime,
I
hope
that
we
can
take
care
of
some
other
things.
I
know
in
my
ward.
You
know:
we've
got
a
huge
issue
in
one
of
the
neighborhoods
and
we're
still
waiting
to
get
some
resolution
to
that
and
I'm
just
hesitant
to
say:
okay
I
approved
$500,000
for
1,900
square
feet.
What
that
would
do
what
it.
H
C
J
Just
a
clarification,
Josh
30
streets,
a
completely
different
project,
those
are
10
foot
wide
lanes,
one
of
the
smallest
streets
in
Des,
Moines,
no
sidewalks
on
either
side.
We've
got
the
Easter
Seals
Society.
On
the
south
end,
we
got
the
VA
hospital
on
the
north
end.
There's
people
in
wheelchairs
going
up
and
down
that
street,
because
there
was
nothing
and
then
I'm
dad
to
it.
We've
got
kids
that
are
living
it
at
30th
and
Douglas
that
have
to
go
to
Monroe
school
walking
in
the
street
so
way
different
comparison
there.
J
Well
that
and
I
pushed
that
through,
because
it
made
the
most
sense
for
our
citizens
for
safety.
I
wanted
to
have
it
on
both
sides.
Engineering
come
back
and
said:
nope
can't
do
it
there
and
it
probably
never
will
be
a
street
on
the
other
side,
am
I,
correct,
now
yeah
yeah,
because
the
way
that
the
grounds
laid
so
that's.
E
J
And
I
can
speak
from
my
own
experiences.
You
know
I
like
to
sit
out
and
have
a
cup
of
coffee
and
read
the
paper
on
my
porch
I
have
a
sidewalk
in
front
of
my
house
across
the
street.
There
is
no
sidewalk
there's
sidewalk
to
the
west
sidewalk
to
the
east,
but
there's
that
one
block
between
47th
and
46th
that
doesn't
have
a
sidewalk
people
do
behavioral
modifications
they
work.
J
They
walk
up
to
47th,
they
walk
across
the
street,
come
down,
walk
down
my
sidewalk
and
keep
using
it
and
that's
what's
what
you
know
with
you,
get
one
side
of
the
street
I,
don't
anticipate
any
time
that
there's
going
to
be
another
side
walk
across
the
street,
but
you
know
if
we've
got
money
in
there
for
a
sidewalk
and
it
works,
we
might
never
have
a
need
to
put
one
on
the
east
side
over
by
Wakanda.
That's
I
mean
I've.
Seen
that
happen.
J
H
H
J
F
AC
H
Z
A
And
item
13
is
the
acceptance,
the
real
estate
documents
for
the
county
club
for
voluntary
acquisition,
property
interest
located
at
39,
15
fluor
drive
for
the
fluid
drivers,
reconstruction
George,
Flagg
Parkway
to
Watchers
Avenue
project
and
counselor
communication
number
19
118
under
that
is
approving
a
change
order.
Number
1
with
synergy
con
contracting
LLC
for
additional
work
on
the
floor,
drive
reconstruction
from
George,
Flagg,
Parkway,
Watchers,
Avenue,
phase,
1
northbound
lanes,
three
hundred
and
fifty
seven
thousand
four
hundred
and
nine
dollars
and
forty-five
cents
and
I'm.
G
G
This
street
is
a
street
that
should
have
sidewalks
on
both
sides
and
I'm
willing
to
forgo
that
other
project
in
the
Third
Ward
to
get
this
done
and
I'm
asking
for
your
help
to
get
this
done.
The
agreements
expire
after
tonight.
So
if
we
don't
act,
if
we're
saying
we
need
more
time,
we're
gonna
have
to
go
back
and
completely
renegotiate
things.
The
cost
could
be
higher
it's
so
if
the
cup
it
cost
is
what
is
of
concern,
the
costs
could
be
higher
if
we
do
not
act
now
so
I'm
gonna
move
just.
H
I,
don't
know
a
point
of
clarification
with
that,
because
we
always
discussed
that
we
would
have
that
we
would
put
the
sidewalk
from
Watchers
to
the
entrance
and
I
know
that
we
did
eminent
domain
and
we've
taken
land
on
Southeast
14th
to
to
do
some
signage
and
we
paid
them
to
do
that.
So
it's
went
through
court,
and
so
we
are
still
planning
on
doing
that.
H
Portion
of
it
so
I
think
that's
very
important
to
connect
the
bus
stop
to
that
area
from
Watchers
to
the
entrance
like
we
all
originally
agreed
upon
and
wanted
to
do
so.
You
would
have
to
go
back
to
the
golf
course
and
negotiate
that
portion
of
the
land
from
them,
or
we
would
just
explain
to
me
how
it
works.
I
think
I
know
how
it
works,
but
explain
to
me
well.
K
K
K
Would
be
added
to
your
ice,
they
would
do
their
appraisals,
we
would
do
ours
exactly.
We
go
through
the
whole
condemnation
process,
and
so
you
would
be
talking
about
fifty
sixty
thousand
dollars,
possibly
total
to
do
that
portion
and
there's
not
much
quiet
in
the
land.
It's
pretty
much
flat
right
through
there
and
the
existing
construction
contract
has
that
segment
being
constructed
in
it.
So
you
would
not
be
adding
right
any
cost
on
the
construct
that
I
said.
Okay,
so.
H
K
H
H
G
A
G
Like
I
said,
I'm
willing
to
find
I
found
two
hundred
thirty
thousand
dollars
in
the
budget
for
those
who
are
concerned
about
cost
the
folks
who
I
have
talked
to
and
I
know,
there
were
folks
from
South
Watchers
who
wanted
to
be
here.
Who
could
not
the
people
whose
doors
I
knocked
the
people
who
also
live
on
on
floor,
particularly
those
folks
that
were
already
doing
between
Park
and
Bell?
They
asked
me
when,
when
they
got
the
notice
from
engineering,
can
you
can
you
get
this
done?
G
A
S
A
A
AC
H
M
H
AI
AI
Y
E
E
I
threw
that
out
or
a
meeting
I
threw
that
out
to
Scott
I
think
there
are
two
issues:
one
is
the
new
amphitheater,
but
even
with
the
new
amphitheater,
that's
not
where
the
five
one
five
alive,
mm-hmm
it's
scheduled
to
be,
and
so
how
we
measure
it
and
from
where
is,
are
some
issues
and
as
I
understand
it.
The
city
already
has
a
meeting
set
up
with
those
three
that
are
the
primary
promoters
or
sponsors
of
the
concert
series
at
Simon
Estes,
which
are
all
at
brenton
this
year
and
next
year.
E
I
think
because
of
the
bridge
construction
and
then
and
then
a
lot
of
the
concerts
at
the
waterworks,
amphitheater
and
so
I.
He
texted
me
because
he
is,
he
is
gone,
but
I
did
hear
from
those
other
guys.
Earlier
surprised
that
we
were
voting
on
it
when
they
had
a
meeting
set
up,
I
think
for
I
want
to
say
it's
Thursday
of
this
week.
I
don't
know
three.
E
Yeah
well,
people
live
and
we
allowed
Sleepy
Hollow
a
year
ago
with
us,
yes
and
where
they
as
I
understand
it.
There
is
there's
some
debate
about
the
effectiveness
of
measuring
it.
The
noise,
where
we
have
it
depending
on
where,
like
it,
water
works,
where
the
concert
is
they're,
not
all
going
to
be
at
the
amphitheater
okay
right
well,.
E
G
A
G
A
L
G
H
H
A
All
right
amending
chapter
114
missable
code
regarding
traffic
regulation
changes
as
follows:
counsel,
communication,
number
19,
139
a
is
a
code
modification
related
to
vacation
of
East
Railroad
Avenue
between
South
East
25th
port
in
South,
East
26th,
Court
B
is
code
Corrections
to
match
field
conditions.
Woods
on
the
river
plat
9
C
is
parking
restrictions,
South,
East
18th
Street
from
Isla
Kona
to
King
Avenue
and
King
Avenue
from
South
East
18th
to
South
East
18th
court.
H
A
Item
42
and
42
ximending
chapter
118,
the
Mizpah
code
regarding
qualifying
practices
and
method
of
making
rebate
payments
and
use
of
stormwater
charges
outside
the
city
limits.
Council
communication
number
19,
115,
here's
the
final
consideration,
the
Oren's
above
the
waivers
requested
by
the
public
works
director
and
requires
six
votes.
Anybody
here
want
to
speak
to
this
item,
guarding
qualifying
practices
and
method
of
making
rebate
payments,
stormwater,
charts.
J
J
Jonathan
I
got
to
tell
you
thank
you.
So
much
for
getting
us
out
here.
I've
been
hitting
a
lot
of
the
neighborhood
meetings,
and-
and
this
is
one
of
the
hot
topics
that
people
want
to
see
and
I-
think
we're
doing
the
best
thing
that
we
possibly
can
get
them
to
get
these
people
out
of
the
swamp.
So
I'm
gonna
move,
42
and
42
a
thank
you,
yeah
yeah.
G
A
M
Hi
I'm
dr.
Michael
Welch
chip
Skywalker,
if
I
take
a
301
space
and
my
concern
is
the
Blackbird
project
across
the
way
they
had
originally
planned
on
moving
the
southeast
corner
of
7th
and
walnut
they've
just
moved
to
the
corner
of
5th
and
walnut
and
I
understand.
They
have
two
years
to
construct
their
project
out.
There
I'm
concerned
that
you're
going
to
allow
them
another
year
after
that
to
connect
the
skywalks.
My.
M
Is
that
they're
going
to
build
on
the
southeast
corner,
but
there's
no
plans
on
the
southwest
corner,
so
we're
gonna
have
a
hole
in
the
ground
for
two
years
or
I.
Guess
I
hope
for
your
input
so
means
to
me:
is
you're
gonna
tear
something
down
your
tear
down
a
half
a
block:
they're
gonna
build
on
a
quarter
of
the
block,
there's
no
plants
on
the
southwest
corner,
so
I
I
waited
this
long
to
hear
your
answers.
M
M
That
thank
you,
I
love
the
answer,
in
addition
to
there's
a
glut
of
vacant
apartment
downtown,
that's
according
to
Hubble
and
so
I'm,
guessing
I'm
asking
you
guys
right
now.
Is
this
a
great
idea
for
Des
Moines
or
just
a
half-baked,
incomplete
plan,
I'll
step
out
Lister
unless
you
grab
some
questions.
K
I
can
try
I
might
need
some
help
from
Matt,
but
so
we
do
not
have
a
development
agreement
signed
or
agreed
to
by
counsel
on
that
site.
The
discussion
has
been
two
projects.
You
may
be
aware
of
that
the
the
tower
on
the
east,
which
you
spoke
up
and
they
are
seeking
hotel
use
on
the
West
portion,
and
so
we
actually
don't
have
anything
agreed
to
at
this
point
on
the
timing
or
the
actual
users
of
the
west
property
or.
A
K
M
M
M
AJ
Going
south
materials
over
the
over
over
Walnut
Street
from
the
tower
crane,
so
I
know
that
Terry
Burke
and
his
team
are
working
with
whites
right
now
to
minimize
that
fat
disruption
so
Reid,
regardless
of
what
happens
at
the
black
Burton
kaleidoscopes
I,
and
we
will
address
that
timing
and
everything
there
and
reconnection
the
Skywalk
there
is.
I
don't
even
you
no
matter
what
we
do
with
blackbird
on
the
on
the
their
project,
a
kaleidoscope.
AJ
There's
still
going
to
be
some
disruption,
I,
don't
know
the
schedule
and
some
disruption,
the
Skywalk
system
related
to
the
existing
project
going
on
in
the
south
east
quadrants
of
that
that
intersection,
again
city
staffs
working
with
whites
right
now
and
with
blackbirds
contractor
to
minimize
that
disruption.
But
you
could
there's
no
way
to
build
to
30
30
storey
buildings
on
the
two
intersections
without
having
some
disruption
and.
O
AJ
I
believe
it's
city
ordinance
is
just
Jabby,
oh
three
years
to
reopen
a
scale
up
once
you
have
it
closed
for
any
reason
or
another,
and
and
certainly
if
black
work
and
do
their
project
in
two
years,
they're
going
to
they're
going
to
have
the
Skywalk
all
connected
it'll
be
integral
to
their
to
the
construction
of
the
project.
I
just.
AE
A
M
Okay,
thank
you.
I
understand.
It's
gonna
be
temporary
closings
from
the
Capitol
Square
to
the
clerk,
which
makes
sense
as
Justin
told
me.
You
know.
Obviously,
when
you're
swinging
steel
around
there
you're
not
gonna,
have
people
welcome
to
skywalk,
so
that
totally
makes
sense.
But
as
long
as
they
are
temporary,
you
know
if
you
don't
shut
that
thing
down
and
tell
me
we're
gonna
open
up
two
years
mm-hmm,
but
we've
been
there
30
years,
so
we
were
there
before
they've
connected
their
federal
building.